PDA

View Full Version : The lies we tell our children



Tribe
16th April 2014, 10:30
I was sat here talking to my son who is 9 years old , when he was very little we did the whole Father Christmas thing , then when he was 6 he asked me to honestly tell him the truth , was it all a lie , I told him the truth and he was so impressed that we had made all his wishes come true at Christmas and said that it was better that it was us and not some creepy man .

Anyway, we are sat here talking about the Easter bunny ,and he said why do adults lie to all the children , I thought wow it starts so young this corporate lies and manipulation . I have a very honest relationship with my son , I always answer his questions honestly sometimes I think I've gone to far but I don't know what do you all do , think about your children if you could go back in time would you change it ? As grandparents do you wish your children wouldn't oil the cogs of the machine by insisting on the lies ?
Or do you think it is harmless imagination ?





Oh my answer to his question was I think it's to kick start the whole manipulation machine to make you into happy consumers, hmm I can sound very pessimistic at times but it was the truth in my eyes !

777
16th April 2014, 13:15
This is always a contentious one where kids are involved. Anyone who has been a parent or who is one has their own tack, the real gems are those who have never had children yet still seem to find themselves qualified to give advice to parents!

I take an organic tack with mine as they are both sooooo different. My eldest (14) is currently deeply involved in perpetuating the father christmas lie along with me and my other half. Last Christmas we JUST about got away with it for our youngest (8) but I know this is the year it will break lol!

When they are ready, they are ready and you know.

As for spiritualism, lies perpetuated on the news, ufo's, paranormal topics etc.....I let them have it full pelt under the banner that "this is what I believe to be correct and these are the reasons why, but YOU must decide what your version of the truth is".

I find they approach me with those again, when they are ready.

PurpleLama
16th April 2014, 15:21
Ah, but what of the finest of lines that can exist betwixt imagination and so called reality? A little esoterics can go a very long way when speaking with younguns.

777
16th April 2014, 15:24
Ah, but what of the finest of lines that can exist betwixt imagination and so called reality? A little esoterics can go a very long way when speaking with younguns.


The inner child in all of us comprehends easier with one foot in each land me thinks. The birth of the "myth".

Calz
16th April 2014, 15:52
Christmas etc was easy ... no problemo.

What is challenging on a nearly daily basis for me (and I expect most all parents participating on an "awake and aware" type of forum is how much "truth" about our "reality" we have learned to pass along???

How old???

How much???

How long to protect and let "children be children" and keep a simple joy of life???

When to let them have a choice to learn quickly what it took most of us so very many years to learn???

Perhaps they already "know" and are here to teach us???


http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/fc/43/37/fc4337993fd297ca5077bb9226dfb312.jpg

Tribe
16th April 2014, 16:20
We have a very awake and aware soul in our son , he has taught me more in his little life than most ! ;) xx

Nothing wrong with his imagination either he still plays and uses his imagination more than most his age ! ;) I see some kids grow up far to quickly it saddens me :(

Calz
16th April 2014, 16:43
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXxcMw5PTDg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdKu5T9zM6I

norman
16th April 2014, 17:41
Yea, Christmas is one of my pet peeves. We initiate children into a world where True is a lie and lie is true, right from the get go.

It's a kind of mental mutilation that's got something in common with other flesh mutilations done to new children.

lookbeyond
16th April 2014, 23:11
This is always a contentious one where kids are involved. Anyone who has been a parent or who is one has their own tack, the real gems are those who have never had children yet still seem to find themselves qualified to give advice to parents!

I take an organic tack with mine as they are both sooooo different. My eldest (14) is currently deeply involved in perpetuating the father christmas lie along with me and my other half. Last Christmas we JUST about got away with it for our youngest (8) but I know this is the year it will break lol!

When they are ready, they are ready and you know.

As for spiritualism, lies perpetuated on the news, ufo's, paranormal topics etc.....I let them have it full pelt under the banner that "this is what I believe to be correct and these are the reasons why, but YOU must decide what your version of the truth is".

I find they approach me with those again, when they are ready.

Sounds like we are on the same wavelength 777!

Seikou-Kishi
17th April 2014, 00:52
I've got a huge order of delicious things ready for the kids in my family and when I was writing out all the labels, I wrote "Easter Bunny be damned, these are from me!" lol. An 8-year-old in the family declared the easter bunny to be "a shallow attempt on Christianity's part to absorb a pagan myth". Pride is not the word for what I felt :D

And yes, I did say he was 8 lol.

Around this time, kids in my family will blow and paint eggs as presents for our elders. My grandmother still has an ostrich egg I painted for her years ago decorated with birds perched on blossom-covered branches.

Peafowl eggs are the usual "canvas" for this sort of thing, as we have a ready supply of them and they're somewhat larger than a chicken's egg. Another activity, of which I have very fond memories, is sewing seeds around this time and assuming "special responsibility" for nurturing their growth. We'd all choose a plant, usually a fruit-bearing plant, and plant it around this time to harvest the fruit in autumn. Because of the way Easter as the Catholic holiday usually falls somewhere between the vernal equinox and Beltaine, it puts Halloween half a year away and pumpkins planted in Easter are perfect for carving. (Spiced pumpkin melomel is a great seasonal drink for Samhain too, if you're looking for something to do with the insides of all those pumpkins you'll be carving.)

It's also often festive to bake a loaf of bread (ideally made with apples and/or apple juice as symbols of fertility) in the shape of a person or animal and burn this on a celebratory bonfire (bonfires are great at this time of year, too) and then to add the ashes from the fire to the compost in which the seeds will be sown in recognition that the fertility of one year depends upon the fertility of previous years. We stand upon the dust of our ancestors, after all, and though the other half of the year is the time traditionally used for remembering those ancestors, this time of year is a fitting time to remember that we spring from those ancestors, that our present springs from our past.

If you're looking for a festive treat that isn't the same old commercialised chocolate crap that saturates the place at this time of year, I offer the following as a way of making a tasty treat at home: take a handful of mint leaves (whichever varieties you have) and lightly coat in beaten egg. Then, lay out the leaves individually and sprinkle on sugar. You might be able to use xylitol for this, as it crystallises well too, but I tend to use table sugar. For a little extra flavour, before you begin sprinkling your egg-coated mint leaves with sugar, add a drop of a mint essential oil (spearmint, peppermint, etc.) to the sugar and mix well. You can also add other oils that work well with the taste of mint, including lemon, lime, aniseed or star anise. A favourite combination of mine is to add one drop of peppermint (or one or two drops of spearmint), two drops of star anise (or aniseed) and three drops of lime to a large bowl of sugar. Mix these well into the sugar before crystallising the mint leaves and they'll have a powerful and highly appealing taste. Not only that, they'll cure any digestive discomfort caused by overindulgence and so make great treats for the kids. Once you've sprinkled the sugar onto the mint leaves, leave them at least six hours to crystalise (overnight is best).

Chickadee
17th April 2014, 02:08
Let children be children. Let them believe in magic- for they make and see
So much themselves. Who are we to take invisible friends away... And then tell them
Santa is real.
It's all messed up.
But, if they want to hold onto that- we should let them.
When they are ready to know- they ask..

And then- tell them the truth..

Although, I know a lot of kids who "say"
They believe so they can reap the benefits. Really? Who can blame them?

Children are
Smarter than given credit for..

Stupid adults

modwiz
17th April 2014, 02:14
Although, I know a lot of kids who "say"
They believe so they can reap the benefits. Really? Who can blame them?

Another thing they are learning. Keep quiet if it hurts the bottom line. Not sure how useful that 'education' is.

Chickadee
17th April 2014, 02:15
True enough, Modwiz..

My eldest just wants to participate in trying to make
For a fun scavenger hunt for her sisters..

I was tucking my youngest in the
Other night for bed, and I said," do you know who comes to visit soon?"

Ugh- I couldn't say it though--- I said, "Jesus Christ"

I got a,"who"?

Uh yea--- it's all really brutal. The whole throw rocks at Christ thing, torturing him, crucifying him..
And rising from the dead...
Not to mention the glorious "Passover "... I don't think people really know what Passover came from.
I answered with a "uh- never mind"

Blahh

Seikou-Kishi
17th April 2014, 02:19
A child who has never been told that Santa is real never has to be told that he isn't. If unpicking stitches damages the cloth, better not to sew unneeded stitches in the first place.

Chickadee
17th April 2014, 02:27
A child who has never been told that Santa is real never has to be told that he isn't. If unpicking stitches damages the cloth, better not to sew unneeded stitches in the first place.

And in saying that- I'm proud to say that I've never told my children that he is real..

I've always asked them,"what do you think?"

We ask our children that a lot with questions asked.