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The One
22nd May 2016, 18:26
Dr. Steven Greer appeared on the Carol Rosin Show on May 13, 2016 to discuss new critical and urgent information regarding the Disclosure Movement. There has been a grand escalation from the DIS-information camps in the public sector and media. According to Dr. Steven Greer, a horrific hoax is being played on all of us.

Disinformation has been purposefully spread around the USA and world, including by some in the Ufology community.

Dr. Greer and Carol Rosin talk about the biggest lie ever and they want you to know about it.

He also discusses some good news about new developments, things we can do, and his call for more whistleblowers, and for people who have free energy devices. Furthermore, he announces a forthcoming important New Movie, Book, Treaty, Disclosure Peace Concert Celebration and much more.

Below some highlights taken from the interview:

The UFO hype, started in 1950′s, is created to camouflage the secret military craft that look like UFOs.

The military is involved in abduction and animal mutilation. Special abduction and animal mutilation squads doing the abductions by using high tech classified systems. The (dis)- information that aliens are involved in abductions and mutilations is a hoax.

Senators involved in the secret false flag alien project are trying to convince other Senators about the need to create a false flag event in order to control the masses.

The first movie ‘Independence Day’ released in 1996 is a script to see how the people react on the alien threat.

The purpose of the second movie ‘Independence Day: Resurgence’, released in 2015, is to recruit people for the army with regarding to the (fake) alien threat.

Blink-182 Co-Founder Tom DeLonge has been recruited by insiders from the Pentagon in order to spread disinformation about UFOs and Aliens to the younger people. The goal: They want the younger generation believes there’s an alien threat from outer space.


Finally, there is cosmic false flag operation going on, which will return into an interplanetary war.:whstl:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2gStUeYh7c

bsbray
22nd May 2016, 19:51
Divine Feminine was talking about Tom DeLonge in a similar tone back on the thread for the C2C episode where he was interviewed. One thing I agree with Greer about is that being fearful isn't helpful to anyone but those who want to control us. That is such a key thing for me that I have a habit of looking sideways at anybody who's peddling fear. It really is about the most unhelpful thing people can feel. We can face hard times and still push forward with optimism and confidence, and that's always going to be the more empowering route.

donk
24th May 2016, 11:52
Bill Pullman/Will Smith 2016!!! Most presidential celebs ever!!

Nice message bsbray

DNA
27th May 2016, 02:19
Bill Ryan doesn't always make his thoughts known, but from what he and Kerry Cassidy are saying, Greer is a disinfo agent.
Being as Greer's message is all unicorns, puppydogs and rainbows, I pretty much have to agree with them.

Cearna
27th May 2016, 03:16
From what I have seen on the net, he seems to always be asking for money, either as I am broke and need lots of help to carry on, or some scheme like this one now.

Joanna
27th May 2016, 14:09
Promotions for this course (http://awakeninguniversity.net/awakening-university-rvcap-video2/) have landed in my inbox at least a dozen times in the last fortnight from a couple of forums; it's a 16 hour online course from Dr Greer on how to become 'An Ambassador to the Universe and communicate with Advanced Interstellar Civilizations...From Your Living Room' using the 'super powers' of the ancient Vedic Siddhis.

The promo video starts off with listing 8 Siddhis before stating it's going to teach one; the Mahima Siddhi aka 'remote viewing'. The first Siddhi listed is the Vashita Siddhi, which is the psychic power of controlling the minds of others or bringing another under your control....and the vid goes on to state this:

"The Siddhi offer a kind of mental influence over those around you."

I would like Dr Greer not to be compromised, but this stuff is not exactly reassuring.
If it wasn't for the (discount) price tag of $88, I'd watch it to see exactly what he's teaching, because he's potentially influencing a lot of people.

Dreamtimer
27th May 2016, 14:15
I guess you have to push the idea of all ETs being good if you're also gonna spin mind control in a positive way. That's the kind of stuff that has me walking in the other direction.

Joanna, seems like you already know what they want to 'teach' you.

Good point, bsbray. I always have to take a step back when something scares me because that fear interferes with clear thinking.

Joanna
27th May 2016, 14:35
I guess you have to push the idea of all ETs being good if you're also gonna spin mind control in a positive way. That's the kind of stuff that has me walking in the other direction.

Same here, Dreamtimer. Uuurgh.

Divine Feminine
27th May 2016, 18:02
Bill Ryan doesn't always make his thoughts known, but from what he and Kerry Cassidy are saying, Greer is a disinfo agent.
Being as Greer's message is all unicorns, puppydogs and rainbows, I pretty much have to agree with them.

No offense, but be cautious about considering Bill's word as gospel, his track record is anything but stellar after all the phony baloney he's promoted. Most of PA members are blind to things which have taken place right before their very eyes. I'm not condoning Greer either. The entire alternative community is littered with disinfo and everybody pointing fingers has their own credibility issues from what I can see.

Jengelen
29th May 2016, 16:27
Even a cursory view of Bill's old posts reveals he is no one to really pay attention about anyone unless you were just wanting to bat averages about someone else. What I mean is he seems more consistently off rather than on so like a critic for a movie they hate that then becomes huge at the box office when they didn't like it, well, it don't mean much in the end. I've seen Greer in person and there is an entity behind him slightly taller and you can at times make out the slight border of this thing. It looks like an attachment and in my opinion also, he stands differently than he did before I noticed this. His back is more arched now and his chest almost out. So I am cautious too of this guy but he is in contact with something real.

There are others that are in contact with something real. In each case I did readings and my Runes tell me they are all technology based. I think they each have some two way contact device implanted in them making it such that when they call out or call out with a specific motion then something appears in the sky. I think its a tie like implant involving some sort of teleport thing going on where they can pop in like right behind you when you call them but just out of phase for our vision to detect unless conditions allow glimpses in certain light. Once there they then observe almost through our eyes and ears and senses. Like a piggy back ride for the experience to watch us if not communicate. I think they are on Greer like this and Hill, and Delonges and maybe even Robbert that Dutch guy thats reported to be teleporting and being photographed in Spain recently. These are all real contacts with something but again I think its one of those things not what it appears. They have help via tech stuff and gadgets like Star Trek stuff.

I find it interesting that the apparent MO now of the powers behind this technology manipulating man with it, by such things as appearing like a cross in the sky, always in third world countries. They don't try that among the more discerning because they don't have that special way of revering them. I think they are in the process of making gurus of several cultures they communicate with via two way radio only they are implanted. This Dutch guy for example is getting accurate pictures of crop circles and drawing them before they appear and in other places away from him at times as I understand it. So either he is making them himself, and they have proof he didn't go anywhere when it was done or he has others doing it and its BS or there is a real contact happening.

My inclination is the latter because in my belief they feed off us and have a history of doing this repeatedly. John Smith is another example. Applewhite and Heavens Gate and Jim Jones. These guys likely had real contact with the same thing and in each case the contacts never panned out. In fact looking back it appears they set up some for disappointment and death and some for new religions but the only reason is it generating emotions to feed them. They like being revered just like in the bible. I say screw em! :-) See through it. I don't buy it as anything other than whoever has the tech we see flying about up to no good again. Just like the Corey stuff and all the other ancient alien specialists anymore going mainstream now, its just created a new form of its own cult or religion.

DNA
29th May 2016, 19:57
No offense, but be cautious about considering Bill's word as gospel, his track record is anything but stellar after all the phony baloney he's promoted. Most of PA members are blind to things which have taken place right before their very eyes. I'm not condoning Greer either. The entire alternative community is littered with disinfo and everybody pointing fingers has their own credibility issues from what I can see.

Look I'm not going to do the whole defense team thing. I know some feelings have been hurt here and there. And sure Bill has been wrong here and there, but there is no way to declare an opinion one way or another in relation to this topic without being wrong occasionally, just as you are saying the entire alternative community is rather undependable for information. But, if you search through PA for Bill's posts on Greer, he has had interaction with folks most of the rest of us have not, and in so doing has witnessed and reported some damning stuff.
Like Greer having stolen money from his group and those folks now not wanting anything to do with him.

The below was something Bill had pointed to, an article done by Alfred Weber.
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Copied verbatim from http://exopolitics.blogs.com/exopoli...ufoet-and.html

•Dr. Greer reportedly improperly “skimmed” project funds for personal real estate.
• Core insiders including Dr. Jan Bravo (portrayed as a supporter in Sirius) abandoned Dr. Greer prior to premiere. Some “in fear for their lives”.
• “Dead Man’s Trigger” touted by Dr. Greer at outset of documentary is 33 page document (PDF below) containing apparent fabricated accusations.

By Alfred Lambremont Webre




As a result of a 3-month investigation including core supporters of film, UFO/ET, and New Energy projects led by Dr. Steven Greer, [Sirius documentary, Disclosure Project, Orion Project] Exopolitics.com is reporting preliminary evidence of apparent project financial improprieties by Dr. Steven Greer that led to the departure of his long-time core team, including Dr. Jan Bravo, portrayed in Sirius as a supporter of Dr. Greer, when in fact she had reportedly disaffiliated with Dr. Greer prior to the premiere of the documentary Sirius.


Dr. Jan Bravo, MD

One Exopolitics.com confidential source in direct contact with former Greer core team members stated,

“[Steven Greer’s] core team has left. Besides the drugs..., he's [Greer’s] been taking the money meant for disclosure and free energy and using it to buy personal real estate, drugs.... His [Greer’s] core team is really hurting, feel like they've left a cult. He's [Greer’s] turned on some of them maliciously and they are fearful of what he might do to them. They described also how they had many researchers come forth with viable technologies that Steven turned away because he wanted to use the $$ for other things - which turned out to be the aforementioned. Really sad all around.”
Referring to Drs. Jan Bravo and other core team members, the Exopolitics.com confidential source stated,

“Imagine how miserable it's been for them [Drs. Jan Bravo] having to finally pull the plug on supporting the whole UFO/ET movement because Greer essentially hijacked the whole thing out of a perverted sense of pathological self-interest. Specifically, Jan has sacrificed her entire career and livelihood to move the entire UFO/ET movement forward as far as it has gone.”

Greer core team threatened and “afraid for their lives” after disaffiliating

The confidential Exopolitics.com source stated that some core team members who had disaffiliated with Dr. Greer were afraid for their lives. At one point, the source stated,

“The people who have left Greer's team are afraid for their lives. One of them had his brakes cut, etc.”
The confidential Exopolitics.com source also stated that former Greer associate Dr. Jan Bravo had been threatened following her disaffiliation with Dr. Greer.


“Jan Bravo said that she came home today to find on her front foyer some streaks of blood...and it didn't come from the dog. She considered it a warning and no more.”




“Jan doesn't want to alter her life. She interprets it as defeat if she has to change her way of life.”



When reached directly by Exopolitics.com for comment Dr. Jan Bravo and two other core team members did not reply. Through the intermediary confidential Exopolitics.com source with whom Exopolitics.com had been dialoguing with Dr. Jan Bravo, Dr. Bravo stated,

“Jan [Dr. Jan Bravo] reiterated not to take action, especially by going public with anything shared to date…. unless it's Woolsey [former CIA Director James Woolsey] getting directly involved.... Greer [Dr. Steven Greer] has been throwing Woolsey's name around ever since Jim made the mistake of allowing Greer to join him and three other people for dinner, and Greer has blamed Woolsey for all sorts of stuff like blocking inventors from going forward with their technologies...complete B.S.”




Sirius film crew reportedly acknowledges Greer skimming project funds

The confidential Exopolitics.com source reported,






"Interesting meeting with the Sirius film production crew yesterday. They already knew he was skimming funds off the top from the Sirius pot of money."





Sirius documentary: Fabrications in Greer’s “Dead Man’s Trigger”

At the outset of the Sirius documentary, Dr. Greer greatly touts his “Dead Man’s Trigger”, a document he has created setting out individuals who might be responsible for his demise in the event that he was assassinated or threatened.

A copy of Dr. Greer’s “Dead Man’s Trigger”, a 33 page PDF document, obtained by Exopolitics.com in the course of this news investigation can be downloaded at the link below.

As featured in documentary film "Sirius", "Dead Man's Trigger" by Dr. Steven Greer



To download "Dead Man's Trigger" by Dr. Steven Greer (33 pages PDF), please click below:

http://exopolitics.blogs.com/files/steve.greer.dead.mans.trigger.pdf



ARTICLE URL:

http://exopolitics.blogs.com/exopoli...ven-greer.html

The bulk of the “Dead Man’s Trigger” may have a familiar ring to those who are versed in Dr. Greer’s writings and speeches and simply repeats the assertions that are made in the Sirius documentary, in Dr. Greer’s speeches and books obtainable at the Disclosure Project website.

One specific fabrication of note in the Greer “Dead Man’s Trigger” is, however, that the individuals Todd Hathaway and Pete Sumaruck would be putatively responsible for any demise of Dr. Greer.

Exopolitics.com has been informed that Todd Hathaway is in fact one of the individuals who has been comforting Dr. Jan Bravo after her disaffiliation from Dr. Greer. According to a confidential source, “If the day comes where all this comes out, the inventor who stood up to Greer is Pete Sumaruck.”

Therefore, it would appear that Dr. Greer’s “Dead Man’s Trigger” is actually structured around a false and misleading premise. In fact, the two individuals cited by Dr. Greer as being a putative “cause” of any demise of Dr. Greer are in fact (a) an individual who is giving comfort to Dr. Jan Bravo, a former Greer affiliate who reports having been threatened; and (b) a New Energy inventor who “stood up to Dr. Greer”.


Steven Greer, UFO/ET Disclosure & the Transhumanist Agenda

As stated in a recent Exopolitics.com article that focused on Dr. Steven Greer and two other specific opinion leaders in the UFO/ET movement, “The brain-mind entrainment data presented in this article, while preliminary in nature, raises prima facie questions about the future of the Exopolitical movement. If it is factually true that such opinion leaders in the UFO/ET "Disclosure" movement are brain-mind entrained due to manipulatory extraterrestrial or military-intelligence advance nanotechnology and hence acting out their controller's agendas, then this fact needs to be publicly exposed and discussed.” [1]

The preliminary evidence gathered in this Exopolitics.com article from direct eyewitnesses witnesses to financial improprieties by Dr. Steven Greer ranging from long time core supporters to the Sirius documentary film crew and some of whom are in fear for their lives gives rise to a prima facie presumption that they are being truthful.

One of the conclusions of the Exopolitics.com study on the Transhumanist Agenda in the UFO/ET movement stated, “The anomalous eye and body movements of Messrs. Bassett, Huneeus, and Greer may be the result of remote advanced nano-mind control technology applied by military-intelligence agencies. Under this alternative, the brains, neurological systems, and personalities of Bassett, Huneeus and Greer are entrained by military-intelligence nano-mind control technologies to act out agendas of these agencies that in turn may be cybernetically directed by predatory dimensional extraterrestrials.” [2]

If in fact as the forensic evidence suggests, Dr. Greer is under brain entrainment and cybernetic control, and hence acting out an agenda of military intelligence agencies and/or predatory dimensional extraterrestrials, then this development may represent a public peril of the first order. It is difficult to speculate whether this brain-mind entrainment may have led to the reported financial irregularities by Dr. Greer. It seems clear, from the threats that former Greer former team members are subjected to, that some sinister force is attempting to ensure that these witnesses do not speak out.

Dr. Greer, the Sirius documentary and the Disclosure Project have a wide public profile. Such an opinion leadership makes Dr. Greer an ideal candidate for promoting “pseudo-disclosure”, or a continuation of demands for “official disclosure” that ensure that whistleblowers from actual, longstanding U.S-Extraterrestrial liaison and visitation programs are sidelined.








[1] UFO/ET Citizen Hearing witnesses Bassett, Huneeus and Greer’s anomalous eye movements may indicate brain-mind entrainment by manipulatory extraterrestrials or advanced military-intelligence nanotechnology as part of a global control agenda

By Alfred Lambremont Webre

http://exopolitics.blogs.com/exopoli...ment-by-p.html

DNA
29th May 2016, 20:09
. I've seen Greer in person and there is an entity behind him slightly taller and you can at times make out the slight border of this thing. It looks like an attachment and in my opinion also, he stands differently than he did before I noticed this. His back is more arched now and his chest almost out. So I am cautious too of this guy but he is in contact with something real.
I've heard other people mention something to this effect as well.
Also, not a few people have stated that Greer has recently been a practicing homosexual. Greer has divorced his long time wife.
Does this have anything to do with the entity you mention?
I do not know, but a if the entity is recent, couldn't it possibly account for a change in sexual preference?


. There are others that are in contact with something real. In each case I did readings and my Runes tell me they are all technology based. I think they each have some two way contact device implanted in them making it such that when they call out or call out with a specific motion then something appears in the sky. I think its a tie like implant involving some sort of teleport thing going on where they can pop in like right behind you when you call them but just out of phase for our vision to detect unless conditions allow glimpses in certain light. Once there they then observe almost through our eyes and ears and senses. Like a piggy back ride for the experience to watch us if not communicate. I think they are on Greer like this and Hill, and Delonges and maybe even Robbert that Dutch guy thats reported to be teleporting and being photographed in Spain recently. These are all real contacts with something but again I think its one of those things not what it appears. They have help via tech stuff and gadgets like Star Trek stuff.

I find it interesting that the apparent MO now of the powers behind this technology manipulating man with it, by such things as appearing like a cross in the sky, always in third world countries. They don't try that among the more discerning because they don't have that special way of revering them. I think they are in the process of making gurus of several cultures they communicate with via two way radio only they are implanted. This Dutch guy for example is getting accurate pictures of crop circles and drawing them before they appear and in other places away from him at times as I understand it. So either he is making them himself, and they have proof he didn't go anywhere when it was done or he has others doing it and its BS or there is a real contact happening.

My inclination is the latter because in my belief they feed off us and have a history of doing this repeatedly. John Smith is another example. Applewhite and Heavens Gate and Jim Jones. These guys likely had real contact with the same thing and in each case the contacts never panned out. In fact looking back it appears they set up some for disappointment and death and some for new religions but the only reason is it generating emotions to feed them. They like being revered just like in the bible. I say screw em! :-) See through it. I don't buy it as anything other than whoever has the tech we see flying about up to no good again. Just like the Corey stuff and all the other ancient alien specialists anymore going mainstream now, its just created a new form of its own cult or religion.

I agree 100% with the they feed off of us statement. I've always through John Smith was a contactee, his story is something that correlates with Billy Meier quite a bit.
I've heard Applewhite's neighbors stated they saw UFO's over his house quite a bit. Applewhite was also reported to have had quite a few psychic abilities such as being able to cause winds and certain telekenitic traits. This coming from Barbara Bartholic a legendary UFO researcher who helped Karla Turner find her way. Barbara Bartholic reported what she had seen, but did not state anything positive was going on in this manner.

I too am of the opinion that UFO/Aliens are absolutely acting in accordance with their own best interest. That may have nothing good to do what so ever for human beings.

Divine Feminine
29th May 2016, 21:09
Look I'm not going to do the whole defense team thing. I know some feelings have been hurt here and there. And sure Bill has been wrong here and there, but there is no way to declare an opinion one way or another in relation to this topic without being wrong occasionally, just as you are saying the entire alternative community is rather undependable for information. But, if you search through PA for Bill's posts on Greer, he has had interaction with folks most of the rest of us have not, and in so doing has witnessed and reported some damning stuff.
Like Greer having stolen money from his group and those folks now not wanting anything to do with him.

The below was something Bill had pointed to, an article done by Alfred Weber. I think Weber is a pretty stand up guy.

Uh it goes beyond hurt feelings, it's a ruse! You can sweep Bill's irresponsible behavior under the rug all you want, but his 'here and there' inaccuracies have ruined his credibility. I see him as part of the problem so how can you trust anything he says?

And really Alfred Webre is a stand up guy? lmao..no, more like LMFAO. Have you vetted him? Have you vetted any of the people involved? You're giving me the impression you like to play the 'Simon Says Game', do you follow him too? And because Bill 'says so' makes him credible because 'he has had interaction with folks the most of the rest of us have not'. I'm very familiar with the link you're discussing, I was there on PA at the time. If you go back to that thread, Bill also made a comment that Alfred's document was likely a 'hit piece' I believe were his words. Did you see that? And didn't Jan Bravo come out and say she never spoke with Webre and to please stop using her name? Ya here it is:

"Mr. Webre,

I have never spoken to you, and I have not communicated to you through 2 independent intermediaries, as stated below.
I am respectfully asking you to stop using my name and making up lies about me.
If you continue to do so either in print or verbally on radio, etc., I will respond with the truth on the Internet - that statements like the one below about me are lies - because they are.
I gave you no information and authorized no information to go to you. Todd said you promised not to release stuff he told you without authorization, but you did.
Again, I ask that you just stop using my name and making up lines like the one below. If I have to tell the truth about your lack of integrity, I will.
It has been suggested that you released the info because you were not invited to Stephen Bassett's Disclosure. I will not put that in print at this time.
Again, I have never communicated nor have I meant to have anything I said communicated to you. Stop stretching your story. Leave me out of it, or my involvement will be to tell the truth.

Dr. Jan Bravo"

To be clear, I have not vetted Bravo as of yet or further delved into the above remarks. Some of these people are more difficult to vet than others.

I can tell you're not a researcher based on your opinion. If you pull up Webre's 'about' page and see his past involvements I would hope you would question his integrity. To come to this conclusion you would have to know a thing or few about the organizations he has associated himself with. And herein lies the problem....most people don't have the knowledge base to even understand who they're dealing with in the first place which is why they are so easily fooled. All they see are the person's so called titles and lists of accomplishments where they then conclude the person is a 'stand up' guy. Please understand I'm not making fun of you. But until more step up to the plate and do the homework themselves and not rely on the 'Bill's' of the world to tell them how to think, man will be duped over and over again like a broken record. Webre comes across to me as a 'legend in his own mind'....that's what his credentials say to me. I would tell you the guy is a disinfo agent and you will likely find truths mixed in with b.s. if you choose to follow his every word. Webre's document is hardly proof...he said 'as a result of a 3 month long investigation'....Investigation by who? him? lol...uhhh....ya....ok Mr. EPA and UNITED NATIONS supporter.

Don't fall for it....at the very least, understand that you really don't know jack and your opinion likely is based on false information and assumptions. When you become a researcher, you quickly realize how much you don't know and while an opinion forms built off of what you've dug up, you know you are missing pieces to the puzzle because the integrity with the individuals involved is long gone. So you do the best you can to piece it all together with the understanding there may be errors within your conclusion.

Divine Feminine
29th May 2016, 21:28
Also, Mojo provided this tidbit of information on the same Greer thread:

"Dr. Garry Nolan has visited me on two occasions to observe the phenomenon happening in Oregon. He was in the Sirius movie. He wrote this for a question on Greer.

Question 1. Did he think Greer gave a straight, full & accurate account of the findings in his film, i.e. is there more ?

Answer: In all aspects of the film, Dr. Greer, Amardeep Kaleka, and JD Seraphine were true to our agreement as to how I wanted the science to be presented. As I told them at the outset I would be hard pressed to provide formal answers under “pressure”. I only received a sample of the specimen in November, it took me two months or so to obtain all the needed equipment, specialized reagents, and advanced protocols. The procedure itself took a month to verify that I would not lose the DNA through some obvious mistake (I had to do dry runs, etc.). Once I felt comfortable I would not lose the sample through an avoidable mistake, the actual sequencing itself took two weeks, and the “assembly” process also took another 2 weeks, by which time I had only a short time before the movie was locked down for final editing. I honestly can say that in every aspect of their interaction with me they acted with complete integrity."

Divine Feminine
29th May 2016, 22:24
Oh...and did you catch this about your 'stand up' guy? From astute poster Jaybee:

"An interesting twist in this tale....

I was having a look at a thread about all this on ATS forum and one of the posts drew attention to the fact that Webre's 'article' has already been edited to remove one of the accusations. The one about underage boys...


7 posts from the bottom
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread951336/pg6


So I did a search and double checked on another site...


http://nesaranews.blogspot.co.uk/201...project_3.html


and sure enough Webre has removed the underage boys bit...


It used to read...


Quote Dr. Greer reportedly improperly “skimmed” project funds for personal real estate and sexual recreation.

[snip]


One Exopolitics.com confidential source in direct contact with former Greer core team members stated,
“[Steven Greer’s] core team has left. Besides the drugs and underage boys, he's [Greer’s] been taking the money meant for disclosure and free energy and using it to buy personal real estate, drugs and go on trips with boys.

it now says...


Quote Dr. Greer reportedly improperly “skimmed” project funds for personal real estate.

[snip]

One Exopolitics.com confidential source in direct contact with former Greer core team members stated,

“[Steven Greer’s] core team has left. Besides the drugs..., he's [Greer’s] been taking the money meant for disclosure and free energy and using it to buy personal real estate, drugs....

So if the 'confidential source' got this wrong (lied?).....how can any of it be believed?

And how naïve (or worse) is Webre to publically put this BS out.

After retracting the bits about underage boys...did he apologise to Greer?

Is any evidence going to be produced to prove the other accusations?

I very much doubt it."

Ya, nice 'stand out guy'...And here's what else I don't get which is suspicious...Didn't Webre say it was Dr. Carol Rosin who leaked the information to him about Greer? But wait.....isn't she the one who's assisting Greer now??? Thank you alternative community for another WTF moment!

This is what Webre said to in response to Dr. Jan Bravo's letter:
"You communicated to me both through my long time colleague Dr Carol Rosin and through Todd and Nora Hathaway. Dr. Rosin and I communicated via Skype and she stated to me she was relaying messages from you. Dr. Carol Rosin like myself is a Disclosure Project witness."


Wow...just wow....definitely more exploration is needed on that one. I'm outta time and will have to go back to the thread to see if there's anything else.

PS To answer your comment about Steven Greer divorcing....I could swear in his most recent interview on Coast to Coast he stated he was celebrating his 30th wedding anniversary or something to that extent. I will have to re-listen to confirm. So if this is true, you are promoting false rumors.

DNA
30th May 2016, 02:27
Hi Divine Feminine.
I'm a fan of Bill Ryan. Bill is cool enough to answer PM's and give his personal opinion on various subjects if you ask him.
And bottom line. Bill has invested a considerable amount of time into all of this. He remains quite grounded, and his intellect is top notch.
I have my own opinions on Greer, and Bill's input didn't contradict those opinion, it only strengthened them.
Bottom line, Greer is dissinfo. Greer is worse than wrong, he is wrong on purpose to mislead people.
Greer is a toxic addition to the alternative media. We are all stupider for having listened to him.


But that is just my opinion and you are welcome to have yours.

Divine Feminine
30th May 2016, 05:36
Hi Divine Feminine.
I'm a fan of Bill Ryan. Bill is cool enough to answer PM's and give his personal opinion on various subjects if you ask him.
And bottom line. Bill has invested a considerable amount of time into all of this. He remains quite grounded, and his intellect is top notch.
I have my own opinions on Greer, and Bill's input didn't contradict those opinion, it only strengthened them.
Bottom line, Greer is dissinfo. Greer is worse than wrong, he is wrong on purpose to mislead people.
Greer is a toxic addition to the alternative media. We are all stupider for having listened to him.


But that is just my opinion and you are welcome to have yours.

DNA you are proving my points on so many levels based on what you’ve said.

[...] Example, if you listen to the latest Greer audio, he specifically states he’s going to be celebrating his 37th wedding anniversary’, so ‘no’, it’s not true he’s divorced.. Unless he’s lying and hey...what do I know, maybe he is...His words are all I have to go on,..... but at least it’s from the horse’s mouth.

Bill has a membership problem. I’ve watched his membership stats drop drastically over the years. Why? Because he has a major credibility issue combined with the fact that he and his staff have chased away many of their members who don’t play his ‘Simon Says’ game. He strokes your ego by corresponding with you via email to make you and others feel important......Oldest trick in the book and a form of psyopsing as far as I’m concerned. After watching how he’s treated so many people unfairly and rudely through the years, I am left with the impression it’s more than likely he couldn’t give two rips about you, it’s all a show. It reminds me of a former couple who long ago posted all the time on Avalon. And though what they posted didn’t necessarily turn Bill on, they were active members and brought interest to his forum to keep it alive. As the story goes, they went Ecuador for a visit and chose to seek Bill out...Bill basically ignored and blew them off. I believe the couple was visiting for a month. This is one of many, many examples of his poor treatment towards members that I have heard through the years and personally experienced and observed first hand. Many of these former members are here on TOT and have their own personal stories to share.

And this leads me to a well known saying, ‘You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make them drink’. I cannot make you ‘see’. You have to take the initiative yourself and I find most are sadly incapable of deciphering situations taking place right in front of them.

Definition of Psyop:
http://www.military.com/ContentFiles...ate_PSYOPS.htm

PSYOPS or Psychological Operations: Planned operations to convey selected information and indicators to foreign audiences to influence their emotions, motives, objective reasoning, and ultimately the behavior of foreign governments, organizations, groups, and individuals. The purpose of psychological operations is to induce or reinforce foreign attitudes and behavior favorable to the originator's objectives. Also called PSYOP. See also consolidation psychological operations; overt peacetime psychological operations programs; perception management. (Source: U.S. Department of Defense)

And I’ve seen the above go on at Avalon many times, some of it has even trickled onto TOT, wink, wink, but I’ll leave that alone as it doesn’t even compare to what I’ve seen take place on Avalon. They will tell you ‘joy flows from the heart’ and post ''heart warming comments and symbols of the heart, as they’re stabbing you and others in the back as these are the psychological games they play, part of the psyopsing taking place on many levels because the so called ‘awake and aware’ are nothing of the sorts making them easy prey to those who are masters of the game.

I truly wish you well and by no means am I making fun of you. My bold posting is meant to open your eyes to another world myself and others have been exposed to within the alternative community. We are saddened to see so many fellow members being duped over and over again, which is why some of us have spoken up so others can see what we already know to be true.

PS Just to be clear, I'm not endorsing Greer either.

DNA
30th May 2016, 07:35
Look DF, you have your way of vetting folks and I have mine.
I wish you good luck, and I hope we get a chance to talk about something I care enough to participate in.
Because this subject just does not qualify as that.
I don't agree with anything you've stated thus far, but, I also just don't care enough about this topic to counter all of your accusations.
LOL, maybe had you limited your post to something a little more manageable I'd have responded, but there is no way I'm going book post vs book post on a topic I care so little about.

Good day to you though.

Aragorn
30th May 2016, 11:21
Divine Feminine, I have deleted the ad hominems from your post. There was absolutely no need for you to go down that route, and it's against the Forum Rules (http://jandeane81.com/threads/6879-The-One-Truth-Forum-Rules).


:wiz:

I will however say the following. I agree with you on account of Steven Greer. He may have celebrated his wedding anniversary recently — or maybe not; who cares anyway? — but it is well-known among the more seasoned members of the so-called alternative community that Greer is a closet homosexual. In fact, he isn't even hiding it very well because he allegedly has ads up on gay contact websites. I had already heard about that back when I myself was still a member at the Project Avalon forum. One of the gay members there had stumbled upon Greer's ads and posted about his discovery in a thread which was called something like "Is Dr. Steven Greer compromised?".

Anyway, a number of years ago, the alphabet soup agency spooks found out about Greer's "little secret" and they set him up. He was filmed in the act with a hidden camera, and at the very same hotel room that he had given an interview in only a few hours earlier. Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy are both well-aware of this and have seen the footage, and so has one of the members of The One Truth, who is (and had at a different time in the past also already been) a moderator over at the Project Avalon forum. Bill Ryan was the one who showed the footage to her during a meeting after a presentation at one of the Project Camelot symposiums a number of years ago — I'm not sure but I think that it may have been at the Awake & Aware conference in Barcelona. I don't know whether David Wilcock knows, but he was either way also present at that meeting — as were Bob Dean, Jack "Jake Simpson" Burns and Arthur "Henry Deacon" Neumann for that matter — so I'm guessing that he may also be aware of it.

But so anyway, ever since Greer was caught sniffing other men's pee-pees on camera, he has been on a tight leash from the spooks at best, and he could even be on the payroll at worst. Rumor also has it — but I will concur that this is only a rumor — that he's also a drug addict, which would compromise him even further if that turns out to be true. Not to pour any more fuel onto the fire, but he did himself state that he gave up his job as a trauma surgeon in order to wholly dedicate himself to the disclosure cause, and it is not unthinkable that he would actually have lost his position as a surgeon because of his (alleged) drug abuse.

Now, when it comes to Bill Ryan, I wholeheartedly disagree with DNA and I also wholeheartedly do agree with Divine Feminine. As I've stated higher up — and as most of our members will know — I have been a member at the Project Avalon forum myself, and I have had my own experiences with Bill Ryan. It didn't even take more than two weeks after I had signed up there before he dropped his mask and gave me a glimpse of the real Bill Ryan, as opposed to the image of himself which he likes hanging out in his videos.

If Bill Ryan gives his members the light of day and answers their PMs, then it's only because there's an agenda being played out, because by his own admission, he is terrible at replying to PMs, and at one point he even posted a screenshot of his notifications pop-up, which stated that he had over 1000 unanswered PMs waiting in his Inbox. So if Bill Ryan communicates with any given member via PMs, then it's either because he needs or wants something from that member — as was the case with me — or because he's strategically polishing up his public image.

The man is an unadulterated, obsessive-compulsive and highly Machiavellian narcissist, who even goes so far as to try and manipulate the moderators of other forums in order to have certain "objectionable" statements by said forums' members about himself removed. And yes, he has tried that here at The One Truth as well — and more than once too — but that boat doesn't float here. For that matter, he has also already threatened to sue The One Truth on a few occasions.


I think I better get off my beer case now before I say something that gets us into trouble. :hmm:

donk
30th May 2016, 12:04
At about an hour and a minute in, the ruiner (love or hate him...or whatever :blsh:) poses an interesting theory on how these guys (which he sort of includes himself) operate:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esHpfr5f7NA&feature=youtu.be

Off topic: he also talks about his relationship with ol' pooty-poots in the talk

Jengelen
30th May 2016, 13:21
Feeding off the emotional electro-chemical bio-energies of organic life forms here it became necessary for the electrical beings that created this garden to stimulate the 'crop' by shock and awe as well as creating conflict and animosity between peoples and all species. From ants to humans conflict. They create opposing religions for the same reasons as the 'clicks' as mentioned at one hour and one min. or so in in the video. I didn't listen to all of it but he isn't wrong on this. Its somehow built into us to do this.

Programming for sure has a lot to do with that also. Just like the conflicts in nature and survival of the fittest, with humans its tweaked in other ways. One was confounding the languages, both the written and spoken and the archaeoastronomy science and symbol language built into the earth works also. Its said by other cultures that blood types were made differently to clash chemically and as a result as posted before some cultures don't let certain blood types work together or marry due to the known clashes of blood types!

Again to promote more of that bio-electro-chemical energy they need and wanted from their garden. Just like the 4000 plus or minus flaws in our genome, from spina biffida to mongoloid children they all promote more of that stress energy making it difficult. I think its all about energy and they just want some types more than others. Shock and awe seems to be their favorite and they love fear so much it makes them shake and seemingly they sniff a lot too. Its like some kind of high for them I think. I also don't believe these are any different energies at work here than those of a haunted house. They both promote the same reaction to bring out fear usually.

Fred Steeves
30th May 2016, 15:20
At about an hour and a minute in, the ruiner (love or hate him...or whatever :blsh:) poses an interesting theory on how these guys (which he sort of includes himself) operate:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esHpfr5f7NA&feature=youtu.be



That was one of the points that caught my attention Phil, as I have long maintained that the (supposedly) alternative media operates very similar to professional wrestling. Hell so does politics, imagine that!

Divine Feminine
30th May 2016, 21:23
Divine Feminine, I have deleted the ad hominems from your post. There was absolutely no need for you to go down that route, and it's against the Forum Rules (http://jandeane81.com/threads/6879-The-One-Truth-Forum-Rules).



I will however say the following. I agree with you on account of Steven Greer. He may have celebrated his wedding anniversary recently — or maybe not; who cares anyway? — but it is well-known among the more seasoned members of the so-called alternative community that Greer is a closet homosexual. In fact, he isn't even hiding it very well because he allegedly has ads up on gay contact websites. I had already heard about that back when I myself was still a member at the Project Avalon forum. One of the gay members there had stumbled upon Greer's ads and posted about his discovery in a thread which was called something like "Is Dr. Steven Greer compromised?".

Anyway, a number of years ago, the alphabet soup agency spooks found out about Greer's "little secret" and they set him up. He was filmed in the act with a hidden camera, and at the very same hotel room that he had given an interview in only a few hours earlier. Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy are both well-aware of this and have seen the footage, and so has one of the members of The One Truth, who is (and had at a different time in the past also already been) a moderator over at the Project Avalon forum. Bill Ryan was the one who showed the footage to her during a meeting after a presentation at one of the Project Camelot symposiums a number of years ago — I'm not sure but I think that it may have been at the Awake & Aware conference in Barcelona. I don't know whether David Wilcock knows, but he was either way also present at that meeting — as were Bob Dean, Jack "Jake Simpson" Burns and Arthur "Henry Deacon" Neumann for that matter — so I'm guessing that he may also be aware of it.



Thanks for the censorship and I disagree with your decision to delete part of my post.

The political correctness and hiding behind the guise of ad hominems is disappointing. I have nothing personal against DNA. I stated the facts of how I perceive the situation. We'll have to agree to disagree. So censor away if you feel my intentions are unsatisfactory and in violation.

I see no solid reason as to why he thinks Alfred Webre is a 'stand up guy, and he has provided no evidence to enforce his viewpoint, and imo, his reasoning for thinking Bill is 'grounded' is concerning considering what most of us have witnessed through the years. For those who missed the portion of my post that was deleted, I had 5 bullet points showing where I could see DNA was falling into a trap. My intention was to sincerely help him see a point of view he obviously was not aware of or chooses not to be aware of. At some point in our learning and growing, all of us have fallen into these traps,...many of us are all the wiser because of it. Some of us feel an obligation to share with others in the spirit of protecting them from falling into the same traps.

This portion of DNA's remarks was concerning and I'd like to comment further in objection to his viewpoint, not him as a person, hopefully I'm allowed to do this.:
"I don't agree with anything you've stated thus far, but, I also just don't care enough about this topic to counter all of your accusations.
LOL, maybe had you limited your post to something a little more manageable I'd have responded, but there is no way I'm going book post vs book post on a topic I care so little about."

Maybe had I limited my post to something more manageable?? hmmm.... Seriously?...in comparison to what you posted on post 11? You cared enough to post what you did, regardless of what was truth and what wasn't. All I tried to do is clarify where I was seeing misconception on your part. It appeared to me that you hadn't read the thread in its entirety which is why I went back and pulled the info from that thread to bring it to your attention.

From what I can see, after reading the Greer thread on PA.
1. Alfred Webre basically slandered Steven Greer which was later removed hence giving the impression of a credibility issue.
2. Alfred Webre appears to have lied about having direct contact with Dr. Jan Bravo.
3. Alfred Webre appears to have breached confidentiality by releasing the papers?

Of course if there is error in my perception let's clear it up if someone has proof otherwise. I will say it can turn into a he said/she said scenario making it impossible for any of us to really know what happened. If you explore further into Alfred's history you will find additional squirmishes eluding to a credibility issue, so a pattern is developing which screams disinfo agent to me. If you're really interested read here:
http://www.readyfortheshift.com/2014/12/12/alfred-webre-betrays-andrew-basiago-another-turn-of-the-screw/#.V0yaDORl_mw

Alfred has also held the title as the General Council for New York's Environmental Protection Agency, which in my book, completely without a doubt hands down ruins his credibility. The EPA is beyond well known for their corruption and support of Agenda 21 policies and procedures, so one who works for such an entity falls into my category of 'participation is condonment'...especially an attorney! If you are not aware of the issues and grief the EPA have caused so many Americans, start googling! The EPA's job is to shut down your rights as a property owner by pushing you off the land via unscrupulous tactics, false claims and purposely created lawsuits to see what kind of precedent they can create within the courts by wining landmark cases thereby forcing their over-reaching authority on the rest of us. Someone who works for this kind of organization has a serious credibility issue! Can I say 'DUH'? (this is not directed at anyone...it's my frustration at the level of incompetency and authoritarian behavior being perpetuated onto the people).

Listen, I totally get how complicated deciphering through the multi-layers of crap can become. And one can say my post is too complicated, and therefore they're not going to respond......sorry I can't help it's complicated, but this is what you have to do to weed through the noise if you truly are seeking the truth. The truth doesn't care how complicated it is....

And yes, I get Greer might be gay, not debating it, as it could be true...I was just pointing out that the rumor of his divorce was false information and since I heard it directly outta Steven's mouth, it's all I have to go on unless someone can cough up actual documents stating otherwise. So if we're about truth, then let's not add more noise to the situation by saying he was divorced. I was lucky enough to 'happen' upon the information and am just passing it on. Also if what Aragorn states above is true, it's just another example of how Greer's been set up in the past to purposefully discredit his work. We all know he has an ego problem, it appears to be his weakness.

The puzzling question that needs further exploration is, why does Steven Greer currently work with Dr. Carol Rosin, if she's the one that was in communications with Webre relaying messages given by Dr. Jan Bravo that according to her(Jan Bravo) never transpired?

"Dear Jan Hi I am sorry you are distressed.

You communicated to me both through my long time colleague Dr Carol Rosin and through Todd and Nora Hathaway. Dr. Rosin and I communicated via Skype and she stated to me she was relaying messages from you. Dr. Carol Rosin like myself is a Disclosure Project witness...."

Since Steven still appears to be working with Rosin, it gives me the feeling that Webre's intentions were to discredit and sabotage.....

Aragorn
30th May 2016, 21:51
Thanks for the censorship and I disagree with your decision to delete part of my post.

The political correctness and hiding behind the guise of ad hominems is disappointing. I have nothing personal against DNA. I stated the facts of how I perceive the situation. We'll have to agree to disagree. So censor away if you feel my intentions are unsatisfactory and in violation.

It was not censorship. It was the removal of a list of ad hominem bullet points which were worded in an offending manner, and your original post with that bullet list still included exists as an integral copy in the mod room, so my colleagues have also seen it.

If I had agreed with DNA and had therefore removed those lines from your post, then it would have been censorship. But as it just so happens to be, I actually disagree with him on just about everything that he wrote there, except for his judgement of Steven Greer. So I did not censor you, but instead I moderated your post — there's a huge difference.

It was also not the first time that you go ad hominem with another member. You are entitled to your opinions just like everyone else is, but that's a blade which cuts both ways, and ad hominems are a definitive no-no here at The One Truth. If someone else here goes ad hominem with you, I will cut the offending lines from their post as well, or even delete the whole post altogether. I did not delete your entire post because I felt that there was valuable content in it.

You can disagree with my decision all you want, but you as a member see things from your own vantage, while we as staff members look at things from all vantages. And that's exactly how it should be.

donk
31st May 2016, 14:11
I saw the original bullet points and found the points salient, I think ad hominem is a bit of a stretch...but to each their own, I guess.

I think the important take-away is that at this point in our journey, if you're still attached to the characters you choose to see more than you are open to others' perceptions and insights...you're going to be stuck in a reality where it's tough to relate to those of us tired of the blatant cognitive dissonances that need to be maintained to keep the current paradigm going.

Someone's view on another should not be considered an irrelevant attack just because the subject (or managment of the platform the perspective appears on) doesn't like to see it to transmitted that way. That's pretty much straight out of the playbook/tactics of the "old boys clubs" that steer the collective consciousness on every level.