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bsbray
2nd July 2015, 03:07
This is an approximately 2 hour and 23 minute video interview featuring Joseph P. Farrell, a scholar and author said to have studied at Oxford, interviewed by Dark Journalist.

The entire video can be found here: Akhenaten Prophecy: Mystery Schools & Giza Death Star - Joseph Farrell & Dark Journalist (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1Fq_sPvJLQ)



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1Fq_sPvJLQ


Otto Rahn is discussed first. Rahn was a German esoteric scholar and grail researcher who believed that the Medieval German romance Parzival was actually a history of the Languedoc region in France and pertained to the Albigensian Crusade and the Knights Templar. Rahn believed that the Albigensian Crusade was launched by the Vatican in order for them to acquire something from the Languedoc nobility.

It's noted that before the end of the siege of Montségur, the Cathars were allowed to remove an object from the fort.

Languedoc itself, which was the primary target of the Albigensian Crusade, is said to have been the center of activity for both the Knights Hospitallers and Knights Templar organizations. An earlier researcher in the Languedoc region was told by peasants there that the Vatican (apparently called the "armies of Satan" by the peasant) was looking for "the stones from Lucifer's crown" so that the Pope could put them in his tiara. Rahn believed that there was either an object or form of knowledge that the Vatican was either seeking to obtain or suppress.

The Knights Templar and the Knights Hospitallers are said to have both been created to drive the Muslims out of Iberia, and they were successful in this. The Catholic Church considered these two organizations to be directly under their authority, and not subject to any local laws. This allowed these organizations to avoid paying taxes and accumulate a large amount of money.

When the Vatican announced that it was going to launch a crusade against the Albigensians, both the Knights Hospitaller and the Knights Templar refused to participate. This is described as a signal or confirmation to the Catholic Church that they had lost control of these organizations, as the Languedoc region of France was the economic center of the Knights Templar. The reason that the Langedoc region had developed into an important economic region for the Templar is because they had used it as a sort of "forward logistical area" to move supplies across the Pyrenees mountains into Spain when they were fighting the Muslims, and members of these orders had property in these areas.

After the Albigensian Crusade defeats the native Languedoc armies, the region becomes assimilated over into the French kingdom. Traditionally, historians regard the French king as being the one who then pushes the matter with the Templar, accusing them of numerous bizarre crimes before having his French pope order mass arrests and outlaw the organization. Farrell says that it's his view that it was the other way around, and that Pope Clement V was the real driving force behind this chain of events.

After the Knights Templar were outlawed by the Catholic Church, Venice is said to have taken many of them in as refugees and made them apart of a "council of ten." The Templar are described as having basically served as a banking cartel and this connection made them very useful allies to the Venetians.


The Copper Scroll

The legends of the Templar having obtained some treasure from the remains of Solomon's Temple in Jerusalem are said to have been fueled with the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls. [Footnote: The Dead Sea Scrolls apparently indicate that Solomon's Temple contained a library of sacred scrolls that were being brought by Essenes out of Egypt around the first century.] Specifically the Copper Scroll is mentioned, also called the "Treasure Scroll," which is traditionally believed to relate to the contents of the temple in Jerusalem.

Farrell states that the amount of treasure inventoried by this scroll is enormous when Jewish standards of measure are used, including more gold than is supposed to have ever been mined by that point in history. However the copper construction of the scroll matches Egyptian techniques used to make the same kinds of scrolls, even to the rivets, and the scholar and metallurgist Robert Feather has argued that the scroll properly dates back to the reign of Akhenaten in Egypt, and relates to Jews living in Egypt at that time. Instead of pertaining to Solomon's Temple, the scroll is argued to be pertain to Akhenaten's Temple, and when Egyptian standards of measure are used the total amount of treasure inventoried becomes realistic.

Since Jesus has been connected to the Essenes in modern research (rather than the Pharisitic sect of Jews, for example), this idea of the Essenian Jews bringing scrolls out of Egypt of Akhenaten's reign, back to Jerusalem, suggests that Jesus' spiritual lineage may be more hermetic and related via the Essenes to Egyptian traditions.

The nine Templar who went to the Middle East, ostensibly to protect Christians in the Holy Land, appear instead to have been investigating something from Solomon's Temple, digging under the Temple Mount and searching other locations as well. They later return to Europe and appear to have shared whatever they learned with their European brethren.

Farrell believes that what the Templar discovered was the connection between the origins of Christianity and Egypt. Around the same time as the Templar are suppressed, the Medicis gain possession of hermetic texts and begin translating them, and they then spread across Europe and contribute to the Renaissance.

The hermeticism is Egyptian in origin and was believed to have predated much of the Old Testament. Jewish families were already understood to have migrated out of Palestine to come to prominence in Europe, but this new hermetic link with the Essenians would further suggest that the Jewish families coming out of Palestine may have originated from Egypt and so would be even older than supposed. The knowledge of the connections between the origins of Christianity and ancient Egypt may have been worrisome enough to the Catholic Church in itself to warrant the suppression of the Knights Templar.

Farrell explains Akhenaten's reign as an effort to suppress the old priesthood that was at least partially political. The Egyptians had always recognized one supreme god, but had many other gods along side of that one simultaneously, with which the priesthood would interact ritually for various purposes. By removing this priesthood and implementing a new one that focuses on one supreme deity who is superior to all of the others and to mankind, Akhenaten was in effect taking away the power of the people to practice what would equate to an ancient form of technology.

Akhenaten's efforts also led to what Farrell calls Yahwism, by trying to separate the Egyptians from the view that there is sacredness in everything, to the view that sacredness is separated from mankind, that all the previous traditions were wrong, and now the main source of spiritual learning will be from scriptures.

Once this mindset takes hold in society, all knowledge must be compared to a selected holy text by priests in order to determine if it is accepted or heretical. Though this would severely cripple critical thinking in Europe for hundreds of years under the Vatican, there was still enough ancient wisdom left in these scriptures to allow, upon later inspection by a growing body of literate laity, the idea that everything in the universe follows a divine order. This in turn eventually gave birth to the scientific movement.

Islam is noted to have introduced dualistic ways of thinking into their theology which complicated their approach to scientific reasoning.

The myths related to Osiris contain themes familiar to Christianity such as resurrection from the dead and judgment. There are said to be almost word-for-word parallels between the Pyramid Texts and the Gospel of John.

Farrel says that the Egyptians and Mesopotamians both seem to have understood that they were "legacy" civilizations that had been in decline from their ancient predecessors. Babylonian astronomical data was claimed to have been recorded for "thousands of years" in order for the Babylonians to draw correspondences between the movements of planets and human behavior. Regardless of whether astrology has merit or not, not only would the "thousands of years" of observations mentioned be problematic for such an early civilization to have already gathered, but correlating the data would also be a very scientific endeavor that would require knowledge and resources.

Mystery schools preserved much of the original line of knowledge. This knowledge often included resurrection or the transmigration of souls. In Egypt mummification was done very meticulously, even saving the organs separately in jars. Farrell notes that in the Middle Ages the Franks suddenly began to also separate the organs of the deceased in jars until the Catholic Church forbade them from intentionally burying people in dismembered pieces.

Farrell suggests that mummification in Egypt may have been related to their ideas about sympathetic magic, and how information is preserved in a small amount of something, so that for example what remains from the body (DNA, for example) can be preserved indefinitely. Farrell also suggests that this could also be a legacy of the more advanced culture that preceded the ancient Egyptians in even more ancient times.

A king of Aragon is said to have willed his entire kingdom to the Templars upon his death.

Piri Reis, the Turkish admiral, is said to have claimed that Columbus had access to ancient maps and had showed them to Ferdinand and Isabella before gaining their support for his voyage. Columbus is suggested to have gained his maps and knowledge from Byzantine sources, who in turn had accumulated them from across their empire, which had included Egypt. Farrell suggests that the Byzantine Empire had access to the maps and knowledge remaining from the Library of Alexandria, from which Columbus gained his knowledge.

During discourses between Columbus and Ferdinand and Isabella, Isabella is said to have pointed out that Columbus talked as if he had already been to the Americas, raising the question of whether Columbus had already traveled to the Americas before his voyage in 1492. Piri Reis seems to have claimed that Columbus first sailed in 1485.

After the Templar were suppressed, France punished any display of Templar symbolism with instant excommunication from the Catholic Church. Nonetheless, when Christopher Columbus sailed to the Americas, he sailed under flags displaying Templar symbolism.

Columbus's son apparently wrote that his father was descended of King David, and thus from a Jewish line. Farrell later ties this in with the fact that Columbus's "esoteric" signature appears on a Pope Innocent's grave. This pope was himself descended of both Jews and Muslims and may have had ties to the Templar order, being referred to as a knight, but also was apparently very promiscuous before becoming pope and may have actually been Columbus's own father.

Farrell also implies that the Venetians had began bringing in gold bullion from the Americas at some point, which was at least partially responsible for their large economic influence in Europe at that time. Venice later spread its economic influence into Amsterdam and then across the English Channel.

Prince Henry Sinclair of Scotland (who was also a Norwegian noble) is referenced, as there are ancient writings that indicate that he participated in voyages to America about a hundred years before Columbus. He is thought to have landed in Greenland and/or Canada.

The Zeno family who claims to have went to America with Sinclair also gained authority in Constantinople after that city was sacked by the Venetians.

Marco Polo talks about traveling a year across the ocean with the Chinese, and Farrell argues that this was a voyage to America that was later covered up. The Genoans intercepted Marco Polo at some point.

Later in the episode Farrell talks about his work relating to the Great Pyramid in Giza as a multi-purpose machine that could be used as an interplanetary weapon. He notes that the information leading him to this conclusion could take up an entire interview in itself, and he has written books specific to this topic.

genevieve
2nd July 2015, 17:35
bsbray--

Thank you for your "notes" on this program--much better than my own.

This interview was my introduction to Farrell and I gotta' say that I did not want the interview to end!

This is a do-not-miss, in my book. BIG BUMP!

Peace Love Joy & Harmony,
genevieve

lcam88
2nd July 2015, 18:32
Mr Ferrell is indeed a great man IMO.

Well worth the 2 hours of yours of listening to the vid.

bsbray
2nd July 2015, 22:49
I'd like to listen to more of his interviews and also read some of his books, but you should see my bookmarks folder. I have hours and hours and hours... and hours... of documentaries saved to watch. And hundreds of books to boot. I pick and choose based on my mood, but there is a lot of good information out there on all kinds of subjects.

Here are some online resources I found relating to the material he discusses in this video:

The Dead Sea Scrolls and the Mystery of the Copper Scroll (http://www.robert-feather.com/)

The Real Templar “Treasure” of Sacred Knowledge (http://www.knightstemplarorder.org/templar-treasure)

Discoveries of the knights templar (http://www.themasonictrowel.com/articles/apendent_bodies/york/discoveries_knights_templar/discoveries_of_the_knights_templar.htm) (Freemasonic website)

Wikipedia entry for Parzival (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parzival), the text that Farrell says was really telling the history of the Languedoc region of France

lcam88
3rd July 2015, 19:19
Mr Ferrell supposes that Calculus was an area of mathematics suppressed by the ancient Egyptians that was later recouped by Newton and Leibniz based on clues the Templars brought back.

Any ideas about why the Egyptians would suppress it?

Any other explanations for the scenario?

Edit: Could it be that this kind of mathematics was seen to be a divergence from the divine order?

bsbray
3rd July 2015, 19:28
He says in that video above the Newton, Leibniz and Descartes all commented that they believed that ancients already possessed something equivalent to calculus but that it was either lost or covered up. So these statements would be coming from pretty gigantic figures in the field of mathematics.

I'm not sure if it would have been suppressed or just simply lost to time like so much other knowledge. The Egyptians said that Imhotep was among the last generation to still understand the ancient wisdom, whatever that meant, and as Farrell also points out in his video they knew that they were a "legacy" civilization.

There was a series of major catastrophes in the ancient past, including multiple celestial impacts and/or volcanic eruptions that affected the Mediterranean, also plagues and waves of invasions out of the Caucasus region. I'm not sure anyone has pieced together yet how far this ancient, lost knowledge made it, or when and where it was lost, or even if it has not still survived in some places to this day.

lcam88
3rd July 2015, 19:51
Ok, so the knowledge of calculus would have predated the legacy civilization (Egypt) in your view, rather than originate from it.

Is it a stretch to understand "ancient wisdom" to refers to this mathematics? or actually something else that could be modeled by the mathematics. Supposing the latter, the recovery of the math does not reveal what was actually being modeled, or the actual "ancient wisdom". Calculus is really only the mathematics used to model change and perhaps relationships between things that change, but it does assist in understanding the nature of that change itself, perhaps.

EDIT: ...it does not assist in understanding the nature of the change itself...

I suppose that is as far as this rational goes insofar as to examine the issue I posed, without going a bunch of research. Your comments are welcome. Thanks.

bsbray
3rd July 2015, 20:06
I don't think it's too far-fetched to imagine that the mathematics the ancient Egyptians (as an example) inherited was not just an isolated field of knowledge. If a civilization can figure out something equivalent to calculus (which is required for a lot of things requiring precision, that most people probably take for granted today), then that already says a lot. It says that they're not all magical- and mythical-minded, as a lot of historians tend to think all ancient and pre-historic people were. It would mean that they were actually very rational and objective and could realize some very abstract concepts. If they could apply this in the field of mathematics then why wouldn't they be able to apply it to all other fields of knowledge they pursued?

And if their technology was more "spiritual" or revolving around consciousness then it could easily have been more advanced in that regard than what we know today, because our modern science has tended to steer clear of that subject. Maybe on some level they have steered clear of it just to prevent us from making certain realizations about our own past. It's like the aluminum belt buckle discovered in China that dated to something like 200 or 300 AD. If it had been discovered in the 1700's no one would have probably cared very much about this unknown alloy, because we didn't understand how difficult it is to make until we started making it again in modern times in the 1800's, using electrolysis. So when we match ancient technological levels, we can look back more clearly and see how advanced things really were, and then the realization immediately follows that something catastrophic must have happened for it to have died out.

Aragorn
3rd July 2015, 20:12
It's like the aluminum belt buckle discovered in China that dated to something like 200 or 300 AD. If it had been discovered in the 1700's no one would have probably cared very much about this unknown alloy, because we didn't understand how difficult it is to make until we started making it again in modern times in the 1800's, using electrolysis. So when we match ancient technological levels, we can look back more clearly and see how advanced things really were, and then the realization immediately follows that something catastrophic must have happened for it to have died out.

Speaking of electrolysis, both the Sumerians and the ancient Egyptians already possessed the knowledge to coat metal using electrolysis. They used barrels filled with citric acid as batteries. :)

Outlander
4th July 2015, 06:52
Speaking of electrolysis, both the Sumerians and the ancient Egyptians already possessed the knowledge to coat metal using electrolysis. They used barrels filled with citric acid as batteries. :)
They must have had otherwise how would they be able to paint the hieroglyphs inside the pyramids.

Using torches would have left smut traces.

bsbray
4th July 2015, 08:26
Along those lines, Outlander, there was a "non-flaming light" discovered still functioning in the El Gran Moxo ruins in Brazil in 1601. (And yes I realize I basically just said "the" twice in a row but it didn't sound right the other way. :p )

There are other legends that have survived about various ancient cities having powerful light systems but unfortunately I don't remember the specifics. There is an article titled "Did the Pre-Columbian Americans Master Electricity?" by Larry Brian Radka that focuses on the Americas but the legends I remember hearing about are regarding the ancient Middle East and Egypt. And you're right, the long underground hallways of ancient Egypt do not show signs of soot.

lcam88
6th July 2015, 15:32
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Y18k5mZtYQ

Joseph P Farrell on another interview speaking about something similar.

lcam88
8th July 2015, 14:02
Towards the end Mr Farrell makes reference to 4 stages or states of mankind. The androgenous man, the mineral man, the vegetable man and the lowest being the animal man. He goes on to state that it seems the modern science of "transhumanism"? has skipped to the topmost with attempts to create a sexless individual.

If memory serves, I certainly hope I'm not misquoting Mr Farrell again.

Is there a context where and how these 4 stages where found?

Comments regarding these 4 stages?

Jengelen
21st August 2015, 17:01
He lost me on the four stages! I really would like to hear more on that myself.

I think they are discovering that the type of math the ancients used and apparently routinely, was a vortex math or at least that is what some are calling it. I'm sure youtube has more on that now than yesteryear.

lcam88
21st August 2015, 19:12
Vortex Math, do you mean 124875 cycles and the magnetic 3, 6 oscillations as described by Randy Powell?
My impression was that the math is similar to differential calculus and integral calculus. Calculating rates of change.

I have given some thought to the 4 stages. But I'm too "elementary" to give any good suggestion as to what it may mean.

Jengelen
21st August 2015, 19:23
Vortex Math, do you mean 124875 cycles and the magnetic 3, 6 oscillations as described by Randy Powell?
My impression was that the math is similar to differential calculus and integral calculus. Calculating rates of change.

I have given some thought to the 4 stages. But I'm too "elementary" to give any good suggestion as to what it may mean.

My understanding too is limited but it appears the ancients used a math combining both that is still so complex it is being figured out. It does appear also, that certain groups or sects I should say, have had access to this coded info for some time so it could be this info is some of the drip of info being leaked now.

lcam88
24th August 2015, 13:47
The neat thing about vortex math is that it is simple, in principle.

Considering that math is a means to create a model, complex math just means to say => complex model. And if you consider the universe from a viewpoint as Walter Russell describes, something quite simplistic, then complexity must come from a model that aims to define with precision.

Is that rational congruent to your views?