Should we back-off from the chipping away at the pedophile muckiness??....

[norman]

Hey folks, I've just had a eureka moment, or I think I have, I want to hear what others think about this.


I'm amazed how big the 'big picture' really is.

It's frequently stated by people who know we are up against something very big and still mysterious in some of it's aspects, that the only way we can turn this thing around is to persuade the minions of the system to turn against their masters and become whistleblowers or just simply remove their support so that the tiny number of controllers can't do what they do any more.

It almost goes without saying that part of the control method is blackmail by the well documented ways of entrapment, e.g. to lure a minion into a nasty situation with a child etc and film it, as leverage over that person for ever more. That doesn't need a lot of imagination to see how that works.

That state of things has worked very well for a long time and the controllers have been able to control.

Along comes a new scenario where lots of people on the internet are sniffing out the corruption and on the chase to "root out the bad guys and fix the world". By definition, we are still not "in the know". We are more or less tugging at any loose strand of the system we can get our hands on and pulling them as far as we can, usually, before noticing someone else has spotted another loose strand 'over-there' and quickly rushing to give a hand pulling on that one etc etc.

It's just occurred to me that this situation is actually firming up the resistance to our wish for transparency and change of management in the world.

Think about it, as horrible as it is that these minions have done the things they've done and have got away with it because the powers that be dangle that protection over them in return for doing their bidding, our hounding them for 'blood' is actually locking them down into an even tighter commitment to their masters, and making it even harder to persuade these minions to turn against them.

For as long as they can hear the sound of the 'ignorant' hounds coming after them, they are hardly likely to help destroy the only protection they've got from being captured and ripped apart by the hounds, so to speak.

I'm now wondering if this pedophilia stuff has been surfaced deliberately to put the wind up anyone who's thinking of turning.


What do you guys think?

[sandy]

Not sure about your hypothesis norman..........................although oppositional resistance is alive and well in all corrupt arena's it seems.

No one really wants to disrupt their own comfort even if it is not of the highest quality. Seems to me that most are so addicted to immediacy and taking care to feed what desires arise from sex, drugs, alcohol, gambling, eating, etc that taking the high or long road to well being is almost a lost cause these days.

If humanity cannot disrupt their immediacy needs and start taking the high road by doing the right thing then this public outing of sickness within the highest ranks (it is everywhere by the way) will die down and all will continue on to the demise of the world.

So you are in the same ball park as me in taking it to the individual to say NO............. I will not shut a blind eye or mouth to what I am witnessing and will no longer idly walk away and pretend it is not there!!

[Elbie]

to my mind, neither way the public wins confidence an/or justice.

your post is a fine piece of synchronicity as i have been thinking about the same only from somewhat different angle.

to turn things around you would need to get the masses off their tv screens and sunday tabloids, cos if you don't, you would get carefully planned reports into crimes of MP this or lord that etc. side by side other reports saying mother or father XY groomed their own children for sex or sold into slavery and similar. if you pay close attantion you will see this is how this media campaign is crafted in addition to overreacting and insisting on shockingly hard to digest gruesome details.not many can stomach it. the ones that can't, disengage.
in other words, the inbed media is relativising crimes against children, turning the whole string of crimes into a common thread that connects upper ruling class with ordinary people, ordinary gruesome crimes.

once most people start saying: it's always been happening, we the public, will have lost this cause.

media bosses would be handsomely rewarded

[sandy]

yeppers Elbie........people hate having to deal with their own discomfort never mind anyone else's :holysheep:

[norman]

....... public outing of sickness within the highest ranks (it is everywhere by the way).....




Yes, it IS at all levels. If we are going to reach critical mass and do something new that really changes all this, we have to impact at the very top. The top is where "trickle down" comes from. It doesn't seem to work with 'money' but it seems to work with everything else, funny that.

If we only work on re-shaping the trash-culture around us here at ground level, the "top" will accommodate that and gradually subvert it again. Until the "top" is fully chopped off and falls down into the mud under our feet, we can't 'win', only keep on reinventing loosing.

I know that ultimately it's not about winning and losing, but how else to we get from here to there?

I think our first priority, thinking human race here, is to do whatever it takes to isolate the top tier and put an end to them as controllers. From there we can move on to fixing all the other nicer stuff that most normal people regard the ills of the world, without ever knowing the cause.

If everyone who's ever done something bad and abusive was taken out of the picture, there wouldn't be many left. We have to prioritize tactically or else fail again and again.

[Calabash]

There's a lot about paedophilia on this forum and the internet, which forms the basis of everything that is ugly and wrong about the people who rule us and this is WORLDWIDE. Andrea Davison said in her radio interview posted today that we are discussing the same things today that were happening more than 20 years ago. THE SAME THINGS, SAME PEOPLE, ETC. . . We can't a blind eye now and rely on the snowball to gather its own momentum. We have to get behind it and push it along as far as we have to.

We have to step behind those people who are in the public eye, both supporters of the victims and the survivors themselves. It must give them some strength to know that public support is growing and behind them 100%. Please don't stop now folks . . .

[norman]

There's a lot about paedophilia on this forum and the internet, which forms the basis of everything that is ugly and wrong about the people who rule us and this is WORLDWIDE. Andrea Davison said in her radio interview posted today that we are discussing the same things today that were happening more than 20 years ago. THE SAME THINGS, SAME PEOPLE, ETC. . . We can't a blind eye now and rely on the snowball to gather its own momentum. We have to get behind it and push it along as far as we have to.

We have to step behind those people who are in the public eye, both supporters of the victims and the survivors themselves. It must give them some strength to know that public support is growing and behind them 100%. Please don't stop now folks . . .


I know. This snowball effect and it's reasoning is why I was hesitant to start this thread. I want the snowball effect to be the way all this mess ends well. I'm jittery about whether there is enough real awareness and willingness for the snowball to keep on going until it's done.

I'd bet my ass that the "top" people are gambling, and fiddling, and twisting and murdering, that they can still get away with letting the snowball roll all the way up to the moat of their lethal security circle and they will, as always, out smart us in the end and all will be well for them.

Now then, here's another unsavory factor.

An ex-intel agent on the internet, steering us via the emotional rings in our noses - spiced with a few tid-bits of juicy "intel", does make my alarm bell ring just as it does when other so-called EX this that and the other pop up on the net.

I'm in a dither about this, as you can tell.

My heart has an infinite capacity to see good in the emotional coming together of the little people. My head says we are in hostile territory just discussing this subject.

I guess it boils down to what I must put my "faith" in. The snag IS, If we don't ALL switch the same way on this, they win, we lose.

[norman]

This doesn't help me settle on which way to go with this dilemma either. Why is it SO high profile in mainstream madness right now?

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/feb/21/talking-angela-app-facebook-hoax-developer-outfit7

[The One]

Should we back-off from the chipping away at the pedophile muckiness??

I hope we never back off from this.It seems after Savile's death a curse was lifted and truth started to come out more.Its now become obvious that the government,police,health workers and local authorities have all been complicit in keeping the truth away from the masses.They are suppose to serve the people but instead of being part of the solution they have become part of the problem a big shame on them.

I for one am glad that these sicko's will be brought to justice one day.The evidence seems to be mounting and lets hope soon more will be arrested in relation to the above topic.The elites would love us to stop talking about this but for all the children that have been abused i and many others will keep that candle burning until justice is served.

Cheers

[777]

A brave thread norman, I hate hiding behind subjects to just get to this.

I want to change its' title for the very reason it is. That's the whole point isn't it? Yes we absolutely should back away from any current muse that's suggested to us as a trend in the media feed, because its likely just telling us what we already know. Is there any benefit following that? Subjective. Is it indicative of mass populace impetus at the time you felt it? Subjectively optimistic mate......don't mean to be a hippy and all that :chrs:

Chip away.

[norman]

I hope we never back off from this.It seems after Savile's death a curse was lifted and truth started to come out more.Its now become obvious that the government,police,health workers and local authorities have all been complicit in keeping the truth away from the masses.They are suppose to serve the people but instead of being part of the solution they have become part of the problem a big shame on them.

I for one am glad that these sicko's will be brought to justice one day.The evidence seems to be mounting and lets hope soon more will be arrested in relation to the above topic.The elites would love us to stop talking about this but for all the children that have been abused i and many others will keep that candle burning until justice is served.

Cheers


I feel all you said except the bit about the "elite" being glad if we stop talking about this. I was stuck in thinking they were on the run from us lifting "every stone" until I realised they have only lasted this long because their biggest fear victims are the ones who directly serve them and those are the one most in fear right now as we ( and the mainstream media ! ) chase for blood.

Of course I know what any active parent is programmed to think right now. That's the shakiest and scariest thing about this balancing act we are confronted with as this thing gathers it's armies together for something I hope will turn out good, but may not go that way at all.

[sandy]

Hi Norman,

It is not just about the Elite sicko's IMO and any information exposure and light on this darkness and plague on earth is purposeful in my mind................we don't know how many pedo's will read this thread or other info everywhere right now on the net.

Even if it is another meme to distract the populace it has merit in that those sicko partaking in scratching this evil urge even through porn will maybe think twice and if one change their ways or do not harm a child tonight then it is worth it's weight in gold, so lets not let this aberrant behavior slip by the wayside and fall into the slumber of comfort ... or apathy. :h5:

[norman]

Hi Norman,

It is not just about the Elite sicko's IMO and any information exposure and light on this darkness and plague on earth is purposeful in my mind................we don't know how many pedo's will read this thread or other info everywhere right now on the net.

Even if it is another meme to distract the populace it has merit in that those sicko partaking in scratching this evil urge even through porn will maybe think twice and if one change their ways or do not harm a child tonight then it is worth it's weight in gold, so lets not let this aberrant behavior slip by the wayside and fall into the slumber of comfort ... or apathy. :h5:

It's such a paradox. They've got us by the curlies, and that ****es me right off.

[Cearna]

How much do we value "Intent", because to my way of thinking they've had plenty of time to get their own activities working just the way they wanted everything, lots of planning and bribing and all the rest of it, so we are now well and truly behind the "8" ball.

AS far as I understand it if we have a great need for something to happen, then the intent of a few can be as effective as the few that have so far been holding sway with their intent. We need combined effective intent for the world to be a haven for all who see it as their most wondrous totality of fearless enterprise for all on one equal footing with no compromise on our own individual right to exist in our own soil and life. With ideas in this kind of vein ask for these kinds of feelings to be felt on all fronts of the Earth and acted upon. Don't just think about what we need done, put it into words of intent like Ria did on one of her thread.

If that don't work, then join me in making a fire ball go all round the Earth destroying darkness as it comes in contact with it, no snowball Norman, a fireball is my idea and I've about had enough, its about time the NO MORE idea began to spread .

We are unlimited potentiality and it's about time that was recognised.

[Elbie]

I hope we never back off from this.It seems after Savile's death a curse was lifted and truth started to come out more.Its now become obvious that the government,police,health workers and local authorities have all been complicit in keeping the truth away from the masses.They are suppose to serve the people but instead of being part of the solution they have become part of the problem a big shame on them.

I for one am glad that these sicko's will be brought to justice one day.The evidence seems to be mounting and lets hope soon more will be arrested in relation to the above topic.The elites would love us to stop talking about this but for all the children that have been abused i and many others will keep that candle burning until justice is served.

Cheers

your and many others' noble sentiment is not going to help the enquiry. unfortunately. as long as our media is in the business of creating and managing perceptions. not saying i know better way of getting justice for the victims and society at large, just that this issue is a mine field where at the end of the day our multicultural society may conclude: we have no alternative.

what do you think is the alternative? on supposition all the crimo-sickos are apprehended and jailed one fine day? how do you take things from thence on? does charles and andrew get interviewed for their connections with known paedo-criminals?

@cearna
intent as creationist force may work if not juxtaposed to another, if it isn't belligerent.

[gardener]

I agree with the one, we must fight and keep on fighting there are many children's life at stake, Kevin Annett is a very brave man, I respect him let's keep up the support for him and for our own conscience.

[Calabash]

Believe it or not, Theresa May has now started warning US about the child abuse scandal which, in my view, is an almost complete turn-about-face from her attitude in recent months. Could this have anything to do with the hints appearing daily in the press, regardless of D Notices? And this is precisely why we should not back off Norman. We're almost there, please God. These people need closure, others need protection from current and future abuse and we need a new Government.

If I met Theresa May I would ask her how many existing politicians are active paedophiles and when are they going to be arrested.

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03115/Theresa_May_Andrew_3115325b.jpg

Revelations that politicians allegedly murdered and raped young boys is "only the tip of the iceberg" in the Westminster historic child abuse scandal, Theresa May has warned.

The Home Secretary expressed dismay that institutions designed to protect children failed in the past and said she was determined to bring those guilty to justice, whatever their position. The comments came on a weekend in which Mrs May appeared on Radio 4's Desert Island Discs and on BBC One's The Andrew Marr Show – the corporation's flagship Sunday current affairs programme Mrs May told The Andrew Marr Show: "How was it that in the past, but continuing today, the very institutions of the state that should be protecting children were not doing so?"

"Why was it that these abuses were able to take place and that nobody was brought to justice as a result of that. We must as a society, I believe, get to the truth of that and because I think what we’re seeing is frankly - what we’ve already seen revealed - is only the tip of the iceberg on this issue.”

Earlier in the same programme the Metropolitan Police commissioner Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe said dozens of officers were investigating historic Westminster child abuse claims but admitted the police were struggling to locate old dossiers of evidence.

“First of all we are taking it seriously. We have got 40 detectives looking into these relatively new claims, and there are a series of claims over a relatively long period of time and not all of them are linked, although in the public’s imagination they may be, in that it is child abuse," Sir Bernard said. "We have now had more recently this discussion or these claims about murder and of course that makes it even more serious." He said locating old evidence was a "real challenge", adding: "You have to rely on the index and if the index is wrong you can't find it, or you look in the wrong box."

[norman]

"How was it that in the past, but continuing today, the very institutions of the state that should be protecting children were not doing so?"





Is that a serious question Mrs May, or are you mocking us?

[sandy]

I think it was a serious question Norman as it seems many of these people really do live with their head up their behind when it comes to what everyday society and indviduals might actually experience versus what they have been told.



Is that a serious question Mrs May, or are you mocking us?

[777]

Is that a serious question Mrs May, or are you mocking us?

It's also admission if you read between the lines of "but continuing today" and BOOSH, there it is. Come of thine own free will. She has just told us......so now they can continue according to masonic rite.