Between Lives Place?

[Pris]

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Between Lives Place?

David Wilcock advocates the work of Michael Newton ('Journey of Souls'). Let's say Michael's research confirms there is a 'between lives place'. But, what if the interpretation is wrong? What if it's not the 'way things are done' in the afterlife and what is being described is a 'between lives' concentration camp for captured souls run by malevolent, extra-dimensional ETs?

Assuming this is real, what if the 'white light at the end of the tunnel' is a trap? It is POSSIBLE. If it is possible, then it means that David Wilcock may be making a huge mistake by advocating it (there's a whole chapter in 'The Synchronicity Key'). So many people listen to him. He could be unwittingly (or knowingly!) helping out the PTB and possible negative extra-dimensional ETs (who may be in cahoots with each other) by sending out a message that serves to keep us prisoners, enslaved here on Earth.

It's possible the 'other side' is overrun by negative entities that wish to keep us enslaved by 'harvesting' our souls. It's possible that when our bodies die and we 'pass over' and voluntarily 'go into the light', we unwittingly agree to get our minds erased and reincarnate here because we're all told 'it's the right thing to do'.

It seems that any kind of belief in a hierarchical structure and/or archontic structure -- whether here or on 'the other side' with the idea that Earth is a 'school' for 'learning purposes' -- only serves to keep us spinning our wheels while we bow down to 'authority' as the centuries slip by. Contrary to popular belief, we do not seem to 'learn' anything because we are made to forget and we keep 'replaying' the same 'mistakes' over and over in some kind of 'hell'.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v79lVNKthCw

And, one last thing. Who says there must be a ‘between lives place’? Let's say you are ‘alive’ in spirit form as well. Who says one must incarnate or reincarnate? What if it isn't all about 'learning'? What if we already know all there is to know and, if we don't 'fall for the trap' will 'get it all back'? What if it’s about creating, playing, and having fun? What if it’s about being free-spirited individuals? Couldn't you do that in either a physical form or a non-physical form? Why not? And, should you choose to incarnate or reincarnate, why not anywhere and in whatever form you desire -- animal, vegetable, or mineral?

http://img.thesun.co.uk/aidemitlum/archive/01603/Bottlenose_dolphin_1603341a.jpg

[Swami]

I am of the opinion that the white tunnel is an archontic esoterical trap, a recycle-bin...

If there is a truly loving creator, and I believe there is, he wouldn't mind me looking around a bit before entering that tunnel, wouldn't he....?

[lift the veil]

Breeze started an "Afterlife Thread" and this topic is being discussed over there. http://jandeane81.com/threads/5917-Afterlife-thread

[donk]

I believe this whole idea is just an upgraded technique of creating human emotional attachment to the “denial of death” (as described by Ernest Becker).

Whatever preys on our emotional energy understands manipulation of emotional attachments better than most of us do, and this particular idea is just a specifically tailored tool in it’s kit.

There is a real fear that is a useful survival mechanism for earthly life as we know it in our 5 sense 3D perception. An emotional attachment to this (and the predator/prey relationship in general) would be the perfect method of generating a certain type if energy, if one were so inclined to want it.

“The greatest trick the devil pulled ever pulled is convincing the world he doesn’t exist” –Kaiser Soze

[donk]

I am of the opinion that the white tunnel is an archontic esoterical trap, a recycle-bin...

If there is a truly loving creator, and I believe there is, he wouldn't mind me looking around a bit before entering that tunnel, wouldn't he....?

I believe the emotional attachments to the IDEA of it is the trap.

[PurpleLama]

The in between lives place is actually there all the time. It's that whole mystery thing, You must die in order to live. I don't fully ascribe to Newton 's interpretations, but a lot of the data jives for me, as in, supports actual experiential knowledge, not merely 'resonates'.

[Pris]

The in between lives place is actually there all the time. It's that whole mystery thing, You must die in order to live. I don't fully ascribe to Newton 's interpretations, but a lot of the data jives for me, as in, supports actual experiential knowledge, not merely 'resonates'.

Thanks, PurpleLama! What if 'life' starts out as a spiritual existence -- as 'consciousness' vibrating around in the ether? How does one define a 'life form'?


You must die in order to live.

Are you sure about that? After all, it is said we 'never die'.

And, there's the idea that physical 'living' is actually 'death', and when our bodies 'die' and our souls are 'released', we 'live again' as spiritual beings.




Some say the cube, the hexagon, stands for 'death'.

Death = earth

https://theyinfactor.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/platonic-solids-and-elements.jpg

Giving someone a 'hex' isn't very nice.

The carbon atom is six-sided.

Carbon-based life forms.

Dice. Die.

http://sheerluxe.com/sites/default/files/2014/11/ben-di-lisi-hard-carved-dice.jpg

And, last but not least, 666 hexadecimal.

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/dSnnyeiVQUA/hqdefault.jpg

[ronin]

if you knew everything,for sure you would not be posting here.....:thup:
that thirst for answers no matter what it is,is what drives you.
your journey has started....simple as.

your never gonna get the full answer to your questions while your here in the physical body.
Dr M Newton has regressed hundreds of people with similar case studies.
doe,s that mean we he knows the truth?
he maybe close but the truth is your life journey and what you learn.

tools and insights may give us a greater understanding and awareness yet no one can say for definite what lies beyond.
we have to ride the up,s and downs to realise our own truth.

[PurpleLama]

Don't forget hexagrams.

http://www.thelemapedia.org/images/b/bc/Hexagrams.gif

I won't say which one is reserved for ronin.

[PurpleLama]

Don't forget hexagrams.

http://www.thelemapedia.org/images/b/bc/Hexagrams.gif

I won't say which one is reserved for ronin.

[PurpleLama]

Death = earth

Exactly. What's made of earth is really dead.

And, there's the idea that physical 'living' is actually 'death', and when our bodies 'die' and our souls are 'released', we 'live again' as spiritual beings.

So, the spiritual being dies, to come to earth. Finding death while still alive, that's what we aspire to do. It's the real meaning of the resurrection, and being born again, and whatnot.

[Pris]

if you knew everything,for sure you would not be posting here.....:thup:
that thirst for answers no matter what it is,is what drives you.
your journey has started....simple as.

your never gonna get the full answer to your questions while your here in the physical body.
Dr M Newton has regressed hundreds of people with similar case studies.
doe,s that mean we he knows the truth?
he maybe close but the truth is your life journey and what you learn.

tools and insights may give us a greater understanding and awareness yet no one can say for definite what lies beyond.
we have to ride the up,s and downs to realise our own truth.

Hehe I like 'data collecting' and putting together some dots. But, that doesn't necessarily mean much. I 'know' that. I just find it fun. And, I like sharing my little 'discoveries'... which aren't really 'mine'... but maybe someone will like the 'format' in which I 'shovel' it. ;)

I don't expect to get full answers to my questions. We all oughta know that the more 'answers' we get, the less we seem to 'know'. It's rather amusing. :D

[Novusod]

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Between Lives Place?

David Wilcock advocates the work of Michael Newton ('Journey of Souls'). Let's say Michael's research confirms there is a 'between lives place'. But, what if the interpretation is wrong? What if it's not the 'way things are done' in the afterlife and what is being described is a 'between lives' concentration camp for captured souls run by malevolent, extra-dimensional ETs?

Assuming this is real, what if the 'white light at the end of the tunnel' is a trap? It is POSSIBLE. If it is possible, then it means that David Wilcock may be making a huge mistake by advocating it (there's a whole chapter in 'The Synchronicity Key'). So many people listen to him. He could be unwittingly (or knowingly!) helping out the PTB and possible negative extra-dimensional ETs (who may be in cahoots with each other) by sending out a message that serves to keep us prisoners, enslaved here on Earth.

It's possible the 'other side' is overrun by negative entities that wish to keep us enslaved by 'harvesting' our souls. It's possible that when our bodies die and we 'pass over' and voluntarily 'go into the light', we unwittingly agree to get our minds erased and reincarnate here because we're all told 'it's the right thing to do'.


I agree with you 100% on this.

The most detailed look at the "In between Lives place" can be seen in the Matthew Ward channeling.
http://www.matthewbooks.com/sample-from-matthew-tell-me-about-heaven-2/

Although the book presents it in a positive light I am convinced these are all negative entities. Matthew Ward describes "healing assisters" who make people forget past life trauma and then groom them for reincarnation.

There was a great article written a couple years ago that complete exposes the reincarnation scam. It also echos many of the things Drake has talked about over the years.

http://www.ascensionhelp.com/blog/2013/11/21/tell-the-lords-of-karma-that-you-are-sovereign-no-longer-a-lightworker-part-2/
Tell the Lords of Karma that you are Sovereign

The "Lords" of Karma

The false-light demiurgic parasites known as the "Lords" of Karma are perhaps the worst violators of free-will that I have encountered, second only to the corrupt demiurge itself. They are the primary gatekeepers that allow or deny beings access into and out of the demiurgic system, and as such, they must be exposed.

Their perversion of the natural law of karma is so staggering in scope that I will only be able to cover a small portion of it in this article. To begin with, they are responsible for forcing beings to reincarnate over, and over, and over (and over) again, in clear violation of Universal Law.

The Light Review Scam

The primary tool that the The lords of Karma use to manipulate a being into accepting nearly endless reincarnation is the (false) "Light Review." When a person's body dies, they move out into the astral realms and begin to shed most of their previously held identity.

If this process were allowed to occur without interruption, the True Light of that being would emerge from within them and they would release layer upon layer of limiting beliefs generated in that incarnation.

However, within the realms of the demiurgic control system, what happens is that the ToK intercept that being just as their light is starting to emerge from within and surround them in a dazzling display of colorful external light. (This is why most of the people with near-death experiences report going through a tunnel of light.) The dazzling outer display distracts the being from the light emerging from within them and hypnotizes them through frequency entrainment and activation of any and all religious programming that being had been exposed to during their incarnation.

They tell the person that even though they failed at so many things in their life, that they will be given a chance to go back one more time and "get things right" in a new incarnation. The being is then grateful at this chance for redemption and accepts the agreements that the ToK present them with to incarnate again.

If that being was raised with a Christian type of indoctrination, they will encounter "Jesus and the angels" but be told that they are "not yet worthy to enter the kingdom of heaven."

Of course, the fear of being sent to hell is so strong in their belief system that they JUMP at the chance to reincarnate and become "worthy" to enter "God's kingdom," which is actually the demiurge's kingdom.

After agreeing to reincarnate, the being is then sent to a "heavenly realm" in the middle to upper astral realms to await reincarnation. This realm is nicely decorated with simulations of nature, lovely views and a staff of "guardian angels" who make sure those beings go back to earth when their time comes. Of course, those "guardians" are actually parasitic sheep-herders tending to their flock, and there is NO allowance for the beings held in this realm to go elsewhere.

more... (http://www.ascensionhelp.com/blog/2013/11/21/tell-the-lords-of-karma-that-you-are-sovereign-no-longer-a-lightworker-part-2/)


The lesson is absolutely clear. These parasites have to be resisted. Nobody is going to save you; not Jesus, not David Wilcock, not Drake, not GoodETxSG (Corey), not the alliance, nobody. You have to fight the Archons yourself when the time comes. YOU have to be your own savior. It is was written 2000 years ago in the Nag Hammadi scoll and the Book of Thomas everyone has to conquer their own archon. Nobody is going to do it for you.

[Wind]

There is no other trap than the fear in your mind. Once you've conquered it, you are truly free and may congratulate your - self.

[Pris]

I agree with you 100% on this.

The most detailed look at the "In between Lives place" can be seen in the Matthew Ward channeling.
http://www.matthewbooks.com/sample-from-matthew-tell-me-about-heaven-2/

Although the book presents it in a positive light I am convinced these are all negative entities. Matthew Ward describes "healing assisters" who make people forget past life trauma and then groom them for reincarnation.

There was a great article written a couple years ago that complete exposes the reincarnation scam. It also echos many of the things Drake has talked about over the years.

http://www.ascensionhelp.com/blog/2013/11/21/tell-the-lords-of-karma-that-you-are-sovereign-no-longer-a-lightworker-part-2/
Tell the Lords of Karma that you are Sovereign


The lesson is absolutely clear. These parasites have to be resisted. Nobody is going to save you; not Jesus, not David Wilcock, not Drake, not GoodETxSG (Corey), not the alliance, nobody. You have to fight the Archons yourself when the time comes. YOU have to be your own savior. It is was written 2000 years ago in the Nag Hammadi scoll and the Book of Thomas everyone has to conquer their own archon. Nobody is going to do it for you.

Thanks for the information and the links! It's appreciated. :)

[ronin]

Don't forget hexagrams.

http://www.thelemapedia.org/images/b/bc/Hexagrams.gif

I won't say which one is reserved for ronin.

don,t be putting no hex,s or sigils on me purplelama and would you please care to explain what you mean and why it is two?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw9oX-kZ_9k

[PurpleLama]

Did somebody say, become your own savior?

C6ZiZmQ5V2s

[Novusod]

There is a deep Archon message in this if you know what to look for.


https://vimeo.com/101476519

[PurpleLama]

There is a deep Archon message in this if you know what to look for.


https://vimeo.com/101476519

Thanks. I do my best!

[lift the veil]

Thanks, PurpleLama! What if 'life' starts out as a spiritual existence -- as 'consciousness' vibrating around in the ether? How does one define a 'life form'?



Are you sure about that? After all, it is said we 'never die'.

And, there's the idea that physical 'living' is actually 'death', and when our bodies 'die' and our souls are 'released', we 'live again' as spiritual beings.




Some say the cube, the hexagon, stands for 'death'.

Death = earth

https://theyinfactor.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/platonic-solids-and-elements.jpg

Giving someone a 'hex' isn't very nice.

The carbon atom is six-sided.

Carbon-based life forms.

Dice. Die.

http://sheerluxe.com/sites/default/files/2014/11/ben-di-lisi-hard-carved-dice.jpg

And, last but not least, 666 hexadecimal.

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/dSnnyeiVQUA/hqdefault.jpg

The cube is the platonic solid with the fewest number of sides, It symbolizes the lowest density or physicality, thus our physical existence on Earth. Some book somewhere said that Man was made from the earth (clay). When our souls travel down to earth they basically are put into a death-like sleep and forget who they are while incarnated on Earth, trapped in the cube (physical body - earth form). Once they die they are reborn, freed from their physical death-like state.

Unfold a cube and you get this. Now where have I seen that before??? So does the cross represents 3-D???

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_C9LmKUqHTf0/TFnDMOjMpnI/AAAAAAAAATc/1D3Mhk7SMGs/s1600/tess.JPG

The next step up from the cube (3-d) is the hyper-cube or tesseract (4-d). The cross (3-d) transforms into this (4-d) object

http://www.anilaggrawal.com/others/sf/other/images002/002_002.jpg

Now where have I seen this before???? Dali's crucifiction. Was Jesus being freed from his 3-d body?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/09/Dali_Crucifixion_hypercube.jpg

Saturn is symbolized by the cube or hex, he is the time-keeper. Our lives while living in Earth are measured in time. Time only exists in the 3-d.

Is Saturn the Demiurge?

https://thefreedomagenda.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/saturn-cube.jpg

https://hollywoodsubliminals.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/the-black-cube-of-saturn.jpg?w=840&h=580

Saturn = Kronos

The time piece, Kronos, sybolizes Saturn the time keeper.

http://image.rakuten.co.jp/newestshop/cabinet/watch-k/kronos/img55312489.jpg

[DNA]

This is really a new spin on the old Nietchie "God is dead" thing.
It's existentialism in a nut shell.
I think the results in this line of thinking can be adverse on one's health. This line of thinking does not strengthen one's connection to source in my opinion.
It leads to paranoia and circular logic which really seems like mental masturbation.
And not very fun or fulfilling at that.

[PurpleLama]

The cube is the platonic solid with the fewest number of sides, It symbolizes the lowest density or physicality, thus our physical existence on Earth. Some book somewhere said that Man was made from the earth (clay). When our souls travel down to earth they basically put into a death-like sleep and forget who they are while incarnated on Earth, trapped in the cube (physical body - earth form). Once they die they are reborn, freed from their physical death-like state.

Unfold a cube and you get this. Now where have I seen that before??? So does the cross represents 3-D???

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_C9LmKUqHTf0/TFnDMOjMpnI/AAAAAAAAATc/1D3Mhk7SMGs/s1600/tess.JPG

The next step up from the cube (3-d) is the hyper-cube or tesseract (4-d). The cross (3-d) transforms into this (4-d) object

http://www.anilaggrawal.com/others/sf/other/images002/002_002.jpg

Now where have I seen this before???? Dali's crucifiction. Was Jesus being freed from his 3-d body?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/09/Dali_Crucifixion_hypercube.jpg

Sorry, you're wrong. There is one with fewer sides than the cube, and it represents the element of fire, which is more primordial than earth.

http://paulscottinfo.ipage.com/polyhedra/semiregular/trunc-tetrah/tetrah-truncate1.gif

[lift the veil]

Thank you Lama for correcting my error. I forgot about the tetrahedron. I should have said this.

The cube symbolizes physicality, or our physical existence on Earth. Some book somewhere said that Man was made from the earth (clay). When our souls travel down to earth they basically put into a death-like sleep and forget who they are while incarnated on Earth, trapped in the cube (physical body - earth form- Man). Once they die they are reborn, freed from their physical death-like state.

[PurpleLama]

What if 'life' starts out as a spiritual existence -- as 'consciousness' vibrating around in the ether?

Indeed, as the ancients observed, spirit descended into matter. The caveat should be that, however insubstantial such spirit might seem to those of us looking up through the glass ceiling, from the perspective of that looking back down at us it is perfectly substantial to itself while we take on an appearance almost akin to inanimate objects. The reality seems as solidly real to them as to us, but more plastic, or malleable. Our own "physical" reality is actually just as plastic, but we've been conditioned to see otherwise. Reality is a funny, odd, queer thing, indeed, to one who has taken the time to really stare it down.

[1inMany]

Did somebody say, become your own savior?

C6ZiZmQ5V2s

That's awesome! Where, oh where, do you find this stuff?

[ronin]

so if you put two triangles together and invert one you come up with a tetrahedron .

some call it the merkaba,the flower of life...
let Nassiem explain.yet i know most of have seen this.


http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/188490/Nassim_Haramein__Black_Hole_Whole/

[lift the veil]

A tetrahedron is a three-sided pyramid, that has 4 total sides, thus tetra(4) hedron

http://thingiverse-production.s3.amazonaws.com/renders/e4/c0/e6/5e/f6/Tetrahedron_preview_featured.jpg


The Star tetrahedron is two tetrahedrons overlayed, with one inverted.

http://www.ascensionnow.co.uk/uploads/6/8/0/0/6800211/840918907.jpg?263

[Pris]

This is really a new spin on the old Nietchie "God is dead" thing.
It's existentialism in a nut shell.
I think the results in this line of thinking can be adverse on one's health. This line of thinking does not strengthen one's connection to source in my opinion.
It leads to paranoia and circular logic which really seems like mental masturbation.
And not very fun or fulfilling at that.

What if... this line of thinking doesn't strengthen one's connection to Source because there is no 'Source'?

I don't think there's anything wrong with circular logic -- confirm there is a 'Source' first and then prove to me what's supposed to strengthen one's 'connection'.

Mental masturbation? Not very fun or fulfilling? (Speak for yourself hehe.)

[Pris]

A tetrahedron is a three-sided pyramid, that has 4 total sides, thus tetra(4) hedron

http://thingiverse-production.s3.amazonaws.com/renders/e4/c0/e6/5e/f6/Tetrahedron_preview_featured.jpg


The Star tetrahedron is two tetrahedrons overlayed, with one inverted.

http://www.ascensionnow.co.uk/uploads/6/8/0/0/6800211/840918907.jpg?263


I love this stuff.

http://www.kheper.net/topics/New_Age/tree-life-flower-of-life.jpg


Btw, the 'tree of life' really does match up with the geometry inside a Merkaba.
I've got one hanging from the ceiling, and you can see it at a certain angle.


The vector equilibrium sits nice and snug in the middle.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/cosmometry/resources/images/000/000/120/original/VE-8-tetra.jpg


And, let's not leave out the beautiful isotropic vector-metric.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPZnbK0ZRhI

[ronin]

What if... this line of thinking doesn't strengthen one's connection to Source because there is no 'Source'?

I don't think there's anything wrong with circular logic -- confirm there is a 'Source' first and then prove to me what's supposed to strengthen one's 'connection'.

Mental masturbation? Not very fun or fulfilling? (Speak for yourself hehe.)

prove it to yourself:eyebrows:
is my experience yours?
do you need outside validation?

how may people would like to take you into their fold and tell you about the truths of life,the universe and our spiritual experience.
all we can do is validate and confirm our experiences here and now that show us that we are on the right track.

[Pris]

prove it to yourself:eyebrows:
is my experience yours?
do you need outside validation?

how may people would like to take you into their fold and tell you about the truths of life,the universe and our spiritual experience.
all we can do is validate and confirm our experiences here and now that show us that we are on the right track.

Heheheee Please don't take everything I say like I really mean it. ^_~ Of course I do not need 'validation' (whatever that means) from you. Thanks, but no thanks. Still, I enjoy other people's perspectives. I'd be pretty bored if I was all alone with myself (is that an oxymoron?). :D

[ronin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsgP8LkEopM

[ronin]

fade in....fade out...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEomVfNBgp4

[DNA]

What if... this line of thinking doesn't strengthen one's connection to Source because there is no 'Source'?

I don't think there's anything wrong with circular logic -- confirm there is a 'Source' first and then prove to me what's supposed to strengthen one's 'connection'.

Mental masturbation? Not very fun or fulfilling? (Speak for yourself hehe.)

I respect what you are doing. But the only way you are going to know for yourself is if you do the work to see for yourself.
What you are doing is attempting to circumvent the process of understanding by using circular logic.
This is why Nietche's way is not valid.

Contrast Nietche who died unfulfilled and a tad bit crazy with a taoist monk.

They are both attempting to find out the same answers.
But, the Taoist monk is not using his brain to find the answers, the monk turns off his brain and opens new organs of perception by strengthening his connection to source. The evidence of success is the strength of his chi and the
opening of his third eye which allow him to SEE what is going on.

Nietche on the other hand is using up his Chi by indulging in circular logic.
The internal dialogue.
In reality, the internal dialogue is the greatest enemy of the would be seeker, and quite possibly the greatest hand hold of the archons you speak of.

The number one difference between the gnostics and other christians, would be that the Gnostics expected their participants to turn off the internal dialogue, and experience the reality of what is going on.
Not to read about it, but to witness for themselves, and make their decisions from knowing, not faith.

[Pris]

What if... this line of thinking doesn't strengthen one's connection to Source because there is no 'Source'?

I don't think there's anything wrong with circular logic -- confirm there is a 'Source' first and then prove to me what's supposed to strengthen one's 'connection'.

Mental masturbation? Not very fun or fulfilling? (Speak for yourself hehe.)

I respect what you are doing. But the only way you are going to know for yourself is if you do the work to see for yourself.
What you are doing is attempting to circumvent the process of understanding by using circular logic.
This is why Nietche's way is not valid.

Contrast Nietche who died unfulfilled and a tad bit crazy with a taoist monk.

They are both attempting to find out the same answers.
But, the Taoist monk is not using his brain to find the answers, the monk turns off his brain and opens new organs of perception by strengthening his connection to source. The evidence of success is the strength of his chi and the
opening of his third eye which allow him to SEE what is going on.

Nietche on the other hand is using up his Chi by indulging in circular logic.
The internal dialogue.
In reality, the internal dialogue is the greatest enemy of the would be seeker, and quite possibly the greatest hand hold of the archons you speak of.

The number one difference between the gnostics and other christians, would be that the Gnostics expected their participants to turn off the internal dialogue, and experience the reality of what is going on.
Not to read about it, but to witness for themselves, and make their decisions from knowing, not faith.

Thanks, DNA! I already addressed this in post #31.

You don't have to worry about me dying unfulfilled... a tad bit crazy, for sure. But, that's how I like it. :)


In reality, the internal dialogue is the greatest enemy of the would be seeker, and quite possibly the greatest hand hold of the archons you speak of.

Really, who's to say internal dialogue is a 'bad' thing? What if it's the internal dialogue that actually holds off these so-called 'archons'? Maybe its the firm presence of the individual that puts them off. And, unless I meet one, why concern myself?

I'm not 'attempting to circumvent the process of understanding' -- although I prefer to use the word 'comprehending'. Why must circular logic be a 'cop out'? Because someone 'says it's so'? That puts me off. I find circular logic quite helpful.

I don't expect answers. I don't expect anything. Even this conversation is quite pointless except for the fact that I find it rather fun and I think I grew a couple of new brain cells because of it.

[DNA]

If you are content with second hand knowledge I suppose circular logic is fine. But know that you are trying to explain the unexplored rather than explore the unexplained.

[Pris]

If you are content with second hand knowledge I suppose circular logic is fine. But know that you are trying to explain the unexplored rather than explore the unexplained.

Circular logic tells me that my knowledge is not necessarily second-hand. ;)


'Energy = Matter = Energy'

'A wave is a particle. A particle is a wave.'

'Everything is real. Everything is unreal.'

If I'm getting this right, one might use 'circular logic' to conclude that everything is 'vibrational frequency'.



...you are trying to explain the unexplored rather than explore the unexplained

Hmmmm..... That's rather circular if you asked me. :D

Figuratively, it doesn't matter which end of the snake you pick up. You're still holding a snake.

[Outlander]

I've been dead for 6 minutes.

The first thing I experienced was that I recognized what was happening as something I'd already done numerous times before.

Next thing was that the whole concept of time changed, my life seemed like a grain of sand on a beach.

Than I felt completely alone, no one you can call or text, really totally alone - so you better be comfortable with yourself otherwise you probably panic.

[ronin]

Limbo............now that,s a grey area!

[Altaira]

My view here might seem a bit odd or off topic but following the discussion so far I am inclined to try to explain how I see things.

What I see here is an attempt to explore our spiritual existence with the tools of the mind, using language known to the mind. It seems difficult or even impossible to figure out how to find the right words to picture the place where we can be our own self only and nothing else. On the other hand exploring our 3D realty through the spirit seems to be my ultimate purpose as far as I am concerned and for this reason I think that only through ultimate connecting with my essence I can know.
It might seem out of place but I would ask why do we need to create complicated mental constructs to try to explain something so simple as the creation? All those geometric patterns, forms and structures are here to sustain the existence of the creation, materialization of the consciousness so the spirit can experience the matter. Trying to get to the bottom of the tiniest particle won't solve the mystery of the creation the very core of it the primal intention of our essence. It will only get us even more tangled into the threads of the matter and take us away of our initial task.

[Hermit]

I am of the opinion that the white tunnel is an archontic esoterical trap, a recycle-bin...

If there is a truly loving creator, and I believe there is, he wouldn't mind me looking around a bit before entering that tunnel, wouldn't he....?

What are you doing right now then my friend? ;)

[Outlander]

I've been dead for 6 minutes.

The first thing I experienced was that I recognized what was happening as something I'd already done numerous times before.

Next thing was that the whole concept of time changed, my life seemed like a grain of sand on a beach.

Than I felt completely alone, no one you can call or text, really totally alone - so you better be comfortable with yourself otherwise you probably panic.

To finish my 'near dead' adventure, next I had to look myself in the eye in a 'mirror'.

I always followed my heart, had a clear conscious, and I had no regrets so I could face myself without a problem.

Than I found myself in a sort of 'waiting room' and 'heard' the 'Gods' quarrel over my destiny.

My death would change the lives of people on Earth and it felt that I had an important role to play, but it was my choice whether I would live or die.

I honestly couldn't care less, because being dead felt wonderful, so I let 'them' choose for me.

Next thing I heard was a nurse screaming "He's coming back, he's coming back!"

Two months later I met a woman - of great fame in Holland - with whom I had a dazzling relationship and whose life I literately saved.

But that's a long story and actually none of your business. :)

btw, I think that when you can face yourself with a clear conscious, you can actually go 'through' that 'mirror' and free yourself from an earthbound destination.

I'm also convinced that 'the tunnel of light' means you're 'soul'/consciousness is born again in a new body.

At that moment you remember your past life, but because you're a baby and are unable to speak you can't tell anyone.

By the time you can talk you have forgotten - as with dreams - that knowledge and you have to start all over again.

[Pris]

My view here might seem a bit odd or off topic but following the discussion so far I am inclined to try to explain how I see things.

What I see here is an attempt to explore our spiritual existence with the tools of the mind, using language known to the mind. It seems difficult or even impossible to figure out how to find the right words to picture the place where we can be our own self only and nothing else. On the other hand exploring our 3D realty through the spirit seems to be my ultimate purpose as far as I am concerned and for this reason I think that only through ultimate connecting with my essence I can know.
It might seem out of place but I would ask why do we need to create complicated mental constructs to try to explain something so simple as the creation? All those geometric patterns, forms and structures are here to sustain the existence of the creation, materialization of the consciousness so the spirit can experience the matter. Trying to get to the bottom of the tiniest particle won't solve the mystery of the creation the very core of it the primal intention of our essence. It will only get us even more tangled into the threads of the matter and take us away of our initial task.

I know what you mean.... all that 'geometry'... it seems really overly complicated... Perhaps, that is just our mind's interpretation of something actually very simple...

This may sound silly... Try building some geometry -- like a Merkaba -- out of straws. It let's you 'explore' the geometry in a new kind of way. The more you familiarize yourself with something, the less complicated it may appear.

[Pris]

Than I found myself in a sort of 'waiting room' and 'heard' the 'Gods' quarrel over my destiny.

My death would change the lives of people on Earth and it felt that I had an important role to play, but it was my choice whether I would live or die.

I honestly couldn't care less, because being dead felt wonderful, so I let 'them' choose for me.

Eegads! :shocked:

[Novusod]

On Nov 18th, 2014 I had a dream about the gods of Atlantis. It was more of an out of body experience than a dream because it felt like I was traveling to the in between place.

The dream started were I was walking around a tropical island and spirits were saying things to me but I ignored them.
I was walking along the edge of the land where the sand meets the sea when Zeus' head popped out of the ground (just head)
I doubted him because he looked absurd with his body buried under the sand.
- He said I am Zeus
- I said really? You are not some other god. Poseidon perhaps?
- He said Yes I am he. Do you like what you see?
- I didn't really answer but just continued walking along the edge of the water
- He told me I could not stay here so I went with him
He said he would show me a more primordial time (almost begging me to believe him)

We walked a ways until we came to a what looked like a portion of the titanic wrecked on the island
Inside was a fine ball room with marble floors and gold chandeliers with many tables and chairs
There in I saw angels or gods moving chairs around on this titanic ball room
Each chair represented a sign of the zodiac, planets, the sun, and the moon
- They were talking about starting wars and conflicts
- They moved a chair representing mars and put it next to the chair representing Venus
- They said it would make things interesting
- One of them said they were going to drop a bomb on some army to stir things up
- I was disinterested in seeing anymore conflicts
- I wanted to see a world of peace and harmony
- They laughed saying there would be no growth
I became angry and said screw it to all of them I am going on strike
War is bullshit and I will not stand for it. I am going on strike. STRIKE!
With that I walked out on them and continued off their island and floated off into the sea
Thought to myself I should turn back and spy on them
When I looked back I saw no island
The universe was but Styrofoam floating in the ocean
It was smaller than my body and I could wrap my arms around it
I had more than 2 arms
Somehow I climbed back inside the Styrofoam (iceberg island or whatever it was)
Heaven was frozen over now with snow everywhere. Maybe it was Styrofoam not snow
The grand ball room I saw earlier was wrecked with chairs and tables over turned.

The gods were all huddled around a little girl drawing pictures
Something about her being my replacement since I walked off on them
She said she came up with a pattern
- the pattern was just 1,2,3,4,5 A,B,C,D,E
- these were arranged into a grid and some letters and numbers were circled in boxes
- It wasn't drawn on paper but piece of Styrofoam
I snatch the Styrofoam from the girl's hands and said "give me that!"
I saw the numbers and letters were dawn very crudely
In my hand they turned into a vivid rainbow
at that I jumped out the window I come in and landed back in the sea
(I woke up)

I believe the beings in the dream to be Archons or perhaps their lackeys. The lesson to be learned is never to submit to them. You are stronger then they are and you don't have to listen to them. They are parasites. They need you. You don't need them.

[Pris]

I am of the opinion that the white tunnel is an archontic esoterical trap, a recycle-bin...

If there is a truly loving creator, and I believe there is, he wouldn't mind me looking around a bit before entering that tunnel, wouldn't he....?


I believe this whole idea is just an upgraded technique of creating human emotional attachment to the “denial of death” (as described by Ernest Becker).

Whatever preys on our emotional energy understands manipulation of emotional attachments better than most of us do, and this particular idea is just a specifically tailored tool in it’s kit.

There is a real fear that is a useful survival mechanism for earthly life as we know it in our 5 sense 3D perception. An emotional attachment to this (and the predator/prey relationship in general) would be the perfect method of generating a certain type if energy, if one were so inclined to want it.

“The greatest trick the devil pulled ever pulled is convincing the world he doesn’t exist” –Kaiser Soze



I believe the emotional attachments to the IDEA of it is the trap.


This is interesting.


“The greatest trick the devil pulled ever pulled is convincing the world he doesn’t exist” –Kaiser Soze

How about the greatest trick the devil ever pulled is convincing the world he does exist?

You know, there was a time when I listened with real interest to people like Dolores Cannon... But, then, I also listened to lots of people in general (listening doesn't mean I necessarily agree, but I keep my mind open to 'maybe').

Because of people like George Kavassilas (I don't necessarily agree with him, but I like people that 'stir the pot' and his stuff is kind of fascinating) and, particularly, Robert Morning Sky, I started questioning that everything is some kind of illusory mind-screw -- that I, myself, am somehow the key to controlling it all.

I've also begun to consider that there may not be a 'light at the end of the tunnel trap' to avoid unless you believe there is a trap to avoid. Your belief in it will 'create' it for you... Of course, this kind of 'creation' may be just as valid and real as the chair you're sitting on (how 'real' is that?). Everything real is unreal. Everything unreal is real. So, no one is 'wrong'. Everyone's 'interpretation' is 'right'. What you 'believe' will manifest specifically for you. We are, each one of us, the Creator of our very own universe, multiverse, everything, and nothing.

[Hermit]

Pris,

You gotta read Thomas Reid. And Al Plantinga. Just saying. ;)

[Pris]

Pris,

You gotta read Thomas Reid. And Al Plantinga. Just saying. ;)

Thank you! :) Reading? You mean like, real books? :shocked:... Just checked, phew. There are some YouTube videos I can check out. :D

[Altaira]

I believe the beings in the dream to be Archons or perhaps their lackeys. The lesson to be learned is never to submit to them. You are stronger then they are and you don't have to listen to them. They are parasites. They need you. You don't need them.

Completely agree here with you Novusod. Never give your sovereignty to anyone no matter who. Everyone is as big and important as others, it is just our choice that empowers them whoever they are.

[Hermit]

Thank you! :) Reading? You mean like, real books? :shocked:... Just checked, phew. There are some YouTube videos I can check out. :D

Yes. Because when the power goes out you can still read a book. If the power plants vanish, you can still read a book. If you need to start a fire, you have the inside pages before the meat....lol if you want to roll a cigarette! ;)

[donk]

L
This is interesting.



How about the greatest trick the devil ever pulled is convincing the world he does exist?

You know, there was a time when I listened with real interest to people like Dolores Cannon... But, then, I also listened to lots of people in general (listening doesn't mean I necessarily agree, but I keep my mind open to 'maybe').

Because of people like George Kavassilas (I don't necessarily agree with him, but I like people that 'stir the pot' and his stuff is kind of fascinating) and, particularly, Robert Morning Sky, I started questioning that everything is some kind of illusory mind-screw -- that I, myself, am somehow the key to controlling it all.

I've also begun to consider that there may not be a 'light at the end of the tunnel trap' to avoid unless you believe there is a trap to avoid. Your belief in it will 'create' it for you... Of course, this kind of 'creation' may be just as valid and real as the chair you're sitting on (how 'real' is that?). Everything real is unreal. Everything unreal is real. So, no one is 'wrong'. Everyone's 'interpretation' is 'right'. What you 'believe' will manifest specifically for you. We are, each one of us, the Creator of our very own universe, multiverse, everything, and nothing.

I hear ya, be in either argument he "does" exist, eh? I don't believe self destructive behavior is "human".

Maybe I'm wrong, and I tend to think exactly in the way you describe sometimes? But lately I feel the "new age" trap is to convince us we need to take responsibility for the entire reality we find ourselves, that nothing "outside ourselves" matters

I believe this a veiled but hard core solipsism....and reserve the right to be wrong, but will continue to try to the balance the argument.

There's a REAL victimization and then the kind we all love to talk about and project. There's only one thing I "know" about "being human" with certainty: and its that we are easily manipulated through our emotions

I believe something other than "human" is good at manipulating "healthy/survival fear" into an unhealthy victim emotional fear...and is actively campaigning to make that emotional victimization the cover for the real "bending of our will" it's doing

[Wind]

But lately I feel the "new age" trap is to convince us we need to take responsibility for the entire reality we find ourselves, that nothing "outside ourselves" matters.

We do need to be responsible for our thoughts and actions, but also aknowledge that we have been steered to a destructive direction as a race here on Earth. Actually, there are two prevailing forces, the one is light and the other is dark. One is trying to steer us into perdition and the other to salvation, we humans are just stuck in the middle. The battle for souls, if you will, takes place here on Earth. We humans have to freedom to choose what we want to do, but we will always reap what we sow.

Will we succumb to the darkness or will we follow the ways of light? At this point in time it looks that the dark ones sure have made a good job by confusing us, but it won't be always like that. Everything goes in cycles and this has been the cycle of Kali Yuga (the age of decadence), soon after it comes the true New Age (of Aquarius).

To me it's not about "surviving", it's about maintaining your humanity.

[Hermit]

We do need to be responsible for our thoughts and actions, but also aknowledge that we have been steered to a destructive direction as a race here on Earth. Actually, there are two prevailing forces, the one is light and the other is dark. One is trying to steer us into perdition and the other to salvation, we humans are just stuck in the middle. The battle for souls, if you will, takes place here on Earth. We humans have to freedom to choose what we want to do, but we will always reap what we sow.

Will we succumb to the darkness or will we follow the ways of light? At this point in time it looks that the dark ones sure have made a good job by confusing us, but it won't be always like that. Everything goes in cycles and this has been the cycle of Kali Yuga (the age of decadence), soon after it comes the true New Age (of Aquarius).

To me it's not about "surviving", it's about maintaining your humanity.

I absolutely agree except for one thing you said. I believe the majority of us (myself included) want(ed) to believe we were steered. I think the more ominous truth is we chose to be.

Somewhere else, there was a post about a revolution that I just commented on. I suggested that a real revolution would begin with something like going a month without telling one single lie.

Maybe that's the first step in maintaining humanity. Reclaiming it. Loved the post Wind. :)

[donk]

I absolutely agree except for one thing you said. I believe the majority of us (myself included) want(ed) to believe we were steered. I think the more ominous truth is we chose to be.

Somewhere else, there was a post about a revolution that I just commented on. I suggested that a real revolution would begin with something like going a month without telling one single lie.

Maybe that's the first step in maintaining humanity. Reclaiming it. Loved the post Wind. :)

Well then I'm in the minority, I've never been comfortable believing what feels good., and I see most people actually being steered (myself included) and sure as hell never wanted that

Maybe that makes me unique, but I never wanted a spoonful of sugar--unless I was craving sugar (and wasting time & distracting myself, but sure as hell not lying to myself about what I was doing)..real medicine tastes like it's working

I've always abhorred denial. Just because most humans are suseptable to it does NOT mean they chose to want to, not to me. Being born into a reality so full of learned emotional fear may not excuse it--but it explains it a lot better to me than it being "human nature".

I believe it would empowering if more of us felt that way. It may be time to play the "blame game", and I don't think its all our fault. Or even mostly our fault. It's hard to transcend fear your parents and/or environment beat into you for some of us

[Hermit]

Well then I'm in the minority, I've never been comfortable believing what feels good., and I see most people actually being steered (myself included) and sure as hell never wanted that

Maybe that makes me unique, but I never wanted a spoonful of sugar--unless I was craving sugar (and wasting time & distracting myself, but sure as hell not lying to myself about what I was doing)..real medicine tastes like it's working

I've always abhorred denial. Just because most humans are suseptable to it does NOT mean they chose to want to, not to me. Being born into a reality so full of learned emotional fear may not excuse it--but it explains it a lot better to me than it being "human nature".

I believe it would empowering if more of us felt that way. It may be time to play the "blame game", and I don't think its all our fault. Or even mostly our fault. It's hard to transcend fear your parents and/or environment beat into you for some of us

Ah, but that's the beautiful seduction of it donk!

[Pris]

Well then I'm in the minority, I've never been comfortable believing what feels good., and I see most people actually being steered (myself included) and sure as hell never wanted that

Maybe that makes me unique, but I never wanted a spoonful of sugar--unless I was craving sugar (and wasting time & distracting myself, but sure as hell not lying to myself about what I was doing)..real medicine tastes like it's working

I've always abhorred denial. Just because most humans are suseptable to it does NOT mean they chose to want to, not to me. Being born into a reality so full of learned emotional fear may not excuse it--but it explains it a lot better to me than it being "human nature".

I believe it would empowering if more of us felt that way. It may be time to play the "blame game", and I don't think its all our fault. Or even mostly our fault. It's hard to transcend fear your parents and/or environment beat into you for some of us

If you don't like being steered (or steering yourself) in a way you never wanted, what are you doing right now to take your power back?

For example, simply owning a cell phone means you consent to being 'steered'. Have you chucked it out for a landline?

Here's another example. Have you switched from regular toothpaste to one without fluoride to avoid being poisoned?

How about another. Let's say you grew up on meat. As you got older, you decided it was better for you stop eating it. So, you stopped.

Take action. These things add up and we regain our power. Blaming others doesn't serve any beneficial purpose at this point, IMO.

[donk]

Wow…what great ideas!! I never heard anything like that before…I’ll have to look into, and save the world by making better consumer choices as well as overall life choices…then I’ll go and take personal responsibility for all my words and actions, meditate some and really get to know myself…then I’ll be healed and projecting outwards my true human-starseed hybrid spirit and my service-to-others attitude will clear all my (and therefore the rest of the universe’s) problems….oh wait, I don’t wanna call them problems, they’re just “tests” for this tough school but only as tough as I MYSELF make it teehee!) ;) ....thanks so much pris!!!

Nah….eff that…I’m gonna turn to the dark side, and become an internet troll, disrupting the message of all those that would empower humanity…much more fun!! So how do ya think the higher beings rigged up that between lives place?? We need to have proper fear of death don't ya know?? :nails: Don't forget: YOU create your own reality....

[The One]

Nah….eff that…I’m gonna turn to the dark side, and become an internet troll, disrupting the message of all those that would empower humanity…much more fun!!

Then you will have to go into the recycle bin lol

[donk]

Recycle?? That’s all we seem to do here…that’s what we seem to have imagined into our own reality the fate of our souls.

I mean, trying to offer a perspective counter to the popular (in my mind frighteningly near to some hard-core solipsism) beliefs and I’m met with the same recycled we tell each other over and over, in the same exact way: projecting like we know what others do or don’t or should be doing…never questioning why the info we are discussing is in our awareness or god-forbid we actually discuss any messengers…it’s just people like me that are the “trolls”…disrupting the true seekers.

I don’t want to be recycled…I want to find something new

[The One]

I don’t want to be recycled…I want to find something new

Hey you could try your luck here http://inphinet.net/ for something new a new adventure.I believe Shez and two more members from here are already there but i think you need to go through vetting first lol

There should be something for everyone on here.Why not concentrate on what suits you and what interests you

[donk]

My post was kind of a lament, malc...directly at the poster I was replying to, and the following was exactly that--a sort of qualification to it--please don't take them personally...or too literally/superficially.

However: if you think this place would be better without me, by all means...recycle me. Or maybe I am not the problem? I am just an expression of YOUR unhealed trauma or some issue you need to meditate about, or perhaps if you increase the vibration of your diet "negative vibes" like me won't enter your reality?

I dunno...it all gets so confusing....where does my responsibility stop and your responsibility for having me in your reality end?

[The One]

My post was kind of a lament, malc...directly at the poster I was replying to, and the following was exactly that--a sort of qualification to it--please don't take them personally...or too literally/superficially.

However: if you think this place would be better without me, by all means...recycle me. Or maybe I am not the problem? I am just an expression of YOUR unhealed trauma or some issue you need to meditate about, or perhaps if you increase the vibration of your diet "negative vibes" like me won't enter your reality?

I dunno...it all gets so confusing....where does my responsibility stop and your responsibility for having me in your reality end?

Hey donk i apologise i didnt mean it to come across like that but hey dont ya come back ten fold lol with this


I am just an expression of YOUR unhealed trauma or some issue you need to meditate about, or perhaps if you increase the vibration of your diet "negative vibes" like me won't enter your reality

Ah ah ah lol i had to laugh

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-32cJMkukdQg/UWFxUgKS0FI/AAAAAAAAqYY/V2fmg3iIy6c/s1600/What+if+I+told+you+your+perception+is+a+misconcept ion+because+of+media+deception.jpg

lol

Whoops sorry pris we are trolling i think are ya not feeling the good vibes

:back to topic: :love:

[Pris]

Wow…what great ideas!! I never heard anything like that before…I’ll have to look into, and save the world by making better consumer choices as well as overall life choices…then I’ll go and take personal responsibility for all my words and actions, meditate some and really get to know myself…then I’ll be healed and projecting outwards my true human-starseed hybrid spirit and my service-to-others attitude will clear all my (and therefore the rest of the universe’s) problems….oh wait, I don’t wanna call them problems, they’re just “tests” for this tough school but only as tough as I MYSELF make it teehee!) ;) ....thanks so much pris!!!

Nah….eff that…I’m gonna turn to the dark side, and become an internet troll, disrupting the message of all those that would empower humanity…much more fun!! So how do ya think the higher beings rigged up that between lives place?? We need to have proper fear of death don't ya know?? :nails: Don't forget: YOU create your own reality....

Sometimes, one needs to state the obvious, donk.

I've never suggested meditation was required, or that we're all some kind of 'starseeds' on some kind of mission. And, I never suggested that Earth is some kind of school. I'm not interested in whatever religion you may or may not embrace. That is your business. If you wish to 'turn to the dark side', if you believe there's a 'dark side', then go ahead.

There's nothing wrong with wishing to empower human kind btw. It seems like a rather noble cause as opposed to being a so-called disruptive 'troll'. But, there's a place for everyone, and everyone has a role to play. :)

I do agree with you on one thing, donk: YOU create your own reality.

[Pris]

My post was kind of a lament, malc...directly at the poster I was replying to, and the following was exactly that--a sort of qualification to it--please don't take them personally...or too literally/superficially.

However: if you think this place would be better without me, by all means...recycle me. Or maybe I am not the problem? I am just an expression of YOUR unhealed trauma or some issue you need to meditate about, or perhaps if you increase the vibration of your diet "negative vibes" like me won't enter your reality?

I dunno...it all gets so confusing....where does my responsibility stop and your responsibility for having me in your reality end?


Hey donk i apologise i didnt mean it to come across like that but hey dont ya come back ten fold lol with this



I am just an expression of YOUR unhealed trauma or some issue you need to meditate about, or perhaps if you increase the vibration of your diet "negative vibes" like me won't enter your reality

Ah ah ah lol i had to laugh

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-32cJMkukdQg/UWFxUgKS0FI/AAAAAAAAqYY/V2fmg3iIy6c/s1600/What+if+I+told+you+your+perception+is+a+misconcept ion+because+of+media+deception.jpg

lol

Whoops sorry pris we are trolling i think are ya not feeling the good vibes

:back to topic: :love:


That's alright, Malcolm. :) Thanks for the effort. Donk is just somewhat confused/and or frustrated and that's okay. He's slightly abrasive, but aren't we all. :D

[Hermit]

It's actually more like composting than recycling, but same dif.

Malc, as for the other forum you recommended, having spent three weeks there myself? I'd recommend against it. There's not really any information there, just frightened people trying to control the forum by modulating who says what. To be honest, the paranoia kind of got ridiculous. They actually delete entire threads just because they suspect the author might be...ole bacon hat. At least here there's some format of decency. There, I didn't even see a warning. I was merely tossed out on my ass for writing in rhymes. Quite good rhymes I might add! ;)

This last exchange has reminded me of a really intense (seriously) intense read. Which has got me thinking a book list thread might be a great idea (mental note, throw that on the ever-growing pile of things to do)....Dark Night of the Soul...St. John of the Cross....a seriously intense examination of the inner struggles of, for lack of a better word, straightening yourself out.

Anytime anyone says it's relative, I always get a belly laugh because by that assertion, even relativity is relative, rendering it...well...pretty soft for a theory actually! If one solid perception exists, there's always room for more.

FWIW, I don't eat red meat anymore and I'm feeling really good. I don't own a vehicle anymore, and I feel awesome about that. I'm growing heirloom organic food and perennials and plan on harvesting seeds. City says I can't keep chickens but I bet you dollar for dollar I can keep bees.

So would you think it would be a fair categorization to say the Chinese Central Committee recycled the Panchen Lama, and are getting ready to recycle the Dalai Lama?

And who was it that said, find the still point?

[donk]

Sometimes, one needs to state the obvious, donk.

I've never suggested meditation was required, or that we're all some kind of 'starseeds' on some kind of mission. And, I never suggested that Earth is some kind of school. I'm not interested in whatever religion you may or may not embrace. That is your business. If you wish to 'turn to the dark side', if you believe there's a 'dark side', then go ahead.

There's nothing wrong with wishing to empower human kind btw. It seems like a rather noble cause as opposed to being a so-called disruptive 'troll'. But, there's a place for everyone, and everyone has a role to play. :)

I do agree with you on one thing, donk: YOU create your own reality.

I hear ya...but what if I already did those things you suggest? Wouldn't that be "obvious" that I'm empowering myself in even many more ways than you listed (& we repeatedly tell each other about over and over)?

That maybe it's not even myself I'm worrying about (I know, I know, I'm only responsible for my self)...and it's not obvious to me why you suggest current life choices in a thread questioning our power of will after death?

Well the contracts I made this lifetime have seem to made contracts, I have so many responsibilities involving so many others that it makes my head spin sometimes. That's ok though, I gots forums to come and try different ways of running different perspectives by different people...that's what I'm doing more often than not.

All those things you said are good (and obvious). It is also obvious you don't find my idea compelling, that there may be more this existence than going wIthin ourselves. That perhaps buying into the program that seems to have convinced the "alternative" community of that, certain aspects (or possibilities) of reality may be missed?

One obvious thing to me: if you DO believe you create your own reality, how does your intial question even make sense? Wouldn't you have even GREATER ability to choose your reality once you were no longer confined to your 3D meatbag?

[Pris]

I hear ya...but what if I already did those things you suggest? Wouldn't that be "obvious" that I'm empowering myself in even many more ways than you listed (& we repeatedly tell each other about over and over)?

That maybe it's not even myself I'm worrying about (I know, I know, I'm only responsible for my self)...and it's not obvious to me why you suggest current life choices in a thread questioning our power of will after death?

Well the contracts I made this lifetime have seem to made contracts, I have so many responsibilities involving so many others that it makes my head spin sometimes. That's ok though, I gots forums to come and try different ways of running different perspectives by different people...that's what I'm doing more often than not.

All those things you said are good (and obvious). It is also obvious you don't find my idea compelling, that there may be more this existence than going wIthin ourselves. That perhaps buying into the program that seems to have convinced the "alternative" community of that, certain aspects (or possibilities) of reality may be missed?

One obvious thing to me: if you DO believe you create your own reality, how does your intial question even make sense? Wouldn't you have even GREATER ability to choose your reality once you were no longer confined to your 3D meatbag?

I like to play, donk. Don't take everything so seriously. I don't. :)

[Altaira]

Wow I love this thread. :smiley hug: