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curious soul
9th April 2016, 11:50
Hi friends.

Would it be true to say that as an apparent individual sense of self; we are believed to have our own unique brain embedded inside our skull that appears to direct our own unique path as we journey through a life we believe began at our birth and will end at our death.

On the other hand; would it be more true to say, we do not have a brain rather, we are the brain.?

And when a human being thinks it is the one using it's brain...is that exactly true, or is that the illusion of separate I with a brain superimposed on this already tacit life living itself by itself alone?

It also occurred to me; how could a brain come into existence at all, how could ''no thing'' build a fully functioning human or animal brain from scratch? this tells me the brain is not what we think it is at all, I mean it's just a piece of flesh and blood.

From this perspective it could be said that the brain doesn't belong to us, in that it was already here before we became aware we existed...lol..
I know this instinctively, that I am a supposition imposed upon tacit reality.

That's really weird, knowing our brain doesn't belong to us.

This also means that we have no knowledge that we can call our own, and that anything we do claim to know would not be the same as direct knowing, since direct knowing would be tacit knowing.

According to Prof Donald Hoffman... Brains, cause none of our perceptual experiences, and none of our behaviour.

Would love some of your thoughts and feedback on this subject, thanks.

curious soul
9th April 2016, 12:45
Found this rather interesting article which may support the theory that solidity is not actual reality and that actual reality is formless.
We have been taught to believe the opposite is true. And I understand that this was so we could make sense of our environment and the world we perceive around us that feels and looks solid.

https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!msg/online_sadhu_sanga/qGKzMVXdzjY/ha-44DYkLiIJ

bsbray
9th April 2016, 17:23
Would it be true to say that as an apparent individual sense of self; we are believed to have our own unique brain embedded inside our skull that appears to direct our own unique path as we journey through a life we believe began at our birth and will end at our death.

On the other hand; would it be more true to say, we do not have a brain rather, we are the brain.?

That would be the materialist/atheist way of seeing things I suppose. Though science can't measure a "soul" lots of people still suspect there's something beyond neural activity, and some meditators say they know there is.


And when a human being thinks it is the one using it's brain...is that exactly true, or is that the illusion of separate I with a brain superimposed on this already tacit life living itself by itself alone?

It also occurred to me; how could a brain come into existence at all, how could ''no thing'' build a fully functioning human or animal brain from scratch? this tells me the brain is not what we think it is at all, I mean it's just a piece of flesh and blood.

These are interesting thoughts and remind me of Robert Anton Wilson talking about how our bodies are just "hardware," and the "software" (consciousness) permeates the entire universe and our hardware just picks it up as if it's an antenna.

A slightly related thought: Even if "the universe" only consists of things that we can physically see and experience, then it's not only made of stars, planets, nebulae, etc., but is also made of human beings and other life forms which can think and feel and are conscious. If the universe has produced its own consciousness and intelligent beings then why couldn't we say that the universe itself is conscious and intelligent? After all we are part of the universe too and we are conscious. People just tend to see the universe as "out there," something external and separate, with our skin as the dividing line, when really there is no way of justifying that. We are intimately connected to our environment in just about every way.

We may be the eyes and the ears of the universe, giving it a chance to look at itself, but that still means that the universe is conscious. And to realize this is to make the universe self-aware. :)

curious soul
9th April 2016, 19:30
That would be the materialist/atheist way of seeing things I suppose. Though science can't measure a "soul" lots of people still suspect there's something beyond neural activity, and some meditators say they know there is.

Yes, I agree, just as there is a knowing that knows how to function, like how the sperm knows to swim to the ovum and the body knows how to give birth to a baby. This knowing is not the same as human knowledge or knowing something explicitly. Difficult to transfer an innate sense of knowing like telepathy which would be beyond ordinary sensory understanding to another human being.




These are interesting thoughts and remind me of Robert Anton Wilson talking about how our bodies are just "hardware," and the "software" (consciousness) permeates the entire universe and our hardware just picks it up as if it's an antenna.
Yeah, a biological computer. The brain doesn't actually do anything except receive, sort, and compare incoming data until recognition takes place and out pops the thought of 'me' we are a digitally composed sent entity picked up by the brain from an all encompassing permeating universal information field or we could call it an infinite living mind.
God only knows how this phenomena ever got off it's own springboard.


A slightly related thought: Even if "the universe" only consists of things that we can physically see and experience, then it's not only made of stars, planets, nebulae, etc., but is also made of human beings and other life forms which can think and feel and are conscious. If the universe has produced its own consciousness and intelligent beings then why couldn't we say that the universe itself is conscious and intelligent? After all we are part of the universe too and we are conscious. People just tend to see the universe as "out there," something external and separate, with our skin as the dividing line, when really there is no way of justifying that. We are intimately connected to our environment in just about every way.

We may be the eyes and the ears of the universe, giving it a chance to look at itself, but that still means that the universe is conscious. And to realize this is to make the universe self-aware. :)

Yes, and why on earth we are not taught this in school is shocking. Can you imagine how different we would see ourself and the world if we were told we are fundamentally unified consciousness and not the separate body. I remember school bored me half to death, everything about school seemed so fake, I instinctively knew I was being lied to.

Dreamtimer
10th April 2016, 14:05
What we're taught in school...who determines curriculum...what are the desired outcomes...It's a mess from what I can see. But education clearly is for the purpose of molding and shaping, not open, free exploration of knowledge. There just isn't the time and money for that.

Education is often about picking a school of thought and then becoming a specialist. It's a narrowing of focus rather than a broadening. I guess it shouldn't be a surprise that we're so separated in how we think and believe.

I personally believe that consciousness exists as a form of energy and is expressed and experienced in a special and unique way in the brain. But the brain certainly isn't the source. :scrhd::tea::crazy::meditating: