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Sooz
18th November 2014, 08:53
I am having a yeeha moment!: Sherlock: I know we have discussed here before about music tuned in 440 Hz and 432 Hz, but I never understood or knew the history behind it. The *******s have a finger in every damned pie.

This all makes sense! (The first flute mp3 is very difficult to hear, well at least on my computer.) However the comparisons of the two in the first vid are very easy to spot once you have listened a few times. It has a completely different feel about it.

It was interesting for me to read that a musician/composer - d'Albert (Eugene d'Albert), among others, played their music in 432 Hz. I spent quite some time in the home of d'Albert's son in Vienna*. But I digress.

Also interesting to note how Freud's nephew, Edward Bernays, the 'Grandfather of modern advertising propaganda' got in on the act too.

An absolutely fascinating essay and very well put together.

http://www.viewzone.com/432hertz.html

*Those who read a thread of mine about the Belgium Castle, called 'Chateau des Amerois', this was the home I met the Princess,......................., who I believe was associated with the Castle. Completely different subject but thought I should connect the dots there.

Edit: I had her name there, thought I should edit that out. However she has passed on now.

777
18th November 2014, 09:14
Thanks for this Sooz, looks fascinating. I shall study with vigour ce soir. As a nosey aside.....I was deeply moved by Amerois when you filled me in a bit about it, a terrifying, sick place to say the least. What is the connection between there and Albert's home in Vienna?

Lord Sidious
18th November 2014, 09:25
The ''author'' of that page MAY know something of music, but he knows little of history and/or politics.
Nazi music, pffffffft........................

Sooz
18th November 2014, 09:40
Thanks for this Sooz, looks fascinating. I shall study with vigour ce soir. As a nosey aside.....I was deeply moved by Amerois when you filled me in a bit about it, a terrifying, sick place to say the least. What is the connection between there and Albert's home in Vienna?

Yes the Chateau de Amerois is darkly fascinating. In the 80's I and my partner spent quite a lot of time in their home in Vienna. It was like a base from where we travelled to all the eastern bloc countries. Eugene d'Albert was a composer of note. We stayed with Eugene d'Albert's son and his wife. They were my partner's Aunt and Uncle.

They mixed with European royalty ('minor royalty' they called them - princesses, duchesses, - apparently it's not the same as british royalty - low brow apparently, lol), and held many parties and because we were the 'hangers-on', we got to meet them too. Among them, the Princess, who I only discovered recently, was associated with the castle in Belgium, Chateau de Amerois. Castle of the Dark Mother. Very sinister place.

The Princess was a very charming woman, but I think they all are. They are trained to be that way. :nails:

I sat at her feet all night on a footstool picking her brains.

Edit: I should add that in the 1980's I knew absolutely NOTHING of what we talk about here now.

Sooz
18th November 2014, 09:42
The ''author'' of that page MAY know something of music, but he knows little of history and/or politics.
Nazi music, pffffffft........................

How so? Care to share?

Did you read the whole thing?

Sooz
18th November 2014, 11:12
Being a pedant here, but I note that 432 adds up to 9.

3 x 3 = 9. The number three is a vital life force.;)

440 = 8, a completely different animal, numerologically speaking.

norman
18th November 2014, 11:57
Being a pedant here, but I note that 432 adds up to 9.

3 x 3 = 9. The number three is a vital life force.;)

440 = 8, a completely different animal, numerologically speaking.


That's an interesting article, especially the bit about the study with psychiatric patients.

I wouldn't put weight on the numerology though. I'm constantly amazed that so many people do. I won't be at all surprised if one day soon someone writes a convincing article that counting in base 10 is as contrived as tuning to 440 A. IF we change the base of counting, all the numerology will fall apart.

Sooz
18th November 2014, 12:12
That's an interesting article, especially the bit about the study with psychiatric patients.

I wouldn't put weight on the numerology though. I'm constantly amazed that so many people do. I won't be at all surprised if one day soon someone writes a convincing article that counting in base 10 is as contrived as tuning to 440 A. IF we change the base of counting, all the numerology will fall apart.

Hi Norman,

I put my nutty numerology thing in just for fun, or maybe not.

777
18th November 2014, 12:30
That's an interesting article, especially the bit about the study with psychiatric patients.

I wouldn't put weight on the numerology though. I'm constantly amazed that so many people do. I won't be at all surprised if one day soon someone writes a convincing article that counting in base 10 is as contrived as tuning to 440 A. IF we change the base of counting, all the numerology will fall apart.

It would change yes. Fall apart as it's currently contrived yes. Fall apart as in become useless as a tool? I'm not sold on that personally.

Lord Sidious
18th November 2014, 12:39
How so? Care to share?

Did you read the whole thing?

For one thing he says Germany started world war two.
That is not correct.
He also says others were using this before them, but it is ''nazi music'' somehow?
Just some limpdick using controversial terms to get attention to his theories.
Whether the music side has merit or not, I don't know.

jimmer
18th November 2014, 12:40
440 sounds brighter, to me. *
432 sounds slightly dissident, in comparison.

the debate rages on.

* love that mind control : )

777
18th November 2014, 12:42
For one thing he says Germany started world war two.
That is not correct.
He also says others were using this before them, but it is ''nazi music'' somehow?
Just some limpdick using controversial terms to get attention to his theories.
Whether the music side has merit or not, I don't know.

Good points. I hadn't actually thought of it like that if I'm honest. So we're talking a build up of Russian troops on several European borders and a frequency range that cannot be "branded"....

Wolf Khan
19th November 2014, 02:13
440 sounds brighter, to me. *
432 sounds slightly dissident, in comparison.

the debate rages on.

* love that mind control : )

It is because we have become attuned to bright dissident music and until we can handle the 432hz frequencies, 440 will always sound better ...shows how much corruption we have adjusted to as the norm....

norman
19th November 2014, 04:04
I still think the big story isn't about the reference pitch as much as it's about the intonation.

Before keyboard instruments, that is, before Mozart and Bach, musical instruments were tuned modally. The harmonic relationships between the notes were nigh-on perfect, or as perfect as a person could tune an instrument by ear. There was one very big snag with such harmonic perfection though. The instrument was only so perfectly in tune with itself in just one musical "key". Any attempt to play in a different key, without completely retuning it, would produce a horrible disharmony.

When keyboards came along the composers and musicians wanted to be able to exploit the new potential of them and wanted the freedom to perform/play in any key they fancied at any time.

To be able to do that, they came up with what's called "equal temperament" tuning. That's what we still have today. I can instantly tell when I'm listening to a modally tuned instrument, especially a guitar. It's so sweet sounding, regardless of what reference pitch the musician has used to set it up.

I've never really liked it when a tune changes key midstream. I always like a tune to be a single sweet and lush feel from beginning to end. From my own point of view there is no need to use equal temperament tuning. When I was practicing guitar regularly I usually tuned it modally but there are times when you have to fit in with a tune that isn't because all electronic music ( except for specialist stuff ) is equal temperament. Synthesizer manufacturers rarely make them re-tunable other than to raise or lower the pitch a little. There are some though. You can download a software patch to enable the old Yamaha DX7 to go into a mode they call micro-tuning which DOES allow you to tune it modally, as long as you stick to playing it in the one key you've tuned it for. I think there may be a few others too.