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Aianawa
27th April 2015, 04:02
Mr Tolle >

The pain-body awakens from its dormancy when it gets hungry, when it is time to replenish itself. Alternatively, it may get triggered by an event at any time. The pain- body that is ready to feed can use the most insignificant event as a trigger, something somebody says or does, or even a thought. If you live alone or there is nobody around at the time, the pain-body will feed on your thoughts.

Suddenly, your thinking becomes deeply negative. You were most likely unaware that just prior to the influx of negative thinking a wave of emotion invaded your mind—as a dark and heavy mood, as anxiety or fiery anger. All thought is energy and the pain-body is now feeding on the energy of your thoughts. But it cannot feed on any thought. You don’t need to be particularly sensitive to notice that a positive thought has a totally different feeling-tone than a negative one. It is the same energy, but it vibrates at a different frequency. A happy, positive thought is indigestible to the pain-body. It can only feed on negative thoughts because only those thoughts are compatible with its own energy field.

All things are vibrating energy fields in ceaseless motion. The chair you sit on, the book you are holding in your hands appear solid and motionless only because that is how your senses perceive their vibrational frequency, that is to say, the incessant movement of the molecules, atoms, electrons, and subatomic particles that together create what you perceive as a chair, a book, a tree, or a body. What we perceive as physical matter is energy vibrating (moving) at a particular range of frequencies. Thoughts consist of the same energy vibrating at a higher frequency than matter, which is why they cannot be seen or touched. Thoughts have their own range of frequencies, with negative thoughts at the lower end of the scale and positive thoughts at the higher. The vibrational frequency of the pain-body resonates with that of negative thoughts, which is why only those thoughts can feed the pain-body.

The usual pattern of thought creating emotion is reversed in the case of the pain-body, at least initially. Emotion from the pain-body quickly gains control of your thinking, and once your mind has been taken over by the pain-body, your thinking becomes negative. The voice in your head will be telling sad, anxious, or angry stories about yourself or your life, about other people, about past, future, or imaginary events. The voice will be blaming, accusing, complaining, imagining. And you are totally identified with whatever the voice says, believe all its distorted thoughts. At that point, the addiction to unhappiness has set in.

It is not so much that you cannot stop your train of negative thoughts, but that you don’t want to. This is because the pain-body at that time is living through you, pretending to be you. And to the pain-body, pain is pleasure. It eagerly devours every negative thought. In fact, the usual voice in your head has now become the voice of the pain-body. It has taken over the internal dialogue. A vicious circle becomes established between the pain-body and your thinking. Every thought feeds the pain-body and in turn the pain-body generates more thoughts. At some point, after a few hours or even a few days, it has replenished itself and returns to its dormant stage, leaving behind a depleted organism and a body that is much more susceptible to illness. If that sounds to you like a psychic parasite, you are right. That’s exactly what it is.

The beginning of freedom from the pain-body lies first of all in the realization that you have a pain-body. Then, more important, in your ability to stay present enough, alert enough, to notice the pain-body in yourself as a heavy influx of negative emotion when it becomes active. When it is recognized, it can no longer pretend to be you and live and renew itself through you.

It is your conscious Presence that breaks the identification with the pain-body. When you don’t identify with it, the pain-body can no longer control your thinking and so cannot renew itself anymore by feeding on your thoughts. The pain-body in most cases does not dissolve immediately, but once you have severed the link between it and your thinking, the pain-body begins to lose energy. Your thinking ceases to be clouded by emotion; your present perceptions are no longer distorted by the past. The energy that was trapped in the pain-body then changes its vibrational frequency and is transmuted into Presence.

Dreamtimer
27th April 2015, 14:52
I want to give my pain body a name.

Aianawa
27th April 2015, 21:31
It can be such a sneaky monkey, I tried calling it lovingly, unt, but it knew what I really meant lol.

Seriously though, naming it may help but making friends with it, mmmm debatable

Dreamtimer
28th April 2015, 04:45
Names have power.

Aianawa
29th April 2015, 03:43
Names indeed have power and I am a wee bit interested in what your name for your pain body will be/is ?.

This thread was more aimed at peoples who were finding balance difficult on forum of late and hopefulllly was helpfullll to someone.

Is always good for myself to go over the sneaky pain body words above lol.

Dreamtimer
29th April 2015, 06:07
Haven't come up with a name yet. That was my instinctive reaction to the thought of having a pain body. I may not be able to post it here...

citrine15
29th April 2015, 08:39
Hi aianawa, great thread, mine is called ambi, it's meaning is- both. I called it this because of the effect it had on both my thinking and emotions. I'm teaching my eldest daughter about ambi, as she suffers with it too. Xxx blessed be xxx

Aianawa
29th April 2015, 11:17
Your an angel, tis true love to teach ones children about the pain body.

Aianawa
1st May 2015, 04:09
After meditating on the idea of giving the pain body a name, simply acknowledging you have a pain body is naming it and that is the first step as such, giving it a name would personalise it but then it is a very personnel relationship lol

Aianawa
6th May 2016, 07:04
How can we respond to the/ones pain body >


http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Eckhart+Tolle+Pain+Body&view=detail&mid=62ABCE2BFE16DB9C6D4D62ABCE2BFE16DB9C6D4D&FORM=VIRE


http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Eckhart+Tolle+Pain+Body&view=detail&mid=62ABCE2BFE16DB9C6D4D62ABCE2BFE16DB9C6D4D&FORM=VIRE

enjoy being
28th March 2018, 12:36
Oh okay we can this one? :-D

So don't get me wrong identifying an existence in the concept of a 'painbody' is very useful and a great tool.
It is accurate in describing a process of part of a system, in which the separating off of an identifier such as, 'painbody' is useful for comprehension and absorption.
It is eventually limited by not being the complete analogy.
The polarities involved in our way of experiencing requires an intelligent sensor for both pain and joy.
The circuit of the joy and pain bodies interacting, is a more accurate depiction of what feeds either on their own.

The flutter of joy has been described as being possible because of the experiencing and understanding of various forms and feats of suffering.

Aianawa
28th March 2018, 16:48
Often tis about needing valjdation, that's where the guitar playing can happen, others validate your pain bodies position, desire etc.

palooka's revenge
28th March 2018, 17:33
Oh okay we can this one? :-D

So don't get me wrong identifying an existence in the concept of a 'painbody' is very useful and a great tool.
It is accurate in describing a process of part of a system, in which the separating off of an identifier such as, 'painbody' is useful for comprehension and absorption.
It is eventually limited by not being the complete analogy.
The polarities involved in our way of experiencing requires an intelligent sensor for both pain and joy.
The circuit of the joy and pain bodies interacting, is a more accurate depiction of what feeds either on their own.

The flutter of joy has been described as being possible because of the experiencing and understanding of various forms and feats of suffering.


I think I'm following U and purddy much agree. Here's what I'm working on:

My body is holding everything I haven't managed to deny out of my base energy field. Pain is a feeling manifesting in body in one or more of various forms, as a result of experiencing trauma in some form. There is much pain being held in body. Some of this I am conscious of. Much of it operates below the conscious level. Iow, the dis-conscious, my un-conscious? Is this the same as Jung's subconscious? I dunno. I just call it the gap. Its estranged from my conscious self.

When someone “snaps” and goes on a shooting spree killing the spouse, the kids, and then themselves, something triggered the survival chakra into ignition. What had been held down rose up and did the deed.

Yeah, that 3rd part (self kills self) sounds like a contradiction eh? Yes and no, depending on how I look at it.

But to my un-evolved survival chakra, anything and everything is a potential threat. Even the rest of my selves. Many of those selves may not be in alignment with each other on the idea that, every pov is right in and of itself. But I didn't come pre-trained. And none of my parts understood that idea. Didn't know the idea in and of itself wasn't a threat. Didn't know I had to manifest experience to gain the understandings. Didn't know to move with the feelings without acting them out.

I felt this, I felt that. Even got a woody! But something didn't feel good. Didn't feel good at all.

And so, I thought this, I thought that. And concluded I didn't want to feel this way. So I shoved it out. And down. Down, down, down. Into that red s**t hole.

Fundamentally there are 4 parts to true earth spirits: spirit, will, body, heart. Of these spirit (S) and will (W) are parental.

In body, S manifests as mind (which is not limited to the head), W as the magnetic center in body. H, the balance point between them and manifest in body. In body S communicates as thought patterns and inspiration. W communicates as feelings and intuition.

S = electro. W = magnetic. Electromagnetism. EM, the dance between the electro and the magnetic. The + and the -. The male and the female. The father and the mother. The polarities of the one.

Sometimes that energetic interaction, that dynamic, that dance of communication between my spirit and my will is a beautiful thing. Sometimes, all hell breaks loose.

In context of As Above So Below I can extrapolate that scenario all the way to the godhead. Maybe things weren't all that lovey dovey in the beginning. Maybe that's why we call it the big bang.

And now u guys know a lot more about me...

Maggie
28th March 2018, 18:28
But to my un-evolved survival chakra, anything and everything is a potential threat. Even the rest of my selves. Many of those selves may not be in alignment with each other on the idea that, every pov is right in and of itself. But I didn't come pre-trained. And none of my parts understood that idea. Didn't know the idea in and of itself wasn't a threat. Didn't know I had to manifest experience to gain the understandings. Didn't know to move with the feelings without acting them out.

..............................
Fundamentally there are 4 parts to true earth spirits: spirit, will, body, heart. Of these spirit (S) and will (W) are parental.

In body, S manifests as mind (which is not limited to the head), W as the magnetic center in body. H, the balance point between them and manifest in body. In body S communicates as thought patterns and inspiration. W communicates as feelings and intuition.

S = electro. W = magnetic. Electromagnetism. EM, the dance between the electro and the magnetic. The + and the -. The male and the female. The father and the mother. The polarities of the one.

Sometimes that energetic interaction, that dynamic, that dance of communication between my spirit and my will is a beautiful thing. Sometimes, all hell breaks loose.

In context of As Above So Below I can extrapolate that scenario all the way to the godhead. Maybe things weren't all that lovey dovey in the beginning. Maybe that's why we call it the big bang.

And now u guys know a lot more about me...

Welcome to the forum. Your input is interesting and thanks.

I had terrible colic and literally screamed for months. My GI track was disturbed. That is part of the skin.My mother did not hold me much EVER and I never hugged and snuggled easily until I learned as an adult. Now I am a massage therapist so my focus lately is on the relationship of touch, the skin, social alienation and disease AND well being in social situations, empathy and kindness being relatable to a functioning MEMBRANE that is physically at the skin and energetically in our reality bubble....

I recall reading that Bruce Lipton started his career as a cell biologist and found that cells move away from environmental threats and toward beneficial conditions. Then he postulated that the "brain" of the cell is in the membrane and that is one very interesting point to me.

I do look at the world as being perceived energy and information. In taking the analogy of the cell the "membrane" or the interface between "us" and the world is really important as a first line to trigger self protection.

I like Tolle's "pain body" metaphor but I think it is not a real "thing". IMo it is not the territory but a map kind of description. Even if we are not aware, I think we may receive information at the "skin" level of energetic kinds. Some are more defensive and reactionary about perceived threats (easy going versus hypersensitive).

IMO we ARE conditioned to be hypervigilant to perceived threats. Maybe in a different map explanation, the narcissist (with a tendency to be all superficial) is triggered by any perceived social (memberane) threat. Living just on the surface, BUT always attentive and responsive to the "social" context their skin brain system is hyperaroused to the extreme. the inner signals of heart brain are dulled? These folks are very "touchy". Someone with a hypersensitive perceptual system who closes off their signals form the autistic spectrum?

The calmed arousal membrane (skin brain) system can attend to inner signals and is less influenced by social pressures to feel good?

In any case, I KNOW that when babies are held, they are naturally less in pain. Later those of us who were never held, actually may find INTIMACY very painful. We who were deprived of kindness and comfort may be actually seemingly preferring discord and fighting? It is all IMO an individual reaction but a PRIMARY cause.

There is actually a "holding therapy" for children that works to help them tolerate others more and be more "normally" socially responsive.
IMO the pain BODY is our under developed skin brain. Just one idea but worth being SERIOUS about holding, snuggling and constantly touching babies and KNOW that touch is vital for all to feel well. Even if we are awkward and doubt it helps to hug, get some, get more, give them and receive them and see how you can learn to feel!

Dreamtimer
28th March 2018, 21:45
Really good points, Maggie. Touch is so important. If I know someone well enough, even barely, I hug them hello and goodbye. Hugs are a great form of touch.

enjoy being
29th March 2018, 00:16
Subject A loves to laugh for they are free of burdens.
Subject B loves to laugh for it adds value to the moments of pain.

As equally unnoticeable to us sometimes, our enjoyment in the 'joy' body can be explicitly linked with contrasting itself with pain from the pain body.
The way food tastes good when you are hungry.
The way absence makes the heart grow fonder.
The search for the perfect wave of joy is totally connected with the pain body, in that our sensory quantification of events is metered by comparing and contrasting polarities.

Our interactions between joy and pain are that which gives us drive and motivation. In this way, the pain body becomes a catalyser. To be aware of it seems very much like a good thing, but trying to remove it or completely eradicate it is futile for a number of reasons. (And I realise that is not the point for many speaking about 'pain body')
Pointing back to just awareness of the concept of the dynamic being the important bit. Action to counter it seems impossible to do consciously, and perhaps 'action' just comes about by itself.
I still think it is important within the concept, to acknowledge the even slipperier contribution that the joy body makes to the energising of the pain body.
Think, addiction. Whether it be to substances of energies. It might be someone who "Loves Christmas".

For decades, without knowing about the term 'painbody', I have seen people interacting from within such stances and have been quite aware of the state of the hurt. And what becomes obvious is that people are attached to their little ratwheels. They can project to xmas, or they can set up landings between the rapids they have created, and the xmas landings become just a full of fuel as the points of pain on their anthropological map.
Sometimes things are called pain because they do not compare well to the points on the joy body. Sometimes they work well to give more value to a joy though. So sometimes some of the painbody locations are nurtured. Other ones are real and represent pain which has not reward at the end, but many are in a dependency loop with a favoured joy.
Some are natural systems. That is why much of it exists. You know, like being warm is joyful so being cold is painful or the large example of the chemical bliss of sex as a 'bribe' to make humans want to reproduce, and how the modern world has tapped into sex bliss as a joybody medication for the pain body, without realising that's what it is doing.
But as we have started playing with props and fake environments in the modern world, the re-wiring has been a bit absent minded. By not being aware of these levels of intelligence, we just react as things come towards us and blame archetypes. But by being able to have perspective and begin to see our selves in action, we are learning to describe these concepts and to focus and refine and improve on them in understanding of the phenomenon they describe.

Aianawa
29th March 2018, 04:18
Loved reading your post, still digesting, If one in their pain body is aware of the pain inflicted upon themselves or another, imo one has moved to different terrortory, maybe another facet but definitely not the unacknowledged pain body.

palooka's revenge
29th March 2018, 08:48
The way I see it what Tolle is describing/defining as the painbody is what I loosely referred to @ #13 as the gap. He's far from the 1st to attempt to mitigate it, to tame it. Collectively we make a good audience as this is something we all attempt to do as it purddy much has us all by the short hairs. Unfortunately though, with very little success. Sooner or later its gonna get triggered (there are reasons most of which have been lost to consciousness). This is part of why we're all ears when someone forwards what may appear to be a new idea.

I give him BIG credit for recognizing that to be there with it is a sin quo non in the process bid'ness. But bottom line, the best such tactics will muster in the healing bid'ness is as a coping mechanism. Its as an allopathic solution to an homopathic malady. Which is to say a cover up. And does little to forward healing of original causality. Way too many of us have come to believe that coping is the best we can expect.

Dumpster Diver
29th March 2018, 15:06
...as one who has used consciousness and massage to alleviate pain and movement restrictions in my own body, which was deemed “not correctable” but by surgery or pain pills, I’ll say this: in many cases you can use meditation, yoga, and massage to correct such. But you must believe it works, and work on the pain area every day, and in the case of painful joints, several times a day. And you cannot flinch from causing pain while working on the area.

Wind
29th March 2018, 19:43
We often don't want to face to our pain and choose to run away from it. Why? Because it's painful, obviously. You can run, but you can't hide from it though. Sooner or later you will have to face it, because otherwise it will always remain as a problem. Pain is real, it is part of life. It can be transcened though. I do feel that divine love is the answer.

"People are afraid of themselves, of their own reality; their feelings most of all. People talk about how great love is, but that’s bullshit. Love hurts. Feelings are disturbing. People are taught that pain is evil and dangerous. How can they deal with love if they’re afraid to feel? Pain is meant to wake us up. People try to hide their pain. But they’re wrong. Pain is something to carry, like a radio. You feel your strength in the experience of pain. It’s all in how you carry it. That’s what matters. Pain is a feeling. Your feelings are a part of you. Your own reality. If you feel ashamed of them, and hide them, you’re letting society destroy your reality. You should stand up for your right to feel your pain."

~ Jim Morrison

https://i.pinimg.com/564x/9c/35/92/9c359295ef42a18aa71ee7d9030ffa0c.jpg

Maggie
30th March 2018, 02:02
...as one who has used consciousness and massage to alleviate pain and movement restrictions in my own body, which was deemed “not correctable” but by surgery or pain pills, I’ll say this: in many cases you can use meditation, yoga, and massage to correct such. But you must believe it works, and work on the pain area every day, and in the case of painful joints, several times a day. And you cannot flinch from causing pain while working on the area.

My happy experience is that since I started practicing as a massage therapist, I have lost the low back pain that I had chronically been experiencing. Also, my energy level has amped up tremendously. It is definitely the best new stage in my life ever. I have 100% faith that any aspect of the physical is remediable through care and attention.

One helpful theorist about pain in the back I encounetered is Dr Sarno. When we have physical pain, there is an added fear that we will hurt ourelves further by using the body.For instance with back pain, people sometimes stop exercising for fear that we will have further injury. I did realize that I need not worry that my back ached but it still hurt. Then I started a new career that may lead to making enough money to actually pay my bills. Since low back pain is related to basic survival concerns, this AND loving doing the work has been WONDERFUL.


The late Dr. John Sarno, a professor of rehabilitation medicine, used mind-body techniques to treat patients with severe low back pain. His specialty was those who have already had surgery for low back pain and did not get any relief. This is a tough group of patients, yet he claimed to have a greater than 80 percent success rate using techniques like the Emotional Freedom Techniques (EFT). A recent Vox article6 discusses Sarno's unconventional treatment strategies for back pain, citing feedback from enthusiastic patients:

"'Thousands of people, including myself and my husband, cured our chronic back pain using [Sarno's] methods,' wrote Karen Karvonen. Another Sarno devotee, Steven Schroeder, said the doctor changed his life. Schroeder's back pain flared whenever he was stressed — a busy time at work, an illness in his family.

After he absorbed Sarno's books, the discomfort mostly vanished. 'I still sometimes have pain now in times of stress — but I can literally make it go away with mental focus,' Schroeder, a lawyer in Chicago, wrote in an email. 'It is crazy.'

Though he may not be a household name, Sarno is probably America's most famous back pain doctor. Before his death on June 22, a day shy of his 94th birthday, he published four books and built a cult-like following of thousands of patients … Many of them claim to have been healed by Sarno, who essentially argued back pain was all in people's heads."

Before his death, Sarno was even the subject of a full-length documentary, "All the Rage: Saved by Sarno," produced through Kickstarter donations. The film is expected to become available on Netflix before the end of the year. He was also featured in a "20/20" segment in 1999 (below).

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As noted by Sarno in "All the Rage" — a four-minute trailer of which is included above — "I tell [my patient] what's going on, and lo and behold, it stops hurting." The "what" that is going on is not a physical problem at all — it's emotions: anger; fear; frustration; rage. https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2017/10/25/back-pain-repressed-emotions.aspx

Here is an audio book from the late Dr. Sarno

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Dreamtimer
30th March 2018, 12:30
I just had a massage the other day. I rarely get them. The therapist mentioned the lymph system and how massage helps to move it and keep the body cleansed. Activity is so important for this and people are very sedentary.

I can see how giving massage would help as well. You're moving and working your body and also engaging in a healing, therapeutic type activity.

Maggie
30th March 2018, 13:41
I just had a massage the other day. I rarely get them. The therapist mentioned the lymph system and how massage helps to move it and keep the body cleansed. Activity is so important for this and people are very sedentary.

I can see how giving massage would help as well. You're moving and working your body and also engaging in a healing, therapeutic type activity.

Did you like how the massage felt? Did the experience leave a lasting impression (massage joke haha)
IMO Massage RULES hehe...do I sound objective?

Did you see this news?


Lurking just under your skin might be a new organ only now identified for the first time, say a team of scientists.

In a new study published in the journal Scientific Reports, researchers from New York University's School of Medicine say they have found a new organ they're calling the "interstitium."

It's nearly everywhere—just below the skin's surface, surrounding arteries and veins, casing the fibrous tissue between muscles, and lining our digestive tracts, lungs, and urinary systems.

It looks like a mesh. The interstitium is a layer of fluid-filled compartments strung together in a web of collagen and a flexible protein called elastin. Previously, scientists thought the layer was simply dense connective tissue. https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2018/03/interstitium-fluid-cells-organ-found-cancer-spd/

The implications are for me that it is a vast communication network touching every cell. Fluid highways and byways... is this the innernet? I found also this week new support that water imprints information.

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Dreamtimer
30th March 2018, 13:50
It's a kind of missing biological link. I was reading about it yesterday.

The massage I just had wasn't my favorite, but it was a good one. I was wakeful, it was only noon, and I was talkative. I was talkative another time, a few years ago. Otherwise, I've been pretty quiet during massages. That has almost always been directly connected to my mood, unless I was just really tired. I don't get them often.

The fellow who gave it to me was the senior therapist there, it was a health center attached to a hospital. He works with a lot of elderly people. He had quite a vigorous style.

Interestingly, He talked about the art of receiving a massage. The ability to relax. He also described me as very 'energetic'. :meditating:

Elen
30th March 2018, 14:40
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Thanks Maggie...that was GREAT! :D I wish I had a microscope now.

BeastOfBologna
30th March 2018, 14:50
The way I see it what Tolle is describing/defining as the painbody is what I loosely referred to @ #13 as the gap. He's far from the 1st to attempt to mitigate it, to tame it. Collectively we make a good audience as this is something we all attempt to do as it purddy much has us all by the short hairs. Unfortunately though, with very little success. Sooner or later its gonna get triggered (there are reasons most of which have been lost to consciousness). This is part of why we're all ears when someone forwards what may appear to be a new idea.

I give him BIG credit for recognizing that to be there with it is a sin quo non in the process bid'ness. But bottom line, the best such tactics will muster in the healing bid'ness is as a coping mechanism. Its as an allopathic solution to an homopathic malady. Which is to say a cover up. And does little to forward healing of original causality. Way too many of us have come to believe that coping is the best we can expect.

Palooka, you're laying it out there, baby... :)