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turiya

6th May 2014, 20:00

Jeff Rense: 4/30/2014 (http://rense.com/)

HOUR 1 - Dr. Bill Deagle MD - Multiple Updates

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TOPIC(S): Fukushima - California Seals & Sea Lions are starving - Sardines non-existent - 2014 The year of viral outbreaks - Need to have Radiation Buoys to Monitor - Civilization is near Collapse - We're in a Cosmic & Galactic Battle - There's been a Direct Collaboration Connection with Off-World Beings - "With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility" - Underground Building (Tunnel machines) has been going on since the 1980s

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HOUR 2 - Tim Rifat - Ukraine Update

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TOPIC(S): Please bear in mind Tim Rifat (Terrible Tim) is an eccentric that is bent on antagonizing Rothchild families, Shaking a Stick at Putin, MI-5, The Queen, Parliamentary Politicians, Obama, American politicians & anybody else that has a rigid ideology that they live by - Ukraine - NATO - Saudi Muslims - A clip is played by Jeff regarding the recent events in Odessa, Ukraine - Saudi & Chechnya Muslims brought in as Rebels - An entertaining piece if one is of the right mindset

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Jeff Rense: 5/02/2014 (http://rense.com/)

HOUR 3 - Deborah Tavares - The Noose Is Tightening On All Americans

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TOPIC(S): Mandatory Vaccines coming to CA - Chemtrails - Weather & Man-made droughts - 1933 Bankruptcy & the Corporatized America - Executive Orders - Governmental Fraud in the Seizure of Private Lands - We are the enemy!

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turiya

16th May 2014, 18:47

Jeff Rense: 5/12/2014 (http://rense.com/)

HOUR 1 - Jonathan Emord - The State of the Union

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TOPIC(S): Lois Learner - The United Decision - IRS Scandal - Targeting of Tea Party Applicants - Is there any one left that tells the truth? - Hillary Clinton Had to Know About Benghazi - Either She Blatantly Lied or She is Incredibly Incompetent - State Establishment of Atheism - 5th Amendment Right Resides With the People not With Supreme Court Justices - Michigan's Legislature Resolution on Constitutional Convention - 34th State - Specific Initiative (based on Balance Budget Amendment) is at Issue - Constitutional Convention Would NOT be a Wise Move - Police State USA - Indistinguishable from a Military Dictatorship - Ineptitude of the Commander-in-Chief (Obama has no Backbone) - the Embarrassment of John Kerry

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Jeff Rense: 5/14/2014 (http://rense.com/)

HOUR 1 - Tim Rifat - Ukraine Update

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TOPIC(S): Please bear in mind Tim Rifat (Terrible Tim) is an eccentric that is bent on antagonizing Rothchild families, Shaking a Stick at Putin, MI-5, The Queen, Parliamentary Politicians, Obama, American politicians & anybody else that has a rigid ideology that they live by - May 25 Russian Presidential Elections - Blair - Banker Thieves Lining Their Pockets - Soros Promoting Buying up Ukraine - 8+ Million Russians in Ukraine are all Terrorists - United Nations Supplying 'Attack' Helicopters to Provide "Relief" - "Time to Kill Russians" - Propaganda BBC [BPN] - Peace Talks not for the "Pro Militants" - Ukraine Being Used to Take Down Russia - $17 Billion from IMF for Ukrainian Natural Resources (as collateral) - Obama: more BS - Psychic Warfare/MKultra Technology Being Used on Putin - Malaysian Flight 370 Presently Being Chipped & Brainwashed - Another entertaining piece if one is of the right mindset

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Jeff Rense: 5/15/2014 (http://rense.com/)

HOUR 2 - Dr. Bill Deagle MD - Multiple Updates

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TOPIC(S): Fukushima - NRC: "We Stopped the Leak" - Not saying what was leaking - Biometrics Wanted in order to Use the Internet - Death of Sea Lions - No Smelt Run - No Sardines - Death of Owls Along the Coast - GMO the Upper Atmosphere - Drones Dispersing Nano Particles (Chemtrails) - Reasons: Absorbtion field imaging, Create a Plasma Explosion Over Another Country, Change Climate, Storm Cells, Destruction of Ozone Layer - Changing the UVB Light Levels - Increases Cancer Rates - Laying out for a Sun Tan is Not a Good Idea - Bees are going Blind - Exposure to Gamma Rays, Cosmic Rays & Radiation - 20,000 Ocean Dead Zones Now - Dome Cities? - Not for 7 Billion People - Flying at 40,000 feet Exposure to alot more Radiations - Approaching Red Dwarf Star - Not Nibiru - Will Increase Volcunization All Over the World - Comets Coming - Kumbra Viejo is Slipping will bring on a Tsunami for the U.S. East Coast - PTB Want a Population With a Diminished Ability to Reproduce - U.S. is Centuries Ahead of Russia in Weapon's Technology - Russia Being Erected as the Boogie Man of the World - The Present al Qaeda Terrorists are too Irrational to Remain as the Present Boogie Man - A Multi-Layered Chess Game - China is ready to Implode Economically - HAARP Weather Control Going to be Shut Down This Summer (Now Obsolete Technology) - Replaced with Space Based Platforms - Active & Passive Ignorance - Torches & Pitchfork Days Are Coming - Deputy Assistant Secretary of the Military David Walker Clip Talking About Ending HAARP

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turiya

22nd May 2014, 02:30

Jeff Rense: 5/20/2014 (http://rense.com/)

HOUR 1 - Gerald Celente - Trends Come Home

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TOPIC(S): Trends Journal - All The Wars - Afghanistan War Longest - Idiot Carl Levin - OccupyPeace.US - No Foreign Entanglements - The New Middle East in Africa - HIV was a Device to Depopulate Africa - R Hunter Biden - Board of Director of Burisma Oil (Ukraine) - Chevron - Devon Archer (http://www.rstp.com/devon-archer/) Kerry's Step-Son - Kerry at Yale - Obama's National Security Team - What u see is what it is - Economy - China Real Estate Bubble - Ghost Cities - Food Stamp People & Walmart - GDP in Europe Down Across the Board - When Interest Rates Go Up, America Goes Down - Self Sustaining Economy Needed

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turiya

Highland1

22nd May 2014, 11:40

Fantastic compilation of all the horrors facing humanity today Turiya.

thank you

Russ

TimeLab

22nd May 2014, 16:56

Please take note of the revolving table at Rense of pretty short list of the same constantly repeating nearly all JEWISH guests since the beginning... 10+ years?.... and the WHINING WHINING WHINING, fear mongering, moaning, blaming, endlessly doomy talk with ZERO positive, ZERO suggestions of what to do for the better, how many times the word 'ZIONIST' is said over and over and over and over and over and over....and NEVER any listener call ins. I couldn't stomach any more Rense since 6 years ago for so strongly feeling a very deceptive underlying energy zapping agenda with a very false face of supposed exposing the bad guys. I couldn't find it again, but recall that the network he's affiliated with is not one we respect here. Don't forget, a good psy-op mixes plenty of truth and 'see we're the good guys' sounding stuff into the disinfo to be effective and have plenty of plausible deniability. Might also be worth investigating who owns the plethora of companies advertising there.

turiya

23rd May 2014, 05:08

Thanks, TimeLab. I will take that as a bump for the thread.

Funny that your dislike of Rense brought you to a thread entitled Jeff Rense Downloads.

The Jewish/Zionist is only one topic that is covered. And this subject gray-matter is something that an open mind needn't be afraid to look at. If one has come to the point of thinking that they know it all, then know well that the mind has become closed.

Rense & his guests also cover many other subjects that you perhaps have over-looked: Dane Wiggington (http://www.talkshoe.com/resources/talkshoe/images/swf/lastEpisodePlayer.swf?fileUrl=http://k002.kiwi6.com/hotlink/p2w6oxct1z/rense.20130710.2of3.mp3) has been one of the guests on that covers the government Chemtrailing. Yoichi Shimatsu (http://www.talkshoe.com/resources/talkshoe/images/swf/lastEpisodePlayer.swf?fileUrl=http://k002.kiwi6.com/hotlink/2qv9fsi0cl/rense.20130711.3of3.mp3) & Michael Collins (http://www.talkshoe.com/resources/talkshoe/images/swf/lastEpisodePlayer.swf?fileUrl=http://k003.kiwi6.com/hotlink/2iuqkboiu3/rense.20130722.3of3.mp3) have provided in-depth Fukushima (radiation) coverage. Individuals such as Peter Davenport have been on to discuss UFOs - don't be shy here's one of his interviews (http://www.talkshoe.com/resources/talkshoe/images/swf/lastEpisodePlayer.swf?fileUrl=http://k002.kiwi6.com/hotlink/7a28qc67g7/rense.20130715.2of3.mp3). Jonathan Emord (http://www.talkshoe.com/resources/talkshoe/images/swf/lastEpisodePlayer.swf?fileUrl=http://k007.kiwi6.com/hotlink/q72qpoupyb/Rense.20140512.1of3.mp3) is a Constitutional attorney (that one is posted above) discusses much of what is taking America down. Devvy Kidd (http://www.talkshoe.com/resources/talkshoe/images/swf/lastEpisodePlayer.swf?fileUrl=http://k002.kiwi6.com/hotlink/ie6ylu5i7z/rense.20130709.1of3.mp3)is second to John Emord (imo), she's a former politician & knows the ins & outs of what is taking America to the dung heap. Jeff also covers Morgellons (w/ guest like Cliff Mickelson) like no other radio show host I've come across - check it out part1 (http://www.talkshoe.com/resources/talkshoe/images/swf/lastEpisodePlayer.swf?fileUrl=http://k002.kiwi6.com/hotlink/13wa03ux5l/rense.20130712.1of3.mp3) & part2 (http://www.talkshoe.com/resources/talkshoe/images/swf/lastEpisodePlayer.swf?fileUrl=http://k002.kiwi6.com/hotlink/va08x07116/rense.20130712.2of3.mp3). The genius of Bill Deagle provides a wide variety of topics & insights. Jeff's interviews with Joel Skousen (http://www.talkshoe.com/resources/talkshoe/images/swf/lastEpisodePlayer.swf?fileUrl=http://k002.kiwi6.com/hotlink/ekorw2wzs4/rense.20130709.3of3.mp3) covers the hidden globalist agenda behind US foreign and domestic policy like no other. Dr. Ann Blake Tracy (http://www.talkshoe.com/resources/talkshoe/images/swf/lastEpisodePlayer.swf?fileUrl=http://k005.kiwi6.com/hotlink/2889xki4kw/rense_20120725_3of3.mp3) has been on to discuss the SSRI (http://www.ssristories.org/) problem that is at epidemic proportions in the U.S. & causing our military abroad to commit suicides that is at a rate that exceeds the men that are killed in combat. Hesham Tillawi (http://www.talkshoe.com/resources/talkshoe/images/swf/lastEpisodePlayer.swf?fileUrl=http://k003.kiwi6.com/hotlink/2d21sgz3br/rense.20130722.1of3.mp3) is a Palestinian-American writer, TV talk show host, and political analyst, he's been on previously to talk about the Middle East Crisis. Jeffery Smith (http://www.talkshoe.com/resources/talkshoe/images/swf/lastEpisodePlayer.swf?fileUrl=http://k003.kiwi6.com/hotlink/vy2j94n4j8/rense.20130723.1of3.mp3)has been on to discuss the GMO issue. Frosty Wooldridge (http://www.talkshoe.com/resources/talkshoe/images/swf/lastEpisodePlayer.swf?fileUrl=http://k003.kiwi6.com/hotlink/wcak6n63h9/rense.20130723.3of3.mp3) has talked about the Illegal Alien issue that is, too, blowing apart America at the seams. Lindsey Williams (http://www.talkshoe.com/resources/talkshoe/images/swf/lastEpisodePlayer.swf?fileUrl=http://k003.kiwi6.com/hotlink/88h19ksva6/rense.20130726.2of3.mp3)has been on & I really have never heard him say the word Zionist or Jew ever! Jeff has had on Dave Shea, aka the Zen Gardener (http://www.talkshoe.com/resources/talkshoe/images/swf/lastEpisodePlayer.swf?fileUrl=http://k002.kiwi6.com/hotlink/03i1572v2h/rense.20130729.1of3.mp3) - perhaps you've heard of him. Or, how about Jay Weidner (http://www.talkshoe.com/resources/talkshoe/images/swf/lastEpisodePlayer.swf?fileUrl=http://k002.kiwi6.com/hotlink/86cmfvlmot/rense.20130730.2of3.mp3)who's discussed the JFK assassination, Sandy Hook, Stanley Kubrik or even one of his own films. Or, maybe Catherine Austin Fitts (http://www.talkshoe.com/resources/talkshoe/images/swf/lastEpisodePlayer.swf?fileUrl=http://k002.kiwi6.com/hotlink/nw7m4eh0wx/rense.20130731.1of1.mp3)to discuss everything financial & about the economy?

I could go on & on, but I think other members/readers will get the idea.

Don't be shy, TimeLab click on any of these highlighted names or word links that will take you where you may not have gone before.

But what I really think is your "thing" is that this Zionist-Jewish gray-matter is really what your 'button' is sensitive to. And the possible reason for that may be because you may possibly feel quite threatened when that gray-matter subject is discussed. And so, that is only what you tend see and/or hear, and tend to screen out any other subjects that are brought up with other guests.

Just saying... I may be wrong, but that is what I am sensing. Tell me I'm wrong & I will accept that.

cheers - turiya

TimeLab

23rd May 2014, 17:45

Turiya, it's pretty silly to imply that I'm secretly doing something that I don't want to admit for looking at a thread about someone I dislike. It was to see if people were buying it all like I did for a few years and suggest things to take a hard second look at. This was pretty shallow fishing for bullets to aim at me by painting a picture of your own assumption to accuse me of.

I forgot to mention one humongous red flag about Mr. Rense that made me first suspect, then sure something else was up over time in the years I subscribed - he has completely avoided 9-11 and all guests who discuss evidence. This is huge, considering it's very likely a combined US inside/Israeli operation. Read that again... HE HAS AVOIDED 9-11 - AND ALL RELATED TOPICS. So does Noory.

I see the agenda at Rense and many,many other places, with a well-meaning interviewer or not, as the dark side using them to accomplish saying what they are doing which has the effect on the alternative community of planting dread, info/disinfo and very effectively sending the message of WE'RE IN CONTROL, how bad it is and how people are powerless to fight under the guise of 'exposing'. The alternative community person then goes out thinking they have info, but perpetuates the info/disinfo, but mostly dread and confuscation of issues.

It is a big difficult messy messy soup now, and very hard for well-meaning alternative, open-minded people realizing how deeply they've been duped wanting to be of service by exposing truth to be on guard and see beneath the face of very sophisticated deception operations that appear to be on their side planted within their community. Don't forget, the dark side STARTED the newage/alternative community and was ahead of us from day one for this anticipated, well planned future purpose. I didn't get that for a long time.

Lindsay is the biggest snake oil salesman shill on the circuit. To me, any interviewer willing to present him in seriousness at face value is showing his own cards. So, so, so many hard questions are unasked. Kidd, Skousen, Frosty, Weidner, and Fitts are still high repeaters on his short list revolving door?? Yuck. Whiney doomy energy. Please think about the lecture/interviewee circuit and WHO IS NEVER ON RENSE too.

You ignored my points of who owns his network, who owns the companies advertising. Don't minimize or make excuses for that. It also matters that there are never any callers, forum or interchange with listeners. Also, what other interviewers are in his network? It matters. And who the hell is he??? His ONE 20 year old picture has never changed and he's NOWHERE else ever.

You are buying the glossy exterior and ignoring the dark spots. I did too for a long time. It's creepy and humbling to realize how vast and embedded the deception is, and how gullible you were, and may still be. If you spent time believing or trusting someone, it's hard for your ego to say oops and will many times madly defend itself ignoring the counterpoints even if it knows better. I'm constantly on high alert now, picking out nuggets, but rethinking everything and everybody.

turiya

23rd May 2014, 19:07

TimeLab

23rd May 2014, 21:07

I stand corrected with 1 interview, but didn't see the date of it. I said I quit subscribing about 6 years ago, there was nothing in depth on 9-11 before then and plenty of people were talking and that stood out very strongly to me.

The main point of of my post which pointed out taking responsibility for getting duped myself and exactly why is still being totally ignored. If you're going to claim that one gross error defeats the whole, then why not throw all of Rense's guests credibility out for the repeated promotion of shill Williams?

You shouldn't because it's stupid.

I did not say his guests do not frequently give out accurate info. The sum of the who, repetition, very tight/closed group and the rest of my questions all together form the red flag I'm putting on the table.

My questions still stand:
Where is any presence of him anywhere else or a picture more recent than 20 years anywhere?
Who is his network?
Who are the advertisers?
Why no callers?
Why so many prominent guests on the same lecture circuit ignored?
Why such a short list of high repeat guests for over 15 years now, some primarily only on Rense over and over and over.....?
Pick a few interviews from the first 10 years and count the times the word Zionist was said with haughty disgust over and over and over...
He's got an extremely repetitive and narrow pattern going now for a very, very long time behind very, very closed doors.

Your refusal to take the sum of the parts of the whole point I've made into consideration does not add up to a trustworthy recommendation of Rense.

turiya

24th May 2014, 14:15

I stand corrected with 1 interview...

Make it 2 interviews
Henry McKow on German Intelligence: Mossad Organized 9/11

Henry Makow & Jeff Rense
Show date: September 11, 2006

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfv1IYaOY4M

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Make it 3...
Gordon Duff has be a frequent guest on Jeff Rense in the past. Due to his national security clearance(s), he tends to be a bit cryptic in how he phrases what he knows during his Rense interviews.

9/11 ISRAEL CONNECTION Gordon Duff Interviews Russian Intel Nuclear Special Ops
Duff interviews Dimitri Khalezov
Note: Mike Harari was an Israeli Mossad agent

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VIDEO: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfv1IYaOY4M

Concerning 9/11, Mossad, Israel:
There are plenty of articles Rense has put his name on here (https://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&q=911+ISRAEL+MOSSAD&sa=Search&domains=rense.com&sitesearch=rense.com).

One in particular is dated 11-2-2003 titled:
Five Israelis Were Seen Filming As Jet Liners Ploughed Into The Twin Towers (http://rense.com/general44/those.htm)
Check it out, TimeLab. (Click on the title - it will take you to the article.)

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My questions still stand:
Where is any presence of him anywhere else or a picture more recent than 20 years anywhere?
Who is his network?
Who are the advertisers?
Why no callers?
Why so many prominent guests on the same lecture circuit ignored?
Why such a short list of high repeat guests for over 15 years now, some primarily only on Rense over and over and over.....?
Pick a few interviews from the first 10 years and count the times the word Zionist was said with haughty disgust over and over and over...
He's got an extremely repetitive and narrow pattern going now for a very, very long time behind very, very closed doors.

Your refusal to take the sum of the parts of the whole point I've made into consideration does not add up to a trustworthy recommendation of Rense.

Listen "friend", I am not Jeff Rense.
It seems you have an itch that you want someone else to scratch for you.
I am not that individual, either.
You feel you got burned. Well, sometimes it happens. Live with it. Learn from it.
I sense you want to blame it on somebody else. That ain't me neither.
To tell you the truth, I could care less about the problem that you have with Jeff Rense.
Its your problem, not mine.

Here's the contact link. Go to *his website* and ask him this stuff yourself:

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(http://rense.com/contact.html)

Peace goes with you - try to connect with that (i.e. the peace that is within you).
Cheers
turiya :cool:

777

24th May 2014, 17:43

turiya

24th May 2014, 23:09

Hi Turiya. I have edited your last post as we don't allow links to goods for sale as per TheOne's wishes for his forum. I'm sure we can all find his website without the link.

It also doesn't help support your argument when it looks like you're simply promoting on his behalf, which I'm sure you are not but this is how it may appear to some.

Aside from that, thank you for bringing the material to our attention. I have my own personal views on its' validity but I won't hinder the interesting debate between you and TimeLab with my own opinions!

I have no idea what you are referring to.
If there was a link to goods for sale, it was not my intent to put it there.

Also, it may be wise to consider turning off the 'Thank You' button to users, because it does show what side one is taking in an argument such as this, even when nothing is said. ;)
Just a thought.

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Ah, I see what you did, 777. The Rense website link - Yes, Rense does sell stuff on his website.

Best regards
turiya

lookbeyond

24th May 2014, 23:26

777

24th May 2014, 23:30

turiya

24th May 2014, 23:58

Well, i was considering buying Q-link pendant/bracelet for my children to help protect against the wifi at school from the Rense site-does anyone know if they are worthwhile?--sorry to go off topic Turiya

Thank you, lookbeyond. Your sense of humor (is how I took it) is an added welcomed post at this particular juncture. lol

Best - turiya :cool:

turiya

25th May 2014, 02:27

Jeff Rense: 5/22/2014 (http://rense.com/)

HOUR 2 - Dr. Bill Deagle MD - Multiple Updates

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TOPIC(S): Fukushima Mismanagement - Inducement of Mutations - Energy Solutions Corp - Kitty Litter Behind New Mexico Radiation Leak at Nuclear Dump at Carlsbad NM (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/kitty-litter-behind-new-mexico-radiation-leak-nuclear-dump-n109576) - Ebola in Africa - A Number of Air-born Plagues About to Emerge - Also Sars & Mers - Estimated 10,000 55 Gallon Drums of Radioactive Methane Producing Kitty Litter - Putin Contracting With Iran, Taiwan to Build Nuclear Reactors - All Are Being Built in China - More Madness & Insanity - Air Currents Carrying Radiation Transpolar - Moving Toward an Ice Age - Massive Amounts of Methane Hydrate Being Produced - David Walker: HAARP To Be Demolished (Clip Played) - Consequence: Fire Season This Year Will Be the Worst in This Millennium - Regional Marshall Law Coming - "Elbow Effect": Acute Radiation Sickness - Japanese Rich are Moving Out of Japan (India is one Destination) - 12 States Are Going to Be Bankrupt in this Coming Year - Devaluation of the US Dollar - Russians Are Players in This - Scientific Journal Article - Eltro-toxins - Spread of Pathogens - Doctors Cannot Stay Competent Because Paradigm of Health Care is Changing Too Rapidly - A Bunch of Idiots Running the Government - Israelis Are Not Our Allies - Rand Paul - Obama Biden - We Are Marching Toward Armageddon -

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turiya :cool:

turiya

25th May 2014, 03:40

Hi Turiya, yes I said I didn't want to hinder the debate (as to the genuity of the Rense material), but I'm entitled to thank posts I appreciate without clogging the thread up with mine own. I don't mind if that is indicative of opinion, that's what it's there for after all :)
Ben

Thank you, 777.
I can easily accept your reply if you were known as a typical member. However, I am sure you are aware that when a member happens to have a "position of influence" on a forum, as in your case it is "Site Administrator," then there is some relevance as to the possibility of affecting the thinking of other members. If nobody knew you had such a position, as even in being a forum moderator, then there would be absolutely no concern whatsoever, imo. Just a thought on this particular issue.

Thanks for allowing me to express.

Best regards - turiya

777

25th May 2014, 13:34

Thank you, 777.
I can easily accept your reply if you were known as a typical member. However, I am sure you are aware that when a member happens to have a "position of influence" on a forum, as in your case it is "Site Administrator," then there is some relevance as to the possibility of affecting the thinking of other members. If nobody knew you had such a position, as even in being a forum moderator, then there would be absolutely no concern whatsoever, imo. Just a thought on this particular issue.

Thanks for allowing me to express.

Best regards - turiya

I appreciate your response and can't fault its' logic other than a mild amusement at the irony of discussing an opinion-driven concept completely unrelated to the original, to the detriment of it......exactly what I was trying to avoid, whilst still maintaining my freedom of opinion.

On which note I shall gracefully bow out. You know where we stand now. All the best.

:back to topic:

turiya

25th May 2014, 18:43

I forgot to mention one humongous red flag about Mr. Rense that made me first suspect, then sure something else was up over time in the years I subscribed - he has completely avoided 9-11 and all guests who discuss evidence. This is huge, considering it's very likely a combined US inside/Israeli operation. Read that again... HE HAS AVOIDED 9-11 - AND ALL RELATED TOPICS. So does Noory.

I suppose, TimeLab, that you missed this Art Bell vs Jeff Rense debacle thingy:
It seems that it began with an article posted 9-17-4 on the Rense website. The author was Thomas Buyea covering an interview that Alex Jones had with a senior advisor to Senator Bob Dole. The Article begins as follows:

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Keep in mind when reading this, that the man being interviewed is no two-bit internet conspiracy buff.
Stanley Hilton was a senior advisor to Sen Bob Dole (R) and has personally known Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz for decades. This courageous man has risked his professional reputation, and possibly his life, to get this information out to people.

The following is from his latest visit to Alex Jones' radio show.
Forwarded with Compliments of Free Voice of America (FVOA): Accurate News and Interesting Commentary for Amerika's Huddled Masses Yearning to Breathe Free.

Note: All honor to Stanley Hilton for risking his life so that we may know the truth of 9/11.

The Bush Junta Unmasked

"This (9/11) was all planned. This was a government-ordered operation. Bush personally signed the order. He personally authorized the attacks. He is guilty of treason and mass murder." --Stanley Hilton

Alex Jones interview of Stanley Hilton, attorney for 911 taxpayers' lawsuit
Alex Jones Radio Show September 10, 2004 Transcription by 'RatCat'
ARTICLE SOURCE (http://www.rense.com/general57/aale.htm)

The above article was posted prior (about 7 months) to Art Bell's March 5, 2005 interview with Popular Mechanics magazine's senior researcher, Benjamin Chertoff, cousin of Michael Chertoff, the new head of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), a massive bureaucratic security agency created as a result of 9/11.

One day prior to the day of this March 5th interview (March 4, 2005), Christopher Bollyn (American Free Press) had sent a letter to Art Bell that he later had posted on the Rense website:

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To: Mr. Art Bell Coast to Coast Radio Date: March 4, 2005

Re: Upcoming Radio Interview with 9/11 Propagandist Benjamin Chertoff, cousin of Michael Chertoff, on Saturday, March 5, 2005

Dear Mr. Bell,

I see that you will interview Benjamin Chertoff, the 25-year-old "senior researcher" of Popular Mechanics and his research and role in producing the current cover story "Debunking the Lies of 9/11," on your show tomorrow night, Saturday, March 5.

As your Coast to Coast network website says about the upcoming Art Bell show: "Research editor for Popular Mechanics magazine, Ben Chertoff, will discuss the 16 most prevalent claims made by conspiratorial theorists regarding 9/11 and how the staff of Popular Mechanics debunked each of them."

COUSIN OF MICHAEL CHERTOFF

Because Benjamin Chertoff is a cousin of Michael Chertoff, the new head of the Dept. of Homeland Security, a massive bureaucratic security agency created as a result of 9/11, I'd like to ask you a few questions:

Do you condone the flagrant and undemocratic nepotism of the Bush administration, for example this Chertoff connection, whereby a senior government official's cousin has written a propaganda piece supporting the government's seriously flawed and incomplete investigation of the events of 9/11?

This is the kind of thing that Saddam Hussein was known for. This is not very American and at all honest journalism.

Will you ask Ben Chertoff about the journalistic ethics practiced by Hearst Corp. and Popular Mechanics in which a cousin of the "homeland security" czar has produced a major propaganda piece in Popular Mechanics which clearly seeks to discredit the citizens' 9/11 investigation and calls serious researchers like myself, Eric Hufschmid, and Dave von Kleist - liars and extremists?

Will you ask Ben, Popular Mechanics "senior researcher" about how "secondary fires" i.e. burning office furniture, supplies and paper, "induced the collapse" of the twin towers, as the FEMA-Building Performance Study conducted by a team headed by Dr. Gene Corely during ONE WEEK, concluded - including the complete collapse of the towers' 47 central columns? (Source: Executive Summary by Gene Corley, FEMA-BPS 2002)

I would advise you to ask him why the Windsor Building in Madrid endured a 24-hour inferno with temperatures of 1,000 Celsius, without collapsing, on Feb. 12-13, 2005.

Will you, on coast-to-coast radio ask Ben about his relationship with his cousin Michael Chertoff. And will you also ask about Mike's dual-national status as an Israeli national by virtue of the fact that his mother was the first hostess with Israel's El Al airlines and a Mossad operative in 1949-1950 during Operation Magic Carpet?

Tip: Ben's mom told me that Ben is a "cousin" of Michael Chertoff, the Sec. of DHS. Ben's mom, Judy Dargan, can be reached in Pelham, New York, where Ben graduated from high school in 1998. Judy told me that Ben's dad is Larry Chertoff. I think he is a senior executive with the NY EPA and deals with water issues, but I have not confirmed that.

For more information about Benjamin Chertoff and his ties to Michael Chertoff - and Michael's ties to Israel - and Mossad - please read the following:

9/11 AND CHERTOFF: COUSIN WROTE 9/11 PROPAGANDA FOR PM
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=66176

CONTROLLED PRESS HIDES CHERTOFF'S ISRAELI ROOTS (http://www.bollyn.com/controlled-press-hides-chertoffs-israeli-roots-2)by C. Bollyn (AFP)
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=66175

WILL ART BELL ASK BEN CHERTOFF ABOUT HIS TIES TO DHS?
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=66177

Mr. Bell, I will be listening. If you fail to openly address and discuss these essential and troublesome facts, I will be forced to accept the conclusion that you are also part of the 9/11 cover up.

Respectfully,
Christopher Bollyn
American Free Press
Washington, D.C.
www.americanfreepress.net

After Art Bell's interview with Ben Chertoff has taken place, he begins to scathe 'on air' the alternative media (Rense in particular), & those that doubt the "official story." Michael Goodspeed then posts an article on the Rense site dated March 06, 2005 that is entitled:

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Another article posted on the Rense site on March 08, 2005. This one written by Judy Andrea:

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Art Bell / Coast2Coast Responds:

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OPEN LETTER FROM ART (http://www.coasttocoastam.com/article/open-letter-from-art?mode=print) (March 13, 2005)
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Side Note: The above date is when this 'Open Letter' was put into print on the C2C website, days after Art Bell began voicing his opinion of Rense on his radio show.

IN ART'S OWN WORDS
FROM: http://www.coasttocoastam.com/gen/page859.html?theme=light

ART BELL:
AN OPEN LETTER TO MY LISTENERS

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Just so there is no confusion about my position, let me please state for the record, I DO NOT believe that President Bush ordered or authorized the 9-11 attack as was posted on the Rense site 9-17-04 (Thomas Buyea). This was only one of many such articles found on that site. Yes, we do have a free press and it is constitutional to write such trash. It is also my right to say that I think those who are making such charges are repulsive, and publishing such articles is yellow journalism. The Rense site has been attacking me for several years and I have never fired back because frankly what they have chosen to say about me is not important, however what they charge about President Bush and America is damaging to all of us. Much as I think we must always be alert to what our Government does, I also feel we must be alert to BS when we see it. If there were any proof that our President ordered the murder of our citizens, we would be in the middle of impeachment hearings or worse. Make no mistake, that IS what we are talking about here. There may be some questions in all the confusion of what happened on 9-11, however none of it adds up to we did this to our own people. It is not possible to be just a little pregnant on this issue. I will not be part of the “Blame America First Crowd.”

I have examined all the so-called evidence offered by those who make claims ranging from bombs to missiles and much more. I find no "smoking gun". That said, Coast-to-Coast AM has had SEVERAL guests that have talked about these claims WITHOUT CHALLENGE. The moment ONE Guest was aired with an opposing view the "wing nut" crowd started yelling unfair. How can a group of people who claim to be open minded possibly take such a closed minded view? Perhaps they are not as open minded as they claim. Worse yet, they call names and make threats. One post- 9-11 effect is clear, we are a much less civil society.

I believe much of what is being charged is political, not criminal. The "wing nuts" of course will not admit this, but scratch a little deeper and you will almost always find a Bush hater. I am not a Bush fan for reasons that have nothing to do with 9-11. I am also not a Bush basher. I voted for John Kerry because he made a promise to not put nuclear waste in my backyard. Most politics are local and was in my case. I am for the most part neutral with regard to President Bush. I am a Libertarian who believes in personal responsibility and less Government in our lives.

Now being almost 60 years old, perhaps I am an old fashioned American who believes that America is still the best country in the world. I come to this view having seen much of the rest of it. America is not perfect, but it is the best. Maybe some of our tax money would be well spent by giving our youth a round trip ticket to the country of their choice; I am guessing most would hurry back with a much improved world view.

Art Bell
SOURCE (http://archive.coasttocoastam.com/gen/page859.html?theme=light)

Jeff Rense Responds:
March 13, 2005

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>>Just so there is no confusion about my position, let me please state for the record, I DO NOT believe that President Bush ordered or authorized the 911 attack as was posted on the Rense site 9-17-04, (Thomas Buyea) this was only one of many such articles found on that site.

The professional position of Rense.com is that all viewpoints are valid and deserve consideration. We do not know WHO in this government knew about the 911 attacks or WHEN they knew it. What we DO know is that never in American history have so many intelligent, often brilliant citizens engaged in a more penetrating, astonishingly devoted investigation of a clearly-manipulated 'Reichstag' event such as 911. And their results are MORE than sufficient to bring a trainload of charges against people within and without the highest levels of the US government. There are tens of thousands of pages of data pointing to direct knowledge, complicity, foreknowledge and treasonous conspiracy to convince ANY honestly open-minded American that there are the gravest indictations of Government involvement in the tragedy of September 11.

>>Yes, we do have a free press and it is constitutional to write such trash.

If investigating the first WTC bombing coverup and direct FBI greenlight of the use of real explosives when the Bureau had the chance to stop their use; the vile murders at Ruby Ridge; the government butchery of scores of men, women and children at Waco; the blatant coverups of the (911 warm-up) Murrah Building/OKC Bombing (including total Federal Crime Scene evidence disposal before ANY proper investigation); the outrageous shoot down of TWA 800 and the FBI/FAA suppression of evidence and the testimony of over 700 eyewitnesses; and the AVALANCHE of obfuscation, lies, 'coincidences' and hundreds of other key aspects and pieces of incontrovertible evidence of September 11....if all of that and much more is "trash"...America might as well be dead and buried.

>>It is also my right to say that I think those who are making such charges are repulsive, and publishing such articles is yellow journalism.

Promoting deadly frauds such as the Hale-Bopp 'companion' hoax in the mass media which resulted in nearly 40 deaths has been called 'yellow journalism' - or far worse - by too many to count. If investigating crimes of government officials, Congressmen, Senators, big business moguls, treasonous politicians, corrupt courts, and international swindlers is 'yellow journalism', America is now truly a fascist dictatorship.

>>The Rense site has been attacking me for several years and I have never fired back because frankly what they have chosen to say about me is not important,

Nice try...old tricks. Sorry, no cigar. As is abundantly clear in our disclaimer, the astonishing range of views and opinions on rense.com do not necessarily reflect those of this website, its sponsors or anyone else associated with Rense.com.

>>however what they charge about President Bush and America is damaging to all of us.

Holding the US government and its Globalist/Neocon Zionist/NWO masters ACCOUNTABLE and placing them under the full scrutiny of the media, the law and our CONSTITUTION is the most UN-damaging activity that any honest American citizen patriot could ever engage in.

Speaking of 'damaging'...For those who still think the US government military/industrial/intelligence complex would never dream of harming Americans:

Who blew up the 'Maine'? Who has tested, for decades, - with often fatal results - scores of biopathogens against countless, unknowing US men, women and children? Who put our troops and public in death's way of radioactive fallout in the 50's and 60's above-ground nuclear testing? Who created 'Operation Northwoods' which proposed killing American airline passengers among many other treasonous acts? Who failed to warn and encouraged the attack on Pearl Harbor? Who killed JFK, RFK, JFK, Jr, Sen Carnahan, Sen Wellstone and countless others who 'got in the way'? What about those 50+ dead microbiologists? Who created/caused GWI which has killed/disabled over 500,000 US troops and their family members? Who used/is using nuclear weapons in Yugoslavia, Afghanistan and Iraq which have killed/disabled tens of thousands of US troops...and will kill far more than that number with the 'D'U now sown...not to mention the millions of other innocents now dead or dying? Who lied repeatedly about HIV/AIDS? Who has lied/lies repeatedly about mad cow prion disease in our food supply - which is now crawling throughout our environment? Who approved countless deadly pharmaceutical drugs, including deadly toxins like aspartame, and sat by and watched Americans die? And so forth.

>>Much as I think we must always be alert to what our Government does, I also feel we must be alert to BS when we see it.

er...Amen!

>>If there were any proof that our President ordered the murder of our citizens,

'Proof' of George W. Bush ordering the 911 attacks? The President could not even stop reading goat stories to schoolchildren in the face of a direct attack on America, let alone plan and 'order' something as sophisticated as 911.

>>we would be in the middle of impeachment hearings or worse.

With a Congress full of rubber chicken dupes, frauds and phonies, the chances of a legitimate impeachment are less than zero. One need not look any farther than the Clinton impeachment debacle to grasp the reality of 'impeachment.'

>>Make no mistake, that IS what we are talking about here. It is not possible to be just a little pregnant on this issue. I will not be part of the "Blame America First Crowd."

It is also not possible to be 'just a little treasonous.'

Rense.com is proud to support Mr. Bell's right to choose which 'crowd' he pledges his allegience to. However, it is also worth mentioning there is an extraordinary responsibility as a custodian of the public trust regarding the information fed to listeners...to do so fairly and at least quasi even-handedly.

As for other radio programs having 'opposition' guests on the air to appear to be 'fair', let the record be perfectly clear that more than a few guests of the Jeff Rense Program have come back to report how they were intimidated and warned in advance of their appearance on another program regarding what they could and could NOT talk about during their airtime. In other words, they were censored.

Rense.com is proud of the diversity of news and information and has an unshakable faith in the good sense of its readers to appreciate the flow of information it presents as a stream of the most diverse and important information, viewpoints, commentaries, news and information for the world's best news agencies, services and independent journalists and analysts perhaps ever assembled on one net site.

Lightweight attempts at brushing off the most serious and crucial subjects of our times shall not stand in the minds and hearts of honest citizens and true American patriots.

turiya :cool:

TimeLab

26th May 2014, 07:42

from Timelab:

My questions still stand:
Where is any presence of him anywhere else or a picture more recent than 20 years anywhere?
Who is his network?
Who are the advertisers?
Why no callers?
Why so many prominent guests on the same lecture circuit ignored?
Why such a short list of high repeat guests for over 15 years now, some primarily only on Rense over and over and over.....?
Pick a few interviews from the first 10 years and count the times the word Zionist was said with haughty disgust over and over and over...
He's got an extremely repetitive and narrow pattern going now for a very, very long time behind very, very closed doors.

Your refusal to take the sum of the parts of the whole point I've made into consideration does not add up to a trustworthy recommendation of Rense.
Response from Turiya:

Listen "friend", I am not Jeff Rense.
It seems you have an itch that you want someone else to scratch for you.
I am not that individual, either.
You feel you got burned. Well, sometimes it happens. Live with it. Learn from it.
I sense you want to blame it on somebody else. That ain't me neither.
To tell you the truth, I could care less about the problem that you have with Jeff Rense.
Its your problem, not mine.

Peace goes with you - try to connect with that (i.e. the peace that is within you).
Cheers
turiya :cool:

If condescending, self-serving assumptions, and way overboard defensive posts to prove 1 point wrong while ignoring the rest then telling people to 'try' to connect are an example of your idea of peace, I do not relate. I stated an issue wrong in my 2nd post and you picked that one to scratch raw, but have not succeeded in obfuscating my original post suggesting people take a hard look at the very, very closed world and unanswered questions surrounding Mr. Rense suggesting an unspoken agenda.

I apologize for the way I phrased the 911 thing, I didn't mean to mislead. Something stuck in my memory in those terms as to why I quit subscribing. If we could look at all the guests during the immediate years around 9-11 during which I subscribed for 4 or 5, I remember quitting over both being tired of the word Zionist and the whining tone and the big difference between his info and tone about 911 compared to all the other interviewers and it seemed to have to do with the very short list of repeat guests who were all Jewish ....all added up to a lot of red flags for me. I'm amazed that the exact same very narrow high repeat guest list appears to have never stopped ever since!

I look at this forum and and others as a place to share observations, concerns and red flags as puzzle pieces since there is so much disinfo, agenda and infiltrators these days in the alternative community. I was offering puzzle pieces from direct experience. Period. I care only about exposing the truth, I have no ego about whether my opinion is right or not. Turiya, your responses have been the most defensively lengthy and in denial of being disingenuous I've encountered on any forum. The 'cheers', 'peace' and 'cool' after your blaring green buttons, huge pics, huge headlines and huge names in your huge articles and way overboard diatribes against one mistake does not soften the loud, pushy tone.

Re your 'list' of assumptions instead of any specific responses to my very specified list of greater points than the 911 issue:

- No "friend" (?), none of it was personally attacking you or did I imply anywhere that I wanted you to 'scratch my itch'.
- No, not one sentence of mine can be interpreted as directed at you as if you were Jeff Rense or represented him.
- No, I don't feel burned at all, I had a valuable learning experience and a great education in Jewish interviewers and guests with agendas.
- ?? I'm blaming.....?? s o m e... o n e.... t h i n g....??? I don't get where I blamed anywhere.
- I don't have a problem. I was sharing observations and the truth of his network, advertisers, short high-repeat Jewish guest list for many years, the whining tone and ad nauseum repeat of the word Zionist (for sure when I was subscribing), the mystery of who he really is.... will stand on it's own.

I would know I was being controlling, dominating or turning up my nose at people by saying 'subject closed' or 'don't be shy', what I think their 'thing' must be, or accusing people of "only creating a conflict", twisting words to suit my agenda, or telling long established forums they would be 'wiser' if they turned off their thank you buttons.... .

Re Rense, my having stated one point wrong does not diminish the validity of the other points and what they all add up to if viewed summarily and they are observations on the table, period.

turiya

26th May 2014, 18:10

Thank you, TimeLab, for letting me know that you have seen the recent post.

... the big difference between his [Rense] info and tone about 911 compared to all the other interviewers

Well, I think that "big difference" is made quite clear with the Art Bell vs Jeff Rense (http://jandeane81.com/threads/2924-Jeff-Rense-Downloads?p=24229&viewfull=1#post24229) debacle that I posted above. The research on this, btw, took a few hours. It could have been accomplished by you yourself, if you really cared about knowing the truth.

I remember quitting over both being tired of the word Zionist... and it seemed to have to do with the very short list of repeat guests who were all Jewish

Well, it seems that you, like so many, are confused about the difference between Judaism & Zionism. So many are indeed confused & take the two terms to mean the same thing. There are some Christians that are Zionists, there are also Muslims & Jews that are Zionists. And many do not even know that they are. Take Joe Biden for example: He claims to be a Catholic Christian, but he knows he is a Zionist.

http://youtu.be/6cnXeoJYa_Q

It appears that this Zionist/Jewish gray-matter area has been purposely put into place. For example, criticizing the Jewish State of Israel, and the MSM will ponce on the situation & will call it antisemitism.

Take Veteran White House correspondent Helen Thomas as an example.

http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Uploads/Graphics/129/06/129-0608093316-helen_thomas.jpg
White House Journalist Helen Thomas Quits After Antisemitic Outburst (http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/veteran-white-house-reporter-quits-after-anti-semitic-outburst-1.294801)

The MSM went ballistic on her when she used the inappropriate terminology, the antisemitic labeling forced her to retire early. She simply used the wrong terminology with her statement: "Jews should get the hell out of Palestine." (http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/veteran-white-house-reporter-quits-after-anti-semitic-outburst-1.294801) Of course, being a journalist - a kind of word/language professional/expert - she should have known what it means to be "politically correct" on such an issue as this. "The Zionist State of Israel should get out of Palestine," would have been a better way to word her statement.

Obviously, one may have to step out of the paradigm that they have been brought up in, conditioned by, in order to come clean of what one has been programmed into seeing & believing, to re-assimilate newer information & get a better understanding, and a better vision as to what makes up the greater reality. I have found that the Islamic Eschatological scholar, Imran Hosein, offers one the best insights into understanding this Zionist/Jewish gray-matter area. Perhaps, take some time and watch the following video:

The International Monetary System & Future of money

http://youtu.be/I8JhmQ73Vq8

Published on Feb 23, 2013

British and American policy makers began to plan the post war international monetary system in the early 1940s. The objective was to create an order that combined the benefits of an integrated and relatively liberal international system with the freedom for governments to pursue domestic policies aimed at promoting full employment and social wellbeing.[11] The principal architects of the new system, John Maynard Keynes and Harry Dexter White, created a plan which was endorsed by the 42 countries attending the 1944 Bretton Woods conference, formally known as the United Nations Monetary and Financial Conference. The plan involved nations agreeing to a system of fixed but adjustable exchange rates where the currencies were pegged against the dollar, with the dollar itself convertible into gold. And so we were told. But, is that the whole truth? Listen to the Sheikh as he explains.

turiya :cool:

turiya

29th May 2014, 19:12

Jeff Rense: 5/27/2014 (http://rense.com/)

HOUR 1 - Dr Richard Alan Miller - GeoEngineering And Desiccating Micro Polymers

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TOPIC(S): Mega Sprayers - Fibers - Nano Technology - Polymers Fibers - Morgellons Cause(?) - Spraying Chemtrails Earlier - Bacteria Produces the Whiteness of Clouds - Medical Hospitals
Are Now Finding It - The Air is Full of Filaments - Illness Cause by Body Being Dehydrated by these Fibers - Several Different Programs Are Being Interfaced & Overlapping - Bio APIs - CMV Nanobots - "Its Almost Like Our Planet Got Invaded by Somebody" - Multiple Hepa Filters (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HEPA) - New York City College - "Its Actually An Artificial Life Form" - Film Called "Monsters (http://youtu.be/njeofv4dr9Q)" - Alot of Information With This One

Jeff Rense: 5/27/2014 (http://rense.com/)

HOUR 2 - Dr Richard Alan Miller - GeoEngineering And Desiccating Micro Polymers

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TOPIC(S): Kristen Meghan Clip (http://youtu.be/jHm0XhtDyZA) - Geoengineering Whistleblower - Lucy Trailer (http://youtu.be/MVt32qoyhi0) - Your Tax Dollars Are Funding This - Seems Like Some Kind of Alien Technology - Structured Water - Hydration May Be the Key to Curing All Diseases - Yomoto - The Structuring of Intentionality

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Published on Jan 27, 2014

Kristen Meghan, Ex-Military, former Air Force Sr. Industrial Hygienist/Environmental Specialist. Her job was Air Force Specialty Code (AFSC) was 4BOX1, Bio-environmental Engineer.

Kristen gave a ground breaking presentation of what she had discovered about Geoengineering / Chemtrails while serving her Country. This BRAVE young lady has put her livelihood / life on the line for us.

- This presentation was produced, filmed and edited by John F. King: https://www.youtube.com/user/johnfking00 (https://www.youtube.com/user/johnfking00)
- David Keith Discussing *Weather Modification* on Colbert Report ~ Dec. 2013: http://tv.naturalnews.com/v.asp?v=22F...] (http://tv.naturalnews.com/v.asp?v=22F8364773AFEF6D82A907DBF1526D3E)
- THE FATE OF AN ENGINEERED PLANET: David W Keith and Andy Parker, Scientific American, Jan2013, Vol. 308, p34-36: http://keith.seas.harvard.edu/papers/... (http://keith.seas.harvard.edu/papers/161.Keith.Parker.EngineeredPlanet.e.pdf)
- Geoengineering Watch http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/ex... (http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/ex-military-bio-environmental-engineer-kristen-meghan-blows-whistle-on-air-force-chemtrails/)
- GeoEngineering and the Global Assault -- A Round Table Discussion with Dane Wigington, George Barnes and Dr. Doug Levine: http://radio.consciouslifenews.com/ge... (http://radio.consciouslifenews.com/geoengineering-and-the-global-assault-a-round-table-discussion-with-dane-wigington-george-barnes-and-dr-doug-levine/)
- Kristen Meghan YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/IamKrist... (https://www.youtube.com/user/IamKristenMeghan)
- Kristen Meghan Facebook Account:[B][I] https://www.facebook.com/Sugarfreesanity
- Kristen Meghan Twitter Account: https://twitter.com/KristenMeghan

Email: KristenMeghan@gmail.com

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