Clinton campaign ? [Archive]

Tonz

14th April 2015, 09:54

Although the clintons have made me feel ill over the years , but that aside i wish to understand the american take on the next elections.

Was listening to a radio talk yesterday about the ''hilary campaign '', for up and coming party elections . She apparently has started with a very low key ,very family type , family caring , message but at the same time she has a lot of political experience so her plan would be slow but strong and heat it up when its time.

In this link scroll down to second vid for the message i'm talking about.http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/13/us/politics/hillary-clinton-2016-presidential-campaign.html?_r=0

In the discussion they were presenting a few other candidates but it doesn't yet seem that there will be a huge opposition , not like last time,the obama campaign was strong.So what do you guys think of it because from here in Aus. there doesn't seem much talk about anyone else except her....

Of course later the national elections are another story and no matter what i do not believe that the u.s., will and are ready in any way to place a woman as president.

I remember last time when obama was about to win his first presidency, the general saying in the u.s. even from opposition voters , was put into a phrase and i quote : '' we would vote in a black man long before a woman'' .

I wonder these days, 8 years down the track ,would that expression still be strong .?

There is another area that i don't have clear and equally so,from the opposition . Is there a strong name on the way?Who should we be watching out for ?

Dreamtimer

14th April 2015, 10:14

In America the black man always gets it first. Freedom, the vote, civil rights, whatever. The election of Barack Obama opened the door for a woman. Whether it's Hillary or someone else, the door is now open. That's the pattern of history.

Tonz

14th April 2015, 10:21

Dreamtimer , do you think that clinton has a chance .I feel she will probably win her party elections but the top job?

Dreamtimer

14th April 2015, 10:41

She has a chance, I believe. As always, the big question is how many will vote? As crazy as politics has been since 2000 I don't know what's going to happen. I am personally disgusted with all the voter id B.S. which is nothing but an effort to suppress voters. Election fraud in America is not about people voting in others' places. The voter id drive is a big fat red herring being perpetrated by those who were sure that they would have a permanent majority after the Reagan years and are determined to bring it about in whatever way they can. Remember what Justice Sandra Day O'Connor said, "The Republican Party has a problem. For the first time in the history of our country they are trying to amend the Constitution to restrict Americans' rights. We have always amended the Constitution to expand rights." In this case she was referring to the Defense of Marriage Act. If I were to call for a major "wake up" it would be to the American people to wake up to what's going on and vote!

shamanseeker

14th April 2015, 11:46

I think Hillary Clinton is a lot more powerful than we realize. She told the Americans she would get Amanda Knox (the American girl I believe killed or helped to kill in a satanic ritual the night of Halloween in Perugia in Italy an English girl called Meredith Kirchner) out of prison and back to America. It happened and then Knox and her ex-boyfriend were found not-guilty for the second time recently. OK, in Italy you can be tried more than once for a crime - but 3 times? Even here it's strange. Knox is an illuminati name. Just think of John Knox, the vile leader of Scotland during Mary Queen of Scot's time.

Tonz

14th April 2015, 12:11

Wind

14th April 2015, 16:05

Another psychopath Bush or Clinton in the White (devil's) house? Dear Lord, help us all... http://www.h2g2.com/h2g2/skins/Alabaster/images/Smilies/f_facepalm.gif

Brigand Doom

14th April 2015, 17:07

Just for the record, I do not believe for one minute that the POTUS is actually elected, not now with those electronic voting machines that have been proven to be open to "manipulation", not that the POTUS has actually been the head of anything but theatre for decades :belief:

Pushing that psychopathic monster as a family orientated champion of the ordinary citizen is enough to make anyone sick, what crimes hasn't she committed ?

& please no one say how strong she is because she stood by Bill after Monica, Hillary has bedded far more women than he ever will.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIY0pIvz6Ck

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6sK2mDtsgI

Aragorn

14th April 2015, 17:50

Yes i remember the case about those girls ,clinton has powerful and backstage influences though out Europe , i have no doubt.

But it is the spellmerized nationalized worker / voter that will put her in the top seat ,is that possible .Or is her campaign just a joy ride while she knows the opposition will win.? Or is she serious?

I'm not a US American, but yes, she is definitely serious -- for what it's worth, she's a Bilderberger. That doesn't mean she will actually win, but this whole thing does make me think of the Project Camelot interview with Dan Burisch, in which he mentioned a time line where Hillary Clinton would be president, and there would be an assassination attempt on her, but more importantly even. that particular time line is actually a rather catastrophic one too for humanity. Hillary Clinton is a very dangerous woman -- a true Machiavellian, and a born liar.

When she ran against Obama for nomination as presidential candidate for the Democratic Party, she really wanted to win and run for president of the USA, but she was told "Not yet. Withdraw now and let Obama win. Your time will come." And so Obama won the nomination and then the elections, and it was believed in the alternative community that the catastrophic time line had been averted and that we were now on the time line where everything would work out for the better on this planet. However, if Hillary wins the nomination now and then wins the presidential elections, then I'm not so sure that we'd still be on the positive time line. (Always keep in mind that the Illuminati do not play things by the calendar, but by the unfolding of events, whenever it is that they unfold.)

I'd recommend that anyone interested in this topic watch Project Camelot's interviews with Dan Burisch -- you can find them all here (https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Dan+Burisch+Project+Camelot). There are several of them, including a workshop he gave with his girlfriend, Marci McDowell. In addition to that, I have to say that "Burisch" -- his real name is Captain Daniel Craine, retired from the USAF, and he's a member of MJ-12 -- isn't being completely truthful on all subjects, as you will be able to glean from his body language, but I do believe that at least a large part of what he talks about would be real.

Wind

14th April 2015, 18:49

Brigand Doom

14th April 2015, 19:04

I'm not a US American, but yes, she is definitely serious -- for what it's worth, she's a Bilderberger. That doesn't mean she will actually win, but this whole thing does make me think of the Project Camelot interview with Dan Burisch, in which he mentioned a time line where Hillary Clinton would be president, and there would be an assassination attempt on her.

I would argue that the assassination attempt has already come to pass, remember that episode on a plane ? A trip to Iran I think, one guy died & she had a serious head injury.

it would be the lesser of two evils, then again he's just a puppet. He's just not as insane as Hillary is.

Only because he has zero power over anything, he just gets sent off to play golf the minute anything happens, as an American friend of mine likes to say "he does what he is told or they will take his cocaine & boyfriends away".

Ultimately either of them (or Jeb Bush) will be working for the same cabal that they all have worked for, or end up like JFK.

john parslow

14th April 2015, 21:22

Did I miss something here, I thought this woman should have been indicted for war crimes and not least erasing her hard drives when information of her nefarious doings were discovered - and she is being allowed to run for the highest office in the land!

Sometimes I just want to stop this crazy world and get off ... :whstl:

Aragorn

14th April 2015, 22:05

With Obama they used the race card and made a really appealing campaign "yes we can" (tried to made him look like Martin Luther King, Jr. 2.0), with Hillary they will be using the "equality" card, first woman and so forth. If Obomber gets re-"elected" then it would be the lesser of two evils, then again he's just a puppet. He's just not as insane as Hillary is.

Well, Obama cannot get re-elected because he's already in his second term, and the US Constitution forbids a president from serving more than two consecutive terms. The same was true in Russia, for instance, which is why Putin had himself replaced by Medvedev after his two terms, and then succeeded Medvedev again after he in turn had fulfilled one term.

A wise man once told me: "Every politician should be made to serve two terms: one in office, and one in jail." I'd agree with that. :p

Aragorn

14th April 2015, 22:09

I'm not a US American, but yes, she is definitely serious -- for what it's worth, she's a Bilderberger. That doesn't mean she will actually win, but this whole thing does make me think of the Project Camelot interview with Dan Burisch, in which he mentioned a time line where Hillary Clinton would be president, and there would be an assassination attempt on her.I would argue that the assassination attempt has already come to pass, remember that episode on a plane ? A trip to Iran I think, one guy died & she had a serious head injury.

Yes, but she has survived that, whereas what Dan Burisch said was that she was already going to be president when the assassination attempt takes place, and she would die. (At least, if I remember that correctly. It's been a few years, mind you.)

Wind

15th April 2015, 00:30

Well, Obama cannot get re-elected because he's already in his second term, and the US Constitution forbids a president from serving more than two consecutive terms.

I forgot that... The next few years will be interesting for sure. :fpalm:

GCS1103

15th April 2015, 01:14

Outlander

15th April 2015, 03:22

Dreamtimer , do you think that clinton has a chance .I feel she will probably win her party elections but the top job?
She will win big time.

Finally women can vote for a woman, so she already has their votes in her pocket.

Top 5 Likeliest US Presidents in 2016

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoBXPverHOw

And than there is of course Jeb Bush...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZbI9iJ4mS8

Divine Feminine

15th April 2015, 03:30

I'm convinced the elections in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA are rigged. Ever heard of Bev Harris of blackboxvoting.org? When you research all the discrepancies it's hard to believe there's such a thing as fair elections anymore.

Seikou-Kishi

15th April 2015, 04:00

It's time for the Bush/Clinton dynasties to come to an end. Unfortunately, both families are extremely powerful and cannot stay away from the political arena. There's something so "wrong" about them and the thought of a Jeb Bush/Hillary Clinton election choice is very frightening.

The phrase "the devil and the deep blue sea" comes to mind.

I'm convinced the elections in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA are rigged. Ever heard of Bev Harris of blackboxvoting.org? When you research all the discrepancies it's hard to believe there's such a thing as fair elections anymore.

You and the rest of the forum lol.

Tonz

15th April 2015, 07:51

Ok I know she is evil every one ! but my point was also in consideration to the opposition within the party , Does she really have any?Is there anyone else with the slimmest chance or is her presentation one of a more symbolic one.

As far as rigging elections in the u.s. i feel it to be true and most effective when things are tight as it could always seem to be possible whatever outcome . But, a land slide victory to be rigged in the u.s. perhaps is something else.(just my outside opinion).As you run the risk of rebellion of an armed state.

Remembering the obama and clinton race there was quite a time on more or less even pols for the two of them until the later mounth of the campaign where obama was clear to win.

Aragorn

15th April 2015, 09:08

Ok I know she is evil every one ! but my point was also in consideration to the opposition within the party , Does she really have any?Is there anyone else with the slimmest chance or is her presentation one of a more symbolic one.

I'm afraid that even the party-specific presidential candidate nominations themselves are rigged. After all, both the Republican and Democratic parties are ultimately controlled by the same people. The whole thing, from start to finish -- or otherwise put, from running for party nomination all the way up to running for president -- is just a charade. It's all make-believe.

David Rockefeller: "Mr. Clinton, if you were running for President, would you support NAFTA?"
Bill Clinton: "Well, I don't know what NAFTA is, but if it's good for the United States of America, then I would support it."
David Rockefeller: "Thank you, Mr. President."

Tonz

15th April 2015, 09:49

1182 1183

so in this land of make believe what is it then that is planned for these elections . Any predictions.!

Dreamtimer

15th April 2015, 12:07

I read an article on Veterans Today about voting issues in America. The machines are a big problem. I don't trust them. The outright undermining of democracy in Wisconsin is outrageous. Americans are asleep at the wheel when it comes to this stuff, IMO. All the negative campaigning combined with the lies causes people to not vote and that's when the real troublemakers get (got) their tentacles in everything. I have a bad feeling about the direction voting and elections are going. As for the choice between Clinton and Bush, I guess I'll take the demon over the devil. But which is which?

Tonz

15th April 2015, 12:19

I guess I'll take the demon over the devil. But which is which?

:ttr: tough choice!.

Momlvsducks

15th April 2015, 12:26

I think it is still early on. Hillary is trying to get a head start.

As far as how much control she has..

I remember the last year of Mr Clinton's presidency.

We had two "H" hurricaines that year-- the second named Hilliary....

I guess she didn't have enough pull to make the original list.

Tonz

15th April 2015, 12:34

i was reading around and the general sensuous is a little like what is below from http://www.vox.com/2015/2/17/8047957/hillary-clinton-opponents

Hillary Clinton is essentially running unopposed for the Democratic Party nomination in 2016. Yes, Bernie Sanders is in the race. But he has so little support that his natural core constituency is pouring all its time and energy into trying to nudge Elizabeth Warren into the race. But she's not running.

It's a problem. A problem for the Democratic Party, a problem for the United States of America, and ultimately a problem for Hillary Clinton herself.

Not because there's anything wrong with Clinton as a nominee per se. But because there's a lot wrong with a non-existent primary campaign and an untested candidate. Everyone � in many ways including Clinton herself � would be better off if a serious candidate such as Warren, Joe Biden, or someone else managed to enter the race with enough backing and plausibility to force Clinton into a real campaign. That would mean real debates, real media strategy, real policy rollouts, and all the other accompaniments of a presidential nominating congress.

Anything less leaves her dangerously unprepared as she heads into the ultimate contest with a Republican who will have emerged battle-tested from an unusually deep field of plausible contenders.

The One

15th April 2015, 12:52

http://www.zengardner.com/wp-content/uploads/soonverysoon.jpg

Tonz

15th April 2015, 12:54

:hilarious::hilarious::spinning::ha::ha:

Aragorn

15th April 2015, 13:32

http://www.zengardner.com/wp-content/uploads/soonverysoon.jpg

:hilarious::hilarious::spinning::ha::ha:

<wipes the coffee off of the monitor> :ha:

Tonz

15th April 2015, 13:44

OMG every time i click on this page I crack up again!

Dreamtimer

15th April 2015, 13:50

Carbon Leaf has a song about the devil and the deep blue sea...

"And the devil has a smile, and the devil has a smile
And it's thorny and it's wild, and it grows so deep inside
And you try to swim away, but the devil calls his play
Deep blue sea, deep blue sea, deep blue sea."

It's a great song and a great band!

Tonz

15th April 2015, 14:01

Good band and very relevant cheers Dreamtimer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BonrxVaTQbk

Brigand Doom

16th April 2015, 11:33

How Hillary Clinton Will Win The 2016 Presidential Election

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZNJcoM6bc4

Published on 16 Apr 2015

In this video Luke Rudkowski breaks down the game of how Hillary panders to the rich establishment and then uses there money to fool you vote for her. Please share this video with anyone who is considering for voting for her.

Sources on youtube.

Wind

16th April 2015, 13:13

Just remember to watch this you're even thinking about voting her...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eY0QAiYvZP8

shamanseeker

16th April 2015, 15:51

Good grief!

Divine Feminine

21st April 2015, 22:05

You guys catch this one? lmao....although I'm not sure what's funnier...the guys obituary or the silly advertisement I was forced to watch before of Goldman Sachs saintly claim of helping business' with their financial growth, rofl...if that isn't an oxymoron I don't know what is.....It reminds me of the Khan Academy commercial sponsored by Bank of America, in which they proceed to tell you that the point of their joint mission with Khan is to teach you how to manage money. Really....so a bank that's failed to comply with AML laws (Anti-money laundering laws), is now going to teach/sponsor the public in how to manage money....Can I sign up? :hilarious:

Man's Obituary Requests That People Do Not Vote for Hillary:

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4186172011001/mans-obituary-requests-people-do-not-vote-for-hillary/?#sp=show-clips

EDIT TO ADD:
Now I suppose someone's going to come online and say they're a student at Khan....oh dear....

Rocket's Mom

21st April 2015, 22:51

Hi Tonz:

You said: I remember last time when obama was about to win his first presidency, the general saying in the u.s. even from opposition voters , was put into a phrase and i quote : '' we would vote in a black man long before a woman'' .

I am nearing 50 years old on this american soil, and I do not recall ever hearing or seeing that comment. In 2008, admittedly, I was unawake, very, very unawake, but was really surprised that Obama beat out the old gal back then. But I did follow the news religiously.

I had to. . .my friends were all polysci majors and soooo democratic. ..Here's how unawake I learned the hard way (was stupid and not politically informed). In the early 90s, I was at an NC democratic party in the state capitol on election night (governor). A woman told me that she so admired Hillary Clinton as a woman and asked me who I admired. . .I replied, Barbara Bush. . .she really wears those pearls well. . .(What an idiot I was!!!) I didn't even remember that Barbie was Republican. . .my friends told me to set my solo cup of white wine down and exit promptly!!!

I just think all issues about race and gender and sexual orientation are promoted to antagonize folks. My two cents. (and I only have 2 ;)

Tonz

21st April 2015, 23:50

You said: I remember last time when obama was about to win his first presidency, the general saying in the u.s. even from opposition voters , was put into a phrase and i quote : '' we would vote in a black man long before a woman'' .

It was from where i remember on street surveys during the obama verses clinton campaigns , many said the same thing and or hinted towards that , many stated that in there opinion the u.s. wasn't ready for a female president.
People were speaking in common levels, discussions on the street and in cafes.

I found it to be absurd ,but then again i found it well, normal to the degree that the u.s. has been so very male dominated throughout its history and to this very day .Its a collective psychological thing , but at the same time no different than it is in most places around the world.
But then again look at Australia for eg. We have had an opposite , female Prime minister thats ok,
but a black one !, we are a long way off that , as this is not my opinion ,just a clear observation.

I just think all issues about race and gender and sexual orientation are promoted to antagonize folks. My two cents. (and I only have 2

And with my 1/2 cent worth I can only and totally agree with you on that one.!

ERK

22nd April 2015, 02:27

Tonz

22nd April 2015, 08:41

I have never voted either. i intend to keep it up at least till i'm finally convinced there is a real some one or party , until then :whstl:

The One

22nd April 2015, 11:13

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cf/Hillary_Clinton_Bill_Chelsea_on_parade.jpg

And when my wife become's President i will be addressed as the former president of the Unites States of America and not first man,first gentleman lol

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/216x146/e6/b2/d0/e6b2d0f64d8cedf7f8a4268bcaa59947.jpg

Dreamtimer

22nd April 2015, 13:25

First Gentleman? Laughing painfully now. Can we get him to wear the kinds of suits Hillary wears?

I really wish there was another woman heading towards this historic step.

But look at the shameful, IMO, conduct towards the first black President: Refusing to call him President or Commander in Chief; Outright stating that the goal is to make him a "one-term President". What an embarrassing lack of vision. No purpose anymore except to oppose anything liberal and blame all our problems on whatever the liberal (translate socialist) label can be hung on.

Many years ago my spouse met a man who was the vice president of the Republican Party in our state. He advised, "Embrace stereotypes. They'll set you free."

From what? Thought? Understanding?

My brother straight-out says, "I don't have time to think. I don't have time to listen."

He doesn't need to think at all, he "knows" why Hillary and the Democrats are all bad.

Except he doesn't at all.

I don't think Hillary is a good choice. Where is the choice? The opposition is just as insane. The parties have a stranglehold on getting in. We continue to engage in fake reform and screwing up the voting process instead of dealing with the FEC, Federal Elections Commission, which is so politicized it's a joke.

It's probably too late, but I think a good policy would be to require a year of civil service out of school so people can see first hand what the government does and what their stake is.