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bsbray
24th December 2015, 04:01
My thread title might be controversial, but we could insert many names into it instead of "Corey Goode." I use his name just because of the division of opinion about him that serves to point out the problem of trying to find common ground when it comes to all the people claiming to be contactees and whistleblowers. If we didn't have a real suspicion that there really are interactions between ETs and humans, then these people wouldn't be getting the amount of attention that they are. Of course many of us believe their stories could be true, because we believe in ETs and we believe in covert military programs and all these sorts of things. Many of us are also convinced that certain authorities would go to great lengths to muddy the waters and divert our curiosity towards a complicated mess of contradictory information that's hard to get anything valuable out of.

So the problem that we all share is trying to figure out what is true and what is false. For those of us who have been around the mulberry bush long enough to see the "flavor of the month" whistleblowers giving so many different stories, we also share the problem of, "how can I be sure of what any of these people are saying?," or even, "what practical use is this information to me, anyway?" They all have different stories, different degrees of fame, and often clash with each other in one way or another. We all know that the actual details of their stories are often totally contradictory. Some of them might be right, and some of them might think they're right, but they certainly can't all be right. And I believe many of them are intentionally-planted red herrings, complete with media promotion.

The actual contents of the story below seem to me more of a mix of elements from Billy Meier (totalitarian ET utopias) and David Wilcock (technology, forecasted catastrophes and failed predictions), though the specific details are different. The saying "the more things change, the more they stay the same" might be apropos. This is a story from a book published in 1969 called Livre du Mystérieux Inconnu, ie "Book of the Mysterious Unknown." It's about a man called "Monsieur Mn Y..." (an abbreviated, anonymous name) claiming to be an ET contactee, that will sound very familiar to those who have been following the various personalities of the modern "alternative community" over the years.

See how much of the game sounds familiar to you. :chrs:

Monsieur “MN Y...” is the person who claimed to have visited the planet “Baavi” in the region of Alpha Centauri A and B, where he learned an “almost complete” grammar for a language called Baal or Baavian («baavienne»). A sample of the language (which is not shown) is said to have been sent by Charroux [the author of this book] to a linguist and professor at the Lycée Descartes in Algiers, Monsieur “T.” The professor is said to have been unfamiliar with the language or grammar but noted that it had “anomalies” suggesting that it had been written by a Frenchman (ie, that the grammar had been invented by a Frenchman, and not an extraterrestrial). Mr. “MN Y...” is said to have then responded that he had only tried to summarize what he had learned and that his knowledge was incomplete.

This gentleman also predicted that ETs would “officially” reveal themselves within five years (remembering that this book was published in 1969 – meaning this man's prediction expired in 1974).

MN Y...'s story is given in more detail as he presented it in person to Charroux. He claimed he was on the planet Baavi in Alpha Centauri for two months between 1940 and 1945, during the war years in France. He said he was taken on an essentially saucer-shaped craft that passed the “speed of gravity” and into “anti-time.”

His description of the planet is reminiscent of elitist ideals in regards to population control and the concentration of populations into designated urban areas à la Agenda 21. Specifically, after individuals give genetic/reproductive samples at a certain age, they are sterilized to prevent births which are not officially sanctioned. The institution of marriage is non-existent, and people make love with each other freely for physical pleasure, a man perhaps having sex with several different women in a single day without any “particular feeling of affection of tenderness.” The inhabitants of “Baavi” are furthermore said to live in a single city while the rest of the planet is left in its natural state. There also appear to be no social classes, with “rare” exceptions.

The Baals, according to this individual, are warning of an upcoming catastrophe on Earth and wish to save a remnant of the population in order to repopulate the Earth later. So here we add fear-mongering and an offer of ET salvation to the mix of authoritarian political and social ideas said to describe their society earlier.

The anonymous gentleman ultimately staked his claim upon documents he had which explained how to achieve anti-gravity propulsion, which he suggested be submitted to experts for their opinions. Assuming that the results of this would have been different than the results of his supposed alien language after their submission to a linguist, it would not rule out the possibility that this individual was working as a disinformant for military and/or intelligence agencies with real access to such information.

In the conclusion of the chapter on this man, we are forewarned again by Mr. Mn Y... of future catastrophes. This time a collapse of social order (which would no doubt be required to institute anything like the socialist absolutism which this supposed advanced extraterrestrial civilization is said to have themselves) and, significantly, a threat of artificial intelligence (in the form of computers dictating the direction of human society).

What I take away from this story is that people falsely claiming to be contactees or whistleblowers of sorts is nothing new, and several of the same elements are still seen today. Some of these common elements that can be found in the messages of various alternative personalities today are:

(1) describing "advanced" ET civilizations as having totalitarian governments that dictate who can live where and even who can have children and when (as if presenting us humans with something glorious to aspire to in the future),
(2) fear-mongering of future cataclysms that will destroy or nearly destroy the human race,
(3) presenting ET races as saviors who are here, not just to help humanity, but to free us from all personal responsibility to change our own society,
(4) inserting technical details about advanced alien technology such as propulsion systems, that often seem like slightly more advanced versions of things we already use here on Earth,
(4) changing or complicating the story when elements of it appear to be independently refuted, in order to "explain" the discrepancies, and
(5) failed predictions -- something we haven't seen so much of recently, possibly because in the age of the Internet people are keeping better records of whose predictions aren't panning out.

These elements, drawn from this "Mn Y..." story, remind me more specifically of Meier and Wilcock's information as it has been presented over the years, but we can strip these elements back even further to consider how other alleged contactees and whistleblowers line up:

(1) how advanced ET civilizations are portrayed in terms of culture, society and politics;
(2) whether the message is encouraging or discouraging personal responsibility to help create change in society;
(3) what role ETs are said to be playing in relation to mankind, whether as oppressors, saviors, moral support, spiritual teachers, curious onlookers, etc.;
(4) if the story is consistent or changes over time;
(5) if there have been any failed predictions.

To bring this thread back to Corey Goode, since I chose to use him as the example in the title, I know that Aianawa and URIKORN still follow and support his efforts, so maybe, if they feel like it, they can discuss how Corey's message compares to the above. Since Billy Meier most resembles this French case, and they both came to prominence in the 60s/70s, and both are from western Europe, I am tempted to lump "Mn Y..." and Billy Meier into one basket labelled "European disinformation agents from the 60s and 70s." It looks like they belonged to the same "club," so to speak, and were part of the same effort. Maybe that's too simplistic and maybe it's totally incorrect but it's what it looks like to me. I'm sure the same types of things are going on today, but the content and tactics seem to have changed since then.

Dreamtimer
24th December 2015, 04:21
You've already informed me further, Bsbray. Thank you.

I never believed in totalitarian utopia. There's no utopia in being controlled. Where's the pride & merit in a decision made for you?

I have to take all these whistleblowers as potential and possibility.

Aianawa
24th December 2015, 05:57
Bsbray, can you not wait till at least DW and CG are debunked, proved incorrect, etc ?.

donk
24th December 2015, 15:37
I think what gets lost in the creation of these myths (or revealing of these "truths") is that they're the closest thing to "legitimately debunking" the common myth in our collective, for as long as I've been observing: That humans are the penultimate of creation.

I don't think many realize how this is the prevailing thought that underlies most of our beliefs. The idea that in all of the reality bubble we co-habitate within, no matter what you believe, it is in relation to the "collective" idea that we are on the top some food chain...and we mystify anything "higher" or with more awareness of existing beyond our basic 3d senses.

It's a cognitive dissonance...where even science/atheism allows for the belief in "infinity"....while most thoughts limits the ceiling of cosciousness to that which we currently scientifically test.

This is why I believe real "disclosure" is so hard to come by...it's programmed out of our imagination that we may not be the center of the universe, and not even the Gods we've worshipped throughout history...if they actually existed in a literal sense as beings so as powerful/knowledgable about our reality as to be able to completely manipulate and even create it...that even in the grand scheme a "Yahweh" or "Allah" creating people or this solar or galaxy is still a speck in the grand fractal All That Is seems to be.

That's why I see these guys as the "Jon Stewarts" of the "disclosure movement"...it seems like the underlying truth they want to reveal is empowering, and maybe they even believe it to be, but ultimately it is further fuel to fire of mockery that flames up at the idea there might be "intelligences" with the option to treat us the way we treat "lesser" animals....and maybe even in different ways than we can imagine.

Dumpster Diver
24th December 2015, 16:50
As I've said in other posts, I welcome all "revealers" and/or "whistleblowers"

Each has some amount of truth and "dis-truth" in their signals (I view all of this as a problem of signal theory) and it is up to me to sort out the ratio of signal to noise or "dis-truth" in each source. NOBODY is right all the time; everyone has some amount of "dis-truth" in their statements, either because they are mistaken, out-right lying, buying into a bad theory, etc.

I think it is very possible that both DW and CG both think they are revealing "truths" and could each be fed "concoctions of facts" that have some high percentage of truth but has the ultimate "big lie" buried in all of it.

In fact, the main "dis-truth" that may be coming out of all this could be: Disclosure is really not happening, but they are made to feel that it is and it is "just around the corner."

donk
24th December 2015, 17:11
Each has some amount of truth and "dis-truth" in their signals (I view all of this as a problem of signal theory) and it is up to me to sort out the ratio of signal to noise or "dis-truth" in each source. NOBODY is right all the time; everyone has some amount of "dis-truth" in their statements, either because they are mistaken, out-right lying, buying into a bad theory, etc.

I believe accepting this is what makes this more difficult.

I believe it is intentional...to distort the importance of intention.

As long as we keep telling ourselves it's our own fault the "true" nature of reality is not shown to us, we will continue to believe it is the "nature" of these forums or the internet or even human nature or universal truth that it is so difficult to "find truth"...all while we cognitively dissonately tell each other and ourselves stories of how "they" deceive us.

In other words: we will continue to be used agaist ourselves, as long as we believe both lies-truths, that we create the noise and/or they create the noise

I don't believe lies or confusion are the "true nature" of anything...that they are intentionally created, and as such require great energy to keep up. I think some of the bigger lies are starting to crumble, and we can help in the breaking down of the confusion by understanding the intent/mechanism (WHY and HOW) of the direction of energy toward disempowering thoughts/lies. If we can just get out of our addiction to trying to prove the WHAT.

Dumpster Diver
24th December 2015, 17:52
I believe accepting this is what makes this more difficult.

I believe it is intentional...to distort the importance of intention.

As long as we keep telling ourselves it's our own fault the "true" nature of reality is not shown to us, we will continue to believe it is the "nature" of these forums or the internet or even human nature or universal truth that it is so difficult to "find truth"...all while we cognitively dissonately tell each other and ourselves stories of how "they" deceive us.

In other words: we will continue to be used agaist ourselves, as long as we believe both lies-truths, that we create the noise and/or they create the noise

I don't believe lies or confusion are the "true nature" of anything...that they are intentionally created, and as such require great energy to keep up. I think some of the bigger lies are starting to crumble, and we can help in the breaking down of the confusion by understanding the intent/mechanism (WHY and HOW) of the direction of energy toward disempowering thoughts/lies. If we can just get out of our addiction to trying to prove the WHAT.

Well, I have a private set of beliefs. They are based on things I have observed myself and connected with "math logic" to extend to things I've not seen myself. It's a voyage of self discovery, and I welcome all other views for consideration. If I happen to help others by showing my views, great, otherwise it's all about my self discovery...my facts..my life. I'm not trying to convince/convert/etc anybody.

I come here to learn new ways to look at things, and I present a few meager views in return.

donk
24th December 2015, 17:58
My point is that some of these people WANT to convince people, that it's nice what you're doing for yourself, and will be nicer it project outward...but a lot of what we do here is talk about a "they"...which it seems at some times is important and sometimes not.

My personal belief is that there are consciousnesses...external to me, quite adept at directing energy. It may be relevent here specifically, in the that the creation of the attention drawn to these stories is understandable and possibly even tracable.

But for the belief that it's always just "people being people".

I think intention is very important. The WHY. I find it incoprehensible how many people seem to push the idea of trying to understanding WHY is not important, to just "be". My belief is that nothing is more important. Especially if you desire to JUST BE.

Dumpster Diver
24th December 2015, 18:14
My point is that some of these people WANT to convince people, that it's nice what you're doing for yourself, and will be nicer it project outward...but a lot of what we do here is talk about a "they"...which it seems at some times is important and sometimes not.

My personal belief is that there are consciousnesses...external to me, quite adept at directing energy. It may be relevent here specifically, in the that the creation of the attention drawn to these stories is understandable and possibly even tracable.

But for the belief that it's always just "people being people".

I think intention is very important. The WHY. I find it incoprehensible how many people seem to push the idea of trying to understanding WHY is not important, to just "be". My belief is that nothing is more important. Especially if you desire to JUST BE.

Well, I do quite agree with you here.

In a disinformation campaign, looking for the import of a particular "movement" can be very important. Crowd the idea with a lot of "good" facts, but the main import is the lie to be sold.

For example, DW & CG are all about disclosure and if it is a disinformation campaign, perhaps the disinformation is not happening but "let's use it to pump up the crazies" and then let them crash, or something else that is useful i.e. the disclosure is useful (to "them") in some fashion. This is still-forming idea on my part, BTW.

Jengelen
24th December 2015, 19:14
The only way to look at each case is case by case and only stick with the ones that have actual data to examine! Hard facts, not tales or stories of conspiracy with promise of something to come but actual data and information that can be acted on. Its a very simple process if you are truly open minded. Many that claim to be open minded are in fact closed minded and have already made up their mind. These are not researchers but believers. A researcher follows real data, real facts that you can get your hands on, pictures of real depressions, real craft, real damage to property or foot prints or whatever. This is real stuff. Story telling is not I see no reason at all to let someone with stories mix with someone with data, they have no business together its like mixing apples and oranges. I do not see any hard data with Corey or David. In all seriousness I am surprised at the lack of insight into what is going on here. The best way to eliminate a problem, a real problem is to first divide it from within, and that is what I believe Corey is up to knowingly or not! I have heard promise after promise after promise and circumstantial stories of supposed documents but where is the real data? Nothing of substance exists in my opinion with Corey. Even when Corey said his home was invaded did he provide any real proof? Not at all. It would have been real easy to show some pictures of the damage or anything else in the way of documents. I don't know why guys still follow this guy.

bsbray
24th December 2015, 20:37
Bsbray, can you not wait till at least DW and CG are debunked, proved incorrect, etc ?.

David Wilcock has already made failed predictions, so even if I was interested in waiting, I wouldn't have to in his case. I've told you about my personal interactions with Corey on this forum before too, if you remember about that, so I'm satisfied that I've personally seen how he operates as well. Maybe it was a blessing in disguise, because otherwise I might still be wondering if he is really capable of making things up.

But even aside from that, we deal with things all the time that can't prove or disprove. A lot of the study of history is like that, differences of perspective and that sort of thing.



I believe accepting this is what makes this more difficult.

I believe it is intentional...to distort the importance of intention.

Of course it makes things more difficult, and of course it's intentional. That's the point in counter-intelligence, to confuse the target audience so that they don't have good information to start making decisions. But it's already been done and we have to work with the situation as it exists. I think this is actually a great opportunity, because blindly taking what anyone says at face value is not a wise thing anyway, let alone when so many people say so many different things. So all of the dis- and misinformation gives us a great opportunity to start thinking for ourselves.


I think some of the bigger lies are starting to crumble, and we can help in the breaking down of the confusion by understanding the intent/mechanism (WHY and HOW) of the direction of energy toward disempowering thoughts/lies. If we can just get out of our addiction to trying to prove the WHAT.

Yes, disempowering the masses is the name of the game. I think the "why" and "how" in this case are chained to the "what" too, though.

Aianawa
24th December 2015, 20:54
Except for what some call universal laws, our future is not set in stone, we can interpret the highest potentials based in the present plus knowing. Good and classic EG is, was 21 12 2012.

bsbray
24th December 2015, 21:11
I didn't think anything special was going to happen on Dec. 21, 2012, so I don't think that example applies to me. I know a lot of other people thought something profound was going to happen, but that doesn't mean anything had a high probability of actually happening. Though I agree that the future is not set in stone.

Dumpster Diver
24th December 2015, 21:38
I think every "forecaster" in this "field" has failed in their predictions at some point. If anyone knows of anybody who is 100% accurate, I'd like to know about it.

Matter of fact, I think a lot of these guys are "set up" and then shown to be "fallible" ... then they lose credence with some. Most of the laymen see one "error" then they discredit everything that person says. I see it as a well-oiled disinfo campaign at work. The Charles interview with BR gives some insight to this. There are some very, very, very smart "actors" involved.

Bottom line: I see all of these guys having some value: signal buried in noise, as I've said before.

bsbray
24th December 2015, 21:56
Does anybody remember the Zeta Talk website? They were making predictions about things like Planet X/Nibiru appearing in the sky about 10 years ago or so. They'd make one prediction, and it wouldn't happen, so they gave an explanation and made another. And it wouldn't happen either. So they make another excuse for why nothing happened, and then make another prediction. It was kind of like this "Galactic Federation" thing that happened more recently. Two surprising things here: that they don't learn to stop making predictions and embarrassing themselves when they are obviously doing it wrong, and the other surprising thing is that people kept following it and taking it seriously anyway.

Yes, DD, even if someone has information wrong, or is even blatantly lying, it doesn't mean everything they say is false. I know what you're interested in doing amounts to cross-referencing what all of these kinds of people are saying between each other. Traditional research that historians do also involves cross-referencing primary sources, among other things. That's how I try to approach the problem. I just don't use statistics.

Also, I don't know if you've checked out the thread about the "survivors" videos yet, but it's largely based on the work of a Russian mathematician named Fomenko, who uses satistics to analyze history. I want to really start digging into his research when I have more time, and anyone who's good with statistics would be a lot of help looking through his work.

Aianawa
24th December 2015, 23:03
A world wide event meditation with huge pre intent involving at least over 200 million people over a time point of 36 hours was IMO the biggest single positive occurrence in human affairs, the ripple energy pre event negated the doomsies plus tptW. I had no involvement in harmonic convergence as I was asleep as such, this was or is the same for many concerning dec21 2012, and also the many positive event timelines post Dec 21 2012, one must be, go within to then understand without, outside, to connect harmony, the way, synchronicity.

Dumpster Diver
25th December 2015, 01:29
Does anybody remember the Zeta Talk website? They were making predictions about things like Planet X/Nibiru appearing in the sky about 10 years ago or so. They'd make one prediction, and it wouldn't happen, so they gave an explanation and made another. And it wouldn't happen either. So they make another excuse for why nothing happened, and then make another prediction. It was kind of like this "Galactic Federation" thing that happened more recently. Two surprising things here: that they don't learn to stop making predictions and embarrassing themselves when they are obviously doing it wrong, and the other surprising thing is that people kept following it and taking it seriously anyway.

Yes, DD, even if someone has information wrong, or is even blatantly lying, it doesn't mean everything they say is false. I know what you're interested in doing amounts to cross-referencing what all of these kinds of people are saying between each other. Traditional research that historians do also involves cross-referencing primary sources, among other things. That's how I try to approach the problem. I just don't use statistics.

Also, I don't know if you've checked out the thread about the "survivors" videos yet, but it's largely based on the work of a Russian mathematician named Fomenko, who uses satistics to analyze history. I want to really start digging into his research when I have more time, and anyone who's good with statistics would be a lot of help looking through his work.

I'm looking at it now, thanks for the heads up. As I play chess and followed Gary Kasparov for a while, I'm vaguely familiar with Fomenko.

Since history has been messed with so much, there is no real reason he can't be onto something. These days I don't trust anything I haven't seen or derived as all media, books, etc. can be completely changed for some agenda.

Dreamtimer
25th December 2015, 21:02
I saw a lot of commotion over 2012. People seemed to fail to understand what apocalypse is and mistook it for Armageddon. It was a point of transition. The end of a pretty big cycle and the beginning of a new one. I witnessed all kinds of transition that year and since.

As for what's being revealed... That's a process.

Another planet Xer, Gerald Clark, says it's likely the revelation will come from ET rather than earthly governments.
Who knows?

Bsbray hit the nail on the head. We're in the position of finding the truth for ourselves.

Chester
18th January 2016, 20:29
Bsbray, can you not wait till at least DW and CG are debunked, proved incorrect, etc ?.

well... let me ask you this -

If I tell you incredible, fantastical stories and in the course of telling you those stories I also make public statements that you know is an outright lie because you have had direct interaction with "me" (the story teller) where what "I" revealed to you at that time was exactly NOT what "me" (the story teller) stated publicly.... thus you have first hand experience that "I" (the story teller) is capable of lying... then why should I blindly believe what cannot be proven or easily disproven anyways just because it has yet to be disproven?

Let me say this again directly with specifics.

If I tell you that blog writer X is Joe Blow on April 17, 2015 in person to your face and then two weeks later through a shill Joe Blow is outed yet I claim I didn't have anything to do with their outing and state specifically, "I just found out Joe Blow is X yesterday," is this the kind of lying ability someone should overlook?

Are there acceptable lies?

If I blatantly lie about things where you have caught me lying but also tell you a green three eyed giant lives under my home in 4D where only I can "see" and "communicate" with him, should I or anyone expect you to believe me just because that hasn't been "debunked?"

Does track record, motivation, life circumstances prior to becoming the next internet phenom, etc. mean nothing?

Hey man... I am not trying to come after you personally but these types of statements really blow my mind... they HAVE been debunked. When will everyone wake up?

blufire
18th January 2016, 23:05
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Post removed. . . . . decided to stay out of the mix . . . . .stuff drives me crazier than I already am.

modwiz
18th January 2016, 23:50
The few updates I have bothered to read or watch have been heavy on story and low on detail. Average mind will fall into the 'spell' of an interesting story and forget that real data/information is lacking or low in the content mix. This reliance on story over data makes me uncomfortable with how this is unfolding. The "installments" or updates are more like a TV series storyline with elements of emotional states and some danger. However, even as a script it is weak.

I like both Corey and DW in general and have no problem with them figuring out a business model if there is support for one. People need to take responsibility for those they empower with their attention and funds. Neither DW or Corey would exist without the support of a good sized following. If either of these men can be called frauds then those who call themselves awake and aware while following this are fraudulent in their claims of being awake and aware. It is another genre now, like Hip-Hop or Heavy Metal.

I agree with Bsray or Aragorn, (forget which said it) that Corey has the behavior of someone who is under some kind of mind control. I am far more likely to feel compassion for him than to knock him. When I criticize the updates, it is about the material and not the man. If I put out a song someone thinks is lame, it is about my content and not me. I judge Corey's material as his artistic output and examine the art as a stand alone.

modwiz
18th January 2016, 23:59
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Post removed. . . . . decided to stay out of the mix . . . . .stuff drives me crazier than I already am.

That made me laugh.

Aianawa
19th January 2016, 04:32
Hi Sam, if Corey is proven to be a fraud, DW is completely lost in his credibility scale, completely, this may happen, we will see, I may eat my hat lol, for myself, the world and humanities affairs continue to allusionally shake hands while falling forward lol, maldek mars Earth, Third time luckey lol, IMO to think there is not huge interest in us out there, from goodies as such, is a chuckle, your welcome Sam to message me with more info that may make more sense to me regarding Corey if you are okay with questions in return.

Chester
19th January 2016, 04:51
As far as it goes, I like Corey. I cannot say that about others I met who have played this same game... like "ruler's of worlds" types who literally scare me.

One reason I like Corey is because I really think Corey believes these things... at least far more than another I thought I had gotten close to.

Its hard for me to meet someone and become involved with them in any way where I don't also start to experience a love for the being. My post really was a reaction to the statement that he hasn't been debunked when I saw many evidences that there were serious issues with Corey's story in his story changes alone. Again, this has nothing to do with Corey, it has to do with the fact I fell for things with Corey and with others like Corey and then I read your post and sadly I reacted.

Modwiz is right... something's wrong and only compassion makes sense. I already regret my post as it was not meant to restart the Corey is a liar BS all over again.

I was a fool many times. I think my last foolishness has me cured and this was not with Corey.

Funny thing though is that through the oddest of years imaginable - 2015, guess what I exposed? My own latent tendencies towards unreasonable levels of narcissism, megalomania and the messianic complex (this one I already had identified)... the only other ingredient may be my own little dose of sociopathy. I knew I wasn't good enough (or void of conscience enough) to become an internet phenom so instead I found myself seeking closeness with those who might pull it off. Perhaps I was seeking living the dream vicariously. Anyways... this post is nothing but personal outpouring.

Only upon my death might there be the opportunity to say, "Sam learned."

Aianawa
19th January 2016, 05:09
Rubbish, we all learned, when one goes home, dies, then one will find out how well one has done, rainbow cloaks for all lol

Dreamtimer
19th January 2016, 13:00
Can I have my technicolor dreamcoat now?:getcoat:;)

Chester
19th January 2016, 15:52
Rubbish, we all learned, when one goes home, dies, then one will find out how well one has done, rainbow cloaks for all lol

I meant I will only know upon my grave if I have learned the particular lesson of falling for the stories (especially the things that come forth in one on one dialogues) as if they might be true when they, in reality, are fantasies at best, intentional lies at worst.

Note: I have shown an immense proclivity to fall for these things.

Why?

Many reasons - the hardest ones to face found at the deeper core of my being, but in the outer realm - the primary why I have ended up getting close to these types of beings is all and only that I have sought answers and explanations to the experience I had when i was six years old as posted about here at the other forum -

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44353-My-possible-abduction-experience

When one combines the search for what that experience was about and one encounters other anomalous experiences in the course of their life, one tends to open their mind to much greater possibilities. This makes one ripe and vulnerable for predator types who (knowingly or not) seek the attention of potential followers (energy suppliers).

I could have been one of the former just as easily as finding myself often being the latter. All I can do is something about "me."

Maybe if the supply dries up, the demand will disappear too.


Can I have my technicolor dreamcoat now?:getcoat:;)

YES!

One of the greatest accomplishments of religions and the like is convincing the masses their rewards await them after their life is over.

The elite that know this ploy love this.

Aianawa
19th January 2016, 20:27
To come here, one gets rewarded IMO, Hitler or Jesus, both get cloaks lol.

Chester
20th January 2016, 16:45
To come here, one gets rewarded IMO, Hitler or Jesus, both get cloaks lol.

Hi, note that you make this statement as if it is a fact. To state something as a fact, one must "know" it.

So I ask... and I truly hope you will tell me... How do you know this?

EDIT: this comment was an error based on my failure to see "IMO" in Aianawa's comment.

Aianawa
20th January 2016, 19:07
Filters, feelings and filters, usualllly I would put imo, do not follow opinions.

Chester
20th January 2016, 21:05
Filters, feelings and filters, usualllly I would put imo, do not follow opinions.

Hi Aianawa, I apologize as you clearly wrote IMO and I somehow missed that. True apologies... Sam

Aianawa
21st January 2016, 01:56
Lol, I did not look, I assumed I forgot.

Sam, I have talked with guru's, taken advice, followed some of their teachings, used some of their theories, still practice some of the practises, I feel so so luckey in that my spiritual base was reiki quickly followed by Conversations With God book one, which has a main teaching of everything comes from either love or fear, so I started spiritualllly with my feelings, working on my filters. Some here would say, then why do you get involved with the likes of DW and Corey, DW feels like a mirror for me, mistakes and all, Corey I feel a kinship of the new templates we have nowadays, he is also as rough as guts in many ways and hated because of info ( like DW ) that he has shared, if the data is false, it will be no skin off my nose, I rarely share his material, I share most of DW's. The Kazarian material that was shared on veteran's today site etc probably imo was bought about by DW's sharing of similar info, both have affected the collective mind hugely imo. I am so massively gratefullll to Neil Donald Walsch ( CWG series ) and Eckhart Tolle ( power of now ) for a solid spiritual base, but then the progression to Drunvalo and Jose Arguelles was made easier by it, just like reiki made Qi Gong an easier road to know and practice But then look what my main enjoyment nowadays is, two Guru's Ammabhagavan, golden blessings and Vedic meditations etc and very costly lol.

Aianawa
21st January 2016, 02:28
My apologies Sam, I forgot to accept your apology, I did have a wee dark road when one teacher was feeling the future timeline of financial combustion with nature living coming in quickly afterwards and another teacher saying all is fine, we will downsize to five or so currencies slowly over time, both agreed on the 2012 dec 21 st timeline being xlent and amazing, both came from a love angle but one I felt had a filter, for myself I melded both and felt the five currencies over time, more logical but it took a year to see my own guru, always learning.

Aianawa
22nd January 2016, 11:19
And part of melding those two together was the option that at a later date there may be the potential that a more nature based humanity may indeed not need money and here is that potential being created > http://sitsshow.blogspot.co.il/2016/01/cosmic-disclosure-ubuntu-and-blue.html

Chester
16th March 2016, 17:50
How funny -

Corey "LIVE" at the "unconsciously dead explo"

the scam goes to a new level and...

sets up for the third -

some clown suggests "As a side-note, Corey's story would make for one hell of a movie or series."

This is all staged to line these guy's pockets. And guess what? More power to 'em. Perhaps the masses of humanity need to be brain flucked more and more.

I don't have the heart to post the video (Cobra-ized) but what I quoted was a comment at the very top - folks... wake up - they are screaming at you "Hey STUPID!... waste more of your time and pay me along the way!"

bsbray
16th March 2016, 18:01
The scripted and contrived conversations between Goode and Wilcock are sounding more and more like infomercials.

Dreamtimer
16th March 2016, 18:28
Honestly, I can't listen. Ever since the dice and beer mugs... For me, there's plenty else to focus on. If it does become a movie I'll be amazed. From forum whistleblower to Hollywood...:fpalm:

Joanna
17th March 2016, 06:28
Sam and all, it's about more than just egos and lining pockets.
If CG's story gets turned into a blockbuster movie, it's part of the process of pushing an in my view, completely false and twisted ET Disclosure from the alternative scene into the mainstream consciousness. Sure, there's always profits involved, but be aware of the deeper agenda of attempting to set the space of acceptance of a specific story of ETs (and Inner Earth people and space programmes) into mainstream 'readiness'.
Movies powerfully affect the collective psyche, and it's all preparation for a hijacked/skewed 'disclosure', equally as harmful as the partial, skewed disclosure that is brewing in government circles, it would seem (intended to protect vested interests)....that continues to erase/misrepresent the presence of true higher ETs currently around Earth, and replace them with pseudo-ET Alliances, as a type of masking layer inserted between humanity and our actual star kin, so that humans misidentify with a false representation that has both very darkened entity energies behind it and unpleasant, unscrupulously-used mental technologies (again, in my view).

Of course, this tactic is hardly confined to a single narrative; many conflicting or partially agreeing stories have been seeded into the alternative community/s and mainstream consciousness over recent decades.
However, the CG one (which he may indeed believe to be true) has been managed, telling people they should have faith, on not a scrap of evidence, let alone third party corroborating evidence, all this time...with only artworks to back up his claims...

If the movie rights are sold, it'll come out billed as based on a 'true life story', I would surmise....you know, for a bit of extra realism....

Okay, breathing....and continuing to hold the vision of all the layers of the veils dissolving, asap.... :meditating::sun:

Aianawa
17th March 2016, 08:37
Hi Sam, is this another cycle for you as such, if people wish to believe or follow or be open to CG or DW's belief or align with it, you know have their opinion, it is something for you to get angry about, again ?. Are you just venting for how you feel at present or are you wishing to introduce proof/evidence to prove it is a farce etc ?.

Dreamtimer
17th March 2016, 14:05
Thanks for your observations, Joanna. They're much appreciated.

If a movie came out, I'm not sure how I'd react. Since I've observed what's transpired in this community, I wouldn't be able to 'suspend disbelief' in order to enjoy the entertainment. Perhaps I'll just stick to Star Wars, Star Trek and the Middle Earth saga.:yoda::wiz:

Joanna
18th March 2016, 03:57
Thanks for your observations, Joanna. They're much appreciated.

If a movie came out, I'm not sure how I'd react. Since I've observed what's transpired in this community, I wouldn't be able to 'suspend disbelief' in order to enjoy the entertainment. Perhaps I'll just stick to Star Wars, Star Trek and the Middle Earth saga.:yoda::wiz:

Lol....well, Dreamtimer, since after Esperanto, Quenya (Tolkien's High Elven), closely followed by Star Trek's Klingon, are considered to be the most widely used and spoken artificial languages on Earth, I rest my case about the mass influence of films (and books and TV, obviously)!

*doing Vulcan salute* ;)

Joanna
18th March 2016, 04:15
Aianawa, a little off topic, but re your comment about a moneyless society of the future: "And part of melding those two together was the option that at a later date there may be the potential that a more nature based humanity may indeed not need money and here is that potential being created."

I agree, and from my pov there is not an advanced civilization in the galaxy that uses money. Meanwhile back on Earth, money is not the 'root of all evil'....greed and desire for power (accentuated reactions to fear of annihilation) are the root, and money is a materialized form of exchange of energy that has been used to maintain the control of greed+power. So the first thing that needs to happen, in a transition from money-as-power-over to a civilization based on love, compassion, true sharing and cooperation, money has to be detached from the old control form, and flowed in a way that heals the underlying fear (annihilation/survival), at a mass level...

The focus now of more and more countries on providing a Universal Basic Income, regardless of age, circumstances, employment status etc is a step in this direction toward sharing and cooperation, caring for all unconditionally.
I see your home country New Zealand is looking at this (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/new-zealand-plan-to-give-everyone-a-citizens-wage-and-scrap-benefits-a6932136.html), along with Canada, Finland, France, Switzerland, and already being trialled in Utrecht in the Netherlands.

Aianawa
18th March 2016, 07:10
Okay, what if, lol, this, Earth is indeed a grand experiment of grand proportions, huge, because, what we are going through has happened many, millions ?, of times before, and when the planet and energies, people etc, made it, the money etc greed etc was transmuted etc, and here is the But, the experiments that did not work ( lets say mars and maldek were just two of these failed experiments ), all that karma not transmuted, the imo only way to go about a transmutation is to use the money itself, the greed itself, the Power domination itself, like the rapist being forgiven face to face, the torturer face to face, the Shame face to face etc etc. In truth how it would be done, only god knows but feel we will pick up on things as we go along, if indeed any option and potentials that are always there for us all.

Chester
18th March 2016, 20:26
Hi Sam, is this another cycle for you as such, if people wish to believe or follow or be open to CG or DW's belief or align with it, you know have their opinion, it is something for you to get angry about, again ?. Are you just venting for how you feel at present or are you wishing to introduce proof/evidence to prove it is a farce etc ?.

I have kids and others in my life I call loved ones. It sickens me they have to be exposed to this utter crap. No, I didn't get angry again... I never stopped being outraged. I will continue to post about my outrage as long as clowns like Corey, DW and others continue to lie and lie and lie and all for the worst reasons at the expense of the vulnerable.

My problem is that I care for others. Perhaps that's a bad habit to have on this planet at this time.

Chester
18th March 2016, 20:33
Hi Sam, is this another cycle for you as such, if people wish to believe or follow or be open to CG or DW's belief or align with it, you know have their opinion, it is something for you to get angry about, again ?. Are you just venting for how you feel at present or are you wishing to introduce proof/evidence to prove it is a farce etc ?.

Let me ask you a question. If someone lied to you directly and did so more than once and then they tell you all sorts of fantastical stories which are impossible to prove or disprove either way unless maybe you lock the guy up and observe him 24/7 where even then he will say that when he was asleep he would be pulled out of his body to attend galactic save the day planning meetings... if all you have to go on is track record based on your own, direct personal experience, are you trying to tell me that despite these actual experiences, if you cannot disprove the fantastical stories, you are supposed to automatically believe them?
You are supposed to automatically assume they are even one tiny bit true?

Have you ever heard the expression, "I got some beachfront property in Arizona I am hoping to sell you." Can you prove I don't? Hey... I am talking 4D Arizona by the way. In 4D the beach runs right through Arizona.

Dreamtimer
18th March 2016, 20:34
It's a good habit to care about people, Sam. We need care. Keep on caring. It spreads. :thup:

Joanna
22nd March 2016, 12:45
Okay, what if, lol, this, Earth is indeed a grand experiment of grand proportions, huge, because, what we are going through has happened many, millions ?, of times before, and when the planet and energies, people etc, made it, the money etc greed etc was transmuted etc, and here is the But, the experiments that did not work ( lets say mars and maldek were just two of these failed experiments ), all that karma not transmuted, the imo only way to go about a transmutation is to use the money itself, the greed itself, the Power domination itself, like the rapist being forgiven face to face, the torturer face to face, the Shame face to face etc etc. In truth how it would be done, only god knows but feel we will pick up on things as we go along, if indeed any option and potentials that are always there for us all.

Aianawa, to use the energy of fear (greed/domination=reaction to fear of lack/scarcity/death) itself will not free money from the old survival/competition programme....but compassion/neutrality is indeed necessary, so as not to keep on feeding the dominator/slave programme with either 'pole' of adulation and craving, or judgement and anger.

Now for a lighter moment, regarding Maldek, I mentioned it in a recent blog post which was reblogged on a site in China. I hope the first translation from English into Chinese was closer to the original than the translation of the page back to English (but suspect not)....as Maldek was translated as the Maldives...along with some other hilarious 'lost in translations'.
Some of the translations that still worked are 'chemical exhaust revenge' for chemtrails, and 'avatar forgetful blanket' for 'blanket of amnesia'...both quite accurate.
Names, however, seem to be problematic: Arnap turned into 'A Pu-resistant' and Shem Arua into 'field Semitic spirit'...
'Softly guiding' turned into 'Softly and Pharmacology'...and so forth...

Oh dear. Apart from all the above on this thread, here's another issue - 'mangled in translation'. Heaven only knows what the Chinese readers can make of this.... :scrhd:

Gotta keep laughing in the third dimension. It is just so weird!

Dreamtimer
22nd March 2016, 12:51
Mangled in translation. Wow. And those phrases, 'chemical exhaust revenge' and 'avatar forgetful blanket'. OMG. That's much better than the few german to english translations I tried. Much funnier anyway.

Joanna
22nd March 2016, 13:00
Mangled in translation. Wow. And those phrases, 'chemical exhaust revenge' and 'avatar forgetful blanket'. OMG. That's much better than the few german to english translations I tried. Much funnier anyway.

Yeah, those phrases are definitely keepers. :)

Now to write the galactic history of the Maldives: "Somewhere south of the glorious and far distant constellation of India-of-Five-Million-Gods lies the sparkling cluster of the Maldives, Garland of Islands, perfect for your next interstellar vacation...."

Dreamtimer
22nd March 2016, 13:09
Laughing now. That's so funny. I hope some of these people have friends who speak english. What does the space ship translate as? :ttr:

Joanna
22nd March 2016, 13:11
Laughing now. That's so funny. I hope some of these people have friends who speak english. What does the space ship translate as? :ttr:

Haha, I can hardly bear to look... ;)

Had to though...ah, Chinese must know about spaceships and spacecraft. They translate!
"Surround protect it shocked us a lot galactic spacecraft..."

And I saw Maldek was named as Maldek further on. That is, 'Maldek was exploded' translated as 'Maldek was the named helloworld in.'

*sigh* and :ttr: