Wholistic Thinking in a Real World Self-Governance

[modwiz]

This former CIA operative and presidential candidate cutting through the clutter of ideas and forms a very palatable and succinct message. Sean's questions are sometimes too wordy and Robert steamrolls him a bit. He was ready to speak. I wanted more at the end.


False flag terrorism, TPP secrets, and how the richest 1% are killing the goose that killed the golden egg are discussed with Robert David Steele. The former reform party candidate for president explains how there are seven shadow governments at work in America, and how billionaires are exploiting the government, and how neither Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren can save us from corruption. The reason Obama should be impeached, and the overwhelming need for electoral reform is discussed in this uncensored Buzzsaw interview, hosted by Sean Stone.

GUEST BIO:
Robert David Steele is an American activist and former Central Intelligence Agency clandestine services case officer. He is known for his promotion of open source intelligence. He was a candidate for the Reform Party's nomination for President of the United States in the 2012 presidential election until February 23, 2012.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJ_s_waokDg

[modwiz]

I posted the above video because there is an important conversation to be had contained with in it. The lack of interest in this speaks volumes to me. I see other discussions being has here and they are distractions to doing things in the real world and effecting change. People have shown their qualities and interests and they are pedestrian and navel gazing. To each their own. I am done here. Only the need for a code keeps me from just getting the fark out of this goldfish bowl of a forum. Not that there are any that are better. The walking dead make poor company.

Good luck to you all. When reality strikes it will be because you ignored it approaching you.

[Dreamtimer]

Thanks for leaving us with something to chew on. It's a gracious way to go. Hope the tent will remain open in some form or other.

Methinks it's more than just the current conversations here...

Ciao for now.

[mojo]

hope you stay around and continue to share your perspective on things, you've made think differently on issues in the past so appreciate eye opening....

[modwiz]

hope you stay around and continue to share your perspective on things, you've made think differently on issues in the past so appreciate eye opening....

A stranger in a strange land is my experience here these days. I like a little stimulation from others myself but, it is not to be found here or at other forums. We have arrived at the time where doing something, discussing a future we will build together needs to take place. The video I posted has points of discussion, eight of them. The only discussion that there is in me leaving. Very sad reflection of the forum's group-think. Disneyland is a fun place for those who seek simple entertainment and thrills. There is a world that needs re-puposing and building. Ideas need to be thrown into the ring to be examined and critiqued. Skins are too thin and attention spans too short.

This thread was destined to disappear. Only my drama revived it. Very telling.

[lcam88]

Key point made:

30 - 40 percent unemployment, productive capacity waiting to make something happen.

I do not agree with being gentle with elites, need to be brutal. But in a way that is non-violent and in a way that is largely non-confrontational.

items to consider

1. ballot access

2. public funding of elections

3. free media

4. instant run-off

5. all legislation online in advance, no secret law. Article 5 convention:

I missed the other three items.

I do not agree with his assessment of good people in a bad system. The system can neither be good or bad, its only made bad by its participants.

I think the speaker misses a major aspect of how change can be made. The man is trying to push a ton of elephant and donkey excritement up a mountain by pushing for political changes of these conservative measures. Overall.

the best part: Get off the god Damn plank!

Modwiz, what comments would you grace us with in regard to the video?

[Divine Feminine]

I watched the first 15min of this video just 'for fun' though I knew this guy was a waste of time right out of the gate based on his alphabet soup credentials. I'm beginning to think Modwiz that you are a proponent for Agenda 21 policies and procedures since you seem to like this guy along with the THRIVE organization that is littered with individuals who are progressives and supporters of the Agenda 21 blueprint. What else am I suppose to think?

This guy, Robert David Steele touts Joan Blades, founder of moveon.org which is nothing but a bunch of progressives. Are you for real? These people are the very reason we're in this whole mess!!! For the love of pete!! Let me tell you something else I've learned while researching...once CIA always CIA...you never leave 'the club'. Hmmmm, where did I hear that before.......lol...I'll keep that one to myself.

From the wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MoveOn.org
"Since the 2000 election cycle, the MoveOn PAC has endorsed and supported the campaigns of candidates, including the 2008 candidacy of then-Senator Barack Obama, presidential candidate, nominee of the Democratic Party.[13]"

So let me get this straight, he's bad mouthing Obama, and yet he praises Joan Blades, the founder of moveon.org whose company basically endorsed and supported Barack Obama??? LMAO....It will be a cold day in hell before I follow these people. This is where vetting helps you determine who's the problem and who's the solution and this guy is anything but the solution, he promotes a person and an organization that are the problems from what I can see, so it's very telling what side of the bed he's sleeping on and I find it hard to believe he doesn't know what he's doing. I suspect this interview is a mix of telling the public what they want to hear and then promoting the people who are creating the problems and taking away our freedoms, and it all stems back to the implementation of Agenda 21. Unfortunately if you are not familiar with all the players, and you don't take the time to understand what Agenda 21 is, who's behind it and how it's being implemented you will continually 'follow' the wrong people. 'They' count on the average person not understanding which is why it's so easy to snowball people. This guy is a wolf in sheeps clothing, imo. In fact...this looks to be nothing more than a psyop.

So ya, you bet there's a lack of interest from me. I wouldn't trust this guy for one second. I say run,...run as fast as you can from this one. If you'd like some pointers on how to vet people I'm happy to help, but it takes time and discipline. I've spent the past 7 years researching and I'll be the first to tell you I don't even know the half of it, but I know enough to keep my head above water and this dude is full of himself.

PS This is nothing personal, this is based on researching and understanding who the players are in the background.

[modwiz]

They won't give me a code to quit so I am stuck here. Replying to comments made is not worth it. Wrong crowd. Always trying one more time for a zombie check. Still comes back the same.

Anyway. Toodles from me, if I can't leave boycott is the option. You people are far to clever for me.:ha:

[bsbray]

What do you think of the idea that what you get out of the world is what you put into it in the first place Modwiz?

There's a Beatles lyric, "and in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make."

Generally people who can only find things to be bored or even depressed about should look within themselves for the source rather than how other people are causing them to feel that way.

[Aragorn]

To each their own. I am done here. Only the need for a code keeps me from just getting the fark out of this goldfish bowl of a forum.
[...]


They won't give me a code to quit so I am stuck here. [...]

Not that I wish for your departure from the forum, fellow Middle-Earthian (and fellow musician) -- quite the contrary, as I value your contributions and your presence on the forum -- but as I have explained to you, there is no code required from us over in the staff room in order to deactivate your account.

I have told you where you can find the links -- there are two of them -- for unsubscribing yourself, if that is what you want, and I have also told you, if you click that link, that you will receive an automated confirmation e-mail from the forum at the e-mail address which you've entered in your profile settings. This e-mail will contain a link which you must click in order to finalize the deactivation of your account. Depending on your ISP or e-mail service provider -- GMail, HotMail, Yahoo!, et al -- this e-mail could easily end up redirected into your spam folder, so you should check both your regular e-mail inbox and your spam folder.

Again, that is if you really do want to deactivate your account, which nobody is asking you to do, and which the whole staff would regret if you did. And if all you need is some time off from the forum -- which is understandable -- then you don't even need to go to such drastic measures as deactivating your account. And yes, deactivating is drastic, because although it can be undone again, it does present the admins with extra work, and our two admins are both swamped in work and other matters already as it is. (Only an administrator can reactivate someone's account; a moderator or super moderator cannot do that.)

For what it's worth, you should not ascertain the validity of your contributions to this forum in terms of how many people have clicked "thanks" on your video. A lot of members have recently deactivated their accounts, and the newly registered members are all still trying to find their way around the forum. Not every member sees the forum through the same eyes as yourself, and some may actually feel quite lost at first -- especially if it is their first forum experience. I for one do know that I regularly see unregistered guests perusing your threads. (All members can see this via the "Who's Online" page.)

So, please, do not feel as if you are not receiving any recognition. The staff has always appreciated you, both for who you are as a Wizard and for your intelligent insights and posts. :smile2:

[Divine Feminine]

5 Reasons Why Robert David Steele is a no-go For Me. Here’s a basic break down.

1. Like I said before, once CIA always CIA….notice how he bad mouths the FBI during the audio? Well isn’t the CIA responsible for Al Quaeda, which is why they’re called Al CIA-a jokingly? Feel free to google for additional articles.

http://www.infowars.com/how-the-cia-gave-al-qaeda-1-million-and-what-that-money-was-used-for/

2. Steele promotes moveon.org founder Joan Blades who's organization endorsed and supported the Obama candidacy- covered this one

3. Steele seems to think Bernie Sanders(another progressive), is an ideal candidate for President as long as he endorses the electoral reform act of 2015. :shocked:

“During Sanders's first term, his supporters, including the first Citizens Party City Councilor Terry Bouricius, formed the Progressive Coalition, the forerunner of the Vermont Progressive Party.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders

then go here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermont_Progressive_Party
"The Progressive Party encompasses a social-democratic and populist platform. The party's main focus has historically been advocacy for a single-payer health care system, which has recently come to fruition through the implementation of Green Mountain Care, a single payer health care program being pushed by Democratic Governor Peter Shumlin, due to pressure from the Progressive Party. Other major policy platforms are renewable energy programs and a phase-out of nuclear energy, public transportation proposals including one for a high-speed rail system, criminal justice reforms directed at reducing the state's prison population and better protecting convicts' rights, the creation of programs to end homelessness in the state, ending the War on Drugs and repealing No Child Left Behind, and ending the focus on standardized testing in the school system."

Renewable energy programs are nothing more than another control mechanism forced on the people. Ask the citizens of Spain what a nightmare their ‘renewable energy’ policy ended up being for their country.

http://pjmedia.com/blog/leaked-spanish-report-obamas-model-green-economy-a-disaster-pjm-exclusive/
“As predicted was inevitable, today the Spanish newspaper La Gaceta runs with a full-page article fessing up to the truth about Spain’s “green jobs” boondoggle, which happens to be the one naively cited by President Obama no less than eight times as his model for the United States. It is now out there as a bust, a costly disaster that has come undone in Spain to the point that even the Socialists admit it, with the media now in full pursuit.”

“La Gaceta boldly exposes the failure of the Spanish renewable policy and how Obama has been following it. The headline screams: “Spain admits that the green economy as sold to Obama is a disaster.”

4. Did he just praise Facebook ceo Zuckerberg??..ewww…. Of course he did, why?...cause he still works for the CIA, lol.
http://www.infowars.com/facebook-google-are-cia-fronts/

Isn’t Zuckerberg aka Jacob Greenberg, the grandson of David Rockefeller?

5. How is Robert David Steele any different than the rest of these tyrants when he aligns himself with the very people who are creating the problems? Progressivism is the problem, think Cloward-Piven.

BONUS POTENTIAL RED FLAG
ARTICLE V

Though currently I didn't find Steele connected(might have to dig some more), his friend he thinks so highly of Joan Blades, popped up along with Grover Norquist. Anytime you have the Council on Foreign Relations involved, there's a problem.

http://campconstitution.net/author/campconstitution/

"The Men Behind the Article V Convention Movement
Published April 19, 2015 | By campconstitution"

"Camp Constitution Radio did an expose of the men, and organizations behind the latest drive for an Article V Constitutional Convention. This recent movement was launched at the Conference on the Constitutional Convention www.conconcon.org by leftist professor Larry Lessig, and Mark Meckler, the man who founded the Convention of the States. Meckler passes himself of as a conservative, and has received the support of may conservatives who should know better. This program reveals Meckler’s connections to Van Jones and Living Room Conversations, Joan Blades of MoveOn.org and the Aspen Institute. It also reveals the disturbing connections to Mike Farris and Grover Norquist. Farris, founder of Home School Legal Defense Association, is perhaps the most active proponent of an Article V Convention. Farris, who is quick to denounce any and all who oppose an Article V as “evil” and “enemies of the Constitution” has credibility in the Christian homeschool community, but few know that sitting on the board of directors of Farris’s Parental Rights group is Grover Norquist. Norquist, a member Council on Foreign Relations, was both a member and an advisor to the now-defunct homosexual organization GoProud, and has ties to the Muslim Brotherhood Glen Beck recently reported. Camp Constitution Radio is heard on WBCQ The Planet 7.490 and shows are available on Camp Constitution’s Youtube Channel"


See what I’m sayin? This is what I come across all the time when 'vetting' people. It's very difficult to find clean candidates, they're all bought and paid for, just wrapped in a different pkg. It's nauseating to me.....I can't even imagine trusting this guy....these guys are slick and many will be fooled. I have much empathy towards the general public who don't have the time to explore these people on a deeper level.

[Dreamtimer]

Speaking for myself here, I left you a comment when I saw your posting before watching the video. It's more substantive that just a read or thank button.

If I watch it, gain something from it, speak to husband and friends about it, how are you to know? Maybe I'm too busy doing real world stuff to come back to leave an in depth comment right away. And maybe if you're patient...you'll see it.

Maybe you believe there's no more time for patience. Maybe you don't really care about how I act on it and just want to bitch. Maybe it's a ploy to put some fire under some people. There's a couple questions I asked you that you didn't take time to answer. Too vapid for you? (they were regarding magic and your experiments).

I'm here to learn. If you're telling me it's too late, too bad. Until I'm dead I'm gonna keep on learning and there are people here who know stuff I don't.

Please leave your tent open so I can continue to visit its archives.

As always, I see the God within you (who's currently wrathful):eyebrows:

[GCS1103]

I listened to the entire video and appreciate his overall concept but, I had no idea who Robert David Steele was, so I listened to another video and read about him. After reading Divine Feminine's post, which I thought was really good, I then googled Joan Blades, because I had no idea who she was either. I'm not a moveon.org fan so I had pre-conceived negative feelings towards her. After reading some more, I found her "Living Room Conversations" where she brings politically opposing guests into her "living room" to have respectful and open-minded discussions with a view towards finding common ground on some issues. I was surprised to see that she was friendly with Mark Meckler (a tea party co-founder) and how they agreed on some issues and decided to focus on that, rather than issues they would never agree on. In that way, they could both work on changing something together. This is a concept that I find incredibly productive.

My point here is that because of Modwiz' initial post, I discovered two people that I had never heard of before, did some reading about both of them, and now have a new respect for what Joan Blades is trying to accomplish in her living room. I still don't like moveon.org and it's funding angel, George Soros, but I learned a lot just from one post. So, I thank you Modwiz, my friend, for putting this video up. You've given this TOT member something to think about.:smiley hug:

[Divine Feminine]

Hey GCS1103, I didn't know who Robert David Steele was either so I had to do some homework myself. It would be interesting to see who some of Joan's other guests have been and to vet them. You might have missed this in my post, but it seems like Mark Meckler might be hiding under the guise of the Tea Party based on the article I posted where they said:

"Camp Constitution Radio did an expose of the men, and organizations behind the latest drive for an Article V Constitutional Convention. This recent movement was launched at the Conference on the Constitutional Convention www.conconcon.org by leftist professor Larry Lessig, and Mark Meckler, the man who founded the Convention of the States. Meckler passes himself off as a conservative, and has received the support of may conservatives who should know better. This program reveals Meckler’s connections to Van Jones and Living Room Conversations, Joan Blades of MoveOn.org and the Aspen Institute."

So we might have another example of a wolf in sheep's clothing. Further vetting would be appropriate. Any connection to Van Jones is a major red flag! Van Jones is a huge Obama supporter. Just google Van Jones and Glenn Beck together if interested. I seem to remember him(Glenn), having several rants over this guy which once I vetted him, I can see why. This is the cleverness going on to confuse people as initially someone watching is going to automatically assume the person is conservative because they're a tea party member, but unfortunately what they do is infiltrate into these groups to control the message and perception in order to steer it's followers in the wrong direction. I have seen this happen with my own patriot group I founded back in 2009. I watched this one guy in particular(military background), clean cut, church guy with the family all dialed in and jumping from group to group. He started with my group and immediately tried to create a problem with our board members...you know the old, 'mole' game...someone's a mole in the group. Fortunately we had a solid team, so I had no problem kicking this guy to the curb. I watched him do this to two other groups and that's when I realized this guy was a plant and his sole purpose was to disrupt any cohesion in the groups. I had no problem 'outing' him to the leadership of organizations in our area since we all had a rapport with one another. I can only wonder how often this goes on....then the confusion begins for those who are not savvy just yet to catch the discrepancies.

In all fairness there probably are people out there who support progressive ideologies and blueprints, but if they truly knew what progressivism stands for, I don't think they'd be 'following'. What's sad is they're using every day people to build their templates of enslavement and preying off of well intentioned individuals who have no clue what they're creating and supporting. My viewpoint comes from understanding Agenda 21 aka Future Earth and how it's being implemented across the world in order to create a one world government. Part of the psyops is presenting well intentioned ideas built off the backs of the people only to be flipped in the future to be used against them. 'The Hunger Game' series I believe is quintessential to what 'they' hope to build some day......sigh......

To Modwiz, you cannot take this personal. If you truly want to hear what people think then you have to expect views that differ from your own with grace. You have every right to support a progressive stance if that is your viewpoint, but not everyone is going to agree. My insight is based on experience I have learned from running large patriot groups. And not to sound like a broken record, if you're a leader of a group, under the current climate, 'vetting' is a must. And once you start getting good at this, you quickly see how out of control the whole progressive/Agenda 21 concept has become. Which is why I bolded Rosa Korie's quote on your 'Tent' thread, "....it's not what's Agenda 21, it's what isn't." Ya...it's that bad which is why I say you become part of the problem, not the solution when you align with the wrong groups.

[lcam88]

They won't give me a code to quit so I am stuck here. Replying to comments made is not worth it. Wrong crowd. Always trying one more time for a zombie check. Still comes back the same.

Anyway. Toodles from me, if I can't leave boycott is the option. You people are far to clever for me.:ha:

What you have done here so far in this thread is "neg" (a term used in common "pick-up women" genre of literature) a psychological trick that attempts to reduce the value of the "targets" so as to get them try to attain your praise or recognition.

And you do not actually reveal any reasonable thought of your own regarding the video you put up, you may have just put up an add to recruit whomever to claim their virgins by joining the Church of Jesus Christ of Laterday Saints.

[Dreamtimer]

icam88, I think it's another experiment, or part of one, and he's gauging reactions - collecting data. He's got himself some more now. And I think you're onto something.

[Daozen]

I posted the above video because there is an important conversation to be had contained with in it. The lack of interest in this speaks volumes to me. I see other discussions being has here and they are distractions to doing things in the real world and effecting change. People have shown their qualities and interests and they are pedestrian and navel gazing. To each their own. I am done here. Only the need for a code keeps me from just getting the fark out of this goldfish bowl of a forum. Not that there are any that are better. The walking dead make poor company.

Good luck to you all. When reality strikes it will be because you ignored it approaching you.

I tried tithing, it works, thanks. You improved my understanding of the universe.

If you delivered on your promises with the Dragons, you might get a better response. Why passively aggressively lash out at the whole forum?

From my point of view; You, the Ambassador, or anyone in your group are no better than anyone else on this planet, so I would quit talking about people like they're stupid. You have both made unfortunate comments about human genetics which are only going to irritate people. When you manage to advance economic liberation forward concretely, you might find people listen to you more.

If the collateral accounts are held up by legal wrangling, than you and your group can work together and crowdfund the future you want. Then we can all dig ourselves out of this hole together. Gandalf put people in their place, but he never talked down to anyone. You, Modwiz, have the leadership skills to get everyone working together, IF you approach the problem correctly.

I have a memory of you on the Titanic. That was the first time a group tried to put together a fair economic system. Don't make the same mistake again...

To rule is to serve.

[Daozen]

You and the Ambassador have the option to quit making updates, and sit down with your legal team and work out how to get non-profit status in HK and the USA. That's what our group's doing right now. If the Red Dragons have the pull they think they have, it would be easy to get tax-exempt status, get donations, and put them into humanitarian projects.

Was that Fulford update about you guys true? *If it is*, what are you doing planning to build nuclear power plants when there are ongoing humanitarian crises in food and water right now?

I know I don't spend any time listening to your videos cos I am so busy on my own plans.

There's lots of ways to go about this, if you are sincere...

That is all.

[Daozen]

You people are far to clever for me.

The fact that you and the Dragons are running around trying to fund free energy devices when there are 5,000 people dying a day from drinking dirty water shows me that you guys are none too bright yourselves. Dave "Dinar Update" Schmidt gets on a plane when he needs to conference with an international colleague...

Cost per trip to HK? 2,000USD, maybe 3,000. Try Gmail. It saves on carbon. And hot air.

https://www.csdw.org/csdw/pur-packet-technology.shtml

Your move, Brains.

:)

[Daozen]

I wrote this note in Februrary. Cobra snubbed it. The Dragons ignored it. Fulford continued with his fake promise merry-go-round.

Conclusion? Maybe you are all faux-liberators who can't deliver on their promises. Maybe you are just part of a shell game. Until you prove different... until you knuckle down and get something done, why should anyone give you the time of day? Millions of people have died since that letter was drafted. How can anyone take you all seriously?





Note to the Asian Dragons


Dear Dragon Societies,

Here at Agarthan Alliance we noticed you are interested in producing free energy devices:

"Otherwise, Dragon groups are still searching for sincere inventors without any personal agenda that have a working overunity prototype which can be immediately put into mass production and does NOT require additional funding. Those inventors can contact us at cobraresistance@gmail.com ."


Free energy is a useful goal, but we think Earth is facing even more urgent problems than electricity shortages:

- Water shortages.
- Natural medicine shortages.
- Food scarcity.
- Electric light scarcity.
- Information scarcity.

Information, water, medicine, food and light famine are currently impacting more lives than electricity shortages. Free energy will come in it's own time. Until then, we offer multiple liberation projects that are sponsored and protected by the Agartha Network and other classified civilizations. Surface dwellers could start to take control of their lives for less than a dollar.

We are looking for a group with the capacity to print multiple copies of a booklet called "Critical Mass." or "The White Book.". The intention of the booklet is to give guidance and hope to the general population.

The booklet can be based on these essays:

Critical Mass. Create a Billion Jobs Now.

Critical Mass is a list of medicines, water purification, finance and farming ideas that could kickstart an immediate renaissance across multiple fields.

The book could be free, or can be sold at cost-of-printing price, and targets the commercial economic marketplace.


AGARTHAN SPONSORSHIP

The emissaries we met from the Agartha Network were convinced that these simple materials, if distributed enough among the surface population, could have a drastic positive effect on Earths timeline.

Pre-liberation, these essays provide immediate relief, and prove humans can govern themselves.

Post-liberation, the essays set a template for a high-tech agrarian society. The simple societal model acts as a buffer against power grabs from control hungry groups.

These essays are free. If anyone can print these materials, please get in touch.

We intend to:

1) Give the booklets away.
2) Sell them at cost price.
3) Produce free information Mp3s
4) Produce short films and videos.

If you can help, please get in touch at contactwithagartha@gmail.com

Thanks for reading!

Agarthan Alliance

[Daozen]

Anyway, just getting that off my chest. Maybe we can figure a way out of this.

There are a ton of people with no water.
There are a ton of people with spare money.

Hmmmm.

Well.... I'm stumped.

Anyone?

[Daozen]

Modwiz reading this thread:

http://static02.mediaite.com/themarysue/uploads/2015/02/tumblr_n32pz0aHjF1rzoznmo3_r1_500.gif

[MaryMay]

I posted the above video because there is an important conversation to be had contained with in it. The lack of interest in this speaks volumes to me. I see other discussions being has here and they are distractions to doing things in the real world and effecting change. People have shown their qualities and interests and they are pedestrian and navel gazing. To each their own. I am done here. Only the need for a code keeps me from just getting the fark out of this goldfish bowl of a forum. Not that there are any that are better. The walking dead make poor company.

Good luck to you all. When reality strikes it will be because you ignored it approaching you.


Awe. I dont have time to press play. Yes its just too hard at this moment to face or devour this info you share.

However, when you feel so passionately about something, as you do, then that is an obvious feeling that it is wise for you to share and it has meaning.
It may take time for others to respond but that doesnt mean what you mention, completely. lol

I would read some of your thougths tho on this topic, and any others you share.

[Daozen]

Now Modwiz is posting, I have a question:

Is this quote true:

The Red Dragon representative came with concrete proposals for three new types of energy technology. The details of this technology cannot be mentioned publicly at this time because of non-disclosure agreements. What we can say is that one was thermal, one was solar and one was nuclear. They all could be game changers IF REAL. Once again, no actual device was demonstrated and so, until Japanese manufacturers do their due diligence, we need to conclude that talk is cheap and seeing is believing. The Red Dragon folk also wanted funding and were told that funding would come when proof their technology worked was obtained by the technicians now working on the case.

[Celticshaman]

Now Modwiz is posting, I have a question:

Is this quote true:

The Red Dragon representative came with concrete proposals for three new types of energy technology. The details of this technology cannot be mentioned publicly at this time because of non-disclosure agreements. What we can say is that one was thermal, one was solar and one was nuclear. They all could be game changers IF REAL. Once again, no actual device was demonstrated and so, until Japanese manufacturers do their due diligence, we need to conclude that talk is cheap and seeing is believing. The Red Dragon folk also wanted funding and were told that funding would come when proof their technology worked was obtained by the technicians now working on the case.

I can only say contact point these so called "Dragon Groups" make promises they have no intention of keeping mainly because they don't have the connections and they don't know the real dragon family! These people always use the convenient excuse of: "The cabal is after us". Or my favorite is "The cabal stopped it." Basically these excuses start whenever people catch on to their bullshit its really just a way to buy time with the victim card because sympathy sells.

[Daozen]

I can only say contact point these so called "Dragon Groups" make promises they have no intention of keeping mainly because they don't have the connections and they don't know the real dragon family! These people always use the convenient excuse of: "The cabal is after us". Or my favorite is "The cabal stopped it." Basically these excuses start whenever people catch on to their bullshit its really just a way to buy time with the victim card because sympathy sells.

You could be right, CS. I am fairly open minded to any possibility, as I have had real contact with the fringes of these groups, and deeper.

I think it's fair to give Modwiz a chance to speak, if he wants.

In my view we should get on with what we've got in the surface economy. If there are genuine financiers out there, they can find us on Kickstarter.

The fact that my February letter to the Dragons went unanswered shows to me that they are not interested in helping purify water or cure heart disease. I offered it to them on a plate, and they ignored it.

http://agarthanalliance.blogspot.tw/2014/12/request-for-asian-dragons.html

We can do it ourselves.

[modwiz]

You could be right, CS. I am fairly open minded to any possibility, as I have had real contact with the fringes of these groups, and deeper.

I think it's fair to give Modwiz a chance to speak, if he wants.

In my view we should get on with what we've got in the surface economy. If there are genuine financiers out there, they can find us on Kickstarter.

The fact that my February letter to the Dragons went unanswered shows to me that they are not interested in helping purify water or cure heart disease. I offered it to them on a plate, and they ignored it.

http://agarthanalliance.blogspot.tw/2014/12/request-for-asian-dragons.html

We can do it ourselves.

The main reason they may have ignored it was they have set up a procedure to present projects by pitching to the Ambassador where it is recorded and archived. They do not look at projects that just come by email. That is how they have set their protocols. Not to mention, already have a handful of water purification methods, all unique, and multiple ways of healing most if not all diseases included in proposals that were pitched to the Ambassador. So, to say they do not care about these things because your proposal was ignored is not correct. Things are quite exciting at TVoP these days and we get together twice a week in conferences with one of them always featuring the Ambassador joining us for hours and answering questions weekly. He sometimes joins us in the second one. We have become a community and are networking while the funding hurdles are overcome. The cabal and their banking system makes transference of funds to certain countries a real challenge. The workarounds are being set up and certain countries are easier to work from. The first project is being finalized in Europe this week and a decision was made to keep things a bit on the quiet side as to not attract unwanted attention. Doing God's work does not involve press releases. The recipients of both the funds and the services will know "it has begun".

[modwiz]

You could be right, CS. I am fairly open minded to any possibility, as I have had real contact with the fringes of these groups, and deeper.

I think it's fair to give Modwiz a chance to speak, if he wants.

In my view we should get on with what we've got in the surface economy. If there are genuine financiers out there, they can find us on Kickstarter.

The fact that my February letter to the Dragons went unanswered shows to me that they are not interested in helping purify water or cure heart disease. I offered it to them on a plate, and they ignored it.

http://agarthanalliance.blogspot.tw/2014/12/request-for-asian-dragons.html

We can do it ourselves.

The main reason they may have ignored it was they have set up a procedure to present projects by pitching to the Ambassador where it is recorded and archived. They do not look at projects that just come by email. That is how they have set their protocols. Not to mention, already have a handful of water purification methods, all unique, and multiple ways of healing most if not all diseases included in proposals that were pitched to the Ambassador. So, to say they do not care about these things because your proposal was ignored is not correct. Things are quite exciting at TVoP these days and we get together twice a week in conferences with one of them always featuring the Ambassador joining us for hours and answering questions weekly. He sometimes joins us in the second one. We have become a community and are networking while the funding hurdles are overcome. The cabal and their banking system makes transference of funds to certain countries a real challenge. The workarounds are being set up and certain countries are easier to work from. The first project is being finalized in Europe this week and a decision was made to keep things a bit on the quiet side as to not attract unwanted attention. Doing God's work does not involve press releases. The recipients of both the funds and the services will know "it has begun".

[modwiz]

I can only say contact point these so called "Dragon Groups" make promises they have no intention of keeping mainly because they don't have the connections and they don't know the real dragon family! These people always use the convenient excuse of: "The cabal is after us". Or my favorite is "The cabal stopped it." Basically these excuses start whenever people catch on to their bullshit its really just a way to buy time with the victim card because sympathy sells.

The dragon terminology gets screwy especially the difference between a family and a society. Fulford mentions the White Dragon Society, not to be confused with the White Dragon Family which is the royal family of Japan. The RDF (Red Dragon Family) is not communicating with the WDS. The would convene with the WDF, if they communicate.

Also, Mr. Sugi, or Sino is not the M-1, despite his claims. M-1's change and the current one is never identified. After the fact it is OK. Sukharno and Marcos were both M-1's at separate times. There are false promises from fake dragons and misinterpretations about what the real dragons are doing. I can sympathize with people being confused with all of the BS and misinfo floating around the internet. It would be great if Mr Sino was going to guarantee a basic income for all, unfortunately he is in no position to disburse funds. A year or so ago when a release was "immanent" he announced that the IRS would get their share of of the people's money. Feeding the beast with a massive inflow of funds is no way to bring down the cabal.

[Daozen]

Thanks for answering Modwiz. Your protocol is your own business, I understand you have your rules. I was talking in a general sense regarding all the so-called Dragon groups, the letter was put up in February 2015. Nothing but silence from all Dragons. I guess that is their free will choice. It would cost 10 cents a liter to start funding Proctor and Gamble purification sachets (not through me, just directly to Proctor and Gamble), so, from where I sit, it looks like the will/competence/funding to donate to basic water purification procedures is not there.

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Also, I wondered if this quote was true:

The Red Dragon representative came with concrete proposals for three new types of energy technology. The details of this technology cannot be mentioned publicly at this time because of non-disclosure agreements. What we can say is that one was thermal, one was solar and one was nuclear. They all could be game changers IF REAL. Once again, no actual device was demonstrated and so, until Japanese manufacturers do their due diligence, we need to conclude that talk is cheap and seeing is believing. The Red Dragon folk also wanted funding and were told that funding would come when proof their technology worked was obtained by the technicians now working on the case.

[modwiz]

Thanks for answering Modwiz. Your protocol is your own business, I understand you have your rules. I was talking in a general sense regarding all the so-called Dragon groups, the letter was put up in February 2015. Nothing but silence from all Dragons. I guess that is their free will choice. It would cost 10 cents a liter to start funding Proctor and Gamble purification sachets (not through me, just directly to Proctor and Gamble), so, from where I sit, it looks like the will/competence/funding to donate to basic water purification procedures is not there.

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Also, I wondered if this quote was true:

The Red Dragon representative came with concrete proposals for three new types of energy technology. The details of this technology cannot be mentioned publicly at this time because of non-disclosure agreements. What we can say is that one was thermal, one was solar and one was nuclear. They all could be game changers IF REAL. Once again, no actual device was demonstrated and so, until Japanese manufacturers do their due diligence, we need to conclude that talk is cheap and seeing is believing. The Red Dragon folk also wanted funding and were told that funding would come when proof their technology worked was obtained by the technicians now working on the case.

Well, I won't say that someone calling themselves a RD representative did not present themselves. I will just seriously question the authenticity of the claim. Also, the request for funding sounds like someone looking for money. We have already seen some very efficient plans for both thermal and solar.

[modwiz]

Thanks for answering Modwiz. Your protocol is your own business, I understand you have your rules. I was talking in a general sense regarding all the so-called Dragon groups, the letter was put up in February 2015. Nothing but silence from all Dragons. I guess that is their free will choice. It would cost 10 cents a liter to start funding Proctor and Gamble purification sachets (not through me, just directly to Proctor and Gamble), so, from where I sit, it looks like the will/competence/funding to donate to basic water purification procedures is not there.

*

Also, I wondered if this quote was true:

The Red Dragon representative came with concrete proposals for three new types of energy technology. The details of this technology cannot be mentioned publicly at this time because of non-disclosure agreements. What we can say is that one was thermal, one was solar and one was nuclear. They all could be game changers IF REAL. Once again, no actual device was demonstrated and so, until Japanese manufacturers do their due diligence, we need to conclude that talk is cheap and seeing is believing. The Red Dragon folk also wanted funding and were told that funding would come when proof their technology worked was obtained by the technicians now working on the case.

Well, I won't say that someone calling themselves a RD representative did not present themselves. I will just seriously question the authenticity of the claim. Also, the request for funding sounds like someone looking for money. We have already seen some very efficient plans for both thermal and solar.

[Celticshaman]

The dragon terminology gets screwy especially the difference between a family and a society. Fulford mentions the White Dragon Society, not to be confused with the White Dragon Family which is the royal family of Japan. The RDF (Red Dragon Family) is not communicating with the WDS. The would convene with the WDF, if they communicate.

Also, Mr. Sugi, or Sino is not the M-1, despite his claims. M-1's change and the current one is never identified. After the fact it is OK. Sukharno and Marcos were both M-1's at separate times. There are false promises from fake dragons and misinterpretations about what the real dragons are doing. I can sympathize with people being confused with all of the BS and misinfo floating around the internet. It would be great if Mr Sino was going to guarantee a basic income for all, unfortunately he is in no position to disburse funds. A year or so ago when a release was "immanent" he announced that the IRS would get their share of of the people's money. Feeding the beast with a massive inflow of funds is no way to bring down the cabal. Yep that was my point people make promises that they can't keep and make claims that aren't valid! If I had a hundred dollars for every time a fake dragon group came forward I would be a millionaire by now ;) Btw your right about not feeding the beast! I can only say that anyone who would claim that a single cent should be given to a cabal front group shouldn't be trusted.

[Entity]

Such anonymity was fated to end and as a result, Mikael Bo peep has lost his sheep.

Go forth and stupify.

[Daozen]

Well, I won't say that someone calling themselves a RD representative did not present themselves. I will just seriously question the authenticity of the claim. Also, the request for funding sounds like someone looking for money. We have already seen some very efficient plans for both thermal and solar.

Fair enough, thanks for answering. Thermal and Solar are interesting. Nuclear goes against the wishes of the vast majority of people on this planet. Microgeneration is the way forward.