Greenland Theory / History Lesson

[Aianawa]

Came upon this while exploring theory of gunpowder use anciently ( Beaumont's book and We The Skythians ) and been reading non stoppish since, enjoyable and interesting. Research buffs delight.

https://sites.google.com/site/greenlandtheory/

[Aianawa]

Is this old news as such to most here or too false or something, as I felt many would find it interesting.

[Dreamtimer]

I don't know much about David Chase Taylor. I see he runs Truther.org. I am actually not very familiar with his work though I've heard of him. His websites are pretty extensive. He says the CIA has a home in Switzerland. He also says the predictions at Truther.org have foiled many impending 'terrorist' attacks. I imagine he was discussed here at some point. A search revealed nothing.

[Aianawa]

Similar here DT, heard the name before, so far from reading there is known truth with unproven truth and for me anyways, a mystery, Greenland and the three rowman periods, two rowemen periods being hidden, gunpowerder use as seen in other material, Beaumont etc and some alternative history that can make sense, sorta lol.

[Aianawa]

Here is some of the ancient gunpowerder material >


GREENLANDTHEORY.COM
Gunpowder is a mix of sulfur, charcoal, and potassium nitrate which was (and is) used in various thermal weapons, including but not limited to the fire lance, the cannon, the hand cannon, and the gun. Although gunpowder along with the compass are touted as two of the Four Great Inventions of China, the compass rose and its four Cardinal directions are admittedly the creation of the Greco-Romans so there’s a rather high probability that they invented gunpowder and the cannon (i.e., Greek Fire) as well. In all likelihood, guns and gunpowder were developed on the Island of Rhodes by its inhabitants known as the Telchines who were known as excellent metallurgists and metal workers skilled in brass and iron. The Telchines are alleged to have produced the first chemical weapon when they created a mixture of Stygian water and sulfur which subsequently killed both animals and plants. The term “sulfur” (S+L+F+R) acronymically translated equates to “Sale Four” or “Sale Fire”, an apparent reference to Roman gunpowder as well as the four-pronged Roman Cross which adorned the sales of Roman ships. Because the letters of “S” and “C are routinely switched in Roman English, the term “C4” (which is jargon for explosives) can also be read as “S4”, a reference to “Sale Fire” or “sulfur”. Coincidentally, “S4” is also depicted on the flag of Rome which features the term “SPФR” (S/+F/P+R). If the Chinese had invented gunpowder as alleged, it would stand to reason that they would have been able to defeat the invading gunpowder-less Greco-Roman Empire, but this was not the case. The fact that a Victoria Harbor is found in Hong Kong, China, implies that the Romans defeated the Chinese and subsequently named the harbor after Victoria, the Roman goddess of victory. Gun as in gunpowder was likely derived from the term “genesis”, meaning the “beginning of something”. Both “gun”-powder and “gun” were likely given their respective names because they marked the beginning of the Greco-Roman Empire’s unmatched militarial supremacy and thier victory over all mankind (i.e., "The Big Bang Theory"). Over time, these weapons enabled Rome to conquer the entire world, Greenland included which was full of giants much larger and stronger than the Romans. The notion that the Romans invented gunpowder is curiously depicted in the book “Gunpowder Empire” (2003), a so-called “alternate history” novel by Harry Turtledove. The storyline takes place in an alternate timeline in which the Roman Empire never collapsed and has advanced to the point of inventing gunpowder.

Biblical Gunpowder
Because the Bible is the allegorical and metaphorical history of the Roman Empire, it includes 14 references to brimstone (i.e., sulfur), a vital ingredient of gunpowder (i.e., Greek Fire). Consequently, a majority of these verses contain cannon-like attributes such as smoke, fire and hailstones (i.e., hellstones) which are a result of God’s (i.e., Greenland of Denmark) judgment and wrath (e.g., Genesis 19:24 (“brimstone and fire from the Lord in heaven”); Deuteronomy 29:23 (“brimstone, and salt, and burning”); Psalm 11:6 (“fire and brimstone”); Ezekiel 38:22 (“great hailstones, fire, and brimstone”); Luke 17:29 (“it rained first and brimstone”): Revelation 9:17 (“fire and smoke and brimstone); and Revelation 9:18 (“killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone”). Acronymically speaking, “brimstone” (B+R+S+T+N) can be translated to mean “Babylon Rome Stone”, a possible reference to the cannonball. Greco-Roman cannons are evidently also depicted in the Bible in reference to Canaan (i.e., Greenland), although they are called “hornets”, likely due to the buzzing noise produced by flying cannonballs. Aside from Exodus 23:28 which states, “And I will send hornets before thee, which shall drive out the Hivite, the Canaanite, and the Hittite, from before thee”, two other Bible verses depict hornets as a destroyer which is stronger than the sword and the bow (i.e., Deuteronomy 7:20 (“Moreover the Lord thy God will send the hornet among them, until they that are left, and hide themselves from thee, be destroyed”) and Joshua 24:12 (“And I sent the hornet before you, which drove them out from before you, even the two kings of the Amorites; but not with thy sword, nor with thy bow”). The genocide inflicted on Canaan by Greco-Roman cannons appears to be documented in Psalm 106:38 which states: “And shed innocent blood, even the blood of their sons and of their daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan: and the land was polluted with blood.” Interestingly, “cannon fodder” is a derogatory term for enemy combatants who treated as expendables in the face of superior fire power. The term is generally used in situations where combatants are forced to deliberately fight against hopeless odds (with the foreknowledge that they will suffer extremely high casualties) in an effort to achieve a strategic goal. Cannon fodder derived from fodder, as food for livestock. In essence, soldiers are the metaphorical food for enemy cannon fire.

Roman Gunpowder
The first documentation of gunpowder (i.e., Greek Fire) in European history is in Roger Bacon's "De Nullitate Magiæ" (1216 A.D.) which was published at Oxford University. Bacon later elaborated on gunpowder in his book entitled "Opus Maior" (1248 A.D.) which depicted a recipe for gunpowder along with a personal account of its destructive nature: “We can, with saltpeter and other substances, compose artificially a fire that can be launched over long distances...By only using a very small quantity of this material much light can be created accompanied by a horrible fracas. It is possible with it to destroy a town or an army... In order to produce this artificial lightning and thunder it is necessary to take saltpeter, sulfur, and Luru Vopo Vir Can Utriet.” Another European account of gunpowder is found in the Norwegian educational text entitled “Konungs Skuggsjá” (1259) which states that the use of "coal and sulphur" (i.e., gunpowder) was the best weapon for ship-to-ship combat. Because 1300 years (i.e., “The Dark Ages”) were added to the new Gregorian calendar after the Roman Empire relocated to Greenland in c. 000, the aforementioned dates in respect to European gunpowder, may stand at 84 B.C. (Bacon), 52 B.C. (Bacon), and 41 B.C. (Konungs Skuggsjá), respectively. The dates, once adjusted, would infer that Roman gunpowder preceded Chinese gunpowder by roughly 700 years.

Order of the Dragon
The Order of the Dragon is historically touted as a monarchical chivalric order which required its members to defend the cross and fight the enemies of Christianity.It was purportedly founded on December 12, 1408, by Sigismund, a Holy Roman Emperor, and his queen, Barbara of Celje. Modelled after the Order of St. George, the Order of the Dragon adopted St. George as its patron saint. St. George’s legendary defeat of a dragon is cited as the origin of the Order’s name and symbology. However, in reality, the Order of the Dragon was responsible for manning a fleet of ships which encircled Greenland on behalf of the Roman Empire. The Order’s name in Latin is “Societas Draconistarum”. The term “Draconistarum” (D+R+C/K+N/X+S+T+R+M), acronymically and/or consonantly equates to “Dragon State Rome”. This is because Greenland, home to the Roman Empire, was fully encircled by the hundreds of fire-breathing ships which physically looked like dragons. The naval blockade was instituted to keep Greenland safe from any and all ships traveling northward. Consequently, with advances in seafaring, namely the invention of the submarine, the Order vanished in the late 15th century.

Statute of 1408
The only surviving item from the Order of the Dragon is a copy of its alleged statute that was reportedly made in 1707 and published in 1841. The prologue to these statutes from 1408 state that the society was created: “…In company with the prelates, barons, and magnates of our kingdom, whom we invite to participate with us in this party, by reason of the sign and effigy of our pure inclination and intention to crush the pernicious deeds of the same perfidious Enemy, and of the followers of the ancient Dragon, and (as one would expect) of the pagan knights, schismatics, and other nations of the Orthodox faith, and those envious of the Cross of Christ, and of our kingdoms, and of his holy and saving religion of faith, under the banner of the triumphant Cross of Christ…” The phrase “to crush the pernicious deeds of the same perfidious Enemy” is quite telling. Firstly, the term “same perfidious Enemy “suggests that there is an ongoing—possibly eternal—struggle, not a just mere battle or war. This is likely indicative of the 13 Bloodlines of Rome who have sworn eternal war on the underworld. Secondly, the term “Enemy” is capitalized which suggests that it’s personal. “Enemy” (N+M) consonantly equates to “Name”, a term which may infer that no matter what a person or country’s respective name is, they are a sworn enemy of Rome. Lastly, the “Cross of Christ” is a reference to both the “cross”-ing over to the other side of the Earth, and the “Christ”, “crest” or “crust” of the Earth, otherwise known as Greenland.


Dragon Mythology & Symbology
In Norse mythology, Jörmungandr was a giant sea serpent that surrounded Miðgarð (i.e., Greenland) the world of mortal men. He grew so large that he was able to surround the earth and grasp his own tail. As a result, he received the name of the Midgard Serpent or World Serpent. This particular Norse myth appears to be a reference to Greco-Roman dragon ships which previously encircled Greenland to protect it from both discovery and invasion. These dragon ship encircling the core of the Earth are symbolized in Greek mythology by Caduceus, the staff carried by Hermes, and the Rod of Asclepius wielded by the Greek god Asclepius. Consequently, Greco-Roman dragons are depicted on the flags and coat or arms of Spain (were dragon ships were likely first invented or used in battle) and the nations of England, Iceland, Norway and Wales, the four closest countries to Greenland. Dragon-related symbology and vexillology includes but is not limited to: the Royal Badge of Wales (1953); flag of Wales (1953-1959); the current flag of Wales; the flag of the Welsh colony in Patagonia; and the flag of Somerset County, England. Dragons are also found within the coat of arms of Iceland; the coat of arms of the Russian Federation; the coat of arms of Generalitat Valenciana, Spain; the coat of arms of Valencian Community, Spain; the coat of arms of Stjørdal, Norway; the coat of arms of Leicester, England; the coat of arms of the Aragonese Monarchs; the coat of arms of the Duke of Marlborough; and the coat of arms of Peter IV of Aragon.







Greek Fire
The chemical compound Sulfur was known for its use in ancient Greece as well as in “Greek Fire”, an allegedly liquid oil-like fire weapon (i.e., a flamethrower) which was routinely used by the early Greeks in war. In short, the substance known as Greek Fire appears to be an allegorical reference for the Greco-Roman Empire’s top secret weapon which consisted of both gunpowder and cannon. According to modern historical accounts, “Greek Fire recipes continued to be developed over the centuries, and by the High Middle Ages was much more sophisticated than the early versions. Saltpetre (also called "Chinese salt") was added to the mixture in the Islamic world, and China developed a dry saltpetre mixture in the 12th century, which eventually became gunpowder.” In other words, gunpowder was behind Greek Fire all along. Considering that warring ships were subject to various forms of weather, fluctuating waves and winds, and rapid changes in distance and sea level, the very notion of a highly projectable and highly flammable liquid-like substance which was not subjectable to blowback makes the current definition of Greek Fire theoretically impossible. Because Greek ships were made of wood, cloth and rope, they would have suffered terribly from Greek Fire as it was unpredictable, unstable, and unquenchable, ultimately making its use in maritime battle highly risky and highly unlikely. Based on its given name of “Greek Fire”, it can be deduced that it was in fact invented by the Greco-Roman Empire. Consequently, Greek Fire was also known as "Roman Fire" and was admittedly used by the Roman Empire to great effect in naval battles. This notion of the Roman cannon is reflected in the term “Roman Candle”, a thermal weapon which repeatedly ejects exploding shells. Considering that the language of Rome was English, it stands to reason that terms associated with its greatest weapon would not have changed over time. That is why even today, one “fires” a cannon and “fires” a gun, direct semantic references to the original Greek Fire.




Greek Fire Cannons
If Greek Fire was in fact a liquid oil-like substance that was projected out through the use of a tubular projector (i.e., a “siphōn") by man-made air pressure as historically alleged, there would be no “loud roar that accompanied its discharge”. The modern term for this loud roar is known as “cannon fire”, as a large blast of fire is projected out of the mouth of a cannon when fired. A cannon-like description is even found in the historical records of the 13th-century when "Greek Fire" was reportedly used by the Saracens against the Crusaders. The account, which is found in the Memoirs of the John, Lord of Joinville, Seneschal of Champagne during the Seventh Crusade, clearly states that “... the tail of fire that trailed behind it was as big as a great spear; and it made such a noise as it came, that it sounded like the thunder of heaven”. It looked like a dragon flying through the air. Such a bright light did it cast, that one could see all over the camp as though it were day, by reason of the great mass of fire, and the brilliance of the light that it shed.” What was witnessed by the Lord of Joinville in respect to Greek Fire bears all the earmarks of a cannon, including the tail of fire, the spear like projection, the thunderous boom, and of course the bright light which was shed once the cannonball exploded. In other words, if it looks like a canon, acts like a cannon, and sounds like a cannon, it’s probably a canon. Interestingly, in Greek mythology, Zeus is the god of sky and thunder who is generally depicted with a lightning bolt in his hand, an apparent reference to Greek Fire. Interestingly, a cannon is depicted in the logo of Arsenal Football Club, an English Premier League football club based in Holloway, London.




Secret of Greek Fire
The discovery of Greek Fire was “ascribed to divine intervention” and therefore was a closely guarded state secret whose composition was conveniently “lost forever”. Consequently, the Greco-Roman Empire did everything in their power to hide their new “super weapon” which was basically able to destroy any rival ship or fleet lacking the same firepower. The most obvious precaution taken was to enclose the Greek Fire apparatus (i.e., the cannon) within the head of a dragon so that when the cannon was fired all the enemy was able to observe was a dragon spitting fire. Regardless of the precautions took, a ship carrying Greek Fire was reportedly captured by the Arabs (most likely Iran) in 827 A.D., although there is no evidence which suggests they were able to reverse engineer it. The fact that the secret of Greek Fire was never made public until the entire world was under the command and control of the Greco-Roman Empire further confirms that the historical eras known as “Ancient Greece”, “Ancient Rome” and “Byzantine Empire” where just consecutive chapters in the continuous rule of the “Line of Man”. In other words, had any of the aforementioned empires ever been truly conquered, the secret of Greek Fire would have come out a lot sooner.





Dragon Fire
The myth pertaining to fire breathing dragons appears to have been derived from Greco-Roman war ships who fired their secret cannons out of the mouths of scary looking creatures (i.e., dragons). According to historian Anna Komnene (1083 A.D. – 1153 A.D.), a Greek princess, scholar, physician, and the daughter of Emperor Alexios I Komnenos of Byzantium, beast-shaped Greek Fire projectors were mounted to the bow of warships: “As he [the Emperor Alexios I] knew that the Pisans were skilled in sea warfare and dreaded a battle with them, on the prow of each ship he had a head fixed of a lion or other land-animal, made in brass or iron with the mouth open and then gilded over, so that their mere aspect was terrifying. And the fire which was to be directed against the enemy through tubes he made to pass through the mouths of the beasts, so that it seemed as if the lions and the other similar monsters were vomiting the fire.” Coincidentally, there are two Bible verses which appear to describe “brimstone” (i.e., “Greek Fire”) emanating from the mouths of beasts as previously depicted by Komnene. The first verse is Revelation 9:17 which states: “And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.” The second verse is Revelation 9:18 which states: “By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.” This is likely why Greco-Roman Viking ships were notoriously known to be outfitted with dragon heads for they hid the Greek Fire within. Interestingly, the flag of Tynwald, the parliament of the Isle of Man (the oldest continuously governing body in the underworld), features a Greco-Roman Dragon ship along with what appear to be Vikings.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragons_in_Greek_mythology

Greek Dragons
Dragons are legendary in European folklore and mythology as they are found in nearly all cultures and countries. European dragons are typically depicted as being extremely large, fire-breathing, scaly, lizard-like creatures which have leathery bat-like wings, legs, and a tail. The popularity of dragons in Europe is no coincidence for essentially all of Europe was conquered by fire breathing Greco-Roman dragons (i.e., cannon bearing war ships). Although the term “dragon” was allegedly derived from the Draco constellation (which looks like a dragon’s head when turned 180°), it is far more likely that Draco and the numerous myths and legends surrounding dragons were derived from Greco-Roman warships which featured large dragon heads that spit cannon fire. Although there are numerous serpents and dragons in Greek mythology, they all appear to have been derived from the personification of various fire breathing war ships. Similar to planes and ships today, Greco-Roman Empire ships took on names and mythical personalities, especially in respect to their fire-breathing dragon heads, wing-like sails, scaly-like armor, and oar-like legs. For example, Ladon was a Greek dragon with as many as one hundred heads (i.e., cannons) which encircled the Garden of the Hesperides and guarded the Golden Apples. The Lernaean Hydra was a water dragon with fatally venomous breath who was said to have anywhere between five and 100 heads (i.e., cannons). For each head cut off, one or two more grew back in its place. It also had an immortal head which would remain alive after it was cut off, a likely reference to back-up cannons. Lastly, Typhon was known as the "Father of All Monsters" and was described in the pseudo-Apollodorus “Bibliotheke” as the largest and most fearsome of all dragons. His upper half reached as high as the stars and he had as many as one hundred dragon heads (i.e., cannons) which erupted from his neck and shoulders. His whole body was covered in wings (i.e., sails), and fire (i.e., cannon fire) flashed from his eyes, striking fear even into the Olympians.






Dragon Mythology & Symbology
In Norse mythology, Jörmungandr was a giant sea serpent that surrounded Miðgarð (i.e., Greenland) the world of mortal men. He grew so large that he was able to surround the earth and grasp his own tail. As a result, he received the name of the Midgard Serpent or World Serpent. This particular Norse myth appears to be a reference to Greco-Roman dragon ships which previously encircled Greenland to protect it from both discovery and invasion. Consequently, Greco-Roman dragons are depicted on the flags and coat or arms of Spain (were dragon ships were likely first invented or used in battle) and the nations of England, Iceland, Norway and Wales, the four closest countries to Greenland. Dragon-related symbology includes but is not limited to: the flag of Wales; the flag of Somerset County, England; the coat of arms of Iceland; the coat of arms of the Russian Federation; the coat of arms of Generalitat Valenciana, Spain; the coat of arms of Valencian Community, Spain; the coat of arms of Stjørdal, Norway; the coat of arms of Leicester, England, and the coat of arms and flag of Moscow, Russia. Dragons are also found on the coat of arms of Aragonese Monarchs; the coat of arms of the Duke of Marlborough; the coat of arms of Peter IV of Aragon; the coat of arms of Midland Railway in England; as well as the Welsh rugby teams entitled the Newport Gwent Dragons and the Cardiff City Blue Dragons. A dragon is also found in the logo of Alpha Romeo, an Italian car manufacturer, and in the logo of Vauxhall Motors, a Swedish car manufaturer.




Greek Fire Propaganda
In order to celebrate Greek Fire (i.e., gunpowder and the cannon) while simultaneously misleading the world about the true identity of the secret weapon, a number of recent feature films, television shows, video games and novels depict Greek Fire a fiery liquid-like substance, which it was obviously was not. Mass media accounts of Greek Fire include but are not limited to: Films: “Timeline” (2003); and “Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides” (2011) — a naval weapon used by the pirate Blackbeard; TV Shows: “Fantastic Four” (1994) — Greek Fire was used in the episode "The Mask of Doom, Part III" to thwart the Persians (i.e., the Iranians) and Dr. Doom (a reference to Greenland which is located in the dome of the Earth); “Robin Hood” (2006) — Greek Fire was called “Byzantine Fire”; and “Copper” (2012) — a self-igniting liquid was referred to as "Greek Fire" in Season 1 Episodes 7-11; Novels: “Percy Jackson & the Olympians” (2005-2009) and “The Heroes of Olympus” (2010-2014) — references to Greek Fire are found throughout both series of the popular Greco-Roman-based novels; Video Games: Medieval II: Total War: Kingdoms” (2007) and “Assassin's Creed: Revelations” (2011); and Novels: “Timeline” (1999) by Michael Crichton — features both an academic discussion and medieval demonstration of Greek Fire; and "The Technologists" (2012) by Matthew Pearl — Greek Fire plays a part in the saving the city of Boston from destruction.

[Aianawa]

To be honest, I expected more talk, debate, questioning etc about site content and data, maybe the lack of interest is a forum reply in itself, cheers.

[Aianawa]

So and such interesting times indeed that we live in, three aspects ATM that I find mightyly intriguing, is Vanguard / we the skythians \ and Green land theory, all huge in there totally differing history timelines and tptW veiling.

Someone help me here, why no fellow rabbit hole venturers, all three aspects have huge truth ramifications, even if disinformation were held within. ? ? ? ? ?

[Aianawa]

I don't know much about David Chase Taylor. I see he runs Truther.org. I am actually not very familiar with his work though I've heard of him. His websites are pretty extensive. He says the CIA has a home in Switzerland. He also says the predictions at Truther.org have foiled many impending 'terrorist' attacks. I imagine he was discussed here at some point. A search revealed nothing.

Yes it is interesting that there is no feedback on this fella, here, Dreamtimer.If any of his Rome material is factual, Wow.

[Aianawa]

https://truthernews.wordpress.com/2016/06/05/isis-attack-on-america-imminent-june-5-2016-cia-likely-plotting-ramadan-inspired-june-6-2016-made-for-tv-isis-attack-andor-invasion-of-america-canada-andor-south-america/

Not been to his site for some time and felt to see if he had any inkling of Orlando silliness.

[bsbray]

I find a lot of this stuff interesting Aianawa but I get the feeling that a lot of these themes (invented Dark Ages, related cultures, more technology in the past, etc.) is better explained by Fomenko's work with the New Chronology than what this guy is saying. There are a few reasons I say this, which I will explain below.

The first reason is, what he is claiming would require a gargantuan amount of research that is hard to fathom, in order to make so many claims about such a wide range of history as hard and fast as he does. This guy looks like he's in his 30's-40's. By comparison, Fomenko has been researching his New Chronology for about as long as this guy has been alive (since the 1970's), with a team of colleagues at Moscow State University and help from elsewhere, and though they reach similar conclusions about a few things, they are much more cautious about saying "this is definitely what happened." Being very honest and transparent about the nature of the evidence, what we do know and don't know, is very important for academic integrity.

The second reason is, I can't find any clear methodology by which he has reached the conclusions that he has. His favorite source seems to be Wikipedia, but he doesn't cite independent sources for most of specific facts that he claims. He just links to Wikipedia articles for various words and names in his articles. This is not only bad research practice but it means anyone trying to actually verify his conclusions would have to do his research all over again just because he was too lazy to list his sources as he found them. Again, to compare with Fomenko, the bibliography for his History: Science or Fiction? series contains references to about 1,500 books, articles, papers, etc., and he tells you on exactly what page to find the information he is citing. That way you don't have to try to redo his research from scratch to see that he really did find all of this information from credible sources. This is what all good researchers are trained to do. Without that I basically have to take the guy on his word and I'm not prepared to do that.

The third reason is that Fomenko and his colleagues not only cite their sources but lay out a very compelling argument in detail, step by step, in their books. It's clear what can be safely concluded and what is still speculative, because there is transparency and honesty with what evidence is available and how it is interpreted. Fomenko and his colleagues also use an unusual methodology that they go over in detail, statistical analysis of primary source texts, that in itself is also very compelling. This is where they compare the lengths of reigns of rulers from various periods as well as the relative amount of literary material dedicated to specific periods and events, and find that certain periods are "mirror images" or duplications of other periods of history. The duplications are most likely based on fairly recent events, for example from around the 1300's to 1500's, and then erroneously dated (with changes of names and places -- easily accomplished by borrowing versions from other languages and cultures) to much earlier periods. This is a better documented and more satisfactory explanation as far as I'm concerned, and explains many of the same things. Researching what was actually covered up by all of this would probably explain just about everything else, given that there is enough surviving evidence.

[Novusod]

Here is some of the ancient gunpowerder material >


GREENLANDTHEORY.COM

Greek Fire
The chemical compound Sulfur was known for its use in ancient Greece as well as in “Greek Fire”, an allegedly liquid oil-like fire weapon (i.e., a flamethrower) which was routinely used by the early Greeks in war. In short, the substance known as Greek Fire appears to be an allegorical reference for the Greco-Roman Empire’s top secret weapon which consisted of both gunpowder and cannon. According to modern historical accounts, “Greek Fire recipes continued to be developed over the centuries, and by the High Middle Ages was much more sophisticated than the early versions. Saltpetre (also called "Chinese salt") was added to the mixture in the Islamic world, and China developed a dry saltpetre mixture in the 12th century, which eventually became gunpowder.” In other words, gunpowder was behind Greek Fire all along. Considering that warring ships were subject to various forms of weather, fluctuating waves and winds, and rapid changes in distance and sea level, the very notion of a highly projectable and highly flammable liquid-like substance which was not subjectable to blowback makes the current definition of Greek Fire theoretically impossible. Because Greek ships were made of wood, cloth and rope, they would have suffered terribly from Greek Fire as it was unpredictable, unstable, and unquenchable, ultimately making its use in maritime battle highly risky and highly unlikely. Based on its given name of “Greek Fire”, it can be deduced that it was in fact invented by the Greco-Roman Empire. Consequently, Greek Fire was also known as "Roman Fire" and was admittedly used by the Roman Empire to great effect in naval battles. This notion of the Roman cannon is reflected in the term “Roman Candle”, a thermal weapon which repeatedly ejects exploding shells. Considering that the language of Rome was English, it stands to reason that terms associated with its greatest weapon would not have changed over time. That is why even today, one “fires” a cannon and “fires” a gun, direct semantic references to the original Greek Fire.


I would like to focus just on this point for a second and this little piece of evidence.

This isn't a Roman painting but it is based off of a Greek myth painted in 1610 called Venus disarms Mars. Notice anything out of place here? Cannon and guns thrown around. This was painted before the great rewriting of history by Joseph Scaliger and his goons. The painter obviously believed the Greeks had cannons and guns.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/01/46/fa/0146fad29a1ca9ef8a86290ea14987f4.jpg

Just something to consider.

[ZShawn]

with all the revisionist history inundating the web these days one has to wonder....... of course every religious institution on the planet is peddling lies and every official narrative of the historical timeline is a bill of goods sold by unscrupulous ..."used-car salesman types" to further agendas..... so when honest researchers appear and ask pertinent questions and tug at sketchy threads in the tapestry of ..."truth" which is being represented to humanity...and then one sees a barrage response of ...other ideas...then one really has to wonder even more.
Personally, Fomenko appears to be more rational in many of his propositions, ....although everyone goes out on a limb eventually..... but he points out many obvious discrepancies in the official story.

[Novusod]

with all the revisionist history inundating the web these days one has to wonder....... of course every religious institution on the planet is peddling lies and every official narrative of the historical timeline is a bill of goods sold by unscrupulous ..."used-car salesman types" to further agendas..... so when honest researchers appear and ask pertinent questions and tug at sketchy threads in the tapestry of ..."truth" which is being represented to humanity...and then one sees a barrage response of ...other ideas...then one really has to wonder even more.
Personally, Fomenko appears to be more rational in many of his propositions, ....although everyone goes out on a limb eventually..... but he points out many obvious discrepancies in the official story.

Fomenko maybe a special case in that he appeared at just right time during the soviet collapse. It is doubtful he would be able to say the things he did in soviet times nor would he be able to get his book published today if he were just starting out. BUT during the in between time after the fall of communism and the rise of the modern Russian state things were in a bit of disarray for over a decade. In this chaotic period there were no quackademics to silence Fomenko. Independent researchers could actually say things and not get attacked. Because Fomenko's works were exclusively in Russian he kind of slipped under the radar of Western academia and was able to do his work with out interference. Modern alternative researchers don't have the same luxury especially if they are trying to publish in the English language. As soon as a researcher deviates from the official history they are attacked and discredited.

I have a lot of respect for David Chase Taylor because he is working in a much more hostile environment than Fomenko. To make changes in the official history one has to step out of line and that comes with certain risks. If you are not a ditto head in the echo chamber then as a researcher they can have their credentials and grants revoked and be black listed from publishing. The fact that he is still standing despite their attacks tells me that he has rock solid case against the official history. They did the same thing to Zachariah Sitchin and somehow still got his book published. These couple of researchers are the exception to the rule. Most just don't have the persistence or the gumption to take on the entire academic establishment. Sometimes I feel the only way we are going to get the truth out is if America goes through a soviet style collapse. Only then will the quackademics disappear for a while and other researchers given a chance to speak.

[bsbray]

Fomenko maybe a special case in that he appeared at just right time during the soviet collapse. It is doubtful he would be able to say the things he did in soviet times nor would he be able to get his book published today if he were just starting out.

That's a good point. He actually details in his first book how his work was suppressed by the Soviets in the early 80's. They had the printing of one of his works stopped, but later as the USSR began to weaken he got his publications out. In fact when other people at Moscow State University discovered what he and his mathematician colleagues were up to, analyzing historical texts in this way, they began to publish harsh criticisms before anyone had even so much as published an article or paper about their findings. The history department at MSU wanted him censured and thrown out, but fortunately he's a very well-known and respected mathematician.

I also have to agree with ZShawn about how "everyone goes out on a limb eventually." Where the raw data stops, the interpretation starts, and that's where Fomenko begins to try to reconstruct a global history that is not always very compelling. But historians are trained in one thing and mathematicians another. He has still done an enormous amount of homework even in historiography.

[modwiz]

I will not go out on a limb and say that Fomenko is correct about all his data but, both reason/logic and a certain 'ancestral memory' tell me he is generally correct, at the least. Applying a Russophile filter is helpful and easy. I do not begrudge him his love for the culture he arose from.

[Novusod]

I have been doing a bit more research on the Greenland theory and supposedly the mountains look like they have been strip mined by ancient civilization.

Greenland's Watkins mountains:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/7a/99/66/7a9966be9e9879760992396c357e7647.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/18/9e/f7/189ef76f2bd314a5e4def22fe7a9d29d.jpg


For comparison modern strip mining: (Below)
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/aa/64/11/aa6411d1c370ac32533102a31943f537.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/a9/01/e9/a901e9f8ab54566ef2d50dc6683b6f8d.jpg

Very interesting.

[Elen]

This is shedding light on those ancient "scratch marks", thanks.

[Aianawa]

Interesting, also when they talk about protecting Greenland, now and back in time, anyone got or heard thoughts on this ?.

[modwiz]

Greenland was a green land during the Medieval Warming period.

[Aianawa]

Excuse my ignorance, that timeline is ?.

[modwiz]

800-1400 AD for some 950-1100 for others. It was warmer than current temperatures. There is some serious "sophistry" from the proponents of official climate claims. That is those who support a carbon tax.

[Cearna]

I have been doing a bit more research on the Greenland theory and supposedly the mountains look like they have been strip mined by ancient civilization.

Greenland's Watkins mountains:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/7a/99/66/7a9966be9e9879760992396c357e7647.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/18/9e/f7/189ef76f2bd314a5e4def22fe7a9d29d.jpg


For comparison modern strip mining: (Below)
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/aa/64/11/aa6411d1c370ac32533102a31943f537.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/a9/01/e9/a901e9f8ab54566ef2d50dc6683b6f8d.jpg

Very interesting.Could not these lines on the mountains just be the marks of various levels of glacial interaction over extremely long periods of time. I live in one of those old glacial valleys - here the land has been eroded away over aeons of time since the glaciers, and only small mountain ranges remain, but if the land is cooler and ice stays , but during cyclical times of warmth, then cold, higher or lower levels will at different times be exposed, not to mention volcanic activity throughout the world at different times. As we know volcanic activity from super volcanoes can change climatic conditions, globally for quite long periods of time, enough to alter the levels of surface ice at the time.

[Aianawa]

Your theory may be more plausible Cearna. My interest is why Rome made this it's third base, what reason, it's surrounds ?, location etc

[bsbray]

Your theory may be more plausible Cearna. My interest is why Rome made this it's third base, what reason, it's surrounds ?, location etc

Before asking all of that, I'd be asking why anyone has become so convinced in the first place that this was "Rome's" "third base." Just because a guy said so on a blog and linked to some Wikipedia articles? I must be missing a few pieces here.

I don't think you'll ever find a reason why, because it doesn't make sense to begin with. If the Roman empire is a duplication of the medieval Holy Roman Empire (as I have become convinced that it is, based on Fomenko's work), then there was no collapse of the "Roman Empire" until the Holy Roman Empire was finally put under by Napoleon. That was only about 200 years ago. Does it look like any big Roman capitals were built on Greenland 200 years ago? Maybe there were and I just missed it.

If there was any mining in Greenland on that scale, and it's not from the modern era, then you'd have to go way, way back, beyond the historical period. But it could also be natural as Cearna says. Someone with some knowledge of geology would have to go dig around and look at these mountains in more detail, and maybe even take samples of the surface rock.

[modwiz]

Before asking all of that, I'd be asking why anyone has become so convinced in the first place that this was "Rome's" "third base." Just because a guy said so on a blog and linked to some Wikipedia articles? I must be missing a few pieces here.

I don't think you'll ever find a reason why, because it doesn't make sense to begin with. If the Roman empire is a duplication of the medieval Holy Roman Empire (as I have become convinced that it is, based on Fomenko's work), then there was no collapse of the "Roman Empire" until the Holy Roman Empire was finally put under by Napoleon. That was only about 200 years ago. Does it look like any big Roman capitals were built on Greenland 200 years ago? Maybe there were and I just missed it.

If there was any mining in Greenland on that scale, and it's not from the modern era, then you'd have to go way, way back, beyond the historical period. But it could also be natural as Cearna says. Someone with some knowledge of geology would have to go dig around and look at these mountains in more detail, and maybe even take samples of the surface rock.

The Islamic scholar, Sheik Imran Hosein, states his eschatology says Moscow was the third Rome, or Rhum is the Koran. He also said it took him a while to see that but, once "seen" he is convinced of it and sees support for it both in the Koran and in the way the world is moving. He sees the Eastern Orthodox as the legitimate Christians because they have never had a policy of suppressing others. I agree with him. He thinks the taking of Constantinople by the Ottoman Turks, who he does not see as legitimate representers of Islam, was a crime against God and that eschatology states that it will be returned to the Christians in a short while, though it may be by force. He is embarrassed as a Muslim for the desecration of this Christian site. He has also stated that the Ottoman Turks did not represent a real jihad when they took it. Jihad is a holy struggle against oppression and the Orthodox church was not threatening Islam.

[bsbray]

It's been no secret with the Eastern Orthodox and the Russians in particular that they consider Moscow the "third Rome," ever since Constantinople (the "second Rome") fell, according to the conventional narrative. What Fomenko also points out is that old place names like "Rome," or like cities named "Neopolis" (Napoli / Naples), actually meant something and aren't just abstract names in the modern sense like when we think of "George" or "Johnny." Names were originally more like Native American names, that actually meant something, like "Sitting Bull" or "Crazy Horse." Old Hebrew and Celtic names are good examples of this from across the Atlantic. "Naples" derives from the Greek for "new city" and there were several places named this, so when old texts mention some form of the word Naples, we have to figure out which one is being referenced.

The same is the case for "Rome," except when modern scholars see places like Constantinople or Moscow referred to as "Rome" in an old text, they just interpret it as being flowery language or a metaphor and fit it into their invented history, and so Constantinople is called the "second Rome" (and the whole story of the Byzantine Empire built around that) and Moscow the "third Rome" (and the Eastern Orthodox church has its own story about the fall of Constantinople built around that).


Then there's this:

http://www.city-data.com/forum/attachments/history/112539d1370237591-great-tartary-133241172806007473.jpg

"Grand Tartary" (depicted here in a map probably from the mid 1700's or so) got wiped out in the late 1700's and early 1800's, and then they stopped depicting it on maps, turned a lot of derogatory propaganda into "official" history, and did terrible things to the people who were living there. Of course a lot of that land is in Siberia and was probably very sparsely inhabited, though other areas apparently were not sparsely inhabited. I bought a short pdf about "Pougachev's" uprising there that shows it was a Romanov invasion across the Urals into this independent country. The local historians in towns on the other side of the Urals have museums that still make mention of the fact that the Romanov armies from Russia basically genocided the people living in these places and destroyed every trace of Muscovite Tartary that they could. They still have places in these towns called things like "gallows hill" where they gathered the locals and executed them in mass. Central Asia was invaded soon after.

Whatever the history of this country of Tartary was, it must have been something that someone really didn't want us to know about.

[modwiz]

It's been no secret with the Eastern Orthodox and the Russians in particular that they consider Moscow the "third Rome," ever since Constantinople (the "second Rome") fell, according to the conventional narrative. What Fomenko also points out is that old place names like "Rome," or like cities named "Neopolis" (Napoli / Naples), actually meant something and aren't just abstract names in the modern sense like when we think of "George" or "Johnny." Names were originally more like Native American names, that actually meant something, like "Sitting Bull" or "Crazy Horse." Old Hebrew and Celtic names are good examples of this from across the Atlantic. "Naples" derives from the Greek for "new city" and there were several places named this, so when old texts mention some form of the word Naples, we have to figure out which one is being referenced.

The same is the case for "Rome," except when modern scholars see places like Constantinople or Moscow referred to as "Rome" in an old text, they just interpret it as being flowery language or a metaphor and fit it into their invented history, and so Constantinople is called the "second Rome" (and the whole story of the Byzantine Empire built around that) and Moscow the "third Rome" (and the Eastern Orthodox church has its own story about the fall of Constantinople built around that).


Then there's this:

http://www.city-data.com/forum/attachments/history/112539d1370237591-great-tartary-133241172806007473.jpg

"Grand Tartary" (depicted here in a map probably from the mid 1700's or so) got wiped out in the late 1700's and early 1800's, and then they stopped depicting it on maps, turned a lot of derogatory propaganda into "official" history, and did terrible things to the people who were living there. Of course a lot of that land is in Siberia and was probably very sparsely inhabited, though other areas apparently were not sparsely inhabited. I bought a short pdf about "Pougachev's" uprising there and it was a Romanov invasion across the Urals. The local historians in towns on the other side of the Urals have museums that still make mention of the fact that the Romanov armies from Russia basically genocided the people living in these places and destroyed every trace of Muscovite Tartary that they could. Central Asia was invaded soon after.

Whatever the history of this country of Tartary was, it must have been something that someone really didn't want us to know about.

I really appreciate having someone like you in the forum to exchange these kinds of ideas with.:tiphat:

You added the map and commentary after my reply. Tartary is the elephant in the European history room. Also, the Romanovs representing the parasitic "infection" of Russia/Grand Tartary. We also see modern Korea is part of it as well as Tibet and other countries north of the Himalayas.

[Novusod]

Here are few more maps of Tataria

Both these maps were featured in Sylvie's videos on Hyperborea.
Map from 1570
http://i.imgur.com/tujXDf4.jpg
Map from 1684
http://i.imgur.com/0bOmXQZ.jpg

[Aianawa]

Interesting indeed, on the Rome queation, do we believe their senate was running things, unlikely imo, similar to nowadays.

[Aianawa]

return to after executing black operations around the world.

Said terrorists also need a place where they can avoid prosecution, hence Switzerland’s permanently neutral position within the international community. This is why the bankers, pirates and terrorists formerly known as the Knights Templar and the Order of Saint John (see below) originally fled to the Alps, founding what is known today as Switzerland.

Because the CIA is in command and control of each country’s respective intelligence agencies and military, they are responsible for orchestrating virtually all of teh the assassinations, terror attacks and wars. This is where the concept of the Swiss Army Knife originally came from for Switzerland has every political and military option at their respective disposal.

Although Switzerland is noted for its Swiss Mercenaries who were strategically placed by the CIA in foreign armies, courts and governments in order to conduct assassinations and espionage, 99% of Swiss citizens have absolutely no idea that their country is in fact home to the CIA.

SWITZERLAND IS CIA:

1. Switzerland is located in central Europe
2. Switzerland is the only neutral nation on Earth
3. Switzerland is the only sovereign nation on Earth
4. Switzerland is home to Onyx Interception System
5. Switzerland is home to Holy See (i.e., the Holy C-I-A)
6. Switzerland is home to Bank for International Settlements (BIS)
7. Names for Switzerland (i.e., CH and Suisse) equate to CIA and SS
8. Swiss National Day is same date as the anniversary of the Temple of Spies
9. Switzerland is intimately tied to dictators (e.g., Hitler, Mussolini, Jong-Un, etc.)
10. Switzerland was originally founded by the Knights Templar and Order of Saint John


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1. CIA Located in Central Europe
It is imperative to note that the notorious CIA of the United States provides the necessary political cover for black operations (i.e., Special Ops) orchestrated by the CIA in Switzerland. In other words, America takes the blame for what Switzerland is ultimately responsible for. Although there is a Central Intelligence Agency Headquarters located in Langley, Virginia, it is just the local headquarters of the CIA within the United States. In order to sell the world on the notion that the CIA is American in nature, the words “CIA Headquarters” are always followed by “Langley, Virginia” in virtually all Hollywood movies. However, Langley, Virginia is not located in central Virginia, nor is the state of Virginia centrally located within the United States. Switzerland on the other hand is located in central Europe, hence the name “Central Intelligence Agency”. The term central is defined in part by Merriam-Webster as being “in the middle of something” or “located in the center of a thing or place”, definitions which are indicative of Switzerland, not Langley, Virginia. The term “central” is also defined in part as “controlling all other parts” and “having power over the other parts”, for the CIA in Switzerland is ultimately in command and control of all 205 countries and territories of the underworld. Although said countries and territories have different flags, languages and races, they all operate at the behest of the CIA in Switzerland.

2. Switzerland Only Neutral Nation on Earth
Switzerland is the only permanently neutral country on Earth. Neutrality is defined in part as “a sovereign state which officially declares itself to be neutral towards the belligerents”. However, if an allegedly sovereign state funds said belligerents, it is not neutral. Although Switzerland has been neutral since the end of its expansion in 1515, the Congress of Vienna fully re-established Swiss independence in 1815, making Swiss neutrality permanently recognized. Consequently, Switzerland has remained free of terror attacks and war for over 500 years. By remaining neutral, Switzerland can be intimately involved in the day to day business of every country on Earth while publically appearing to be nuetral. Switzerland is also the only neutral country which actively engages in armed neutrality. Consequently, the Swiss Armed Forces has roughly 200,000 to 400,000 active-duty soldiers, one of the largest standing armies in the world. The armed neutrality of Switzerland only makes sense when it’s understood that Switzerland is home to the CIA. In the event that Switzerland’s political cover is blown and they are fingered as the progenitor of assassinations, terror attacks and wars, its massive military will be able to defend itself against attack or a potential invasion.

Swiss Flag

3. Switzerland Only Sovereign Nation on Earth
Switzerland is one of only two sovereign entities on Earth. This notion is confirmed by the flag of Switzerland, one of only two square sovereign-state flags. The other is the flag of Vatican City, a city state within Rome which is coincidentally protected by the Swiss Guard. While the flags of all other countries (e.g., flag of China, flag of Russia, flag of the United States, etc.) are rectangular in shape, the flags of Switzerland and Vatican City are geometrically square for they represent the only two sovereign states on Earth. The term sovereignty is defined as a state or a governing body that has the full right and power to govern itself without any interference from outside sources or bodies. In political theory, sovereignty is a substantive term designating supreme authority over some polity. In other words, Switzerland is the only country in the world (aside from Vatican City) which is in control of its own destiny. Consequently, the other 204 countries and territories of the underworld are not sovereign; meaning that another country (i.e., Switzerland) is ultimately responsible for its fate.

Onyx (2)

4. Switzerland Home to Onyx Interception System
If Switzerland were in fact a neutral country, it would not be home to the Onyx Interception System which is operated by the Federal Intelligence Service (FIS), the official name for the CIA in Switzerland. Considering that Onyx is admittedly “controlled by an independent [unnamed] control authority composed of members of the federal administration”, it can be deduced that is it under the command and control of the CIA. The stated goal of Onyx is to “monitor both civil and military communications, such as telephone, fax or internet traffic, carried by satellite”, effectively allowing Switzerland to spy on the rest of the world. That being said, it’s highly likely that Onyx is also used as a secure and encrypted means of communication between CIA Headquarters in Switzerland and its respective offices and detention facilities (i.e., black sites) around the world. Despite the fact that Onyx is a global system, the only admitted locations within Switzerland are found at Heimenschwand, Leuk and Zimmerwald. Although the CIA still employs thousands of secret agents around the world, a majority their espionage is conducted electronically via state-of-the-art technologies (e.g., cell phones, drones, GPS, internet, satellites, watches, etc.) which are likely all linked to and monitored by Onyx.

Curia Confoederationis Helveticae

5. Switzerland Home to Holy See
The Holy See (i.e., the “Holy C-I-A”) is the official name of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), a term evidently derived from Confoederationis Helveticae, an original name for Switzerland. Although the Holy See is allegedly located in Italy, its name suggests otherwise. Consonantly speaking, the term “Holy” (H+L) was evidently derived from the “Hel” (H+L) as in “Helveticae”, while the term “See” (i.e., “C”) is an apparent acronym for “Confoederationis”. Founded roughly 40 years after the establishment of Switzerland in 1300 AD, the Holy See is touted as the ecclesiastical jurisdiction of the Roman Catholic Church. The Holy See is the central point of reference for the Catholic Church and admittedly the focal point of communion due to its prominence. Consequently, the Holy See is viewed as the central government of the Roman Catholic Church. Diplomatically speaking, the Holy See acts and speaks for the whole Catholic Church. In other words, the Holy See is the highest form of government within the Catholic Church, just as the CIA is the highest form of government in the world. Similar to Switzerland, the Holy See is viewed as a sovereign state, having a centralized government entitled the Roman Curia. Coincidentally, the Federal Palace of Switzerland in the Swiss capital of Bern is entitled “Curia Confoederationis Helveticae”, further suggesting that Switzerland and the Holy See are in fact one and the same entity. The term “See” found within Holy See was derived from the Latin word “sedes” meaning “seat”, a reference to the Episcopal throne (cathedra) of the Catholic Church. In other words, the Holy See is the “Holy Seat” or the “Holy Throne” of the Greco-Roman Empire in the underworld.

BIS (2)

6. Switzerland Home to Bank for International Settlements
The Bank for International Settlements (BIS) in Basel, Switzerland is the financial backbone of the CIA, secretly funding its nefarious operations around the world. Admittedly “the world’s oldest international financial organization”, the BIS funds 60 central banks (e.g., Bank of China, Bank of England, Federal Reserve Bank, etc.), which collectively make up 95% of the world’s GDP (gross domestic product). Although the BIS bills itself as an international organization of central banks which attempts “to foster international cooperation in those areas and to act as a bank for central banks“, it is solely responsible for orchestrating the world’s financial crises simply due to the fact that it alone has the power to create money. In other words, the BIS is responsible for creating and distributing the world’s fiat money supply which is in turn used to fund the world’s respective governments, intelligence agencies and militaries, as well as all the assassinations, terror attacks wars they engage in at the behest of the CIA. As the financial wing of the Central Intelligence Agency, the BIS is fiscally responsible for funding virtually all of chaos and madness seen in the world today.

Swastika and SS

7. Names for Switzerland Equate to CIA & SS
Because Switzerland is home to the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), their respective names are intimately linked in numerology. According to the International Organization for Standardization (ISO), which is coincidentally located in Switzerland, the country code of Switzerland is CH (i.e., “Chi”), an acronym derived from Confoederationis Helveticae, an original name for Switzerland. When employing Jewish Gematria in respect to the Roman Score (i.e., the Roman alphabet) and/or the modern-English alphabet, the acronym “CH” numerically and consonantly equates to the acronym “CIA”. For example, the numbers/letters found within “CH” (i.e., C=3 and H=11) equate to “311” as the “H” symbol equates to the number “11” in the Roman Score. Conversely, the numbers/letters found within “CIA” (i.e., C=3, I=1, and A=1) numerically equate to “311” as the “I” symbol equates to the number 1 in the Roman Score. Since the letter “A” doubles as a Chevron symbol (i.e., “Ʌ”), the number/letter used to depict the letters “C” and “K” in the Roman Score, the acronym “CIA” equates to “CIɅ”, an acronym which can be depicted in a variety of different ways (i.e., CIC, CIK, KIC, KIK, CIɅ, ɅIC, KIɅ, ɅIK, ɅIɅ, etc.). The double “Ʌ”, “C” and “K” are grammatically and numerological tributes to Chania, Crete, the birthplace of the Greco-Roman Empire which now rules the world via the CIA in Switzerland. This is why the coat of arms of the Holy See (i.e., the official name of the CIA in Roman Catholic Church) depicts two keys or two K’s (i.e., “KK”), for the term “Key” (K) consonantly equates to the letters “C” and “K”, symbolically depicting the name of the CIA (i.e., KIK). Considering that the CIA is predominately staffed by males of Jewish decent, the derogatory term for Jews is “Kike” (C/K+C/K), a term which consonantly equates to “CIA” when the letter “A” is deciphered as a Chevron symbol (i.e., “Ʌ”). Unbeknown to most, Switzerland is also home to the World Jewish Congress, an international federation of Jewish communities and organizations which is curiously never mentioned as an active political body. Whether the World Jewish Congress is part of the CIA is not known, but it’s highly likely considering the secretive nature of the group. One of the original names for Switzerland is Suisse, its current name in French. Consonantly speaking, the term Suisse (S+S) equates to “SS” or “CC” (pronounced “See See”) as the letter “C” routinely doubles as the letter “S” in the English language (e.g., cent, century, citrus, etc.). Consequently, a double “SS” equates to a double “CC” which is, as previously stated, is representative of the CIA (i.e., CIɅ). Historically speaking, the “SS” is found in the names of symbols of various groups which were and are being used by the CIA to kill and terrorize billions of people around the world. For example, the letters “SS” were used by the Schutzstaffel (i.e., SS), the largest and most powerful paramilitary organizations in Hitler’s Third Reich, as well as the Waffen-SS, the multi-national military force of Nazi Germany. Said organizations also donned the Swastika, a symbol which in the letter “S” is superimposed upon another letter “S”, resulting in an “SS”. In modern times, the Swastika is used by the CIA’s neo-Nazi groups around the world. Lastly, similar to the tem Suisse, the name of the state-sponsored terror group ISIS (S+S) contains a double “SS”, a grammatical tribute to the CIA in Switzerland which is using the group to terrorize the world.

FIS

8. Swiss National Day is Anniversary of Temple of Spies
Swiss National Day is the birthday/national day of Switzerland, a holiday which is celebrated annually on August 1, marking the foundation of the Swiss Confederacy. Coincidentally, August 1 is also the anniversary of the Temple of Spes (i.e., Spies). Spes (pronounced “ˈspeːs” as in “spies”) was the goddess of Hope in Roman mythology and religion because the Greco-Roman Empire hoped they would find out about potential threats and invasions prior to them manifesting in reality. Because Switzerland and its CIA spy on the underworld on behalf of the Greco-Roman Empire in Greenland, their respective birthday/national holiday is celebrated on the same day as the anniversary of the Temple of Spies. That is why the logo of the Federal Intelligence Service (FIS), which operates under the aliases of the Nachrichtendienst des Bundes (NDB), the Service de renseignement de la Confédération (SRC), and the Servizio di Intelligence Federale (SIF), depicts an outline of Switzerland superimposed upon an eye for the FIS is the official name for the CIA in Switzerland. Lastly, in what appears to be a modern tribute to espionage conducted by the state of Switzerland, the logo of Spy Optic sunglasses depicts a Greek Cross which is coincidentally found in the flag of Switzerland.

Mussolini and Hitler

9. Switzerland Intimately Tied to Dictators
Switzerland is intimately linked, albeit in a de facto manner, to a number of notorious dictators, namely Napoleon Bonaparte, Adolf Hitler, Benito Mussolini, and Kim Jong-un. In the case of Napoleon, Switzerland served as the staging ground for French battles against the Austrians and Russians. Despite being temporarily occupied by French troops, Switzerland was never attacked or invaded by Napoleon’s troops. Although 3.5 million deaths are attributed to Napoleon, Switzerland remained unscathed. Despite the infamous Operation Tannenbaum (i.e., “Operation Christmas Tree”), the allegedly planned but cancelled invasion of Switzerland by Nazi Germany during World War II, Hitler never attacked or invaded Switzerland despite having the country virtually surrounded. Although 7 to 9 million deaths are attributed to Hitler during World War II, Switzerland reportedly only suffered 100 casualties. In 1902, future dictator Benito Mussolini emigrated to Switzerland where he participated in a series of meetings that organized the communist revolutions and insurrections that later swept through Europe. Similar to his counterpart Hitler, Mussolini never attacked Switzerland despite the fact that it borders Italy to the north. Although 454,600 deaths are attributed to Mussolini during World War II, Switzerland reportedly only suffered 100 casualties. Why Napoleon, Hitler and Mussolini did not attack or invade Switzerland (the richest country on Earth) while they raped and pillaged Europe only makes sense when it is understood that these dictators were funded and/or groomed by the CIA in Switzerland. Lastly, although North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un is routinely portrayed as mentally unstable, he is under the mind-control of the CIA in Switzerland and acts accordingly. Similar to Mussolini before him, Jong-un lived his “handler” in Switzerland where he was “spotted” a number of times while attending a so-called “private school” where he was likely being groomed for his eventual role as dictator of North Korea. Consequently, any causalities incurred by Jong-un and North Korea are squarely on the shoulders of the CIA in Switzerland.

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10. Switzerland Founded by Knights Templar & Order of St. John
The Knights Templar and the Order of Saint John (e.g., the Hospitallers, Knights of Saint John, Knights of Rhodes, Knights Hospitallers, Sovereign Military Order of Malta, etc.) were two medieval Roman Catholic Orders whose merger ultimately spawned the creation of Switzerland around 1300 AD. Consequently, the respective colors and symbols of said Orders are now depicted in the flag of Switzerland. These notorious military Orders routinely engaged is assassinations, piracy, terror attacks and war, traits currently exhibited by the CIA in Switzerland. According to legend, the Order of Saint John wore black surcoats with a white cross during its crusades with the Muslims. However, in 1248, Pope Innocent IV approved a new standard military dress for the Order of Saint John which consisted of a red surcoat emblazoned by a white cross, the exact same color scheme and symbol now depicted in the flag of Switzerland. Interestingly, the flag of Switzerland is now synonymous with neutrality and innocence, an apparent tribute to Pope Innocent IV who sanctified the Order. The Order relocated to Switzerland shortly after the Protestant Reformation (c. 1170) when its leaders in the Margraviate of Brandenburg declared their continued loyalty to the Order of Saint John while publically accepting Protestant theology. The Protestant branches of the Order admittedly spread throughout Europe, including “Hungary, Poland, the Netherlands, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Switzerland, France, Austria, the United Kingdom, and Italy”. After going undercover in the Alps, “It was established that the [Order of Saint John] should remain neutral in any war between Christian nations”. Since the flag of Switzerland bears the exact same color scheme and symbol as the Order of Saint John, and it’s the only permanently neutral country on Earth, it can be deduced that the Order of St. John became founded what is now known as Switzerland. Similar to the Order of Saint John, the Knights Templar were known for their white mantles with a red cross, a color scheme and symbol now depicted in the logo of the International Red Cross in Geneva, Switzerland, as well as in the flag of Switzerland, albeit the colors are reversed. The notion that the Knights Templar established Switzerland is corroborated by numerous scholars who believe that the “Templars fled into the Swiss Alps”. Since both the Knights Templar and the Order of Saint John admittedly relocated to Switzerland, and the color schemes and symbols of both Orders are evident in the flag of Switzerland, it can be deduced that the country of Switzerland was specifically founded so that these Roman Catholic military orders could fund and orchestrate assassinations, piracy, terror attacks and wars around the world under the guise of neutrality. Due to the wealth the Knights Templar confiscated during their centuries of conquests, the non-combatant members of the Order began to develop a massive economic infrastructure within Europe, creating financial techniques that became the earliest forms of banking, something Switzerland is now famous for. In 1150, the Templars began generating letters of credit for pilgrims traveling to the Holy Land, an innovative arrangement that became the earliest form of banking, leading to the formal system known today as checks. Consequently, the Order of the Knights Templar became the world’s first multinational corporation. Templar involvement in banking grew to the point where they began to practice usury, charging interest on money lent. Templar usury is still evident today in the form of the Bank for International Settlements (BIS) which is located in Basel, Switzerland. In short, the BIS creates money out of thin air and then charges countries (and their respective citizens) interest on said money, keeping the world in a perpetual state of debt and slavery. Since interest rates can always be manipulated, no country can ever escape from their current economic status, regardless of how hard they work.

About the Author
David Chase Taylor is an American journalist and the editor-in-chief of Truther.org, a state-sponsored terror whistle-blower website. Taylor lives in Zurich, Switzerland where he is currently in the process of applying for political asylum since the release of The Nuclear Bible, a book credited with foiling a nuclear terror attack upon Super Bowl XLV in Dallas, Texas on February 6, 2011. Taylor recently authored Greenland Theory: Apocalypse Now, a book and website exposing the true power structure of the world, especially in respect to Greenland and its primary proxy state of Switzerland which is home to the CIA. Taylor has also published The Bio-Terror Bible, a book and website exposing the global bio-terror pandemic planned for 2015. To date, Taylor has blown the whistle on over 100 state-sponsored terror plots, including the 2012 Democratic National Convention Terror Plot, the 2011 Super Bowl Nuclear Terror Plot, the 2014 Super Bowl Nuclear Terror Plot, the Terrorgate Scandal, the 2014 Memorial Day Massacre, the man-made asteroid attack planned for 2014, and the drone strike which killed “Fast and Furious” star Paul Walker. Taylor was also the first to expose Alex Jones’ treacherous links to STRATFOR and is noted for the 10 reasons why the Rosetta Comet landing was a hoax.

[Novusod]

Should turn it around and say the Swiss own the CIA.

This is just one video but this guy's channel contains everything about Swiss codes and power structure. In occult circles they are called the OCTOGON.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOIqyk2JHZI

[Aianawa]

Ta, short and sweet, am always learning as did not know the squashed pyramid was a symbol.

[Aianawa]

I find a lot of this stuff interesting Aianawa but I get the feeling that a lot of these themes (invented Dark Ages, related cultures, more technology in the past, etc.) is better explained by Fomenko's work with the New Chronology than what this guy is saying. There are a few reasons I say this, which I will explain below.

The first reason is, what he is claiming would require a gargantuan amount of research that is hard to fathom, in order to make so many claims about such a wide range of history as hard and fast as he does. This guy looks like he's in his 30's-40's. By comparison, Fomenko has been researching his New Chronology for about as long as this guy has been alive (since the 1970's), with a team of colleagues at Moscow State University and help from elsewhere, and though they reach similar conclusions about a few things, they are much more cautious about saying "this is definitely what happened." Being very honest and transparent about the nature of the evidence, what we do know and don't know, is very important for academic integrity.

The second reason is, I can't find any clear methodology by which he has reached the conclusions that he has. His favorite source seems to be Wikipedia, but he doesn't cite independent sources for most of specific facts that he claims. He just links to Wikipedia articles for various words and names in his articles. This is not only bad research practice but it means anyone trying to actually verify his conclusions would have to do his research all over again just because he was too lazy to list his sources as he found them. Again, to compare with Fomenko, the bibliography for his History: Science or Fiction? series contains references to about 1,500 books, articles, papers, etc., and he tells you on exactly what page to find the information he is citing. That way you don't have to try to redo his research from scratch to see that he really did find all of this information from credible sources. This is what all good researchers are trained to do. Without that I basically have to take the guy on his word and I'm not prepared to do that.

The third reason is that Fomenko and his colleagues not only cite their sources but lay out a very compelling argument in detail, step by step, in their books. It's clear what can be safely concluded and what is still speculative, because there is transparency and honesty with what evidence is available and how it is interpreted. Fomenko and his colleagues also use an unusual methodology that they go over in detail, statistical analysis of primary source texts, that in itself is also very compelling. This is where they compare the lengths of reigns of rulers from various periods as well as the relative amount of literary material dedicated to specific periods and events, and find that certain periods are "mirror images" or duplications of other periods of history. The duplications are most likely based on fairly recent events, for example from around the 1300's to 1500's, and then erroneously dated (with changes of names and places -- easily accomplished by borrowing versions from other languages and cultures) to much earlier periods. This is a better documented and more satisfactory explanation as far as I'm concerned, and explains many of the same things. Researching what was actually covered up by all of this would probably explain just about everything else, given that there is enough surviving evidence.

I feel he cites wiki so as not to tangle up with others, also he likely cannot say where/who his data came from, likely his own family.

[Aianawa]

Been hearing his name a lot recently, more truth coming out ?.

[Dreamtimer]

Fomenko's name?

[Dreamtimer]

These shapes and their relations show up with the numbers in Mark Cockings (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/10751-137?p=841968895&viewfull=1#post841968895) work.

http://markcocking.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/PNC-Pyramid-007-1024x768.jpg

[Aianawa]

Sorta, the history lesson part, the three Romes as such, rome never died, lol just the senate, they, yes the they, have no nationality, no religion, no fixed abode, over time, yes they carry memory over time imo.

[Aianawa]

Yah have more time up sleeve again and time to catch up forum wise and update some old theories also

[Aianawa]

The now n last Rome > Greenland < to be bought by Trump or better said USA, said today , maybe more to that and Greenland like this thread says.

[Aianawa]

Sharing this thread from ATS, enjoying reading it atm > http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1225185/pg1

[Aianawa]

Connected, he got a couple things incorrect but great questions n vid >


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7F2g_YgP-7o

[Emil El Zapato]

Speaking of TV series, DT...Fortitude is a good one and I think it is set in Greenland...they went from powerful personal relationships and murder, to powerful supernatural relationships and murder...very interesting. 1st season starred Stanley Tucci and the 2nd starred Dennis Quaid. Sorry about the sideline Aianawa...

[Aianawa]

It's been no secret with the Eastern Orthodox and the Russians in particular that they consider Moscow the "third Rome," ever since Constantinople (the "second Rome") fell, according to the conventional narrative. What Fomenko also points out is that old place names like "Rome," or like cities named "Neopolis" (Napoli / Naples), actually meant something and aren't just abstract names in the modern sense like when we think of "George" or "Johnny." Names were originally more like Native American names, that actually meant something, like "Sitting Bull" or "Crazy Horse." Old Hebrew and Celtic names are good examples of this from across the Atlantic. "Naples" derives from the Greek for "new city" and there were several places named this, so when old texts mention some form of the word Naples, we have to figure out which one is being referenced.

The same is the case for "Rome," except when modern scholars see places like Constantinople or Moscow referred to as "Rome" in an old text, they just interpret it as being flowery language or a metaphor and fit it into their invented history, and so Constantinople is called the "second Rome" (and the whole story of the Byzantine Empire built around that) and Moscow the "third Rome" (and the Eastern Orthodox church has its own story about the fall of Constantinople built around that).


Then there's this:

http://www.city-data.com/forum/attachments/history/112539d1370237591-great-tartary-133241172806007473.jpg

"Grand Tartary" (depicted here in a map probably from the mid 1700's or so) got wiped out in the late 1700's and early 1800's, and then they stopped depicting it on maps, turned a lot of derogatory propaganda into "official" history, and did terrible things to the people who were living there. Of course a lot of that land is in Siberia and was probably very sparsely inhabited, though other areas apparently were not sparsely inhabited. I bought a short pdf about "Pougachev's" uprising there that shows it was a Romanov invasion across the Urals into this independent country. The local historians in towns on the other side of the Urals have museums that still make mention of the fact that the Romanov armies from Russia basically genocided the people living in these places and destroyed every trace of Muscovite Tartary that they could. They still have places in these towns called things like "gallows hill" where they gathered the locals and executed them in mass. Central Asia was invaded soon after.

Whatever the history of this country of Tartary was, it must have been something that someone really didn't want us to know about.

Liked Bsbrays open mind on occasion. Researching a Greenland data point and as we were talking of him today, felt to share his post.

[Aianawa]

Looking back it be so so strange a USA president to talk about buying Greenland, very out there as such, feel indeed there was more to that saga.