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modwiz
4th July 2016, 19:52
Since I am cultivating the tent to be an open conversation with a slant towards the mystical and personal I wanted to start an ongoing thread that will deal more with topical and current events in our dynamically changing world. The struggle is on and it is getting fierce. This thread will look to track this battle by using articles from around the web that bring a focus on this.

I will open with this article that appears to be written by Paul Krugman because his picture but, not his name appears on this article. Perhaps the name is not there for usage issues. The title is quite alarming, on one level. It’s time for Elites to take matters into their own hands

Here is a paragraph that lets one know where this toad is coming from:

Nobody disputes that ordinary citizens have some rights and freedoms, but just what these freedoms should be is a matter still hotly debated by social and political scholars. For instance, the right to own dangerous firearms has been granted to Americans for centuries, but with the epidemic of mass shootings in America, a large number of social experts are urging congress to retract this right, in line with most other countries. It’s also hard to deny that ‘freedom of speech’ has been abused by far-right groups and conspiracy theorists, who continue to push toxic agendas that destabilize societies and economies. Each and every one of these ‘rights’ that many take for granted, need to be reviewed and reconsidered in the context of a modern, globalized world.

Got that?

Some more:

Global leaders need to re-assert their authority and remind the general population that democratic rights are not universal or sacred. The governing structures, legal institutions and central banks that make modern democracy possible are upheld and maintained by a select group of political, social and economic experts. The rights that ordinary people enjoy are granted by those who run the political machinery, and as such may be suspended at any time for the greater good. Global leaders have a responsibility to stand in the way of populist uprisings that threaten to wipe out decades of political progress; and not to passively affirm the will of the people. What happened in Britain and what is happening in America are both a consequence of weak leadership, and it is going to take assertiveness from world leaders, not acquiescence to popular opinion, to restore the global order.

Do we see where this is going?

Now, there is some legitimacy to an uninformed and ignorant populace getting to vote, IMO. This could be partially remedied by proper unbiased reporting of events happening in countries around the world. A big view reporting that allows people to see the whole and how the parts relate dynamically. I say partially remedied because, however painful it may be to countenance, some people just do not have either the intelligence or emotional stability to integrate information in a way that would not be disruptive. However, the "weight" of a properly informed population should be able to provide the balance needed to allow misfits to vote. I want to make it clear, I believe every single voice needs to be heard, no matter how dysfunctional. Those confused voices need to know they are loved and cared for.

Now, the elites. In short, elite is about performance in service to the greater collective. Or shorter even, elite is about performance.

Here is the link to the above article which has two additional paragraphs in addition to the one above in the post. https://accreditedtimes.wordpress.com/2016/07/04/its-time-for-the-elites-to-take-matters-into-their-own-hands/?iframe=true&theme_preview=true

modwiz
4th July 2016, 20:23
Today, in the USA is the Fourth of July. Given the abdication of responsibility on the part of politicians and populace alike for the hard won freedoms the founding fathers gave to the the European people, commemorating the day is a celebration of cognitive dissonance. Here is a sample of what freedom in the USA is today.

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2016/07/01/20160704_4th1.jpg

Here is a good article on it from zero hedge but, first an except.


Do we not also live under the authority of arbitrary government? A president and Congress?

An endless conga line of bureaucrats and apparatchiks?

Sometimes, we get to vote for some of them. Our vote made effectively meaningless by the thousands – the hundreds of thousands and tens of millions of other votes.

The king or parliament would issue an edict and the colonists were legally required to obey it. Are we not legally required to obey whatever edicts the Congress pass and president decrees?

Can anyone explain the difference?

Moral law no longer governs. Only the law. And that can be anything. There are no limits whatsoever on what may be done to us; only that a law be enacted (and not even that).

We are bound to obey, regardless.

The king’s men could simply take our things, search our persons on whim. The colonists objected to such treatment and cited such treatment among the reasons for their decision to secede.

Is it not a fact that the government’s men (and women) can simply take our things? Search us on whim? Have you traveled recently?

Can anyone explain the difference?

Final words of the article.


So, celebrating our freedoms strikes me as hollow and pathetic. Like holiday greetings instead of merry Christmas!

I plan to stay home and read a book.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-04/what-it-were-celebrating-exactly

Greenbarry
4th July 2016, 20:58
:lets make:

modwiz
4th July 2016, 23:13
Found this in an article mainly directed at fifth columnists. That would be the media. I think it is something anyone can meditate on.


Are you the kind who are so devoted to your own career, your family, your home or your children that you will let the most unspeakable horrors be brought about to destroy your career, your family, your home and your children — because you are too busy now to prevent them?
Title of the article is: To All Innocent Fifth Columnists
http://www.solopassion.com/node/9476

BTW, this thread is open to discussion and dialogue.:hmm:

modwiz
4th July 2016, 23:40
Are we tired of war yet? Can we tell our young men that?

Einstein said: Nothing will end war unless the people themselves refuse to go to war. The pioneers of a warless world are the youth who refuse military service.



“War has never been possible,” writes Robert Meagher in Killing from the Inside Out: Moral Injury and Just War, “ unless men have been willing to kill each other and, while they’re at it, possibly to be killed.” And as I have said over and over again: you can’t have a war without soldiers. It is only by young men not enlisting or refusing to enlist that war can be ended once and for all.


Old Men Start Wars, Young Men Die In Them
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-03/old-men-start-wars-young-men-die-them

Now, some say, it is the only way poor people can make something of themselves.:vom: That works in duality thinking where it is either or. Trinary of "thinking in the field between polarity poles" allows for nuance and not getting stuck. The USA is not under attack or a declared war by a foreign nation. They are waging undeclared war all over the planet.
So, joining the military means you will be deployed to war. In peacetime, which given the power of the USA military would probably last forever, joining the military then means we can keep a credible defense and enjoy everlasting peace.

Simple polarity thinking creates the cognitive dissonance that allows for what may seem like a reasonable argument/reason/excuse for our young men and women to join the military.
This same cognitive dissonance allows for a hag like Hillary to aspire to office. Or the same creepy congresspersons getting re-elected. Lindsey "cupcake" Graham was re-elected in the last election of his state. WTF????

Which comic said, "You can't fix stupid"? Doesn't matter, it may be time to fix how people qualify to vote or how we put people into office in the first place. Something needs to give, that is for sure.

lift the veil
5th July 2016, 14:16
Here is an interesting piece by Ian from Verterans Today, which I though was very pertinent for the 4th of July.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/07/04/what-to-the-slave-is-the-4th-of-july/

What To The Slave Is The 4th Of July?

By Ian Greenhalgh on July 4, 2016

164 years after they were spoken, the words of Frederic Douglas remain highly relevant to American society

http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/frederick_douglass_cc_img.jpg

Happy 4th of July to all my American cousins. Now, here’s some food for thought to mull over while you’re digesting all that holiday food and drink.

When Frederick Douglas delivered this 4th of July speech in 1852, America was still a nation that had the institution of slavery; millions of blacks had no freedom, no rights, they were mere property. Needless to say, it was an extremely racist time and place.

Today, 164 years later, slavery has long been abolished but has white America become less prejudiced against their black brethren? Many would argue yes, but for many blacks, especially those at the lower end of the social strata, the USA remains a deeply racist nation that doesn’t value it’s black citizens much if at all. Douglas summed it up eloquently in his speech (which was to a white audience):


The blessings in which you, this day, rejoice are not enjoyed in common. The rich inheritance of justice, liberty, prosperity, and independence bequeathed by your fathers is shared by you, not by me.
When you consider how many young blacks are in prison, which is the modern form of slavery; the numbers of blacks shot down by police with sickening regularity; the callous disregard shown by the Federal government for the poor, mostly black citizens of New Orleans after Katrina, just to name a few of the very many injustices black America has to suffer and endure, then is it a flawed argument that America is still an extremely racist place. Douglas understood this and warned that if America does not learn from it’s shameful past, it will continue to have a shameful future:


Whether we turn to the declarations of the past or to the professions of the present, the conduct of the nation seems equally hideous and revolting. America is false to the past, false to the present, and solemnly binds herself to be false to the future.
Then there’s the hatred of Mexicans and Latinos in general; this is something that has really shocked me in recent times; not just Trump’s disgusting appeals to the lowest common denominator by spouting racist rhetoric but the vocal support for his anti-Mexican stance from white people who should be ashamed of themselves. Several people I previously respected have managed to really disgust me recently by voicing very racist views on Mexicans; I have no truck with racism and never will have.

Another area where America’s latent racism clearly shows through the veil of political correctness is in the foreign policies that have seen US armed forces slaughter people from Libya to Afghanistan and many points between. However, the fact that they are dark skinned and Islamic has meant that the protests against their murders are most notable by their absence. Douglas recognized the same behavior in his time:


There is not a nation on the earth guilty of practices more shocking and bloody than are the people of the United States at this very hour.
It is my fervent hope that the way that Trump’s disgustingly racist pandering to the lowest common denominator has shone a spotlight on the latent racism that still exists in American society will spur those who hold more noble ideals into action, to make their voices heard and to effect very real change in the attitudes of White America. I leave the last word to Frederic Douglas:


for revolting barbarity and shameless hypocrisy, America reigns without a rival.

The complete text of Douglas’ 1852 speech can be found below Ian's piece here. http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/07/04/what-to-the-slave-is-the-4th-of-july/

Dreamtimer
5th July 2016, 15:28
The first article linked to is written by Million Dollar Bonus, who is...?

He(?) could have made that up and said it was written by one of the elite. It may be just what they believe but I'd like to know where it came from.

I was just hanging' with some republicans and they are quite elitist though they aren't in the echelons of the ruling elite. It's an attitude that is easily acquired with success. They are also terrible listeners and among the first to attack the messenger if republicans are criticized. I don't engage in political dialogue with them because it's pretty pointless from my perspective.

What I need is a qigong way. I need to merge with and redirect their energy towards enlightenment. Not sure how...

I've complained more than once here about the "I don't have time to think, I don't have time to listen" litany that I've heard from my brother my whole life. Why should he bother when he's smarter and better and knows more and has more success and...yada yada yada.

Most of us are guilty simply by the lack of turnout at the voting booths and the lack of involvement in local government/politics. The people on either end of the spectrum are who is voting. Not the sensible middle. (Not very sensible)

My patriot friend George came over when the police trials in Baltimore were getting underway. This same man who goes on about the importance of the Pledge of Allegiance which ends "...with liberty and justice for all" say to us, "I don't know why they're bothering to go through with these trials. It's not gonna make a difference to those people."

:shocked:

I said, "You can't know that." He said, "Yes I can."

Really? 'Those people'? He can really sympathize first hand with the life of an inner city black, huh?

He's a patriot and a libertarian.

Rand Paul says things like, I feel terrible about racism. I just don't think the government should do anything about it. Who, then? A private, for profit entity? A community organization?

They send young men to war because young men go easily. They're hot. They're inexperienced. They get to use big weapons. They get to be tough men. They may get to be heroes.

If people looked harder at the state of veterans they might have a less idealistic perspective.

How do you tell patriotic capitalists that they're part of a racket?

PurpleLama
5th July 2016, 21:04
Million Dollar Bonus is a frequent commenter on Zero Hedge, and what he writes is actually satire. This is the article that the Accredited Times article was spoofing.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-29/elites-called-arms-its-time-rise-against-ignorant-masses

modwiz
5th July 2016, 21:12
Million Dollar Bonus is a frequent commenter on Zero Hedge, and what he writes is actually satire. This is the article that the Accredited Times article was spoofing.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-29/elites-called-arms-its-time-rise-against-ignorant-masses

Thanks I had read that article days ago. Appreciate the heads up on satire, which often includes big doses of truth. Good to hear from you.

PurpleLama
5th July 2016, 21:30
Keep an eye out for MDB's posts on ZH, they are a hoot if you get the joke, and of course it's equally funny to watch the replies of those who think he is serious (on ZH, no reference to the OP).

Cearna
6th July 2016, 05:13
Since I am cultivating the tent to be an open conversation with a slant towards the mystical and personal I wanted to start an ongoing thread that will deal more with topical and current events in our dynamically changing world. The struggle is on and it is getting fierce. This thread will look to track this battle by using articles from around the web that bring a focus on this.

I will open with this article that appears to be written by Paul Krugman because his picture but, not his name appears on this article. Perhaps the name is not there for usage issues. The title is quite alarming, on one level. It’s time for Elites to take matters into their own hands

Here is a paragraph that lets one know where this toad is coming from:


Got that?

Some more:

Do we see where this is going?

Now, there is some legitimacy to an uninformed and ignorant populace getting to vote, IMO. This could be partially remedied by proper unbiased reporting of events happening in countries around the world. A big view reporting that allows people to see the whole and how the parts relate dynamically. I say partially remedied because, however painful it may be to countenance, some people just do not have either the intelligence or emotional stability to integrate information in a way that would not be disruptive. However, the "weight" of a properly informed population should be able to provide the balance needed to allow misfits to vote. I want to make it clear, I believe every single voice needs to be heard, no matter how dysfunctional. Those confused voices need to know they are loved and cared for.

Now, the elites. In short, elite is about performance in service to the greater collective. Or shorter even, elite is about performance.

Here is the link to the above article which has two additional paragraphs in addition to the one above in the post. https://accreditedtimes.wordpress.com/2016/07/04/its-time-for-the-elites-to-take-matters-into-their-own-hands/?iframe=true&theme_preview=true

It is worth repeating this disturbing so- called right to speak.

As much as the actual words being uttered, there have been out in books of classical literature, we have been reading, plays and movies engendering this in the idealism written into the plots, and they have been given the stamp of approval, taught as symbolism of the "brave new world", the ideas are engendered and inbred within certain families in every generation since way back when, and for at least for 300 years in our past have been formalising agendas, which have not been halted in any way.

Why wouldn't they stand their believing in this as a way of life. To them the yokes and shackles were never removed, however, they have not realised that places such as the "colonies" actually were not kept under tight enough reins, and even in old countries the enforced cheap labour, eventually brings even the simplest of folk to cry out "enough is enough" and when that happens, the restraints suddenly becomes uncontrollable anger and yes chaos results, but in the resultant calm the people are never the same again. They become street wise, instead of being the intellectually smart of the elitists, and so much becomes seen, that was never seen before, because those such as the satirists and cartoonists of the 18th and 19th century, begin to shed light, and once light is shed , watch out you
governing structures, legal institutions and central banks that make modern democracy possible are upheld and maintained by a select group of political, social and economic experts, because once given the "right of free speech" your control will have to be absolute before you stop the common man.

modwiz
6th July 2016, 05:45
It is worth repeating this disturbing so- called right to speak.

As much as the actual words being uttered, there have been out in books of classical literature, we have been reading, plays and movies engendering this in the idealism written into the plots, and they have been given the stamp of approval, taught as symbolism of the "brave new world", the ideas are engendered and inbred within certain families in every generation since way back when, and for at least for 300 years in our past have been formalising agendas, which have not been halted in any way.

Why wouldn't they stand their believing in this as a way of life. To them the yokes and shackles were never removed, however, they have not realised that places such as the "colonies" actually were not kept under tight enough reins, and even in old countries the enforced cheap labour, eventually brings even the simplest of folk to cry out "enough is enough" and when that happens, the restraints suddenly becomes uncontrollable anger and yes chaos results, but in the resultant calm the people are never the same again. They become street wise, instead of being the intellectually smart of the elitists, and so much becomes seen, that was never seen before, because those such as the satirists and cartoonists of the 18th and 19th century, begin to shed light, and once light is shed , watch out you , because once given the "right of free speech" your control will have to be absolute before you stop the common man.

I really enjoyed the passion you included with your analyses there. I am winding down my night and a better reply is not forming. I could not just thank this excellent post, though.

Dreamtimer
6th July 2016, 15:41
Thanks to Purple Lama for the info. The last sentence of the Zero Hedge/Financial Times article by James Traub reads, "Did I say “ignorant”? Yes, I did. It is necessary to say that people are deluded and that the task of leadership is to un-delude them. Is that “elitist”? Maybe it is; maybe we have become so inclined to celebrate the authenticity of all personal conviction that it is now elitist to believe in reason, expertise, and the lessons of history. If so, the party of accepting reality must be prepared to take on the party of denying reality, and its enablers among those who know better. If that is the coming realignment, we should embrace it."

I would love for leadership to 'un-delude' people but it seems to me they've been doing the opposite.

If the 'party of accepting reality' takes on the 'party of denying reality' won't it kind of be like arguing with a fool? I mean, who wants to try to argue with someone like Sarah Palin?

I'd love to vote for sensible leadership. Where is it?

PurpleLama
6th July 2016, 16:05
A popular overturn of the status quo could be organized and accomplished, I believe, through a grass roots and online effort to take as many seats in the House of Represenatives which staggers it's election cycle every two years, and some Senate positions also land on these odd years as well. Such a tactic could take out many congressional incumbents, as turn out is much, much lower during the elections in between the presidential election years.

modwiz
6th July 2016, 17:29
A popular overturn of the status quo could be organized and accomplished, I believe, through a grass roots and online effort to take as many seats in the House of Represenatives which staggers it's election cycle every two years, and some Senate positions also land on these odd years as well. Such a tactic could take out many congressional incumbents, as turn out is much, much lower during the elections in between the presidential election years.

Agreed, brother. Internet and grass roots can work well together. Those online can keep very up to date and disseminate any timely info to those either not online or less so than others. Real change will come from the local level. Mayors/town supervisors are key to accountable representation. Town Hall meetings are where anonymity ends and real social contracts can be formed.

Dreamtimer
6th July 2016, 17:32
:magic:,I was just listening to Grant Morrison talking about magic and making sigils. Perhaps it's time to design one around the desired election outcomes. No doubt we need some good magic.

modwiz
6th July 2016, 17:46
:magic:,I was just listening to Grant Morrison talking about magic and making sigils. Perhaps it's time to design one around the desired election outcomes. No doubt we need some good magic.

I have that show/interview downloaded to my desktop to listen to, when the time presents itself. Some magic could help, IMO. Desired election outcomes would be one application. A more engaged and informed populace could be another.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_A2VcW4nCk

PurpleLama
6th July 2016, 18:16
I will decline to perform any magic specifically in reference to political matters, the temptation to reach farther than I should into the dark side would surely be more than I could bear.

modwiz
6th July 2016, 18:28
I will decline to perform any magic specifically in reference to political matters, the temptation to reach farther than I should into the dark side would surely be more than I could bear.

I also decline. Just being agreeable to the suggestions of others with subtle hints that people, and their consciousness, are key to changing things for the better.

modwiz
6th July 2016, 18:42
Tony "Blood-Stained" Blair saying the Iraq war was a good thing. In his circle of psychopaths that statement is very likey "truth". For the people of that country and the Middle East at large, it is smack in the face, a kick in the ass and then peeing on them for good measure. That is, it is a disgusting statement.

Just look at this face and body English.
http://217.218.67.233/photo/20160706/4e53eb5d-f583-4cf5-a52b-2f466388dac5.jpg


In response to the report, Blair said Wednesday that he accepts “full responsibility” for the decision, admitting that the invasion was based on wrong intelligence.

He expressed sorrow for the death of thousands of people, adding, however, that “the world was and is in my judgment a better place without Saddam Hussein.”

http://presstv.ir/Detail/2016/07/06/473922/Bush-Blair-UK-US-Iraq-Chilcot

bsbray
6th July 2016, 19:17
I will decline to perform any magic specifically in reference to political matters, the temptation to reach farther than I should into the dark side would surely be more than I could bear.

I've noticed personally that when I'm emotionally wrapped up in politics and let it "get to me," things only seem to get worse. When I stop watching and feeding into all of that rat race with my emotions, and focus on more positive things instead, is when things seem to start dissolving on their own and I get news of things like a peace deal with Iran or certain legislation I don't like being shot down in Congress. I really do think that the emotional energy we put out is getting mirrored back to us as individuals. How this translates from a personal scale to millions of people I don't know, though I've always wondered about that, because it seems to be a very personal and, yes, "magical" kind of thing.


Somebody brought up Veterans Today and even though I think they put out a lot of good information, there are some pretty blatant signs that it is also a controlled (ie mis or disinformation) source. A look at Gordon Duff's impossible and ever-changing biography over the years is enough to establish that. He's supposedly a 100% disabled Vietnam vet who's also (since the war) worked with the Federal Reserve, mercenary types in the Middle East, and a big laundry list of other nonsense that has changed several times over the last few years. I personally think it's a Pentagon-backed information source, even aside from the obvious name of the place, "Veterans Today."

Anyway the reason I bring that up is because they have turned on the evils of Israel in recent months, which I think is a good thing to draw attention to, but they have also been pushing the Khazarian thing, that the Israeli government is run by pseudo-Jews who are actually descendants of the Khazarians, who were baby-eaters and all the rest.

While I was digging through New Chronology research lately I came across the fact that the Magyars were one of the peoples living across the Urals independently of the Romanovs, and at some point they had pushed far enough into eastern Europe that their culture and linguistic influences are still present in Hungary today (linguistic influences that tie to the Sumerians no less, which is a huge anachronism). Well the Magyars were also affiliated with the Khazars, who have been totally demonized by the conspiracy community based on the conventional historical narrative. When I saw that the Khazars were one of the nations brutalized by Europeans (probably Germans ultimately) pushing into their territory, I had to suspend my beliefs about the Khazars until I am able to gather more information.

So in other words I would recommend a suspension in judgment on who the Khazars were and how they tie into current events, because this is another area where conventional history has some massive problems and there is a lot of whitewash going on. I notice that "TPTB" tend to take their worst faults and blame them on their enemies, kind of like how Hitler is the most evil man that ever lived despite the fact that our ally Joseph Stalin killed 3x as many innocent people even by the conventional western account of WW2. How accurate any of those numbers are is another subject but even by their own story Stalin should be the bigger monster just by the numbers alone. There seem to be lots of examples of blame-shifting throughout history.



He expressed sorrow for the death of thousands of people, adding, however, that “the world was and is in my judgment a better place without Saddam Hussein.”

The world would be a better place without Tony Blair too. Though at least Saddam kept western-backed terrorists out of his country, something that you can't say about the new puppet government of Iraq.

Dreamtimer
6th July 2016, 19:33
bsbray, you said, "I've noticed personally that when I'm emotionally wrapped up in politics and let it "get to me," things only seem to get worse. When I stop watching and feeding into all of that rat race with my emotions, and focus on more positive things instead, is when things seem to start dissolving on their own and I get news of things like a peace deal with Iran or certain legislation I don't like being shot down in Congress. I really do think that the emotional energy we put out is getting mirrored back to us as individuals. How this translates from a personal scale to millions of people I don't know, though I've always wondered about that, because it seems to be a very personal and, yes, "magical" kind of thing."

This is so much like what Grant was talking about. In his writings he crafted a hero who had several bad things befall him. Then Grant, himself, began having very similar bad experiences. In another instance, he had broken up with a girlfriend and decided he wanted a woman who looked like a character he had developed. He soon found himself with about ten women in his life who looked just like this character but he couldn't deal with/relate to any of them.

This is when he began to make efforts to manifest more positive things. Magic indeed.

My idea of a sigil would be directed towards a positive desire/outcome. I wouldn't try to use negative or destructive energies.

PurpleLama
6th July 2016, 19:35
We can never be entirely sure what energies we are drawing upon in the creation of constructs, the impetus which arrives into such construction is drawn from the very depths of the psyche.

PurpleLama
6th July 2016, 19:46
I will decline to perform any magic specifically in reference to political matters, the temptation to reach farther than I should into the dark side would surely be more than I could bear.

The bolded portion is integral to the overall statement.

To paraphrase the master, pray for your enemies and for those who spitefully use you, as such is like heaping coals of fire upon their head. When such is accomplished from a child like heart, no harm or danger can be found for the practitioner, but those who work evil will find their energies working at cross purposes, cancellation or confusion being the result.

May Hillary be the first woman president, and the first removed for mental illness that her handlers can not even contain. Such is the /ahem, love I have for that woman. I myself will proceed with extreme caution when engaging in such a matter. My brand of magic isn't for everyone, possibly for none but my self.

bsbray
6th July 2016, 19:51
This is so much like what Grant was talking about. In his writings he crafted a hero who had several bad things befall him. Then Grant, himself, began having very similar bad experiences. In another instance, he had broken up with a girlfriend and decided he wanted a woman who looked like a character he had developed. He soon found himself with about ten women in his life who looked just like this character but he couldn't deal with/relate to any of them.


We can never be entirely sure what energies we are drawing upon in the creation of constructs, the impetus which arrives into such construction is drawn from the very depths of the psyche.

All of this is why I don't try to impose my will on the universe on some grand scale. Even though I might think I know better sometimes, I'm not smarter than creation itself and the less I try to interfere with things the better they seem to turn out on their own. But I do have a kind of belief or even intention in the back of my mind, that everything works out for the greater good of all, whatever that may look like. "Hands-off" seems to work better for everything from gardening to relationships with people, even stuff to do with inanimate objects.

I'm having deja vu right now. Interesting. Have I posted this before? :scrhd:

I was weeding my potato bed and we had some hot days, and some of my potato plants dried up and died. But others, where I hadn't weeded, grew over and laid down on the weeds, which I guess helped cool them and keep them moist, and they're the ones that survived. So I'm getting so hands-off that I'm having to reconsider even how I weed my garden. Nature seems to have its own way of things.


About Hillary -- that might be the best thing for the US. Have 4 or 8 years of Hillary and the next time we have a shot at an anti-establishment candidate you know we're going to vote them in, even if it's a bum off the street. Well, at least if we survive the nuclear war over Iran. :p

PurpleLama
6th July 2016, 20:01
Exactly, bsbray, you don't impose your will on universe. Such is possibly the greatest fallacy of the sorcerer.

To add, some relationships appreciate the, um, hands on approach.

modwiz
7th July 2016, 00:33
Afghan president welcomes Obama'a decision on troops number

One may have heard of Obummer's decision to keep USA troops at 8,400. 3,000 more than promised last year. Of course the USA taxpayer picks up the tab. Since we have heard no protests about that, we have to assume consent, at some unspoken level:fpalm: If we take a good look at this Western dressed "dandy" we will see he is not living small and has scant resources for funding his own country's defense.

http://217.218.67.233/photo/20160706/f2bc9ee6-6cc4-4a55-84b1-62bf5544f833.jpg


Afghan President Ashraf Ghani has welcomed US President Barack Obama's decision to maintain the bulk of American troops in Afghanistan.

“[I] welcome President Obama's decision on keeping 8,400 troops" in Afghanistan, said Ghani in a message posted on his official Twitter account on Wednesday.

"It shows continued partnership between our nations to pursue our common interests," he added.


Especially wearing nice suits.:vom:

PurpleLama
7th July 2016, 12:29
Two black men killed by police in two days with the usual attendant outrage (not to denigrate such justified emotional reactions) provides a nice distraction to the FBI/Hillary debacle of Tuesday morning.

PurpleLama
8th July 2016, 04:21
So anyone care to venture a guess as to how much ruckus (shootings, etc) will go on to keep the attention off of campaings and congressional hearings and such?

Officers were shot in Dallas, this evening.

modwiz
8th July 2016, 07:17
So anyone care to venture a guess as to how much ruckus (shootings, etc) will go on to keep the attention off of campaings and congressional hearings and such?

Officers were shot in Dallas, this evening.

The shootings, and beatings, will continue until morale improves.:rolleyes:

Now, on a seriouser note. I do believe this is both a distraction from what you mention and an excuse for gun-grabbing and police snipers at any protest, replete with their new military vehicles. This could be a very long hot Summer, if we make it through.

NATO is provoking the bear in Eastern Europe and WWlll could begin without anyone noticing until electricity and internet go down. I sense something that escapes "sight". Something better than things look at this fluid moment. Though that 'something' feels behind some more chaos yet to unfold.

modwiz
8th July 2016, 08:02
The latest police shooting of an unarmed man at a traffic stop hurts my heart deeply. It is as cold blooded a murder as they come, IMO. I remember reading something about ear pieces police wear to stay connected to "headquarters" or some equivalent. The article suggested that "suggestions"/orders are given through them. In this latest killing, it not only rings true, it screams true. Whether it is a direct voice message or something like code word trigger I do not know. There may be "information" like conversation channeled though during routine patrols that results in a programming of police that weaponizes them.

Choice of officers has also changed and those choices may reflect picking officers who will program easier than others. There is something very wrong with our police forces and I am feeling strongly that they are "victims" in a lesser sense. Bio-puppets and useful idiots is another way of putting it. There have always been a few sadists and more than a few racist police but recently, psychotic seems a more realistic assessment. I refer to the police committing these acts and do not mean this as a broad brush statement.

PurpleLama
8th July 2016, 13:04
Watching some of the footage of one of the Dallas shooters last night revealed what was obvious military training and tactics. Interesting they aren't releasing any of the names of the suspects....

Aragorn
8th July 2016, 13:26
Watching some of the footage of one of the Dallas shooters last night revealed what was obvious military training and tactics. Interesting they aren't releasing any of the names of the suspects....


"If the people knew about everything we've done, they would lynch us."
(George Herbert Walker Bush)

lift the veil
8th July 2016, 14:49
Interesting numerology involved, July 7th... Another 7/7 event happened in London, back in 2005, and was blamed on "Islamist extremists."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_July_2005_London_bombings


The 7 July 2005 London bombings, sometimes referred to as 7/7, were a series of coordinated terrorist suicide bomb attacks in central London which targeted civilians using the public transport system during the rush hour.

On the morning of Thursday, 7 July 2005, four Islamist extremists separately detonated three bombs in quick succession aboard London Underground trains across the city and, later, a fourth on a double-decker bus in Tavistock Square. Fifty-two people were killed and over 700 more were injured in the attacks, making it Britain's worst terrorist incident since the 1988 bombing of Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland, as well as the country's first ever Islamist suicide attack.

Interesting that the name, Tavistock, pops up in the description. Mind control, social manipulation comes to mind.

The cabal is stoking racial tensions, manipulating the general populace, DIVIDE AND CONQUER.

modwiz
8th July 2016, 16:17
Interesting numerology involved, July 7th... Another 7/7 event happened in London, back in 2005, and was blamed on "Islamist extremists."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_July_2005_London_bombings



Interesting that the name, Tavistock, pops up in the description. Mind control, social manipulation comes to mind.

The cabal is stoking racial tensions, manipulating the general populace, DIVIDE AND CONQUER.

Yes, good call. Also, the protest was going peacefully and there were no problems so something had to give to get the Hillary and related Comey things out of the morning abd weekend news. Sunday talk show would have been all about what that. Now they have a new topic. Hillary and accessories are saved from further scrutiny. We see it, now if the rest of USA would do so, we'd be making real progress.

However, anyone trying to say emails, even Hillary's and the cover-up by agencies, are more important would be called cold hearted. She will probably even be leading the call for gun confiscation of some sort.

modwiz
8th July 2016, 16:52
I want to thank Purple Lama for getting this going in the right direction. He has been tracking the story and watching videos and proceedings of the Hillary scandal. I am watching him, and Carmody, stay on top of this and the deep state moves going on. Enough of us having some clarity on this waste of lives for an agenda that serves more than one purpose might just have an effect on others. Even subconsciously, for some who might not make the connection in the normal waking state.

modwiz
8th July 2016, 17:47
Gordon Duff has a good update, overall, lol. He has a sentence or two making Hillary a victim of nasties. Otherwise an article worth reading, IMO. I have not watched any video of the shootings. Reading about them will suffice for me.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/07/08/police-murder-video-graphic-consider-not-watching/

lift the veil
8th July 2016, 19:30
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/micah-johnson-dallas-shooting_us_577fb6b5e4b0c590f7e8f3ce


Micah Johnson Identified As Dallas Shooting Suspect...Johnson was an Army veteran who served in Afghanistan, a military spokesperson confirmed. He enlisted in 2009 and left the service in April 2015.

modwiz
9th July 2016, 21:41
Can it be done? Yes it could, only the will to get it done is required. The right use of will does require proper use of intelligence and that requires being clear of emotional interference. We should know how we feel, for sure, and then with that "knowing" allow ourselves to use logic free from passions and "whisperings" that occur from that sector. Let us say those whisperings are from the unseen part of our reality. Entities that like to interfere.

Now, what do I speak of? I speak of the Green Party in the USA. A very human candidate heads that party up and she says she would step aside for Bernie to allow his faithful to vote for him.

It is funny how we have to read this from a foreign news outlet. Fortunately we have those resources available to us.

Sanders’ fans turning to Green Party, he can, too: Jill Stein


The probable presidential candidate of the US Green Party says she is ready to step aside and allow Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders to use the party’s ticket at the 2016 presidential election.

Jill Stein, who is expected to be end up as the party’s nominee after a convention in August, told the Guardian on Friday that the Democratic hopeful had been contacted for the offer.

“I’ve invited Bernie to sit down explore collaboration – everything is on the table,” she said, indicating that the Democratic Party is not fit for the senator’s movement.

“If he saw that you can’t have a revolutionary campaign in a counter-revolutionary party, he’d be welcomed to the Green party. He could lead the ticket and build a political movement,” Stein added.

Here is the article:http://presstv.ir/Detail/2016/07/09/474410/Sanders-can-run-on-Green-Party-ticket

modwiz
11th July 2016, 07:25
So, NATO (North Atlantic Terrorist Organization) had a summit meeting in Warsaw, Poland. Its final statements fall somewhere between insanity and hysteria. Oh yes, lots of saber-rattling too. Apparently Russia is too close to the ever expanding organizations "borders", and proper defensive placement of its troops (Russia's) in its own country is deemed aggressive. Russia has a responsibility to its citizens to prepare against unfriendlies assembling military assets on its borders.

I share a house with someone who watches TV and hear some of the talking heads speaking. It is like Alice Through the Looking Glass. Theater of the bizarre by what have to be people invested in creating a narrative divorced from objective reality. This alternative reality is a highly provocative and dangerous one. Someone wants war, that is obvious. USA is in chaos and the parasites only know war and more lies as a solution.

Now for some woo woo analysis/comments. Reptilian types would be very happy with a nuclear war because radioactivity benefits them at their biological level. Destruction of trees could lower oxygen which is another good thing for them. They like a high nitrogen/low oxygen atmosphere. However, massive nuclear explosions would effect far more than just the Earth and will not be allowed. (These would be some of the other ET's.) Enough bombs to be troublesome but, nuclear annihilation is just not good for the solar system and there are negative dimensional effects as well. I make theses comments because the reptilian influenced, with some genetics as well, Western oligarch controllers are comfortable with the idea of nuclear war. They have shelters, the USA populace is not provided with them to any degree of large coverage. Russia, especially its big cities have very good shelters for their populations. If Russia thinks the West might go for a first strike it will send its populace to them. Our spies in the country would see and report this and the West could use this as an excuse that the Russians are preparing for a first strike and it gets really stupid from there.

This is the HUGE story being covered up by under-reporting and the distraction of Dallas and the stoking of race wars. The Hillary story seems like nothing in this mix. Although it will get more coverage than the West instigating WWlll. The West is preparing for war. Some EU countries are seeing this and a few of their politicians are making some squeaky noises about it. Eastern Europeans people are in the streets protesting it. One will not see it on MSM. One needs to read other nations news feeds.

Rense.com is the best place to find this aggregation of foreign sources. http://www.rense.com/

modwiz
11th July 2016, 22:19
Israel attacks Iran using top secret space-based ‘death ray’

How's that for a sensational headline? Reported by Ian Greenlagh and up at VT, here is some of it.


Things in Iran have been mysteriously catching fire and exploding but no evidence of a culprit can be found, local authorities were most perplexed. Iran, in common with just about every other country in the world, has a fifth column, a group within it’s borders and institutions that serves a foreign power and who can carry out sabotage, assassinations and other ‘spooky’ operations covertly. However, there is nothing to link anyone to these mysterious explosions, no signs of anyone having placed a bomb or even of a bomb having been used.

So what’s going on? Clearly someone is covertly attacking key sites within Iran and is doing so in an unconventional way that so far, eludes detection; no drones or aircraft have been detected, and we know that Iran is capable of detecting and bringing down even the latest US stealth drones.

This is where having many sources comes in very handy, and we at VT have many sources; furthermore, by sources I don’t mean ‘the internet’ or any form or hearsay or rumour, we deal with the foreign and defence ministries, the intelligence agencies, the people who really know what they are talking about and have never been anywhere near ‘the internet’ others use as their source.

I had to make that point before explaining where this story is headed, because it’s headed into strange, uncharted waters

There is more in the article filling in some ideas but, here is a bit more and it heads into SSP/Black-Ops territory. That is, disclosure material.


So what exactly are we talking about with this new weapons system? Our sources insist that it is satellite mounted, rather than on any kind of aircraft. This means it was placed in orbit and given the size of the old Boeing YAL-1 laser and the payload capacity of even our largest rockets, something doesn’t quite add up – either the laser weapon has been developed into a much smaller, lighter version or they didn’t use a rocket to put it up there.

If not a rocket then how? I hear you cry… Well, this is an area where we must use a little speculation in the absence of hard fact. It is almost certain that NASA is nothing more than a multi-billion dollar distraction, playing with rockets and deep space probes to keep the public’s attention away from the real space programmes run by the military. While we have no specifics, it is widely believed that the US possesses advanced craft that use exotic propulsion methods to fly from the earth’s surface into space and travel to other planets and beyond. Such craft would be able to place in orbit objects far larger and heavier than the typical satellite, such as an orbital laser weapon.



http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/07/11/israel-attacks-iran-using-top-secret-space-based-death-ray/

Now, before anyone thinks I am heading into anti-Israel posting, let me clear on something. The Anglo-American empire set Israel up as a nation in 1948. The empire is zionist in its world view. However, this is a Judeo-Christian outfit. Let us make no mistakes about that. Saudi Arabia, also set up by the empire, is a pseudo-Islamic front for this zionist cancer. The other Gulf nation specks, led by "royal" families are part of this apostate Islamic network. OK, enough due diligence on making sure this is not about Israel. The Empire makes use of their hysteria, as it currently is using some of the former Soviet countries like Poland, Latvia and Estonia to cover their own dirty work.

Gordon Duff posted an article about this in 2014 and it is here:http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/08/11/israel-unleashes-death-ray-on-gaza/

No one should take what Gordon has to say in full. He is a spook with his own unique ideas about what is good for his country. He also uses his "disinfo" claim as protection for himself. By claiming to mix disinfo with info he gets away with more and is not considered a security threat. Once one has read Gordon enough and "gets" his political views, skewed as they often are, then the gems can be found.

modwiz
12th July 2016, 01:20
US-UK ‘special relationship’ transcends ruling parties

Of course it does. They are blood related, as have been most USA presidents to the British monarchy. Tell us something we don't know, Obama. Oh, I forgot, most 'muricans" don't know a thing about such matters. Oops!


Despite the situation in Britain following a decision to exit the European Union, US President Barack Obama still relies on the “special relationship” between the two states that "transcends the personalities or political parties of either country's leader," says the White House spokesman.

With less than six months left in the office Obama “continues though to rest on the principle that the relationship between the United States and the United Kingdom is a special one,” Josh Earnest said on Monday.

http://presstv.ir/Detail/2016/07/11/474736/brexit-obama-theresa-may-uk-us-david-cameron

So sad that one has to rely on foreign media to get anything close to relevant information.

modwiz
12th July 2016, 23:09
The State Dept of the District of Criminals on display here. They sure have the old two step down.

US Officials Refuse to Comment on Reports That CIA Weapons for ‪‎Syria‬ "Rebels" Stolen Again


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pmbCjNZAfs

bsbray
14th July 2016, 20:31
A lot of Americans have been doing their own investigations and I think we should throw all of these goons responsible for the Syrian situation under the bus and give them "no comment" either.

Of course we shouldn't be fomenting rebellion in other sovereign nations as official policy. There are better ways to deal with situations like this, than just overthrowing governments and putting puppets in power. One good thing is that Bashar al Assad was on MSM today saying fairly reasonable things. The talking heads dismissed his "charm" (ie the fact that he is a human being and not actually a three-headed monster), but I've never seen them let him express himself on TV before, so that's a positive side that we are actually getting more of the other side of the discussion aired and not just impulsive demands to blow him up.

modwiz
14th July 2016, 20:52
A lot of Americans have been doing their own investigations and I think we should throw all of these goons responsible for the Syrian situation under the bus and give them "no comment" either.

Of course we shouldn't be fomenting rebellion in other sovereign nations as official policy. There are better ways to deal with situations like this, than just overthrowing governments and putting puppets in power. One good thing is that Bashar al Assad was on MSM today saying fairly reasonable things. The talking heads dismissed his "charm" (ie the fact that he is a human being and not actually a three-headed monster), but I've never seen them let him express himself on TV before, so that's a positive side that we are actually getting more of the other side of the discussion aired and not just impulsive demands to blow him up.


I read the trascript of that interview. The interviewer was hostile and asked silly questions for any serious adult. If his style is taken seriously and not derided, we will have some data about where the average MSM consumer is at.

Bashar did a good job in that situation and did not go for bait thrown at him repeatedly.

PurpleLama
14th July 2016, 23:23
I've read a lot of transcripts of Assad interviews over the last few years, it's easy to see why he and Putin enjoy such mutual respect while western leaders are on the outside of that particular loop. By all accounts he was well on his way to reforming and modernizing his country when shtf, pity such secular leaders in the Muslim world are so hard to control or cajole or coerce that we simply cannot tolerate them in our arrogance. How dare they have a backbone and stand up for what's right for their people while we barely comprehend the culture and history from which they emanate.

modwiz
15th July 2016, 00:49
I've read a lot of transcripts of Assad interviews over the last few years, it's easy to see why he and Putin enjoy such mutual respect while western leaders are on the outside of that particular loop. By all accounts he was well on his way to reforming and modernizing his country when shtf, pity such secular leaders in the Muslim world are so hard to control or cajole or coerce that we simply cannot tolerate them in our arrogance. How dare they have a backbone and stand up for what's right for their people while we barely comprehend the culture and history from which they emanate.

I could not agree more. Wahhabism, the apostate corruption of Islam, was promoted by the British when they recognized the Saud royalty and gave them a country to rule. The Western branch of Christianity wants Islam to be a backward medieval culture. It was Islam and their keeping the knowledge of the pagan philosophers and scientists that lifted a backward Roman church out its Dark Age. The continuum of science and arts had been burned or carted away to the Vatican and sometimes kept in monasteries. It was laso the British and their Balfour act that put Israel on the map and created a hornet's nest of people for the area.

Secular Arab leaders are their worst nightmare because they allow their people to come into the modern world. Saddam's modern highways are what allowed troop movements and tanks to all of the important areas of Iraq, at full speed. No plowing through sand or poor roads to get there. They allowed the Shah not only because he was one of theirs but, Persians are not Arabs. It seems to be the Arabs that they hate. Especially moderate secular ones.

Dreamtimer
15th July 2016, 15:23
Barely comprehend... I fear a good portion of my fellow Americans don't even understand the difference between Persians and Arabs and don't know (or care) which countries are Persian.

modwiz
15th July 2016, 15:53
Barely comprehend... I fear a good portion of my fellow Americans don't even understand the difference between Persians and Arabs and don't know (or care) which countries are Persian.

There is only one Persian country. Iran, known historically as Persia. It is a civilization with thousands of years of history and culture. Persian rugs have been sought after for centuries and are some of the finest in the world. Also, the best pistachios are from Iran. Pistachio lovers found that out when years of sanctions consigned them to California grown ones.

One cannot be part of the world without knowing their place in it and who their many neighbors are. The big players are a required minimum. The globalists are counting on people being estranged to one another and many populations ignorantly comply.

modwiz
15th July 2016, 17:01
Got this off of Zerohedge. A reporter gets cut off as she critiques Hillary at a talk she was covering. CNN don't play that. :onthequite:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWqa2EIBAxY

modwiz
16th July 2016, 00:00
I would call this major breaking news. Erdogan has clearly been seen for the unstable man he is. This should be interesting.

Turkey army says has taken power over country


The Turkish military says it has fully seized control of the country and that the rule of law must remain a priority.

"The power in the country has been seized in its entirety," said a military statement read on NTV television, without giving further details.

The statement went on to say that the military aims to "reinstall the constitutional order, democracy, human rights and freedoms," and "to ensure that the rule of law once again reigns in the country, for the law and order to be reinstated."

"All international agreements and commitments will remain. We pledge that good relations with all world countries will continue," the military statement added.

http://presstv.ir/Detail/2016/07/15/475362/Turkey-gunfire-Ankara-terror-attck

It does appear that it is/was an attempted coup by certain elements within the army. Reports are still coming out.

enjoy being
16th July 2016, 00:42
"presstv.ir/Detail/2016/07/15/475362/Turkey-gunfire-Ankara-terror-attck"

Magnifies on "terror-attck" as a pedant, and surmises that it is present in the address as some form of metadata relationship or personal pigeon-holing system of the website administrator.

Either way the use, as an aside I suppose, paints a telling picture in relation to the power of the genre. Dramatic thrillers in the public arena. The genre that supersedes reality TV.

Not anything new though, it just changes to move with the times.

Cearna
16th July 2016, 04:05
I could not agree more. Wahhabism, the apostate corruption of Islam, was promoted by the British when they recognized the Saud royalty and gave them a country to rule. The Western branch of Christianity wants Islam to be a backward medieval culture. It was Islam and their keeping the knowledge of the pagan philosophers and scientists that lifted a backward Roman church out its Dark Age. The continuum of science and arts had been burned or carted away to the Vatican and sometimes kept in monasteries. It was also the British and their Balfour act that put Israel on the map and created a hornet's nest of people for the area.



Whilst I was in Israel, i listened to the BBC broadcasts in Jordan on the radio - in English. They gave small excerpts from Arabic history, often about the works studied in the Universities there. These were mind bogling to me - the greatness they achieved back in the days of before and after the 10th Century, you will not learn in Australian schools. They were so advanced in medicine, astronomy, maths and so on and their Universities from those times must have left a wealth on knowledge we are only still catching up on. These were not people who spent all day learning the Koran off by heart, they were true philosophers and world leaders in the greatest knowledge of our time. Places like Timbuctoo, on the trade routes were renowned in their day for the scholars from their Universities, whilst the west floundered in Catholicism, so remote from this type of real learning. I spent quite some time in those days within the Church, and all it has brought me is a pile of agony which I am still trying to purge from my system and memories.

bsbray
16th July 2016, 04:31
I have to admit I'm pretty pumped about what's going on in Turkey right now. I almost wish I could be there to watch it unfold. This will be the beginning of major, major changes in the Middle East. The CIA has lost in its effort to finish destabilizing the Middle East. Assad looks like he will remain in power. Erdogan is out. Saudi Arabia will likely be the next regime to go. The Rothschild puppet Netanyahu better watch his ass, because these are all his partners in crime (CIA and Erdogan I mean).

Speaking of the Rothschilds, last I heard they were running from problems of their own in Europe, with indictments for financial crimes and infighting between family members.

US elections this fall and French elections next spring look promising as well.

bsbray
16th July 2016, 05:27
Well now Erdogan is saying he's back in control and that the coup failed. :fpalm:

modwiz
16th July 2016, 06:59
Well now Erdogan is saying he's back in control and that the coup failed. :fpalm:


Yes, it would appear that way. With this and Nice happening going into the weekend, it should take the released 9/11 documents about Saudi involvement out of the news cycle. It was watered down but any conversation about it, and who know what and when, could leave people filling in gaps. It is my guess, that at least the Turkish "coup" was likely some paid stooges of the Outhouse of Saud to ensure the 9/11 papers stay out of the Sunday talk shows.

PurpleLama
16th July 2016, 11:34
I read the redacted pages, with any reference to Mossad removed....

bsbray
16th July 2016, 17:09
It is my guess, that at least the Turkish "coup" was likely some paid stooges of the Outhouse of Saud to ensure the 9/11 papers stay out of the Sunday talk shows.

That could very well have been the case, since this coup went out with a whimper and now Erdogan is in a position to crack down on his rivals even more. Then these events would be serving multiple purposes, as both distraction from Saudi Arabia and pretext for more authoritarian measures in Turkey. The MSM is already reporting that some people think Erdogan could have even staged the whole thing just as a pretext to clamp down even more, but who knows anymore.

modwiz
16th July 2016, 20:24
I read the redacted pages, with any reference to Mossad removed....

The papers were really heavily redacted and posed little threat to anyone as released. I am thinking that anyone musing outside the box is where the paranoia lie. When one is in that mental state it is almost hallucinatory and one operates from a different reality that most would assume.

modwiz
19th July 2016, 22:22
I had to post this. Besides being topical there is the name of the location that is beyond synchronicity. I will underline and bold it in the quote.

US university not to host presidential debate, citing security concerns


A university in the US state of Ohio has decided to scrap plans to host a presidential debate, saying it is concerned about security as “things have changed” since they made the decision.

Scheduled for September 26, the debate was supposed to be held in Wright State University’s Nutter Center, but its president said Tuesday he had changed his mind, according o the university’s news website.

“We were fully aware of the challenges and were prepared to meet them when we decided to host the debate, but things have changed,” said Wright State President David R. Hopkins.

With a name like that, it may be a good idea to not hold the debate there.

http://presstv.ir/Detail/2016/07/19/475994/us-university-2016-presidential-election-debate-ohio-terrorism

Aragorn
19th July 2016, 23:03
I had to post this. Besides being topical there is the name of the location that is beyond synchronicity. I will underline and bold it in the quote.

US university not to host presidential debate, citing security concerns


A university in the US state of Ohio has decided to scrap plans to host a presidential debate, saying it is concerned about security as “things have changed” since they made the decision.

Scheduled for September 26, the debate was supposed to be held in Wright State University’s Nutter Center, but its president said Tuesday he had changed his mind, according o the university’s news website.

“We were fully aware of the challenges and were prepared to meet them when we decided to host the debate, but things have changed,” said Wright State President David R. Hopkins.

With a name like that, it may be a good idea to not hold the debate there.

http://presstv.ir/Detail/2016/07/19/475994/us-university-2016-presidential-election-debate-ohio-terrorism

On the other hand, it could be that the universe was trying to tell them something... :whstl:

Dreamtimer
19th July 2016, 23:40
Ervin J. Nutter was a 1950 graduate of the University of Kentucky who took $360 and started an engineering and manufacturing business that became a leader in making "sophisticated tubular assemblies for private, commercial and military jet engines." (Not clear why Wright State picked him to name their center after).

The mayor of Philadelphia was a Nutter. :whstl::p

bsbray
20th July 2016, 03:11
I went to the Nutter Center to watch DCI championships back in 2002. It's a big place and the lemonades are outrageously expensive.

http://eventimagecenter.com/350x200/350x200_60.jpg


If they actually held the debates there, you can imagine the memes that would be pouring out making fun of it.


My bad, it was WGI, not DCI. Here are some clips from it:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcGkw31mOLY


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYxOmft2xKU

They put up a curtain to block out at least half of the basketball court area because it was unnecessary space. The amount of precision that those performances require is nuts too. You might have nine or more snare drummers playing something blisteringly fast but it only sounds like 1 guy doing it.

Dreamtimer
20th July 2016, 16:17
Drumroll emoji?

modwiz
24th July 2016, 23:12
So, now the MSM is calling anyone who thinks a third world war, or confrontation with Russia is a bad idea, Putin's useful idiot. Since the MSM have a lot of people bamboozled into thinking Putin is all things evil and to be greatly feared, guilt by association is their ploy. Actually, this ploy is old hat for them but, using Putin as associate is a new meme for them with regards to sane people. Zerohedge has a good articles showing the redundancy of this meme.

Here are a few of them, if not most of them.:)

http://zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2016/07/21/useful%20idiot%205_0.jpg

http://zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2016/07/21/useful%20idiot%203.jpg

http://zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2016/07/21/useful%20idiot%202.jpg

http://zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2016/07/21/useful%20idiot%201.jpg

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-24/presenting-putins-useful-idiot-anyone-who-disagrees-establishment

modwiz
25th July 2016, 01:23
Hmm. What's shakin' with Hillary?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMHOcmDVBP0

Chester
25th July 2016, 04:50
that's freaky man - wow

bsbray
25th July 2016, 05:04
that's freaky man - wow

Frankly I hope we see a lot more of it. During the debates would be best.

Chester
25th July 2016, 06:25
From what I am hearing now - it was a real seizure. She has to be loaded up on seizure medication so that she can "shake 'em off" and recover and act like it was an intentional reaction... wow - imagine an embassy being attacked and she suddenly goes into seizure. Commander and Chief ? - wow.

More is coming - her private server was hacked - wikileaks has more to come folks...

EDIT: I moved the youtube to a thread in the news section (here (http://jandeane81.com/threads/9677-The-so-called-Free-Press-(MSM)-finally-busted-and-they-can-t-wiggle-off-the-hook-now?p=841954751#post841954751))

Chester
25th July 2016, 06:40
Hillary should have picked Simon for her running mate...

EDIT: wow - using English language Gematria we get...

s i m o n = 70

p a r k e s = 70

and look at the post number - haha

(Note: English language Gematria takes each letter of the alphabet and converts it to that letter's number in order of the alphabet - s = 19, i = 9, etc.)

jcocks
25th July 2016, 07:30
Could someone please explain what the difference between left wing and right wing politics is in the us nowadays, because i can't for the life of me figure it out anymore except for the little thing called obamacare. Come to think of it, even here in oz it can be difficult to ascertain at times, but it seems downright impossible in the us - at least to us outsiders.

modwiz
25th July 2016, 07:49
Could someone please explain what the difference between left wing and right wing politics is in the us nowadays, because i can't for the life of me figure it out anymore except for the little thing called obamacare. Come to think of it, even here in oz it can be difficult to ascertain at times, but it seems downright impossible in the us - at least to us outsiders.

No difference that I can define, except for using different "dog whistles". It is a form of pandering to different emotional responses. I think politics is a ridiculous concept. It is like having two or more heads on the same body. That is, schizophrenia or multiple personality disorder. Controllers find out what arguments people are having with each other, then dis-inform them even more and create conditions on the ground through legislation. Then they offer to solve their problems. In the end it is little more than the exploitation of people who cannot work out their disagreements amongst themselves. Dysfunction Junction.

The Flat Earth meme has brought to a focus this dynamic between people. Loving and understanding each other is the most important issue we face and it can be done on any shape of planet. However, that is not what is most important to people. Being right, too often takes precedence with too many of us. We make it about the individual consciousness rather than the collective need.:fpalm:

modwiz
25th July 2016, 08:18
Here is a video featuring cee eye ay director J. Brennan speaking about chemtrails in weasel word language. His tone of voice is something to listen to. It is what a psychopath sounds like.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-U78tSRNVA

Dreamtimer
25th July 2016, 14:33
That's a good one, Modwiz. Thanks.

modwiz
25th July 2016, 21:20
As if we needed more proof that the MSM does not work in a coordinated meme producing fashion. Just look at the use of the word "dark" in every headline about D. Trump's speech at the RNC.

Disclaimer: I am no fan of Trump. Although news of his death would not make me smile. Hillary, on the other hand......:whstl:

https://www.theautomaticearth.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/HeadlinesDarkTrump550.jpg

Maggie
26th July 2016, 15:12
Corpse Flower Cam at NYBG

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Right now, workers at the New York Botanical Garden (NYBG) are eagerly awaiting the noxious bloom of their corpse flower, which they've been tending to since 2007. The official name of the plant is Amorphophallus titanum, or Titan-Arum. That large structure that you see on the camera isn't actually a flower, but an inflorescence –– a large structure that holds the flowers deep inside. When the inflorescence blooms, (something that is expected any day now by the NYBG) the flowers will start to release a stench that has been described as rotten flesh. It's nasty to us, but really attractive to scavenger insects that the plant relies on for pollination.
A Titan-Arum usually takes about 4 or 5 years to bloom, if not longer, and this is the first Titan-Arum to bloom at the NYBG since 1939.THE NEW YORK BOTANICAL GARDEN'S CORPSE FLOWER IS ABOUT TO BLOOM (http://www.popsci.com/new-york-botanical-gardens-corpse-flower-is-about-to-bloom)

https://dudo6el28sqqp.cloudfront.net/gothamistgallery/2016/7/25/80e2fecfaimg_0584-jpg-square.jpeg

http://www.nybg.org/images/exhibitions/2016/life-cycle_titan-arum.jpg

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bsbray
27th July 2016, 19:15
Could someone please explain what the difference between left wing and right wing politics is in the us nowadays, because i can't for the life of me figure it out anymore except for the little thing called obamacare. Come to think of it, even here in oz it can be difficult to ascertain at times, but it seems downright impossible in the us - at least to us outsiders.

Before Trump, the Neocons ("neo-conservatives") of the Bush era had a lot in common with the Democratic party. Trump basically rewrote the Republican platform single-handedly with his closing speech at the Republican National Convention, the one that all media branded as "dark" as modwiz's post shows on the previous page. So with him the platform is not going to be the same as before, because he is taking some deviations to allow for more tolerance for gay rights and pulling out of deals that aren't benefiting the US, including potentially NATO itself. Dark for them, I'm sure, since the only "dark" things Trump pointed out were the problems in the US today, many of which go unacknowledged by MSM, as they must think the way things are going today is just beautiful. Clinton should change her party name to the Globalist party, or Wall Street Whore party, because that's what she's representing at this point.

Traditionally the right wing in American politics is supposed to stand for low taxes, minimum of interference in regulating businesses (though Teddy Roosevelt emphasized how important it is to break up monopolies, something that just isn't done anymore), minimum of federal government micro-managing everything in life, allowing more room for states and local governments to make decisions, maintaining a strong military, and generally promoting or appealing to Protestant values. The attitude toward the poor is that they should work harder for what they want in life, but should also have good opportunities for work.

The left wing traditionally stands for more government social and welfare-type programs to subsidize the poor, which requires higher taxes, more regulation and interference in business, more micro-managing laws that could be left to states and local governments, cutting military spending, and generally pushing progressive values that often conflict with traditional Protestant values, until said Protestant values drift over time and the "new normal" is established. The attitude toward the poor is that they should be given free money until they're not poor anymore.


Some very ugly things have come out of both platforms. Especially under the Bush and Obama administration both parties have been working together to combine the worst of their respective parties and just make the US a serious mess. Corporations are running amok totally unregulated, making billions in profit and paying $0.00 in annual taxes. Companies like Microsoft and Google, among others, have held monopolies on parts of the market that the governments refuses to or cannot break up. The welfare state has destroyed inner cities, with single moms popping out baby after baby for free government money and living off of it for years, sometimes decades, raising kids without dads or any kind of guidance in life except the lesson that it's okay to take other peoples' money and do nothing for it. Our military has been running all over the world destroying and replacing regimes. Constitutional rights are being eroded. Manufacturing jobs are being shipped off overseas, and instead of trying to discourage this, the US government passes laws like NAFTA that just helps them move to foreign countries even faster.


Speaking of the welfare system, here's an interview with a woman exemplifying the typical mentality it produces:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrCkK0pCLVI

modwiz
27th July 2016, 19:48
I just finished listening to Trump's news conference. Listening to him as a human and not a presidential candidate, he was about as clear thinking and speaking as I could ask for. He answered questions and re-directed Putin/hacking questions as a diversion from the real issue. What was said in the emails. In other words, he put the focus on the real scandal, what was said by our politicians and not about a still questionable hacker. The questions reveal the "tasking" these news critters have to fulfill for their paychecks. Trump took those questions and turned them into gold by not getting caught up in their narrative and creating his won. One that I could "hear".

He also mentioned how Hillary and Kaine are big proponents of TTP but, now that they know it is unpopular they are weaseling their words and saying they don't really support it. Trump made it clear they are just saying it to get elected and then is is biz as usual. It was an unusually refreshing press briefing.

modwiz
27th July 2016, 23:26
Since there hasn't been a new post in over three hours I guess anything will do at this point. So, things to ponder.

Police have a motto "To serve and protect" or the other way around. Since they were created in the 1800's to put down riots of people protesting abuse by business and goobermint alike, they clrarly serve and protect those who formed them.

Criminal Justice System. A justice system run by criminals.

They put it in our face but, we do not see it.

Aragorn
27th July 2016, 23:36
Slashdot (http://slashdot.org) has an interesting new poll this week. I'm not sure on how long the poll will be open for voting — I'm guessing it's about two weeks, but their polls used to be shorter-lived — and the results are definitely bound to change over time because this is still a brand-new poll. Either way, the current poll is titled "If the United States presidential elections were held today, I would vote for..." (https://slashdot.org/poll/2997/if-the-united-states-presidential-election-were-held-today-i-would-vote-for), and here-below are the results of the 1093 votes so far as I'm typing this...:







Donald Trump
Hillary Clinton
Jill Stein
Gary Johnson
Other (specified in the comments)
I would not vote
Cowboy Neal (mock choice in every Slashdot poll)



18%
29%
6%
16%
4%
9%
14%




The way I personally see it, Jill Stein and Gary Johnson are both least likely to ever make it to the White House in the bipartisan system, given that certain Acronymian states do not allow voting for Independent candidates. So in practice, that would leave only Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton. Now, I don't exactly like Donald Trump, but I am thoroughly shocked by the number of idiots who would be willing to have Hillary Clinton for president, given that she's...


a felon;
an obvious psychopath; and
hell-bent on starting a nuclear war in the Middle East.


:shocked:

modwiz
27th July 2016, 23:46
Slashdot (http://slashdot.org) has an interesting new poll this week. I'm not sure on how long the poll will be open for voting — I'm guessing it's about two weeks, but their polls used to be shorter-lived — and the results are definitely bound to change over time because this is still a brand-new poll. Either way, the current poll is titled "If the United States presidential elections were held today, I would vote for..." (https://slashdot.org/poll/2997/if-the-united-states-presidential-election-were-held-today-i-would-vote-for), and here-below are the results of the 1093 votes so far as I'm typing this...:







Donald Trump
Hillary Clinton
Jill Stein
Gary Johnson
Other (specified in the comments)
I would not vote
Cowboy Neal (mock choice in every Slashdot poll)



18%
29%
6%
16%
4%
9%
14%




The way I personally see it, Jill Stein and Gary Johnson are both least likely to ever make it to the White House in the bipartisan system, given that certain Acronymian states do not allow voting for Independent candidates. So in practice, that would leave only Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton. Now, I don't exactly like Donald Trump, but I am thoroughly shocked by the number of idiots who would be willing to have Hillary Clinton for president, given that she's...


a felon;
an obvious psychopath; and
hell-bent on starting a nuclear war in the Middle East.


:shocked:

Based on some other polling a large portion of that 29% is women. Of course, it would be politically incorrect to suggest that bloc is voting emotionally.:hiding::ha:

Men thanking this post might find themselves sleeping on the couch instead of hiding behind it.:dan:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLnPd7lzT4g

Aragorn
28th July 2016, 00:30
[...] Men thanking this post might find themselves sleeping on the couch instead of hiding behind it.:dan:


I can afford to thank your post because I'm not a US Acronymian and I live alone anyway, so I've got the whole bed to myself. :p

Anyway, the poll now already has 1441 votes, and these are the results so far...:







Donald Trump
Hillary Clinton
Jill Stein
Gary Johnson
Other (specified in the comments)
I would not vote
Cowboy Neal (mock choice in every Slashdot poll)



19%
30%
6%
16%
3%
9%
13%




A slight advance for both Hillary and Trump, a status quo for Jill and Johnson, fewer alternatives suggested in the comment section, and Cowboy Neal loses a bit too. :p

Aianawa
28th July 2016, 00:49
Lol but Jill is just getting noticed, just beginning to get support from x Berns, just starting to be heard, just having her 42 million student debters jubilee strategy or promise as such, be received, I feel an honest poll in a few weeks time will reveal over ten percent green then onto 15 and will be interesting to see what the pidjeons make of this cat, oh and being a woman will definitely help Jill imo.

bsbray
28th July 2016, 18:09
I just finished listening to Trump's news conference. Listening to him as a human and not a presidential candidate, he was about as clear thinking and speaking as I could ask for.

That's one of the things that makes me most comfortable with this guy. He doesn't even try to sound like a politician like all these well-groomed people we see in suits all day on TV, speaking in careful and politically correct language. He just sounds like a guy who says whatever is on his mind regardless if it's against the party platform or if its politically incorrect or whatever.

When he went to Roanoke recently, the rally was in the Hotel Roanoke when the heat index was something like 105 F outside (~40.5 C), and it was hot inside the building and people were sweating and fanning themselves in the audience. Trump started complaining about the hotel not having its air conditioning on to save money, and that he doesn't pay his bills when he gets poor service. I thought that was funny, and another example of him being very blunt about what he's thinking. He went on about it for a while.

bsbray
28th July 2016, 18:14
Now, I don't exactly like Donald Trump, but I am thoroughly shocked by the number of idiots who would be willing to have Hillary Clinton for president

If it makes you feel any better, the latest national poll here has Trump leading against Hillary nationally.

This page lays out a lot of data: http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/#now

Remember it isn't just the popular vote count, but the state-by-state electoral college process that determines the president. State electors all vote for one candidate or the other based on who got the most popular votes in their state.

The One
28th July 2016, 18:30
Slashdot (http://slashdot.org) has an interesting new poll this week. I'm not sure on how long the poll will be open for voting — I'm guessing it's about two weeks, but their polls used to be shorter-lived — and the results are definitely bound to change over time because this is still a brand-new poll. Either way, the current poll is titled "If the United States presidential elections were held today, I would vote for..." (https://slashdot.org/poll/2997/if-the-united-states-presidential-election-were-held-today-i-would-vote-for), and here-below are the results of the 1093 votes so far as I'm typing this...:







Donald Trump
Hillary Clinton
Jill Stein
Gary Johnson
Other (specified in the comments)
I would not vote
Cowboy Neal (mock choice in every Slashdot poll)



18%
29%
6%
16%
4%
9%
14%




The way I personally see it, Jill Stein and Gary Johnson are both least likely to ever make it to the White House in the bipartisan system, given that certain Acronymian states do not allow voting for Independent candidates. So in practice, that would leave only Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton. Now, I don't exactly like Donald Trump, but I am thoroughly shocked by the number of idiots who would be willing to have Hillary Clinton for president, given that she's...


a felon;
an obvious psychopath; and
hell-bent on starting a nuclear war in the Middle East.


:shocked:

For me polls are just another way for the media to confuse the masses.

Here in the UK most of the polls showed that the UK would remain in the EU.Just how wrong was they.I am sure they do it on purpose.

Dreamtimer
28th July 2016, 21:01
If it makes you feel any better, the latest national poll here has Trump leading against Hillary nationally.

This page lays out a lot of data: http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/#now

Remember it isn't just the popular vote count, but the state-by-state electoral college process that determines the president. State electors all vote for one candidate or the other based on who got the most popular votes in their state.

Nate Silver knows his numbers. I pay attention to fivethirtyeight analyses.

PurpleLama
29th July 2016, 18:20
I watched a few excerpts from Hitlery's big speech last night, it left me with nasty creepy crawly sensations.

Aragorn
30th July 2016, 20:43
Slashdot (http://slashdot.org) has an interesting new poll this week. I'm not sure on how long the poll will be open for voting — I'm guessing it's about two weeks, but their polls used to be shorter-lived — and the results are definitely bound to change over time because this is still a brand-new poll. Either way, the current poll is titled "If the United States presidential elections were held today, I would vote for..." (https://slashdot.org/poll/2997/if-the-united-states-presidential-election-were-held-today-i-would-vote-for), and here-below are the results of the 1093 votes so far as I'm typing this...:







Donald Trump
Hillary Clinton
Jill Stein
Gary Johnson
Other (specified in the comments)
I would not vote
Cowboy Neal (mock choice in every Slashdot poll)



18%
29%
6%
16%
4%
9%
14%






[...] the poll now already has 1441 votes, and these are the results so far...:







Donald Trump
Hillary Clinton
Jill Stein
Gary Johnson
Other (specified in the comments)
I would not vote
Cowboy Neal (mock choice in every Slashdot poll)



19%
30%
6%
16%
3%
9%
13%





Thought I'd post an update on these statistics, now that the poll's been around for a couple of days already. So here are the latest results, with 13'109 votes having come in so far....:







Donald Trump
Hillary Clinton
Jill Stein
Gary Johnson
Other (specified in the comments)
I would not vote
Cowboy Neal (mock choice in every Slashdot poll)



23%
30%
6%
14%
3%
8%
13%




So Hillary Clinton is still leading, Donald Trump has gained 4% since my last check — see the quoted section here-above. Gary Johnson has lost 2% — the gap between Johnson and Trump was only 2% when the poll started off, and now it's 9% already. Jill Stein and the mock choice Cowboy Neal are both at a status quo, and the number of people who said that they wouldn't vote in the presidential elections has dropped.

It is strange that Jill Stein appears to be the least successful of the four candidates, given that Slashdot is a techno-geeky and environmentally conscious community. But at the same time, one does not have to be registered as a member at Slashdot in order to be able to vote in their polls, or even to post on their forum. Still, it's really weird that Hillary would be leading by such a huge margin and has already been leading from the moment that the poll was started, especially in light of how even the mainstream media continue to expose her for her criminal actions.

Given how the number of votes at the time of my writing this is now about the tenfold of what it was when I first posted those results here, it doesn't look like Hillary will be losing her leading position. Trump will probably still be gaining a few percents, but I don't believe he'll manage to overtake The Wicked Witch™.

:hmm:

Aragorn
1st August 2016, 05:58
Another update... With now 16329 votes having come in, the results are as follows...:







Donald Trump
Hillary Clinton
Jill Stein
Gary Johnson
Other (specified in the comments)
I would not vote
Cowboy Neal (mock choice in every Slashdot poll)



22%
32%
6%
14%
3%
8%
12%




So Trump has lost a bit and Hillary keeps on climbing. Jill Stein and Gary Johnson keep on dwelling in oblivion. Better start getting those nuclear shelters ready and telling any friends you have in Iran to leave the country.

:fpalm:

Dreamtimer
1st August 2016, 14:55
Nuclear Shelter? How 'bout a bucket list plan? Let's party like it's 1999!

bsbray
1st August 2016, 22:15
Actual national polls here in the US are going to be a lot different than this slashdot poll. I mean aside from giving us a peak into the thoughts of some slashdot members, it really isn't going to tell you much else. Even the best polling companies here in the US are having trouble gauging the real pulse of Americans right now, because the situation is so disturbed and changing from week to week.

The best they can figure is that Trump and Hillary are pretty even nationally and that 3rd party candidates are going to have an unpredictable effect because they may not even make it onto the ballot in all states.

Aragorn
5th August 2016, 22:52
Another update on the Slashdot poll (https://slashdot.org/poll/2997/if-the-united-states-presidential-election-were-held-today-i-would-vote-for), now with 29385 votes having come in...







Donald Trump
Hillary Clinton
Jill Stein
Gary Johnson
Other (specified in the comments)
I would not vote
Cowboy Neal (mock choice in every Slashdot poll)



21%
32%
5%
15%
3%
8%
12%




Seems like Jill Stein has lost 1% to Gary Johnson. Everything else is pretty much the same. Yesterday, Hillary briefly peaked at 33% for a few hours, but then she dropped back down to 32%. Nevertheless, she's been leading all throughout the poll.

Aianawa
5th August 2016, 23:08
Rigged, bought and paid for Rigged, the poll above that is. I put it on my Favs and continued watching, if not rigged within, is being rigged without imo.

Aragorn
5th August 2016, 23:57
Rigged, bought and paid for Rigged, the poll above that is. I put it on my Favs and continued watching, if not rigged within, is being rigged without imo.

I don't believe that it would have been be rigged, but at the same time, it's probably not accurate as a representation of how the citizens of the USA currently feel about their presidential candidates.

Slashdot is a very small community, not all too dissimilar from how we here are part of the alternative community. Slashdot isn't part of the alternative community, but it's a very US-centered community of geeks with a focus on technology — mainly IT, but other areas are also covered — which means that not everyone in the grander mainstream will even be aware of Slashdot's existence.

So I do not think that the poll would have been rigged. But skewed, yes, that it probably is. ;)

Aianawa
6th August 2016, 00:11
Okay, cheers, so is there a fair poll as such in usa ?.

Aragorn
6th August 2016, 00:26
Okay, cheers, so is there a fair poll as such in usa ?.

That, you would have to ask an Acronymian — I myself am a Ewwropean. :p :ttr:

Dreamtimer
6th August 2016, 04:17
I don't think there is a single fair poll that I could point to. I prefer a meta-analysis type of approach. At Fivethirtyeight they analyze polls and give three types of forecast: if the election was held today, polls alone, and polls combined with historical data. bsbray linked to the site already.

While people, and the media I suppose, were so sure Hillary would win against Obama, Nate Silver's Fivethirtyeight was showing how Obama was getting the delegates and heading for the presidency. I wasn't shocked like so many were. There was also a professor from Emory University who predicted the election results very accurately and Markos, et al, over at Daily Kos also had it right.

Who could predict that a president would get appointed to his second term by his majority in the Supreme Court? No poll that I know of...

Aianawa
6th August 2016, 04:19
Oh no, more confusion, appears August may provide confusion within, feel the differing polls, usually media or media connected will be obvious in their communication abuse this time round.

modwiz
6th August 2016, 06:39
I don't think there is a single fair poll that I could point to. I prefer a meta-analysis type of approach. At Fivethirtyeight they analyze polls and give three types of forecast: if the election was held today, polls alone, and polls combined with historical data. bsbray linked to the site already.

While people, and the media I suppose, were so sure Hillary would run against Obama, Nate Silver's Fivethirtyeight was showing how Obama was getting the delegates and heading for the presidency. I wasn't shocked like so many were. There was also a professor from Emory University who predicted the election results very accurately and Markos, et al, over at Daily Kos also had it right.

Who could predict that a president would get appointed to his second term by his majority in the Supreme Court? No poll that I know of...

Nate Silver is always a place to keep an eye on, as it is very dynamic. Trump was ahead about 10 days ago an now he is less than 20%. This is a poll to look at daily, IMO. Not that is is necessarily true.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

modwiz
8th August 2016, 06:22
I really like this quote from John Adams, second president of the USA. Not particularly uplifting but as someone said, the truth will upset you before it sets you free. The ToT censor will not allow to to write the original. The asterisks would make it look goofy and possible unintelligible.


” Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide. It is vain to say that democracy is less vain, less proud, less selfish, less ambitious and less avaricious than aristocracy or monarchy. It is not true in fact and nowhere appears in history. Those passions are the same in all men, under all forms of simple government, and when unchecked, produce the same effects of fraud, violence and cruelty. When clear prospects are opened before vanity, pride, avarice or ambition for their easy gratification, it is hard for the most considerate philosophers and most conscientious moralists to resist temptation.”

Citizens are responsible for who they appoint. Cults of personality will not get the job done. Special interest groups should be an obvious incongruity to the common good.

modwiz
8th August 2016, 07:12
Oh the things that can be caught on an infra-red camera. Somebody let loose with a Hillary.:ha: If only she would dissipate as quickly.:fpalm:

https://media.giphy.com/media/nAh0ynkho8sko/giphy-downsized-large.gif

Aianawa
8th August 2016, 07:16
Love it lol.

Dreamtimer
8th August 2016, 07:21
That one may have been deadly, but by the looks of the velocity it was not entirely silent.::rolleyes:

I've often wondered how a flatus would appear to the eye...

modwiz
13th August 2016, 23:43
Here is a good one. Germany's president declares "The elite are not the problem, the people are". He got an appropriately "warm" reception in the streets of Germany.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gd5TPWXgOFQ

Aianawa
13th August 2016, 23:52
Have heard it many times, Germany is more brainwashed than USA, seen it for myself while there but just like everywhere else, inner strength and remembering plus herstory. Is happening. IMO keep watching the main role model, the Rus

modwiz
15th August 2016, 09:49
I found two separate videos regarding the EQ in Ecuador and especially the one on May 18, 2016. If you start listening at the 6:30 part he mentions it with a very short video of the "rods of God" coming in. He say these normally kinetic weapons had small nukes on them to generate the EQ, and then has a picture of what the device looks like. This will give one an idea to visualize with. It is the same one in the video thumbnail showing. One can just look at that and watch the short video to get a quick idea of this.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJgDMGIqSzQ

In the second very short video, someone videos a "fireball" streaking through the sky just before the EQ occurs. I think it is an incoming 'rod of God' streaking through the atmosphere with the attendant friction of re-entry.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGEMi2WGCBY

The USA is a demon run country.

PurpleLama
18th August 2016, 15:35
http://abcnewsgo.co/2016/08/abc-live-poll-who-are-you-voting-for/

Trump 70% as I am posting this, Johnson and Stein tied at 11% and Hillary trailing at 8%. How in the hell are they gonna spin this one?! Haha! 144,148 votes as of this posting.

It took me a few minutes to notice the .co instead of .com in the web address. It isn't ABC, so it's possible, or even likely, the results are fake.

Aragorn
18th August 2016, 22:58
http://abcnewsgo.co/2016/08/abc-live-poll-who-are-you-voting-for/

Trump 70% as I am posting this, Johnson and Stein tied at 11% and Hillary trailing at 8%. How in the hell are they gonna spin this one?! Haha! 144,148 votes as of this posting.

It took me a few minutes to notice the .co instead of .com in the web address. It isn't ABC, so it's possible, or even likely, the results are fake.

According to the (now closed) poll at Slashdot (https://slashdot.org/poll/2997/if-the-united-states-presidential-election-were-held-today-i-would-vote-for) — in which 47873 people voted — the results would now be...







Donald Trump
Hillary Clinton
Jill Stein
Gary Johnson
Other (specified in the comments)
I would not vote
Cowboy Neal (mock choice in every Slashdot poll)



21%
33%
5%
15%
3%
8%
13%




Granted, Slashdot is somewhat of a niche audience, but still, I think that these figures would be nearer to the mark. :hmm:

Aianawa
18th August 2016, 23:04
imo laughable, you will not get a true poll reading, there is huge thunder clouds politicalllly a coming to usa, has to be, is, why ?, to many people have stopped listening and started hearing.

modwiz
18th August 2016, 23:17
As I was speaking to my GMoP group today, have to get back too, about Hillary being a warmonger and the message it sends to the world. Hillary is saying things she thinks her voters want to hear. By continuing to support her and not protesting her belligerence, the people who support her are culpable for her words. This message is damaging the image of Americans. By supporting her, they create no distance or difference between themselves and a psychopath. There will be little pity for what befalls them as things go forward.

Aianawa
18th August 2016, 23:30
Still believe she is toast, now Trumps vp is getting bad headlines also, the 3rd parties will get exsposure, so if this Johnson fella is not legit, we will see the msm raise him and if not, ignore.

modwiz
19th August 2016, 01:28
Well, some of the favorite democrats show their colors in a proposed legislation regarding climate change "deniers". Most notable of the supporting senators are Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders. Such legislation is clearly a violation of the USA's first amendment.


Nineteen U.S. senators are working to destroy free speech and silence dissent, defying the Constitution they swore to defend and uphold. Senators Harry Reid, Tim Kaine, Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders and fifteen other Democrats took to the Senate floor last month to demonize their ‘enemies list’ of fossil fuel companies, think tanks and journalists for having the temerity to disagree with their views. They are also proposing a Congressional Resolution to formally disapprove of the actions of those who disagree with them. Climate change happens to be the subject of their action, but the topic is irrelevant. As President Harry Truman, himself a Democrat, said, “Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of increasingly repressive measures, until it becomes a source of terror to all its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear.”


The Daily Signal reports, “This comes on top of U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch admitting that the Justice Department is discussing the possibility of pursing civil actions against climate change deniers, and that she has already referred it to the FBI to consider whether or not it meets the criteria for which federal law enforcement could take action.”


https://kansaspolicy.org/19-u-s-senators-promoting-tyranny/

Rebel&Rocket
19th August 2016, 08:42
Such legislation is clearly a violation of the USA's first amendment.

A group of Democrats that use their words instead of hit men to shut people up. That's an improvement, isn't it?

The choice of words in that snippet of the article is actually pretty funny. That group are no heroes themselves, but it doesn't directly state their transgressions - it simply accuses them of demonizing their opposition. Sounds more like juvenile playground fighting amongst 2 different factions within the party. No, it doesn't matter what the topic is, but it just so happens that Killary is very tight with the oil industry.

I think you're looking at it from a higher perspective (the relevant one) that they just aren't capable of. It's like watching your parents go through a big fight. You know divorce is coming and it'll be messy, but you can't wait to get through it so you don't have to watch them battle anymore - willing to take down whoever (or whatever, including the Constitution) they have to just to win.

modwiz
26th August 2016, 09:25
Time to wake this thread up again with some good geo-political analysis and the hot ticket, IMO, is the Russo-Turkish detente. I have been finding great articles and videos at a new favorite site katehon.com and here is a brilliant look at the rapidly changing world in the Middle East. So much given in under 7 minutes. Just great stuff.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgVRenCJu2I

modwiz
27th August 2016, 04:26
We know Hillary is physically compromised, as this photo of her needing a stepstool to get into a car demonstrates. But..........what is with the wide pigeon-toed stance of the guy on the left?

Looking like a clown show.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cqt1WTPWcAEm_L4.jpg

bsbray
27th August 2016, 06:33
He's been watching James Brown, modwiz.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zdz88MBWomo

modwiz
27th August 2016, 06:41
He's been watching James Brown, modwiz.



I had thought of Monty Python and the Ministry of Silly Walks. Warming up, of course.

Or, maybe needing a potty break. Real bad.:ha:

Novusod
27th August 2016, 07:49
We know Hillary is physically compromised, as this photo of her needing a stepstool to get into a car demonstrates. But..........what is with the wide pigeon-toed stance of the guy on the left?

Looking like a clown show.


Hillary may be above man's laws but it is unlikely Shiva will accept her get out of jail free card.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/69/1f/c4/691fc464611e9d7ee26f60b8b0da2b95.jpg

Shiv means to cut as in the role of the third fate of cutting the string of life. Atropos the unturning will not be swayed.

Rebel&Rocket
27th August 2016, 08:35
I had thought of Monty Python and the Ministry of Silly Walks.

Lol. That's closer to my thought...."Oh, look! Mr. Bean is Secret Service now!"

modwiz
27th August 2016, 08:43
Lol. That's closer to my thought...."Oh, look! Mr. Bean is Secret Service now!"

Mr. Bean. You nailed it.:thup:

modwiz
28th August 2016, 07:53
Here is a good, short youtube clip featuring part of a Jill Stein interview on PBS. Apparently, PBS cut portions of the interview on the TV broadcast and youtube video of it. Here, we can see the segment in full with the removed parts in red.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvqdl_CGCGk

modwiz
4th September 2016, 22:39
This picture from the G-20 summit is full of meaning. Obama cannot fathom being left out of a conversation with a NATO ally. His advisers keep telling him he represents and exceptional nation. The two men behind and to Obama's left (right from our perspective) are looking at him curiously. Kinda like, "Have some class, dude. You look like a kid who wasn't picked to play in a game".

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2016/09/01/20160904_caption.jpg

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-04/caption-contest-whatcha-talkin-bout-putin

The USA is headed in a losing direction and it is because its populace is distracted and clueless. Ron Paul is the only candidate that ever addressed the real problem with America and that is the Fed. Almost all problems are in some way connected to that institution. If Americans knew their own history they would know the perils of this institution have been spoken of since the founding of the nation. Many founding fathers spoke of it. It is not a modern conspiracy theory. Of course, the fed is just a tool of a parasitic class and method that has haunted nations going back to Egypt.

Aianawa
4th September 2016, 23:03
He looks like he is doing what he has been doing for a while, looking at Putin and going, what's he doing now.

modwiz
4th September 2016, 23:45
He looks like he is doing what he has been doing for a while, looking at Putin and going, what's he doing now.


As long as the USA thinks it is the leader of the world, they will find themselves increasing left out of the picture. The arrogance and demon driven agenda is running up against a world that wishes to operate a little closer to the Creator and sharing. When the population gets over themselves and wants to share with others, the change will begin. Right now, political correctness dominates the psychological landscape. That and entertainment.

Aragorn
5th September 2016, 00:53
This picture from the G-20 summit is full of meaning. [...]

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2016/09/01/20160904_caption.jpg


As long as the USA thinks it is the leader of the world, they will find themselves increasing left out of the picture. The arrogance and demon driven agenda is running up against a world that wishes to operate a little closer to the Creator and sharing. When the population gets over themselves and wants to share with others, the change will begin. [...]

Given that they have one of the greatest demons and vampires standing right there with them — second from the left in the last row — that may still take a while. I'm actually surprised that she's in that picture, just as I'm equally surprised that David Rockefeller is not. :hmm:

:fpalm:

modwiz
11th September 2016, 05:03
Another one bites the dust but, there are still screaming supporters for Hillary. Putting a women into the POTUS is important for a lot of that gender, as well as the gender ambiguous.

Breaking News: DC Explosion Leaves Key Hillary Clinton Witness DEAD!!!

http://www.uspoliticslive.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/9b84da82-eee9-4cca-ab68-4fb144f511ce-large16x9_Screenshot20160811at1.02.47AM-640x360.jpg


At least two people were found dead and several more heavily injured in a DC explosion that happened early this morning – officials said.

Assistant Chief Russ Hamill of the Montgomery County Police told reporters Friday that two bodies were found in the ashes of an old building and several more were heavily injured, after an explosion leveled an apartment building early this morning. The scene will be handled as a death investigation said Russ.

The identity of one of the victims is yet to be published but the speculators are saying that it belongs to a key witness against the Clintons.

http://www.uspoliticslive.com/2016/09/10/breaking-news-dc-explosion-leaves-key-hillary-clinton-witness-dead/

modwiz
11th September 2016, 06:25
I know Simon Parkes is held in disgust by many and respect people for that because enough information has come out to justify such a view. The few times he comes up here, people weigh in and the subject drops, as it should. Discussing people is the sign of small minds. That is not to say people are not to ever be discussed but, that a focus on people (gossip or truth related) produces little fruit. With that said, it looks like things are heating up over at PA with SP as the focus. Interesting to watch but, it requires a strong stomach.:vom:

My videos are outright banned over at PA and they never have brought that forum up in discussions. It is simple, my face is not allowed in Mr. Hat's "living room". Lebensraum, anyone? SP can be posted but, the guardians come out. So, at PA, I am considered even worse than SP. Giovanni found out when he posted my videos when they first came out. It was never a discussion in the forum, and most people there do not know of my "crimes".:ttr:

So in conclusion, SP is considered an unsavory fellow who used his celebrity to get some tail that people should not post videos of but, they can. SP never said anything bad about the Hat and so is not officially banned. I dared to speak poorly of the Hat and earned a permanent ban. How's that for priorities?

So glad we have the Shire.

The One
11th September 2016, 10:43
Another one bites the dust but, there are still screaming supporters for Hillary. Putting a women into the POTUS is important for a lot of that gender, as well as the gender ambiguous.

Breaking News: DC Explosion Leaves Key Hillary Clinton Witness DEAD!!!

http://www.uspoliticslive.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/9b84da82-eee9-4cca-ab68-4fb144f511ce-large16x9_Screenshot20160811at1.02.47AM-640x360.jpg



http://www.uspoliticslive.com/2016/09/10/breaking-news-dc-explosion-leaves-key-hillary-clinton-witness-dead/

What is the credibility of Scopes check it out here http://www.snopes.com/early-morning-explosion-in-dc-allegedly-leaves-yet-another-dnc-staffer-dead/

modwiz
11th September 2016, 16:56
What is the credibility of Scopes check it out here http://www.snopes.com/early-morning-explosion-in-dc-allegedly-leaves-yet-another-dnc-staffer-dead/

Thanks, Malc.

modwiz
11th September 2016, 20:09
Look at this short video and see how incapacitated Hillary is. Sorry Neocons, ladies and LGBT's, she is not fit for the job. Despite assistance, she basically falls into the van.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aki6xZCo0Fw

modwiz
11th September 2016, 20:23
Same basic video as above but, with a new twist. Some kind of metal cartridge falls out of Hillary's pant leg. You can hear it in the first part and then close-ups show what is making the noise. This is the creepiest candidate for president ever. And, in this two person race, (sorry Jill, zombies and exceptional people will not recognize you) taking the creepy prize is saying something.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzZl9j580tM

Aragorn
11th September 2016, 20:43
Same basic video as above but, with a new twist. Some kind of metal cartridge falls out of Hillary's pant leg. You can hear it in the first part and then close-ups show what is making the noise. This is the creepiest candidate for president ever. And, in this two person race, (sorry Jill, zombies and exceptional people will not recognize you) taking the creepy prize is saying something.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzZl9j580tM

Maybe it was a short circuit and her battery pack fell out? :p I mean, androids do require power, you know. :ttr: :ha:

jimmer
11th September 2016, 21:36
here's the event close-up, 3-ways...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vz7exKdXsLM

modwiz
11th September 2016, 23:28
And now the MSM is covering the Hillary story and their blarney is revolting. Some women is even implying it is sexist. This video has not new footage but, it does cover the cover-up better. In a recent Rense video with Jordan Maxwell, he states that she has made a pact that she cannot back out of and it is why she is so desperate to deliver. She must get elected or she will make some very nasty people unhappy. Apparently, people even nastier than Hillary herself. Anybody smelling sulfur?:hmm:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXX6XZuV4zI&feature=youtu.be

modwiz
12th September 2016, 00:05
A little more from Zerohedge. Hillary has pneumonia.

Story Changes Again, Now Hillary's Doctor Claims She Has Pneumonia

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2016/09/07/20160911_faint.jpg


As CBS writes, Hillary's campaign did not immediately explain why the Democratic nominee did not reveal the pneumonia diagnosis prior to the Sunday incident, raising questions of transparency.

This is what her spox said earlier: “Secretary Clinton attended the September 11th Commemoration Ceremony for just an hour and thirty minutes this morning to pay her respects and greet some of the families of the fallen,” Clinton campaign spokesperson Nick Merrill said in a statement Sunday morning. “During the ceremony, she felt overheated so departed to go to her daughter’s apartment, and is feeling much better.” We read it twice: no mention of pneumonia.

So when the entire Clinton campaign fell like a ton of bricks on anyone hinting the presidential candidate was unwell after her dramatic coughing fits last week, what word best describes this? And them why did it take two days since Friday for this Doctor Bardack to reveal Clinton's medical condition?


Four more questions:

Hillary made her infamous "basket of deplorables" comments at a Barbra Streisand fundraiser on Friday night - the same night she was supposedly diagnosed with pneumonia: why go to a fundraiser if sick, especially since pneumonia is contagious.
Hillary has had a nasty, documented cough since January - why did it take 9 months to diagnose this?
If Hillary has pneumonia, and passed out at an event, - why was she taken to her daughter's apartment and not a hospital? After all, she was as of today aware of her Friday diagnosis.
After coming out of Chelsea's apartment, why did Hillary says she "felt great" - as of this morning she was aware she had Pneumonia; why not admit the truth for once to the public?

This story smells so bad, that even the left-leaning media is upset at the Clinton campaign:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-11/hillarys-doctor-releases-statement

PurpleLama
12th September 2016, 00:15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22x04yDk5yw&feature=youtu.be

A dark journalist interview of JP Farrell on the topic of occult elections, published today. I haven't listened yet, but DJ and JPF need little in the way of vetting as theirs is always top quality content. I will likely listen tomorrow, and I will check back in for any commentary.

Mods, feel free to embed, by phone resists the procedure.

modwiz
12th September 2016, 00:32
https://youtu.be/22x04yDk5yw

A dark journalist interview of JP Farrell on the topic of occult elections, published today. I haven't listened yet, but DJ and JPF need little in the way of vetting as theirs is always top quality content. I will likely listen tomorrow, and I will check back in for any commentary.

Mods, feel free to embed, by phone resists the procedure.

I was checking ToT before going off to listen to this video. I already have it cued up on YT and will listen to it now. Thanks for the post. I just finished reading Genes, Giants, Monsters and Men, in two nights. Grid of the Gods will get ordered this week.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22x04yDk5yw

Dreamtimer
12th September 2016, 11:18
What did you think of the book, Modwiz? I'm interested in your thoughts in light of the recent interviews you've posted.

modwiz
12th September 2016, 13:42
What did you think of the book, Modwiz? I'm interested in your thoughts in light of the recent interviews you've posted.

It is a fascinating book with lots of good scholarship to assist me in condensing a greater story to tell in my videos as I attempt to galvanize people into action toward new paradign production. I wish to help empower people in realizing their true worth and really bring to crystallization the poin that the only value on this planet is people, their creativity and labor. However, there is a caveat. That is organization and coordination of our collective. The internet provides the means the only thing lacking is will and purpose. Shelley and I are working on a plan of inspiration and coordination.

Joseph's work compliments the Newearth series in ways that bring depth and information to provide a synthesizing of it all into a greater picture. That greater picture is the greatness of our legacy and revealing that their is also a humanitarian branch of the Survivors who were willing to share the legacy they kept with less sophisticated pockets of humanity. That would be the majority. They knew their know-how was useless without the people to make it happen. The polarity seen in the Enki/Enlil story is a key to understanding this. Not a polarity of pure good or bad but, one of love for humanity versus a disdain for it as nothing more than livestock.

Most of what I share will take the place in the Tent or my video thread as the videos get made. Mystic View is a compliment to this always, as is the Circle show, both GMoP weekly shows. GMoP may end up being what it can be but, if certain affiliations end up being more like ballast instead of impetus, then there are people beginning to take things in complimentary but, sovereign directions.

There are certain funds that are supposed to be released, each with their own story. Each story hints at immanence but, the proof will be in the dispersal. There are those of us who see peril in that dispersal coming, from a few directions. The current reliance, and in some cases, worship of money makes it psychologically destabilizing. Most importantly, it continues making money the object of value rather than the people themselves. The other concern is how the money might be used. The way the current system is set up, as soon as it gets into the hands of people it will quickly end up back in the hands of banks and corporations we wish to starve of their sustenance. The average person still does not know how the system really works and therefore, what weakens or strengthens it. A long term strategy for the practice of actual sovereignty of self and soul is not part of the conversation. That is because most conversations are reactive to the input from content producers. There is no true alternative community to speak of, it is a myth and the rampant anonymity of this group is evidence enough. The more accurate description of this grouping is the alternative audience. An audience waiting for their next installment fix and the few who will make a comments about that information packet.

Joseph has inspired me enormously as have some of the people I have met and work with in GMoP. Shelley is the best ally I have found, by far. She is a true warrior. She was a Thai boxer and competed around the world for years.

modwiz
12th September 2016, 14:47
Oh man. This could be some crack pot stuff but, here goes. This link:http://82.221.129.208/basepagec4.html Claims that Hillary was arrested yesterday at the ceremony.


HILLARY PROBABLY ARRESTED AT 911 MEMORIAL
NOT A HEALTH ISSUE, WATCH FOR THE BODY DOUBLE NOW
WHAT APPEARS TO BE HAND CUFFS CLEARLY VISIBLE
They would never admit it was an arrest, but I'd like you to watch THIS 18 SECOND VIDEO and conclude it was anything different. Between seconds 11 and 13, right before they stuff her into the van, what appears to be handcuffs being released can be seen CLEARLY.
I went over this video many times. It is not something in the van showing through, or any other environmental item. What really appears to be a handcuff is indeed coming off Hillary's left wrist. Inexplicably, she is waiting for the van with her hands behind her back. If she was in physical trouble, receiving help, she would be held (as she was in this video) But her hands would have been to the front, not clasped behind her back because it would increase physical stress if she really was in trouble and then VOILA! the "handcuff" appears as it is coming off.

Clearly, CLEARLY, Hillary's hands really are in handcuff position behind her back as she waits for the van, and then what appears to be cuffs appear right when she was stuffed in.

If Hillary was arrested, don't expect the MSM to admit it, EVER. If she is jailed, it will be a "hospitalization" and no other explanation will ever be given. It would be body double from now on.


I took my time reviewing the two clips I put up after reading the story. The clips posted are decent clarity. I also noticed the timing of the mysterious metal clanging in the video. It perfectly coincides with when Hillary's hands come free from behind her back. When she is first being moved, look at her hands behind her back. They certainly resemble a person in a hand-cuffed position. Her hands come free as the clang is heard. It may be a kind of high-tch cuff with a radio release. I am not saying this is correct but, when reviewing the video hers hands seem stuck behind her back when they first move her off of the post. The clang with her hands and arms coming free coincides.

The presence of two white shirted police officers might mean nothing but, it is another consideration. Please look at her hands, including while she is up against the post and see what you come up with.

Here are the two videos again.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aki6xZCo0Fw


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzZl9j580tM

Aragorn
12th September 2016, 16:49
Oh man. This could be some crack pot stuff but, here goes. This link:http://82.221.129.208/basepagec4.html Claims that Hillary was arrested yesterday at the ceremony.

Just for the record, I would like to point out that the URL which you've quoted here does not contain a domain name, but rather the naked IP address of the machine where that web page is being hosted. In other words, this is not a publicly listed server, but rather a web server daemon — i.e. a background process — running off of a privately owned and possibly home-based machine. That makes it suspect in my book. ;)

Hmm... Let's see what I can dig up about that IP address... : Sherlock:


<clickety click> :pc: :eyebrows:




General IP Information


IP Address: 82.221.129.208
Decimal: 1390248400
Hostname: 82.221.129.208
ASN: 50613
ISP: Advania hf.
Organization: Advania hf.
Services: None detected
Type: Broadband
Assignment: Static IP


Geolocation Information


Continent: Europe
Country: Iceland
Latitude: 65 (65° 0′ 0.00″ N)
Longitude: -18 (18° 0′ 0.00″ W)




Iceland, huh? Now that is certainly interesting. Unfortunately, the geolocation information does not provide for any more precise information than that it's in Iceland, which probably means that it's a satellite connection.

The IP address is also listed as static, and yet the machine does not have a domain name or even a proper hostname associated with it. Furthermore, it says that the machine does not offer any services, and yet it runs a web server daemon. Hmm... :hmm:


I took my time reviewing the two clips I put up after reading the story. The clips posted are decent clarity. I also noticed the timing of the mysterious metal clanging in the video. It perfectly coincides with when Hillary's hands come free from behind her back. When she is first being moved, look at her hands behind her back. They certainly resemble a person in a hand-cuffed position. Her hands come free as the clang is heard. It may be a kind of high-tch cuff with a radio release. I am not saying this is correct but, when reviewing the video hers hands seem stuck behind her back when they first move her off of the post. The clang with her hands and arms coming free coincides.

The presence of two white shirted police officers might mean nothing but, it is another consideration. Please look at her hands, including while she is up against the post and see what you come up with.

It may just be the power of suggestion at play, but when looking at those videos again, it almost appears to me as if somebody — the woman to Hillary's left? — would be touching Hillary's hands, after which her hands move away from her back and that piece of metal falls to the ground.

Was that piece of metal simply a bracelet that she lost, or perhaps a key that fell out of her pocket (or out of her hand)? Sure, it could be. Is that piece of metal part of a set of high-tech handcuffs and did it fall to the ground because the woman to Hillary's left would have been unlocking the cuffs prior to helping Hillary into the vehicle? That is possible too, albeit that uncuffing a suspect before transit is definitely not standard procedure.

So maybe it was not an actual arrest per se, but maybe she had to be temporarily restrained because she would have been so beyond her wits that she posed an imminent physical threat to someone in her vicinity, and they figured that it would have been safer to restrain her and shuttle her off?

Whether this was indeed an arrest or just a temporary restraint, it is either way quite plausible that Hillary's collapse had nothing whatsoever to do with her health condition, but rather with the overwhelming emotions of the arrest/restraint, and perhaps also regarding the situation that led to that. Who knows?

Certainly food for thought... :hmm:

Novusod
13th September 2016, 09:42
Hillary may be above man's laws but it is unlikely Shiva will accept her get out of jail free card.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/69/1f/c4/691fc464611e9d7ee26f60b8b0da2b95.jpg


Knock knock (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcM4W9RErn8)

modwiz
13th September 2016, 10:00
Knock knock (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcM4W9RErn8)

And, may Kali add her head to Her belt. Such a POS.

modwiz
16th September 2016, 22:09
This is a beautiful video. No drama just a very straight-forward demonstration of someone using the Constitution with some vigor. Not the typical theater of congress. Short and sweet and worth a watch.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BulC2aVG0zo

Maggie
16th September 2016, 23:21
Knock knock (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcM4W9RErn8)

This may have been seen but if not, has a good synopsis of what I think is looking like it could be Parkinsons
Zr1IDQ2V1eM

Edit to add this video....

q5mYx5oCxEg

and this probably is HRD's physician Lisa Bardack walking with her

https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/hillary-911.jpg?w=640&h=480

check out the nose

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/09/13/22/3836264100000578-0-Doctor_who_Some_Twitter_users_suggested_the_myster y_woman_was_Cl-m-30_1473803548086.jpg

https://doximity-res.cloudinary.com/image/upload/t_public_profile_photo_320x320/v1391661605/bt7i5k74r6zojj6ye5db.jpg

Elen
18th September 2016, 13:33
This may have been seen but if not, has a good synopsis of what I think is looking like it could be Parkinsons
Zr1IDQ2V1eM

Edit to add this video....

q5mYx5oCxEg

and this probably is HRD's physician Lisa Bardack walking with her

https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/hillary-911.jpg?w=640&h=480

check out the nose

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/09/13/22/3836264100000578-0-Doctor_who_Some_Twitter_users_suggested_the_myster y_woman_was_Cl-m-30_1473803548086.jpg

https://doximity-res.cloudinary.com/image/upload/t_public_profile_photo_320x320/v1391661605/bt7i5k74r6zojj6ye5db.jpg

This looks very convincing Maggie. Really good points there, that Hillary should not run for presidency. Great find Maggie.

modwiz
19th September 2016, 04:05
‘Take a trip to Syria to see what “embarrassed” means’: Russia’s Zakharova to US’ Power

A good juxtaposition of representatives. One women looks displeased, with good reason, and the other looks like a skull's head. It is like we do not need the glasses worn by Roddy Piper in the movie "Them" anymore.

https://cdn.rt.com/files/2016.09/original/57de9153c461888e258b467b.jpg

Photo taken from this article: https://www.rt.com/news/359753-zakharova-power-russia-syria/

modwiz
19th September 2016, 08:02
FWIW, here is a good audio chat between Jeff Rense and Jim Fetzer on Hillary's body double and they make a very strong case for it being so. Having watched "her" last "public" appearance made me think the person speaking was not the same person. Add in the computer glitch where whoever was speaking disappeared for a few frames while a flag behind her could not be seen in the screens of smart phones taking pictures. Here is the link to that audio. https://s102.podbean.com/pb/7359822d67bf4aeffab63786be63b898/57dea138/data4/fs101/824160/uploads/Rense_Radio_Network_Studio_on_2016-09-15_at_23_06_002.mp3

modwiz
19th September 2016, 23:43
The above link to the interview is now, "forbidden" if you click on it. It must have had things that 'someone' does not want heard. Glad I listened when it first came out.

PurpleLama
21st September 2016, 02:56
Didn't we come up with a way to upload mp3s back in the day (says the "troublemaker")? If that function still exists, I did indeed save the interview, as I download all and stream nothing....

modwiz
21st September 2016, 03:20
Didn't we come up with a way to upload mp3s back in the day (says the "troublemaker")? If that function still exists, I did indeed save the interview, as I download all and stream nothing....

I followed the instruction Aragorn gave with an mp3 but, as soon as I posted the mp3 function showed up and then disappeared. Aragorn says we have it and I may have done it incorrectly. I would download more but, hard drive space makes me a little conservative.

Aragorn
21st September 2016, 03:30
Didn't we come up with a way to upload mp3s back in the day (says the "troublemaker")? If that function still exists, I did indeed save the interview, as I download all and stream nothing....

There is indeed a way to upload MP3s, but there is a 12 MiB limit to the file size. The method of uploading is described by Malc in this thread here (http://jandeane81.com/threads/8393-New-MP3-attachment), and if you follow those instructions, then one can either listen to the MP3 here at the forum, or download it to one's own computer. ;)





I followed the instruction Aragorn gave with an mp3 but, as soon as I posted the mp3 function showed up and then disappeared. Aragorn says we have it and I may have done it incorrectly. I would download more but, hard drive space makes me a little conservative.

It is possible that you had clicked the "Insert Inline(1)" button, so that the "1" became a "0", or it is possible that the file exceeded the maximum allowed size. I do not know how to change the maximum allowed size — if it's even possible — as this is something which must be set at the back-end, and that's Malc's domain. :hmm:

modwiz
21st September 2016, 05:30
There is indeed a way to upload MP3s, but there is a 12 MiB limit to the file size. The method of uploading is described by Malc in this thread here (http://jandeane81.com/threads/8393-New-MP3-attachment), and if you follow those instructions, then one can either listen to the MP3 here at the forum, or download it to one's own computer. ;)






It is possible that you had clicked the "Insert Inline(1)" button, so that the "1" became a "0", or it is possible that the file exceeded the maximum allowed size. I do not know how to change the maximum allowed size — if it's even possible — as this is something which must be set at the back-end, and that's Malc's domain. :hmm:

Must have been the former because the file was under 5MB.

modwiz
21st September 2016, 06:31
This is a bit dry but, full of on the ground reporting of a peace group that went to Syria. It is a sober look and goes well until the media get to ask questions. We are fortunate they only had 10 minutes. Of course "barrel bombs" get brought up because they somehow evoke a horror greater than a regular bomb. The reporters are little more than regurgitating drones hooked into an AI. I watched the whole thing and was glad I did.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8JppJyVxYU

modwiz
21st September 2016, 07:05
I found this joke in a comment section.


An Israeli doctor says," In Israel, medicine is so advanced that we cut off a man's testicles, put them on another man and in six weeks he is looking for work."
The German doctor says, " That's nothing. In Germany we can take part of a brain, put it in another man and in four weeks he is looking for work."
The Russian doctor says," Gentlemen, we take half a heart from a man, put it in another's chest and in two weeks he is looking for work."
The American doctor laughs out loud. "You are all way behind us. Seven years ago we took a Muslim with no brains, no heart and no balls and made him President. Now, the whole country is looking for work."

Elen
21st September 2016, 07:55
Oh my modwiz :ha: I didn't see that one coming!

modwiz
21st September 2016, 08:06
Oh my modwiz :ha: I didn't see that one coming!

It is interesting to see the social engineering (political correctness) at work. Currently, it is seen as acceptable to demean muslims. A generation or two ago, it would have been his skin color. The bogey man morphs as social engineering needs it to. So, although the joke has a clever hook, hidden in the humor is the meme. Muslims are fine to trash because there is little concern for social backlash because the "other" is safe to make sub-human.:fpalm:

By pointing out social engineering, we have a chance to de-weaponize it.

modwiz
22nd September 2016, 12:37
The USA led Western coalition, or more properly, The USA and its criminal vassals are clearly trying to get a war going before the election. There is close to zero diplomacy from the West and plenty of finger pointing and lies. This journalist, based in Syria has been following the real story on the ground there and has this report that lays things out well. Basically, the USA is trying to keep their attack on the Syrian Army out of the headlines. First, with the bombs in the New York metropolitan area and then trying to blame Syria or Russia for an attack on a humanitarian convoy. Claiming an aerial attack. Radar reveals only a UK predator drone lingering in the area before, during and after the attack in the convoy. Now, insisting on a no fly zone. Trying to create conditions where a sovereign nation is supposed to no protect itself from a vicious attack. You could not make up a more sinister and slimy plot.

Here is the report:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQ9jlQNJ8Vw

PurpleLama
22nd September 2016, 13:04
The Rense-Fetzer interview is almost 50mb..... Alas.

modwiz
23rd September 2016, 09:46
I have been aware of this story, for about two days now. It was an unconfirmed report carried by farsnews, not the most reliable source as it is affiliated with al-jazeera. It was in an Arabic language version os Sputnik news. I looked for it all over the alt news sites but, nothing. It appears both Iran and Russia want this kept quiet to save USA "face". This gives room for diplomacy to work. Real diplomacy always seeks to not inflame things. Lavrov is a diplomat of the first degree. Kerry might want to be but, the war hounds he ultimately serves snarl orders he is compelled to perform. I would bet he and Lavrov have a private understanding and a personal relationship that may border on warmth. However, this story is now breaking out and JP Fareel covers it in his latest News and Views from the Nefarium tonight. I will post both the newer article and the original Farsnews article as well as the JPF video.

Newest article:

The US and its allies had established a Field Operations Room in the Aleppo region integrated by intelligence personnel. Until it was targeted by a Russian missile attack on September 20, this “semi-secret” facility was operated by US, British, Israeli, Turkish, Saudi and Qatari intelligence personnel.

According to Fars News, this intelligence facility was attacked by Russia in the immediate wake of the US Air Strikes against Syrian SAA forces at Deir Ezzor in support of the ISIS-Daesh terrorists. “The Russian warships stationed in Syria’s coastal waters targeted and destroyed a foreign military operations room, killing over two dozen Israeli and western intelligence officers”

“The Russian warships fired three Caliber missiles at the foreign officers’ coordination operations room in Dar Ezza region in the Western part of Aleppo near Sam’an mountain, killing 30 Israeli and western officers,”
The operations room was located in the Western part of Aleppo province in the middle of sky-high Sam’an mountain and old caves. The region is deep into a chain of mountains.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/u-s-coalition-intelligence-operations-room-inside-syria-destroyed-by-russian-missile-attack-thirty-israeli-american-british-turkish-saudi-qatari-intelligence-officials-killed-report/5547099

Original article:


"The Russian warships fired three Caliber missiles at the foreign officers' coordination operations room in Dar Ezza region in the Western part of Aleppo near Sam'an mountain, killing 30 Israeli and western officers," the Arabic-language service of Russia's Sputnik news agency quoted battlefield source in Aleppo as saying on Wednesday.

The operations room was located in the Western part of Aleppo province in the middle of sky-high Sam'an mountain and old caves. The region is deep into a chain of mountains.

Several US, Turkish, Saudi, Qatari and British officers were also killed along with the Israeli officers. The foreign officers who were killed in the Aleppo operations room were directing the terrorists' attacks in Aleppo and Idlib.

http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13950631000607


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6b1_PssVOM

modwiz
24th September 2016, 05:38
More deception from the despicable, er, exceptional nation.

Caught On Tape: Did The US Target Syrian Aid Convoy With Hellfire Missile?

It appeared the domestic small bombs in NY and NJ were not providing enough cover to keep the USA attack on the Syrian army out of the newspapers. Another, more heinous act was needed to place blame on Russia/Syria. Attacking a convoy of supposed humanitarian aid would be nasty enough. First few seconds of the video are alleged to show a unique explosive signature of USA Hellfire missles. Russian one have a different signature. No use watching the rest of the video. Having named the bad guys it is just footage of devastation having nothing to do with the convoy. It is ABC news after all. Deception and distraction of emotional content to create images of what the accused "bad guys" have done.


Footage of the nighttime attack on the Syrian aid convoy in Aleppo has surfaced. But there's something curious about how the footage has been appearing on Western news reports. A commenter on the Moon of Alabama blog, PavewayIV, made the following observations about what appears in the video, and what it suggests. First, however, here's an unedited version of the blast, courtesy of ABC:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQnKEhHb4Iw


In the screen cap above, you can see what looks to be a cloud of sparks following an initial explosion. According to PavewayIV, this is a signature of the Metal-Augmented Charge (MAC) Hellfire AGM-114N, the Predator drone's typical payload.

The fiery cloud is produced by the residue of the fine-mesh fluorinated aluminum particles (the "metal augmentation"). Aside from the ABC footage, most other networks have shown edited versions that make this signature difficult to detect.

For example, here's AP's version:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdN_siggEn0


Shakey-cam added for jihadi-vision effect? Why would they do this?

Thermobaric Hellfire air-blasts don't leave craters, and they typically start fires. No craters are visible in footage of the burned convoy.

The Russians have thermobaric bombs, too, according to PavewayIV, but they use different particles and their blast patterns are different: either no "sparkles" or long-duration "sparkles", not the fast-duration flash as seen in the video of the Aleppo blast.

As we reported yesterday, the Russians detected a Predator drone which took off from Incirlik airbase in Syria, flew to the precise location of the convoy, arrived before the strike, stayed for a while, then left after the damage was done.

Surely just a coincidence...

Here is the link from zerohedge but, I have put all of the story here.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-23/caught-tape-did-us-target-syrian-aid-convoy-hellfire-missile

Aianawa
24th September 2016, 08:56
It's disgusting watching the parrot media here in NZ when you know the truth.

modwiz
24th September 2016, 09:07
It's disgusting watching the parrot media here in NZ when you know the truth.

The English speaking nations gotta stick together against them foreigners, ya know. However, Germany knows it is the parent of all of those alphabet agencies and vomits with them. Germans surrendered their military after WWll. Not their goobermint. Japan surrendered their military, Emperor and parliament. Germans only their military. Any glance at the surrender documents would show this. JP Farrell is my source and he does not spread rumors. That is, the Nazis never surrendered, only the military. Ever hear of Project Paperclip?

Or, Project Avalon?:ha:

Elen
24th September 2016, 09:14
The English speaking nations gotta stick together against them foreigners, ya know. However, Germany knows it is the parent of all of those alphabet agencies and vomits with them. Germans surrendered their military after WWll. Not their goobermint. Japan surrendered their military, Emperor and parliament. Germans only their military. Any glance at the surrender documents would show this. JP Farrell is my source and he does not spread rumors. That is, the Nazis never surrendered, only the military. Ever hear of Project Paperclip?

Or, Project Avalon.:ha:

OK modwiz...I have to admit it...you are a very funny man. :hugs:

PurpleLama
24th September 2016, 18:28
I finally had a chance to watch this week's news and views from the nefarium, I find the most salient point to be that Russia announced new rules of engagement in Syrian airspace, ominous at best.

Maggie
25th September 2016, 01:40
I am reminded of the question..."Does (what i am focused on) grow corn?"

Anymore, THIS is what excites me...HEALING. Feeling well and being able to do what we want to do because we are physically able, mentally aware/alert/ "WITH IT", emotionally calm and in our integrity is holy.

Healing grows giant corn. Anyone who has not self healed cannot be full on sovereign IMO.
IMO healing experience is one primary powerful gateway of empowerment.

It is apparent to me that all roads of SELF healing are also healing for all in our focus. Its not anything but natural. And yes, I AM (by whatever name the real juice is called) a personal relationship to the mystery who is, IS the most natural ally we have in real time.

I want to share some video from people who have something to offer/share from different vantage points that IMO grows corn.
This IMO represents our new type of response ability.

This is an example IMO of someone synthesizing info and using it for his good and sharing from his use of information.


In 2006, Joshua Tongol (http://joshuatongol.com/about-josh/) was challenged by a modern-day miracle. He was so convinced of its authenticity that he began his own journey–investigating to find out whether or not miracles still occur regularly today. He read every book he could find on the topic and met with different people who operated in these so-called “supernatural gifts.”

Eventually, Joshua began praying for the sick and started seeing results for the very first time–including his own healing from both his GERD and back injury.

In recent years, Joshua discovered the universal power to heal resides in every human being–that it doesn’t belong to just one group, religion, sect, or even to one special person. In fact, the principles of healing are woven into the very fabric of the universe and are available to anyone, anytime, and anywhere.
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These hands are beautiful and I felt something lovely given
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Reconnective Healing (Eric Pearl) is just one avenue of frequency
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Edit to add

calm the amygdala and be the placebo.
Dr. Lissa Rankin: "Mind Over Medicine: Scientific Proof You Can Heal Yourself

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modwiz
25th September 2016, 07:46
Clicking on this link won't get much more info. Here is the gist of it.

This Has to Hurt=> More Americans Believe in Bigfoot Than Hillary Clinton

And this tweet:

Hillary's wondering why she's tanking; maybe it's because she has a lower trustworthiness rating than Chinese toothpaste

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/09/hurt-americans-believe-bigfoot-hillary-clinton/

modwiz
25th September 2016, 08:15
Hmm, very interesting

The end of stealth? New Chinese radar capable of detecting ‘invisible’ targets 100km away


A top Chinese military technology company shocked physicists around the world this week when it announced it had developed a new form of radar able to detect stealth planes 100km away.

The breakthrough relies on a ghostly phenomenon known as quantum entanglement, which Albert Einstein dubbed “spooky action at a distance”.

China Electronics Technology Group Corporation (CETC), one of the “Top 10” military industry groups controlled directly by the central government, said on Sunday that the new radar system’s entangled photons had detected targets 100km away in a recent field test.

That’s five times the “potential range” of a laboratory prototype jointly developed by researchers from Canada, Germany, Britain and the United States last year.


Quantum physics says that if you create a pair of entangled photons by splitting the original photon with a crystal, a change to one entangled photon will immediately affect its twin, regardless of the distance between them.

A quantum radar, generating a large number of entangled photon pairs and shooting one twin into the air, would be capable of receiving critical information about a target, including its shape, location, speed, temperature and even the chemical composition of its paint, from returning photons.

That sounds similar to a normal radar, which uses radio waves, but quantum radar would be much better at detecting stealth planes, which use special coating materials and body designs to reduce the radio waves they deflect, making them indistinguishable from the background environment.


The photons had to maintain certain conditions – known as quantum states – such as upward or downward spin to remain entangled. But Ma said the quantum states could be lost due to disturbances in the environment, a phenomenon known as “decoherence”, which increased the risk of entanglement loss as the photons travelled through the air, thus limiting the effective range of quantum radar.

The CETC breakthrough benefited largely from the recent rapid development of single-photon detectors, which allowed researchers to capture returning photons with a high degree of efficiency.

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=139926

Dreamtimer
25th September 2016, 13:13
That tweet is pretty funny, and sad. But I'm not voting for Chinese Toothpaste just yet...

Whiter teeth, purer policies. Vote to brush away the past...:ttr:

modwiz
26th September 2016, 06:12
Hmm. Plausible deniability when Obama says "I will not put American boots on the ground in Syria".?


Made in China’ US military boots a boon for Donald Trump


Our brave soldiers are wearing boots that - instead of being 100 percent American-made - seem to be imported from China and at the tax-payers’ expense. This news could not have come at a worst time, Lionel, political and media analyst, told RT.

Wellco Enterprises has sold thousands of boots worth millions of dollars to the US military for decades.

It turns out, however, the famous 'Made in USA' military footwear might actually be coming from China. Wellco stands accused of allegedly removing 'Made in China' labels from its products.

And with the presidential elections just around the corner, media and political analyst Lionel says this scandal could not have happened at a better time for Republican candidate Donald Trump.

https://www.rt.com/op-edge/360501-us-chinese-made-boots/

Dreamtimer
26th September 2016, 12:42
Maggie said, "I am reminded of the question..."Does (what i am focused on) grow corn?""

Recently, in an interview I listened to, someone described the two ways we can worship. The Corn God and the Debt God.

In the world of the Corn God there is abundance.

Let us follow the Corn God and not the Debt God.

modwiz
26th September 2016, 12:59
Maggie said, "I am reminded of the question..."Does (what i am focused on) grow corn?""

Recently, in an interview I listened to, someone described the two ways we can worship. The Corn God and the Debt God.

In the world of the Corn God there is abundance.

Let us follow the Corn God and not the Debt God.

This choice of God sets up our perception mode and how we apprehend reality. When one gets their God straight, it makes seeing the world a very different experience. We find self value with the Corn God. This has huge psychological implications. Humans are primarily about their psychology.

Maggie
26th September 2016, 17:18
This choice of God sets up our perception mode and how we apprehend reality. When one gets their God straight, it makes seeing the world a very different experience. We find self value with the Corn God. This has huge psychological implications. Humans are primarily about their psychology.

We are possibly the only creature who is anxious about our mortality. The statement describing humans being
"primarily about our psychology" definitely fits my own preoccupation.

I was watching this last night and it gripped me.

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If our beliefs never quit until we give them up, the implications are BIG and so important that much else pales.

I just heard this song in my head for some reason
Corn dog the barking of wisdom
Can anyone else hear the tune?

corn God and Corn dog and kittens and twisters
Big yellow roses with thorns that burst blisters
all of the packaging mired up in strings
what is the difference in good and bad Things?

Days when bills come, or the tree falls?
If we start to laugh,
will we remember our favorite bits
each night in a cold cold bath?

Dreamtimer
26th September 2016, 18:56
Our favorite bits might be smaller in a cold cold bath...:whstl::ttr:

Aragorn
26th September 2016, 22:07
Maggie said, "I am reminded of the question..."Does (what i am focused on) grow corn?""

Recently, in an interview I listened to, someone described the two ways we can worship. The Corn God and the Debt God.

In the world of the Corn God there is abundance.

Let us follow the Corn God and not the Debt God.

I prefer not to follow any gods. But that's just me. :p

Dreamtimer
26th September 2016, 22:26
I prefer not to follow any gods. But that's just me. :p

Yeah, follow was not the best word choice. I thought about editing it but decided to let it sit. I don't follow myself. Maybe choose is the better word.

I've had more than one experience with people trying to convince me I owe them in some way when I don't in any way. It's a strange mentality.

And I also know people I can't actually give a gift to because they automatically turn it into an obligation on their part which is not expected.

It's not a dynamic I follow. I do have to be aware of others' expectations, though.

modwiz
27th September 2016, 00:11
Yeah, follow was not the best word choice. I thought about editing it but decided to let it sit. I don't follow myself. Maybe choose is the better word.

I've had more than one experience with people trying to convince me I owe them in some way when I don't in any way. It's a strange mentality.

And I also know people I can't actually give a gift to because they automatically turn it into an obligation on their part which is not expected.

It's not a dynamic I follow. I do have to be aware of others' expectations, though.

He's being grumpy and typically pedantic. Although, tongue out smiley meant his eyes were twinkling. Let's send him some love.

Dreamtimer
27th September 2016, 00:47
No prob...:group hug::love::hugs:

I was wondering if someone would comment on the follow part. It's not too far removed from the savior idea.

But following a path is something we all do, and there are many.

Maybe corny humor is a good thing to engage in...:dan: (pretend the banana's a cob)

Aragorn
27th September 2016, 00:49
He's being grumpy and typically pedantic. Although, tongue out smiley meant his eyes were twinkling. Let's send him some love.

I was being neither grumpy nor pedantic. :shocked:

I was actually pointing out how easily people fall into the trap of following a (self-proclaimed) leader or deity, whereas there is nothing in this universe that both deserves and demands worship or a following at the same time. And I was doing it in what I perceived as a humorous way.

I may be ill right now but I didn't think my sense of humor had become so unrecognizable. :hmm:


:watch:

Dreamtimer
27th September 2016, 01:01
I understood you, bro. But sending you love anyway. Hope you feel better soon.

modwiz
27th September 2016, 01:26
I was being neither grumpy nor pedantic. :shocked:

I was actually pointing out how easily people fall into the trap of following a (self-proclaimed) leader or deity, whereas there is nothing in this universe that both deserves and demands worship or a following at the same time. And I was doing it in what I perceived as a humorous way.

I may be ill right now but I didn't think my sense of humor had become so unrecognizable. :hmm:


:watch:

And neither did I think my sense of humor would not be recognized. lol

Aragorn
27th September 2016, 01:35
And neither did I think my sense of humor would not be recognized. lol

Well, let's just say that I'm glad that I was never the one who promised you that I'd post a picture of myself in a tuxedo. :p Damn, now I'm going to have to start a ****ed & Annoyed thread. :p

Dreamtimer
27th September 2016, 01:41
:cracky::fisty::argue:

Where's that annoying thread?:getcoat:

modwiz
27th September 2016, 01:56
:cracky::fisty::argue:

Where's that annoying thread?:getcoat:

Let's just ignore that thread and really annoy him.:ha:

Elen
27th September 2016, 07:01
I love you guys...:cool:

modwiz
27th September 2016, 10:33
Please understand what is probably one of the most important stories of our time and it is taking place at Standing Rock Reservation, North Dakota. The Human Race is taking a stand against the parasites. There is a powerful message and spiritual leadership there. Ceremonies are being held day and night. Prayers are lifted all day and chanupas (peace pipes) are being lit and passed around. Peace prevails. It is not a protest, it is a protect of Mother Earth and the kind of Earth of children and grandchildren will inherit.

As a sign of incredible change, this video podcast is from Zerohedge. The person making the video is usually discussing finance. It is apparent both of these men realize that the status quo is not only not working, it is failing. This podcast is a rich discussion and the man being "interviewed" is now involved and making a difference. Please listen to this amazing talk to witness the change happening, even in financial circles, and also to get the spirit of this paradigm shift for humanity.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ux-M5MGxaXA

PurpleLama
3rd October 2016, 01:13
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2016/10/special-interests-create-the-good-and-bad-and-the-compelling-story-the-media-just-tell-it.html#more

Excellent commentary from the Moon, as always.

modwiz
3rd October 2016, 18:11
How the images that emotionally drive the propaganda of the Western media is featured here. A photo shoot in Europe, supposedly set in war torn Aleppo, Syria. The NGO funded white helmets were the organizers. The absurdity of the photo shoot is shown by perfectly sound building in the backgroundm aaswell as the dress of the people standing behind the "victims" wearing their bombed out make-up. A close look shows the make-up to be poorly rendered and close ups show the make-up does not even go beyond the part of the face showing for the camera.

Notice the buildings and people standing behind the 'victims'.
http://www.activistpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/aleppo-crisis-actors.jpg

Above Image: This is not Aleppo, Syria, but rather the streets of Europe where a recent “save Aleppo” protest was staged. Actors posing in fake dust and blood proved just how easy it is for anyone to create “war victims” anytime, anywhere.

Ckeck how the nake-up ends going towards the ear of the man in the foreground.
http://www.activistpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/CttLut6XgAAzY6c.jpg

In this final picture perspective we see this is staged in an unscathed area of what is a European central area or square of a town/city.
http://www.activistpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Ctse5wOXYAAM8A9.jpg

These are the images that substantiate the narrative the lying media regurgitate to a zombified public who feel moved when they see photos like this.


The recent coordinated “save Aleppo” protests held across Europe and North America, perhaps revealed just how transparently fabricated and fictional the “White Helmet’s” work really is. During one protest, photos retweeted by the official “White Helmet’s” Twitter account showed actors dressed up as “war victims,” covered in fake dust and blood, appearing almost indistinguishable from the alleged “victims” the “White Helmets” regularly “save” in Syria.


http://www.activistpost.com/2016/10/white-helmet-save-aleppo-protest-proves-easy-dress-actors-war-victims.html

Aianawa
4th October 2016, 07:08
Let's just ignore that thread and really annoy him.:ha:

Just bloody lovely, the lengths some will go to arise my ire, to bake my happy cake, to not sneeze upon that dusty annoyed mirroring thread, silly avoiders, PAH

modwiz
6th October 2016, 02:23
OK. So not only is Russia having a major preparedness drill, for a possible nuclear attack, things are getting quite real out there. I found this article related something that seemed not such a big deal when it made the news about a day ago. Russia pulled out of an agreement about disposing of weapons grade plutonium, as a protest for all of the USA dickery lately. However, it did say it would comply with the agreement under certain conditions. I will post those conditions her as they are quite telling as to the the Russians being fed up with being played by the USA.


Let’s look at these conditions: (1) the US must lift all sanctions against Russia; (1) compensation should be paid not only for the losses from American sanctions, but also for the losses incurred by Russian counter-sanctions; (3) the Magnitsky Act should be repealed; (4) the US’ military presence in Eastern Europe should be sharply reduced; and (5) the US should abandon its policy of confrontation with Moscow. Only one word fits in determining the essence of Putin’s demands: “ultimatum.”

This is something the MSM has not covered yet, to my knowledge. They are probably going to twist it when they figure out a response. This list of conditions is really more for the rest of the world tosee, especially other governments. Russia is telling the USA the jig is up with pushing people around, at least formidable countries like Russia. This is a tectonic shift.


And so, the first conclusion is: Putin has deliberately and demonstratively humiliated the US. He has shown that it is possible to talk tough to the US, even tougher than the US itself has gotten used to talking down to the rest of the world.


At this precise moment, Moscow has seized the initiative and upped the ante, but by moving the confrontation onto another plane. Unlike America, Russia is not threatening war. It is simply demonstrating its capability of giving a harsh political and economic response which can, in the event of further inappropriate behavior by the US, realize just the opposite of Obama’s dream: tearing apart Washington’s economy and financial system.

In addition, with these actions, Russia has seriously undermined the international prestige of the US by showing the whole world that America can be beaten with its own weapons. The boomerang has come back. Given such dynamics and turn of events, we might see hundreds of representatives of the American elite at the dock in the Hague not only in our lifetime, but even before the next American president serves their first four-year term in the White House.

The US has been given a choice. Either it will carry through with its threats and start a nuclear war, or it will accept the fact that the world is no longer unipolar, and begin to integrate into the new format.



Now things are ready and the cards have been put on the table. Let us see what the US will respond with. But the geopolitical reality will never be the same. The world has already changed. The US has had the gauntlet publicly thrown down before it and they have not dared to pick it up right away.

I think this is a brilliant strategy. No military threats are being made but, just standing up to the USA this way is very threatening to their "prestige". They no longer look invincible and able to have their way in world affairs. The response, or ignoring this, in the MSM should be telling.

http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/10/raising-stakes-putin-slams-us-nuke.html

bsbray
6th October 2016, 03:12
I think this is a brilliant strategy. No military threats are being made but, just standing up to the USA this way is very threatening to their "prestige". They no longer look invincible and able to have their way in world affairs. The response, or ignoring, this in the MSM should be telling.

Keep in mind too that the US is in the midst of a very volatile presidential election that is basically serving as a referendum on globalism and simultaneously reinvigorating nationalism at home while Trump's campaign is warming more and more Americans to the idea that we don't have to fight Russia. We can work with Russia.

Russia knows all of this as well as anyone and they are really clamping the pressure on the Obama administration and the global fascists it represents. This is not just an embarrassment to the US internationally but is an embarrassment specifically of the Obama administration in US politics, and the more Russia embarrasses the current administration, and shows that it is prepared for all-out war (which surely the Russians must know that the US people themselves would be firmly against), the more he is playing into the hands of the Trump campaign to help oust the warmongering globalists that no one should want as their leaders.

I don't think that Trump is an agent of Putin as the liberal MSM keeps alleging, but Trump and Putin are both clearly anti-globalism, just as the Brexiters in Britain have demonstrated that they have a voting majority standing up to globalism as well. After the US, France looks to be the next big election where nationalism will be pitted against globalism, in the spring of 2017. I just pray that the Trump campaign, and whoever is backing him, is able to seal the deal for the sake of a return to simple nationalism and a renouncing of globalism.

Aragorn
6th October 2016, 04:14
Keep in mind too that the US is in the midst of a very volatile presidential election that is basically serving as a referendum on globalism and simultaneously reinvigorating nationalism at home while Trump's campaign is warming more and more Americans to the idea that we don't have to fight Russia. We can work with Russia.

As much as I dislike either US presidential candidate, I must hand it to Trump: he is very clear about how Russia is not the enemy. And Putin knows that, which is why Putin would prefer to see Trump win the elections.

Vladimir Putin is no saint — he's ex-FSB, fer chrissakes — but he's a hell of a better statesman than all of those Bohemian Grovers (:vom:) who managed to get a foothold within the White House so far.


Russia knows all of this as well as anyone and they are really clamping the pressure on the Obama administration and the global fascists it represents. This is not just an embarrassment to the US internationally but is an embarrassment specifically of the Obama administration in US politics, and the more Russia embarrasses the current administration, and shows that it is prepared for all-out war (which surely the Russians must know that the US people themselves would be firmly against), the more he is playing into the hands of the Trump campaign to help oust the warmongering globalists that no one should want as their leaders.

I think it's not just the Obama administration. Obama is a shill. He works for the Rockefeller clan, i.e. the Bush family, the Clintons, George Soros, most of the US Democrat Party, the Council on Foreign Relations, and of course the Trilateral Commission — the latter two also home to neocons such as Dick Cheney.


I don't think that Trump is an agent of Putin as the liberal MSM keeps alleging, [...

I don't believe that either, and not for one minute, even. That's just plain US globalist propaganda.


...] but Trump and Putin are both clearly anti-globalism, just as the Brexiters in Britain have demonstrated that they have a voting majority standing up to globalism as well. After the US, France looks to be the next big election where nationalism will be pitted against globalism, in the spring of 2017. I just pray that the Trump campaign, and whoever is backing him, is able to seal the deal for the sake of a return to simple nationalism and a renouncing of globalism.

Well, you know that I don't agree with you on that nationalism would be the right path to follow. Nationalism is just the other side of the coin of yet another false dichotomy. What is needed — but, granted, this is going to be very, very difficult with all the propaganda from the mainstream media and the equally indoctrinating Common Core education dominating the Anglo-Saxon world (as well as many of the non-Anglo-Saxon western countries) — is a step outside of the box, as what has already been happening for quite a while with the alter-globalization (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alter-globalization) movement.

Sadly enough, alter-globalization (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alter-globalization) has lost most of its presence in the attention span of the western populace due to the incessant propaganda in favor of both NWO-style globalization and nationalism. It is very similar to the false dichotomy created by the US bipartisan system, i.e. the third (and only valid) option is obfuscated and ignored in favor of the two seemingly opposing sides of the same evil coin.

Choosing either side of that same coin is only going to keep people running in circles, and paves the way for a revisit to the other side of the coin again at any given point in the future — from (NWO-style) globalism to nationalism, from nationalism back to (NWO-style) globalism, and so on again. It's no different from going from a US Democrat as president of the USA to a US Republican as president and then back again. It still is and will always remain another variant of the "us versus them" paradigm.

It's a vicious circle, and it has to be broken in order for humanity to really be able to thrive and evolve into a civilization worthy of exploring other worlds and openly contacting whatever other civilizations exist out there in the universe.


:yoda: :wiz: :unity:

bsbray
6th October 2016, 05:19
I think it's not just the Obama administration. Obama is a shill. He works for the Rockefeller clan, i.e. the Bush family, the Clintons, George Soros, most of the US Democrat Party, the Council on Foreign Relations, and of course the Trilateral Commission — the latter two also home to neocons such as Dick Cheney.

Yes, but that doesn't always come across to Americans who are still stuck thinking in the two-party system. For them, it would simply reflect badly upon the Obama administration, just as for the world at large the blame might be placed on the US as a whole, which is also an oversimplification. But for the sheeple or semi-sheeple to associate increased Russian aggression and tensions with the Obama and Clinton administration would be terrible for Clinton's already-failing campaign, and would be advantageous to the Trump campaign.

American support for even bombing Syria with naval ships from the ocean (no "boots on the ground") was 8% a few years ago when Obama was interrupting prime-time TV slots to give these impassioned speeches as to why we should engage our military in Syria. He had to give up that fight. 8% support. Not even the MSM could skew that terrible of a poll for them.

This was all sold with the understanding that Syria is a relatively small and weak country that would pose no military threat whatsoever to the US, and still only 8% support, because we have been at war constantly since 2001 and we are tired of it. We are tired of hearing about it. So the desire to go to war with Russia is probably like in the negative percentages, through the floor, it would cause so much outrage here. It would be more likely to instantly start a civil war here than actually result in any determined effort against Russia.

So with Russia no doubt realizing that the American people themselves have absolutely no interest in a war against Russia, that gives Russia that much more confidence in cranking up the pressure tremendously on the Obama administration. Plus, look at how popular Russia Today (RT) has become as a news source online. People get it. It's our own government that is the problem, not Russia, and Russia has our back in that. Putin may be no saint but "the enemy of your enemy is your friend."



Well, you know that I don't agree with you on that nationalism would be the right path to follow. Nationalism is just the other side of the coin of yet another false dichotomy. What is needed — but, granted, this is going to be very, very difficult with all the propaganda from the mainstream media and the equally indoctrinating Common Core education dominating the Anglo-Saxon world (as well as many of the non-Anglo-Saxon western countries) — is a step outside of the box, as what has already been happening for quite a while with the alter-globalization (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alter-globalization) movement.

This "alter-globalization" movement looks like just another form of globalization to me. Maybe it's set up to be the opposition party to the usual types of globalists. Globalism is globalism and no matter how pretty it sounds at first, it is 100% as susceptible to abuse.

I think we should all forget about world cooperation and world government. Let's be frank about the situation and admit that none of us, in any of our countries, has firm control over own our government. I mean the people as a whole. The American people can't hold their leaders accountable effectively, and I don't know of any country that can. To be pursuing any kind of globalist agenda in these circumstances is insane.

Not to mention, and we've talked about this before, I think the best government is the most decentralized as possible. I would rather more laws be passed in my local town or county government that affect me personally, than in Washington DC, let alone some international world capital. To hell with the very idea of that. If we can work together then we can do it without being forced by the heavy hand of some international government. When we are truly mature enough to all work together on a global scale, we will be able to work together in our individual countries first, and that is not happening.

Alternating between nationalism and globalism is not a repeating cycle as far as the US is concerned, either. We have only really entered into the international imperial club within the last 100 years or so. Before that, we had strong traditions of states' rights and even of local governments. So we have something to fall back on here. Nationalism is a step in that direction. Some other form of globalism is still globalism and we shouldn't even pretend to be ready for that. It's only an opportunity for world centralized government, in the hands of psychopaths.

Aragorn
6th October 2016, 05:53
This "alter-globalization" movement looks like just another form of globalization to me. Maybe it's set up to be the opposition party to the usual types of globalists. Globalism is globalism and no matter how pretty it sounds at first, it is 100% as susceptible to abuse.

I think we should all forget about world cooperation and world government. Let's be frank about the situation and admit that none of us, in any of our countries, has firm control over own our government. I mean the people as a whole. The American people can't hold their leaders accountable effectively, and I don't know of any country that can. To be pursuing any kind of globalist agenda in these circumstances is insane.

Not to mention, and we've talked about this before, I think the best government is the most decentralized as possible. I would rather more laws be passed in my local town or county government that affect me personally, than in Washington DC, let alone some international world capital. To hell with the very idea of that. If we can work together then we can do it without being forced by the heavy hand of some international government. When we are truly mature enough to all work together on a global scale, we will be able to work together in our individual countries first, and that is not happening.

Alternating between nationalism and globalism is not a repeating cycle as far as the US is concerned, either. We have only really entered into the international imperial club within the last 100 years or so. Before that, we had strong traditions of states' rights and even of local governments. So we have something to fall back on here. Nationalism is a step in that direction. Some other form of globalism is still globalism and we shouldn't even pretend to be ready for that. It's only an opportunity for world centralized government, in the hands of psychopaths.

I hear you on that, but then again, I personally don't support any form of government — as you may remember me expounding upon earlier already. Any form of government — whether it's regional, national or international — is always going to lead to corruption, because the people who are elected for such governments are always the people who want to be in a role where they can dictate the law onto others.

Not only does that signify a very real and present risk of abuse, but as history has shown, in most cases, those in government are intellectually no better than those who are being governed. In other words, there's also a very real hazard that a whole population group could and would fall victim to the consequences of the incompetence of their (supposedly) elected officials.

By consequence, my own vision of alter-globalism is not related to any bureaucracies or corporations, but is instead defined by a strive for peace and cooperation between the people(s) themselves, without anyone pounding themselves on the chest and exclaiming that their population group is better than any other population group — which is what nationalism and patriotism are truly about.

I just want to us to be clear on that. ;)

Elen
6th October 2016, 10:58
I hear you on that, but then again, I personally don't support any form of government — as you may remember me expounding upon earlier already. Any form of government — whether it's regional, national or international — is always going to lead to corruption, because the people who are elected for such governments are always the people who want to be in a role where they can dictate the law onto others.

I just want to us to be clear on that. ;)

Who wants to "governed"? :h5:

modwiz
8th October 2016, 20:49
Wow! A rare clip of an impassioned reply from Zakharova to a question from an obviously trollish MSM person. The translation is provided and no translation is required to read her frustration with stupidity. She addresses 'stupid' towards the end of her brilliant answer.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVoLgD1RIxE

Aianawa
8th October 2016, 23:34
Wow! A rare clip of an impassioned reply from Zakharova to a question from an obviously trollish MSM person. The translation is provided and no translation is required to read her frustration with stupidity. She addresses 'stupid' towards the end of her brilliant answer.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVoLgD1RIxE

Totally amazingly Xlent

sandy
9th October 2016, 06:37
No >>>>uhs, duhs, ums, ifs ands or buts when one is speaking their truth.......love it!! Thks for posting

modwiz
9th October 2016, 18:36
During more sane times Alex Jones can be over the top with the fear aspect of things. However, with the insanity of the past week or so with some serious warmongering, Alex is a voice of sanity.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMz3hTH9OHM

modwiz
10th October 2016, 10:33
Although not an official Corbett Report, James is featured, along with Sibel Edmunds in this video that flew by when listening to it. Filled with lot of information and considerations I had not read about, regarding Turkey and it rapprochement with Russia and the possibility of it leaving NATO.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-0eB0mOir8

modwiz
10th October 2016, 18:55
I am guessing nobody here in this forum is unaware of the real situation in Syria but, just in case there is anyone who needs more info, this short video is informative and has no grisly scenes.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HqPGth344Y

bsbray
10th October 2016, 19:01
I hope Turkey does pull out of NATO, and then I hope Trump is elected and cuts US funding of NATO drastically.

After WWII, the United States essentially colonized western Europe. Traditionally it had been European powers colonizing other nations, but after how Europe treated US support in WWI, including billions of dollars of aid to European nations, which almost all of them refused to pay back, after that sheer arrogance from Europe to the US, our administration took advantage of Europe's devastated state after WWII and the US colonized Europe. Western Europe has largely consisted of US puppet states ever since. That's just the reality of the direction international politics has taken. Even the world reserve currency was established to be the US dollar and only the US dollar.

That may be bad politically for Europe (at least for full autonomy, since they have had to consider US policy in everything they do), but it's also been bad economically for the US, because we are still sinking billions of dollars into Europe to pay for the control systems we have set up there, including our military control of Europe through NATO. Most of NATO's bill is footed single-handedly by the US. As an American I see absolutely no benefit to this. It seems to only be used as a tool to draw us into conflict with other nations, whether it's Libya or Iraq or Syria or Ukraine or Russia. If there is a legitimate military threat from any of these places then let Europe deal with it on its own. I have a feeling if Europe was left to its own devices they might reconsider the situation in much fairer terms to Russia and the others.

Aragorn
11th October 2016, 06:02
While I agree with (almost) everything you wrote in post #203 (http://jandeane81.com/threads/9583-Modwiz-Musings-Topical-Discussion?p=841958865&viewfull=1#post841958865), I do want to respond to the following.


[...] Most of NATO's bill is footed single-handedly by the US.

That is most definitely not true. While the US may pay the bill for NATO's control systems, the financial expenses for the NATO-related actions of each of the individual NATO member states are carried by the respective citizens of those member states, not by the USA.

And by the way, so are the political consequences of such NATO actions. We've now already got Muslim terrorists here in Belgium because the current Belgian government drools over any opportunity to placate NATO, as well as the CIA and the US government in general. Before our government became enamored with US military imperialism, Belgium had never been a target for Islamic terrorists.

Granted, the fact that the Belgian State Secret Service went after the guy who organized the Paris attacks hasn't exactly made things any better, but then that only moves the responsibility higher up the food chain, because the attacks in France and Nice were the result of the French government eagerly playing ball with NATO earlier already.


As an American I see absolutely no benefit to this. It seems to only be used as a tool to draw us into conflict with other nations, whether it's Libya or Iraq or Syria or Ukraine or Russia. [...]

Not as a tool for drawing the USA into any armed conflicts, but as a tool by which the USA itself can force other nations to collaborate in its own prospective military conflicts, and as such, increase the USA's chances at success, while at the same time strongly reducing the financial cost of going to war. And that's quite a different thing.

But I agree that NATO is outdated. It's a construct that was put up during the (first) Cold War, because of the Big Commie Scare™. And the CIA did more than that too. They organized a sleeper agent network all across Europe, called Operation Gladio (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio), which is still believed by many to have been responsible for the Brabant massacres (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brabant_massacres) and to have been linked to the ultra-right-wing Westland New Post (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westland_New_Post), whose intentions were to turn Belgium into a police state by way of false flag attacks.

Does that sound familiar? ;)

bsbray
11th October 2016, 08:19
That is most definitely not true. While the US may pay the bill for NATO's control systems, the financial expenses for the NATO-related actions of each of the individual NATO member states are carried by the respective citizens of those member states, not by the USA.

That is what's called direct funding, and when you only consider direct funding, then that's true. But that doesn't include a lot of expenses incurred by the US that fall outside of that strict consideration. Even the Washington Post admits that numbers that Trump cite have about the right idea when it comes to indirect spending.


On the other hand, if Trump is talking about indirect spending on NATO, which exceeds direct funding, he begins to have a point. U.S. officials have long complained that other NATO members are not pulling their weight in the alliance; President Obama recently asserted to Atlantic Monthly’s Jeffrey Goldberg that some European allies are “free riders,” a term that Trump echoed in his CNN interview.

NATO documents show that a majority of NATO members fail to meet NATO’s guideline, established in 2006, that defense expenditures should amount to 2 percent of each country’s gross domestic product. The median spending in 2015 is just 1.18 percent of GDP, compared to 3.7 percent for the United States, NATO says. Just four other countries currently exceed the 2 percent guideline.

“The volume of the US defense expenditure effectively represents 73 per cent of the defense spending of the Alliance as a whole,” NATO says in a discussion of indirect funding. “This does not mean that the United States covers 73 per cent of the costs involved in the operational running of NATO as an organization, including its headquarters in Brussels and its subordinate military commands, but it does mean that there is an over-reliance by the Alliance as a whole on the United States for the provision of essential capabilities, including for instance, in regard to intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance; air-to-air refueling; ballistic missile defense; and airborne electronic warfare.”

NATO concedes this imbalance has been an issue since the start of the alliance: “The combined wealth of the non-US Allies, measured in GDP, exceeds that of the United States. However, non-US Allies together spend less than half of what the United States spends on defense.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/03/30/trumps-claim-that-the-u-s-pays-the-lions-share-for-nato/

It looks like they are including total US military expenditures worldwide as contributions to NATO as an organization, which goes hand-in-hand with the fact that no one should be nation-building and interfering all over the world to begin with, but it's what the globalist network is doing. One of Trump's closest advisors is Michael Flynn, former head of military intelligence (the DIA), and I'm guessing that he's where Trump is getting a lot of the info he's using in his talking points about how he's going to frame his policies.


And by the way, so are the political consequences of such NATO actions. We've now already got Muslim terrorists here in Belgium because the current Belgian government drools over any opportunity to placate NATO, as well as the CIA and the US government in general. Before our government became enamored with US military imperialism, Belgium had never been a target for Islamic terrorists.

It all goes back to WWII. Whether it was set up to happen this way intentionally or not, the US invested enormously into the rebuilding of several governments and I get the distinct impression that American officials at that time didn't just stand by passively and watch it happen. I get the feeling that they played an active role in all of it that time, after what had happened after WWI (the US never even signed the Versailles Treaty). The USSR was doing much worse on the other side of Europe at the same time.


Not as a tool for drawing the USA into any armed conflicts, but as a tool by which the USA itself can force other nations to collaborate in its own prospective military conflicts, and as such, increase the USA's chances at success, while at the same time strongly reducing the financial cost of going to war. And that's quite a different thing.

From either side you look at it, it's really globalists that are doing this, and they don't seem to feel particular attachment to any country, George Soros being one example. They're an outside and often illegal political influence on a lot of states in the world. The Egyptians


But I agree that NATO is outdated. It's a construct that was put up during the (first) Cold War, because of the Big Commie Scare™. And the CIA did more than that too. They organized a sleeper agent network all across Europe, called Operation Gladio (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio), which is still believed by many to have been responsible for the Brabant massacres (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brabant_massacres) and to have been linked to the ultra-right-wing Westland New Post (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westland_New_Post), whose intentions were to turn Belgium into a police state by way of false flag attacks.

Does that sound familiar? ;)

No, but it's not surprising. It's the same globalist faction doing all of that stuff.

modwiz
11th October 2016, 17:21
The Russians, Iranians and other oil producers have now learned to play the rigged oil game. They know whenever production cuts are anticipated the futures markets and computer algos automatically bid up the price. So, by making false announcements the price goes up temporarily and they reap the benefits. As this Zerohedge article states, production went up after statements of production cuts hit the news.


The increased production shows, among other things, not only just how farcical the recent oil surge has been on the back of expectations that somehow OPEC will actually not only agree on lower production quotas and more importantly comply with then, but also how much work OPEC must do to achieve production cuts it agreed to last month in an attempt to end a crude glut that has depressed prices for two years.


Sechin said he doubted some OPEC countries, such as Iran, Saudi Arabia and Venezuela, would cut their output either: "Try to answer this question yourself: would Iran, Saudi Arabia or Venezuela cut their production?"

The answer, of course, is no. But it will take the algos some time to figure it out.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-11/strange-production-cut-opec-oil-output-hits-record-high-rosneft-says-no-production-c

modwiz
12th October 2016, 00:35
Unofficially, Russia recommends that all Russians children attending school in USA come home, even if it interrupts their school term. Wow!

This may not speak to just possible conflagrations at the macro level but, perhaps at a more personal level. My take on this is, Russia may be forced to perform some surgical strikes within the USA. By surgical I refer to "wetwork". There are some officials calling for war that it may be better for them to be "relocated" off planet. I do not refer to spacecraft either. Every country has 'agents' working inside other countries and this is one possibility. However, plausible deniability might engender another strategy. There are mafias inside many countries as well. Mafias associated with certain home countries. If certain warmongers start ending up deceased then that could be the cause for some revenge. Getting the children of officials out of a country where certain actions may be taken is only good sense. Most people will tend to think this, removal of children of officials, points to a hot war. I think it could signal something more subtle and appropriate. Cutting off the head of a snake is more surgical and spares innocents.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbd2fZ3pOsw

modwiz
12th October 2016, 22:34
A little mirth from Lavrov.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8H7aKGOpSwE

PurpleLama
15th October 2016, 11:27
It starts to take on an ominous tone, what Cayce said in regards to the Light of the World coming from Russia, when one considers that that country is the (only?) one actually preparing its population for the potential advent of an atomic onslaught. It may be that in another decade, the only viable population left in the northern hemisphere will be theirs. Civil defence, what is that? Something out of a movie I saw once, I think.

PurpleLama
15th October 2016, 17:56
I loved the quip from Lavrov. That was priceless.

As an aside, everything natural about life is priceless.

giovonni
21st October 2016, 00:53
NEWS AND VIEWS FROM THE NEFARIUM OCT 20 2016

Streamed Live 1 hour ago ...

"As the US political season pushes the Lunacy Index into record-breaking highs, Angela Merkel begins to show faint signs of emergent sanity, and Russia and Japan might have come to some sort of memorandum of understanding concerning those disputed islands, and have decided to formally end World War Two": Referenced articles

Merkel calls for ‘national push’ to deport rejected migrants from Germany
(https://www.rt.com/news/362924-merkel-rejected-migrants-deportation/)

Fumio Kishida is going to visit Moscow (http://katehon.com/news/fumio-kishida-going-visit-moscow)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZYlWcSGkP4&feature=em-lbcastemail

modwiz
25th October 2016, 06:09
Here is an interesting clip of things said by Trump. Well worth the 5 plus minutes, IMO. I found it encouraging as far as message goes. The messenger is another consideration, maybe.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHsZxJlxHYw

modwiz
26th October 2016, 05:16
It would appear that Hillary is losing, in a big way. Only fake polls are making it appear differently.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gY0sR3SWuZ8

161803398
26th October 2016, 08:09
http://www.democracynow.org/2016/10/24/headlines/federal_appeals_court_reinstates_torture_lawsuit_a gainst_caci

"A U.S. federal court has ruled that no one—not even the president of the United States—has the power to declare torture legal. Friday’s unanimous ruling by a panel of judges on the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals reinstates a lawsuit against the military contractor CACI. The suit charges CACI directed and participated in torture at the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq in 2004, where it was hired by the U.S. to provide interrogation services. Four Iraqi men say they were subjected to extreme temperatures, electric shocks, broken bones, death threats and sexual abuse."

161803398
26th October 2016, 08:17
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTs2Hg9oLS4

Russian news is reporting that Eric Braverman actually has seek sought asylum at the Russian consulate office former CEO to Clinton foundation

Aianawa
26th October 2016, 08:39
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTs2Hg9oLS4

Russian news is reporting that Eric Braverman actually has seek sought asylum at the Russian consulate office former CEO to Clinton foundation


Thankyou, very interesting, feel the election may get very very interesting, more than expected.

Dreamtimer
26th October 2016, 13:22
Isn't it already very interesting? I'm finding this whole thing to be quite stimulating.

modwiz
31st October 2016, 04:30
We find out why the Clinton investigation was re-opened.

Is This Why Comey Broke: A Stack Of Resignation Letters From Furious FBI Agents


James Comey's decision to revive the investigation of Hillary Clinton's email server and her handling of classified material came after he could no longer resist mounting pressure by mutinous agents in the FBI, including some of his top deputies, according to a source close to the embattled FBI director.

'The atmosphere at the FBI has been toxic ever since Jim announced last July that he wouldn't recommend an indictment against Hillary,' said the source, a close friend who has known Comey for nearly two decades, shares family outings with him, and accompanies him to Catholic mass every week.

'Some people, including department heads, stopped talking to Jim, and even ignored his greetings when they passed him in the hall,' said the source. 'They felt that he betrayed them and brought disgrace on the bureau by letting Hillary off with a slap on the wrist.'

According to the source, Comey fretted over the problem for months and discussed it at great length with his wife, Patrice.

He told his wife that he was depressed by the stack of resignation letters piling up on his desk from disaffected agents. The letters reminded him every day that morale in the FBI had hit rock bottom.

'The people he trusts the most have been the angriest at him,' the source continued. 'And that includes his wife, Pat. She kept urging him to admit that he had been wrong when he refused to press charges against the former secretary of state.


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-30/why-comey-broke-stack-resignation-letters-furious-fbi-agents

Aianawa
3rd November 2016, 03:58
Tis over I feel, for Hillery, waiting for a Farrell nefarium report about all this.

modwiz
4th November 2016, 22:52
So, Apple stands out as one more shill for the status quo criminality. I have a feeling Apple is going to have a very bad next quarter.

Apple Offers Anti-Trump App Allowing Voters To Trade Votes


At a time rife with speculation that the presidential vote on Tuesday may be rigged or tampered, we find it troubling - not to mention illegal - that Tim Cook has allowed the Apple store to distribute an app called #NeverTrump created by Trimian, whose mission statement is "Red or Blue, we must all unite to defeat Trump this election. Let's ensure Hillary wins in swing states, and make sure third-party votes count."

The app allows potential voters to trade votes, boosting Hillary's support in swing or battleground states, while 3rd party candidates get more (meaningless) support in blue states.

It is obvious that panic about a non-player has created the kind of cerebral cortex shutdown that comes with adrenaline release (fear). Living in a corporate bubble has insulated them from the real world and the consequences of angering it.


This app is offered for free to use "for any Democrat, Republican, Independent, Libertarian, Green Party or anyone against Donald Trump for this 2016 US Presidential Election. Whether you are for Hillary Clinton, Gary Johnson or Jill Stein, let's agree on one thing: Never Trump."

Clif High's web-bots have reported a 25:1 favor ability for Trump in the language of the population that writes anything on the web.

Here is the first comment below the article.

My daughter asked for an apple IPhone for xmas. Not now. Thanks apple, for showing what a bunch of ****ing assholes you are!

This election is getting very interesting.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-04/apple-offering-anti-trump-app-allowing-voters-trade-votes-across-state-lines

modwiz
5th November 2016, 09:46
Jimmy Kimmel sends one of his people out on to the streets with a BS message that Obama announced he will be running for a third term. Shameful deceit is on display as some people claim to have watched something that did not happen. Major props to the last gentle man who made no pretense of having heard about it, in spite of reacting excitedly about what he thought was true. I made the world gentleman into two separate words that will be obvious if one watched this short video.

It is my guess no Trump supporters were hurt in the process of making this video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTIsTzGO72A

modwiz
5th November 2016, 11:04
Steve Pieczenik has put out another video. I find this one particularly sober and honest and great synchronicity with the above video. The quality of of governance is a reflection of the people. As seen in the above video, some people are dishonest, if not delusional. Reality occurs between the poles of opposites. Like a football field with goal posts, the action happens largley towards the center of the field with a constant flux of movement towards each of the goal posts, or polarities.

I could go on but, my disdain for typing has kicked in. Also, there is an energy that is shaking things loose and conversations will perform better "in the field" and not in stark contrasts of polarity. Steve P is a concerned American with his own idea of what a functional America looks like. Like a relatively healthy diet, it is not just health food but will include some junk. It is a matter of balance towards health and not towards illness. This balance has a flux to it. So, do not let the mention of certain names Steve mentions be triggers that blind the perception of his message. I hear words of a relatively healthy diet for the USA. A healthy USA can then attend to the serious business of the vigilance required for a Republic.

The Jimmy Kimmel video in the above post shows how far vigilance of both goobermint and personal responsibility, and the integrity of both, has fallen.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJ_CYS-KMjM

PurpleLama
6th November 2016, 16:16
The worst suspicions seem to be confirmed....

https://m.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5azc9k/someone_tell_me_im_wrong_this_invite_to_a_pizza/?compact=true

Thanks to noprophet at PA for bringing this to the boards, as not many stray over to Reddit. Apparently there are a great number of emails in the wikileaks using code to reference the activities of a pedophile ring in the midst of the Democratic campaign to the very center of its leadership. Not for the faint of heart.

Maggie
6th November 2016, 18:25
8 years ago many of my friends were very excited by Obama. They were sure his presidency was a real change
This year many of the same people are divided over the political race. They are all sure the "other" candidate is the lessor evil.
Always the electoral college votes are the only real votes.
I have not seen anyone get excited by changing this institution?

This was an interesting article.
I know that the feeling of being a mushroom goes deeper than any one or two or several storylines.


Hillary Clinton’s Ace-in-the-Hole: Russia
11/05/2016 05:08 pm ET
(http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joe-lauria/hillary-clintons-aceinthe_b_12814100.html)
If Hillary Clinton loses a very tight election her ace-in-the-hole could be Russia.

Corporate media reacted harshly when Donald Trump said in the last debate that he would wait and see what happens before accepting the election results. “I will keep you in suspense,” he said. Trump has alleged that the vote will be rigged.

If Trump loses by a razor thin margin we can expect a demand for recounts and possible legal challenges. Some of his more violent supporters have also threatened trouble.

But what if Clinton loses a close election? In the wake of Wikileaks and FBI revelations Clinton’s sizable lead has evaporated and a tight result is looking more and more possible.

On her campaign plane a few hours after the last debate Clinton was asked if she would pledge to accept the results. She ignored the question and instead launched into an attack on what Trump had said.

If Clinton should lose a squeaker, she has two options to try to overturn the election and make herself president—and both involve blaming Russia. She can try to influence America’s bizarre electoral college system, or get at least two allies in Congress to challenge its certification of the election.

America’s Indirect Suffrage

Unknown to most people outside the United States, and to many within, the U.S. president is not chosen by a national popular vote. Instead the U.S. presidential election is really 50 separate state elections. The candidate that wins a state’s popular vote is awarded a number of electors based on population size.

These are actual persons who vote for president on behalf of the people. Slates of electors are chosen by both major political parties before the election. Whichever party wins a state’s popular vote gets the votes of that state’s electors. There are 538 electors and a candidate can must get 270 electoral votes to be elected president. *

This system ignores the national poplar vote so that a candidate may win more votes nationwide but still lose the election. It has happened four times, the last being in 2000 when Al Gore won the popular vote but lost the election to George W. Bush.

Several states, such as New York and California, usually vote Democratic, while others, such as many in the West and South, are normally in the Republican column. But there are states that could go either way, so-called swing states, and that’s where the most intense campaigning takes place.

According to one scenario, the four electoral votes in Maine could decide this election.

That’s why Trump campaigned there last week. Maine and Nebraska are the only two states that proportion some of their electors. One candidate could get one of the four electoral votes if he or she wins a congressional district.

Influencing the College by Blaming Russia

The Clinton camp’s accusation after the first Wikileaks revelations, just before the Democratic Convention, that Russian intelligence was behind the leak was later amplified in early October by James Clapper, director of national intelligence, who blamed “Russia’s senior-most officials” for intending to “interfere with the U.S. election process” by authorizing the hack of the Democratic National Committee.

Clapper went significantly further, however, claiming that a Russian company was behind attempted hacks of electoral computer systems in various states.

The Obama administration’s claim was widely accepted by the news media even though no evidence of Russian tampering was publicly given. With just days to go to the election the story has been revived by the pro-Clinton media. CNN Anchor Jake Tapper on Friday incorrectly said the U.S. was accusing the Russian government, not a company, of threatening election computers.

In the last debate, Clinton said the hack “has come from the highest levels of the Russian government. Clearly from Putin himself in an effort, as 17 of our intelligence agencies have confirmed, to influence our election.” The 17 agencies were represented by Clapper. Clinton also offered no evidence.

If Clinton loses by a few electoral votes she could challenge the results by claiming that Russia tampered with the election. The public has been prepared with unproven allegations that are widely disseminated by corporate media and widely believed. With the media not previously demanding evidence of such a claim and if the intelligence agencies back her up, her only challenge might be to convince the needed number of Republican electors to change their votes to put her over the top.

There are only 26 states that require electors by law to vote for the candidate who won the state’s popular vote. Virginia has issued only an advisory to do so. The other 24 states have no such laws, freeing electors to vote their conscience and against their own party.

The swing state with the most electoral votes that doesn’t bind its electors by law is Pennsylvania, with 20 electoral votes. Other states in play such as Arizona, Utah, Texas, Georgia, North Carolina, Nevada and New Hampshire also have no laws to keep an elector from changing his or her vote. Ohio and Florida, the two biggest swing states, do bind the electors by law.

Clinton’s camp would be faced with turning a number of electors around to vote against the Republican candidate and switch their vote to her. Clinton has to convince them that a changed vote would uphold American democracy against the interference of a supposedly hostile state that threw the election for Trump.

Clinton has to convince such so-called “Faithless Electors” to vote against their state’s popular will. This has happened in seven previous elections. In each of them only one elector changed his or her vote. This occurred in 1948, 1956, 1960, 1968, 1972, 1976, and 1988. But no Faithless Elector has ever decided a presidential election before.

The 2016 Election, one of the strangest in memory, could add to the craziness by becoming the first.

The Second Option

If she fails to convince enough electors to change their votes there is one last chance for Clinton. At 1 p.m. on January 6, both houses of Congress meet to certify the election. However, an 1887 law allows any member of Congress to formally object to the result.

An objection must be put in writing and signed by at least one Senator and one Representative. The Joint Session is recessed and both Houses have two hours to separately consider the objection. Then each House votes on it. If both agree, the electoral votes are not counted.

There have only been two objections and both times, in 1969 and 2005, they were rejected.

If Clinton succeeds and the objections are accepted, vacating Trump’s electoral votes because of alleged Russian interference in certain states, it could bring him below the required 270 electoral votes. But it would not give Clinton that number either.

If neither candidate reaches 270 electoral votes the Constitution says the election is decided by a vote in the House of Representatives. Each state delegation gets one vote and a simple majority is required. The House is currently controlled by the Republicans. But many Republicans do not support Trump.

The House has decided a presidential election only two times before. In 1800 Thomas Jefferson and Aaron Burr tied with 73 electoral votes each. After 36 ballots over six days, the House chose Jefferson as the third president. In the 1824 election Andrew Jackson received 99 electoral votes, 32 short of a majority, to John Quincy Adam’s 85, but the House chose Adams.

It would certainly be a long shot for Clinton to try either of these tactics to overturn a close loss to Trump. But given everything else that has happened in this election campaign, would anyone really be surprised?

—————
*The system was a compromise between Congress and voters (until ?? only propertied white men) selecting the president. It also gave less populated Southern slave states a greater say in a presidential election. It was established in 1789, at a time when the Holy Roman Emperor was chosen by an electoral college. From 1849 to 1918 Prussian voters chose electors to decide on deputies for the House of Representatives in a system of indirect suffrage. The French and Irish Senates are today chosen by an electoral college. The Pope is still elected by a College of Cardinals.

Fred Steeves
6th November 2016, 19:21
The worst suspicions seem to be confirmed....

https://m.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5azc9k/someone_tell_me_im_wrong_this_invite_to_a_pizza/?compact=true

Thanks to noprophet at PA for bringing this to the boards, as not many stray over to Reddit. Apparently there are a great number of emails in the wikileaks using code to reference the activities of a pedophile ring in the midst of the Democratic campaign to the very center of its leadership. Not for the faint of heart.

Hmmmm, "pizza parties" and "spirit cooking". Both new to me... If these and other sordid connections to the Clintons are indeed the case then I have to wonder why now, and why are only the dems targeted?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EsJLNGVJ7E

Anyway aside from all the political stuff, I've found it curious, for some time now, the origins of Alternative Media's holy grail "The Disclosure Movement" back in the early 90's: We had a Rockefeller, a Podesta, the Clintons, and many other well knowns from back in the day. I see this is also gaining public traction after 20+ years. Below is one of my old dusty research links, but there seems to suddenly be a bunch of them from 2016. Again, I have to wonder why now? What's really going on here?
http://www.paradigmresearchgroup.org/Rockefeller_Initiative_Documents.htm

I have some evolving suspicions, but will keep my woo to myself for the time being.

PurpleLama
6th November 2016, 19:45
This reference to Spirit Cooking carries the implication of some seriously nasty juju going on behind the scenes. Its definitely based on some deep and long established practice, somewhere between Santeria and voudon. It's funny, how black magic and the elites have always been part and parcel of the alternative infotainment circus, but no one seems to be connecting the dots with these latest revelations. Shit just got real, so to speak.

modwiz
7th November 2016, 18:52
Here is a link to the full Fulford report. I add it for some comic relief during intense times.

Here is a fun "fact".

There are also signs that increasing numbers of people in the Russian government are beginning to realize President Vladimir Putin is not real. This can be seen in the fact that Russian diplomats use an ET emoji in their communications to describe Putin.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3908668/Vladimir-Putin-alien-Diplomats-use-grey-ET-emoji-Russian-leader-private-WhatsApp-chats.html


http://conspireplanet.blogspot.co.il/2016/11/benjamin-fulford-says-cabal-will-be.html

modwiz
7th November 2016, 18:58
Hmmmm, "pizza parties" and "spirit cooking". Both new to me... If these and other sordid connections to the Clintons are indeed the case then I have to wonder why now, and why are only the dems targeted?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EsJLNGVJ7E

Anyway aside from all the political stuff, I've found it curious, for some time now, the origins of Alternative Media's holy grail "The Disclosure Movement" back in the early 90's: We had a Rockefeller, a Podesta, the Clintons, and many other well knowns from back in the day. I see this is also gaining public traction after 20+ years. Below is one of my old dusty research links, but there seems to suddenly be a bunch of them from 2016. Again, I have to wonder why now? What's really going on here?
http://www.paradigmresearchgroup.org/Rockefeller_Initiative_Documents.htm

I have some evolving suspicions, but will keep my woo to myself for the time being.

I had posted my take on a Disclosure scenario in the Tent. I will look for it and link to it here.

Here is the link. http://jandeane81.com/threads/1771-Rhosgobel-Tent-At-TOT?p=841957751&viewfull=1#post841957751

modwiz
15th November 2016, 22:15
Just a little more evidence of how 'inorganic' the protests are.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfVUhJyT8lg

modwiz
1st December 2016, 03:29
I loved watching these four people share their lucid view of things. I felt lots of love watching them.


Black People got words for the TruMP HATERS


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOuM3V0fBGI

modwiz
18th December 2016, 16:19
I am watching the ripping off of the veil that has been the reality for too long.

Mystic Brew: Apocalypse, What A Show


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTRKcnxmTwc

Novusod
18th December 2016, 19:36
I am watching the ripping off of the veil that has been the reality for too long.

Mystic Brew: Apocalypse, What A Show


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTRKcnxmTwc

I love your perspective on things Wodwiz.
- The cabal is panicking after the election of Trump.
- They are acting like children with the Russians ate my homework. (Protests didn't work, recount didn't work, electoral college not being swayed, etc)
- Pre-traumatic stress syndrome with some people.
- No child left behind and Common Core has set up a generation of young people always expecting to get a trophy.
- Fake News / Fake history has been going on since the Gutenberg printing press. (As Gordon Duff likes to say the Internet is the new Gutenberg printing press) They can't suppress real news and truth anymore.


My opinion on this is really a matter of spiritual immaturity. These self-proclaimed rulers of humanity have been getting their way for so long they don't know how to handle people disobeying their orders. They are acting like little kids throwing a temper tantrum because they are spiritually immature. They have never known the sting of loss and they have no concept of empathy. They call "We the People" losers and useless eaters in their ivory towers and inner circle. TRUMP was supposed to lose according to the predetermined narrative. They really have no plan 'B' and that is why their follow up protests have failed.

modwiz
18th December 2016, 20:19
I love your perspective on things Wodwiz.
- The cabal is panicking after the election of Trump.
- They are acting like children with the Russians ate my homework. (Protests didn't work, recount didn't work, electoral college not being swayed, etc)
- Pre-traumatic stress syndrome with some people.
- No child left behind and Common Core has set up a generation of young people always expecting to get a trophy.
- Fake News / Fake history has been going on since the Gutenberg printing press. (As Gordon Duff likes to say the Internet is the new Gutenberg printing press) They can't suppress real news and truth anymore.


My opinion on this is really a matter of spiritual immaturity. These self-proclaimed rulers of humanity have been getting their way for so long they don't know how to handle people disobeying their orders. They are acting like little kids throwing a temper tantrum because they are spiritually immature. They have never known the sting of loss and they have no concept of empathy. They call "We the People" losers and useless eaters in their ivory towers and inner circle. TRUMP was supposed to lose according to the predetermined narrative. They really have no plan 'B' and that is why their follow up protests have failed.

Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for subscribing.

Novusod
24th December 2016, 10:48
Saw your video on SJWs. They are created tools of the money power brokers.

http://i.imgur.com/BjJMJlr.jpg

SWJs = False flag against genuine social justice One of the main platforms behind Occupy Wall Street was "Social Justice" as in bringing Wall Street to justice. Since then the dark powers have hijacked the term social justice and turned it into this phony battle over trigger warnings. Its' entire purpose is discredit genuine social justice. NoDAPL for example is genuine social justice but they are trying to distract against the real movements by herding the youth into these fake social causes.

modwiz
24th December 2016, 11:19
Saw your video on SJWs. They are created tools of the money power brokers.

http://i.imgur.com/BjJMJlr.jpg

SWJs = False flag against genuine social justice One of the main platforms behind Occupy Wall Street was "Social Justice" as in bringing Wall Street to justice. Since then the dark powers have hijacked the term social justice and turned it into this phony battle over trigger warnings. Its' entire purpose is discredit genuine social justice. NoDAPL for example is genuine social justice but they are trying to distract against the real movements by herding the youth into these fake social causes.

Saw your reply and gave it a thumbs up. Appreciated the comment.

modwiz
25th December 2016, 21:19
Longer than needed to make the point but, still fun, IMO.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXnsnajCRD8

modwiz
29th December 2016, 02:36
Not the greatest video but, at the two minute mark we see the product of our current educational system. The fact the she chose to capitalize her illiteracy was unfortunate. I was surprised the video maker did not comment. I have to wonder about his literacy.:fpalm:

Who needs Feminism 004


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpOdae0Vxqw&feature=youtu.be

giovonni
29th December 2016, 04:38
Not the greatest video but, at the two minute mark we see the product of our current educational system. The fact the she chose to capitalize her illiteracy was unfortunate. I was surprised the video maker did not comment. I have to wonder about his literacy.:fpalm:

Who needs Feminism 004




I sense the above video maker is being legitimately sincere ...

And in all fairness (he) seems to be balanced and fair minded intended ... :tiphat:


Women I admire for their achievements



I know that I made a bunch of movies against feminism. And I know some people will then fill in that this must mean I hate (or strongly dislike?) women. This is not really something I worry about but there are some women that I admire.

So, I thought it a good idea to make a movie of women I admire. And here it is.

Not much to say about it, watch it and let me know what you think.

Published on Mar 4, 2016


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O65VD40Sh2I&feature=iv&src_vid=EpOdae0Vxqw&annotation_id=channel%3A571bb469-0000-2485-9d98-94eb2c08e200

Maggie
31st December 2016, 20:38
This is interesting IMO...How a "Magical satanic boogeyman" gets blamed for the real criminality that is about to be uncovered. I like Styx and think he has a clear head and think this is a grounded conversation.

Styxhexenhammer666 - Occult Rule: Are the Globalists Satanists?

rRb7KA5LRrE

modwiz
31st December 2016, 20:40
This is interesting IMO...How a "Magical satanic boogeyman" gets blamed for the real criminality that is about to be uncovered. I like Styx and think he has a clear head and think this is a grounded conversation.

Styxhexenhammer666 - Occult Rule: Are the Globalists Satanists?

rRb7KA5LRrE

I thought Styx did a great job on this video and loved how he put the 'elite' into perspective. I left a comment there as well.

Novusod
15th January 2017, 01:53
Modwiz don't worry (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-diB65scQU) about people being fooled into war with Russia by the nonsense on TV.

Won't happen. The American people already called out their bluff.
http://i.imgur.com/YFAdn21.jpg

Maggie
23rd January 2017, 23:13
The way child abuse may be related to Kakistocracy (rule by the worst) and how "the club" concept of network serves as a conduit for new members.



Maintaining a Kakistocracy by Tjeerd Andringa
January 9, 2017 (https://www.facebook.com/notes/op-expose-cps/maintaining-a-kakistocracy-by-tjeerd-andringa/1366367376740735/)

One of the reasons for the intimate association of the power elite with child abuse is that they might use it to maintain their, somewhat hidden, ‘kakistocracy’: government by the worst and most evil people: a highly capable brand of psychopaths if you like.

Psychopathy is only mildly hereditary, so an elite psychopath cannot guarantee that sons or daughters will be just as psychopathic. I expect this entails that they need a steady resupply of ruthless and power hungry individuals who understand the world deeply and pervasively and, as such, are highly capable. Normally deep and pervasive understanding leads to wisdom and a sense of responsibility, humility even. But that is precisely not what that the kakistocracy needs: it needs the same depth and pervasiveness of understanding, but in combination with utter ruthlessness and the capacity to appear respectable.

Enter child abuse. By abusing children you “give” them an attachment disorder by violating or destroying the deep sense of security that is the basis for an open attitude towards learning and discovering. With this trust violated the child’s world changes from a world of opportunities, to a world of potential and actual threats. And often they will search and serve those who can protect them from these threats an in doing so giving their autonomy away for life. And they might even carry it over to their children: stultifying their growth towards autonomy.

Aristocrats and priest must have discovered a long time ago that abused children lead to useful adult servants; slaves actually. And while this is despicable to people with a normal moral development, it is a positive thing for psychopaths who see other people as tools anyway. Yet this does not solve the problem of keeping the kakistocracy supplied with respectable appearing, super high functioning, and completely ruthless psychopaths. Only a small fraction of the population (say 1%) is psychopath and as such has the benefit of an absence of empathy and a conscience: psychopaths are able to exploit others as if they were tools. Yet the vast majority of them are not particularly evil: they can be ruthless, daring, and callous, but they find mostly norm-abiding ways to be psychopathic: they might be mountaineers, military, ER-doctors, car or insurance salesmen, real-estate brokers, or white-collar criminals. But most are definitely not the high functioning individuals that compare with how the power elite sees themselves and would accept as their peers. So how do you recruit suitable psychopaths in your midst if they do not advertise themselves as such.


Kakistocracy is defined as “rule by the worst.” Today on the program Dr. Tjeerd Andringa of the University of Groningen joins us to discuss his theory of how the kakistocracy uses child abuse to perpetuate their control, both over the victims of that abuse and its perpetrators. We also discuss what the vast majority of decent and moral people can do about this problem.

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Sofia Smallstorm returns to the show to offer her insights into the dark and sinister world of what she refers to as "the Club" and how this malevolent and occult society is behind the desecration of humanity.
Tonights discussion will be based on two of Sofia's recent newsletters, the October newsletter where she shares her views "the Club" and its pervasive influence throughout society and the November newsletter which addresses the John Podesta email leaks and the Comet Ping Pong scandal.

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giovonni
26th January 2017, 13:05
Will share this here ...

Then there's this ...


Robert Steele "Did Lynn Rothschild Buy Donald Trump
For $20 Billion? Or Is He For Real?"

The Richie Allen Show

Published on Jan 26, 2017


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwCx5ZKABDA

giovonni
28th January 2017, 09:09
Something very special from the Bronx ...:thup:

A Holocaust Survivor’s Violin Finds a New Home

"In the spring of 2014, the filmmaker Kahane Cooperman was driving to work, listening to WQXR, the classical-music station, when she heard a promotion for a donation drive: the station was collecting used instruments to be given to schoolchildren. The promo mentioned one violin in particular that had been donated by a ninety-one-year-old Holocaust survivor. “There weren’t any more details than that,” Cooperman, a documentarian who also worked for more than a decade as a producer for “The Daily Show” and was the showrunner for the first season of Amazon’s “The New Yorker Presents,” told me. “But my curiosity was piqued immediately.” She set out to find out more about this old man and his violin.

The man, she discovered, was Joseph Feingold, who had made his donation after hearing a similar segment on WQXR. A retired architect who was born in Warsaw, he moved to the United States in 1948 after spending six and a half years in a labor camp in Siberia. He was later reunited with his father and one of his brothers; his mother and his youngest brother were both killed at Treblinka. Joseph bought the violin in a displaced-person’s camp, in exchange for a carton of American cigarettes, while he was waiting to be moved to America. He said that in that moment, after years of extreme hardship, as he walked around the streets of the camp, playing the violin, “I finally lived as normally as could be.”

Cooperman’s short documentary “Joe’s Violin,” which premièred at the Tribeca Film Festival, recounts Feingold’s story and also follows his instrument into the hands of a twelve-year-old girl named Brianna, the daughter of Dominican immigrants, who goes to school in the Bronx, in the poorest congressional district in the U.S. The film examines how a beloved object can come to carry meaning, memory, and love by showing how this particular violin brings together two people who are from very different walks of life but who find a similar comfort and “light,” as Brianna puts in, in music.

“I really don’t identify this film as either a Holocaust film or a film about a city kid in the pure sense of those genres,” Cooperman said. Instead, the power of “Joe’s Violin” comes from the convergence of those two stories. The first meeting between Feingold and Brianna is a little tense, a little awkward, but both the old man, whose hands can no longer play the violin, and the adolescent girl, who wears flowers in her hair, seem to be brimming with a bittersweet kind of joy that they can’t quite express.

The two have continued to keep in touch through letters, Cooperman said. Joe is now ninety-three and still listens to classical music on the radio every day. Brianna is fourteen and used Joe’s violin to audition for entry to performing-arts high schools; she got into her first-choice school."

Andrea DenHoed is a Web producer at newyorker.com. (http://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/a-holocaust-survivors-violin-finds-a-new-home)

***

Joe's Violin

| 2017 Oscar Nominee | The Screening Room | The New Yorker

24:17 minutes


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8D5h_Y8N4tg

Elen
28th January 2017, 14:14
Something very special from the Bronx ...:thup:

A Holocaust Survivor’s Violin Finds a New Home

"In the spring of 2014, the filmmaker Kahane Cooperman was driving to work, listening to WQXR, the classical-music station, when she heard a promotion for a donation drive: the station was collecting used instruments to be given to schoolchildren. The promo mentioned one violin in particular that had been donated by a ninety-one-year-old Holocaust survivor. “There weren’t any more details than that,” Cooperman, a documentarian who also worked for more than a decade as a producer for “The Daily Show” and was the showrunner for the first season of Amazon’s “The New Yorker Presents,” told me. “But my curiosity was piqued immediately.” She set out to find out more about this old man and his violin.

The man, she discovered, was Joseph Feingold, who had made his donation after hearing a similar segment on WQXR. A retired architect who was born in Warsaw, he moved to the United States in 1948 after spending six and a half years in a labor camp in Siberia. He was later reunited with his father and one of his brothers; his mother and his youngest brother were both killed at Treblinka. Joseph bought the violin in a displaced-person’s camp, in exchange for a carton of American cigarettes, while he was waiting to be moved to America. He said that in that moment, after years of extreme hardship, as he walked around the streets of the camp, playing the violin, “I finally lived as normally as could be.”

Cooperman’s short documentary “Joe’s Violin,” which premièred at the Tribeca Film Festival, recounts Feingold’s story and also follows his instrument into the hands of a twelve-year-old girl named Brianna, the daughter of Dominican immigrants, who goes to school in the Bronx, in the poorest congressional district in the U.S. The film examines how a beloved object can come to carry meaning, memory, and love by showing how this particular violin brings together two people who are from very different walks of life but who find a similar comfort and “light,” as Brianna puts in, in music.

“I really don’t identify this film as either a Holocaust film or a film about a city kid in the pure sense of those genres,” Cooperman said. Instead, the power of “Joe’s Violin” comes from the convergence of those two stories. The first meeting between Feingold and Brianna is a little tense, a little awkward, but both the old man, whose hands can no longer play the violin, and the adolescent girl, who wears flowers in her hair, seem to be brimming with a bittersweet kind of joy that they can’t quite express.

The two have continued to keep in touch through letters, Cooperman said. Joe is now ninety-three and still listens to classical music on the radio every day. Brianna is fourteen and used Joe’s violin to audition for entry to performing-arts high schools; she got into her first-choice school."

Andrea DenHoed is a Web producer at newyorker.com. (http://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/a-holocaust-survivors-violin-finds-a-new-home)

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Joe's Violin

| 2017 Oscar Nominee | The Screening Room | The New Yorker

24:17 minutes


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8D5h_Y8N4tg

I was moved to tears...thanks Gio, very nice.

giovonni
28th January 2017, 15:45
Yes, (and myself as well) ...
The kind of human interwoven story - that makes some kind of sense of it all.

Dreamtimer
28th February 2017, 16:39
Ben Fulford's latest release had an interesting tidbit.

"Satan has returned to the original creation and received absolution," a very esoteric source says.

Anyone else got a line on this?

modwiz
28th February 2017, 20:26
Ben Fulford's latest release had an interesting tidbit.

"Satan has returned to the original creation and received absolution," a very esoteric source says.

Anyone else got a line on this?

Hard to top the line out of Ben's mouth. Sounds like a statement beyond most pay grades.

Maggie
28th February 2017, 21:14
Hard to top the line out of Ben's mouth. Sounds like a statement beyond most pay grades.

I am reading this out of his context maybe?


Ben Fulford's latest release had an interesting tidbit.

"Satan has returned to the original creation and received absolution," a very esoteric source says.

Anyone else got a line on this?

I am imagining that IF "Satan" is a principle akin to "The devil (who can) make me do (something), it is that NOW we cannot project our choices onto an "opposite" force.

If we are accepting of a particular new paradigm... (I am)?????

Wider perspective and the truth is seen: there is One only with individual fractals EACH "drop" with free will choice. Then in this material "earth" life, we no longer can deny our choices consequence. There is no opposing character to blame for our trouble. Blame of anything and inability to take responsibility becomes the main issue. So "Satan" is now retired and absolved on the NEW Earth time line?

modwiz
28th February 2017, 21:34
I am reading this out of his context maybe?



I am imagining that IF "Satan" is a principle akin to "The devil (who can) make me do (something), it is that NOW we cannot project our choices onto an "opposite" force.

If we are accepting of a particular new paradigm... (I am)?????

Wider perspective and the truth is seen: there is One only with individual fractals EACH "drop" with free will choice. Then in this material "earth" life, we no longer can deny our choices consequence. There is no opposing character to blame for our trouble. Blame of anything and inability to take responsibility becomes the main issue. So "Satan" is now retired and absolved on the NEW Earth time line?

There might be some concepts we have some variance with. The blaming of evil because someone chose to give it a body to act through was always a dis-empowerment tactic. Evil is a latency that will stay doramnt in the phenomenal world until someone acts upon a/the suggestion . Like a virus, replication is impossible without an organic vessel. Satan is a non-issue until humans start acting out from that energetic.

Ben entertains me, sometimes. I do not listen to him regarding esoteric subjects.