Richard Dolan blasts Corey Goode and others like him - FINALLY!

[Chester]

About time some of the more legitimate UFO researchers start drawing the line on the Corey Goode types

start around 1:09 ish mark for the juicy stuff -

Thank You, Richard Dolan.

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[bsbray]

Now comes the part where Corey and Wilcock and Basiago's supporters bash Dolan and everybody else tries to move on with their interest.

[Aianawa]

Ta, am about to listen, excited hearing where others are coming from, around this subject, ta again.

[Chester]

Ta, am about to listen, excited hearing where others are coming from, around this subject, ta again.

Hi - what does "ta" mean? I am from Texas and we don't use that word here but if its a good one, I will introduce it into the mainstream of Texan lingo.

[Chester]

Now comes the part where Corey and Wilcock and Basiago's supporters bash Dolan and everybody else tries to move on with their interest.

Dolan suggested he's expecting this... but it doesn't have to be the case. I was (for a brief time) open minded to Corey. In part because I trusted the judgment of others (another lesson learned) and in part because I wanted to believe he was honest. So there's hope for those who are still under the spell of one or more of these fakes, attention seeking, greed driven (instead of heart driven) distracters who do anything but help the rest of us. In fact, it is clear they are tools of those who desire to keep their thumb on the rest of us.

In speaking for myself, I am even more and more interested in solid research which can include testimony yet where that testimony has to have significant, credible support. There are witnesses to all sorts of anomalous "happenings" who do provide some support (whereas Corey not only provides NO support but has also provided multiple evidences that he is capable of lying, misrepresentation, view point change in a dramatic way which can be seen to clearly benefit the bigger picture hopes and desires of those who pay Corey's bills and the list goes on).

Look... face it folks (and I mean this to only certain specific folks... me being formerly one of them) - we like a good story, we like to think there might be a solution to how obviously screwed up the planet is at this time, we like sometimes even like drama, we sometimes enjoy sensationalism and sometimes we are not very interested in far less sensational yet supportable facts that point to strangeness... sometimes even high strangeness.

I am seeing more and more folks (like me) go through their fantastical whistle blower stage and then leave it forever yet are not losing their interest. In my case I can say - "thank you Corey, thank you Shane (and some of the Shaneolytes), thank you Simon, thank you several who have made contact with me one on one... and who in many cases are still heavy into the belief of the conclusions they have drawn from their experiences and their belief in the paradigms their conclusions suggest to exist and who quite often then conclude that these paradigms are true not just for themselves but for all of us.

[Aragorn]

Hi - what does "ta" mean? I am from Texas and we don't use that word here but if its a good one, I will introduce it into the mainstream of Texan lingo.

It's not a word but an abbreviation, Sam. It means "thanks". ;)

[scibuster]

In Germany we have ta tah mean Tusch means english: fanfare

[Chester]

In Germany we have ta tah mean Tusch means english: fanfare

Lord take me downtown... I'm just lookin' for some Tusch!

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I am really enjoying your posts scibuster...
I never know what I will read next - always a good surprise, Thanks for being here... Sam

[Joanna]

Sam, what I'd like to ask, is why so many folk in the 'UFO Community' as Richard Dolan refers to it, go running after whistleblowers and self-proclaimed ET incarnates, walk-ins and/or galactic ambassadors whose claims are unsubstantiated in any material terms, while at the same time apparently taking little interest in contactees & experiencers who do have evidence? (Correct me if this is a misperception).
Unfortunately, with so much disinfo and hoaxing in the field, the 'burden of proof' does rest with those who attest to having ET or UFO contact/experiences.

What is the fascination with storytellers who have no practical/visual evidence, when we're talking about something potentially life-changing and world-changing?

From my pov, galactics of goodwill will and do give visual evidence to those who are genuinely in close contact with them, because they too would like to see the truth of their presence and purpose here come out faster than it is and has been, given the general blockade on multiple levels!
So telling people they need to take stories on faith is a load of cr**...and why do people acquiesce to that anyway?

I realize that I personally don't have enough third party evidenced contact (at this stage) to be considered credible...and that it's not enough to have photos or vids of ships or beings etc on your own, in these days of photoshop.
But there are quite a number of folk who do have solid third party evidence - multiple witness sightings, multiple witness photos and videos taken, on numerous occasions.

I watched James Gilliland's trip around Australia (not in person, as he didn't come to the west coast) but via extensive filming throughout, and everywhere he gave a workshop, there were ships sighted by large numbers of people, with photos and vids shot by multiple people. The fact that he has ongoing contact and communication is well attested by hundreds of witnesses at least, from all walks of life.
In Australia, there are people like Peter Slattery, Damien Nott and Solreta Antaria, who are longterm contactees who all have had multiple witnesses to ships on numerous occasions. They've all taken photos and footage in the presence of other witnesses, and sometimes with two or more folk taking shots.

So, what gives?

[Elen]

Ta, am about to listen, excited hearing where others are coming from, around this subject, ta again.

On the Southern Hemisphere, i.e. Australia and New Zealand, they use the word "Ta" to say, thank you. Being Norwegian I always thought it's the half of:"Takk" which is Norwegian, and never thought any more about it. This is the way they say thank you. Nice, isn't it?

[Aianawa]

Yes , very nice Elen, I did not know that, ta.

Sam, for me, yourself lumping Shane in the same boat as Corey, with Shane having imo been proven to be where he is at as such and Corey so far, yet to be proven as you say and feel, tells me your experience personally with Corey outweighs mine, still, proof is my wish also, like many others. I am left with my intuition and feelings, my respect for DW's life work and perception also comes into this for me, also soon after becoming engaged in Corey and DW's Avian adventure here on TOT when joining, I had my own contact with a blue sphere ( visual, above where we live ), which feelings at that time gave me confirmation for myself.

So it is for both of us, our experience/s that confirms our perception.

[modwiz]

Neither Corey or Shane have been instrumental in my reality perception or formation. So, no skin in that game for me. I hold Shane as a brother and have real affection for him. Corey is another voice on a forum/internet but, I would recognize him on the street or store. I would be able to greet him if I met him.

[Aianawa]

I thought you interviewed Shane, if so, are you saying there was no impact on your reality, or at least a differing perception in your reality afterwards, formation wise ?.

[modwiz]

I thought you interviewed Shane, if so, are you saying there was no impact on your reality, or at least a differing perception in your reality afterwards, formation wise ?.

You speak to me in a polarized language, brother. But basically , it was an enjoyable conversation about the alternative community for both of us. Negligible impact might be the correct term as Shane and I have far more in common than differences.

[Aianawa]

I watched your vid interview with water lady, enjoyed and was kin feeling for me, the both of you, as I read your post above and your energy alignment with Shane, I remembered you saying to lady, 3 6 9, and 6 was the frozen energy, so felt for myself a 6 as such energy connection for you and Shane somehow/what, just what came to me Modwiz, imo nice nice.

[Chester]

Yes , very nice Elen, I did not know that, ta.

Sam, for me, yourself lumping Shane in the same boat as Corey, with Shane having imo been proven to be where he is at as such and Corey so far, yet to be proven as you say and feel, tells me your experience personally with Corey outweighs mine, still, proof is my wish also, like many others. I am left with my intuition and feelings, my respect for DW's life work and perception also comes into this for me, also soon after becoming engaged in Corey and DW's Avian adventure here on TOT when joining, I had my own contact with a blue sphere ( visual, above where we live ), which feelings at that time gave me confirmation for myself.

So it is for both of us, our experience/s that confirms our perception.

With all due respect, I see Corey and Shane very differently. Both are full of it though, but in far different ways and in each case for multiple reasons which are different with some commonality - that commonality being that Shane knows he's making everything up and at one point (when I met Corey personally) it was clear he knew he was making some stuff up.

Anyway, Aianawa... You can believe Wilcrook and Corey all you want. I can draw on my own experiences with both of them and make my determinations as I have.

In all three cases, Wilcrook, Corey and Shane, I have all the actual first hand experience which includes plenty of proof that they are all in their own way harmful to the truth seeking community. Dolan is helpful to the truth seeking community. Again those last two statements are just my opinion.

I communicated with someone I believe is one of the very sharpest and most experienced researchers in the world and here is what that had to say -


What do you think is truly behind these things? Is it really possible he [Shane] and Corey and folks like this are truly being puppeteered by some sort of tech?


Good question. Corey is puppeteered up the Yazoo, I'm sure, and that's compounded/amplified by his ego-desire to be on stage and known, and also to earn a living for his family. That combo makes him highly susceptible to be influenced (consciously or otherwise), probably pretty easily.

This researcher then added additional information I prefer not to add here but it completes the picture and supports the very experience I had with Corey back on April 17, 2015 in person and for over two hours. Habits which lead to "firewalls all being down for a long time, whatever his levels of personal ethics."

I feel bad for Corey.

What I think is absolutely heartless is that Wilcrook would take advantage of Corey as he has and all for his own personal aggrandizement, to make some cash and to increase his perception of his fame. I would love to be able to tell this guy to his face - "Cut it out!" This same guy who threatens people with the FBI for teaching what he claims is his "knowledge" when it is actually the perennial philosophy while pretending he's the champion of the downtrodden who are downtrodden by the very PTBs of which the FBI is just one representative. Don't believe me? Spring $77 bucks (unless he's gone up on the price) for his Accessing Your Higher Self four part video series as I did and listen to the first four or five minutes of the first video where he threatens you in this way. And then make sure you listen to his reminder threats at the beginning of the other three videos. This is nothing short of disgusting. If this is what an enlightened being is and if this is someone you wish to look up to and trust... go ahead, Aianawa.

And get this... Corey told me directly that Wilcrook was under heavy influence from some girlfriend back then and that's why the "draconian threats." Ahhhh, so the girlfriend's now gone so Wilcrook graduates to using Corey Goode who deep down actually has a heart and one day... he might just look himself in the mirror and breakdown because he knows... he knows it's all just reality TV and that he sold his soul to it. And if that day comes, no telling what Corey might do. And will Wilcrook care? Ha!

As for the ruined... we are dealing with a "young, silly, imaginative attention-seeker." Now paraphrased - "If there's any truth to any of it, he's done a rotten job of managing things... could have gone about things in a much better and more adult way. He's probably not puppeteered at all though he might have associations that are pushing him along."

Why do I share about this as I do, when I do and as often as I do? Simple - these are first hand experiences with "experiencers," "whistle blowers" fake attention seekers preying on the vulnerable (or whatever word Shane would call himself) that serve as examples of a larger trend that has emerged in the alternative community. And this is exactly what Richard Dolan reacted to. The legit researchers are finally getting sick and tired of it. The last Secret Space Program conference in Bastrop, Texas intentionally refused to invite the obvious frauds. There's a reason. And its pretty obvious and IMO we should be grateful these folks are starting to draw the line.

Here's a thread over at PA that may enlighten some readers further about the capabilities of Wilcrook - http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?61721-An-Open-Letter-to-Mr.-David-Wilcock

one quote -


And it's 100% true that David's track record has been (a) sensationalist, and (b) frequently way off the mark when it comes to reality and real events.

After raising money for a film that he never did and people started asking what happened with their investment - Wilcrook ignored them. What class!


As best I'm aware of everything that happened, the real disappointment, which has to say something about him, was that David never once got back to Weezer in response to her repeated attempts to ask, initially very politely, what was happening. That's when it starts to look like a cut-and-run, hoping that not much noise will be made, and that his audience will forget, or never get to hear about it.

and this one...
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?42029-Maybe-time-to-take-a-serious-look-at-David-Wilcock

[Chester]

Neither Corey or Shane have been instrumental in my reality perception or formation. So, no skin in that game for me. I hold Shane as a brother and have real affection for him. Corey is another voice on a forum/internet but, I would recognize him on the street or store. I would be able to greet him if I met him.

This is something Modwiz has shared with me that I greatly appreciate and respect and... wished I had incorporated into my operational protocol before I had entered into the relationships I had with both Corey and Shane as well as some others. But I can't change the past. I have definitely set new protocols for how I experience these types of relationships now. And boy have I started to develop some very new views about the whole "other worldly phenomena" basket of possibilities which I hope to post about tomorrow morning as this post is very important to carefully write.

Joanna - it is with your post in mind that I actually have started on it...

[Joanna]

This is something Modwiz has shared with me that I greatly appreciate and respect and... wished I had incorporated into my operational protocol before I had entered into the relationships I had with both Corey and Shane as well as some others. But I can't change the past. I have definitely set new protocols for how I experience these types of relationships now. And boy have I started to develop some very new views about the whole "other worldly phenomena" basket of possibilities which I hope to post about tomorrow morning as this post is very important to carefully write.

Joanna - it is with your post in mind that I actually have started on it...

Will look forward to it, Sam :)

[modwiz]

I watched your vid interview with water lady, enjoyed and was kin feeling for me, the both of you, as I read your post above and your energy alignment with Shane, I remembered you saying to lady, 3 6 9, and 6 was the frozen energy, so felt for myself a 6 as such energy connection for you and Shane somehow/what, just what came to me Modwiz, imo nice nice.

I appreciate you viewing the video(s). We put them out as part of the alternative community looking to support each other by communicating ideas we hold in some esteem together. We also shot a promotional advertisement for a local yurt maker where I live in Virginia. All we asked for was some time and interaction with one of the owners. She was thrilled at the opportunity and very pleased with the gift of free promotion for her local enterprise. We feel that getting the word out about people making quality products, employing local skilled craftspeople, is a service to our community. So, while we talk about being scammed by this or that person, all via listening to or watching their videos, one of our own, me and GMoP, put out videos that get scant attention. Do we need to do something perceived as unsavory to get discussed? LOL

If so, then we will walk in obscurity.

[Joanna]

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I am left with my intuition and feelings, my respect for DW's life work and perception also comes into this for me, also soon after becoming engaged in Corey and DW's Avian adventure here on TOT when joining, I had my own contact with a blue sphere ( visual, above where we live ), which feelings at that time gave me confirmation for myself.

So it is for both of us, our experience/s that confirms our perception.

Aianawa, this brings up something else in Richard Dolan's talk, where he said that even if other testimonies came forward that appeared to match the stories of Corey and other space programmers, that wouldn't convince him that it was true.
All around the UFO community, the 'Blue Avians' appeared to match other informants or channellers' perceptions...or were close enough that with a little tweaking, the info could 'fit together' and reconfirm each other, and lend an air of authority and truth because so many people appear to have matching information or perceptions.

To see a blue orb and decide it is therefore a Blue Avian orb, because that way of interpreting such a visual phenomenon has entered the field, doesn't make the blue orb necessarily a Blue Avian orb. It could be, but unless you had/have other confirming experiences (and I would also say, unless you could catch it by camera, so that you can be sure it wasn't a hallucination or mind-program generated image, and therefore an illusion, albeit a convincing one), then you've jumped to a conclusion, based on a piece of information (which could be disinformation or illusional) from somebody else.

I see orbs a lot, Aianawa, and photograph them a lot too, blue ones included...and if I'm not 100% certain of an identity, I ask for a confirmation, or more than one confirmation....as I choose to be careful, based on certain experiences.

[Outlander]

Sam, what I'd like to ask, is why so many folk in the 'UFO Community' as Richard Dolan refers to it, go running after whistleblowers and self-proclaimed ET incarnates, walk-ins and/or galactic ambassadors whose claims are unsubstantiated in any material terms, while at the same time apparently taking little interest in contactees & experiencers who do have evidence? (Correct me if this is a misperception).


It's an industry' and this is a way to make the money go round.

Richard Dolan is a 'legitimate UFO researcher'?

Hear, hear!

:hilarious:

[Aianawa]

Fair enough Joanna, see your point, will stick with my feelings for now.

Also, said orb gave off or I received very beautifullll energy as such and while hard to gauge size, would guess 1 km wide, no smaller.

[Joanna]

It's an industry' and this is a way to make the money go round.


Outlander, that is just the superficial level of what's going on, from my pov...


Fair enough Joanna, see your point, will stick with my feelings for now.

Also, said orb gave off or I received very beautifullll energy as such and while hard to gauge size, would guess 1 km wide, no smaller.

At that scale - although orbs can come in all shapes and sizes - you might have been seeing a lightship....

[Chester]

Sam, for me, yourself lumping Shane in the same boat as Corey, with Shane having imo been proven to be where he is at as such and Corey so far, yet to be proven as you say and feel, tells me your experience personally with Corey outweighs mine, still, proof is my wish also, like many others.

Here's just one. I will be glad to keep rolling out as many as you need unless your feeling (which is understandable as I also felt for almost 9 months I could trust Shane) is so powerful that any proof provided won't be enough for you to reconsider your opinions. Trust me... I and others know this one well. It's hard to face the facts and allow the gut to speak. The heart is the center of desire. The gut is where the truth lay.

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Also, have you followed the links to the information (and access to proof) regarding Wilcrook? As there is where the real wolf can be found. Corey is just a sheep in this picture... or shall I say, sacrificial lamb.

[Outlander]

Also, have you followed the links to the information (and access to proof) regarding Wilcrook? As there is where the real wolf can be found. Corey is just a sheep in this picture... or shall I say, sacrificial lamb.

Keep in mind that Wilcock - 'Cocky' or 'Williy' for his few/if any, friends - has put his heart, soul and (shady) reputation on the line by backing Corey Good.

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[modwiz]

Hi - what does "ta" mean? I am from Texas and we don't use that word here but if its a good one, I will introduce it into the mainstream of Texan lingo.

Well, ta-ta means goodbye. But, there are goodbyes and then there are ta-tas. :eyebrows:

Ta for listening.:hilarious:

[modwiz]

Nothing like name calling to help promote oneself. I am not being cynical either. There are far more small minds in the world than great ones and they live for mud-slinging stuff. Richard has plenty of legitimate mud to fling too. It is a win-win scenario. Dolan gets himself a few more people who know about him and people are entertained and have things to discuss in forums.
OK, Corey doesn't win in this one but he and David are now making a living from their work and have enough of a following for a "lively" discussion to be had between the two camps.:popc:

I see more of a resemblance to The Penguin, from Batman series, than Edgar Cayce with the blonde guy. Whatever 'is name is. There is an avian connection.

[bsbray]

Wilcock didn't have much of a reputation left to begin with, starting with hyping up the year 2000 as the "ascension" that would change everyone's life. It's only gone downhill from there. I don't keep his track record but others do and he's made plenty of false predictions and backed some shady people, only to sweep all of that under the rug and move on to the next side show. He's got some kind of complex where it seems like he has to have everybody's attention and get all the credit for repeating other peoples' work.


I see more of a resemblance to The Penguin, from Batman series, than Edgar Cayce with the blonde guy. Whatever 'is name is. There is an avian connection.

lmao..

I'm not an expert on body language but some of the stuff DW does with his fingers creeps me out, like the way he grips the armrests of his chair like he has claws. Maybe you're right about this avian connection modwiz.

[Chester]

Joanna - it is with your post in mind that I actually have started on it...


Will look forward to it, Sam :)

And so here we have an example of what I have come to view as a possible mistake we make when it comes to experiencing the anomalous.


...also soon after becoming engaged in Corey and DW's Avian adventure here on TOT when joining, I had my own contact with a blue sphere ( visual, above where we live ), which feelings at that time gave me confirmation for myself.

So it is for both of us, our experience/s that confirms our perception.

This clearly points out that there is an obvious distinction between experience at the dense, materialistic, physical, 5 sense, 3D level of reality and our perceptual experiences of the anomalous.

So actually, Aianawa, your last statement that I quoted above may not be possible to be true.

Let me speak for myself - I do not make the mistake (anymore) of interpreting my perceptions when the perceptions involve the anomalous. In fact, thank god for Shane tFR who is one of my top five all time greatest teachers because it was my overall 1 year long experience with Shane that provided me the opportunity to learn that lesson.

In post #24 (http://jandeane81.com/threads/9100-Richard-Dolan-blasts-Corey-Goode-and-others-like-him-FINALLY!?p=841948901&viewfull=1#post841948901) one can clearly see factual proof that Corey Goode either a.) allowed Wilcrook to defy the insistence of the Blue Avians or b.) decided he would willingly (and financially) participate in making money off of the Blue Avian story thus directly defying their insistence himself!

If scenario a.) is correct then Corey Goode demonstrates how easy he is to manipulate by those who have no heart when it comes to cashing in on the vulnerable. This is the super soldier "intuitive" that Wilcrook's followers are "believing in?"

If b.) then Corey is a sellout thus not only demonstrates a complete lack of integrity, he proves to me that he is very capable of making everything up and/or being used as a pawn by others who are making this bs up. An orb did not appear to me to confirm this. Instead I have it on my Skype chat direct from Corey Goode myself.

See the difference?

Now to respond back to Joanne (apologies for the delay)...

Here's a quote from a book I am reading which just came out recently and is entitled Super Natural.

The author (actually one of the co-athors... Jeffrey Kripal - the other being Whitley Strieber) is referring to another author's writings - that author being John Keel and the work referred to is The Mothman Prophecies. (http://www.amazon.com/The-Mothman-Prophecies-John-Keel/dp/0765341972)


Consider a single eccentric case, the Mothman of Point Pleasant, West Virginia. Here was a red-eyed, seven-foot winged monster who displayed a disturbing preference for terrifying menstruating women and whose multiple spectral manifestations in 1967 were accompanied by numerous UFO encounters. The latter UFO phenomena... displays an almost pornographic preoccupation with our mating practices. Indeed, one of his chapters begins with two lovers, stripped to the buff in a parked car enjoying each other, until a humming blue ball of fire parked outside their squeaking bouncing car. The blazing blue ball seemed conscious as it backed away a bit when the woman saw it and screamed. And then it disappeared. The young couple threw on their clothes and immediately drove back to town only to discover that they had lost two hours.

Note that the above described experience was one of many involving "an orb type object" that manifested in that area at that time during the same time as the Mothman was also seen in that same area. Logic suggests (at least the way we seem to use logic) that one has something to do with the other...

Here's a description of the book -


West Virginia, 1966. For thirteen months the town of Point Pleasant is gripped by a real-life nightmare that culminates in a strategy that makes headlines around the world. Strange occurrences and sightings, including a bizarre winged apparition that becomes known as the Mothman, trouble this ordinary American community. Mysterious lights are seen moving across the sky. Domestic animals are found slaughtered and mutilated. And journalist John Keel, arriving to investigate the freakish events, soon finds himself an integral part of an eerie and unfathomable mystery...

So folks were associating one with the other. Some folks concluded that Mothman was able to shape-shift into the orb and that Mothman was involved in impregnating the females who had missing time all and only to make hybrids such that their offspring could one day take over the Earth.

Nope... no Blue Avians to "save the day" (despite verbal disclaimers their intervention does not have this intent.)


The following comments are nothing but speculation but I am writing it as if "I got it!"

Can't we see what we are doing?

We have an anomalous experience and seek to explain it. We then interpret our experiences. My guess is that more often than not, our interpretations are assisted by the information we have come across that previously and thus we have that lovely "a-ha" moment where we think we have "connected some dot." This then leads us to form conclusions and eventually our conclusions begin to suggest the formation of a paradigm. Note that sometimes we can have anomalous experiences where later... sometimes years later, we run across information that suddenly connects those crucial dots and finally explains it all! (This is what happened with me with Shane tFR and is what made me so vulnerable).

And why we do this is because we like to know.

We like the security of knowing.

This post is long enough for now but stayed tuned...

[scibuster]

I'm not a deep ufo searcher but when I make a suspect list this list will have the following
priority range:


My little suspect list:
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Richard Dolan (non suspect)

Dr. Steven Greer (a bit suspect only after 3 hours looking his youtube shows)

Dave Wilcock (very imaginative suspect)

Richard C. Hoagland (most suspect, hardcore suspect, because of his Iapetus Dream)

[Joanna]

From Sam: Can't we see what we are doing?

We have an anomalous experience and seek to explain it. We then interpret our experiences. My guess is that more often than not, our interpretations are assisted by the information we have come across that previously and thus we have that lovely "a-ha" moment where we think we have "connected some dot." This then leads us to form conclusions and eventually our conclusions begin to suggest the formation of a paradigm. Note that sometimes we can have anomalous experiences where later... sometimes years later, we run across information that suddenly connects those crucial dots and finally explains it all! (This is what happened with me with Shane tFR and is what made me so vulnerable).

And why we do this is because we like to know.
We like the security of knowing.

Sam, from what you've said of The Mothman Prophecies, the 'supernatural occurrences' being described are anecdotal? What I would ask, not having read the book or having any inclination to do so, is whether there is any substantiating evidence, such as photographs or film...and particularly, if so, whether there is substantiating evidence from more than one witness, and better still, more than one witness at the same time and/or location with material proof?
Because if not, it's just hearsay - like Corey Goode's writings - with nothing more than unsubstantiated stories to suggest what its origin is ie; whether it could be a multiple hallucination, whether it is genuinely 'supernatural' beings or entities of some kind, whether these images (and humming sounds, which sparks suspicions for me) could have been technologically generated, or generated by a highly trained occult, malevolent mind/s, human or otherwise, whether the mothman, blue orbs, and animal mutilations are connected, if true, in a way that they are all coming from the same source, or from multiple sources, and if so, whether they are connected in intent and manifestation of 'phenomena', or disconnected.

Secondly, where you speak for the collective 'we', when it comes to leaping to (potentially shaky) conclusions when dots appear to connect in the desire to interpret and know what certain anomalous experiences are, this assumes that for everyone, supernatural, paranormal, interdimensional and/or extraterrestrial experiences are 'anomalies'.

That assumption doesn't work for me, or folk like me, who have experienced/continue to experience what others would call 'anomalous events' or happenings as part of our everyday life ie; as our normal. An anomaly means something different, unusual, unclassifiable...but you know, if you see orbs often, and/or other interdimensional phenomena, including starships (UFO is another misnomer, if you have contact - they're hardly 'unidentified') and so on regularly enough that they are a part of your normal life, then what is more the anomaly?
To me, as I've experienced life since childhood, the third dimensional 'reality' is more ephemeral, transient and 'anomalous' than life in say, fifth dimension or ninth dimension (for want of a better way of expressing it in 3D words)...but nonetheless, it touches my heart deeply.
And perhaps because of experiencing this lifetime as interdimensional and multidimensional, and as loving, first and foremost, then on the whole, BEing is more 'natural' and more enjoyable, actually, than attachment to the hunt to know, always looking out there in someone else's 'data' for what IS 'the truth'...which does have fear/insecurity at its base...

About CG, just plain logic, without the use of subtle senses, could tell anyone there's something awry with his Blue Avians, on a number of counts. One being that if they were true benevolent higher dimensional beings aligned with Love and Unity Consciousness, they wouldn't preach duality in their 'message'. They'd be saying, 'be in service to Love, to Source' rather than be in 'service to others' and not to yourself. Any entity that encourages people to keep their vision dualized - Service to Self versus Service to Others - is not in unity consciousness. Is that so hard to see?
Same with the Law of One that DW refers to a lot, and in relation to CG's info: The so-called 'Ra' beings channeled in that material state that Will is the first distortion from Source, and Love is the second distortion from Source...and I would say, what manner of being would feel will and love as distortions? Even to use that word about love, says something, deeply...at least to me...that the channeler is compromised, or has a lot of ego filtering going on, or that the entities being channeled are not what they say they are, or that it's all made up etc.

Your focus is on the dollars & fame angle of the 'ET/Disclosure industry', and my perception is of an agenda to soak both the alternative and mainstream 'views' in false, fear-based and disinfo (part truths/part distortions) so that folk can't see the wood for the trees, and screen out genuine goodwill ETs and other beings - and those who have substantiated contact with them - under the blanket of noise...

So, why would people acquiesce to, and play into, this scenario? And what would it take for them to move on from doing that?

[Dreamtimer]

"So, why would people acquiesce to, and play into, this scenario? And what would it take for them to move on from doing that?"

I think these words may help, Joanna. Your insights are so clearly expressed, thank you.

[Chester]

It appears my posts have been largely misinterpreted. Conclusions drawn that are incorrect or only part of what I was conveying.

I will attempt to unravel the confusion.

[donk]

"So, why would people acquiesce to, and play into, this scenario? And what would it take for them to move on from doing that?"

I think these words may help, Joanna. Your insights are so clearly expressed, thank you.

Great question, and great post Joanna.

I find it particularly intriguing the amount of attention Shane received so quickly. Corey had the backing (and intrigue) of BR's unraveling of the goodET character, there was a lot of clarity as to how the popularity of his character emerged. But Shane's "blog for an intended audience" caught on quicker than anything I'd seen emerge in the arena in a long time (if not all time).

I did ask him directly, very early on...he had no answer. I wonder if that's still true or anyone has any insight?

[Dreamtimer]

Shane was the other side of the same coin. Those who didn't like the BA liked the Ruiner. He was riding the wave.

[Maggie]

From Sam: Can't we see what we are doing?

We have an anomalous experience and seek to explain it. We then interpret our experiences. My guess is that more often than not, our interpretations are assisted by the information we have come across that previously and thus we have that lovely "a-ha" moment where we think we have "connected some dot." This then leads us to form conclusions and eventually our conclusions begin to suggest the formation of a paradigm. Note that sometimes we can have anomalous experiences where later... sometimes years later, we run across information that suddenly connects those crucial dots and finally explains it all! (This is what happened with me with Shane and is what made me so vulnerable)......

Then Joanna
......benevolent higher dimensional beings aligned with Love and Unity Consciousness, they wouldn't preach duality in their 'message'. They'd be saying, 'be in service to Love, to Source' rather than be in 'service to others' and not to yourself. Any entity that encourages people to keep their vision dualized - Service to Self versus Service to Others - is not in unity consciousness. Is that so hard to see?


What a very well stated trap and also what a well clarified distinction.

I so deeply wish to have companions seeing what I see and sharing. That is because I am a physical mammal. There is just nothing like being in synch to make the snuggled sense of warmth. It gets less and less available as we leave the huddle and the farther out one gets, the less validation. I THINK we better be well grounded in "normal" belonging attachments before we can easily take on the "strange". If we are already feeling bad as "weird" and "strangers" (alienation) we are at risk for cults of dangerous intent IMO. When sometimes we meet the chameleon who can take on the shade of blue we have been seeing ourselves and seem really authentic THEN we believe we have been found.

Without being well integrated already as "normal" life participants, anomalous, odd, "strange" experiences might just take us over as obsessions???

And if we become disillusioned by the cult's liars, we might be flattened in deep apathy.
The problem IMO then...we might just pile on self doubt, and feel MORE alienated? Disappointment stirs doubt. Also IMO what we could DOUBT is that we have been alone at any time. Maybe we have been in an anomie delusion? Maybe we should not want to be "special" and more healthish-ly doubt that just because we have visions, we are set apart. Maybe we just need to stop thinking these anomalies are anything really significant except in small ways? What is the agenda of creating aleinated social loners?? It suits narcissm as a culture and that is my preaching point :)hehe

I read about mammal disparagement and first felt guilty then stopped being ready to disparage mammalian physical expression. The psychopaths like to sneer at our belonging needs. IMO this is the slander that makes us willing to turn against humanity and "rise above" being bodily......In such silliness as human emotions, human "failings", humanity as a mess and by extension other life forms.

The narcissm that is running underneath culture springs up from deep human failure to appreciate being in mammalish bodiness. It is a dis-ease parents create first "by expert advice"...Example: who lets their babies sleep in the "adult bed"? In what name do adults sends wee ones away to be alone in the night??? This is a first experience of "culture".

That is just an example of what piled on from birth makes us long to be special, long to leave the body behind and ascend, long to be understood. Is primitive culture really US?

[Aragorn]

I find it particularly intriguing the amount of attention Shane received so quickly. Corey had the backing (and intrigue) of BR's unraveling of the goodET character, there was a lot of clarity as to how the popularity of his character emerged. But Shane's "blog for an intended audience" caught on quicker than anything I'd seen emerge in the arena in a long time (if not all time).

I did ask him directly, very early on...he had no answer. I wonder if that's still true or anyone has any insight?

Just a wild guess, but maybe you should point the microscope at the person who was his Number One fan (and coach) from the start, and who was instrumental in bringing his blog to The One Truth and turning it into a local cult. That very same person — see the image below this paragraph — is still endorsing him now as we speak, over at another forum where he himself is also a member, and where (most of) the cult members who left The One Truth are now dwelling.



http://icv2.com/images/article_thumbs/650x650_4a51065743102d559331a5514d5529c7689cfd772b aa586f4afdd6a7.jpg

[Chester]

What a very well stated trap and also what a well clarified distinction.

I so deeply wish to have companions seeing what I see and sharing. That is because I am a physical mammal. There is just nothing like being in synch to make the snuggled sense of warmth. It gets less and less available as we leave the huddle and the farther out one gets, the less validation. I THINK we better be well grounded in "normal" belonging attachments before we can easily take on the "strange". If we are already feeling bad as "weird" and "strangers" (alienation) we are at risk for cults of dangerous intent IMO. When sometimes we meet the chameleon who can take on the shade of blue we have been seeing ourselves and seem really authentic THEN we believe we have been found.

Without being well integrated already as "normal" life participants, anomalous, odd, "strange" experiences might just take us over as obsessions???

Thank you... this was the overall point I was hoping to make. And frankly, I am glad I have not been "normalized" - in fact I would say I have been breaking that mold but perhaps its best for others to decide. Despite my mistakes, I am glad I took risks in seeking answers to my own anomalous experiences. Yet, I am glad I have reached the point where I am hearing the words... "What if, Sam, you never find out?"

Because it is in this latest stage of my journey where I am facing NOT having the security I so greatly thought I would obtain by "knowing." I am discovering that maybe I don't need to know! And this has been freeing.

The additional point I was making is this. I do not believe intentional liars help us any. There's no lesson to be learned much less taught by playing that game (as I felt Shane liked to play and perhaps still does).

Of course, by saying this I am insinuating he has been consciously lying (and this goes for Corey and others too). But guess what? I cannot know that.

Maybe he is telling tales because he's being mind controlled.

Maybe it is all true.

I cannot know. Yet what I can do is form an operational assumption.

Part of what I use to assist with the formulation of my operational assumption is track record. In the case of Corey, I have plenty... documented, provable to others... so provable I once freed someone from Birdnosis that a relationship was formed which later fell apart because, ironically, I stopped believing Shane, had a breakdown over it, made a mistake, then became the object of dozens of lies and massive twistings of underlying truths that several good relationships were destroyed including the one I help free from the birdcage.

Besides my experience with Shane is an example I can so easily cite from because I was so deeply involved for a year, I also cite it in hopes that one day he might come clean where at least this once friend might have a little understanding that what happened might never have happened if not for the one on one lies I was told and false roads of possibility I was knowingly sent on. All I ask is that Shane (Mr. Responsibility) take some responsibility for what happened. I also know the odds of this are all but zero because there is at least one Shaneolyte who believed every single word he said and who, if he did come clean, would be shattered. Egos will never step aside for the truth when cemented at this level. But I will also never stop bringing it up when it fits the opportunity.

Why?

Because I prefer my children not grow up in a world where lying is an accepted operational protocol. Idealistic? Yes, but what reader of this post supports lying?

Maybe some do.



And if we become disillusioned by the cult's liars, we might be flattened in deep apathy.

Exactly - and I wish for my children and loved ones (and everyone for that matter) to have better odds at not having to become disillusioned and apathetic. It's unnecessary... just like the example you give further down (expert advice).



The problem IMO then...we might just pile on self doubt, and feel MORE alienated? Disappointment stirs doubt. Also IMO what we could DOUBT is that we have been alone at any time. Maybe we have been in an anomie [anomaly, anime?] delusion? Maybe we should not want to be "special" and more healthish-ly doubt that just because we have visions, we are set apart. Maybe we just need to stop thinking these anomalies are anything really significant except in small ways? What is the agenda of creating aleinated social loners?? It suits narcissm as a culture and that is my preaching point :)hehe

Wow, you are on a roll here! Another major point I had hoped to make... I see the same thing, narcissism as one of the underlying factors in those who take these anomalous experiences (all very real to the experiencer... and this I wholly honor and appreciate) into the interpretation stage which (IMO) if that is done at the personal level can be greatly healing and can expand ones consciousness and one's open mindedness to possibility yet that then all too often, so many seem to cross that invisible line where the interpretation becomes used to validate conclusions and paradigms which are then (narcisistically) applied to others, large groups and perhaps even all of us! That was the primary point I hoped to make. I don't know how many times I have had to endure the imposition of the Ascended Master paradigm of the Evangelical Christian (end times) paradigm or the Scientology paradigm where I felt I was not allowed to develop what may make more sense to me for myself.

In a way, I feel this is what Wilcrook is doing and heartlessly using Goode to do it. If Aianawa is excited such that he has his experience with the blue orb... that is wonderful and beautiful IMO. If he then interprets the experience to validate the underlying theme of Blue Birdie Aliens here to save the day, that may very well place him into a position of waiting around instead of acting. Yet what if the blue avian meme is actually true and real and they are here to save us all? How can we know? We can only go on track record of those who are promoting and telling the story. Sadly I have too much negative track record with both the promoter and the story teller. I just pointed out the track record.

Just as a further example, here is Aianawa telling us he had this blue orb experience. Guess what? i believe him. I believe he had the experience. Why? because I wish to give people the benefit of the doubt unless and until they demonstrate words and actions in ways they lose my trust. Aianawa has written hundreds of posts here on TOT of which every single one seemed to come from a good hearted being who wished the best for us all. Would he lie? Would I lie? In both cases it is certainly possible, but i can only go on my own experience with Aianawa and that experience tells me that he was telling the truth regarding the blue orb he saw. I also honor his interpretation for himself frankly. I also honor that that experience was enough for him to conclude that this orb was connected to the Blue Avian story. I also can completely understand that he might conclude that his interpretation is correct in that it involves us all.

And if Goode is consciously lying or that he is being puppeteered by one or more third parties to state all these things which then turn out to all be false, then sadly, Aianawa might become disillusioned and apathetic. If this turns out to be the case - this is what I protest against.



I read about mammal disparagement and first felt guilty then stopped being ready to disparage mammalian physical expression. The psychopaths like to sneer at our belonging needs. IMO this is the slander that makes us willing to turn against humanity and "rise above" being bodily......In such silliness as human emotions, human "failings", humanity as a mess and by extension other life forms.

bang on point



The narcissm that is running underneath culture springs up from deep human failure to appreciate being in mammalish bodiness. It is a dis-ease parents create first "by expert advice"...Example: who lets their babies sleep in the "adult bed"? In what name do adults sends wee ones away to be alone in the night??? This is a first experience of "culture".

Agree - this is our current experience - I like to take responsibility for having this form of experience and in fact, I love to celebrate it. The good... the not so good and the really tough stuff.

That "expert advice" reminds me of all the hell we endured when we refused to have our children circumcised. We explained our view very simply and clearly.

"Are you telling me there's any justification that the moment a child enters this world we horrifically traumatize them this way?" This usually silenced any arguments.



That is just an example of what piled on from birth makes us long to be special, long to leave the body behind and ascend, long to be understood. Is primitive culture really US?

Sadly there's probably a lot of truth to this last statement, Maggie... Thank you.

[Chester]

Just a wild guess, but maybe you should point the microscope at the person who was his Number One fan (and coach) from the start, and who was instrumental in bringing his blog to The One Truth and turning it into a local cult. That very same person — see the image below this paragraph — is still endorsing him now as we speak, over at another forum where he himself is also a member, and where (most of) the cult members who left The One Truth are now dwelling.


What's funny is that that forum is the only Alt Community forum I ever joined that I am not a member of today.

In fact, I found my account deleted or whatever they did when I broke not a single rule!

Well, at least I didn't break any written rule. I must have broken an unwritten rule -

That being -

I stopped believing Shane!

hahaha seriously - that's why I was banned.

Ohhh wait, I did break another rule. I stopped accepting the edict that Malc was stalking everyone over at ER (and other forums) and was DDOSing ER. I refused to go along with that baseless accusation as they had absolutely no proof and despite some claiming they were persecuted witches in former lifetimes decided the same degree of evidence as used in witch hunts be valid for their claims against Malc. How ironic.

Anyways - I rejoined recently using the user name "Sam Hunter (again)" because I read that Ria stormed off after deleting all her posts. The result?

BANNED (again)

EDIT: Added 2016-07-01 - I just noticed I no longer have an account at Earth Empaths. How empathetic... er, I mean pathetic.

Broke no rule yet BANNED!

Truth Warriors (unless that truth is not "wished to be known"), Champions for Free Speech (blocked from the ability to speak), Non_Duality proponents (drawing lines)... etc.

What and advanced, lovely community.

[modwiz]

What's funny is that that forum is the only Alt Community forum I ever joined that I am not a member of today.

In fact, I found my account deleted or whatever they did when I broke not a single rule!

Well, at least I didn't break any written rule. I must have broken an unwritten rule -

That being -

I stopped believing Shane!

hahaha seriously - that's why I was banned.

Ohhh wait, I did break another rule. I stopped accepting the edict that Malc was stalking everyone over at ER (and other forums) and was DDOSing ER. I refused to go along with that baseless accusation as they had absolutely no proof and despite some claiming they were persecuted witches in former lifetimes decided the same degree of evidence as used in witch hunts be valid for their claims against Malc. How ironic.

Anyways - I rejoined recently using the user name "Sam Hunter (again)" because I read that Ria stormed off after deleting all her posts. The result?

BANNED (again)

I lost my password and there was no one to help me. No great loss. Kathy is back to posting endless videos. Lots of threads with no posts.

Most people are readers and not posters, so without the numbers the smaller forums are dull. ToT is just quiet sometimes.

[Maggie]

Just as a further example, here is Aianawa telling us he had this blue orb experience. Guess what? i believe him. I believe he had the experience. Why? because I wish to give people the benefit of the doubt unless and until they demonstrate words and actions in ways they lose my trust. Aianawa has written hundreds of posts here on TOT of which every single one seemed to come from a good hearted being who wished the best for us all. Would he lie? Would I lie? In both cases it is certainly possible, but i can only go on my own experience with Aianawa and that experience tells me that he was telling the truth regarding the blue orb he saw. I also honor his interpretation for himself frankly. I also honor that that experience was enough for him to conclude that this orb was connected to the Blue Avian story. I also can completely understand that he might conclude that his interpretation is correct in that it involves us all.

For me the subject is not IF people do have genuine experience but how we have been constantly manipulated on all sides of the edge of "normal". Also, I have been as subject as anyone to wanting to believe in "fairy tales". Also, I am sure if I had to succeed by being in the mainstream I'd go crazy at this point. BUT I am not really sure I am in any way fulfilling my own life story. It is like I am in limbo.

People who show up like the Shanes and Coreys use our knowing of "there IS more". But they are no different than other "snake oil" sales people IMO. They "succeed" by making up stories that build a narrative with gullible listeners giving them credence. Aren't they showing up like the wagons of the old days when the peddlars of panacea potions came with BIG STORIES of what the town folk had not seen so could not critique?

One of my favorite movies when I was a child was a little cheesy but about a magic circus that was REAL. Actually the clip here is really cheesy.

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Still I KNOW magic circuses may be for real .... I want them to be real as the next person does. I love mystery and magic. But If I can't learn to see myself, I'm quite dependent and that seems no real good. Let ME see in my own time. If it does not happen, Maybe I am just not ready?

I see blue "orbs" that are flashes, red ones too but not as frequent. I see them frequently in all kinds of situations and have NO CLUE of what this means. I see other flashes like bolts of light moving from top left to bottom down (always the same direction) and I also see a mist form around me when I go out and sit at night. So I am SURE people who claim to see and sense things do..... sometimes at least. And I will refuse to stop loving woowoo!!!!

However all the woowoo I eve loved does not mean that I can even get my daily chores done. If I could only just have anomalous activity DO some housework.

[modwiz]

I lost my password and there was no one to help me. No great loss. Kathy is back to posting endless videos. Lots of threads with no posts.

Most people are readers and not posters, so without the numbers the smaller forums are dull. ToT is just quiet sometimes.

Not sure if this will be politically correct. I personally like Kathy. The above is my personal critique of her forum management style. Her efforts are not unrecognized. She also posted the Dan Winter show and I have to acknowledge benefiting from her style. Whether we like each other is not my focus. My focus is on loving one another and helping this ''community'' understand the importance of cohesion and clear communications. The importance of itself.

[Joanna]

Sam and All, do you feel that there is a large - and hopefully fruitful - learning going on, in regards to all the intel/stories being put out there?
With the potential for honing the inner (and in my view, innate) ability to sort the wheat from the chaff in the intel/stories?
And Sam, that getting to the point of 'I don't know' you spoke of, can possibly free us into a more relaxed and peaceful approach...that starts from feeling 'secure' just in what and who we are, regardless of our self-perceived and perceived-by-others 'knowledge status', instead of needing - or focusing on - that sense of security to come from another, potentially fallible, source?

[donk]

It seems to me that almost everyone has their own set of reasons for coming around. We have in common the need to consume (or provide) information that is not easily discussed elsewhere…but after that, the diversity of motives and intents for reading and writing is as immense and unique as each individual.

The thing I noticed through the CG affair most blaringly was the patterns in the behaviors of the authority/follower paradigm at at least two different forums. I observed a cult-like manipulation by the “elite” of places with different degrees of subtly, but where PA stuck to the protecting of its hit creation without apology, followed by the washing of their hands of any responsibility…here we rode the wave of that energy he brought and learned from it, showed humility, and continue to learn and discern the situation to turn the experience into something of value (rather than simply mocked and swept under the rug). Admin here took responsibility, over there it seemed like they were simply victimized, and take no responsibility for what transpired.

Where I keep harping on the rapid rise of Shane’s popularity comes from thinking hard on the whole thing, watching the fantastic stories get eaten up by a community that prides ourselves on discernment and seeing through manipulation. I remember that in his early posts he seemed to have told us directly (this is my memory of the impression I had, I’ve only read his first couple blogs once or twice and ain’t going back right this second, so forgive if this misrepresentation…just a memory of my experience) he was “lying” from the gate, and put up red flags that were almost like stereotypes, it was disturbing to me that the “Shanolytes” as Sam/Aragorn describes and even Sam himself could get sucked in so easily. Just as disturbing that lots of others seemed outraged he’s publishing self-described “fiction”, and assume he’s lying when he says he doesn’t care who believes him.

Because really, what purpose did he serve? To me, he came in as hope that there could be strong eloquent voices that could bring light into the madness, he was an antidote to the CG worship, a little sense…for a post or two. But then the “ruiner” came in, having gained all this attention…hell, he was getting ready to be interviewed by PA. The whole thing went down like televised American “pro wrestling”, him being the Andy Kaufman…a lifelong fan of the arena, who interjected himself into it, reveling in the attention—even when he appeared to be the “bad guy”…in fact all of the players can be seen to be on both sides…for me, he RUINED the illusion that the whole thing is anything other than the WWE:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/07/us/kaufman-lawler-wrestling-match/

But is it all an act? It may be, to the players…maybe they fancy themselves geniuses, and to be fair…the stories around them, the realities they created, were too much for me to be able to interact with either of them on the human level, I just got couldn’t do the thing that modwiz and CW Chanter seemed to do (and CW seemed to have gotten tripped up on himself, he went from sorta having a direction with what he was doing to getting befuddled at “interviewing” Shane), separate the human from the story.

Sam, who seems to have the most direct experience to share, may have a better idea of his true motives…perhaps you could detach from the betrayal and lay out succinctly what you suspect his motives to be and why. The surface is that he wanted people to believe he was transmitting information to a select audience, and it “innocently” opened a portal for him to share/air his own story that he still wants even his friends to believe he believes. Maybe I’m reading into things and setting up a strawman here, but it seems people to seem to take the motivation they project on to him personally, whether it be they think he’s a pathological liar who craves attention and/or enjoys deception…or is pushing or being used in some sort of agenda. I personally feel like it’s an experiment, but can’t begin to imagine where his own awareness/complicity in it would stop and start.

Because maybe it’s unrelated, but I see an aggressiveness in the community to elevate Joseph Farrell, Richard Dolan, and Linda Moulton Howe (in that order, to different degrees) while being super-hyper-critical of everyone else. Those three are like the Hulk Hogan/Undertaker/Roddy Piper old school legends…with legitmate skills…TRUTH to why they’re elevated within the arena…but the fact remains, they’re still part of circus…and unless they have some of those classified patents and/or hidden technologies, they’re still under the umbrella of the Church of Science all the rest of are.

Anyways…this is just a long and plodding way to basically point to my tagline, and remind the arena….fighters, observers, administrators, side shows, vendors, et al., we should always be asking about why has information come into our awareness, who is delivering it, and what is their relationship to the information. I fear that we too often come to conclusions that may not be as balanced as far as heart/mind or intuition/deduction. Maybe discussions like these can lead to better understanding…………then again, maybe they just intentional loops to keep us entertained and distracted from learning anything useful.

[Chester]

My reply to donk's question but to be shared to all readers -

Be warned - this is necessarily long.


My experience with Shane was(is) far more complex than having been a reader of his blog.

I met Shane when he wrote me a PM at PA based on his sensing that I might believe I could benefit from an understanding ear based on an issue that arose for me regarding Simon Parkes which Shane deduced from having read my post that explained my issue. This date was January 3, 2015.

Within a week Shane and I engaged in over 100 pages (copied onto a Word document) of Skype chatting. In this chats, Shane and I shared in a way that, for me, I began to experience an emotional entanglement with Shane where I immediately and gladly became a Shaneolyte.

All because I happened to have been a member of the Avalon Healers Skype group where Corey Goode was also a member, I happened to have exchanged Skype information directly with Corey Goode yet we had no chats outside of the group and never did we have any one on one chats until March 15, 2015 when Corey Goode lit up my Skype. Goode immediately explained that he noticed I was exchanging posts with Atticus over at the inPHInet.net forum where one of my posts highlighted the recent escalation of Simon Parkes the Mantid experiencer to Simon Parkes the Soul Reader and that he would provide Soul Reading services for a truly modest fee. Goode’s quickly revealed his desire that I take hearsay information involving purported improper conduct of Simon Parkes to Atticus in case “Atticus would like to break the story” as it was soon going to go public big time.

The oddest thing is that the very day before Goode lit up my Skype, Atticus flat out told me (based on my post) “Get the goods on Simon.” So how odd is it that (speaking metaphorically) the Universe brought Goode into my life the very next day with what definitely could be described as “the goods on Simon Parkes.” So, like an eager beaver to gain points with all these Alt Community celebs I suddenly found myself directly involved with, I shared the info with Atticus and… it backfired as Atticus decided it was smarter to endear himself to Simon (a somebody) than Sam Hunter (a nobody) and so Atticus contacted Simon and shared with Simon the what and the who about what was going around!

I recommend reading this post as this is some interesting details about that event –
http://jandeane81.com/threads/8801-The-exorcisms-of-Mr-Simon-Parkes?p=841946610&viewfull=1#post841946610

Soooo…. back to Shane.

What could possibly have happened that I would have not so easily discerned what donk acts as if it was a no brainer to discern (and which in hindsight I fully agree with donk! as in DUH!!!) –

donk’s words – “…I’ve only read his first couple blogs once or twice and ain’t going back right this second, so forgive if this misrepresentation…just a memory of my experience) he was “lying” from the gate, and put up red flags that were almost like stereotypes, it was disturbing to me that the “Shanolytes” as Sam/Aragorn describes and even Sam himself could get sucked in so easily.”

Again… (speaking metaphorically) the Universe seems to have “set me (and Shane) up.” How? I will run through the details as simply as possible. It started when I was six years old and had this experience –

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44353-My-possible-abduction-experience

I had searched for the explanation of what happened ever since.

In 2004 I spoke with Stewart Swerdlow about my experience when six years old – he said it sounded like “a secret government op.”

In 2012, I shared the event with Eve Lorgen yet she never offered any speculation but did agree it was, indeed, quite anomalous.

As I got deeper into the Alternative Community, I shared this experience far and wide hoping I might one day find someone who either experienced it themselves and/or knew what it may have been all about.

Now for some important background.

I grew up on “monsters.” Meaning I was a fanatic about the famous monsters of Hollywood film land. My father’s favorite was Dracula. In fact, the first book I was given by my father was Bram Stoker’s Dracula when I was about 12 years old. I was so into the monsters I had all the monster models glow in the dark versions on my shelf where I would look at them every night when my parents turned the light out. I was living in New York City when the comic book Vampirella came out and I had every release they printed for at least the first 4 or so years.

I always had this feeling that what happened to me when I was six and the legend of the vampire, especially Dracula were related. In year 2000 I discovered a divination deck of cards called the Crop Circle Cards. My first card ever was Card 60. I did not know at that time what 60 might mean. In 2010 I became “compelled” to start doing what I call English language Gematria which is like numerology but uses two digits. Simply assign in numerical order the number to the letter in alphabetical order… A = 1, B = 2, etc. Sometime soon after I discovered the following:

D = 4
r = 18
a = 1
c = 3
u = 21
l = 12
a = 1

when added up – this equals 60

In late 2012 I discovered Simon Parkes in this interview –

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzQTqGOlcWc

I was floored when I heard at around the 7:30 mark… “... and what happens is, they want to put something into my hand...” (note, later Simon says it was his “left hand”).

This was exactly what I experienced when I was six years old though I did not see Mantids and never had any memories involving any Mantids but Simon had my attention…

In early 2014 I met the former mod at Avalon named Karelia. I only have wonderful fond memories of the times we chatted and spoke. I always hold her in the highest regard. Interestingly Karelia had done the PA interview of Simon Parkes and had come to develop a friendly relationship with Simon and thus (I believed) sorta began to know Simon pretty well. When speaking with her one time I learned that Simon’s birthday was September 7, 1960. He claimed his experience of the object being placed in his left hand happened when he was 3 and a half and I sometimes heard him say when he was three. I went into my own memory and realized that my experience happened in the late fall or early winter of 1963/64. This meant that my experience and his experience likely occurred within a few months at most of each other. I really wanted to talk with Simon at this point and strangely Simon begins to do a Q and A thing on Avalon!

Through both Karelia and another friend who was directly and to a great degree involved with Simon, I was cleared to PM him. I did and we exchanged a few PMs where he gave me his Skype contact info and we added each other to Skype with the implication he would speak with me. Sadly though, he started to ignor me and eventually this led to my post on PA stating that I felt he could show a bit better integrity than that. This is what prompted Shane to contact me as stated in the beginning of this post.

Now to add a few more important details. My conversations with Karelia involved the mythical Anu. Anyone who has watched some of Simon’s early videos would probably recall Simon’s encounters with “Daddy Drac.” Via Karelia I was able to confirm that Anu and Daddy Drac are one and the same and that this is also how Simon saw it.

I then suddenly recalled reading Sitchin’s The 12th Planet and that the Sumerians used a “sexagesimal number system” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexagesimal
which is a base 60 system and that the head Sumerian “god” was Anu and that he was assigned the number 60!

It was all coming together… Dracula 60, Anu (Daddy Drac) 60, Karelia’s love for the Reptilians whose leader at this time was Anu, my own affinity throughout my life with Dracula, the Crop Circle Card 60, the anomalous experience of object in my left hand within a month or so at most from when the same event happened to Simon Parkes - son of Anu!

I had even printed the symbol of Anu and taped it to my mirror just below a scan of the Crop Circle Card 60 and did this in December 2014 and so when Shane contacted me January 3, 2015… and within one week of this contact from Shane... based on the content of the chats, despite my desire to keep at least one foot on the ground… based on Shane telling me that he was a son of Anu… and what you will read further on in this post - I opened my mind that perhaps I might be one as well. Read carefully… I opened my mind that at some level of my being, I might also be a metaphorical “child” of the mythical Draco Reptilian race. I went from considering it metaphorically all the way to conceptually at the soul level. Clearly I had no physical relationship with Anu in this physical reality (as Shane later told us Shaneolytes that he experienced - as just one specific example - the meeting when 11 of the 21 parents decided they were going to agree to having their heads cut off so they could die (this being the only way).

Now anyone who reads the first 100 pages of chats I had with Shane which (as I already stated) occurred within the first seven days of meeting Shane while considering my own personal story and seeking that preceded this week, might understand how I might have been a little vulnerable… wanting to believe that perhaps I might finally find the answer to what the heck happened when I was six years old and why… and this is how I fell in so deep and so hard with Shane.

The specific clincher was when, just after I shared with Shane my experience when I was six years old… well, here’s the actual chat text –

[3:56:01 PM] Shaynard: Ok.. Please do not feel like anything I am about to say is meant to be at all disrespectful. I am just very direct and honest which can sometimes comes across as cruel. Give me in minute to type and explain.
[3:56:17 PM] Sam Hunter: I hope you will be direct and honest
[3:56:35 PM] Shaynard: Because of what I said about anu's treatment of his son's what you experienced is what HE does.
[3:56:57 PM] Shaynard: He does this to give you a false image of your souls "mother"

Note this is around page 63 or so of what in the end was over 2,500 pages of chat text…

Anyways, as this chat went on, I became more and more open to the possibility that at least at my “soul’s level” I might also be a son of Anu. In reading through these first 100 pages, I can now see how the information I fed to Shane may have been used by Shane to create the impression that I might possibly be and that by so doing, this entangles me with Shane (via Anu) in a way that anyone with any knowledge of human vulnerability would know entangles at a deep, emotional level.

I will show a few more statements made by Shane that came soon after -

[4:10:30 PM] Shaynard: He told me I would find my "brothers" and they would need my help. Which shows he does care about them all even if he only praises the two. [Enki and Enlil]

a few minutes later this one…

[4:11:39 PM] Shaynard: That he allowed us to speak. Says a great deal.

and then a few minutes later this one

[4:13:05 PM] Shaynard: Does Karelia draw a connection between herself and our father?

Note that he uses the words “our father.”

Ever since this chat he called me “brother” all the time.


OK... enough for this post but there is more - the "how it all ended." I need a break but I am sure glad I was finally able to write this up... thanks, donk, for asking.

[Chester]

sooooooo..... continuing,

After the strange event with Corey and Atticus and Simon, I kept in touch with Corey which led up to a meeting I had with Corey in the flesh on Thursday afternoon, April 17, 2015.

The highlight of that meeting which is relevant to donk's question is that during the meeting I mentioned the names of folks I had met and befriended in the community in hopes he knew some of them too... such that perhaps this might further validate me with Corey who I saw (at that point) as (hopefully) the real deal and honestly... I felt he could use a friend and because I lived near him, perhaps I could be and one with close proximity if the need arose.

It was at this time I had seen the thread on this forum called The Plan. I discovered this thread at most a week or so before I met with Corey Goode (April 17, 2015).

So when i threw out a few names to Corey I happened to throw out Shane. This is how it went to the best of my memory.

Sam: Do you know Shane?

Corey: Shane??

Sam: yes... Shane, Shaynard...

Corey: Shane from Canada?

Sam: Yes, Shane from Toronto, Canada.

Corey leaned back and his demeanor changed and then he blurted out:

"Shane's the Ruiner!!!!"

Of course this was already well after the Avians blog post that officialized the war between Corey Goode and The Ruiner but I had never connected Shane to the Ruiner and it was only at this moment that I even considered if it might be true.

The next evening I asked Shane if the rumor was true and he told me yes, he was the author of the Ruiner blog.

So my point is that long, long before the blog existed and far longer before the day I actually knew Shane was the author of the Ruiner blog, I had found myself deeply entangled in a powerful, emotional way with Shane.

At this point, there was almost no possibility that I could read the blog in an unbiased and unemotional way where the mind might say, "huh" much less where I might hear the gut scream - "noooo way!"

It was not until I began my own investigation for material I needed to write up a chapter in a book I had suggested to the Shaneolytes that we all produce as part of our desire to see The Ruiner continue as Shane had warned us that the blog was soon coming to an end when I discovered some things that seemed... how do I put it - where I realized he said one thing way back in the early days where in the later days, he seemed to contradict. I then recalled the time the number one Shaneolyte became upset with me about my cosmological explanation I held at that time as to why "God made all this." Strangely, Shane happened to make the same claim with me and how this came about was when I had heard a bootleg of a Wilcrook presentation where Wilcrook stated precisely the same reason I had derived and which Shane told me, "David got that from me (Shane)."

So when this number one Shaneolyte had issue with my derived cosmology I was able to tell her that Shane had the same view! Yet as I have come to learn when things like this occur where Shane is involved... the story gets changed, twisted, reworded suggesting I didn't understand, etc. etc. But I know exactly what Shane told me and I know why (because he was trying to claim credit for what Wilcrook was taking credit for "knowing") but that when push came to shove, this is when the number one Shaneolyte caused Shane to change his story. Shane had no clue how significant that one event was for me to experience... and so when I started to see the changes in the story and I started to see how he was manipulated by the number one Shaneolyte, that is when I saw the metaphor of "handler" applicable. I never meant it to imply that the number one Shaneolyte was an witting Illuminati or CIA MK Ultra specialist as later I was accused of saying. I did refer to this number one Shaneolyte as "his handler" but the above story is the reason. Do note I saw other examples of this but the story I shared above was the most pronounced example.

Just after all this doubt began to creep in, a friend contacted me and this friend also expressed some serious doubts. And just after that came the big one - released September 18, 2015

"C. W. Chanter" and this video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWataSs3cSQ

On The Ruiner, Illuminati Insider Interview Analysis

Then, a few days later (September 22, 2015), though I had honestly attempted to help an ex-TOTer with her DDOS attacks on her forum, she left me a silly, cryptic message "someone's been talking" implying that word got out to the suspected DDOS bad guy that she had involved the police in her attempts to chase down the bad guy and I realized I had had enough of all the drama, all the BS and I realized that at the heart of it all was... Shane the Ruiner.

I wrote Shane I was done with it all and I was moving on.

And then the fun began... well... fun I guess from the perspective of the Shaneolytes. Stay tuned.

[bsbray]

Because maybe it’s unrelated, but I see an aggressiveness in the community to elevate Joseph Farrell, Richard Dolan, and Linda Moulton Howe (in that order, to different degrees) while being super-hyper-critical of everyone else.

Maybe because they do actual research the old-fashioned way and can cite and defend their sources, instead of just making up nonsense stories and leaving you to take their word for it. If you've ever had to write a high school or college paper where you have to cite actual sources for your information and include a bibliography, then you have an idea of what I mean.

There is a reason that these things are important. Unfortunately some people have to learn this the hard way.

[Aragorn]

[...] and so when I started to see the changes in the story and I started to see how he was manipulated by the number one Shaneolyte, that is when I saw the metaphor of "handler" applicable. I never meant it to imply that the number one Shaneolyte was an witting Illuminati or CIA MK Ultra specialist as later I was accused of saying. I did refer to this number one Shaneolyte as "his handler" but the above story is the reason. [...]

Just for the record, Sam, even though you never meant to imply that Shane's Number One was "on somebody's payroll", that is what we here in the mod room were already suspecting long before you yourself started noticing her "handling" of Shane. And I'm not saying that we were correct in that judgement, but it is what we were all suspecting at that point in time. And she herself has certainly been behaving — and is still behaving — in manners consistent with (and warranting of) that suspicion.

Mind you, I'm not saying that she is on the payroll. I personally think that she's playing a very dangerous game with her own mind, and through it, with the minds of others around her. As the cult leader's right hand, and with her own worship of the cult leader, she's actually becoming more dangerous than he is, because he knows what he's doing but she does not. She's winging it, and I don't think she's aware of how much influence she has on the other Shaneolytes. She's deluding* herself so badly that she has fallen prey to her own woo-woo'ism — if that was not a real word yet, then it is one now. :p

Either way, we've all seen the dangers of cults and sects with charismatic leaders over the ages — just as an example, think of the mass suicides.



As I have stated it before, Male Rock Star Syndrome™ meets Bored Housewife Syndrome™. She was already franticly following Corey Goode's every move before she discovered the Ruiner blog, and as soon as she did, she and all other Corey followers switched sides overnight and became the Ruiner cult, with whom Corey became an instant persona non grata simply because Shane had declared him a liar.

[Aragorn]

With my apologies for breaking the chronology of Sam's two successive posts, but I only found this one after I had already replied to the other one. :flag:




[...]

In 2004 I spoke with Stewart Swerdlow about my experience when six years old – he said it sounded like “a secret government op.” [...]

This is an important clue. Don't lose sight of this.


[...]

I grew up on “monsters.” Meaning I was a fanatic about the famous monsters of Hollywood film land. My father’s favorite was Dracula. In fact, the first book I was given by my father was Bram Stoker’s Dracula when I was about 12 years old. I was so into the monsters I had all the monster models glow in the dark versions on my shelf where I would look at them every night when my parents turned the light out. I was living in New York City when the comic book Vampirella came out and I had every release they printed for at least the first 4 or so years.

I always had this feeling that what happened to me when I was six and the legend of the vampire, especially Dracula were related. In year 2000 I discovered a divination deck of cards called the Crop Circle Cards. My first card ever was Card 60. I did not know at that time what 60 might mean. In 2010 I became “compelled” to start doing what I call English language Gematria which is like numerology but uses two digits. Simply assign in numerical order the number to the letter in alphabetical order… A = 1, B = 2, etc. Sometime soon after I discovered the following:

D = 4
r = 18
a = 1
c = 3
u = 21
l = 12
a = 1

when added up – this equals 60

[...]

Through both Karelia and another friend who was directly and to a great degree involved with Simon, I was cleared to PM him. I did and we exchanged a few PMs where he gave me his Skype contact info and we added each other to Skype with the implication he would speak with me. Sadly though, he started to ignor me and eventually this led to my post on PA stating that I felt he could show a bit better integrity than that. This is what prompted Shane to contact me as stated in the beginning of this post.

Now to add a few more important details. My conversations with Karelia involved the mythical Anu. Anyone who has watched some of Simon’s early videos would probably recall Simon’s encounters with “Daddy Drac.” Via Karelia I was able to confirm that Anu and Daddy Drac are one and the same and that this is also how Simon saw it.

I then suddenly recalled reading Sitchin’s The 12th Planet and that the Sumerians used a “sexagesimal number system” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexagesimal
which is a base 60 system and that the head Sumerian “god” was Anu and that he was assigned the number 60!

It was all coming together… Dracula 60, Anu (Daddy Drac) 60, Karelia’s love for the Reptilians whose leader at this time was Anu, my own affinity throughout my life with Dracula, the Crop Circle Card 60, the anomalous experience of object in my left hand within a month or so at most from when the same event happened to Simon Parkes - son of Anu!

I had even printed the symbol of Anu and taped it to my mirror just below a scan of the Crop Circle Card 60 and did this in December 2014 and so when Shane contacted me January 3, 2015… and within one week of this contact from Shane... based on the content of the chats, despite my desire to keep at least one foot on the ground… based on Shane telling me that he was a son of Anu… and what you will read further on in this post - I opened my mind that perhaps I might be one as well. Read carefully… I opened my mind that at some level of my being, I might also be a metaphorical “child” of the mythical Draco Reptilian race. I went from considering it metaphorically all the way to conceptually at the soul level. Clearly I had no physical relationship with Anu in this physical reality (as Shane later told us Shaneolytes that he experienced - as just one specific example - the meeting when 11 of the 21 parents decided they were going to agree to having their heads cut off so they could die (this being the only way).

Now anyone who reads the first 100 pages of chats I had with Shane which (as I already stated) occurred within the first seven days of meeting Shane while considering my own personal story and seeking that preceded this week, might understand how I might have been a little vulnerable… wanting to believe that perhaps I might finally find the answer to what the heck happened when I was six years old and why… and this is how I fell in so deep and so hard with Shane. [...]

Synchronicities are abound, Sam, but that doesn't mean that they signify what you think they signify. They are just a tool by which the universe manipulates all of us.

I will give you an example of a synchronicity which absolutely did not mean what it suggested. About a year ago, I was experiencing a certain pain and discomfort which prompted me to think that I might have prostate cancer, which is definitely something that runs in my family. My father's elder brother died of it — I don't know what his younger brother died of because we didn't have any contact with him, and my dad himself died of something completely unrelated — and my paternal grandfather had also died of it.

Just as I was pondering whether I might have prostate cancer while I was driving my car over to the village where I grew up — I rather buy my groceries over there than in the town where I live now — I saw a man on the sidewalk on the opposite side of the road, who looked just like my uncle who had passed away of prostate cancer a few months earlier. Except that this man was of course not my uncle, but in the corners of my eyes, he looked just like him — well, not so much anymore after I actually turned my head toward him to take a better look — and he was walking exactly where my uncle used to walk his dog. And yet I don't have prostate cancer, because I had an ultrasound done of my entire abdomen and my prostate isn't even enlarged yet, let alone that there would be any tumors on it.


(The pain had been caused by kidney stones moving around in my body. This is a condition I am very susceptible to, and I get that a couple of times every year. The urine duct passes through the prostate, and because my kidney stones always have jagged edges, I have scars inside my entire plumbing from all the way up in the kidneys all the way down to the faucet.)

So then what was the purpose of that synchronicity? Was the universe simply trying to scare me? Well, yeah, possibly it was. I don't know. All I know is that it doesn't necessarily mean what you think it means, and that — at least in my own reality bubble — the universe is neither benevolent nor malevolent. It simply serves its own agenda, and it can be callously manipulative and deceptive if that's what's required for that agenda to play out.


[...]
Anyways, as this chat went on, I became more and more open to the possibility that at least at my “soul’s level” I might also be a son of Anu. In reading through these first 100 pages, I can now see how the information I fed to Shane may have been used by Shane to create the impression that I might possibly be and that by so doing, this entangles me with Shane (via Anu) in a way that anyone with any knowledge of human vulnerability would know entangles at a deep, emotional level.

I will show a few more statements made by Shane that came soon after -

[4:10:30 PM] Shaynard: He told me I would find my "brothers" and they would need my help. Which shows he does care about them all even if he only praises the two. [Enki and Enlil]

a few minutes later this one…

[4:11:39 PM] Shaynard: That he allowed us to speak. Says a great deal.

and then a few minutes later this one

[4:13:05 PM] Shaynard: Does Karelia draw a connection between herself and our father?

Note that he uses the words “our father.”

Ever since this chat he called me “brother” all the time.[...]

Yeah, he played you really well, Sam. And when I myself was being ridiculed over at Avalon by Paul (and a few Avalon Privileged Caste Members™) on account of something I had read and heard — and thus naively posted a thread about — with regard to the Obama administration having procured thousands of industrially manufactured portable guillotines from China and Korea, Shane approached me as well, also via a PM.

This was still shortly before I was banned from Avalon, and Shane was also one of the first people to greet me here at The One Truth (also by way of a PM) after I had signed up here, and then I told him all about how and why I had been banned from Avalon. He was very cordial, but we didn't speak anymore for a long time after that — not that there was any bad blood, but we simply did not communicate anymore.

Then, after Corey had left The One Truth, Shane contacted me again via a PM, and said that he wanted to pick up again with what he felt was "a young friendship". When I asked him why he hadn't done that before, he said he didn't want to influence me (or something to that effect) when the whole Corey-versus-Shane battle was going on. If he was truthful in that statement, then it's commendable. However, in the back of my mind, something told me that he had simply had no use for me earlier, and that he was now trying to gain my trust after Corey's departure from The One Truth.

I did however tell him that I wasn't into his material, and I did also warn him about Breeze (alias Realeyes) and Ria. I told him that the two of them had turned his blog into a religion, and he actually agreed with me on that, even though he stated that "they were very sweet". So whatever his motives are, he knew very well what was going on, and yet it wouldn't stop him from carrying on.

And once again, I haven't heard from him anymore since that communication. And I doubt I still would, given that he was exposed in the meantime, and that I wrote up that Statement from The One Truth's Management with regard to "The Ruiner Material" (http://jandeane81.com/threads/8015-Statement-from-The-One-Truth-s-Management-with-regard-to-The-Ruiner-Material), which I know he's read.

[Dreamtimer]

I like your point about synchronicity, Aragorn. It doesn't always mean what we think it means. I experience it a lot and I find that the reasoning, thinking mind isn't so good at interpreting it.

I follow my instincts and they work very well. I can't explain how because it's not a predictable or rational thing. It is what it is. The main thing is to not let the ego and desires get in the way. And to not overthink things.

The universe shows us and teaches us what we need which certainly isn't always what we want.

My instincts told me not to PM Shane and I didn't. I certainly couldn't have explained why other than to say it's my instincts.

There have been gobs of synchronicities since I began to explore the alternative world. What do they mean? I can't say. But I'm still following my instincts. They've led me to places I'd never have been able to predict or control.

bsbray, you made a good point regarding Dolan and others. Research takes work and is not the same as creative writing. Dolan even talks about how his research led him in directions he was not initially interested in.

Maggie, you make me smile. Not only did we have our son sleep with us for the first few years, I would masticate food for him. Trust me, I never planned that!

I was briefly a paralegal. In court and depositions there are 'expert witnesses'. I learned that that's a name for someone you pay to come into court, show some credentials, and say what you pay them to say. Beware of 'experts'.

[Aianawa]

This all IMO appears to be having Corey look more favourable, yes ?, lol.

[donk]

Sorry to side-track a bit here, and forgive if you answered this...I'm only on the first paragraph at the top of the page (your second post)...what possessed you to go to Stephen Hodges, of all people?

EDITED TO ADD: I'm halfway through now, and you aren't very clear (to me, anyway)...you knew/were friends with/were emotionally attached to Shane BEFORE he started the ruiner blog??


So my point is that long, long before the blog existed and far longer before the day I actually knew Shane was the author of the Ruiner blog, I had found myself deeply entangled in a powerful, emotional way with Shane.

The stuff that follows that seems to paint a picture where there was an off-forum cult Shane was leading and you were part of for some time. How did you meet Shane in the first place?

[donk]

This all IMO appears to be having Corey look more favourable, yes ?, lol.

How? Because Shane is looking "unfavourable"? Wasn't Shane the sooper-secret insider source for a lot of DW & CG's early horsesh!t?

Your comment, sort of revealing a bit of how you see reality, sure gives me insight on how the dude still has anyone listening to him...

[Chester]

This all IMO appears to be having Corey look more favourable, yes ?, lol.


Different yet for me not more favorable.

If person A is wittingly playing a game with others and person B is being taken advantage of and puppeteered to perpetuate a game on others, there is indeed a difference BUT its still a game played on others...

...so for me, the difference does not make Corey any more favorable. In fact, I am sad for Corey and see his situation as pathetic.

[Chester]

Sorry to side-track a bit here, and forgive if you answered this...I'm only on the first paragraph at the top of the page (your second post)...what possessed you to go to Stephen Hodges, of all people?

EDITED TO ADD: I'm halfway through now, and you aren't very clear (to me, anyway)...you knew/were friends with/were emotionally attached to Shane BEFORE he started the ruiner blog??



The stuff that follows that seems to paint a picture where there was an off-forum cult Shane was leading and you were part of for some time. How did you meet Shane in the first place?

This one is again another "led by the Universe" things - really ironic when looking back. Recall that in early January I had left PA. Recall my mention that I had chosen to leave because several folks in the group I was tight with had left. And note that the epicenter of it all was purportedly Bill Ryan. I had no negative experiences with Bill in any way ever and in fact, the ones I did have had always been positive. But I chose to listen to what some in the group said regarding Bill and I have already posted that I believe I made a terrible mistake in accepting what they said without having my own first hand experiences of the same nature. Within a month of leaving PA I had been told many things which would paint the man as some witting henchman of dark forces and I will avoid all the details as they really are not important.

I had received an e-mail from Christine in either late January or early February... I know I still have the e-mail - anyways... in the e-mail was a link to a thread on inPHInet.net that apparently was a rant thread of Stephen Hodges against Bill Ryan. The e-mail was lengthy and that link was somewhere in the middle. When I came to the part of the e-mail that had the link, I immediately clicked the link and found all sorts of Hodges rantings against Bill. Here's an important point - If I had just read the very next sentence in the e-mail, I would have read Christine's comment that she viewed Stephen Hodges as highly unstable... which I took to mean - "take the info at the inPHInet.net sight with a grain of salt." But as I stated, I only clicked on the link. My point in stating this is to make sure that no one concludes Christine had ill intention... in fact, after I later read the whole mail, I considered her comment to suggest the blabberings of Hodges should not be taken seriously.

This is when I foolishly wrote what I thought was a very soft post as to why I retired from PA. A few days later someone told me they saw my PA status changed to deactivated. Long afterward I had learned that Paul had read my post and decided that I was not a friend of PA and changed my status. In looking back, I can understand why he did. Without going into all that again, just note that Bill invited me back months later and Paul wrote me some kind words too. In essence, I had given PA many good reasons to never want me back and yet, nine months after I left and after writing a thank you to Bill for what he did and does on his forum, I was invited back with a very clear warning - no third chances.

OK so now back to Stephen Hodges.

And this comment here is for Aragorn who wrote a lengthy reply above and which I will reply to in detail but YES! I have learned that sometimes these synchronicities do indeed lead to troubles and I have since changed my view that synchs are all and only created and distributed by some all benevolent deity or force in the universe.

OK so... here's how I found myself having Skype phone calls with Stephen Hodges and his friend Rhi (I cannot recall how she spells her name).

Something in Stephen Hodges name... had the numbers 676767. 19 happens to be my most favorite and intimate number. Because of that I know that 67 is the 19th prime number. Seeing that there are three 67s, I realized that this could be converted to three 19s which adds to another very special number for me - 57.

Because of studies I had recently completed regarding the discipline of "magic" I had come to see how the word "magician" (when using the same English language Gematria I mentioned in the post above) = 57!

And on the inPHInet forum, under the user name he was using (I can't recall now what that was) was some message that seemed to state "resident magician."

Sooooooo I wrote Stephen an e-mail citing all this and he seemed impressed like he had found his Edward Kelly (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Kelley) (him being Dr. John Dee (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dee)) and wanted to speak with me. We did several times and at length over the next few weeks. This all led up to his communication with me on Saturday March 14th to "get the goods on Simon" where the Universe once again uncannily brought Corey Goode to my Skype which led to the strange "magical" experience I had a few days later which many I spoke with told me was intentional black magic performed by Simon Parkes and aimed right at me. Please see the post above that shares part of that event and which provides the link which details that very experience.

And as I say in that link, I cannot know if Simon Parkes actually performed some sort of black magical action aimed at me... but if he did, I can certainly admit that I deserved it. As I also state in that post I linked back to which shows the strange black "sigel" on my purple (should I say Mantid purple?) shirt.

[Aragorn]

[...]

OK so... here's how I found myself having Skype phone calls with Stephen Hodges and his friend Rhi (I cannot recall how she spells her name).

Rhiannon. ;)



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=py3w5fttedA




[...]

And on the inPHInet forum, under the user name he was using (I can't recall now what that was) was some message that seemed to state "resident magician."

He was using the nickname Houdini while he was there. ;)

[Chester]

How? Because Shane is looking "unfavourable"? Wasn't Shane the sooper-secret insider source for a lot of DW & CG's early horsesh!t?

Your comment, sort of revealing a bit of how you see reality, sure gives me insight on how the dude still has anyone listening to him...

According to dozens of comments from Shane directly to me and other Shaneolytes, yes... I cite one example of that in a post above which ironically did not fit into the Number One Shaneolyte's acceptable paradigm but Shane probably can remember what he told me... and that he was the one who told Wilcrook "the reason God created" which Wilcrook stated in one of his presentations, which was recorded on a bootleg which I heard on the internet whereby when i told Shane that Wilcrook has stated it, Shane told me he was the one who told that to Wilcrook.

If I recall correctly, it was Corey who told me that Corey actually introduced Shane to Wilcrook. Unfortunatley, If my memory is correct, I have little confidence that it might be true based on the track record I have with things Corey has stated which I am certain he knew were lies when he stated them -

The most significant Corey lie is when Corey stated in late April, 2015 that he had just learned the day before that Shane was the Ruiner. I know this is a lie because he told me to my face on April 17, 2015 that Shane was the Ruiner. When people lie, it is very hard to know when they are telling the truth or lying. So for that reason. it is hard to know if Corey actually introduced Shane to Wilcrook. Of course, we can't believe what Shane would say to that for the very same reason. His track record of lying. For example, when Corey leaked a Skype transcript between Corey and Shane to Christine and I, it was obvious that Shane was either lying OR that he was a witting, on the payroll "Illuminati" operative. When this transcript got around to all the other Shaneolytes (and who knows who else) Shane was asked about this in an interview (I believe the one with Thomas) and Shane stated "I lied." I heard the words. Now it is possible that interview has been edited. I also recall Shane being asked about "the son of Anu" business... yet I don't think that is there on the interview anymore... maybe it is.

Do note that an e-mail came to me from one of the Shaneolytes suggesting that private information of mine would be released if I continued to cause trouble for this Shaneolyte. My comment about that now is this - I am very willing that every single shred of truth come out regarding the whole affair and that if anyone wishes to insinuate anything about my activities related to work which they may wish might be seen as illegal from any jurisdictional authorities, I have no exposure in this way. In addition, if someone thinks my story about the possibilities surrounding my father (who has been dead since 1979) being brought public is any threat, I have already received the clearance I need during the summer of 2015. The only reason I haven't is out of respect for some folks related to the story still being alive. That every conversation i had with this individual was revealed to have been recorded (though I was never asked much less told) says far more about who I had been speaking with. I am sure on those recordings in all the conversations we had about so many people in this lovely alternative community and comments I had made could be used to "damage" my "reputation" with those folks but interestingly enough... I can't imagine commenting on anyone besides Bill Ryan that has not already blacklisted me thanks to the smear campaign I endured when I "stopped believing Shane" and made the one mistake I made with the one I will refer to as "person c." I came clean with Bill and was forgiven as is obvious to anyone. How ironic is it that the advanced beings of the Shaneolyte group can justify threats, can make up lies for smear campaigns and can destroy relationships while at the same time presenting themselves to be advanced beings whose wisdoms we should all listen to in their Youtube discussions, "interviews" and podcasts and whose blogs we should read for inspiration and to learn important lessons for the soul?

A few of them once told me my problem was that I had not discovered my purpose. I now ask, Is my purpose perhaps to be truthful and revealing? I actually see my purpose in life is to live. But I have the feeling that there are folks out there who feel they need to define specific purposes. You can be in their club if your purpose fits into their agenda. If not... "you have yet to discover your purpose."

Seriousely

[donk]

You still didn't answer how you met Shane before the ruiner blog...or that I misinterpreted your post?

[lcam88]

<lurking/>

Because maybe it’s unrelated, but I see an aggressiveness in the community to elevate Joseph Farrell, Richard Dolan, and Linda Moulton Howe (in that order, to different degrees) while being super-hyper-critical of everyone else. Those three are like the Hulk Hogan/Undertaker/Roddy Piper old school legends…with legitmate skills…TRUTH to why they’re elevated within the arena…but the fact remains, they’re still part of circus…and unless they have some of those classified patents and/or hidden technologies, they’re still under the umbrella of the Church of Science all the rest of are.

Unless you are out of the circus, ie, you believe and practice self-sufficiency, you have your own scientific researchers and your own professionals who verify "outside" information. You may "need" (a terrible word) to align yourself with some agent of chaos that is a part of the circus. And if you don't, your ramblings will go without links, without references to support your statements. As far as pure face-value for others who can identify "truth"? <shrug/> Those people are few and far between; if our society could be described as a library, it would be filled with book about book. (as opposed to book about relevant topics)

That does to show how much we appeal to authorities in our midst. Very few academics risk sharing their own original ideas; and with so much study of authoritative references to "form" an academic, it is quite unlikely that anyones _original_ ideas have not been influenced.

And as long as you and I admit to being receptive to aspects of the circus show, I think there is a lot of merit in identifying what is reasonably well based and solidly researched "entertainment" from fantastical entertainment.

I've heard Mr Farrell refer himself as a "just a hack living in South Dakota"; he doesn't want to be identified as an authority on his subject even though you and I know he is more knowledgable than most. He preferes that people who really interested go and research to find out what there is to know if they have any doubt in his work. If only science was as generous as that!

Church of Science: I think you refer to an institution rather than a practice. You would be under the umbrella only if you cared what that institution had to say about you, ie, your reputation in the science community is something you value.

Anyway to conflate creators of imaginary fantasy works with what Mr Farrell does appears to be the equivalent of saying that the Cinderella Fairy Tale is of historic value as it shares a story of the misdeeds of an ancient household.

I bring up this absurd comparison only to say that such a position implies that no value should be given to the process by which our "entertainment" pieces are contrived.


Anyways…this is just a long and plodding way to basically point to my tagline, and remind the arena….fighters, observers, administrators, side shows, vendors, et al., we should always be asking about why has information come into our awareness, who is delivering it, and what is their relationship to the information. I fear that we too often come to conclusions that may not be as balanced as far as heart/mind or intuition/deduction. Maybe discussions like these can lead to better understanding…………then again, maybe they just intentional loops to keep us entertained and distracted from learning anything useful.

I like your signature as a primary validator. Thanks for expanding on that.

Learning something that is useful depends on what you want to be doing. I expect that entertaining forms of education are generally more successful than dry boilerplate methods.

While writing this posting it dawned on me that our education system hardly spends any time at all exploring/refining creative ideas or notions that arise in students; it spends almost all of its time layering on information from "authorities" in every area. We are required to "color within the lines".

The only outlet students often have are in creative moments where they write short stories, draw or produce some form of art that subsequently gets "graded", or they get disciplined for their inappropriate expressions that may break the rules. Later in life that is all further "depreciated" by the demands of society and economics.

It stands to reason that most people will end their education programs not knowing what they really want to be doing. And likely without having been given much formal structure to the creative ideas and impulsive imagination they started with. They will have a greatly reduced creative capacity as a result of this near constant effort to depreciate or ignore individuality while all the efforts for status-quo are applied to develop collectivism.

So, it is commendable that an individual like Mr Farrell has been able to succeed in these circumstances. That he is doing what he wants and more importantly he hasn't gotten lost in the "wilderness" of the aimless political windstorm we may also call "the circus". Perhaps the same complement could be given to others too?
<lurking>

[Chester]

You still didn't answer how you met Shane before the ruiner blog...or that I misinterpreted your post?

You missed it - it is in a previous post in this thread at the very beginning of the post -

http://jandeane81.com/threads/9100-Richard-Dolan-blasts-Corey-Goode-and-others-like-him-FINALLY!?p=841949237&viewfull=1#post841949237

[donk]

OK I see, it's kinda tough follow the chronology, I thought the Skype-fest happened after he came out...so wow, he reached out to you a couple months before ruiner...and you found he already a bit of following, eh...you were a part of his "intended audience"? Or was it just big Skype chats he was "equal" in...up til the ruiner?

[Chester]

OK I see, it's kinda tough follow the chronology, I thought the Skype-fest happened after he came out...so wow, he reached out to you a couple months before ruiner...

January 3, 2015 - Shane PMs me

as of January 10, 2015 Shane and I rang up about 100 pages pasted to a Word doc of Skype chats. By this date, I was deeply entangled with Shane, especially Shane's story emotionally. I was excited that I may (finally) have an explanation behind the single but very profound anomalous experience I had when I was six years old - this, along with the mystery involving my father are the two single most important mysteries of my life. Within "the possibility" Shane presented would be that I was a brother of Shane's (at least at some level of our being) and that this may very well involve the mythical "Anu" made famous by Sitchen based on his translation of the Sumerian tablets.

On March 25, 2015 Shane makes the first post on the Ruiner blog.

On April 8, 2015, Ria creates the thread now titled - The Plan (blogs by theruiner777)
(http://jandeane81.com/threads/6302-The-Plan-%28blogs-by-theruiner777%29)
Sometime soon after I discovered this thread and began to read.

On April 17, 2015 Corey Goode tells me that Shane is the Ruiner.

On April 18, 2015, when I asked Shane if he is the one who is writing the Ruiner Blog, Shane tells me that he is.


and you found he [had] already a bit of following,

Actually, I only knew Shane via our one on one conversations. Soon after meeting him I introduced him to Karelia. Later I learned that the number one Shaneolyte had been conversing with Shane for awhile (certainly long before he PMd me that first time). I would not have characterized any of that as any type of following. I would call that relationships.



eh...you were a part of his "intended audience"?


This is a complex question as we first must decide what "intended audience" meant to Shane and what it may actually have been.

Shane has told us that the intended audience was made up of folks who either wanted to leave the Illuminati, had also left (like Shane) or who were on the fence about leaving. And that he had been communicating in many different ways one on one and perhaps Skype group conversations but that this became way too cumbersome and so he was asked to make the blog or that maybe he offered to make the blog... that last part I cannot recall if I was told either way.

Now, if Shane is telling the truth to all the folks he was speaking to in one on one and group situations and the things he stated in interviews later on then when he tells people, "don't believe it... it is creative writing, it is fiction..." then (to me) he is playing a game BUT, if this is true, then the intended audience Shane told us about would also be at least one of his intended audiences.

Yet: as an alternative possibility...
It is my opinion that Shane made it all up (or if any is true it is so little that because of the way things were handled, no one can sort any of it out and no one can ever really believe him now even if he came completely clean). So with this in mind, it is my opinion that Shane, knowing the folks he knew that were not a part of this (fictitious) intended audience would eventually make the info known to folks in the alternative community or get the info to a prolific poster that would blast it out to the alternative community, Shane's actually intended audience was the alternative community for the purpose of getting attention and perhaps deriving enjoyment for fooling folks like me and some for (like me) for quite some time and some (like me) which ended in unnecessary trauma.

How coincidental that Ria brought Corey to TOT and Ria brought Shane to the "unintended audience." How coincidental that number one and Ria were in constant communication? How coincidental that the forum Ria created is where number one has landed? Maybe I give too much credit but it seems quite reasonable to suspect that Shane knew this would happen all along. And thus if Shane did then... at least the alt media community would have been at least one of the REAL intended audiences if not the only actual and real intended audience.



Or was it just big Skype chats he was "equal" in...up til the ruiner?

Apologies but I did not understand this last question.

Note, I did find this post of yours, donk... and it does appear to me that what you stated above as to your reaction to it all originally is accurately portrayed in your post of April 15, 2015.

http://jandeane81.com/threads/6302-The-Plan-%28blogs-by-theruiner777%29?p=841916589&viewfull=1#post841916589

And yes... many of us liked Shane. Some of us came to love Shane. Its my opinion that when someone loves someone like I loved Shane, that love never ends. Thus I can say with honesty that I love Shane. We had many amazing conversations.

Also though, I have my issues with anyone who runs games on the vulnerable. I have issues with folks who play a clear and definitive role in the unnecessary destruction of relationships while pretending to be the old wise one. I have issues with those who attain their fame in deceptive ways so that once they have achieved that fame they can then move away from the game playing and retain enough following that it (to them) justifies the sacrifice of those used to get there.

I feel this community deserves better. There are three reasons I am sharing the story as I experienced it, as I can support with real data and as it affected me. Reason one is that this helps me process what I experienced as well as to look at the many mistakes I made during those times. Reason two is that it is my opinion stories like these need to be made visible to a wider public just as the stories of those negatively affected by movements, followings, potential cults, whatever word you might wish to supply that have arisen in the past. The third reason is because it is my opinion that Shane could have (and still might have) the ability to come clean such that at least those who seem to hold so much angst against me might achieve a little understanding as to what I endured. Shane had been given many opportunities to make things right but (as I mentioned before) he may be too boxed in - mostly if not entirely because of what that would do to the reality perception of number one.

[Chester]

Sorry to side-track a bit here, and forgive if you answered this...I'm only on the first paragraph at the top of the page (your second post)...what possessed you to go to Stephen Hodges, of all people?

EDITED TO ADD: I'm halfway through now, and you aren't very clear (to me, anyway)...you knew/were friends with/were emotionally attached to Shane BEFORE he started the ruiner blog??



The stuff that follows that seems to paint a picture where there was an off-forum cult Shane was leading and you were part of for some time. How did you meet Shane in the first place?

No cult at all - just relationships - internet/Skype relationships. Could one have come forth? A mini-cult? I could certainly say there might be what could be seen as "a click." But I probably blew up any chances that it ever may have become any sort of a cult... and even if it had, I see little chance it would have been a harmful one save for any vulnerables who may have found their way in... and all they would be risking is some emotional stability.

[The One]

Shane feeds on other emotions that is clear to see.He try's to make you feel better with his jibbery dash words and thats whats make a cult following i kid you not.He says things you want to here an its like hey this guy is great he's on my level and thats when you get sucked in.Can i get a high five .

One things for sure he loves bananas lol and anyone who's sucks a banana on YouTube for the whole world to see well mmmmmmmmmm its a funny old world.

[Chester]

Just for the record, Sam, even though you never meant to imply that Shane's Number One was "on somebody's payroll", that is what we here in the mod room were already suspecting long before you yourself started noticing her "handling" of Shane. And I'm not saying that we were correct in that judgement, but it is what we were all suspecting at that point in time. And she herself has certainly been behaving — and is still behaving — in manners consistent with (and warranting of) that suspicion.

Mind you, I'm not saying that she is on the payroll. I personally think that she's playing a very dangerous game with her own mind, and through it, with the minds of others around her. As the cult leader's right hand, and with her own worship of the cult leader, she's actually becoming more dangerous than he is, because he knows what he's doing but she does not. She's winging it, and I don't think she's aware of how much influence she has on the other Shaneolytes. She's deluding* herself so badly that she has fallen prey to her own woo-woo'ism — if that was not a real word yet, then it is one now. :p

Either way, we've all seen the dangers of cults and sects with charismatic leaders over the ages — just as an example, think of the mass suicides.



As I have stated it before, Male Rock Star Syndrome™ meets Bored Housewife Syndrome™. She was already franticly following Corey Goode's every move before she discovered the Ruiner blog, and as soon as she did, she and all other Corey followers switched sides overnight and became the Ruiner cult, with whom Corey became an instant persona non grata simply because Shane had declared him a liar.

I agree with this at this point in time. And this is why he can't come clean. I can't blame him for playing the game to the grave as I would never be able to hurt her the way she would be hurt if he did come clean.

I felt I got to know her pretty well. At least for who she was during that time. I hope folks will read these next words very carefully as these words are not just my truth today but have been my truth ever since I started reading some of her posts way back on PA...

This is someone I would go all the way for as she would go all the way for you - if she saw herself as your friend/loved one. When I think of the historical Joan de Arc, I think of her. I have never known someone as passionate of their convictions as number one. I have never honored someone more than number one. Are there things that happened between us I regret? Yes indeed, and I have always admitted every perceiveable error I may have ever made with regards to number one. But I could not imagine having a better sister or mother or daughter or female friend / loved one as number one.

This is in part why I was not happy at PA that they would not allow me to respond to her post (which I ended up doing here) - that is because she deserved responses, corrections of mistakes I may have made as well as mistakes others made I knew were making.

But underlying it all, she will all and only forever see me as the one who betrayed Shane.... unless... unless Shane comes clean. Then perhaps she might find some forgiveness and understanding so that we don't carry this silliness further.

[Chester]

Clarification as to why I used the terms number one, number two and number three.

Besides Shane are three others within the experience I have written about. I attempted to not make it about the who though I was happy to share that I was "number two" (how fitting some might say).

The reason for the order is based on who met Shane when. Based on her and Shane's statements, number one met Shane a good year or so before I did and I am all but 100% certain, I met Shane before number three. I could have used "person a," "person b" and "person c" and perhaps I should have and sincere apologies to anyone I might have offended.

If asked, I will edit all my posts.

[Chester]

I like your point about synchronicity, Aragorn. It doesn't always mean what we think it means. I experience it a lot and I find that the reasoning, thinking mind isn't so good at interpreting it.

I follow my instincts and they work very well. I can't explain how because it's not a predictable or rational thing. It is what it is. The main thing is to not let the ego and desires get in the way. And to not overthink things.

The universe shows us and teaches us what we need which certainly isn't always what we want.

My instincts told me not to PM Shane and I didn't. I certainly couldn't have explained why other than to say it's my instincts.

There have been gobs of synchronicities since I began to explore the alternative world. What do they mean? I can't say. But I'm still following my instincts. They've led me to places I'd never have been able to predict or control.

bsbray, you made a good point regarding Dolan and others. Research takes work and is not the same as creative writing. Dolan even talks about how his research led him in directions he was not initially interested in.

Maggie, you make me smile. Not only did we have our son sleep with us for the first few years, I would masticate food for him. Trust me, I never planned that!

I was briefly a paralegal. In court and depositions there are 'expert witnesses'. I learned that that's a name for someone you pay to come into court, show some credentials, and say what you pay them to say. Beware of 'experts'.

It is within the last 6 months or so that I have finally arrived at the same conclusion as you and Aragorn.

I then considered one thought further. Could the phenomena itself be seen as incredible without it having to have meaning? And so what might that suggest? I asked this to myself and the answer came back - synchronicity demonstrates the quantum nature of our being and comes forth in large part due to the focus and enthusiasm one feeds into something but is all and only that. At least this is now my view of this form of experience. Who knows.

This is now good enough for me and in fact I prefer not to rely on any "third parties" which may or may not mislead me or where I might "seek signs"... wasn't there a warning about that somewhere?

[Maggie]

Maybe because they do actual research the old-fashioned way and can cite and defend their sources, instead of just making up nonsense stories and leaving you to take their word for it. If you've ever had to write a high school or college paper where you have to cite actual sources for your information and include a bibliography, then you have an idea of what I mean.

There is a reason that these things are important. Unfortunately some people have to learn this the hard way.

I'd get myself a Guru..... IF
(song that I wrote to GIAM)

IF S/He already knew S/He is,
whom S/He is,
as we are
and could carry me Extra extra far.....

I'd get myself a Guru.

BUT, I doubt when they suddenly pout
When they angrily cast "them" out
When they ask about collecting:
plates and shops and T shirts
If selling books,
and ugly mugs,
badly done CDs of songs
(like this one.... over long)

I'd get myself a Guru.
If I met one Probably.
One owning own income
independent outflow
Not needing me
Paradoxically

U can't too far from what U already am
Already Am, Already Am
U can't get too far from what you already Am in the end

I'd get myself as Guru
when Guru means "Gee (yo)U Are (yo)U"
I'll get it and "see",
Then and only then I'll be
"Gee I am Me"?

U can't too far from what U already Am
Already Am, Already Am
U can't get too far from what you already Am in the end.

What about the being "me"
Is that enough to set me free?
That might set me free
If the Guru loses doubt
that being "me" is what it's all about?

U can't too far from what U already am
Already Am, Already Am
U can't get too far from what you already Am in the end

The editorial statement stated twice:
[they always try to insinuate that we already are (what?) but they will need us to be shown by them whatever that "what we are" IS]
[they always try to insinuate that we already are (what?) but they will need us to be shown by them whatever that "what we are" IS]

They need to show us, must show us, are compelled AND then we really do owe them a gratuity (as in grateful) and should ethically pay them back for what they are compelled to do.

Huh?

It's like the FE people gurus that don't have free energy or why wouldn't they just have everything they need to do FE?
I am certain this is a feedback loop of IMMENSE neediness in operation.
Everyone needs something and everyone needs others to need what they have NOT got enough of to get out of the feedback loop.

Being Earnestly in need I have given some a try but NOW???
Sadly (the cross eyed bear) must just say NO to seeking sources for affirmation of my worth and FE.
If I try to tease out the back story of Better Story and try to rank orders of veracity, the EFFORT puts my hair on fire.

IF (I) do NOT already know I AM whom I AM..... I just will have to be unknown.
I must be content with the small "Gee I am Me" (is it weird that acronym spells Giam???)
Yes, only we can prevent our brains from going up in flames.

http://thumb7.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/73710/73710,1298832811,1/stock-photo-burning-brain-in-flames-on-a-black-background-72071986.jpg

http://atman.net/guruphiliac/sticker500.jpg

[Dreamtimer]

Maggie, my favorite line:

'I'd get myself as Guru
when Guru means "Gee (yo)U Are (yo)U"'

That's a great poem/song.

Maybe we can get JJ Sears to perform it. :ttr:

Sam, throughout human history the number one source of signs or omens has been dreams. Number two: birds. All kinds. I don't know what words humans used for synchronicity before Jung.

And there have always been 'specialists' who were skilled at interpreting those omens/signs. Don't worry that you didn't get it right. It ain't that easy. And don't worry about finding an expert. You can be your own expert. Just know yourself.

(Sounds so easy, doesn't it?:whstl:)

[donk]

What I’ve learned through all the unfolding of these events, as they occurred in a sort of fractal-y reflection of my real life, is that people who turned to lying as a coping mechanism seem to be able to believe their own lies—the more “pathological” it is for them, the quicker after telling a tale it becomes a “truth” to them.

In real life, severing the relationship was the only solution…in the case of my babe who’s extremely attached to it, her finally believing my words and actions that affirmed I was out of good feelings about it was what caused her to hit a true “rock bottom”, forcing (what looks to be) a genuine change. What I learned there is that pathological liars not only often project on others that they are lying (usually when it’s “truth”), they tend to believe actual lies of others…I guess in a subconscious hope that others’ believe their lies.

Admitting there’s a problem is always the first step. The other pathological liars in my life, those not as attached to me or our relationship…they just went away, whether it was because I successfully stopped enabling--I tended to let them assume their lies were truth--but forced them to play it all the way through, inevitably revealing that the lie was ALWAYS worse than the truth they were concocting tales they wanted others to think were “better”.

These people can’t be helped, if they aren’t ready. They believe the lie to themselves that living in lies is preferable to the feelings they had in whatever reality traumatized them into shifting away from it. It’s pretty much cliché now, but unhealed trauma really seems to be the root of it all, and empathizing with others that chose to stay stuck in their “happy place” they retreated to when they had no other escape…who continue a survival tactic that may have helped them through earlier in life…these people are good taking elements of reality and twisting into something that gives other affirmations of wrong (but desirable or at least attention getting) conclusions.

Maybe I generalize too much, but this is the lesson I’ve learned, a pattern in a lot of those I interact with regularly in any facet of life, virtual or otherwise. It seems to me that any of these guys could benefit from hitting that “rock bottom”…deciding living the lies is too exhausting, that they are going to change their path--which very well could have always been pointed toward the same “good” goals in their mind, though having proven to themselves that deception is NOT the way to get there.

If one of them…David, Corey, Shane, Simon…any of them, if they came out, transformed, started processing their shit publicly, apologizing for letting their demons control them for so long…sure, there’d be a ton of backlash and little-to-no trust at first…I’m going through that phase with my babe right now. But watching her finally walk all her talk, taking action and responsibility that she half assed or straight up refused before, is a beautiful thing, a more compelling story than wallowing in her conspiracy-theory-level-event-full trauma-based mind controlled life she’s always lived, more interesting than the alien encounters she believes she’s had (and every well may have)…it’s a beautiful thing. If one of these dudes try it, I suspect they’d find a similar reception, and they’d get all the attention and love they tried to possess through the self-destructive self-deception they projected.

....or what they're saying is true, which will become apparent. Or they can't stop living in their lie, they believe they're in too deep as Sam suggests could be the case, which will also become apparent...in any case, truth seems to be revealed. None of these dudes really seem to be hurting other than straw men in generalized arguments or specific and intimate individual experiences where those that chose to engage are tested, and can come out learning empowering lessons and honing important discernment skills. We all need to learn how to not let others draw us into their false realities...and even more importantly not to get stuck in our own.

[Dreamtimer]

I've known pathological liars and they do end up believing their lies. It's amazing to watch. I had to end a friendship because of it.

Another I know is a family member. I don't really know the solution to the conflict between feeling love and the desire to help this person and the inability to believe a thing they say.