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Novusod
6th June 2016, 06:08
The Mandela effect is named after Nelson Mandela who died in 2013 at the age of 95. However, millions of people all across the world have a false memory of him dying 30 years ago in prison. It seems a bit sketchy as a proof of parallel universes but it goes deeper.

Maybe it is called the Mandala effect and not Mandela effect. There is something wrong with our collective memories. Millions of people are noticing glitches in the matrix.

Christians who have memorized their scriptures know that the bible has been changed.

http://i.imgur.com/9UuGlSX.jpg
(large picture of bibles) Proofs

In Luke Chapter 17 verse 31 it currently says in the King James Version of the bible: (Pictured on the lower left)
Luke 17:31 - In that day he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down and take it away. And he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.

"STUFF in the house." What the hell. "Stuff" isn't a biblical word, it is 20th century slang to mean people's things.

(Pictured on the Upper left is an pocket reference mini-bible which has the original real quote of Luke 17:31)
Luke 17:31 - In that day he which shall be upon the housetop, and his goods in the house, let him not come down and take it away. And he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.

Here it says "goods in the house" as it should say but the other main bible I have been reading for 30 has been changed in some type of miracle. It is not just Luke 17:31 but Matthew 9:17 as well.


In Matthew Chapter 9 verse 17 it currently says in the King James Version of the bible: (Pictured on the lower Right)
Matthew 9:17 - Neither do men put new wine into old bottles; else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish; but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.


It is NOT supposed to say "bottles break." Bottles won't break if you new wine in them. That doesn't make sense. It is supposed to say wineskins NOT bottles. The correct quote can be seen in the pocket bible where is still says wineskins.

Matthew 9:17 - Neither do men put new wine into old wineskins; else the wineskins break, and the wine runneth out, and the wineskins perish; but they put new wine into new wineskins, and both are preserved.

The bible scripture has BEEN changed somehow. The miracle extends even beyond the bible. Gene Wilder the original Willy Wonka came back to life. HE DIED. I remember it but Wikipedia says he is still alive.

Mohammad Ali died a few days ago but many remember him dying years ago.

Then there is popular media:

- Loony Toons has changed to Loony Tunes.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/07/fd/0a/07fd0a67bff2355c976afbccd774b7a3.jpg
- Gordons' Fishman became Gorton's Fishman.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/33/66/03/3366037fca9e433177266d5fa286040e.jpg
- Interview with A Vampire is now called Interview with THE Vampire.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/d1/34/52/d1345223ab2d82a0ba6b7e826fedcba6.jpg
- Berenstein Bears becoming Berenstain Bears
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/aa/69/65/aa69653f358b2990b9ac42c2dc64c877.jpg

Movie Quotes have changed as well:
- Forest Gump's famous line now says: "Life was like a box of chocolates." instead of "Life is like a box of chocolates."
- In Snow White the Evil Queen says the mirror: "Magic Mirror on the wall" instead of "Mirror, mirror on the wall."
- In Field of Dreams the voice now says: "Build it and HE with come." instead of the usual "Build it and they will come."
- In Star Wars Empire Strikes Back Darth Vader no longer says "Luke, I am your father."

There are even videos of James Earl Jones saying the old line "Luke, I am your father."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkhsYqGQyi8

How the movie appears now even on old VHS:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bv20ZoBcdO8


Geography has also changed according to some people:
- South America has shifted to the East
- Australia has shifted
- The Pyramids have moved (Khafre and Khufu's pyramids have switched places)
This is not the Great Pyramid anymore.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/88/fc/be/88fcbebb76b8a061f6f4a3a69e44f3da.jpg
The one on the right is the Great Pyramid now.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/d3/34/90/d3349099e4a057057cd394ec7b3e5cba.jpg

Some type of parallel reality is emerging right now. This is not crazy. This is really happening. Trust only in your mind and in your higher guidance. Some people may remember this differently but that doesn't mean it is not happening. Millions of people are having the same false memories. That in of itself is something extraordinary.

What do you guys think? There are some powerful old souls on this forum who might know a thing or two. I encountered similar time warps in the 90s but this is a lot bigger and more people are noticing it. I suspect this is only the tip of the iceberg here. The more people that see this the better.

scibuster
6th June 2016, 06:28
The Pyramid-Scandal:
changed ? but not at Wiki:
Cheops-Pyramid ist the Great Pyramid.

Novusod
6th June 2016, 18:52
The Pyramid-Scandal:
changed ? but not at Wiki:
Cheops-Pyramid ist the Great Pyramid.

Cheops-Pyramid is just another name for Khufu's Pyramid.

This is a current screenshot from Wikipedia on the Great Pyramid. This is not something that is being disputed. The Mandela effect has to do with our memories.
http://i.imgur.com/cHmXBTK.jpg

Millions of people have false memories of Khafra's Pyramid being the great Pyramid. They all remember the middle Pyramid being the Great Pyramid because it lines up with the Sphinx and resembles the Pyramid on the back of the $1 dollar bill. The theory behind the Mandela effect is that these memories are evidence of a parallel universe. Some people are from a different reality and they remember things differently because things happened differently in that other reality.

The Pyramid in of itself does not prove the existence of a parallel universe. What does prove the alternate reality it is lots of things that are messed up and LOTS of people are noticing it.

Celebrities people swore died have come back to life.

It is if you woke up tomorrow and suddenly Michael Jackson was alive again and all sources that say he died had been erased but you can talk to people and lots of people will remember his death.
That is the Mandela effect.

The Mandela effect is a combination of things that point to the existence of a parallel universe.
- Changes in geography (Continent of South America moved, Austria has moved North, Japan moved North)
- Remembering historical events differently (Some people say the Lindbergh baby was never found and the man who stood up to the tank in Tiananmin Square being run over.)
- Changes in cartoons
- Movie quotes being changed
- TV shows changed (A lot point to the song from Mr Rodgers being: “It’s a beautiful day in the neighborhood.” In this reality, it’s “It’s a beautiful day in this neighborhood.”
- Consumer products being renamed
- Changes in the bible (Matthew 9:17 and Luke 17:31, the Lords Prayer has changed)
- How things are spelled. (Mahatmas Gandhi vs Mahatmas Ghandi; Grayhound vs Greyhound)

For me I am one of those people who came from another reality. Some people may always remember this reality but for me it is different.

Conclusions:
What this all means. Are realities merging? Is the 3D to 4D to 5D shift that long been prophesied finally happening and the General Public is noticing it. That would be a first something major spiritual to happen outside of the usual circuit of new-agers.

More troubling is Forest Gump's famous line: "My momma always used to say. Life was like a box of chocolates. You never know what you are going to get."
What is the universe trying to tell us.
Is life over. It used to say "Life IS like a box of chocolates."
Now it says "Life WAS..."

Maybe reality has always been changing more people are just noticing it now because of the internet. Every time you have Deja vu it could be a reality shift.

bsbray
6th June 2016, 19:20
I tend to believe that there could be an infinite number of parallel universes/realities, but I'm having a hard time with these arguments.


Christians who have memorized their scriptures know that the bible has been changed.

The images you posted show two different Bibles with two different verses. If I am understanding correctly, your argument is that an entire reality has shifted into another one but we still have Bible versions from both of them. So the idea you are presenting is not that reality has entirely shifted but apparently just some things are different and not others. But the real problem I have is that whoever took these pictures didn't think it was relevant to also take a picture showing which translation and edition each Bible is. There are hundreds of different translations and renderings of the Bible into modern language. Someone can claim that these are supposed to be the same Bible version but to me it is a fairly routine observation that they are obviously not the same translation.

Another thing is that people often just remember things incorrectly. This is easy to do and not much different than being ignorant about things in general. I just posted a video not long ago of a French guy on a game show who (along with over half the audience) thought that the Sun revolves around the Earth. You could also make the argument that this guy and half the audience must have just come from some parallel reality where the Sun does indeed revolve around the Earth, but for me the simpler and more likely answer is that the guy was just totally ignorant on the subject.

My grandma read a while back that Betty White was dead on a Facebook post, and started calling people and telling them about it. I told her that she better double-check because people post death hoaxes all the time, and sure enough Betty White was still alive. Now if I had not told my grandma to check the erroneous information she had just read, she might have seen Betty White a few weeks later and been surprised that she was "no longer" dead. It would only complicate the problem if you don't remember where you heard the hoax info, so instead of being able to blame it on a Facebook prank you get the vague notion instead that reality must be morphing around and that people are resurrecting themselves spontaneously.

My main problem here is that the idea itself may have legitimacy on some level, but the examples and arguments being used to support it are not properly documented (ie neglecting to take a picture of the Bible version information), there has been no consideration of alternative possibilities (something crucial to defending a hypothesis), and the argument as presented is not provable because it is not falsifiable. If someone remembers things to have always been the way that they still are right now, then the convenient excuse is that they're from "this reality," rather than that they simply have a better memory and pay more attention to detail. So there has to be a way to test whether or not this is valid one way or the other, and I don't see any effort to actually do that.


Btw here is the etymology of the word "stuff," which comes from the 1300's: http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=stuff

Of course it could be claimed that this etymology is also from this reality instead of whichever one people came from who can't believe that "stuff" isn't actually a modern word. Which goes back to my point that this idea can't be proven true or false because it is designed in a way to be unfalsifiable. The problem has to be framed in a falsifiable way before it can be tested and the hypothesis found either true or false.

lookbeyond
6th June 2016, 23:35
Hi Novusod, interesting topic and a little scary! There are also the people like Dolores Canon (from memory) who talk about a "new Earth" - a separation of souls, some remain on this 3D Earth with others somehow leaving /graduating to a better/new Earth, i guess the lucky ones? -- i wonder if this has anything to do with the line in the bible which states something to the effect that "one will be taken and another remain", "in the blink of an eye" etc, and could this be the "harvest" of The Law of One?? mmmm, has it already happened and we have all been left behind and does this mean WE get to contend with catastrophic Earth changes?

The Mandela effect is interesting, even the youth of today talk about this, my young teenage daughter was only telling me about it a few days ago..

Novusod
7th June 2016, 03:43
I tend to believe that there could be an infinite number of parallel universes/realities, but I'm having a hard time with these arguments.

The images you posted show two different Bibles with two different verses. If I am understanding correctly, your argument is that an entire reality has shifted into another one but we still have Bible versions from both of them. So the idea you are presenting is not that reality has entirely shifted but apparently just some things are different and not others. But the real problem I have is that whoever took these pictures didn't think it was relevant to also take a picture showing which translation and edition each Bible is. There are hundreds of different translations and renderings of the Bible into modern language. Someone can claim that these are supposed to be the same Bible version but to me it is a fairly routine observation that they are obviously not the same translation.

I probably didn't explain the bible thing very clearly. These are both my personal bibles. The small bible is a pocket bible of the King James Version of Bible published in 1982. It is not a complete bible and has only some of the chapters of the New Testament. This bible is for some reason unchanged and still shows the old verses.

The larger bible is full King James version of the Bible published in 1972. It contains messed up quotes at least to my memory. Some people feel these are the way the quotes have always been. Both bibles should say the same thing.

The bible quotes in question are Matthew 9:17 where is says bottles instead of "wineskins" and Luke 17:31 where it says Stuff instead of "Goods." I have read that quote many times and always remember it being "wineskins" in KJV.

The Lords Prayer has also been changed in both the full bible and the mini bible (Matthew 6:9-13). This is what it says:

Our Father in heaven,
Hallowed by your name.
Your kingdom come.
Your will be done on Earth as it is in heaven,
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our debts as we forgive our debtors.
And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.
For yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever.
Amen

That is shocking to ME personally because that is not the prayer I memorized and recited daily for over 20 years. The Lords Prayer from Luke 11:2-4 is also changed and not as I remember. This is from the gospel of Luke:

Our Father in heaven,
Hallowed by your name.
Your kingdom come.
Your will be done on Earth as it is in heaven,
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our sins, for we forgive everyone who is indebted to us.
And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.

On a side note the Lord's prayer was always different between what Matthew and Luke remembered. Both Matthew and Luke heard the same quote from Jesus but remembered it differently.


Another thing is that people often just remember things incorrectly. This is easy to do and not much different than being ignorant about things in general. I just posted a video not long ago of a French guy on a game show who (along with over half the audience) thought that the Sun revolves around the Earth. You could also make the argument that this guy and half the audience must have just come from some parallel reality where the Sun does indeed revolve around the Earth, but for me the simpler and more likely answer is that the guy was just totally ignorant on the subject.

My grandma read a while back that Betty White was dead on a Facebook post, and started calling people and telling them about it. I told her that she better double-check because people post death hoaxes all the time, and sure enough Betty White was still alive. Now if I had not told my grandma to check the erroneous information she had just read, she might have seen Betty White a few weeks later and been surprised that she was "no longer" dead. It would only complicate the problem if you don't remember where you heard the hoax info, so instead of being able to blame it on a Facebook prank you get the vague notion instead that reality must be morphing around and that people are resurrecting themselves spontaneously.

My main problem here is that the idea itself may have legitimacy on some level, but the examples and arguments being used to support it are not properly documented (ie neglecting to take a picture of the Bible version information), there has been no consideration of alternative possibilities (something crucial to defending a hypothesis), and the argument as presented is not provable because it is not falsifiable. If someone remembers things to have always been the way that they still are right now, then the convenient excuse is that they're from "this reality," rather than that they simply have a better memory and pay more attention to detail. So there has to be a way to test whether or not this is valid one way or the other, and I don't see any effort to actually do that.

It is healthy to be skeptical especially about something like this. It is fair enough that some people do miss-remember things. For the bibles I will get some pictures of the copyrights shortly.

EDIT: Full Bible ______________________________________________ Mini Bible
http://i.imgur.com/Vtumqmz.jpg http://i.imgur.com/QNOcLIn.jpg
-on second look they DO seem to be different versions KJV vs New JKV
-The point I am trying to make is not that these bibles are different but that the KJV is saying things it is not supposed to say


Btw here is the etymology of the word "stuff," which comes from the 1300's: http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=stuff

Of course it could be claimed that this etymology is also from this reality instead of whichever one people came from who can't believe that "stuff" isn't actually a modern word. Which goes back to my point that this idea can't be proven true or false because it is designed in a way to be unfalsifiable. The problem has to be framed in a falsifiable way before it can be tested and the hypothesis found either true or false.

I looked at that very Etymology page before making my original post. "Stuff" used in the 1300s did NOT means peoples' things. First reference to "Stuff" is as a verb. As a noun "Stuff" referred to the padding in quilts and clothing. People referring to their possessions as "Stuff" is 20th century lingo. Luke 17:31 mentioning "Stuff in the house" instead of "goods in the house" is beyond weird.

There a many other things than I have listed here.

Joanna
7th June 2016, 05:43
Novusod, how instances of 'memory disparity' are interpreted will depend on your point of view. If you view from the perspective, as you say of yourself, of being someone from a parallel reality, then you're likely to interpret these sort of instances as examples of that - or at least, suggesting it.

Another viewpoint could be that individual and collective mismatching or changed/changing memories are part of the effect on consciousness/beings/souls that are involved in and with an apparent reality which is in fact a simulation - and that these mismatches would then be evidence of 'cracks' appearing in the realism of the simulation.
If this was the case, one would need to know whether these mismatches are happening more often than they used to, or whether there's a long-term ongoing level of disjuncture that hasn't changed in quantity (or quality), to determine if this could be taken as a sign of the hold of the simulation weakening on those who are involved with - perceiving and experiencing - it.

The examples you've used are qualitatively different as measures. The Great Pyramid title swapping to a different pyramid at Giza isn't in the same mode of measure as words being changed in different editions of a book, such as the bible - which is contigent perhaps on human fallibility, but also on changing preferences, ideologies and intents of a given group of people in a given point in time.
You've just reminded me of the Lord's Prayer as I learnt it at school, which was this version:

Our Father, which art in heaven
Hallowed be thy name
Thy kingdom come
Thy will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread
And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us.
Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil
For thine is the kingdom, the power and the glory forever, Amen.

As you can see from the language I must come from a bygone era, haha. In the second last line, 'deliver us from evil' takes on a different slant as 'deliver us from the evil one', doesn't it? I don't regard or feel that as evidence of a parallel reality though, but more of a shift in collective focus toward concepts of evil...and reality.

enjoy being
7th June 2016, 08:45
I just discovered my own Mandela effect regards Mandela. I was sure at the time of his state funeral, after all the false alarms or murmurs of his passing, that there was plenty of stories that were pointing out the date of the procession and time of internment coincided nicely with the fact that on the 16th of December, the day after the 10 day national holiday culminating in the state funeral at the Union Buildings... the Voortrekker Monument, which is on site to the Union Buildings, has its annual 'purpose'. In that a beam of sunlight from an aperture in its dome strikes the cenotaph at 12 noon on the 16th of December to commemorate their Battle of Blood River in 1838. There were stories comparing into some of the other symbolism of this strange monument. But now it seems very hard to find anything about all of that.

add : Although I do see how my recollection of dates and skimming of other people's recollection of dates is far from faultless :-O

Novusod
8th June 2016, 04:08
This is more of an evidence gathering effort than anything else. I am not trying to prove any of these points individually but I want to get a conversation going about them. We have been discussing Sylvie's (NewEarth) Atlantis Survivor series for almost a year now. She proved history has been changed. This thread is built along similar lines but with a focus on the present. All of reality could be rewriting itself right under our noses without our noticing. The only problem is people are noticing. The Mandela Effect is a mass conscious event of the likes that has never been seen before. It is trending on Reddit and has its own forum now: https://www.reddit.com/r/MandelaEffect

The Mandela Effect has its own website http://mandelaeffect.com/
There are over 100 new videos on youtube uploaded every day on it. It is to the point where I can't keep track of it any more.

Here are some highlights I found in the last 24 hours:

This video somewhat shows that people aren't just miss-remembering things.
Magic Mirror scene in Skrek vs Snow White.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-HaeigBAGo
*Maybe people confusing Skrek with Snow White
*But then again why did the makers of Skrek get the line "Mirror, mirror on the wall" wrong if it is "Magic mirror?"

Also it is not just Shrek. There was a Star Trek episode from 1966 called "Mirror Mirror" which ironically enough involved an alternate reality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oOqQ38XLv8

The store JCPenny is now called JCPenney in this reality. The restaurant Ruby Tuesday used to be called Ruby Tuesday's.

Video from 2007 of George W Bush joking that Mandela is dead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbiddwzWLcI
*or maybe he is not joking. It hard to tell with Bush

More bible quotes:
Luke 17:34 - "I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left."

TWO men in one bed. That is not Kosher. It never used to say two men. It used to be two in one bed. This has a lot of hard core Christians freaked out including a priest (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXUBfc-DP-0).

Exodus 34:19 "All that openeth the matrix is mine; and every firstling among thy cattle, whether ox or sheep, that is male."

Since when is the word matrix in the bible? It used to say womb.

There is definitely something going on here. Parallel universe, Psyop, some history alteration program? In the book 1984 the government would delete people's memories with something called the "memory hole" and it was used to control the population.

modwiz
8th June 2016, 05:11
My last two Mystic View shows were about "Contrived History" and tonight we did the "Mandela Effect" which will go up this Sunday night. I will post the "History" show in my thread so as to not disturb this one. It is a conversation worthy of our consideration, IMO.

Regarding 'Scriptures" I believe we are seeing some old fashioned 3-D editing to accommodate current PC issues which are agenda driven. Things like 'stuff' and 'bottles' may be so common core students can relate. :rolleyes:

modwiz
8th June 2016, 05:16
I probably didn't explain the bible thing very clearly. These are both my personal bibles. The small bible is a pocket bible of the King James Version of Bible published in 1982. It is not a complete bible and has only some of the chapters of the New Testament. This bible is for some reason unchanged and still shows the old verses.

The larger bible is full King James version of the Bible published in 1972. It contains messed up quotes at least to my memory. Some people feel these are the way the quotes have always been. Both bibles should say the same thing.

The bible quotes in question are Matthew 9:17 where is says bottles instead of "wineskins" and Luke 17:31 where it says Stuff instead of "Goods." I have read that quote many times and always remember it being "wineskins" in KJV.

The Lords Prayer has also been changed in both the full bible and the mini bible (Matthew 6:9-13). This is what it says:


That is shocking to ME personally because that is not the prayer I memorized and recited daily for over 20 years. The Lords Prayer from Luke 11:2-4 is also changed and not as I remember. This is from the gospel of Luke:


On a side note the Lord's prayer was always different between what Matthew and Luke remembered. Both Matthew and Luke heard the same quote from Jesus but remembered it differently.



It is healthy to be skeptical especially about something like this. It is fair enough that some people do miss-remember things. For the bibles I will get some pictures of the copyrights shortly.

EDIT: Full Bible ______________________________________________ Mini Bible
http://i.imgur.com/Vtumqmz.jpg http://i.imgur.com/QNOcLIn.jpg
-on second look they DO seem to be different versions KJV vs New JKV
-The point I am trying to make is not that these bibles are different but that the KJV is saying things it is not supposed to say



I looked at that very Etymology page before making my original post. "Stuff" used in the 1300s did NOT means peoples' things. First reference to "Stuff" is as a verb. As a noun "Stuff" referred to the padding in quilts and clothing. People referring to their possessions as "Stuff" is 20th century lingo. Luke 17:31 mentioning "Stuff in the house" instead of "goods in the house" is beyond weird.

There a many other things than I have listed here.


Yes, scripture is getting stuffed up. I would like the editors to go stuff themselves. Less violent than beating the stuffing out of them, lol.

jcocks
8th June 2016, 06:11
You've just reminded me of the Lord's Prayer as I learnt it at school, which was this version:

Our Father, which art in heaven
Hallowed be thy name
Thy kingdom come
Thy will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread
And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us.
Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil
For thine is the kingdom, the power and the glory forever, Amen.

As you can see from the language I must come from a bygone era, haha. In the second last line, 'deliver us from evil' takes on a different slant as 'deliver us from the evil one', doesn't it? I don't regard or feel that as evidence of a parallel reality though, but more of a shift in collective focus toward concepts of evil...and reality.

I was just about to say i remember the lords prayer exactly as you typed it then. Funily enough, i also come from perth. I wonder if theres any correlation there?

Joanna
8th June 2016, 06:20
I was just about to say i remember the lords prayer exactly as you typed it then. Funily enough, i also come from perth. I wonder if theres any correlation there?

Oh, do you, jcocks? Well, the period I'm talking about is the 1960s-70s, and I presume 'the schools version' has changed since then!?

Novusod
8th June 2016, 06:25
My last two Mystic View shows were about "Contrived History" and tonight we did the "Mandela Effect" which will go up this Sunday night. I will post the "History" show in my thread so as to not disturb this one. It is a conversation worthy of our consideration, IMO.

Regarding 'Scriptures" I believe we are seeing some old fashioned 3-D editing to accommodate current PC issues which are agenda driven. Things like 'stuff' and 'bottles' may be so common core students can relate. :rolleyes:

You can post your video here because it is certainly relevant to the conversation. In fact I intend to do a lot of cross posting with other topics.

For example Sylvie's conclusion video discusses parallel reality. She said that people who have grown to have a taste for parasitic reality will continue on in that reality while others will get to experience a peaceful reality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQ7Ao68g0Bw
She said it would take 400 years to happen but I think this Mandela effect is evidence that it is happening right now. If we are lucky maybe all those evil Illuminati types will simply get erased. They will become nothing more than a figment of our imaginations because they don't exist in the new shifted reality.

What Sylvie was talking about is based on the Vedic texts. I have some knowledge of Vedic scriptures but I am by no means an expert. Another mystic a few years back described it multi reality as a radio station. Some stations play classical music while other play heavy metal and all you have to do is change the dial if you don't like what you are listening to.

The odd thing is the current Mandela effect is not the first shift I ever experienced. I experienced another shift in the mid 90s. As I mentioned in other threads I have been remote viewing for years and even decades ever since I was a child. After I experienced the shift in the 90s I did a remote viewing and this is what I came up with.
This writing was made before being exposed to any conspiracy theories on the internet. I didn't even have internet at the time.
http://i.imgur.com/24GvQiO.jpg

In the very first reality there was no such thing as Illuminati. There was another group that controlled the planet but they weren't evil. Then there was a shift and everything felt darker. From these experiences I know there are other realities. I strongly believe that. Right now I feel like there is an even bigger shift than what occurred in the mid 90s.

jcocks
8th June 2016, 06:27
I was in primary school in the 80s.

It's possible that these little differences may be more a sign of time travel rather than alternate realities in some cases.... its hard to say.

Aragorn
8th June 2016, 13:53
You've just reminded me of the Lord's Prayer as I learnt it at school, which was this version:

Our Father, which art in heaven
Hallowed be thy name
Thy kingdom come
Thy will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread
And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us.
Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil
For thine is the kingdom, the power and the glory forever, Amen.

As you can see from the language I must come from a bygone era, haha. In the second last line, 'deliver us from evil' takes on a different slant as 'deliver us from the evil one', doesn't it? I don't regard or feel that as evidence of a parallel reality though, but more of a shift in collective focus toward concepts of evil...and reality.

I was just about to say i remember the lords prayer exactly as you typed it then. Funily enough, i also come from perth. I wonder if theres any correlation there?

Just for the record, I would like to comment here that the text of Christian prayers is indeed actively being changed these days, albeit that it's got nothing to do with a purported convergence between multiple parallel realities. Mind you, I am not saying that such a convergence may not be happening. I don't know. I prefer to examine the alleged evidence before jumping to any conclusions.

The real reason as to why the religious texts and prayers are changing is simply that it's an official and canonical attempt at modernizing the prayers. I've actually read about this in the Dutch-spoken mainstream news only about a week ago or so, and the article contained a copy of the new Dutch version of the above-quoted prayer.

Of course, some religious people have for a while already been saying that the texts of scriptures and prayers, and the religious rituals, would all be changed because Satan has taken over the Roman Catholic Church. And strangely enough, a woman who claimed to be channelling Jesus — as well as God and Mother Mary — has already announced this change two to three years ago.

Now, I don't subscribe to any religions, and while I do believe that this woman would be channelling something, I don't believe for one second that it would be either Jesus, Mary or God. But it's interesting nevertheless that the entity identifying as "Jesus" through this woman was manically ranting about the changes in the scriptures and the rituals as being satanic and masonic. It seemed to be the only thing he really cared about, and like I said, this was two to three years ago. This "Jesus" also stated that Pope Francis is in league with the Antichrist and that Pope Benedict XVI was the last pope who was officially chosen by "Jesus" to lead "his church".

Once again, I'm not going to be jumping to any conclusions, because quite frankly, I don't have even the faintest idea what's going on with this. I also don't feel like feeding into any fear porn about the coming of the Antichrist, the Beast, the false prophets or whatever other "fire & brimstone" events, because as far as I'm concerned, organized religions themselves have already been as satanic as it gets from the moment of their inception on. Nothing new under the sun.

On the other hand, I cannot deny that there's a certain prophecy being fulfilled here. Again, I have no idea what it means. All I can do is point it out. :hmm:

Divine Feminine
8th June 2016, 19:19
I'm a little late to the party, but wanted to offer some unexplored content that might relate to the issue of the Mandela Effect. Coast to Coast recently had Dr. Bruce Goldberg on as a guest. You can listen here:
http://jandeane81.com/threads/9377-Coast-To-Coast-Ancient-ET-War-Animal-Mutilations-26-May-2016

http://www.drbrucegoldberg.com/images/BB_ORIGshow_BruceG.jpg
Dr. Bruce Goldberg

He discusses parallel universes and how to access them. I haven't explored his methods personally, but I'm wondering if this might explain the above phenomena. He teaches a specific technique for the process; but is it possible people are doing something automatically that's so subtle they don't even realize they're accessing different parallels on their own, hence experiences that are enforcing the existence of the Mandela Effect? Check it out if you have time it's not too long of an interview, maybe this is the missing link?

Dr. Goldberg talks fast so listen closely...You may get the impression he sounds like a snake oil salesman because of it, but I can tell you, being a researcher myself, when you spend hours accumulating information up in your brain, you have a tendency to talk fast because you're trying to get every bit of information out that you've discovered so others can learn from what you've acquired. Also, Goldberg lives in California, like I once did, and Californians have a tendency to talk rapidly due to the fast pace life of their surroundings, especially Southern California where traffic is ridiculous and everyone is in a hurry, so take that into consideration when listening. I found him a little difficult to follow as when you're hearing new information, the brain needs a little time to process and absorb.

My own Mandela Effect off the top of my head if this qualifies, is the Lord's Prayer as Joanna has written with the exception of one word change...Our Father who art in Heaven.....so 'who' not 'which'. The other is the word dilemma. I seem to remember spelling it dilemna.

From Coast to Coast website:

"First hour guest(coast to coast am), expert in hypnosis and time travel, Dr. Bruce Goldberg, discussed parallel universes and how to safely travel to the fifth dimension. He shared the case of a depressed Los Angeles woman whom he took through a hypnotic progression in which she experienced various future "frequencies"-- parallel universes of different possibilities from poor to average to ideal. By focusing on the future life she wanted among the options, she was able to manifest it into her life, he explained. When attempting to visit the astral plane or higher dimensions, Goldberg suggested low light conditions with minimal noise, wearing loose fitting or no clothes, and avoiding drugs or alcohol.
Dr. Bruce Goldberg holds advanced degrees in dentistry and Counseling Psychology and conducts a thriving international hypnotherapy practice in Los Angeles that specializes in reincarnation, time travel and consciousness raising. In 1987 he was inducted into the International Hypnosis Hall of Fame. Dr. Goldberg has written 18 books and over two dozen scientific articles on his work. He has appeared on several national television programs and has conducted over 35,000 past life regressions and future life progressions on over 14,000 patients since 1974. His first book, Past Lives, Future Lives, was the very first book ever written on taking patients into future lives. His second book, The Search For Grace, was made into a CBS movie. His newer books which include, Past Lives, Future Lives Revealed, Ascension and Spirit Guide Contact Through Hypnosis, teach how to time travel, meet time travelers, leave our body and grow spiritually."

PS This topic must be running the airwaves or something as Clyde Lewis was discussing the Mandela Effect on his show, Ground Zero, about week ago...all the same points being discussed here.

EDIT TO ADD:



For example Sylvie's conclusion video discusses parallel reality. She said that people who have grown to have a taste for parasitic reality will continue on in that reality while others will get to experience a peaceful reality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQ7Ao68g0Bw
She said it would take 400 years to happen but I think this Mandela effect is evidence that it is happening right now. If we are lucky maybe all those evil Illuminati types will simply get erased. They will become nothing more than a figment of our imaginations because they don't exist in the new shifted reality.

What Sylvie was talking about is based on the Vedic texts. I have some knowledge of Vedic scriptures but I am by no means an expert. Another mystic a few years back described it multi reality as a radio station. Some stations play classical music while other play heavy metal and all you have to do is change the dial if you don't like what you are listening to.
I'll try and listen to this video you mentioned Novusod, she might be saying the same thing as Goldberg...I think I'm understanding better how this is possible....the realities are taking place all around you, which dimension you're in is determined by your choices.

bsbray
8th June 2016, 22:13
There are literally hundreds of Bible translations into English. They don't each take place in a parallel reality and then teleport here through a dimensional warp to reach us. They are all printed here the same way as any book is printed, with a press.

Here are various translations of the Lord's Prayer: http://www.csdirectory.com/biblestudy/lords-prayer.pdf

I've been curious about Goldberg's ideas for a while. He could be right, and he could be wrong. I'm willing to entertain the idea. But I'll say again that if anyone wants to actually prove any of this then they are going to have to come up with a testable hypothesis that excludes all other possibilities. That would be the logical and reasonable thing to do, to test the idea. Human fallibility and ignorance are enough to explain why people remember things wrong 99% of the time as far as I'm concerned.

lookbeyond
8th June 2016, 22:52
Im wondering if the feeling of deja vu has anything to do with "parallel timelines", makes sense somewhat, moving between timelines anawares..

bsbray, with respect, not everything in life can be proven, i have had experiences that i am unable to prove to anyone else,this does not mean that they did not and can not occur, maybe some things in our lives just are, and their nature prevents "proof" ?, lb

Divine Feminine
8th June 2016, 23:45
I hear ya bsbray and I don't think how each of us remember bible phrases is an indication of the mandela effect either, I just brought it up to affirm what others were saying on the same topic. A proper protocol might help to establish any proof of a 'mandela effect', if that's even possible.

But what do you guys think of this idea...What if your decisions determine what reality you're in? Since we know words and beliefs vibrate at a frequency and that beliefs create realities,(thank you Biology of Belief and the Study of Epigenetics).. couldn't that in essence establish a dimension? I would say the answer is yes. So your choices have vibrational meaning which falls in line with your beliefs...So maybe it's not that you actually 'go' to another place, but rather the reality/dimension you experience is based on the vibratory rate of your choices, hense resulting in multiple dimensions happening right before your eyes? And could this be why you have variances within a dimension such as a lower 5D and an upper 5D? Maybe I'm making it too simple.....I'm sure it's more complex than this and I could be completely off here, but I can see how this theory would work especially if it's true that we live within a 'computer simulation'. I do believe some of what we experience is by design so while we might not remember, it may be true that we have a life plan mapped out pre-birth which is what is often discussed by those who share their NDE experiences and the results of people who explore the work of past life regressionists. Regardless, someone who has lived many lives might find themselves in a dimension that doesn't suit them, with the point being to learn something from the experience they wouldn't have the opportunity to learn unless put into a different dimension. So whatever situation they're put into, it's the choice they make that determines if they're going to bump to a different dimension than where they started. I would have to listen to Dr. Goldberg more to see if my theory falls in line to what he's saying. Maybe there's a better way of presenting this concept than what I'm coming up with....It's hard not to think in linear terms when it comes to dimensions as one often assumes another dimension has to be somewhere where one cannot see what's going on, but I'm not sure that's entirely the case. What do you guys think? It would be interesting to come up with one solid piece of evidence that irrefutably supports the 'mandela effect' to see if it stands under the theory I'm suggesting which does have some scientific backing.

bsbray
9th June 2016, 01:31
bsbray, with respect, not everything in life can be proven, i have had experiences that i am unable to prove to anyone else,this does not mean that they did not and can not occur, maybe some things in our lives just are, and their nature prevents "proof" ?, lb

I understand not everything can be proven, which is why I'll remain undecided on all of this until someone develops a testable hypothesis. I have given up having faith in unprovable ideas because I have realized that I have been wrong and had to change my mind too many times already. The "alternative community" personalities are great for leading people along this way, between the Corey Goodes and Simon Parkeses of the world.

At any rate the reverse is not true, that just because something cannot be proven means that it's correct. The reason there are formal methods for testing ideas and trying to prove them in the first place is because people used to believe some crazy stuff just because the Catholic Church said so, anything from the idea that the Earth is the center of the universe to the idea that torturing guilty people produced different results than torturing innocent people. Most people actually believed this stuff, and the consistent stream of nonsense coming from the authorities became such a problem that people had to invent a way to independently verify if things were true or not regardless of human opinions on the matter. I would hope that people not come to scorn reasoning, because it would not be a step forward. If it's used properly it is an invaluable tool for providing reality checks, no pun intended.

I'm willing to entertain the idea in general (that an infinite number of alternative realities do exist and are accessible by some means) but I think there is a lot of fuzzy thinking going on in terms of how shifting between parallel realities might work, because I don't think that physical objects would go as if haphazardly along with the individual who shifts realities. I also think things like "so-and-so used to be dead but now they're alive" or "I remember such-and-such this way but here I see it this way" are totally unreliable arguments in this case. In terms of formal logic they are fallacious because they do not exclude (or even consider) other possible explanations, and shifting between realities is certainly not the only possible explanation, so these arguments are non sequitur (ie there is no reason that this conclusion must follow the alleged facts).

Novusod
9th June 2016, 03:35
Maybe this doesn't prove anything. But I will give it a shot.

Take the Forrest Gump quote.

Remember the movie quote where it says: "Life was like a box of chocolates..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJh59vZ8ccc
*This video was posted to youtube 5 years ago and is titled "Life is like a box of chocolates..." but Forrest Gump says "Life was" not "Life is."

Same Mandela effect shows up on the DVD cover where it says "Life is like a box of chocolates..."
http://i.imgur.com/l0sjRvS.jpg

Double links proving it is not photoshopped:

Link 1 (http://www.webmallindia.com/img/film_additional_images/forrest_gump+back.jpg)
Link 2 (http://www.freedvdcover.com/wp-content/uploads/Forrest_Gump_1994_WS_CE_R1_-front-www.GetCovers.net_.jpg)

Some theories on the Mandela effect is that realities are merging. You have reality "A" and reality "B."
In reality "A" the quote goes: "Life is like a box of chocolates..."
In reality "B" the quote goes: "Life was like a box of chocolates..."
Both those realities merged and now we are living in reality "C" where the box cover is from reality "A" and the movie inside is from reality "B."
The new reality didn't completely replace the old reality. They merged and now some of us are from reality "A" and some are reality "B" but now we are all living in shared reality "C."

This should be considered at least a partial test able proof. If you have a Forest Gump DVD look at what it says on the box and then go play the movie.
If this is reproducible they we really have something. Some skeptics will still say it was just an error in printing the box.

BUT... that can't explain:

Weird Al's "Gump" parody which uses the line "Life is like a box of chocolates."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Oo3xRkDIAM

enjoy being
9th June 2016, 05:18
The area of topic regards changing of quotes and the like is a bit of a puzzle to me but do not give it too much more time than that, I am not sure what it means if it is indeed a thing. I am not sure it can be tightly outlined as any specific thing even if it were shown to be, an actual thing. I feel it is a thing which would be clearer to see from the other side of some other area of understanding. Like finding a fragment of pottery and trying to imagine the form it came from. It is not impossible but, maybe as a defeatist, or maybe wisely, I identify this part as a black hole or a piece of possible evidence for a bigger picture. In this instance if it is a thing, to me it is not a door way, it is evidence of a doorway, but in so much as something that is dropped accidentally which has no meaning by what it is, just in that it happened.

Parallel realities exist in day to day life though. I think using those words will make people start thinking about a topic more like the above, some weird multiple of cloned realities inhabiting space. Even using words like timelines helps, but may also have an invocative/evocative tendency to make it sound like some sort of extraordinary thing.

"I hope I am going about putting this in words the right way" though that is just my own snippet of my reality in that moment which I am offering up for people to do with what they will. They might use it or discard it as information. Apply their reality to it and decipher it differently. In other examples they might buy into it as a shared view of reality. They may actually share that view, or they may have been manipulated to believe they do.

This happens in even small ways, and perhaps in some cases it work to say they can be the pebbles in the foundation for bigger things to sit.

20 something years ago it was a Saturday, and one of my room mates had picked up from the airport, an old family friend who had been living abroad. We were sitting there and they had been talking about life and times and then people from back home. The visitor asked how Sue was and the room mate answered and gave a run down on a few things, visitor nodding. Visitor adds, "..and she still working as a nurse?"
"Yes, she is still doing the nursing" is the replies, and he goes on about this that and the other, all quite informative stuff about this person Sue, download his reality of what Sue has been doing and therefore who she now is. The conversation about her went on for maybe 10 minutes, I am not doing it justice. The visitor was emotionally involved, happy about some of Sue's news. "Aww that's so awesome she's had another child" etc.
Until the visitor said after a pause, where the topic was due to change, "Oh and what about her brother, what happened with him?"
"What brother?"
"Her brother, brother!"
"She doesn't have a brother!"
Different Sues. They were similar enough to have many things overlay and go unnoticed while talking. It amazed me, an innocent scenario like that without any intent to distort matters, and they were moments away from going their separate ways, none the wiser, each with a distorted view of reality. This person almost walked away thinking her Sue had had another child for instance.
It must surely happen other times. And times when people are in fact none the wiser.
If we create our own reality, we do it at times with the words we use to describe things and the various distortions and madness's we share. Madness's as in being a false witness. Having a fear and creating a story around it which is untrue but makes you feel better, and then sharing that story as testament to reality, and those people believing it and shaping their experience around it.

..And now... I have lost that train of thought. :scrhd: :lol:

Novusod
9th June 2016, 05:54
Here are a couple more short videos:

Disney Snow White Book copyright 1973 featuring the quote "mirror, mirror on the wall."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scdF03wS6ao

Poster from the live action Snow white movie called "Mirror, Mirror"
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/e7/fc/79/e7fc79563412425031d346e068e0c48f.jpg
IMDB link (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1667353/?ref_=nv_sr_2)


Simpsons Parody of "Luke, I am your father."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOOb_o06adA


On Geography some people claim South America moved.

What Google Earth shows.
http://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/posts/2013/12/Screen_Shot_2013_12_26_at_11.01.01_PM/bd35ba12d.png

This picture below caught my eye.
Emblem from Star Trek Mirror Mirror (1966)
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/87/e3/20/87e320c77971c6eb2b0c8b871493c1c2.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/e7/53/fe/e753fe4fc6b7d12f42352b03fc759eb0.jpg
Shifted? YES, No, matter of perspective. Inaccurate old maps.
http://antark.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/ants-of-americas-world-map.jpg

scibuster
9th June 2016, 06:04
yes yes yes,
Alzheimer is on the way.
And I have lost and forgotten all my incarnation memories.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_map_projections

Many journalists or filmmakers do not have the fully understanding of all those
complicated projections.
"In which case I have to use which projection ?"
Some ship-captains have more knowledge.
Nowbody has all knowledge.

ZShawn
10th June 2016, 15:05
given that everyone has been marinating in aluminum and other neurologically active toxins, it isn't surprising that this thing exists as a thing at all.
however, history is not what it seems and everything seems to run on wild speculations and presumptions, held up by dubious claims and vigorously defended against questions..... curious theater we are all involved in...isn't it.

bsbray
10th June 2016, 18:01
This should be considered at least a partial test able proof. If you have a Forest Gump DVD look at what it says on the box and then go play the movie.

It could be evidence, but the problem is that it does not exclusively prove that your entire reality has shifted into a new reality (an entirely new reality -- aside of course from the cover of the DVD, which for some reason shifted reality with you, and all the people who quote the movie incorrectly now, according to this way of thinking). It could also be proof of the looseness with which movie quotes are remembered and promoted, or how the human brain arranges and remembers sensory perception (because the human brain does have a tendency to change what it perceives in order to make it fit a more familiar pattern). These are much more mundane explanations that explain it just as well, if not better, since in those cases we don't have to deal with why a DVD cover (or any physical object at all) followed you into this "new reality." Because there are other hypotheses that could equally apply here, and you are not able to exclude them, is why this is not actually proof of your hypothesis. You'd have to have some evidence that supports your hypothesis while excluding all other possibilities.

If I were living with my girlfriend, a dog, and a cat, and I woke up one morning and someone had destroyed my nice pair of headphones, my immediate suspicion would be that it was either the dog or the cat, which I think would be reasonable enough. But let's say I suspect it was my girlfriend's cat but she rather thinks that it was my dog that did it. So I see scratch marks on them. I can't say that it proves the cat did it, because my girlfriend could argue that my dog's teeth did it. So then I can find cat hair all around it too, but my girlfriend would point out that there is cat hair all over the place already, and again it proves nothing. But then if I were listening to my headphones right before I went to bed, and they were fine, and the dog was outside or locked up in its cage all night, and my headphones were damaged during this time, then it excludes the dog from being able to chew my headphones up and now we "know" it was the cat (short of some completely fantastical chain of events anyway). This is the kind of exclusionary evidence you'd need to rule out other hypotheses.



I have played with the idea of multiple realities for several years, and sometimes I take it for granted that they exist and we can travel between them at will, because as Robert Anton Wilson says (and I am paraphrasing, so don't accuse me of coming from a parallel reality because I don't get the exact words), "I don't believe anything, I just have suspicions." So I can be pretty fluid in my thoughts without having to stick hard and fast to any given idea.

What I tend to believe personally about all of this is that consciousness itself is the determining factor in what set of reality we are experiencing. Whether you want to look at it from the angle of "free will," and we consciously (ie with our consciousness) make decisions that determine how reality unfolds, and so "shift realities" in that way, or if you want to look at it from a more radical perspective that a change in our consciousness can literally change which reality we are experiencing without having to physically act upon it, I think there might be something to this. Ultimately I think we incarnate here for certain experiences and it would make sense (if that were the case) that each individual would have a lot of options available in order to satisfy that.

There's a big online game called "World of Warcraft" that exists across lots of servers. They duplicate the whole game world on each of these servers, so in that way they are like "parallel universes" of each other where things look more or less the same but the experiences that the players have can vary widely because there are different characters and different chains of events. You can switch between servers, and it would be like switching between different worlds/universes, but in the process you don't take anything else with you except yourself. There is no mechanism (as far as I know, maybe I'm wrong because I don't play the game) to take all of your inventory and that kind of stuff. You either also have it in the other world already or you don't.

This is maybe not the best example but it's more or less what I think would happen if people shift realities. Even atoms are not ultimately solid, "physical" things. They're energy. So if you change realities, it does not make sense to me that anything made out of atoms is going to warp to the new reality with you unchanged, because it's all just energy and the energy should be different. If you are carrying a bunch of random objects over with you as you change realities (like DVD covers), then I can't make any sense out of that by this hypothesis. I would sooner believe that the memory (which appears to be stored in the physical brain) is bad. People have trouble with memory all the time, and diseases can affect memory, so it is a fallible thing dependent on the physical world, at least so long as you are in a physical body. I don't claim to know the physics of the "soul" but I figure that it must have to do with consciousness, which would be the one thing that might cross unchanged from one reality to another.

It goes without saying that all of this stuff is extremely speculative. I would love to have proof of parallel realities (and so would the Farsight Institute -- they're working on it), and of the mechanics of how they interact with each other, but we don't have it here yet and that's why all of this is speculative and we should be taking it all with a big grain of salt to begin with. It could be right, it could be wrong, just like lots of things that we believe. I'm comfortable with the fact that there are some things that we just don't know, and we don't have to try to force it when there is just no real proof.

Incidentally, agnosticism, Taoism and Zen Buddhism seem to have a lot in common. :p


There is a Taoist story of an old farmer who had worked his crops for many years. One day his horse ran away. Upon hearing the news, his neighbors came to visit. "Such bad luck," they said sympathetically.

"Maybe," the farmer replied.

The next morning the horse returned, bringing with it three other wild horses. "How wonderful," the neighbors exclaimed.

"Maybe," replied the old man.

The following day, his son tried to ride one of the untamed horses, was thrown, and broke his leg. The neighbors again came to offer their sympathy on his misfortune.

"Maybe," answered the farmer.

The day after, military officials came to the village to draft young men into the army. Seeing that the son's leg was broken, they passed him by. The neighbors congratulated the farmer on how well things had turned out.

"Maybe," said the farmer.

Novusod
11th June 2016, 01:14
bsbray I don't think your critique is a valid one.

One misplaced thing is an anomaly
Two is a coincidence
Three is a trend

You can't dismiss these points on the frailty of human memory because there is physical evidence or "reality residue" of the Mandela effect occurring. It is not just people's memories and imaginations. It is really happening and can't be dismissed.

Forrest Gump proof (physical evidence only)
- Video from 5 years ago miss-titled with the old quote "Life IS like a box of chocolates"
- DvD box art being wrong
- Weird Al's gump parody also being wrong

Snow White quote
- Disney book from 1973 with the wrong quote "Mirror, mirror"
- Star-Trek episode called "Mirror, mirror" as a homage to Disney movie but it is wrong
- Shrek movie saying "Mirror, mirror"
- Live action movie staring Julia Roberts called "Mirror, mirror."
(That is 4 physical evidences)

Star Wars Empire Strikes back "No I am your father."
- Simpson's parody gets it wrong
- James Earl Jones gets it wrong in an interview
- Robot Chicken parody gets it wrong. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgbkN9vb__8
* Other parodies get it wrong as well

bsbray, there is a point where healthy skepticism turns into denial. Now I have given three instances of Mandela effect that are backed up in triplicate with physical evidence. YES, physical evidence.

To use your headphone example; lets say you woke up one morning and not only were your headphones destroyed but your shoes and wallet were chewed up as well. You let this slide for one week and then let it happened again. You blew it off a second time and it happened a third time on the following week. In total you lost 3 sets of headphones, 3 pairs of shoes, and 3 wallets. Would you still believe the nonsense about the cat doing it or would you finally put your foot down and do something about that dog destroying your stuff.

Or maybe you are just in denial because you love your dog so much you don't care that he is destroying your things. Maybe you are OK with that. But you have to understand a lot of people are not going to let stuff like that just slide down the "memory hole." People are not OK with massive inconsistencies. I am talking about the general public here. The general general public is waking up to the matrix for the first time ever in the history of this planet. Now, is not the time to be dismissive.

The Mandela Effect is real and cannot be debunked. What is causing the Mandela effect and what it all means is still open to debate but you can't deny that it is not happening because it is happening. It is real. There is physical proof of reality residue. This is evidence that can't be dismissed without simply ignoring it. As always you are free to believe whatever you want.

Maggie
11th June 2016, 03:05
bsbray I don't think your critique is a valid one.

One misplaced thing is an anomaly
Two is a coincidence
Three is a trend

You can't dismiss these points on the frailty of human memory because there is physical evidence or "reality residue" of the Mandela effect occurring. It is not just people's memories and imaginations. It is really happening and can't be dismissed.

Forrest Gump proof (physical evidence only)
- Video from 5 years ago miss-titled with the old quote "Life IS like a box of chocolates"
- DvD box art being wrong
- Weird Al's gump parody also being wrong

Snow White quote
- Disney book from 1973 with the wrong quote "Mirror, mirror"
- Star-Trek episode called "Mirror, mirror" as a homage to Disney movie but it is wrong
- Shrek movie saying "Mirror, mirror"
- Live action movie staring Julia Roberts called "Mirror, mirror."
(That is 4 physical evidences)

Star Wars Empire Strikes back "No I am your father."
- Simpson's parody gets it wrong
- James Earl Jones gets it wrong in an interview
- Robot Chicken parody gets it wrong. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgbkN9vb__8
* Other parodies get it wrong as well

bsbray, there is a point where healthy skepticism turns into denial. Now I have given three instances of Mandela effect that are backed up in triplicate with physical evidence. YES, physical evidence.

To use your headphone example; lets say you woke up one morning and not only were your headphones destroyed but your shoes and wallet were chewed up as well. You let this slide for one week and then let it happened again. You blew it off a second time and it happened a third time on the following week. In total you lost 3 sets of headphones, 3 pairs of shoes, and 3 wallets. Would you still believe the nonsense about the cat doing it or would you finally put your foot down and do something about that dog destroying your stuff.

Or maybe you are just in denial because you love your dog so much you don't care that he is destroying your things. Maybe you are OK with that. But you have to understand a lot of people are not going to let stuff like that just slide down the "memory hole." People are not OK with massive inconsistencies. I am talking about the general public here. The general general public is waking up to the matrix for the first time ever in the history of this planet. Now, is not the time to be dismissive.

The Mandela Effect is real and cannot be debunked. What is causing the Mandela effect and what it all means is still open to debate but you can't deny that it is not happening because it is happening. It is real. There is physical proof of reality residue. This is evidence that can't be dismissed without simply ignoring it. As always you are free to believe whatever you want.

I don't understand what you are pointing towards? You do believe things changed? But if they altogether changed, why would there be varied memory? Is this memory or change REALLY?

In my memory, "mirror, Mirror" was what the Queen said. I thought people were saying it's "Magic Mirror" but old books show NOT.

in the Forrest Gump movie, he slurs the word so it could be heard as "was" but grammar points to "is"?
In my memory Nelson Mandela did not die in prison.

The only variant I sort of recall was Berenstein but I was too old to read those books...not my generation. I do see Berenstain on Google search? But I never paid attention until the controversy.

I am just as amazed at the traction of this meme as I was about the Flat Earth. I don't really doubt various timelines but what I don't get is the details that are being pointed towards as evidence nad the seeming controversy. I still think that a real changed timeline changes everything?

Novusod
11th June 2016, 04:09
I don't understand what you are pointing towards? You do believe things changed? But if they altogether changed, why would there be varied memory? Is this memory or change REALLY?

In my memory, "mirror, Mirror" was what the Queen said. I thought people were saying it's "Magic Mirror" but old books show NOT.

in the Forrest Gump movie, he slurs the word so it could be heard as "was" but grammar points to "is"?
In my memory Nelson Mandela did not die in prison.

The only variant I sort of recall was Berenstein but I was too old to read those books...not my generation. I do see Berenstain on Google search? But I never paid attention until the controversy.

I am just as amazed at the traction of this meme as I was about the Flat Earth. I don't really doubt various timelines but what I don't get is the details that are being pointed towards as evidence and the seeming controversy. I still think that a real changed timeline changes everything?

The queen says "Magic Mirror on the wall." This video is from a different reality then the one you grew up in if you think it says "Mirror, Mirror."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqmIMvWnIV8

Then there is the Shrek parody where he says "Mirror, Mirror."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H28TWyDJJ6I

These two videos should not exist in the same reality. The videos shouldn't contradict each other. They should both say "Mirror, Mirror" or both say "Magic Mirror." One video is from reality "A" and the other is from reality "B." This is proof of reality residue. Same thing goes with the book contradicting the movie version. The book and the movie should be the same BUT they are not. This is what makes the Mandela effect real.


The same phenomenon can be seen in Forrest Gump where the scene says "Life was like a box of chocolates" but "Life IS like a box of chocolates" is written on the DvD case. It written is right on the DvD case. There is no room to say it is a slurred line because it is written out clear as day: "Life is like a box of chocolates."
http://i.imgur.com/l0sjRvS.jpg

If the Mandela effect surprises you how much traction it gained then you need to dig deeper. What I gather from your own words is you are experiencing it. You just haven't realized it yet.

Joanna
11th June 2016, 04:47
Novusod, I'm also not quite 'getting' the logic of the evidence you're using?
With the Snow White example, if you showed me the same edition of say, the Disney movie, identical and produced/released at the same time, from the same batch, and they had such dissimilarities, that would be evidence. But to compare Disney's Snow White and Shrek's parody: these are two different creative works, not even from the same time period, so what law says they have to use the same words?
Do you see what I mean?

Also, alternate reality, parallel reality and parallel universe are being bandied about here - but they don't mean/infer the same thing...and then there are concepts of parallel dimensions.

The Mandela Effect may be well established evidentially, but as said earlier in this thread, if that is so, it could just as easily imply (or be used as proof that) cracks are appearing in the seamlessness of a simulation-based reality as they might imply the existence of alternate/parallel realities and/or universes.

Maggie
11th June 2016, 04:49
The queen says "[COLOR="#FF0000"]These two videos should not exist in the same reality. The videos shouldn't contradict each other. They should both say "Mirror, Mirror" or both say "Magic Mirror." One video is from reality "A" and the other is from reality "B." This is proof of reality residue. Same thing goes with the book contradicting the movie version. The book and the movie should be the same BUT they are not. This is what makes the Mandela effect real.

If the Mandela effect surprises you how much traction it gained then you need to dig deeper. What I gather from your own words is you are experiencing it. You just haven't realized it yet.

Disney is known for taking known fairy tales and giving a different spin in many ways. I don't understand how this proves changed time lines?
I don't see proof in these particular examples as IMO they could be just literary alteration?

But I have my own personal book deletions from my past. I distinctly recall some favored childhood books that may never have existed? One was called the "Lollipop Lion" It had to do with animal lollipops that could be stuck in a flower pot and then would change into the different animals. The story was of the misadventures of the lollipop lion.

I also have memories that may not have happened. Such is the imagination.

Really, IF this is what changing timeline bleed through looks like..., OK! But it sure looks like a bunch of nothing important.
Much of the alt community focus looks that way. Sorry, just IMO.

bsbray
11th June 2016, 07:15
bsbray I don't think your critique is a valid one.

One misplaced thing is an anomaly
Two is a coincidence
Three is a trend

You can't dismiss these points on the frailty of human memory because there is physical evidence or "reality residue" of the Mandela effect occurring. It is not just people's memories and imaginations. It is really happening and can't be dismissed.

Here's another example of this: when Neil Armstrong stepped out on the Moon (taking that for granted), what he said was not, as it's popularly portrayed, "That's one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind." But what he really said was "That's one small step for a man, one giant leap for mankind."

Like I said, this is not evidence that excludes other possibilities, like that people are just not remembering or interpreting what they hear correctly.

It is not just the memory that's fallible, but the whole way the brain processes what's coming into it. The two horizontal lines in this image are actually 100% straight and parallel to each other:

http://brainden.com/images/hering-illusion.gif

But because of the way your brain interprets what your eyes are seeing, those two horizontal lines look like they curve around the center point. This is an example of the fact that the human brain does not always interpret sensory input in a realistic way. There are lots of different examples of the brain misrepresenting colors, positions of objects, or even somehow not being able to see things that are right in front of them until they are pointed out by others.

The same is true for at least two other senses besides sight: hearing and touch. The brain matches the sounds it hears to familiar patterns, especially in the case of language, and when you listen to someone talk you are not actually processing every single word.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Czvgf-Xc-A4


I doubt you'll watch the whole 10 min video above, but anyway here's a shorter video with more interesting but less relevant examples of audio illusions:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzo45hWXRWU



Forrest Gump proof (physical evidence only)
- Video from 5 years ago miss-titled with the old quote "Life IS like a box of chocolates"
- DvD box art being wrong
- Weird Al's gump parody also being wrong

Snow White quote
- Disney book from 1973 with the wrong quote "Mirror, mirror"
- Star-Trek episode called "Mirror, mirror" as a homage to Disney movie but it is wrong
- Shrek movie saying "Mirror, mirror"
- Live action movie staring Julia Roberts called "Mirror, mirror."
(That is 4 physical evidences)

Star Wars Empire Strikes back "No I am your father."
- Simpson's parody gets it wrong
- James Earl Jones gets it wrong in an interview
- Robot Chicken parody gets it wrong. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgbkN9vb__8
* Other parodies get it wrong as well

I think it's probably not a coincidence that all three of these examples involve movie characters that are using altered voices and/or an unusual rhythm and inflection in their voice. The Queen in Snow White is speaking rhyming poetic lines in a dramatic manner, Tom Hanks has an artificial southern accent playing a mentally challenged man in Forest Gump, and Darth Vader has an obviously altered voice as well. In the Neil Armstrong example I mentioned above, his voice was also very clouded by static in the transmission, with unusual acoustics, and was not a natural human voice. Combine that with how the brain hears things, how it remembers (or rather paraphrases) speech that it heard previously, and it is not at all surprising that things sometimes don't go into or come out of the brain accurately.


bsbray, there is a point where healthy skepticism turns into denial. Now I have given three instances of Mandela effect that are backed up in triplicate with physical evidence. YES, physical evidence.

You're not getting my point. What you posted is 100% just as much evidence for what I'm saying it means, as it is for what you're saying that it means. Your explanation for this stuff in no way rebuffs an alternate explanation like the one I'm making. In others you have not actually proven anything, because you have not excluded other possibilities.


To use your headphone example; lets say you woke up one morning and not only were your headphones destroyed but your shoes and wallet were chewed up as well. You let this slide for one week and then let it happened again. You blew it off a second time and it happened a third time on the following week. In total you lost 3 sets of headphones, 3 pairs of shoes, and 3 wallets. Would you still believe the nonsense about the cat doing it or would you finally put your foot down and do something about that dog destroying your stuff.

Or maybe you are just in denial because you love your dog so much you don't care that he is destroying your things.

So basically you are saying that I don't want to believe that realities are shifting and so I'm in denial of your evidence. I really suspect that you didn't real my full post because most of it was talking about how I do in fact play with the idea of there being parallel realities that are possible to experience. If I was in denial about the whole idea of all of this then I wouldn't have posted that stuff, would I?


The Mandela Effect is real and cannot be debunked

I don't think debunking would even apply in this case because there is nothing to debunk. Trying to disprove the idea would be trying to prove a negative, which is generally not possible. That would be like trying to disprove that I won't die at the age of 97. No one has proven that I'll die at that age in the first place, any more than they've proven that I'll die next year or at any other age. The same is true with the explanation that you are arguing, about realities shifting being proven by these movies. It doesn't exclude other possibilities, like just bad recall. I know you say that 'can't be' what it is, but I don't see any actual reason why not.





The Mandela Effect may be well established evidentially, but as said earlier in this thread, if that is so, it could just as easily imply (or be used as proof that) cracks are appearing in the seamlessness of a simulation-based reality as they might imply the existence of alternate/parallel realities and/or universes.

Good point, Joanna. I missed that earlier in the thread. So there's a third possible explanation that we also can't exclude.

Elen
11th June 2016, 07:51
This was posted on PA today, and since it seems to be pertinent to this thread, I'll throw it in the mix:


Approximately two weeks ago a girl called me that I never knew. She told me I walked up to her gave her my phone number with my name on it.

Let me tell you why this is impossible with classical physics. I go to a dorm school called Dayton Job cors, and since I am a minor I cannot leave the campus monday through friday unlesswe are going on special trips. She called me and told me I gave her my number at walmart I asked her to describe me did perfectly!!

She said I was with a man and he called me back as if I walked away and he was ready to leave or something.

She tells me shes from somewhere in the UK and she just moved here recently two years ago. She was down here in Dayton Ohio at Walmart with family picking something up for her grandparents that lived down there and that I came up to her started talking and gave her a piece of paper with my.name and number.

I never remember doing this at all, it was physically impossible for me to do this based on the circumstances in which i i live under and where im.at i cant leave to do that even if I tried and especially not on that day and if I did i would of remembered.

So she tells me more about this that the only reason she called was because her girlfriend wanted to see if it was a joke or not mind you i am thinking the same thing, she tells me that i really did this and she called me to see if I was serious shes around my age lives in Columbus and apparently i went up to her and gave her my number and name because she called me and said is this Jayren and on my Facebook page it doesnt have my real name but it does have my number so even if she got my.number off of there she couldn't have known my name!!!!

What did I do? I'm thinking that I unlocked some power inside me that i unconsciously control to do these ridiculous things. Maybe a test of power? What is it and what is it called when you go to these placeds and do these things you cant remember but people remember you doing them. What is it called?

Whatever it is called I did, i told her all about it and she said that i did seem pretty "high" to get a girl like that to calll me my confidence did have to be pretty high as well. I believe I did do something but I cannot put my finger on it quite yet. Before that time I was having strange dreams and a lot of divinty going on within me and lots of questioniong as usual so when that happened it did not suprise me it just hit me as the first metaphysical thing i've done with proof.

The thread is here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91245-Being-in-two-places-at-once-help-&p=1073973&viewfull=1#post1073973

bsbray
11th June 2016, 16:09
on my Facebook page it doesnt have my real name but it does have my number so even if she got my.number off of there she couldn't have known my name!!!!

Even before I read this part I was wondering how much info she put about herself on her Facebook page. :p

She might not have put her own name on her page but how much do you want to bet one of her friends did in the comments or whatever they call those posts on Facebook.

scibuster
11th June 2016, 16:57
I also put no real name on my facebook.
But a part of my TOT name.

Maggie
11th June 2016, 16:58
Even before I read this part I was wondering how much info she put about herself on her Facebook page. :p

She might not have put her own name on her page but how much do you want to bet one of her friends did in the comments or whatever they call those posts on Facebook.

I read that post and it was very interesting and I do embrace bilocation, altering time lines and the time travel...all of what has been TRIVIALIZED in the Mandela effect. Padre Pio (http://www.miraclesofthesaints.com/2010/09/bilocation-of-st-padre-pio.html) and the "Lady in Blue" (http://www.elcaminoreal.org/PH/0612_blue_nun.pdf) come to mind as recorded to bilocate.

Unfortunately, I think if there is a collective controversy, it would primarily lie along the fault lines of reason. Skeptics have a very BAD reputation as people think that being skeptical is like being closed minded and denotes one who would act like a Troll. However IMO a skeptic is just in the middle between belief and nonbelief and is looking for the way to explain what seems impossible or unlikely. In the case of the Mandela effect, I am looking for evidence that is strong.

I think that the edge of explainable is fertile. I call it "woowoo" because it has a jubilant sound and it has a provenance of "put finger to ear and rotate it" which IMO is important in human expansion. This DEFINITELY needs to be balanced by logical consideration or (excuse me Flat Erath society) IMO the proponent falls off the edge of sanity and gives his cohorts the reputation of being stupid.

Lately I have been looking at street magicians. Some performances are traditional tricks, some variations but SOME have seemingly no logical explanations.
I am in love with the meme of "Keep the mind open but don't let the brains fall out".


1. The Believer response:
"These possibilities do exist so everything that might point to changed timelines proves it."

2. NON Believer response"I know there are alternative explanations so these PROVE timelines cannot be changed."

3. The Skeptic per wiki

"Skepticism or scepticism (see spelling differences) is generally any questioning attitude towards unempirical knowledge or opinions/beliefs stated as facts, or doubt regarding claims that are taken for granted elsewhere."

Isn't that definition grand as it includes the refusal to take ANYTHING at face value, cultural norms or paranorms.

bsbray
11th June 2016, 17:44
I think that the edge of explainable is fertile.

Yes, absolutely. All of the biggest discoveries always come from those fringe things that we didn't understand before, from studying little "anomalies" and these kinds of things. But like you say, it takes strong evidence for us to really be able to start to understand these things in a meaningful way. I understand that skepticism has gotten a bad name because of all of the hard-headed cynicism, but we can't throw the baby out with the bath water.

Maggie
11th June 2016, 18:08
Yes, absolutely. All of the biggest discoveries always come from those fringe things that we didn't understand before, from studying little "anomalies" and these kinds of things. But like you say, it takes strong evidence for us to really be able to start to understand these things in a meaningful way. I understand that skepticism has gotten a bad name because of all of the hard-headed cynicism, but we can't throw the baby out with the bath water.

I am 100% sure that cynicism comes from disappointment.

Take Disney for example. I think that the "disney-fication" evil is like that of the santa claus effect.
One of my major disappointments was about Santa Claus. I so believed in this magical being. Then my friends laughed at me. My parents were shamed face wen I confronted them. Being lied to about this magic made me doubt magic.

It took me to cynicism.

Disney does that to many children by pretense. For instance about Princesses....we are all Princes and Princesses as Divine Masculine and Feminine beings. But ideas like "what a Princess" was twisted around and made stupidly irrelavent to living from " I am the inheritor of greatness and beauty by my beingness".

Little boys and girls disappointed become big cynics. Just a small example of the concerted CULTURAL wish that we all throw magic out in favor of toil and trouble....

Novusod
11th June 2016, 19:39
Here's another example of this: when Neil Armstrong stepped out on the Moon (taking that for granted), what he said was not, as it's popularly portrayed, "That's one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind." But what he really said was "That's one small step for a man, one giant leap for mankind."

Like I said, this is not evidence that excludes other possibilities, like that people are just not remembering or interpreting what they hear correctly.

It is not just the memory that's fallible, but the whole way the brain processes what's coming into it. The two horizontal lines in this image are actually 100% straight and parallel to each other:

http://brainden.com/images/hering-illusion.gif

But because of the way your brain interprets what your eyes are seeing, those two horizontal lines look like they curve around the center point. This is an example of the fact that the human brain does not always interpret sensory input in a realistic way. There are lots of different examples of the brain misrepresenting colors, positions of objects, or even somehow not being able to see things that are right in front of them until they are pointed out by others.

The same is true for at least two other senses besides sight: hearing and touch. The brain matches the sounds it hears to familiar patterns, especially in the case of language, and when you listen to someone talk you are not actually processing every single word.


I doubt you'll watch the whole 10 min video above, but anyway here's a shorter video with more interesting but less relevant examples of audio illusions:

I think it's probably not a coincidence that all three of these examples involve movie characters that are using altered voices and/or an unusual rhythm and inflection in their voice. The Queen in Snow White is speaking rhyming poetic lines in a dramatic manner, Tom Hanks has an artificial southern accent playing a mentally challenged man in Forest Gump, and Darth Vader has an obviously altered voice as well. In the Neil Armstrong example I mentioned above, his voice was also very clouded by static in the transmission, with unusual acoustics, and was not a natural human voice. Combine that with how the brain hears things, how it remembers (or rather paraphrases) speech that it heard previously, and it is not at all surprising that things sometimes don't go into or come out of the brain accurately.


You're not getting my point. What you posted is 100% just as much evidence for what I'm saying it means, as it is for what you're saying that it means. Your explanation for this stuff in no way rebuffs an alternate explanation like the one I'm making. In others you have not actually proven anything, because you have not excluded other possibilities.


So basically you are saying that I don't want to believe that realities are shifting and so I'm in denial of your evidence. I really suspect that you didn't real my full post because most of it was talking about how I do in fact play with the idea of there being parallel realities that are possible to experience. If I was in denial about the whole idea of all of this then I wouldn't have posted that stuff, would I?

I don't think debunking would even apply in this case because there is nothing to debunk. Trying to disprove the idea would be trying to prove a negative, which is generally not possible. That would be like trying to disprove that I won't die at the age of 97. No one has proven that I'll die at that age in the first place, any more than they've proven that I'll die next year or at any other age. The same is true with the explanation that you are arguing, about realities shifting being proven by these movies. It doesn't exclude other possibilities, like just bad recall. I know you say that 'can't be' what it is, but I don't see any actual reason why not.



bsbray, you are absolutely missing the point. You are linking me videos about illusions and the brain misinterpreting sounds when that is NOT even what I am talking about. There is no wiggle room here to say this is some type of illusion or misheard line.

You can listen to this video 10 or 100 times if need by and it will always say "Life was like a box of chocolates."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJh59vZ8ccc

Then you can look at the DvD cover and see clear as day that it was printed with the wrong quote.
http://i.imgur.com/l0sjRvS.jpg

The same phenomenon can be observed in the Snow white example where the video says "Magic, mirror" but the book says "Mirror, mirror" along with other media saying "mirror, mirror." Why would Disney create a live action version of snow white titled "Mirror, mirror" if the original quote was "Magic mirror?" Please do explain:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqmIMvWnIV8

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/e7/fc/79/e7fc79563412425031d346e068e0c48f.jpg

Without an explanation you just being dismissive and/or not following the argument.

These are no illusions. It is not a street magicians trick. These evidences are what they are and they can't be dismissed in the way you are saying.

I am sorry bsbray but your explanations fall far short of what is needed to cast doubt on the Mandela effect.

The cause of the Mandela effect is NOT known either be me or anyone else. What I DO know is that the Mandela effect is real and it is happening.
Maybe it is not a parallel universe or alternate reality.
Ok maybe it is time travel, I can accept that.
Maybe it is simulated-based reality as Joanna pointed out.

What I cannot accept and will not accept is that Mandela effect is just some parlor trick or illusion. It has already been proven that it not an illusion.

bsbray
11th June 2016, 20:15
bsbray, you are absolutely missing the point. You are linking me videos about illusions and the brain misinterpreting sounds when that is NOT even what I am talking about. There is no wiggle room here to say this is some type of illusion or misheard line.

You can listen to this video 10 or 100 times if need by and it will always say "Life was like a box of chocolates."

I understood that the first time you posted all of this. The point you're missing is that people who watch the movie are probably not hearing or remembering the line correctly. I gave a fuller argument for this in my previous post, which you have not at all addressed. I still think you are not reading my posts. I read yours.


What I cannot accept and will not accept is that Mandela effect is just some parlor trick or illusion. It has already been proven that it not an illusion.

If it has already been proven then I didn't catch it. I guess we have different ideas about what the word "proof" means. If what you're posting can be equally explained by three or more different possibilities then none of them have been proven.

Also you don't have to keep posting the same images over and over. I'm not blind, and even if I was, posting a 2nd and 3rd time wouldn't make me regain my vision.

Novusod
12th June 2016, 03:36
I posted the images again because you dismissed them as an illusion. But I digress.

I feel like I am trying way too hard with you bsbray so I am just going to give it a rest and leave you to your beliefs. You will come around to it eventually, in your own time and in your own way.

enjoy being
12th June 2016, 04:34
Thanks for this thread Novusod, I still maintain the view from my earlier post. I am not sure what it means, but am able to see there is something strange. It cannot in my view be labelled without further information, and the effect it seems to have in thinking about it is more like some sort of vortex that sucks you int to a sate of unresolved confusion.
That is my other take on it, that it shows a certain sort of distortion in the perception of events and items, that we may well have happening around us all the time. Which is sort of where I was going recounting the story of Sue.
My main reason to post again is but for one example you have given. I am not a big movie watcher, so much of the stuff doesn't engage me. Probably because I don't have enough repetition of mantras or quotes in my head or in my life around friends repeating them for me. - sorry that's a bit superfluous, the one which is nagging me is Mirror, mirror on the wall.
I have even found some old time radio readings of the story. I am certain that the fragments of earliest memories of the story, Snow white, are ones involving at least sound. Meaning I am sure I heard the story as a child, I was sure it wasn't, heard, as in read out to me from a book by a parent. But in each old radio show I could find, it said Magic mirror.
This was bugging me because I am very certain that it was always Mirror Mirror on the wall. There is no way it wasn't.
However I may have finally remembered that when I finally watched the Disney movie as a child, that I was disappointed by hearing magic mirror.
My new theory on this, is that being a Grimms fairy tale, there has been a design change to avoid copyright, perhaps to legally try and own Snow White, by Disney. This has basically involved overlaying their version so heavily that the original wording has almost disappeared, to the point it makes one question if it ever happened.

Now, this dynamic could be just an interesting display of how easily people's recollections of things can be herded. Moments of WTC911 come to mind even.
It sort of shows our predisposition to soaking up reality but forgetting each files creation date in our memory. It truly was mirror mirror, when we were young, before Disney had a fuller blanket of control over 'kids stories".
Here's one including the Grimms fairy tales name. A "non American" production I presume.


https://youtu.be/II-OZIxS7Z0?t=3m38s

I have given it as a link queued to the right point for the quote to be observed.

bsbray
12th June 2016, 04:51
I posted the images again because you dismissed them as an illusion.

I never said the images (that you are posting) are an illusion. I'm saying that people often hear, see, and remember details incorrectly. Our brains are not like video recorders. They are very selective in what and how they remember.

You should really watch that video I posted above about phonological illusions and how our brains are interpreting the language that they hear. The guy in the video gives several examples where you could swear that he's saying one thing but he is in reality saying something else.

enjoy being
12th June 2016, 04:55
I am 100% sure that cynicism comes from disappointment.

Take Disney for example. I think that the "disney-fication" evil is like that of the santa claus effect.
One of my major disappointments was about Santa Claus. I so believed in this magical being. Then my friends laughed at me. My parents were shamed face wen I confronted them. Being lied to about this magic made me doubt magic.

It took me to cynicism.

Disney does that to many children by pretense. For instance about Princesses....we are all Princes and Princesses as Divine Masculine and Feminine beings. But ideas like "what a Princess" was twisted around and made stupidly irrelavent to living from " I am the inheritor of greatness and beauty by my beingness".

Little boys and girls disappointed become big cynics. Just a small example of the concerted CULTURAL wish that we all throw magic out in favor of toil and trouble....

Thanks Maggie, don't often hear people state these same things regards the affects of Santa disappointment to the subconscious of children. It is the first time probably that you will hear a young human enter that dynamic of "Nur nur you think he's real", the cynic that wants to ruin it for the rest, or the truth teller not being appreciated by others? The attitude to kids who tell other kids that Santa is not real, can be that they are mean for correcting the delusion. There is so much to learn from that area of development and how it limits a child's belief in fantasy. Somewhere in the middle is balance and discernment. Maybe the betrayal of the Santa story pushes people too far towards the direction of skepticism or shapes it into the type of 'skepticism' prevalent.
The learning that your parents can lie to you is a good lesson and a bad lesson. A good one when there are people who will lie to you in this world, a bad one when people lie to each other because they believe it to be normal.

Maggie
12th June 2016, 05:01
Now, this dynamic could be just an interesting display of how easily people's recollections of things can be herded. Moments of WTC911 come to mind even.
It sort of shows our predisposition to soaking up reality but forgetting each files creation date in our memory. It truly was mirror mirror, when we were young, before Disney had a fuller blanket of control over 'kids stories".
Here's one including the Grimms fairy tales name. A "non American" production I presume.


https://youtu.be/II-OZIxS7Z0?t=3m38s

I have given it as a link queued to the right point for the quote to be observed.

This herding of our recollection is apparent to me. I saw it with 9/11, and with Sandy Hook because I was interested in these events. I have no idea where the "Mandela Effect" meme started but is this some kind of distraction or way to have us all focused on unimportant and dismissable evidence that then might make light of concepts for the main stream observers? .

It has been interesting to me that even in the blatant case of 9/11, people have stuck with their beliefs. I think that people depend mightily on belief over evidence.

Every time I hear of people who should have changed their minds continue to lament that this was Islamic "terrorists", it shows me that people do not tend to make up their own minds based on evidence but on what they are persuaded to believe by " accepted authorities".

IMO the mental manipulation is all about making us doubt our own ability to know what is what.

The images gathered by Judy Wood pointing towards Directed Energy Weaponry, even in the alt community (which mostly accepts it was a kind of "inside job"), were disregarded by many. That is until "leaders" respected like Joseph Farrell have revealed the considerations from his new book. Maybe now it will become popular to remember it as an anomalous technologic feat?

Then with Sandy Hook, for the main stream observers of the story, there is some aversion to thinking it might have been a psyop based on emotional response to child murder. "How could our governement possibly perpetrate such an operation? And in many psyops, there is murder but many want to recall it as "no one really died" because there was another one where no one died?

The evidence for example about Sandy Hook looks like a nonfunctioning school and no children. In Paris attacks, the psyop for example IMO did murder people. Confusion is generated in all cases so we as a Collective cannot generate an adequate response.

And about the most important evsiceration is regarding our personal imagination. Entertainment like Disney and school "imagineers" and captures the development of authentic imagination.

I personally think that there is more to our imagination than any story BECAUSE the very act of our imaginating creates ANY story we are willing to invest in on a personal level. It may be that the imagination is creating timelines in some way. That we do not invest in some effective for us manner is the key question for me. My thoughts can be occupied by "the Mandela Effect" or in creating a new world...which will it be?

The Santa Claus effect IMO creates cynicism and we become jaded as children. When we do have some original observations, we doubt our own capacity. Then we swing about as believers and nonbelievers in something "fed us"? This ends up with no effective movement towards our own possibly unique life. The way we will swing from Believer to NONbeliever without ever taking ourselves seriously as creators through imagination is is maybe the exercise to master.

The imaginationer is the magician in us. It can be used for any purpose. We are easily herded into using it for others IMO and this is where skepticism is a tool.

Maggie
12th June 2016, 06:04
I found a good blog post about Disney though one can find many talking about Disney-fication.

The Negative Impacts of Disney's Animated Films (http://genisrebecca.blogspot.com/2015/12/how-disney-is-corrupting-society.html)

Novusod
13th June 2016, 06:18
This herding of our recollection is apparent to me. I saw it with 9/11, and with Sandy Hook because I was interested in these events. I have no idea where the "Mandela Effect" meme started but is this some kind of distraction or way to have us all focused on unimportant and dismissable evidence that then might make light of concepts for the main stream observers? .

It has been interesting to me that even in the blatant case of 9/11, people have stuck with their beliefs. I think that people depend mightily on belief over evidence.

Every time I hear of people who should have changed their minds continue to lament that this was Islamic "terrorists", it shows me that people do not tend to make up their own minds based on evidence but on what they are persuaded to believe by " accepted authorities".

IMO the mental manipulation is all about making us doubt our own ability to know what is what.

The images gathered by Judy Wood pointing towards Directed Energy Weaponry, even in the alt community (which mostly accepts it was a kind of "inside job"), were disregarded by many. That is until "leaders" respected like Joseph Farrell have revealed the considerations from his new book. Maybe now it will become popular to remember it as an anomalous technologic feat?

Then with Sandy Hook, for the main stream observers of the story, there is some aversion to thinking it might have been a psyop based on emotional response to child murder. "How could our governement possibly perpetrate such an operation? And in many psyops, there is murder but many want to recall it as "no one really died" because there was another one where no one died?

The evidence for example about Sandy Hook looks like a nonfunctioning school and no children. In Paris attacks, the psyop for example IMO did murder people. Confusion is generated in all cases so we as a Collective cannot generate an adequate response.

And about the most important evsiceration is regarding our personal imagination. Entertainment like Disney and school "imagineers" and captures the development of authentic imagination.

I personally think that there is more to our imagination than any story BECAUSE the very act of our imaginating creates ANY story we are willing to invest in on a personal level. It may be that the imagination is creating timelines in some way. That we do not invest in some effective for us manner is the key question for me. My thoughts can be occupied by "the Mandela Effect" or in creating a new world...which will it be?

The Santa Claus effect IMO creates cynicism and we become jaded as children. When we do have some original observations, we doubt our own capacity. Then we swing about as believers and nonbelievers in something "fed us"? This ends up with no effective movement towards our own possibly unique life. The way we will swing from Believer to NONbeliever without ever taking ourselves seriously as creators through imagination is is maybe the exercise to master.

The imaginationer is the magician in us. It can be used for any purpose. We are easily herded into using it for others IMO and this is where skepticism is a tool.

The Mandela Effect as a meme was started by Fiona Broome at a panel she hosted at Dragon Con in 2010. This has been going on for a while but I didn't believe it myself until I started doing my own research. The earliest examples of the Mandela effect with Mandela dying in prison didn't resonate with me as I remembered him becoming President of South Africa and then working for the UN. The Barenstein / Berenstain Bears meme of 2014 didn't really resonate with me either.

I don't sense there is any herding going on though because different things resonate with different people. For some it is the Berenstein Bears. For me it was Star Wars, Gump, Snow White and Bible Quotes. For others none of these work and there is great resistance to even talk about this with some people.


On a side note belief in Santa Clause never turned me into a cynic. I met Santa Clause, I sat on his lap, I knew from the very get go he wasn't magical. He was just "some guy" who delivered toys. In the eyes of a child Santa was no different than the mailman.

Maggie
13th June 2016, 17:56
I do like Cynthia Sue Larson.....

This came up today,

"The quantum Zeno effect (also known as the Turing paradox) is a situation in which an unstable particle, if observed continuously, will never decay. One can "freeze" the evolution of the system by measuring it frequently enough in its known initial state."

I think the observer effect is a law that works on the macro level also in the "matrix". It especially is effective when its about recalling what we think happened in the past. If we don't observe what "happened" by recalling it, it essentially did not occur for us IMO.

OK, so in 2005, someone came up with something to measure in observing different memories of events. Then more and more people observed the "Mandela Effect". The unstable condition of memory was measured and measured and as it was measured, firmed up into a "fact"....something changed. That now we cannot tell what "really" happened does not prove anything except that our mind is something we observe and our memories are malleable. So we are not our memories but the observer of memory.

This is a really potentially delicious condition if we can change what we remember so it creates a new pattern that helps us in ways we can use.

I am willing to use the principle and focus my measurements toward what I would like to firm up. That works for me. I need to use the Turing paradox to start freeze framing wonderful memories.

https://cynthiasuelarson.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/qjfocusongood.jpg?w=300&h=194


one the biggest benefits we can gain from harnessing the powers of the Quantum Zeno Effect is from experiencing more of what we enjoy, when we focus our attentive awareness on what we most appreciate and enjoy. Researchers have noted that one of the very best ways to overcome depression is to make note each day of a few things we are grateful for that we had something to do with. This simple appreciation exercise works well in writing, but you will likely notice obvious improvement even just when making mental note of what went well in your life in the past 24 hours that you had something to do with. Choosing What We Pay Attention To/ (https://cynthiasuelarson.wordpress.com/2015/10/03/improve-your-life-with-the-quantum-zeno-effect/)

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EDIT



Time on the Brain: How You Are Always Living In the Past, and Other Quirks of Perception (http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/time-on-the-brain-how-you-are-always-living-in-the-past-and-other-quirks-of-perception/)
It's not that our memory is a glitchy wetware version of computer flash memory; it's that the computer metaphor just doesn't apply. Roediger said we store only bits and pieces of what happened—a smattering of impressions we weave together into feels like a seamless narrative. When we retrieve a memory, we also rewrite it, so that the time next we go to remember it, we don't retrieve the original memory but the last one we recollected. So, each time we tell a story, we embellish it, while remaining genuinely convinced of the veracity of our memories.
So go easy on your friend who caught the 150-pound catfish. He wasn't consciously lying, which is why he spoke with conviction, but that still doesn't mean you should swallow his tale. To confuse is human; to accept we confuse, divine.

Novusod
13th June 2016, 21:30
I used Google Trends tool to compare search trends going back to 2004.

Berenstain Bears vs Berenstein Bears
http://i.imgur.com/xGoYtM0.jpg

Life was life a box of chocolates OR Life is like a box of chocolates
http://i.imgur.com/HL2u3vO.jpg

Magic Mirror vs Mirror mirror
http://i.imgur.com/oLe0GMQ.jpg

Luke I am your father vs No I am your father
http://i.imgur.com/NQH8vo9.jpg

Maggie
13th June 2016, 22:10
I used Google Trends tool to compare search trends going back to 2004.


I never have used that tool. Thanks.

I did more investigating.... media showed differences here:

Forrest's mother said herself that Life IS a box of chocolates.

SqOnkiQRCUU

"Magic mirror in my hand,
Who's the fairest in the land?"

q1u0YYQgwF0

"mirror, mirror on the wall,
Who's the fairest of them all?"

FHDq1ehz_cg

Was Nelson Mandela confused with Biko?
Biko's assassination galvanized people in my circles.


Because of his high profile, news of Biko's death spread quickly, publicizing the repressive nature of the apartheid government. His funeral was attended by over 10,000 people, including numerous ambassadors and other diplomats from the United States and Western Europe. Donald Woods, who photographed his injuries in the morgue as proof of police abuse, was later forced to flee South Africa for England. Woods later campaigned against apartheid and further publicised Biko's life and death, writing many newspaper articles and writing the book, Biko, which was later turned into the film Cry Freedom.[23] Speaking at a National Party conference following the news of Biko's death then–minister of police, Jimmy Kruger said, "I am not glad and I am not sorry about Mr. Biko. It leaves me cold (Dit laat my koud). I can say nothing to you ... Any person who dies ... I shall also be sorry if I die."

luVpsM3YAgw

Novusod
13th June 2016, 23:17
Nice finds Maggie. Just one thing to note on the Betty Boop clip from 1933 predates Disney's Snow White and the Seven Dwarves which came out in 1937. The original Grim Brothers tale of Snow White didn't use the word mirror at all. Disney made certain changes to the original fairy tale so they could establish their own copyrights. Disney was well known in the industry for taking fairy tales from the public domain, changing them and then establishing new copyrights. It was a big controversy then and it still is a major controversy now.

ZShawn
14th June 2016, 14:01
while a lot of these ...examples... are a bit specious and ridiculous , easily attributed to simple explanations, there are some instance that are really anomalous....
like this one that popped up recently:
http://www.reddit.com/r/MandelaEffect/comments/4b9yto/progressive_mandela_effect_isaiah_116/
which is one i am familiar with from my younger years and it seems that what I recall, and remember others speaking of, there is most definitely something quirky about this particular one, and would like to get some input from the others here who may have memories about this particular piece of literature, either specific or inferential.

ZShawn
14th June 2016, 14:12
152715281529
plenty of lion and lamb imagery to be found everywhere, and is common as I recall from childhood..... I don't recall ever seeing a wolf and lamb image together in all those years, and I grew up with a lot of protestant religious imagery around, spent a lot of time in the church and went to a bible college..... and it while i did read this passage before more than on one occasion, the idea of a wolf as being central to the verse never made an impression on me, which is odd as i am fairly accurate in recall of such things, which makes this oddity being pointed out all the more anomalous....
the other perspective is that, as an artist, commissioned to do a work based on this verse specifically, it seems odd, does it not, that the lion would be painted in as the central image, the primary, when in the textual flow of the passage it is the wolf that is obviously the first and central figure..... with the lion being named as a young lion....a cub, not a full grown male in his prime...... oddities abound.... if i was not personally, passably familiar with this text i wouldn't have even mentioned it, but the whole bit strikes me as being most curious in this case....... what do you guys think?

Novusod
14th June 2016, 17:43
Google Trends:

The lion shall lie down with the lamb vs The wolf will live with the lamb
http://i.imgur.com/6MwLXJa.jpg

*note the wolf quote showed so few hits it didn't even register on google trends.

Novusod
16th June 2016, 03:05
This probably isn't a Mandela effect but I noticed a change a few days ago in this very forum.

Anyone remember when the "Highlighted threads" forum was called "Priority Threads."
http://i.imgur.com/CrXIR8T.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/2BTa7n5.jpg

Also found this video to hilarious. Truth bombing people with the Mandela effect at the super market. A few of these guys were seriously shaken.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydGXKbQqNOg

Of all the things for people to have a paradigm shifting spiritual experience over people anchor their reality on Fruit Loops, CoCo Puffs, and Depends.

ZShawn
17th June 2016, 01:51
so thanks for posting that google trends image regarding the wolf quote..... was thinking that there might be more discussion about it.... ah well.

Novusod
19th June 2016, 20:30
Here is an interesting video in a couple ways.

It explores the sacred geometry of the Sistine Chapel painting the birth of man and possible changes due to the Mandela effect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaZ4ivcITQU

Something about it seems to be subtly off about the way the hands are pointed.
Color picture as it exists now.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/b3/ac/53/b3ac53e7ea102ae1af5131591afbd720.jpg


From memory the hands used to touch more like this:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/90/4c/5d/904c5d6809cdaf69d6bb001bd30aaeb4.jpg


Now Adam is giving God the Limp wrist.
http://i.imgur.com/HWLUWcq.jpg

Not to be homophobic or anything but that is GAY.

Novusod
20th June 2016, 03:25
I found something even more disturbing about this painting.

Take a close look at the way God is presented. He is sitting on a throne of Cherubs and they don't seem none too pleased. Look at their facial expressions. I see fear, I see anguish, I see pain, and embarrassment. Maybe they have always been there but that is quite twisted regardless. Then again the Vatican has always been a twisted place.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/1d/cb/8e/1dcb8e3bdcbb8bbb7a49480e4ab70c7c.jpg

The second commandment: Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image of the Lord.

Novusod
24th June 2016, 00:56
The wrong spelling of JCPenney just started trending on twitter.

http://i.imgur.com/9OVcsJJ.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/3f/dd/56/3fdd56e16fbd2673266559b35ae7e024.jpg
https://vine.co/v/5B9j71HBwwM

bsbray
24th June 2016, 01:05
This probably isn't a Mandela effect but I noticed a change a few days ago in this very forum.

Anyone remember when the "Highlighted threads" forum was called "Priority Threads."
http://i.imgur.com/CrXIR8T.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/2BTa7n5.jpg

Why do you say "This probably isn't a Mandela effect"? It's the exact same reasoning you're using in all of your other examples: people remember things this way but it's really that way, or the box of this movie says this thing but the movie itself says that thing. So why is this "probably" not the case here but the other examples definitely are? I'm not seeing the major difference.

modwiz
24th June 2016, 01:45
Why do you say "This probably isn't a Mandela effect"? It's the exact same reasoning you're using in all of your other examples: people remember things this way but it's really that way, or the box of this movie says this thing but the movie itself says that thing. So why is this "probably" not the case here but the other examples definitely are? I'm not seeing the major difference.

I remember when my thread Rhosgobel Tent at ToT was a priority thread with huge traffic. A let it die for awhile and it got removed. Properly, I might add. When the modss made improvements to the site, some things got re-named.

I must say, bsray, your logic holds up well in this instance regarding selective criteria.


The wrong spelling of JCPenney just started trending on twitter.

http://i.imgur.com/9OVcsJJ.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/3f/dd/56/3fdd56e16fbd2673266559b35ae7e024.jpg
https://vine.co/v/5B9j71HBwwM

What is different? The Penney part was always spelled that way. Were the other letters apart from Penney? If the logo changed it points more to a logo maker needing to justify their pay than a Mandela effect, IMO. I support the concept of the effect but, not spurious drivel jumping on a meme. Trending on Twitter is a drivel alert. :ha:

Novusod
24th June 2016, 06:10
I remember when my thread Rhosgobel Tent at ToT was a priority thread with huge traffic. A let it die for awhile and it got removed. Properly, I might add. When the modss made improvements to the site, some things got re-named.

I must say, bsray, your logic holds up well in this instance regarding selective criteria.



What is different? The Penney part was always spelled that way. Were the other letters apart from Penney? If the logo changed it points more to a logo maker needing to justify their pay than a Mandela effect, IMO. I support the concept of the effect but, not spurious drivel jumping on a meme. Trending on Twitter is a drivel alert. :ha:

The twitter trend had nothing to do with the Mandela effect per say. People were discussing an NBA draft player's sneakers that he got at JCPenney. What is odd is that thousands of people spelled JCPenny wrong all at the same time. That is what caused it to trend. Don't you think it is a little odd that thousands of people would spell it wrong all at once? To me that was just way too weird.

JCPenney is spelled with an extra "E"
The logo I linked is the correct spelling.

Novusod
24th June 2016, 06:24
Why do you say "This probably isn't a Mandela effect"? It's the exact same reasoning you're using in all of your other examples: people remember things this way but it's really that way, or the box of this movie says this thing but the movie itself says that thing. So why is this "probably" not the case here but the other examples definitely are? I'm not seeing the major difference.

bsbray you are a super moderator. You should have conclusive proof if someone renamed the forum because you have access to forum logs and admin pages. This isn't a memory. It is in my browser history where it is named Priority Threads, that is why I posted that screenshot to prove I am not miss-remembering things. If nobody here renamed the forum then something "supernatural" just happened. My browser has a history to a forum that never existed. Please explain how that is normal?

I am in OCD mode right now. Collecting evidence and looking for answers. I am not saying this is proof of a Mandela effect until someone confirms that there isn't a reasonable explanation.

Aragorn
24th June 2016, 07:25
bsbray you are a super moderator. You should have conclusive proof if someone renamed the forum because you have access to forum logs and admin pages.

Um, yes, he is, but no, he doesn't. ;) The logs and the Admin Control Panel are only accessible to administrators, which here at The One Truth means Malc and myself.

On the other hand, all staff members report to the mod room whenever they engage in moderation. This is something I have pushed for from the start, so that the left hand would always know what the right hand is doing. Before I became a staff member — which was on 18 April 2015 — that was not the case, and the former moderators used to do stuff without informing the others, with as a result that things rapidly became quite chaotic.

We also always deliberate on all decisions. If one of us has a proposal, then we'll talk about it in the mod room with the whole team. There is full transparency and we always strive for a consensus.


This isn't a memory. It is in my browser history where it is named Priority Threads, that is why I posted that screenshot to prove I am not miss-remembering things. If nobody here renamed the forum then something "supernatural" just happened. My browser has a history to a forum that never existed. Please explain how that is normal?

I am in OCD mode right now. Collecting evidence and looking for answers. I am not saying this is proof of a Mandela effect until someone confirms that there isn't a reasonable explanation.

In agreement with all staff members, I have renamed the subforum formerly called Priority Threads into Highlighted Threads about two weeks ago. The reasons for that were that first of all, we wanted to get rid of the word "priority" — given that we don't want to dictate to our members what they must believe and what they must reject — and secondly, the name Priority Threads was literally taken over from Project Avalon when The One Truth was first created, as were the original forum rules and most of the original forum category layout.

Ever since I became a staff member — and in close collaboration with my colleagues, including Malc — I have been systematically moving The One Truth away from its original incarnation as a scaled-down Project Avalon clone. The One Truth has in the meantime grown a lot — albeit that we're still not as big as Project Avalon of course, but then again, that has never been our intent — and now has an identity all of its own within the alternative community. And Malc likes it that way. ;)

And just for the record — in case you were to notice the following too — I have also renamed the subforum Medicine & Alternative Remedies to Medicine & Health yesterday in order to slightly widen its scope and give it a more palatable name. We're constantly working on making The One Truth into what we believe is the best alternative community forum. And I think we're on the right track too. :whstl:

No Mandela effect here. ;) :onthequite:

modwiz
24th June 2016, 08:50
The twitter trend had nothing to do with the Mandela effect per say. People were discussing an NBA draft player's sneakers that he got at JCPenney. What is odd is that thousands of people spelled JCPenny wrong all at the same time. That is what caused it to trend. Don't you think it is a little odd that thousands of people would spell it wrong all at once? To me that was just way too weird.

JCPenney is spelled with an extra "E"
The logo I linked is the correct spelling.

The wrong spelling in the twitter feed is the poor spellers coming from common core schools. I did not notice that in the post because I skipped looking at a twitter feed. Do my best to do so, lol.

OCD, eh? My condolences. I like your posts.

modwiz
24th June 2016, 09:14
Um, yes, he is, but no, he doesn't. ;)




Ever since I became a staff member — and in close collaboration with my colleagues, including Malc — I have been systematically moving The One Truth away from its original incarnation as a scaled-down Project Avalon clone. The One Truth has in the meantime grown a lot — albeit that we're still not as big as Project Avalon of course, but then again, that has never been our intent — and now has an identity all of its own within the alternative community. And Malc likes it that way. ;)

And just for the record — in case you were to notice the following too — I have also renamed the subforum Medicine & Alternative Remedies to Medicine & Health yesterday in order to slightly widen its scope and give it a more palatable name. We're constantly working on making The One Truth into what we believe is the best alternative community forum. And I think we're on the right track too. :whstl:

No Mandela effect here. ;) :onthequite:

I like what ToT has become and especially its administration/moderation. I would not want to return to PA even if such an option were available. My recent posts have probably insured that, lol. A big reason is because of its size and gloss, it attracts ALOT of newbies. My temperament would make them juicy morsels for my more sarcastic moods and bring out the dick in me. BR does not like competition in that arena.:ha:

With that said, I wish to see ToT grow as a place where the attraction is the posters and environment. Not to mention the excellent moderation who do extra duty as quality posters. This is one reason I have started to revive my "Tent" thread. In its heyday it was a jumping joint and was constantly active. A look at the views since its inception are still high despite it being in the morgue for some months. Whether it will ever be more than a shadow is anyone's guess. I did notice some odd behavior when I started making videos, that felt like "Who does he think he is?". This opinion of mine came from a sudden lack of participation in the Tent. Once I hooked up with the Ambassador my estrangement deepened.

Anyway, my spirit revives itself and jumps in again and the response will be what it is. I tell you from my heart, brother the impetus is to see ToT grow in quantity as a result of quality. The quick influx and outflow resulting from the superstar of the month does not work and rends the fine fabric of this site. As an Aspie, having a few great friends for life was always more important than a gaggle of fair weather friends. I have friends for over 50 years and despite not speaking for years at a stretch sometimes, when we pick up it is like we spoke last week.

I was fortunate as an Aspie. I was playing in bands as puberty set in and social retardation did not get in the way of my gyrating stage presence getting me noticed and spending a lot of motion filled horizontal time.:priest: So the sting of being an oddball was very much not present. Antics that in the classroom got me poor reports, got me a lot of eyeballs on the stage. I have lived a blessed life. However, having a higher than average intelligence is a mixed blessing. It always appears one is surrounded by morons and appearances are not always deceiving, lol.

I am mellowing at the tender age of 63, which is barely a teenager as an Istari.

I am aware this post was waaaaay off topic. WTF, it might make good reading.

Dreamtimer
24th June 2016, 12:25
Modwiz, great post, off topic or not. I applaud your decision not to compete with BR. :ttr:

I can't point to any clear examples of the Mandela effect. Language and memory change with time. It seems it would be really hard to document. If your sarcastic wit disappeared I'd be sure something wiggy was going on...:p

bsbray
24th June 2016, 18:08
bsbray you are a super moderator. You should have conclusive proof if someone renamed the forum because you have access to forum logs and admin pages. This isn't a memory. It is in my browser history where it is named Priority Threads, that is why I posted that screenshot to prove I am not miss-remembering things. If nobody here renamed the forum then something "supernatural" just happened. My browser has a history to a forum that never existed. Please explain how that is normal?

It has a pretty mundane explanation like Aragorn explained above, I was just wondering what tipped you off that this was wasn't an example of the Mandela effect even though you seem pretty convinced that all of these other things definitely are examples of the Mandela effect. You could use the same reasoning for the forum name change here as you have for the other examples.

Novusod
24th June 2016, 18:47
It has a pretty mundane explanation like Aragorn explained above, I was just wondering what tipped you off that this was wasn't an example of the Mandela effect even though you seem pretty convinced that all of these other things definitely are examples of the Mandela effect. You could use the same reasoning for the forum name change here as you have for the other examples.

I assumed there was a mundane explanation which is why I said "This probably isn't a mandela effect" right from the get go. However, I made a post about it anyway just to make sure.

As for JCPenny vs JCPenney I pulled up google trends.

http://i.imgur.com/qfZs1U0.jpg

Interesting results that the incorrect spelling has gotten less over over time. The exception being what happened last night with the incorrect spelling trending on Twitter.

*Disclaimer I am only posting this for evidence gathering reasons. I am not jumping to conclusions. I am here to gather evidence and then make judgements after reviewing the evidence.

I noticed the other day another change at a website I regularly use called Pinterest (https://www.pinterest.com/). It is basically a Tumblr and Instagram for high minded adults. There are a lot of amazing and rare pictures you can find using this website. I use it all the time to find pictures of ancient ruins and archeological relics. It is really an invaluable tool. Users can post pictures to albums and boards by using a "Pin" feature. It looks like a thumbtack where you pin things to bulletin board. That is why it is called Pinterest because you "Pin" things that interest you.

The other day the "Pin" feature just disappeared and was renamed "Save." Kind of defeats the purpose of the site called Pinterest if there is no "Pin" feature anymore. For a little while it still had the little thumbtack icon but even that icon has vanished now. There could be a mundane explanation for this but then again it could be supernatural.

Once again this just for evidence gathering purposes.

Aragorn
24th June 2016, 21:01
I like what ToT has become and especially its administration/moderation. [...]

With that said, I wish to see ToT grow as a place where the attraction is the posters and environment.

Well, we too would like to see The One Truth grow of course, fellow Middle-Earthian, but our emphasis lies — and must always lie — with quality over quantity. When it comes down to the choice between those two, then The One Truth would rather be a boutique than a shopping mall. ;)

For that matter, we are still growing, but there are a few small problems that we've noticed...


The first problem is that we're getting a lot of new registrations these days, but that about 85% of them are merely from known forum spammers, so then we have to delete those again. A number of them are already blocked automatically by the forum engine and the firewall, but many of them still get through. We've also begun blocking registrations from proxy servers and VPNs, because there's no legitimate reason as to why anyone would want to sign up here while using a proxy. (Mind you, we are not blocking the use of a proxy server — only registration through a proxy.)


The second problem is that a lot of people are visiting The One Truth by way of mobile devices — commonly smartphones — and for some reason, these people then sign up here, even if they're only drive-by visitors who don't have any intent of ever coming back. This, however, is not unique to The One Truth. All forums — whether in the alternative community or otherwise — have loads of stale registrations like that.


The third problem is that many people have signed up here as refugees from Project Avalon, but then somehow they later fell under Bill Ryan's spell again and chose to return to Project Avalon, thereby silently abandoning their membership of The One Truth without asking for their account here to be retired. So they remain listed as regular members, but they never — or at best, rarely ever — connect here anymore.



Not to mention the excellent moderation who do extra duty as quality posters.

Thank you for that. :smile2: It's nice to be appreciated, and especially in light of what I will be commenting under your paragraph here-below. ;)


This is one reason I have started to revive my "Tent" thread. In its heyday it was a jumping joint and was constantly active. A look at the views since its inception are still high despite it being in the morgue for some months. Whether it will ever be more than a shadow is anyone's guess. I did notice some odd behavior when I started making videos, that felt like "Who does he think he is?". This opinion of mine came from a sudden lack of participation in the Tent. Once I hooked up with the Ambassador my estrangement deepened.

Well, I don't think it's got anything to do with you personally, Radagast. For a while already, I've been noticing a trend here at the forum — and it seems to be present all over society, so The One Truth is probably not the only forum where this is happening, but I myself am not registered at any other forums so I can't really tell — of people becoming dispassionate and apathetic, or even antisocial.

You can easily see this in the use of the "thanks" function. Certain people — I'm not going to be naming any names, but let's just say that some of them were supposed to be friends of mine — simply can't be bothered with clicking that "thanks" button anymore, and not even if you reply to their posts and questions directly and in a personal manner. It may not mean much to anyone else, but I personally find it an indicator of how people's mindset appears to be shifting away from "What can I do to make this (world) a better place?" and onto "What can this community do for me?"

And just before anyone says anything about that, this is not about "group think" or cultism. This is about interpersonal appreciation and common courtesy. :ok:


Anyway, my spirit revives itself and jumps in again and the response will be what it is.

You have authenticity, Radagast, and that is why we appreciate you. ;)


I tell you from my heart, brother the impetus is to see ToT grow in quantity as a result of quality.

Well, between the many spammers and drive-by registrations who never come back again, we do still gain legitimate members who are eager to participate in our exchanges for all the right reasons — this, notwithstanding the absence of a "flavor of the month". But this type of growth is a very slow process, and especially in light of the general increase in apathy which I spoke of higher up.


I am mellowing at the tender age of 63, which is barely a teenager as an Istari.

I'd be a decade behind you then. ;) And for a Dúnedain, that's still very young too. :p


I am aware this post was waaaaay off topic. WTF, it might make good reading.

Hell yeah! :p But just to stay in tune with my role as a staff member, I must now put down the following sign... :whstl: :ttr:


:back to topic:

Aragorn
24th June 2016, 22:47
With that said, I wish to see ToT grow as a place where the attraction is the posters and environment. Not to mention the excellent moderation who do extra duty as quality posters. This is one reason I have started to revive my "Tent" thread. In its heyday it was a jumping joint and was constantly active. A look at the views since its inception are still high despite it being in the morgue for some months. Whether it will ever be more than a shadow is anyone's guess.

By the way, you will find that I've moved it back under the Highlighted Threads forum now. ;)

modwiz
24th June 2016, 23:04
By the way, you will find that I've moved it back under the Highlighted Threads forum now. ;)

Thank you, Aragorn. May it turn out to be one.

ZShawn
25th June 2016, 08:18
you know, a lot of these memory problems may be attributed to the rise in various metals in the environment such as aluminum which has spiked considerably.

Aragorn
25th June 2016, 23:21
you know, a lot of these memory problems may be attributed to the rise in various metals in the environment such as aluminum which has spiked considerably.

That, plus atmospheric conditions such as thunderstorms and strong winds, in combination with the huge amount of microwave radiation flooding and permeating us all the time — i.e. anything from the electric fields coming off of household devices (e.g. refrigerators, television sets, radios, computers, et al) over cellphone signals (both from the towers and from the phones), WiFi signals (from the wireless internet providers' towers and local hot spots, from household and corporate WiFi routers, and from all the devices that connect to them) all the way up to GPS and other satellites which are constantly bombarding Earth with EM radiation.

All of the above — and especially so in conjunction with certain atmospheric conditions — create very high degrees of ionization. The body's neurology is electric and picks up on that. Trust me, I know what I'm talking about, because I'm extremely sensitive to that stuff, and so is my brother, and so was our father.

:flag:

Novusod
1st July 2016, 03:34
The craziest Mandela effect yet. The stars have changed.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJ58s_y6H98

Tell me if you can still find Orion in the sky or the Big Dipper? Sirius the dog star is gone too. It is clear night and I can't find any of them.

ZShawn
1st July 2016, 03:59
That, plus atmospheric conditions such as thunderstorms and strong winds, in combination with the huge amount of microwave radiation flooding and permeating us all the time — i.e. anything from the electric fields coming off of household devices (e.g. refrigerators, television sets, radios, computers, et al) over cellphone signals (both from the towers and from the phones), WiFi signals (from the wireless internet providers' towers and local hot spots, from household and corporate WiFi routers, and from all the devices that connect to them) all the way up to GPS and other satellites which are constantly bombarding Earth with EM radiation.

All of the above — and especially so in conjunction with certain atmospheric conditions — create very high degrees of ionization. The body's neurology is electric and picks up on that. Trust me, I know what I'm talking about, because I'm extremely sensitive to that stuff, and so is my brother, and so was our father.

:flag:

+ the metals make us all more receptive.....but in disruptive ways.

modwiz
1st July 2016, 04:02
In late July and early August, if you’re up early and have an unobstructed view to the east, be sure to look in that direction in the hour before dawn. You might find a familiar figure – a constellation that is always returning to the sky around this time of year. It’s the beautiful constellation Orion the Hunter – recently behind the sun as seen from our earthly vantage point – now ascending once more in the east before sunrise.

The Hunter appears each northern winter as a mighty constellation arcing across the south during the evening hours. Many people see it then, and notice it, because the pattern of Orion’s stars is so distinctive.

But, at the crack of dawn in late summer, you can spot Orion in the east. Thus Orion has been called the ghost of the shimmering summer dawn.


The return of Orion and Taurus to the predawn sky happens in late July or early August every year.

http://earthsky.org/?p=3438

ZShawn
1st July 2016, 04:03
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plenty of lion and lamb imagery to be found everywhere, and is common as I recall from childhood..... I don't recall ever seeing a wolf and lamb image together in all those years, and I grew up with a lot of protestant religious imagery around, spent a lot of time in the church and went to a bible college..... and it while i did read this passage before more than on one occasion, the idea of a wolf as being central to the verse never made an impression on me, which is odd as i am fairly accurate in recall of such things, which makes this oddity being pointed out all the more anomalous....
the other perspective is that, as an artist, commissioned to do a work based on this verse specifically, it seems odd, does it not, that the lion would be painted in as the central image, the primary, when in the textual flow of the passage it is the wolf that is obviously the first and central figure..... with the lion being named as a young lion....a cub, not a full grown male in his prime...... oddities abound.... if i was not personally, passably familiar with this text i wouldn't have even mentioned it, but the whole bit strikes me as being most curious in this case....... what do you guys think?

i thought that perhaps this actual anomaly might get more feedback rather than the specious which has been discussed so far.

modwiz
1st July 2016, 04:16
i thought that perhaps this actual anomaly might get more feedback rather than the specious which has been discussed so far.

It's simple, Mandela Effect. World is in turmoil so, lines from the bible and memories of stained glass windows kind of fall by the wayside. Although, if Bilbo was now an orc and Gandalf a hobbit, it would get my attention. Bible, not so much.

modwiz
1st July 2016, 04:24
The craziest Mandela effect yet. The stars have changed.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJ58s_y6H98

Tell me if you can still find Orion in the sky or the Big Dipper? Sirius the dog star is gone too. It is clear night and I can't find any of them.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nauLgZISozs

modwiz
1st July 2016, 04:52
I did see the Little Dipper while outside.

Novusod
1st July 2016, 05:24
I did see the Little Dipper while outside.

What about the Big Dipper?

Novusod
1st July 2016, 05:38
i thought that perhaps this actual anomaly might get more feedback rather than the specious which has been discussed so far.

It is absolutely a Mandela effect. Google Trends pretty much proved most people think it was Lion not wolf.

http://i.imgur.com/6MwLXJa.jpg

Symbolically in the bible:
Lion = Jesus the divine
Lamb = Jesus the man
Wolf = the devil

modwiz
1st July 2016, 05:58
What about the Big Dipper?

Storms are moving in and few stars can be seen on the peripheral horizon. where it would be. I am good with the Mandela Effect and did a show on it. I think it is a good thing because it makes people think and it also opens us up to a broader nature of reality. I am conident thenext clear night will reveal the Big Dipper or enjoy pondering where it might be if I don't. Thinking is something I like to do.

Novusod
1st July 2016, 06:03
Thanks Modwiz,

Can I ask you your opinion of this Mandela Effect. Before you watch the video answer this question. What is the last line from Queen's We are the Champions?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsLkP-dq93A

Aragorn
1st July 2016, 06:07
It is absolutely a Mandela effect. Google Trends pretty much proved most people think it was Lion not wolf.

http://i.imgur.com/6MwLXJa.jpg

Symbolically in the bible:
Lion = Jesus the divine
Lamb = Jesus the man
Wolf = the devil

Which version of the Bible? There are so many to choose from, and they're all different. Even on account of the English translations of the Bible alone, there are differences between the different factions of Christianity, as well as that there are differences between the pre-King James Bibles and the post-King James Bibles.

modwiz
1st July 2016, 06:11
Thanks Modwiz,

Can I ask you your opinion of this Mandela Effect. Before you watch the video answer this question. What is the last line from Queen's We are the Champions?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsLkP-dq93A

I can't remember. I think that would qualify as a trivia question so my sense of intellect is does not feel threatened. I gave my opinion in the above post and made a show of it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnTX4SPX26Y

Novusod
1st July 2016, 06:18
Which version of the Bible? There are so many to choose from, and they're all different. Even on account of the English translations of the Bible alone, there are differences between the different factions of Christianity, as well as that there are differences between the pre-King James Bibles and the post-King James Bibles.

It is ALL versions as far as I can tell with just slightly different wording.

Bible hub compare verses:
http://i.imgur.com/RbR2Auv.jpg

If all the bibles say wolf why do so many people remember Lion with the Lamb? It is a Mandela effect.

modwiz
1st July 2016, 06:38
It is ALL versions as far as I can tell with just slightly different wording.

Bible hub compare verses:
http://i.imgur.com/RbR2Auv.jpg

If all the bibles say wolf why do so many people remember Lion with the Lamb? It is a Mandela effect.

For me the weirdest bible changes seem driven by a common core mentality and have no correlation to a Mandela Effect which is a real shift in timelines, IMO. The one where they use bottles in place of wine-skins and the other where they use stuff instead of goods. Bottles are a modern usage replacement. Stuff is just wrong as it is slang. Stuff is a verb and the first usages as a noun seem to be the material that was put into quilts. The material that was "stuffed" into the little pockets. I feel both belong to the "Dumb Down Effect" and not the discussed one.

Elen
1st July 2016, 07:30
In Norway, from May to sometime in July, nobody sees stars at all. The sky is so bright that we can only see the planets depending on where they are, the Moon is always visible of course. Just a thought.

modwiz
1st July 2016, 07:38
In Norway, from May to sometime in July, nobody sees stars at all. The sky is so bright that we can only see the planets depending on where they are, the Moon is always visible of course. Just a thought.

And a post.:thup:

Novusod
1st July 2016, 16:03
For me the weirdest bible changes seem driven by a common core mentality and have no correlation to a Mandela Effect which is a real shift in timelines, IMO. The one where they use bottles in place of wine-skins and the other where they use stuff instead of goods. Bottles are a modern usage replacement. Stuff is just wrong as it is slang. Stuff is a verb and the first usages as a noun seem to be the material that was put into quilts. The material that was "stuffed" into the little pockets. I feel both belong to the "Dumb Down Effect" and not the discussed one.

The issue with this rational is the newer bible says wineskins while the older KJV bible that says bottles. Both these bibles predate common core by decades. Common core has only been around since Obama became president. The KJV bible which says: "bottles, stuff, matrix, ****" and other modern vulgar words was translated in the early 1600s.

bsbray
1st July 2016, 22:14
Language has changed a lot since the 1600's. "Stuff" today does not have the same meanings and connotations as "stuff" did in the 1600's, just like the words "gay" (joyful) or "faggot" (bundle of sticks) did not have anywhere near the same meanings back then. I posted an etymology for this same word (stuff) earlier in the thread. The King James Bible itself (along with Shakespearean works from around the same time) had an enormous impact upon the English language as every family that spoke English was reading or listening to readings from it and adopting the idioms and other figures of speech in it. A lot of words and sayings came from the King James Bible as they were being freshly and literally translated out of other languages.

I think the real problem is not that the passages are somehow anachronistic but that no one here knows much about early modern English vocabulary, and not only that, but nobody is even doing Google searches for the etymologies of these words, which takes a whole 10 seconds. "Stuff" is an old word that was already in usage in the 1600's but it did not have the same connotations as it does today. If anyone really wanted to dig they could even find references to the earliest surviving manuscripts in which the word appears and in what sense it is used, or how the word evolved into modern English. This is what philologists do.

But then again nothing about this argument really makes sense because in the end someone can just claim "No, no, all of this stuff is just false memories" or "I came from a different timeline and it wasn't like that there," as if said person had ever checked the etymologies of these words in the alleged other reality they used to be in. So then what does any of this matter?

If it's a person changing realities and not the book itself then what difference does it make what the book says now? Isn't it part of the reality allegedly just warped to? If so then why should it be anachronistic here? And if someone isn't checking etymologies now with a 10 second Google search then they sure as hell weren't doing it for these same random words before they allegedly changed realities, to have any prior memory to compare them to. The whole argument to me is extremely superficial and really nonsensical.

modwiz
1st July 2016, 22:36
I do perceive hints of Flat Earth mentality with people on this topic. With that said, I may need to distance myself from it.

Novusod
1st July 2016, 23:05
I do perceive hints of Flat Earth mentality with people on this topic. With that said, I may need to distance myself from it.

Ok Radagast here is one just for you. Is there a Mandela effect in Lord of the Rings? I am big a Lord of the Rings fan and read the book years before the movies came out. I have read the books several times since then but in my most recent reading about a year ago I picked up on something odd.

The Mandela effect pertains to this quote from the Fellowship of the Ring a Long expected Party.

"Out flew a red-golden dragon — not life-size, but terribly life-like: fire came from his jaws, his eyes glared down; there was a roar, and he whizzed three times over the heads of the crowd. They all ducked, and many fell flat on their faces. The dragon passed like an express train, turned a somersault, and burst over Bywater with a deafening explosion."

Was that quote always there because it seems very odd.

bsbray
1st July 2016, 23:18
Was that quote always there because it seems very odd.

So this would be a very good question for you: How could I prove or disprove that all of these books came here from a different reality, replaced all the old books, and say something different now than they used to?

I mean "proof" in this sense: "evidence or argument establishing or helping to establish a fact or the truth of a statement."

You have to have a falsifiable hypothesis and a way to test it.


Falsifiability, as defined by the philosopher, Karl Popper, defines the inherent testability of any scientific hypothesis.

Science and philosophy have always worked together to try to uncover truths about the world and the universe around us. Both are a necessary element for the advancement of knowledge and the development of human society.

Scientists design experiments and try to obtain results verifying or disproving a hypothesis, but philosophers are the driving force in determining what factors determine the validity of scientific results.

Science and philosophy have always worked together to try to uncover truths about the world and the universe around us. Both are a necessary element for the advancement of knowledge and the development of human society.

Scientists design experiments and try to obtain results verifying or disproving a hypothesis, but philosophers are the driving force in determining what factors determine the validity of scientific results.

Often, they even determine the nature of science itself and influence the direction of viable research. As one theory is falsified, another evolves to replace it and explain the new observations.

One of the tenets behind science is that any scientific hypothesis and resultant experimental design must be inherently falsifiable. Although falsifiability is not universally accepted, it is still the foundation of the majority of scientific experiments.

https://explorable.com/images/reasoning-cycle-research.jpg

What is Falsifiability?

In its basic form, falsifiability is the belief that for any hypothesis to have credence, it must be inherently disprovable before it can become accepted as a scientific hypothesis or theory.

For example, if a scientist asks, "Does God exist?" then this can never be science because it is a theory that cannot be disproved.

The idea is that no theory is completely correct, but if not falsified, it can be accepted as truth.

For example, Newton's Theory of Gravity was accepted as truth for centuries, because objects do not randomly float away from the earth. It appeared to fit the figures obtained by experimentation and research, but was always subject to testing.

https://explorable.com/falsifiability


Another example of a statement that is not falsifiable: "The chair I'm sitting in used to be polkadot pink but last night I changed realities and now it's just a black chair because I'm in a new reality."

Now how could we design an experiment to test this scientifically? I can't think of a way. Can you? If not, then this is not a scientific statement because it cannot be challenged with testing. It also happens to be complete nonsense.

modwiz
1st July 2016, 23:20
Ok Radagast here is one just for you. Is there a Mandela effect in Lord of the Rings? I am big a Lord of the Rings fan and read the book years before the movies came out. I have read the books several times since then but in my most recent reading about a year ago I picked up on something odd.

The Mandela effect pertains to this quote from the Fellowship of the Ring a Long expected Party.

"Out flew a red-golden dragon — not life-size, but terribly life-like: fire came from his jaws, his eyes glared down; there was a roar, and he whizzed three times over the heads of the crowd. They all ducked, and many fell flat on their faces. The dragon passed like an express train, turned a somersault, and burst over Bywater with a deafening explosion."

Was that quote always there because it seems very odd.

I would have to dig out my books which lay in a crate after moving three times in two months recently. It would seem to be anachronistic in a big way.

bsbray
1st July 2016, 23:28
The LOTR books were first published in the 50's.

Here's an express train from 1935 in Argentina: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Trochita

Here's one from 1929 India: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Trunk_Express

Took very little time to find those. Did the idea just not occur to you Novusod, that you could look up things like this and check them very quickly?

The only thing wrong with Tolkien's statement, for me, is that he references trains at all, because I don't remember reading about any trains anywhere else in the LOTR. It kind of breaks the continuity of this fantasy world he's creating, you know? :p

modwiz
1st July 2016, 23:33
The LOTR books were first published in the 50's.

Here's an express train from 1935 in Argentina: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Trochita

Here's one from 1929 India: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Trunk_Express

Took very little time to find those. Did the idea just not occur to you Novusod, that you could look up things like this and check them very quickly?

The only thing wrong with Tolkien's statement, for me, is that he references trains at all, because I don't remember reading about any trains anywhere else in the LOTR. It kind of breaks the continuity of this fantasy world he's creating, you know? :p

That was my point. The anachronism being the Third Age of Middle Earth and the absence of any trains at all and not the authors place in time as a reference point.

Novusod
2nd July 2016, 00:11
The LOTR books were first published in the 50's.

Here's an express train from 1935 in Argentina: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Trochita

Here's one from 1929 India: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Trunk_Express

Took very little time to find those. Did the idea just not occur to you Novusod, that you could look up things like this and check them very quickly?

The only thing wrong with Tolkien's statement, for me, is that he references trains at all, because I don't remember reading about any trains anywhere else in the LOTR. It kind of breaks the continuity of this fantasy world he's creating, you know? :p

I am aware of express trains existing in the Early to mid 20th century. To normal people they would think nothing of this line being in the book. But to a Tolkien fan this is very out of character. I have read almost all of Tolkien's other works including Silmarillion and the Lost Tales. Tolkien was a professor of English literature. He had a huge vocabulary and was never at a loss for words to describe the oddities of Middle Earth. Putting express train in the line about the firework dragon is completely out of character for Tolkien's writing style. That word shouldn't be there in the same manner that common vulgarity shouldn't be in the bible. It is something you have to feel to be true rather than having proof that it is true.


***
One thing you should know bsbray is I don't have a very high opinion of the Scientific Method. It was created by the Jesuits to convince people super natural things don't exist. In my opinion the Scientific Method is a declaration of war on spirituality. One of the main proponents of the Scientific Method was Sir Francis Bacon who based his scientific principles on the methodology of the Inquisition. He admired the ways the inquisition could extract confessions from witches. In his book the The New Atlantis Bacon advocated that Mother nature herself should be put on the rack and tortured as a witch until she gave up her secrets. This is not something I approve of so over the years I have backed away from the scientific method.

http://www.thesouloftheworld.com/the-new-experiment-putting-nature-on-the-rack/

Thinking only along the lines of the Scientific Method puts the human mind in a very small box. It is a box I refuse to be a part of because it is a prison for the mind. If you can't see beyond that box then this thread probably won't be much use to you.

bsbray
2nd July 2016, 00:24
I am aware of express trains existing in the Early to mid 20th century. To normal people they would think nothing of this line being in the book. But to a Tolkien fan this is very out of character. I have read almost all of Tolkien's other works including Silmarillion and the Lost Tales. Tolkien was a professor of English literature. He had a huge vocabulary and was never at a loss for words to describe the oddities of Middle Earth. Putting express train in the line about the firework dragon is completely out of character for Tolkien's writing style. That word shouldn't be there in the same manner that common vulgarity shouldn't be in the bible. It is something you have to feel to be true rather than having proof that it is true.

Right, so you feel that this doesn't belong in Tolkien's work, so... the books must have warped in here from another reality. Right?



One thing you should know bsbray is I don't have a very high opinion of the Scientific Method. It was created by the Jesuits to convince people super natural things don't exist.

Which Jesuits are you talking about? From what I've seen the Catholic Church (which the Jesuits worked for) was trying to get people to believe in all kinds of supernatural nonsense, ie their theology. It was people like Galileo and Newton who pioneered scientific developments, and they weren't working for the church from anything I have ever seen.


Thinking only along the lines of the Scientific Method puts the human mind in a very small box. It is a box I refuse to be a part of because it is a prison for the mind. If you can't see beyond that box then this thread probably won't be much use to you.

You are confusing the scientific method with the materialistic and mechanical worldview that has followed it to replace mystical thinking like what you find in medieval Christianity. The scientific method itself is a method, not a belief system. What you are doing in rebelling against this method is returning to the same fuzzy kind of irrational thinking that typified the medieval period, when people thought that the sky was made out of glass-like layers of heaven and that rubbish in the corner of a room spontaneously generates rats and mice out of thin air.

I understand your problem with materialistic thinking and I'm not a fan of that either. But if you throw all logical reasoning out the window on account of that, then you've thrown the baby out with the bathwater as they say.

modwiz
2nd July 2016, 00:24
I am aware of express trains existing in the Early to mid 20th century. To normal people they would think nothing of this line being in the book. But to a Tolkien fan this is very out of character. I have read almost all of Tolkien's other works including Silmarillion and the Lost Tales. Tolkien was a professor of English literature. He had a huge vocabulary and was never at a loss for words to describe the oddities of Middle Earth. Putting express train in the line about the firework dragon is completely out of character for Tolkien's writing style. That word shouldn't be there in the same manner that common vulgarity shouldn't be in the bible. It is something you have to feel to be true rather than having proof that it is true.


***
One thing you should know bsbray is I don't have a very high opinion of the Scientific Method. It was created by the Jesuits to convince people super natural things don't exist. In my opinion the Scientific Method is a declaration of war on spirituality. One of the main proponents of the Scientific Method was Sir Francis Bacon who based his scientific principles on the methodology of the Inquisition. He admired the ways the inquisition could extract confessions from witches. In his book the The New Atlantis Bacon advocated that Mother nature herself should be put on the rack and tortured as a witch until she gave up her secrets. This is not something I approve of so over the years I have backed away from the scientific method.

http://www.thesouloftheworld.com/the-new-experiment-putting-nature-on-the-rack/

Thinking only along the lines of the Scientific Method puts the human mind in a very small box. It is a box I refuse to be a part of because it is a prison for the mind. If you can't see beyond that box then this thread probably won't be much use to you.

The scientific method was a way to park us in our left brained thinking. It was helpful to move people out of right brained dominance that led to much superstition. It also led to binary thinking. Proper integration of both, working in tandem is the correct equation, IMO. It was far easier to be a wizard when right brained thinking dominated, too easy. Trinary, or better, cerebral usage is the way forward for us.

bsbray
2nd July 2016, 00:35
Proper integration of both, working in tandem is the correct equation, IMO.

Yes, there has to be balance. And there shouldn't be a contradiction between science and spirituality. Einstein is attributed with a quote along those lines, "Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind."

The scientific method is just a method to take apart a situation and test to try to find out what is really happening. If someone thinks that this is some kind of trap to brainwash us then they should reconsider what is this magical picture box that they are staring at and typing into using a keyboard. I have to tell you, this magical interactive picture box would not exist without the scientific method. I can't think of any reliable alternative that doesn't produce a lot of nonsense results, whether it's "channeling" or people just using "intuition." Everyone likes to say they have intuition, including myself, but you don't pay your bills or repair your car just using intuition unless you're looking for trouble -- in other words it is not a magic solution that produces all the right answers and we can prove this easily enough.

Novusod
2nd July 2016, 07:27
The scientific method was a way to park us in our left brained thinking. It was helpful to move people out of right brained dominance that led to much superstition. It also led to binary thinking. Proper integration of both, working in tandem is the correct equation, IMO. It was far easier to be a wizard when right brained thinking dominated, too easy. Trinary, or better, cerebral usage is the way forward for us.

It is a fair criticism but what I advocate is a filtering of fact from fiction using heuristic discernment. The advantage of using discernment over the scientific method is that it is more flexible in adapting to changing situations. I feel that science has over time lead humanity into a rut of circular thinking that we cannot extract ourselves from using the same methods that got us into this rut. Science itself is based on its own set of foundational principles which are assumed to be true but are in fact false. However, it is impossible to disprove any of these foundational principles as long as they are assumed to be true and mutually reinforcing each other. It is impossible to back track and make corrections to the foundations of science based on the way the proofs are structured. They all have to be thrown out wholesale.

One of the foundational principles of science that we completely have gotten wrong is the nature of the observable universe. Just because we can't observe something doesn't mean it is not there. For a quick example just look at my Avatar.

How many cubes do you see?
http://jandeane81.com/customavatars/avatar1565_3.gif
There is one outer cube and one inner cube.

In our observable universe we can only see the outer cube:
http://i.imgur.com/owIVILD.jpg

Using the scientific method we cannot prove the inner cube exists because we can't observe it. Now what if the inner cube changed places with the outer cube? The formerly outer cube would disappear and we would see the inner cube. However, when the inner and outer cube switched places would not be able to observe the old outer cube anymore. However, we would be able to remember it.

Here is a little animation to help understand the switch.
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e38/Novuso/Bessler/Tesseract_zpsaf0a4016.gif

This is kind of what is happening with the Mandela affect. If you can imagine there is an inner and outer and they are replacing each other. Each one of these cubes represents a facet of reality.

This is the basis of my discernment.

Novusod
3rd July 2016, 21:31
A very large shift just happened.

The actress named Sally Fields is now named Sally Field (with no 's') and her acceptance speech at 1984 Oscars has changed. Sally fields' quote "You like me, you really like me" has been a national catch phrase for over 30 years. People repeat so often it is not even a parody anymore it is just part of the culture. This well known phrase "You like me, you really like me" has changed. It has shifted to "You like me, right now you like me."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCnPEwvtwmY

There is no use denying it anymore. The Mandela effect is just going to keep getting bigger and bigger until it slaps you in the face. Your world is changing right before your very eyes.

Maggie
5th July 2016, 05:26
A very large shift just happened.

......................

There is no use denying it anymore. The Mandela effect is just going to keep getting bigger and bigger until it slaps you in the face. Your world is changing right before your very eyes.

With deep respect, please help me understand the "point" you see of all these media type changes in terms of "world is changing right before your very eyes"?
For some reason, as much as I think I am a woowoo queen, these all the evidence presented seems trivial and on the level of advertisement type meaningful-ness.
MY world IS changing actually.

One thing is that I am OFTEN finding that just what I need for the moment is literally right at hand.
My expectations are so often coming true. This makes it really important that I expect the best.
Many many of my friends are getting ill or having accidents but I am using my imagination to keep my body balanced.
In many cases,I am using my imagination to dissolve what feels like stuff that is not mine. I feel all this happening.
Time is speeding so fast that I have not even put my winter clothes away and it is summer here.
Time is speeding so fast that the time I am spending on this post may consume most of the day (hehe).

IF what you reference has anything to do with MY changing reality, I just cannot put it together.
What I am putting together is that now MORE than ever, there is major distraction streaming in form the internet.
Having been involved in forums for a few years, all I see is re-cycled. It has no traction at all....just sliding commentary on the same level of mind.

You have posted great stuff so I appreciate it.
THIS stuff is just so very dull and like the plane-et flatters, seems like massive mind screw...as in "get the people who are seeking to literally alter significant aspects of experience arguing over nothing and keep proliferating nothing to argue about until they all just die off.
I hope I can actually follow through and get time management happening.
I am feeling the call for a significant cut off of the internet. Yet, I am quite an addict and think I may have to just shut down the home wifi. Maggie

Dreamtimer
5th July 2016, 15:37
Maggie, for those times you want to turn it on and peek in, please come here. You always have passion and substance when you post and it's great to have you here.

Maggie
5th July 2016, 16:22
Maggie, for those times you want to turn it on and peek in, please come here. You always have passion and substance when you post and it's great to have you here.

Thanks Dreamtimer!!
I am still here unless this is a parallel Universe...then I am there.

/wmyw0UsLYPw

Novusod
5th July 2016, 18:08
With deep respect, please help me understand the "point" you see of all these media type changes in terms of "world is changing right before your very eyes"?
For some reason, as much as I think I am a woowoo queen, these all the evidence presented seems trivial and on the level of advertisement type meaningful-ness.
MY world IS changing actually.

One thing is that I am OFTEN finding that just what I need for the moment is literally right at hand.
My expectations are so often coming true. This makes it really important that I expect the best.
Many many of my friends are getting ill or having accidents but I am using my imagination to keep my body balanced.
In many cases,I am using my imagination to dissolve what feels like stuff that is not mine. I feel all this happening.
Time is speeding so fast that I have not even put my winter clothes away and it is summer here.
Time is speeding so fast that the time I am spending on this post may consume most of the day (hehe).

IF what you reference has anything to do with MY changing reality, I just cannot put it together.
What I am putting together is that now MORE than ever, there is major distraction streaming in form the internet.
Having been involved in forums for a few years, all I see is re-cycled. It has no traction at all....just sliding commentary on the same level of mind.

You have posted great stuff so I appreciate it.
THIS stuff is just so very dull and like the plane-et flatters, seems like massive mind screw...as in "get the people who are seeking to literally alter significant aspects of experience arguing over nothing and keep proliferating nothing to argue about until they all just die off.
I hope I can actually follow through and get time management happening.
I am feeling the call for a significant cut off of the internet. Yet, I am quite an addict and think I may have to just shut down the home wifi. Maggie

If you want personal examples how about this. Part of the reason I don't construct proper arguments is there is just no time. Things are changing so quickly for me it is hard to keep up. I notice a dozen shifts a day but only take the time to report on the most significant ones. Often times I will start writing a post and then I will notice that half the day has gone by. When I get up in the morning I go to check a few things and suddenly it is time to go back to bed again. Time is moving so fast the days don't even seem real anymore. I often miss meals because I think it is earlier than it really is. I think it can't be time for dinner already I just ate and then it 10pm or later. Very spooky. I know exactly what you are talking about with not putting your winter clothes away. I can't believe it is July already. It feels like Christmas was just a few weeks ago. Why bother with Spring cleaning when the snow will be falling again before you know it.

Even before learning about the Mandela effect from YouTube I was aware of these odd time warps.

Novusod
15th July 2016, 23:41
Now here a BIG one concerning the Wizard of Oz.

Remember that time the Scarecrow pulled out a gun and fired a bullet at Dorothy by accident? If you don't remember that scene then you are probably experiencing the Mandela effect.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-gGb_C0EGcgA/U8t5u3mBtjI/AAAAAAAASAA/ZXVeOGXtcew/s1600/Scarecrow-Has-a-Gun.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CeGnv5UWoAAnnYU.jpg

From my memory it was an oil can not a gun. Also the gun itself looks really weird. I have watched the clip a couple times and it seem to shift back and forth between a gun and oil can. What do you guys remember.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYGFED-XGBM

Also Dorothy's line: "I don't think we are in Kansas anymore Toto" has changed to I have a feeling we are not in Kansas anymore.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcD9yZLPP9g

Also the dog's name. Is it Toto or Todo? Does it really even matter anymore.

Jengelen
16th July 2016, 00:12
I recall sitting down and reading in the news paper that Bernadette Peters died at a restaurant choking on food she was eating and this was circa 1980 right after the Jerk aired.

Its always been "MIRROR MIRROR ON THE WALL" in my memory not "MAGIC MIRROR ON THE WALL" as it is today on this time line.

Numerous people including my own son have memories of us together I do not share. My wife and I look at each other with great puzzlement sometimes at things my youngest brother recalls also! Too much to get into but none of it happened in our memory and if so not the way depicted.

In Star Wars the line I recall was "Luke, I am your father" but apparently its "NO! I am your father" in the original and apparently C3PO has a silver leg and foot on the right from the knee down which I don't recall as I would have sworn he was all gold or brass like color.

I also have memory of Mandela dying in prison in the 80s and reading of that and seeing about it on the TV. I recalled a high school biology teacher dying right after my father died and yet he lived on and died just recently somehow even though I recall not only going to his funeral but discussing with his daughter our childhood. His daughter Pat, graduated high school with me and has no memory of us ever meeting since we graduated unlike my memory. In my memory also Pat was a semi-pro golfer but in this time line she is a teacher like her dad! This last one has bugged me since my 25 year high school reunion some many years back now at this writing!

Dreamtimer
16th July 2016, 14:22
Jengelen, those are big changes. I personally don't know how to tell the difference from my own memory being inaccurate and a possible Mandela Effect. I've certainly caught myself conflating events and recalling the wrong person saying something. But I haven't had such profound differences of memory and experience as what you've described.

Maggie
16th July 2016, 15:01
Numerous people including my own son have memories of us together I do not share. My wife and I look at each other with great puzzlement sometimes at things my youngest brother recalls also! Too much to get into but none of it happened in our memory and if so not the way depicted.

This statement is very true for me!!!!!

I am interested in time line changes and still cannot understand the significance of the pop culture refereces. One reason is that many referenced seem the "same" in my memory, many NOT at all in memory, some "different". The ability to gauge these collective memeries is also dependent on being part of the culture. Children keep one up to date on what is collectively interesting as IMO kids drive the newest fashions.

But this difference in memory is really showing up. One isolated example is that my two brothers are married. One brother's wife is convinced that my other brother hates her and ridicules her and is a horrible person. I have never seen this evidence from my brother in question? I have no memory of anything happening in the presence of the both of them that looked mean?

And one weird example, I was involved in putting on a performance a few years ago. The other person involved, Barry and I developed differences of opinion. The production was "mine" as it was financed by my money. So, I always just vetoed him and ignored his tirades (knowing that I was in control). At one moment, apparently, according to witnesses, he was in my face yelling at me? But the fact is for ME, that never happened. I was not on drugs of any kind but I was in a separate reality from Barry.

You touched on an aspect that is really interesting. Also, having NO memory. That was true for me of most of my life.

Dreamtimer
16th July 2016, 15:11
It's mind boggling to think of the possible timelines. All things are possible so there would be timelines that are very different and others that are so similar it's hard to distinguish. Perhaps the very similar ones overlap and some of us cross over in some way.

There's also the puzzle of using dreaming and other methods of exploring existence outside of the constraints of time and space. If one has been spending time exploring the possibilities, there could possibly be confusion over what was seen. Was it in physical, time-bound life or in another experience of reality and its possibilities?

I do find that many people I know seem to have utterly forgotten things they said/did or even positions they held on issues. I think they just don't want to be responsible.

Jengelen
16th July 2016, 15:12
Jengelen, those are big changes. I personally don't know how to tell the difference from my own memory being inaccurate and a possible Mandela Effect. I've certainly caught myself conflating events and recalling the wrong person saying something. But I haven't had such profound differences of memory and experience as what you've described.

I've thought much about it. In 2002 I was driving my Pinzgauer 710M from Brownsville, TN to Oklahoma and during that trip I had plans to stay at a friends place in Oark, AR. (Not Ozark, but Oark and very tiny little town) and to get to my friends I had to cross the Little Mulberry River. Little did I know that my friend had tried to call me several times but this was before I had a really good cell phone and the one I had had limited range. I went in like normal and saw that it was high, the river I mean. I drove across in four wheel low in second gear and the headlights did disappear a couple times but its x Swiss Army truck very high up that was a ten man troop carrier so its very capable and I did get across but half way across lightning struck right in front or on me I never knew which! It was raining and like I said my friend had tried to call to warn me that the river was up to 4'2" and so don't try to cross in the Pinz! I didn't get the message and the Pinz didn't stutter or so much as have an issue getting across to both my friends dismay and displeasure at how I did this. But I have to say the terrain changed from that I knew to something else after the flash because I could see the gate ahead of me and I swore it was more to the left after the flash.

I've always wondered if I died or crossed through something at that time because after this great life changes took place not just in me physically who was now 180 pounds in his undies and used to be 215lbs, who used to drink a lot of Bush beer but who doesn't even have a taste for it now and I haven't had a drop of alcohol since that river crossing in 02! Yet I could drink more than any three people you could name before that! I also had all this knowledge out of no where in a field I never worked in before and moved from dentistry to another field and then became somewhat of an expert in that field and I still don't know how I knew the things or still know the things I do know about this other industry and inner workings, how to's and technical know how I should not really know!

Yet people rely on me for my expertise even so much as the manufactures of a product I know so much about that when they get in over their head with one they at times refer to me and really even as I read some of my statements about these things I wonder where it came from because I worked in dental all life. That was it for both of us the wife too! She is still a dentist. I don't do anything with it and have no desire to go there anymore. The other thing is that although the wife and I are close, since that time in 02 was the last time this couple has been intimate. Its like even she knows unconscious of why, that something is the same but yet different about me now compared to the guy she married. We talk about that and can about agree on the time this change took place so we both recognize it.

I rely on her to tell me how I was, to fill me in on things I simply don't know about even in my own family at times but its rare and subtle things. Some of which she disagrees with but we both have that one thing we had before, communication and we do that well however we have no real interest in each other other than a room mate type thing now even having given each other a hall pass. Neither of us has done anything with anyone else but again we recognize that in 02 something happened. I have since wondered about the effects of water and electricity for many hours after that evening crossing that river I guess I should never survived getting across. I mean 50" deep running river is a lot of water even for the Pinz yet here I am. For all I know all this is a dream and I died that evening but I really can't prove it.

The guy in 02 had one cat and two dogs. The guy today has 15 cats and no dogs! Most everyone that knows me from back then knew I didn't even really like cats, it was the wife that had the cat! Anyway, when people started talking about other things like this it was a relief in some ways because I had some weird deal happen that evening and there is still more to it I haven't even added it was such a strange day!

Maggie
16th July 2016, 15:28
Also Dorothy's line: "I don't think we are in Kansas anymore Toto" has changed to I have a feeling we are not in Kansas anymore.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcD9yZLPP9g

Also the dog's name. Is it Toto or Todo? Does it really even matter anymore.

well, there are still multiple choices


From the 1939 film The Wizard of Oz in which Dorothy states "Toto, I've a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore."
we're not in Kansas anymore - Wiktionary
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/not_in_Kansas_anymoreWiktionary

OK, so THIS version has a larger irony than "I think" IMO.

Do I want irony, paradox, lack of certain endings, lack of concrete explication in my time libne?
Yes, so I guess that the only reason this melange of cultural uncertainty CAN exo=ist is by my own choice? OHHHH Hahahahah....
Thanks for persisting with the references untio i "Got it." Love, M

Maggie
16th July 2016, 15:49
It's mind boggling to think of the possible timelines. All things are possible so there would be timelines that are very different and others that are so similar it's hard to distinguish. Perhaps the very similar ones overlap and some of us cross over in some way.

There's also the puzzle of using dreaming and other methods of exploring existence outside of the constraints of time and space. If one has been spending time exploring the possibilities, there could possibly be confusion over what was seen. Was it in physical, time-bound life or in another experience of reality and its possibilities?

I do find that many people I know seem to have utterly forgotten things they said/did or even positions they held on issues. I think they just don't want to be responsible.

OK, so if we grabbed on to a belief early on, stuck to it, kept faith with our response-ability and just KNEW more than doubt "That path", would that carve a time line that kept deepening? Would we keep seeing affirmations that kept us on a trail. I think so.

Then unfortunately, if that trail was not very "good" for us, wouldn't it be important that we get flipped out of the groove? It would be a very big shake out if the grooves were DEEP.

That is what seems to me.....

/NDq36YD1ESM

Elen
16th July 2016, 16:47
Now here a BIG one concerning the Wizard of Oz.

Remember that time the Scarecrow pulled out a gun and fired a bullet at Dorothy by accident? If you don't remember that scene then you are probably experiencing the Mandela effect.

I had to good look at the movie from my collection. It's from a 1990 edition and has indeed the gun in it. It's very unassuming as it's only on for a short time when the lion also had another tool, so it is in the movie for sure, although we may not remember it, because of the shortness of it. It never showed Dorothy being shot though.

Maggie
16th July 2016, 17:09
I had to good look at the movie from my collection. It's from a 1990 edition and has indeed the gun in it. It's very unassuming as it's only on for a short time when the lion also had another tool, so it is in the movie for sure, although we may not remember it, because of the shortness of it. It never showed Dorothy being shot though.

I don't think a gun was in the book.
Is it really a "mandela" effect just because someone took a story and changed details. That is one issue (this confusion about WHY a change happened in collective memory. Was it really timeline change or was a simple variation on a story inserted in a later telling) that will cloud the understanding.

If this is helping us with the way collective memory is shaped by versions...that is a separate issue. It ties into how alt community "researchers" take information and twist it and then declare it the truth. The integrity of Frank Baum's story would be important IMO as he wrote it. This ties in to all twisting of source material.

The meme is an insertion INTO collective memory. The mandela effect is itself a meme. Memes like "Don't go to the Light" when you die get inserted by authorities we accept. That particular one was first seen in my reality when JZ Knight used it in the last century. The latest unveiling of the SP apocalypse should have us question all he inserted IMO.

Since none of us here have died permanently (maybe some NDEs but came back), we might get really terribly confused by the fear of "going to the light". Since to my knowledge we will all die in the next 100 years or so, this is important confusing of the mind displayed.

The idea that there is a passage out to be taken (or refused) could hang up a smooth transition. The SOURCE materials that have come from the lineage IMO of the deep truth say we might WANT to quickly follow the light and not get stretched in the bardo?

So we need to learn to forget some ideas we have been shown IMO. Do some ideas make sense in the context of their meaning? The idea that the scarecrow would have had a gun makes no sense to me as he was a strawman. The tinman had the oil can.

Aragorn
16th July 2016, 17:38
I had to good look at the movie from my collection. It's from a 1990 edition and has indeed the gun in it. It's very unassuming as it's only on for a short time when the lion also had another tool, so it is in the movie for sure, although we may not remember it, because of the shortness of it. It never showed Dorothy being shot though.

It also deserves to be mentioned here that movie versions may differ depending on the market. For instance, there are several movies which have scenes in the DVD version for Europe which were not seen in the theatrical version and may also not be in the DVD version for the USA. Other movies may even have scenes which have been swapped in sequence. I will give you a few examples below.



1. In the DVD version of the movie Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliens_vs._Predator:_Requiem), the Predator who comes to Earth in order to clean up after the Aliens have caused a Predator ship to crash here, allowing the Aliens to spread out, learns of what happened by way of the distress signal from the Predator ship just before it crashed. However, in the version which aired on digital television here — the word "aired" is a misnomer ;) — he only really sees what has happened when he puts on the visor of one of the Predators who were killed by the Aliens, and thus long after having received the distress call, having travelled to Earth, and then ultimately having found the crashed ship.


2. Another example would be the movie Highlander IV: Endgame (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highlander:_Endgame). In that movie, Connor MacLeod retreats into a special facility called the Sanctuary, which was created by the Watchers, where Immortals go in order to spend the rest of their existence in a state of semi-hibernation, so that the Gathering would not take place. Jacob Kell, knowing that Connor has gone to the Sanctuary, finds the Sanctuary, raids it, and beheads every Immortal there — taking all of their Quickenings in the process, of course — with the sole exception of Connor MacLeod, whom he hates and whom he wants to continue to live and suffer while watching everyone around him die.


In the original movie, Methos explains to Duncan MacLeod that the Sanctuary was located on Holy Ground. However, this brought about loud protest from the fans, as the golden rule in the Highlander universe is that no Immortal — not even the most evil among them — will ever fight or kill on Holy Ground. Furthermore, it had already been hinted in the TV series that two Immortals did once battle on Holy Ground, at Pompeii, and that this was the cause of the eruption of Mount Vesuvius. Likewise, in "Highlander III: The Sorcerer", Connor is attacked by Kane inside a dojo which was once a Buddhist shrine — and thus, it is Holy Ground — and the dojo catches fire in what appears to be a paranormal way. By consequence, the passage where Methos says that the Sanctuary is located on Holy Ground was cut from the DVD release.


In the same movie, there is a mock "last supper" scene, where Jacob Kell kills all of his henchmen one by one, and it is hinted that he also kills Kate, Duncan's former wife. You see the pearls of her necklace drop to the ground and bounce around. Then, during the final battle scene, where Duncan and Jacob fight to the death, Kell throws a pendant that once belonged to Kate onto Duncan — who's lying on the ground, heavily wounded — signifying that he killed her with the rest of his henchmen. This is then what gives Duncan the anger and the strength to get up again, fight Jacob Kell once more, and finally, behead him.

Several versions of the movie leave it at that, but both of the versions I've seen have Duncan meet up with Kate again at the end of the movie, indicating that Kell chose to spare her, but that he wanted Duncan to believe she was dead. And yet, in the 2005 direct-to-DVD finale of the Highlander franchise, called "Highlander V: The Source", Duncan has been married to another woman, Anna, who is a mortal, and later in the movie, he names all the people whom he has had to (proverbially) watch die, Kate being one of them. But with Jacob Kell gone and Kate — herself also an Immortal — having survived the slaughter at Jacob Kell's "last supper", how and when did she die?



Anyway, again no Mandela effect there. Just differently edited and published versions of the same movie. ;)

Dreamtimer
17th July 2016, 15:20
The Christopher Reeves Superman movie had all kinds of different scenes that I didn't see in the original theater showing but were in TV showings later on. It was silly stuff that seemed more geared towards children.

Weird about the gun. But Hollywood was very busy making guns and cigarettes cool. Why not have guns in a child's fantasy/dream?

modwiz
17th July 2016, 15:41
The Christopher Reeves Superman movie had all kinds of different scenes that I didn't see in the original theater showing but were in TV showings later on. It was silly stuff that seemed more geared towards children.

Weird about the gun. But Hollywood was very busy making guns and cigarettes cool. Why not have guns in a child's fantasy/dream?

Digital editing makes things so much easier to cut and paste or insert new material with CGI. Hollywood is a poor example for Mandela effects, IMO.

ZShawn
17th July 2016, 17:20
be just another layer of game
as hollyweird itself has explored indepth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLauqDChQGs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLauqDChQGs
and people be like the man who knew too little:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2bMmtNRpI8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2bMmtNRpI8

Novusod
17th July 2016, 18:10
Here is a residue for people who remember Isaiah 11:6 as "The Lion shall lay down with the lamb."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0gbNKSFcRc

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Here is the way I see this whole Mandela effect fitting into things. Historically the dark forces in the Illuminati have controlled humanity in three ways:
1. Propaganda in Hollywood movies and on TV that create false narratives
2. Advertising and consumerism to make the slaves love their masters
3. The Bible (BUY Bull) which creates inverse morals

All three of these control mechanisms are under assault by invisible forces. The Mandela effect is not a psyop that is beginning. It is the ending of a centuries long psyop. The spell is breaking. Humans are being set free from the psyop. Many in the Mandela effect community think this is something to be feared. I think the Mandela effect is major positive step in human consciousness.

modwiz
17th July 2016, 18:34
I think the Mandela effect is major positive step in human consciousness.

That was the conclusion Shelley and I came to in our video about it.

Innocent Warrior
18th July 2016, 00:08
I didn’t have any interest in this Mandala effect topic because there’s no way it can be proven (with what we know atm anyway), so I didn’t check this thread out until yesterday. It may be impossible to prove objectively but once something clashes with a vivid memory it certainly gets your attention.

I vividly remember the Brad Pitt/Tom Cruise movie was, “Interview with A Vampire”, so vividly that I still have a clear visual of the “A” from the movie jacket in my mind. Unfortunately I don’t own a copy, so I’ve been searching for pictures with the title I remember, to no avail so far. If no pictures exist of that original title then it’s hard for me to look past that.

Although a little more complicated, hence I’m not as certain, another one for me is the final line in Queen’s song, “We are the champions”. The final line was definitely, “We are the champions…of the world”. I checked all the versions I could find, including two from my personal music collection, all are missing, “of the world”, except the 1985 Live Aid version (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPKlrRwJB8A), it still has it.

The only explanation I can come up with is that I had always remembered it as being “we are the champions…of the world” from the Live Aid concert and perhaps other live performances, which doesn’t make a lot of sense to me, that it would stick so powerfully from only live performances. Or, the only other explanation I can come up with atm is that we’ve shifted to a parallel reality where that version was never recorded in the studio versions.

I tested it with my family at home and they both remembered it as the, “of the world” version and were shocked to hear it was not on the recordings in our music collection.

To add some synchronicity to this, I read Dolores Cannon’s, “The Legend of Starcrash” this week-end and read the part below last night. To give a little context to the passage: at this point Dolores was speaking to the spirit of the hunter who had now passed over. Dolores had asked him about a curious event that had happened during his life, an event that fits the description of what we’re calling the Mandala/Mandela effect. He was out hunting for the village, it was winter and they needed more food. He said the energy shifted while he was out hunting, it was a strange energy for him, and he hunted an animal he had never seen before or since. The following excerpt is a part of his explanation for that event -


B: Everything exists on multiple planes, and I'm looking at the Earth and at all the various planes it exists on. The picture is very beautiful, but it's also very complicated. I can see that not only is there the physical Earth that I was familiar with when I was hunting down there, but there are also other Earths that are occupying the same space, but on a different level of energy.

D: That sounds complicated.

B: It's very beautiful. They're all linked together and related to each other. But as you go from one type of energy to another, as well as from one levelof energy to another, there are subtle changes that differentiate the different types of Earth from each other, and the different levels of Earth from each other.

D: Do these different levels and different parts look alike?

B: They look similar, but there are subtle changes. As an example I will use an apple tree. In the springtime when it's blooming on the regular physical Earth that one sees when one is on the physical plane, you see the grayish-brown bark, and the white blossoms with a touch of pink to it. It looks like a regular apple tree. But on the next level up, when the same apple tree is blooming in the springtime, the blossoms will be more of a gold color instead and the bark will be darker. It will still be the same concept, an apple tree, but you're on a different energy level. As you go up through the different energy levels, you keep seeing subtle changes like that. There's one energy level where apple trees have dark brown bark, silver blossoms, and blue leaves. But not just any shade of blue; it's a particular shade. I'm trying to think of a way to describe it for you. You know how it is at sunset when the sun has set all the way and it's twilight, and you still have some gold at the horizon. But straight above you is this pure shade of blue. That's the shade of blue the leaves on the apple trees on one of these energy levels. The leaves have gradually changed from green to blue-green to turquoise to this blue color, as you go up through the different energy levels.

D: It is the same form. It just changing in color.

B: Right. The landscapes stay similar, but they alter a little from one level to the next. If you go up through levels in order, you can see the landscape shift slightly, but you can see where it's related. But if you would start at one level and skip several levels in between, it will look different because you haven't seen the shifting process. It would be different colors, different shapes, different locations. But it all shifts very subtly from one level to the next. For example, you're standing in a field on Earth on the physical plane. There's a river over here to your left, and a mountain to your right. You shift up to the next plane, and the mountain is sloped just a little differently. It might have slightly more gradual slopes or slightly steeper slopes, but it will be shaped just a little differently. It's still at the same location, so you can tell it's the same mountain. And the river might be wider, for example, but it's still the same river. It's just a little different. And if you go up to the next plane, the river might still be the same size, but it might be a little bit closer to the mountain. And so it's just subtle changes like that. If you go up through the levels one at a time you can see these gradual shifts, but you can see where they're related to everything on the level below it. If you were to skip from the Earth level and go up five or six levels, and hit that without looking at any of the levels in between, you might find a level where the grass is bluer in color, the mountain is quite a bit different in shape, and the river has moved to where it's right next to the base of the mountain. And it has now turned into a small rushing mountain stream. You might think you were at a different location, when you're actually still standing at the same place.

D: That does sound complicated, but I think I can understand that.

B: As you go up through the higher energy levels, the relationships of the colors to each other change. Somehow the light changes when you go up, so that the colors appear differently to you. The light apparently affects the colors of everything.

Innocent Warrior
18th July 2016, 01:29
The excerpt below is from the part of the book where Dolores asks Tuin’s spirit about the incident regarding the strange animal (in the chapter before the chapter from which the excerpt in my previous post is from). To avoid confusion I will need to clarify and expand on what I wrote in my previous post.

To clarify my previous post: when I say the strange animal incident was what we would refer to as the Mandala effect, in Tuin’s case it was a slightly different situation and it was temporary, it was more like he was in two intersecting realities and he was actually able to bring the animal back from the parallel reality. Note what he said about the effect when two universes intersect with each other, how some will notice minor changes even though it will go largely unnoticed (paraphrased).

As you will read, he didn’t seem satisfied with his explanation of that event, in the next session he continued to explain the parallel universes, before Dolores asked any questions, hence the excerpt in my previous post is apparently a continuation of the explanation below.

Dolores and the spirit are speaking about Tuin in third person at this point because his spirit she’s talking to has passed over.

A lot of the words in my copy of the PDF run into each other and the page breaks cause some of it to get jumbled up when I copy/paste it. I’ve corrected it all and checked it but if anything doesn’t make any sense then let me know and I’ll check back with the book again.


D: … One thing I’ve been wondering about was that strange animal Tuin found. Can you see anything about that?

B: Yes. That was a rare occurrence. There are many, many separate universes existing in the same space as yours. They are normally invisible because they are vibrating at different speeds. These different universes intersect with each other but usually the points of intersection are not compatible, so inhabitants of the two different universes are not aware of the intersection. There may be some minor changes that one or two people might notice, but it will be nothing major. In this case there was one particular point that was a rare occurrence of a compatible intersection. When Tuin was out hunting he was in two universes simultaneously but was not aware of it. The animal he killed was an inhabitant of the other universe. But since it was a compatible intersection he was able to transport the animal into this universe without destroying its basic matrix.

(Delores comment to the reader) - This was very confusing to me. I had never encountered the idea of parallel universes before in my work. In my book Keepers of the Garden, we discussed other universes composed of energy, and I assumed these were located somewhere out in space. I had not heard of ones composed of similar earth-like physical properties, and occupying the same space as ours.

D: Do you mean the other universe was also a physical universe?

B: Yes. It was a physical universe built along a different basic matrix. But since the intersection was compatible the animal's matrix was not destroyed when it was brought across to this universe. That's what makes that occurrence so rare. If the intersection is not compatible, the basic matrix of anything from the other universe is destroyed and it no long exists in this universe.

D: How do you mean, it is destroyed? It would just disappear or what?

B: Yes. It would just dissolve into nothing and release the energy into the ether.

D: Would somebody see it like a mirage or something?

B: Perhaps. Under certain circumstances they would see it, then it would shimmer and fade away into nothing.

D: You mean, this other universe is living, existing side-by-side with this one?

B: Yes, there are an infinite number of universes existing side-by-side with this one. And they're all interwoven like a cloth (Sigh) The terms of this language are not sufficient.

D: I've been told that before.

B: In order for there to be a compatible intersection, like at this one incident with Tuin, there has to be a very unusual set of variables existing at the same time. Since it happens so rarely, it cannot be expressed with percentages; the number is too small.

D: Well, he did say that whenever he came across this animal he had a strange feeling with his senses.

B: Yes, he was very highly developed psychically and so he was aware of the fact that he was in two universes simultaneously, but he did not know how to state this verbally. He knew what he knew without really knowing what he knew.

D: Yes, he didn’t know exactly what it was. But do you mean this was very unusual for him to be able to bring the animal back to the people?

B: Yes. To be able to bring the animal back fully into his universe without the animal dissolving into nothing is extremely unusual. It rarely happens. It does happen, but just not very often.

D: Of course, the people were very hungry at that time too. This might have been part of it.

B: Yes. Their psychic abilities undoubtedly helped the animal to make the transition.

D: For many years afterward the animal’s head and skin was used by the Wise Man, so it was definitely something physical. And they did eat it, and it apparently didn 't harm them in any way.

B: True.

D: The concept is very interesting, but it’s also very complicated.

B: Yes. I feel that I have perhaps left some mistaken impressions in your mind due to the inadequacies of this language.

D: Well, that’s possible. But other people I’ve spoken to like this have also said the language is inadequate to explain things. Sometimes they must draw analogies for me.

B: True. But they are most inadequate, too. It leaves rather simplified notions in your mind.

"The Legend of Starcrash" is a brilliant book btw.

Novusod
18th July 2016, 18:35
D: Do these different levels and different parts look alike?

B: They look similar, but there are subtle changes. As an example I will use an apple tree. In the springtime when it's blooming on the regular physical Earth that one sees when one is on the physical plane, you see the grayish-brown bark, and the white blossoms with a touch of pink to it. It looks like a regular apple tree. But on the next level up, when the same apple tree is blooming in the springtime, the blossoms will be more of a gold color instead and the bark will be darker. It will still be the same concept, an apple tree, but you're on a different energy level. As you go up through the different energy levels, you keep seeing subtle changes like that. There's one energy level where apple trees have dark brown bark, silver blossoms, and blue leaves. But not just any shade of blue; it's a particular shade. I'm trying to think of a way to describe it for you. You know how it is at sunset when the sun has set all the way and it's twilight, and you still have some gold at the horizon. But straight above you is this pure shade of blue. That's the shade of blue the leaves on the apple trees on one of these energy levels. The leaves have gradually changed from green to blue-green to turquoise to this blue color, as you go up through the different energy levels.


Thank you for posting this because it makes perfect sense.

Noticed this color shift in something in my home just today. Every day I go down into my basement to do some morning exercise and this just popped out at me.

I look at this bucket everyday and now it is a different color than it was just yesterday. I just didn't see it at a glance everyday. I would look at it everyday for a few minutes when I did my exercises because it was right in my field of view. I noticed the change right away because it was very obvious.
http://i.imgur.com/jc8qsqW.jpg
The bucket was the same color as the paint inside so the drips on the side were not noticeable.

This bucket used to be kind of an off white grey like this:
http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/productImages/400/74/74722ddd-74fd-4a95-8f1b-102391df9a80_400.jpg

Very weird.

Novusod
19th July 2016, 20:00
Other people are noticing strange landscape changes as well.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Co_DP-c6c94

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Also do you guys know what the "DON'T" sign looks like? It is that red circle with a line through it commonly used in street signs. No U-Turn, No littering, no smoking, Photography Prohibited. Quickly draw the Red Circle with a line through it without thinking about it too much or looking it up. I will post pictures later because there is some really strange stuff going on.

Novusod
21st July 2016, 04:11
So which one looks right to you?

NO Parking
http://i.imgur.com/HsDg4LF.jpg

NO Turn
http://i.imgur.com/JnYLGxz.jpg

Mute Sound
http://i.imgur.com/hPhr34Q.jpg

Ghostbusters
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/25/7b/48/257b48e97277d7962d0237fbe9ff45ab.jpg

Something is not right here. Maybe Hollywood is just screwing with our minds because of Ghostbusters. But what the hell.

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Now another topic. The $1 bill has changed specifically around the Pyramid.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWViXkHFB6U

The Illuminati are being erased. There will soon emerge a reality where these scums don't exist anymore.

Jengelen
21st July 2016, 12:45
Took some digging but I found my copy and I'll be danged!

Novusod
23rd July 2016, 07:41
Here is a good break down of the Sex IN the City Mandela effect.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSB4aTWsPVc
Really they all said it wrong, even Trump.

Novusod
23rd July 2016, 07:49
Took some digging but I found my copy and I'll be danged!

Do you remember a red letter "A" in the title Interview with A Vampire.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5lFHc-tJv8

Innocent Warrior
24th July 2016, 13:20
I remember a red "A".

I figured that proof for me of the Mandala effect would be if no evidence of the "A" version existed, because of it clashing with the vivid memory I have. I thought that if there are images of the, "Interview With A Vampire" version then the logical explanation would have to be that the title was changed. Still confusing, a bit of a stretch because that's never done (to my knowledge), but it's the only logical explanation. Too much of a stretch, it doesn't make any sense, but another option is it had always gone by both titles.

I saw the version I remembered, on the video in the previous post, so the next logical step is to check evidence of the title being changed or there having always been two titles. The results of my search has left me scratching my head, this reality is not behaving like either of the more logical options.

I can find no mention of the same movie (or book) going by two different titles, or any mention of the title being changed. I did image searches, all are the "the" version. If the title had been changed or there were always two, there would be plenty of copies and images of both but I could find none of the "A" versions. As seen in the video in the previous post, they do exist but they must be rare, far too few to account for either logical explanation.

I checked ebay, if there were any to be found, that's where they'd be, and nothing. There are a few listings of the "A" version on ebay, but that's only what the seller entered, the images for all those are of the "the" version, including an original movie poster (http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2053587.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xoriginal+ interview+with+a+vampire.TRS0&_nkw=original+interview+with+a+vampire&_sacat=0). There's also a 1976 first edition book (http://www.ebay.com/bhp/interview-with-the-vampire), autographed by Anne Rice. So it turns out that the image of the "A" version actually only serves as confirmation of the memory of it.

Just noting this and a couple of observations because if this is as Tuin explained to Dolores then this is what an intersection would look like and, theoretically, the image in the video (previous post) is a remnant of a soon to be previous reality. It's possible it too will change, so I am consciously taking note so I will remember it. Also it will be interesting if these posts also change, if that happens.

I wonder if this effect will intensify, if there will be more obvious changes or a lot of them. With the butterfly effect in mind, I imagine the smallest changes would cause enormous changes in the direction we are heading in regards to the timeline we are/were on. The implications are staggering really. Then there's the collective insights that can be gained from such an effect, like how our memories remain intact while the outer material world shifts, an implication being that we as a consciousness are indeed separate from the matrix of this reality. I have experienced it on a small scale (individual) a few times, twice with witnesses, so it's definitely possible in my mind, I'm just blown away by it happening collectively like this. Amazing, I agree it's a good thing, a very good sign I think.

If anyone can point out any flaws in my logic or any other logical explanations I'd appreciate it.

Jengelen
24th July 2016, 14:04
Do you remember a red letter "A" in the title Interview with A Vampire.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5lFHc-tJv8

I was arguing with my wife that it was 'A' vampire not 'the' as it was! I was quite shocked! I did recall the A but not the red part no.

Novusod
26th July 2016, 02:55
Here is an interesting video by Philip K Dick recorded in 1977 where he describes something akin to the Mandela effect. He called it Exegesis.

Philip K Dick is most known for his novel "The Man in the High Castle" which was recently made into a mini series on Amazon Prime TV (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzayf9GpXCI). The novel is about an alternate reality where the Nazis won WW2. Philip K Dick insists that this novel is not a work of fiction but does in fact exist on another time line. In the novel the protagonist defeats the Nazis with reality residue that shows the US won WW2.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VluQdFQPyeI

Novusod
27th July 2016, 17:32
For those who are following Sylvie's "Atlantis Survivor" videos you may recall in video 38 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2FVwbYy8jk) she talked about impossible statues that seemingly change slightly.

Example being the Vorontsov Palace Girl.

http://i.imgur.com/czXkE16.jpg

The changed statue could be a forgery but it could also be a Mandela effect. We saw evidence of Mandela effects in other art works such as the Sistine Chapel and the Mona Lisa.

Possible residue found for the Mona Lisa. Which painting is the real one?

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/07/bd/af/07bdafa803b5b2623304c8da32f2f2ee.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGOgqqOSt8o

Novusod
28th July 2016, 20:59
OK how about this one?

Terrorists say "Allahu Akbar" now. Didn't it used to be Allah Akbar means "God be Praised?" What the hell is Allahu?

http://i.imgur.com/JFizWvd.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/DYpm9o8.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/WjNG94R.jpg

The matrix must really be glitching out. I thought it was just a fluke when I first saw it but now it is everywhere and all the media is saying Allahu instead of Allah.

Aragorn
28th July 2016, 21:26
OK how about this one?

Terrorists say "Allahu Akbar" now. Didn't it used to be Allah Akbar means "God be Praised?" What the hell is Allahu?

[...]

The matrix must really be glitching out. I thought it was just a fluke when I first saw it but now it is everywhere and all the media is saying Allahu instead of Allah.

It has always been "Allahu" — that is the correct grammatical construct in Arabic — but western nations have always thought it was simply "Allah" — until recently, when somebody noticed that it was incorrect. And then, the mainstream media being the parrots they are, all quickly changed the way they pronounced it.

In the 1970s, during the Polish worker protests, my dad and I were both immensely amused by how the anchormen of the mainstream news kept on pronouncing the name of Lech Wałęsa (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lech_Wa%C5%82%C4%99sa) differently virtually every single day. ;)

modwiz
28th July 2016, 22:39
I think some of the posts in this thread are "reaching" for the meme. I will thank them anyway because at least it is a contribution to a conversation, and appreciated.

Novusod
29th July 2016, 01:24
It has always been "Allahu" — that is the correct grammatical construct in Arabic — but western nations have always thought it was simply "Allah" — until recently, when somebody noticed that it was incorrect. And then, the mainstream media being the parrots they are, all quickly changed the way they pronounced it.

In the 1970s, during the Polish worker protests, my dad and I were both immensely amused by how the anchormen of the mainstream news kept on pronouncing the name of Lech Wałęsa (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lech_Wa%C5%82%C4%99sa) differently virtually every single day. ;)

Well it is news to me. I never heard the term "Allahu Akbar" until last week. I have seen plenty of video where the Muslims are shouting it and it never came off as Allahu until this shift occurred.

Dreamtimer
29th July 2016, 01:43
I've definitely heard the allahu way. And I think it's been consistently misspoken, like the name of Lech Walesa. Honestly, I'm still not sure how that's pronounced. And the name Qatar has been said so many ways I get dizzy.:ok:

We are obstinate about mispronouncing things in my country.

modwiz
29th July 2016, 01:48
Well it is news to me. I never heard the term "Allahu Akbar" until last week. I have seen plenty of video where the Muslims are shouting it and it never came off as Allahu until this shift occurred.

It has always sounded like Allahu akbar to me, most of the time. I am calling a Mandela Effect foul here because I have publicly stated I think there is something real and good about it. I therefore respect the concept and do not enjoy it being stretched into a farce. A person with a hammer in their hands sees more nails than one with a full toolbox. I do understand they are trying to be helpful.

Novusod
29th July 2016, 06:09
It has always sounded like Allahu akbar to me, most of the time. I am calling a Mandela Effect foul here because I have publicly stated I think there is something real and good about it. I therefore respect the concept and do not enjoy it being stretched into a farce. A person with a hammer in their hands sees more nails than one with a full toolbox. I do understand they are trying to be helpful.

That is fine if you think that. Not every Mandela effect will apply to everybody.

Google trends shows that Allah Akbar applies to about a quarter of all search results in 2016 while before 2011 it out paced Allahu Akbar. I think it is a possible Mandela effect.
http://i.imgur.com/lVq6bY6.jpg

Understand what you think of as "reaching" is simply the way I investigate things. My mind is like a black hole, not because it is empty but because it pulls in everything both good and bad. I have an insatiable thirst for knowledge and information. Then over time I go through a process of separating the wheat from the tares. Even the tares are not thrown out but just put to the side for use at a later time. There is no such thing as bad knowledge, just facts that are not applicable to a given situation.

Novusod
29th July 2016, 07:59
I would like to shift the thread slightly and discuss some parallel theories. First lets look at the Exegesis theory proposed by Author Philip K Dick.

Philip K. Dick: "Some people claim to have experienced different past lives. I claim to have experienced a different, a very different present life." (1977) Valis Exegesis.

This is very similar to what people who experience the Mandela effect claim to see in their lives. In terms of the Exegesis theory it would be as if you woke up one morning and the apple you had for breakfast turned blue. You think 'wow a blue apple that is so strange.' Then you go show it to your friends and family and they don't know what you are talking about. They say 'apples have always been blue.' In pre-internet days one simply was forced to conform with the herd and go along with it else be thought insane. Philip K Dick was experiencing this in the 70s. He responded to this phenomenon by writing books of fiction such as "The man in the high castle" but to him these books were not fiction. In his mind he came from a world where apples were blue and the Nazis won world war 2.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/f5/c3/61/f5c361d5d394bd65979111f7cd49fdf4.jpg

The Mandela effect builds on top of the Exegesis theory as an internet meme because people who experience this phenomenon are more easily able to talk to each other. The wall of silence and conformity that was a prominent feature of life in the 1970s no longer applies to life in 2016. So you meet someone online who also remembers the "red apples." These people gather on Reddit and on YouTube and we swap stories which we now call Mandela effects. Then someone finds a residue of the old reality and posts a picture of red apples. For a brief moment you are back in the old reality where apples are red and you remember more of the old world. It is not just about apples. It a whole bunch of things. That is the Mandela effect in a nutshell explained as a corollary to Philip K Dick's Exegesis theory.

modwiz
29th July 2016, 08:20
The Mandela effect builds on top of the Exegesis theory as an internet meme because people who experience this phenomenon are more easily able to talk to each other. The wall of silence and conformity that was a prominent feature of life in the 1970s no longer applies to life in 2016. So you meet someone online who also remembers the "red apples." These people gather on Reddit and on YouTube and we swap stories which we now call Mandela effects. Then someone finds a residue of the old reality and posts a picture of red apples. For a brief moment you are back in the old reality where apples are red and you remember more of the old world. It is not just about apples. It a whole bunch of things. That is the Mandela effect in a nutshell explained as a corollary to Philip K Dick's Exegesis theory.

Hereis a perfect example of what you are stating. I remember the seventies as a very social time with camping out with friends a regular activity. We gathered on our corner daily and were rarely without a group of us hanging out and the musicians making music. Parties happened almost weekly and lots of "cuddling" went on. I find far more conformity in 2016 than the seventies. So we have a Mandela Effect or Exegesis one. I am 63 and remember the 70's as some of most fun and active years of my life. Even got married twice.

The false sense of community, people without faces, of today was not part of the 70's. The seventies were more organic and real life, filled with smiles, handshakes, high-fives and hugs. And, I had no friends whose face I did not know. Hell, I even saw the faces of most strangers. Other than rare telemarketing, phone calls were made by familiar people. With faces that I knew.

Novusod
29th July 2016, 09:33
The next parallel theory I would like to discuss is Terence Mckenna's Timewave Zero theory.

Anyone remember Terence Mckenna? He was a pretty big name on the esoteric speaking circuit. He did a lot of radio interviews on the subject of time convergence which he called Timewave Zero.

He didn't experience any Mandela effects at least none that he publicly spoke about other than his experiencing hallucinations while under the influence of Ayahuasca. However there is one particular line that really stuck out in my memory.

Terence Mckenna: "A conversation began with a logos entity where it said to me: 'Did you know that every day is composed of four other days.'"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf4QTtnPEWg

Terence Mckenna goes onto explain that time is compromised of 4 waves and the 4 waves interact with each other in different patterns. He came to this conclusion based on his reading of the I-Ching. This pattern was to come a conclusion on Dec 21st 2012.

A lot of people stopped paying attention Terence Mckenna after 2012 when nothing happened. Terence Mckenna is what I would call a "Tare." He had good information and knowledge but it wasn't applicable yet. Maybe it is time to take a second look at Terence Mckenna and Timewave zero and how it applies to the Mandela effect. Could the 4 different time waves Terence Mckenna describes be responsible for causing the Mandela effect? Now I am asking a question here. I am neither confirming nor denying this possibility. If everyday is compromised of 4 other days then maybe people are living inside those other days as separate realities?

Again I am neither confirming nor denying this possibility.

Lets take a look at the bigger picture here:

Modern science states that there are 4 states of matter.
- Solids, Liquids, Gasses, and Plasma

In my root language (http://jandeane81.com/threads/8229-Root-language-and-esoteric-numerology) theory I understood that each of the states of matter has its own vibration and they correspond to the letters N O V U.
- Sound of vibrating solids is the letter "N" (tuning fork (http://i.imgur.com/MMbLwRu.jpg))
- Sound of vibrating plasma and ether is the letter "O" (Ohm perfect sound (http://i.imgur.com/jKR2NUp.jpg))
- Sound of vibrating air is the letter "V" (Vibration of Heaven (http://i.imgur.com/aJd92YH.jpg))
- Sound of vibrating liquid is the letter "U" (Universal urn (http://i.imgur.com/DPrLBwU.jpg))

Look at the word Universe (one verse) one note. It is divided by fours.
-Four states of mater
-Four vibrations
-Four time waves (from Terrance Mckenna's time wave zero theory)

4 x 4 x 4 = 64 which is the sacred number in the I-Ching divination texts. Divination is what gives us predictions. This will be the next step in the evolution of understanding the Mandela effect. Can we predict what will shift next in the Mandela effect. We are about to find out so watch this space.

Novusod
29th July 2016, 10:01
Hereis a perfect example of what you are stating. I remember the seventies as a very social time with camping out with friends a regular activity. We gathered on our corner daily and were rarely without a group of us hanging out and the musicians making music. Parties happened almost weekly and lots of "cuddling" went on. I find far more conformity in 2016 than the seventies. So we have a Mandela Effect or Exegesis one. I am 63 and remember the 70's as some of most fun and active years of my life. Even got married twice.

The false sense of community, people without faces, of today was not part of the 70's. The seventies were more organic and real life, filled with smiles, handshakes, high-fives and hugs. And, I had no friends whose face I did not know. Hell, I even saw the faces of most strangers. Other than rare telemarketing, phone calls were made by familiar people. With faces that I knew.

It could be that we just have different backgrounds. I was just a little kid back then and I had to go to school. No time for parties. Most topics of discussion that I found interesting were taboo so I had to suppress everything about about myself in order to fit in. I do remember the organic face to face interactions though. Lots of handshakes, high-fives, and hugs. It wasn't all good though. Saying the wrong thing could land a fist in my face.

Dreamtimer
29th July 2016, 12:41
I remember being with my mom shopping. (This was actually at the end of the 60s). We were in a kind of mall. I saw four hippies come by. They were just like the typical images: long hair, vests, head bands, ribbons, bell bottoms, and smiles. I looked at them and noticed how beautiful they were, and how differently they were dressed. The young woman looked at me and smiled and said, "What a beautiful little girl." They all smiled, the others were guys and they all had lovely faces and friendly eyes. At this point my mom noticed and pulled me away saying, "We don't talk to people like that." I was quite small, my arm had to reach up to hold my mom's hand. I doubt she thought I'd recall that moment. It was etched in my mind forever.

It was one of many moments in life where I knew she was wrong but couldn't tell her. Unfortunately, when I became an adult, and despite promises of listening to whatever I had to say, I was never able to talk to her about that moment or many, many others.

Sometimes people just don't want to have honest conversations. Perhaps this timeline will change such that honest conversations are the norm.:wiz:

Maggie
29th July 2016, 15:37
As to a general shift, I am sure that there is evidence that reality cannot be the same for everyone...just because of perception. I did not personally expect a single moment of change for a "SHIFT". And besides, we are all passing by in the blink of an eye at best, in linear time.


I have been reading Lisa Renee's info "Energetic Synthesis" for years. She has a blog here Timelines Shift (http://www.energeticsynthesis.com/index.php/resource-tools/news-shift-timelines/2786-timelines-shift)

FYI....(some of the blog, go to the website for the rest)


We are nearing a time of more visible and tangible changes for the planet and for the collective consciousness of humanity. For those of us who are able to participate consciously in this process, these changes are very encouraging, even as the workload feels like it is increasing. For those who are not able to consciously participate, they will be participating none-the-less. As planet Earth shifts her station of identity and moves into her soul embodiment, all those who keep their bodies will make this transition with her. We may soon witness a collective Dark Night of the Soul, as humanity unknowingly moves onto a higher frequency platform, causing all that has been unseen, unhealed, and unintegrated to bubble to the surface. As chaotic as this may appear in the outer scape, the pressures being applied are essentially supportive. In this newsletter we will delve deeper into the mechanics of this unfolding process, in order to better understand how we might best participate with these changes at both micro and macro levels.

There are many subtle force reconfigurations occurring at the quantum level of the planetary mainframe that are changing the way the external and collective energy fields organize and manifest into the world. This has shifted the way the original human race blueprint relays its intelligent information into the collective consciousness fields of earth. When the collective fields shift in this way, it means there has been a frequency shift in the collective agreement that impacts the overall consciousness evolution on the planet, therefore, the Timelines Shift.

As current Timelines Shift, this also shifts the coordinate location and energetic contents of the past and future timelines existing on the earth plane, all at the same time. There are powerful infusions of plasmic light and new time codes that are filtering onto the earth, as we pass through the Silver Gate. An intersection point exists between two circuit paths, the path of the Sun and Galactic Equator, which opens a gateway in-between the Taurus and Gemini constellations. As the Sun transits through Gemini, the transmission of its zodiac principle greatly influences the earth body, and therefore influences the behavior in the collective consciousness of humanity. Currently, the pressures are high to synthesize the pairs of opposite that exist in the world of forces, to evolve beyond the lower density black substance that has been buried in the collective consciousness fields of the earth. A lot of that black substance has been manifested into timelines from embedded alien architecture, which imitate the Mother’s creation principle, and is what the dark entities tend to hijack. The building up of pressure in between these opposing forces and groups is reaching its peak, which is bifurcating or splitting apart timelines. This is greatly amplified in the collective fields, especially during the Summer Solstice through mid-July, as planetary Timelines Shift.

The new timelines are to transcend the previous histories of alien hybridization and the destructive victimizer programming that has been installed in the lower collective consciousness. These new timelines are similar to an airplane runway that is designed to help bridge the current reality of the earth (that is the result of the accumulated energies of the past destructive histories with NAA), to connect with the higher reality potentials of the divine human on the future earth. We are on the runway that leads to our higher reality potentials in the future timeline now. Not everyone is on the same timeline. Try to remember this fact to help bring greater comfort, when experiencing intense, sudden and spontaneous life altering changes that are more likely to occur during this time.

Corrections are being made to the current collective human DNA imprint that is reconnecting new future memories, therefore, new timelines into the various planetary regions and within the crystal caverns. These areas hold the histories of the seedings on the earth, along with the entire genetic record and the history with the planetary 12 Tribes. The planet’s lower dimensional frequency bands and their energy vortices are rolling up and dissolving into the Grail points, which changes the species memory records. As Timelines Shift, it changes previous trigger events recorded throughout history, and thus, has a chain reaction that changes future memories in the ancestral and genetic code of the planetary tribal identities. The planetary architecture is transmitting the ancient history of humanities true origins from the Ancient Builder Races, as the original instruction set is transmitted from the awakening Albion body. Our species memory goes much further back before the seedings of the planetary tribal identities. This informs the collective consciousness field and other nonhuman species, that humanity did not come from the Annunaki or other off planet races, or those races that were involved in genetically modifying and cloning the human genome in the past. The Albion and Cathar body hold the Holy Father and Holy Mother Principles in the earth. As these bodies gradually unify, they are releasing more original coding into the collective consciousness fields, which contain the true identity of the Ancient Builder Races or the Guardian Host. This event directly changes many of the histories and timelines that are recorded upon the earth.

Maggie
29th July 2016, 20:06
Another person whose books and interviews I have been following for years is Paul Levy.
I tend to agree that this is a dream like experience that we awaken in...then awaken out of AND CHANGE THE DREAM?
What if this mandela effect is simply an indicator of observing the dream, like when people start seeing "23" or "11/11".

IMO what we keep avoiding is US, the origination and forgetting then projection of our own agency. paul Levy has been using the theme of 'wetiko' the shadow projection we cannot see, a GAP where we did not own ourselves. The lacunae....BIG hole that we need to fill with our own conscious awareness.

Mandela effect ETC. is essentially a message to self, reminder, post it note from our guiding inner voice, HELLO, HELLO, HELLO< come relate to the creative spirit that is within...don't be so externalized!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (ETC.)

AnaW6ucN8tA

Dreamtimer
29th July 2016, 20:45
I just listened to another interview with him, Maggie. Thanks for sharing this one.:D

Novusod
31st July 2016, 17:01
New major bible change:

Almost everyone should remember Matthew 7-1 Judge not, lest ye be judged.

This quote does not exist in any version of the bible I could find.

http://i.imgur.com/uDIqdo5.jpg

In the King James Version: Matthew 7-1 has been changed to Judge not, that ye be not judged.

Full set of proofs in this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2MJ1gIF5_4

Novusod
31st July 2016, 18:01
One of the fair criticisms of the Mandela effect is that some say it is not provable. Though one can not fully document an observable phenomenon without being about to make predictions. As I mentioned previously making accurate predictions will be the next evolution in our understanding of the Mandela effect.

Let's examine the missing Letter "s" Mandela effect. All of the following names of people and things were once spelled with a letter "s" according to some people's memories and residues but have since lost the "s" due to the Mandela effect.

Sally Field(s)
Christopher Reeve(s)
Cracker Jack(s)
Depend(s)
Bragg(s) Apple Cider
Cheez-It(s)
Book of Revelation(s)

A reasonable prediction that one could make is that the missing "s" pattern would continue as more names that still have the letter "s" will at some future date lose the "s."
These are possible changes that could occur in the future using the missing "s" theme:
- Keanu Reeves will lose the "s" in his name
- Christopher Atkins (actor from the 80s) will lose his "s"
- Cheerios will possibly lose it's "s"
- Apple Jacks will lose the "s"
- Campbell's Soup will lose the "s"
- SpeghettiOs will lose its "s"

I almost feel as if SpeghettiOs is in the process of changing right now. I have a memory of Speghetti-O's spelled with a dash and apostrophe. Speghettios sounds very awkward so the "s" will fall off soon and it will just be SpeghettiO.

One might assume that Bernie Sanders would lose the "s" in the spelling his name but that seems unlikely given that his name is too well imprinted in our minds right now. The Mandela effect appears to be strongly linked to human consciousness so anything that is directly in our focus won't change. It is only when we are not really paying attention that shifts occur under our collective noses. Perhaps in a few years after Bernie Sanders leaves the public spotlight the spelling of his name too will change.
People will say "Bernie what? Bernie Sander I remember him but wasn't his name Bernie Sanders?"












Elen
1st August 2016, 09:22
On that note, I would appreciate the "s" disappearing from the word NEW(S). Maybe it will have some real meaning after all. :chrs:

I once heard of a man that went into a "New Age" bookstore and purchased a pack of Tarot Cards and he saw something else in the shop that he wanted also. Later he went back to the shop to buy that other thing, but discovered that the shop wasn't there. Not only that, but it had never ever been there.

Of course there is no proof, because it is only his words against anybody else's words, so it becomes just another story.

I really hope that something solid comes out of this thread, because I think there's more to this than meets the eye. Keep digging Novusod!

:h5:

Novusod
1st August 2016, 19:08
On that note, I would appreciate the "s" disappearing from the word NEW(S). Maybe it will have some real meaning after all. :chrs:

I once heard of a man that went into a "New Age" bookstore and purchased a pack of Tarot Cards and he saw something else in the shop that he wanted also. Later he went back to the shop to buy that other thing, but discovered that the shop wasn't there. Not only that, but it had never ever been there.

Of course there is no proof, because it is only his words against anybody else's words, so it becomes just another story.

I really hope that something solid comes out of this thread, because I think there's more to this than meets the eye. Keep digging Novusod!

:h5:

A person who goes into a store to buy a magical trinket only to return and find the shop didn't exist is a well established trope in mysticism. The Simpsons even made a parody of this trope.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D63uScTzgEw

There probably is some truth to the disappearing magic store though as it could have happened to one person and then others copied the original story. I will of course continue to keep digging.

Wind
1st August 2016, 21:17
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSYHEtn2vmA

Novusod
1st August 2016, 22:50
What is this "Mandela Effect"???? ((The Power of Mass delusion))

Although he may have some relevant points he seems overly dismissive of the concept as a whole. There is a fine line between being skeptical and closed minded. Not all of this can be chalked up to a delusion especially the Mandela effects that have left behind residual evidence. Delusions don't leave behind physical evidence.

Innocent Warrior
2nd August 2016, 04:59
Mass delusion or mass psychosis seems to be the explanation for many paranormal etc. things, over simplified and over used I think.

We have this tendency to think that if something can be doubted, always using far more convincing logic of course, then it's not real or worth investigating. I think this is a mistake, our physical minds are brilliant, we could come up with a convincing mechanical view of anything unusual, and here we are still debating rudimentary creative principles in the 21st century. See how that works?

I love your attitude Novusod - you are open, dare to be different and dare to make mistakes, like all the paradigm busters before.

Update: I mean generally speaking throughout the thread, in the final paragraph above btw. I'm with Elen on the Mandala effect, I hope something solid comes out of this thread too.

Collidescope
2nd August 2016, 14:24
As to a general shift, I am sure that there is evidence that reality cannot be the same for everyone...just because of perception. I did not personally expect a single moment of change for a "SHIFT". And besides, we are all passing by in the blink of an eye at best, in linear time.


I have been reading Lisa Renee's info "Energetic Synthesis" for years. She has a blog here Timelines Shift (http://www.energeticsynthesis.com/index.php/resource-tools/news-shift-timelines/2786-timelines-shift)

FYI....(some of the blog, go to the website for the rest)

Funny I just happened upon this thread, I was reading Lisa Renee's timelines newsletter just last night. I don't understand a lot of it, she is always a bit over my head, but the more I read here more gets through.

I have been fascinated about this timeline concept for some time and attempting to wrap my brain around it is, well, it's a challenge, put it that way.
But I do think all potentialities exist, I do think this concept is valid.

Over the last ten years I have had memories that I am not sure are of this life or not. One memory I had I first thought it was a dream that I thought was a real event in this timeline, but now I think it might me another aspect of myself at a slightly different timeline. So I am having my own personal Mandala effects as of late. So the question of is this a dream, another timeline, or did this happen to me in this timeline but I forgot about it and now it is surfacing?. Still trying to figure that out.

Novusod
2nd August 2016, 23:15
Funny I just happened upon this thread, I was reading Lisa Renee's timelines newsletter just last night. I don't understand a lot of it, she is always a bit over my head, but the more I read here more gets through.

I have been fascinated about this timeline concept for some time and attempting to wrap my brain around it is, well, it's a challenge, put it that way.
But I do think all potentialities exist, I do think this concept is valid.

Over the last ten years I have had memories that I am not sure are of this life or not. One memory I had I first thought it was a dream that I thought was a real event in this timeline, but now I think it might me another aspect of myself at a slightly different timeline. So I am having my own personal Mandala effects as of late. So the question of is this a dream, another timeline, or did this happen to me in this timeline but I forgot about it and now it is surfacing?. Still trying to figure that out.

Personal Mandela effects are very interesting though they are harder to prove. There have been a couple of songs I heard years and years ago that I can't seem to find. It has been driving me crazy and have been looking for them for over a decade. Looking back they could have been erased by the Mandela effect.

One song is called "I am going home" from around the year 2000.
Second song is called "Aeolus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeolus)" which played briefly around 1999.
The Lyics go something along the lines of:
"Aeolus Aeolus
Ee-oo-oh
oh oh oh
Aeolis"

Apparently neither of these songs exist or at least I can't find them or perhaps they are just figments of my imagination.

Or maybe I am just turning into Grandpa Simpson.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZbF06LWFa0

ZShawn
3rd August 2016, 00:35
being open-minded makes progress into new areas of knowledge possible. It tends to become easier to do when one becomes aware of how much there is to know and how little one has actually absorbed in their life....which can shake the confidence in the ideas picked up over the years from others which were typically adamantly defended, usually without doing too much research any further into the issue as it is usually just accepted during the education/domestication process in childhood. The typical human response as children is to just absorb, usually without questioning anything too much (if at all), which isn't accidental, but can be countered as this fellow points out:
FULL - Nonviolent Communication Workshop - Marshall Rosenberg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEqmZ2E1o64

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEqmZ2E1o64

Novusod
4th August 2016, 03:29
Does anyone remember feminist Virginia Wolfe? She fought for women's rights in the UK during the early 20th century. She was also a painter and a writer. Overall a very talented women: a scholar, a poet, a painter, a writer, an intellectual, and a humanist. She was a real renaissance woman proving to be the equal to the best men had to offer. Even people who weren't feminists respected her.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6qbKayFkfk

That spelling?? Are you kidding me. This is a very strong Mandela with lots of residues.

And now another one.

Sing along if you remember: "Take me out to the ball game, take me out to the crowd, buy me some peanuts and cracker jacks, I don't care if I ever come back..."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGl6GpxyqJ4

Aragorn
4th August 2016, 05:23
Does anyone remember feminist Virginia Wolfe? She fought for women's rights in the UK during the early 20th century. She was also a painter and a writer. Overall a very talented women: a scholar, a poet, a painter, a writer, an intellectual, and a humanist. She was a real renaissance woman proving to be the equal to the best men had to offer. Even people who weren't feminists respected her.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6qbKayFkfk

That spelling?? Are you kidding me. This is a very strong Mandela with lots of residues.


I have always known her name to be Virginia Woolf. There's even a movie with Elizabeth Taylor and Richard Burton, called Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who%27s_Afraid_of_Virginia_Woolf%3F_%28film%29), which is how I first heard of the lady.

Misspellings are not uncommon, and they can be quite persistent too, not to mention that when these persistent misspellings and the correct spelling then happen to meet, lots of confusion tends to arise.

161803398
4th August 2016, 08:32
Virginia Woolf wasn't a poet. She wrote novels and essays. Her novels were written in a style of writing called "stream of consciousness" I don't know that she could be described as a scholar either. She was home schooled and self educated for the most part. But she was an intellectual, an innovative thinker and an aristocrat. She believed in the empowerment of women but ultimately rejected the word "feminist". She disliked labels.

161803398
4th August 2016, 08:52
Her sister, Vanessa, was the painter.

Novusod
5th August 2016, 10:05
The Mandela effect is only for those who have eyes to see it. I am not going to try to convince anyone anymore. Just relaying evidence here as it comes available.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7ncUry_jqY

http://i.imgur.com/hGVj9vE.jpg

Ever hear the saying "heart in the right place?" How can the heart be in the "right place" and is there a wrong place. Can the physical heart move around the chest cavity. Maybe the phrase isn't meant to be taken literally OR maybe it is...

The physical heart has moved to be in alignment with the heart Chakra. Even found an old Chakra diagram with the physical heart being offset which you can see in the middle picture. Man's heart wasn't in the right place because we were fallen beings. This defect has been corrected by the esoteric powers and the heart is now where it should be. If you believe the heart Chakra is real, then this change will have a massive impact on the future of the human species. The Atman (physical heart) considered the essential self is aligned with the Anahata (heart Chakra).

The perfect residue of the old reality is the pledge of allegiance. The right hand goes on the left breast where the heart used to be.

http://thumbs.media.smithsonianmag.com//filer/pledgeallegiance-631.jpg__800x600_q85_crop.jpg

Elen
5th August 2016, 11:36
I am not going to try to convince anyone anymore. Just relaying evidence here as it comes available.

Novusod, you have the same right as anybody else to speak your truth and I think you've made a wise decision here. Who knows what will show up for you/us. :tiphat:;)

Novusod
13th August 2016, 17:10
Big shift just occurred and it is in line with the missing "S" predictions. This is huge and unreal.

Daylight Savings Time is now Daylight Saving Time with no "S."

http://i.imgur.com/AQmgca5.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/zeq76dC.jpg

This may not resonate with everyone but look at Google trends. People who spell Savings with the "s" are a huge majority even though that is incorrect. Wowzer!

modwiz
13th August 2016, 17:13
I was able to see the Big Dipper last night being an area that afforded me a lower altitude view of the sky. I had been unable to see it from where I am living. It sure is a beautiful sight.

Novusod
13th August 2016, 18:30
I was able to see the Big Dipper last night being an area that afforded me a lower altitude view of the sky. I had been unable to see it from where I am living. It sure is a beautiful sight.

I have not been able to look for the Big Dipper or Orion because it has been rather overcast.

Cliff High says there is a "NEW" Type of weather phenomena appearing on the Earth which he calls "Rivers from the sky." The mainstream media is calling them rain bombs.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bD2hP7NXa18

Rain bombs? This is a thing now.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/f7/b2/23/f7b22339c04fc39321fdbafa79faf364.jpg

My home was hit with a rain bomb and it was 5 inches in 15 minutes.

Maggie
13th August 2016, 22:17
Tobias Lars in this talk fits here IMO. I really agree with him because he says what I hear in my own innards. The wavelength he shares is about transformation and the veil shredding..... he is a talker fir sure but never boring IMO.

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One thing I know is true is that the predictions made by Edgar Cayce for the timeline of catastrophe were probably accurate for A DIFFERENT timeline.
Edgar Cayce was soo accurate in his medical readings that his complete fail for the earth changes may have been because WE CHANGED our mind. I say that because I cannot help but adhere to US being One with the Universal Mind that sets the patterns.

IMO the fact that I disagree with some "evidence" does not mean I disagree that timelines shift. Thanks for the conviction you have Novusod.

Novusod
14th August 2016, 16:04
Just another day in bizarro world.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkQPOiTA1Do

RealityCreation
15th August 2016, 13:33
This is a thread close to my heart Novosud & it is interesting but not surprising to me to see how the concept of parallel realities is really beginning to gain momentum now. "Time" & energy is becoming more malleable now than ever.

Back in 2006/2007 I spent a lot of time researching Quantum Physics, the Many Worlds Theory, String theory etc in an effort to understanding more about what I was doing with my work as an energetic healing facilitator and that was my first introduction
to understanding parallel realities.

So for me, parallel realities are the norm rather than the exception, I've had many, many experiences personally & I often have parallel realities show up during my sessions with clients & when we access them shift happens almost immediately. They are a part of
my every day life and how I create my reality. So you do not need to convince me, I am already convinced :)

Novusod
15th August 2016, 15:35
Thank you RealityCreation. Same here. I have been aware of personal reality shifts since the mid 1990s but I always kept my mouth shut about it until making this thread. I recently broke through to my 65 year old father with a Jaws Mandela effect. Kind of knocked him out of his slumber since this was his favorite movie.

The line "We're going to need a bigger boat" has now been changed to You're going to need a bigger boat.

Totally flabbergasted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT9BeGNnCqw

This thread is just for tracking the scope of the phenomenon. Awareness of the Mandela effect seems to be growing exponentially.

Google trends shows search traffic has quadrupled in the last month.
http://i.imgur.com/KoqRl90.jpg

The computer I have been using for the last 8 years has changed just this morning. It was originally made by a company called "APTVIA" now it is made by "APEVIA." What the hell.

161803398
15th August 2016, 21:10
I am sure the powers that be would love to change all the news retroactively and have as many people as possible believe they had shifted to an alternative dimension. Maybe they can keep those people for their new world...easy to control....ooops, you must be experiencing a dimensional shift....in this world, the CIA was never involved in regime change, the US never gave support to terrorists, the Russians really are evil and America really is fighting for democracy.

Memory is very important...it shouldn't be trivialized. Many people remember words incorrectly, particularly if they have been whispered or otherwise obfuscated and then said again in a different way or popularized with an image and a misquote. Most people don't do enough research before they put their credibility on the line. But credibility along with a bit of restraint are important assets that should not be lightly tossed aside.

RealityCreation
16th August 2016, 00:29
Have you come across Cynthia Sue Larson Novosud? If not, you may find her work interesting as she has a degree in physics & has been writing about the mandela effect for a number of years & has detailed many of the same examples that you have posted about.


I hadn't heard of her until I just came across her now in this article - The Amazing Rise of the Mandela Effect http://wakeup-world.com/2016/08/13/the-amazing-rise-of-the-mandela-effect/?utm_campaign=Wake+Up+World+e-Newsletter&utm_content=Latest+Headlines+inc.+Eating+Raw+Garli c+Twice+A+Week+Reduces+Cancer+By+44+Percent&utm_medium=email&utm_source=getresponse

Further down in the article she states:


Taken individually – the way such observations of discrepancies between what we remember and recorded historical evidence have always been noted up until now – a single person feeling unsettled by noticing such a change would have been chalked up to their having made some kind of cognitive error. But, when such “mis-remembered” recollections are considered collectively, we are presented with the possibility that we are witnessing collectively agreed-upon awareness of differently remembered historical facts that we can start to take notice of.

Some scoffers have leapt to the conclusion that Mandela Effect experiencers who are noticing long-familiar words in movies, TV shows, books, and products are most likely suddenly sharing ‘false memories’, due to the fact that human memories are not fully reliable. However such an explanation allows us to leave unquestioned some old assumptions that have quietly started to crumble at their very foundations since the advent of quantum physics just over a hundred years ago. While quantum physics shows us there can be no such thing as an objective observer, and now that two thirds of physicists recently surveyed agree that you and I and everything that exists does so in a superposition of states, we clearly need to revise both our scientific methodology and our assumptions about reality.

Superposition: The principle of superposition claims that while we do not know what the state of any object is, it is actually in all possible states simultaneously, as long as we don’t look to check. It is the measurement itself that causes the object to be limited to a single possibility. [source]

While I agree with the observation that human memories often do not match current historical records, it’s clear that stopping the thought process regarding the Mandela Effect at that point is premature, and does not match what we are learning about the primacy of quantum logic in the natural world.

I’ve been researching this phenomena since the 1990s. It was originally called “reality shifts”, and first appeared in print in the book “Future Memory” by PMH Atwater to describe common (yet strange) experiences that near-death experiencers frequently have. I have been reporting on individual recollections of alternate histories involving everything from changes in books, to dead people alive again, to changes in the way motor memory works since 1999, in the earliest edition of my first book on this subject, Reality Shifts: When Consciousness Changes the Physical World, and in my free monthly Realityshifters ezine. I’m currently pursuing this Mandela Effect / reality shift topic in interviews with experts in the fields of quantum biology (such as Johnjoe McFadden), quantum cognition (such as Jerome Busemeyer), and quantum cosmology (such as Yasunori Nomura) on my blog and “Living the Quantum Dream” radio show. What I’m noticing is that this phenomenon appears to not be new, but rather we have reached a point in society where for the first time we are able to share memories with others that are different from the collective whole – and sometimes our memories show the same kind of alternate pasts that physicists such as Stephen Hawking have told us exist.



When we consider the matter of “confabulation” and “false recollections” at this dawning of the new Quantum Age, we see that we may eventually call such things “alternate recollections,” in recognition of awareness of the fact that we know that each and every one of us exists in a superimposed state, with access to many possible alternate histories, presents, and futures. The idea that the many worlds of quantum physics might be one and the same as the multiverse has been proposed by such esteemed physicists as Dr. Yasunori Nomura and Dr. Raphael Bousso of UC Berkeley, and increasing numbers of scientists are feeling optimistic that we might yet find evidence that we indeed live in a multiverse.

Novusod
16th August 2016, 15:29
Here is another "fine" mess you've gotten me into.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nQvKjy3M4A

Thanks for sharing the article RealityCreation.

Edit: fixed broken video

Novusod
19th August 2016, 18:29
This guy has an interesting take on the Mandela Effect. It is similar to what Modwiz said a month ago in his YouTube video analogy about the car's rear view mirror. What is behind you is not the main focus when driving. Keep your eyes forward and be aware of what is happening now in the present moment.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgd335DViTE

Here is the big revelation. Your present is not determined by your past. He uses the example of if he had an injury from 5 years ago and broke his leg. Now ever since then he walks with a limp. Then the Mandela effect occurred and his injury disappeared and he no longer had the limp. What happened in his past does not solidify his present. The past is actually determined by the present.

Innocent Warrior
19th August 2016, 23:33
Rain bombs? This is a thing now.

Good question, I asked the same question about the "inland tsunami" that hit Toowoomba in 2011. I have never heard of an inland tsunami before and it was literally a tsunami of water that came down the mountain range and swept through Toowoomba. I am still, to this day, baffled at how everyone just accepted that. Really? When has anyone heard of an inland tsunami before? And how's this, the Bureau of Metrology (BOM) gave zero warning so it just hit them out of nowhere and killed 23 people. Pretty much the entire state was under water at the time and when the tsunami hit it cut all the trucks off and they were stuck on the other side of the range. So we're all either under water or out of food while the trucks sat there for a week with the food rotting and nobody questions the fact BOM never bothered to give any warning? Apparently they couldn't, they missed it, apparently because they weren't familiar with the catchment areas, and people actually believe that. What's the catchment areas got to do with not seeing the dangers of a wall of water being dumped at the top of the range? Meanwhile some amateur called it and posted his concerns on the Weatherzone forum.


ON January 10, amateur weather buff Neil Pennell did what trained meteorologists did not — predict the devastating and tragic flood event which tore though Toowoomba and the Lockyer Valley claiming 23 lives.

The weather enthusiast was watching the weather develop that day and at 1.10pm Mr Pennell posted his concerns on the Weatherzone online forum.

“Do you think the Bureau of Metrology is on the case with that cell? Those rain rates between Esk, Crows Nest and Toowoomba are truly frightening,” Mr Pennell said.

“I fear that there could be a dangerous flash flood very soon, particularly in Grantham. Am I over-reacting?”

In a submission to the Queensland Floods Commission which sits in Toowoomba today and tomorrow, Mr Pennell said that he still felt considerable guilt for not doing more to warn people on that day.

“I did not make those posts on a whim. I made them because I was very concerned about what I saw on the radar.

“My experience told me that a dangerous situation had arisen.

“This brings me no pleasure. Indeed it draws my attention to my own failure to act in the situation and I have carried considerable guilt that I took my concerns no further than the Weatherzone forum.

“Instead I watched in horror as the event unfolded,” Mr Pennell said.

The Bureau of Meteorology has come under fire with suggestions they did not do enough to warn people about the impeding disaster.

In his submission to the inquiry Mr Pennell said that Bureau of Meteorology did not act simply because it was not familiar with the catchment areas.

“I think that the BOM's failure to identify the severe flash flood at Helidon initially stemmed from the fact they had not identified the initial danger signs on the radar but more due to a lack of insight into the nature of the catchment where the rain was falling.

“However, the fact that someone with my limited formal meteorology/hydrology experience could be made to sound like Nostradamus while the Bureau of Meteorology remained silent about the impending danger in the Lockyer Valley does need to be thoroughly investigated.”

Source. (http://www.thechronicle.com.au/news/amateur-predicted-the-flood/826754/)

So yeah, rain bombs and inland tsunamis are a thing now, apparently. To me it's patently obvious it was an engineered, state-wide disaster but apparently I'm the only one who sees it. I tried telling people but they just looked at me like I was nuts, so since then I've become familiar with fasting, I can go 30 days without food.

Elen
20th August 2016, 07:07
Good question, I asked the same question about the "inland tsunami" that hit Toowoomba in 2011. I have never heard of an inland tsunami before and it was literally a tsunami of water that came down the mountain range and swept through Toowoomba. I am still, to this day, baffled at how everyone just accepted that. Really? When has anyone heard of an inland tsunami before? And how's this, the Bureau of Metrology (BOM) gave zero warning so it just hit them out of nowhere and killed 23 people. Pretty much the entire state was under water at the time and when the tsunami hit it cut all the trucks off and they were stuck on the other side of the range. So we're all either under water or out of food while the trucks sat there for a week with the food rotting and nobody questions the fact BOM never bothered to give any warning? Apparently they couldn't, they missed it, apparently because they weren't familiar with the catchment areas, and people actually believe that. What's the catchment areas got to do with not seeing the dangers of a wall of water being dumped at the top of the range? Meanwhile some amateur called it and posted his concerns on the Weatherzone forum.



Source. (http://www.thechronicle.com.au/news/amateur-predicted-the-flood/826754/)

So yeah, rain bombs and inland tsunamis are a thing now, apparently. To me it's patently obvious it was an engineered, state-wide disaster but apparently I'm the only one who sees it. I tried telling people but they just looked at me like I was nuts, so since then I've become familiar with fasting, I can go 30 days without food.

Great to hear about your first hand observations Innocent Warrior.

Novusod
21st August 2016, 15:03
The Ford logo Mandela effect has produced a residue. Normally hold back on posting Mandela effects in this thread until it can be proven through residue. Without the residue it is difficult to prove it is anything other than remembering.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoKkNHVEnEs

Show this to any mechanic or Ford collector and it will blow their mind.
http://i.imgur.com/jCaMPQH.jpg

Innocent Warrior
21st August 2016, 15:34
We need more details on this one, Novusod. We don't know what model Ford that badge is from, which is necessary to prove it because the logo has had a few revisions. See this page here (http://www.anglia-models.co.uk/history-fordlogo.htm) for a summary on the history of the logo. If that badge is pre 1911 then you would expect it to be different than the ones we see these days. In saying that, it's different from the ones pictured in the history.

For this to be evidence we'd also need a comprehensive history from Ford, to be sure. Were the revisions listed on the link I provided the only revisions? Did the logos vary from country to country at all? These questions would need to be answered to check the accuracy of the history and then we could reach a more reliable and convincing conclusion from there. I'm not sold on this one just yet.

Update - I just watched the video again and noticed the light, it's obviously a lot more recent than 1910 and before, which narrows the question down to whether there have been other revisions and also any variations between countries or not, according to Ford.

modwiz
21st August 2016, 18:04
Fender guitars have changed their logo over the years too. Some shareholder's kid needs a paycheck for re-designing logos.:fpalm:

Novusod
21st August 2016, 20:46
We need more details on this one, Novusod. We don't know what model Ford that badge is from, which is necessary to prove it because the logo has had a few revisions. See this page here (http://www.anglia-models.co.uk/history-fordlogo.htm) for a summary on the history of the logo. If that badge is pre 1911 then you would expect it to be different than the ones we see these days. In saying that, it's different from the ones pictured in the history.

For this to be evidence we'd also need a comprehensive history from Ford, to be sure. Were the revisions listed on the link I provided the only revisions? Did the logos vary from country to country at all? These questions would need to be answered to check the accuracy of the history and then we could reach a more reliable and convincing conclusion from there. I'm not sold on this one just yet.

Update - I just watched the video again and noticed the light, it's obviously a lot more recent than 1910 and before, which narrows the question down to whether there have been other revisions and also any variations between countries or not, according to Ford.

The residue Ford logo seems like it is from an after market trim package rather than an official Ford logo. You can even see in the picture it is just a sticker and not a metal badge. When a Mandela effect occurs it changes "everything" officially associated with it. Sometimes 3rd party materials get left behind and this produces a residue. This can be seen in other residues such as all the "Luke I am your father" parodies and such.

The residue Ford Logo is based on Henry Ford's own signature. Why was the pig's tail added to the "F" in Ford logo? When studying the Mandela effect lack of proof is the Proof. The history (http://www.anglia-models.co.uk/history-fordlogo.htm) of the Ford logo doesn't account for the residue pictured above. The logo seen in the residue never officially existed. The "F" without the pig tail is the one everyone remembers.

Residue + Memory = Mandela effect

EDIT: Henry Ford's signature. No pig's tail in the "F" and matches the Residue logo
http://i.imgur.com/3Y1BQfU.jpg


Fender guitars have changed their logo over the years too. Some shareholder's kid needs a paycheck for re-designing logos.

That is a mundane explanation. Companies do this all the time. But unless the shareholder's kid has a time machine is re-designing logos from 100 years ago then it is certainly not the case with Ford.

Remember I am not trying to convince anyone here. Just presenting the evidence as becomes available.

Innocent Warrior
21st August 2016, 23:31
Remember I am not trying to convince anyone here. Just presenting the evidence as becomes available.

All good, I haven't forgotten, besides, I already know it's real from personal experiences. Not so much with residue like this but I've had experiences of two overlapping, and have evidence from one time but it's only evidence for myself and two others who know the circumstances which prove it (similar sort of situation as the hunter from the book I quoted). When I'm vetting a theory, after I'm satisfied a situation fits it, I then see if it also defies the alternative explanations. Anyway, point is I'm not actually debating, just vetting.

Novusod
23rd August 2016, 09:37
Weird new JFK video emerges that shows grassy knoll shooter. Footage originally taken by Orville Nix. Supposedly it has always existed but I remember ONLY one video of the JFK assassination called the Zapruder film.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQE8Cj_495g

Even if not a Mandela effect it is extremely interesting.
http://i.imgur.com/5iJGobG.jpg

Novusod
1st September 2016, 02:17
Here is a good Mandela Effect:

http://i.imgur.com/8JdUcOt.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/kFms6P0.jpg (Alternate Large poster)

Terminator 2: Judgment Day
JUDGMENT DAY
What the heck is a Judgment? Where did these people learn how to spell?

Meta Theory: Maybe the universe is telling us Judgement Day has been canceled.

modwiz
1st September 2016, 02:18
Here is a good Mandela Effect:

http://i.imgur.com/8JdUcOt.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/kFms6P0.jpg (Alternate Large poster)

Terminator 2: Judgment Day
JUDGMENT DAY
What the heck is a Judgment? Where did these people learn how to spell?

Meta Theory: Maybe the universe is telling us Judgement Day has been canceled.

Common Core schooling

Novusod
1st September 2016, 04:38
Common Core schooling

I think we are in the middle of a shift where Judgement is being given a new spelling Judgment. http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=judgment

I did a bible hub search for the Word "Judgement." OK it comes up in the search results but as soon as I click the link it says "Judgment." This is mind blowing.

Screenshot of the search:
http://i.imgur.com/KTpYpbr.jpg
What is shown in the actual link shows Judgment across all 5 versions.
http://i.imgur.com/kwdXnnP.jpg
I checked my physical printed bibles are also changed. (KJV and New KJV)

So how do you spell it Modwiz? Judgement or Judgment?

Innocent Warrior
1st September 2016, 06:11
How curious, it doesn't even look right. Pic from mine (NIV) -

Update: mine is printed in the USA so I checked a PDF of the authorised king James version from 1611 and its spelling is also judgment. Weird.

Innocent Warrior
1st September 2016, 06:45
The judgement card from my oracle deck and the booklet that came with it, one correct the other not -

modwiz
1st September 2016, 07:10
I think we are in the middle of a shift where Judgement is being given a new spelling Judgment. http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=judgment

I did a bible hub search for the Word "Judgement." OK it comes up in the search results but as soon as I click the link it says "Judgment." This is mind blowing.

Screenshot of the search:
http://i.imgur.com/KTpYpbr.jpg
What is shown in the actual link shows Judgment across all 5 versions.
http://i.imgur.com/kwdXnnP.jpg
I checked my physical printed bibles are also changed. (KJV and New KJV)

So how do you spell it Modwiz? Judgement or Judgment?

Judgement. Although it seems spell check accepts either one. Although I do sometimes add extra letters that feel right to me. Spell check will catch it. I find the Mandela Effect to be very experiential and remembering things differently seems to be part of the sorting process. I can agree with either one. It's not like it will be confused with another word.

Here it seems that correct way is judgment. http://blog.dictionary.com/judgement-vs-judgment/

Innocent Warrior
1st September 2016, 07:21
Debunked by the wizard!

Aragorn
1st September 2016, 11:18
Debunked by the wizard!

You all beat me to it, because I was going to say the same thing. :)

I have already known about this since the 1990s. I happen to own both the "For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/For_Unlawful_Carnal_Knowledge)" album by Van Halen (with Sammy Hagar on vocals) — they wanted to make an album titled after the F-word, but they had to do it this way to make it acceptable for the record company — and the "Slip Of The Tongue (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slip_of_the_Tongue)" album by Whitesnake (with Steve Vai on lead guitar at the time), and they both feature a song with the title "Judg(e)ment Day"; they are distinct songs, not cover versions. (Both albums are vinyl copies, by the way, because I didn't own a CD player yet at that point in time.)

Now, Van Halen is a US American band — this notwithstanding the fact that the two brothers Alex and Edward Van Halen are actually Dutch and had moved to the USA with their parents when they were still very young — and the song on Van Halen's album is spelled as "Judgement Day". Whitesnake on the other hand is (chiefly) a British band — their two guitarists at the time, Steve Vai and Adrian Vandenberg, are US American and Dutch, respectively — and the song on their album is spelled "Judgment Day". This confused me with regard to the correct spelling of the word, so I had to look it up, and as Radagast says, they are both correct.

Strangely enough, my spell checker here in Firefox is set to UK English even though I actually (mostly) use US American spelling, and it does not accept the "judgment" spelling. The person who uploaded the songs to YouTube spelled the title of the Whitesnake song as "Judgement Day", which is not how it appears on the album's cover.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-eR35VoDOg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jA0iCUuGzco

Elen
1st September 2016, 11:59
My Norwegian dictionary from 1933 says Judgment. Chambers 20th Century Dictionary New Edition from 1972 says Judgment. The Macquarie Dictionary (Australian) from 1981 says Judgment and has also Judgement as an alternative.

Either way it seems OK.

Innocent Warrior
29th September 2016, 00:55
Novusod, you are going to LOVE this -


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oe65g0K8ePc

Links to the quizzes in the video description.

Aianawa
29th September 2016, 06:42
Xlent indeed, thanks for sharing this.

Gio
9th October 2016, 08:35
will share this here ...




a brand new interview ...

Sophia, Lucifer and the Mandela Effect

Lisa M. Harrison with John Lamb Lash

"John Lamb Lash, Gaian shaman and leading proponent of the Gnostic message in our time addresses the phenomenon widely known as the Mandela Effect from the telestic perspective.

With at least 100's of 1000's of people around the world experiencing alterations to our reality, many and varied hypotheses have been put forward as to it's origins and ultimate effect. One theory that has not been explored in depth is that the planet it/herself is responsible.

John also covered the identity of Lucifer, Satan and even Baphomet as the background narrative to understanding Sophia's Correction and the Mandela Effect."

Published on Oct 9, 2016


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7EXMHRHsoY

Novusod
11th October 2016, 04:25
A new Mandela effect that has emerged recently is a change in the famous statue called "The Thinker." The statue by Auguste Rodin used to show a man in deep contemplation resting his FOREHEAD on his fist. Now the statue is resting his CHIN on his fist!

Notable residue evidence: http://wholesalesculptures.com/thinker-small-by-auguste-rodin/ "This is a fine copy of the thinking man in his famed hunched pose with his fist on his forehead."

Famous football player Tim Tebow doing his signature thinker pose:
http://tusb.stanford.edu/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Tebow-and-The-Thinker_final71-e1326587193144.jpg

A woman poses in front of the statue with fist on her forehead but the statue has hand on the chin.

http://i.imgur.com/piPRXh8.jpg

http://reviewing.co.uk/articles/how-movement-can-help-thinking-and-learning.htm "Rodin's thinker sits with his head bowed, forehead resting on his clenched fist."

A quote from a poem "The Thinker"
https://allpoetry.com/poem/1510846-The-Thinker-by-billego
"I'd be depicted by my forehead, rested on my palm, scratching at the signs of an age weary hairline"

Maggie
13th October 2016, 21:30
As far as the Thinker sculpture above I recalled it as chin on hand and I am posting today because I had a really weird experience of my own reality shift.

I take care of some cats who are kept in an old house. It was fixed up for them when my client developed Parkinsons. She had to move two hours away to be close to her doctors. Two things happened yesterday there.

Part of the roof in one room started leaking and some of the ceiling fell. My concern was not just that the floor and all are affected but that an animal like a raccoon might get in?

Yesterday, I was met by the client's son to see the issue. I had mention my concerns about the leak. We walked through the room. I did not notice anything unusual....then he said "what's that!" On the window seat, curled on a kitty bed was a possum. I did not see it before he noticed it..... It was quite still. This was a weird manifestation of my thoughts.

I covered the smallish possum (was playing dead) with a towel and carried it out on the bed.....

THE weird thing yesterday was going in to the house bathroom where for the first time I saw a medicine cabinet in the alcove that used to be a closet. In the 1 and 1/2 year I've taken care of the cats, I never noticed the MIRRORED cabinet.

Anyone else having uptick in to(o)to(o) oddities?

Margueritebee
19th February 2017, 04:38
I definitely remember that it was Abraham Lincoln that chopped down a cherry tree and confessed because he could not tell a lie. I was taught that in school. Now folks are saying it was George Washington.

Novusod
18th March 2017, 10:15
Something huge just happened. Three days of time just disappeared. I am not sure if this is a Mandela effect or something else.

Taken on March 18th the daylight is already longer than the night time. This is not supposed to occur until after the equinox. On March 20th daylight should be 12 hours long and 12 hours of night time. Before March 20th nights are supposed to be longer than the day. But right now we are getting 12 hours and 2 minutes of daylight.

https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/uk/greenwich-city
http://i.imgur.com/euzBYws.jpg

If you calculate the date based on the sun's position in the sky today is actually March 21nd. Today is not the 18th. Time has gone missing.

Aianawa
18th March 2017, 10:54
That is exciting to comprehend, did we actually gain or lose time, did we slow down or speed up, did the future just change and that's my feeling, or did a release of past karma/energy etc create this ?, exciting indeed.

Novusod
18th March 2017, 11:23
That is exciting to comprehend, did we actually gais or lose time, did we slow down or speed up, did the future just change and that's my feeling, or did a release of past karma/energy etc create this ?, exciting indeed.

Just a few days ago the Weather Channel deleted their sunrise and sunset info from their forecasts so I had to look it up someplace else. What I saw shocked me. They are covering something up. Something huge. The day is not supposed to be over 12 hours long before the vernal equinox. Check your local sunrise and sunset times. It doesn't add up to the right amount of daylight.

It could be considered three days of darkness or a miracle in the heavens. It is a fulfillment of prophesy. This could be the biggest event in human history. Meanwhile elites are distracting us with theater.

Aianawa
18th March 2017, 11:27
Very interesting, we been in the biggest event imo since 2010 and definitely since 2012 dec, this may indeed very nice iceing

Margueritebee
18th March 2017, 12:14
I was thinking about it yesterday. On my weather page it was 12/12.

From the Old Farmer's Almanac:

What is an Equinox?

At the Vernal Equinox, the Sun crosses the celestial equator on its way north along the ecliptic.

All over the world, days and nights are approximately equal. The name equinox comes from Latin words which mean “equal night”—aequus (equal) and nox (night).

Question: Are Day and Night Truly Equal on the Equinox?

Answer: Nope, day and night are not exactly equal at the equinox for two reasons. First, daytime begins the moment any part of the Sun is over the horizon, and it is not over until the last part of the Sun has set. If the Sun were to shrink to a starlike point and we lived in a world without air, the spring and fall equinoxes would truly have ‘equal nights.’

Jengelen
18th March 2017, 13:16
Parallel worlds came to mind for me yesterday when I opened a thread for the first time, a new one even that was minutes old and hadn't even read it yet to my knowledge and yet when I opened the page I had already clicked that I liked it!! I didn't even recall ever having seen it so I started checking all my accounts to see if any hacking or suspicious activity could be found and nothing! I can't explain it. I keep thinking maybe I accidentally somehow clicked the like as I was unconsciously scrolling down the page you you know, but how that got there when I haven't even fully read the post yet is beyond me.

Elen
18th March 2017, 15:24
Great observation Novusod. I checked my BBC weather map, and indeed we have an Equinox today, the 18th March. I would never have noticed that! Shows you that official dates aren't necessarily accurate to the point.

Novusod
23rd March 2017, 22:03
Oversized chicken from another universe:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNNIBpjMo7Q

Dreamtimer
23rd March 2017, 23:37
That's a huge chicken. I had to look it up, it's a Brahma and larger than average.

If I get chickens I'll get Rhode Island Reds.

Novusod
1st April 2017, 21:47
The lost SHAZAAM movie.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD0rchvuoMU

What day is today again?

Aianawa
29th June 2022, 02:23
The Mandela effect is named after Nelson Mandela who died in 2013 at the age of 95. However, millions of people all across the world have a false memory of him dying 30 years ago in prison. It seems a bit sketchy as a proof of parallel universes but it goes deeper.

Maybe it is called the Mandala effect and not Mandela effect. There is something wrong with our collective memories. Millions of people are noticing glitches in the matrix.

Christians who have memorized their scriptures know that the bible has been changed.

http://i.imgur.com/9UuGlSX.jpg
(large picture of bibles) Proofs

In Luke Chapter 17 verse 31 it currently says in the King James Version of the bible: (Pictured on the lower left)
Luke 17:31 - In that day he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down and take it away. And he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.

"STUFF in the house." What the hell. "Stuff" isn't a biblical word, it is 20th century slang to mean people's things.

(Pictured on the Upper left is an pocket reference mini-bible which has the original real quote of Luke 17:31)
Luke 17:31 - In that day he which shall be upon the housetop, and his goods in the house, let him not come down and take it away. And he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.

Here it says "goods in the house" as it should say but the other main bible I have been reading for 30 has been changed in some type of miracle. It is not just Luke 17:31 but Matthew 9:17 as well.


In Matthew Chapter 9 verse 17 it currently says in the King James Version of the bible: (Pictured on the lower Right)
Matthew 9:17 - Neither do men put new wine into old bottles; else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish; but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.


It is NOT supposed to say "bottles break." Bottles won't break if you new wine in them. That doesn't make sense. It is supposed to say wineskins NOT bottles. The correct quote can be seen in the pocket bible where is still says wineskins.

Matthew 9:17 - Neither do men put new wine into old wineskins; else the wineskins break, and the wine runneth out, and the wineskins perish; but they put new wine into new wineskins, and both are preserved.

The bible scripture has BEEN changed somehow. The miracle extends even beyond the bible. Gene Wilder the original Willy Wonka came back to life. HE DIED. I remember it but Wikipedia says he is still alive.

Mohammad Ali died a few days ago but many remember him dying years ago.

Then there is popular media:

- Loony Toons has changed to Loony Tunes.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/07/fd/0a/07fd0a67bff2355c976afbccd774b7a3.jpg
- Gordons' Fishman became Gorton's Fishman.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/33/66/03/3366037fca9e433177266d5fa286040e.jpg
- Interview with A Vampire is now called Interview with THE Vampire.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/d1/34/52/d1345223ab2d82a0ba6b7e826fedcba6.jpg
- Berenstein Bears becoming Berenstain Bears
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/aa/69/65/aa69653f358b2990b9ac42c2dc64c877.jpg

Movie Quotes have changed as well:
- Forest Gump's famous line now says: "Life was like a box of chocolates." instead of "Life is like a box of chocolates."
- In Snow White the Evil Queen says the mirror: "Magic Mirror on the wall" instead of "Mirror, mirror on the wall."
- In Field of Dreams the voice now says: "Build it and HE with come." instead of the usual "Build it and they will come."
- In Star Wars Empire Strikes Back Darth Vader no longer says "Luke, I am your father."

There are even videos of James Earl Jones saying the old line "Luke, I am your father."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkhsYqGQyi8

How the movie appears now even on old VHS:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bv20ZoBcdO8


Geography has also changed according to some people:
- South America has shifted to the East
- Australia has shifted
- The Pyramids have moved (Khafre and Khufu's pyramids have switched places)
This is not the Great Pyramid anymore.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/88/fc/be/88fcbebb76b8a061f6f4a3a69e44f3da.jpg
The one on the right is the Great Pyramid now.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/d3/34/90/d3349099e4a057057cd394ec7b3e5cba.jpg

Some type of parallel reality is emerging right now. This is not crazy. This is really happening. Trust only in your mind and in your higher guidance. Some people may remember this differently but that doesn't mean it is not happening. Millions of people are having the same false memories. That in of itself is something extraordinary.

What do you guys think? There are some powerful old souls on this forum who might know a thing or two. I encountered similar time warps in the 90s but this is a lot bigger and more people are noticing it. I suspect this is only the tip of the iceberg here. The more people that see this the better.

So much Mandala talk of late, always enjoyed this our members shares.