control

[ronin]

this is a something that has bothered me and i cannot understand the mentality or concept of.
why would people want to control others?

let,s say we live on this planet for the average age of 70.
is it really your goal to make as much money as you can in those 70 years you are here?
do you really want to contribute to wars,a nwo,gmo and dumbing down of the population for your 70 year stay.

you cannot take it with you.whatever you have helped with in this lifetime?
so why the greed ,the control?

so much negative energy,imagine what it would be like if it was positive.
you have the elite,blair,clinton(that woman)think it,s her name ect making millions ect
for what?
to secure her family bloodline at the cost of others lives and poverty?
you cannot take it with you.

we are now even seeing anti homeless spikes so they cannot sleep in a doorway!
why?
doe,s it really make that much of a difference to your life that you have to develop such a contraption?

we think we need to be rich and in power to live on this planet,to control and have the upper hand over everyone else.
if not another country then we turn on ourselves and pick on the weak.

so what happens?people do not know which turn to seek?they look elsewhere for answers.
the church?many people are becoming aware,but at the same time it is still a billion strong.
the politicians? once they are in office they become a puppet.
the lies?we really need something outside to believe in.

everyone wants a savior and no one wants to look within.
we mention unprogramming to what we have been conditioned to.
but no one has come out with the idiots guide to unprogramming oneself.

they say that technology that is given to us is at least ten years behind!or they are at least fifty years ahead.
wars that are happening now where planned decades ago.

control,a NWO,for what?

to spend your seventy years here making a name and a battle that you will never see the end off?

who really will benefit?

[sandy]

If one is reborn as in reincarnation or implanted into a younger person and has full memory of past lives then hey, having control, money and power may be an ongoing heritage transferring from one body to the next................not to mention the ongoing history of indoctrination, entraining and mid control dynamics that we all experience here in 3d at least. Just some thoughts.

[norman]

If one is reborn as in reincarnation or implanted into a younger person and has full memory of past lives then hey, having control, money and power may be an ongoing heritage transferring from one body to the next................not to mention the ongoing history of indoctrination, entraining and mid control dynamics that we all experience here in 3d at least. Just some thoughts.

For a while I've had a hunch that the 'occultish' practices those people are alleged to get up to might enable them to, at least partially, bypass the amnesia the rest of us have to pass through before we return, if we indeed do.

[Ria]

European royals killing naked children for fun at human hunting parties | TRUTH

http://truthcdm.com/european-royals-killing-naked-children-for-fun-at-human-hunting-parties/

[Sooz]

European royals killing naked children for fun at human hunting parties | TRUTH

http://truthcdm.com/european-royals-killing-naked-children-for-fun-at-human-hunting-parties/

This is not palatable material. And for those who only follow mainstream news, this must seem as 'way out' as it gets.

There is no doubt in my mind this **** goes on. David Icke has spoken about it for decades now. Cathy O'Brien has spoken about it, having had first hand experience with her daughter.

I probably wouldn't believe it unless I had a close friend who told me stuff that happened to him and his family over 4 decades ago.

I pray for a day when all this comes out. It will change the world on its ear, when it does.

[777]

European royals killing naked children for fun at human hunting parties | TRUTH



Bold, speculative and unverified. We may never know, the opportunity cost of which is averting one's gaze to potential solutions rather than bask in problems based on hearsay.

[Sooz]

Bold, speculative and unverified. We may never know, the opportunity cost of which is averting one's gaze to potential solutions rather than bask in problems based on hearsay.

Yes, unverified and speculative, because nothing can be proven. That is what keeps it secret and not out in the open.

At what cost though? It still keeps on happening because people don't want to believe it until there is black and white proof.

The ptb have the power to keep the proof under wraps, by all manner of means at their disposal.

Meanwhile children and others are being.......well you get the picture.

And we sit here knowing what is going on....no wonder people give up on life as we know on this planet.

[KosmicKat]

Anyone who knows anything has to keep trying to get the word out. There is nothing hidden that shall not be made known.

Don't forget there was a time when the idea of large crime syndicates run by single families was dismissed as conspiracy theory.

[777]

Yes, unverified and speculative, because nothing can be proven. That is what keeps it secret and not out in the open.

At what cost though? It still keeps on happening because people don't want to believe it until there is black and white proof.

The ptb have the power to keep the proof under wraps, by all manner of means at their disposal.

Meanwhile children and others are being.......well you get the picture.

And we sit here knowing what is going on....no wonder people give up on life as we know on this planet.

I agree with you fully Sooz. I just took exception to labelling it "truth".

I'm a bit cranky today, my apologies. :cracky:

[Sooz]

Seems to be cranky people all around these days. Just lost my reply, so will try again.

Remember there were conspiracy theories around 50 years ago and even before I was born.

One was about the Italian mafia, ya. It was supposed to be a conspiracy theory. Proven true.

Ditto for the Jews gassed in Germany under Hitler. Proven true, although there are some grey spots there, don't want to get into that. That is a whole, big, bucket of big worms and I want to get to bed soon.

Point I'm making is that there is truth all around, all the time. Perhaps 50 years later you find out the real truth.

Throwing up my hands at this stage and going to listen to some music. It all gets too much sometimes and ya gotta chill.

Sooz

PS: At the risk of being ticked off by others, I am also sick and tired of some people with grandiose egos....incredible, breathtaking, intellectual arrogance to others who post here. Make of that what you will.

Goodnight.:)

[shamanseeker]

Bold, speculative and unverified. We may never know, the opportunity cost of which is averting one's gaze to potential solutions rather than bask in problems based on hearsay.

Unfortunately, this is not hearsay. There are witnesses coming forward.

[Ria]

Unfortunately, this is not hearsay. There are witnesses coming forward.

Ditto

As it happens my copy and past facility is jumping all over the place on this I pad it is very difficult to control so the word truth may not have meant to be there.
not worth the ding dong over it.
I would indicate if I thought it should be viewed with some reservation.
:ht:

[lookbeyond]

I thank you for posting this material Ria, the more people that read it, the more possibility, that greater exposure will reveal guilt, whether by action or association

[shamanseeker]

I'm posting this here and hope it's on topic because what the Pope is doing imo is making these statements in order to cover up the fact that he's involved in what's been going on, i.e. torture of people in ritual sacrifices and ceremonies. It is is very typical of our leaders at the moment to repeat very strong statements but do the opposite and when they are accused of doing the opposite people don't think it's true because they have said something else. Always look at what people do, not listen so much to what they say! We are living in a period of incredible hypocrisy!

I read the following in an Italian newspaper, Il Giorno of 23 June, 2014:

The Pope condemns torture "It's a mortal sin; its a very grave sin." A day after he excommunicated members of the Mafia, launched in the region of Calabria (the 'toe' of Italy), the Pope has raised his voice once again.

"On 26th June - he reminded - it will be the United Nations Victims of Torture Day. On this occasion I repeat the strict condemnation of every form of torture."

However, the Pope has not limited his denouncement and asks the Church to do something about it and not 'stand at the window'. "I invite Christians", said Francis, to work hard on collaborating for its abolition and to support victims and their families."

Thus, Francis warns that certain forms of evil risk being distanced from God forever. The same principle for which, with clarity, from Sibari he informed members of the Mafia that they are excommunicated; out of the church forever unless they repent.

Amongst the faithful at St Peter's Square, there were about 100 people united in protest and to remember that it has been 31 years since the disappearance of Emanuela Orlandi. Something the Pope has not mentioned. "The silence of the Pope is very 'heavy' indeed said Orlandi's disappointed brother."

Emanuela Orlandi was a teenager who lived in Vatican city and whose father worked there. She went missing in 1983 at the same time as another teenager in Rome. Her father, a lay official at the Vatican, died shortly after and her mother has believed what the church, i.e. Pope Paul II have told her. Her brother especially has kept asking for clarification. The Italian TV programme 'Chi l'ha visto' (Who has seen him? or Crimewatch in English) has spent quite a lot of air time on this. The presenter is a very brave and determined person who has broadcast a lot of information on the case. De Pedis's girlfriend who was the head of a band of gangsters told the story of driving with him to the Vatican one day and seeing Cardinal Marcinkus, the American Cardinal named as being deeply involved in the Vatican Bank scandal when Pope John Paul I died after only a month in office and believed by some to be responsible for his murder, hand over two bodies to her boyfriend to get rid of. He told her, when she started to say she recognised him, that if she had recognised him never to mention it to anyone. When her boyfriend died, he was found to be buried in the crypt of the Basilica of Sant’Apollinaire, the most important church in Rome after St Peter's, in the centre of Rome. When the Vatican was asked to comment on why this 'common criminal' was given a tomb there they did not comment. Unidentified bones were taken away for analysis. All the police will say, for sure, is that they are not from de Pedis’s body.

Her mother and sister became very angry at this news and didn't want to believe it because they're devout Catholics and it seems her brother believes what Woytila told them, i.e. that she was a victim of the people who controlled the Turk, Mehmet Ali Agca, who tried to assassinate him in St Peter's Square.

The presenter of Crimewatch was phoned by someone who threatened her and told her not to mention all of this again but she is dedicated to getting the truth out. She has told the public that Elisa Claps who was found in the attic of a church that she was killed by a group and that it was a ritual killing but of course this is not mentioned anywhere else and the authorities still attribute her death to the man who her led her there. One of her family friends is a magistrate (in Italy an investigative judge, John Henry Woodcock, who is half Napolitan and half English. He is famous for having arrested the Pretender to the Throne, Victorio Emanuele who has been tried once in Corsica for shooting a German and who was accused of organising prostitution in a casino in the north of Italy but who was allowed to serve his 'time' at home instead of in prison. Needless to say, he didn't stay there very long!

See more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/vaticancityandholysee/9275065/What-is-the-Vaticans-sinister-secret-behind-teenager-Emanuela-Orlandis-1983-disappearance.html

[donk]

I thought we were all "go within-ers" around here?

The need to control yourself, a nice balance of emotional/mental/physical control, is the most empowering feeling a human can have. That's been twisted on this plane of reality, as above, so below...

I live by the mantra: why control another? Control yourself...

[shamanseeker]

There's nothing wrong with being aware of the situation we're in. We can still be empowered and in control of our own sovereignty but people outside need to know what's happening.

[modwiz]

I thought we were all "go within-ers" around here?



Nah, they are few in number and mainly those "people with grandiose egos....incredible, breathtaking, intellectual arrogance to others who post here.":p

[KosmicKat]

There's nothing wrong with being aware of the situation we're in. We can still be empowered and in control of our own sovereignty but people outside need to know what's happening.

Unless we are aware, we have no choice between accepting and rejecting a situation. Accepting may lead to more of the same. Rejecting, to less.

[The One]

This is what I learned that everybody is talented, original and has something important to say

[shamanseeker]

Thanks Kosmic and The One. The arrogant ones are the ones who don't appreciate the differences and uniqueness of every one of us.

[donk]

this is a something that has bothered me and i cannot understand the mentality or concept of.
why would people want to control others?

let,s say we live on this planet for the average age of 70.
is it really your goal to make as much money as you can in those 70 years you are here?
do you really want to contribute to wars,a nwo,gmo and dumbing down of the population for your 70 year stay.

you cannot take it with you.whatever you have helped with in this lifetime?
so why the greed ,the control?

so much negative energy,imagine what it would be like if it was positive.
you have the elite,blair,clinton(that woman)think it,s her name ect making millions ect
for what?
to secure her family bloodline at the cost of others lives and poverty?
you cannot take it with you.

we are now even seeing anti homeless spikes so they cannot sleep in a doorway!
why?
doe,s it really make that much of a difference to your life that you have to develop such a contraption?

we think we need to be rich and in power to live on this planet,to control and have the upper hand over everyone else.
if not another country then we turn on ourselves and pick on the weak.

so what happens?people do not know which turn to seek?they look elsewhere for answers.
the church?many people are becoming aware,but at the same time it is still a billion strong.
the politicians? once they are in office they become a puppet.
the lies?we really need something outside to believe in.

everyone wants a savior and no one wants to look within.we mention unprogramming to what we have been conditioned to.
but no one has come out with the idiots guide to unprogramming oneself.

they say that technology that is given to us is at least ten years behind!or they are at least fifty years ahead.
wars that are happening now where planned decades ago.

control,a NWO,for what?

to spend your seventy years here making a name and a battle that you will never see the end off?

who really will benefit?

I believe what I made red is as good a motivator as any...I think it is arrogant to think we are the "top of the food chain", and that the "food chain" begins and ends with physical 'stuff'...it's an energy web, and I believe there is a range of entities from critters to "creators" that chow down on what we consider "negative" energy.

The green is the "how", their programs are pretty good at generating their (modwiz--correct me if I can't use it here, misunderstanding the term) "loosh", what they like to (or need to) consume to exist.

If you can learn to not take it personally, and better yet teach that to others, we can start to starve some of the more detrimantal-to-the-forms-of-life-we-prefer-to-coexist-with type of beings in our locale. Tall order, but what better do you have to do.

Understanding that the desire for control is a truly anti-human idea I think is key...

[ronin]

I believe what I made red is as good a motivator as any...I think it is arrogant to think we are the "top of the food chain", and that the "food chain" begins and ends with physical 'stuff'...it's an energy web, and I believe there is a range of entities from critters to "creators" that chow down on what we consider "negative" energy.

The green is the "how", their programs are pretty good at generating their (modwiz--correct me if I can't use it here, misunderstanding the term) "loosh", what they like to (or need to) consume to exist.

If you can learn to not take it personally, and better yet teach that to others, we can start to starve some of the more detrimantal-to-the-forms-of-life-we-prefer-to-coexist-with type of beings in our locale. Tall order, but what better do you have to do.

Understanding that the desire for control is a truly anti-human idea I think is key...

psychic vampirism,loosh,energy stealers ,call them what you want.
never forget that that before we began to awaken ourselves to this control and the society that we live in that we also lived in that system and still do.
i hear some people who think themselves awakened state that the majority of the rest of the world are psychopaths.
i also heard a a statement useless eaters.

so is their really a divide?where you born enlightened,awakened or did it come to you through experience,suffering,empathy and a understanding that you cannot explain?

when you look at another person and judge them are you not judging yourself?as we are all one,a fragment of the whole.

so each fragment is having it,s own experience whilst intermingling with yours!
each fragment will learn off the other in whatever it needs to learn.

we all seek return to source but we agreed to live and learn every aspect of the human emotion possibilities.
how could we return to source and be humble if we did not?

there is no them and us,where your own personal experience is concerned.there is only your experience.
the rest of the world can fight among itself for a million years.
but we each awaken in our own personal time.

forget the big pharma,forget the rat race(or use it to your advantage).
when you you start to realize the truth ,i pretty sure the truth lets you know by synchronicity and all sorts of weird s hit that only makes sense to you.

end of the day we are all given a choice and this choice determines whether we are ready or not to move on or be re incarnated.
but their are no failures as we will all get there in the end no matter how long it takes.

[donk]

we all seek return to source but we agreed to live and learn every aspect of the human emotion possibilities.
how could we return to source and be humble if we did not?



I don't...I am fine just BEING.



there is no them and us,where your own personal experience is concerned.there is only your experience.
the rest of the world can fight among itself for a million years.
but we each awaken in our own personal time.



This is the "go-within-er" crap I'm talking about. There is a "them", as described in my post. There is WAY MORE than just beings which you can imagine who are just like us--I believe there exists infinite expressions, and some of them make my reality less pleasant, when I don't take it personally--it is positive experience, I learn and grow from it. But, my "being" is more enjoyable in general when "them" vampires are not consuming my energy.

[modwiz]

Understanding that the desire for control is a truly anti-human idea I think is key...

I agree, totally, with this statement. Anti-human is a signature behavior of the outside problem, IMO.

[The One]

Do you see a person wise in their own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for them.

We are all the same, control is just another trick for people who think they are more superior.

Cheers

[shamanseeker]

I wonder why those who are happy just 'being' which is OK by me get so upset when people talk about what's happening. And who are we to decide who has the ego and who doesn't?

I also wonder how happy the Cabal are when the people who are talking about what they're doing are bullied into not talking about it anymore because it is bullying when people are made to feel guilty when they want to talk about something.

The Pope recently told his followers that we were committing a grave sin by criticising others. The governments are passing laws forbidding us to protest, talk about certain things and criticise parliament.

I don't obsess about these things but I do mention them because I think it's better that people are aware. I'm not worried about if someone agrees or not: they have as much right to their opinion as I do. These people can criticise this but by doing so are they themselves detached and only 'being'?

[gardener]

hello Ronin thank you for that, if you want to take control of the world and run it, I can see that you will not succeed. The world is a spiritual being, which cannot be improved. To try to manipulate and control it is to create disorder. To try to stabilize it is to destroy it. ( oh not you personally)just something from Tao. gardener x

[Cearna]

Control is a fear mechanism - let's say we as children fear, just being a child in a world filled with so many behavioural lists we have been given. Those who grow up under the Scientology belief that we already know what to do, allow their children to make their own decisions. If you've grown up with that as your means of operating in a world with no boundaries, no inhibitions, just do as you feel right, then many things will come easily to you, but when taken out of this freedom to be, do they know yet what to do? We start off on the whole , with the idea that their are in fact boundaries of behaviour, and many feel really happy within this environment. You know what to do under certain circumstances and in that knowing we can be happy for some time. But, are we happy when someone comes along saying "Do as I told you" , or "My way or the Highway", this makes them happy because they are not upset as long as you stay within the rules. Having begun to find your way though, this is something that can become your own problem, not theirs, as long as you stay within the rules OK they can be in their own equilibrium and be happy, but should you step aside from that, then neither can be happy.

Until, in Truth all recognise the fact that we each came to learn something of our own selves, any control is going to keep, especially the most sensitive, in a state of constant upheaval. A set of boundaries to live within, that allows us to be part of the whole, and not hurting others, but allowed to "feel free" to gain our own self needs is what our modern society is lacking. We are now living in amongst the many, especially in towns, so a great many of those, many, get upset when their need to liven with a secure safety, is toppled by those who wish freedom to do as they wish. This is why we have these Government that so many of us now see as oppressive and getting more so, they will go on being more and more controlling as long as those requiring safety in many ways wish to see their life made more safe. The so called safety, began to dissipate 60 years ago, the things that were once the agents of security, have now become the same reasons for fear and the closing down of the old societal norms. Until there is an educational process that allows the understanding that we now call being "aware" becomes as much a part of society as the old inhibitions and control are, then we will continue to have a "crazy mixed up world".

We stand at the precipice of the older set or norms and a freer means of thinking for ourselves, as well as the "good of the world", and many of the controls which have led to safety before, have to now become a new set of liberating ideals, that allows for each to feel free within a set of Universal laws that allows for consciousness to be possible within each person of the whole. Surely we all have enough on our plate learning to go through each experience in tolerance and compassion for that learning experience, and allowing for the equality of us all to shine through, without needing to have those who think they know us better than we know ourselves, setting the benchmark for what and how we exist together.

[Cearna]

Another point in the direction of control is that when you live only in the mind, associated with reasoning, then the mind can only tell you what seems in fact to be logical, but it cannot sense the real reason for using your temper or control on someone else. If your reasoning ability is not too good, then your mind begins to shuffle lots of information to you, which means you end in confusion. Teaching yourself to get to clear your mind of confusion is difficult, so the final rage is then felt to build up, then your head begins to spill out all the stories on the matter in hand. To fear this is so mind boggling, that most in this situation cannot Light themselves up. When fear is in control, the first thing that you lose is your ability to live in real life, as a well functioning, independent, lit up person. If you can't think straight, the you are like a baby who is not in charge of themselves, and you are a person ill lit to behave in real life, for that period of time. This is OK unless you have to function in life, with authority, then it becomes pear shaped, and they become so far out of sensory perception, that all under their control become robotic in responses. after this, every one begins to live in real fear, as they realise their is no connection to the need to live in a social culture that actually cares what it is handing out under this control.

For yourself, when you realise your mind has taken over, simply say those magical words,"I now open up"and your life can flow again as it is meant to and your spirit and soul can once again enter the arena of your life instead of the controlling mind. If all could do this we might just end up with a lot less need for others to control every one, and have our senses working for us again.

[donk]

I wonder why those who are happy just 'being' which is OK by me get so upset when people talk about what's happening. And who are we to decide who has the ego and who doesn't?



Someone who is truly "happy just 'being'" will not get upset "when people talk"...about anything...

I decide who "has the ego" by my discernment of their actions versus their words, in my direct experience. I removed someone I decided was a psychopath recently. If you told me you thought they may not be, that I might be wrong, I would not get upset, I would listen intently. Perhaps I would beleive you, that you found them to not be a true psychopath in the "Sith Lord" sense of the word. That doesn't change the fact that they were completely psychopathic TOWARD ME, and more importantly, my family...

Emotional detachment is important...watching what you project on to others--even more so.