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Bob
3rd January 2015, 00:30
My intent in this thread is to get the data on ELAT, to THE People without derailing sidetracking any guests and members alike trying to find out WHAT IS HAPPENING with the weather, locally and planet-wide.

Over in TOT, I have seen there is a clear approach to Truth.

There is a lot of self mod'ing with folks wanting to help each other stay focused.. I thank you for that.. more than you can imagine :)

I appreciate this policy immensely.. thank you again Malcolm and the Mods here for your vision and steadfast adherence to allowing the OP, to keep their thread focused and on topic, and share with the members and guests.. I commend you all once again.


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I would appreciate and request that this thread stay focused on finding the ELAT machines, going over the mechanics of HOW the weather can be manipulated, the most efficient ways such is done, and to develop counter-measures to prevent abuse or "weather wars".

Elat will be described in principle what a configuration looks like which has successfully modified weather precipitation.
(see below)

Please let's stay focused for the members and guests alike.

The machines (ELAT) as I have researched are based on the high voltage nano-particle generation concept.

I will further get into this below in the thread.

It's pretty simple and no amazingly complex physics is needed to understand it.

I have been looking at methods to deal with weather manipulation, or atmospheric manipulation. I have focused on this subject extensively since Colorado, New Mexico and the Philippines have be ravaged by weather anomalies over the last couple years.

I asked myself, Is there a real tech with solid physics behind it, could be a good question to ask.. I noticed that there are ludicrous websites and discussions saying that haarp and haarp-like systems are doing it.. This is nonsense, haarp has nothing to do with low altitude weather modification.. We will touch base on that briefly in the thread.

Anything which doesn't have the physics behind it, could very well be SPIN created by a conspiracy project to spin and lead people away from systems which could be used insidiously as weapons systems against THE PEOPLE and nations.

Background

In the 1996 time window a Russian scientist explained that Russia was exploring not "Tesla" technology (Tesla technology is HIGH FREQUENCY AC (alternating current) transmitting high voltage AC into the atmosphere). HAARP and haarp like transmitters are tesla type of transmission systems in the basic design.. The output is AC, not DC. AC takes apart structuring.

The importance is that Russia was exploring the creation of nano-particle sized DC electric nano-ions (charged particles of a size range from 3 nanometers to 80 nanometers). Smog or "contrails" consist of particles (large in comparison) generally 2,500 nanometers through 10,000 nanometers..

NANO-PARTICLES are the KEY to weather modification - making it rain, or stop raining, or create fog or blow fog away - moving those particles around with appropriate control systems allows for different affects to happen.

The completed militarized system consists of:
1) a high voltage generator and control system, of about 250 kilovolts with needle point ion-cloud elements on the "wires", plus
2) a microwave antenna and high powered transmiter to blast and direct the particles upwards. The microwave antennas would be either the dish type, or phased array type depending on the budget available.

An optional system adjunct would be a computerized control system to create timing of the microwaves, plus timing of the high voltages.. Such timing steps would allow for a form of 'steering' of the fields.. Steering would allow for modifying effects.

When the nanoparticles are "up there" in the key altitudes (the troposphere up to 50,000 feet), they cause nucleation, or particle clumping.

When the nano-particles clump they start to pull in other particles, and the storm clouds build.

A high or low can be created, and apparently directed depending on the polarity of the nanoparticles.

The original Russian company developed to commercialize this was called ELAT.

ELAT proved the concept and this was commercially used in Mexico.

The technology is also said to be capable of UNDOING what it had created (as shown on the diagram below for the Mexican test system that was deployed). IN other words, stopping a weather storm.

ELAT, the original weather modification company, was initially launched in Russia in 1990 and subsequently relocated to Mexico in 1995. The location in Mexico corresponds to the location of where the current storms are originating in Mexico.

This technology, although was developed for land based deployment, could very well be deployed using essentially the same ground based antennas, but using ship-borne reactor powered sources, (including the microwave source), and tethered balloon antennas, similar to the radar reflectors and observation balloons that are used off KEY WEST, in the State of Florida.


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"ELAT's weather modification technology - technology that Ionogenics, the new commercial company will now make available to U. S. and Canadian markets - has been used by the Mexican Government as part of their Federally funded rain stimulation program operating in multiple Mexican States."

"According to Dr. Roberto VonBertrab, Agricultural Secretary of the State of Aguascalientes, Mexico, " In the last two years, areas operating ELAT technology have experienced very favorable results. In fact, some areas in my state that typically get a range of precipitation between 250 and 325 millimeters (9.8" to 12.8") received precipitation levels greater than 700 millimeters (27.5")."

In 2002, areas using ELAT technology achieved rainfall increases of 50% or more than the areas where ELAT technology was not used. "

The articles on this were dated 2003, 10 years ago. A lot has happened since then.

In my thread within another Forum, http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post745726 I talked about Nano-Particles and a bit about how they are used, and what particle size the DANGER RANGE exists. It is a good read and there is a section that explains the "spraying" that people talk about feeling such is happening in "contrails", the science is explained what happens and what is dangerous and why.

Nanoparticles becoming visible

The Contrail nano-particle phenomenon from the exhaust gas expanding when then exit from a jet engine, is in the 3-80 nanometer size range.

The weather creation nanoparticle range is in the 3-80 nanometer size range.

Coincidentally, the cellular toxic range is under the 50 nanometer size range.

The nano-particles have to nucleate or clump, and build up to visible particles, outside of the danger size.

When they are invisible, below and smaller than the visible size they then become highly dangerous in this size range (they can induce extreme cellular damage).

The ability to create nano-particles and then control them to be used biologically or environmentally is known.

Seeing the weather systems being modified, generated, directed, modified and controlled, and seeing the history on the actual generation technology (as illustrated), I find it highly unlikely that such is not happening..the Dugway ring looks pretty darned close to the ELAT Antenna and the ground damage that it would create when operating.

So, here is the PIX of that structure shown at Dugway - Dugway appeared to have technology that could have been used to experiment with the weather)

http://chanlo.com/images/dugway-1.jpg



Here is the general design of a ground based ELAT antenna system:

http://chanlo.com/images/elat-1.jpg
http://chanlo.com/images/elat-1.jpg

Point in Fact
The above system was deployed in the area of Mexico proper and the closest locations is as shown:

http://chanlo.com/images/elat-2.jpg
http://chanlo.com/images/elat-2.jpg


This understanding (as expressed conceptually in this image below) is CRITICAL in understanding how weaponization of the benign ELAT system happened.

The addition of the microwave 'blowers' is what was used to weaponize the DC ELAT high voltage nano-particle systems.


The "militarized version" would consist of a high powered microwave power source to act as an "ion blower", to force the particles into the atmosphere into the precise location (and potentially induce rotation).

Rotation or setting up High or Low pressure fronts, could possibly be achieved by the phasing of the power to the antenna elements and the DC high voltage nano-particle radiator.

http://chanlo.com/images/elat-1m.jpg
http://chanlo.com/images/elat-1m.jpg


In my thread, I want to make it clear that it is not about haarp.. In this thread it is useless to discuss Haarp or haarp-like systems - the target for HAARP is up in the IONOSPHERE, at least 80 miles further up than weather can form.

The thread is not about Nexrad radar or any thing that deviates from the subject of ELAT and ELAT plus Microwave blowers.. Why? the other data that I have found published on the internet is basically spin and disinformation to lure people away from how weather modification is actually being accomplished.

This isn't science fiction. ELAT has been deployed in MEXICO and has shown that it can modify the weather..

Proof by demonstration by a commercial company using originally Russian developed concepts is proof enough.. Follow the money.

Weather modification is BANNED by UN treating by many nations.. Later in this thread those nations signing off on modifications of weather for any use without permission and open light disclosure is pointed out..

SOMETHING to Consider

If there are "stuck" or unusually precisely formed cyclonic events, either typhoons, hurricanes, or high or low pressure systems, there could very well be one of these modified ELAT systems, or substantially similar in operation systems running.

There is no need to have a massive "HAARP-like" (or HAARP) itself type of system as shown. What was needed was a method to understand that NANO-PARTICLES play the starting component, the nucleation (clumping) action to suck in moisture or condense existing moisture into pressure systems, either directed upwards or downwards, and steering systems able to direct (associated microwave generators). ALL the existing technology exists and it was deployed in Mexico for weather modification by a government.


see reference http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Ionogenics+Announces+Corporate+Launch,+Introduces+ First...-a098045118 for elat

norman
3rd January 2015, 00:45
I noticed that there are ludicrous websites and discussions saying that haarp and haarp-like systems are doing it.. This is nonsense, haarp has nothing to do with low altitude weather modification.. We will touch base on that briefly in the thread.

Anything which doesn't have the physics behind it, could very well be SPIN created by a conspiracy project to spin and lead people away from systems which could be used insidiously as weapons systems against THE PEOPLE and nations.



Just in case any readers are "chat" modified, not their own fault, I draw attention straight here to the first obvious point of departure.

Bob
3rd January 2015, 03:00
So is there any evidence that weather modification using something 'other than chemicals' has occurred? ELAT and Ionogenics companies have shown and demonstrated non-ionospheric heater type of weather control.. Not using silver iodide chemicals for "seeding" clouds, but actually creating clouds at the inception point.. which is at the nanoparticle level..

BOSTON--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Feb. 25, 2003

Company provides public, private and government organizations a means for combating the environmental and economic impact of drought, forest fires and other weather adversities..

Ionogenics, a company breaking new ground in the weather modification field, today announced the company's official launch and the immediate availability of its patented weather modification technology and services. Available to U.S. and Canadian markets, Ionogenics' weather modification technology safely alters the level of moisture in the air to produce or inhibit rain or snow.

The technology can also create air currents to disperse fog.

Public, private and government organizations looking to lessen the impact of adverse weather phenomena - drought, forest fires, and fog - will find value in the technology and services provided by Ionogenics.

"Whether you are reading your local, national, business or trade newspaper, listening to your radio or watching the evening news, you cannot escape the barrage of coverage focusing on the environmental and economic impact caused by severe drought, forest fires and other weather related hardships," said Judy Lazaro, Vice President of Business Development at Ionogenics.

"Now, water municipalities, water resource authorities, farmers, ranchers and risk management companies have an environmentally-friendly, field-proven, and economical means to combat these harsh weather conditions."


Although Ionogenics is a new company, its roots, technology, and resources run deep. Ionogenics' technology was originally developed by ELAT, a weather modification company initially launched in Russia in 1990 and subsequently relocated to Mexico in 1995.

ELAT's weather modification technology - technology that Ionogenics will now make available to U. S. and Canadian markets - has been used by the Mexican government as part of a federally funded rain stimulation program operating in multiple Mexican states.

According to Dr. Roberto VonBertrab, Agricultural Secretary of the State of Aguascalientes, Mexico, "in the last two years, areas operating ELAT technology have experienced very favorable results.

In fact, some areas in my state that typically get a range of precipitation between 250 and 325 millimeters (9.8" to 12.8") received precipitation levels greater than 700 millimeters (27.5")." In 2002, areas using ELAT technology achieved rainfall increases of 50% or more than the areas where ELAT technology was not used.

Cloud seeding, a method currently used to modify the weather, has been in practice for over forty years. It is a process typically used to help create precipitation by injecting silver iodides into cloud formations. Unlike cloud seeding, Ionogenics' approach does not emit chemicals into the air, does not require aircraft, and is not dependent upon the presence of clouds to produce precipitation.

Ionogenics' weather modification technique uses a process called electrification of the atmosphere. (Electrification requires about 250,000 volts of DC power and a way to choose either positive or negative polarity for the field. Any AC transmitters, such as tesla based transmitters, or radio wave transmitters (low frequency such as haarp and haarp like systems do NOT create low altitude nucleation sites, which would attract water vapor).

Generators are used to produce positive or negative ions into the atmosphere to achieve targeted conditions - an increase or decrease of moisture in the air, or a change in air currents, pressure or temperature. (this is EXTREMELY SIGNIFICANT AS IT IS OFFERING COMMERCIAL PROOF OF WORKING WEATHER MODIFYING TECHNOLOGY, that is NON-CHEMICAL in NATURE).

Ions are common particles in the air and are naturally positively or negatively charged.

An increase in ions alters the levels of condensation in the air.

To achieve the desired weather modifications, various atmospheric elements must be assessed to determine the proper amounts of positive or negative ions to be broadcast into the air.

Using Ionogenics' electrification of the atmosphere process, an average precipitation increase of over 50% can be expected - far more than the 10-20% increase typically achieved by traditional weather modification methods.

Each Ionogenics' station covers approximately 3,000 square miles, a radius of influence of about 30 miles per station.

Each station requires a plot of land approximately 600 feet by 600 feet or about 9 acres for the antenna.

This antenna is placed on posts that are 25 feet or higher. The land under the antenna can be utilized for farming, cattle grazing or for its originally intended purposes.

Pricing and Availability

Ionogenics' weather modification services are available immediately and are sold on an annual lease basis.

A one-year lease provides the hardware (computers, antenna, posts, and generator), the software and the actual turnkey operation of the hardware. Once an understanding of the area of coverage, control areas and desired results is defined, a lease price can be determined. (this determines and states unequivocally that this is a commercial grade technology and is out of the realm of hypothesis or speculation..)

About Ionogenics

Ionogenics is dedicated to providing weather modification services designed to lessen the impact of some of nature's weather adversities.

As the exclusive distributor of Electrification of the Atmosphere (ELAT) technology for the United States and Canada, Ionogenics is committed to helping public, private, and government organizations combat the negative results produced by certain weather conditions.

Additional information about Ionogenics can be found at www.ionogenics.com. (the site is now offline and requires that archive.org be used to get the data).

Bob
3rd January 2015, 03:09
So what is weather? Obvious is it ?

Maybe not..

Here is a primer from the FAA (US) for pilots who will fly into weather, in to the storm fronts, into cold, warm and stationary fronts.

They need to understand clouds, how they form, when rain, lighting, hail, or snow or terrible winds or down or updrafts happen.. When the atmosphere becomes turbulent and a person can die or loose their plane and all souls onboard by not understanding "weather"..

So here is the document:

http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Advisory_Circular/AC%2000-6A%20Chap%207-9.pdf

Bob
3rd January 2015, 18:50
Aerosols and nucleation

Particles need to clump together from the smallest nanoparticles and grow upwards, to attract water molecules.. When the particle size starts to reach over 1000 nanometers in size they start to become visible..

This is a simulation of H20 particle growth - as the particles bind, the agglomeration makes them bigger and bigger..



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The particles would continue to grow until they reach a size where they will either repel each other or continue to group. When they group to a certain level they will start to fall, air temperature will start to change, convection currents (or turbulence as shown in the FAA doc) will start to happen, and a complex system develops..

The ELAT system is about controlling the nucleation growth.

When ELAT was weaponized, a microwave blower system was setup to create a set of standing waves to be able to move the charged particles. Where such is directed, and if the particles can be swirled, either clockwise or counter-clockwise to create high pressure or low pressure storm systems is a question.. It is believed but not proved yet, that NOAA is capable of mapping such particle streams with the advanced computer projection and modeling systems that they have.

Here is how ultrasonic waves can move particles as shown in the video..

What needs to be noted, the wavelengths of MICROWAVE are very similar to the wavelengths of AUDIO.. So when something is being moved, the wavelengths are what is important, not the FREQUENCY..


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In your mind substitute the nano-particles created by ELAT DC high voltage generators for the white particles in the video...

The microwave "blowers" generate the appropriate standing waves and perform similar feats as shown in this video, at ALTITUDE and at some distance away from the transmitter site..

This technique then allows for weather modification, by re-directing moisture, to or from an area.. (Elat and Ionogenics proved that)..

Being able to spin particles into a tornado would be possible..

Weapons system? what do you think?

sandy
3rd January 2015, 20:51
I think anything is possible. With no real lasting weather patterns anymore that one can rely on including the trade winds, it seems very probable that this ELAT machine has gone rogue too and may be in the hands of the Global Controllers and their convoluted agenda's. :(

NANUXII
3rd January 2015, 23:55
Is it possible to electrostatically charge plates to reflect aluminium ? or does its rapid corrosion deny moisture in atmos to create an electrolyte ?

If it does reflect the matter where does it go ? Or is it better to create hydrogen and release it into the air as hydrogen over aluminium makes more hydrogen does it not ?

Aluminium traditionally clogs pores in the skin and id say clogs lungs if breathed in. It could also clog phtotsynthesis for plants too Bob ?

So what is aluminiums nemesis ? how can you neutralise aluminium and make a positive by product ?

Bob
4th January 2015, 02:29
Hia Nanu - I would think one could do that more like a collector of the nano-particles, like a type of vacuum cleaner.. So not to reflect cause of the issue you ask, where would it go, reflect to where? It would be better to get the aluminum out of the air, and the carbon soots, and other metals that have been nano-particle-ized..

As a positive byproduct of having captured nano-particles from air i can't answer that at the moment, just no dots to connect there, yet..

NANUXII
4th January 2015, 22:25
So like a Tesla tower ? with a vaccum cleaner in it ? the charge attracts the ambient particles and sucks them into a vaccum cleaner which filters the waste... the waste material can then be used for other applications.

Press 1 to hit Nanu on the head with a rolled up news paper

Please Press 2 to give Nanu a treat ( like a doggy biscuit or something )

Bob
4th January 2015, 23:33
I would think this would be like an air cleaner, like an opposite charge to the incoming nano-particles.. I suppose looking at the ELAT data original documents (which I have archived) should reveal which polarity to use.

I had mentioned at one time with the Reichean cloud-busters, that they used a microwave set of tubes (cavities of various lengths) and connected to a nano-particle generator (via a large flexible conduit like a wave-guide). The other end of the waveguide goes to running water (which provide the nano-charged water particles)..

All and all.. the countermeasures for this ELAT weapon then would be able to be relatively easily manufactured, and probably even setup permanently where the obnoxious particles are originating..

On button 2 :)

the personal nano-particle cleaner would be appropriate for homes, offices, schools and gathering places.. vehicles too have to deal with that wile being driven..

I think with the idea of ionizers, they missed that there are sub sub sub particles smaller than the regular macro oxygen ions that are not being treated properly..

The weather wars issue is obvious and dramatic.

Dealing with the personal nano-particles is then very critical for environmental health (and personal health).

--Bob

Bob
4th January 2015, 23:36
I think anything is possible. With no real lasting weather patterns anymore that one can rely on including the trade winds, it seems very probable that this ELAT machine has gone rogue too and may be in the hands of the Global Controllers and their convoluted agenda's. :(

Hia Sandy, in Post 10 I got into a little bit of countermeasures to deal with the weather weapons.. I probably will start a thread to explain more fully the nano-particle danger issue and show some ways to neutralize such.. Personal protection and environmental protection.

--Bob

sandy
5th January 2015, 00:00
Hi Bob,

I wondered if this was re- engineered from William Reich's Orgone work, so when you mentioned the cloud busters it certainly brings the volatility of this latest weaponry. At least that is what one is left to assume after the literal jailing and demolishing of this man's life and work, never to be talk about again!! His tenacity and fortitude is nothing short of miraculous and behind that a heart big enough to hold the world IMHO.

Bob
5th January 2015, 01:32
Hi Bob,

I wondered if this was re- engineered from William Reich's Orgone work, so when you mentioned the cloud busters it certainly brings the volatility of this latest weaponry. At least that is what one is left to assume after the literal jailing and demolishing of this man's life and work, never to be talk about again!! His tenacity and fortitude is nothing short of miraculous and behind that a heart big enough to hold the world IMHO.

My guess the original russian 'research' looked at Reich to find out how it worked.. the bridge to nano-particle formation seems to be the key point.. And nano-particle generation for instance could be how "dry thirsty plants" try to pull in moisture.. bringing in healthy weather..

Pollution creates the deadly DOR as Reich found.. what was not able to be determined by him was particle size, just that his tech worked, but how.. so he called it orgone..two types, the healthy and the unhealthy (again detailing the particle polarity of the nano-particles)... but didn't have a way to look at 3 nanometer sized particles (very invisible)...

All the tech for passive generation of water based nano-particles AND a microwave projection system (the orgone gun), sure looks like it mimics the ELAT system in a very mechanical way..

I can see how to tweak the orgone gun to be more effective relating to how ELAT works, to make a more efficient DOR buster..

--Bob