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Aianawa
11th June 2016, 23:41
Nice to see how relaxed he is in vid, nice to see more unknown past in the vid before TedX vid also, feel we are about to get more huge history truth info/data as our exciting times continue.

Elen
18th June 2016, 15:28
I am trying to embed this video from Sylvie, if it doesn't work immediately try click on "Watch on Youtube" and see if it works that way.

This is the 1st part of the documentary from Spain. Hope it works for you:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lg2mRtHDoV0&feature=player_embedded

Novusod
18th June 2016, 18:48
I am trying to embed this video from Sylvie, if it doesn't work immediately try click on "Watch on Youtube" and see if it works that way.

This is the 1st part of the documentary from Spain. Hope it works for you:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lg2mRtHDoV0&feature=player_embedded

The video is flagged private so it will never play unless Sylvie gives us a formal invite to watch it. Not sure why she is going this route. It doesn't make sense to make a documentary and then only let a handful of her closest friends watch it.

If you give a synopsis maybe we can continue the conversation about the ancient civilizations of Spain.

modwiz
18th June 2016, 18:55
The video is flagged private so it will never play unless Sylvie gives us a formal invite to watch it. Not sure why she is going this route. It doesn't make sense to make a documentary and then only let a handful of her closest friends watch it.

If you give a synopsis maybe we can continue the conversation about the ancient civilizations of Spain.

It is simple for her. She needs to chage the status of the video from private to unlisted and then links here to it will work. However, outsiders can then grab the link and post it once they have the link.

Elen
19th June 2016, 06:27
Sorry about making the boo boo there...I hadn't finished watching the video so I didn't see the warning about not sharing the video with anybody. I have made a synopsis of the video and hope this will make up for my blunder. :tiphat:


In May 2016 Sylvie was on an expedition with Alexander Koltypin to Spain. Where they discovered signs of ancient history. Out of all it was the ancient vehicle tracks that posed the most interesting questions and she started with Bocairent where the road was, in places cut out of solid bedrock, and in other places paved with large blocks of stones. It gave the appearance of being in the middle of nowhere, but interestingly turned out to that the road was not built like we are used to, as they were built with steps in the older parts. So either it was a pedestrian road or with vehicles that would seem strange to us. In places the steps were eroded away.

Along the road there were many signs of cuts and openings that showed intelligent activity. On cliffs in the distant were rectangular openings to be seen. There were also many vehicle tracks, but outside the road.

The next site was called Los Molinos where there were definite signs of vehicle tracks made when the stones were soft, some of them dug in 3m deep into the bedrock, with squares dug in the middle, like steps and always the same distance from side to side. Officially these are called animal tracks which would be impossible, unless the animals had square feet and the size of an elephant. And there were ruins of buildings that was called "The Castle of Mecca". This went on for kilometres. On the sides of the road there were holes regularly spaced on both sides and many signs of buildings not far away from the road. If indeed they were tyre marks they would range from 10 to 19cm wide in size. There has been suggestions that this would be a channel for water, but Sylvie quickly states that that would be impossible as the tracks were going up and down and therefore not suitable for channelling water. Another significant factor on the road was a great step made with a megalithic stone which would make it unsuitable for vehicles or animals to step up or down on it. Primitive stonework was clearly visible in places, showing that the road has been in use by different cultures throughout the ages. The vehicle tracks are very similar to the ones found on the Phrygian Valley tracks in Turkey as they seem to match perfectly on both locations, and they date at the same time. They are never found on geological layers that date differently, so most probably they belong to the same civilisation. The local Turkish historians and geologists that have been working on the network of underground cities, like Cappadocia, say that they have found clues to a connection with these underground cities and the vehicle tracks. This will also be evident in Spain, which will be shown in the next episodes. Maybe in those days it would be unsafe to be outside without a vehicle.


Here is a video that I put on another thread about Cappadocia in Turkey, it will tie in with what was said on the video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jddMgv_46l8

Elen
20th June 2016, 14:51
I've just been in touch with Sylvie and she said that most videos will be for free in the future only the expedition documentaries will be free for the ones that's helped out, because of the cost that she has to put out traveling to and fro. Anybody who wants to watch the expedition documentaries can do it from this web-site, I know there are people here on the forum that can qualify:

http://www.megaliths.org/ancient_history/spain.php

modwiz
20th June 2016, 20:27
I've just been in touch with Sylvie and she said that most videos will be for free in the future only the expedition documentaries will be free for the ones that's helped out, because of the cost that she has to put out traveling to and fro. Anybody who wants to watch the expedition documentaries can do it from this web-site, I know there are people here on the forum that can qualify:

http://www.megaliths.org/ancient_history/spain.php

I did a show based on her work and Fomenko's concepts. I wonder if that would qualify me.:hmm:

On that subject, I would love to do a show with her. Shelley also loves her work and particularly, her accent, lol.

Elen
21st June 2016, 08:26
I did a show based on her work and Fomenko's concepts. I wonder if that would qualify me.:hmm:

On that subject, I would love to do a show with her. Shelley also loves her work and particularly, her accent, lol.

Then I would just click the link I provided and tell her exactly what you said. :D She is approachable...

Elen
23rd June 2016, 05:56
This short video shows anomalies that are mush older than originally suggested, but it is difficult to date it with accuracy.


While most researchers and scholars around the globe agree that human civilization as we know it only exists some 12,000 years on our planet, there are countless discoveries that point towards a much different past. There are many findings ranging from temples, structures, and artifacts that are evidence of advanced civilizations that inhabited Earth much sooner than mainstream scholars suggest. However, many of these incredible findings have been considered as impossible due to the fact that they alter our written history in every possible way.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knrkUxnqtl0

Elen
27th June 2016, 06:30
How to spot ancient buildings in your area? Sylvie shows her techniques as to how she does it. We can all become explorers of the mostly ignored parts of our history. We all have access to a camera and the ability to send a photo. Spotting these ancient sites is like waking up from a dream or a spell.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8WodCh5_bQ&feature=em-uploademail

Novusod
27th June 2016, 20:18
How to spot ancient buildings in your area? Sylvie shows her techniques as to how she does it. We can all become explorers of the mostly ignored parts of our history. We all have access to a camera and the ability to send a photo. Spotting these ancient sites is like waking up from a dream or a spell.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8WodCh5_bQ&feature=em-uploademail

There is so much stuff out there it is just unbelievable. People just walk all over ancient relics and don't even know it. Then there are relics just buried underneath even older relics. Makes me think that our ancestors were just as careless as we are because they buried relics that would have been ancient even to them. If a man living 2000 years ago threw away something that was 200 years old then to us living in the present that person destroyed a 2200 year old relic. If someone 2200 years ago destroyed or built over something 200 years old then that is 2400 year old relic ruined and so on. That is how history is lost. Some things get preserved and some things don't. What we have to understand is that we are doing this right now. It astounds me the things our society just throws away and discards. Don't they know that the trash they throw away today will be relics in a thousand years. I feel like we are a species just endlessly chasing our own tail, never learning anything, and making the same mistakes over and over again.

We are our own worst enemy. We are the Orouborous of ancient legend.
http://i.imgur.com/oQLFimt.jpg

Just an example of our parasitic culture.
Built in 1929 and demolished in 1963

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8o90jvKRec

Sometimes you don't know what you have until it is gone. That is as true today as it was 1000 years ago. How can we respect the past if we don't respect the present. I feel it is our duty to leave behind preserved current time relics for future generations as it is a responsibility to explore elf castles and megaliths. If we don't do this then future quackademics will continue to rewrite history.

Elen
28th June 2016, 07:02
Sometimes you don't know what you have until it is gone. That is as true today as it was 1000 years ago. How can we respect the past if we don't respect the present. I feel it is our duty to leave behind preserved current time relics for future generations as it is a responsibility to explore elf castles and megaliths. If we don't do this then future quackademics will continue to rewrite history.

So true Novusod!

Novusod
5th July 2016, 03:05
New video from Sylvie: Etruscan expedition.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXcH1FV-i4Q

Again the number of disregarded relics is mind blowing.

Orvieto Temi
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/ab/18/29/ab182931335f0b79f5deb76bd4b3ce80.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/41/7d/b8/417db8ceb3a452dfe158b6b8df6f139c.jpg

Some of this stuff looks like it out of a fairtale or abstract painting. Hard to believes places like this are even real.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/d2/e1/80/d2e1808c40113a6664c8a0f6db4ff8f3.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/d0/ab/6c/d0ab6c70b8bce29ab32e01018b2f3e7c.jpg

Hotel Basiliani
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/c2/1f/05/c21f058c050ee432739328f448c93fc7.jpg

At the end Sylvie was talking about Restaurants. Well some Restaurants in Italy are built right into the ruins of these ancient civilizations.
Example being the Grotta Palazzese. Perhaps the expedition will eat there.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/f4/60/44/f46044f63eca6be4c8e3ea03f5c908e2.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/d6/7f/0e/d67f0e2e11e0ac8609ca518534c65edf.jpg

There is an Italian proverb often told to tourists that goes to the effect "Don't worry about visiting museums the whole country is a museum."

Maggie
15th July 2016, 02:22
Takenouchi Manuscripts


In Japan there are roughly two dozen secret manuscripts originally dating back to the paleolithic era, the age of heroes and gods, that have been handed down by the ruling families for centuries. Rejected by orthodox Japanese scholars and never before translated into English, these documents speak of primeval alphabets, lost languages, forgotten technologies, and the sacred spiritual science. Some even refer to UFOs, Atlantis, and Jesus coming to Japan.

Translating directly from the original Japanese, Avery Morrow explores four of these manuscripts in full as well as reviewing the key stories of the other Golden Age chronicles. In the Kujiki manuscript Morrow uncovers the secret symbolism of a Buddhist saint and the origin of a modern prophecy of apocalypse. In the Hotsuma Tsutaye manuscript he reveals the exploits of a noble tribe who defeated a million-strong army without violence. In the Takenouchi Documents he shows us how the first Japanese emperor came from another world and ruled at a time when Atlantis and Mu still existed. And in the Katakamuna Documents the author unveils the sacred geometries of the universe from the symbolic songs of the 10,000-year-old Ashiya tribe.

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/takenouchi-manuscripts-and-story-humanity-never-told (http://www.ancient-origins.net/human-origins-folklore/takenouchi-manuscripts-and-story-humanity-never-told-001860)


The Hotsuma Tsutaye purports to be the record of a forgotten ancient civilization in Japan written in a sacred indigenous script. A 10,000-line epic poem in an unfamiliar language that resembles ancient Japanese, it presents Japan’s gods and kings of the Heroic Age as real individuals, and its worldview seems to parallel the esoteric teachings of medieval Buddhist sects. It contains long treatises on the origin of the Japanese language as well as an alchemical theory of matter that informs a vegetarian diet guaranteed to cleanse the spirit and lengthen life. Allegedly written in 100 CE, it was passed down from father to son for centuries. Its contents were not revealed to the public until the 19th century, but manuscripts have been found dating back to 1775.

The Takenouchi Documents go beyond the Heroic Age into the deep and forbidden history of the Golden Age. Written in hundreds of different ancient scripts, they place the origins of all the great religions of the world into one single Tradition preserved in Japan. They describe Japan as the source of all true doctrines, including testaments from historical figures like Lao Tzu, Moses, and Jesus, all of whom supposedly came to Japan to study the ancient teachings. Oddly, the Tradition they describe has parallels in certain Western doctrines that were only beginning to come to light in 1928, when it was first unveiled. Takenouchi researchers have identified an ancient airship used by the Japanese emperors, “landing strips” for these ships scattered across the world, and pyramids in the Japanese forests where these ships are claimed to exist today.The Sacred Science of Ancient Japan (https://grahamhancock.com/morrowa1/)
https://grahamhancock.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/MorrowA1-1.jpg


The Katakamuna Documents were supposedly presented to an eccentric scientist and engineer named Narasaki sometime around 1948, when he was doing electrical experiments in the deep mountains of central Japan. The man who gave him the documents said they came from a mountain shrine called Katakamuna, which has never been located. These documents, written in a geometric script that spirals out of the central of the page, make almost no pretense at being the sort of history taught in textbooks. Rather, they form an entirely esoteric text with parahistorical songs acting as the medium of choice to convey a powerful holistic knowledge of incalculable, even perennial age.

Each of these documents has its own unusual backstory and dubious provenance, but they all come with a surprisingly powerful message. Skeptics of this genre may pursue it as an idle curiosity, but the proponents of these documents state, time and time again, that they are important, they are meaningful, and the world would be changed for the better if more people learned about them. Parahistory is not a subject for an afternoon’s entertainment; the future of the world hangs in the balance. If the majority of people knew what was contained in these documents, they say, so much of the uncertainty in our lives could be conquered by the knowledge of our true inheritance. We would have a starting point for mutual understanding of so many different things. If only!

Through parahistory we can perceive a new realm of possibilities. The parahistorians would agree with G. K. Chesterton: “Most possibly we are in Eden still. It is only our eyes that have changed.” The ancient Japan of these texts is a possible Eden, and reading parahistories provides a window into it. As we will see, when we look through these windows we will discover compelling memories of many possible pasts, all of them projecting a hopeful message into the present, but with many complexities and difficulties. The Sacred Science of Ancient Japan (https://grahamhancock.com/morrowa1/)



https://grahamhancock.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/MorrowA1-2.jpg

Joanna
15th July 2016, 03:21
Takenouchi Manuscripts



/takenouchi-manuscripts-and-story-humanity-never-told (http://www.ancient-origins.net/human-origins-folklore/takenouchi-manuscripts-and-story-humanity-never-told-001860)


https://grahamhancock.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/MorrowA1-1.jpg



https://grahamhancock.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/MorrowA1-2.jpg

Very interesting, Maggie, thank you. There still exist the remains of ancient huge step pyramids and other underwater ruins off the coast of Japan, such as at Yonaguni:

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http://www.ancient-origins.net/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/field/image/yonaguni-japan.jpg?itok=2_b8kBzE

[URL="http://www.news.com.au/travel/world-travel/asia/japans-atlantis-the-unsolved-underwater-mystery/news-story/3ef525273aecf8e9774110e961b2f6cd"]Japan's Atlantis? The unsolved underwater mystery (http://www.news.com.au/travel/world-travel/asia/japans-atlantis-the-unsolved-underwater-mystery/news-story/3ef525273aecf8e9774110e961b2f6cd)

Elen
15th July 2016, 07:16
It is interesting that what Avery Morrow called "symbolism" may indeed be actuality. We are connecting dots here, and it's slowly surfacing. Thanks for posting Maggie and Joanna!

Elen
21st July 2016, 14:59
Sylvie has uploaded the last parts of the Spanish documentaries, you'll have to contact her to be able to see them on her website...

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Novusod
15th August 2016, 20:59
New video from Sylvie:

Historical Timeline based on artifacts not quackademics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nvJSlgi3SU

Aianawa
17th August 2016, 00:35
Never tire of feeling the past being unearthed, just finished vid, thanks as always.

Elen
5th September 2016, 07:10
Published on 4 Sep 2016
This is an entirely new episode, not just a revision of the old version.

Here Sylvie is going through the repetitive explanations by the authorities about the Roman architecture found everywhere. Tool marks, stonemasonry and aqueducts all over the ancient sites which is always attributed to the Romans.

Did the Romans invent bikinis? Are we supposed to believe it, or could bikinis be much older than what is visible on the mosaic pictures. The Roman clothing can be proved to be older than the Roman era and is still used in parts of the world today like Russia and India.

Take a look at the Indus Valley complex which is considered older than the Roman where there is clear evidence of a well planned building site with irrigation, streets and organised components. Here people just died in the streets without anybody to bury them and it is a mystery to the "quacademics" who are unable to consider explanations outside their own parameters, ignoring the legends that tell us what really happened.

Further on, our history is re-written, where the original books were "accidentally" burnt while the copies "survived". Joseph Scaliger and Dionysius Petavius, French Jesuit scholars and religious reformists changed our official history in the 16th century. Unfortunately, nothing from the original texts survived the reformation. Most of our official history today is based on the work of these two people. And when the small group of Jesuit monks did the copies it was written in the preface that they were making it fit the new history.


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bsbray
5th September 2016, 17:46
I've been planning a week-long trip to some ancient mound sites in West Virginia and Ohio next month. We'll see if it works out, but if it does, I'm going to take a video camera and take lots of footage of the museum exhibits and mounds themselves and I'll post them here.

Elen
5th September 2016, 18:30
I've been planning a week-long trip to some ancient mound sites in West Virginia and Ohio next month. We'll see if it works out, but if it does, I'm going to take a video camera and take lots of footage of the museum exhibits and mounds themselves and I'll post them here.

I will be looking forward to it!

bsbray
5th September 2016, 23:38
I should say though that I don't think the Mound Builders were around at the same time as the people who were building the giant megalithic stone stuff. I think they made actually be descendants of that culture though, where they occupied around the Gulf States, and there are strong resemblances between the northern Mound Builders (in the Ohio Valley) and the pre-historic mound-building cultures of Europe, especially the mounds in the British Isles. I've been reading books on these mounds for a few months and comparing information, and that's my working hypothesis so far.


These two pictures represent two different kinds of mounds found in the northern half of the US, mostly east of the Mississippi:

http://www.thehillsahead.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/mound-in-moundsville-e1363495120683.jpg

http://www.ancient-origins.net/sites/default/files/field/image/serpent-mound.jpg

The first is a typical conical mound and the second is an effigy mound, apparently of a serpent swallowing an egg, or some think depicting a meteor (a meteor did impact nearby in the historic past). The two types of mounds may represent two different branches or maybe two different cultures entirely, but most effigy mounds are found in Minnesota.

The mounds from the Gulf states, Tennessee, Georgia, and up the Mississippi to St. Louis, are typically truncated and look more like Mexican pyramids, except made out of dirt instead of giant stones. These are very primitively built compared to the megalithic stone structures in Middle and South America, but still appear as though they may be an imitation or predecessor of the megalithic stone structures. I believe the dirt mounds in the US came after the stone megalithic structures, and were built by either the same tribes or descendants of the same tribes that the Europeans encountered. I believe these people were descendants of survivors of a global cataclysm, and the civilization before the cataclysm was the one building the much more sophisticated stone megaliths.

These are typical of the southern truncated mounds:

http://www.federationmsta.org/IMAGES/mound.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2a/Chromesun_kincaid_site_01.jpg

Why didn't the megalith-building civilizations of present-day Peru, Central America and Mexico migrate north and build giant stone pyramids and walls in the US? Because before the cataclysm, when they were thriving, there was an ice age and most of North America was covered glaciers and massive ice sheets. In New York the ice sheet is estimated to have been reached about two miles thick. This is all conventional geology. Then "something" happened and the ice age suddenly ended. And after the ice age is precisely when these people with more primitive technology started appearing in North America and building mounds.

I also believe that all of this occurred much more recently than the 12,000 years ago that geologists cite for the end of the ice age and people like Graham Hancock cite as the time of the epoch-ending disaster. Velikovsky has suggested massive cataclysms as recently as round 2000 - 1500 BC, and all of this stuff starts tying right into Fomenko's work, though Fomenko himself is not a catastrophist.

Aianawa
8th September 2016, 00:28
Published on 4 Sep 2016
This is an entirely new episode, not just a revision of the old version.

Here Sylvie is going through the repetitive explanations by the authorities about the Roman architecture found everywhere. Tool marks, stonemasonry and aqueducts all over the ancient sites which is always attributed to the Romans.

Did the Romans invent bikinis? Are we supposed to believe it, or could bikinis be much older than what is visible on the mosaic pictures. The Roman clothing can be proved to be older than the Roman era and is still used in parts of the world today like Russia and India.

Take a look at the Indus Valley complex which is considered older than the Roman where there is clear evidence of a well planned building site with irrigation, streets and organised components. Here people just died in the streets without anybody to bury them and it is a mystery to the "quacademics" who are unable to consider explanations outside their own parameters, ignoring the legends that tell us what really happened.

Further on, our history is re-written, where the original books were "accidentally" burnt while the copies "survived". Joseph Scaliger and Dionysius Petavius, French Jesuit scholars and religious reformists changed our official history in the 16th century. Unfortunately, nothing from the original texts survived the reformation. Most of our official history today is based on the work of these two people. And when the small group of Jesuit monks did the copies it was written in the preface that they were making it fit the new history.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bk-o42NNQm4&feature=em-uploademail

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Thanks, was xlent and really looking forward to the next one being talked about.

Elen
9th September 2016, 07:17
A thorough analysis of carbon dating and it's validity. There is evidence that the science of carbon dating is at it's best inaccurate, but the worst case scenario shows it to be misleading and that the results can be "doctored" to fit the preconceived idea about our history.

The Reformation Period (1517-1648) changed the ruling elite in different parts of the world, i.e. people without the right to rule were put on the throne. She (Sylvie) questions the historical data that the Roman Catholic Church had unlimited power in those days…

The Empire of the Survivors was destroyed as well as the memory of it. Future documentaries will be about the descendants who remember who they are and who has also kept a great deal of the knowledge that survived.

For those who have watched the old version - no new information as such, only the video / audio quality is improved.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2xUCyi727Y&feature=em-uploademail

Elen
12th September 2016, 08:06
What happens when really ancient books surface here and there? We are so used to the Scaliger version of history that we don't notice them, they are available online in a translated form, but of course have little relevance to the topics of changing history back to it's original timeline.

How about the "Vindolanda Tablets" found in England and the "Oxyrhyndus Papyri" found in Egypt, as well as the Charred Scrolls of Herculaneum?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KmQPcNwDww&feature=em-uploademail

more on the stolen history of the Dacian kings
http://www.romanianhistoryandculture....
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS83X...

and more relevant to the subject at hand links

http://vindolanda.csad.ox.ac.uk
https://archive.org/stream/TheOxyrhyn...
https://books.google.at/books?id=O2mu...
http://news.discovery.com/history/anc...

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Innocent Warrior
12th September 2016, 11:13
Only discovering the awesomeness of this thread now, big thanks. :cool:

Dreamtimer
12th September 2016, 11:14
Yeah. This is some of my favorite stuff.

Elen
13th September 2016, 19:48
Join Sylvie on a tour of Malta for 8 days in December. The details of the itinerary or for booking is here: http://www.megaliths.org/ancient_history/expeditions.php


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsxlbAEclVA&t=609s

modwiz
17th September 2016, 08:05
As some of Sylvie's videos have pointed out, Christianity and Islam not only existed in harmony but, even some synthesis. I saw this photo of the largest mosque in Turkey and saw how its inspiration was the Hagia Sophia in Istanbul/Constantinople. I thought I would post the two for comparison. Turkish mosque , Kocatepe, will be top picture and Hagia Sophia, originally built by Christian Emperor Justinian ll, will be underneath. Minarets are later additions to Hagia Sophia. Maybe.

https://cdn.rt.com/files/2016.09/original/57db9ffcc361887a448b4727.jpg

https://media1.britannica.com/eb-media/88/121388-004-A907A60A.jpg

Maggie
18th September 2016, 02:52
I want to alert us to Jengelen's IMO fascinating post on another thread http://jandeane81.com/threads/9909-New-The-One-Truth-Initiative-The-Alt-Media-Watchdog?p=841957297&viewfull=1#post841957297


Speaking of a truth initiative I think there are several making money off of so called mysteries that are not really mysteries so much anymore. Many recent videos have come forward with other histories including the excellent work of NewEarth video documentation and the very noteworthy work of Gabi Plum (forgive spelling) I love her new films Skeletons in the Cupboard Ep. 1 The Red Haired Peoples and Ep 2 also for that matter but all her work is stunning and well documented and worth watching.

Others? They appear to be simply invested in tour and continuing the mystery even when its well known its solved and we know now who they were, what they did, why its covered over and more.
The simple fact is they hide these long skull finds, especially the ones with red and blond hair because of what these fair skinned, red headed, blond headed, sandy headed or green or blue eyed Hominids did to the round skull peoples of the world, that is to say, the homo sapiens sapiens species was abused and eaten by these cone heads and this is well known among scholars! They ate the round skulls!! Get that??? The long skulls hunted and ate the round skulls!! It is well documented in New Zealand and Australian tales and books and its also quite well known all through the Samoans, the Fiji Isles and Easter Island AKA, Rapa Nui!

Remember that these ones ate human meat. Its believed by many to be perhaps how and where RH negative blood came from! But its not talked about much. Now that its important!!! Why is this not talked about!? Its very simple. Let me explain as its no mystery. Patuko (Pa Two Ko) was knonw as Patuko the Long Skull and he lived on the Island of Putrification AKA the Isle of Death!!! Type in these words and read! Here Be Cannibals on cannibalism in New Zealand and then the same for Cannibalism in the Fiji Islands. Then when you feel like watching real history sit down and make yourself watch Skeletons in the Cupboard The Red Haired People here on youtube!! That will catch you up!

Once digested realize Patuko is a relative of Pakal the Mayan king that they actually found, but never publicly allowed anyone to see or go over the finds! Only those in the inner circle got to see this 9 foot giant with a long skull! And they leaked it and he has red hair, he ate humans, demanded sacrifice and the reason all of the *******s are wrapped up and buried as they are is because they were hunted down and killed off best we can tell by the Polynesians and a famous king of theirs and many many many white scholars think its a bad idea to rehash this and bring it up now! The fact is Black Lives Matter is out of control now we don't need to add this to the mix to give them and others yet more reasons to hate fair skinned red heads or blond haired or blue eyed people!!!

These beings, whatever they were they were different! They knew it, they considered themselves above the round skulls which they hunted for food and referred to as the 'long pig' and they said it tasted sweeter than pig by a lot and they preferred it! This was not just going on with victory over other tribes as it evolved into among tribes that adopted or took on some of their ways because they were hybridized relatives of them living on remote islands. For all anyone knows some of them still reside there and still eat a human now and then but we hope we got them all!

It was not homo sapiens sapiens it was another creature, another hominid, one of many others and it roamed with us here at one time, and it ruled actually related to Pharaohs and you can see that in Aknaeton and other children of his which again were rejected at or about this same time as the other wars among these long skulls and it was said to be a great war! A war fought over many countries that went over the ocean as the ones hunting were relentless until they caught them all and rounded the last of them up at Paracus where they offered up as slaves, prisoners offered to the gods to help in effort to clean up the world!

Some of theese ones were giant stature and had six fingers and toes as reported in the bible also about the Anakim and they are also the same tribe of long heads that were found in and along the Mississippi in the 1800s and 1900s in the USA. While there are differences as apparently one species of long skull went out more to the sides, one other went out the back and one other went up more than back but they are all related to each other! Different tribes is all from various corners of the globe! One in the mountiains of Afghanistan and into the Steppes of Russia and others in the Americas and still more and the majority in the south Pacific and all along Peru and that coast into Mexico. These clans of long skulls clashed with many tribes and ate of them also preferring their first born and they also selected certain few they were trading with and apparently had compatibility with that led to these hybrids that had long skulls but were no taller than 6 foot perhaps a little more!

That is what we know so far and that is just the tip of the iceberg for summary here. They bury these guys because they don't want to stir up more race hatred! End of story sorry for the long post. Anyway, I'd like to seem more forthcoming of the facts as we know them from people I have come to trust and like watching but when they ignore finds they obviously are aware of to instead continue pushing the mystery as if its 'alien' one has to wonder> Nothing alien has been discovered its all terrestrial DNA its just DNA from another species we have never seen. Thanks for reading.

here is a link to the new video from peter Marsh and Gabi Plumm

Skeletons in the Cupboard. Episode 2. Under The Carpet

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I think that the possibility and the frightful context presented by a Long head/ Short head conflict idea is very interesting. It is almost unthinkable yet WE EAT ANIMALS WE CONSIDER LESS "CONSCIOUS". WE have pets in dogs and cats and other creatures but the Chinese and others eat dogs and cats and all animals. Cannibalism still exists in very small amounts but exists.

Cannibalism is IMO a taboo but still exists in many "forms" and the horror of this is fear inducing.
It makes sense that survival imperative shapes "humanity".
The arising of war and flesh eating out of the chaos of world wide catastrophies?.
The thought I have is in the video. Catyclysmic events may have been the breeding ground for "fight for survuval" and the created war, the use of cannibalism, "catastrophobia" as a mental mind set, the rise of sedentary farming, civilization as sets of "citystate" survival enclaves.' make perfect sense for origination of the war to the finish that caused the extinction of a whole different race of hominids (or MANY?)

Elen
26th September 2016, 16:13
There is more to this than just predictions, and I'm willing to look further with Sylvie as to the young Russian Otrok Vyacheslav. As you know, I'm not into predictions of any kind so take what you want from this video. This young man was born into a family that was deeply religious and so his experiences would of course be coloured by it. None the less, there are things to be considered valid amongst the info that is given.

Published on 25 Sep 2016
News from the Russian Alternative History Reserach realms
Recently the leader of LAH Andrey Sklayrov departed for the realms beyond death (all of a sudden). He deserves respect - because of him millions of people in Russia understood that their grandparents were not apes...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuJ2hnEwREY&feature=em-uploademail

Dreamtimer
26th September 2016, 18:12
Vyacheslav is anglicized as Wenceslaus.

It means greater glory.

Novusod
27th September 2016, 05:36
This may be unpopular but I have to disagree 100% with Sylvie on this one. The prophecies of Otrok Vyacheslav just sounds like the ravings of the average "Jesus freak." These doom prophets are a dime a dozen especially of the fundamentalist Christian variety. This line of end times prophecy represents probably a majority opinion of the bible thumpers out there. I always warn people "Don't drink the cool aid." What they are preaching is the complete opposite of real spiritual growth is about.

It all boils down to demiurge worship. The god of calamities and disasters says love and worship the Lord your God OR ELSE. I can't emphasize the or else part enough. The demiurge is the complete opposite of what a real god should be. Love us by destroying us. That is a farce. If you take the "Jesus freak" message and flip it upside down does it not make more sense? God will continue to love all people no matter how many mistakes they make. Or would you rather worship the demiurge who threatens humanity with total destruction for the slightest infractions. I almost see this as a sentience test. Is man smart enough to know who the real god is? Will man worship the Lord God who threatens mankind with destruction or will man look for a higher God of universal love.

ON the subject of the Mark of the beast:

This is the mark of the beast 100% absolute proven. The mark of the beast is your 3rd eye. Hands sprouting from the forehead is simply how ancient Egyptians described the awakening of the 3rd eye, astral projection, and remote viewing. The powers that be (or were) have been doing everything thing they can to keep the 3rd eye of the general population forced shut. Fluoride, chemtrails, vaccines, mercury tooth fillings, toxic GMO foods, and host of other contrived ills all represent a war on the 3rd eye.

http://i.imgur.com/3jGLR5H.jpg

Take the mark of the beast. I already have and so has anyone else who has done remote viewing or astral projection.

Elen
27th September 2016, 08:07
Compliments of Gio for this one, found it on his thread on PA. Thanks Gio!

Cara St. Louis talks about Sylvie Ivanowa, Anatoly Fumenko and the New Chronology. More conformation to the validity of their research giving us a little more "meat on the bone".


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjWFkpuNJ2A

Published on 16 Aug 2016

In the latest episode of The Higherside Chats, Greg Carlwood hosts returning guest Cara St. Louis. On her previous appearance, she outlined the details of the new chronology, the missing time phenomenon, the mind weapon we call the Prussian Education System and the dumbing down it facilitates.

As Cara looked deeper into the narrative of history, missing time and those who question it, she found more than enough meat on those bones and set out on her new venture: a series of episodic titles she calls The Workbook. Join them as they go for the conspiratorial one-two punch of the highest order as we explore Missing time and the New Chronology.

4:00 Greg and Cara begin by giving some context on the New Chronology. Cara details her path of initiation starting with the work of Sylvie' Ivanowa and leading to Russian astronomer and mathematician,Anatoly Fomenko. Cara explains that the timeline used by today's elite, contributes to the justification of things such as wars and the rising of certain dynastic families. Using astronomical events, such as the cycles of the moon, movements of the planets and eclipses, we are able to see the manipulation of humankind's understanding of history.

11:30 Knowing our current timeline may be completely inaccurate, Greg and Cara discuss the ways in which establishments such as the Catholic church were capable of altering the dates of history to fit their desired paradigm. Cara contends Jesuits scholars Scaliger and his contemporary Dionysius Petavias, with the help of Benedictine monks, at the will of the Vatican, and against all history fiction or science rewrote chronology to pre-date the existence of Christianity. Further illustrating her point, Cara also explains that all astronomical evidence dates Jesus' period of existence to Medieval times, which gravely affects our current chronology.

15:00 Digging deeper into the Jesuit's brutal involvement in the Prussian education system, Cara briefly lays out the bullet points and a few keys players from along the way, including Pope Pius X.

24:42 Greg and Cara continue to put a point on the finer details of the key figures involved in altering the timeline. One such contributing character was none other than esteemed mathematician, astronomer and physicist, Isaac Newton.

28:00 Cara makes the case against the flat earth theory by contending that it discredits traditional astronomy.

29:45 Greg and Cara examine the work of Ivanowa involving the decedents of Atlantis whom she refers to as "the Survivors". Known as the keepers of the peace, the Survivors imparted knowledge to the indigenous people who in turn used their culture of oral storytelling to spread this knowledge for generations. Cara details the what she believes to be a critical moment in the lost history, the Battle of Moytura, a literal fairy tale taking place in Ireland.

38:00 Cara continues to detail her path of research for listeners. As a self-identified Faye, Cara believes the Faye exist in a different way. Cara outlines her theory, stating the Faye have been and may still be an extra-terrestrial race, as well as existing intra–dimensionally.
Listen as Cara and Greg discuss the tumultuous relationship between the Faye and Drakos.

46:00 The scope of the human mind is endless. With the recent calls to creative types from CERN, Cara elaborates on the theory they may be attempting to harness the imagination to control and disrupt the morphogenetic field.

51:00 Listen as Cara describes the current landscape of terror, anxiety and fear being used to manipulate, weaken and control the population.

58:40 Greg and Cara continue to trace missing time conspiracy and this alternative history through the rule of Nero in Rome. With disparities in the timeline becoming more evident as we narrow in on details of history, Cara explains the fallacies in our current understanding of history.

modwiz
27th September 2016, 11:51
I have always liked Cara enough to take a listen, here and there. This show was one her at her best, for my interests. I am glad she is leaving subjects like black goo behind her and focusing on subjects that fall under the topic of social engineering. I hope to make social engineering a new meme of interest. Knowing how social engineering has not worked out so well when left to others might propel us into becoming our own architects and engineering ourselves. Sylvie's exposing the rich past we have had gives us some clues to the using of cycles to use moving forward to recapture some of the wisdom of our past. We will circle around again and have an opportunity for a reset.

Cara is really "getting it" and it is obvious to me she is partaking of Sophia's gnosis. Gnosis is heart wisdom and our "real time" connection to Spirit. Organic Spirit not based in books.

Dreamtimer
27th September 2016, 13:49
Excellent, Elen. I like Cara and look forward to this.

Maggie
28th September 2016, 01:13
Love us by destroying us. That is a farce. If you take the "Jesus freak" message and flip it upside down does it not make more sense? God will continue to love all people no matter how many mistakes they make. Or would you rather worship the demiurge who threatens humanity with total destruction for the slightest infractions. I almost see this as a sentience test. Is man smart enough to know who the real god is? Will man worship the Lord God who threatens mankind with destruction or will man look for a higher God of universal love.................

.............Take the mark of the beast. I already have and so has anyone else who has done remote viewing or astral projection.

I appreciate that Sylvie is dedicated to uncovering information. I have not enjoyed some of the interpretations of evidence. It kind of reminds me of the way certain "African" researchers have interpreted the information. For example there are many youtube videos from African researchers like "Brother panic" who take information and then put the information into their belief system. Here Brother Panic distinguishes "source information", "theory", and that all white man's perspective is "writing on "the black man's stuff". I am concerned that many researchers are driven by a need to support their belief system. I am concerned that need to "prove" drives the dedication.

Sylvie of course has every right to have an agenda but I wonder why she moderates so much...disabling comments etc. There is no discussion really.

In the video here, Brother Panic mentions John Anthony West, reporting him as married to the niece of R. A. Schwaller de Lubicz and later cannot deliver the proper name of Laird Scranton, gives really wrong information about Rudolph Steiner ETC> He seems to ascribe everything of "occult knowledge" as the property of the "black man" that the "white man" co-opted.

Of course Brother Panic is just one "youtube" authority promoting his agenda but he has thousands watching. I doubt he would be interested in conversation. Yet, I really appreciate some of what he says. But how to unravel the truth from agenda?????

I am highlighting from 16:43 and later. He rambles and many may not be interested in listening but I think he like others ahs gems in the midst of other less helpful bits....

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Two aspects bother me.

1. The inference from a religious perspective (whatever that may be) as you are describing in example.....

2. The inference of Fomenko (and other modes of "culturalism") that seems like various apologist statements ( as Fomenko makes for for "Mother Russia" not necessarily the country identified as Russia).

Is this possibly a schismatic splintering of belief systems that in general will confuse the possibility of uncovering truth of the survivors?

Elen
28th September 2016, 10:01
I agree with anybody who's brave enough to think for themselves, although it is impossible to agree on every little detail. Gather the "nuggets" as they are there to be found! :h5:

Elen
1st October 2016, 11:31
Shows you how Ayahuasca functions.

While people as obsessed about Shamanism in South America, this Shaman is shedding some light on Shamanism and where it originated, in Scandinavia (where it still is), moving from there into Russia to North America and South America where it evolved into what it is now.

He explains the strength of our own belief system and that nothing can touch you if you do not believe it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHimRo4uz_c&feature=em-u

Here's a chance to tell Sylvie where you'd like the documentaries to go, by taking the surveys here:

https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/NTLSDYN
and
https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/HBKXPKS

Elen
6th October 2016, 09:36
An update on Joseph Scaliger and the suspicious disappearance of the original books, the burning of books in private hands with military style searches. However some maps have survived, but they are published in very low resolution, and the book of Veles, which has been ridiculed by the officials as a forgery, but is a Slavic document that survived the burnings, and therefore could be revealing the real history of the time.

Here's more meat on the bone to show how they did it, how we've been "high jacked" by the parasites. A long list of contemporary scholars that did not agree with the new calendar and new chronology shows you what was really going on. Look it up for yourself.

It's not just the books, but anthropologists have also noticed the similarities across the borders, and continents, in art and architecture.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=214QYY6h4Sc&feature=em-uploademail

Elen
13th October 2016, 03:54
Islam and Christianity, side by side and all the same, according to the artifacts. Coins and Crowns show this, and it is from the same timeline that Scaliger claims they were bitter enemies. A Viking ring has also been found with Arabic writings on it. Who do you believe?

And there is evidence of burning books and artifacts as recent as the bombing of Syria in 2013, an actual footage shows this.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfqSyFG3fMY&list=TL-Is6pEBbKZIxMjEwMjAxNg

Maggie
13th October 2016, 19:25
Here is an interesting book!

We Are Not the First: Riddles of Ancient Science Paperback – 1973 by Andrew Tomas (http://www.unicusmagazine.com/PDF/tomas_andrew_-_we_are_not_the_first.pdf)


ANDREW TOMAS: Australian UFO pioneer
(1906-2001) (http://www.auforn.com/Bill_Chalker_7.htm)

Andrew’s wife Heather supplied the following biographical sketch:

Andrew was born in St. Petersburg, Russia, on June 23 1906.* In 1911 the family moved to Helsinki, Finland where his father had a position as civil engineer in the Ministry of the Army and Navy.

In 1912 Andrew’s father announced they were moving to Vladivostok, clear over on the other side of Russia as he had been promoted to State controller. The trans-Siberian rail trip took 10 days because of the vastness of the country and Andrew remembered it very clearly though he was only 6 years old.

Andrew’s early school years were in Vladivostok. The family planned to move back to St Petersburg in 1917 when his father retired, with intention of pursuing architecture to supplement his pension. But Czar Nicholas was forced to abdicate when the revolution broke out. In 1922, there were 70,0000 Japanese soldiers in Vladivostok because of the civil war, but they were planning on pulling out & the Red Army was on their doorstep just waiting for their departure. So the situation became very grave for all former czarist government officials and officers, especially for those who participated in the white army.

Andrew’s father was offered a transfer to Harbin, Manchuria. In 1923, Andrew went to school at an English Methodist Missionary School there and learned typing, English and other skills, as did thousands of Russian refugees who had to find jobs. There were 35,000 Russians and other foreigners and ten times as many Chinese in Harbin. In 1924, the family moved to Shanghai after Andrew, who was now 18 years old, graduated from high school.

Andrew lived in China for 21 years, including the time of the Japanese Occupation during World war 11. During this period, he came to the United States in 1927 to 1931. The stock market crash influenced his return to China where he remained until 1948, at which time he flew to Australia because Mao Tse-Tung was on the march from the north heading for Shanghai. During his 20 years in Australia, he manages to circle the continent from Sydney to Brisbane, Melbourne, Adelaide, Perth and Darwin.

While his home was in Australia he travelled to India in 1956 from the South to the North, heading for the Himalayas and was the 1st of 3 trips, which he repeated in 1966 & 1976 at which time he had a private meeting with the Dalai Llama and was also doing research for his book “Shambhala: Oasis of Light”. In 1966 he also travelled to Egypt and England and moved to Paris in 1966, lived in London for a while, wrote a book in Portugal and wrote another book in Italy and Yugoslavia.

He met Heather in 1975 in Zurich, Switzerland at a conference and 1976 moved to Frankfurt, Germany where she worked for the American Military Army. They were married in Copenhagen, Denmark 25 years ago and resided in Frankfurt until April 10th, 1977, when they flew over the pole to Seattle and then to Chico on the 11th and 108º Temperature, which was quite a shock because it had been snowing in Frankfurt and Seattle!! The move to Chico was influenced by Chico State College and being able to do research in its library.

Andrew and Heather visited South America for a month in 1977, visiting archaeological sites in Brazil, Bolivia and Peru. Andrew was an author for 35 years for a total of seven published books (and several that were not published). His published books are “We are not the First”, “On the Shores of Endless Worlds” “Beyond the Time Barrier”, “The home of the Gods”, “Mirage of the Ages”, “Shambhala: Oasis of Light” and were published in a total of 60 countries.

He was a 32º member and past master of the Shanghai Masonic Lodge 1948 and a Scottish rite officer. He transferred his membership to Australia. Andrew could speak and write French, Russian and English fluently and spoke a little Italian. He enjoyed Ancient History, Palaeontology, Archaeology, Astronomy and travelling; and he loved all of their dog’s cats and birds immensely. Andrew is survived by his wife Heather and two stepsons, Stanley Brooks Hill and Rodney Allen Hill and three grandchildren Brooks, Sean and Olivia.

“Saucers have been known in the East for thousands of years. Their present appearance in mass has been foretold long, long ago. They are only an effect, not the cause, and the cause is the great struggle between the Forces of Good, of Culture, of Enlightenment - and of Evil, of Hate, and Darkness”.
- Andrew Tomas (1957)


We Are Not the First: Riddles of Ancient Science (amazon review)
Science is Ancient ... not new! This is a realization only made broadly accessible in the last few hundred years, with discoveries in both archaeology and other sciences. Really, though, this is "The Mystery" behind so many others - mythic, religious or otherwise. Most other books in the genre engage in a lot of speculation, trying unsuccessfully to identify specific cultures / societies at work behind these ancient mysteries... Atlantis, Mu, Lemuria etc. Tomas' breakthrough is simply to stick to the many many many facts proving that science is, indeed, probably older than religion. He lets the facts speak for themselves, without overreaching, and in doing so makes a HUGE contribution to the emergent process of reclaiming our lost heritage - in fact, not just in literature.

Maggie
16th October 2016, 02:37
After reading about artifacts of similar symbols such as seen in Klaus Dona's presentations, I have been wondering if and when the "Rosetta stone" for their symbols might appear? Perhaps Professor Kurt Schildmann (1909-2005) did decipher them?




Paleo-Sanskrit Gylphs of the Great Pyramid Translated (http://www.human-resonance.org/paleo-sanskrit.html)

by Alex Putney for Human-Resonance.org
October 4, 2013

The preeminent work of one of the world's most accomplished linguists, Professor Kurt Schildmann (1909-2005) has disappeared from publication despite his profound completion of the greatest challenge faced in the study of Paleolithic culture worldwide.

During his decades of travels and epigraphic research Schildmann was continually confronted with profoundly disturbing statements among the Illinois Cave archive's Paleo-Sanskrit texts, which repeatedly referred to those strange and prevalent phenomena involving unidentified circular spacecraft, 'alien' abduction, livestock mutilation and deep subterranean bases.

Professor Schildmann's dedication to the translation of ancient hieroglyphic languages culminated in his 1994 recognition of the phonetic structure of Paleo-Sanskrit from the Indus Valley texts, a breakthrough enabling his definitive decipherment of the Indus Valley script, and by extension to the decipherment of the scripts of the Illinois cave archive and Tayos Cave, Ecuador.



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Archaeological Site Near The Village Of Tartaria, Romania

.......in 1961, archaeologist Nicholas Vlassa, initiated an archaeological site near the village of Tartaria, in Romania, in an area known for the frequency with which ancient remains of pottery and artifacts were coming to the surface, leaving the impression that they were grown there.

In Tartaria he found small stones with a writing older than 7000 years. They are a millennium older than Sumerian writings. Radiocarbon dating conducted by the American scientist Marija Gimbutas (who settled the Carpathian tablets are over a millennium older than those from Sumer), were confirmed in 1972 by the Bulgarian academician Vladimir I. Georgiev. http://hubpages.com/education/romaniansphinx


Klaus Dona (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/esp_ciencia_life48.htm) reports

The translation of Professor Kurt Schildmann, who was the President of the German Linguistic Association and he was perfect in more than forty languages… he was able to translate this writing. He called it pre-Sanskrit because it is older than the oldest writing.

The translation of these four letters you can see here,

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_ciencia/life48_11_small.jpg

his translation is:
"The son of the creator comes."
We've found the same writing on stones in certain countries like Ecuador, Colombia, Illinois (United States); Glozel, France; Malta in the Mediterranean; Turkmenistan, Australia, and in Southern Calabria, Italy just a few years ago.

Always there are stones and ceramics - terracotta - with the same writing.

That means this writing existed once worldwide, and that means there must have been a global civilization older than Sanskrit, older than 6,000 years.

Professor Schildmann also told me that this writing has a little similarity to the Indus writing and also to the Easter Island writing. As he said, this is older than Sanskrit.

He called this writing pre-Sanskrit.

Alex Putney has written a book about the subject here:
http://www.human-resonance.org/Sanskrit.pdf

The ability to decipher the pre-sanskrit symbols apparently reveals information about the function of the pyramid technology of Atlantis.


Resonance in Paleo-Sanskrit Inscriptions on the Great Pyramid (http://www.human-resonance.org/paleo-sanskrit.html)

In many parts of the world, archeologists are uncovering this archaic form of Sanskrit now recognized as a precursor to all known languages in every region where they are found. Integration of these most ancient antediluvian texts into the established history of post-cataclysmic cultures enables, for the first time, an accurate recounting of the disrupted condition of planetary resonance as directly identified by Atlantean authors. These rare texts form the basis for a new psychoacoustic interpretation of their works.

This revolutionary prospect of translating the Paleo-Sanskrit writings of the Atlantean culture is inspiring a new generation of linguists and epigraphers of hieroglyphic languages, bringing fresh perspectives that resolve many centuries-old misconceptions concerning their highly advanced scientific knowledge and according geoengineering capabilities that focused the heartbeat of the Earth for human consciousness.

In many parts of the world, archeologists are uncovering this archaic form of Sanskrit now recognized as a precursor to all known languages in every region where they are found. Integration of these most ancient antediluvian texts into the established history of post-cataclysmic cultures enables, for the first time, an accurate recounting of the disrupted condition of planetary resonance as directly identified by Atlantean authors. These rare texts form the basis for a new psychoacoustic interpretation of their works.

Advanced explanations of the divine cyclical influence of the various planets on human consciousness cannot be properly understood without an advanced knowledge of the physics of infrasound standing waves and the function of the Great Pyramid. Complete knowledge of the physics of acoustic resonance required for the comprehension of Atlantean texts was still possessed by the many learned Kings of descendent cultures, as exemplified by the claim of Assyrian King Ashurbanipal inscribed on clay tablets: "I understand the enigmatic writings on the stone tablets from before the Deluge."

'The Deluge' is perhaps a more accurate term for 'The Great Flood' that was documented in the Biblical story concerning Noah's Ark. Astounding physical evidence for this Great Deluge has been uncovered in many parts of the world, but none more exceptional than the actual physical remains of Noah's Ark itself, discovered largely intact on a mountain ridge near Mt. Ararat, in present day Turkey. Several extremely large anchor stones with ancient inscriptions support local knowledge of those events that has been maintained by villagers in those areas where the anchors have lain largely undisturbed for millennia.

Modern scientific evidence for the Deluge has been confirmed in the form of multiple meteorite impacts approximately 12,800 years ago, causing a critical overload of the global Atlantean pyramid network and thereby lowering the entire electromagnetic field of Earth and generating torrential downpours worldwide that raised sea levels drastically and began the era known as the Holocene. The Deluge has also been linked with the global distribution of impact spherules resulting from meteoric bombardment.

Paleo-Sanskrit texts from this remote era reflect the heavy laments of a culture in dissolution due to the "diminished state of granting from the deities", now understood as referencing the measurable reduction of infrasound resonance of the planets of our solar system after the meteoric catastrophe. The intensity level of the planet's infrasonic gravity field not only influences fundamental biorhythms, and thus the consciousness of all living beings on the planet, but this field even determines the quantum fixation of atomic decay properties of all the atoms comprising the planet and all its lifeforms.

A critical diminution of the 33 resonances of planetary infrasound resonance reduces the amount of atmospheric water vapor that can be suspended aloft, causing drastic sea level rise and torrential rains for a period of many months. Sea levels began their rapid rise as the skies blackened with debris and the Atlantic Ocean swallowed an entire continent, leaving boiling waters in its submersive wake.

http://www.human-resonance.org/paleo-sanskrit4.jpg

Casing stones stripped from the faces of the Giza pyramids attest to the destructive wave action that once reach a height of 178m above the current sea level. This surprising fact is further reinforced by the presence of a quite noticeable and well documented layer of sea shells deposited up to great heights on the pyramids and indeed throughout the entire Giza plateau (above). Direct accounts of the resulting state of planetary dissonance from Atlantean survivors themselves constitutes remarkable evidence.

Above the main entrance of the Great Pyramid, four massive relieving stones divert the immense weight piled above the entry passage. Linear geometric patterns formed by joints in the stonework reference the Paleo-Sanskrit glyphs 'kar-as kar-as', meaning 'workings, workings', while the triangular cavity below the giant blocks corresponds to the glyph for 'upama', meaning 'the highest' (below).

http://www.human-resonance.org/paleo-sanskrit5.jpg

These bold geometric architectural features together present a votive passage that was used at aligned sacred sites throughout the world to signify the deep infrasonic resonance of the pyramid structures that powered the global Atlantean civilization. The glyphs embedded in the Great Pyramid's entry façade read:
kar-as kar-as upama
Workings, workings of the highest

This hieroglyphic interpretation of the entry façade is firmly supported by the serial repetition of this phrase in the same vertical glyph series at multiple Atlantean sites around the world, including inscriptions on artifacts from Illinois, US; Caria, Italy; and at the Visoko pyramid in Bosnia. The remarkable consistency of Atlantean Paleo-Sanskrit writings from all continents of the world is only now being recognized.

http://www.human-resonance.org/paleo-sanskrit6.jpg

Sheltered in the intimate triangular niche below the giant relieving stones is a roughly chiseled altar that resembles a small throne (above). The piezoelectric throne's narrow seat is engraved with several Paleo-Sanskrit glyphs that constitute the oldest intact inscription yet identified on the Giza plateau. While the accumulated graffiti of many ages covers most surfaces within the small niche, including the back wall and angled ceiling, the recessed seat has protected the ancient engraved markings for thousands of years. A dark brown patina that was gradually deposited on the stone over the millennia has not been disturbed.

http://www.human-resonance.org/paleo-sanskrit7.jpg

Amateur researchers have made note of the fact that the Great Pyramid niche inscription bares a close resemblance to glyphs embossed on metal debris from the 1947 Roswell, New Mexico vimana disc crash. The Roswell debris texts were first translated by this author in 2007 by applying the Schildmann cipher, yet the Great Pyramid inscription translation is presented here, for the first time.

Amateur and professional epigraphers working without any knowledge of Schildmann's findings have struggled to identify and translate this enigmatic ancient text, yet the careful application of Schildmann's decipherment reflects a profound Vedic bioenergetic science at the heart of the pyramid's prime function. The horizontal row of four glyphs reads from left to right, with the last glyph presenting a combination of two signs that overlap to form a ligature. [Ligatures are separated for clarity in all of the translations.

http://www.human-resonance.org/paleo-sanskrit8.jpg

This short statement comprises a concise explanation of the main infrasonic function of the Great Pyramid --global infrasonic synchronization of the collective human consciousness, thereby endowing feminine forces: vi Sani raua ra Yoni --"From masculine force, thundering, granting feminine."

Given in simpler terms maintained among Chinese traditions of bioenergetic medicine that would be more easily understood in the present day, the phrase essentially reads: "From Yang, thundering, granting Yin". Yin is the feminine or maternal energy associated with the natural process of biorhythmic synchronization between mother and infant during the period of fetal gestation due to the alignment of the mother's heart with the root chakra of the fetus, which is normally inverted within the womb.

The 'thundering' ultra-low frequency planetary resonance is focused by the three pyramids of the Giza plateau into a precise global mandala pattern that coordinates consciousness at sacred sites worldwide. Infrasound enables direct telepathic communication by tri-thalamic entrainment, linking the pineal gland rhythms of human beings in sacred alignment with what were later referred to as 'The Holy Streams'. http://www.human-resonance.org/paleo-sanskrit.html

bsbray
16th October 2016, 03:36
Islam and Christianity, side by side and all the same, according to the artifacts. Coins and Crowns show this, and it is from the same timeline that Scaliger claims they were bitter enemies. A Viking ring has also been found with Arabic writings on it. Who do you believe?

In that video Sylvie seems to have trouble defining this "Islamo-Christian" religion, describing them as two separate religions that just got along with each other. There is a tradition in religious studies, comparative religion and comparative mythology, that recognizes the pagan roots of all of the Abrahamic religions. They were divided later, but were all at some point a form of religion that is generally called sun-worship but was a lot more complicated than that. There was a whole religious system that we've almost totally lost, that gave people back then a completely different way of experiencing reality. That doesn't necessarily mean it was better, but it was different anyway.

The documentary "Zeitgeist" that was going around a few years ago talks about the astrotheological aspects of Christianity and how it's basically a pagan religion that's been spun around and reinterpreted by medieval authorities for political reasons.

Maggie
18th October 2016, 01:05
James Swagger talks about Megaliths and the Acoustic Connection. Megaliths, acoustics and astronomy are always key signatures of the ancient global technology.

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Modern infrasound levitation

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Apparently Infrasound levitation was observed in Tibet in 1939


Monastery construction, Tibetan style
according to Swedish Designer Henry Kjellson (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/antigravityworldgrid/ciencia_antigravityworldgrid08.htm)

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/antigravityworldgrid/images/antigravitywg106.gif

The steep mountain side is on the right. In the centre is the stone block, and on the left are the priests and musicians. S=big drum, M=medium drum, T=trumpeter. Inset shows method of suspending drum, and gives an idea of its size. As shown here, Kjellson says, the 200 priests are waiting to take up their positions in straight lines of 8 or 10 behind the instruments, 'like spokes in a wheel.' Unlikely as it may seem, this operation has an intriguing precision, made slightly more so by Kjellson's meticulously detailed description.

Tibetan Monks levitate stones by using an acoustic levitation technique with the aid of drams in this 1939 sketch by Swedish aircraft designer Henry Kjellson.

A New Zealand scientist recently gave me an intriguing extract from an article published in a German magazine, relating to a demonstration of levitation in Tibet. After obtaining a translation by a German journalist, in English, I was amazed at the information contained in the story, and was surprised that the article had slipped through the suppression net which tends to keep such knowledge from leaking out to the public.

All the similar types of stories that I had read up until now were generally devoid of specific information necessary to prove the veracity of the account. In this case a full set of geometric measurements were taken, and I discovered, to my great delight, that when they were converted into their equivalent geodetic measures, relating to grid harmonics the values gave a direct association with those in the unified harmonic equations published in my earlier works.

The following extracts are translations taken from the German article: 'We know from the priests of the far east that they were able to lift heavy boulders up high mountains with the help of groups of various sounds... the knowledge of the various vibrations in the audio range demonstrates to a scientist of physics that a vibrating and condensed sound field can nullify the power of gravitation. Swedish engineer Olaf Alexanderson wrote about this phenomenon in the publication. Implosion No. 13.

The following report is based on observations which were made only 20 years ago in Tibet. I have this report from civil engineer and flight manager, Henry Kjelson, a friend of mine. He later on included this report in his book, The Lost Techniques. This is his report:

A Swedish doctor, Dr Jarl, a friend of Kjelsons, studied at Oxford. During those times he became friends with a young Tibetan student. A couple of years later, it was 1939, Dr Jarl made a journey to Egypt for the English Scientific Society. There he was seen by a messenger of his Tibetan friend, and urgently requested to come to Tibet to treat a high Lama.

After Dr Jarl got the leave he followed the messenger and arrived after a long journey by plane and Yak caravans, at the monastery, where the old Lama and his friend who was now holding a high position were now living.

Dr Jarl stayed there for some time, and because of his friendship with the Tibetans he learned a lot of things that other foreigners had no chance to hear about, or observe.

One day his friend took him to a place in the neighborhood of the monastery and showed him a sloping meadow which was surrounded in the north west by high cliffs. In one of the rock walls, at a height of about 250 meters was a big hole which looked like the entrance to a cave. In front of this hole there was a platform on which the monks were building a rock wall. The only access to this platform was from the top of the cliff and the monks lowered themselves down with the help of ropes.

In the middle of the meadow, about 250 meters from the cliff, was a polished slab of rock with a bowl like cavity in the centre. The bowl had a diameter of one meter and a depth of 15 centimeters. A block of stone was maneuvered into this cavity by Yak oxen. The block was one meter wide and one and one-half meters long. Then 19 musical instruments were set in an arc of 90 degrees at a distance of 63 meters from the stone slab. The radius of 63 meters was measured out accurately. The musical instruments consisted of 13 drums and six trumpets. (Ragdons).

Eight drums had a cross-section of one meter, and a length of one and one-half meters. Four drums were medium size with a cross-section of 0.7 meter and a length of one meter. The only small drum had a cross-section of 0.2 meters and a length of 0.3 meters. All the trumpets were the same size. They had a length of 3.12 meters and an opening of 0.3 meters. The big drums and all the trumpets were fixed on mounts which could be adjusted with staffs in the direction of the slab of stone.

The big drums were made of 3mm thick sheet iron, and had a weight of 150 kg. They were built in five sections. All the drums were open at one end, while the other end had a bottom of metal, on which the monks beat with big leather clubs. Behind each instrument was a row of monks. The situation is demonstrated in the following diagram:

When the stone was in position the monk behind the small drum gave a signal to start the concert. The small drum had a very sharp sound, and could be heard even with the other instruments making a terrible din. All the monks were singing and chanting a prayer, slowly increasing the tempo of this unbelievable noise. During the first four minutes nothing happened, then as the speed of the drumming, and the noise, increased, the big stone block started to rock and sway, and suddenly it took off into the air with an increasing speed in the direction of the platform in front of the cave hole 250 meters high. After three minutes of ascent it landed on the platform.

Continuously they brought new blocks to the meadow, and the monks using this method, transported 5 to 6 blocks per hour on a parabolic flight track approximately 500 meters long and 250 meters high. From time to time a stone split, and the monks moved the split stones away. Quite an unbelievable task.

Dr Jarl knew about the hurling of the stones. Tibetan experts like Linaver, Spalding and Hue had spoken about it, but they had never seen it. So Dr Jarl was the first foreigner who had the opportunity to see this remarkable spectacle. Because he had the opinion in the beginning that he was the victim of mass-psychosis he made two films of the incident. The films showed exactly the same things that he had witnessed.

The English Society for which Dr Jarl was working confiscated the two films and declared them classified. They will not be released until 1990. This action is rather hard to explain, or understand. : End of trans."

The fact that the films were immediately classified is not very hard to understand once the given measurements are transposed into their geometric equivalents. It then becomes evident that the monks in Tibet are fully conversant with the laws governing the structure of matter, which the scientists in the modern day western world are now frantically exploring. It appears, from the calculations, that the prayers being chanted by the monks did not have any direct bearing on the fact that the stones were levitated from the ground.

The reaction was not initiated by the religious fervor of the group, but by the superior scientific knowledge held by the high priests. The secret is in the geometric placement of the musical instruments in relation to the stones to be levitated, and the harmonic tuning of the drums and trumpets. The combined loud chanting of the priests, using their voices at a certain pitch and rhythm most probably adds to the combined effect, but the subject matter of the chant, 1 believe, would be of no consequence.

The sound waves being generated by the combination were directed in such a way that an anti-gravitational effect was created at the centre of focus (position of the stones) and around the periphery, or the arc, of a third of a circle through which the stones moved.

You can hear the deep sonorous quality even on youtube

Young monks play Tibetan Dungchen at Tikse gompa

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Dungchen | The powerful magic of LOW Sounds ! Scientific Doku

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Bucegi Mountains, Romania - August 6, 2016: Group of Romanian female tulnic players

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Also called the Alphorn

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Traditional way of making a Didgeridoo
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Didgeridoo Sound Vibration Levitation
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sandy
18th October 2016, 02:07
I think the crop circles are made through sound vibrations....:eyebrows:

Elen
18th October 2016, 10:07
I think the crop circles are made through sound vibrations....:eyebrows:

Good point Sandy, and another excellent post by Maggie. :thup::cool:

Maggie
20th October 2016, 03:55
Good point Sandy, and another excellent post by Maggie. :thup::cool:
Thanks Elen.....
My dearest wish is that all the researchers I love be in a room together sharing the same conversation.....

Sandy,
Do you have any experience with crop circles or the sound vibration source info?

This is my latest discovery of researcher Vladimir KovalSky (http://8916898.blogspot.com/.)
He has so many interesting blog entries that ended in 2014. I wonder why? I am not on facebook...maybe he is now using that vehicle for sharing his research.

Here is a link to one blog post and OM (oh my) the others are great also.


The Star Gate of Sri Lanka
THE STAR GATE OF SRI LANKA - SAKWALA CHAKRAYA MIGHT BE A KEY TO GLOBAL SYSTEM OF "SCIROCCO" INFRASOUND VIBROACOUSTIC BROADCASTING INTERFACES. (http://8916898.blogspot.com/2013/10/the-star-gate-of-sri-lanka.html)

Introduction.

There is an amazing and unexplained artifact of an ancient civilization of Sri Lanka carved on the rock in Ranmasu Uyana (Gold Fish Park), which is located in the ancient city of Anuradhapura. This artifact is called Sakwala Chakraya, also known as The Star Gate of Sri Lanka. It is sandwiched between the Thissa Wewa reservoir and the Isurumuniya Rock Temple. All of them are forming the pleasure garden of the ancient Sri Lanka royals, full of secrets still unexplained by modern knowledge. It is possibly one of the most hidden mysteries of Human civilization.
The goal of this article is attempt to solve a riddle of Sakwala Chakraya.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-WvPdoyQVfOI/UlkxXnMSc6I/AAAAAAAACMo/YDXSSh5BWkM/s400/sakwala.gif

sandy
20th October 2016, 04:39
Hi Maggie,

No I don't have any crop circle experience but have researched studies and work from past and present sources regarding sound vibrations and frequencies. It just makes sense to me how grasses, grains, etc can be bent without real injury, quickly and unseen when it comes to crop circles.

I will check out your sources given time. Thanks :tiphat:

I have a possible move in the near future (selling my little sanctuary and just waiting for confirmation of sale) Will move from a rural setting back into urbanville ...........Yech! ............but one must do what one must do. :) Adventure and mystery in going with the flow. Lots of work ahead and most of all working to stay present and grounded as myself and the world experience chaos!! :fpalm:

Elen
22nd October 2016, 07:05
We know the saying: "What The Romans Did For Us", but here we see what the Romans didn't do at home. The trace of the ancients are all over the place and in this case it is assigned to the Etruscans. The thousands and thousands of kilometers of open tunnel like roads (at depth of at least 10 meters) are carved into the bedrock and no or little excavation has been done, in some cases things have been covered over again.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HL0XA1uVVU&feature=em-uploademail

Elen
28th October 2016, 06:37
More Rock-cut ruins and vehicle tracks, many of which are still in use, as Sylvie discovered in Italy. The Roads are being covered with asphalt and the dwellings made into Restaurants and Garages etc.

Turkey has an area of approximately 1000 square km of vehicle tracks, next to an underground city of Derinkuyu, and there were Foot Prints in the mix.

The words History has been interchanged with the word Mystery to make it fit the official story.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jWSfjwcTjs&feature=em-uploademail

Novusod
28th October 2016, 22:32
I did some research on this weird face because it really looked interesting.

According to the official history it was carved by a single man in the 1500s termed the mad artist of Bomarzo. This sculpture is called the "Orcus mouth" and is the most well known at the park of monsters.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/12/06/c5/1206c50f1956e95c9c098ffb458c05ab.jpg
Another sculpture supposedly by the same artist.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/1a/df/eb/1adfeb17a8d800e1ced4a833853a8739.jpg

Who knows if the story is really true. They could be much older.

The artist's workshop is much better condition than his statues. Just eye balling it the statues and the workshop appear to be from different time periods. Perhaps he found the statues and passed them off as his own creations? It is hard to say how the lie was concocted. But this explains why the Medieval statues are more cared for while the more interesting sculptures are just left around to rot.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/6d/e1/5e/6de15e0b6478b7786bd4eb1d0198c095.jpg

Elen
10th November 2016, 07:27
Here Sylvie shows the jokes the official history portrays us of the ancient ruins. The Romans have built everything, besides the Etruscans. Mix mash of dating and location that is wrongly interpreted by the unknowing bystanders, because official history says so.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrqmH1YLlDk&feature=em-uploademail

Novusod
10th November 2016, 08:13
Here Sylvie shows the jokes the official history portrays us of the ancient ruins. The Romans have built everything, besides the Etruscans. Mix mash of dating and location that is wrongly interpreted by the unknowing bystanders, because official history says so.


I like the counter theory proposed at the end of the video. The older ruins are not more primitive, just more decayed due to the passage of time which has worn away the fine details. The older the ruin the more decayed it is which gives the false impression the people of the past were more primitive than us. Progress is just an illusion in our minds constructed by propagandists we call historians.

Elen
10th November 2016, 08:26
Spot on Novusod! ;)

Elen
13th November 2016, 16:19
Thank you Gio for posting this interview with Thomas Sheridan, he is doing really valuable work digging for our ancestors, it really belongs on this thread too as an addendum to NewEarth and Sylvie.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kttXCOrn30E

Elen
13th November 2016, 17:13
Published on 12 Nov 2016

Thomas Sheridan discusses his book The Druid Code: Magic, Megaliths and Mythology. The Druid Code sets out to examine the wider concept of magic and mythology being utilised as an early form of social psychoanalysis by the druids, how magic theory developed from this, and how this evolution of ritual magic eventually made its way into Folklore, Witchcraft and Freemasonry. From the proto-shamanic world of the megalith builders, to lost civilisations of the Atlantic fringe, along with the continual changes and challenges to the human experience in the face of traumatic cultural upheaval, the druids and their legacy have played a far more influential role than has been previously acknowledged. The Druid Code utilises mythology connected to sacred sites, developing a bidirectional conduit back through time, to reveal what took place in 2500BC – a shift in human consciousness that made humans what we are today. Issues discussed include:

The decline of Christianity in Europe.

The universal myths and legends of global disasters in the ancient past, and the lost Golden Age.

The nature of our ancestors' consciousness and how it differed from ours.

Resistance to evidence which dates ancient sites as much older than currently accepted.

Transhumanism, technocracy, and the struggle to shape the future.

More ancient, less primitive: Will rejection of science as the only way to understand reality birth a new era of magical, mythical human consciousness?

From Atlantis to alchemy, you will never see history in the same way again.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0hBBW2qW08

Novusod
19th November 2016, 23:20
Sylvie appears as a guest on the James McCanney science show to discuss the new chronology and hidden history.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24J_deWTTfU

Sylvie explains why she started making these documentaries on lost civilizations. She discusses how mainstream historians ignore the most fantastic discoveries leaving the general public in the dark about their real history. Unbelievably some of these ancient buildings are still in use as garages and storage sheds by regular people living today.

Atlantis is an amalgamation of several different different ancient civilizations. Sylvie explains there were two types of people who lived in the time of Atlantis. The first group were people who were connected with nature and understood the Earth as a spiritual school for souls incarnating here. The second group of people who were focused on technology and forgot their mystical powers. A conflict destroyed the Atlantian civilizations which brought about an age of survivors. Both groups of people survived but initially the spiritualists from the first group intermixed with primitive tribal peoples to form new civilizations. This occurred 20,000 years ago. In more recent times the second group of technologists began to erase the real history by destroying the old books and making their own "stories" to hide the truth.

Novusod
29th November 2016, 12:45
Here is a pretty interesting video on stone moving:

How one man working alone lifted a 20 ton block without the aid of machines.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5pZ7uR6v8c

Dreamtimer
29th November 2016, 13:09
The power of simple machines and human determination. Wow.

Elen
10th December 2016, 13:37
Discovered this and it is very interesting...There are rocks and there are rocks. I cannot argue with him, although I beg of everyone to think for themselves while you listen to anything that makes sense to you.

This video shows you how to find MUDFOSSILS in your area. Mudfossils can be found in 15 minutes guaranteed. See how to recognize the signs of life in everyday rocks. This is our real history and much deeper than a simple fossil. This evidence is multiple tested and DNA proven and many cat scans and chemistry makes this unimpeachable and physical. You can prove it to youself today and take the kids...they will love it.

Part 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISUU8Qg_GDU


Part 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS_2q-lP3iE

Nothing is quite like what we've been told, is it?

Maggie
10th December 2016, 16:16
Discovered this and it is very interesting...There are rocks and there are rocks. I cannot argue with him, although I beg of everyone to think for themselves while you listen to anything that makes sense to you.


Do you think this is true?
If you think this is true, how are you basing your thought process?

Novusod
10th December 2016, 17:03
Here is a bit of sad news.

Survivor style building in New York City to be demolished soon. The building is at the location of 181 Montague Street (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.6941904,-73.9920774,3a,75y,4.77h,106.77t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sDrSaHFQWhEC3yi3KsqzkDQ!2e0!7i1 3312!8i6656?hl=en). It was supposedly built in 1903 (113 years ago) but who knows how old it really is. Destroying this building is certainly parasitic behavior.
Our society hates history and is trying to destroy as much of it as we can.
http://i.imgur.com/MJnK8Ha.jpg

Locals are trying to mobilize an effort to save the building before it ends up like this:
New York throws away more treasure and we don't even know what it is.
http://i.imgur.com/bnfpWeK.jpg

Elen
11th December 2016, 11:41
Do you think this is true?
If you think this is true, how are you basing your thought process?

No no, I don't think it is all true, I realised that in part 2, hens my comment here:
Discovered this and it is very interesting...There are rocks and there are rocks. I cannot argue with him, although I beg of everyone to think for themselves while you listen to anything that makes sense to you.

Elen
12th December 2016, 09:32
A short video from a contributor called Donald about rockcuts or tracks in India, showing a wider picture further again about these ancient sites.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spYz_2y6ZDM&feature=em-uploademail

Elen
12th December 2016, 21:42
More tracks in rock, this time in Texas.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLPb2Qamvbs&feature=em-uploademail

Aianawa
13th December 2016, 01:42
A short video from a contributor called Donald about rockcuts or tracks in India, showing a wider picture further again about these ancient sites.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spYz_2y6ZDM&feature=em-uploademail

I researched this area online today, wow, the granite structures just have to be far older, like way older than whats being said.

Maggie
17th December 2016, 23:09
I've appreciated Crichton Miller's work for a long time.
Thought this should go here.


Crichton E M Miller author of The Golden Thread of Time provides evidence of the true scientific origins of the wheel croix. "Crichton E M Miller reveals that the Celtic Cross is a machine to measure the wheels and cycles of Nature and the Heavens with which our ancestors once kept Time and invented the zodiacs. Time keeping and prediction resulted from its use and a deep understanding of spiritual values forgotten in our modern world. Misinterpretation and sometimes deliberate obscurity and ignorance by religious and scientific authorities has led to a distorted view in the historical perspective of our ancient past."
(http://www.crichtonmiller.com)

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Aianawa
18th December 2016, 04:21
Very much enjoying this, a wise man sharing indeed.

Maggie
19th December 2016, 16:53
I have watched Philipp Druzhinin's videos and they have new information though I don't always think his conclusions are what I think.

Here he presents evidence of a (fairly recent?) ancient disaster in Moscow area...area covered with "mud flood"
"The biggest conspiracy in history"

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Recently as sources like SOTT compile the very dramatic earth changing events that are increasing and the many fireballs observed, I think we must admit that what we think is "high tech" civilization hangs by threads. The way we look at what is considered important looks farcical when one sees what can happen very quickly. These events trigger thoughts of what was REALLY valuable and important for survivors to know, be and have when "Atlantis" collapsed....

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Maggie
21st December 2016, 00:51
Manley P. Hall "This particular opus is about esoteric anthropology."

Manly P. Hall - The Seven Races of Aum(Om)Hue Mankind: The Septenaries

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Elen
24th December 2016, 13:08
Are you ready for a little bit more "meat on the bone"? What about the dwarfs still being underground and good to go? Sylvie is being interviewed for the second time by Greg Carlswood from the HigherSideChats.com. It doesn't matter if you've seen all the videos before, there's always a little more info to be had.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmvAY4-ajIo&feature=em-uploademail

Frances
28th December 2016, 00:52
When time allows me Elen, I have watched them all.
The subject is still fascinating to me
Frances.

Novusod
8th January 2017, 01:07
Sylvie has a new view on her trip to Malta and the "Cart Tracks."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsxlbAEclVA

Impossible cart tracks up to 2 or 3 feet deep. Some go ever cliffs and through holes in the ground. Books have been written by scientists about the cart tracks but they cannot think outside the box. If we believe geologists these tracks must be millions of years old. Geology must be wrong as mud can turn to stone very quickly.

Sylvie's conclusion these are NOT cart tracks.

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My conclusion is they are cart tracks that are just very old (tens of thousands of years old). The once soft soil has hardened into stone possibly due to ancient volcanic ash flows from far away volcanoes. Earthquakes over the centuries have caused the land to distort creating cliffs and holes in the tracks.

Novusod
8th January 2017, 10:42
There is another user on Youtube uploading videos from Sylvie's expeditions. He attended the expeditions and is now making his own videos on the subject matter.

Step pyramid in Italy and ruined city in the forest that have never been officially studied.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYN807Nzv1Q

Elen
9th January 2017, 10:07
There are more mysteries to be uncovered in Malta. Sylvie is suggesting that except for Archaeology, Malta would be boring for a normal tourist. There are tracks all over with a lot of ruins between them.

The most interesting discovery was at the very end, when she discovered a Star Fort built on top of another very ancient Star Fort. We have seen from the earlier documentaries that Star Forts can be found all over the world and that they possibly have a completely different function than a military purpose, which has been suggested by mainstream history. How about "batteries" or "power stations"? This was mentioned in post #70, called Part 39… Here (http://jandeane81.com/threads/7442-When-the-Atlantis-survivors-wake-up?p=841939623&viewfull=1#post841939623)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NVPIxlJMt4&feature=em-uploademail

Novusod
12th January 2017, 06:35
Was rewatching some of Sylvie's older videos (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2FVwbYy8jk) and this jumped out me from one of her slides.

Ancient Starbucks logo. The logo is not just some random doodle but is based on discreet occult knowledge. The symbol of the two tailed mermaid clearly dates back to ancient times. It is a perfect match based on the way the tail is split and the bends in the arms. It is crazy how they hide things in plain sight and think humans are too stupid to notice.

http://i.imgur.com/HBktP6z.jpg

Dreamtimer
12th January 2017, 11:49
Where's the carved wall? Is is Rosslyn?

I did a little search on this logo and came up with an article about logos and their esoteric origins. It gives their purported use followed by concise definitions of the symbols' original meanings.


Starbucks logo: A classy-looking figure to put on the coffee chain's sign and cups.

Meaning: Obsession, addiction and death.


Verse Medusa: The logo on a high-end Italian fashion label.

Meaning: Vanity and promiscuity will ruin you.


Trojan: Condoms, presumably to project strength and masculinity.

Meaning: A container that broke open and released a murderous swarm of warriors.


VW Phaeton: A line of luxury sedans.

Meaning: A reckless teen who almost destroyed the world with his shitty driving.


HTC Droid Eris: A line of smartphones.

Meaning: The goddess of frustration.


The Caduceus: Medical institutions the world over.

Meaning: Deceit and profit.


Terribly misled, we have been.:yoda:

The staff of Asclepius is actually the ancient symbol for the God of healing. It has only one snake and no wings. :wiz:

Novusod
12th January 2017, 13:09
Terribly misled, we have been.:yoda:

The staff of Asclepius is actually the ancient symbol for the God of healing. It has only one snake and no wings. :wiz:

I talked about this in my mystery school (http://www.jandeane81.com/threads/10201-Novusod-s-Mystery-School/page8) thread and I believe this stuff is put out there as a sentience test. They put occult knowledge out in the open in plain sight to prove we are not sentient. The world controllers and parasites can say to themselves "Hey we put the TRUTH out there right in plain sight yet they did not heed the warning. Humans have no more intelligence than a pile of stones. We can do whatever we want with them."

Sentient beings have unalienable rights to a positive life experience.
Non-sentient beings are chattel property that have no universal rights.

I believe pointing these things out greatly undermines their power and what the parasites can get away with.

Novusod
13th January 2017, 05:50
Where's the carved wall? Is is Rosslyn?

Took me a while to dig this up because it is in Russian and Sylvie said the Russian name in her video.

Demetrius Cathedral in the city of Vladimir Russia.
http://ornament-i-stil.livejournal.com/339312.html

While searching also found another Starbucks mermaid on the Cathedral of San Michele in Pavia Italy.

http://i.imgur.com/3uhzVTg.jpg

Elen
13th January 2017, 09:42
Speaking of Star Forts, here is a more in-depth documentary about the ones in Malta. It is obvious that it's been built on top of an older version. The doorways have been concreted shut and the remnants of stairs can be seen, but no longer there and it is very easy to spot the renovations despite the official history of no such thing. Besides, we know (by now) that there was very little rock cuttings done as recent as the medieval times.

Sylvie proves with a few sentences that these particular Star Fort couldn't possibly have been used for military purposes and the visible anomalies are exposed everywhere except in the official text books.

Isn't the Star Forts THE proverbial missing link that we're looking for? This is a very interesting documentary and a must see!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqrEkI0jxHs&feature=em-uploademail

Novusod
21st January 2017, 09:27
Matera Basilicat in Southern Italy has 9,000 year old cave homes that still have people living in them.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g51i3n4EK_c

Elen
21st January 2017, 11:00
Matera Basilicat in Southern Italy has 9,000 year old cave homes that still have people living in them.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g51i3n4EK_c

Why not, this is taking the term cave dwelling to a totally different level. :h5:

Dreamtimer
22nd January 2017, 13:22
There is definitely an appeal, as long as I can still go outside, get some sunlight and don't have to crawl around dung piles...:ok:

Novusod
23rd January 2017, 12:13
There is definitely an appeal, as long as I can still go outside, get some sunlight and don't have to crawl around dung piles...:ok:

Here is some pictures from Matera Italy:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/4b/ee/08/4bee0861875312939fdf25c04c9150aa.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/22/c7/77/22c7778335cb6336d798cd704017c54f.jpg

Unrestored Ruin
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/48/e8/54/48e854d4f53ce681e4353d67235754ce.jpg

Renovated for modern use
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/a9/ff/4d/a9ff4db700bd89f54f078b10e9982cfc.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/fd/d1/2a/fdd12af3731d6fb7ebbe92d25ef8f51a.jpg

Dreamtimer
23rd January 2017, 19:19
I would enjoy staying in caves. Not sure where I'd do it... If I was more intrepid, I'd have been a spelunker. But I don't really like being cold and I don't want to have to squeeze through really tight spaces. :belief:

Elen
27th January 2017, 12:26
Interesting interview with Dr. Carmen Boulter that I think has to be added here on this thread.

Published on 26 Jan 2017

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Changing History Forever!
In this earth-shattering episode full of historic revelations, Dark Journalist Daniel Liszt welcomes Pyramid expert Dr. Carmen Boulter back to the show for some History Changing Revelations about the shocking discovery of a secret site unearthed in Turkey of an Ancient Egyptian chamber that bears a strong resemblance to King Tut’s tomb and that contains a wealth of Egyptian treasure and lifelike statues of the heretic Pharaoh Akhenaten along with exotic antiquities of the Amarna period. Exclusive PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE provided in this Part 1 episode to substantiate the claim makes this the most important Dark Journalist episode to date and represents an earthquake for our understanding of the ancient past, Changing History Forever!

Amazing Akhenaten Discovery Dates Egypt Back to 10,000 BC
This amazing discovery would be incredible and historic enough just by virtue of the fact of its being located in Turkey and suggesting that Queen Nefertiti fled with a small band of followers and escaped her husband’s fate at the hands of the corrupt Amun Priesthood. But this historic find has even more secrets to reveal. The early testing of the artifacts reveals the extraordinary data that carbon dating tests put the age of the artifacts at approximately 10,000 BC, which throws a completely new light on the age of royal lineage of the Amarna ruling family. This royal like includes Akhenaten, Amenhotep, Nefertiti, Hatshepsut and Tutankhamen. It raises all kinds of important questions about our ancient history and strongly suggests that this unusual Amarna lineage may have been a Heritage of Blood transferred down from Royal Atlantis and is linked with advanced spiritual understanding and extraordinary psychic abilities.

Queen Nefertiti and The Pharaoh Akhenaten
The story of Pharaoh Akhenaten and his wife, Nefertiti has been portrayed by mainstream Egyptologists in a way that suggests that the Amun Priesthood was heroic, in deposing the heretically monotheistic "mad king", says Boulter. According to her, the real story is much more intriguing and it relates to Akhenaten's esoteric knowledge about the founding of Ancient Egypt. Why did the Priesthood attempt to strip Akhenaten and Nefertiti from history? Was Nefertiti able to escape, to conceal ancient knowledge of Egypt's Atlantean past and exotic origins in a secret sacred tomb in Turkey? The newly released Bombshell Photographs answer that question with a resounding YES!

In this stunning episode, Dr. Boulter she explains that her new discoveries, inspired by her intuitive sense as well as her expertise as a researcher, reveal that the corrupt Amun Priesthood attempted to eliminate the royal family in Egypt and killed the Pharaoh Akhenaten and his son Tutankhamun (King Tut), but that Queen Nefertiti fled to Turkey and escaped their vicious treachery. She also explores the possibility that Akhenaten and Nefertiti were Atlantean supernatural beings that were giving humanity a new mystical philosophy of peace and spiritual attunement.

Dr. Boulter also discusses her five-part documentary series, 'The Pyramid Code' that explores the esoteric wisdom the Egyptians used to build the incredible monuments at Giza. Her new documentary series called 'The New Atlantis' will unveil her cutting edge and exciting research of an Atlantean culture that existed before recorded history, which formed the basis of the Sumerian, Egyptian, Mayan, and Inca Civilizations!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=286sjgPOvc8

heyokah
27th January 2017, 16:04
Thanks Elen, I love this interview with Dr. Boulter.

The cabal is going to great extremes to hide the truth about the Goddess and always have. And Turkey apparently holds many of her secrets.

Dr. Joseph Farrell will love to ruminate on many of these implications when he finds out about it.

Novusod
31st January 2017, 20:51
Here is a short clip of a story explaining the existence of elongated skulls found in Malta. It is a relevant piece of the puzzle pertaining to the mysteries of Malta. They are definitely hiding something big there.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlIAA2zYhfg

Novusod
1st February 2017, 22:29
Here is another interesting story from Malta. In 1937 a group of children and two teachers on a school trip go exploring the caves of Malta and are never seen again. A British woman claims to have seen giants in the tunnels. Both these reports were published in 1940 issue of National Geographic.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MLdsvf-Slw


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncS2anO4l1w

Elen
8th February 2017, 08:20
Found this on Gio's Cosmic Emporium thread. This interview is highly recommended and fits right in with this thread. Scott lives in Glasgow, he's more or less a neighbour.

Published on 7 Feb 2017
Scott Creighton is an engineer whose extensive travels have allowed him to explore many of the world’s ancient sacred sites. The host of the Alternative Egyptology forum on AboveTopSecret.com, he lives in Glasgow, Scotland.

Tonight, Scott Creighton will reveal how the only hard evidence that dates the Great Pyramid–the quarry marks discovered by Colonel Vyse in 1837–was forged. Creighton’s study strikes down one of the most fundamental assertions of orthodox Egyptologists and reopens long-standing questions about the Great Pyramid’s true age, who really built it, and why.

Air date: February 6, 2016


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgEVm2fa5nE

Elen
24th February 2017, 09:25
Here is the second interview with Dr. Carmen Boulter. She says that a large portion of us have not lost our senses completely. We always know when something is true, when something resonates with us. We know when animals are suffering…we just know.

Published on 23 Feb 2017
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EXCLUSIVE PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE SHOWN HERE ON DARK JOURNALIST FOR THE FIRST TIME ANYWHERE CHANGES HISTORY!

New Explosive Archaeological Discovery Shows Egyptian Royal Pharaoh Akhenaten and Queen Nefertiti Deep Connection to the Lost Continent of Atlantis in Ancient Artifacts dated to 10,000 B.C.!

In this stunning Part Two episode with Ancient Egyptian Pyramid Expert Dr. Carmen Boulter she explains that her new and historic discoveries at a remote site in Turkey of an extensive collection of Ancient Egyptian artifacts reveal a connection to the Lost Continent of Atlantis. The evidence of an Atlantean Princess found among the ruins of the Secret Tomb opens up all kinds of questions for our dating of Ancient Egyptian as well as Atlantean history. As Dr.Boulter explains, 'this is history in the making and the stunning discovery will forever change the story of early humanity and the rise of civilization!'

Atlantis, often scorned by academics as a myth, was said by the Greek Philosopher Plato to have been an advanced culture located somewhere in the Atlantic that sank into the ocean due to its spiritual demise. Later, during the 20th century, the Sleeping Prophet Edgar Cayce predicted that ruins of this lost continent would rise in modern times near what is now Bimini off the Coast of Florida. When a huge structure known as the Bimini Wall was seen by researchers near Bimini in 1968 it sparked a new wave of interest in the reality of the legendary Atlantis that continues through to the present.

Excitement, Mystery, Controversy, Intrigue
A great deal of intrigue, controversy and excitement hangs over these amazing findings that were excavated in Turkey inside a concealed mountain vault tomb. Dr. Boulter is a leading expert on Ancient Egypt and her classic five-part Netflix series 'The Pyramid Code' changed the way we look at the level of technological and spiritual development in ancient times. Her deep involvement in this amazing find has not only given it great credibility, it has also resulted in rigorous scientific testing being done on these objects. The explosive initial results give an earth shattering date of 10,000 B.C. to these classically Dynastic Egyptian artifacts. That predates the historic Egypt by 8,000 years!

Atlantis Royal Family: Atlantean Princess
The groundbreaking discovery throws a completely new light on the age of the royal lineage of the Amarna ruling family. This royal lineage includes Akhenaten, Amenhotep, Nefertiti, Hatshepsut and Tutankhamen. With the discovery of an Atlantean Princess at the site with the Ancient Egyptian Amarna Artifacts, It raises all kinds of important questions about humanity's early history.

It strongly suggests that this unusual Amarna lineage may have been a Heritage of Blood transferred down from the Royal Adepts of Atlantis and is linked with legends of their advanced spiritual understanding and extraordinary psychic abilities.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1gVVArdB_g

Dreamtimer
24th February 2017, 12:05
Carmen Boulter is good in an interview. The artifacts are pretty amazing.

Maggie
24th February 2017, 15:15
Carmen Boulter is good in an interview. The artifacts are pretty amazing.

The last bit where Carmen Boulter says
"Turkey is closed" and her slight hesitance about "Are you still in contact?" was a bit odd?

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Should we question it?

Egyptian Treasure Discovered in Jordan- Internubian Videos
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same video different story

Published on Jun 4, 2014

Worth hundreds millions of dollars ancient Egyptian artifacts found by treasure hunters west of Aswan. The government of Egypt failed so far to get their hand on them. The video was recorded by the treasure hunters posted to advertise sale. Fours storage rooms were each worth $500 M. Some statues were pure gold weigh over 100kg. However this info can not be verified except a few videos posted and talk circulating the cities of Egypt. The first video shows the treasure in one room. The second video is not directly related to the findings except it is an amazing little moving 3D statue.

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Dreamtimer
24th February 2017, 15:53
I was more listening than watching and I did notice her hesitance in answering the question. I could tell just by listening she didn't want to say any more and wondered why. I watched that bit again. She says uh huh easily and then presses her lips together.

We should always question, imo, since there's so much going on and so much unknown.:thup:

Her talk of following and listening to spirit is akin to listening to instincts to me. They always know, even when I don't.

Dreamtimer
26th February 2017, 11:21
Connecting the dots...

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Novusod
27th February 2017, 04:25
BIG discoveries are being announced right now in Malta.

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2017/feb/20/malta-secret-tunnels-inside-newly-discovered-underworld-valletta

Elen
27th February 2017, 15:59
Connecting the dots...

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/918YujIP5LL.jpg

OK Dreamtimer...this is FAR to easy.......but it's great to be able to connect them all the same. :h5:


BIG discoveries are being announced right now in Malta.

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2017/feb/20/malta-secret-tunnels-inside-newly-discovered-underworld-valletta

Exciting place and thank you for keeping your eye on Malta Novusod.

Maggie
28th February 2017, 19:22
Published on Feb 6, 2017
Standing at 3 ½ half feet tall, and about 75 pounds, Homo floresiensis is the smallest adult skeletal in the whole of human evolutionary history. Found in 2003, the “hobbit” or “halfling” was so named because of its diminutive size. Some have claimed that the hobbit is a pathological specimen, showing features of microcephaly, Down syndrome, or dwarfism, others consider it to be a new species within the human lineage eventually becoming extinct when modern humans arrived on the island. There seems to be no end in sight on the debates that surround this hot button issue in human evolution. As recently as half a year ago, reanalysis of the cave deposits, forced a new time frame for the sediments and fossils within the cave. Given the supporters and detractors, and the ensuring war in the literature, the hobbit find has confounded our view of human evolution. Beast? OR Ancestor?

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Elen
3rd March 2017, 08:57
Gornaya Shoria meltaliths. Sylvie is checking out a lecture giving an official interpretation by Russian researchers that this site is natural, like a volcanic formation.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HlpZveHubQ

Maggie
4th March 2017, 14:59
Published on Mar 4, 2017
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Ancient Vimana UFO Revelations and a Lost Civilization!
In this fascinating episode packed with exciting information, Dark Journalist Daniel Liszt interviews the influential author of Forbidden Archaeology Michael Cremo on his controversial research into the dating of human origins. ancient civilizations and the potential widespread impact of Extraterrestrial cultures on human development.

Cremo's groundbreaking research has been featured on NBC's Television Special 'The Mysterious Origins of Man" and on the History Channel's Ancient Aliens TV Series. His diligent investigation into the turned up a series of anomalies that strongly suggest a much older date for the advent of humanity, including finely manufactured spheres uncovered in South Africa that date all the way back to a staggering two billion years!

Scientific Coverup
Cremo strongly disagrees with mainstream scientific and archaeological assertions that human beings got their primitive start as cave dwellers around 200,000 B.C and have only had relatively high culture for six thousand years. He has catalogued shocking artifacts and physical evidence for over two decades that show not only was there an advanced pre-diluvian culture that existed far before recorded history, but that it was predated by 10 million years by the legacy of a sophisticated human society. He sees a massive cover up in scientific circles as their focus has steadily moved towards a limited scientific materialism in the last two hundred years.

The UFO Enigma and Ancient Sanskrit Accounts of Vimanas
Cremo has pieced together from early Sanskrit accounts the devastating impact of a high tech flying machine that existed in antiquity called a 'Vimana' by the ancients. The Vimana was capable of projecting itself in multiple places at once and so it was impossible to defend against. This fascinating flying marvel was responsible for the devastation of Dwarka, an ancient paradise that resembles Plato's description of the legendary Atlantis. The striking similarity between modern day UFO Sightings and the detailed ancient descriptions of the Vimana let's us know that whatever the UFO Phenomena represents it has been with humanity for a very long time.
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Michael Cremo Vimana lecture

Published on May 25, 2015
"Vimanas," flying craft described in ancient Sanskrit. Some of the vehicles were constructed of metal and were seen in the physical dimension, while others were made of more subtle essences and traveled in ethereal realms. According to the 20th century channeled book Vaimanika Shastra some of the vimanas had mercury-based propulsion systems. A text from around 1,000 years ago on ancient Indian architecture supports this notion.

Discussing evidence for humans in extreme antiquity, as well as ancient giants, vimanas (ancient flying craft), and Vedic cycles. Forbidden archeology-- studying objects that demonstrate the idea of extreme human antiquity. The notion that humans similar to us lived millions of years ago is written about in ancient Sanskrit texts from India, which interestingly also describe vimanas-- flying craft that resemble accounts of modern day UFOs. One Sanskrit text tells of a vimana, a metal craft with energy beam weapons, which attacked a huge city in India 5,000 years ago. Other vimanas were akin to "mind ships" that were made of subtle energies and could travel to different dimensions.

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Elen
12th March 2017, 07:46
Published on 10 Mar 2017 This is a prelude to an upcoming revised video about Angkor Wat which is coming soon.

Apsaras are the dancers of the heavenly worlds in the Vedic paradigme, Gandharvas are the musicians of those realms.

Watching in full screen mode is recommended.

There's no narrator in this video, just pictures that shows the dancers...clearly.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNdKKQPrEnA&feature=em-uploademail

Elen
13th March 2017, 08:47
Sylvie is making a few concluding thoughts about whether we are victims of our circumstances or not and forever urging everybody to think for themselves. She is also giving suggestions as to what can be done to change things.

I don't agree with her when she says that she has failed in her attempts. In this case, we are the best judges of what we have absorbed from the very rich material she has shared. Credit is given where credit is due.

From me: Thank you Sylvie, for all the eye-opening moments!




Published on 12 Mar 2017

People of the world, instead of voting for dishonest people just because you think there is no other option, please do create the grounds for the other choice (leaders with divine qualities) by spreading the belief system that there is NO EXCUSE whatsoever for wars, any sort of lies and unfair laws which concentrate all riches to just a handful of entities.
Every politician should write his exact promises along with their exact timeframe. Failure to complete them should result in his/her immediate removal from the given position even before his mandate is over.
Instead of demanding slight improvements in their prison conditions people must aim at nothing else but absolute freedom and full access to the abundance of the beautiful gifts of nature, to which their have rightful share by birth.
The practical steps to start with would be
- immediate introduction to natural plant medicines and traditional healing methods to the mainstream healthcare along with removing any compulsory medical treatments like some very dangerous ones disguised as “vaccinations" , this is an absolute priority, otherwise soon there will be no human race left to save to start with…, ban on all GMO
- transition to honest monetary system, one that cannot be corrupted by the central authority (for example gold based - they can’t create the gold from thin air like they print billions and gift them to corrupted institutions as a reward for being evil) - people, please do not not be fooled by ANY financial solution/reform/promise/subsidy/loan etc that your government offers you - it is a deceit - they will stop fooling you ONLY when the money is not under their control - be clear and precise what you demand from the people you vote for! if you settle for anything that even 99% similar to having the actual gold you will be still surely 101% scammed again!
- radical reduction (for example 95%) of the war budget of the country where you live in - at this point you cannot vote for on a global scale, but you can demand it in your homeland. be sure you specify the exact reduction and the deadline for implementing it
- immediate change in the legislative system drastically reducing or revoking taxes for poor and middle class people and distributing the wealth hoarded by the Unproportionally rich entities amongst all inhabitants of the planet. there should be no “back doors” in the laws for hiding behind so called ‘legal entities” to hoard wealth - all humans are personal entities and are personally responsible for what they do and own (for example there can be business partners who own a given business together, but there cannot be any companies/funds/concerns etc for which nobody is responsible as if they exist on their own just like that - such type of legal entities have become breeding grounds for organised financial crimes against humanity and nature and they can get away with it because nobody is legally responsible for it). a practical sample set of changes - people owning more than 10 million $(this is just an exemplary figure that should be adjusted in every country) should be obliged to distribute the excess for the 10 million $ to the needy (in the form a direct gift to the needy and not one of those dubious international aid organisations!). after further banning the existence of any legal entities who do not have a real human face responsible for them there will a great number of billions to be distributed to the needy. billions of money … and land. every born human must be entitled to a patch of land suitable for growing food. this will eliminate hunger and the problem of the millions of people who live in ghettos - they will be able to start living honourable lives immediately by growing their own food.
- reinstating human rights like freedom of speech (real and absolute one, not like the one we have now), the right to own at least a small productive patch of land (I consider this a human right by birth…) and finally but not least importantly to own your own body (that includes the right to refuse “medical” insurance, “vaccination”) and consciousness (currently you can be jailed for using sacred plants for accessing of other dimensions and this is a SEVERE infringement upon our human rights even though most people are not aware of it because such plants have been misrepresented as if belonging to the group of harmful modern addictive destructive drugs)
- the laws of patenting / copyrighting / “protecting” all kinds of “commercial rights" must be thoroughly revised and entire malicious portions of them must be revoked, like for example patenting medicinal plants or scientific discoveries that could drastically improve the living conditions of all people
READ THE FULL TEXT HERE
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MNW8h7mFAM&feature=em-uploademail

Maggie
13th March 2017, 19:13
Sylvie is making a few concluding thoughts about whether we are victims of our circumstances or not and forever urging everybody to think for themselves. She is also giving suggestions as to what can be done to change things.

I don't agree with her when she says that she has failed in her attempts. In this case, we are the best judges of what we have absorbed from the very rich material she has shared. Credit is given where credit is due.

From me: Thank you Sylvie, for all the eye-opening moments!






https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MNW8h7mFAM&feature=em-uploademail

Where did she say that? I did not notice it.
I appreciate her great contributions and know she has not failed at all.

Elen
14th March 2017, 09:28
Where did she say that? I did not notice it.
I appreciate her great contributions and know she has not failed at all.

I commend you for not hearing it, Maggie...because it's not true. Anyway, one instance is at 51:25.

Elen

Elen
16th March 2017, 11:36
Here's a continuation of the last video of DJ with Carmen Boulter. It is interesting to listen to Carmen's vindication of Akhenaten and Nefertiti and her memories of Egypt.


BOMBSHELL NEVER BEFORE SEEN PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE REVEALS ATLANTIS CONNECTION TO ANCIENT EGYPT IN 10,000 B.C.!

Akhenaten Nefertiti Starseed Royal Atlantean Lineage
In this fascinating and stunning third installment of the special investigation of Ancient Egyptian Artifacts recently discovered in Turkey, Dark Journalist Daniel Liszt welcomes back Dr. Carmen Boulter from the University of Calgary. Dr. Boulter provides us with an update of this unprecedented discovery of objects that were excavated in Turkey inside a concealed mountain vault tomb that closely resemble the Amarna period of the Pharaoh Akhenaten, Queen Nefertiti and King Tut.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enZQt7PldDQ

Elen
17th March 2017, 08:07
Interview with Sylvie where there is a discussion about the small people and underground dwellings which are still here to be seen. The official explanation of these places are: "It's a mystery".

Sylvie explains how difficult it is to survey these places because very often they are located on private properties.

A further discussion on our human abilities that have been subdued for many generations and the possibilities of reawaken them.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oV50OBImwIg&feature=em-uploademail

Dreamtimer
17th March 2017, 11:14
Sylvie has not failed at all. It's a long battle and the outcome often looks dire.

In the words of Anne Braden (and some awesome musicians):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lm2UnYMHY6M

Maggie
17th March 2017, 16:35
A further discussion on our human abilities that have been subdued for many generations and the possibilities of reawaken them.


Think this goes here. There are short people and then there are the people of FAE who live in an invisible to most "frequency" location. They are diverse. This documentary talks about how the "Victorians" took the fairy lore and modernized the stories to fit the sweet tooth people sought.

People even now have "homogenized" this realm, mostly lately seeming to claim all its citizens "demonic". For instance I always feel sad when people talk about Jinn in whole-ly derogatory ways. The realm is FULL of beings.

"In the twilight between light and dark, we meet the fairy realm". It is said we see them with our "heart". Think about that.... many old stories share that when the denizens of the "liminal" are DISRESPECTED, we have reprisals. When kind and respectful, they will work with us. The realm has been violated by "dark hearts" in our times.

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Where I live, they were once known as the Nûñnë'hï


The Nunnehi are a race of immortal spirit people in Cherokee mythology. In the Cherokee language, Nunnehi literally means "The People Who Live Anywhere", but it is often translated into English as "The People Who Live Forever", or simply "The Immortals". The Cherokee believed the Nunnehi to be a type of supernatural human being, completely distinct from ghosts and nature spirits, as well as from gods. In this sense, the Nunnehi (along with the Yunwi Tsunsdi, or "Little People" in the Cherokee language) are the Cherokee equivalent of fairies in traditional European folklore. The belief in fairy-like beings is universal among all races, including all American Indian tribes.[1]

According to Cherokee folklore, the Nunnehi had many underground townhouses throughout the southern Appalachian Mountains, and they were particularly fond of high mountain peaks where no timber ever grew. Hunters would often hear the Nunnehi in the mountains, singing and dancing and beating drums, but when they would go toward the sound, it would shift about and suddenly seem to be coming from behind them or from some other direction, so that the person hearing the sound would never be able to find where it was coming from.


There are also other similar stories that tell about how the Nunnehi invited Cherokee people to come live with them in order to avoid war and misfortune. One well-known story tells about a time long before the time of the Removal, when the Nunnehi told a group of Cherokee that they would return in seven days to carry away the townhouse along with anyone inside it. The Nunnehi warned the people not to shout or make any sound as the townhouse was being carried away. On the seventh day there was a sound like thunder that grew louder and louder as it approached the village. Despite the Nunnehi's warning to the Cherokee to remain quiet, some of the people became frightened and screamed when the ground began to shake as the Nunnehi lifted the townhouse off the ground. Some of the Nunnehi were startled by the scream and dropped a part of the townhouse, which fell to the ground and became the mound at a village called Setsi. The Nunnehi steadied themselves and carried off the remaining part of the townhouse, with the people still in it, to a mountain called Lone Peak, where it was changed to solid rock and the people inside it became invisible and immortal like the Nunnehi.[7]

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The Nunnehi have been associated with mounds such as in Franklin NC


The Nunnehi sometimes assisted the Cherokee in times of war. One of the most well-known stories about the Nunnehi tells about how they fought alongside the Cherokee when their land was invaded by a powerful, unknown tribe of American Indians from the southeast. Nikwasi was the most ancient settlement of the Cherokee. the invading tribe attacked Nikwasi one morning just before daybreak. The warriors of Nikwasi fought back but were eventually overpowered. A stranger then appeared and told the Nikwasi chief to retreat and that he himself would fight the enemy. The chief did as he was instructed, believing the stranger to be a chief from another village who had come with reinforcements. The mound at Nikwasi then opened up and hundreds of Nunnehi warriors poured out and began to approach the battlefield. When the Nunnehi warriors reached the invading tribe they became invisible and slaughtered all but a few who had surrendered and begged for mercy. The Nunnehi told the invading tribe that they got what they deserved for attacking a peaceful tribe, and then sent them back to where they came from so they could deliver the news to their people and warn them to never again attack Nikwasi.[9]

The Nunnehi Defend Franklin, North Carolina
During the American Civil War, by which time Nikwasi had become known as Franklin, North Carolina, a group of Union soldiers approached Franklin with the intention of burning it to the ground. A group of scouts returned to their commanding officers and warned them not to attack the town because it was heavily guarded by soldiers on every corner. However, the town was defenseless, as every able-bodied person had already left to fight in the war. Unaware of this fact, the Union soldiers then changed their course toward Atlanta, Georgia, burning every town in their path. According to the Cherokee, it was the Nunnehi that had protected Franklin from the Union soldiers.

Nikwasi mound in earlier times
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-XTx9NYDExr0/UR7Trg_CBuI/AAAAAAAAHu0/AleIMP0uzz0/s640/gtuinm,.jpg

now
https://mountainx.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Nikwasi-Mound-photo-by-Angelo-Gianni-1100x619.jpg

Edgar Cayce knew and saw these unseen forces

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George Washington Carver worked with the fae.



Carver's mysticism sprang from his conviction that nature held the answers to all of life's questions, and that the only requirement for obtaining these answers was a receptive ear. Carver said, "I love to think of nature as unlimited broadcasting stations, through which God speaks to us every day, every hour, and every moment of our Carver's scientific discoveries originated from a rich inner life built upon a strong faith in divine powers. His spirituality came not from participation in a particular church, but from a deeply personal relationship to his God. "All my life," he said, "I have risen regularly at four o'clock and have gone into the woods and talked with God. There he gives me my orders for the day. Alone there with things I love most, I gather specimens and study the great lessons Nature is so eager to teach us all. When people are still asleep, I hear God best and learn my plan." Carver also spoke with the subjects of his scientific inquiry. He was always seen to have a flower in his buttonhole, and he explained that he talked with the flowers and they revealed their secrets to him. "How do I talk to a little flower? Through it I talk to the Infinite. And what is the Infinite? It is the silent, small force. It isn't the outer physical contact. No, it isn't that. The infinite is not confined in the visible world. It is not in the earthquake, the wind or the fire. It is that still small voice that calls up the fairies." A fellow professor and close friend, Glenn Clark, said that Carver's gift of speaking to flowers sprang from love, humility, and acceptance. His humility was maintained by avoiding what he called "the 'I' disease." Carver experienced awe in his encounter with the natural world.http://customers.hbci.com/~wenonah/new/g-carver.htm

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http://web.nccu.edu/campus/echo/archive2-0001/carver.jpg

http://www.chestercomix.com/images/comics/reconstruction-2.jpg

Novusod
18th March 2017, 03:39
Sylvie's video on Gnomes reminds be of the stories surrounding Untersberg mountain in Germany.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread384938/pg1

Elen
20th March 2017, 14:09
Scrutinizing and comprehensive research into the Psychic Surgeons and also why it is difficult to find a real one these days.

I will share this with you:

I remember my own experience with a genuine Psychic Surgeon in Australia. Somebody that I worked with told me about a man that had saved and healed the hand of a man who had been in a motorcycle accident. The fingers were loose and were just hanging in the skin. The Surgeon held the hand in his own hands for maybe 10 minutes, and he then put the arm into a sling, told the man to wait 3 days and then it was completely healed. This impressed me so much that I decided I want to meet the Psychic Surgeon myself regardless.

I made an appointment, paid the fee and told him that I wasn't sick, but I wanted to see him in person and just talk. He said with a smile it was nice to meet a healthy girl for a change. Anyway after a while he said that since I had already paid for the appointment, he had noticed a small cyst on one of my ovaries. It didn't surprise me, because I had noticed a dull pain coming from there from time to time, and I said he was OK to take it out, and so he did.

He told me that I'd had a major operation and to take it easy for three days. I had a whole weekend ahead of me and so I went shopping and went back to the flat and did all the cleaning etc. In other words...I didn't do as he recommended because I had no idea and thought that I'd been taken for a ride, so when Monday came, my tummy was throbbing and swollen and in pain throughout the whole day.

When I arrived home I didn't feel like food or anything, just laid down on top of the bed, fully dressed, and talked to him mentally: "If you are a genuine Healer...here's your chance. Please heal me now". Then suddenly I felt an electric charge come down on me all over my body and I lost consciousness. I woke up early the next day and felt absolutely wonderful.

I decided to go and see him in person to tell him about what happened to me, besides thanking him for the extra healing (that I didn't deserve). So when I rang the doorbell to see him, he told be to be silent because he had something to tell me...then HE TOLD ME WHAT HAD HAPPENED! I gave him a :h5: and he suggested that I've been very fortunate to be shown how things work. And indeed I think so too. Nobody can take away my own experience in this matter.

But this was many years ago and like Sylvie, I think "the real deal" is very hard to find these days. The parasites have been thorough in removing them from our reality.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNGb710xEHY&feature=em-uploademail

Maggie
21st March 2017, 02:17
Scrutinizing and comprehensive research into the Psychic Surgeons and also why it is difficult to find a real one these days.

like Sylvie, I think "the real deal" is very hard to find these days. The parasites have been thorough in removing them from our reality.


I appreciate your experience very much. It sounds dramatic in its way and very important for you.
I don't quite understand your conclusion of "why" there might be difficulty finding authentic psychic surgeons?

Could it possiibly be that this "kind" of healing is transforming to some new paradigm? IMO it IS.... dispensing with all "MIDDLE (wo)men"

My experience is that it is well and great to "be healed" by another's intervention. I trained in a modality of healing with lineage to the Mayans and before. It has been seen to work and my dramatic result is the aquisition of blue flashes that accompany me. I have a couple of stories too of "healing" by others. But if we must depend on others, this is much less powerful IMO than self healing. At any rate all healing (from what is said by all authentic practitioners) is getting in touch and being a channel for Divine intervention. Self healing has always been said to be more difficult in the past? I am not sure why but my ideal is that we each have direct connection for Divine intervention.

One "thing" about healers is the trap of becoming inauthentic. REAL healing just happens in "god's" timing and the "failure" to produce results can start to work on the ego of a healer. It can cause havoc for the healer and also lead to lying and cheating PLUS the healer's ego getting spiritualized and that is terrible for all concerned.

WE NEED NEW paradigms for healing with imbalances and we need more self connected faith IMO.

For instance, I abhor diagnosis. I never even when a nurse practitioner thought that making "diagnosis" of disease is a positive labeling. IMO in a best case scenario, we'd all have Direct access to the energy that healers use and use it when we feel discomfort or have injuries. We'd just all make our connection and then feel well. No labels.

Do try this...if you get a BOOBOO big or small, grab it with your hands and don't let go until the pain is gone for however long it takes. I have healed innumerable cuts, scrapes and bumps just with THAT.

Lately I am a little confused by a big question. I am not sure why (given my beliefs) that whole populations exposed to communicable "disease" get sick and die in large numbers...as in even recent contacts between isolated people and the modern world. Why do indigenous medicines fail to help people?
I am just sharing one of my BIG questions about disease.

There is one Filipino psychic surgeon Sylvie did not mention. Alex Orbito is famous since Shirley McClaine's mention of him. He says that faith IS important. I cannot help but wonder if Sylvie COULD have more faith in others than in herself at this point in her life?

Is it the faith in one's own connection that is part of the change in paradigms?

Orbito said this in 2012


'How do you see the future of this type of healing? Could it be taught? Could one of your students learn to perform surgery as you do?'
'I teach the basics of magnetic healing, but the students need to have their own connection to and the blessing of God. But I think that the psychic surgery will one day disappear. Gradually new forms of treatment will appear, miracles, wonderful things will come forth. A new generation will come with new skills and new blessings. http://www.magazine-8.com/topics/people/2413-alex-orbito-i-have-treated-one-million-people.html

Elen
21st March 2017, 08:07
There is one Filipino psychic surgeon Sylvie did not mention. Alex Orbito is famous since Shirley McClaine's mention of him. He says that faith IS important. I cannot help but wonder if Sylvie COULD have more faith in others than in herself at this point in her life?

I don't know exactly what Sylvie needs, but I think she meant that Faith-Healing is something based on Religions and it demands some study, knowledge and participation on part of the person being healed. The real Psychic Surgeon doesn't need that, which was my experience and I had only a curiosity about the man, that I'd heard so much about, and wanted to meet him in person.

I agree with your conclusion that we're heading in the direction of self-healing, obviously the mainstream (factory like health deal) is not aiming for health on a profound level. I was wondering what your BooBoo gadget was all about....but then I realized what it was...:h5: Thanks Maggie.

Elen
22nd March 2017, 08:15
The continuation of the three part documentary. What is the definition of an Angel? And should we accept the idea of Oneness on a global scale? Sylvie is digging into a monolog and seeing it from many different angles. Where we look for information on the subject is up to us when we check our own legends and therefore early history.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xB1kSxuPbE&feature=em-uploademail

Maggie
22nd March 2017, 23:18
I think she meant that Faith-Healing is something based on Religions and it demands some study, knowledge and participation on part of the person being healed. The real Psychic Surgeon doesn't need that, which was my experience and I had only a curiosity about the man, that I'd heard so much about, and wanted to meet him in person.


I get what you mean as a distinction. Not to derail...but I admire what Edgar Cayce taught so much.....

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Elen
27th March 2017, 15:08
Is the Alternative Media safe and can we rely on what is given to us as news to be trusted. I can only imagine how it is for Sylvie now that she is relatively famous and being approached by infiltrators. This video is about that...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnWlJZdIGrU&feature=em-uploademail

Dreamtimer
28th March 2017, 12:03
I like how she says "He's taking the gullible people on a train of hatred." In a very recent video by Alex he starts off mentioning women getting raped in Saudi Arabia and how the liberals are just fine with this. Barely a minute in and he throws that out. No evidence. Just a statement.

I was relieved when Hillary was not elected because then I would't have to endure the Hillary Hate-Fest. Of course it's still happening, just under a different name.

Notice how 'snowflake' is becoming a pejorative?


At 21 min. she says..."Yeah. That's a different thing. Anyone can be friendly." So true. Until it's time for blood.

Elen
30th March 2017, 06:11
Last part of the three...Sylvie is suggesting why, how and when to prepare for what is to come.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdQDlV6hBXo&feature=em-uploademail

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Dreamtimer
30th March 2017, 11:08
Great post Elen. Thanks for all the links.:thup:

Novusod
30th March 2017, 20:36
These are the two replies I left on Sylvie's video. I generally do not agree with her conclusions especially regarding Jane Roberts and her books on Seth Speaks.

Part 1:

Jane Roberts is just recycling stuff from the Egyptian book of the dead and the book of the life. The story of the heart being weighted against the feather of truth is at least 5,000 years old. People die, go through a tunnel of light, and get judged.

Perhaps those beings we meet in between lives and when using DMT or Ayahuasca ARE the parasites. They don't seem very loving when they prearrange these "tests" as you call them. They seem to be psychopaths. Mankind has been living in fear of such beings for centuries, for lifetime after lifetime and it has done us little good. Perhaps a rebellion against them is in order. NOT a physical rebellion using violence but a rebellion of the soul. I have done DMT myself and know that it is possible to stand up to them. Humanity must rise up off its knees and stop groveling to these beings.
http://www.trickedbythelight.com/tbtl/index.html
http://tinyurl.com/KarmaLords

Doomsday cults have been around forever always predicting the end of the world. As soon as one of these prophets of doom gets discredited another one pops up and starts saying the same thing. History has proven them all wrong.
https://images.angelpub.com/2016/01/35396/longpeace.png (The world is getting more peaceful)

I believe world peace will be achieved in a few short years. This peace is occurring because humanity is waking up and saying no more to suffering and war. False flag operations are being called out and debunked. The same tricks that started wars in the past no longer work.

Part 2:

I don't mean to upset you Sylvie but you are being conned by Jane Roberts. She is promoting a pack of lies in her Seth books. Seth was one of the beings channeled by Alister Crowley when he was inside the Great Pyramid of Giza in 1904. This is why I said it was from the Egyptian book of the dead. That was more than 100 years ago. Crowley pretty much invented modern channeling and everyone just copied his ideas including Jane Roberts. This Seth entity that Jane Roberts is channeling is a God of destruction. Seth is a destroyer god but his days of bringing ruin to the Earth are over.

Famines have decreased... (ever since the false flag of turning food into fuel was exposed)
Wars have decreased... (which I already showed you)
Violent crime has decreased... http://cdn.thefederalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/191219.png

We are on the cusp of a golden age. You may not believe it but it does not matter. Just watch and see.
https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/10201-Novusod-s-Mystery-School

Dreamtimer
30th March 2017, 22:53
So far my favorite path for avoiding the perpetual trap of the parasites is laid out by Wayna Lobo Blanco in the video I posted on your thread (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/10201-Novusod-s-Mystery-School/page10), Novosud. It involves going into your own heart and the light of your own heart which is not polarized. (He makes some important distinctions between the heart and the heart chakra)

Elen
31st March 2017, 05:22
These are the two replies I left on Sylvie's video. I generally do not agree with her conclusions especially regarding Jane Roberts and her books on Seth Speaks.

Part 1:

Jane Roberts is just recycling stuff from the Egyptian book of the dead and the book of the life. The story of the heart being weighted against the feather of truth is at least 5,000 years old. People die, go through a tunnel of light, and get judged.

Perhaps those beings we meet in between lives and when using DMT or Ayahuasca ARE the parasites. They don't seem very loving when they prearrange these "tests" as you call them. They seem to be psychopaths. Mankind has been living in fear of such beings for centuries, for lifetime after lifetime and it has done us little good. Perhaps a rebellion against them is in order. NOT a physical rebellion using violence but a rebellion of the soul. I have done DMT myself and know that it is possible to stand up to them. Humanity must rise up off its knees and stop groveling to these beings.
http://www.trickedbythelight.com/tbtl/index.html
http://tinyurl.com/KarmaLords

Doomsday cults have been around forever always predicting the end of the world. As soon as one of these prophets of doom gets discredited another one pops up and starts saying the same thing. History has proven them all wrong.
https://images.angelpub.com/2016/01/35396/longpeace.png (The world is getting more peaceful)

I believe world peace will be achieved in a few short years. This peace is occurring because humanity is waking up and saying no more to suffering and war. False flag operations are being called out and debunked. The same tricks that started wars in the past no longer work.

Part 2:

I don't mean to upset you Sylvie but you are being conned by Jane Roberts. She is promoting a pack of lies in her Seth books. Seth was one of the beings channeled by Alister Crowley when he was inside the Great Pyramid of Giza in 1904. This is why I said it was from the Egyptian book of the dead. That was more than 100 years ago. Crowley pretty much invented modern channeling and everyone just copied his ideas including Jane Roberts. This Seth entity that Jane Roberts is channeling is a God of destruction. Seth is a destroyer god but his days of bringing ruin to the Earth are over.

Famines have decreased... (ever since the false flag of turning food into fuel was exposed)
Wars have decreased... (which I already showed you)
Violent crime has decreased... http://cdn.thefederalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/191219.png

We are on the cusp of a golden age. You may not believe it but it does not matter. Just watch and see.
https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/10201-Novusod-s-Mystery-School

I really like your post Novusod. I am very apprehensive toward any kind of channeling although I'm willing to listen to glean the 95% of truth. Using Karma against us is just another weapon to keep us inline and confined in a box of lies.

But regardless of this, I will still continue to post Sylivie's videos no matter what they contain, because everybody should think for themselves and not follow anybody, whoever they might be. To me she has pointed out so many "mind-blowing" things, so if you don't agree with some of the details...the majority of it makes up for the rest.

Again, thanks for your contribution!

Novusod
31st March 2017, 08:55
I really like your post Novusod. I am very apprehensive toward any kind of channeling although I'm willing to listen to glean the 95% of truth. Using Karma against us is just another weapon to keep us inline and confined in a box of lies.

But regardless of this, I will still continue to post Sylivie's videos no matter what they contain, because everybody should think for themselves and not follow anybody, whoever they might be. To me she has pointed out so many "mind-blowing" things, so if you don't agree with some of the details...the majority of it makes up for the rest.

Again, thanks for your contribution!

I still enjoy watching her videos and will continue to watch them in the future. I just think Sylvie is getting a little too preachy lately and counter points should be offered to maintain a balanced view. Sylvie admits she is getting a lot of resistance from her audience lately and this is the reason why.

Elen
14th April 2017, 08:37
It's a remake of an older version, but I think there is more in this documentary.


Published on 11 Sep 2016

more on the stolen history of the Dacia kings
http://www.romanianhistoryandculture....
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS83X...

and more relevant to the subject at hand links

http://vindolanda.csad.ox.ac.uk
https://archive.org/stream/TheOxyrhyn...
https://books.google.at/books?id=O2mu...
http://news.discovery.com/history/anc...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KmQPcNwDww&list=PLJk0yT4erxuRcCMBujshjWZ-KNAHAWCx6&t=50s&index=3

Aianawa
17th April 2017, 03:20
Sorta exciting to wonder whats next to reveal

Elen
19th April 2017, 08:27
Remember Sylvie making a video on Petra some time ago? Here is nearly half hour detailed look at The Ancient City showing the vastness of it all. It shows: The Siq, The Treasury, The Facades Street, The City Center, The Monastery, views from 5 mountaintops surrounding Petra and more. Old dwellings.

There's no narrator, only music, for you to peruse the area in the peace of your own mind.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0Z6XkKryD4

Maggie
19th April 2017, 21:19
Discovery of the Tesla's Torsion Fields or scalar waves on top of the Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun - cosmic internet.

Interview with discoverer of the Bosnian Pyramids Professor Dr. Sam Osmanagich (www.samosmanagich.com).

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This was interesting IMO

Sue Jones, osteoarchaeologist, energy worker, teacher, healer and channel, predicts a second, lower, level to Ravne Tunnel only a few weeks before that level was discovered. She also predicts that the passage to the Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun, a pyramid that is 2.5 kilometers to the south and east of the entrance of Ravne Tunnel, will be found in this second lower level, which Dr. Sam Osmanagich has since named, "Ravne 2." Dr. Sue Jones also predicts that a third, less extensive, level will be found below the second, more extensive, tunnel labyrinth level.

Satellite scans were performed in 2011 and 2014. They show extensive winding tunnel systems at different depths below the ground in the Bosnian Pyramid Complex. If you follow the link below, you will see the tunnels found below ground level beneath the Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun. The colored lines are representations of different-depth tunnels discovered in 2011 by satellite scans using Ground Penetrating Radar.

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Elen
20th April 2017, 06:31
Cosmic Internet...that's interesting. I will have to wait listening to Sue Jones...it will take time...but this is a great post Maggie, thanks!

Elen
20th April 2017, 15:37
I've been listening to every bit of the long video on the Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun and not sorry that I did. There is a great deal that we have to "Re-remember" and I have confidence in that it will happen one day...after all...Tesla did remember parts of it. As a matter of fact, don't you think that inventions are not really inventions, but memories of distant past, especially when they are beneficial for us and the planet.

I recommend this documentary for anybody that has the time, or takes the time to listen to it. And thanks a lot Maggie for finding it.

Elen
20th April 2017, 16:09
This is a continuation of an old post of Cappadocia and to be honest it would be interesting letting Sue Jones "loose" here. This video is without a narrator and so you can see it without "mind-speak". Enjoy the journey.

Music: The Moon (Extended Instrumental Mix) by Brad Stock
http://bradstockatomic.com
The stunning landscape of Cappadocia and thousands years of cultural heritage make it one of the most impressive places on our planet. Cappadocia is listed in UNESCO World Heritage sites as "Göreme National Park and the Rock Sites of Cappadocia": "In a spectacular landscape, entirely sculpted by erosion, the Göreme valley and its surroundings contain rock-hewn sanctuaries that provide unique evidence of Byzantine art in the post-Iconoclastic period. Dwellings, troglodyte villages and underground towns – the remains of a traditional human habitat dating back to the 4th century – can also be seen there."

In the video: Zelve Open-Air Museum (0:06), Göreme (2:13), Göreme Open-Air Museum (2:45), Kiliçlar Vadisi/Swords Valley (3:42), Çavusin (5:27), Rose Valley (6:06), Ürgüp (7:18), Imagination (Devrent) Valley (7:50), Uçhisar (8:15), Love Valley (9:19), Zemi Valley (9:57), Gülsehir Open Palace (10:48), Ortahisar (11:54), Pigeon Valley (12:21), Pasabag (12:45),Ihlara Valley (13:06), Sunset Point (13:50), Kaymakli Underground City (14:09).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00VaKcv47HA

Elen
21st April 2017, 04:56
Sylvie is comparing the Official History of the similar building styles in Baalbek, Italy, Bosnia and Syria. There is a contradiction everywhere and people believe it because it has been written in the textbooks. As of late, the story has changed in Syria, they say it was built by the Arabs…they have discovered Arabic inscriptions on the site.

And then…smack in the middle is an unknown footage of an alleged UFO.

Does anybody know what is written on this stone? If so please contact Sylvie or me.

http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/0bba957f92414cc1a21f3b18c30e5b7c/bibberas-inscription-nimrod-fortress-kalat-namrud-israel-artist-samuel-ddtjk1.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEAKbi22ofw&feature=em-uploademail

Elen
21st April 2017, 08:41
An Update 2016
I like this man's approach (Dr. Semir Osmanagic), he just doesn't give up even when faced with the difficult task of having to change history, all by himself! This is really good news coming out of Bosnia. Listen to what benefits awaits the visitors...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrXBzoc90pg

Maggie
21st April 2017, 12:45
An Update 2016
I like this man's approach (Dr. Semir Osmanagic), he just doesn't give up even when faced with the difficult task of having to change history, all by himself! This is really good news coming out of Bosnia. Listen to what benefits awaits the visitors...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrXBzoc90pg

This gentleman is just moving ahead and his mind is open!

You said: "it would be interesting letting Sue Jones "loose"....and YES, I'd love to hear her suss out energetic readings on the many inexplicable sites!!

Maggie
21st April 2017, 20:03
Ancient stone carvings confirm how comet struck Earth in 10,950BC, sparking the rise of civilisations (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/04/21/ancient-stone-carvings-confirm-comet-struck-earth-10950bc-wiping/)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/science/2017/04/21/ss-composite-image-2017-4-21-10-50-large_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqqVzuuqpFlyLIwiB6NTmJwfSVWe Z_vEN7c6bHu2jJnT8.png

Ancient stone carvings confirm that a comet struck the Earth around 11,000BC, a devastating event which wiped out woolly mammoths and sparked the rise of civilisations.

Experts at the University of Edinburgh analysed mysterious symbols carved onto stone pillars at Gobekli Tepe in southern Turkey, to find out if they could be linked to constellations.

The markings suggest that a swarm of comet fragments hit Earth at the exact same time that a mini-ice age struck, changing the entire course of human history.
Scientists have speculated for decades that a comet could be behind the sudden fall in temperature during a period known as the Younger Dryas. But recently the theory appeared to have been debunked by new dating of meteor craters in North America where the comet is thought to have struck.

However, when engineers studied animal carvings made on a pillar – known as the vulture stone – at Gobekli Tepe they discovered that the creatures were actually astronomical symbols which represented constellations and the comet.

The idea had been originally put forward by author Graham Hancock in his book Magicians of the Gods.

The Vulture Stone, at Gobekli Tepe
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/science/2017/04/21/Replica-of-pillar-43-the-Vulture-Stone-at-Gobekli-Tepe-Sanliurfa-Museum-Turkey-credit-Alistair-Coombs-xlarge_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqImq0gSBkzcH_-jHFXstKOOPHi_e1tpOIk75CAYQiDp0.jpg

Using a computer programme to show where the constellations would have appeared above Turkey thousands of years ago, they were able to pinpoint the comet strike to 10,950BC, the exact time the Younger Dryas begins according to ice core data from Greenland.

The Younger Dryas is viewed as a crucial period for humanity, as it roughly coincides with the emergence of agriculture and the first Neolithic civilisations.

Before the strike, vast areas of wild wheat and barley had allowed nomadic hunters in the Middle East to establish permanent base camps. But the difficult climate conditions following the impact forced communities to come together and work out new ways of maintaining the crops, through watering and selective breeding. Thus farming began, allowing the rise of the first towns.

Edinburgh researchers said the carvings appear to have remained important to the people of Gobekli Tepe for millennia, suggesting that the event and cold climate that followed likely had a very serious impact.

Position of the sun and stars on the summer solstice of 10,950BC
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/science/2017/04/21/Position-of-the-sun-and-stars-on-the-summer-solstice-of-10950-BC-credit-Martin-Sweatman-and-stellarium-large_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqNEaEPVj0ukpq09fI7aH1yBMC7R W9ZfAWIPxLerSbKeU.png

Dr Martin Sweatman, of the University of Edinburgh’s School of Engineering, who led the research, said: "I think this research, along with the recent finding of a widespread platinum anomaly across the North American continent virtually seal the case in favour of (a Younger Dryas comet impact).

"Our work serves to reinforce that physical evidence. What is happening here is the process of paradigm change.

"It appears Göbekli Tepe was, among other things, an observatory for monitoring the night sky.

“One of its pillars seems to have served as a memorial to this devastating event – probably the worst day in history since the end of the ice age.”

Gobekli Tepe, is thought to be the world's oldest temple site, which dates from around 9,000BC, predating Stonehenge by around 6,000 years.

Researchers believe the images were intended as a record of the cataclysmic event, and that a further carving showing a headless man may indicate human disaster and extensive loss of life.

Symbolism on the pillars also indicates that the long-term changes in Earth’s rotational axis was recorded at this time using an early form of writing, and that Gobekli Tepe was an observatory for meteors and comets.

The finding also supports a theory that Earth is likely to experience periods when comet strikes are more likely, owing to the planet’s orbit intersecting orbiting rings of comet fragments in space.

But despite the ancient age of the pillars, Dr Sweatman does not believe it is the earliest example of astronomy in the archaeological record.

"Many paleolithic cave paintings and artefacts with similar animal symbols and other repeated symbols suggest astronomy could be very ancient indeed," he said.

"If you consider that, according to astronomers, this giant comet probably arrived in the inner solar system some 20 to 30 thousand years ago, and it would have been a very visible and dominant feature of the night sky, it is hard to see how ancient people could have ignored this given the likely consequences."

The research is published in Mediterranean Archaeology and Archaeometry, Vol. 17, No 1, (2017) pdf here (http://maajournal.com/Issues/2017/Vol17-1/Sweatman%20and%20Tsikritsis%2017%281%29.pdf).

Maggie
22nd April 2017, 01:09
Sorta exciting to wonder whats next to reveal

What I am most excited to see revealed is whatever will assist us now.

These excite me because I imagine that the world which could be like an Eden is full of useful knowledge.

The way I believe we can best access the useful knowledge is to interact with those who have a puzzle piece and gather the pieces to reveal a larger picture.

I see some common threads and I am looking eagerly for the "way" to use these marvels from "before" the late great catyclysm(?).

1. Use of geopolymers, melting stone, transporting large stone over distances.
2. Structural geometric and biometric knowldege of (meta)physical laws that relate to form. Here I think about how sound shapes and patterns of energy inform matter....
3. Astronomic and earth measures that reflect a global whole earth based perspective. They saw the earth from "above". They mapped the globe and read the stars. They tapped intyo Ley line patterns.
4. Knowledge of water and hydraulics and harvesting energy from the earth (like on the giza plateau)
5. A Universal script (Klaus Dona shows the script in presentations)
6. A Universal language that may be still exist in remnants
7. Underground construction.

I really love thinking about these kinds of topics.

Maggie
22nd April 2017, 18:27
06.02.2017.
Bosnia, Illyrians and tombstones – beginning of European civilization
Stećci – Illyrian tombstones (http://mythology.blogger.ba/)

After inventing lies that Illyrians are actually Slavs another lie begins, it places the emergence of tombstones, the ancient monuments of the Illyrian culture, into the middle ages, since Western Europe cannot tolerate the fact that in BiH there is proof of the existence of the oldest culture on European soil. Implications of discovering tombstones in the XIX century is that the European roots and continuity of existence belongs to our culture, which is in fact very logical: whoever opened an ancient atlas knows that it is nowhere stated that the European culture was begotten in Berlin, London, Vienna or Paris. To prevent further political and geopolitical implications of this cognition, the truth had to be buried under the deposits of twisted narrative.

However, despite all frauds and historical rigging, gradually enlightenment in scientific circles began and extensive research of various archaeologists and experts confirm that the origin of tombstone dates back to the ancient time even prehistory. Thoughts about prehistoric origin of tombstones was shared by an Austrian geologist and researchers Heinrich Sterneck which as an Austro-Hungarian officer-geologist researched mineral wealth of Bosnia and Herzegovina and found various necropolis’ in the field. He thought that the tombstones most certainly belonged to the ancient times, since they were usually located on Illyrian piles or in their vicinity and that they’re old as the Illyrian burial mounds. The other researcher Alexandar Sapieha spoke about tombstones as very old monuments which resemble Egyptian and Parthian ones. German archaeologist George Wild had an interesting claim, namely the tombstones in Bosnia represent the old European cultural heritage, and that some symbols such as lilies (which are symbols on the Bosnian crest) stems from the ancient times, often as tombstones, that various types of crosses are pre-Christian and were known in the ancient culture, and Christianity adopted them at a later period, giving them Christian interpretation.

Yet, the best proof that tombstones were not built in the middle ages are the dimensions and weight of a large number of tombstones. There is no technological context which would place the practice of breaking off of 32 ton megaliths and their transportation of across great distances. Anyway, why would someone do such a thing, and not use such technology in building other structures. Kemal Čolak from Sarajevo calculated that for the construction of such a megalith which is located in Pavlovac near Sarajevo, one would need to break off a cuboid of 40 tons. A logical question can be posed, where would one find such a quarry, and what tools were used for such a purpose. It is especially interesting to mention that some locals claimed that the monument is located on the former training grounds of JNA, and that the army removed all other monuments from that location, but they didn’t have the necessary machinery to remove this one. What did the man from middle ages use to move it? With that, in the dark middle ages, times of wars, fratricide and crusades against Arian Christians, time of famine, poverty and survival, there was no time for erecting hundred thousand monuments, nor the time for laborious and long transportation and great embellishment of the monuments. Was it done in the middle ages, such a powerful and technically advanced civilization would easily fend off attackers and conquer entire Europe.
There are numerous arguments which testify that tombstones cannot be from the middle ages, though in the middle ages they were used, partially inscribed and ornamented. Here are some of them:
1. Official science until the end of the 19th century considered tombstones to be prehistoric monuments.
2. It was noted that the symbols on the monuments were tied to ancient civilizations, especially Egyptian and Parthian.
3. There are no known folk tales which speak of construction of monuments in the middle ages. However, there are numerous ones which place the process far in prehistory.
4. There are no inscriptions about the building of monuments amongst the ancient people from Dubrovnik, and it is known that the agents from Dubrovnik recorded anything which was of the smallest interest. Such inscriptions are not known in other archives of Dalmatia and Italy.
5. In heaps under the monuments we see a continuation of burials from the 20th century BCE up until the 20th century.
6. Tombs from the middle ages on necropolis’ are located near tombstones or underneath stone switches, i.e. smaller tombstones, which proves the continuity of burial from prehistory, but not their medieval origin.
7. From around 100 000 tombstones, and there were more, only 6000 of them are ornamented, and a smaller number contains various crosses which were pre-Christian and familiar in ancient times. Yet if we persist that they’re actually Christian symbols, we’re talking about a number which is smaller than 1%. The possibility of Christians avoiding cross symbols when ornamenting is simply absurd.
8. In the middle ages in Dalmatia, Bosnia and Serbia numerous wars were waged, mostly crusades against Arian Christians, during this time social-economic conditions were not ripe for erection of megalith necropolis.
9. Depiction of ancient pillars of a temple in numerous megalith monuments additionally confirms the pre-historical origin of tombstones.
10. Layers of humus on monuments which are today underground are between 30 and 80 cm, while on Roman monuments they are between 15 and 30 cm, which rather points to the Bronze age and not the Middle Ages.
11. That burial under tombstones and under a mound was a custom from the Bronze age is depicted through the verses from the Iliad and Odyssey in which burials of cremation remains are mentioned, bodies in a heap on which a tombstone was placed.
12. Tombstones are also mentioned in the Old Testament, which also points to the Bronze and Iron age.

Published on Apr 17, 2013
Stecaks are Stoneslabs indigeneous to Bosnia-Herzegovina. But one can also find Stecaks in southwestern Serbia, Northern Montenegro ( Sandzak/Raska ) and Southern Croatia. Though 95% of all Stecaks stoneslabs are located inside of Bosnia-Herzegovina.
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the stones look very old and weathered.... also reminiscent of carvings at Gobekli Tepe?

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I found this on Vinca culture which is connected to Turkish and Sumerian styles.....


The Vinča Culture: ('Old Europe').
(http://www.ancient-wisdom.com/serbiavinca.htm)The Vinca culture flourished from 5,500 (2) to 3,500 BC (4) on the territories of what is now Bosnia, Serbia, Romania and Macedonia. It got its name from the present-day village of Vinca, 10 km east of Belgrade on the Danube river, where over 150 Vinca settlements have been determined. There is no evidence of war or defences in the townships, and it appears that the Vinca were a peaceful society combining low-level agriculture with foraging and trade. They produced the first known European examples of a 'proto'-script and were the first people in the world known to smelt copper. They existed in a similar state for almost 2,000 years, following which they appear to have dispersed around the Mediterranean and Aegean.

Vinča settlements were considerably larger than any other contemporary European culture, in some instances surpassing the cities of the Aegean and early Near Eastern Bronze Age a millennium later. The largest sites, some more than 300,000 square metres may have been home to up to 2,500 people. (2) We are told that they lived in spacious housing and separated their dead in nearby necropolis. They had workshops, which means skilled labour. They worked with several styles of pottery and had their own particular artistic fingerprint which is seen in both early Cretan and Sumerian cultures, which rose following the demise of the 'Old Europe' heartland.

......................Similarities to Other Cultures.

What we have then is the record of a civilisation that flourished in Europe between 6,000 and 3,500 BC and which appears to have enjoyed a long period of uninterrupted and peaceful living. The 'Old European' Vinca pottery, artefacts and writing all show an immediately noticeable similarity to what was originally thought to be an earlier Ubaid Sumerian influence from the middle east. In addition, the Cycladian/Cretan cultures are suspected of having close close artistic and possibly religious connections with the Vinca. Both of these cultures appeared following the demise of the Old European Heartland, perhaps not so coincidentally, at the same time as several other important civilisations (Egyptian, Indus Valley, Western European, Maltese Etc) appeared in the prehistoric record.

http://www.ancient-wisdom.com/Images/vincalady1.jpg

The Vinca pottery (above) is almost indistinguishable from Ubaid Sumerian.

Several eminent archaeologists of the time (such as Childe, Hood, Vlassa, Maccay), were convinced that the Vinca had somehow been influenced or 'cradled into being' by the mistaken belief at the time that the Sumerians were the 'Mother race'. However, much to everyone surprise, more recent discoveries of earlier Vinca settlements have shown quite clearly that events must have occurred the other way round as the Old European settlements, along with writing, pottery, metallurgy and 'Ubaid' style art, date to a thousand years before the first Sumerian fingerprint, suggesting remarkably that it was actually a Western European culture that influenced Sumerian development.

http://www.ancient-wisdom.com/Images/vincafigurine2.jpg

The Vinca sculptures (above) show strong symbolic similarities to later Cretan 'Mother-Goddess' figurines and what might be the earliest representation of an 'Omphalos'.

Other similarities with cultures that followed the Vinca's demise have been noted such as the rise of the so-called Cycladic and Cretan cultures, where the new settlers arrived around 3,200 BC. with identical motifs such as the snake, intertwined with the bird goddess motif, the bee and the butterfly, with the distinctive motif of the double axe, are found both in 'Old Europe' and Crete. But the best evidence is in the writing of Old Europe and the 'Linear A' script of Crete, which are to all intents and purposes identical.http://www.ancient-wisdom.com/serbiavinca.htm

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Novusod
29th April 2017, 02:11
Short video here definitely worth watching. Polygonal wall right in the middle of an Italian town.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDK9EFN2BIc

Maggie
30th April 2017, 02:18
This is great!


Published on Apr 20, 2017
Several locations have been suggested as probable idenfications of Aratta, now, there is firm evidence that it was in the region of modern Ukraine, north of the Black Sea and Sea of Azov.

While many Western texts still refer to Sumer as being the oldest civilisation with writing, Ukraine has something far older. This was Aratta, recorded in the Sumerian epic tale Enmerkar and the Land of Aratta. This was the cradle of civilisation and Kamyana Mohyla was its most significant sanctuary. This is a very special place. It is the oldest known sanctuary-observatory in the world.

Aratta is now recognised as having been the world's most ancient (known) civilisation. It developed in the steppes north of the Black Sea (in modern Ukraine) long before the Sumerian civilisation originated, and from there it radiated its culture into India, Mesopotamia, Egypt, Western China and across Europe. Relics of Aratta are increasingly identified in Ukraine.


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ANCIENT HISTORY OF ARATTA-UKRAINE:
20,000 BCE – 1000 CEl (http://www.inerton.kiev.ua/Abstract_Indo-European_Prehistory.html)

ZShawn
30th April 2017, 04:27
watching the petra video....
for a dry desert location is certainly has some incredible erosion going on....everywhere....
i remember looking at photos of this site in the national geographic back in the 70's early 80's and being fascinated with it....but they didn't show many photos or even hint at the extent of its size

Elen
30th April 2017, 08:56
Thank you Maggie, and thank you Novusod! You make this place much richer with your contributions. :smiley hug:

Aianawa
30th April 2017, 09:15
Meanwhile back in India >


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBqdZPZIKZY

Elen
30th April 2017, 09:42
Meanwhile back in India >


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBqdZPZIKZY

This is good and genuinely "Grass-root".

Novusod
30th April 2017, 13:34
Another incredible megalithic structure from India:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HC80JjqPzIU

Mahakasyapa
30th April 2017, 15:20
Thank you Maggie, and thank you Novusod! You make this place much richer with your contributions. :smiley hug:

I love this thread, been following Sylvie's material for some time. Im really happy to know that this thread is so popular here & is constantly updated. Important stuff but I think the 3-400 year timeline is too "out there" for most to even consider this material as somewhat valid lol but all these megalithic sites all over the planet really need more focus & attention.

Aragorn
30th April 2017, 16:01
I love this thread, been following Sylvie's material for some time. Im really happy to know that this thread is so popular here & is constantly updated. Important stuff but I think the 3-400 year timeline is too "out there" for most to even consider this material as somewhat valid lol but all these megalithic sites all over the planet really need more focus & attention.

As a new member, you are perhaps not aware then that The One Truth has conducted an interview of Sylvie? ;) The interview was conducted late in 2015 by bsbray, a now retired member who was also a moderator at the time, and you can find it by clicking here (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/8322-The-One-Truth-interviews-Sylvie-Creator-of-the-Survivors-Videos). ;)


:interview:

Maggie
30th April 2017, 20:28
I love this thread, been following Sylvie's material for some time. Im really happy to know that this thread is so popular here & is constantly updated. Important stuff but I think the 3-400 year timeline is too "out there" for most to even consider this material as somewhat valid lol but all these megalithic sites all over the planet really need more focus & attention.

This thread and discussion of newearth material is what attracted me to join this forum. I love the investigative explosion going on! Welcome to the thread and the forum! Maggie

Elen
1st May 2017, 04:30
I love this thread, been following Sylvie's material for some time. Im really happy to know that this thread is so popular here & is constantly updated. Important stuff but I think the 3-400 year timeline is too "out there" for most to even consider this material as somewhat valid lol but all these megalithic sites all over the planet really need more focus & attention.

I love the fact that you've ended up here...and any contribution to our discussion will be so much appreciated. :chrs:

Maggie
1st May 2017, 22:09
Some new material for me

Klaus Dona: Mysterious Artifacts from Secret Collections & Giant Skeletons

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modwiz
1st May 2017, 22:28
This is great!



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ANCIENT HISTORY OF ARATTA-UKRAINE:
20,000 BCE – 1000 CEl (http://www.inerton.kiev.ua/Abstract_Indo-European_Prehistory.html)

Really enjoyed the video. Based on something said or shown I believe Aratta became corrupted to Tartaria. The vast civilization that covered most of Asia and Eastern Europe.

Maggie
2nd May 2017, 02:17
Really enjoyed the video. Based on something said or shown I believe Aratta became corrupted to Tartaria. The vast civilization that covered most of Asia and Eastern Europe.

I once did some research on Tartaria. I will try to find some of my references. Interesting early writing is associated with Tartaria and suggests a vast "country" with written communication.


loam plates are embedded with the oldest text known by modern science so far. Some archaeologists tried to debunk this myth claiming that the Tartaria tablets appeared because of the Sumerian influence, because the symbols present on the tablets strongly resemble those used by the Sumerians when it came to writing. Because of this, it was assumed that the symbols were borrowed from them, and the ancient dwellers used them without knowing their meaning. But scientists are contradicted by history itself, because around 5500 BC, the Sumerian writing did not exist or if it did, there are no accounts to support these claims until the present day. Historians were once again puzzled when they tried to translate the tablets based on Sumerian dialect, as they found the name ‘Saue,’ the equivalent of god Usmu known to the Sumerian culture.

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Experts from the Russian Academy of Science concluded after they had analyzed the intriguing artefacts that they represent a fragment of a largely spread writing system found in the area where they were discovered. According to them, the text from one tablet refers to six ancient totems which coincide with a manuscript from the Sumerian city of Djemdet-Nastra. If read clockwise, the following proto-Sumerian text can be deciphered: ‘NUN.KA.S.UGULA.PL.IDIM.KARA.I,’ meaning ‘Forty years of ruling for the lips of god Saue the oldest after ritual had burned. This is the tenth.’ The meaning of this is still under debate, leaving room for plenty of speculations since the scientific world couldn’t come to a mutual agreement until now.

The general belief is that these writings couldn’t just pop-up out of nowhere, but they could only be developed inside a prosperous and vast culture. So, in order to solve the riddle of the three clay tablets the entire complex where they had been discovered, namely Turdas-Vinca complex, needs to be excavated and studied. Not only do the glyphs embedded on the tablets strongly resemble the Sumerian writings, but they’re also arranged in the same succession, meaning that a symbol coincidence is plausible, but the same arrangement (succession) beats that coincidence. A series of archaeological observations also point towards a similarity between the religious beliefs from Tartaria area and that of Djmdet-Nasra. The interpretation of the round tablet denotes that it contains brief information regarding the sacrificial ritual of a priest.

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With all these enigmas still in place, researchers are debating how it was possible for the ancient dwellers of Tărtăria to write in Sumerian when at that time, the name of Sumer wasn’t even known. Russian scientist Boris Perlov believes that the Sumerians and Babylonians were only the ‘capable students,’ thus borrowing the pictographic writing from the Eastern cultures and furtherly transformed it into cuneiform writing. According to Perlov, the true inventors of writing were the Balkan people and not the Sumerians.

So, is it possible that history has to look elsewhere to elucidate the riddle of the first writings? Were there other great civilizations predating those of Sumer and Egypt? And most important, are we going to ignore every piece of evidence that directly contradicts with the established norms of science?

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Name of Tartary no relation to the name of the Turkic tribes has not. When strangers ask the people of this country about who they are, the answer to them was, "We are the children Tarkh and Tara" - a brother and sister who were in ancient times the Slavs, the guardians of the Russian land.

These views have not unfounded(According to ancient beliefs): the fact that the man "came" to the Earth through the so-called Stargate about forty thousand years ago.

Among the settlers was a relatively small group of highly-humanoid creatures that are very close to modern man, forming a kind of caste, which the rest of the settlers called urs.

Urs had great opportunities that lay beyond the imagination of most of the "ordinary" people who did not belong to this caste.

Ury become teachers, mentors all others. They defended initially relatively small number of settlements "ordinary" people, both from the wild and from the "two-legged predators."

Ury taught and helped develop the original technology, passed the necessary knowledge and skills that will have to be sought only through the millennia.

Ury encrypted and transmitted them to maintain a special caste of keepers - the wise men, who, at the right time will have to pass the stored knowledge, carrying them through the millennia, preserving all that is possible.

For this purpose, the guardians - the wise men received two runic alphabet, each of which is used by the wise men of different levels of initiation - and da'Ariyskie h'Ariyskie letters.

The memory of the teachers Urach remained in words, for example, in the word culture, which means a system of moral and spiritual ideas that have been passed urami rusam their wards.

The presence of two castes of the ancient Slavs was manifested in the names that they were given the neighbors. Thus, most of its Asian neighbors called the inhabitants of the Slavonic-Aryan Empire urrusami, combining self-designation of these two castes into one. Until now, many Asian neighbors call the old Russian - urrusy.
http://www.city-data.com/forum/history/1875382-great-tartary.html

This is about tartaria referencing Sylvie and false timelines.


Tartaria

Let’s take a look at an alternative view on history. A youtuber called newearth, who bases much of her videos on the New Chronology by Anatoly Fomenko, says that there used to be a huge empire ruled by survivors from Atlantis or Hyperborea (basically the Aryans) called in western Europe as Tartaria or the Tartar empire just a few centuries ago. Main stream history claims that Tartaria was basically a name for the geographical area in northern and central Asia inhabited by various nomadic people. According to newearth this is false. Tartaria was an empire inhabited by white Christian people. I know this sounds nonsensical to anyone who hears this information for the first time, therefore I suggest you look deeper into the matter yourself.

Newearth explains that Genghis Khan and the Mongol Golden Horde were part of this white Tartarian empire. They were not the ancestors of the Asiatic people we know today as Mongols. The meaning of the word Mongol or Mogol was different centuries ago. The words Tartar, Mongol, Scythian, and probably also Khitan refer to the same people, or maybe they are different groups of the same people, like Germans, Swedes, Danes and English are all members of the Germanic people.https://concordiaabchao.wordpress.com/2016/01/17/marco-polo-did-not-go-to-china/

Here is a reference to a Tara and her brother in the naming of Tartaria.

https://books.google.com/books?id=uZcxBQAAQBAJ&pg=PA75&lpg=PA75&dq=tartaria+tara&source=bl&ots=JZHE9c4iS0&sig=3J_r4wuHXEJqI8uBMjVHbHGYh2E&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjrlK3zk9DTAhVH4SYKHQbHAXgQ6AEIPDAH#v=on epage&q=tartaria%20tara&f=false

More about the "kingdom" referred to as Tartaria and experience of the "cold times"


Over the past millennia Slavs, self-designation of various Slavic tribes who had originally common culture and a common language, determined by different factors.

Prior to the disappearance of the levels, all the Slavic tribes had a middle name urrusy. After the disappearance of the levels, the functions they perform, internally split between their wards Russ.

This led to the formation of several castes: the caste of the Magi - the knowledge and tradition, caste of professional warriors, defending against external enemies, artisan castes, grain farmers and pastoralists. Above all these castes was tribal aristocracy.

Some time after the disappearance level, Russ puts your name obscheplemennomu a particular prefix that reflected their primary occupation (et'russki, p'russy).

Nomadic tribes of Slavs cattlemen began to call themselves Scots, farmers - meadows, forest dwellers - Drevlyane.

Later, there was a further separation of the Slavic tribes from each other, when, fleeing from hunger arising in Siberia during the recent cold snap, some Slavic birth left their homeland in search of new land for habitat.

Gone were taken birth in the form of self-names, the names of their leaders - princes. Rhoda, who left the Prince of Sarmatia, started calling themselves the Sarmatians, who left the Scythian prince - the Scythians.

Over time, the spin-off, the parent of Vedic culture, these Slavic tribes "overgrown" in the new lands of local culture, partly associated with the inclusion of elements of the cultures of the people with whom they lived side by side, or subdued, coming to the new land.

But it was not the other nations, it was all the same Slavs. And when, in the future, they are, for whatever reason, returned to their ancestral home, then again became a Russ.

It is for this reason that "historians" can not explain the complete disappearance of the same Sarmatians, Scythians.

They will not disappear, but just reunited with his older birth, took their family name at that time existed in the social laws.

They were, as a branch of the river Slavic tribe: branching off from the main "channel" and later re-merging with it, have made a fresh approach to the "waters of the old river bed," At that time, as a number of other "arms-tribes" forever leaving his "old mainstream "and, over time, of the" tribal sleeve "any new Slavic tribes, the new Slavic nations with greater or lesser differences in language, traditions and beliefs: the Serbs, Bulgarians, Macedonians, Croats, Czechs, Slovenes, Poles and many others .

But regardless of that, all these tribes, until the Middle Ages, remembered and knew their Slavic-Aryan Vedic empire that existed tens of thousands of years.

And it is - not the ignorant nonsense that suddenly took up history.

This is very much in evidence, and not in the form of "castles in the air," and the very real historical, archaeological and anthropological evidence, which had been ignored and silenced "historians" with diplomas and scientific degrees.

In the Southern Urals, near the village of Chandar in 1999 Chuvyrov professor discovered a stone slab on which was drawn a relief map of the West-Siberian region, made technologies unknown to modern science. Such a map can not be created today.

In addition to the natural landscape, this three-dimensional map for the creation of which, at a minimum, we need artificial satellites, the system shows two canals with a total length of twelve thousand kilometers wide by five meters, as well as twelve dams, 300-500 meters wide, long and ten kilometers and a depth of three kilometers.
Not far from the diamond-shaped channels site ...

On a stone slab were written signs caused hieroglyphic-syllabic script, which for some reason immediately attributed to the ancient Chinese language, which in the future is not completely confirmed.
We hammered the idea of ​​primitive Slavs Slav so ingrained into the brains of Russian scientists that they did not even had the idea that the inscriptions in the Slavic-Aryan runes and, with the help of the latter, all the numerous inscriptions on the stone slab can be read.

And you do not have to go to the kingdom of Far Far Away, but only to compare with the runes of the Slavic-Aryan Vedas.

It is assumed that such plates was 348, which together, creating a three-dimensional world map.

Most of these plates is probably lost forever after the Romanov "spotters stories" in the early nineteenth century, "led" the newly acquired trans-Ural territory to the right of the Romanov Empire "standard."

Back in the archival documents of the eighteenth century is mentioned on more than two hundred of these stone slabs.

Romanov "spotters stories" - almost all foreigners, often speaking in Russian, - past, under pain of death, with his "whisk the Devil" by destroying any historical traces of the Slavic-Aryan empire.

But, sooner or later, the secret is revealed. Even what's left after this "broom" that could save Russian people, often risking their lives, and who did not want to put up with how destroyed the great past of the Russian people, even those crumbs more than enough to recover fairly accurate picture of the past Russia . And these "crumbs" is found more and more ...

At the end of the twentieth century became available to the general reader Slavic-Aryan Vedas, contain a lot of interesting information that modern science is just ignored. And for good reason.http://www.city-data.com/forum/history/1875382-great-tartary.html

I had an idea once about the Goddess Tara and her abilities and purpose. I was in a group of Goddess women and we chose a Goddess to learn about and from. She is known all over the world. She is associated with Tuadha d’Anu.


Of the younger gods of the Aryans, the Adityas, two - Tara and Bhaga - stand out prominently. As we have seen Ulick Beck and several other scholars have traced the origin of the Scythian-Irish Tuadha d’Anu to the same region as the Aryans, and have gone as far as saying that they were one and the same.

Interestingly we find that the goddess Tara - wife of Rudra, Indra’s charioteer, appears in Eire as Tara, the Hill or Rath of ghosts in County Meath, Eire. Tara was the sacred centre of the united Irish kingdom and was the seat of the Danaan Kings of Tara during the Iron Age.

Some scholars attribute the name of Tara in Eire to some complicated sounding god name which I find implausible in the light of the fact that a Goddess Tara already existed in the Scythian-Aryan pantheon. Whether Asura or Aditya, Danaan or Milesian, all of the ancient Goddess Queens were the source of sovereignty associated with sacred mounds and it seems therefore entirely appropriate to name a Sidhe rath, a portal to the otherworld and thus the source of sovereignty, after a goddess who would herself have represented sovereignty.
https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/dragons/esp_sociopol_dragoncourt02_12.htm

The Tara material I looked at was implying that She was from off world originally. So this ties in with some of the questions about alien contact? Tara that I was focusing on was Green tara. She longs for humans to be happy and free of suffering. She is a swift protector when called upon. Her 21 aspects could be seen as "21" teachings of how to approach and gain assistance form Tara.

So, as I was also reading the Bock Saga Material, I thought I came on a reference that implied the pepol (those in the far north of the original Alpahabetan) originally came form off world. I cannot find that reference (maybe the Mandala effect there for me?). The Pepol sent their sons out when the ice melted to reunite all the pepol. I imagine daughters accompanied them?

What I thought about in regard to Tara that it was not a "single" Goddess but many teachers under the TITLE of Taras. There is a significance maybe when we think about what the 21 aspects of tara are? Are they aspects of technology? Pepol brought technology and this CAN bring happiness and freedom from suffering at the mundane level?

I think that Tara is a holder of Principles that can swiftly protect and ease suffering. The allies brought them and were known as Taras who helped restore a sense of connection to power in a world where people had lost their civilization

This is Long but I'll post part


The Praise of Twenty-One Taras

The twenty-one Taras can be distinguished by the colour of their bodies, adornments and postures. They protect people from eight and sixteen kinds of fears. The eight fears are 1) danger of pride and from lions, 2) danger of torpor and from elephants, 3) danger of anger and blazing fire, 4) danger of jealousy and poisons of snakes, 5) violence of false view and of thieves, 6) danger of insatiable greed and imprisonment, 7) danger of desire and waters, 8) danger of doubts and demons. (Bokar Rinpoche)

The sixteen fears are the fear of the five elements (earth quakes, floods, wind, fire and fear of space), fear of weapons, tyrannous authority, criminals, spirits, elephants, wild animals, poisonous animals, sickness, accidents and untimely death, poverty and frustrations of hopes and plans. (Khenchen Thrangu Rinpoche)

According to old tradition the twenty aspects of Tara are visualised around the main figure. According to new terma tradition the twenty-one aspects are visualised below the main Green Tara who is thus visualised twice, because Atisha added a verse, which praises the main deity.

Green Tara (the main deity) and each of her 21 aspects are mentioned in the praise verse by verse. The twenty-one Taras are explained by Bokar Rinpoche and Ringu Tulku Rinpoche respectively along the verses. There are many different traditions for the visualization.

Preliminary stanza praising the Main Deity (added by Atisha Dipankar):

OM JET-SUN-MA PA-MA DROL-MA LA CHA-TSAL-LO
Om. I pay homage to Tara, the Noble One, the Arya

CHA-TSAL TA-RE NYUR-MA PA-MO
Namo. Tare, she who is swift, the Heroine,

TUT-TA-RE YI JI-PA SEL-MA
She who eliminates all fear with tuttare,

TU-RE DÖN-KÜN JIN-PE DROL-MA
The Saviouress who gives all benefit with ture

SOHE YI-KE CHÖ-LA DU-DO
I bow down to You, swaha.

Aspects of Tara:
(1)
CHA-TSAL DROL-MA NYUR-MA PA-MO
Namo. Tara, She who is Swift, the Heroine,

CHEN-NI KE-CHIK LO-DANG DRA-MA
She who has Eyes like instantaneous lightning

JI-TEN SUM-GÖN CHU-CHE SHAL-CHI
She who appeared from the opened blossom

GE-SAR CHE-WA LE-NI CHUNG-MA
Of the Lotus Face of the Lord of the Three Worlds (Chenrezi).

- Pravira Tara, rabtu pawai drolma, Liberating One with Perfect Courage; red. Eight arms, two hands above her head are in the mudra of great bliss holding a vajra and a bell. In the other right hands she is holding an arrow, Wheel of Dharma and a sword. In the other left hands she holds a bow, a conch and a rope. (Bokar Rinpoche)
- Nyurma pamo, the Swift One, Heroine. Red, slightly angry, slightly smiling. In her left hand she is holding a lotus and on top of the lotus there is a conch shell. All the 21 Taras are holding a lotus or utpala flower in their left hand, and the difference is only the symbol on top of that. The right hand is in the mudra of giving protection, or in the mudra of supreme giving. (Ringu Tulku)

(2)
CHA-TSAL TÖN-KE DA-WA KUN-TU
Namo. She who has the Face of a hundred completely full moons

KANG-WA JA-NI TSE-PE SHAL-MA
Of Autumn, laid one upon another.

KAR-MA TONG-DRA TSO-PA NAM-CHI
She who is shining intensely with the completely diffused light

RAB-TU CHE-WE Ö-RAB BAR-MA
Of a multitude of thousands of stars.

- Chandrakanti Tara, dadang gyi drolma, Liberating One with Moon Radiance; white. Three faces symbolize the three Bodies: right blue, centre white and left golden. She has twelve arms symbolizing the twelve interdependent factors. In her right hands she is holding a garland, a vajra, a jewel, a wheel and a khatvanga, in her left hands she holds a text, a treasure vase, a bell, a lotus and a vase. Two arms are in a meditation posture. (BR)
- Yangchenma, Sarasvati, also called tönshalma in Tibetan (tön means autumn and shal means face), meaning She who has the Face of a hundred completely full moons of autumn. She is white, shining intensely with the completely diffused light of a multitude of thousands of stars. She dispels darkness of ignorance by her strong light. On top of the lotus in her left hand there is a text or the letter hri. (RT)

(3)
CHA-TSAL SER NGO CHU NE CHE CHI
Namo. She whose Hand is perfectly adorned

PE-ME CHA-NI NAM-PAR JEN-MA
By a gold and blue lotus born from water.

JIN-PA TSÖN-DRU KA-TUB SHI-WA
She who is the embodiment of the field of activity of giving,

ZÖ-PA SAM-TEN CHÖ-YUL NYI-MA
diligence, the difficult, peace, patience and dhyana.

- Kanakavarna Tara, serdokchen gyi drolma, Golden Liberating One; golden. Ten arms symbolising the Ten Perfections. In her right hand she holds a mala (rosary), a trident, a vajra, an arrow and a sword. In her left hands she holds a silk scarf, a lasso, a lotus, a bell and a bow.
- Ser-ngo sönam chukter is giving of all virtues, all positive. Giving is her main activity. Her colour is yellow and blue; greenish, and she is holding a wishfulfilling gem on top of her flower.

(4)
CHA-TSAL DE-SHIN SHE-PE TSUK-TOR
Namo. She who has the activity of complete, infinite victory

TA-YE NAM-PAR GYAL-WAR CHÖ-MA
Upon the Ushinishas (Head-mounds) of the Tathagatas

MA-LY-PA ROL CHIN-PE TOP-PE
She, on whom the Buddha's daughters and sons

GYAL-WE SE-CHI SHIN-TU TEN-MA
Who have attained all paramitas without exception, utterly depend.

- Ushinishavijaya Tara, tsuktor nampar gyalwai drolma, Liberating One with a Perfectly Victorious Crown Protuberance; golden. She has four arms, the right hands are holding a mala and displaying the giving mudra. In her left hands she holds a stick and a vase.
- Tsuktor namgyal, tsuktor means the head mound. Golden in colour, symbol is tsebum, a life-giving vase on top of a lotus.

(5)
CHA-TSAL TUT-TA-RA HUNG YI-GE
Namo. She who fills Desire, Direction and Space

DÖ-DANG CHÖ-DANG NAM-KHA GANG-MA
With tuttara and the syllable hung

JI-TEN DUN-PO SHAP-CHI NEN-TE
She who has the power to squash down the seven worlds with her Feet

LU-PA ME-PAR GU-PAR NU-MA
And summon all without exception.

- Humsvara-nadini Tara, hum dra drokpay drolma, Liberating One Producing the sound Hum (Hung); yellow. Two arms, with her right hand in a protecting mudra and the left in the mudra of Three Jewels, holding a lotus.
- Rikchema, her colour is very dark red, almost brown. She holds a bow and arrow on top of a lotus and her activity is to summon and empower everything. She is victorious over three realms: desire realm, form realm (“direction”) and formless realm (“space”).

(6)
CHA-TSAL JA-CHIN ME-LHA TSANG-PA
Namo. She to whom Indra, Agni, Brahma, Pavana

LUNG-LHA NA-TSO WONG-CHU CHÖ-MA
And the Various Great Gods make offerings

JUNG-PO RO-LANG DRI-SA NAM DANG
She who is praised by multitudes of bhutas, vetalas

NÖ-JIN TSO-CHI DUN-NE TÖ-MA
Gandharvas and yakshas gathered before Her.

- Trailokya-vijaya Tara, jikten sumlay nampar gyalway drolma, Liberating One, Victorious over the Three Worlds; red. She has four arms, right hands holding a sword and a vajra, left hands holding a rope and displaying the threatening mudra.
- The usual Green Tara, called tsenden ngachi drolma, the Drolma of Sandalwood Forest. She is holding a lotus flower, sometimes a wheel on it, but usually just blue lotus or utpala flower, which is bluish. Her activity is to summon (call) and to give fearlessness.

(7)
CHA-TSAL TRE CHE CHA-TANG PHE CHI
Namo. She who completely defeats the magical devices of adversaries

PHA-ROL TRUL-KOR RAB-TU JOM-MA
By what is named trad and phat

YE-KUM YÖN-CHANG SHAB-CHI NEN-TE
She who squashes down with Her legs, the right indrawn, the left extended,

ME-BAR DRU-PA SHIN-TU BAR-MA
And blazes intensely with whirling blazing fire.

- Vadipramardaka Tara, golwa jompay drolma, Liberating One, Victorious over Hostility; black. Wrathful with four arms, right hands holding a sword and wheel, left hands displaying the threatening mudra and holding a rope.
- Zigchedma shishig serngo, red in colour, holds a dagger (phurba, kilaya) on top of a lotus. Her activity is to defeat negativity.

Seven wrathful aspects:
(8)
CHA-TSAL TU-RE JI-PA CEN-MÖ
Namo. Ture, the Great Terroress,

DU-CHI PA-WO NAM-PAR JOM-MA
Who completely vanquishes the Mara-Warriors

CHU-CHE SHAL-NI TRO-NYER DEN-DZE
She who has a Lotus-Face grimacing angrily,

DRA-WO TAM-CHE MA-LU SÖ-MA
Who slays all enemies without exception.

- Vashitottamada Tara, wangchuck terway drolma, Liberating One Who Gives the Sublime Empowerment; golden. She is seated on makara (sea monster) and has four arms, right hands holding a branch of the ashoka tree and a jewel, left hands holding a vase and a lotus.
- Chensi motu, black in colour, very wrathful, holding a sword. Her quality is to give the power of invincibility.

(9)
CHA-TSAL KÖN-CHOK SUM-TSÖN CHA JI
Namo. She who's Heart is perfectly adorned

SOR-MO TU-KAR NAM-PAR JEN.MA
By Her fingers in the Mudra symbolising the Three Jewels,

MA-LY CHO-CHI KOR-LO JEN-PE
She who whirls her own multitude of lights,

RAN-GI Ö-CHI TSO-NAM DRU-MA
Adorning the wheel of all directions without exception.

- Varada Tara, chok tsolway drolma, Liberating One Who Grants the Sublime; red. She has four arms, two hands above her head in the mudra of joy, holding a vajra and bell. The other right hand is in a mudra of (?) and the other left hand is holding a branch of the ashoka tree.
- Chen migyalma, it means would not get the other, the negative aspect or force to get victory. She is red in colour, very wrathful, holding a dorje.

continue here continues here (http://www.nic.fi/~laan/praise.htm)

modwiz
2nd May 2017, 02:42
I once did some research on Tartaria. I will try to find some of my references. This is about tartaria



Here is a reference to a Tara and her brother in the naming of Tartaria.

https://books.google.com/books?id=uZcxBQAAQBAJ&pg=PA75&lpg=PA75&dq=tartaria+tara&source=bl&ots=JZHE9c4iS0&sig=3J_r4wuHXEJqI8uBMjVHbHGYh2E&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjrlK3zk9DTAhVH4SYKHQbHAXgQ6AEIPDAH#v=on epage&q=tartaria%20tara&f=false

I had an idea once about Tara and her abilities and purpose. I was in a group of Goddess women and we chose a Goddess to learn about and from.

The Tara material I looked at was implying that she was from off world originally. So this ties in with some of the questions about alien contact? Tara that I was focusing on was Green tara. She longs for humans to be happy and free of suffering. She is a swift protector when called upon. Her 21 aspects could be seen as "21" teachings of how to approach and gain assistance form Tara.

So, as I was also reading the Bock Saga Material, I thought I came on a reference that implied the pepol (those in the far north of the original Alpahabetan) originally came form off world. I cannot find that reference (maybe the Mandala effect there for me?). The Pepol sent their sons out when the ice melted to reunite all the pepol. I imagine daughters accompanied them?

What I thought about in regard to Tara that it was not a "single" Goddess but many teachers under the TITLE of Taras. There is a significance maybe when we think about what the 21 aspects of tara are? Are they aspects of technology? Pepol brought technology and this CAN bring happiness and freedom from suffering at the mundane level?

I think that Tara is a holder of Principles that can swiftly protect and ease suffering. The allies brought them and were known as Taras who helped restore a sense of connection to power in a world where people had lost their civilization

This is Long but I'll post part

I see and like the Tara connection, (looked at your link). Playing with anagrams, how I came up with an Aratta/Tartaria connection, Tara can give us Arat. Thank you for providing the link.

Maggie
2nd May 2017, 03:17
am reviewing this one

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Maggie
2nd May 2017, 03:22
I see and like the Tara connection, (looked at your link). Playing with anagrams, how I came up with an Aratta/Tartaria connection, Tara can give us Arat. Thank you for providing the link.

Love your connection there Modwiz!

I am just now reading this and fascinated


Slav-Aryan Vedas

Slav-Aryan Vedas (further – simply „Vedas’’) in a broad sense represent a set of ancient documents of Slav and Aryan peoples non-outlined precisely, including the precisely dated and having authorship works as well as national legends, tales, bylinas, etc., told and written down recently.

„Perun’s Vedas Santees’’ are meant only as Vedas in narrow sense (Books of Knowledge or Perun’s Wisdom Books), consisting of nine books, dictated by our first ancestor, the God Perun, to our far ancestors while their third arrival to the Earth on the spaceship Waitman, in 38 004 B.C. (or 40 009 years ago). Only the first book of these Vedas was translated into Russian nowadays.

As a whole Vedas contain a profound knowledge about nature and reflect Humanity history in the Earth during last several hundred thousand years, – at least, not less than 600 000 years. They also contain Perun’s prediction of the future events for 40 176 years ahead, i.e. until nowadays and 167 years ahead.


Vedas in its basis, on which they were written originally down, are divided into three basic groups:

- satees are the plates of gold or other precious metal, without affect with corrosion on which texts were put by stamping signs and filling them with paint. Then these plates were fastened by three rings like books or made out in the oak framework and framed by a red cloth;

- charatiys are the sheets or rolls of high-quality parchment with texts;

- volchvaries are wooden plates with the texts written or cut out.

Santees are the most ancient of known documents. Originally „Perun’s Vedas Santees’’ were called as Vedas, but there are mentions of others Vedas in them, which even at that time, i.e. more 40.000 years ago, named Ancient and which either are lost, or stored in secluded places and not disclosed for any reasons currently. Santees reflect the most secret Ancient Knowledge. It is possible even to tell that they are archive of knowledge. By the way, Indian Vedas is only a part of Slav-Aryan Vedas, transferred by arias about 5.000 years ago to India.

As a rule charatiys were santees copies, or, probably, writing out of santees, intended for wider use in the priestly habitat. The most ancient charatiys are „Charatiys of Light’’ (the Book of Wisdom) which were written down 28 736 years ago (or, to be exact, from 20 August till 20 September, 26 731 B.C.). As it is easier to write down charatiys than to make santees engraving on gold, so extensive historical data were written down in such a kind.

So, for example, charatiys under the name „Avesta’’ were written down on 12 000 bull’s skins 7.513 years ago along with the war history of Slav-Aryan peoples with Chinese. The peace conclusion between fighting parties was called as the World Creation in the Star Temple (W.C.S.T.). And a year according to our ancient calendar in which this peace concluded was called as the Star Temple.

It was the first world war in the Earth’s history, and this event was so tremendous, and the victory was so significant for White Race that served as a reference point for new chronology introduction. Since then all white peoples counted summers from the World Creation. And this chronology was cancelled only by Peter Romanov I in 1 700 who imposed the Byzantine calendar to us as only the Romanovs come to power with the help of the Byzantine Empire. And „Avesta’’ itself was destroyed by Alexander the Great on an instigation of the Egyptian priests so the World Creation in the Star Temple didn’t throw the light onto „the world creation’’, described under their dictation in the Bible.

„Vlesov’s Book’’ written down (perhaps, gradually by several authors) on wooden plates and reflecting the history of Southeast Europe peoples during one and a half thousand years till the Kiev Russia christening can be named among volkhvaries. Volkhvaries were intended for the Magi – our ancient clergy of old believers, whence the name of these documents went as well. Volkhvaries were methodically destroyed by Christian church.

Slav-Aryan peoples had four basic letters in antiquity – according to the number of basic White Race Clans. The most ancient of the kept documents, i.e. santees were written down by Ancient х’Aryan Runes or Runic as they are still called. Ancient Runes are neither letters nor hieroglyphs in our modern understanding, but some kind of the secret images transmitting huge volume of Ancient Knowledge. They include tens of signs, which are written down under the common line, named celestial. Signs designate figures, letters and separate things or phenomena – or frequently used, or very important.

X’Aryan Runic served as a basis for creation of the simplified letter forms during ancient times: ancient Sanskrit, Lines and Rezovs, Devanagary, German-Scandinavian Runes,Vincha in Serbia, and many others. It also became the basis of all modern alphabets together with other Slav-Aryan Clans letters, beginning with old Slav and finishing with Cyrillic and Latin. So Cyril with Mephodiy didn’t invent our spelling – they only created one of its convenient variants that was caused by the necessity of Christianity distribution in Slav languages.

It is necessary to add also, that Slav-Aryan Vedas are kept by Priests-keepers or Capen-Engling, i.e. Keepers of Ancient Wisdom, at Slav-Aryan Heathens (temples) of Old Russian Englieest Church of Orthodox Old Believers-Englieests. Exact storage places are not specified anywhere, as the certain forces tried to destroy our Ancient Wisdom during last thousand years. Time of these forces domination comes to an end nowadays, and Vedas keepers started to translate them into Russian and publish. Currently only one of nine books „Perun’s Vedas santees’’ is translated with reductions. But it is in a narrow sense as for Vedas. And in a broad sense Vedas pieces are stored in different places by all white peoples – descendants of those Slav-Aryan Clans that occupied our Earth the first.

By the way, it is necessary to note also, that Engliya (whence there was a name of old believers church) is a certain stream, more likely, energy in all its kinds which proceeds from uniform and incomprehensible God-creator Ra-M-Hi. This stream arises in the center of matter congestion at galaxy formation and is connected to the stars birth. Except for Ra-M-Hi our far ancestors esteemed their first ancestors and curators, whom they also considered as gods. They also invented special images which allowed to concentrate attention and will of people majority for the nature forces control, for example, the call of a rain (and people – as small gods, therefore they should unite their will and mental energy for great deals). These images also were called as gods. Thus, our ancestors had three kinds of gods headed by the god whom they named as Ra-M-Hi. continue here http://vesna.atlantidaforum.com/?p=844

Maggie
2nd May 2017, 03:28
I am bumping this fascinating claim




Our Ancestors were visited by many other Gods as well.Tarkh was the patron (curator) of the Eastern Siberia and Far East, and Tara was the patron of the Western Siberia. The territory name became Tarkhtara commonly, descendants recalled it as Tartariya, and then this name was removed to the name of Tatars people. The God Perun visited the Midguard-land more than 40 thousand years ago from the Uray-land in the Eagle Hall on Swarozh (heavenly) Circle, he visited it the third time. He was the god-patron of all soldiers and many Great Race Clans. The god-Thundered managing with Lightnings, the son of God Swaroga and Lada-virgin. After first three Heavenly Fights between Light and Darkness when Light Forces won, the God Perun went down onto the Midguard-land to tell people about happened events and what expects Lands in the future, about approach of Dark times. Dark times represent the period of people life when they cease to honor Gods and live under Heavenly Laws and start to live under the laws which the representatives of Pekelny World imposed to them. They teach people to create laws and live according to them, so they aggravate their life, lead to degradations and self-destruction. There are Legends, that God Perun visited the Midguard-land some more times to tell Secret Wisdom to Priests and Elders of Saint Race Clans, how to prepare for dark, heavy times, when the sleeve of our swastika galaxy will pass through the spaces subjected to the forces from the Hell Dark Worlds. At this time Light Gods cease to visit their peoples, as they do not penetrate into another’s spaces, subjected to forces of these Worlds. Light Gods will start to visit Great Races Clans again with our Galaxy sleeve output from the specified spaces. The beginning of Light times starts in Sacred Summer 7 521 from W.C.S.T. or in 2 012 A.D. Then Dazhdbog arrived onto the Midguard-land – God Tarkh Perunovich, the God-keeper of ancient Great Wisdom. He was called as Dazhdbog (the giving God) because he gave people of Great Race and Heavenly Clan descendants Nine Santees (Books). These Santees were written down by ancient Runes and contained Sacred Ancient Vedas, Precepts of Tarkh Perunovich and his preaches. All inhabitants in various Worlds (Galaxies, Star Systems) and Lands, where representatives of the Ancient Clan live, live according to Ancient Wisdom, Patrimonial Principles and Rules that Clan adheres. They began to call themselves as „Dazhdbog grandsons’’ after visiting our Ancestors by God Tarkh Perunovich. Our Ancestors were visited by many other Gods as well.http://vesna.atlantidaforum.com/?p=844


This may be seen on phenomenon of 2012. According to the Vedas the subject is not end of the Mayan Calendar - indeed, other 300 Indian calendars come to the end too. This is a real astronomical event associated with the movement of our solar system - and these things can be precisely calculated well in advance. Of course, that will have consequences, but it will not be the blank game of elements.

We transcend the Galactic border of two Worlds, we return home. The forces of the World of Light will take their property back. However, the issue will not be one day in December 2012 CE - whether for us the year is 7520. But that we write in more detail later.

There have appeared a few initiative individuals who often do not even have elementary knowledge of the Slavic concept of the world, but they deal with the introduction of as if Slavic traditions, leading to the creation of colorful, variously oriented religious groups. ...........When we return back to the Slavic concept of the world it is necessary to say that it not only included the organization of life, but also knowledge of the architecture of the world, of the solar system of Yarila-Sun, of the human and our past, on the mutual interaction with the Earth, of the impact of space-galactic processes on human development, humanity as such etc.

From some angles, the worldview of Slavs and Aryans surpasses knowledge that is available to current science. Texts of Slavic-Aryan Vedas come back to the ancient past. They are not a "copy" of Indian Vedas. For example, the Rig-Vedas describe the mysterious white Aryans, who in ancient times crossed the mountains (Himalayas) and brought to the ancestors of the Indians the knowledge - Vedas.

Similar information can be found in Old Persian Avesta (Aria-Vesta). Also, the British author Arthur Kemp summarized the history of white in the book The March of the Titans, subtitled A History of White Race. It is indeed interesting reading.

Why do we know nothing of our Vedas today? They have replaced the real story by history, faith by religion, culture by civilization, and so on. These are not equivalent meanings, and certainly not the play of words. History of physical destruction of Vedas includes both the burning of books as well as physical destruction of the holders of ancient culture.

The so-called Great Moravia was actually part of Kiev Russia and Christianity was introduced to Russia by the so called “holy” knyaz Vladimir of Kiev, who allowed its creators -- the Crusaders -- to enter the country. Baptizing of Slavs lasted since year 988 till 1000 CE. While in year 988 the Kiev Russia had 13 million inhabitants in 1000 only 4 million.

Real story replaced "pious" monks by history and an evidence of the slaughter simply would not fit in.<br />Only surviving were old men and young children. Old men gradually died out and the children were taken by the monks to the Christian monasteries for controlled re-education. That is why nothing of the Vedas left in Slovakia of today.

Slavic-Aryan Vedas survived the millennium only secretly in Siberia, and some of them in Iceland. After a long time they were published in Russia in 1949. Stalin needed in the fight against fascism all, and therefore granted all the churches freedom, among them ancient, pre-Christian Pravoslavnaya Church of Old (Ancient) Believers (Pravoslavye has in fact nothing to do with Christianity and was – as usually - violently taken away from Old Believers in the 17th century for the price of 2 million victims). Freedom had quickly expired and further persecution followed. Last man was jailed for Ancient Slavic faith in 1986.<br />It is curious that some of the books of aforementioned issue of Slavic-Aryan Vedas were brought to Hollywood, USA by immigrants. Using data derived from them enabled to create popular phenomenon Star Gates, which is in fact described in the Vedas as Gates of Inter-Worlds. Although the events associated with these films are fantasies of directors, the terminology taken from Vedas is real.http://www.slavorum.org/forum/discussion/447/slavic-aryan-vedas

Maggie
3rd May 2017, 02:08
The Aurolithic Varna Civilization.

"New discoveries in Varna history one of the oldest histories in Europe, more ancient than the Pyramids in Egypt presented by Hristo Smolenov."
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References a flood of the Black sea area indundating this highly advanced civilization
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Maggie
5th May 2017, 20:16
The megalithic empire ML Harper

Nobody knows how long distance trade was carried out in Ancient Britain in the absence of literate devices such as maps and signposts, though it is known from the archaeology that everything from stone axes to bronze cauldons was moved around on a huge scale. ‘The Megalithic Empire’ was an ingenious navigational system of megalithic structures connected by visual sightings aka leylines. The organisation responsible for the upkeep of this network is shown to have operated not only in the pre-literate era of the Late Neolithic, Bronze and Iron Ages but again, using more advanced techniques, in the Dark Ages when literacy was once again at a premium. New light is thrown on hitherto shadowy groups such as the Druids, the Phoenicians and the Celtic saints.http://www.megalithomania.co.uk/2013-mick-harper-megalithic-empire.html

How Ancient Civilizations Used Megaliths to Navigate


Published on May 4, 2017
It is known from the archaeology that everything from stone axes to bronze swords were moved around on a huge scale. This video shows how ancient civilizations did it using an ingenious system of megaliths, menhirs, obelisks, dolmens, cursuses and chalk figures all linked together by stone circles.

The organisation responsible for the upkeep of this network, which included trade with the Mediterranean and Scandinavia, is identified and this Megalithic Empire is shown to have operated not only in the pre-literate era of the Bronze and Iron Ages but again in the Dark Ages. If this theory is correct, we have discovered a pretty major secret about prehistory (and after) that is secret because of silence and forgetting: Megalithia didn’t use (and maybe even actively resisted) writing, so the only physical traces it left were in the landscape.

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Maggie
5th May 2017, 22:33
New Analysis says 2,000-Year-Old Lead Codices on Jesus may be Authentic
Tuesday, December 6, 2016 (http://www.unknowncountry.com/news/new-analysis-says-2000-year-old-lead-codices-jesus-may-be-authentic)

Recent analysis of the controversial Jordan Lead Codices, a collection of 70 lead and copper books that are purported to chronicle the ministry of Jesus of Nazareth, suggests that the books are indeed two millennia old, contrary to claims being made by scholars that the documents are merely modern forgeries.

Revealed to the public in 2011, the codices were reported to have been discovered in a cave in Jordan sometime around 2006, along with a number of other early Christian artifacts. Not long afterward, numerous experts in the field began discrediting the texts, based on apparent inconsistencies in the writing styles of the script, and similarities in the iconography to earlier works.

In a press release, Professors Roger Webb and Chris Jeynes with the University of Surrey's Ion Beam Centre, say that their analysis of the lead from the main book suggests that the artifact may be between 1,800 and 2,000 years old. The codex's metal was similar in composition when compared to a sample of lead excavated from an ancient Roman site found in Dorset, England.

Modern lead would contain traces of polonium, a radioactive substance with a half-life of only 4.5 months, but the codex's pages lacked this signature, indicating that its metal was at least a century old.

Further analysis of the metal's rate of corrosion and crystallization suggested an even older origin for the book, indicating an age of roughly two millennia. "While there may be variations in decay and corrosion that depend upon the environmental conditions in which the objects were stored or hidden, there is a strong underlying theme of decay from within the metal," according to their press statement.

"It is oxidising and breaking down at atomic level to revert to its natural state. This is not witnessed in lead objects that are several centuries old and is not possible to produce by artificial acceleration (e.g. through heating)." Finally, an analysis of the metal's crystallization indicated an age of 1,800 to 2,000 years.

The codex itself depicts Jesus' attempts to restore a then 1,000-year-old Hebrew tradition that dated back to the time of King David. This tradition was based in the Temple of Solomon, where the practitioners worshiped a male-female God, as opposed to the male-only deity of later traditions.

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The tablets suggest that Christ was not starting his own religion, but restoring a thousand-year-old tradition from the time of King David.

And the God he worshipped was both male and female.

Central to the books is the idea that Christ promoted worship in Solomon's Temple where the very face of God was believed to be seen - and this is where the episode with the moneylenders in the Bible came from.

One of the books bears resemblance to how the Book of Revelations is described as it has seven seals.

The books are known as codices - types of bound manuscripts distinct from scrolls - and among them is an image of Jesus himself.

Authors David and Jennifer Elkington have been campaigning since 2009 for the codices to be recognised and protected but say evangelical Christians are trying to brand them fakes.

http://www.preteristarchive.com/Ancient_Revelations/epigraphy/images/0070_codices_001.jpg

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Maggie
6th May 2017, 03:01
this presentation is form 2009 ....... I am impressed by Edmund Marriage

The Diffusion of Megalithic Structures from the Garden of Eden - Edmund Marriage


Looking at Wandlebury Loxodrome alignment and the vast megalithic technology recently discovered in Sumeria & the Lebanon from around 9,500BC & the impact this could have on modern archaeology. Christian O'Brien's translation of the archaic Sumerian Charisa Epic cuneiform tablets, found by the University of Pennsylvania excavation in the remains of the Nippur Library in 1897-8, has provided the verifiable evidence of the re-start of agriculture and civilization following global cataclysm by benevolent survivors in Southern Lebanon around 9,500 BC. Edmund continues with the O'Brien's research adding supporting evidence on this eras incredible megalithic technology, including a report on Gobekli Tepe in Turkey.

Biography: Edmund Marriage has an expert knowledge of agronomy among ancient cultures. Not only does he promote the extraordinary work of his late uncle - Christian O'Brien, but his own research into this fascinating subject has pushed our understanding of the agricultural and pastoral developments of the early Neolithic in the ancient world back by thousands of years. He is the founder of the Patrick Foundation and Golden Age Project, an independent research body which promotes the work of Christian O'Brien and uncovers new knowledge of ancient and advanced civilisations of prehistory. He is organiser of the Stars & Stones Forum and has produced numerous DVDs on these subjects.

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He has several more videos on youtube

Learning from History Part One - Ancient Civilisation and the Golden Age, Serpent Knowledge of the Shining Ones, the Watchers and the Druids. (https://youtu.be/JT1heGsp1aw?list=PLnNyg4GLiNR2PPrSV9-_oGpXZGtFjy3kg)

Maggie
7th May 2017, 00:03
John Michell: Megalithomania Revisited - Artists & Antiquarians at the Old Stone Monuments


Published on May 6, 2017
Subscribe here: http://www.youtube.com/MegalithomaniaUK. NOTE: AUDIO ONLY - NO IMAGES.
John gave a fascinating account of the excavators, scientists, theorists and artists who have fallen under the spell of the stones for centuries and been infected by '"megalithomania".

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Elen
7th May 2017, 06:59
I believe that there are people presently here on the planet that are capable of restoring these sites...using their senses and considering the alignments in the process. A bit like a plumber fixing pipelines or an electrician sorting out the wires and connections. Not impossible in other words. :wiz:

Maggie
8th May 2017, 01:57
I believe that there are people presently here on the planet that are capable of restoring these sites...using their senses and considering the alignments in the process. A bit like a plumber fixing pipelines or an electrician sorting out the wires and connections. Not impossible in other words. :wiz:

I love your vision. Do you see anything else about it?

FYI there is a doc about Malta that I had not seen.

Malta Ancient Megaliths the Worlds Oldest Temples

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Elen
8th May 2017, 10:05
I love your vision. Do you see anything else about it?

FYI there is a doc about Malta that I had not seen.

Malta Ancient Megaliths the Worlds Oldest Temples

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Oh yes Maggie, I think there's much more to our history and heritage than sacrifices, worship, burials and wars. Don't forget that back then people were having fun and played a lot with things they created. Forget all we've learned from Religions...i.e. FEAR...and let's ponder upon these places with that in mind...:h5:;)

Maggie
10th May 2017, 19:12
This is VERY interesting


Robert Shrewsbury Shares with the AHRF his involvement with finding giant mummies when he was younger and how that lead to his studies in finding out who these giants were and how he was able to find more of them.

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Elen
11th May 2017, 06:47
This is VERY interesting

I agree with you...it's apparently not just the Smithsonian doing the looting. Who can blame the average guy from making something from of it, hey?

Maggie
11th May 2017, 15:49
I agree with you...it's apparently not just the Smithsonian doing the looting. Who can blame the average guy from making something from of it, hey?

Yes, the video was a look see into the world of the people who grew up in the areas where ancient artifacts, treasure and history are personal passions and become sources of income by looting. I thought he sounded very sincere.

Elen
13th May 2017, 10:15
Originally this material was prepared for a live presentation and so this is just the YouTube version of it. Sylvie is showing that all over the world we see the same building technique and that it has also gradually been lost over time.

Enjoy this condensed overview as a repetition but with a more resent view with more details of the bigger picture presented earlier.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVUIu90W_Xg

Maggie
13th May 2017, 23:00
SPECTACULAR.

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Chufut-Kale is a medieval city-fortress in the Crimean Mountains that now lies in ruins. It is a national monument of Crimean Karaites culture just 3 km east of Bakhchisaray.

Chufut - Calais. Crimea.
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Walk through Calais. Crimea.
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cave city of Calais
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Flyover
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Medieval ? Nah...I doubt it. Area inhabited for thousand of years? It looks so.... The rock cut caves came before neolithic hunter gatherer looking pictoglyph here seen at around 50 minutes and after


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ5QpUiSBjM

Onthebit
14th May 2017, 12:40
I love her videos, I think She should do a book series or a quarterly magazine covering all these finds. I'm still confused about the new chronology though.....How did a small group of people take over a whole planet and why???

Elen
14th May 2017, 14:34
I love her videos, I think She should do a book series or a quarterly magazine covering all these finds. I'm still confused about the new chronology though.....How did a small group of people take over a whole planet and why???

You have to look into it, but if you haven't seen this yet here is one of the first videos about the takeover.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbTTQ3d9mdk

Here is a video about Anatoly Fomenko who has put together the new Chronology with a group of other mathematicians.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCj_WZIGftI

This will take time to sink in...it's a vast subject, but ask yourself if it is possible that the planet has been duped into slavery by a few that (want to) rule over us.

Elen
15th May 2017, 18:15
Found this on YouTube and was thinking immediately that this is NOT natural as it is claimed. I've seen it before somewhere and remembered the videos with Gary Schoenung recommended by Sylvie.

Yant Flat (also known as Candy Cliffs) is a spectacular rocky plateau near Saint George in Utah, covered with colorful patterned sandstone rock formations. Yant Flat is not yet widely known but in many respects it rivals the beauty of the famous Checkerboard Mesa, The Wave, Valley of Fire, White Pocket.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgkpoNOlJ88



Part 4 of 4 - Ruins of Old Earth, a Gary Schoenung Documentary

Here is the video form October 2015 showing what I had seen, start at

12:00 - 16:00
32:27 - 35:30
42:09 - 47:00


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alLm9YVneBg

Maggie
15th May 2017, 20:45
Found this on YouTube and was thinking immediately that this is NOT natural as it is claimed. I've seen it before somewhere and remembered the videos with Gary Schoenung recommended by Sylvie.


Looks to have serious water weathering as in so many cases like this one..... Latest from Vlad

The Mysterious caves of Cales Lamanon France

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Maggie
16th May 2017, 01:48
great pictures...

GiANTs, ANTs or AtlANTeans

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Novusod
16th May 2017, 06:50
Looks to have serious water weathering as in so many cases like this one..... Latest from Vlad

The Mysterious caves of Cales Lamanon France

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This is a really interesting video. No talking or speculative theories. The pictures just speak for themselves.

This doesn't look like water erosion. The rocks seem melted.
http://i.imgur.com/YW90xYz.jpg

Maggie
17th May 2017, 04:52
This is a really interesting video. No talking or speculative theories. The pictures just speak for themselves.

This doesn't look like water erosion. The rocks seem melted.
http://i.imgur.com/YW90xYz.jpg

I have been thinking along the lines of melted stone, dissolved by chemical (sphygerics of some kind) or heat. I think about the prevalence of mirrors and how concave parabolic mirrors focus light. I never saw this article before.


Ancient Stone Cutting
Magnifying Solar Rays to Build Egyptian
and Incan Structures and Artefacts

Right at the end of the Bronze Age, it seems that mankind hit a snag and everything went south, as if a worldwide cataclysm hit and men forgot everything they learned...transitioning into the Dark Ages or the medieval period, for some...hell on earth.

Some say a worldwide famine hit. Some say a plague. Others say a comet or asteroid hit the earth to physically alter the poles as the planet shifted from the impact and from Greenland, the ancient north pole location, it was moved to where it is today. All worldwide monuments, pyramids, stonehenge, and even the Incan and Mayan citadels were oriented to a Greenland marked North Pole according to investigating archaeologists studying the possibility of a pole shift.

One of the lost technologies towards the end of the Bronze Age was stonecraft and ancient masonry technology. A technology that cannot even be replicated by our modern mechanical machines, from lathes to diamond-bit drills.

You look at the size of the huge stone blocks in the Great Pyramids, and you really wonder how they were put into place, so precisely measured and cut. One angle that often gets overlooked about ancient stone masonry is bronze age stonecraft pottery using hard igneous rock. In Cairo Museum's Old Kingdom rooms are dozens of vases, bowls, large lidded boxes, and statues, carved from schist, diorite, granite and obsidian, with no easy answer as to how ancient sculptors carve their shapes with such precision.

Modern stonecraft experts and masons tell us that even with today's power tools and diamond lathes and drills, the same pottery stonecraft cannot be replicated at all. Much less for the perceived tools of the ancient Egyptians such as pounding balls, and copper and stone tools as theorized by archaeological experts.

All the ancient Egyptian carved artifacts have very modern clean lines and perfect proportions, that make the New Kingdom items seem baroque by comparison. Life-size diorite and granite statues have satin-smooth surfaces, and delicately carved features, as if coming from a mold.

A geologist and a machine tool manufacturer describes the nature of these ancient stone artifacts, Professor Ivan Watkins, assigned at the Department of Earth Sciences, at St. Cloud University in Minnesota, says that the primary indicator of how a stone was processed or 'worked' is the condition of the surface of the material at the microscopic level. During his investigation, it was found that Incan and Egyptian stonemasonry had similar workmanship, indicating that the same technology was available across both nations at the time.

Because hard igneous rocks are extremely tough to cut, a mechanical and physical method of cutting them would leave uneven mineral surfaces because the rock would naturally crack along low angles if it was hammered. Because stones like granite contain a mix of minerals with varying degrees of hardness, force applied to the stone's surface ( hammering, grinding, polishing with abrasives ) would cause the weaker planes to crack naturally and the tougher parts to keep together.

All of the ancient stonecraft seen in Incan and Egyptian monuments and stoneware show smooth and slick surfaces, which means the rock was not processed in the manner that archaeologists claim.

The stone-crafting methods used seem to indicate that extreme heat was used to melt quartz fragments into a glaze that fills in irregularities, creating a smooth surface. Watkins sees the same slick stones with Incan stonemasonry at Machu Picchu and Ollantaytambo, and the Rodadero at Sacsayhuaman. The stones keeping an almost a ceramic glaze.

Heat? Interesting.
- See more at: http://www.reach-unlimited.com/p/1241403463/secret-solar-tech--ancient-stone-cutting-methods-by-incans-and-egyptians#sthash.jLNbpo6p.dpuf

Visit to the Dendera Underground... has been posted before but here worth affirming. What the Global civilization knew...

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Maggie
17th May 2017, 05:50
Sonic Geometry 2 : Communicating with the Universe in 432hz

440hz vs 432 hz - Though it defies all logical explanation, it appears that our ancient ancestors living in Sumeria 6,000 years ago were “gifted” by “sky-visitors” with certain information that could only be verified by present-day technology. #432Hz

What is this information? It is the explanation of how frequency reveals mechanical movements found throughout the universe, how certain harmonics contain keys and codes to unlock the very process of creation, and how one particular math system reveals the very matrix of existence. Is this information new? No it is not. It has been laying dormant in our geometry, in our system of keeping time, in the way we measure our world, and in certain symbols we find all around us but have lost the connection to their true meaning.

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modwiz
17th May 2017, 06:19
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I switched to 432 tuning 2010. My song writing skyrocketed and my singing abilty improved. Especially harmonies. In a band, I will only play with those who use sacred tuning. Where I live, there are many of them and some new adopters transition easily. Jam sessions are different. 440 is still what the average musician will tune to. It's what everybody else does.

Elen
17th May 2017, 07:47
I have been thinking along the lines of melted stone, dissolved by chemical (sphygerics of some kind) or heat. I think about the prevalence of mirrors and how concave parabolic mirrors focus light. I never saw this article before.



Visit to the Dendera Underground... has been posted before but here worth affirming. What the Global civilization knew...

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I have wondered many times about how they lit up inside caves, hallways and rooms without leaving any burn-marks anywhere. Were the "Egyptian Mirrors" something different than mirrors? Were they actually "electrical" torch lights?

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Note that the handle is made of a different material than the copper plate.

Maggie
17th May 2017, 15:08
I have wondered many times about how they lit up inside caves, hallways and rooms without leaving any burn-marks anywhere. Were the "Egyptian Mirrors" something different than mirrors? Were they actually "electrical" torch lights?

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/46/cd/b4/46cdb4e8fbaaf38dbcb31cd8c292f1ee.jpg

Note that the handle is made of a different material than the copper plate.

YES. That makes so much sense.

More info here
A short history of ancient electricity (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_hitech05.htm)
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This has good info here


Lighthouse of Alexandria,
one of the Seven Wonders of the Ancient World

The lighthouse of Alexandria was one of the Seven wonders of the Ancient World. Atop the Pharos Lighthouse of Alexandria stood a great mirror, a reflective telescope, and electric searchlight, all in one. You might ask: Did the ancient Egyptians really have electric lights? The answer is in the affirmative and the abundant evidence of its existence follows:

The great Egyptologist John Gardner Wilkinson, author of Materia Hieroglyphica and Manners and Customs of the Ancient Egyptians, pointed out that the ancient Egyptian “paintings offer few representations of lamps, torches, or any other kind of light.” Why—when they repeatedly illustrate almost every other Egyptian article? The answer lies in the fact that modern authorities are simply not looking for electric lights on the ancient monuments so they simply do not recognize them!

An ancient Egyptian goddess holding up electric filament lamps to read hieroglyphics
http://www.historyinsidepictures.com/siteimages/L14.JPG

In her 1877 edition of Isis Unveiled, Madame H. P. Blavatsky wrote: "If we possess but little proof of the ancients having had any clear notions as to all the effects of electricity, there is very strong evidence, at all events, of their having been perfectly acquainted with electricity itself. 'Ben David,' says the author of The Occult Sciences, ''has asserted that Moses possessed some knowledge of the phenomena of electricity.' Professor Hirt, of Berlin, is of this opinion."

"Michaelis remarks—firstly: 'that there is no indication that lightning ever struck the temple of Jerusalem, during a thousand years. Secondly, that according to Josephus, a forest of points . . . of gold and very sharp, covered the roof of the temple. Thirdly, that this roof communicated with the caverns in the hill upon which the temple was situated, by means of pipes in connection with the gilding [electroplating?] which covered all the exterior of the building; in consequence of which the points would act as conductors.'”

A royal light anointing ceremony with "a forest of points"
protecting a temple at Denderah from lightning
http://www.historyinsidepictures.com/siteimages/L15.JPG

Hymn XV-1 of the sacred Sanskrit verses of the Indian Atharvaveda, dating back to around 1,000 B.C., declares: "O well-versed engineer make use of this terrible electric power fit to be utilized for useful purposes by controlling it, for non-violent, brilliant light like the dawn [like a brilliant carbon arc light]. It has the potentiality to help hearing, control energy, and spread light in all quarters." (Devi Chand's translation)

An ancient Egyptian illustration of a filament type of electric lamp
with three bulbs and its power cord, emblazoned on a tomb wall
http://www.historyinsidepictures.com/siteimages/L16.jpg


Another verse of Chand's translation states: "O current electricity of high voltage, safely carried by electric wires, you kill many enemies in the war, waged by learned persons or through the help of natural forces. (Hymn XXXVII-4) This verse certainly shows that the Indians (Buddhists) utilized electrical technology in antiquity, just like the Egyptians. The "electric wires" may have been in cables like the one above.

Buddhist Priests shooing insects away from an ancient electric searchlight
http://www.historyinsidepictures.com/siteimages/L17.JPG

The illustration above confirms Devi Chand's translation of verse XV-1 of the Atharvaveda. Here we have a Buddhist electric mirror (searchlight), "brilliant like the dawn," cut into a third-century-B.C. stone monument dug up at the ancient "Hill of Lights" in the ruins of a stupa at Amaravati, in modern-day India. Note the electrical guts, and fly whisks used to chase insects away from the bright light.

Carbon arc searchlights illustrated in one of the crypts
under the ancient Egyptian temple at Denderah
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Wilkinson's mention of the lack of evidence for the “use of torches” by the ancient Egyptians reminds us of what the renowned astronomer Sir J. Norman Lockyer, who studied ancient Egyptian temples and tombs in depth, reported in 1894. In his Dawn of Astronomy, he pointed out an enigma—at the time—when he wrote: "In all freshly-opened tombs there are no traces whatever of any kind of combustion having taken place, even in the inner-most recesses. So strikingly evident is this that my friend M. Bouriant, while we were discussing this matter at Thebes, laughingly suggested the possibility that the electric light was known to the ancient Egyptians." That “possibility” has become reality. Now we know the ancient Egyptians did, indeed, know all about “the electric light” and used it to illuminate the night sky as well as temples and tombs—and it is no longer a laughing matter.

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Egyptian deities presenting Hathor with an electric lamp, battery and cable

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Egyptian goddess Isis sitting on her throne before four large filament lights
powered by a huge electric battery in the Temple of Denderah
She is saluted with a small battery powered light.

Lucian of Samosata on the Euphrates spoke of a Syrian goddess who wore an electric light on her head. This second-century historian maintained: "She bears on her head a stone called a 'lamp,' and it receives its name from its function. That stone shines in the night with great clarity and provides the whole temple with light, as with [oil] lamps. In the daytime, it shines dimly, but has a very fiery aspect." The "lamp" may have resembled the one worn by the goddess of light Hathor or one of the four large electric lights behind the light goddess Isis in the temple at Denderah illustrated above.

A couple of centuries later, in his City of God, St. Augustine (354—430 A.D.) pointed out that in Egypt, “There was, and still is, a temple of Venus, in which a lamp burns so strongly in the open air that no storm or rain extinguishes it.” He blamed “the reality” of this marvelous lamp, which was likely an arc light, on the miracles of the “black arts” performed by demons and men. He wrote:

"We add to that inextinguishable lamp a host of other marvels of human and of magical origin—that is miracles of the demon’s black arts performed by men, and miracles performed by the demons themselves. If we choose to deny the reality of these, we shall ourselves be in conflict with the truth of the sacred books in which we believe. Thus either human ingenuity has devised in that inextinguishable lamp some contrivance based on the asbestos stone [carbon] or else it was contrived by magic art to give men something to marvel at in that shrine; or perhaps some demon presented himself there under the name of Venus with which such effect that this prodigy was displayed to the public there and continued there for so many years."

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Photographs of an arc light from
the collection of Larry Brian Radka

St. Augustine also claimed that the asbestos stone "has no fire of its own, and yet, when it has received fire, blazes so fiercely with a fire not its own that it cannot be quenched.” This points to the carbon in an arc light receiving its fire from an electric source—an ancient battery—“not its own.”

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Furthermore, he also claimed “no storm or rain extinguishes it.” This also points to the electric arc light because Chamber’s Encyclopaedia maintains that it “can be produced in a vacuum, and below the surface of water, oils, and other non-conducting liquids, and it is thus quite independent of the action of the air.”

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Denderah-temple electric lights with wiring schematics, bulbs, and batteries

Hopefully, the schematic of the (red) batteries hooked up to the (white) electric lights in B above will convince even the most dedicated skeptic that that these ancient Egyptian illustrations passed on to us at Denderah are indeed electric lights. Here, we see one end of the battery cable loops (like those in A)—which serve also as carrying straps when not connected to a lamp—disconnected from their batteries and hooked up to the electric lamps that they are powering.

The arrangement at the top of illustration B apparently has two (hidden) electric bulbs (each powered by its own battery) inside the flower-designed reflector, and two separate white lights are beaming upward out of its Lotus (a sun or light symbol) reflector. The batteries below it are tied together in parallel and supply power to two more reflective bulb holders. The drawing of this type of electrical arrangement is repeated at least three more times on the walls of the temple at Denderah.

In C, three Egyptian electric lights sit on a stand that contains their power source—accessed by what appears to be a tall, narrow door in the front of it. Notice the two loops in the cables at the base of the stem of the lamp with the lotus shade or reflector on the center of the stand. One probably runs to the positive and the other to the negative terminals of its battery.

In D, four electric lamps with flower reflectors on a cornice seem to be connected in series with wire nuts, but internal wires in their cables may connect them in parallel instead. (We added labels and colors in all of these illustrations for emphasis.)

“Whenever, in the pride of some new discovery, we throw a look into the past, we find, to our dismay, certain vestiges which indicate the possibility, if not the certainty, that the alleged discovery was not totally unknown to the ancients,” wrote Madame H. P. Blavatsky, in Isis Unveiled, well over a hundred years ago. “It is generally asserted that neither the early inhabitants of the Mosaic times, nor even the more civilized nations of the Ptolemaic period were acquainted with electricity. If we remain undisturbed in this opinion, it is not for the lack of proofs to the contrary.”

Ancient history confirms Blavatsky's observations with respect to the Pharos lighthouse at Alexandria, Egypt, which is discussed in detail in The Electric Mirror on the Pharos Lighthouse and Other Ancient Lighting.

Elen
17th May 2017, 16:42
Oh my goodness Maggie...you are acting like an "Oracle"...I ask a question...and before you can blink...there it is! Yes yes, so much for Thomas Edison etc. it was just re-remembered after all. I've known this, but couldn't prove a thing. Thanks Maggie!

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Novusod
18th May 2017, 06:21
The thing to understand about the Dynastic Egyptians is that they did NOT build many of the great megalithic wonders. The pyramids for example are thousands of years older than the dynastic Egyptians and were built by a much more advanced civilization. Egyptian society was very much Cargo Cultish in nature Worshiping the original builders and winged disks as gods.

A lot of the Egyptian carvings and hand signals resemble Airport signal marshals.

http://i.imgur.com/i9kDKVU.jpg

Is this man doing an Egyptian ritual or directing air traffic? Maybe there is no difference.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvoNVVWFoo8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9d8EQ1mMbFU

Elen
18th May 2017, 06:46
Interesting analogy Novusod...we are already using Glyph replacements with our Internet Symbols.

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Maggie
18th May 2017, 15:24
The thing to understand about the Dynastic Egyptians is that they did NOT build many of the great megalithic wonders. The pyramids for example are thousands of years older than the dynastic Egyptians and were built by a much more advanced civilization. Egyptian society was very much Cargo Cultish in nature Worshiping the original builders and winged disks as gods.

A lot of the Egyptian carvings and hand signals resemble Airport signal marshals.


Is this man doing an Egyptian ritual or directing air traffic? Maybe there is no difference.


That's an interesting thought. What do you see implied there?

I also think from the appearance at many places in Egypt, damage was done by some major calamity. In the Joe Rogan/ Graham Hancock, Randall Carlson & Michael Shermer video (https://youtu.be/tFlAFo78xoQ)(one that displays expert skeptics inability to agree something MAJOR was obliterated before "our" historic civilization) much is made of the gap between around 10,900 and 5000 BCE. The landscape of Egypt shows that stones and debris are everywhere. It looks like it was covered?

It seems to me that the resurgence of Egypt thousands of years after the disaster "NEW COMERS"came in from elsewhere and brought the restart to Egypt of culture. The Egyptians admittedly worshiped what they knew of Zep Tepi. MEANWHILE the indigenous people (ancestors of Dogon) had something they could share and there was a new start and surely much was "idolized" and made religious.

Maggie
19th May 2017, 01:27
I have respect for Brien Forester



Crimson Horizon - The Mysterious Red-Haired Sea Kings of the Pacific

The people of the Pacific known by most as "Polynesians" remain a mystery to scholars and the public alike as to their origins. While most academics in the fields of archaeology and anthropology strongly insist that they exclusively came from south east Asia, other researchers, and the oral traditions of the people themselves often differ with this opinion. The presence of red hair, called "Ehu" in Hawaii and "Uru Kehu" in some of the ancient and present populations suggest connections, in the distant past, with sea farers from coastal Peru, especially the Paracas, to account for this. The famous explorer Thor Heyerdahl was insitent that there were ancient connections between Peru and the Pacific Islands, and this book attempts to solve this riddle, without delving into Celtic or other possible European ancestry. Come explore the possibilities through science, wind directions, sea currents, sculpture, and oral traditions.

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Elen
19th May 2017, 10:52
I have respect for Brien Forester

So do I...

Academia seem to insist never to talk to the native people or listen to the Lore anywhere at all. As Brien said: "This has to stop now!" I love his rants through this presentation, he shows a lot of empathy and passion in conjunction with knowledge...which is a good combination.

Elen
19th May 2017, 14:41
Interesting legends and stories about giants and Merlin.


Published on 4 May 2017

This time our journey takes us to North America, a land full of ancient secrets that remain unsolved.There is substantial evidence for a former race of giants in North America and its 150-year suppression by the Smithsonian Institution Did the first American colonists encounter them and began finding their bones buried in mounds and cities all over the continent ? Who were these ancient giants? Did some really have six toes? Were some related to the elongated-skull peoples of Peru?

Analyzing the historical and archaeological evidence, this video provides ample proof that our ancestors in the ancient Americas were much taller and a lot more mysterious than we imagine. Their exploits inspired the Native Americans to keep oral accounts of these mysterious giants, who left behind strange artifacts, massive cities of burial mounds, and the remains of a vast copper-mining network.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EddOwk2OWw

Elen
19th May 2017, 17:00
I never heard of this man before, but he is giving a pretty encompassing lecture on the subject. And this is somewhere in your North American neighbourhood.


Published on 14 May 2017

The Iroquois, the Osage, the Tuscaroras, the Huron, the Omahas, and many other North American Indians all speak of giant men who once lived and roamed in the territories of their forefathers.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0hGzzuuJE4

Dreamtimer
19th May 2017, 19:05
I've heard of this guy, somewhere along the line. Thanks for reminding me of him and his work.:thup: I did some quick looking.

He and his brother have a History Channel show about the lost colony of Roanoke (https://www.gaia.com/video/search-lost-giants-jim-vieira).

He wrote a book with Hugh Newman called Giants on Record (https://www.amazon.com/Giants-Record-Americas-History-Smithsonian/dp/0956786510).

He was banned from a TED (https://tedxshelburnefalls.wordpress.com/2012/12/14/jim-vieiras-talk-removed-from-internet/) talk in 2012.

He was on "Beyond Belief" (https://www.gaia.com/video/search-lost-giants-jim-vieira) with Noory last year.

In August Jim and Hugh were on MegalithomaniaUK (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obwPEdYgaPk) about their book. They wrote an article (https://grahamhancock.com/vieiranewman1/) on Graham Hancock's site. Lots of pictures and info in that one.

Dreamtimer
19th May 2017, 21:54
At 23:58, in this video, Vieira focuses on the window in the chamber's back. To me, the large rock to the left of the window contains the profile of a face face. You can see an eye, a nose and an ear. I can, anyway.

ZShawn
20th May 2017, 00:54
there are so many faked giant photos circulating like the thumbnail on the video where the guys are pushing the huge skull on a trolley..... there is an original...I saw it a number of years ago and there is no skull in that photo ...so it is likely a photo-chop job....
not saying there weren't giants, but we are unlikely to ever see any actual real evidence

Elen
20th May 2017, 05:17
I've heard of this guy, somewhere along the line. Thanks for reminding me of him and his work.:thup: I did some quick looking.

He and his brother have a History Channel show about the lost colony of Roanoke (https://www.gaia.com/video/search-lost-giants-jim-vieira).

He wrote a book with Hugh Newman called Giants on Record (https://www.amazon.com/Giants-Record-Americas-History-Smithsonian/dp/0956786510).

He was banned from a TED (https://tedxshelburnefalls.wordpress.com/2012/12/14/jim-vieiras-talk-removed-from-internet/) talk in 2012.

He was on "Beyond Belief" (https://www.gaia.com/video/search-lost-giants-jim-vieira) with Noory last year.

In August Jim and Hugh were on MegalithomaniaUK (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obwPEdYgaPk) about their book. They wrote an article (https://grahamhancock.com/vieiranewman1/) on Graham Hancock's site. Lots of pictures and info in that one.

Thanks that is helpful!


At 23:58, in this video, Vieira focuses on the window in the chamber's back. To me, the large rock to the left of the window contains the profile of a face face. You can see an eye, a nose and an ear. I can, anyway.

I can see it too.


there are so many faked giant photos circulating like the thumbnail on the video where the guys are pushing the huge skull on a trolley..... there is an original...I saw it a number of years ago and there is no skull in that photo ...so it is likely a photo-chop job....
not saying there weren't giants, but we are unlikely to ever see any actual real evidence

I know a man 7 foot tall...if that counts, he's alive and kicking...why do we have to look for skeletons?

Dreamtimer
20th May 2017, 07:25
To me, the treatment of these bones, apparently by the Smithsonian, is terrible. Taking the bones and then 'losing' them, again and again.

Lincoln talked about the Giants. And now we just say hoax.

The professionals can't talk about oral histories because that's not part of their toolkit. Specialization combined with lack of inter-disciplinary dialogue isn't very smart.

And so this part of our history, like so much else, is messed up.

Tom Horn and Chris Putnam came across an interesting story of giants told by an Apache friend in Arizona. Some ancestors encountered a reptile priest who taught them certain rituals to do in the kiva. When they did these rituals, the ground opened up, giants came out and began killing and eating the people who had to flee. The giants ended up cannibalizing each other.:belief:

Elen
20th May 2017, 07:35
To me, the treatment of these bones, apparently by the Smithsonian, is terrible. Taking the bones and then 'losing' them, again and again.

Lincoln talked about the Giants. And now we just say hoax.

The professionals can't talk about oral histories because that's not part of their toolkit. Specialization combined with lack of inter-disciplinary dialogue isn't very smart.

And so this part of our history, like so much else, is messed up.

Tom Horn and Chris Putnam came across an interesting story of giants told by an Apache friend in Arizona. Some ancestors encountered a reptile priest who taught them certain rituals to do in the kiva. When they did these rituals, the ground opened up, giants came out and began killing and eating the people who had to flee. The giants ended up cannibalizing each other.:belief:

Yeah and to put more pain into the mix...it's a world-wide thing. Everywhere else, some "Military force" real or imagined, show up and clear the area for evidence. And also....this....:eyebrows: If there were so many of the giants about...maybe a shortage of food became evident...hence the cannibalizing thingo...? Personally, I wouldn't like to meet one just now. Unless I'm absolutely sure of some kind of kindness...:p

Maggie
21st May 2017, 03:41
As in previous videos, vlad lets the pictures speak for themselves. Complete and utter devastation is what it looks like to me.

Published on May 20, 2017
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Maggie
21st May 2017, 03:50
Published on Oct 22, 2016
Lucy Wyatt - Psychedelics, Civilisation & the Indo-European Legacy

We assume that cities evolved out of a farming experiment at the end of the Ice Age 7000 years ago. What if that isn’t so? What if the whole concept of civilisation is actually the result of secret psychedelic experiences of an elite priesthood who used certain substances to astral-plane and download the basic principles of cities? This talk explores the evidence for suggesting that it is time for shamanism to 'come out of the jungle' and be acknowledged in its true context as a sophisticated stimulus for the original ancient cities.
Lucy Wyatt is an independent researcher and writer. In 2010 she published 'Approaching Chaos - could an ancient archetype save C21st civilization?' which proposes that cities appeared not from a farming experiment but a shamanically accessed blueprint. She has given talks at alternative events and festivals such as Secret Garden Party and Green Gathering. In 2013 and 2015 she gave papers at Breaking Convention linking psychedelics and civilisation. She has run 'Eternal Knowledge Festival' for two years. She comes from Cambridge, has an MA from Sussex University in European Studies and is now working on an eco-conversion project in Somerset.

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Published on Oct 30, 2016
Earth energies explored. Telluric currents, what they are, what they do and how our ancestors used to manipulate them. Stephen offers a real 'hands on' approach to show how our ancestors may have manipulated telluric currents with monoliths and stone circles.

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Published on Jan 30, 2017
Serena Roney-Dougal is one of the few people in Britain to have obtained a PhD for a parapsychological thesis, exploring the relationship between subliminal perception and psychic awareness. She has had over 40 years of study and experience in scientific, magical and spiritual explorations of the psyche, has lectured and taught courses, seminars and workshops in America, Britain, Europe, Japan and India; has written numerous articles both technical and popular, and two books; Where Science and Magic Meet and The Faery Faith. She is a founder of Friends of Bride's Mound.

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Maggie
21st May 2017, 05:16
Elen suggested this post might be useful here (from Cosmic Emporium thread)


I agree, but I'm ENTP (http://www.humanmetrics.com/personality/entp) (heavy on the E)...So finding assistance hasn't been an issue yet with youtube and skype treating me well in that arena (mostly for physics, I'm not the goodest at math and need my hand held at times when trudging through formuli)

I want to speak Russian so I can go to the Ukraine where hardly anyone speaks English. I think Ukraine has amazing ancient sites.
Youtube is getting me started. I love youtube!!

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Elen
21st May 2017, 08:42
A Michael Cremo lecture on the Vimanas...very interesting


Published on 24 Feb 2017

By studying the ancient Sanskrit texts with great attention to detail, we can rediscover prehistoric aviation activities of the Indian gods. India was the land of flying machines described in many ancient texts like Yajurveda, Mahabharata, Samarangana Sutradhara, Rigweda, Ramayana and even more ancient ones.

There are no physical remains of ancient Indian aircraft, but the Vedic literature delivers plenty of descriptions of flying machines called Vimanas. The Sanskrit saying “Vimana vidya” means “the science of building and piloting airships” so the term Vimana can easily be translated as “flying machine”.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa6-PLnqbmw

Dreamtimer
21st May 2017, 15:32
Those Vimanas are a little like the stacked crown style hat the Pope has worn. The Pope's hat is a little more conical, but not terribly dissimilar.

And of course there's DEVO.
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Maggie
22nd May 2017, 02:15
Shermer should talk to the same people to whom Gabi Plume and Peter Marsh talked or at least watch their videos.



'We have just finished up at the Friday Harbour Film Festival and it was the most exhilarating of experiences with hundreds of people attending and the theatres full to bursting. On one day they turned 30 people away from the theatre where our two films were showing because it was packed out. The quality of films was amazingly high and we feel so privileged to have been an Official selection of the FHFF committee.
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January 28 ·
A nice comment from; Hapi Studios
Many of us maori have known many of these things and not the ability to present in an evidence based way. After colonization there are many things that we have been forbidden to speak about and im not even sure of the reason why. But I know that we are slowly uncovering truth but we know that it is very important to have the truth to restore because the dead are crying out to the living to be heard and your work is just amazing I hope you continue to find support in the wonderful truths and to restore a nations history and identity

#3 of "Skeletons in The Closet" Trilogy
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Maggie
22nd May 2017, 02:32
I am enjoying Robert Sepehr's videos. Here are just two


Basque People Rh- Negative Blood and Antediluvian Civilizations (Robert Sepehr)

Nestled in the mountains between France and Spain, there is a semi-isolated population of native European people that have long puzzled anthropologists, linguists, and historians, because although they are Caucasoid, they do not fit in with the rest of the European populations. Robert Sepehr

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The Ramayana is an ancient Aryan epic poem that is famous in India and Southeast Asia about King Rama who must save his kidnapped wife from the demon king of Lanka, aided by an army of monkeys. Robert Sepehr

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modwiz
22nd May 2017, 03:45
Vlad and Sepher have great youtube channels. Almost every video is worth watching. Much to observe and learn from.

Maggie
22nd May 2017, 15:44
Vlad and Sepher have great youtube channels. Almost every video is worth watching. Much to observe and learn from.

I agree. They find information others have gathered and share it. The video below has an older documentary that talks about a "maritime archaic" red paint people. Apparently red ochre may be a common element in a global sophisticated maritime culture.


In many ancient societies, red ochre was associated with blood and therefore with both life and death. It was used in body decoration, medicines, wood and sail preservatives, compounds for dying and preserving skins, as well as preparations used on the dead. Ochre-painted bones dated to 62,000 years ago were found in Australia. The practice was also common in Mesoamerica. In parts of Asia, cinnabar was used instead.

Ancient Pict warriors (Scotland) painted themselves with red ochre. The Celts (England and Ireland) were called “red men” from their habit of painting themselves with a substance called bog iron. The Chumash Indians (California) used red ochre in their body paint. The Moche (Peru) used it in face paint. Ancient Egyptian women used red ochre for their lipstick and rouge. Australian Aborigines used different color ochre pigments (red, yellow, brown) for their body and rock paintings.

In many other cases, red pigment was rubbed on a sacred object in order to awaken its power.https://misfitsandheroes.wordpress.com/tag/red-ochre/


Red Ochre, Red Paint, and the Peopling of the Americas
Did you know that a sea-faring American tribe explored the shores of North America 7000 years ago? Or that these ancient Americans rivaled their European counterparts in navigational skills several millennia before the Vikings? Robert Sepehr

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At 51.04 there is a device that is reminding me of the celtic cross.

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The "mainstream" archaeologists in the doc posted have already found the evidence of a sophisticated techno people traveling by sea 4000 years ago. They had navigational skill, tools and and instruments

It is SOOOOO frustrating but exciting that the evidence is already there to see. One thing that I see is despite the world wide commonalities, people want to consider it mere coincidence still and I am not sure what the deep principle of negation of an ancient global civilization IS ABOUT????

IMO, to advance the "bottom line" agreement, people like Sepher who gather and synthesize the "record" are so valuable. Some sort of interactive encyclopedia of connected dots would be great to present to the ever derogatory, the falsely self described skeptics (really naysayers).

modwiz
22nd May 2017, 19:35
I think this belongs in this thread. If this find is correct we may need to adjust geology and the time era assignations. This would tie into the historical cover-up that seems to be fairly evident watching the Newearth series of videos. Dinosaurs may have been here for tens of millions years, I do not doubt that but, it looks like they stayed around a lot longer. This would correlate with the many rock painting depicting dinosaurs.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMzeMQKGAHs

Maggie
23rd May 2017, 17:12
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ZShawn
24th May 2017, 02:26
I think this belongs in this thread. If this find is correct we may need to adjust geology and the time era assignations. This would tie into the historical cover-up that seems to be fairly evident watching the Newearth series of videos. Dinosaurs may have been here for tens of millions years, I do not doubt that but, it looks like they stayed around a lot longer. This would correlate with the many rock painting depicting dinosaurs.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMzeMQKGAHs

There certainly is enough evidence that has cropped up which challenges the official narratives.... personally i lean towards the idea that all our history is completely made up.... for the past 30 years i have seen nothing that refutes that idea, only more evidence that adds to its credibility

Elen
24th May 2017, 15:55
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Mechanical devises are fascinating indeed they are...but it's what they DON'T TELL YOU is a big problem for me...LOVE the ancient building technique of Japan. Just wonderful it is...:D

Synagex
28th May 2017, 18:39
More interesting documentaries from Russia. Most of it sits well with me, and it is indeed great information revealed for the first time in English.

Did survivors from an ancient global cataclysm spread their culture and technology across the planet? How old is "ancient"? Do you wonder about the similarity of peoples far-flung from one another, ancient texts, and modern artifacts showing up in odd places? Fascinated by stories of ancient wars... do you have memories of them? Get insights with new info, much never before available in English.

Part 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdbB6lbI5tc

Part 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFjfzFpdsPA

Part 3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_IOshMoWz0

To be continued...what an excellent find Elen I have continued to watch this series and am on 14. Explains a lot, she often mentions the parasites and the invasion of this planet by them can you or anyone else share any info on who these parasites are in the lady's point of view and yours. Maybe she mentions more about them latter ?

Elen
29th May 2017, 05:27
what an excellent find Elen I have continued to watch this series and am on 14. Explains a lot, she often mentions the parasites and the invasion of this planet by them can you or anyone else share any info on who these parasites are in the lady's point of view and yours. Maybe she mentions more about them latter ?

Synagex, glad that you find the info interesting, and no, I mean NO we or she have not put a name on the parasites, but parasites in general is something we can all agree upon. ;) On this thread we are attempting to explore artifacts and signs that can be seen clearly as signs of our true history, rather than what has been "given" to us officially.

modwiz
29th May 2017, 05:55
what an excellent find Elen I have continued to watch this series and am on 14. Explains a lot, she often mentions the parasites and the invasion of this planet by them can you or anyone else share any info on who these parasites are in the lady's point of view and yours. Maybe she mentions more about them latter ?

I do not recall an invasion of the planet. Both groups are from Atlantis in this narrative. The parasites would then be the Sons of Belial, mentioned in Cayce's work on Atlantis.

Elen
29th May 2017, 09:44
I do not recall an invasion of the planet. Both groups are from Atlantis in this narrative. The parasites would then be the Sons of Belial, mentioned in Cayce's work on Atlantis.

Thank you for pointing that out modwiz...but I didn't want to go into E. Cayce, he was a channeler and has been wrong about a few things, so as a rule I would not base anything on channeled material.

modwiz
29th May 2017, 10:34
Thank you for pointing that out modwiz...but I didn't want to go into E. Cayce, he was a channeler and has been wrong about a few things, so as a rule I would not base anything on channeled material.

Chose my words with care by calling it a narrative. I use a little of my own memory here but, feel more comfortable pointing at Cayce. You have a valid point about the source. His remedies have proven themselves then and over time.

Aianawa
30th May 2017, 23:53
Loved hearing Target T on recent TOTcast talking so highly of this thread once he found it > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR8rjfVYG_A&t=467s < feel many many will enjoy as I did, having their minds opened to the past and present truth found here, love your work and guidance found here Elen.

Elen
31st May 2017, 04:36
Loved hearing Target T on recent TOTcast talking so highly of this thread once he found it > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR8rjfVYG_A&t=467s < feel many many will enjoy as I did, having their minds opened to the past and present truth found here, love your work and guidance found here Elen.

Thank you kindly Aianawa...it's appreciated!

Elen
31st May 2017, 09:42
This isn't mainstream and although it's lacking the normal sophisticated HD quality that we get from Sylvie, it's still worth while looking at and listen to. There are interesting maps and pictures that you may not have seen so far.


Published on 28 May 2017

Our oceans are greatly unexplored and full of secrets. Deep beneath the waters there are marvelous ruins of a lost ancient civilizations. Mysterious and strange, these ancient cities and buildings survived during sometimes more than 1000 years, protected by water. Deeply hidden in the sea because of natural phenomena, they have been fundamental discoveries for archeologists and they confirmed a lot of myths and legends.

There’s a reason that stories of Atlantis and other lost civilizations have long captured our imaginations. The idea that an entire city could just vanish beneath the waves is a terrifying thought. While these lost underwater cities aren’t the mythical Atlantis, that’s exactly what happened to them, and their haunting remains have been documented by divers and archaeologists. Submerged ruins can be of considerable importance. While Atlantis remains a legend, archaeological underwater sites the size of Pompeii have been discovered. Some are the remains of the first settlements, while others were built during the apex of sophisticated ancient civilizations.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJ-lbKbxSt8

Aianawa
31st May 2017, 22:39
Does this fit in >
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Elen
1st June 2017, 08:42
Does this fit in >

It fits perfectly Aianawa. In places you can see that it's been built and then eroded and/or carved. Interestingly it reminded me of the Chines Terracotta Army...out in the open. I'm glad you posted it here...TA.

Elen
1st June 2017, 12:48
Published on Oct 30, 2016
Earth energies explored. Telluric currents, what they are, what they do and how our ancestors used to manipulate them. Stephen offers a real 'hands on' approach to show how our ancestors may have manipulated telluric currents with monoliths and stone circles.

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I'm bumping post 445, because it gives a clue to what can be done when power-sites have been altered or abused. They really can be restored. IT IS POSSIBLE!

Maggie
3rd June 2017, 02:59
This video has cave faces just like we see in so many places that look like they were more than weathered...like they were melted as Novusod said.

Exploring The Ancient Cliff Dwelling Of Montezuma's Castle In Arizona

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The Hopi are just one group that say they were helped by strange beings when the world was hit by a firy catyclysm.
Who are the ant people?

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“The Hopi are connected to so many different entities,” David said, “that we might think of as extraterrestrial today. They have the idea of the ‘Sky People,’ or ‘Sky Elders,’ coming down to the Earth. One particular group of people that the Hopi have talked about in their legends—and I found evidence of this in the rock art there—are the Ant People, a very important group that helped the Hopi out during the destruction of two different worlds.”

That Hopi sense of history goes like this: the first world was destroyed by fire, which may have manifested itself as an asteroid strike or some kind of volcanism. The second world was destroyed by ice, indicating the ice age or an extremely cold period. The Ant People led the Hopis down into caverns where they survived the terrible cataclysms being suffered by the Earth. The Ant People also taught the Hopis to sprout beans in the caverns in order to feed the people, an event commemorated even today by the ritual Bean Dance

“The Ant People are basically benevolent creatures,” David said. “In the pictures I’ve seen in the rock art there are antennae on these creatures and they have spindly bodies and large eyes and bulbous heads. Some of these creatures assume what’s called a ‘prayer stance.’ That means that both arms are raised at their sides above their heads and the elbows are at right angles. This is a traditional stance that you see all over the Southwest in rock art. Also, in the Freemasonry lore, it’s called ‘the grand hailing sign of distress.’ So maybe this information from ancient times was filtered through the Knights Templar and eventually the Freemasons, this very ancient knowledge about the Sky People coming down.”

There is also a linguistic link with the Anunnaki of ancient Sumeria, thought by revered scholar Zachariah Sitchin and others to be the alien race that came down from the sky to teach man the ways of civilization.

“It’s funny,” David said, “but the Hopi word for ‘ant’ is ‘Anu,’ and the Hopi word for friends is ‘naki.’ So you put those two together, the Anunnaki, the Sumerian cylinder seals and so forth, you see these Sky People came down to Earth. So the Ant People might be the same as the Anunnaki of the Sumerians.”

The friendly Ant People seem to have left the Hopis to their own devices when the time came for the Third World to be destroyed in a terrible flood. In that disaster, the Hopis survived by going across the ocean on bamboo rafts to arrive in our present Fourth World and the Ant People dropped out of the story. But other helpers soon came along.

“The Hopis have other benevolent entities that have helped them,” David said. “They have what is known as the Sky God Sotuknang. He has a curved headdress, again similar to a helmet, and looks very much like an alien being. There’s a legend about Sotuknang related to the flood.”

According to the story related by David, a great flood was about to engulf a Hopi village and the people were fleeing the coming destruction. There was a little boy and girl, twins, who were somehow left behind. They decided to try to find their parents and escape the flood.

“So they went out across the desert,” David recounted, “and during the first night they were camping. They saw what is called a ‘flying shield’ come down right before them. This being, this sky creature, got out of this flying shield. It was described in the legend as having some kind of clothing or costume that glittered like icicles, and the face shone like a star. That’s the way they describe the face.

“So this might be some kind of inter-dimensional being,” he continued, “or it might be that the helmet is lit up in some fashion. But this creature came to the children and said, ‘Don’t be afraid. I’m going to take you up into my flying shield and we’re going to go up above the desert and find your parents.’ So much like the account in the Book of Enoch, these two children are taken up into this flying shield, many miles above the desert. And this entity Sotuknang gave them something to eat, corn and melon and so forth. And he said that, ‘In the future, I’m going to come to you in your dreams and I’ll instruct you in the proper way to live and the proper life to pursue.’”

The sky creature located the twins’ parents and delivered the children to them, after which the flying shield took off again. David explained that flying shields are a frequent motif of the Hopi, and there is again a linguistic connection.

“The flying shields are interesting,” he said, “because the term for them is ‘paatuwvota.’ The prefix for this word is ‘paa,’ which means ‘water’ or ‘wonder.’ Some think that this describes the concentric circles in water, the way they expand in water. This is the way flying shields looked in the air when they were flying.”

Along with Sotuknang, the benevolent Kachinas, the spirit messengers, also pilot the flying shields-type craft. There is yet another Hopis god with extraterrestrial overtones, named Masau’u.

“Masau’u was there at the beginning of the Fourth World . He’s the god of the Earth and the underworld and fire. This god led the people around and determined where they should build their villages. The people were basically migrating across the desert and building stone pueblos. They would live in these pueblos for maybe a century or less, and then they would abandon things and move on to another place. And the god Masau’u was with them all along in their journey. That’s where I believe this pattern of Orion on the desert of Arizona was fixed, by their migrations and the instructions of the Hopi god about where to build these villages.

“But Masau’u is a strange looking creature,” David continued. “He has a bulbous head and very large round eyes and a large round mouth. And he’s kind of bald. It’s said that his skin resembles the texture of a summer squash, kind of bumpy like that. His feet are very long and his body is always described as being gray. In fact, the word ‘amaus,’ the root word of Masau’u, literally means in the Hopi language gray. There are connections with the underworld and death and this kind of subterranean world that Masau’u is supposed to inhabit.http://goldenageofgaia.com/disclosure/who-are-the-extraterrestrials/the-hopiextraterrestrial-connection-as-above-so-below/


This story comes from the Hopi people of northern Arizona. "Hopi" means "People of Peace". The stories here were recorded in the 1950s by Oswald White Bear Fredericks and his wife Naomi from the storytelling of older Hopi at the village of Oraibi, which tree-ring dating indicates has been inhabited by the Hopi since at least 1150 AD.

The Four Creations

The world at first was endless space in which existed only the Creator, Taiowa. This world had no time, no shape, and no life, except in the mind of the Creator. Eventually the infinite creator created the finite in Sotuknang, whom he called his nephew and whom he created as his agent to establish nine universes. Sotuknang gathered together matter from the endless space to make the nine solid worlds. Then the Creator instructed him to gather together the waters from the endless space and place them on these worlds to make land and sea. When Sotuknang had done that, the Creator instructed him to gather together air to make winds and breezes on these worlds.

The fourth act of creation with which the Creator charged Sotuknang was the creation of life. Sotuknang went to the world that was to first host life and there he created Spider Woman, and he gave her the power to create life. First Spider Woman took some earth and mixed it with saliva to make two beings. Over them she sang the Creation Song, and they came to life. She instructed one of them, Poqanghoya, to go across the earth and solidify it. She instructed the other, Palongawhoya, to send out sound to resonate through the earth, so that the earth vibrated with the energy of the Creator. Poqanghoya and Palongawhoya were despatched to the poles of the earth to keep it rotating.

Then Spider Woman made all the plants, the flowers, the bushes, and the trees. Likewise she made the birds and animals, again using earth and singing the Creation Song. When all this was done, she made human beings, using yellow, red, white, and black earth mixed with her saliva. Singing the Creation Song, she made four men, and then in her own form she made four women. At first they had a soft spot in their foreheads, and although it solidified, it left a space through which they could hear the voice of Sotuknang and their Creator. Because these people could not speak, Spider Woman called on Sotuknang, who gave them four languages. His only instructions were for them to respect their Creator and to live in harmony with him.

These people spread across the earth and multiplied. Despite their four languages, in those days they could understand each other's thoughts anyway, and for many years they and the animals lived together as one. Eventually, however, they began to divide, both the people from the animals and the people from each other, as they focused on their differences rather than their similarities. As division and suspicion became more widespread, only a few people from each of the four groups still remembered their Creator. Sotuknang appeared before these few and told them that he and the Creator would have to destroy this world, and that these few who remembered the Creator must travel across the land, following a cloud and a star, to find refuge. These people began their treks from the places where they lived, and when they finally converged Sotuknang appeared again. He opened a huge ant mound and told these people to go down in it to live with the ants while he destroyed the world with fire, and he told them to learn from the ants while they were there. The people went down and lived with the ants, who had storerooms of food that they had gathered in the summer, as well as chambers in which the people could live.This went on for quite a while, because after Sotuknang cleansed the world with fire it took a long time for the world to cool off. As the ants' food ran low, the people refused the food, but the ants kept feeding them and only tightened their own belts, which is why ants have such tiny waists today.

Finally Sotuknang was done making the second world, which was not quite as beautiful as the first. Again he admonished the people to remember their Creator as they and the ants that had hosted them spread across the earth. The people multiplied rapidly and soon covered the entire earth. They did not live with the animals, however, because the animals in this second world were wild and unfriendly. Instead the people lived in villages and built roads between these, so that trade sprang up. They stored goods and traded those for goods from elsewhere, and soon they were trading for things they did not need. As their desire to have more and more grew, they began to forget their Creator, and soon wars over resources and trade were breaking out between villages. Finally Sotuknang appeared before the few people who still remembered the Creator, and again he sent them to live with the ants while he destroyed this corrupt world. This time he ordered Poqanghoya and Palongawhoya to abandon their posts at the poles, and soon the world spun out of control and rolled over. Mountains slid and fell, and lakes and rivers splashed across the land as the earth tumbled, and finally the earth froze over into nothing but ice.

This went on for years, and again the people lived with the ants. Finally Sotuknang sent Poqanghoya and Palongawhoya back to the poles to resume the normal rotation of the earth, and soon the ice melted and life returned. Sotuknang called the people up from their refuge, and he introduced them to the third world that he had made. Again he admonished the people to remember their Creator as they spread across the land. As they did so, they multiplied quickly, even more quickly than before, and soon they were living in large cities and developing into separate nations. With so many people and so many nations, soon there was war, and some of the nations made huge shields on which they could fly, and from these flying shields they attacked other cities. When Sotuknang saw all this war and destruction, he resolved to destroy this world quickly before it corrupted the few people who still remembered the Creator. He called on Spider Woman to gather those few and, along the shore, she placed each person with a little food in the hollow stem of a reed. When she had done this, Sotuknang let loose a flood that destroyed the warring cities and the world on which they lived.

Once the rocking of the waves ceased, Spider Woman unsealed the reeds so the people could see. They floated on the water for many days, looking for land, until finally they drifted to an island. On the island they built little reed boats and set sail again to the east. After drifting many days, they came to a larger island, and after many more days to an even larger island. They hoped that this would be the fourth world that Sótuknang had made for them, but Spider Woman assured them that they still had a long and hard journey ahead. They walked across this island and built rafts on the far side, and set sail to the east again. They came to a fourth and still larger island, but again they had to cross it on foot and then build more rafts to continue east. From this island, Spider Woman sent them on alone, and after many days they encountered a vast land. Its shores were so high that they could not find a place to land, and only by opening the doors in their heads did they know where to go to land.

When they finally got ashore, Sotuknang was there waiting for them. As they watched to the west, he made the islands that they had used like stepping stones disappear into the sea. He welcomed them to the fourth world, but he warned them that it was not as beautiful as the previous ones, and that life here would be harder, with heat and cold, and tall mountains and deep valleys. He sent them on their way to migrate across the wild new land in search of the homes for their respective clans. The clans were to migrate across the land to learn its ways, although some grew weak and stopped in the warm climates or rich lands along the way. The Hopi trekked and far and wide, and went through the cold and icy country to the north before finally settling in the arid lands between the Colorado River and Rio Grande River. They chose that place so that the hardship of their life would always remind them of their dependence on, and link to, their Creator.
http://www.gly.uga.edu/railsback/CS/CSFourCreations.html

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On a narrow ledge in Dinosaur National Monument a series of Classic Vernal Style trapezoidal anthropomorphs decorate the sandstone cliff face. The anthropomorphs are large, 3-5 feet tall. Several are decorated with dot groups on their torsos and heads. Here again as at McKee Springs Wash and Ashley-Dry Fork several figures are attached to a mushroom-shaped form. While this appendage sometimes has facial features elsewhere, here they are solidly pecked. One of the largest figures has a miniature group adjacent to one shoulder. Located on a high cliff, this site is both hard to find and difficult and dangerous to visit.

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Fremont Couple, Rainbow Park area, Dinosaur National Monument.
These two anthropomorphs are unique in that they seem to be holding hands.
Their trapezoidal forms and body decorations are characteristics of Classic Vernal Style.
The NEXT page presents more Fremont culture area rock art.

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The story of the "Hormiga People" is an integral part of the legend, history and mythology of the Hopi Indians of northern Arizona. Hopi traditional wisdom speaks of how, in very, very ancient times, the Earth underwent a series of terrible cataclysms (or cycles) that manifested themselves in Ice Age forms, massive floods, and possibly even disastrous polar inclinations.

Such is the story, the Hopi might well have been exterminated when the world was in the process of enormous change, were it not for the aid of a race of mysterious and diminutive humanoids. They said they live underground, in parts of the southwestern United States. They were, of course, the "Ant People". According to the legends, for the most part the "Ant People" stayed away from the human race, which was largely unaware of the existence of the strange world under the depths. However, sometimes the "Ant People" would come to the surface, and also from time to time offered their help. Thus, little by little, the "Ant People" became known and legends began properly.

important to note that they were not called the "Ant People" just because they lived underground, in deep, deep tunnels. No. It was also because in spite of being humanoids, they looked somehow like ants, especially by their faces and their thin limbs.https://libertaliadehatali.wordpress.com/tag/hopi/http://www.thinkaboutit-aliens.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/kachina.jpghttp://www.crystalinks.com/hopiantpeoplewall.jpg


A Hopi Legend

The First People of Tokpela, the First World, were safely sheltered underground as fire rained down upon the earth. Volcanoes and fire storms destroyed all that was above them until the earth, the waters, and the air itself was all elemental fire.

While this was going on, the people lived happily underground with the Ant People. Their homes were just like the people's homes on the earth-surface being destroyed. There were rooms to live in and rooms where they stored their food. There was light to see by too. The tiny bits of crystal in the sand of the anthill had absorbed the light of the sun, and using the inner vision of the center located behind the eyes they could see by its reflection very well.

Only one thing troubled them: the food had begun to run short.

It had not taken Sótuknang long to destroy the world, nor would it take him long to create another one. But it was taking a long time for the First World to cool off before a Second World could be created. That was why the food was running short.

"Do not give us so much of the food you have worked so hard to gather and store," the people said.

"You are our guests," the Ant people said, "What we have is yours also." So the Ant people continued to deprive themselves of food in order to supply their guests. Every day, they tied their belts tighter and tighter, and this is why ants today are so small around the waist.

Finally, that which had been the First World cooled off. Sótuknang purified it. Then he began to create the Second World. He changed its form completely, putting land where there was water and water where there was land so that the people upon their emergence would have nothing to remind them of the previous wicked world.

When all was ready, he came to the roof of the Ant kiva, stamped on it, and gave his call. Immediately the Chief of the Ant People went up to the opening and rolled back the núta (the straw hatch that covered the opening to the kiva). "Yung-ai! Come in! You are welcome!" he called.

Sótuknang spoke first to the Ant People. "I am thanking you for doing your part in helping to save these people. It will always be remembered, this you have done, The time will come when another world will be destroyed, and when the wicked people know their last day on earth has come, they will sit by an anthill and cry for the ants to save them. Now, having fulfilled your duty, you may go forth to this Second World and take your place as ants."

Then Sótuknang said to the people, "Make your emergence now to the Second World I have created. It is not quite as beautiful as the First World, but it is beautiful just the same. You will like it. So multiply and be happy. But remember your creator and the laws he gave you. When I hear you sing joyful praises to him I will know you are my children, and you will be close to me in your hearts."

So the people emerged to the second world. Its mane was Tokpa (Dark Midnight). Its direction was south, its color blue, its mineral was qöchásive (silver). Chiefs upon it were salvi (spruce), kwáhu (eagle), and kolíchiyaw (skunk).

It was a big land, and the people multiplied rapidly, spreading over it to all directions, even to the other side of the world. This did not matter, for they were so close together in spirit they could see and talk to each other from the center on top of the head. Because this door was still open, they felt close to Sótuknang and they sang joyful praises to the Creator, Taiowa.

They did not have the privilege of living with the animals, though, for the animals were wild and kept apart. Being separated from the animals, the people tended to their own affairs. They built homes, then villages and trails between them. They made things with their hands and stored food like the Ant People. Then they began to trade and barter with one another. http://theunknownmoment.blogspot.com/2012/01/ant-people-underground-species-and.html





The Hopi god of death, the earth, and the Underworld is named Masau'u. Like the ants, he possesses knowledge of both the surface of the earth and the chthonic regions. He wears a mask with large open eye-holes and a large mouth. His huge, bald head resembles a summer squash, and his forehead bulges out in a ridge. His feet are long as a forearm, and his body is gray. This color is essential, since his name comes from the Hopi word maasi, meaning gray. In fact, this description from Hopi mythology is uncomfortably close to contemporary images of extraterrestrial Greys.

Masau'u is also the terrestrial equivalent of Orion, whose name, as we said, means ant. The Hopi believe that distances are insignificant to Masau'u because he can traverse the entire earth before morning comes. What better way to express OrionÃ*s movement from the eastern to the western horizon during the night?

The Hopi word for ant is anu. In the same language naki means friend, prayer feathers, food offerings, or sand--a nexus of concepts pertaining to this insect that sometimes flies. A combination of the two words (anu-naki, or "ant friend") may be related to SitchinÃ*s Anunnaki. The Babylonian sky god was also named Anu. One Sumerian cylinder seal from around 2250 B.C. shows the pantheon of primary deities wearing peaked hats. The Hopi sky god Sotuknang, closely associated with the earth god Masau'u, also wears a pointed headdress. Like their Middle Eastern counterparts, these American Indian divinities were present at the creation of the universe and continued to be instrumental in the cultureÃ*s development.

Anu (or Danu) was also the appellation of the Celtic mother goddess and patroness of the dead. In addition, Anu was another name for the Egyptian city of Heliopolis, where the benben stone of meteoric iron was kept. Furthermore, the Egyptian word anu meant not only products, revenues, or something brought in but also gifts, tributes, and offerings. This refers to both the ants' ability to store provisions and the reverence given to the Ant People. In any case, their influence is global. http://theunknownmoment.blogspot.com/2012/01/ant-people-underground-species-and.html



The Ant People may have also lived in ancient Egypt. Akhenaten, the 18th Dynasty pharaoh who ruled from 1351–1334 BC, is shown in some depictions with an elongated skull like the shape of an ant’s head. His almond-shaped eyes and neck are like the ant’s, and either the serpent or the vulture on his uraeus resembles the ant’s mandibles. He also has spindly arms and legs like those of the ant, and his upper body resembles the ant’s thorax while his lower body mirrors the ant’s abdomen. Akhenaten’s body type can be specifically compared to the Pharaoh Ant ( Momomorium pharaonis ), which originated in West Africa. It also has an elongated head, a yellow to reddish brown body, and a darker abdomen with a stinger.

Perhaps it is more than a coincidence that the Egyptian word sahu means “stars of Orion,” whereas the Hopi word sohu means “star,” the most important of which are those in the constellation Orion. To read more on the Ant People and the Hopi connection to ancient Egypt, see my most recent book Star Shrines and Earthworks of the Desert Southwest .
By Gary A. David (http://www.ancient-origins.net/myths-legends-americas-opinion-guest-authors/ant-people-hopi-00927)


Palatkwapi-Sedona: City of the Star People

A legend among the Hopis states that there was once a great temple city of wisdom built by the Star People, the Kachinas. Many of the Hopi clans visited this city during their respective migrations throughout the Americas and later shared stories of it when all the clans reunited at their final destination on the Hopi Mesas. This mysterious city, known as Palatkwapi, the “Red House,” was where the Star People taught important rituals and secrets of the universe that are still enacted and honored by the clans.
Over the last one hundred years there has been much speculation regarding the location of Palatkwapi. An abundance of ethnographers have located Palatkwapi in the Sedona-Verde Valley region, but there have also been other academics who have placed it much further south. Most everyone agrees, however, that the City of the Star People was someplace south of the Hopi Mesas. One Hopi legend of the Patki or Water Clan recounted by ethnographer Alexander M. Stephen in Hopi Journey states: “...no one knows just where the Red Land is, but it is someplace in the far southwest [of Hopiland].” Distance is, of course, relative, especially when you are traveling by foot.....

.....As previously mentioned, although the destruction of Palatkwapi appears to coincide with the end of the Third World the period of its initial construction is nearly impossible to pin down.
If, for example, one subscribes to the time periods known as the Hopi Worlds (A “World” is a cycle of time. Historically, there have been Four Worlds) or the Dream Time of the Australian Aborigines, then Palatkwapi could have been constructed as recently as 10,000 years ago or as anciently as a million or more years ago. This is because the “Worlds” and “Dream Time” are very inexact time periods........

.......If the building of the ancient megalithic circles and temples occurred during the time the Hopis refer to as the First or Second Worlds - when humans had their crown chakra wide open and remained in continual communication with the Creator - their designs could have been spontaneously implanted by the Creator into the minds of their builders. The creative “Gods” could have also received some supernatural abilities to build the temples from the same source. While constructing the temples in Sedona these “Gods” would have also been assisted by the natural earth energies of the area. The amplifying vortexual power combined with the iron and crystal-infused particles would have first magnified the thought forms of the “Gods” and then magnetically united the Sedona sand into the solid formations delineated by the builders’ mental blueprints.

The extent records of Palatkwapi imply that its original builders were the Kachinas. They also reveal that the city’s initial construction preceded the Fourth World. Some Fourth World construction (or reconstruction) is, however, said to have been overseen by the Kachinas and carried out by the Hopis and/or the members of other tribes residing at Palatkwapi. States Waters:
Under the supervision of the Kachinas, Palatkwapi was built in three sections. Completely surrounded by a high wall, the first section was reserved for ceremonial purposes; the second section, adjoining it, contained storage rooms for food; and the third section comprised the living quarters for the people of all clans. Underneath all three sections ran a river.
http://www.ancient-origins.net/opinion-guest-authors/palatkwapi-sedona-city-star-people-004992?nopaging=1

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Sedona: City of the Star People reveals the esoteric history of Sedona, Arizona, which author Pinkham says was known in very ancient times as Palatkwapi, the “Red House.” According to Hopi legend, Extraterrestrial Star People built Palatkwapi as a glorious city of sacred wisdom. It was here that the migrating Hopis learned their sacred rites and dances, as well as many mysteries of the universe.

Since 1987, author Mark Amaru Pinkham has been blessed with the ability to envision Palatkwapi as it exists now?an interdimensional city that co-exists with the physical town of Sedona. Pinkham tells us, he has come to realize that Sedona “sits upon the foundations of a very ancient lost city of the Star People” and that the Hopi, the tribe that settled in this region of modern-day Arizona, in the place known as the Palatkwapi (“Red House”) and that they and the Kachinas “taught the Hopis the mysteries of the cosmos and the rituals they continue to observe today.”
Thanks to Cliff Dunning http://www.earthancients.com/

http://www.reddirtreport.com/sites/default/files/styles/article-main/public/articles/2017/03/images/Sedona_MAPinkham.jpg?itok=LUrHf0zH

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Elen
3rd June 2017, 05:15
Ancient building technique with precision that can match jewellery making of today. These are questions we need to ask ourselves, especially when we consider the time-frame. Sylvie goes now with how our History has been fabricated and that this history is repeated to fit the fabrication. Nice song in between…with a message.


Published on 2 Jun 2017

Images sources

http://maximus101.livejournal.com
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ihd-zyh0Lw

Elen
3rd June 2017, 08:42
Thanks for the post Maggie, I love the Hopi very much and whatever they say makes a lot of sense. Like this: When time speeds up…you slow down.

I transcribed the Ten Commandments.

The Ten Indian Commandments

Treat the Earth and All that Dwells Therein with Respect

Remain Close to the Great Spirit

Show Great Respect to Your Fellow Beings

Work Together For the Benefit of All Mankind

Give Assistance and Kindness Whenever Needed

Do What You Know To Be Right

Look After the Well-being of Mind and Body

Dedicate a Share of Your Efforts to The Greater Good

Be Truthful and Honest at All Times

Take Full Responsibility For Your Actions

Humankind has not woven the web of life.
We are but one thread within it.
Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves.
All things are bound together.
All things connect.

Chief Seattle, 1854

Maggie
5th June 2017, 04:03
This information linking the Irish with a seafaring people who also settled in Africa. This comes from 1984 and is so interesting and compelling. I could only find 1 of 4 episodes


ATLANTEAN Episode 01 - Bob Quinn

Bob Quinn’s Atlantean project was sparked by the unmissably Arab dynamic in the cadences of Connemara’s sean-nós singing. The peninsula’s intimate connection with the sea and the odd identity of the púcán’s lateen sail with that of the Arab dhow launched him on a four-year exploration, reading, researching and filming as he went.
The Berber and Tuareg heritage now showing up in Scottish genes is just another support for the abundant “Celtic” associations he found and filmed in north Africa, in song and singers, archaeological monuments, manuscript decoration and jewellery design. Such treasures as the Ardagh Chalice and Book of Durrow show intricate affinity with Islamic decorative motifs and crafts, and Coptic Christianity from Egypt left material traces well ahead of St Patrick.
Bob Quinn’s splendid quest echoes those of many Anglo-Irish antiquarians in 19th-century Ireland. They were no less intrigued by the mysterious origins of Gaelic, the voyaging from Carthage and Phoenicia, and the parallels of tombs and stone circles on the Berber hills. But Britain’s academia took little interest. Even George Bernard Shaw disdained “the commercially imported North Spanish strain which passes for aboriginal Irish”.
The Atlantean quartet of films, their fine quality undiminished, should be shown to a new generation of viewers. As Barry Cunliffe says in his foreword to The Atlantean Irish: “Bob Quinn, intuitively, has grasped the excitement of it all.” http://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/the-tracing-of-the-shrew-why-celtic-dna-leads-back-to-africa-1.522345

ATLANTEAN Episode 01 - Bob Quinn (https://www.dailymotion.com/uniomedia)

Dr Joseph McNamara starts at 7:55


Dr Joseph McNamara - The Atlantean Origins of Sacred Ireland
the Atlantean colonization of Ancient Ireland. Brilliant, controversial & compelling, a must see presentation. Dr Joe McNamara was born and raised in Ireland. He speaks fluent Gaelic, and is a true expert of Celtic lore, mythology and cosmology.

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Maggie
6th June 2017, 02:08
This is great!



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ANCIENT HISTORY OF ARATTA-UKRAINE:
20,000 BCE – 1000 CEl (http://www.inerton.kiev.ua/Abstract_Indo-European_Prehistory.html)

Another short interview talking about Aratta

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Aianawa
8th June 2017, 23:53
This information linking the Irish with a seafaring people who also settled in Africa. This comes from 1984 and is so interesting and compelling. I could only find 1 of 4 episodes



ATLANTEAN Episode 01 - Bob Quinn (https://www.dailymotion.com/uniomedia)



Dr Joseph McNamara starts at 7:55

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Very much enjoyed McNamara's Ireland - Atlantis, love the way he speaks, love the way he connects the survivors with everything.

Lord Sidious
9th June 2017, 11:04
I didn't read the whole thread, but I have a question for you.
What colours did Atlantis use?
You know?
Like the united snakes uses red white and blue?

Elen
9th June 2017, 15:35
I didn't read the whole thread, but I have a question for you.
What colours did Atlantis use?
You know?
Like the united snakes uses red white and blue?

How about the whole rainbow?

Dreamtimer
9th June 2017, 16:15
Orange, white and Green?

Lord Sidious
9th June 2017, 16:32
No to both

Dreamtimer
9th June 2017, 16:35
Blue and white, like Scotland?

modwiz
9th June 2017, 16:42
Black, white and red.

Lord Sidious
9th June 2017, 16:55
Black, white and red.

Yes.
But you've seen this before, so you're barred from playing.

Next question.
Who else used those colours?

Elen
9th June 2017, 16:56
Yes.
But you've seen this before, so you're barred from playing.

Next question.
Who else used those colours?

Germany

modwiz
9th June 2017, 16:59
Yes.
But you've seen this before, so you're barred from playing.

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Lord Sidious
9th June 2017, 17:00
Germany


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Catsquotl
9th June 2017, 17:10
So the question then arises.
Did nazi germany mimic those colors to pervert them like they did with the swastika? Or were they guided by the atlantian surviving whatyamaycallits.

With Love
Eelco

Lord Sidious
9th June 2017, 17:12
So the question then arises.
Did nazi germany mimic those colors to pervert them like they did with the swastika? Or were they guided by the atlantian surviving whatyamaycallits.

With Love
Eelco

Your first question is void, it presupposes a conclusion.
The second one is more on target and is a possibility

Catsquotl
9th June 2017, 17:25
Rephrasing the question.
If we assume the Nazi's used ancient symbols to unlock powers they believed these symbols represented.
Dit they use these colors with the same intention?

Which in turns begs to question the older societies that used the same set of symbols..

Ok processing here.
I believed that nazi germany hoped their occult use of old symbols helped probably a naive outlook stemming from my reluctance to acknowledge evil..(children playing with powers they couldn't understand)
Getting the impression now they may have known they would.. I.e pure intentional spellcasting

With Love
Eelco

Lord Sidious
9th June 2017, 17:31
Rephrasing the question.
If we assume the Nazi's used ancient symbols to unlock powers they believed these symbols represented.
Dit they use these colors with the same intention?

Which in turns begs to question the older societies that used the same set of symbols..

Ok processing here.
I believed that nazi germany hoped their occult use of old symbols helped probably a naive outlook stemming from my reluctance to acknowledge evil..(children playing with powers they couldn't understand)
Getting the impression now they may have known they would.. I.e pure intentional spellcasting

With Love
Eelco

The symbols are a pathway.
What is evil?
What is good?

Elen
9th June 2017, 17:35
The symbols are a pathway.
What is evil?
What is good?

Good questions.

Catsquotl
9th June 2017, 17:37
Forgive them father for they know not what they do..

If they'd known. That would be evil.

With Love
Eelco

Lord Sidious
9th June 2017, 17:43
As Darth Sidious said to Anakin, ''Good is a point of view''

Elen
9th June 2017, 17:43
Forgive them father for they know not what they do..

If they'd known. That would be evil.

With Love
Eelco

Do you really know what is good or bad? Really?

Catsquotl
9th June 2017, 17:46
Do you really know what is good or bad? Really?

Nope..
just guesses and preferences.

Lord Sidious
9th June 2017, 17:50
Nope..
just guesses and preferences.

Ooh, assumptions are the mothers of all f u c k ups................

Maggie
9th June 2017, 18:02
As Darth Sidious said to Anakin, ''Good is a point of view''

It's all just words but the description of Good is IMo what is appropriate to the moment. The choice to tear down or build up, applied for the "good". It seems so simple to me that it is not assumptions that are the issue. It is taking raw data and having the ability to see where the skein is wound and how to knit rather than snarl the threads.

The Universe is teleologic IMO and is that an ass- umption?

Maybe so but I commit to my ass-umption as a provisional part of learning what IS what.

Lord Sidious
9th June 2017, 18:06
It's all just words but the description of Good is IMo what is appropriate to the moment. The choice to tear down or build up, applied for the "good". It seems so simple to me that it is not assumptions that are the issue. It is taking raw data and having the ability to see where the skein is wound and how to knit rather than snarl the threads.

The Universe is teleologic IMO and is that an ass- umption?

Maybe so but I commit to my ass-umption as a provisional part of learning what IS what.

Description of good according to whom?

Catsquotl
9th June 2017, 18:12
Ooh, assumptions are the mothers of all f u c k ups................

Do you know what good and evil is?
I'd like to think of my guesses and preferences as educated guesses. Based on what I see, what I deduce and in the back of my mind the possibilities of being wrong.
I will use the terminology sparingly when it comes to individuals, but easier when larger concepts are discussed. (Maybe I should stop the latter as well)


With Love
Eelco

Maggie
9th June 2017, 18:12
Description of good according to whom?

(S)he who sent the waves.
(S)he who seeks elegance and refinement of energy.
(S)he who has the desire for coherence and creates according to He(r) master design.
(S)he who knows what she wants and suggests the harmonic and lets the dissonant go to entropic resolution in the void to be reframed.

yes, I know you might say these are ass- umption galores

Edit:

Must be Goldilocks the corn grower in her "just right chair".
(S)he is the spider woman, the god Creation, the teleology that pulls the wheels on the cart we "are" as 3D expression and maintain or let fall to pieces.

(S)he unfolds her landscape in conditions of support for MORE creativity or moves on to the path of least resistance.

Life is good. So what is good and evil is IMO simply what encourages greater life to grow or will be left behind.
The chaotic is not "evil" as the upwelling of life moves with force through the field of "waves and waves in interference" using the path of LEAST resistance.
The entropic is whatever has reached a limit of of (H)er use and cannot "grow corn".

Lord Sidious
9th June 2017, 18:15
Do you know what good and evil is?
I'd like to think of my guesses and preferences as educated guesses. Based on what I see, what I deduce and in the back of my mind the possibilities of being wrong.
I will use the terminology sparingly when it comes to individuals, but easier when larger concepts are discussed. (Maybe I should stop the latter as well)


With Love
Eelco

How do you know that blue is blue?
Someone told you.
How do you know good is good?
Same way.


(S)he who sent the waves.
(S)he who seeks elegance and refinement of energy.
(S)he who has the desire for coherence and creates according to her master design.
(S)he who knows what she wants and suggests the harmonic and lets the dissonant go to entropic resolution in the void to be reframed.

yes, I know you might say these are ass- umption galores

How could there be good, without bad?

Catsquotl
9th June 2017, 18:27
How do you know that blue is blue?
Someone told you.
How do you know good is good?
Same way.


That's an oversimplification.
tell a colorblind person what blue is and the will still struggle to see the color.
In japanese a green traffic light is referred to a blue for instance. Green is just a shade of blue to them.

With good vs bad the problem get more complicated quickly and apart from being told what is good. (take main stream media for example) a certain degree of discernment is warranted.

With Love
Eelco

Lord Sidious
9th June 2017, 18:31
That's an oversimplification.
tell a colorblind person what blue is and the will still struggle to see the color.
In japanese a green traffic light is referred to a blue for instance. Green is just a shade of blue to them.

With good vs bad the problem get more complicated quickly and apart from being told what is good. (take main stream media for example) a certain degree of discernment is warranted.

With Love
Eelco

Nope, not simplification at all.
Question for you.
Is love good or bad?