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scibuster
22nd February 2016, 13:27
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes


Well payed - bad done.

Sorry, Mr. Simon Parkes I have no large metal plate under my bed.

sarahdita85
22nd February 2016, 15:25
Well hallelujah! seems people are finally seeing what ive been trying to say for the last 2 years, after all i got abuse and threatened to be kicked out of project avalon for even suggesting he was a con man, hes a very dark person and i had trouble sleeping for months after meeting him and even now i struggle sometimes and see horrible vile looking entities. I had never in my life seen a djinn until i met that man, a few nights later i woke up and there was a horrible black gloopy thing on my ceiling with red eyes staring at me, i could only describe it as having legs similar to an Egyptian scarab all bent out of place and a terrifying ugly face, As soon as i confronted him about it i never seen it again. Just please be careful guys because sometimes i think people dont realize that there are disgusting beings out there that stick to you and cause nothing but misery. Im just so happy that project avalon, even bill, seems to have opened their eyes.

sarahdita85
22nd February 2016, 15:32
Oh and just a side note, i have to thank caerna for helping to clear whatever was stuck to me and causing pain between my shoulder blades, its completely gone now, i still see a few entities now and again but i think they are just stragglers, once i get out of my body and confront them they run for the hills lol.

Divine Feminine
22nd February 2016, 18:34
I’m glad these people came forward and I’m not surprised in the least about their experience. I warned a long time ago on Avalon this guy was full of himself only to be blown off by fellow Avalon members and Bill. I remember a few members losing their membership because they beat the drum too loud warning about Simon and questioning his ‘stories’. His whole ‘don’t go into the light’ concept is all crap and does nothing but promote fear, imo, but don’t listen to me, please use your own judgment. It’s just another good example why one should learn to sharpen their discernment skills and think for themselves minus endorsements from Bill and Co. who seem to have a track record of supporting one charlatan after another. It appears Bill is now back peddling and distancing himself. I no longer pay attention as it’s obvious all credibility has been lost…. and maybe it was never there, it just took me a while to figure it out.…this comes from several years of watching and observing so I don’t say this lightly.

For those who have yet to come upon this observation,… these forums are being used to scout out the vulnerable for various ‘experiments’ if you get my drift. Be very careful who you share information with as there are individuals out there who do not have your best interest in mind. They play off your egos to lure you into their traps by making you feel ‘special’ or offering to help. They are very intelligent, seemingly charismatic and well versed on how to manipulate you. And yes, I have even observed them here on TOT, …..don’t be fooled! If you have any problems, don’t be embarrassed, notify the staff.

This is a good time to refresh knowledge on characteristics of sociopaths. I’ve had this article for a long time and often disperse to individuals who may be in need.
http://www.naturalnews.com/036112_sociopaths_cults_influence.html

Contrary to popular belief, sociopaths do have their place in society, as I openly shared one being the catalyst for my own spiritual growth, so it’s not all a loss. Sarah was brave enough to share her encounter and I salute her for being so forthcoming. It’s how we learn and grow together. It can be empowering to walk away from such an experience without bitterness, and in doing so you realize the whole point of the exercise was to catapult you out of victim hood. I hope the Italian couple sees the value in the lesson they’ve had to endure.

sarahdita85
22nd February 2016, 19:12
I agree, simon was a big part of my awakening and i guess it was a lesson that had to be learned so at least i got something out of it, i just dont want any women especially getting mentally and maybe even physically hurt from being too trusting. I dont follow 'gurus' anymore but if something interests me then i will see what i can learn from it. Still havent figured out my path and im coming 31 this may but im in a 'go with the flow' state of mind these days anyway. If anyone has been hurt or used by these nasty individuals then feel free to pm me, ill help wherever i can :)

Divine Feminine
22nd February 2016, 19:27
You know I was just thinking...how ironic it seems that it appears men(patriarchs) are the catalyst for the 'divine feminine' to emerge out of those of us who have been subjected to their supposed vile behavior. It is what's needed to restore the energetic balance and as painful as it is to watch, I do see the higher purpose. It's very interesting to stand from afar and observe....

I'm very proud of you Sarah, you will find the way and in the long run be that much stronger for what you have endured.

Aragorn
22nd February 2016, 20:35
[...] His whole ‘don’t go into the light’ concept is all crap and does nothing but promote fear, imo, but don’t listen to me, please use your own judgment.

Tsss, you've badly misspelled that. It should more correctly be written as...


"Use your "Discernment" and see whether it "resonates" with your "Reality Bubble".

:ha: :hilarious:


It’s just another good example why one should learn to sharpen their discernment skills and think for themselves minus endorsements from Bill and Co. who seem to have a track record of supporting one charlatan after another. It appears Bill is now back peddling and distancing himself. [...]

I have now moved this thread to Sensitive Topics & Discussions (http://jandeane81.com/forums/45-Sensitive-Topics-Discussions), which is a members-only category, so I'm going to allow myself — in the name of transparency — to share something with our members on account of Mr. William Ryan.


:flame: - BOMBSHELL ALERT! - :flame:

Yesterday, on Sunday the 21st of February 2016, one of our staff members was privately contacted by Bill Ryan himself with the polite request that we censor a post from one of our longstanding members — including any and all posts where said member was being quoted by other members of The One Truth — on an older (and publicly visible) thread, where said The One Truth member espoused the personal opinion that Bill Ryan would be working for either the British or Australian intelligence agencies.

Said staff member has relayed this information to the mod room — and told Bill Ryan that they would do so, because this would of course have to be a management decision — so we have the evidence of this request on record. Needless to say that the management of The One Truth refuses to comply with Mr. Ryan's request, but can you believe the audacity, the Machiavellianism, and the obsessive-compulsive extent of the man's narcissism?

(And please note that Mr. Ryan contacted neither Malc nor myself with this request. He contacted one of our moderators over Skype, with the direct request to edit said post(s) and delete the references to his name.)

And to top it all off, in said request, Mr. Ryan also stood up for Kerry Cassidy — of whom said longstanding The One Truth member wrote a similar thing — although Mr. Ryan didn't seem to insist that any references to Miss Cassidy would be removed from said post(s), nor did he care too much about what said longstanding The One Truth member had to say about David Wilcock. He even suggested that "it could just as well be true".

Well, here's my own, very personal message for Mr. Ryan...



http://users.telenet.be/stryder/Humor/Worf_Facepalm.jpeg



[...] I hope the Italian couple sees the value in the lesson they’ve had to endure.

They were on my friends list back when I myself was still a member of Project Avalon, and they are very nice people. It's a pity they had to fall prey to yet another sociopath.

Divine Feminine
22nd February 2016, 21:12
Needless to say that the management of The One Truth refuses to comply with Mr. Ryan's request, but can you believe the audacity, the Machiavellianism, and the obsessive-compulsive extent of the man's narcissism?

(And please note that Mr. Ryan contacted neither Malc nor myself with this request. He contacted one of our moderators over Skype, with the direct request to edit said post(s) and delete the references to his name.)

And to top it all off, in said request, Mr. Ryan also stood up for Kerry Cassidy — of whom said longstanding The One Truth member wrote a similar thing — although Mr. Ryan didn't seem to insist that any references to Miss Cassidy would be removed from said post(s), nor did he care too much about what said longstanding The One Truth member had to say about David Wilcock. He even suggested that "it could just as well be true".

Hmm....sounds like this might honor point #3 of the article I posted....
"Sociopaths are incapable of feeling shame, guilt or remorse. Their brains simply lack the circuitry to process such emotions. This allows them to betray people, threaten people or harm people without giving it a second thought. They pursue any action that serves their own self interest even if it seriously harms others. This is why you will find many very "successful" sociopaths in high levels of government, in any nation."

or maybe #5? Gosh so many to pick from I can't decide...
"Sociopaths seek to dominate others and "win" at all costs. They hate to lose any argument or fight and will viciously defend their web of lies, even to the point of logical absurdity."

Source: http://www.naturalnews.com/036112_sociopaths_cults_influence.html#ixzz40w6qev 9S

And while this can be construed as funny, cause ya, I get it..it is...but it's a very real dilemma and something many of us have and continue to have to deal with people of this nature, as these individuals are incapable of 'feeling' or understanding how their behavior appears odd to the rest of us. Can you imagine? ....but I guess if you can't 'feel' you wouldn't know the errors of your way. Thank goodness supposedly only 3% of the population takes on these characteristics..or is it 5%? Whatever....it still has a lasting effect even though the numbers are small.

EDIT TO ADD: Despite what I say, I do have compassion for those who live the life of a sociopath...I can't even imagine what that would be like....

Divine Feminine
22nd February 2016, 21:28
Can I add it might not be a good idea to have any correspondence with these people on Skype, as can't they edit the conversations? Didn't we see that happen with the shane/corey fiasco? So it turns into a he said/she said situation.

Aragorn
22nd February 2016, 21:45
Hmm....sounds like this might honor point #3 of the article I posted....
"Sociopaths are incapable of feeling shame, guilt or remorse. Their brains simply lack the circuitry to process such emotions. This allows them to betray people, threaten people or harm people without giving it a second thought. They pursue any action that serves their own self interest even if it seriously harms others. This is why you will find many very "successful" sociopaths in high levels of government, in any nation."

or maybe #5? Gosh so many to pick from I can't decide...
"Sociopaths seek to dominate others and "win" at all costs. They hate to lose any argument or fight and will viciously defend their web of lies, even to the point of logical absurdity."

Source: http://www.naturalnews.com/036112_sociopaths_cults_influence.html#ixzz40w6qev 9S

Well, I myself have quite a bit of experience in dealing with sociopaths, and for that matter, I would like to point out that there are different types of sociopaths, the most dangerous of which — not necessarily dangerous in the physical sense — are the so-called Dark Triads (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_triad). It's a combination of sociopathy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy), Machiavellianism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machiavellianism) and narcissism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism).

If you then throw in sadism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sadistic_personality_disorder) as well, then you get a so-called Dark Tetrad, and this is the personality type of most Internet trolls and of the typical schoolyard bullies. I have extensive experience with those two categories of people as well.


[...] Thank goodness supposedly only 3% of the population takes on these characteristics..or is it 5%? Whatever....it still has a lasting effect even though the numbers are small.

I'm afraid that those 3% or 5% would be highly optimistic estimates. It is my experience that there's a whole lot more of them, but that most of them either go by unnoticed at large — this in part due to the (in my experience) ever-decreasing levels of awareness, consciousness, knowledge and general intelligence among the broader population — and/or that they would be masters at disguising their true nature. Machiavellians for instance are masters at manipulation and experts at using charm to get other people to do what they want them to do.

Furthermore, I would also contend that our present-day society model, where everything — including human life — is commoditized and where the masses are being dumbed down all of the time, is the perfect environment for breeding and cultivating sociopathy. Just think of the properties that corporations require their marketing people to possess. Arrogance and manipulativeness are considered highly desirable traits for people in such departments, and even the corporations and governments at large behave in manners which, if they had been individual citizens appearing before a judge in a court room, would be ruled as genuinely sociopathic, and would be subjected to mandatory psychiatric supervision.


EDIT TO ADD: Despite what I say, I do have compassion for those who live the life of a sociopath...I can't even imagine what that would be like....

You are all too kind, because I'm afraid that your compassion would be totally wasted on them. Furthermore, you can rest assured that they won't be wasting a split second of that same compassion on you. They consider love, kindness, compassion and a sense of honor to be nothing but exploitable weaknesses.

Aragorn
22nd February 2016, 22:50
Can I add it might not be a good idea to have any correspondence with these people on Skype, as can't they edit the conversations? Didn't we see that happen with the shane/corey fiasco? So it turns into a he said/she said situation.

Well, the moderator in question was contacted on Skype by Bill Ryan — not the other way around — and so we have the original logs from right after the moment that the communication between them ended. We also know — this is something I myself have noticed — that one of our unregistered visitors was looking at that particular public thread a few days ago. It didn't occur to me to trace the IP address of that visitor as I didn't think anything of it at the time, given that it pertains to an older (and closed) thread, and said thread itself isn't actually about Bill Ryan.

The staff member in question was asked, politely but directly and in no uncertain terms, to, under the table, edit out Bill Ryan's name from that particular post, and from all other posts on the pertinent thread where that particular post had been quoted as part of the replies. The staff member relayed to Bill Ryan that they could not do this, but that they would bring Mr. Ryan's request to the attention of the mod room, where the staff of The One Truth then decided on the following...


The pertinent longstanding member of The One Truth who expressed his opinion that Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy would be working for certain alphabet soup agencies, is himself not a staff member here, and as such, was not speaking for the management of The One Truth. He was merely deploying his own and very personal freedom of thought and exercising his freedom of expression. This freedom of expression is valid everywhere on the Internet — well, barring a few nations — and said longstanding member was also not in violation of The One Truth's Forum Rules (http://jandeane81.com/announcement.php?f=&a=1) when he espoused his opinion on said thread.


The forum that Bill Ryan has founded and where he is the chief administrator, is called Project Avalon, not The One Truth. Mr. Ryan has no jurisdiction over The One Truth, anymore than that Malc and I would have any jurisdiction over Project Avalon. Furthermore, we don't contact any moderators of Project Avalon either in order to ask them to silently remove all of the scathing remarks, gossip and libellous allegations made both by Project Avalon staff members and Project Avalon forum members alike on account of The One Truth, its staff and its members.

Therefore, our answer to Mr. Ryan was, still is, and remains...



http://users.telenet.be/stryder/Humor/no.jpg


Early in April 2015, The One Truth as a whole and Malc as an individual, as well as member Sarahdita85 and myself as individual members of The One Truth — I was not even a staff member yet at the time — received threats with litigation from Simon Parkes.

Whereas I myself am concerned, this threat arrived at my private e-mail address, and in said message, I was addressed by my legal name. Both my private e-mail address and my legal name were previously unknown to Simon Parkes, and could only have been passed onto him by Bill Ryan himself. Likewise, the e-mail address at which Malc received his own copy of the threat was also Malc's private e-mail address, which he had used many, many years ago for registering as a member at Project Avalon — long before there ever was such a thing as The One Truth. That information, too, could only have come from Bill Ryan. Both threats were sent from Simon Parkes's official e-mail account by way of his Samsung smartphone, and the threat to Sarahdita85 was sent to her as an SMS to her cellphone — she and Simon Parkes had each other's phone numbers.

By consequence, you can very well imagine that neither Malc nor I myself as individuals would be too keen on placating Bill Ryan in his narcissistic pride by violating our members' freedom of thought and freedom of expression when neither of those are in violation of The One Truth's Forum Rules (http://jandeane81.com/announcement.php?f=&a=1).


:wiz:

Divine Feminine
22nd February 2016, 23:28
I'm afraid that those 3% or 5% would be highly optimistic estimates. It is my experience that there's a whole lot more of them, but that most of them either go by unnoticed at large — this in part due to the (in my experience) ever-decreasing levels of awareness, consciousness, knowledge and general intelligence among the broader population — and/or that they would be masters at disguising their true nature.

According to the article I posted:
"Much of this information is derived from the fascinating book, The Sociopath Next Door, which says that 4% of the population are sociopaths. The book is a fascinating read."

It would be interesting to know how they came to this number just out of curiosity, though I have my own personal opinion at how a number might be obtained.



You are all too kind, because I'm afraid that your compassion would be totally wasted on them. Furthermore, you can rest assured that they won't be wasting a split second of of that same compassion on you. They consider love, kindness, compassion and a sense of honor to be nothing but exploitable weaknesses.

I don't worry about what 'they' think or whether they reciprocate the same as it's obvious they are utterly incapable of such emotion or understanding and that's the point. How could they teach you such lessons if they could act and think in the same manner as the rest of us? The compassion I feel and emulate has an effect on 'Aether Field' we are all subjected to and it falls under the concept of 'if you want to live in love and peace, you have to be the love and peace'; there is science to support the concept. Sociopaths create an environment for soul growth and it's my belief this is their true purpose. If one is still in 'victim hood' they will likely think otherwise. It cost me 24 years of my life, my entire youth, being raised and beaten up by a sociopath to figure this out, because I spent the entire time trying to rationalize their behavior when I finally realized their was nothing to rationalize. Had I been able to rationalize it, I would have missed the entire point/opportunity for spiritual growth.

I've mentioned this several times before, so I apologize if I sound like a broken record, but until I read or learn otherwise....My belief system is also based off of studying reincarnation cases, NDE's and past life regresssion sessions by individuals such as Robert Schwartz, Dr. Raymond Moody, Dr. Ian Stevenson, Dr. Jim B. Tucker, Dr. Walter Semkiw, Paul Von Ward, Dr. James Matlock, Dr. Eben Alexander, Carol Bowman, Kevin Ryerson, etc..... When you spend enough time exploring their work, you come to realize your experience down on earth is a mere illusion for the purpose of soul growth as you are consciousness. There would be no point of even coming down here if the opportunities weren't available and these are opportunities sociopaths can provide. In my humble opinion, if you consider yourself a victim to their actions, you have missed the entire point as you are merely hanging on to a well over-used and accepted 3D belief system. If you want to get out of 3D, you have to quit using the same belief systems and concepts that keep you in it. It was my sociopath father who taught me the lesson of love, compassion and forgiveness, a higher understanding.....and how would I have come to this conclusion had I been able to rationalize his behavior? Energetic templates aren't created because someone is 'nice' to you. It's difficult for most to have the same understanding until one has the experience themselves, so I don't expect people to 'get it'. When coming to conclusions and decisions needed to be made, I hope more and more keep in mind the following quote.

"To understand the true nature of the universe, one must think it terms of energy, frequency and vibration.”- Nikola Tesla

If individuals are new to this idea, researching The Biology of Belief, The Study of Epigenetics and the Institute of HeartMath will help immensely in one's understanding and reinforce why the above quote is bang on. It's all about energy, frequency and vibration.

Divine Feminine
22nd February 2016, 23:47
I know and understand the word 'jurisdiction' quite well. I in fact lost my head to someone who didn't have proper 'jurisdiction' over my sovereignty many life times ago, lol. But alas, here I am in another life and it appears once again in true parallel fashion between that time period and this time period, the same 'jurisdiction' issue has cropped up repetitiously, only this time on a much larger scale. So I'm pleased to see you utilize the word in defense of The One Truth policies and procedures.

Aragorn
22nd February 2016, 23:51
EDIT TO ADD: Despite what I say, I do have compassion for those who live the life of a sociopath...I can't even imagine what that would be like....

You are all too kind, because I'm afraid that your compassion would be totally wasted on them. Furthermore, you can rest assured that they won't be wasting a split second of that same compassion on you. They consider love, kindness, compassion and a sense of honor to be nothing but exploitable weaknesses.

I don't worry about what 'they' think or whether they reciprocate the same as it's obvious they are utterly incapable of such emotion or understanding and that's the point. How could they teach you such lessons if they could act and think in the same manner as the rest of us? The compassion I feel and emulate has an effect on 'Aether Field' we are all subjected to and it falls under the concept of 'if you want to live in love and peace, you have to be the love and peace'; there is science to support the concept. Sociopaths create an environment for soul growth and it's my belief this is their true purpose. If one is still in 'victim hood' they will likely think otherwise. It cost me 24 years of my life, my entire youth, being raised and beaten up by a sociopath to figure this out, because I spent the entire time trying to rationalize their behavior when I finally realized their was nothing to rationalize. Had I been able to rationalize it, I would have missed the entire point/opportunity for spiritual growth.

I hear you, but what I meant was that you have to watch out with where that compassion and love takes you, because it's all too easy to slip from victimhood into martyrdom, and that's not going to do anyone any good either, other than the sociopaths themselves.

;) :yoda:

Chester
23rd February 2016, 03:15
Hi TOT friends,

Earlier today a friend threw this thread link in my chat. I really didn't understand the OP but I did go and read the posts at PA (as I am a member again).

The last year I learned a few very hard lessons. To say I learned them means I can't repeat the mistakes I made again.

So I am unable to comment on Simon.

I then was curious as to why this thread then focused on Bill only because it seems that if this would be brought up, why do it in this thread?

Also - and I am only stating this because its a fact... after looking it up... and note, I always liked Lord Sid yet didn't he have (as I once had) an ax to grind with either PA or Bill?

If so... perhaps his comment may be motivated by some angst (as I once had as well... all because I allowed the opinions of others to be the basis of my own - a terrible lesson hard learned in 2015 and one I should have learned when a child) and if so maybe it should be asked on what basis is Lord Sid making that claim?

If Lord Sid is able to back it up... then I would see how it should stand, but if not, I don't see Bill's request as unreasonable as I had sensed that TOT and PA had a professional relationship despite underlying differences and issues.

Just my opinion... not meaning to make waves... I just care about all parties here, Bill included.

Divine Feminine
23rd February 2016, 03:49
Bill is brought into the picture because he has defended and promoted Simon. I see this to be a no brainer.

Aragorn
23rd February 2016, 05:05
[...]

I then was curious as to why this thread then focused on Bill only because it seems that if this would be brought up, why do it in this thread?

Also - and I am only stating this because its a fact... after looking it up... and note, I always liked Lord Sid yet didn't he have (as I once had) an ax to grind with either PA or Bill?

If so... perhaps his comment may be motivated by some angst (as I once had as well... all because I allowed the opinions of others to be the basis of my own - a terrible lesson hard learned in 2015 and one I should have learned when a child) and if so maybe it should be asked on what basis is Lord Sid making that claim?

If Lord Sid is able to back it up... then I would see how it should stand, but if not, I don't see Bill's request as unreasonable as I had sensed that TOT and PA had a professional relationship despite underlying differences and issues.

Just my opinion... not meaning to make waves... I just care about all parties here, Bill included.

Just for the record, I personally do not believe that Bill Ryan would be working for any intelligence agencies. I also do not believe that Kerry Cassidy would be. I would even go so far as to state that, to the best of my knowledge, nobody in the mod room of The One Truth believes that either of them would be alphabet soup agency assets.

On the other hand, I do have very reliable inside information regarding a past intimate relationship between Kerry Cassidy and Jack Burns — alias Project Camelot whistleblower Jake Simpson (http://projectcamelot.org/jake_simpson.html) — and Jack Burns does happen to work for the ASIO (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Security_Intelligence_Organisation). And I also happen to know that during this intimate relationship between Kerry and Burns, Kerry — gullible as she is — was seriously under Burns' influence, much to Bill Ryan's dismay. So perhaps this is where Lord Sidious got his opinion.

That said, Bill Ryan's request to have those posts edited is unreasonable, because this here is The One Truth, not Project Avalon. He can do whatever he wants with Project Avalon because that's his business, but this here is The One Truth. We here have our own philosophy, our own identity, our own rules (http://jandeane81.com/announcement.php?f=&a=1), and our members have freedom of speech, which is a human right still upheld in most of the world today. If Bill Ryan over in Ecuador is going to be upset about somebody over in Australia saying something about him out on the Internet — whether true or false — then he's got an even bigger problem than I already thought he had.

Lord Sidious is a free human being and has the freedom to espouse any opinion that he sees fit, plus that the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Declaration_of_Human_Rights) also gives him the freedom to express his opinion as he sees fit. And so long as he's not violating The One Truth's Forum Rules (http://jandeane81.com/announcement.php?f=&a=1) in doing that, I see no reason as to why we, as the staff of The One Truth, should be stifling Lord Sidious' freedom of speech just to placate a man known for his Machiavellianism and obsessive-compulsive narcissism.

In addition to that, as I wrote higher up, we are also not contacting any moderators of Project Avalon — neither officially nor covertly — in order to ask them to remove all the libellous and gossipy comments that both Avalon moderators and Avalon forum members alike are making about either The One Truth as a whole, or about any of its staff members or its forum members in particular. One such example is the still persistent claim over at Avalon that Malc would have hacked their server, which Paul, the senior administrator of Project Avalon beside Bill, also passed on to Rakyht, the administrator of Eye-Rise, when Eye-Rise was having technical difficulties — which had nothing to do with any hacking, but ironically enough, none of the staff of Eye-Rise actually had the required skills to diagnose and fix their technical problems* — in a dirty attempt to try and start a forum war between The One Truth and Eye-Rise, which Project Avalon would then benefit from.

You know much better than to defend Bill Ryan and Project Avalon, Sam. Or at least, you should know much better. You also know how Bill Ryan and his friends were defending Simon Parkes tooth and nail back when I was still a member there, and how that ultimately led to myself and Sarahdita85 getting banned from Avalon in March 2015.

Don't step into the spider's sticky web again, my friend. In doing so, you would be annihilating any and all progress you've ever made in the past year. The web will glue your feet to the ground, and the spider will hypnotize you, making you forget all that you've learned.




And just for the record, when Eye-Rise was down the last time — on the 29th of January 2016 — and its then-super moderator (and current administrator) Dark Quark was in a panic because he couldn't contact Ria anymore because her e-mail account had been hacked into, which he posted about over at Earth Empaths (under the name Pluto's Child) (http://earthempaths.net/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=487), it was I myself who, with Malc's blessing, used my experience as a former network administrator to diagnose the problem and then attempted to contact Ria and Kathy (at her old e-mail address) first with a complete technical analysis of their network problem, and when neither of them responded and Eye-Rise remained down, I then forwarded that same e-mail to both Kathy at her Eye-Rise contact address and to Dark Quark, who is an ex-staff member from here, and whose e-mail address I still had. And with the information provided to him by me, Dark Quark then eventually managed to get hold of Rakyht, and he in turn was then able to fix the problem, as you can read here (http://earthempaths.net/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=487#p2733).

And this notwithstanding all of the libel and gossip that had been posted about The One Truth over at Eye-Rise — not to mention that, apart from the friendly exchange between Dark Quark and myself, we didn't even receive a word of gratitude from Eye-Rise. But that's okay. It just goes to show what kind of people we are. But it's a long way to go from from helping former members of The One Truth in rescuing their own still very young forum — earlier on, we have also worked together with donk to trace someone who was trolling him on his own forum — over to censoring our own members because they post something which somebody out there in Ecuador doesn't like and feels threatened in his vanity by.

sandy
23rd February 2016, 05:16
TOT TEAM >>>>WARRIORS of PERSONAL INTEGRITY>>>>>:congratulations::chrs:


:hug::grin:

donk
23rd February 2016, 12:20
There would be no point of even coming down here if the opportunities weren't available and these are opportunities sociopaths can provide. In my humble opinion, if you consider yourself a victim to their actions, you have missed the entire point as you are merely hanging on to a well over-used and accepted 3D belief system. If you want to get out of 3D, you have to quit using the same belief systems and concepts that keep you in it. It was my sociopath father who taught me the lesson of love, compassion and forgiveness, a higher understanding.....and how would I have come to this conclusion had I been able to rationalize his behavior?

I worry about this type of belief, that I see prevailing over the community. In particular, as a friend, I just want to point out that it looks like you ARE rationalizing his behavior, and psychopath's existence. I don't think it's wise to take the effect and make it the cause. Just because you are able to learn valuable from it, does not mean that the type, or phenomenon or whatever, was put in your presence FOR YOU. I could be wrong, but I'm just suggesting you keep open the possibility their purpose may be other than to teach non-psychos lessons. I'm not trying to dismiss your idea or completely dissuade you from it, but I've been getting the growing sense that "enabling" is the biggest problem with face, and that twisting the cause/effect is a sort of subtle for of it, so am sharing my perspective for consideration as a friend.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1Z0H8CHPIU

Interesting thread, thanks to all that contributed...did I miss the link to the post BR has a problem with?

To bring it back on topic, is it a fair/valid perspective to say that PA in general and BR's support in particular seemed to be a huge boost in the community's awareness of Mr. Parkes?

Divine Feminine
23rd February 2016, 16:53
I worry about this type of belief, that I see prevailing over the community. In particular, as a friend, I just want to point out that it looks like you ARE rationalizing his behavior, and psychopath's existence. I don't think it's wise to take the effect and make it the cause. Just because you are able to learn valuable from it, does not mean that the type, or phenomenon or whatever, was put in your presence FOR YOU. I could be wrong, but I'm just suggesting you keep open the possibility their purpose may be other than to teach non-psychos lessons. I'm not trying to dismiss your idea or completely dissuade you from it, but I've been getting the growing sense that "enabling" is the biggest problem with face, and that twisting the cause/effect is a sort of subtle for of it, so am sharing my perspective for consideration as a friend.

I would say the basis of your worry is a form of misunderstanding the content of the subject. You can't rationalize sociopaths so that's not what I'm doing, I have an understanding of their purpose. You will not have the same perspective, as you have not researched thoroughly the topics I mentioned in the above post, nor have you experienced the type of life I had to endure, therefore your viewpoint will be different. Reincarnation is real, there's plenty of proof if you do the research. Energy doesn't disappear and consciousness is a form of energy. The reocurring pattern that researchers independently come to suggests soul growth as the purpose and you don't get soul growth from people being nice to you. You come to this conclusion by researching case after case after case as you begin to identify patterns. Which is why I don't focus on one researchers work I look at them all, including concepts of NDE's and past life regressionists work. If you have not studied this topic thoroughly I'm not sure how you could come to a solid conclusion. I don't say this to be mean, but I can tell by the questions I'm asked, who has studied the content and who hasn't. I don't expect people to know everything about every topic, how could you with the onslaught of information out there? So don't I say this in arrogance.

Through love, compassion, forgiveness and acceptance, you are able to 'transmute' energy and it is through the transmutation you have the ability to change the energetic foundation of this planet. To do so you need negative energy to work with which is what these sociopaths provide. Change the way you think because I would say your point above still has you 'thinking in 3D' which promotes victim hood. There is something missing in your knowledge base which is making it difficult for you to understand and/or make that connection. I say this with all do respect and there is no malice in my remarks. I'm not sure there is much more I can say to change your viewpoint, you would have to take the time and do the research on your own to come to the understanding. Maybe I'm leaving something out in my explanations that's not connecting a dot for you. I do my best to articulate clearly and lay down all the pieces, but it could be one needs to go through the process themselves to have the same understanding.

"To understand the true nature of the universe, one must think it terms of energy, frequency and vibration.”- Nikola Tesla

EDIT TO ADD: Just to make sure it's clear..when I say 'thinking in 3D', the D stands for dimension. A dimension is- a state of consciousness that supports a specific set of beliefs. If you look into Epigenetics and Biology of Belief you will see these body of works supports the statement as beliefs create realities. Beliefs also vibrate at frequencies which have an effect on Aether Field that surrounds us all. Sociopaths are a form of energy and therefore serve a purpose.

Maggie
23rd February 2016, 18:47
Just for the record, I personally do not believe that Bill Ryan would be working for any intelligence agencies. I also do not believe that Kerry Cassidy would be. I would even go so far as to state that, to the best of my knowledge, nobody in the mod room of The One Truth believes that either of them would be alphabet soup agency assets.

On the other hand, I do have very reliable inside information regarding a past intimate relationship between Kerry Cassidy and Jack Burns — alias Project Camelot whistleblower Jake Simpson (http://projectcamelot.org/jake_simpson.html) — and Jack Burns does happen to work for the ASIO (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Security_Intelligence_Organisation). And I also happen to know that during this intimate relationship between Kerry and Burns, Kerry — gullible as she is — was seriously under Burns' influence, much to Bill Ryan's dismay. So perhaps this is where Lord Sidious got his opinion.

That said, Bill Ryan's request to have those posts edited is unreasonable, because this here is The One Truth, not Project Avalon. He can do whatever he wants with Project Avalon because that's his business, but this here is The One Truth. We here have our own philosophy, our own identity, our own rules (http://jandeane81.com/announcement.php?f=&a=1), and our members have freedom of speech, which is a human right still upheld in most of the world today. If Bill Ryan over in Ecuador is going to be upset about somebody over in Australia saying something about him out on the Internet — whether true or false — then he's got an even bigger problem than I already thought he had.

Lord Sidious is a free human being and has the freedom to espouse any opinion that he sees fit, plus that the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Declaration_of_Human_Rights) also gives him the freedom to express his opinion as he sees fit. And so long as he's not violating The One Truth's Forum Rules (http://jandeane81.com/announcement.php?f=&a=1) in doing that, I see no reason as to why we, as the staff of The One Truth, should be stifling Lord Sidious' freedom of speech just to placate a man known for his Machiavellianism and obsessive-compulsive narcissism.

In addition to that, as I wrote higher up, we are also not contacting any moderators of Project Avalon — neither officially nor covertly — in order to ask them to remove all the libellous and gossipy comments that both Avalon moderators and Avalon forum members alike are making about either The One Truth as a whole, or about any of its staff members or its forum members in particular. One such example is the still persistent claim over at Avalon that Malc would have hacked their server, which Paul, the senior administrator of Project Avalon beside Bill, also passed on to Rakyht, the administrator of Eye-Rise, when Eye-Rise was having technical difficulties — which had nothing to do with any hacking, but ironically enough, none of the staff of Eye-Rise actually had the required skills to diagnose and fix their technical problems* — in a dirty attempt to try and start a forum war between The One Truth and Eye-Rise, which Project Avalon would then benefit from.

You know much better than to defend Bill Ryan and Project Avalon, Sam. Or at least, you should know much better. You also know how Bill Ryan and his friends were defending Simon Parkes tooth and nail back when I was still a member there, and how that ultimately led to myself and Sarahdita85 getting banned from Avalon in March 2015.

Don't step into the spider's sticky web again, my friend. In doing so, you would be annihilating any and all progress you've ever made in the past year. The web will glue your feet to the ground, and the spider will hypnotize you, making you forget all that you've learned.




And just for the record, when Eye-Rise was down the last time — on the 29th of January 2016 — and its then-super moderator (and current administrator) Dark Quark was in a panic because he couldn't contact Ria anymore because her e-mail account had been hacked into, which he posted about over at Earth Empaths (under the name Pluto's Child) (http://earthempaths.net/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=487), it was I myself who, with Malc's blessing, used my experience as a former network administrator to diagnose the problem and then attempted to contact Ria and Kathy (at her old e-mail address) first with a complete technical analysis of their network problem, and when neither of them responded and Eye-Rise remained down, I then forwarded that same e-mail to both Kathy at her Eye-Rise contact address and to Dark Quark, who is an ex-staff member from here, and whose e-mail address I still had. And with the information provided to him by me, Dark Quark then eventually managed to get hold of Rakyht, and he in turn was then able to fix the problem, as you can read here (http://earthempaths.net/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=487#p2733).

And this notwithstanding all of the libel and gossip that had been posted about The One Truth over at Eye-Rise — not to mention that, apart from the friendly exchange between Dark Quark and myself, we didn't even receive a word of gratitude from Eye-Rise. But that's okay. It just goes to show what kind of people we are. But it's a long way to go from from helping former members of The One Truth in rescuing their own still very young forum — earlier on, we have also worked together with donk to trace someone who was trolling him on his own forum — over to censoring our own members because they post something which somebody out there in Ecuador doesn't like and feels threatened in his vanity by.

I read across forums and I joined TOT and earth empaths under my own name because I really actually just wanna be as real as possible. I LOVE IT that support was given to Eyerise and that some members are "citizens" of multiple forums. It feels terrible however to have an inner "zeitgeist" that is sickly. I don't want to align myself with illness. I think this is indication here of pathologic paranoia.

From Aragorn

"this threat arrived at my private e-mail address, and in said message, I was addressed by my legal name. Both my private e-mail address and my legal name were previously unknown to Simon Parkes, and could only have been passed onto him by Bill Ryan himself. Likewise, the e-mail address at which Malc received his own copy of the threat was also Malc's private e-mail address, which he had used many, many years ago for registering as a member at Project Avalon — long before there ever was such a thing as The One Truth. That information, too, could only have come from Bill Ryan. Both threats were sent from Simon Parkes's official e-mail account by way of his Samsung smartphone, and the threat to Sarahdita85 was sent to her as an SMS to her cellphone — she and Simon Parkes had each other's phone numbers."

I read posts on PA still as a guest. This week there is a thread about Simon Parkes and I read one long time member seem to go for the throat of another long term member in the name of ?????

With friends like this then who needs enemies? If the alt community is like a band of fearful shut-ins in the fort of "I protect for my own survival", then honestly IMO always another enemy will be seen storming the gates. We can be helpful and supportive to one another anywhere. However, some kingdoms are just awful places to live.

donk
23rd February 2016, 18:54
To do so you need negative energy to work with which is what these sociopaths provide. Change the way you think because I would say your point above still has you 'thinking in 3D' which promotes victim hood. There is something missing in your knowledge base which is making it difficult for you to understand and/or make that connection. I say this with all do respect and there is no malice in my remarks.

I don’t take any offense my friend, I appreciate your perspective….but not only not understand the dimensions beyond the 3D, I have a personal bias that would have any information you perceive as research supporting the necessity of psychopathy or evil as intentionally twisted, to serve the purpose of those that would have you believe in the need for either.

I think “negative energy” that we can learn from has purpose beyond being our “soul teacher”…and I’ll just repeat for clarity the only point I was hoping you’d consider that I see it as an EFFECT, and not some sort of cause or catalyst or whatever it may happen to be if you end up learning and growing from it. I respect your disagreement, and carefully consider the information and perspective you provide…thanks for that.

One point sorta related is that Simon’s implanting the fear of the white light/reincarnation cycle was a provocative entry into our little nook of the collective consciousness got my wheels spinning on some of these ideas, I really like a lot of what I learned about the discussion and exploration of the idea, as presented from his perspective. But I won’t believe that the community needed HIM in order to grow, as much as I learned—that was not the reason for his presence in my awareness. I think sarah’s life would have been just as fulfilling without him being a part of it. And the philosophy you espouse sounds dangerously close to enabling/rationalization, and mine feels less victim-mentality than any other I am capable of.

Chester
23rd February 2016, 19:14
Bill is brought into the picture because he has defended and promoted Simon. I see this to be a no brainer.

A.) Have you never made mistakes?

B.) Have you ever had one view of someone (for various reasons, even some which might be viewed as beneficial to yourself and/or a group you are a part of - like a project - where that someone did not give you reasons to be concerned and where the upside looked good) only later to become directly aware of many, many things which have caused you to change your mind?

C.) Do you form and conclude your opinions about others based on the statements of other others where there's not enough substantiation to your standards of what is being reported for you to then draw your own definitive conclusions?

In the case of C.) here I am sad to admit I made this very error many times during 2015. For example, I allowed the speculations of a group of folks to convict a forum owner of stalking, hacking, etc. many folks who had belonged to that forum and had in one way or another left.

I am really glad that forum owner gave me the many chances that I received and I am really glad I made up my mind that unless I have proof of something that meets my standard of proof, I am not going to allow the opinions of others and in some cases out right conclusions of others which result in the same type of convictions witches received several hundred years ago to ever make my mind up for me again.

Perhaps you, DF, have direct series of one or more negative experiences with Bill and/or PA that I don't. If so, I would respect you for your right to have formed your opinion and even to close the door on someone for eternity. But I will only form my own opinions based on my actual direct experiences and in those cases, I will always remain open to the possibility that in cases where my opinion becomes one of disfavor of another, that other could always change for the better.

The post I read by Bill over at PA clearly cast the action of abandoning a treatment in a pretty bad light. I assume this means that if the abandonment actually occurred. Personally I don't doubt the sincerity of the posters of the OP yet again, I only base my opinions on Simon from my own experiences with Simon which were not satisfactory and which I posted about on PA in January, 2015.

Chester
23rd February 2016, 19:34
@ Aragorn,

All I gave was my opinion that his request was, to me, not unreasonable. It is an opinion, not a fact I would impose on others. At the same time, TOT has the right to leave it there as TOT decided to do. That is more likely a fact... that TOT has this right. In the end though, there is something called wisdom which probably aligns with professionalism and integrity. It is also my opinion that each of us must live with our decisions and consequences. I have made so many mistakes during 2015 I could right several volumes... uuuggghhhh.

I feel you made a wise call in stating your opinion that you "personally do not believe that Bill Ryan would be working for any intelligence agencies."

For the record, I don't either.

Chester
23rd February 2016, 19:49
wow - donk... as time has moved on, your posts (to me) get better and better.

donk
23rd February 2016, 19:57
The post I read by Bill over at PA clearly cast the action of abandoning a treatment in a pretty bad light. I assume this means that if the abandonment actually occurred.

Are you assuming that he posted as a service to others? Am I wrong to suspect that he'd have his image in front of that, on his list of priorities? I'd base that on my personal experiences with him



I feel you made a wise call in stating your opinion that you "personally do not believe that Bill Ryan would be working for any intelligence agencies."

For the record, I don't either.

Then why'd he give a f*ck that a throw away non-true statement was in closed private thread...here??

Gimme a break...I don't think he works for-or-as anyone with any intelligence, the post said he was an "asset" of the intelligence agencies....being completely used is my current best theory as to how he's in the position he finds himself. My second theory is that he pathetically wants the attention/cred that the belief he could actually be an agent/insider would bring. My third would be it is completely made up, as the character BR created would be too smart/emotionally mature to care about a post that's been in the same place for 7 months is some kind of threat to him now.


wow - donk... as time has moved on, your posts (to me) get better and better.

post #22 was to Devine Feminine...didn't she write what I quoted? Or are you prescient...and you are enjoying post #26?

Jengelen
23rd February 2016, 20:09
When you are out of your body you cannot be deceived and you cannot deceive. I knew with the white light story that Simon was fake, said so, was banned and Bill was nothing in the way of supportive. In fact the toilet mysteriously backed up, and just the toilet unlike other times when the entire bath screwed up and I know it was his jinn cause I saw it, mine which is company that came with this property we live on escorted its sorry behind off the property and I saw this also take place before more was done and the toilet started working again and flushing because what it was came straight through the drain I kid you not! I've not said anything about it mainly because I wasn't sure if it came from Bill or Simon but I can tell you my company that is around me quite often was more than they asked for cause they ain't been back!!!!

Lord Sidious
23rd February 2016, 20:46
TOT TEAM >>>>WARRIORS of PERSONAL NUGGETRY>>>>>:congratulations::chrs:


:hug::grin:

I agree totally Sandynugget...................

Divine Feminine
23rd February 2016, 20:53
C.) Do you form and conclude your opinions about others based on the statements of other others where there's not enough substantiation to your standards of what is being reported for you to then draw your own definitive conclusions?

In the case of C.) here I am sad to admit I made this very error many times during 2015. For example, I allowed the speculations of a group of folks to convict a forum owner of stalking, hacking, etc. many folks who had belonged to that forum and had in one way or another left.

Perhaps you, DF, have direct series of one or more negative experiences with Bill and/or PA that I don't. If so, I would respect you for your right to have formed your opinion and even to close the door on someone for eternity. But I will only form my own opinions based on my actual direct experiences and in those cases, I will always remain open to the possibility that in cases where my opinion becomes one of disfavor of another, that other could always change for the better.

The point is Sam, Bill has been doing this for a long time. If he wants to be taken seriously and play the role of an 'expert' in his field, he needs to act responsibly and imo, he doesn’t. Bill doesn’t practice what he preaches by properly ‘vetting’ people. He has a tract record of bringing forward one charlatan after another and I’m not alone in my view. One can only assume he knows exactly what he’s doing otherwise the only other conclusion one can make is he must be a complete idiot and I don’t think this is the case. After observing his actions for several years it’s not hard walking away with the impression that he doesn’t care for his members based on how he treats them. In his mind he can do no wrong and it’s evident in his actions and behavior. I have personally experienced his ridiculousness and like ground hogs day, watched similar scenarios of the same behavior in his treatment to others. Those who observe the same and stay on ‘Project’ Avalon, imo can be considered ‘enablers’(that’s for you Donk)as if you know a person is treating people poorly such as squelching their free speech, shutting them down and purposefully discrediting them to fulfill your own agenda you are condoning the behavior by giving the very system life through your energetic support and participation. A forum doesn’t run if people refuse to participate. So I can only perceive this to be an example of 'like attracting like' otherwise why would one stay.


I am really glad that forum owner gave me the many chances that I received and I am really glad I made up my mind that unless I have proof of something that meets my standard of proof, I am not going to allow the opinions of others and in some cases out right conclusions of others which result in the same type of convictions witches received several hundred years ago to ever make my mind up for me again.

And the premise for your reasoning is why I have the opinion I do. No one put the idea in my head, I experienced it first hand and observed on my own as I’m sure many others did. So with your line of thinking, then you have to appreciate others are using the same logic, it doesn’t just apply to you. So that being said, I am really glad that I have found proof that meets my standard of proof and that I have not allowed the opinions of others and in some cases out right conclusions of others to ever make my mind up for me again.

I have no interest in a witch hunt, I didn't start the thread. I gave my opinion based on your above logic in support of Sarah and the poor Italian couple who is figuring out what many of us have known for a long time.

Dreamtimer
23rd February 2016, 21:11
Hey Sam. Triadox. I like it, paradoxically. :ttr:

I see Bill's connection to this thread as it relates to his support of Simon. It seems now that support is not so absolute. I know you have had your concerns about such support.

Bill seems pretty well able to take care of himself. A comment by Lord Sidious on a months old thread will have little to no affect on his life, work, or reputation. Unless, of course, Lord Sidious has some sort of fame and gravitas I'm unaware of.

Because we're all adults and responsible for our decisions, it's good to have as much information as possible. I'm pretty sure Malc and Aragorn would be happy to go about their business without ever commenting on or dealing with Bill again. It seems that cannot be. Such is life.

It's good to see you around here. I'm amazed that you've kept your membership at PA after all that's transpired. Way to go. I'm very glad that it's a happy thing for you again.

I'd love to see you share here now and again...:tiphat:

Chester
23rd February 2016, 21:27
Are you assuming that he posted as a service to others? Am I wrong to suspect that he'd have his image in front of that, on his list of priorities? I'd base that on my personal experiences with him



Then why'd he give a f*ck that a throw away non-true statement was in closed private thread...here??

Gimme a break...I don't think he works for-or-as anyone with any intelligence, the post said he was an "asset" of the intelligence agencies....being completely used is my current best theory as to how he's in the position he finds himself. My second theory is that he pathetically wants the attention/cred that the belief he could actually be an agent/insider would bring. My third would be it is completely made up, as the character BR created would be too smart/emotionally mature to care about a post that's been in the same place for 7 months is some kind of threat to him now.



post #22 was to Devine Feminine...didn't she write what I quoted? Or are you prescient...and you are enjoying post #26?

Ahhh emotions - funny how they can steer our words, yes? I know mine have influenced my own.

Note, I quoted Aragorn

"personally do not believe that Bill Ryan would be working for any intelligence agencies."

so if you feel a need to correct the statement, aim your post at the right poster.

And I meant what I said, I find your posts better than they were when I first encountered reading your posts several years ago at PA and I stand by that statement. Yes, some of the posts here stimulated my comment but it was not based only on the few I read here.


The point is Sam, Bill has been doing this for a long time. If he wants to be taken seriously and play the role of an 'expert' in his field, he needs to act responsibly and imo, he doesn’t. Bill doesn’t practice what he preaches by properly ‘vetting’ people. He has a tract record of bringing forward one charlatan after another and I’m not alone in my view. One can only assume he knows exactly what he’s doing otherwise the only other conclusion one can make is he must be a complete idiot and I don’t think this is the case. After observing his actions for several years it’s not hard walking away with the impression that he doesn’t care for his members based on how he treats them. In his mind he can do no wrong and it’s evident in his actions and behavior. I have personally experienced his ridiculousness and like ground hogs day, watched similar scenarios of the same behavior in his treatment to others. Those who observe the same and stay on ‘Project’ Avalon, imo can be considered ‘enablers’(that’s for you Donk)as if you know a person is treating people poorly such as squelching their free speech, shutting them down and purposefully discrediting them to fulfill your own agenda you are condoning the behavior by giving the very system life through your energetic support and participation. A forum doesn’t run if people refuse to participate. So I can only perceive this to be an example of 'like attracting like' otherwise why would one stay.



And the premise for your reasoning is why I have the opinion I do. No one put the idea in my head, I experienced it first hand and observed on my own as I’m sure many others did. So with your line of thinking, then you have to appreciate others are using the same logic, it doesn’t just apply to you. So that being said, I am really glad that I have found proof that meets my standard of proof and that I have not allowed the opinions of others and in some cases out right conclusions of others to ever make my mind up for me again.

I have no interest in a witch hunt, I didn't start the thread. I gave my opinion based on your above logic in support of Sarah and the poor Italian couple who is figuring out what many of us have known for a long time.

Clearly you did not carefully read my post - I made it very clear that if you did have personal experience along those lines then by all means you have the right to share about it. (see below)



Perhaps you, DF, have direct series of one or more negative experiences with Bill and/or PA that I don't. If so, I would respect you for your right to have formed your opinion and even to close the door on someone for eternity.

Dreamtimer
23rd February 2016, 21:30
Jengelen, awesome post. Thanks for sharing. I don't feel out of line now saying that it seems like there's a pattern of people asking for help and then actually getting attacked. Caution certainly is warranted.

Divine Feminine
23rd February 2016, 21:42
One point sorta related is that Simon’s implanting the fear of the white light/reincarnation cycle was a provocative entry into our little nook of the collective consciousness got my wheels spinning on some of these ideas, I really like a lot of what I learned about the discussion and exploration of the idea, as presented from his perspective. But I won’t believe that the community needed HIM in order to grow, as much as I learned—that was not the reason for his presence in my awareness. I think sarah’s life would have been just as fulfilling without him being a part of it.


And the philosophy you espouse sounds dangerously close to enabling/rationalization, and mine feels less victim-mentality than any other I am capable of.
We'll have to disagree on this one Donk. Your perception directly above supports a typical 3D line if thinking, imo. I'm not sure how else to explain. Until you do the research on your own, it may be difficult to understand my line of rationing. For more on this perspective I would look at interviews done by Neurosurgeon Dr. Eben Alexander and case study of Robert Schwartz who focuses on prebirth planning and virtues. For an even deeper understanding, figure out yourself by exploring your own past lives and you will be able to observe patterns within your own experiences that match what many of these researchers have already uncovered.

For what it's worth I think Sarah is all the much wiser for what she experienced. Soul growth isn't always unicorn and rainbows.

@ Sam
And yes, I clearly did read your post and only reinforced your personal remarks. My form of communication is probably just different than yours.

modwiz
23rd February 2016, 21:48
If see a need for us to look in a mirror. We have had a few flavors of the month in our community. I will start with "Charles/Atticus", brought to us by Bill Ryan. Anointed by him. Then the inevitable 'fall'. Corey was a reason for the membership here to swell and now........ Shane was the darling of many and now....... Simon sought after by throngs and now...... Who built these people up? It was our attention and questions to them. In many ways these people are like celebrities or rock stars whose latest releases have left us frustrated. I have never elevated these people above myself. I saw them as compatriots that a level of discussion could be had with. In most cases, I have not been disappointed. I wanted dialogue, as equals, not answers to my burning questions. I find my answers by my own devices, much of that being the sifting through of data that comes from many sources.

The real issue at the heart of all of these risings and fallings of personages within our community is our own doing and how fickle we are. Also how unsure we are of ourselves.

Chester
23rd February 2016, 21:51
Hey Sam. Triadox. I like it, paradoxically. :ttr:

I see Bill's connection to this thread as it relates to his support of Simon. It seems now that support is not so absolute. I know you have had your concerns about such support.

Bill seems pretty well able to take care of himself. A comment by Lord Sidious on a months old thread will have little to no affect on his life, work, or reputation. Unless, of course, Lord Sidious has some sort of fame and gravitas I'm unaware of.

Because we're all adults and responsible for our decisions, it's good to have as much information as possible. I'm pretty sure Malc and Aragorn would be happy to go about their business without ever commenting on or dealing with Bill again. It seems that cannot be. Such is life.

It's good to see you around here. I'm amazed that you've kept your membership at PA after all that's transpired. Way to go. I'm very glad that it's a happy thing for you again.

I'd love to see you share here now and again...:tiphat:

Ohhhhh what a year indeed. Frankly, if not for Aragorn, Malc and bsbray from TOT in very direct ways, I don't think I would have made it through. Aragorn personally slapped me up side the head in relation to the obsession I had about Corey (and I have never stopped thanking him for it). He can confirm that I did indeed wake up that very day and never looked back. Malc gave me break after break after break when he was made aware of disparaging comments I made about Malc - comments I made all and only based on my stupid decision to let others opinions and accusations become my own truth. Really stupid of me and was the entire point I was trying to make regarding Bill.

My own personal issues with Bill were based on the same, stupid mistake. I was in tight with others who developed a bad view of Bill but the fact is that Bill never once did anything wrong to me and only ever treated me with respect. I stupidly did not do the same. Only after a public mud slinging began did Bill ever "do" (meaning write) anything I had issue with in that he referenced some statements of mine from an e-mail and then took a few snippets where they could be presented out of context. But why did he do that? Because he is a human being just like I am where he was driven by his anger over what happened to him personally where he felt I was indirectly involved. I forgave that but what he forgave of me was much more.

So how did I end up back there? Simple, despite that I felt he would forever hate my guts, I wrote him an e-mail on October 19, 2015 thanking him for putting a halt to something that I had come to regard as harmful which I, ironically, but in all honesty, played a large role in creating.

A few days later Bill sent me an e-mail "issuing me a yellow card" (a great analogy IMO) and offered me my membership back. The fact is that Avalon saved my life. I have said this many times and it is no understatement. Guess what? TOT has been equally helpful. And in fact it could be said that Malc gave me several yellow cards and yet never the red card (thankfully).

I was glad to see Lord Sid post because that means he probably has read some of this thread. I wish he would share why he once felt the way he did about Bill (and Kerry). Sid doesn't really know me and likely based on the places he's been, likely heard some really bad things. If what he heard comes from that other/other forum, most of it is pure untrue at worst and massively twisted and/or embellished at best. Again, why I wish folks make up their minds based on personal experiences.

Lastly... note I attempted to assist Ria last September such that she could move her forum to an ISP that had DDOS protection. Yet the next day I get a message from her stating "someone's been talking."

Well, guess what? Everyone talks. Especially these forum folks (Ria included and myself included). What would be nice is if the talkers told the truth. Why all the fallout occurred in my own situation was because I suddenly felt at the gut level that a blogger I had come to know well had been telling me all sorts of untruths. I prefer not to waste my time with fantacists who go to great lengths to.... to... there's not even a word for it as it all makes no sense anyways.

Chester
23rd February 2016, 21:59
We'll have to disagree on this one Donk. Your perception directly above supports a typical 3D line if thinking, imo. I'm not sure how else to explain. Until you do the research on your own, it may be difficult to understand my line of rationing. For more on this perspective I would look at interviews done by Neurosurgeon Dr. Eben Alexander and case study of Robert Schwartz who focuses on prebirth planning and virtues. For an even deeper understanding, figure out yourself by exploring your own past lives and you will be able to observe patterns within your own experiences that match what many of these researchers have already have uncovered.

For what it's worth I think Sarah is all the much wiser for what she experienced. Soul growth isn't always unicorn and rainbows.

@ Sam
And yes, I clearly did read your post and only reinforced your personal remarks. My form of communication is probably just different than yours.

Hi, apologies. I reread your post and can see it as you wanted me too the first time - true apologies.

Divine Feminine
23rd February 2016, 22:06
No worries Sam, I probably could have written better.

Dreamtimer
23rd February 2016, 22:58
Thank you for your honest expressions of appreciation, Sam.

Your point about Bill not having done anything to you is interesting. There's a difficult line sometimes. You have a relationship with someone. You like them. They've always been good to you. But you know they've mistreated others. There's no easy, black and white decision when it comes to friendship and supporting someone. I know you appreciate integrity. It's worth keeping in mind when dealing with questionable character(s). :yoda:: Sherlock:

sarahdita85
24th February 2016, 00:01
Yeah I learned a lesson the hard way and I'm not angry about what happened anymore but I do think you can sometimes 'believe' things into existence, that makes certain people dangerous to me, for example, I had never even heard of djinn until simon stated what they where and that he had some that he controlled, so this makes me think was it my belief that drew one to me? They are both connected someway IMO. It can be good and bad I suppose, if it happens to be true then I have one hell of an after life planned lol, mostly with lost pets and soul mates :)

Aragorn
24th February 2016, 02:19
This is going to be a long reply because I'm going to be replying to multiple posts from different people all at once, so please bear with me. ;)





I worry about this type of belief, that I see prevailing over the community. In particular, as a friend, I just want to point out that it looks like you ARE rationalizing his behavior, and psychopath's existence. I don't think it's wise to take the effect and make it the cause. Just because you are able to learn valuable from it, does not mean that the type, or phenomenon or whatever, was put in your presence FOR YOU. I could be wrong, but I'm just suggesting you keep open the possibility their purpose may be other than to teach non-psychos lessons. I'm not trying to dismiss your idea or completely dissuade you from it, but I've been getting the growing sense that "enabling" is the biggest problem with face, and that twisting the cause/effect is a sort of subtle for of it, so am sharing my perspective for consideration as a friend.

This is more or less my opinion as well, donk, i.e. everything you experience has meaning — there is no such thing as coincidence — but that doesn't necessarily mean that what you experience would have to have meaning for you personally. Yet, in a way, even then, it would still have some meaning, even if it's only "information in passing".


Interesting thread, thanks to all that contributed...did I miss the link to the post BR has a problem with?

Apparently, it was this post here (http://jandeane81.com/threads/7394-Using-discernment-interesting-parallels-between-David-Wilcock-Bill-Wood-Corey-Goode?p=841932207&viewfull=1#post841932207). The thread itself has been closed, but resides under Witnesses & Whistleblowers (http://jandeane81.com/forums/15-Witnesses-Whistleblowers), which is one of the publicly visible categories.


To bring it back on topic, is it a fair/valid perspective to say that PA in general and BR's support in particular seemed to be a huge boost in the community's awareness of Mr. Parkes?

Yes, I would say that it was definitely a huge boost in that regard. Not a launchpad, though, because Simon Parkes had already been doing his thing for quite some time, but then he joined up at Project Avalon, and that's where his popularity seriously took off and where a genuine (and quite fanatic) groupie culture started developing around him.





I read across forums and I joined TOT and earth empaths under my own name because I really actually just wanna be as real as possible. I LOVE IT that support was given to Eyerise and that some members are "citizens" of multiple forums. It feels terrible however to have an inner "zeitgeist" that is sickly. I don't want to align myself with illness. I think this is indication here of pathologic paranoia.

I was already wondering whether the Maggie of Earth Empaths was you. ;) Were you also not on Project Avalon earlier — and perhaps still — under the name Delight? Or is that another Maggie? :)



[...] this threat arrived at my private e-mail address, and in said message, I was addressed by my legal name. Both my private e-mail address and my legal name were previously unknown to Simon Parkes, and could only have been passed onto him by Bill Ryan himself. Likewise, the e-mail address at which Malc received his own copy of the threat was also Malc's private e-mail address, which he had used many, many years ago for registering as a member at Project Avalon — long before there ever was such a thing as The One Truth. That information, too, could only have come from Bill Ryan. Both threats were sent from Simon Parkes's official e-mail account by way of his Samsung smartphone, and the threat to Sarahdita85 was sent to her as an SMS to her cellphone — she and Simon Parkes had each other's phone numbers.

I read posts on PA still as a guest. This week there is a thread about Simon Parkes and I read one long time member seem to go for the throat of another long term member in the name of ?????

With friends like this then who needs enemies? If the alt community is like a band of fearful shut-ins in the fort of "I protect for my own survival", then honestly IMO always another enemy will be seen storming the gates. We can be helpful and supportive to one another anywhere. However, some kingdoms are just awful places to live.

This is one of those reasons why I keep on saying that the alternative community is not "spiritually more evolved" than the mainstream community. They're only in a different room on the same floor, while they all seem to think they're in the elevator.


:p

They're deluding themselves. Spiritual growth does not come from believing in (or even seeing) UFOs, or from believing in (or having had experiences with) the supernatural. And it certainly doesn't come from worshipping some self-professed guru as if they are a rock star. Spiritual growth comes from introspection and self-knowledge, and leads to a greater awareness and a different type of consciousness.





I don’t take any offense my friend, I appreciate your perspective….but not only not understand the dimensions beyond the 3D, I have a personal bias that would have any information you perceive as research supporting the necessity of psychopathy or evil as intentionally twisted, to serve the purpose of those that would have you believe in the need for either.

I think “negative energy” that we can learn from has purpose beyond being our “soul teacher”…and I’ll just repeat for clarity the only point I was hoping you’d consider that I see it as an EFFECT, and not some sort of cause or catalyst or whatever it may happen to be if you end up learning and growing from it. [...]

A very astute observation, donk. There is much more to the existence of good and evil — and the eternal battle between them — than that they would merely be a catalyst for an individual soul's growth. The scope of their juxtaposition is much, much wider than that. They are both aspects of the Yin/Yang energetics of the multiverse.





Ohhhhh what a year indeed. Frankly, if not for Aragorn, Malc and bsbray from TOT in very direct ways, I don't think I would have made it through. Aragorn personally slapped me up side the head in relation to the obsession I had about Corey (and I have never stopped thanking him for it). He can confirm that I did indeed wake up that very day and never looked back. [...]

Aye, 'tis true. And we're still glad that you woke up, because you were destroying both yourself and others while you were on that path. And this while you have so much more inside of you.


:smile2:


My own personal issues with Bill were based on the same, stupid mistake. I was in tight with others who developed a bad view of Bill but the fact is that Bill never once did anything wrong to me and only ever treated me with respect.

Well, I'm afraid I cannot say the same thing on account of my own experiences with the man. Already within two weeks after my joining up as a member at Project Avalon did I collide with him. There was a stupid misunderstanding between a now also banned member from there and myself — a misunderstanding in which I felt guilty, and in which I as such contacted Christine and Claudia (Karelia) myself in order to help rectify the situation — and instead of staying out of it, Bill chose to step in and deliberately singled me out for the mere purpose of self-gratification and ego-stroking, so as to show everyone that he was a leader, which he then later on started a thread over called "My role on the forum", or something of the likes. (I've tried to look for it but I couldn't find it anymore, and I suspect that they've moved it out of the public view in the meantime.)

I did choose to give Bill the benefit of the doubt later on, even though he did at first ignore me for a while, and then later on became more interested in me, given that he had found out that I was friends with Corey, and that I had knowledge of the file on Bill Ryan that Corey had been sent by one of his FBI contacts. I tried to lay low for a while, but then the whole Simon Parkes scandal came to the surface, and I was confronted over one of my posts by Dennis Leahy, which then ultimately led to my ban. You know the circumstances, because you were one of the people with whom I was in contact via e-mail, and I believe I've sent you the screenshots of my entire conversation — if one can call it that — with both Dennis Leahy and Bill Ryan.

When Bill handed over my personal information and contact details to Simon Parkes in the (northern) spring of 2015 so that Simon Parkes could threaten me with a lawsuit, that's when Bill Ryan forever lost all credit with me personally. I've given him more than one chance, and I can be quite magnanimous, but even my patience has its limits. And if you then add the fact that I happen to have an eidetic memory and that I still remember everything, then I don't exactly feel any inclination to revise my analysis of the man.

Therefore, in my book — and it is your utter right to disagree with me — if Bill Ryan is treating you with what appears to be respect, then he's actually only playing you in the most effective manner to get you exactly where he wants you. I've been privy to too many of his Machiavellian machinations, spin, outright lies and changes of story to still naively believe in anything the man says.


I stupidly did not do the same. Only after a public mud slinging began did Bill ever "do" (meaning write) anything I had issue with in that he referenced some statements of mine from an e-mail and then took a few snippets where they could be presented out of context. But why did he do that? [...]

Because that's how he operates. He is extremely intelligent, he thinks very fast, and he's a master at manipulation. Taking just the right snippets of text so they can be presented in a different context from what they originally meant is exactly the sort of thing he does all the time.

And I have evidence of that, because he did that to me as well, with a snippet from a message he himself wrote to Christine, Claudia and Hazel on the day that Hazel was fired from the mod team and that Christine and Claudia both resigned in protest. His claim to me was that nobody got fired from the mod team — and I have that on record, because I've taken screenshots of the entire PM conversation — while he himself has announced on the Avalon forum last year — around the time that they started their smear campaign against Christine — that Hazel had, indeed, been fired from the mod team.


Lastly... note I attempted to assist Ria last September such that she could move her forum to an ISP that had DDOS protection.

I'm not so sure that Eye-Rise truly would have been DDoS'd. I'm not saying it's impossible — it has happened here as well once, by way of a TOR exit node — but it has so far been our honest observation that most of the technical problems that have befallen Eye-Rise since their inception were due to the poor quality they were getting from the company hosting their server.

And as I wrote higher up the thread already, the great irony is that the staff of Eye-Rise all had their mouths full of how Malc had supposedly hacked their server — courtesy of Paul (the Avalon administrator) whispering lies into the ears of Rakyht (the Eye-Rise administrator) — while those very same people don't even have the technical skill to properly set up their own forum and/or check for irregularities.

Did you know that for a while, their moderator and administrator forums were publicly visible to all non-registered visitors? And did you then also know that it was Malc — yes, once again, our own Malc — who contacted Ria to inform her of that, so that they could change it? And of course, as was to be expected, and just as with their last technical problem on the 29th of January 2016 where we tried to help them too, not a word of gratitude. Quite the opposite, even. They couldn't even stop speaking ill of The One Truth as a whole and of Malc as a person, and accusing us of "hacking their server".

Anyway, Dark Quark appears to be the most reasonable of the bunch, and my contacts with him have been very friendly and cordial. And it's a good thing that they've made him into an administrator there now, because he does at least have a little bit more knowledge about the technicals of running a vBulletin-powered forum, so that in the event of a problem, he can intervene. Of course, he won't be able to intervene at the server level itself — that is something only the person administering the server can do, and I think that would be Rakyht, in this case — but I believe they are now about to move to a new server, as you can read here (http://eye-rise.com/forum/showthread.php?3763-Members-amp-Lurkers-please-read-important-announcement-).

And regardless of what anyone thinks or says, we do not bear any ill will towards Eye-Rise. Really not. On the contrary, we would like to see them succeed in their efforts, and we believe that they've got a very good chance of pulling that off. We'll even cheer for them, and I mean that. Eye-Rise is a still very young forum in the so-called alternative community, and they started their forum because they wanted to do things differently. That is perfectly fine. Respect to them.

Everyone has to find their own path, and they will find theirs, just as The One Truth had to find its own path, through all the personnel changes and ego clashes we've had here over the first couple of years. And given how many of our members are registered at many of these so-called alternative community forums, information about important events and evolutions will more quickly spread across the Internet this way.

I think that in the end, it will all ultimately benefit humanity and perhaps wake up more people to the fact that there's more going on here on this planet (and beyond) than meets the eye, and that we're not all here on this Earth to serve as cogwheels in the over-industrialized financial-economic slavery machine that will ultimately slaughter everyone who has sacrificed their valuable time, energy and even their personal happiness at keeping the perverse treadmill going.

Divine Feminine
24th February 2016, 02:30
If see a need for us to look in a mirror. We have had a few flavors of the month in our community. I will start with "Charles/Atticus", brought to us by Bill Ryan. Anointed by him. Then the inevitable 'fall'. Corey was a reason for the membership here to swell and now........ Shane was the darling of many and now....... Simon sought after by throngs and now...... Who built these people up? It was our attention and questions to them. In many ways these people are like celebrities or rock stars whose latest releases have left us frustrated. I have never elevated these people above myself. I saw them as compatriots that a level of discussion could be had with. In most cases, I have not been disappointed. I wanted dialogue, as equals, not answers to my burning questions. I find my answers by my own devices, much of that being the sifting through of data that comes from many sources.

The real issue at the heart of all of these risings and fallings of personages within our community is our own doing and how fickle we are. Also how unsure we are of ourselves.

Just to add to your thought...Corey was also promoted by Bill and Co. in the same manner as Charles and Simon so let's not bypass credit where credit is due, wink, wink. Not all of us built them up either, so while I get your point, many of us could see issues up front and didn't participate in the flurry. And when some of us became vocal about our concerns we were shoved into corners, systematically made to look like something must be wrong with our viewpoint as the mod patrol would be called in to 'handle' the situation. Uh let's see what else...Some were put on vacation, memberships revoked, threads closed and/or shoved into member only categories or conspiracy threads to be hidden from public view. And like a broken record this behavior would repeat over and over again at PA which is why so many of us withdrew support willingly or unwillingly because we could see there was an underlying agenda taking place before our very eyes. Without a doubt there's no 'tilting at windmills' going on and a lot of us are more sure about ourselves than you give credit.

Personally I have no interest in dialogues with ding-a-lings(no offense), who pursue fear based, fantasy laced, non-verifiable story telling ....forgive me, I can't help myself...I feel I've been exposed to enough jibberish to last into the next couple of life times...I dunno maybe it's all the leftover residual of idiocy from previous life times wearing down my patience, lol. I'm tired of living in 'cuckoo'.

Lord Sidious
24th February 2016, 02:53
Bill seems pretty well able to take care of himself. A comment by Lord Sidious on a months old thread will have little to no affect on his life, work, or reputation. Unless, of course, Lord Sidious has some sort of fame and gravitas I'm unaware of.


I'm a legend in my own lunchbox, didn't you hear about that?
I thought all this was history, I didn't even realise what it was about until someone named me.
I am certainly NOT looking at getting into it with Bill again.



My own personal issues with Bill were based on the same, stupid mistake. I was in tight with others who developed a bad view of Bill but the fact is that Bill never once did anything wrong to me and only ever treated me with respect. I stupidly did not do the same.

Unless there is a good reason for it, it's best not to get involved in other peoples crap.
A lesson I learned the hard way.


Only after a public mud slinging began did Bill ever "do" (meaning write) anything I had issue with in that he referenced some statements of mine from an e-mail and then took a few snippets where they could be presented out of context. But why did he do that? Because he is a human being just like I am where he was driven by his anger over what happened to him personally where he felt I was indirectly involved. I forgave that but what he forgave of me was much more.

That is what we forget as well, that he is human as are you and me.
VERY easy to go saying all sorts of things in anger.


A few days later Bill sent me an e-mail "issuing me a yellow card" (a great analogy IMO) and offered me my membership back. The fact is that Avalon saved my life. I have said this many times and it is no understatement. Guess what? TOT has been equally helpful. And in fact it could be said that Malc gave me several yellow cards and yet never the red card (thankfully).

If forums are saving your life, you need help nugg.


I was glad to see Lord Sid post because that means he probably has read some of this thread. I wish he would share why he once felt the way he did about Bill (and Kerry).

Not gonna open all this up again.
I thought it was history and I am happy to leave it as history.


Sid doesn't really know me and likely based on the places he's been, likely heard some really bad things. If what he heard comes from that other/other forum, most of it is pure untrue at worst and massively twisted and/or embellished at best. Again, why I wish folks make up their minds based on personal experiences.

I don't usually take other peoples bullsh!t and throw it at others.

Maggie
24th February 2016, 04:17
I was already wondering whether the Maggie of Earth Empaths was you. Were you also not on Project Avalon earlier — and perhaps still — under the name Delight? Or is that another Maggie?

I was a member of PA signing in as Delight. I decided to stop being a member of PA. I joined TOT and Earth Empaths because I like the vibes here and there much more.

Personally I agree with Divine Feminine here;

"Personally I have no interest in dialogues with ding-a-lings(no offense), who pursue fear based, fantasy laced, non-verifiable story telling ....forgive me, I can't help myself...I feel I've been exposed to enough jibberish to last into the next couple of life times..."

and Aragorn here:

"Spiritual growth does not come from believing in (or even seeing) UFOs, or from believing in (or having had experiences with) the supernatural. And it certainly doesn't come from worshipping some self-professed guru as if they are a rock star. Spiritual growth comes from introspection and self-knowledge, and leads to a greater awareness and a different type of consciousness."

Everyone is going through phases of interest in the alt community. It almost seems a given as a pattern that by declaring oneself specially chosen and being willing to spin a tall tale no one can either prove or disprove, a shameless liar can seem really alluring for awhile.

I do think the underlying mindset of the PA system is sick. Maybe it is because of Scientology memes? Also OTHER memes have been injected (such as the fear that we are imprisoned on earth and even in prison after death.) No one can prove or disprove these ideas. A whole conspiritual belief system has evolved itself through the internet that is based on an essential feature: Humans are basically stupid and bad in a world that is doomed. Fear is pumped up to keep it in our face and people use that fear well to manipulate as they choose.

Aianawa
24th February 2016, 04:23
If see a need for us to look in a mirror. We have had a few flavors of the month in our community. I will start with "Charles/Atticus", brought to us by Bill Ryan. Anointed by him. Then the inevitable 'fall'. Corey was a reason for the membership here to swell and now........ Shane was the darling of many and now....... Simon sought after by throngs and now...... Who built these people up? It was our attention and questions to them. In many ways these people are like celebrities or rock stars whose latest releases have left us frustrated. I have never elevated these people above myself. I saw them as compatriots that a level of discussion could be had with. In most cases, I have not been disappointed. I wanted dialogue, as equals, not answers to my burning questions. I find my answers by my own devices, much of that being the sifting through of data that comes from many sources.

The real issue at the heart of all of these risings and fallings of personages within our community is our own doing and how fickle we are. Also how unsure we are of ourselves.

Hi Modwiz, am ignorant of most of PA goings on, am interested in you saying that BR built up Corey, was not fully aware of that but did know he was at/on PA, did BR give him a big start as such ?, others welcome to answer if they feel.

Woody
24th February 2016, 08:46
A.) Have you never made mistakes?

B.) Have you ever had one view of someone (for various reasons, even some which might be viewed as beneficial to yourself and/or a group you are a part of - like a project - where that someone did not give you reasons to be concerned and where the upside looked good) only later to become directly aware of many, many things which have caused you to change your mind?

C.) Do you form and conclude your opinions about others based on the statements of other others where there's not enough substantiation to your standards of what is being reported for you to then draw your own definitive conclusions?
In the case of C.) here I am sad to admit I made this very error many times during 2015. For example, I allowed the speculations of a group of folks to convict a forum owner of stalking, hacking, etc. many folks who had belonged to that forum and had in one way or another left.
I am really glad that forum owner gave me the many chances that I received and I am really glad I
made up my mind that unless I have proof of something that meets my standard of proof, I am not going to allow the opinions of others and in some cases out right conclusions of others which result in the same type of convictions witches received several hundred years ago to ever make my mind up for me again

Perhaps you, DF, have direct series of one or more negative experiences with Bill and/or PA that I don't.
If so, I would respect you for your right to have formed your opinion and even to close the door on someone for eternity. But I will only form my own opinions based on my actual direct experiences and in
those cases, I will always remain open to the possibility that in cases where my opinion becomes one of disfavor of another, that other could always change for the better.

The post I read by Bill over at PA clearly cast the action of abandoning a treatment in a pretty bad light. I assume this means that if the abandonment actually occurred.
Personally I don't doubt the sincerity of the posters of the OP yet again, I only base my opinions on Simon from my own experiences with Simon
which were not satisfactory and which I posted about on PA in January, 2015.


Hi Sam,
Don't beat yourself up!
We all make mistakes and get dragged along with drama.
I have to admit that I listened and started to believe the BS that was being said about Malc and TOT.
In my opinion it was and is someone trying to cause trouble and turn members away from this forum.
I would like to apologize to Malc for being a gullible fool and following the BS.

Regards,
Woody

Aragorn
24th February 2016, 10:27
Hi Modwiz, am ignorant of most of PA goings on, am interested in you saying that BR built up Corey, was not fully aware of that but did know he was at/on PA, did BR give him a big start as such ?, others welcome to answer if they feel.

I'm not modwiz (alias Radagast The Brown), but I too am from Middle-Earth, so perhaps my reply to your inquiry will be of equal value. :p

The thing is that Corey had already started to release nuggets of information — no pun intended, Lord Sidious :p — much earlier. Then, when Christine was going to go on a family business trip to Texas, Bill asked her to drop by Corey's place and record an impromptu "interview" with him regarding the things Corey had posted about on the forum. Bill did not initially intend for that interview to be published — he just wanted to know more about Corey's experiences for his own research — but then eventually, after hearing the recording, Bill talked it over with Corey, and asked Corey if it was okay to publish. Corey consented, and Bill cleaned up the audio a bit, and uploaded it to his YouTube channel.

From that moment on, Corey's "career" as a whistleblower was officially launched, and he started coming out with more and more information. And Bill did promote him, but at a given point in time, Corey's wife Stacy also joined up there — under the name SilverPhoenix, just as she did here after Corey's move to The One Truth — and although I don't know the exact circumstances, she got herself into somewhat of a brawl with Paul, the chief Avalon administrator. I believe it was on a thread about Scientology, and her claim was that Paul had censored her posts — which may very well be true.

Next thing, she threw it out there that the FBI had sent Corey a thick file on Bill Ryan. That's when things started going south for Corey. His wife's account was retired per her own request — and she's not exactly an easy character to deal with, because we've had our own experiences with her here at The One Truth as well — and shortly after that, Corey himself also retired from Avalon, his relationship with Bill Ryan having grown very sour. Both Corey's and Stacy's accounts were shortly afterward changed from retired status to banned, when the war between Corey and Bill Ryan broke out in other avenues of the Internet — e-mail, Corey's blog, David Wilcock's site, et al.

Eventually, Corey then signed up here at The One Truth, and so did his wife. By that time, he was already in full negotiations with David Wilcock, but of course, Corey's stay here gave him a forum — both literally and figuratively — to continue building up his whistleblower status for quite a while. And it is my personal belief that, ultimately, the Ruiner groupies were the reason why Corey decided to have his account here retired. They had been making Corey's stay here into a nightmare for him, and this then fed into his paranoia, and in the end he started accusing the staff of The One Truth — minus Malc, so that left only bsbray and myself at the time — of having been infiltrated by Ruiner followers.

And of course, Wilcock and Gaiam TV were offering Corey much more glorious perspectives than a forum where he was being bullied by Ruiner groupies — this notwithstanding our very untiring efforts to keep him and the Ruiner groupies separated. But then again, Corey and the Ruiner followers so loved to hate each other, so they were always seeking each other out, although it must be said — and I will say this over and over again — that Corey himself did at least make quite an effort at abiding by The One Truth's Forum Rules (http://jandeane81.com/announcement.php?f=&a=1). I cannot say the same thing about the Ruiner followers.

That's about as concise as I can describe Corey's rise and fall, forumwise. ;)

Aianawa
24th February 2016, 10:52
Feel the world will soon be a looking for people of integrity, clarity, flair, direct with fluffy balanced with logic as poloticians, i vote you Aragorn lol, cheers for the reply and helping me understand things better.

donk
24th February 2016, 14:05
Hi Sam,
Don't beat yourself up!
We all make mistakes and get dragged along with drama.
I have to admit that I listened and started to believed the BS that was being said about Malc and TOT.
In my opinion it was and is someone trying to cause trouble and turn members away from this forum.
I would like to apologize to Malc for being a gullible fool and following the BS.

Regards,
Woody

I just want to put this on the record, with the theme Sam brought up in mind: emotional detachment is needed to properly process all angles of this information.

One "outsider"....hell, maybe "outcast" is a better word...perspective on this place is that some people perceived all the crap DF describes here:


Some were put on vacation, memberships revoked, threads closed and/or shoved into member only categories or conspiracy threads to be hidden from public view. And like a broken record this behavior would repeat over and over again at PA which is why so many of us withdrew support willingly or unwillingly because we could see there was an underlying agenda** taking place before our very eyes.

Whether it was accurate in the wake of alt community sh!tstorm**--as some, like the eye-rise crew, those closest to Malc/Tot the longest, and a few specific individuals (including myself) thought, whether there were a few occurances--be them "mistakes" or not--that got blown out of proportion and used for revolutionary soap-box outrage preaching (which I tend to believe now), or nothing really happening but "people being people" (which I have always felt a cop out, and has always irritated me when people were satisfied with that and urging the "move on" meme)...you (and I'm specifically addressing malc here) came out of it with all these views projected on to you, at least by a handful of vocal people.

Some of those that held the first perspective STILL believe that you are the "troll" that pops up on "fringe" forums, an example of this behavior/pattern can be seen here:

http://openuptoday.freeforums.net/post/154/thread

The dude(s) have three patterns:
1. (poorly) impersonating a recognizable member of the "community"
2. cryptic non-answers with strange snippets of webpage images
3. complete evasion of any direct addressing

The example I show does not demonstrate #1, it was a slight twist. Normally it would take the poster's avatar and actual lines from posts. It would have lines mixed up, so that you couldn't even consider it a "quote". The changes are what I always found odd, and what I think leads some people to believe it is you. They go out of their not to just post what someone else said, but the punctuation gets messed up in the process which is reminiscent of your writing pattern. That, and the fact that it is completely out of context in childish way that make no sense, I think lead people to project an emotional immaturity on to you and lead them to their only conclusion of why someone would do that is to send scared/annoyed to the "safety" of your forum. Your defensiveness played into that and fueled it, I have noticed you have gotten way better at handling, so kudos there.

The second part is reminiscent of Stephen Hodges' posting style, this is my own personal opinion...which was reinforced in one of the sock puppets PMing me on another forum (IW) when the activity was ramping up, where he said something like "watch, the game's getting started" or something like that and signed it SH.

The third part is what has always really bothered me and what I continue to strive to be the change I'd like to see around here. The first two "tactics" are childish and silly words on the internet. Anyone that has an emotional reaction to them, and worse believe they are somehow directly harmed by them...is playing exactly into the game they think they're a victim of, as evidenced by the fact that the ******* is afraid to actually communicate in any way to reveal his true purpose. This leads most to believe it is just an emotionally immature attention seeking weirdo, and so by default there's not too many other directions to look but the forum owner trying to build up membership.

But as I experienced on my blog, the dude showed up when I posted Bill's private message:

http://suemebill.blogspot.com/2015/12/the-pm.html

I deleted the first comment or two, because it was plagurizing Bill mixing up the words within sentences. If it were a forum and they were using his avatar and members and all that, I might have handled it differently, but I felt BR might have a case to at least b!tch to me, as it was obviously his actual words but literally twisted. I did leave the "trolling" comments when the dude was using his own words...I WANTED them up and visible they were great pieces to use to start conversations that might shed light on his purpose, but he got all ****y, deleted his own sh!t and I never heard from him again there.

But that adds the element this dude (or a copycat wanting us to think it's the dude) wants people to believe he's Bill's enemy--or supporter, as all of that is pretty much completely unrelated to you.

The other piece in the investigation of cutty-pasty as I'd come to call him, is that he stalked the people rolled around together as a group when the rift over the Cult of CG--which subsequently pris turned into a free speech/mini-PA style forum dictatorship revolution in her mind--over almost a half dozen forums. She has a good case that she's being individually targeted...as she went by herself to the Mists of Avalon and got harassed there...all the other places I've seen besides that exception (and my blog), also included myself, purplelama, eelco/catsqotal/Sophia's choice (I got those wrong, I think, but you know who I mean), spiral/dark quark/pluto's child...and a handful of others...but these were the most vocal at all places. Shane/the ruiner, Sam, Bob, and a handful of others visibly participated in some. Any of these could be potential targets (and/or perps).

One more piece of experiential evidence: the dude used the name of your newest child, Sophia...on one of the most effective occasions, leading to the accusation of a Sophia on EE to be "outed" as a troll without even doing anything. Using that name has some people thinking it's you and others thinking it couldn't possibly be. So adding a puzzle piece.

I am just rehashing this in this context because I think it serves you to be aware others' perceptions of you. This thread is about the revelation that the discussion here critical about SP was shut down due to his suppressing the conversation with legal threats. Aragorn and TOT seem vindicated, and this has exposed BR's extreme and bizarre measures of protecting/shaping his image...and for me at least, brings up issues of responsibility for Simon's image. This is a perfect fractal of what you went through with Corey, and one other tidbit helpful to you in your journey is to keep in mind some may have the perception they do because they believe the manipulation he did with your image, where I guess most of the faithful HAVE to believe that you hacked PA (ie he ain't lying, he's mr. sterling integrity).

As for solutions, I have been doing my best to bring as much darkness out into the light, so it can be analyzed from a place in loving detachment. Showing less defensiveness and allowing conversations such as these is the example you should have been doing all along, your earlier stance of always pushing everyone to "move on" (and I believe a lot of those that "moved on" from tot in the CG fiasco encouraged and supported that at that time, your old biggest fans were the biggest enablers) before anything is resolved. Sure, it is frustrating, and seems like endless loops, but if we don't get all the cards on the table they are going to continue whether we discuss them or not. So please don't let any of my "disclosure" here hurt your feelings, I'm NOT trying to cast you in a bad light...rather show you the dark people are perceiving, how I see you continuing to be shedding light on it, and giving you platform with which you can shed even more, if you feel you can (which goes for all of us forum freaks). It shouldn't just be "woody's opinion"...it should be something we can actually figure out the facts on, together.

**with those believing that this place was encouraging or at least friendly to the Cult of CG, which ended up sort of being the case, which has been admirably owned and apologized for and hopefully learned from

The One
24th February 2016, 15:59
:fpalm:

Oh dear i feel like at times i am going round the mulberry bush with this.

Like i said before i really do not have the time nor the patience for this.Maybe if i had the time and effort investigating this phenomena as you say then i may get a bigger picture of it all.I have seen some of the posts that members have sent me about this trollish behavior and to be honest its better than reality TV.

There seem to be a select group for me who over analyze and then become judge and jury then it snowballs. Its this select group that are rampant on the other forums and stick together. Maybe its something within this group thats just not right.I really do not care what perceptions this group has of me and why should i.There is really nothing more i can add donk but this below.

At the end of the day may conscience is clear.I have a full time job have 5 children to look after and only get about an hour maximum on tot these days.I only add the radio shows once they have downloaded and this is sometime in the morning.

I have been accused of many things even a government spy i kid you not.I have had threats you name it i have had it.Someone even said they did not believe that was me and my daughter on my avatar and that was a fake picture and that i made up my whole family.:fpalm: This is just some on the nonsense emails i receive on the server

If the children in the playground want to keep this going and going and going then let them as i will not loose any sleep over it.I was told some sound advice that when you run a forum you open yourself up to a world of things you could never imagine.I was told for my own sanity to ignore it and thats what i do i just ignore it.

My 2 year old is going through the process of being diagnosed with autism and what spectrum he will be placed on so i really do have more important issues to deal with than these ridiculous accusations .Maybe its not for you but for me its complete waste of my time even bothering about this stuff .But it really does not matter what i say as some will not even believe what i have just said.

We have even gone out on a limb to help other forums out, maybe we are to kind and thats the problem but i do want to thank the members that have stuck by us :hug:

cheers

Aragorn
24th February 2016, 22:09
First of all, I want to thank donk for being so open about his concerns, because this brings additional information to the table that neither the staff of The One Truth nor I myself as an individual were aware of.

As Malc says, he barely has the time to spend on The One Truth, so he's definitely not going to be signing up at other forums and monitor or even participate in any discussions there, and I myself am only registered at one forum, namely this one here. I will on occasion take a quick glance at some of the other alt community forums, but that is just in passing, because I'm not really interested in any of them. But on occasion, I will see some thread headline at one of these forums, and if I'm intrigued and I think that it could be important enough to bring to the attention of our own members, then I'll start doing some research on the subject, see whether it's being spoken about in the mainstream media, look at what other people's opinions are, and if it then strikes me as genuine and credible information, then I might start a thread about it here. That's more or less the premise.

The bottom line is that we didn't really have any idea of what has been playing out at these other forums on account of troll activity, and I presume that most of that stuff will be taking place within the restricted members-only environments of those forums, and then it's even less obvious to us what is going on. Still, just as a token of goodwill, you are free to contact me with the details of this troll on your forum — make sure you get an IP address and an e-mail address — and then I'll see what I can do to help you pin this joker down.

I do however want to make one last comment about something you wrote — almost everything else has already been said...


[...]

One more piece of experiential evidence: the dude used the name of your newest child, Sophia...on one of the most effective occasions, leading to the accusation of a Sophia on EE to be "outed" as a troll without even doing anything. Using that name has some people thinking it's you and others thinking it couldn't possibly be. So adding a puzzle piece. [...]

The name Sophia is indeed the name of Malc's youngest daughter, but it was also the screen name of a retired member from here — a very sweet, rather shy and absolutely benevolent young woman who used to go by the screen name Amethyst (and later as Natalia) over at Project Avalon. She was bullied off of Project Avalon by some of Avalon's privileged caste members — she was ultimately then also banned from there — and I'm guessing that she joined up here at The One Truth because some of her former Avalon friends were (also) registered here, and that she as such felt a need to share what had happened to her over there. She then chose to retire from The One Truth as well, and she told me that she was leaving forum life behind her in order to focus on other things. She had also just suffered the loss of her dad, and I'm guessing she needed time to sort things out.

I do not believe for even a split second that this young woman would have it in her to troll anyone anywhere, but I am not going to exclude the possibility that she may at some point have decided to join up as a member of the Earth Empaths forum. However, I do not know what has gone down over at Earth Empaths, and it is not impossible that the Sophia they had over there would indeed have been the troll who's been manifesting himself/herself at all these forums where our ex-members dwell. I do not know.

Yet, when it comes to Earth Empaths as a forum, and particularly Christine Anderson as that forum's founder, the name Sophia is certainly not just merely a name. Christine is — or at least, last I've seen of her — very much into the Sophianic Myth. For those not familiar with that myth, Sophia is the name of the goddess who has materialized her body as Gaia, or Planet Earth. This myth is an essential component of gnosticism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophia_%28Gnosticism%29). John Lamb Lash has written extensively about this subject.

My point here is that the name Sophia is not such an unusual choice for a screen name linked to someone who would want to join up at Earth Empaths, and I'm guessing that anyone with the intent of trolling people over there — or at any other alt community forums for that matter — could certainly be choosing that screen name because of its link to the Sophianic Myth.

As for the troll's true identity, we can only guess. Stephen Hodges seems a likely suspect, even if only because this is exactly the sort of thing he gets off on. On the other hand, Hodges is dyslexic and has his own, very identifiable writing style. Perhaps this is why the troll is hiding behind a strategy of merely copying and pasting. Either way, those copy/pastes themselves and the name Sophia are insufficient information to go on when it comes to pointing a finger at any particular suspect. Again, I have no objections to helping you find out who this person is — if at all possible — but we're going to be needing a lot more information for that.

I can only add one more thing to the above, which is that one of the possible reasons why this troll is not manifesting himself/herself here at The One Truth, could be that they would be using a TOR connection. The One Truth does not allow any connections by way of the TOR network anymore due to the fact that we got DDoS'd from a TOR node in April 2015, and by someone who was a member here at the time, and who was subsequently banned — for that matter, that perpetrator is himself also one of the people who's been signing up at many of the other forums where our ex-members hang out, so that in itself already makes him a suspect as well in my book.

donk
24th February 2016, 23:33
I was only offering perspectives, very few of which I even agreed with, and was pretty careful to try to mention which ones. It's just an overview of things I've been observing at this point, which I used to "KNOW" stopped and started with Bill Ryan...and I've learned in my journeys I don't know a damn thang brotha

When Corey entered the mix and I got to know Christine better and watched what happened to Simon Parkes...busy and uninteresting or not...and whether or not it's an actual "dot" or not...one of the connecting lines blew right through here...

I was going to say that "it" (meaning my metaphorical line "connecting dots") still lingers here, and some people still consider tot and malc a puzzle piece....but I realized, it could very well be me.

My constantly checking my reality, in attempts to get others' perspective, I am sure in the eyes of some is the entirety of the problem. That's the feel I kinda got from malc at least, Aragorn not exactly far from there on top of it.

It had just seemed that you were more open to it, had come to a point where you accepted a perspective (criticizism) as a gift...I see its still tiresome. I'll leave any perspectives I hear of you (or this place) as far from TOT as I can. It is interesting to me, I think it's interesting to a handful of people, even outside the "troubled group" that do as well.

I seriously try hard not to start sh!t for the sake of it. I can help but shake it up when I see it. I've never agreed with you on when it's appropriate to "move on", sorry to keep pushing it...I really thought there was a connection to the bigger picture

To aragorn's troll stuff...I personally have never had a problem with trolls. Maybe it would bug me if I was cloned and being misrepresented...but this particular dude does it so poorly I'm hoping he does. Just like I hoped wouldn't have been chased away before getting an idea of who she was (of course all the energy readers KNOW who it is...and did well to "protect the forum :flag:)...I do appreciate the feedback though Aragorn

my real concern is attempting to create spaces that are different from the fear based emotionally stunted crap that gets displayed in places it really shouldn't. Unwinding these dramas and dealing with psycho behavior and diverse communication effectiveness is practice for my real life, every day.

Thank you for providing this one. I was trying to do what I could to make it better. I'll stop, I can see its not the case. Sorry malc, I'll be good :blsh:

Aragorn
25th February 2016, 01:15
Well, if I may make a suggestion myself here, donk, then I propose that you work on your posting style, because it's not always clear whom exactly you are addressing. Some of your post appears to be addressing Malc rather than myself, but you posted your reply directly underneath my post without including any quotes, so then it comes across as if you're addressing your reply to myself.


:hmm: :scrhd:

Now, with that said, I'd like to add a few more comments here-below...


[...]

My constantly checking my reality, in attempts to get others' perspective, I am sure in the eyes of some is the entirety of the problem. That's the feel I kinda got from malc at least, Aragorn not exactly far from there on top of it.

Speaking for myself, my objection is that there still are people who consider The One Truth as some kind of subsidiary of Project Avalon, while that is absolutely not the case. Chronologically, Malc, Church, myself and others have all been members of Project Avalon at some point, and several of our current staff members still are members there even — as well as that these staff members may also be registered as regular members at yet other alt community forums. And just like Project Avalon — as well as many other forums, whether alt community or otherwise — we are running vBulletin as our forum engine. But that's about where the comparison ends.

The One Truth is an independent organization, with its own identity, its own philosophy and its own values. And this is my personal objection to any comparison between The One Truth and Project Avalon. You cannot compare The One Truth to Project Avalon any more than that you can compare it to Earth Empaths, Eye-Rise, Imaginative Worlds or any of the other alt community forums. I will however admit that I'm not too familiar with The Mists Of Avalon, though. All I know about it is that it was clearly started as a Project Avalon offshoot and that there are many familiar faces there as well.


It had just seemed that you were more open to it, had come to a point where you accepted a perspective (criticizism) as a gift...I see its still tiresome. I'll leave any perspectives I hear of you (or this place) as far from TOT as I can. It is interesting to me, I think it's interesting to a handful of people, even outside the "troubled group" that do as well.

See, here it is not clear whom you are addressing. I presume you are addressing Malc, and I will therefore also leave it up to him whether he wants to comment on that or not.


To aragorn's troll stuff...I personally have never had a problem with trolls. Maybe it would bug me if I was cloned and being misrepresented...but this particular dude does it so poorly I'm hoping he does. Just like I hoped wouldn't have been chased away before getting an idea of who she was (of course all the energy readers KNOW who it is...and did well to "protect the forum :flag:)...I do appreciate the feedback though Aragorn

You have to see this troll situation from a broader perspective, donk.

Yes, the troll is giving The One Truth and Malc in particular a bad name. Yes, the guy — assuming that it is a guy, or for that matter, that it would be only one person — is bugging you at your own forum. And you don't really care anymore that he's trolling you. But what you're obviously overlooking is that this guy isn't just your problem, or our problem, but apparently also a problem for both the members and staff of other alt community forums. I don't think Christine will be too happy to have a troll at large at her forum, and I don't think Ria, Dark Quark or Rakyht would be too happy if that character were to show up at Eye-Rise either. In fact, I believe he/she/they may already have, but that he/she/they was/were banned from there.

Furthermore, I don't think that the young woman of whom I spoke higher up would be pleased that someone would be accusing her of being a troll, and if it really was that young woman who was registered at Earth Empaths under the name Sophia, then it's most likely also because of that troll, and because of the allegations from PurpleLama, that she asked Christine to retire her account there. In other words, there goes another truly innocent victim — at least, assuming that it was indeed said young woman who had indeed signed up at Earth Empaths as Sophia.

A while ago, someone here on the forum — I'm not going to be mentioning any names — told me by way of a private message that Pris may be part of a carefully engineered psyop. And if you say "Pris", then you're also saying "PurpleLama", because they're a tag team. Both of them, together with two or three other members of The One Truth at the time, were behind the insurrection we had going on here, where they were spamming existing threads, sending out mass PMs and starting new threads, all with blatantly false allegations about the management of The One Truth. And for that reason, Pris was banned from here. Most of the others left voluntarily, although some of them still remain here as active members.

I have now read the posts higher up the page of your forum that you linked to in an earlier post here, and so I've read the post from the person who called himself/herself Sherlock on your forum, where Sherlock accuses Pris and PurpleLama of being a tag team which goes around and trolls people. I'm not saying it is true, but I do find that very plausible — they certainly both have that in them, from what I've seen of them here at The One Truth in the first half of 2015 — and in that regard, I don't even think that it would be all too far-fetched if the so-called impersonation of Pris was part of the whole plot, as a way for Pris herself to make her entry into people's attention later "in order to clear her name". A perfect false flag.

If the person who contacted me in private regarding Pris was correct — and I'm not saying that they were, but I'm also not saying that they weren't — then it's highly likely that this would be some kind of alphabet soup agency-engineered operation for destabilizing (or even just harassing) the Internet-based alternative community. But even if that is not the case, then we're still dealing with a phenomenon which has spread itself across many different forums in the alternative community.

On the one hand, there's The One Truth as the forum which is clearly being set up to take the blame, and on the other hand, the phenomenon supposedly started at Mental Floss 2 — i.e. the forum started by Pris and Anarp after the both of them had been banned from here — and then spread to Imaginative Worlds, and from there to The Mists Of Avalon, and now it's over at Earth Empaths, and at your own forum as well. And what do all of these forums — well, apart from yours, I think, even though I'm not sure about that — have in common? Pris is/was there.

Are we starting to see a pattern yet? I know I am. Forget about Stephen Hodges. This is not his work, even though — as I said already — it's the kind of thing he gets off on.

So what I myself am interested in, right here and right now, is not just to clear The One Truth and Malc — that is of course also part of my intent — but also to get rid of this pest which is polluting all of these other forums. Because even though they are all separate organizations, with their own identities, most of the staff members who founded these forums all know each other, and have at some point been members of the same forum — whether it was Project Avalon or Project Camelot or something else, it doesn't matter. Not to mention that all of these forums have a great number of members in common between them.

So, for myself, this is not about individual forums, but about the people I know at these other forums, and perhaps even about the forum-based alt community at large. I cannot help but sympathize with my colleagues from the other forums who are being plagued by this troll phenomenon. And I think that if we can positively identify the perpetrator(s), then it would bring the alt community at large another step closer together.

Having different forums with different identities is A Good Thing™, but that doesn't mean that there has to be any actual rivalry between them. In the end, we're all striving for a better world for us all. And I believe sympathy and solidarity to be much better tools in that regard than competition and animosity.

donk
25th February 2016, 12:10
Well, if I may make a suggestion myself here, donk, then I propose that you work on your posting style, because it's not always clear whom exactly you are addressing. Some of your post appears to be addressing Malc rather than myself, but you posted your reply directly underneath my post without including any quotes, so then it comes across as if you're addressing your reply to myself.

My posts are universal :love:, I try to make them so that anyone reading them can interpret them in a way hopefully if not close to the intended meaning, than in a way that has to the value. Thanks for the suggestion, I will continue to work even harder on it.


Speaking for myself, my objection is that there still are people who consider The One Truth as some kind of subsidiary of Project Avalon, while that is absolutely not the case.

You don’t get to determine how EVERYone else sees things, but I point out perspectives people find objectionable in hopes they can be used to better shape and/or clarify the extremely invalid, defeating views


The One Truth is an independent organization, with its own identity, its own philosophy and its own values. And this is my personal objection to any comparison between The One Truth and Project Avalon. You cannot compare The One Truth to Project Avalon any more than that you can compare it to Earth Empaths, Eye-Rise, Imaginative Worlds or any of the other alt community forums

Um, I disagree…anyone CAN, and lots of people DO. But I am not really as interested in comparing as I am in connecting dots where the lines tend to run through all those places…whether you choose to ignore it or take exception to the idea or not.


See, here it is not clear whom you are addressing. I presume you are addressing Malc, and I will therefore also leave it up to him whether he wants to comment on that or not.

Sorry, you’re right, I do bounce around who the immediate addressee is…but I was only half-joking above….I write to the “proverbial you”…anyone who shares the ideas I’m pointing out…in that case, where it’s “taking criticism as an attack/annoyance rather than a gift”, malc was the primary. I thought subsequently directly addressing you was apparent enough of a segue/shift/indicator, I’ll work on it.


You have to see this troll situation from a broader perspective, donk.

I have no idea why you keep projecting me having a problem with the troll—or any “trolls”, for that matter. I love having him at my forum, it was one of the primary reasons I made it.
My “problem” was that malc was being accused of being a specific one, I figured he might like to know, and even try to rectify it…possibly even using my post as a platform for doing so. But it was also intended for valuable feedback like the feedback you gave with your perception, so thanks a ton for that as well



So, for myself, this is not about individual forums, but about the people I know at these other forums, and perhaps even about the forum-based alt community at large. I cannot help but sympathize with my colleagues from the other forums who are being plagued by this troll phenomenon. And I think that if we can positively identify the perpetrator(s), then it would bring the alt community at large another step closer together.

Well said, it has been for me too...which is why I created the "forum"...not for the happy crappy community sh!t, but to draw the energy away from those, and examine it in an "unclean, unsafe" environement. And failing that, as a depository for my perspectives....with the option for anyone to chime in with theirs.

And if you believe it was Pris, than kudos to EE for "protecting the forum", in a new and different way than ban hammer. I understand that it was more practical, given the forum sizes at the respective times...but I don't think it's the TROLLS that are the problem. It's the enablers, which we all are, to some degree...and even if you disagree that YOU (the proverbial you) are, you have to agree that's the aspect we have the most control over. We seem to be getting better, and my belief is sharing, putting as much out on the table as we can, is how we are getting there...


and I myself am only registered at one forum, namely this one here. I will on occasion take a quick glance at some of the other alt community forums, but that is just in passing, because I'm not really interested in any of them.

...for someone that could say this...you sure do have an extremely robust, very sharp, I dare say even "valid" perspective on things :blsh:

(all these were directed specifically directed at Aragorn, and generally at anyone else who might share his POV)

Chester
25th February 2016, 16:38
If forums are saving your life, you need help nugg.


Well, maybe I still do though I do not feel this way today... instead I see my experience of these forums like someone might view a support group, yet when I joined Project Avalon on December 15, 2011, I was in the midst of a full blown archontic interaction of the darkest of orders. Within 45 days I had escaped two suicide attempts, spent 8 days in a psyche ward in Panama (after the 2nd attempt), ended up in a rehab in Medellin, Colombia where on February 1, 2012 I entered an almost 3 month long true "dark night of the soul" stretch. I was beyond depressed, I was in utter despair. I ended up in my wife's home in Medellin on February 7th after escaping that rehab which was a gloried work camp yet consumed by this despair.

My depression was so great I could see how I was infecting my wife and her daughter (from a previous relationship) so I took all the money I had to my name (with only $300 left over) and bought a plane ticket back to the city I grew up in, Dallas, Texas USA. All I had was two suitcases and jacket of worldly possessions to my name and with no where else to go but (ironically) my first wife's father's home (as he offered me a room), I ended up in Dallas. Within a few days, a former "boss" offered to buy me a cheap computer and gave me some work I could do online. The only other thing I had going for me was some small monthly income from a family trust. Yet thanks to having the computer and internet... I went back to PA.

So the key to my turn around was that around March 15th or so, I dove back in to the Project Avalon forum. I was searching for answers to what might be that voice that was in my head which kept telling me "[I] had to kill [myself] to save the world." The same voice that told me in August of 2001 that "America was about to experience a major military event." - A voice I had thought was "The voice of God." I also had sought answers the the anomalous experience I had when I was six years old. That and the mystery regarding my father have been the two most important mysteries of my life (I am now 58 years old as of this writing).

Because I went to the forum, Project Avalon, and began full blown participation in many threads of that forum, on April 26, 2012 I discovered the Horus-Ra thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit) and from reading the OP... instantly my depression went away and went away completely. It was also a little later that very day I achieved the courage to post about what happened to me when I was six years old. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44353-My-possible-abduction-experience) Since that time the only experience I had with any form of depression was when I was overwhelmed by my gut change regarding the veracity of all the fantastical things told to me by a being who had become incredibly important in my life.

One of the most significant particular experiences I had in those early days at PA was when I acquired the courage to write and send my first PM to one of the posters who happened to be Modwiz. What made that particular experience so good for me was...

...not only that he replied, but the heart he put into the quite lengthy reply. We have had a cherished relationship ever since.

Yes, I needed help and help badly when I landed at Avalon. And yes, it can be honestly said that the way I utilized Avalon by reading and posting and then reaching out to folks who in time began to interact with me at Avalon played the single most significant role in why, today, I have four years of sobriety from all alcohol and drugs, why today my wife has a true husband and my sons and step-daughter have a true father and why my friends have a true friend who though he may make mistakes, and even though he may take risks where some wish to label him some "betrayer" the fact is, I no longer betray myself.

So having said all these things about the Project Avalon forum, who then should get some credit and perhaps the primary credit for that forum's existence at the time I joined?

Bill Ryan

So I make no apologies that I am (after a year playing "prodigal son") glad to be a member again at Project Avalon and until and unless I experience something myself directly where I might view Bill in a different light, I can only see Bill as I do - one who was instrumental in truly saving my life.

And guess what? TOT has been helpful for me in quite the same way. I still regret and take full responsibility for being involved with 'others' (just like I am now albeit vastly different 'others') where we, as a group, entertained notions regarding Malc as some strange internet stalker/DDOSer. What is quite important to note is all the chances I was given such that I never lost my TOT membership. What then does that say about Malc and his patience? I might add that some of the moderators here also showed some serious patience.

So anyways... all this is why I have adopted the hard and fast operational protocol that I will never, ever allow the influence of others to cause me to make up my mind about another. I will only make my mind up based on direct, personal experience. I may end up (as I have many times) a fool, but at least I can look myself in the mirror, just like I can regarding various entanglements of the past.

Maybe I am the only one who actually experiences support from these forums, but I am not ashamed to say I do and I am not ashamed to say that PA as well as TOT have been integral to the happy and balanced (in comparison to my past) life I now experience.

The One
25th February 2016, 16:51
Maybe I am the only one who actually experiences support from these forums, but I am not ashamed to say I do and I am not ashamed to say that PA as well as TOT have been integral to the happy and balanced (in comparison to my past) life I now experience.

You sound like a descent man Sam and i really did not have a clue what you went through.I cant even contemplation it but i really do hope you are in a better place now you seem to be.You have always been welcomed here whatever are differences have been.


I have four years of sobriety from all alcohol and drugs, why today my wife has a true husband and my sons and step-daughter have a true father and why my friends have a true friend who though he may make mistakes, and even though he may take risks where some wish to label him some "betrayer" the fact is, I no longer betray myself.

I applaud you for that and that's all that matters and no forum should ever change that :hugs:

Together we grow,together we learn and together we can all make a difference :h5:

Chester
25th February 2016, 17:04
Thanks Malc... for me, that form of sobriety is mandatory.

I just got a call from my only full sibling... my sister. Her only child, a very troubled daughter... that had struggled for years and years with all sorts of drugs and alcohol and though she has recently showed some promise that she might actually get it - was killed last night in a head on car crash... and it seems it was her fault.

This thing we have called life is extremely serious and (for me) is precious. Any help anyone truly receives in any form, including what they may get out of participating in forums like this one (and PA) should not be taken lightly.

Divine Feminine
25th February 2016, 17:33
So anyways... all this is why I have adopted the hard and fast operational protocol that I will never, ever allow the influence of others to cause me to make up my mind about another. I will only make my mind up based on direct, personal experience. I may end up (as I have many times) a fool, but at least I can look myself in the mirror, just like I can regarding various entanglements of the past.

So if you were friends with Hitler and he never personally did anything to you, would you continue to look the other way? This type of logic is baffling to me, but you are not alone, as I see this reasoning go on all the time. I'm not here to pick on you, but I cannot follow this line of thinking if I'm interpreting you correctly.

I just noticed your statement here:
"Any help anyone truly receives in any form, including what they may get out of participating in forums like this one (and PA) should not be taken lightly."

I agree, and it's why many of us are being so vocal about certain individuals within the alternative communities, because 'it should not be taken lightly.' So when some of us see outlandish behavior over and over again, we are stepping forward to warn others and support the one's who are brave enough to come forward to share their personal experiences.

Dreamtimer
25th February 2016, 17:34
Sympathies, Sam. I hope you and your sister are able to support and comfort each other.:group hug:

Credit where credit's due. It's a good approach. Keep it empirical. :thup:

modwiz
25th February 2016, 18:04
I do not like BR as a man, however I do not waste my energy thinking much about him. Hitler is an emotional trigger word, not a word used in reasonable debate about a common misanthrope.

Divine Feminine
25th February 2016, 18:11
Sorry Modwiz, I don't agree, it's a valid point and there's nothing hysterical. If you're not interested in wasting time on BR than maybe you shouldn't be on this thread. Why the insults?

Dreamtimer
25th February 2016, 18:42
Divine Feminine, what you said is a strong and clear example of what's already been said. There comes a point where you have to look at what people do and decide what you want to support or be associated with. It's part of personal responsibility. And hopefully we all take full responsibility for those choices that we make.

Chester
25th February 2016, 18:48
If you're not interested in wasting time on BR than maybe you shouldn't be on this thread.

This thread was actually about Simon Parkes and some recent concerns from a few folks who had what appears to be a bona fide bad experience with the man. Guess what? Under my current operational protocol, though I don't discount their claim and though I sense their claim may be quite accurate and true as they have presented it, It would take Simon, himself, to state that it is for the most part true. If he did so, then perhaps he might also apologize and also adjust his own operational protocols. But I won't condemn Simon Parkes despite what anyone says because I have found that by going on what other people say about someone specific might actually lead me to draw incorrect conclusions. This has happened to me so much in 2015 that this new operational protocol has become, for me, a hard and fast rule. I make no apologies for adopting this hard learned lesson.

As for your Hitler analogy, at some point early on I likely would have recognized character traits of Adolph Hitler which (being based on my own personal experience with the man) would likely have led me to conclude I prefer to have nothing to do with him.

Yet, it is a fact that I never did yet I would say that Hitler was a bad man based on all the massive amounts of documented evidence. You might recall that if Hitler were captured alive, he would have surely been convicted at Nuremberg and subsequently hung till dead. I am unaware if Bill Ryan (as well as almost all these folks we tend to try and convict via forum mobs) of actually being proven guilty of a crime. Rumors abound. Hell, when I made my mistake with one of the Shanolytes, all sorts of lies, twisted truths, etc. came forth from all sorts of "love lighters" and guess where I am at with it now? I consider the sources for these things. I also saw I was quite like these very sources. I made my changes. Perhaps you might one day do the same if you one day see wisdom in so doing. If not, that's still all your choice.

Perhaps folks might benefit from looking closely at why they wish to vilify another. If they actually have real, first hand experiences that would lead others to agree they should be... and you wish to make that public, be prepared to come forth with some reasonable proof. If not (as in the case of Malc the forum stalker/DDOSer as an example) it is all and only my opinion that folks should keep their suspicions to themselves as again, it becomes a trail by internet gang mob. Fortunately for Malc, he has the personal fortitude for it to not effect him like it did me when suddenly the Shanolytes cast me as Judas. But I learned from Malc on this one too. And what's funny is that every single internet forum I have ever been a member of I am still a member of today with one exception - and at that place I broke no rule! hahaha It was the consequence of an out of control internet mob.

modwiz
25th February 2016, 18:57
Sorry Modwiz, I don't agree, it's a valid point and there's nothing hysterical. If you're not interested in wasting time on BR than maybe you shouldn't be on this thread. Why the insults?

I am not insulting you but, expressing my honest opinion of you. You thinking you made a valid point only enforces that opinion. My history with the forum processes and Sam make this thread a place for me to post. It is about Simon and not BR.

Dreamtimer
25th February 2016, 19:00
Shanolyte...nice. Creepy, too.

I get your perspective Sam. I think that as time goes by and you have really firmed up your personal perspective and ground and feel firmly resistant to the opinions of others you'll be able to sort out the facts (as evidenced by things like court records) and make up your own mind. Sometimes it's just hearsay, sometimes not.

Divine Feminine
25th February 2016, 19:29
This thread was actually about Simon Parkes and some recent concerns from a few folks who had what appears to be a bona fide bad experience with the man. Guess what? Under my current operational protocol, though I don't discount their claim and though I sense their claim may be quite accurate and true as they have presented it, It would take Simon, himself, to state that it is for the most part true. If he did so, then perhaps he might also apologize and also adjust his own operational protocols. But I won't condemn Simon Parkes despite what anyone says because I have found that by going on what other people say about someone specific might actually lead me to draw incorrect conclusions. This has happened to me so much in 2015 that this new operational protocol has become, for me, a hard and fast rule. I make no apologies for adopting this hard learned lesson.

As for your Hitler analogy, at some point early on I likely would have recognized character traits of Adolph Hitler which (being based on my own personal experience with the man) would likely have led me to conclude I prefer to have nothing to do with him.

Yet, it is a fact that I never did yet I would say that Hitler was a bad man based on all the massive amounts of documented evidence. You might recall that if Hitler were captured alive, he would have surely been convicted at Nuremberg and subsequently hung till dead. I am unaware if Bill Ryan (as well as almost all these folks we tend to try and convict via forum mobs) of actually being proven guilty of a crime. Rumors abound. Hell, when I made my mistake with one of the Shanolytes, all sorts of lies, twisted truths, etc. cam forth from all sorts of "love lighters" and guess where I am at with it now? I consider the sources for these things. I also saw I was quite like these very sources. I made my changes. Perhaps you might one day do the same if you one day see wisdom in so doing. If not, that's still all your choice.

Perhaps folks might benefit from looking closely at why they wish to vilify another. If they actually have real, first hand experiences that would lead others to agree they should be... and you wish to make that public, be prepared to come forth with some reasonable proof. If not (as in the case of Malc the forum stalker/DDOSer as an example) it is all and only my opinion that folks should keep their suspicions to themselves as again, it becomes a trail by internet mob. Fortunately for Malc, he has the personal fortitude for it to not effect him like it did me when suddenly the Shanolytes cast me as Judas. But I learned from Malc on this one too. And what's funny is that every single internet forum I have ever been a member of I am still a member of today with one exception - and at that place I broke no rule! hahaha It was the consequence of an out of control internet mob.

A sociopath isn't going to admit they're at fault, seriously? You might want to take another look at the article I posted on the characteristics of a sociopath.

And FWIW, I used the example of Hitler because most people know who he his and the atrocities he's been accused of, so if some people have a problem with that, then come up with your own name to fill in the blank if it makes you feel better. Under the current circumstances many of us have talked amongst one another and feel based on what we are seeing and experiencing, there's a serious problem. I remember when some even tried to post 'evidence' on the forum and it was removed. Some evidence isn't appropriate to post, ya, I get it, but it doesn't mean there isn't a legitimate case. And like Simon is really going to admit that was his personal body part? The only proof I suppose is the possible phone number where the information came from, but of course that can't be posted either, right?

So since we all like to tout that we can think for ourselves, for some of us, between that line of thinking we have seen enough 'evidence' to be comfortable with our opinions which we are free to voice and share. Maybe if these people don't want to be vilified they should behave more appropriately and be responsible for their actions?

Divine Feminine
25th February 2016, 20:47
Getting back to the Simon controversy and yes BR is a part of this as discussed earlier…….….

So let’s make a comparison- Recently Bill and Co. took the action of publicly shaming and revoking the membership of 3 former mods, including his ex-wife Christine from Project Avalon. Who could forget the thread’s title, “Closing the Avalon accounts of two long standing members”.
In the opening statement Paul, Avalon’s long time administrator specifically comments:

“The Avalon Community WILL NOT be used as a place where such systematically abused victims are "harvested", or otherwise privately cajoled into experimentation with non-professional counseling or unproven healing modalities, or earmarked as targets to further exploit with private agendas great or small. The moderation team feels it is important to add that Project Avalon does not endorse unprofessional or inexperienced psychological counseling of such victims. We encourage members to report any conduct they feel is to the contrary.

Good counselors save lives. Christine and Karelia appear to be talented, spirited individuals - however they are not trained counselors, nor are they qualified to declare themselves "healers" of what are some of the most psychologically complex and challenging abuse victims. These victims need (and deserve) highly-trained trauma/abuse-victim support. It is our hope that Christine and Karelia will take this into consideration as they tread forward on their path. It will not continue at Avalon!”


DF talking now…..I will apologizing up front for pulling Christine and Karelia back into the public eye, but I felt it was necessary to demonstrate how ridiculous and unjustly they were treated in comparison to Simon’s activities. So it’s ok to publicly persecute these women 17 pages worth, because of the above concern…and yet, was anyone complaining about their services? I mean serious complaints? Weren’t their services given for free? Were they flashing their body parts to fellow members?!! Were they putting people off they promised to work with for several months making excuses as to why they could no longer continue the promised services and then continuing to skim for new clients? Maybe I missed pertinent information, and please set the record straight if my facts are wrong. I’ll be the first to admit I did not follow this story in microscopic detail due to time constraints, but I feel I saw enough to get the general point.

Take note of what Paul (who’s appears to be the Avalon spokesperson), says in bold black above…..I find these statements to be completely ironic considering the magnitude of the complaints that have come forward about Simon over the past few years. And yet there is only a mere 4 pages so far on his most recent alleged misconduct and a very short blurb by Bill responding to Alberto and Daniela the alleged victims see below:

“ Posted by Alberto e Daniela (here)
The problem is that he found a serious situation, started a treatment, and promised to continue the following week, promised calling us on a specific date. It was not our request for further assistance: it was an ongoing treatment for a serious case, left in the middle.

Bill’s response:
This is really important. A therapist/counselor taking on more than they can handle (or finish) can sometimes do serious damage. Like a surgeon with a patient on the operating table, if you 'open them up' (literally or figuratively) you can NOT just leave the patient there and walk away.

You MUST finish what you started, and if you encounter something you don't know how to handle, you don't, can't and mustn't just abandon your client. At LEAST, explain to them that there are difficulties and then do everything you can to find alternative support or solutions — such as recommending another therapist, and then doing a full handover, including all notes taken about the client, the progress made, and the information/situation known so far.

I too have personal experience with this (both personally and at close first hand), and it's one of the handful of absolute, non-negotiable, fundamental protocols for any therapist or counselor. An experience like Alberto and Daniela have reported is tantamount to a betrayal.


DF talking now…..Simon then comes in, makes a lame response(imo), (is it even Simon? geez how can I not think this after all I’ve seen):

Simon:
“Obviously I was very disappointed not to have been able to have met Danielle and Alberto. The facts are, that recently Danielle and Alberto emailed me on a wednesday saying that they would be in my home town on Saturday and they would like to meet up. Unfortunately I was not in a position to do so, indeed, my calendar is committed 4-6 weeks ahead and I cannot just drop one engagement for another. There have also been incredibly difficult technical isues where my messages have not been delivered and also messages to me have not been received. However I will be contacting Danielle and Alberto so that we can meet up.

In regard to the post mentioning Fran. Fran left the decision making part of Connecting Conciousness because she felt it was high time that she undertook a greater aspect of her healing skills. This necessitated relinquishing the day to day aspects that I had agreed with her. Fran remains a good friend and an excellent colleague, and there are projects in the future which she knows I wish her to be involved in.

It's such a shame that I've not even had the time to visit Avalon as I would like. My commitment to Bill who is without question an outstandingly good person, will always remain strong and my lack of presence here should not be interpreted in any way as a negative stance.

All the best,
Simon”


DF talking again….The Italian couple immediately responds…and I commend them for being well-spoken and polite considering their situation….And of course as of yet, Simon doesn’t publicly answer. So the burning question I can’t help but think…WHY THE HELL HASN’T SIMON’S MEMBERSHIP BEEN REVOKED? Why does he get a free pass when more than one person has come forward with complaints? And serious ones for that matter! Cause from what I see, he’s doing the very thing Project Avalon says they don’t condone! Hello! Just pointing out the obvious....

The logic many of us have watched and personally experienced on PA is beyond retarded and it’s the very reason why some of us are coming to the conclusion these people are sociopaths based on their behavior and how they treat others, as it categorically fits into the descriptions of a sociopath as seen here: http://www.naturalnews.com/036112_sociopaths_cults_influence.html. I see an awful lot of ‘harvesting’ going on that supposedly isn’t allowed on their forum, again imo. Why do I get the feeling that forum is being used to specifically ‘harvest’ victims for some people’s own personal pleasure? Is this how they practice their black majik or whatever name you want to call it? Is this why people come back reporting strange experiences after being in contact with some of these individuals? You can bet this is happening on other forums too, not just PA.

At the time of this writing I did not see an apology by Bill or Simon which again, categorically fits into the behavior of a sociopath.
#9) Sociopaths never apologize. They are never wrong. They never feel guilt. They can never apologize. Even if shown proof that they were wrong, they will refuse to apologize and instead go on the attack.

To me, apologizing and in a big way, would be a normal response. I personally would be mortified if someone I promoted inflicted said atrocities on a forum I was running. Is Simon even considered to be a professional counselor? I have not seen his credentials which is why I'm asking.

And if you ignore what these people have to say, the one’s coming forward, because you didn’t experience it, doesn’t that open a can of worms? So when you think of all the situations people get themselves into ….are we to ignore their experiences because it hasn’t happened to us? Can you imagine what society would be like if we ignored all the mishaps taking place around us? I'm merely suggesting you be careful about what you ignore.

This is my own personal opinion based on a combination of what I have both experienced and observed which is why I have taken the time to support a fellow TOT member and warn others of a potential nightmare awaiting them if they’re not careful about who they entrust their spiritual well-being with. If we are continually silenced in the name of political correctness it will never end. I bring a few examples forward(but not all), so some individuals might have a better understanding as to why some of us feel the way we do. Always research yourself, but understand just because you might not see some of the things we speak of, doesn't mean it isn't going on and how would you know if we didn't say anything?



PS. I don't know if it's appropriate to cut and paste remarks pulled from PA. I didn't want to paraphrase the comments as I didn't want to risk misrepresenting. So for the sake of accuracy I pulled from the horses mouth. If we need to do this a different way, I understand.

Links provided where quotes were pulled from:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?87179-Closing-the-Avalonaccounts-of-two-long-standing-members%20Why%20We%20Take%20Action%20Now:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes/page3

Chester
25th February 2016, 21:20
Shanolyte...nice. Creepy, too.

I get your perspective Sam. I think that as time goes by and you have really firmed up your personal perspective and ground and feel firmly resistant to the opinions of others you'll be able to sort out the facts (as evidenced by things like court records) and make up your own mind. Sometimes it's just hearsay, sometimes not.

Precisely and guess what mistake I made around mid-March of last year?

I took hearsay (meaning not his own testimony) from someone (person a) who was telling me what others had told him to someone else (person b) who told me "get the goods on the guy" (person c).

Now imagine how ironic it is that I am told by a well known internet celebrity (b) to get the goods on someone (c) where in less than 24 hours a completely different yet very much also an internet celebrity (a) happens to tell me what is about to happen to this third (and target) internet celebrity (c)? But this is the amazing universe within which we live.

And so like an idiot, one that held a very silly grudge and one who was trying to impress someone else (person b) so I carefully, at least I thought, copied and pasted (while changing the name of person a to an anonymous name as per their request) and then sent that information stating very clearly I considered it all and only hearsay to person b.

How funny that person b instead went straight to person c about that this was all going on and in less than 48 hours I have the strangest astral experience involving person c where one day after I experience a serious sciatic nerve attack, almost have to miss my trip to Costa Rica and where the astral experience involved a sigil (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigil_%28magic%29) and where the day after I get back from Costa Rica I find a shirt I had been wearing when the dream happened which had the oddest of "markings on it" and which I photographed for posterity (and to remember the lesson opportunity). Can someone say "black magick?" Some told me it was as this being (person c) was very heavily into such and surely he would have cast spells my way when he heard of my involvement in scandalizing him.

So here's the photos if interested and then I hope my closing comments will be read or the point of my post will be entirely missed.

1495 1496

So... can I conclude definitively that person c performed black magick on me?

My answer is, no I cannot.

In fact, how I interpret this experience is that the depth of my being believes and in fact knows the role I played in that fiasco was wrong. It was because of this very inner knowing that I opened up to this astral experience and the strange sciatica attack and then to finding this odd "sigil" looking thing on my shirt I had worn during the days when my actions took place.

I see this new view of that experience (new because back then I concluded I was psychically attacked... a lovely meme that is bandied about all over this community) as far more healthy. It took me awhile to get to this view yet get there I did.

Yet before I did guess what then happened? This drama all spilled over right here onto TOT and all sorts of unnecessary BS occurred as a result.

Does anything here say if person c did this or that (or not) as so many rumors claim? No... not either way. It simply demonstrates that there's the right way to go about things and then there's the wrong way to go about things. I now see what I did there (going on hearsay only) as the wrong thing to do. I should have told person a that if they felt a need to get this into the public, do it themselves. I also should have told person a that he needs to go back to the folks who told him all these horrible experiences and tell them to either get a lawyer and sue person c or if these things are not necessarily illegal but certainly unethical and they feel they need to have him stopped, they better be able to back it up or risk being sued for defamation of character.

To me - these are serious matters and if people want to make claims about these public figures such as happened in the above described extreme case, then find the courage to go all the way as unless they are willing to, it will almost always backfire.

I can see at least that the complaint made by the couple over at PA (the link in the OP will take the reader there) was actually addressed by Simon. Note: Simon had not posted for over 14 months. Both parties seem to view the occurrences quite differently.

So what then might be a solution here? The only one I can at all see as viable is one suggested to me by Modwiz. That folks take care of themselves and if they find themselves in a "sticky" situation, realize their own responsibility in getting there and learn from the experience and don't get there again. If instead they find themselves the object of a real, actual crime, then either live with it or take action, legal if needed and civilly if not criminally.

By the way, when I washed the shirt... the "smudges" were gone. Someone suggested to me "It must have been Djinn dust." haha

Chester
25th February 2016, 21:50
@ DF

and then all other readers.

I just read very carefully DF's post #66 above. (http://jandeane81.com/threads/8801-The-exorcisms-of-Mr-Simon-Parkes?p=841946609&viewfull=1#post841946609)

Divine Feminine made several very compelling points... several.

I didn't read any irrationality in any of what was written.

I am feeling pretty lost at the moment. Its like... what are we really dealing with here? I don't just mean here on TOT or here in these forums.

Anyways, IMO Divine Feminine, this was a very well written, and not overly emotionally charged post with several very well supported points.

Dreamtimer
25th February 2016, 21:58
Djinn dust. Hmmm. How much worse or better is that than smart dust? Both sound like something to be avoided.

Where's scibuster? I hope he's enjoying the conversation he started.

I missed the bit about the metal plate. Why would one have a metal plate under the bed?

Aragorn
25th February 2016, 23:25
I can see at least that the complaint made by the couple over at PA (the link in the OP will take the reader there) was actually addressed by Simon. Note: Simon had not posted for over 14 months. Both parties seem to view the occurrences quite differently.

Well, Simon Parkes didn't have any choice anymore but to address that complaint, now did he? Bill Ryan had openly condemned the fact that Simon had neglected the Italian couple.

Project Avalon is important to Simon Parkes as a foraging terrain, and he cannot easily afford to lose that from his supporting infrastructure. So he had to come back on-line and address that.

Jengelen
26th February 2016, 11:10
Is/Was Simon ever a counselor of any kind? Officially I mean? Did he go to school to learn to do that or is it as suggested that he just fell into it? If it just happened once or twice where someone, could be anyone really, someone touched by something he said, and they come up and ask for help or advice right? So he does it and imagine that first time, you know that first time someone slips money to him? Had to be strange, especially if he wasn't trained, was in any way uncomfortable and my guess all the signs were there telling him in his gut don't. But he did anyway and that was that and the start. After that its just a matter of time really before the crap hits the fan and now its there. Big surprise. Many saw it coming and its like yep. We tried to tell ya and you kicked us out for it. Oh well your loss, he took the funds or the checks or whatever and made commitments and then didn't keep them. So what happens typically with anyone that says what they are going to do and then does the opposite or nothing is that they get called on it! Frankly I'm surprised it went so long. If he or anyone said he was getting back shortly then 14 days is too long. Any longer is just con and someone playing games both with you and themselves.

A true counselor would say to the counselor, go to the bank, take out what you owe those you dropped the ball and repay them with apologies or do the work. No excuses, not BS just do it get it over and then stop the game! In a way you all seeking this guy are your own worst enemies. Everyone legit tells anyone that all truths lay always within, that the answers are inside you, not outside you. You are not going to find your truth in Simon's lap! You only find it in your own!

Aragorn
26th February 2016, 11:24
Is/Was Simon ever a counselor of any kind? Officially I mean? Did he go to school to learn to do that or is it as suggested that he just fell into it?

No, he's not a trained professional. His normal job is as a driving instructor, and he's also a member of the Town Council of Whitby for the Labour Party. Last I heard he was trying to run for mayor. ;)

Divine Feminine
26th February 2016, 14:56
Thanks for clarifying Aragorn. I didn't think he was a professional, but wasn't 100% positive which is why I asked in my earlier post. All the more reason why he should be kicked off that forum for his outlandish behavior. I knew about the town council position.....but running for mayor...god help those people.

donk
26th February 2016, 15:27
Well, as long as people are worried about whether he lives up to Bill's standard of qualified healer (not to mention sterling integrity), he's not being accused of abuse or any other malicious manipulation...so he's got that going for him :tiphat:

Maggie
26th February 2016, 16:52
Well, as long as people are worried about whether he lives up to Bill's standard of qualified healer (not to mention sterling integrity), he's not being accused of abuse or any other malicious manipulation...so he's got that going for him :tiphat:

I want to pipe in with something I have not seen addressed about people in the online world. Indirect insinuation sticks in the mind and can then be pulled upin memory as a factoid.

A person known by others and identified as lets say "A" person is " A someone". Then behavior can be associated indirectly with that "A Someone" and then it is somewhere else reported that "A Someone" did such and such so we immediately think we know it was THIS "A Someone". This may be why it is suggested we be circumspect about accusing members and the whole PM gossip wheel??? I think so.

In the case of Simon, along the way I noted some seeming insinuation of inappropriate exposure or something that was vaguely worded. Way way back there was a thread on PA that was calling out a forum predator of some kind (not named) and the insinuation in my mind developed that maybe it was Simon without any direct link.

The same thing happens with accusations of others being trolls. IMO it is sad that being irriating and impolite and emotionally reactive and all the characterustics of trying to be in communication but failing in positive human communication becomes mixed up with nefarious "trolling".

I have nothing except indirect testimony with Simon as I never had a relationship but IMO these "whistle blower" story tellers are all wanting attention (I would say 99.99% probability). Otherwise, they would be not be asking us to follow their sagas as the center of our attention. And we are seeing how being "soft" on whistle blower confrontation leads to a tangle FOR THEM TOO.

So in a way, with Simon and his reputation, we ended up with much more damaging indirect accusations that cannot be addressed. And this is true for others. If we are real people and not bots, we need honest and fairly direct ways of vetting our trust.

IMO it is really important to create a vetting system that is direct and at the BEGINNING of contact with people who then go on to "develop" as characters.

And IMO PA has been the poster child for the problem in many separate relationships. As an example, in the case of Christine, the secrecy that was shrouded around the relationships and then later "divulged" when a break up occurred was really smarmy. This forum world looks like the worst kind of soap opera of "He said, She said" and it never develops in plot beyond a certain celebrity "In and Out" of popularity.

The set up BEHIND many examples of charlatan usury is our desperate need.

Maybe I do want a person to set a broken bone but my psyche is MINE!!! I doubt the underlying need for removers of implants, past regressionists, trauma deconstructionists, blue avian salvationists, and all psyche healers on any level. I am very WELL thank you. There is only my stiuff that makes me feel ill. I am very sure we are hampered by energy unawareness but no healer can help us see what we have denied. We need to look at our own blind spots. No biggies...practice with REAL life.

Buy in of belief ends up recycling through the latest popular "health" practitioner certified OR NOT. Thanks for letting me vent. Maggie

Divine Feminine
26th February 2016, 16:54
Is/ So he does it and imagine that first time, you know that first time someone slips money to him? Had to be strange, especially if he wasn't trained, was in any way uncomfortable and my guess all the signs were there telling him in his gut don't. But he did anyway and that was that and the start.

Well here's the thing...sociopaths don't feel guilt so they don't worry about thinking they're doing anything wrong. It's how they're wired. Which is why they won't apologize. You will find many of them in high positions, CEO, Presidents/world leaders, banking industry, government organizations.....I would bet my life these people are sought after and those in control know where to find them. How? Because it's my understanding that all babies born have blood taken from them so it's being recorded and attached to their social security number or whatever identification number a country uses. And they would have to do this in order to locate them as only a small percentage of the population has the proper genetic makeup to play the role of the sociopath. By placing these people in key positions it doesn't take much for them to wreck havoc as they can now call the shots for the rest of us. Makes you wonder how many of our elections are truly genuine. Take a close look at some of the world leaders and their behavior! Not too hard to see why we have such a mess going on.

I do believe there is a connection between O- negative blood types and sociopaths. I would love to take a look at a couple of their astrological charts to see if I could notice similarities. This will prove difficult unless you have a time of birth. So these hospitals give those in control a mechanism to search for individuals who fit the profile. And seriously after all the fraud we've seen don't tell me your information is protected as if 'they' want access to it, they're gonna get it. They know who these people are and where to find them. My twin flame is a sociopath and former banker/VP for a very large and well known bank. And you know how he got into the industry? He was recruited on a flight into San Francisco by a bank executive he 'just happened' to be sitting next too...Knowing a sociopaths behavior, they respond quite well when their egos are stroked and they're made to feel important....how could he refuse the opportunity? He was getting an offer of a lifetime. He was well educated, intelligent and rubbing shoulders with wealthy and well known elitist from the East coast. They knew who he was....they knew what colleges he attended, they knew his IQ, and without a doubt they knew he had the genetic make-up of a sociopath. I cannot prove this, but I have high suspicions this is going on and has been going on since at least the 60's when they first started taking blood samples. I don't think you have a choice to refuse, it's protocol. And this is exactly how your countries and every aspect of them have been taken over. They find the right specimens and groom them. And just to be clear, no I'm not a sociopath. My twin flame and I are the quintessential of yin and yang, polar opposites...just in case someone is wondering. Having been raised by a sociopath(adopted father) and close conversations with my twin flame, I know sociopaths very well....but I will tell you this is all by design which I've explained in great detail on another thread.


After that its just a matter of time really before the crap hits the fan and now its there. Big surprise. Many saw it coming and its like yep. We tried to tell ya and you kicked us out for it. Oh well your loss, he took the funds or the checks or whatever and made commitments and then didn't keep them. So what happens typically with anyone that says what they are going to do and then does the opposite or nothing is that they get called on it! Frankly I'm surprised it went so long. If he or anyone said he was getting back shortly then 14 days is too long. Any longer is just con and someone playing games both with you and themselves.

What happens on these forums, is the second someone tries to voice a strong opinion or concern they get shut down. Their posts get deleted or they are reprimanded/put on vacation so they can't speak. Well if you're on a forum and you don't have a way to contact other members you are locked out. How can you warn them? Fortunately over time, many of us have exchanged emails, shared information which is why more and more are catching on to what's taking place. I suspect a lot of these forums, not all, but a lot of them are started for the purpose of controlling the information. So straight out of the gate, you are walking into the abyss not realizing what you're getting into. So these forums 'fear' people into not wanting to speak out. If you notice, the Simon thread we've been discussing only has 4 pages of comments, and I suspect it's because people are afraid to even share how they really feel. There should be serious outrage and if you know Sarah's story, you would understand even more why. But here's the problem, she and others have been stifled and unless you saw this, knew the back story combined with all the other b.s. that has taken place you would have no knowledge or concern over the matter. Here's just a mini-example of someone being stifled, look at what this one poster had to say:

Working Actor:
Guys..

It amazes me how many people in the 'spiritual" community, have all these grand contacts with offworld intelligences..but they need $29.95 of YOUR money(or whatever amount) for their books,or their "readings" or whatever the hell else, to get their rent paid and keep their lights on. Seems to me if Simon actually was what he says he is, he could come up with a better way to keep himself in beer and potato chips.

Keep giving away your power,people. I'm sure it'll end well..#SMDH


DF talking now- He was then somewhat reprimanded for his comments by Paula, a long time member and former moderator(it appears they have her 'trained' quite well). She meticulously responds to each of his concerns. I underlined the one jab that irritated me the most because what's the message this sends not only to the poster but the rest of the community:

Working Actor says:
Seems to me if Simon actually was what he says he is, he could come up with a better way to keep himself in beer and potato chips.

Paula's response:
Food for thought: lowbrow poke-pokes says more about the person spouting than the one they attack.

Working Actor says: Quote …need $29.95 of YOUR money(or whatever amount) for their books,or their "readings" or whatever the hell else, to get their rent paid and keep their lights on.

Paula's response: I’ll purchase books and donate as a way to thank those for their time, energy, work on themselves and courage to put forth their point of view. Heat, electricity, food…the basics to help one’s family to survived? Unfortunately, that’s plain old reality.

Working actor says: Keep giving away your power,people.

Paula says: Yes, self-empowerment, healing and listen within are the goals. Many need a jumpstart from shared wisdom, synchronicities and such.


DF talking now....She then throws up an 'off topic' icon which is done all the time to get you back in line, and/or supposedly justify the comments being made. Or, often I've seen a person get the 'Back on Topic' icon thrown at them. And the point being to try and discredit you for thinking such silly things, but hey, there's no censoring going on here, look the other way. It's a subtle action such as this which creates the atmosphere of censorship and partly this is due to many knowing her past position. The above conversation took place in two posts, but as you know it doesn't copy over this way which is why it looks choppy. I'm not gonna critique every facet of a person's comments. Ya, maybe he could have said it a little better, but you get the jest of what the guy is saying and again this is his right to express himself. Paula's remark "Many need a jumpstart from shared wisdom, synchronicities and such" tells me she has no clue what Simon is even about and/or if she does, than she's basically aiding and abetting. I don't see how Simon can be the kind of person you need shared wisdom from or a jump start, but hey, this is just my opinion.

The above is only a minor exchange, this is n.o.t.h.i.n.g. compared to some of the stuff I've seen go on. But imagine this....How often have you missed a heated exchange because the entire comments were deleted? Maybe even the poster was eliminated? So as far as you're concerned nothing ever happened right? Which is why many of you may feel in the dark about what's going on, because by the time you sign in to the forum, posters have been vacationed or memberships revoked, in order to shut them up so you have no idea of their concern as it's been wiped away as if it never happened.

To be clear, I speak to everyone, I'm not talking to Jengelen only. I merely used his/her comments to launch the thought process. I am very sincere about teaching others what's taking place on some of these forums so I appreciate that I'm not being censored. I'm not trying to be a jerk here. I'm sure PA isn't the only forum with issues, and I'm not targeting select individuals because I have some hidden agenda, I'm calling it as I see it. I think it's important to talk about this intelligently so people have an idea of the musings occurring before their very eyes. Not everyone has all day to sit on a forum in order to identify nefarious activities, ya, I get it. But to truly understand what's going on, you have to be patient, observant and have somewhat of a good memory. With all that's being posted it's very, very easy to forget some of the shenanigans that have taken place. Most people don't pay attention cause hey...it's not happening to them right, so why should they care? Those running the show know this and a moment of drama will be soon forgotten allowing the pattern to repeat over and over again as members are purged(the one's who get what's going on and speak out) to only be replaced by new victims who are excited to be a 'part of the team'. A forum that asks you to fill out information and give reasons why you should be considered a candidate for 'their' forum sets up the standard that tests your ego. Why? Because they tell you not all who apply get accepted right? So now you're 'special' because you've been accepted to be a member on a well known forum within the alternative community. See how that works? And ya, I fell for it too....we all did, which is why many of us got on there.

Like I told Sam in a private conversation. I somewhat grew up on Avalon as several of us did. I met wonderful people and had many eye opening experiences. I am all the more wiser and grateful for my 'training', ha! Now I can teach others what I have learned. And to think I haven't even told you the half it, lmao, and no I really don't want to as I have so many more interesting things to be researching. It takes effort to pound out monster posts in great detail and I usually do not have the time to write book-quality dissertations. I hope what I'm sharing helps others be more aware of their surroundings and enables them to identify patterns of negligent, gross misconduct, and inappropriate behavior. Do read the link I provided on sociopaths as it will help you spot potential problems that may wreck havoc on your lives not only on forums but in the real world...uh..wait...I mean the illusion world, lol.

Maggie
26th February 2016, 17:29
Divine Feminine,
I think that you are correct that we were trained in an underlying culture in which traits of narcissm and sociopathic behavior shapes what we consider "normal" behavior. IMO, This distortion is the biggest problem we face as a human species. Thanks, Maggie

EDIT
There are some issues in life that we each have personal interest, knowledge and maybe obligation to stand up to "fight" but the alt community is off on some IMO strange faux tangential issues that we never can actually do anything about (like UFOs, like archontic infection etc.)

I know this is a little off topic but it has to do with a real and IMO compelling problem that is REAL and personal to me. the issue has to do with what is in my capacity to change (even by nonparticipation) and "What is my willingness to support as a cause?"

Nurses are IMO one group who are complicit in supporting a system that includes very anti-life liberty and happiness affirming behaviors. It is seen by what vaccines and inappropriate dependence on pharmaceuticals means for poeple.

Example:
I learned as a nursing student in 1976 that overuse and misuse of antibiotics was a TERRIBLE problem.

Then as a Nurse Practitioner trainee in 1988, I was very vocal and active with the clients I saw to avoid using antibiotics when people presented with "cold symptoms" and nonbacterial infections. This often angered the patients. I was the same with narcotics for pain and sleeping pills, anxiety medications etc. presenting patients wanted these drugs. I decided not to continue being in this role because I just did not like being in a position to always be in opposition based on my own concerns. I did not want to prescribe drugs that I think are not helpful.

Regarding vaccines, I believe we have the right as a parent, as a person to say no to vaccines.

Vaccines may be a gross way to give herd immunity but they hurt individuals and there are other ways to treat individuals who are ill. In 2010 I was one of the first health care workers to face mandatory immunization. I left nursing because this was an affront to my own integrity.

Since then the issue is escalating and WHISTLEBLOWERS Like Andrew Wakefield face all the blow back possible in the interest of the "normal" community fears from the "uninformed crowd", greed of the phramaceutical interests, desire to have measurable objective evidence of compliance of insititutions and other reasoning.

I respect the need to bring information to the community. I consider the people like Andrew Wakefield to be real truth tellers. It is IMo a psyop that we get enticed to spend hours on youtube with The personalities of wowo woowoo like CGs, SPs, SGs (initials you may recognize) rather than mobilizing to protect our physical interests like the freedom to choose vaccines and how we receive them. IMO this is what is important and is REAL.


Dr. Andrew Wakefield, in the meantime, lost his career and name for simply following the truth his research led him to. He became the scapegoat, the “straw man” to knock down in the mainstream media. Every time someone would bring up any question regarding vaccines and autism you will usually encounter something like: “That theory has been totally proven false, and the guy who made it up was convicted of fraud.” I have even had people tell me on social media that “the guy” (most don’t even know his name) did “prison time.”

However, Dr. Wakefield was never convicted by a jury or in a court of law, and he lives in the U.S. today. He has issued challenges to his accusers to debate him in the media, but of course they have never accepted his challenge. He is a leading expert in gut health, a subject sorely needing research today, in an age where not only vaccines, but antibiotics, pesticides, and many other things have destroyed our ability to digest our food properly, leading to many bowel diseases. A list of his research, provided from his Facebook Page, is listed below.http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/the-vaccine-autism-cover-up-how-one-doctors-career-was-destroyed-for-telling-the-truth/

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Divine Feminine
26th February 2016, 18:34
Yes, I think the key to eradicating acceptance of sociopathic behavior is the ability to properly identify it first. Once people can properly identify it, they have to learn how to remove the acceptance of the behavior from society. Things have gotten out of control due to many who chose to look the other way as it wasn't happening to them. Now.....because the behavior is tolerated, the stakes are higher for those who speak out. So the masses are being 'feared' into submission, in order to control and shut them up. What we see going on in the forum surroundings is merely a replication of what's taking place in the society as a whole. It's a very easy trap to get sucked into as you watch individuals repeat the meme's amongst eachother. So much so, they probably don't even realize they're doing it. I'm sure I've done it, maybe I still even do it....It's time to break the cycle and stop giving these people a podium.

We have to be cautious...it's really easy to start pointing fingers as you mentioned. From my experience of being raised by a sociopath I will tell you a couple of key things that consistently stood out....
1. They will not apologize for nothing! They are never wrong and will fight you to the death defending their idiotic behavior. And often it's behavior that doesn't make sense which is why you cannot rationalize it. It's not you that is doing something wrong. Typical 3D thinking is you are trying to figure out what you did to generate their poor treatment towards you. It's not you! 'They' don't make sense and that's the point!

2.They have no heart. Often cold with minimal emotions, they do not have the capability to 'feel'. So you will notice them doing things that most would could consider unacceptable and yet they will show no remorse or they will think something is truly funny when it isn't especially when it hurts another person.

3.Their behavior is irrational.

This takes time to observe these patterns. I have watched for several years on PA, so it allowed me the opportunity to notice out of ordinary behavior and repetitive character traits through not only typed words, but video, audio, research and specific situations transpiring right in front of me. Most sociopaths I have observed seem extremely intelligent. Also, pay attention to their line of work, that can be telling.

Certainly there are qualities on the list that many people have. It's when you see a good majority of them if not all in a person and the repetition of the same behavior over time that makes for a more compelling identification.

Divine Feminine
26th February 2016, 18:43
Bang on Maggie! I see you added more to your original post! Yes! I'm glad you went there! Part of our responsibility is saying 'no'! There are countless people working in industries who support and implement this sociopathic behavior! Drives me nuts! I personally have taken the stance and removed myself from as much as possible. I know it's almost impossible to pull yourself out completely especially when it comes to the monetary system, but a little effort might go a long way. The other obvious dilemma is saying 'no' which can have a devastating effect on someone's earning capabilities...it's a huge problem. But the more we let this get out of control, the worse it's gonna get.

You might like to know I'm a member of NVIC which stands for National Vaccine Information Center which promotes Your Health Your Family Your Choice/ See here:
http://www.nvic.org/

When you sign up you can be notified when crap is taking place in your state to be blunt.

sarahdita85
26th February 2016, 18:54
Yeah everything you have said makes sense to me SP often laughed at things which where not remotely funny which confused me, also had no regard towards anyone else's feelings, (having a wife, fiance and gf all at the same time and he brought the new fiance to meet the wife). The reason I didn't bring it up much is because other men who fancied themselves as 'alpha' males made me believe it was all my fault by having 'provocative' pictures as my profile pic, which was me wearing a 1950's style knee length strapless dress and wearing makeup. When you listen to things long enough you start to believe them. Not anymore.

Maggie
26th February 2016, 18:55
I know it's almost impossible to pull yourself out completely especially when it comes to the monetary system, but a little effort might go a long way. The other obvious dilemma is saying 'no' can have a devastating effect on someone's earning capabilities...it's a huge problem. But the more we let this get out of control, the worst it's gonna get.

OK, so what was one of the very first presenting statements of Simon Parks at PA? He emphasized that humans are the CREATORS of our reality. Yes, we Lose much by refusing to cooperate with the old system. But if we spend the majority of hours pondering our inability to cooperate with the old system, we miss the opportunity to open some unknown avenues.

The same people that tell us we are the creators (and they say that because we ARE and we know that deep down) spend the rest of the time cataloging why we are stuck, sick, impoverished, victimized and pathetic. We are mired in the psyop of "I KNOW WHY we cannot create anything new". Then we are left with nothing BUT "I must cooperate better to survive" and the sociopathy continues.

.....think about that constant message, that constant reminding of "who has the power?"( and it's ...not you) and you have the stick of the "Narcissists are US" controlers.

Chester
26th February 2016, 21:21
Thanks Maggie - great points.

My post regarding persons A, B and C was more about the stupid role I played in taking hearsay and rumors to a bigger level. The reason I felt it wise not to identify publicly who person A, B and C are is because their publicly disclosed identities don't effect my point.

My point was all and only that I stupidly took hearsay info to another which then blew up things to a bigger degree than may have otherwise occurred if I had not.

This doesn't mean that statements made about person B are not true or true, either way. But I had no proof and so I should not have done what I did.

In addition, and this is only the way I prefer to operate now, I have decided that unless I have my own direct experience of something, I am not going to become involved in the internet gang mobs that I find spring up (and of a few I had once been a part of).

In part, I came to this protocol because when I shifted my position regarding the veracity of a minor internet celeb, I was targeted by an internet gang mob beholden to that celeb! Not fun. And there's nothing one can do because so many people seem to enjoy trying and convicting those who simply don't believe the same things they believe. They will go to the lengths of creating false stories and theories based on very little truth if any and in most cases when truth has been involved, it is twisted into something far from the actual truth. How ironic so many of these same folks like to point the Orwelian finger at others when they are kings (and queens) of double-speak and truth-fiction.

Aianawa
26th February 2016, 23:57
Hi Sam, you have been thrown down the toilet a few times and thrown yourself also FMO ( from my observation ), also fmo you learnt, changed, improved intuition and helped others with your learnt and experienced perceptions, applause from another toiletor lol, once we stop annoying ourselves with others who smell, look and we're taught by a duck also, we only will quack from memory.

Divine Feminine
27th February 2016, 02:13
Yeah everything you have said makes sense to me SP often laughed at things which where not remotely funny which confused me, also had no regard towards anyone else's feelings, (having a wife, fiance and gf all at the same time and he brought the new fiance to meet the wife). The reason I didn't bring it up much is because other men who fancied themselves as 'alpha' males made me believe it was all my fault by having 'provocative' pictures as my profile pic, which was me wearing a 1950's style knee length strapless dress and wearing makeup. When you listen to things long enough you start to believe them. Not anymore.

Right on...it all makes sense now when you see the descriptions doesn't it? Making you think you're the problem is part of their attempt at control. They will insult you and try to make you look foolish in front of others as they 'get off' on discrediting you. What you're experiencing is a person who's imbalanced and incapable of changing their ways as in 'their' mind you're the problem not them. Arrogance is their weakness. And the reason this behavior appears to be accepted by others is due to the majority of the population looking the other way and doing exactly what Maggie says below, "I must cooperate better to survive." When I was growing up, friends and family members could see something was very wrong with how I was treated, but no one ever intervened to help. How many times do we see this go on?



OK, so what was one of the very first presenting statements of Simon Parks at PA? He emphasized that humans are the CREATORS of our reality. Yes, we Lose much by refusing to cooperate with the old system. But if we spend the majority of hours pondering our inability to cooperate with the old system, we miss the opportunity to open some unknown avenues.

The same people that tell us we are the creators (and they say that because we ARE and we know that deep down) spend the rest of the time cataloging why we are stuck, sick, impoverished, victimized and pathetic. We are mired in the psyop of "I KNOW WHY we cannot create anything new". Then we are left with nothing BUT "I must cooperate better to survive" and the sociopathy continues.

.....think about that constant message, that constant reminding of "who has the power?"( and it's ...not you) and you have the stick of the "Narcissists are US" controlers.

What I've noticed is they have flipped everything in society...they tell you one thing painting a pretty picture and then go do the opposite, which is how they build their foundations of falsities off of the backs of the people. It is the hamster wheel to no where. I think in some cases people don't have the intellectual capacity to see what's happening right in front of them. I can see the dead looks in their faces. Sadly it's years of poisoned food, water, air, vitamin deficiency, and poor education adding insult to injury.

Chester
27th February 2016, 03:58
Yeah everything you have said makes sense to me SP often laughed at things which where not remotely funny which confused me, also had no regard towards anyone else's feelings, (having a wife, fiance and gf all at the same time and he brought the new fiance to meet the wife). The reason I didn't bring it up much is because other men who fancied themselves as 'alpha' males made me believe it was all my fault by having 'provocative' pictures as my profile pic, which was me wearing a 1950's style knee length strapless dress and wearing makeup. When you listen to things long enough you start to believe them. Not anymore.

I remember the pic and trust me... I'm a dog. But I never thought that pic provocative. I like the smile and confidence you showed and thought it was a good pic.

Dreamtimer
27th February 2016, 07:35
Sarahdita85, no-one should ever tell you you're a 'slut' or 'sending the wrong' message when you post a nice or pretty picture of yourself. If the man, or anyone, had basic decency he'd compliment it for what it is. Thanks Sam! (you're a good dog:p).

That's exactly what these types do. That way they make you feel responsible for their own wrongdoings. You did nothing wrong.

I don't get the fascination with these types. But I come from a place where I decided at the tender age of 16 not to take on any sort of guru. I also don't want to be taken advantage of when I'm all starry eyed. Infatuation can lead to that. I was always careful about dating guys I was over the moon about.

donk
27th February 2016, 12:02
I think we need to get away from "types", focusing on generalities will only get you so far...and more often than creates a whole bunch of distractions and/or straw men.

The facts are that here people (well, at least one person) were openly, directly providing examples of what they felt was abusive behavior. I watched as that discussion was shut down. It's hard to discern too many "facts" (unless someone cares to lay them out?), but that episode was cause for concern

The fact is an accusation that BR himself describes in detail is harmful and irresponsible, which was his exact basis for justifying expulsion of Chritine (if not Hazel and Karelia...I wasn't clear on if he accused them of the same or guilt by association). Not that he needed an excuse, hell I think most people would understand wanting to get your soon-to-be-ex-wife off the forum, but he was using that as a vehicle to shape an image, one he himself sh!ts on by allowing him to remain a member...or at least publicly telling him how an "acceptable" healer should be behaving, like he did with her.

And neither of those points are really what bother me, anyone that wants to believe in BR or find healing in SP apparently need to learn for themselves. It's great to provide perspectives for people to make more informed choices, it's troubling the way that can be so easily manipulated on a forum and it's sad and hard to watch bright eyed bushy tailed niave people walk into it (and no I don't believe they NEED that trauma for a soul lesson, but I digress).

It's the long timers that sit back or worse openly excuse the patterns of behavior that they should know better. its the enabling. When someone puts themselves in the position they did (BR in the designator of "integrity" and "qualified healing" and SP offering service that puts people in vulnerable positions), they must be held to at least their own stated standards. And when they break that trust, expose their hypocracy, they need to be held accountable...or ideally at least own it and apologize.

They can only get away with it, continue the pattern...when they have the support of enablers, people who should know better but excuse and rationalize or ignore or forget it away. (I know this seems a generality, directly contradicting my opening statement but I have several individuals directly in mind, as I'm sure a lot of people reading this would have their own)

Maggie
27th February 2016, 16:19
It's the long timers that sit back or worse openly excuse the patterns of behavior that they should know better. its the enabling. When someone puts themselves in the position they did (BR in the designator of "integrity" and "qualified healing" and SP offering service that puts people in vulnerable positions), they must be held to at least their own stated standards. And when they break that trust, expose their hypocracy, they need to be held accountable...or ideally at least own it and apologize.

They can only get away with it, continue the pattern...when they have the support of enablers, people who should know better but excuse and rationalize or ignore or forget it away. (I know this seems a generality, directly contradicting my opening statement but I have several individuals directly in mind, as I'm sure a lot of people reading this would have their own)

You along with Sam point out how "group belonging" creates the enforcing body for the "local PTB". I can't help but think of how formed cliques, gangs, political parties, cults etc. all depend on the members for enforecement. One "leader" cannot do anything.

The OP is about "exorcism". I think that believing in implants and psychic attack is a kind of program that keeps us in line LIKE VOODOO> The remedy of the collective "healing" is ABOUT safety in numbers. IMO the issue is that we have a huge gap of communication with our own access to "mind". We have so many commonalities as humans when trained by other humans. One of the biggest trainings is about group cohesion. The family being the first group.

When one feels betrayed by one's "group", it is a terrrible blow to "I feel safe". We have plenty of people who will and always have been telling us "you have been betrayed". BUT without giving one the way to be sovereign and able to withstand being isolated form the group (sovereign is so thrown around that I actually dislike it a bit) and THRIVE, we will cling to some group.

LOOK to Scientology. The members in the HOLE police themselves. The people told to have no more family contact police themselves.

I do reference this body of programmers because IMO it has seeped into the whole community through beliefs and practices and we have no idea of where all this arose. It started in science fiction and became true as performed in action by humans. Robert Anton Wilson is my go to person who explained well that it is not what we believe but that we Believe that starts feedback loops from the environment to support our observation of what is believed.

The only way we can be controlled is by believing we need to be controlled because we fear the consequences. Then we need to believe we control for the good of all so they are safe. Then we need to bond in our mutual fear and belonging and ALSO fear loss and being segregated. Then we need to hate what would separate us from what we believe keeps us safe.

This may seem like generalizations but the bottom line is we have to be able to feel all those feelings of our own loss, betrayal, fear etc. and transmute them.We can then IMO stand moving through them (and face the terror of the programmed groupiness). IMO we use feelings as they come up in a way that helps reach into our own "mind". That is why I think some have said to move toward fear as a doorway?

Without being able to stand being "thrown out of the group", I think we are bound to replicate the same negative issues of our clinging to belonging ... just change groups?

Maybe again the survivors of scientology might show how they have their own group now.
How could we cooperate without making up all these cliques? IMO one helpful social process may be to focus on practical needs to be supplied like food, shelter, comfort that is not based on belonging to the "church" (and churches do offer these essential).

AND how do forums offer anything substantial? Must be the quality of information?

Chester
27th February 2016, 21:41
I am not making the following statement to back or oppose any of the views expressed in the last few posts.

I ask this... If I tell a story that involves another that paints that other in a bad light, what recourse can the other have? What if my story is not the truth or the whole truth? What if there is subjectivity in the story? (subjectivity - Interpretation of events as opposed to simply stating the actual facts of the events).

So my sad point is - isn't this why justice systems have developed? And I say sad because we know these justice systems are easily corruptible.

Aianawa
27th February 2016, 23:03
Knowing, Intuition, feelings. Then you can also be wrong as such but only by another, other, outside of oneself. Taken further if one has responsibilities, family, friends etc that may draw consequences from your action, catch 22 may apply.

Chester
28th February 2016, 00:14
Knowing, Intuition, feelings.

Hi - I am glad you said this because I allowed the knowings, intuition and feelings of those I trusted to know better, to intuit better and to "feel" better to make my decisions for me many, many times in 2015. Sadly in so many important cases, they were wrong - dead wrong. Yet guess what I learned by this? I need to make up my own mind via my own experiences.

Knowing? That can change... I saw so so so many times someone's "knowing" change. Funny how I found myself going with the change, never, ever making my own mind up based on my own experiences.

Intuition? Isn't that a lesser degree of "knowing?"

"Feeling?" Even less than an intuition?

Ahhhh... but you did aim the recommendation at me and I indeed accept this and accept my own responsibility yet now I ask this -

If of some of the groups of folks (internet mob gangs) are the more "leader like" folks and even these folks get their "knowings" wrong, have incorrect intuition and have feelings that later are known to have been way off if not completely wrong then how is some clown like me supposed to decide all and only on "knowing, intuition and feelings?"

I found myself to be wrong and wrong quite a bit.

And so this is why I have decided to stick to my operational protocol that requires I only make up my mind when I have enough evidence to satisfy my own standard.

Evidence does include testimony. But what I found about the internet mob gang stalking is that the likely validity of testimony is indirectly proportional to someone's "ax to grind." And this is why I no longer "join" internet mob gangs. Been there, learned, moved on.

Aianawa
28th February 2016, 00:40
Hi Sam, let's look, you said , I accept , then YET, ones intuition, knowing and feelings are or at least mostly not a function of the mind, YET may be logic or fear or actually not accepting or at least not fully, usually implying, just in case or future if or past maybe not, lol yet it is good to have a back stop lol, yes.

scibuster
28th February 2016, 07:30
healing is a hard Job.
Or is healing a heart Job ?

Chester
28th February 2016, 13:48
Hi Sam, let's look, you said , I accept , then YET, ones intuition, knowing and feelings are or at least mostly not a function of the mind, YET may be logic or fear or actually not accepting or at least not fully, usually implying, just in case or future if or past maybe not, lol yet it is good to have a back stop lol, yes.

There are two types of knowing.

I know I am typing on a black Logitech keyboard at this moment.

I know Simon Parkes is a %&^$#.

Wait a minute - I actually do NOT know that Simon Parkes is a %&^$#.

Yet what does my (other type) of (so-called) "knowing" (or intuition or just a feeling) tell me?

I won't answer that. Why? Because I could be wrong and if I am wrong, look at the damage I could cause to Simon Parkes? Would that be fair to Simon Parkes? Would my stating "I know Simon Parkes is a %&^$# be the right thing to say to others, to say on a public forum if I don't have proof? I could say I suspect based on x, y and z privately. Yet would it be wise for me to state these suspicions on a public forum?

Guess what? I did that on this very forum last April. All because others told me things I choose to accept as truth and then categorize it as a "knowing." I wasn't alone in doing this. So guess what "we" (the internet gang mob) did? We tried and convicted him by forum mob. This is why there are the right ways to go about these types of things and then there's the wrong ways to go about things. I can't tell you what is the right way for you. I can tell you what is right for me now.

I regret I got involved in the way I did. That way is no longer up to my standards.

I hate to say it because I suspect most folks here have little respect for anything related to "the system" yet... this is why we have courts. There are no really good choices in some situations yet people need the courage to make the best choice of the one's available. I now see the choices I made last April in this regard were the wrong ones and I regret it. My actions actually stimulated a great deal of grief for the staff here at TOT. I regret how I handled things in several ways.

sarahdita85
28th February 2016, 14:26
That's a good point Sam, I KNOW what he is because I've spent time with him, I had the emails, pictures etc, I'm just glad that a few other members have seen them also. So I completely understand your point, you haven't seen what I have so you can't make judgement, but I hope you understand also that I can't just post everything up here as its quite sensitive, along with a few women saying they didn't want their names mentioned at all. So it is quite catch 22 for me. If it was up to me at the time I would of posted everything for all to see, but I want to be smarter than that.

scibuster
28th February 2016, 16:42
Simon Parkes is a bit suspect.
But I cannot define in which region.

Did he really run for Mayor ?

donk
28th February 2016, 17:30
Anyone can accuse anyone of anything. It's a fine line we walk when we judge an abuser...as well as "true" victim. I don't think the courts help in that. Only real information does, which is hard to discern because we live in a world of information overload, with very little training/resources in emotionally maturity...in fact most "training" (programming) is geared toward teaching to value (and cling to and fight for) the emotional charge of something

Loving detachment is vital. And even then you still need to be wary about what you know.

Speaking of the courts, if you believe admin here in that Simon was using them (legal threats) against the forum...how do you take that Sam...I mean, it's a big piece of a lot of peoples "knowing"? That the accusations were slanderous libel and he had a case? Admin conceding to a possible bluff? A worthy use of the justice system?

Do you believe Sarah's not to be taken on her word? And it's not right for anyone to believe and/or help her? (Not that she's asking for help, per se...other than she seems she'd like (actually tried) to warn others)

Chester
28th February 2016, 21:35
That's a good point Sam, I KNOW what he is because I've spent time with him, I had the emails, pictures etc, I'm just glad that a few other members have seen them also. So I completely understand your point, you haven't seen what I have so you can't make judgement, but I hope you understand also that I can't just post everything up here as its quite sensitive, along with a few women saying they didn't want their names mentioned at all. So it is quite catch 22 for me. If it was up to me at the time I would of posted everything for all to see, but I want to be smarter than that.

YES! And in fact I operate in full belief as to what you have come out about and I can only imagine that there's far more to it all. It is sad that one or many could be harmed in this way and yet also not have the ability to have actions taken. The problem with not being able to take actions is exactly as you said. It is a catch-22. I feel bad for every single individual who may have experienced a clearly harmful or at least very embarrassing experience at the hands of anyone.

Now here's the solution. Regulation. Ahhhhhhhh.... but then regulated by who? The government? The government we trust so much and in all ways? NOT! This is the bigger catch-22.

There is another possibility and that would be what is known as a "watchdog" site. How a site like that works is that the folks out there send their complaints to the watchdog site. The watchdog site investigates the complaints and then posts their findings. The watchdog site would need a darn good lawyer too to ensure they do not cross the line of character defamation.

I am fortunate that the law that applies to me is the law in the State of Texas. I received correspondences from another party and I can share that information with a third party without approval of the party who sent me the information. As long as I properly characterize the information, I have broken no laws. I was threatened by a bald guy regarding information I shared with him that was sent to me by a third party regarding some of these very things. My lawyer informed my I have no worries. This might not be the case though for others who passed along second hand information, especially if they did not have the provider's permission to do so. Its all very tricky but the bottom line for me... between you and me and any reader, I believe sarahdita85 fully.

Chester
28th February 2016, 21:52
Anyone can accuse anyone of anything. It's a fine line we walk when we judge an abuser...as well as "true" victim. I don't think the courts help in that. Only real information does, which is hard to discern because we live in a world of information overload, with very little training/resources in emotionally maturity...in fact most "training" (programming) is geared toward teaching to value (and cling to and fight for) the emotional charge of something

Loving detachment is vital. And even then you still need to be wary about what you know.

Speaking of the courts, if you believe admin here in that Simon was using them (legal threats) against the forum...how do you take that Sam...I mean, it's a big piece of a lot of peoples "knowing"? That the accusations were slanderous libel and he had a case? Admin conceding to a possible bluff? A worthy use of the justice system?

Do you believe Sarah's not to be taken on her word? And it's not right for anyone to believe and/or help her? (Not that she's asking for help, per se...other than she seems she'd like (actually tried) to warn others)

Ahhhh I happened to answer your second question before I read your post.

As to the first... sarahdita85 stated clearly that though a legal case may have been able to be developed, the folks that needed to do so didn't. I fully respect their decision. The problem though is that a third party told me that the case was being made, the lawyer was on it, charges were about to be filed, etc. I then stupidly copied and pasted his exact words (at his request) and sent them to the bald guy (as was also his request) and stated very clearly that I view the information all and only hearsay but that I was asked to bring it to the bald guy and that very bald guy told me on a Skype call the very day before - "get the goods" on Simon.

All I am stating is that I feel what I did was a mistake. It was wrong. The folks that may have been harmed and harmed to such an extent that it could be prosecuted were the ones who needed to act. The internet gang mob (which I could be seen as a part of) was a mistake in my eyes too and I learned and I will never do that again.

If someone came to me with their first hand story I would tell them to get a lawyer. I would possibly even assist in any way I could if I felt what happened to them was unacceptable. This desire to help would increase if they were a close friend. But this was not the case.

If I had my wish, I wish the folks who felt they were harmed would get legal advice. And if a case could be made, I wish they would go for it. Yet I must also say that if they don't (or can't) that then gives the one who is being accused (if these accusations came forth at the public level as they did in this case) every right to be upset where he now has a case he could at least make public that he's been the victim of a witch hunt.

Trial by internet gang mob. I know just the feeling too though my own circumstances are different. In fact, it seems that is exactly what can be perceived to have happened to an old friend where dozens screamed at the atrocity of the act (that act being the unfair trial by internet gang mob) which ended up creating quite a bigger divide in the alternative media community. Such are the risks of becoming a high profile poster/site owner/celeb in the alternative media community.

Aianawa
29th February 2016, 04:14
There are two types of knowing.

I know I am typing on a black Logitech keyboard at this moment.

I know Simon Parkes is a %&^$#.

Wait a minute - I actually do NOT know that Simon Parkes is a %&^$#.

Yet what does my (other type) of (so-called) "knowing" (or intuition or just a feeling) tell me?

I won't answer that. Why? Because I could be wrong and if I am wrong, look at the damage I could cause to Simon Parkes? Would that be fair to Simon Parkes? Would my stating "I know Simon Parkes is a %&^$# be the right thing to say to others, to say on a public forum if I don't have proof? I could say I suspect based on x, y and z privately. Yet would it be wise for me to state these suspicions on a public forum?

Guess what? I did that on this very forum last April. All because others told me things I choose to accept as truth and then categorize it as a "knowing." I wasn't alone in doing this. So guess what "we" (the internet gang mob) did? We tried and convicted him by forum mob. This is why there are the right ways to go about these types of things and then there's the wrong ways to go about things. I can't tell you what is the right way for you. I can tell you what is right for me now.

I regret I got involved in the way I did. That way is no longer up to my standards.

I hate to say it because I suspect most folks here have little respect for anything related to "the system" yet... this is why we have courts. There are no really good choices in some situations yet people need the courage to make the best choice of the one's available. I now see the choices I made last April in this regard were the wrong ones and I regret it. My actions actually stimulated a great deal of grief for the staff here at TOT. I regret how I handled things in several ways.

Trust is indeed a biggie, and self trust of intuition, feelings and knowing even more so, IMO one may build up their conduit, chakras which once again IMO assist one with self trust.

Maggie
29th February 2016, 05:15
I also have wondered how to vet for trust but doubt that lawyers and legal actions are the way I would head. In a way this is IMO more "fear protection" and I think maybe we are each left to care for ourselves so well that there is no room for abuse.

Given that some people IMMEDIATELY on hearing about SP's availability to "help them" followed him and then were disappointed, well, so what really? Isn't that a great feedback for how being gullible leads to a let down eventually?

I would avoid giving credence to anyone's big claims in principle. If there is a desire for more than information and possible sharing research interests on the internet, I think it is THAT need which will trip us up. I would shun the gossip and drama circuit in person or on line. Why even get involved with passing along the telephone tag?

Actually I don't think we need protection from charlatans, we need to look at our own motivation. I may be generalizing again but my question is "What attracts us to these situations?" and "what were we thinking we'd get out of the relationship?". "Who have we placed on a pedestal and what does that say about us?"

I think people who get allured by celebrity (and the alt community has celebrities) are looking for reflected light. The light might be "enlightenment" as that is much appreciated by the truth seeker. "Enlighten me! Tell me who I am and the TRUTH of what is what. Validate my questions and Reassure me about........"

Narcissists absolutely thrive on our shiny projections of "celebrity" and we feed them as supply and they get supply from adulation AND when we take them down off pedestals too. They can get the drama excitement either way IMO. When in association with a narcissist we will hear some juicy "come ons" that are specially geared to our own idealized desires. They will tell us we are special. We will later feel trashed as highly as we were praised.

Narcissists will let us down but we who put our trust in them don't really WANT to give up. We need to hang in too long, even obsessing about them for long after we stopped communicating. Having let them in, we don't wash them away. Maybe we were wrong about them? They might not really be trashing us?

Narcissists need to be ignored in our own heads as we go on our own merry way without them and think of them not at all. They need to be erased from our minds. That is how we win back our energy and IMO our sanity.

EDIT

I have realized that in my sojourn through the conspiritual borderlands that this is like purgatory. I say that because to a certain extent we are in an in between shadow land. It's us making the shadows so we can observe them and yes, cleanse the projector hehe. People are suffering as an age old dilemma. I consider it personal material and purposeful FOR my own good. So, I see this as a benevolent endeavor on the part of all concerned.

We talk about waking up because that is an analogy but it is not really possible to be fully awake in the Borderland. IMO we inhabit ourselves to an extent that we will see the whole landscape just as we are. It is half metaphor, half mundane "real" body stuff and IMO to transcend or get out of this inbetween is NOT what my journey is calling me towards. I feel pulled by destiny to master this experience of living..

To me that we are each pulled by destiny means I am looking for exemplars of those making headway toewards THEIR destiny. They look shiny and maybe they have something to emulate? I may be attracted to many who seem as if they are walking this talk of unique power as a person.But is what I admire REALLY there in them or is it my golden shadow?

Walking along Through the Borderland, all will not be as it seems. Everything is possible and probable only because we observe it. The physics of this is not the content of the visions we project in seemingly real time. The physics is what causes our POV to form and how to work through quantum moments of choice of action.

One way to be empowered is to realize it is not such a bad place to be in this forest of shadow. The golden shadows and the black ones' can be beautiful but the main thing we can use is how to let the content be immaterial ephemeral and only transiently important. What is BEHIND the shadows we have cast? For some reason for me, this is still not about waking up but a kind of successful dreaming. Successful is a visceral and satisfying experience. The tangible is actually possibly just the congealed dreaming.

That is IMO our paradoxically changeable "state of being" as causing various circumstances.


Lyrics
Well, if you want to sing out, sing out
And if you want to be free, be free
'Cause there's a million things to be
You know that there are

And if you want to live high, live high
And if you want to live low, live low
'Cause there's a million ways to go
You know that there are

You can do what you want
The opportunity's on
And if you can find a new way
You can do it today
You can make it all true
And you can make it undo
you see ah ah ah
its easy ah ah ah
You only need to know

Well if you want to say yes, say yes
And if you want to say no, say no
'Cause there's a million ways to go
You know that there are

And if you want to be me, be me
And if you want to be you, be you
'Cause there's a million things to do
You know that there are

You can do what you want
The opportunity's on
And if you can find a new way
You can do it today
You can make it all true
And you can make it undo
you see ah ah ah
its easy ah ah ah
You only need to know

Well, if you want to sing out, sing out
And if you want to be free, be free
'Cause there's a million things to be
You know that there are
You know that there are
You know that there are
You know that there are
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48DhOahGUWI

bsbray
29th February 2016, 17:58
Did he really run for Mayor ?

I don't know if he ran for mayor but he was a town councilor until April of last year apparently.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/437064/simon-parkes-labour-councillor-aliens-abductee-politics-quit-resign-whitby-north-yorks

sarahdita85
29th February 2016, 18:05
Yeah he's a town councillor, not a qualified therapist, he said if people asked him to run for mayor then he would. Not sure if he actually has or not.

Divine Feminine
29th February 2016, 18:59
Wanting to add a few more points,....

I think what’s concerning about this situation in regards to Bill and Simon is it leaves the impression that Simon is looking for something in particular from his clients and if he can’t find what he’s looking for, or get the response he hopes, he moves on to other victims. Remember Alberto and Daniela saying this:
“We came to know that several people who have been consulting with him were left with an unfinished treatment.”- Alberto and Daniela

And also this:
“Of course we wonder what is the real goal he has: why taking on new cases when he can’t finished the pending ones? If we suppose he acts with intelligence towards a definite goal, than this is achieved when he get in contact with people and scans them, and asks them to concentrate on his image (as he does on his website as well in the procedure to remove entities).

In cases like ours, once this is done, he loses interest, and without a word of warning or explanation, he cuts the contact and moves on to connect to others.”- Alberto and Daniela

So what is it he’s looking for? I find this quite creepy which is why I have taken the time to voice concerns to fellow TOT members in regards to some of the things I’ve seen take place. There are others out there skimming these forums looking for ‘willing’ victims so I’m just trying to be the voice of caution here in case you weren’t aware this was even going on. Do not download anything from anyone unless you really, really, really know them or know others who have known them for long periods of time. You should be thinking in terms of potential use of microwave technology.

As mentioned before, Simon’s response at the original time of posting never apologizes to the couple for abandoning them! That’s a statement in itself. And keep in mind Bill’s comments (not that he should be your moral authority, but….):

“Because he's a public figure and has also charged money to clients he's offered to help, that puts this in a certain category that's not the same as trolls sniping at someone in the alternative media. Once you charge money and work with clients, then there are certain responsibilities that every therapist knows. And if those are breached, AND if one's a public figure as well, then one can expect public criticism (and warnings to others).”- Bill Ryan
Underlined and bolded by DF.

Further adding to the mystery is Simon’s comment:

“My commitment to Bill who is without question an outstandingly good person, will always remain strong and my lack of presence here should not be interpreted in any way as a negative stance.”- Simon Parker

His commitment to Bill? Commitment of what? Again under Avalon’s own statement of:
“The Avalon Community WILL NOT be used as a place where such systematically abused victims are "harvested", or otherwise privately cajoled into experimentation with non-professional counseling or unproven healing modalities, or earmarked as targets to further exploit with private agendas great or small. The moderation team feels it is important to add that Project Avalon does not endorse unprofessional or inexperienced psychological counseling of such victims. We encourage members to report any conduct they feel is to the contrary.”

Well Alberto and Daniela stated their grievances and apparently Simon’s ‘commitment to Bill’ doesn’t seem to matter in their case so please don’t bother ‘reporting’,…. nothing going on here.


Definition of Public Figure, Black’s Law Dictionary 5th Edition:

Public Figure:- Term for purposes of determining standard to be applied in defamation action, includes artists, athletes, business people, dilettantes, and anyone who is famous or infamous because of who he is or what he has done. Public figures, for libel purposes are those who have assumed roles of special prominence in society; commonly, those classed as public figures have thrust themselves to forefront of particular public controversies in order to influence resolution of issues involved.

For right of privacy action purposes, includes anyone who has arrived at position where public attention is focused upon him as a person.


And while we’re going over definitions there’s another word I’d like to point out as this action takes place within the alternative community often.

Definition of Psyop:
http://www.military.com/ContentFiles...ate_PSYOPS.htm

PSYOPS or Psychological Operations: Planned operations to convey selected information and indicators to foreign audiences to influence their emotions, motives, objective reasoning, and ultimately the behavior of foreign governments, organizations, groups, and individuals. The purpose of psychological operations is to induce or reinforce foreign attitudes and behavior favorable to the originator's objectives. Also called PSYOP. See also consolidation psychological operations; overt peacetime psychological operations programs; perception management. (Source: U.S. Department of Defense)

Keep this is mind when some of these ‘storytellers’ constantly promote fear based ideologies……”induce or reinforce foreign attitudes and behavior favorable to the originator’s objectives.”

Remember Maggie sharing this post #81:

“OK, so what was one of the very first presenting statements of Simon Parks at PA? He emphasized that humans are the CREATORS of our reality.”


Is it possible he is taking the concept of ‘creating your own reality’, and using it against you by planting belief systems based in fear? Now, maybe you can see what I mean by a ‘psyop’ and you can take the same concept and see how it applies to other situations you may find yourself facing or observing.





Disclaimer: I am not a Attorney (Lawyer) medical professional or financial adviser or Judge or Tax Expert or expert in anything, I do not offer Legal Advice or any other form of Law. I research and share Information for Fun and Entertainment and for comparison.

Divine Feminine
1st March 2016, 16:49
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIIuR-HjFho



LMAO

scibuster
2nd March 2016, 06:57
This happens 30 000 times per day with 30 000 bushes.
Where is the joke ?
Have I missed something ?

KINGSTON FRIZZ
2nd March 2016, 09:43
Tsss, you've badly misspelled that. It should more correctly be written as...


"Use your "Discernment" and see whether it "resonates" with your "Reality Bubble".

:ha: :hilarious:



I have now moved this thread to Sensitive Topics & Discussions (http://jandeane81.com/forums/45-Sensitive-Topics-Discussions), which is a members-only category, so I'm going to allow myself — in the name of transparency — to share something with our members on account of Mr. William Ryan.


:flame: - BOMBSHELL ALERT! - :flame:

Yesterday, on Sunday the 21st of February 2016, one of our staff members was privately contacted by Bill Ryan himself with the polite request that we censor a post from one of our longstanding members — including any and all posts where said member was being quoted by other members of The One Truth — on an older (and publicly visible) thread, where said The One Truth member espoused the personal opinion that Bill Ryan would be working for either the British or Australian intelligence agencies.

Said staff member has relayed this information to the mod room — and told Bill Ryan that they would do so, because this would of course have to be a management decision — so we have the evidence of this request on record. Needless to say that the management of The One Truth refuses to comply with Mr. Ryan's request, but can you believe the audacity, the Machiavellianism, and the obsessive-compulsive extent of the man's narcissism?

(And please note that Mr. Ryan contacted neither Malc nor myself with this request. He contacted one of our moderators over Skype, with the direct request to edit said post(s) and delete the references to his name.)

And to top it all off, in said request, Mr. Ryan also stood up for Kerry Cassidy — of whom said longstanding The One Truth member wrote a similar thing — although Mr. Ryan didn't seem to insist that any references to Miss Cassidy would be removed from said post(s), nor did he care too much about what said longstanding The One Truth member had to say about David Wilcock. He even suggested that "it could just as well be true".

Well, here's my own, very personal message for Mr. Ryan...



http://users.telenet.be/stryder/Humor/Worf_Facepalm.jpeg




They were on my friends list back when I myself was still a member of Project Avalon, and they are very nice people. It's a pity they had to fall prey to yet another sociopath.


Can you link to the thread the ego-hat man is talking about if possible please?

The One
2nd March 2016, 09:54
Can you link to the thread the ego-hat man is talking about if possible please?

He's talking about this post here http://jandeane81.com/threads/7394-Using-discernment-interesting-parallels-w-David-Wilcock-Bill-Wood-Corey-Goode?p=841932207&viewfull=1#post841932207

Cheers

KINGSTON FRIZZ
2nd March 2016, 14:27
Is Bill Ryan capable of embarrassment? If I were him I would be so embarrassed and ashamed of my actions. Does a socio-path do shame?

Dreamtimer
2nd March 2016, 15:11
I haven't seen much shame coming from that direction....:fpalm:

Divine Feminine
2nd March 2016, 18:19
This happens 30 000 times per day with 30 000 bushes.
Where is the joke ?
Have I missed something ?

Yes...the joke wasn't about the tumbleweeds, it was about hearing the sounds of crickets, because after I posted there was silence for a long period of time hence the sound of crickets... I assumed that was a universal joke not something just americans would appreciate.


@Kingston: Sociopaths can't feel so I highly doubt they 'feel' any kind of shame because in their mind they are never wrong. It's a distinct characteristic that's easily identifiable after you've been watching how a person interacts with others. However, they do know what is considered acceptable behavior. I had a lengthy discussion with my twin flame(a sociopath) about his behavior and we were discussing the topic of love. Basically what he told me is he wanted to 'feel' it, but just couldn't and yet he found himself going through the motions of life, getting married etc...because that's what people did. It's as if they can't control themselves from any poor behavior as they have no mechanism or gage to alert them otherwise. It was very difficult for me to watch him succumb to 'the dark side' for lack of better words. I spent 2 longs months with him a few years ago in Colorado and did everything I could to bring him 'back to the other side' with no success. He was my oldest family friend and we grew up together always close no matter how far apart we lived....I would have done just about anything for him. My exposure and experience with these type of people has me convinced they are wired genetically to behave in this manor and I have yet to see one of them turn around. The handful of sociopaths I knew never pulled out of their horrid behavior patterns, a couple of them got very ill, one died. I let my twin go because I refused to let myself get sucked into his downward spiral of deceit and destruction. I am at peace with my efforts and will always love him because I know this is not who he 'spiritually' is, he is merely playing a role in this incarnation and in time will find himself again. We have shared other past lives together according to the Akashic Records, that were complete bliss which is why I know this role is not his true self. So I have to believe most likely it's the same for others. Some researchers will tell you it's soul contracts.

amberbuttermilk
4th March 2016, 06:46
I found his name highly suspicious and too perfect-sounding so I did some number crunching.

sarahdita85
4th March 2016, 10:30
That's very strange, he made it clear to me that 7 meant a lot to him

Dreamtimer
4th March 2016, 10:54
Craps! Did a quickie search on seven. Much more fun than searching Simon (or BR).

It's a number of perfection in english but as recently as the mid 1600s in Germany a woman might be called 'an evil seven'.

Magical power and healing are associated with the seventh son.

It refers to pleiades and the big dipper.

It was popular as a tavern sign.

Described as a masonic symbol with six in a circle and one in the center.

There are many sevens in the bible.

One of my favorite pairs of jeans is Seven. (brand)

I think...Simon is at sixes and sevens and Sarah, you're in Seventh Heaven!

:victorious:;):D:o:):rolleyes::love:

amberbuttermilk
4th March 2016, 15:22
Why didn't I do subtraction earlier?

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Chester
5th March 2016, 16:00
That's very strange, he made it clear to me that 7 meant a lot to him

and he was born on September 7, 1960.

so the 7th day

Sept comes from the word 7 in Latin. The original Roman calendar started in March and thus September was the 7th month and is why that month got the name September.

so the 7th month

1 + 9 + 6 + 0 = 16 and 1 + 6 = 7

so the 7th year

7 7 7

funny how there was another who had 7+7+7 who had 777 in their blog name and who was also a son of Anu (according to him at least)

funny how the new blog uses an obvious date code aimed at yours truly here that featured the 7 and 14 and 21 dates.

funny folks huh?

Imagine having nothing better to do?

Chester
5th March 2016, 16:50
Speaking of the Seventh Son

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Chester
5th March 2016, 17:02
Anyone into some Simon synchronicities besides just the numbers?

Aragorn
5th March 2016, 17:11
Anyone into some Simon synchronicities besides just the numbers?

I myself have only one synchronicity to share in that regard. Simon Parkes was the catalyst that made me sign up at Project Avalon — not necessarily because of his material, but because it had been a long time since I had heard anything from or about Bill Ryan, and the fact that Bill uploaded the Simon Parkes interview (by Claudia/Karelia) to his YouTube channel was a confirmation for me that Bill was still active in the alternative community — and Simon Parkes was also the catalyst again that eventually got me banned from Project Avalon, and by Bill Ryan himself, no less.

So there you have it. :p

Chester
5th March 2016, 18:34
Ever since I was eight years old, I would recall the single and only anomalous experience I have ever had in this current lifetime which happened (at least for most of the experience) in my full blown waking state. The experience occurred when I was six years old. Why I know that is because where it happened I only lived in this location for about 10 months or so, from the fall of 1963 to the summer of 1964. I turned 6 on September 19, 1963.

I shared the experience with my father when I was about 19 or 20 years old. I shared the experience with friends as time went on. I shared the experience with my first wife and in fact talked about it all the time with her as "the greatest mystery in my life." All my sons recall me talking about this experience for most of their lives and they are all in their early twenties.

When I entered into a true dark night of the soul experience which lasted for three or so months - an experience worse than a suicidal depression - yes worse, I was able to come out of that state all and only because of the OP of a thread I discovered on the PA forum on April 26, 2012.

That thread is known as The Horus-Ra thread. Here's the OP. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit&p=430802&viewfull=1#post430802)

It was this day I discovered that the voice in my head (and the "compellings" I had so often experienced) were not the voice and direction of "God." The relief created an instant dissolution of the incredible three month state of despair.

That same day I finally felt the courage to share about the experience I had when I was six years old... an experience I still believe played a central role in my life ever since that night (at least in this one lifetime yet my intuition suggests to me that this expands many, many lifetimes - I just cannot know at this time if I am right or if it is another false idea planted by something a bit external to the denser levels of my being).

It has always been this experience I tied to "the voice in my head" and the compellings.

This is the experience I had when I was six years old (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44353-My-possible-abduction-experience)


So then go to December of 2012 (7 months or so after I made this post) when I discovered Simon Parkes.

The very first video I ever watched was this one where (start around 7:00) Simon tells about when his Mantid "mum"... well - just listen... note he is acting as if it was placed in his left hand (just like my experience). At 9:00 he states - "left hand."

Understand the metaphorical meaning of "Left Hand" with "Anu" (Daddy Drac... the metaphorical "Dark One").

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Now understand that Simon says this happened when he was 3 or 3 1/2 years old. I have heard him say both. Well I was born on September 19, 1957. My experience happened to me when I was about 6 years and 3 or so months old. This means that when what happened to Simon happened, at just about the exact same time, the same type of thing happened to me except I didn't see any Mantids (never have) and never have I had any other anomalous experiences (or recovered memories) of anything weird like this.

Anyways - this was just the beginning of the "very odd" similar experiences and synchronicities I had with Simon Parkes which I will share in the next few posts here.

Chester
5th March 2016, 21:59
It was sometime in 2013, I believe October, that I came across this presentation with Simon called -

Born to an illuminati family [Simon Parkes] Lifting the veil conference Leeds 2013 (I will post the video at the end of this post).

I recall my experience of watching this video to be truly astounding. This man had already become very important in my life ever since I saw the AMMACH video I posted above because I believed Simon might provide the information I needed as to what exactly happened to me when I was six, why it happened and who or what was involved.

So in the "Illuminati" video, Simon shares about his childhood.

at 53:00 "As a small boy, my family used cinema and TV for instruction purposes."

Role Models (59:30)

Patrick McGoohan (https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=patrick+mcgoohan)

"I was told basically would be my role model"

This was incredible when I heard that because one of my favorite shows was Secret Agent (the US name) which was called Danger Man in the UK.

In fact, one day when I was 11 or at most 12 years old, I was at my next door neighbors house where my friend, Jack Happy, was stroking a guitar. He started to play (as good as a learner could) the famous song, Secret Agent Man by Johnny Rivers. This was the theme song to that very show.

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I immediately got a guitar, learned the song and that launched my lifelong passion with guitar.

Then the next thing Simon mentions is the show The Prisoner. This really blew my mind because not only did I recall watching it (it was only shown in the US in the summer when the main US network shows were on vacation) and I recall never missing a single one - it showed on Wednesday nights at 8 PM Dallas time.

What I then recalled was how odd it was that I had actually, recently (perhaps maybe 3 or 4 months prior to watching this Simon presentation) ordered the entire boxed set of all episodes of The Prisoner on DVD. What makes this unusual is that I have bought easily 300 movies on DVD yet never once did I ever purchase a TV series much less one that is 50 years old... yet I recalled feeling compelled to buy this series.

Soon after I watched this Simon presentation I got another "compelling" which made me look at the date of this presentation. I recall researching that the Critical Mass Radio presentation (http://www.meetup.com/WeAreChangeLiverpool/messages/52883922/) was given on Saturday June 22, 2013.

Yet look at the date YouTube says this was posted - June 21, 2013 - the summer solstice for 2013 (https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=what+is+the+date+of+the+summer+solst ice+2013).

And here is where it gets totally weird.

I knew it might of been right around this time that Simon gave his presentation that I made the order for The Prisoner so I looked at my Amazon orders and...

POW!

1506


You simply cannot make this stuff up

Here's the entire presentation Simon gave (my favorite of all).

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amberbuttermilk
6th March 2016, 00:18
Anyone into some Simon synchronicities besides just the numbers?
I experienced a small one. I was listening to one of his Connecting Consciousness interviews where he was speaking about Jehovah's witnesses that recently came to his house and how they are like a religious catalyst for the New World Order. My doorbell rang at this time, and it happened to be some Jehovah's witnesses, whom ended up leaving a pamphlet about the wonderful coming of the New World and a government in Heaven.

sarahdita85
6th March 2016, 00:45
Yep here's something weird, I check out his website the odd time to read his news letters, just out of interest, and stupidly I was researching the djinn thing and he said if you where bothered by djinn then look at his profile picture for ten seconds or something like that and have an iron ring and it would help, so me being curious and stupid I done just that ( curiosity killed the cat) as a sort of experiment, bad idea, that night I had the most horrible dreams with him chasing me and a lot of other women round the house, when dreams are this vivid I've learned to control and manipulate them, but I had absolutely zilch control here. Moral of the story, don't do it lol.

Divine Feminine
6th March 2016, 05:51
I was just talking about the whole 7 business on the Great Experiment thread as this number has significance to my own personal story.

"The number 7 is how many chakras you have and also stands for the 7 rays of god, the 7 days of the week and represents the 7 planets etc... I will give you more to follow in a future post which will make it even more clear, but the number 7 seems to follow within the Christ soul group and bloodline."-Divine Feminine

I think I can see exactly what Simon is doing. I wish I had more time to explain.......I will soon in the very near future, I need a few days before I can put it together. Sam you will probably appreciate what I'm going to share as it'll explain why so many stories seem to have similar characters as they are really all one in the same and much ties back to astrology.

Talk about synchronistic, I was just pulling this information for my thread from Mark Amaru Pinkham.....The 'left hand' maybe have something to do with this?
"Gnostic Templar Grand Prior Mark Amaru Pinkham presents the amazing history and teachings of the Left Hand Path —which includes the world’s gnostics, alchemists, secret societies, and mystery school initiates—and its continual battle with the patriarchal adherents of the Right Hand Path. Mark begins with the Garden of Eden and the Gnostics’ First Instructor, the Serpent on the Tree, and then traces the Left Hand Path down through the Sons and Daughters of Seth to the Essenes, Sufis, Knights Templar, Cathars, Freemasons and the Illuminati, as plans for the creation of a One-World Gnostic Civilization gradually unfold. The final piece of the plan is destined to soon fall into place, when the Right and Left Hand Paths come to a peaceful resolution of their ancient battle and work together to create a gnostic civilization that is the union of both paths. The culmination of human civilization will then have arrived, and all institutions and levels of society will encourage people throughout the Earth to complete their spiritual evolution by achieving the goal of the gnostic mandate “Know Thyself.”

This sounds exactly what I'm talking about in The Great Experiment........it's all tied together.

Dreamtimer
6th March 2016, 11:27
I get being compelled by that, Sam. Synchronicities are so strong with you, how could you not be drawn to Simon? It seems like there's a bigger picture thing going on involving many people. Perhaps Simon was a step along the way.

Chester
6th March 2016, 14:24
I get being compelled by that, Sam. Synchronicities are so strong with you, how could you not be drawn to Simon? It seems like there's a bigger picture thing going on involving many people. Perhaps Simon was a step along the way.

OK - Totally yes to what you are saying, yet in addition, I have to state that not just are there these mind blowing synchronicities but I also have experiences where I find myself doing something that seems very unusual for me to do yet I am driven by a sense of "inner compelling." This is what I was referring to. It is like something that is not "me" (at least not this level of my being which is Sam, this one lifetime) pushing me to something.

And then now... as of two weeks ago, I have experienced two separate incidents where in each case, days later, an incident occurred where I could look back on each of these experiences with an honest realization I "sort of saw it coming" but did not have enough information to know the details much less to stop it.

This is very hard to talk about - I may have already posted this part of the story... I did post this last night (http://jandeane81.com/threads/8874-The-last-five-weeks?p=841947033#post841947033) which includes parts of what I am about to share.

Two weeks ago I had read a post by Bill Ryan at PA about "the impermanence of things." Later that day I was driving my car in the neighborhood. I was thinking how secure I felt now that I have done such work in my own personal life in achieving peace in my own worldly experience even though all around me seemed to be chaos. I then had the exact thought - "someone could just swerve for no reason (or perhaps because 'something' directed them to) and could hit you head on and kill you. Not only did I have that thought but I then recalled how a friend of my father's had been killed in some driving accident while he was in his own neighborhood almost at his home. I was about seven or eight years old at that time.

Then four or so days later my sister's daughter was killed in the head on car crash I posted about. A few days later while speaking with my sister I had mentioned the story of that strange thought I had just a few days before. She then reminded me that my step-mother had told us of the story where she had had the premonition of my father's friend getting killed in a car crash and which she had told my father before it happened. I had forgotten about Ginger's premonition but then I recalled how she spoke about that experience many times before her own death. Yet when my sister told me, I was also pretty startled that she instantly recalled the same event I had thought about when I had the premonition a few days before. This may sound benign but for me, this was pretty spooky feeling.

So then last Tuesday I had to run some errands. One of those errands was to meet a friend and it was important for me. I told him I would be there around 12 noon but I could see I would be five to maybe ten minutes late. Suddenly the exit on the highway came up and I had not been paying attention. I was in the far left lane and the exit was on the right. I almost tried to make it but realized it would have been insane to do so... I was doing 75 or 80 MPH and moments after I realized there was no shot yet I had experienced this powerful compelling where I truly started to jerk my wheel to attempt the maneuver. Seconds after I calmed and accepted I would be even five minutes later, I realized that it truly would have been disaster if I had made the attempt and I wondered what the heck had gotten into me.

Last night, my son, Stephen, who is in this terrible state of really bad psychosis had stopped over at my home. He has been so bad lately that he has not been allowed in my home. Yet my son, Anthony, was here and so we brought him inside to speak with him, to implore him to get help. He was in the house for only five minutes yet in speaking with him he told us how he had been driving 100 to 120 MPH (in a rage) and suddenly realized he was about to miss his exit and so he quickly tired to make it and the car did all sorts of fishtailing and skidding and yet somehow he didn't crash and somehow no other car was crashed into.

What is true is that after I had that crazy experience last Tuesday, I told my son Anthony about it. I had already told him about the incident where I sort of "pre-saw" what happened to my niece but I told him that one after she had died. Yet in this case I had told Anthony my story before Stephen told us his story last night.

So three things have suddenly ramped up since I became involved with the terragunn thread at PA, the Anomalous Trauma group with Eve Lorgen and this Simon stuff (again)...

these three things are

an arising of several uncanny synchronicities

a few very unexplainable and out of character "compellings"

and two incidents of pre-cognition (yet without enough info to stop the "bad thing")

Something is going on and the common denominator is that I have once again returned my focus to "the Archons."

Chester
6th March 2016, 22:03
"Gnostic Templar Grand Prior Mark Amaru Pinkham presents the amazing history and teachings of the Left Hand Path —which includes the world’s gnostics, alchemists, secret societies, and mystery school initiates—and its continual battle with the patriarchal adherents of the Right Hand Path. Mark begins with the Garden of Eden and the Gnostics’ First Instructor, the Serpent on the Tree, and then traces the Left Hand Path down through the Sons and Daughters of Seth to the Essenes, Sufis, Knights Templar, Cathars, Freemasons and the Illuminati, as plans for the creation of a One-World Gnostic Civilization gradually unfold. The final piece of the plan is destined to soon fall into place, when the Right and Left Hand Paths come to a peaceful resolution of their ancient battle and work together to create a gnostic civilization that is the union of both paths. The culmination of human civilization will then have arrived, and all institutions and levels of society will encourage people throughout the Earth to complete their spiritual evolution by achieving the goal of the gnostic mandate “Know Thyself.”


How uncanny. In my investigation yesterday for the two posts about my entanglement with Simon, I listened (again) to much of that "Illuminati" presentation he made. While doing so, I noticed the magical "white" order he said he had been invited to join. Strange that I did not check these folks out before. OHM - The Order of the Hidden Masters.

So late last night I did a search and up popped this site - http://www.hiddenmasters.co.uk/

I immediately went to the page "Hidden Masters" and this was the opening paragraph -


Question: Please explain who are the Hidden Masters?

Answer: The Hidden Masters are a group of highly advanced human beings, also often referred to by alternative names such as The Illuminati or The Great White Brotherhood. They have existed since time immemorial and been known under many different names over time and place, such as The Magi, The Hierophants, The Mahatmas, The Adepts and The Serpents of Wisdom amongst many.

That last part - The Serpents of Wisdom immediately made me think of my friend, Mark Pinkham, and the first book of his I ever read back in 2003 - The Return of the Serpents of Wisdom. (Question: Please explain who are the Hidden Masters? Answer: The Hidden Masters are a group of highly advanced human beings, also often referred to by alternative names such as The Illuminati or The Great White Brotherhood. They have existed since time immemorial and been known under many different names over time and place, such as The Magi, The Hierophants, The Mahatmas, The Adepts and The Serpents of Wisdom amongst many.)

Then this morning just after I awoke, I went back to this thread and there was your post, Divine Feminine.

Each time this happens feels mind blowingly incredible.

Anyways - I have more to point out regarding what Simon represented in his talk regarding his encounter with the OHM.

Dreamtimer
6th March 2016, 23:54
The first person I ever heard (read) reference the 'Great White Brotherhood' was Mary Summer Rain.

Divine Feminine
7th March 2016, 04:48
I'm not familiar with Mark's work, he's new to me, but some of what he says is making sense and matches other sources I've been exploring. His comments below are aligning with what I've been suggesting on The Great Experiment thread which eludes to the same ancient battles. Are the 'ancient battles' he refers to about Mars and beyond? Is this tied to the energetic templates I've been discussing? Is he portraying the same as what I'm been referring to as the 'polarity integration game' which is the integration of the light and the dark?

And inquiry minds want to know, where is he sourcing this from...ancient texts? Even more strange for myself is the reference to the phrase 'Know Thyself' which just so happens to have originated from my past life in Greece as one of the five Oracles of Delphi according to Akashic Records. Pinkham is the second researcher I'm come across in the past 3 months referring to 'know thyself', eluding to a significance from this time period of long ago. I have felt for quite some time that 'the battle' is being fought within the royal bloodlines..I cannot shake this feeling, which is the very battle I found myself immersed in prior to Kundalini. Surely there are others experiencing the same and which hand do they represent? Something tells me it goes back to the 12 Tribes of Israel.

So what is this earth shattering, cataclysmic 'final piece of the plan'? My research is leading me to Rosslyn Chapel...

"The final piece of the plan is destined to soon fall into place, when the Right and Left Hand Paths come to a peaceful resolution of their ancient battle and work together to create a gnostic civilization that is the union of both paths. The culmination of human civilization will then have arrived, and all institutions and levels of society will encourage people throughout the Earth to complete their spiritual evolution by achieving the goal of the gnostic mandate “Know Thyself.”

I don't know Simon's part in all this, but I don't get good feelings in regards to his intentions and I would not put it past him to twist the meaning of what he truly represents.

Chester
7th March 2016, 14:04
It seems each of us are on our own unique journey. When I first started really waking up was in 2002 when I was handed Icke's The Biggest Secret (http://www.amazon.com/The-Biggest-Secret-Updated-Edition/dp/0952614766). I found a website which sold all sorts of related type books where the folks were based in the US and would ship to me where I was living (on the Island of Curacao). It was on that site I found Mark's book The Return of the Serpents of Wisdom. In 2003 I contacted Mark and then we became friends though long distance friends via the phone and we spoke only from time to time. I read all his books and greatly appreciated my introduction to... The Divine Feminine, the Goddess Tradition(s) and eventually his views regarding Left Hand Path, etc.

Several years later he launched his International Order of the Gnostic Templars and I became an Associate Member all and only so that I could take some of his e-courses which essentially were e-mailed "lessons" no bigger than a chapter of one of his books. I enjoyed studying the materials and learned more about the occulted streams of thought and philosophy. I was never able to attend any events as I lived in Panama and had no ability to travel away from my family and work situation during this time.

Mark's views are not at all what I call Left Down or left Sideways... his LHP is what I call Left Up. These are only my terms I created to differentiate from Left Hand Path traditions which range from benevolent forms of Gnostic and Hermetic streams (Left Up) to Witchcraft (Left Sideways) to Satanism (Left Down).

Mark once told me the difference between the two (RHP and LHP) is that RHP is a path which the adherent sees the teacher as external (such as the Church and various dogmas as well as the texts these organizations might require folks to adhere to believe literally and to adhere to literally) whereas LHP is a private journey of the individual who pulls forth from "the teacher within" which essentially is 'gnosis.' And that one who has actualized 'gnosis' in their life is not consumed by their ego which appears (in his view) to be the a manifestation of those who are attracted to the Left Down stuff.

As I continued on my journey, I began to read materials from Mark such that I looked at it all as metaphors. I moved beyond the literal details frankly because I started to question many of the stories such as what happened on other planets, when and why, etc. My sense was that his sources may very well be much like any of these secret societies (though there may be an exception) where they have their own versions of what happened, their own version of history, but its either untrue or mixed with truth and imaginatively derived versions of that truth.

One might wonder how I fell for Simon and then Shane if I had already begun to approach all these things by looking at them all and only metaphorically? The difference was all and only based on that original experience I had when I was six years old (as posted about here (http://jandeane81.com/threads/8801-The-exorcisms-of-Mr-Simon-Parkes?p=841947026#post841947026)) and the additional personally experienced events of my life which led to the development of an affinity to the Dracula story, the vampire myths and then later when I came upon Icke and learned of the Alpha Draconis... I was ripe to be harvested by both Simon's story and then Shane's.

I know this thread probably should focus on Simon yet I am close to completing the "putting together" of the entire picture which led up to the events of 2015 and the most tumultuous year I have experienced since my own 'big shift' back in early 2012.

Divine Feminine
7th March 2016, 17:06
I moved beyond the literal details frankly because I started to question many of the stories such as what happened on other planets, when and why, etc. My sense was that his sources may very well be much like any of these secret societies (though there may be an exception) where they have their own versions of what happened, their own version of history, but its either untrue or mixed with truth and imaginatively derived versions of that truth.

This is a good point to remember. Depending on one's sources you will hear different versions of the same stories as it depends on who's telling it and from what perspective and of course if they have an agenda. I try to keep all this in the back of my mind as I listen to others. I like to know where people source their information, as it helps when I'm cross-checking my own resources. I don't have the time or $$$ to travel all over the world in search of ancient texts, manuscripts, scrolls et al......So like most people, all I have is the work of others to interpret on my own.

From 'knowing thyself' I can see the energetic pull I feel that draws me to specific topics, locations and individuals, which is probably why the likes of Simon never sucked me in....the 'Simon Says' game only worked till I was 5, ask my mother, lmao....I didn't play 'Simon Says' too well after that which got me into a lot of trouble because I wouldn't conform. I don't know why, but I seem to have a pretty good b.s. meter, but I also think people will be drawn to specific individuals and the content of specific topics based on who they were and where they were in the past, so whether a 'story' resonates with you or not, may have something to do with whether your emotional memories are being triggered.....the difference is most individuals don't realize they're doing it as they have yet to 'know thyself'. What I am learning, as I come to 'know thyself' more and more, is I can better decipher and get to the heart of the matter as now I have something to use as a gauge. It's hard to put into words and maybe what I'm saying doesn't make sense unless you have come to 'know thyself'. I'm not 'in the zone' right now, so writing is difficult, plus I'm suppose to be working on my taxes so I'm distracted.

scibuster
8th March 2016, 09:34
On his homepage Simon Parkes give the recommand to put an metal plate under your bed.
"Do you think this is a good idea."
Read: Wilhelm Reich about Orgon acccumulator.
Did this procedure suck your Orgon away and you will become sick or more worse ?