Is the moon (our moon) artificial ?

[scibuster]

@Dumster Diver made a remark to my post
http://jandeane81.com/threads/8438-It-is-you-who-agreed-to-be

There must be a moon for this planet to stabilize the rotation axis of this planet. <--- fair amount of

evidence earth's moon is artificial

end quote.






Is the moon (our moon) a complete artificial (inside and outside and surface side ?

What does artificial mean ?

Build by someone, not grown by nature ?

Who is someone ?
A civilisation.
Which civilisation ?
A type three civilisation
Please define Type III civilisation.
Goto Dr. Michio Kaku.




Or did I have some english difficulties and @Dumpster Diver meaning is:
The moon has some artificial objects on his surface ?
Yes.

[The One]

About our moon

You will find some great stuff here (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/02files/Moon_Images_Menu.html) The enigmas on the moon

[lift the veil]

The moon is covered with basaltic lava flows. We also have basaltic lava flows on Earth which form the oceanic crust. These lava flows form out of the mid-ocean ridges as a result of vulcanism, which is a completely natural igneous process.

As the moon is covered with similar types of basaltic rocks it would be plausible that those basaltic rocks formed under similar geologic processes. Molten mafic rocks only form in one type of way here on Earth, via igneous processes. They are not a man-made creation.

In my opinion the Moon was naturally created (somewhere in the Universe - not necessarily where it is now) but was later modified/hollowed out and utilized as a base of sorts by intelligent beings. They could of course have moved it or positioned it in such as way as to always show us one side to suit their purposes/agenda.

[Dumpster Diver]

About our moon

You will find some great stuff here (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/02files/Moon_Images_Menu.html) The enigmas on the moon

Thanks Malc.

re: OP, I also had a hard time accepting the possibility of the Moon being artificial in some way. I was convinced that life on Earth could not have arose if not for the Moon. BUT, if life was "placed" here and continually modified by an advanced civilization, all of those arguments are off the table.

[Gale Frierson]

David Icke devotes a whole chapter of "Perception Deception" to this subject. He says it is indeed artificial.

[jonsnow]

The moon is made from rings of the Earth

Earth was made from rings of our Sun it is a natural process is there et on the moon yes there are cities up there especially on the dark side I bought a book once showing them from the early 70's before the ptb got really serious about hiding what's up there . There are books as well about how moon people brought vistors to our moon gave them a tour there sky is not blue but yellow and they have trees and water they mostly live in the craters our side of the moon is mostly desert interesting book john lear talks about it somewhere

merry christmass

[Jengelen]

At one time the earth had 24 hour sun at the pole for the first people. The cataclysm involving a comet or asteroid impact or several actually is what knocked the earth off that first axis moving the pole, creating the the new pole we have now in time, the wobble, the off kilter to the mass throwing off the balance of the system we are part of and make up. The planet opposite side to the sun of over and down to the left slightly is slightly larger than earth anyway and in the end the mass change of earth as I understood it was that left that way the planet on the other side would eventually catch and collide with the earth in a impact of the same orbit as the third planets. There are two third planets in orbit around the sun as I've been shown and one is on the back of the sun when the other is on the front. So they added the moon to balance and make stable the system again. The orbit of the earth changed to 365 days making it five days slower after the moon was added and that fixed it as it was explained. Check here at 20 minutes in. So no earth could not catch up with the other planet in time and the other planet would not come up behind the earth to meet each other.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRldxmPiNdA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRldxmPiNdA

[scibuster]

For those who fear the backside of the moon I recommend the use of the LRO.
Has high resolution capabilities for front and backside.


http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/main/index.html



do you also fear Iapetus ?


http://www.enterprisemission.com/moon1.htm

artificial to it's best.
Richard C. Hoagland
I will never forget this name R.C.H. in my complete lifetime with or without Alzheimer.

[Dumpster Diver]

Scibuster, unfortunately, I no longer believe most of what NASA shows or states. For my money, they are part of the great lie.

R.C. Hoagland helped get me there.

[scibuster]

Those hexagone structures.
I only know the German words for it:
chladnische Klangplatten.

This is a natural formation not an artificial structure.

[jonsnow]

scibuster your posts are always interesting ( even if do not always agree ) indeed welcome to tot your a great addition :)

Merry Christmas to all :D

[Novusod]

Those hexagone structures.
I only know the German words for it:
chladnische Klangplatten.

This is a natural formation not an artificial structure.

Makes sense that the hexagons are called Chladnische Klangplatten.

Chladnische comes from the scientist Ernst Chladni who discovered harmonic patterns.
Klangplatten (clang platter) is the metal tone plate that he used in his experiments.

Tonoscope
http://i.imgur.com/bwHQQ7P.jpg

Chladni discovered that sound and vibration has a shape. I mentioned this briefly in my Root Language thread under the letter "N." The legs of vibration, the vibration of solid matter.

Spheres such as planets tend to create hexagons when they vibrate.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mStMS7Qcf1s

[Anastasia]

Akashic reader Chris Thomas says the moon is a piece of a pre-existing planet in our solar system and the consciousness of that planet exists in the moon. Read Herbert's recent post page 14 December 24th in the Chris Thomas thread and it will explain why it is natural.

[Dreamtimer]

If planets are living beings and the universe itself is alive then the moon may be also.

[scibuster]

Akashic reader Chris Thomas says the moon is a piece of a pre-existing planet in our solar system and the consciousness of that planet exists in the moon. Read Herbert's recent post page 14 December 24th in the Chris Thomas thread and it will explain why it is natural.

Sound a bit astrology:
All planets have influence to human character and a/the human living plan but the planets are not declared as artificial in astrology.
Yes astrology declare other planets like big beings. But I never read an astrology-article where other planets are populated.
I read only this:


https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Ring

Thomas Ring has written a bookset of three.

I'm aquarius rising libra.

[Jengelen]

Planets may be like trees for all we know really. Earth is green but maybe its an evergreen planet and the others are on some other cycle sprouting different growths of life at various times of the solar system seasons as they roll around. I don't think we have the tech. to know for sure if planets sprout life in other places like earth or not but seeing Pluto up close it sure looked at times like those could be trees growing down there and even way out there where we are supposed to believe it can't happen! Anyway, some seem to show that on Mars and I don't really know what lie beneath the clouds of Venus, or Jupiter its just kind of presumptive on our parts to say nothing grows there and the planet is dead when we don't really know.

To a child it appears the moon is dead. It doesn't move, it doesn't spin, its just there sitting the same way but moving in an orbit. Other planets spin seeming to show they have some other energy going on besides that of being trapped by an orbit. So to say the orbit rotation creates the planetary spin is wrong. There is no evidence for that as evidenced by our moon. Not all bodies spin in their orbit apparently so we can say based on this that there must be others since the moon is this way.

Or if not then we are left with a really tough time explaining how it sits there dead in the water like that like in a tractor beam!?? Its easier to suppose its dead and that blue spinning planets and other color planets spinning have some kind of life energy to them besides that seen at our moon which for all practical purposes is stagnate and dead. Could there be more to the seasons of the solar system than our limited life times allow us to see? Maybe at one part of the cycle mars comes back to life and is now in that process? One has to wonder if that is possible if this also means the earth then will go dormant and like the tree lose its leaves and go to sleep also for a time! Scary thoughts indeed but we again do not have the answers to know such things. Time is the only way we relearn what we forgot if we did know more at one time.

[jonsnow]

jengelen life as we know it can only exist in a certain temperature zone :)

earth and mars both exist in this zone currently but as planets move outside it they get bigger 4,8,16,64,316, once you know where a planet is you can calculate its size density that is why nibriu is very large becomes it comes from far outer region of our solar system :D

[Jengelen]

jengelen life as we know it can only exist in a certain temperature zone :)

earth and mars both exist in this zone currently but as planets move outside it they get bigger 4,8,16,64,316, once you know where a planet is you can calculate its size density that is why nibriu is very large becomes it comes from far outer region of our solar system :D

Not all the planets way out there are large though as there are just as many smaller bodies all around them. There isn't any rhyme or reason to where they sit that I can see. I suppose some say larger bodies are out there but that only makes sense since there are smaller ones also. Pluto is pretty tiny and its way out there. http://www.wakingtimes.com/2015/03/05/earth-has-a-second-moon-and-its-orbit-follows-an-unusual-pattern/

[jonsnow]

pluto is not a planet

yes there is a cosmic order the universe is not chaos but structure

We currently know only 1/3 of our solar system only the clockwise direction there are also planets which resolve around the Sun in elliptical orbit nibriu is not the only one there are many and they are massive all come back into the sun solar system but rarely one in many thousands of years it causes devastation to all planets

if you interested look up Walter Russell

gravity = density pressure and temperature
:D

[Jengelen]

I believe with the new revelations of the fly by that everyone now knows Pluto has always been a planet but whatever! That statement is a matter of opinion in truth. Many still consider it a planet.

[Dreamtimer]

Life as we know it... That phrase says a lot. We 'knew' life didn't exist in the cold depths of the sea. Until we found it.

A source of energy such as heat or chemical can harbor life. We used to believe planets far from the sun were cold and 'dead'. Turns out that's not the case.

It seems unlikely that there's natural life on the moon. Considering how much we still don't know about it...:scp:

[jonsnow]

Moon maps: With a chart showing the other side of the moon,based upon the Soviet photographs Spiral-bound – 1960
Hugh Percy Wilkins (Author)

black and white pictures - interesting +

From Outer Space (original title: From Outer Space to You)
Howard Menger


Most people (including me in the past) would find this book amusing and too fantastic to take seriously. In fact, the only reason I ordered it was because John Lear (google him if you don't know who he is) referenced it after corresponding with the author, shortly before the author's death, where the writer explained the breathable atmosphere on the moon to him (thin, as if on a high mountain). Yeah, it might seem kooky, except the author mentions a necessary "realignment" of his human cells, done by a form of acclimation, lingering for a time in space, so that he could continue through space and to the moon, even though their craft was already well on its way to the moon (and mentions re-acclimation when returning). What the author is describing is the stumbling block of NASA's claimed, manned, trip to the moon: the Van Allen radiation belt. Despite the greatest rhetoric of debunkers, we have no way of passing through it alive. So the author capitalized on that fact, saying his ET hosts provided a solution though it. Why not? you say! Weaving in this timely discovery would help authenticate the book, no doubt! Except the book was PUBLISHED in 1959, and Van Allen's discovery in 1958. I don't know exactly which months of each year, but publishing takes time, and the manuscript was likely being written before or at the same time as the relativity obscured, radiation belt news story was published. Even if you take the position that the new info was inserted into the novel just in time to coincide with the discovery, you are left to wonder at the cosmic genius of the author, as not even NASA predicted transitioning the belt to be an issue. And the author never mentions a "radiation belt" but simply explains that the cells of the body needed to be adjusted before further travel. This was all he was told by his hosts, human appearing ETs, subsequently made humorous in low budget movies of the era, and forever closing the public mind. Of course, at that time, the Tall Whites (google them too)--what Menger described--were still an unknown phenomenon

[lcam88]

When I look up into a clear sky and happen to see the moon in the sky, I think it is out of place. I think the "correct" sky should be moonless.

I think that to better understand the moon, we need to better understand the origin of our planet and our solar system.

I don't buy the conventional science routine about an origin from a cloud of dust floating space forming the sun and the planets. Where did that dust come from?

To say the moon has artificialities is not an exaggeration; certainly some aspects of it appear to be engineered. I have some new ideas about the OPs questions: by whom and for what purpose that are quite different...

It may be much more elegantly explained.

Does anyone want to me to share my view on it?

[jonsnow]

The Sun came from a black hole it is in the far outer edge of our solar system . Every solar system has one NASA knows there are maps showing it in old encyclopaedia it is about a billion miles from earth

When Sun dies okay the black hole it will give birth to a new Sun it is a cycle .

Universe is a ant and elephant playing seesaw ( hint the Sun is the ant )

The Sun is made of bound light when it unwinds the Sun dies it is still in youthful stage process takes millions years ( billions ? )

The black whole is equal or dead sun to all mass in our solar system its bigger than you think


http://highwic.tumblr.com/image/78795439354
map of our solar system black hole

[lcam88]

The Sun came from a black hole...

Only the standard model of astronomy requires black holes, dark matter and dark energy to "function".

Mind you, these conceptuals required for the theory to work cannot be seen or measured even though they are such fundamental parts.

Another option to consider is that the theory is wrong.

Consider:

If indeed a black hole is so dense that not even light can escape from within its event horizon, how then does a star (the sun) emerge from it?


...it is in the far outer edge of our solar system

I'm confused...

Did you mean to say something else?

[scibuster]

The black hole is a point of no return.
Cannot be transformed into a sun again.
But will also evaporate some low low low low low low energy Hawking radiation.
Stars with a mass of approcs. 3x the sun will end up in blackholes.
Maybe black holes will merge together (low low probability)
This will make gravitational waves.
Those waves will be detected soon with: LISA Pathfinder

[Jengelen]

The ancients say the sun was a plug holding back untold amounts of water and that at times it spews forth like it did in the memory of mankind once causing a downpour from heaven. Solar studies prove the sun does expel vast huge amounts of ionized water vapor with each flare putting out so much water that water permeates the universe this way! Its the connective tissue if you will interlocking all life within that matrix of water vapor, chitin and collagen which is so dense in the space before you it is the matrix of what we walk and life and breath through everyday. These are the most abundant things in the universe and all supposedly builds up from that matrix.

So, if the water vapor is everything connecting all its the water that is the life, that is the consciousness, that is god if you will and its from one end of this reality to the other not separate at all but connected always so it only makes sense that what it feels on the other side of the galaxy is instantly known on this side since we're all connected and when you think of it that way there is no distance. Its like the universe is this big man standing in that Egyptian stone wall and lets pretend now this giant universal man he gets a itch at his big toe clear out way beyond another part of the galaxy we can't even see but yet at his brain he instantly knew this because its him all one! See it now!? Water is the life connecting everything. Its everywhere even out there in space.

What man today says about the sun is that don't know what it is. We don't know how it works. We're not even sure if its hot! Not hot like they say anyway because the truth is they do not understand the sun or the moon. They don't know what it is. There is only a surface to the sun, nothing is burning its a flare and they have not one idea how it works! Trust me I've picked the brains of some of the smartest around and they do not know the sun! Forgive me but I do not know how to figure out how to imbed this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDz6dVxQbCQ

[jonsnow]

Most of the stuff they teach in university is wrong well over 90% pure shit

water is oxygen and hydrogen it can only exist in a certain temperature zone it cannot be expelled from the Sun period
The Sun and the stars are not visible in a light spectrum from space all first people saw in space was darkness .

The Sun is not hot it is ice cold

study the work of Walter Russell it would bring you to school the Universe is simple it obeys laws no chaos

black hole are misunderstood they are in every solar system they give birth to the Sun

[jonsnow]

Walter Russell
The Universal One (1927)

With this work Walter Russell appealed to the scientific world six years after his primary Illumination experience in order to publicize the laws and cosmic interrelations that had been revealed to him. More than one thousand editions of this work, that had been published at his own expense, were sent to the top experts of research and science. Their reaction was devastating  it was zero. Most of them did not even acknowledge having received this large-sized volume and hardly anybody, aside from a few open spirits such as Fritz Berger and Nikola Tesla, took the content of this book seriously.





Walter Russell
The Secret Of Light (1947)

Twenty years after the staggering reaction caused by The Universal One, Walter Russell presented the basic cosmic correlations in a simplified manner and with more conventional scientific wording. The radical innovation and simplicity of his thoughts in this book make for most sophisticated reading, but the more one immerses oneself the more accessible it becomes.


others .......

[scibuster]

Please define surface of the sun.

How is temperature defined in physics ?

The surface of the sun is complex.


Measured against the Planck temperature the surfuce of the sun is Monster-Cold.

[jonsnow]

Space and the Hydrogen Age
By Walter Russell

Walter Russell: musician, painter, sculptor, architectural designer, philosopher, and natural scientist; Walter Russell dropped out of school in grade 8 in order to help support his family. Always sensing a deep inner connection, he became aware of his genius no matter to what endeavor he turned his hand, becoming a world class pianist, artist, sculptor, writer, architect and figure skater. As his awareness of the true nature of man grew, he knew that anyone could do likewise.

In 1921, Russell experienced a 39-day cosmic illumination. From what he learned in that experience, coupled with studies in traditional science, he formulated the “Russell Cosmogony,” through his books The Universal One, The Russell Genero-Radiative Concept, The Secret of Light, and A New Concept of the Universe. Though scoffed at by the scientific community of his time, he was later to be recognized for identifying new elements in the Periodic Table and work that is now being echoed in quantum physics.

In 1926, Walter Russell published The Universal One, his first book of Russell Cosmogony, sending out copies to over five hundred leading world scientists. The many diagrams in that book included these Russell Charts of the Elements, in which he predicted the position of elements that were missing in the Mendeleef Chart, including the radioactive elements.

Walter Russell’s comments on the ‘Vacuum’ : “The greatest error of science is in relation to space. Science thinks of space either as a void or as an ether through which solids of matter travel. The fact is that space travels with its solids, for each solid is surrounded by a minus zero equal-and-opposite vacuity of the plus zero which we call matter. Matter floats in these insulating spatial counterparts. Positive electricity is accountable for the solids and negative electricity is accountable for the space. All matter comes out of space by the action of positive electricity and is returned to space by the action of negative electricity. White-hot suns come from the blackness of cold space and cold space radiates from hot suns. The matter of space consists of holes surrounded by corpuscular solids, while the matter of solids consists of small dense cores surrounded by vast tenuous holes of space. The very purpose of the hot suns is to act as crucibles for melting the raw materials which the Creator needs for expressing the idea of the universe. Contrarily, the very purpose of space is to cool the melted matter set out in order that it may become conditioned for the complex expressions of Creation. The two-way interchange between spatial holes and material solids is continuous.”- Walter Russell.

Walter Russell presented to the world new theories such as the fundamental principles of energy dynamics, the nature of matter and the progression of the evolution of matter, and the depiction of the universe as a continuously changing, creating effort sustained by the systematic work effort of the energy of light which all matter is composed. His depictions of universal laws was expansive enough to be considered a complete cosmology. Today his works are known as Russelian science.

Russell portrayed the principles of the unity of universal law in a way that brought many highly considered theories into direct conflict, or rather incompleteness, such as some of the fundamental principles derived by Newton. He presented a new view of the periodic table of elements that led him to the prediction of the existence of plutonium which was still unknown to mankind and soon after discovered, (as well as elements which are still unknown to mankind but have their mathematical placement in his charts) as well as the creation of heavy water which is required for the process of releasing nuclear energy. Russell’s periodic table has not however been adopted fully despite these discoveries, as it indeed defies a great deal of current scientific thought, primarily the nature of the evolution of matter and the unified wavelength principle which his table is based.

Such conflicts have left the work of Russell somewhat in the category of obscurity as his cosmology, while complete in itself, would require upon its academic and scientific acceptance not only the upheaval of many scientific theories, but also matters such as the nature of God. The connections between matters that many consider religious has left many to dismiss all of his material.

Besides his scientific contributions, Russell was successful in a wide array of fields as well, including the fine arts, architecture, business, and of course writing. He was friend and advisor to many prominent historical figures such as the president of the United States and gave many lectures across the nation about the connection between these universal principles and the applications of such knowledge to human life. Russell’s literary works can be found at the University of Science and Philosophy

Walter Russell delivered this address, below, at the Hotel Pennsylvania in New York on May 13, 1939, at the annual convention of The Eastern Electronic Association:

Hydrogen is the most plentiful substance that the sun generates in its outer atmosphere , and the most plentiful of our outer atmosphere beyond twenty miles. Our oceans are inexhaustible storehouses of voided hydrogen, which can be regenerated to active hydrogen. I shall talk to you tonight about the reality of space as an equal partner with the solids of matter, which float in it. I shall also talk to you about the hydrogen age which is at our door, for an intimate knowledge of space is also at our door and it is that knowledge of space which will give us our hydrogen age. Also it will give us our new cosmogony. In fact, the very secrets of life and death, which have eluded man for ages, lie within a knowledge of space.

This subject is very timely because of the concern of the present generation over the fuel problems of future generations. One of our distinguished scientists delivered an address recently, which was pessimistic in regard to future progress. My talk tonight is not only a more hopeful answer, but it is also a general protest against the expanding universe theory, which modern science has conceived out of misinterpretations of natural phenomena. This idea that the universe is committing suicide has grown out of the unbalanced, one-way theory of the universe created by modern science, which investigates matter to form its conclusions and as yet knows practically nothing about space. With a knowledge of space, the dying universe, and its authority in the unbalanced second law of thermodynamics would be impossible.

Our distinguished scientist said that we had nearly reached the end of the tremendous progress of the last century. In fifty years from now, he states, we would be going on about as now with only slight improvements. In fifty years our oil supply will be exhausted; our coal will last for a thousand years, but we will probably not be able to get more work out of a pound of coal than we do now. Hence our enforced stoppage of progress.

Let me quote him: “There are, I think, no other possible sources of power of comparable cheapness. When the oil and coal are gone, we shall get our power directly from the sun through solar motors, or wind mills, or tidal machines, or else directly through growing and burning plants.”

Unlimited Hydrogen:
the Cheapest and Best Fuel

It is very saddening to hear such an eminent scientist repeat the fears of past ages of men who insisted that we would have to go to bed in the dark when the whales were all killed. But sadder still is the lack of vision of all the scientists who fail to see an unlimited supply of hydrogen, the cheapest and best fuel the world has ever known, waiting for man to use it. Hydrogen is the most plentiful substance, which the sun generates in its outer atmosphere, and the most plentiful of our outer atmosphere beyond twenty miles. Also, our oceans are inexhaustible storehouses of voided hydrogen, which can be regenerated to active hydrogen. Before the whales were all killed, man’s intelligence gave us kerosene and gas, then coal and gasoline. Before these are exhausted, his intelligence will give us hydrogen.

Do you realize what the coming of hydrogen in plentiful quantities would mean to the world? Let me stimulate your imagination by picturing an ocean liner manufacturing its own fuel, as it is needed, from either the water under it or the air above it, in one room of the capacity of one or two of its coal bunkers. It would not even need storage space for extra supply, for the hydrogen generators would be in the very fire chambers under the boilers. Do not tell me that there is no hydrogen in air, for if you do, I will tell you that there is none in water. Water, air, hydrogen, and oxygen are not things; they are conditions of the light of the sun and the dark of space from which they sprang.

We Must Know the Secrets of the Structure of Space

Through knowledge, we can supply the conditions that will give us hydrogen by voiding nitrogen as simply as we can supply the conditions that yield those elements by voiding water. By knowing how Nature blankets our earth with miles of hydrogen above the nitrogen and how the sun produces the conditions for making its huge hydrogen bonfires, we can do likewise. To acquire this knowledge one must know the secrets of the structure of space, for space is just fifty percent of the universal potential, a fact which science has not yet suspected. Science already knows the chemical relation of hydrogen to water, but it has never suspected the spatial relation of hydrogen to nitrogen, which forms 88% of the lower part of the insulating blanket that we call air.

When this spatial relation is known, it will have so great an effect upon the new world of its making that a new chemistry will be ushered into our civilization, a chemistry which will take spatial pressures into partnership with material ones, as it should. After all, the upper-earth hydrogen blanket is separated (and also insulated) from the surface-of-earth oxygen by the nitrogenous strata of a valence equaling the two. Nitrogen can therefore be easily voided and replaced by incandescent hydrogen, such as is found in the sun’s upper atmosphere.

Elements of Matter Are Not Permanently Existent

To comprehend my meaning, you must disabuse your minds of the idea that the elements are permanently existent, for they are not. Metals are entirely voided in their salts, oxides, and silicates, and both hydrogen and oxygen are as entirely voided by water as sound is voided by silence. There is no such thing as transmutation of one element into another. One never can become another for each is voided when another condition makes its continuance impossible and another one possible.

Hydrogen flames leap for thousands of miles into the sun’s atmosphere, yet there is no hydrogen at all upon the sun’s surface until the time of its leaping into flame. If the amount of hydrogen which explodes from the sun’s surface in one week existed upon the sun, there would be no sun. It would explode. The sun generates hydrogen and burns it simultaneously, and an ocean liner could do the same.

Elements are not things; they are conditions. Produce a certain condition which is the pattern for hydrogen, or carbon dioxide, or sodium chloride, and they appear from space into which they continually disappear when the conditions are favorable, exactly as apples appear as the solids of apples and disappear as the gases of apples when conditions favor each stage of each cycle.

Science has already discovered the conditions necessary for producing hydrogen by voiding water, but by the primitive, cumbersome, and expensive method known as electrolysis. If the sun could speak, it would be very satirical about the inability of humans to perceive so obvious a thing as the sun’s method of solving its fuel problems in plentiful fashion.

Elements Are But Different Conditions of Light Pressures

The trouble with humans is in forming wrong conclusions in relation to Nature’s expressions. We think, for example, that elements are different substances and that each substance is permanently existent as such. That is not true. Elements are but different conditions of light pressures. They are the raw materials for the fashioning of Creation’s images in the patterns controlled by light waves. They appear when the pressure necessary for their conditions appear and disappear when those pressure conditions cease. Every element in each octave occupies its own pressure position in its wave. Each element seems to be a different substance as the electric pressure conditions of each position in each wave of matter changes. However, it is not the substance that changes, it is the condition of the substance.

Voidance and re-creation is one of the simplest and most obvious principles of Nature. I cannot imagine how it has escaped discovery during the centuries. Oxygen, for example, is voided when you breathe it in. You produce a condition that calls for the pattern of carbon dioxide, and oxygen, as raw material, is as voided as though it never was. Iron, likewise, voids oxygen and oxygen voids iron by rusting. And so it goes all down through the octave waves.

The True Nature of Space

The greatest error of science is in relation to space. Science thinks of space either as a void or as an ether through which solids of matter travel. Sir Oliver Lodge tried to find a drag in this ether caused by the earth’s passage through it, but could not; therefore, he came to the conclusion that there was nothing there. The fact is that space travels with its solids, for each solid is surrounded by a minus zero equal-and-opposite vacuity of the plus zero which we call matter. Matter floats in these insulating spatial counterparts. Positive electricity is accountable for the solids and negative electricity is accountable for the space.

The potential of solids is unequal, volume for volume, to the space that surrounds it, but space and its solids as wholes are equal to each other in potential. This makes the condition possible for performing what science calls work, which necessitates a high and low potential for inter-oscillation. The centripetal power of gravity in great whirling nebula as expressed by positive electricity is winding energy uphill into those hot balls of fire, which hang in cold space by those two black arms in each spiral nucleus. Gravitation, uphill flow of energy, and positive electricity are the same thing.

Likewise, the two fiery white arms of such nebula are unwinding the cosmic clock by the centrifugal power of negative electricity, which science calls radiant energy. The black arms represent as great a force as the white suns, for matter is formed from them. Our scientist friend says that the second law of thermodynamics is as firmly established as the law of gravitation. That could not be possible, for gravitation is an uphill flow of energy, and believers in the second law of thermodynamics refuse to concede the possibility of a simultaneous equal and opposite balance between the uphill and downhill flow of energy. In fact, that law is based upon the belief that energy flows only downhill.

All matter comes out of space by the action of positive electricity and is returned to space by the action of negative electricity. White-hot suns come from the blackness of cold space and cold space radiates from hot suns. The matter of space consists of holes surrounded by corpuscular solids, while the matter of solids consists of small dense cores surrounded by vast tenuous holes of space. The very purpose of the hot suns is to act as crucibles for melting the raw materials which the Creator needs for expressing the idea of the universe. Contrarily, the very purpose of space is to cool the melted matter set out in order that it may become conditioned for the complex expressions of Creation. The two-way interchange between spatial holes and material solids is continuous.

Space has a structure that gives crystal forms to its solid counterparts. Each pair of solids in the universe is not only separated by its spatial envelope, but is insulated by space from contact with other solids. For this reason, it is impossible for two particles of matter actually to come in contact with each other. Also, the path of every two solids in the universe is controlled by two foci, which keep the entire universe in balance. One of these foci represents density and the other one represents vacuity.

Absolute Balance in Nature

The most conspicuously obvious thing about all cause and effect in this universe is Balance. The second law of thermodynamic reeks with unbalance. It has no place whatsoever in Nature. Every effect in Nature is based upon the wave and the wave is absolute in its balance. There is nothing in Nature outside of the wave; therefore, there can be no unbalanced thing in Nature.

The entire universe of motion is expressed by positive and negative electric opposites, which thrust away from each other in just the reverse manner from that which the Coulomb Law sets forth. Positive electricity charges through gravitation. The falling rain charges and heats the earth. Negative electricity discharges through radiation. The rising vapors discharge and cool the earth. Both expressions are equal and opposite. Expansion cannot exceed contraction. Each is actually the cause of the other. They spring from each other and their continuity constitutes a cycle, which could be recorded thus: heat radiates, radiation expands, expansion cools, cold generates, generation contracts, and contraction heats.

A New Cosmogony

Time will not permit further development of this idea, so I will conclude by saying that the hydrogen age could be here within a year or two if it were not for the tremendous resistance set up by modern science to the most obvious simple truths of Nature. I know these secrets of space, which will give hydrogen to science, but my cosmogony is so radically different from that of modern science that every attempt to give voice to it meets with the usual fate of those whose ideas do not fit conventional patterns.

In order that it may not be lost to the world, I have put all this knowledge of space and the electric octave wave from which all things come into a book called The Cosmic Plan.1 Any scientist who comprehends the principles laid down in that book can produce hydrogen the way the sun produces it, or the way space enfolds our planet with it.

There are principles laid down in that book which will make a new world, but it cannot be printed until I can print it at my own expense because publishers submit my manuscripts to orthodox physicists for their approval of it. They might as well submit a book by Galileo to the Pope. The Cosmic Plan is a new cosmogony, which differs as much from this present one as the Copernican cosmogony differs from its Ptolemaic predecessor. Naturally, the orthodox believer in the theory of the dying, one-way, unbalanced universe will not approve of a theory of a two-way, balanced, living universe.

Scientists regard me as sort of an interloper in their difficult field, and I do not blame them a bit. As a sculptor I would feel the same about a physicist who thought he could revolutionize sculpture. They call me a mystic or an intuitive with a keen imagination, a person who does not use the recognized legitimate research laboratory methods of gaining knowledge.

The Universe Is But One Thing:
LIGHT

I might say in reply that my laboratory is God’s whole big universe of all Nature, which I have observed as a thinker and found to be very simple. I see it as a whole, not as many separate parts. To me, the universe is but one thing—light, which is expressed in octave waves of light patterned into different conditions of light, which we call the elements of matter. I do not regard the elements of matter as different substances. To me they are but different conditions of the one thing, which the two opposed electric forces have divided into pairs of many seeming opposite expressions of the one thing from which they sprang.

I see no reason why man should not produce hydrogen the same way that Nature produces it. He has all the tools with which to do it when he but acquires the knowledge of Nature’s methods.

Seeming Complexities Confuse
Truth is Simple

Scientific observers of grains of sand in laboratories are handicapped by the kaleidoscopic multiplicity of things in their separate universes. They see their many things complexly instead of simply. Hence we find a preponderance of scientists who are merely photographers, mathematicians, statisticians, measurers, and quantity surveyors. There are too few thinkers in science and those who do think see things too complexly. Let me give you an example. Einstein once said, in effect: “It may sometime be shown that matter emerges from space, to again be swallowed up in it.”

To other physicists, this seemed a very liberal and radical statement. But to me, it sounded as though a man, looking at the sun, were to say: “It may sometime be shown that the light which vitalizes things on this earth has its origin in the sun.”

I wish to leave with you this one idea—that we are still primates, hardly out of the jungle, and hardly yet able to think. Anyone who tells you that we are near the end of the great progress of the last century is not taking into account our extreme youth as human thinkers. We still have so far to go that the progress of the last century will seem as nothing as compared with what will immediately follow a more intimate knowledge of space.

[scibuster]

Walter Russell
The Universal One (1927)

With this work Walter Russell appealed to the scientific world six years after his primary Illumination experience in order to publicize the laws and cosmic interrelations that had been revealed to him. More than one thousand editions of this work, that had been published at his own expense, were sent to the top experts of research and science. Their reaction was devastating it was zero. Most of them did not even acknowledge having received this large-sized volume and hardly anybody, aside from a few open spirits such as Fritz Berger and Nikola Tesla, took the content of this book seriously.





Walter Russell
The Secret Of Light (1947)

Twenty years after the staggering reaction caused by The Universal One, Walter Russell presented the basic cosmic correlations in a simplified manner and with more conventional scientific wording. The radical innovation and simplicity of his thoughts in this book make for most sophisticated reading, but the more one immerses oneself the more accessible it becomes.


others .......

Walter Russell:

Philosophers are also needed.
Also musicians.

[lcam88]

Stars with a mass of approcs. 3x the sun will end up in blackholes.

That would be after a supernova event where a lot of mass is blown into space, the event is marked by a point in the stars life where the nuclear fuel no longer can produce enough energy to prevent the collapse, according to the standard model of astronomy at least.


Maybe black holes will merge together (low low probability)

Considering that a black hole actually exists, and theories in the standard model of astronomy still have merit of consideration:

Considering what is known about a black hole, the "space" within the phenomena defined by the event horizon where light no longer can escape, can no longer exists in our notion of space-time. Space-time can be said to have collapsed within the phenomena since the distinction between propagating though space (light) vs propagating through time (matter) can no longer be made.

Given that, how is it possible to think (or imagine) black holes to distinct entities, if space-time has collapsed then any distinction by location (center of galaxy A vs center of galaxy B) would be degenerate. Perhaps not unlike dividing a number by zero? Wouldn't that mean that all black holes are actually one and the same? ie, already merged?


The ancients say the sun was a plug holding back untold amounts of water and that at times it spews forth like it did in the memory of mankind once causing a downpour from heaven. Solar studies prove the sun does expel vast huge amounts of ionized water vapor with each flare putting out so much water that water permeates the universe this way! Its the connective tissue if you will interlocking all life within that matrix of water vapor, chitin and collagen which is so dense in the space before you it is the matrix of what we walk and life and breath through everyday. These are the most abundant things in the universe and all supposedly builds up from that matrix.

Perhaps the ancient translated text "water" could also be translated as "fluid"?

That possible correction in the translation renders much more meaning to me. Consideration that subsequent translations of the detail associated could likely be much less metaphorical is another possible result.

If you think fluid is a better translation, then the analogy and metaphor above matches the general pattern in what the Electric Universe people are saying.

Plasma (a "super-gaseous" state of matter "easily" energized) is a fluid capable of "occupying" the vacuum of space. Perhaps this more "perfect" and rarified fluid nature of plasma is "frozen" in steps as a plasmic materials change to a gas, and then a liquid, and finally losing almost everything we know about fluidity in a solid.

We understand plasma as we "understand" a florescent light bulb, however plasma can exist even if it is not energized. Noble gases for example are erroneously (IMO) categorized as a gas (because of its similarity to water vapor and other molecular compounds in the gaseous state). That confusion causes us difficulty when trying to conceptualize a plasma.

Because of this confusion, we are caught in the moment of requiring some energetic moment associated with a gas to then identify the plasma state.

The fact of the matter is that a noble gas will not create bonds to neighboring charged particles.

Ionized gas is something we commonly associate with a plasma; the hydroxyl group (HO) has that one hydrogen bond open and seeking to grab a free floating agent with an extra electron. But if the entire cloud of ionized gas is positively charged, the the electrical relativity for the hydroxyl group can be considered neutral, ie not charged.

That is the state we notice noble gases to be in; it is in that atomic form without "open bond". The nature of the fluidity of plasma, perhaps, is best described as a gas absent these interconnecting bond. We can energize or charge clouds of gas with open bonds and prevent interconnecting bonds from forming and thus maintaining the plasmic state. But energization is a method to maintain the plasma only, and not a characteristic intrinsic to plasma itself.

To take the analysis one step further, we simply have no evidence that 02 or N2 (N3?) as free-floating Oxygen and Nitrogen molecules in the atmosphere do not have electrical poles. Overall, they are neutral, but just as water [molecules] have poles, other materials do too (except maybe the nobles). These electrical poles create a type of attraction between molecules known as the Van der Waals force (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_der_Waals_force). That causes these molecules to form larger structures aligning along their poles [or wherever the charges are strongest]. This intermolecular structure is largely ignored in our science as taught today.

This chaining and integration of bodies in a gaseous medium is what separates the gaseous physical state from the plasma state.

If you imagine this same phenomena increasing the density of the molecules [and the level of interconnectedness] you find yourself imagining a liquid. Solutions of salts or the like in water being made possible by an electrical connectedness through the chains of [H20] molecules. And increasing the [bond] density even further you can easily imagine a solid. Mineral ores are agglomerations of many different types of molecules and atoms held together in a delicate matrix type structure.

^ That would be my examination on the first principles that gives way to the equilibriums that makes life possible. All matter being in some state of fluidity and/or flux of energy.

[lcam88]

I am still absorbing what Walter Russell had to write.

You have to be willing to accept associations made that might be controversial to the scientific order to accept most of it.

Furthermore, if you start from a place where your knowledge is too slanted, you will find yourself unable to grasp actual meaning that easily relates to the knowledge you accumulated thereto, the issue is having a reference to understand. (You will not be able to understand biological chemistry until you know how to read the periodic table.)

That is why agree with jonsnow: 90% of what you are taught is cr4p. You are left with knowledge that is somewhat like a circular argument, it is based on itself, and references itself. Outside references require more effort to be absorbed and then you have specialists who rarely are willing to venture beyond their "cubicle" type comfort zone.

[lcam88]

jengelen life as we know it can only exist in a certain temperature zone :)

earth and mars both exist in this zone currently but as planets move outside it they get bigger 4,8,16,64,316, once you know where a planet is you can calculate its size density that is why nibriu is very large becomes it comes from far outer region of our solar system :D

For life as we know it.

But there may be other forms of life that are impossible in our conditions that do well in a liquid methane environment for all we know.