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Vitalux
4th March 2014, 16:34
I watched this video and found it most interesting, and thought provoking.

Thought I would share with others.

The video describes in part how spiritually nature works as a kind of teacher, and our life is a kind of classroom in which we gently learn
and experience the love of truth.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9u0jlBCte-c



:group hug:

BabaRa
4th March 2014, 20:28
I watched this video and found it most interesting, and thought provoking.

Thought I would share with others.

The video describes in part how spiritually nature works as a kind of teacher, and our life is a kind of classroom in which we gently learn
and experience the love of truth.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9u0jlBCte-c

:group hug:


Thanks Vitalux. Manly Palmer Hall was one of my first teachers, so this was a wonderful reminder for me. Back in the early 60's I was browsing in a used bookstore - (and I know this has happened to many others), - a book literally fell off the shelf at my feet. It was Hall's book "Self Unfoldment". Intrigued by the title, I bought it; and hence my spiritual path had begun.

For those who don't have the time to listen to this lengthy video, I encourage you to begin at the halfway mark. Lots of good information and reminders here.

Recently, humanity has accepted that Gaia is a living organism that has a consciousness. But do we remember that is true of everything around us. Every rock, tree, pen, glass and yes, even our computers (which sometimes scare some, at the thought). The ancients gave them names Zoar, Zeus, etc., and we think of that as mythology, but is it?

I often ponder: If we would treat them again as the entities that they are, would our relationship would our environment improve. Those who work closely with plants and animals have often recognized that. But do we forget - even this keyboard I push and the chair I sit on - also has a consciousness.

Hall also speaks of doing what's best for the whole, rather than a selfish attitude, and how we attract a being that stays with us for life when we put truth and others first.

How are bodies are countries that we govern over - how are we doing with that?

Good stuff here - and for me, he always ends on a positive and inspiring note.

Seikou-Kishi
4th March 2014, 20:49
Mythology isn't just the inane ramblings of superstitious and primitive people. For those who know where to look, and how, there is a lot of information in mythology. Many of the details around Thor, for instance, talk of earth physics, while the origin and life Asclepius contain knowledge of alchemy.

To those who have no idea, they are just stories. People tend to assume that humans have always been as literal and unimaginative as they are now, though there is much to suggest we have become less, not more, in the progression of millennia.

Highland1
4th March 2014, 21:28
I must admit the concept that everything has a degree of consciousness resonates with me and has done for some time.
I'm sure most of us have thanked our food, talked to plants and maybe considered that even our vehicles connect to us at some level or another.
Ultimately, it would be wonderful to simply communicate with all things in complete harmony but is that even possible?
Maybe that is the way things really are at source but as separate beings we are surely alone and seemingly separated from this oneness and connection to all?
Perhaps the notion that we volunteered to have this life experience was part of that, and to be separated from a one consciousness into individual beings with freewill is simply part of gods plan?
Perhaps we only stop reincarnation when a soul achieves the spiritual ability to connect to one and all by pure unified consciousness?
On the complete flip side, maybe there has never been this "source" and as unique spiritual beings, we are simply trying to create it as we evolve as a species.
Either way, I would love to know before going round this carousel of life all over again.

Russ

BabaRa
4th March 2014, 23:31
Either way, I would love to know before going round this carousel of life all over again.
Russ


I have come to believe that reincarnating is also a choice. You can choose not to come back. The conumdrum is: We have been 'programmed' to believe 2 things.

1) that we have to come back to work off Karma
2) that we have to come back to learn

There is also the problem of our addiction to materialism. Some come back to become: A successful businessman, or successful actor, or artist (you fill in the blank).

ronin
4th March 2014, 23:42
just listening to the part on speaking truth!
it does raise a question.
many people do not like truth in fact they will condemn you for it.
on coming home tonight i thought of the words speak no evil see no evil hear no evil.
and straight away i thought bull****!
a example would be.

someone works hard to provide for their family.
someone steals something.
are you not suppose to say anything?
if you do say something you are seen as not someone who speaks truth but as a grass!
you have done nothing wrong but the majority of people dislike it!
and they condemn you even more than the thief?.

but on the other hand speaking and living truth is empowering,liberating and dare i say enlightening?
we are taught to speak lies as we follow corrupt governments and everyone is out for their self.

but maybe truth is a love to teach a lesson.
maybe we all have to experience it even though many won,t understand it!
so for someone who speaks the truth it can be hard as well because it can create a lot of enemies?
as the saying goes no one can face the truth!

ronin
4th March 2014, 23:57
I have come to believe that reincarnating is also a choice. You can choose not to come back. The conumdrum is: We have been 'programmed' to believe 2 things.

1) that we have to come back to work off Karma
2) that we have to come back to learn

There is also the problem of our addiction to materialism. Some come back to become: A successful businessman, or successful actor, or artist (you fill in the blank).

we come back to experience the things we have not experienced in former lives.
whether it be materialism,a emotion or a learning curve.
i think i have mentioned it before...you wanna be rich..be so...the next time you will be poor!

maybe you will experience everything for source in your own personal way until you find that enlightenment within one self and can live in your world without fear or worry and Gaia will provide for you as you become attuned to her.

i truly believe that their are people on this planet now who have reached that level and live among st us but on another level.
two dimensions only slightly apart from the power of perception,knowing and enlightenment.

it,s just a matter of attuning yourself to that frequency.

by speaking truth and living it is one of the first steps.

just finished listening to it.glad i wrote this before i had.just more conformation for me

Highland1
5th March 2014, 00:01
You can choose not to come back. The conumdrum is: We have been 'programmed' to believe 2 things.

1) that we have to come back to work off Karma
2) that we have to come back to learn


Personally Babs, I have no recollection of having any previous lives before this one.
Its just that this eventful life, has............ felt like many lives.
Perhaps I have a keen interest in true history and a creative imagination but beyond that I think I would have picked up on any "erasure" in my case.
Of course, I am not saying reincarnation does not exist for others but in my case it would be escapism rather than reality.
The fact that I have previously claimed to have seen visionary things from the past, does not confirm that I have actually been there, at least not in a physical body anyway.

Russ

ronin
5th March 2014, 00:19
QUOTE=Highland1;15466]Personally Babs, I have no recollection of having any previous lives before this one.
Its just that this eventful life, has............ felt like many lives.
Perhaps I have a keen interest in true history and a creative imagination but beyond that I think I would have picked up on any "erasure" in my case.
Of course, I am not saying reincarnation does not exist for others but in my case it would be escapism rather than reality.
The fact that I have previously claimed to have seen visionary things from the past, does not confirm that I have actually been there, at least not in a physical body anyway.

highland1 you seem to contradict your self their .
how else would you experience past lifes?
either through visions,dreams trances.obe,s ect.
our physical body is here and now our consciousness is everywhere whether in dreams,locked memory,s,intuition of things.
it is unlocking the consciousness part of us that will help us remember.
but on the other hand you could be a new soul.:eyebrows:

Highland1
5th March 2014, 00:28
Thank you Ronin,

I will reflect on that as imagination can be a wonderful thing!

Russ :thup:

ronin
5th March 2014, 00:32
Thank you Ronin,

I will reflect on that as imagination can be a wonderful thing!

Russ :thup:
then there is imagination and true experience!
knowing things ahead of time,synchronicity,deja vue,intuition.

what do all these tell you?

is it the imagination or are they signposts that your on the right track?

each of these are personal to you.

by being true to yourself the more you will experience.

but like i said being true can also be a scary prospect as it will test you.

ronin
5th March 2014, 01:15
i do also think that someday on your timeline your gonna say enough is enough.
i have lived this life in all it,s aspects and different outcomes.

now i want to live true and free.

by that i do not mean that we pass over and live in god,s kingdom.
but that we can live it here on earth as it is what it was created for.

for all the conspiratorial theories of alien abductions or our dna tampered with for us to be a slave race.

we have one thing going for us.

that is our soul.

that divine spark that all the entities want to diminish.

was it said that the angels where jealous of man because he had that divine spark?
that they hated man?

who needs angel when you have a direct line to source?
only problem is he has been busy for the most of my part:p

Vitalux
5th March 2014, 12:07
Thanks Vitalux. Manly Palmer Hall was one of my first teachers, so this was a wonderful reminder for me.

I often ponder: If we would treat them again as the entities that they are, would our relationship would our environment improve. Those who work closely with plants and animals have often recognized that. But do we forget - even this keyboard I push and the chair I sit on - also has a consciousness.

Hall also speaks of doing what's best for the whole, rather than a selfish attitude, and how we attract a being that stays with us for life when we put truth and others first.

How are bodies are countries that we govern over - how are we doing with that?



Thank you, as well as others for the feedback.

The thoughts which appear in my mind are that all events occurring in the world are working exactly the way they were created to do so.
Like, an actor/actress caught up in a movie, we might pose the question, "who am I?" :confused:, however who we are, and where we are appear to just be a fiction.

Most feedback from others tends to paint the afterlife (heaven) as a place containing matter and a materialistic environment.
For those that have experienced detachment of the consciousness from the physical body, matter is something we loath to return to.

My current thoughts is we are in a classroom, of our own free will.

:group hug:

Calabash
5th March 2014, 12:54
I will watch this vid tonight - thanks for posting Vitalux.


Mythology isn't just the inane ramblings of superstitious and primitive people. .

I visited such a place while OOB many years ago and it was as real as real could be. I was living in Cape Town and hadn't seen my family for about three years and was feeling homesick. Having had a few "local" OOBs I decided that I would visit them astrally, so when I felt the familiar stirrings I gave myself a mental boost (warp speed :) to cover the 3,000 miles I thought I would be travelling (silly me :). As it was, I travelled much further than that, although I have no idea whether it was to another dimension or a plane.

I would love to know more about dimensions and planes but the internet doesn't easily give up the information that I'm looking for. Any pointers in the right direction would be much appreciated.

BabaRa
5th March 2014, 17:37
I would love to know more about dimensions and planes but the internet doesn't easily give up the information that I'm looking for. Any pointers in the right direction would be much appreciated.


I think we're probably all in the same boat there, Calabash. Those that say they know are often new-age charletans OR well meaning people, who have an idea, a thought of what it might all mean.

I have only had 3 OBE. Neither time was I trying to have them. All 3 times I was given information. My feeling was it was orchestrated by someone else. (But who? my higher self; ET's angels, my soul group, or me and I was just thinking it was someone else) . I've never spend anytime trying to figure out the who - and the why seemed obvious - to give me, in one case show me something I needed to know.

No answers here, but some of my ponderings:

What is OB. . . we don't really have bodies, do we? We just 'think' we have bodies. Like everything else, we're just energetic beings - lots of proton/electrons swirling around at fantastic speeds.

So, there is nothing to get "out of". But what makes me think I have a body. My consciousness - or Divine Consciousness - or 3D consciousness - Some ET group that wants us in this consciousness for whatever reason?

I have had brief moments (as probably many of you have) of letting this 3D place get fuzzy. Twice to the point where it all disappeared. Both times I was with someone else. First time, I quickly panicked. Where did everything go? Second time (20 yrs later - much more evolved) I stayed with it for probably 5-10 minutes. Had the realization that there is nothing but consciousness - 2 minds communicating. But after that time period of nothingness, I began to search for what should have been there and it all appeared.

What does any of that mean? Neither case no drugs, etc involved. Each time it was the fear of nothingness that brought everything back.

My suspicion (totally unfounded) is that we are creating everything and then it becomes real to the point that we buy into it. We begin to love or hate the scenario - our attachment to it keeps it going. That's what all this non-attachment mystics keep telling us is about.

While some see non-attachment as moving away from society, most still have their attachments, they're just different attachments than the normally accepted ones. Their tobacco or music or crystals or herbs, some special clothing that's different from mainstream.

But what we're not detaching from is our belief systems, which are what are anchoring us here.

Am I delusional with these ponderings? Maybe.:spinning:

I suspect the harder we try to get out of here, the more concrete we make here.

Vitalux
5th March 2014, 21:03
I think we're probably all in the same boat there, Calabash.

Am I delusional with these ponderings? Maybe.:spinning:



Perhaps ..... delusional ponderings that is "one truth" that keeps us cohesively consensus human-beings.

:group hug:

Vitalux
6th March 2014, 14:21
I will watch this vid tonight - thanks for posting Vitalux.



I visited such a place while OOB many years ago and it was as real as real could be. I was living in Cape Town and hadn't seen my family for about three years and was feeling homesick. Having had a few "local" OOBs I decided that I would visit them astrally, so when I felt the familiar stirrings I gave myself a mental boost (warp speed :) to cover the 3,000 miles I thought I would be travelling (silly me :). As it was, I travelled much further than that, although I have no idea whether it was to another dimension or a plane.

I would love to know more about dimensions and planes but the internet doesn't easily give up the information that I'm looking for. Any pointers in the right direction would be much appreciated.

Thank you for your feedback and desire to know more about increased consciousness.


I would enjoy discussing with you more about this subject, only I tend to be quite handicapped because in order to tell you the truth, it would be a violation of the rules as handed down from the Founder of TOT himself Malc.


Sorry Vitalux Discussions that involve drugs and other intoxicating substances, pornography (including nude art) are not allowed. (http://jandeane81.com/threads/1613-Picture-of-the-day-thread?p=8290&viewfull=1#post8290)


When Malc decided to make that decision, which in my opinion was prejudice, only served to demonstrate a lack of foresight and only insured the continued capability to remain completely narrow minded.


I wish to pay particular credence to the standpoint of "discussion on drugs and other intoxicating substances".

Could you imagine walking into a pharmacy and wishing to engage conversation with the pharmacists about a particular "drug" which your doctor had prescribed only be be faced with the discussion was not allowed due to a "rule" that discussion was not permitted.


I have employed "drugs" as tools in order to expand and explore awareness.
However, as I have pointed out, for me to discuss it would be a violation of the founders rules and I would be only subjecting my efforts of trying to convey the information to censorship.


Here in Canada for example the shamanistic employment of the natural drug peyote is quite legal.

Known for its psychoactive properties when ingested, peyote is used worldwide as an entheogen and supplement to various transcendence practices, including meditation, psychonautics, and psychedelic psychotherapy. Peyote has a long history of ritualistic and medicinal use by indigenous Americans. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peyote)


I post this statement here, only to serve as aid to demonstrate to this forum how when one chooses to make narrow minded rules based on ignorance, it only serves to inhibit growth rather than to help truth flourish.

Truth cuts through fear.
Fear in my mind, is simply ego in denial of truth.

Much love


:group hug:

Mars Planitia
6th March 2014, 14:59
Looks like a good read. Just downloaded the PDF. The Consolation of Philosophy By Anicius Manlius Severinus Boethius.

http://www.exclassics.com/consol/consol.pdf

ronin
7th March 2014, 00:41
Thank you for your feedback and desire to know more about increased consciousness.


I would enjoy discussing with you more about this subject, only I tend to be quite handicapped because in order to tell you the truth, it would be a violation of the rules as handed down from the Founder of TOT himself Malc.

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When Malc decided to make that decision, which in my opinion was prejudice, only served to demonstrate a lack of foresight and only insured the continued capability to remain completely narrow minded.


I wish to pay particular credence to the standpoint of "discussion on drugs and other intoxicating substances".

Could you imagine walking into a pharmacy and wishing to engage conversation with the pharmacists about a particular "drug" which your doctor had prescribed only be be faced with the discussion was not allowed due to a "rule" that discussion was not permitted.


I have employed "drugs" as tools in order to expand and explore awareness.
However, as I have pointed out, for me to discuss it would be a violation of the founders rules and I would be only subjecting my efforts of trying to convey the information to censorship.


Here in Canada for example the shamanistic employment of the natural drug peyote is quite legal.

[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peyote"]Known for its psychoactive properties when ingested, peyote is used worldwide as an entheogen and supplement to various transcendence practices, including meditation, psychonautics, and psychedelic psychotherapy. Peyote has a long history of ritualistic and medicinal use by indigenous Americans. (http://jandeane81.com/threads/1613-Picture-of-the-day-thread?p=8290&viewfull=1#post8290)


I post this statement here, only to serve as aid to demonstrate to this forum how when one chooses to make narrow minded rules based on ignorance, it only serves to inhibit growth rather than to help truth flourish.

Truth cuts through fear.
Fear in my mind, is simply ego in denial of truth.

Much love


:group hug:

there are that know and those that do not.
there are those that have tried and those that have not.
there are many that are that are prejudice even though they know not.

1.i detest censorship.
why?it is a control mechanism for what ever reason!

2.drugs or should i say natural substances have been used for thousands of years in every continent .
every culture has a relationship with gaia and she will break through to you when you are ready.
ancient seerers and famous prophets used their tools to foresee the future or enter another state of consciousness.

the native Americans call upon their ancestors using such tools.

every ancient people have their connection to other realms using what nature offers.

only we have lost that connection or it has been forced to be a offence to connect to the astral realms.

they do not want our minds open,thats a fact.
there are certain natural tools that help develop your awareness with nature and a global consciousness.

hey you know what i am trying to say.........

no censorship.
no control.
enjoy it.

there is a reason why many people who have not taken any tool to enhance their mind are not spiritual.
why?because they have not started to break down the ego or connect.

777
7th March 2014, 09:30
Manly P Hall was a 33rd degree freemason according to some. An insider with a human soul.

Shall we......

:back to topic:

The One
7th March 2014, 10:49
I would enjoy discussing with you more about this subject, only I tend to be quite handicapped because in order to tell you the truth, it would be a violation of the rules as handed down from the Founder of TOT himself Malc.

Then you have the option to PM the member and take discussion up that way Vitalux.I have to think of the wider community and not all want to know about drugs the effects they had on you.


When Malc decided to make that decision, which in my opinion was prejudice, only served to demonstrate a lack of foresight and only insured the continued capability to remain completely narrow minded.

Completely disagree with your statement and i dont think we are going to ever agree on this Vitalux.There are certain topics that are best communicated through other channels.There is enough material on here for all to enjoy


Could you imagine walking into a pharmacy and wishing to engage conversation with the pharmacists about a particular "drug" which your doctor had prescribed only be be faced with the discussion was not allowed due to a "rule" that discussion was not permitted.

I think your discussion here would be very very different from the one you are mentioning about going into a pharmacisits.I assume you dont want to talk about paracetamol.I have asked before please pm one of the mods your concerns.They may even suggest you setting up a community group and then you can invite certain members who want to join that group.

Most who know me find that i am more than fair.

:back to topic:

Vitalux
8th March 2014, 18:48
:chrs:Well Malc

I respect your right to both the way you run your forum, and your opinion on all matters.
Everyone has the right to their opinion.

Speaking from my heart, on my own "love of truth"
I post observations as well as my opinions because it is my hope to further make the world a better place for us human's to live. :group hug:

I try and speak for those that can not. Those that are too afraid to speak, for fear of reprisal.

Who shall stand then against those who make a mockery of the words " Truth", when your love of censorship relates more to your own narcissistic dance with ego.

Perhaps I truly don't belong here in this forum.

For I am coming to the opinion that I have come to a forum of sheep, with a wolf that guides them.


Best wishes

Vitalux

Seikou-Kishi
8th March 2014, 19:20
Speaking from my heart, on my own "love of truth"
I post observations as well as my opinions because it is my hope to further make the world a better place for us human's to live. :group hug:

I don't think anybody here doubts this, Vitalux :-)

Highland1
8th March 2014, 19:28
Perhaps I truly don't belong here in this forum.

For I am coming to the opinion that I have come to a forum of sheep, with a wolf that guides them.

Vitalux

Vitalux,

I think your attitude and total disrespect respect for others, (which purely based on your own egotistical idealism) suggests to me that you are absolutely correct.

That is, you TRULY do not belong in this forum.

Goodbye.

Russ

Seikou-Kishi
8th March 2014, 19:47
Yeah, it's probably a little far if the thanks button is still the issue. (If it's not, I have no idea what is the issue, lol)

777
8th March 2014, 19:50
:chrs:Well Malc

I respect your right to both the way you run your forum, and your opinion on all matters.
Everyone has the right to their opinion.

Speaking from my heart, on my own "love of truth"
I post observations as well as my opinions because it is my hope to further make the world a better place for us human's to live. :group hug:

I try and speak for those that can not. Those that are too afraid to speak, for fear of reprisal.

Who shall stand then against those who make a mockery of the words " Truth", when your love of censorship relates more to your own narcissistic dance with ego.

Perhaps I truly don't belong here in this forum.

For I am coming to the opinion that I have come to a forum of sheep, with a wolf that guides them.


Best wishes

Vitalux

I'm sure you mean well as I trust Seikou's judgement. However, all I have seen from you so far are negative assumptions on the characters of people you have never met and barely interacted with let alone taken the time to bother to get to know. And yet feel yourself qualified to judge and cast aspersions on their character based upon the fact they respect Malcs' wishes.

I would suggest you set up your own forum where you can entertain yourself with your superior version of truth, away from the gaze of sheep and those less enlightened than yourself.

All the best to you too.

Ben

ronin
8th March 2014, 20:00
there where times when people spoke truth.
no matter who it upset they said their piece.

now we all know what happened to the witches and wizards,seerers and prophets.
they held a little knowledge to whatever they knew and how they came by such knowledge.

well they got burnt,hunted down and driven out.
whole civilizations died because they would not convert to what they where told to believe.

from the pauper to the rich man,women and children all died because they believed in what they knew!

what became of them.

the Gnostic teachings that we all want to learn now.

please do not send a person underground for their expression of believe.

we all know where that got us.

but if you really want a stoning......


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsVAYFSEBrA

ronin
8th March 2014, 20:30
how often do we hear of fear porn.
everyday.
it is instilled in us as soon as we turn on the television,read the newspapers ect.

we can see images of war and it,s affects,we learn from the backdoors of the true intent of war and it,s devastation.
palatinate,iraq,Afghanistan now the Ukraine well it goes on....and on.

but as soon as someone mentions a tool to open your mind and wants to share their experience.
it becomes a big no no.....?

or if someone wants to be rude then let them be rude it will only affect you if you let it!

do you think i say to the demons i endure excuse me.
no i say get the **** out of my way.i am going home.

well i wish it was that easy!

we have been censored enough and told not to speak.
the books of Alexandria where destroyed or now in the Vatican.

each of us will find our own truth without these assets and we must help each other to find it.
no matter if the subject is something that you do not agree with or if it is rude...

grow that thick skin because not everything is love and light and lets move on.

makes me wonder how the native Americans saw their predictions for their people and what was to come.
also why their people listened to the elders.
also why where natural tools banned worldwide???????

Highland1
8th March 2014, 21:35
Hey guys and Vitalux,

I guess I reacted very harshly and I apologise for my knee jerk reaction.

I responded not out of whether this forum censors truth or not, but simply to support Malc who provides us with this wonderful platform to communicate with each other at considerable expense and time to himself.

Also the suggestion he is a wolf leading sheep was the tipping point. Grrr!

So yes, maybe I have a bit of growing up to do and respect that others can defend themselves too.

However, the truth is, I speak my mind too and feel the emotion "anger" is an essential part of our human psyche as long as "temper" is not the way of conveying it.

I will bite my lip next time. :cry:

deep breath.....and relax,

Russ

ronin
8th March 2014, 21:38
does that mean the stoning is called off?

Highland1
8th March 2014, 21:46
does that mean the stoning is called off?

Nah ronin, tis my turn mate.....:smiley hug:

451

Russ

ronin
8th March 2014, 21:54
Nah ronin, tis my turn mate.....:smiley hug:

451

Russ
fortunately or unfortunately my body will not allowed me to get stoned by the green machine.
which is i think a loss as it does expand the mind.
but maybe sooner or later your body says hey that is enough,now it,s time to find your own truth.

Highland1
8th March 2014, 22:01
fortunately or unfortunately my body will not allowed me to get stoned by the green machine.
which is i think a loss as it does expand the mind.
but maybe sooner or later your body says hey that is enough,now it,s time to find your own truth.

If if ever find my own truth Ronin,

I would want share it here, just in case it is nuggetry....:h5:

Russ

The One
9th March 2014, 19:22
:chrs:Well Malc

I respect your right to both the way you run your forum, and your opinion on all matters.
Everyone has the right to their opinion.

Speaking from my heart, on my own "love of truth"
I post observations as well as my opinions because it is my hope to further make the world a better place for us human's to live. :group hug:

I try and speak for those that can not. Those that are too afraid to speak, for fear of reprisal.

Who shall stand then against those who make a mockery of the words " Truth", when your love of censorship relates more to your own narcissistic dance with ego.

Perhaps I truly don't belong here in this forum.

For I am coming to the opinion that I have come to a forum of sheep, with a wolf that guides them.


Best wishes

Vitalux

Thank you for your reply

I still don't get why members still want to question the rules of the forum.The forum rules are on view for all not just members but guest as well.Why members once they have signed up then want to question the rules to me does not make sense.The only reason this would be if they had tried to post something that was not allowed.

At the end of the day we all do not like to be censored but unfortunately that's life.I go watching rugby every week and if i do not abide by the rules of the stadium i will be ejected that's why i abide by the rules

I hope this as cleared your concern up and also to all guests before sign up please view the forum rules

Many thanks

Malc