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To know you know you know is refusal of that which you do not wish to know.
You got some good flow today EnjoyB
This is good...the complexion of the Patu-paiarehe is interesting. It matches descriptions of 'ancient people'. Lemuria is the origin? Funny about that because just recently I read a description of the Atlanteans and they were described as 'dark' as in brown...Homer I believe.
hmmm, it can be an affront...but I always find my way out... :)
More mirrors than ostriches though plenty of sand and many guru's (lite showers/wayseers ) abounding la shire
There's Hawaiiki referred to as the original land by most Pacific cultures.
But there is also reference to that also being The Land of Mu. Which is considered another name for Lemuria. But these are distinctly different. Recently a 'new' continent has been more openly spoken of.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...topography.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zealandia
https://www.stuff.co.nz/science/9732...ferent-climate
So Hawaiiki is one place in modern ancient history, where as Lemuria is much older.
It seems fairly agreed upon that Hawaiiki is in fact Hawaii.
The third installation of Under the Carpet - Cousins across the Sea can fill some of that info in.
There's the legend of Maui across the pacific. And then there is also a tale of an Egyptian navigator named Maui. Rata also being another maori name, and can describe the man Kupe.
http://21sci-tech.com/articles/fall0...avigators.html
Stories of Lemuria however are indeed harder to anchor. And they are of mythical origins of people who were part ethereal beings. New Zealand does get mentioned within them of what can be found, and often is referred to as a spiritual place even then. Though, such things are not found from historical documents written down and are but sensed commentary from the clair family of intuits.
So many great phrases and words here. Maybe I'll make a little book.Quote:
clair family of intuits.
Reading more into Lemuria and Mu, there is also someone calling Mu, Pan. And that person claims Lemuria is not Mu, and claims Atlantis was North America. So much guessing in relation to this lost time. But it feels like the truth is coming closer to the surface.
There's a bit of a twist with this topic in my sight. I have just been watching a discussion on the Maori channel where young Maori talk about social issues and what it means to be Maori.
Earlier today I was talking to my father on a related topic. The racial divisions between Euro NZ (pakeha) and Maori is a bit sad really.
My way of seeing it is that the empire building British failed to conquer Maori with disease, war, or drugs, so resorted to treaty trickery. The division this has caused over the years has left echoes in which both peoples are stuck in a false view of themselves and each other.
The Maori way in which I have been relaying here over months, is to me, old human. It is not just Maori way. There are customs and rituals for sure which are the Maori way of expressing the old ways of all humanity, and some of them apply to them specially. As in it is their culture and narrative. The wisdom is pretty much the same. The legends are repeated across the pacific with a very similar language. Like a canoe in Hawaii is a Wa'a and in NZ is a Waka, and so on. There's proof of there being one big pacific family with the same stories. Underlying, the wisdom belongs to everyone.
But listening to these 20-30 something year old maori who are self aware and know their whakapapa and their reo, and identify as Maori, they still describe themselves as colonised. And they say one of the differences between Maori and Pakeha is that a Pakeha sees themselves as an individual entity, where as the Maori see them self as a part of a group. And it then goes further to identify capitalism and western ideals, consumerism, spiritual bankruptcy (in ways).. all the things we speak of here as being negative, deep state, archontic, or what have you, is labelled as being Pakeha. Which is 'sort of true' but not really eh, they are in effect labelling it as a racial thing. Putting all that is 'wrong' with the world, in the descriptor of, Pakeha, white people.
This denies Pakeha an identity really if you see what I am trying to get at. If a NZ European wants to live their life in way which is parallel to Maori considerations, then effectively, they may be seen as trying to be Maori?
The impetus is on Europeans to prove themselves as not being Pakeha? It is all terminology in ways, but describes the line in the sand drawn. All that is bad is effectively there to be blamed or labelled as Pakeha or NZ European, instead of what it really is.
American gangster culture has slipped in easy to some Maori and Pacific Islanders, and too some Europeans, but with it there is another group formed, a hybrid that doesn't know what it is to be Maori, embraces the victim hood of Black American gangster rap, and blames the white man, but they are void of any culture really, just empty vessels playing on their colour and using it as an excuse for the confusion and 'normal' youth rebellion. In which when there is a cause to blame instead of looking at self, all that gets propagated is division.
The two philosophies of the individual and the group, where each has some flaws which cut off the path back to togetherness.
In the hope to bring this back on topic, as it really is an aside, I do see this same story playing out within people's own local mythos.
In America the white man is Pahana.
I imagine there are similar dynamics though I don't know the connection to ancient pacific cultures. On the reservations white people are also referred to as Euros. Like the currency, though that wasn't the origin.
That community mentality you talk about is now being called communism and therefore evil and wrong. In this country the hatred towards communal actions is getting acute. I'm not sure how that's going to end.
It doesn't go with actual christian values and, imo, there's some serious religious karma coming.
If someone wants to live a life of community here it's possible and you don't have to take on a new identity. It's easier in the Northwest.
If you want to become involved in indian culture and societies you would need to demonstrate sincerity with work. That would involve health issues, economic issues, and government issues - as in Bureau of Indian Affairs.
I hope I stayed on point, at least somewhat.
interesting again...one of the things that I've found fascinating about Hawaii and I posted about some time back...neither Mosquitoes or snakes (not to mention car horns) are indigenous to Hawaii...talk about paradise...
Amen to that...I've been around those types here in America and my advice to them is though there is truth in their thoughts to dwell on them will destroy them.
very good stuff, Dreamtimer...you and EB are speaking my language now... :)
Ditto. We all come from different places on our planet, but I think we "speak the same language" somehow. I can only recall what happened with the Celts, which then turned into Viking warriors which has gotten a really bad rap...because they were successful to a certain degree, but they lost the war, however I can assure you that it has never been forgotten completely. Personally I remember a peaceful existence and in touch with the planet on many levels.
No mosquitoes in Hawaii?
I’ll have to inform those that bit me on Big Island, Oahu, and Kauai that they don’t exist.
I think you're right about the bad rap, Elen. I've heard that Viking was just a title for a job. Overall the people were explorers, traders, etc.
The pahana that first came was friendly and had respect for nature. I've heard stories about different peoples waiting for the return of pahana and wondering whether he would still be brother or would be enemy.
I think they got their answer...:wry::shocked:
Yep. So the choice of favourite bandwagon to project upon. Race, usually it seems, but gender or wealth or whichever poison one likes to trade in.
The lobbing of concerns from the internally discontent.
It's surrogacy.
But what is the solution. Well the second solution after identifying the existence of the personal bouncy castle.
Or the group bouncy castle... one in which the projection can be galvanised.
Well, all I can see as a next step is disengaging yourself from that partnership when you find your role.
Not abandoning, but becoming a different projection, or a non target.
The onus is in those who can see the archetypes being projected, and becoming the exceptions.
Which ought come just by being and doing, inner resolution.
Here, if the Pakeha tipped over into NOT being symbolic of others leaning posts, then I feel the Maori have the other part of the equation, and that is of forgiveness and acceptance in their role in a humanity rather than the lock down of the closed circle many seem to wish to propagate.