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Sooz

1st March 2014, 03:09

Special Alert by Ben Fulford:

http://benjaminfulford.typepad.com/benjaminfulford/

http://www.drudgereport.com/

http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/1.577037

norman

1st March 2014, 03:32

I've just got back from my local pub where I had a decent chat with an ex special forces guy I know.

He said this. There are 50 dead russians in that Crimea airport already, they just don't know it yet.

He said, our sas have been all over Ukrain since this stuff started, they'll kill every one of them.

Ok, I thought, I'll keep an eye on this, I hadn't thought of that...... yikes, this might be bigger than I thought it was.

Sooz

1st March 2014, 03:49

Could there be a link here?

Apparently this author, Grady Means, is former assistant to VP Nelson Rockefeller -

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/oct/25/us-economy-on-schedule-to-crash-march-2014/?page=all

Sooz

1st March 2014, 07:44

Interesting, but use your own discernment:

http://financearmageddon.blogspot.com.au/2014/02/ben-fulford-february-25-2014-war-in.html

KosmicKat

1st March 2014, 12:47

I find it interesting that the mainstream news quotes Barack Obama warning Putin "not to interfere" in the Ukraine. The common assumption being that Russian troops would intervene to assert soviet communist principles again. But what if he was saying "don't try to oppose the forces that the U.S. and U.K. have sent to try to stabilize western interests in the area"?

jimmer

1st March 2014, 12:59

I don't think this is beginning of the 'end times.'
there are those who during times of instability
jump on the 'end-of-the-world' screed.
what I do think -- due to the strength vacuum created
by obama and his supporting countries, putin's russia
is on the move. warships to be stationed all over the world.
some, 90 miles off the coast of the US.
developing...

BabaRa

1st March 2014, 19:53

Complicated, yet . . simple. Two major issues involved: 1) Security 2) petro dollar/oil

Petro dollar scheme was set up in the 70’s (US and Saudi Arabia) whereby if any country wanted to buy oil they had to first purchase US $$ to buy it.

*Because of US irresponsible monetary policies, US is most toxic currency in the world, therefore countries no longer want to buy what used to be valuable currency

*24 of the world’s largest economies have set up currency swaps amongst themselves passing the US $$ – which makes US monetary ponzi scheme more difficult to keep going. (most likely reason for recent bankers suicided – they had too much info)

*At the same time, Saudi’s oil appears to be drying up, so they can’t produce what they use to

*Russia (the largest oil producer in the world) makes deal to sell oil to China (at a discount, which then has China by passing the petro dollar). Russia then buys oil from Iran (who is having trouble selling their oil) and then sells it to Europe, again by passing petro $$.

*Turkey is buying oil from Iran now, using gold as currency. Again, petro $$ by passed.

*Guess what country Russia’s oil pipeline to Europe goes through? Ukraine .. .If Russia loses Ukraine pipeline to Europe it will lose 25% of it’s GDP

*Interesting timing: Protestors create havoc in Russia just before Olympic Games, so Russia is focused on making Sochi safe. Meanwhile, things begin to break down in Ukraine. While Russian military/police are focused elsewhere. hmm, nothing suspicious there!

So hopefully we all understand why US wants Ukraine to go with EU – it’s all about petro dollars and keeping the Ponzi scheme going

As for Russian security:

*Ukraine borders Black Sea where Russia has a major seaport and naval base. If NATO had access to Black Sea it would be detrimental to Russian security.

*US already has huge missile defense systems surrounding Russia (in Turkey and Poland) allegedly in case of war with Iran. – and Putin has already made public remarks about those systems being aimed at Russia.

* Russia’s own topography leaves it vulnerable in the West and depends on the Carpathian Mountains in W. Ukraine as a natural defense.

According to several geopolitical experts: No Way is Russia going to give up Ukraine. If they lose Ukraine, they lose much needed security AND 25% of GDP.

Some of my sources: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-FKaqxA1e0 Beginning around the 1:50:00 mark and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG7PUa8oz8M 5 min video

Wolf Khan

1st March 2014, 22:32

It is actually a move against the federal reserve board, you should all know that, nothing is what it seems.

Sooz

2nd March 2014, 00:26

Very astute boil-down there BabaRa.

Sooz

2nd March 2014, 02:55

This update, just in:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-01/ukraines-acting-president-puts-all-armed-forces-full-combat-alert

BabaRa

2nd March 2014, 04:54

It is actually a move against the federal reserve board, you should all know that, nothing is what it seems.

I'm not clear who you're saying is making the move against the Federal Reserve. If you're saying it's Russia, I would agree, because Russia has been trying to cripple the petro dollar, which is tied into the Federal Reserve and tptb who have controlled much of the world through the Federal Reserve, World Bank and IMF.

Sooz

2nd March 2014, 05:14

Interesting, but use your own discernment:

http://financearmageddon.blogspot.com.au/2014/02/ben-fulford-february-25-2014-war-in.html

Interesting that Fulford alludes to March 4 collapse (as per the previous post re Grady Means), at 4.15 mark.

BF also says certain things were agreed at the G20 here in Australia recently, i.e., confiscating money.

As usual, we wait and see...

Seikou-Kishi

2nd March 2014, 05:25

Interesting that Fulford alludes to March 4 collapse (as per the previous post re Grady Means), at 4.15 mark.

BF also says certain things were agreed at the G20 here in Australia recently, i.e., confiscating money.

As usual, we wait and see...

Personally, I can't wait until Fulford releases his second book. Apparently Ben Fulford and the Chamber of Secrets is going to contain some real gold :-p

Altaira

2nd March 2014, 07:57

Yes 3.2 magnitude and there is doubt it is man made mmm... :scrhd:

http://quakes.globalincidentmap.com/

Altaira

2nd March 2014, 07:58

Yes 3.2 magnitude and there is doubt it is man made mmm... :scrhd:

http://quakes.globalincidentmap.com/

mods can you delete this please

Sooz

2nd March 2014, 08:38

I just heard from a friend of mine, that an earthquake has occurred in Crimea....(Harp?)

I don't know, haven't checked it out yet, just passing on the info.....

Sooz

2nd March 2014, 09:05

Here is info of the earthquake in Crimea...

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=301072

BabaRa

2nd March 2014, 18:38

Can confirm there was an earthquake. One site reports it as a 4.1; another site reports it as a 3.2. Interesting enough, as of this moment, it is not reported at all on the USGS earthquake site.

This according to: http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=301072 Have no idea as to their accuracy.
A significant earthquake has struck the Crimean peninsula in the Ukraine within the last hour and Russian military sources are claiming it was a deliberate attack by the United States using it's HAARP Array in Alaska, in retaliation for Russia placing troops into the Ukraine.

According to sources on the scene, Russian military surveillance detected INTENSE bursts of electromagnetic long-waves prior to the earthquake. They say the bursts were specifically timed and repetitive in nature, which caused a resonance in the ground, triggering the earthquake.

They claim this was a deliberate attack by the United States and are using frightening language to describe it. One spokesman said bluntly "The earthquake in Crimea was caused by the use of a weapon of mass destruction by the United States against the Russian Army."

RTNews has reported last night that Russian law makers have approved that Putin can send in troops if he deems it necessary. So far, Putin as refrained from that move. Instead he has requested that NATO keep out all extremist groups which are now pouring into the country.

A young newsman on the streets of Kiev said many foreign mercenaries are on the streets. He mentioned American, Polish and German mercenaries.

Within the last few days Russia has received over 150,000 requests for asylum from Ukrainians.

It seems the country is now on a very slippery slope, hopefully won't go the way of Syria, but does not look good at this point.

Seikou-Kishi

2nd March 2014, 18:52

modwiz

2nd March 2014, 18:56

Russian military sources are claiming it was a deliberate attack by the United States using it's HAARP Array in Alaska, in retaliation for Russia placing troops into the Ukraine.

According to sources on the scene, Russian military surveillance detected INTENSE bursts of electromagnetic long-waves prior to the earthquake. They say the bursts were specifically timed and repetitive in nature, which caused a resonance in the ground, triggering the earthquake.

I take this report, as I'm sure most do, with the proverbial grain of salt. I do not doubt the very real possibility of HAARP being used. I have doubts about this kind of language being used in news releases. Such language is apocalyptic with regards to the cover being blown off of this technology being real and not a theory of conspiracy. I have not seen mention of this yet at my regular sources of breaking world news.

This story breaking out would have very real perceptual effects. Fukishima would be reconsidered and some dots would start connecting. I hope my doubt is just a bad habit.:ha:

modwiz

2nd March 2014, 19:06

Gratias ago, BabaRa.

So I'm curious for everybody's opinion. Is this solely a revenge attack by the WGP (Western Government Paedonet) for Russia's defence of Syria, or is there something more/else going on?

I think there is more going on. The PTB seem to have gone into panic mode. The clumsiness of their moves, at a time of greater global awareness of PTB tactics, indicates a very real desperation. They will be tripping on their schwantzes every step they take. They are clearly dangerous and flailing. So, although the situations you mention above might have been driving factors, new events on the ground are producing unseen scenarios for a panicked criminal mind.

We live in interesting times. Something huge is unfolding all at once.

modwiz

2nd March 2014, 19:11

Then we have things like this. One of more to come I suspect.

Ukrainian Navy flagship takes Russia’s side – report

Ukraine’s Navy flagship, the Hetman Sahaidachny frigate, has reportedly refused to follow orders from Kiev, and come over to Russia’s side and is returning home after taking part in NATO operation in the Gulf of Aden flying the Russian naval flag.

There has been conflicting information on where exactly the vessel is, but a Russian senator has confirmed to Izvestia daily that the frigate defected to the Russian side.

“Ukraine’s Navy flagship the Hetman Sahaidachny has come over to our side today. It has hung out the St Andrew’s flag,” Senator Igor Morozov, a member of the committee on the international affairs, told Izvestia daily.
http://rt.com/news/ukraine-navy-flaghsip-protest-389/

modwiz

2nd March 2014, 19:20

Now some troops are leaving Kiev's control. Oops!

Ukrainian troops dispatched in Crimea switch to region’s side – sources

Ukrainian armed forces dispatched to Crimea have switched to the side of local authorities and are expected to take military oath soon, Russian news agencies report.

“Today the majority of the Ukrainian armed forces deployed in Crimea passed to the side of the authorities of the Crimean autonomous region. The transition was absolutely peaceful, without a single shot fired either by the military or by the forces of self-defense,” an unnamed source told RIA Novosti news agency.
http://rt.com/news/ukraine-military-russia-resign-437/

BabaRa

2nd March 2014, 19:34

Gratias ago, BabaRa.

So I'm curious for everybody's opinion. Is this solely a revenge attack by the WGP (Western Government Paedonet) for Russia's defence of Syria, or is there something more/else going on?

Read my post #7 for details.

For the US:
The Ponzi Scheme of the US dollar is at stake. I suspect we need Russia's pipeline thru the Unkraine to be non-functional, so that the European countries now purchasing oil from Russia will be forced to use the petro dollar. Meaning first countries have to buy US dollars before they can purchase oil. Plus the Central Bank can enforce their policies on another country, which will temporarily produce another market.

For Russia: It's defense (refer to post #7) and security as well as money. The oil piped to Europe by Russia thru Ukraine makes up 25% of their GDP./

For tptb: Who have no alliance with any country or race - who knows? Perhaps they need war to keep us from waking up - and to supply them with the negative energy that they need to survive.

Highland1

2nd March 2014, 21:42

Lest we forget......

403

No mention on mainstream media of the latest 6.9 magnitude earthquake currently in Japan with a potential tsunami threat either....

As all eyes are on Ukraine perhaps we should be looking the opposite direction?

Russ

modwiz

2nd March 2014, 22:00

Seikou-Kishi

2nd March 2014, 22:09

Altaira

2nd March 2014, 22:22

modwiz

2nd March 2014, 23:29

Is Ukraine of vital importance to the USA? You betcha! Here is what the Sec of Treasury of broke-ass USA had to say:

He added that the White House is prepared to provide the new officials in Kiev with as much financial support they need to fix their crisis-hit economy.

“The United States is prepared to work with its bilateral and multilateral partners to provide as much support as Ukraine needs to restore financial stability and return to economic growth, if the new government implements the necessary reforms,” said the Treasury Secretary.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/03/02/352977/us-monitoring-ukraine-with-grace-concern/

Yes. Reforms where all of the money coming into the country goes only to gangsters and not citizens.

If people wake up in the middle of this scam, it will be a real knockout punch for the PTB (parasites that be). That would be great for everyone.

norman

2nd March 2014, 23:42

Sooz

2nd March 2014, 23:50

Anyone heard anything about this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKwALbyoYBE&feature=youtu.be

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKwALbyoYBE&feature=youtu.be

modwiz

2nd March 2014, 23:53

Here's an odd angle from left field:

http://k007.kiwi6.com/hotlink/spxl9j8eon/Odessa.mp3

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5538262/ShowNotesArchive/2014/03/NA-596-2014-03-02/Assets/NA-596-Art-SM.jpg

http://megaodessa.com/template/images/odessa-ukraine-map2.jpg

The river Dnieper never jumped out at me quite like that. Makes things rather tidy. Might have to lose Odessa, unless the population don't play that.

What a fooking schieste-show.

BabaRa

3rd March 2014, 00:11

I can see an angle here that makes some sense to me in a way not too difficult to convey.

Distraction. I could not figure out why this left hand was doing this. I see something now.

Just before this news broke, things were getting increasingly optimistic, from my view of things. One could feel it building and connecting. Resurrecting the the ghost of the cold war and nuclear exchanges interrupts the freedom party that was breaking out....if we fall for the distraction. The stage is set, the West vs. Pooters (Putin). There is a villain and a hero for whatever your world view allows. Some want Pooters to be humbled, others want the West and especially USA to get a black eye. We are given circus without any bread.

This situation certainly bears watching while we keep to the path of awakening enough to claim our sovereignty.

I am always encouraging as many as possible to keep on the path of awakening, no matter what is happening in the world. However, part of that path of awakening is understanding how we've been duped in the past. Not to create fear, but rather understanding.

I am a great proponent for looking behind the curtain instead of what is happening on the stage.

In this case, I suspicion that the time to look behind one of the curtains was during the Olympic Games. Putin and the world were kept distracted by the terrorists (?) that appeared to be a potential threat to the athletes and visitors to the game. US press was all over that. Then of course, the excitement of the games themselves. All eyes were on Sochi.

Meanwhile, behind the curtain at that time, the pot was being stirred in the Ukraine by agents provocateur and mercenaries were put in place. Putin had been completely distracted, some might say duped.

There are a few other curtains here that we need to keep looking behind. The banking world. I won't reiterate all the facts. But the Fed Reserve is sweating it as shown by their henchmen J.P Morgan recent activities.

The other is what's happening around the Vatican and the British Crown. When PBS airs a 1-1/2 hour program on what's going on in the Vatican - at the same time Kevin Annet has the law suit coming up against them in Brussels (March 30) I believe - things are closing in on a lot of fronts.

It's getting harder and harder for tptb to keep all the balls up in the air. They appear to be getting desperate, but remember, desperate people tend to do desperate things.

No time for us to get cocky - as Modwiz says we need to keep moving forward - but, while paying attention to those balls ourselves.

Altaira

3rd March 2014, 08:14

Anyone heard anything about this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKwALbyoYBE&feature=youtu.be

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKwALbyoYBE&feature=youtu.be

I think this guy looks completely equipped to support what he is talking about. He looks like he is prepared to protect or at least to sound more convincing looking at the rifle behind him. This looks like provocation he tries to create certain tensions among people he just cant wait something to happen so he can prove he is right. Look at his yourtube profile
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Highland1

3rd March 2014, 09:42

There are a few other curtains here that we need to keep looking behind. The banking world. I won't reiterate all the facts. But the Fed Reserve is sweating it as shown by their henchmen J.P Morgan recent activities.

Meanwhile.... Yuan China’s Currency Suddenly Reverses Direction, Stuns World Markets

Read more: China: Yuan Currency Suddenly Drops, Stuns World Markets | TIME.com http://business.time.com/2014/02/27/chinas-currency-suddenly-reverses-direction-stuns-world-markets/#ixzz2utXlzScX

I do believe I read an article quite recently ( forgot the source) suggesting the Chinese are about to start a new world currency..........?

Now that China are largely in agreement with Russia, one wonders whether this is just another game of financial global market chess?

( http://news.sky.com/story/1219922/russia-and-china-in-agreement-over-ukraine )

Russ

Sooz

3rd March 2014, 10:34

Well I am waiting to see what happens March 4 (tomorrow my time).......

... or probably March 5 in my neck of the woods in Oz.That would be March 4 USA time.

Something has got to give, the balloon has got to burst at some stage.

I just wish we could get it over with and start getting on with things anew.

norman

3rd March 2014, 10:43

The data points may add up to a coordinated plan including currency wars and, as Lindsey Williams said, currency revaluation worldwide.

The moves in Ukraine may just have been to provoke Putin into a position where they can apply deliberate economic leverage to make great changes to the world's currencies very fast, without too much criticism.

I smell a rat in the way the new temporary governors in Ukraine so quickly switched from booting out the pro Russian president with a lot of pro European rhetoric, to "inviting" Russia to move in to maintain law and order. What's wrong with this picture?

Calz

3rd March 2014, 11:28

Fascinating interview with Dr. Paul Craig Roberts sheds some light on his take of what is perhaps behind one of the curtains ... ethnic backgrounds of the area and a historical backdrop from the nation state level. He offers "proof" of a usa staged coup via a phone call.

Now ... going another level or two deeper ... whether or not it is simply incompetence or part of planned initiation for world war by the illooney naughties who knows?

Albert Pike suggested that would take place in the mideast but desperation knows no limits.

Regardless, well worth a listen for anyone interested in this topic (about 30 minutes ... scroll down linked page to MP3 link on left).

http://www.kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/Broadcast/Entries/2014/3/1_Dr._Paul_Craig_Roberts.html

norman

3rd March 2014, 12:01

http://www.kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/Broadcast/Entries/2014/3/1_Dr._Paul_Craig_Roberts.html

That makes much more sense of my confused thoughts

Only trouble IS.....

I'm hearing a hell of a lot media gospel about economic repercussions, and the stock markets are going crazy as they open around the world. Craig Roberts's view is great at one level, but I'm still thinking the highest crooks are playing the whole thing ( with their fancy computer modelling ).

Who's really behind the 'right wing thugs'?

norman

3rd March 2014, 14:37

Webster Tarpley get's, as always, dramatic, but he has a view that's got it's nuggets in it.........

http://tarpley.net/world-crisis-radio/

modwiz

3rd March 2014, 18:55

Webster Tarpley get's, as always, dramatic, but he has a view that's got it's nuggets in it.........

http://tarpley.net/world-crisis-radio/

I listened to the whole broadcast. At one hour and ten minutes, I feel the story is well covered in the first 45 minutes, with the remaining 25 minutes devoted to finer detail and reiteration. A must listen for getting the names and backgrounds of the actors in this play if this show is of interest. One will come away much better informed.

BabaRa

3rd March 2014, 19:57

Fascinating interview with Dr. Paul Craig Roberts sheds some light on his take of what is perhaps behind one of the curtains ...
well worth a listen for anyone interested in this topic (about 30 minutes ... scroll down linked page to MP3 link on left).

http://www.kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/Broadcast/Entries/2014/3/1_Dr._Paul_Craig_Roberts.html

norman
Webster Tarpley get's, as always, dramatic, but he has a view that's got it's nuggets in it.........http://tarpley.net/world-crisis-radio/

The above 2 interviews contain some good information and perspectives.

From my perspective they seem to agree pretty much on these points:

*Right wing conservatives (mostly Washington, using EU thugs) are to blame

*Putin is the good guy in this case

* Putin will try diplomacy, but if we push, he will not back down

* Once again, Washington has painted itself into a corner (per C.Roberts in interview above with it's stupid, illogical, ideologies and has lost control) and it will be hard to save face,

* West can not beat Russia on the ground. (Sadly, We all know what the other options are)

I will be curious to see if you all heard the same as me.

modwiz

3rd March 2014, 20:14

The above 2 interviews contain some good information and perspectives.

From my perspective they seem to agree pretty much on these points:

*Right wing conservatives (mostly Washington, using EU thugs) are to blame

*Putin is the good guy in this case

* Putin will try diplomacy, but if we push, he will not back down

* Once again, Washington has painted itself into a corner (per C.Roberts in interview above with it's stupid, illogical, ideologies and has lost control) and it will be hard to save face,

* West can not beat Russia on the ground. (Sadly, We all know what the other options are)

I will be curious to see if you all heard the same as me.

Yes, I heard that summary.

Pooters has a grip on reality that the plotters of this coup do not possess. He knows they believe their own hype about him being a KGB thug. Based on their poor assessment of the man, they are laying a trap with bait that the bear is not going for. Their plans need him to take the bait, they also need the world to fall for the cover story being excreted by the MSM. When the USA or UK speak of international opprobrium towards Russia they speak for themselves and a few other clownish states. The world at large is tired of Anglo-American shenanigans, lies and bullying. The international community has been quite restrained in commenting on the Ukraine crisis. China, as befits its status, has sided with Russia.

There are possible good endings to this story but, as nothing more than opinion and supposition at this point, I'll just keep words to a minimum and watch.

Calz

3rd March 2014, 20:36

*Right wing conservatives (mostly Washington, using EU thugs) are to blame

...

I will be curious to see if you all heard the same as me.

Roberts seems to suggest usa support was targeting moderates and things have gone horribly wrong.

... at least at the level Roberts is speaking to ...

Interesting he mentions all the lastest interventions (you all know the list) and how they have all become failed states crumbling into chaos (paraphrasing).

Things don't happen by accident.

Me thinks this is what has always been intended ... why should it be any different this time???

Is this any different than the Cuban missile crisis going back to the Kennedy days???

Let's cut off the Black Sea naval access and set up nuke missiles right on the border shall we???

Oh ... pffft ... there goes that nasty overbearing Russian bear launching an unprovoked and blatantly offensive thrust into ... ummm ... pretty much it's own territory filled with it's own people who don't seem too receptive to those (ill intended) western installed puppets who seem quite open in suggesting their goals are death to "Jews and Russians".

... genetically encoded for many years???

What a barbarian???

http://www.epiclol.com/cdn/pictures/2012/05/putin-on-the-ritz_1336461523_epiclolcom.png

modwiz

3rd March 2014, 20:58

I am happy to observe that the title question of this thread has proven incorrect in its timing. Good fortune will keep it so into the future.:thup:

modwiz

3rd March 2014, 21:14

The US and six other major industrialized countries have denounced what they referred to as Russia’s military buildup in Ukraine’s Crimea.

The denunciation came in a statement on Sunday by the seven countries of Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Britain and the United States, which are together the partners of Russia in the Group of Eight (G8) industrialized countries.

Hmm, not many of the worlds' countries here in protest. Just the usual gaggle of goose droppings.:fpalm:
Here, we have a rogues gallery.:vom:

What does the 'G' in G-7 mean? Got no money?:ha: These guys need to take a vacation at Brokeass Mountain.:rolleyes:

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/03/03/353000/7-countries-slam-russia-over-crimea/

norman

3rd March 2014, 21:30

I sent my brother the "Two Cows" joke from the jokes thread the other day.

Today I sent him a couple of links to listen to of opinions about the situation in Ukraine.

I've just come home to find a rare reply from him.

It goes like this:

It seems to me that Ukraine has 2 COWS. The one on the left is being milked by the west, the one on the right is being milked by the east, leaving Ukrainians eating dry cornflakes

Seikou-Kishi

4th March 2014, 15:40

As for the stock market going crazy... It never goes crazy, it just narrows its utility exclusively to those who control it.

Calz

4th March 2014, 15:53

As for the stock market going crazy... It never goes crazy, it just narrows its utility exclusively to those who control it.

I tried to retire early and extend my futures (commodity) trading from a fun part time hobby into supporting my family. http://www.pic4ever.com/images/www_MyEmoticons_com__fishing.gif

Fear and Greed drive all markets and when you add leverage ... the big money absolutely eats small fries alive. :shocked:

(hence ... why I went back to work ... ) http://www.pic4ever.com/images/tnp.gif

Meanwhile ... seems the nitwits that be have come to the conclusion that destroying the planet and all it's inhabitants isn't such a good thing afterall???

http://www.pic4ever.com/images/4fvgdaq_th.gif

Instead of sheer terror and horror at the prospect of mutually assured destruction via nuclear war ...

... perhaps it is just me ...

... but this is becoming more laughable by the minute ...

[kudos to brother gio for reminding me of this one ...]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1FLZPFI3jc#t=76

Highland1

4th March 2014, 21:49

Amidst a recent report that a suspected Haarps inflicted earthquake hit Crimea the other day, now this.....:

Breaking:

IN RUSSIA: LARGEST OIL REFINERY IN EUROPE IS ON FIRE

March 4, 2014 - “Neftekamskneftehim” is the largest oil refinery in Europe. It is located in Tatarstan, Russia and today, at 7.00pm Moscow Time, dozens of firemen were urgently summoned as the oil giant started burning.

http://m.disclose.tv/news/In_Russia_Largest_Oil_Refinery_in_Europe_is_on_Fir e/100560#DTV

http://youtu.be/R6F_xNii4uU

Things are escalating very quickly and I doubt if this is an accident.

Russ

Calz

4th March 2014, 21:59

No idea except from what you posted ... but certainly those that have enjoyed ... ummm ... complete power for how many hundred of years (despite the 4d masters controlling they themselves) won't fade silently into the night ...

Some suggest there will soon be such that will, in fact, force that to happen ... but it ain't here yet.

norman

4th March 2014, 22:26

BBC Radio has just reported that Russia successfully tested an ICBM today. It hit it's target in Kazakhstan exactly as expected.

The dirty tricks being countered?

Calz

4th March 2014, 22:29

How many missile tests occur worldwide on a regular basis???

Yes the timing detracts from backing things down ... but all things considering "they" have done a good job.

modwiz

4th March 2014, 22:30

I am 9 minutes into this video. It is Pooters alone in a room with newspeople. There is a lot of information with the demeanor of the setting and proceedings, IMO. It is a rare opportunity to see a statesman at work. If the first 10 minutes are any indication of the rest, then this is Putin the diplomat and not the bare chested bear rider in a photoshopped picture. I cannot expect to see this interview in full at any MSM source. Unless they can find snippets to juxtapose against straw man arguments.:rolleyes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiKF8JN1qmk#t=522

Fred Steeves

4th March 2014, 22:42

Even though I'm following this closely as well, a little nagging thought keeps wiggling it's way in every now and then: "How about what the other hand is doing, while the world's attention is being purposely focused like a laser beam on this latest hot spot?" I wonder what might be going on in a place suddenly off the radar like Iran or Syria right this very minute...

Question: Does anyone else think this is yet another example of the West "throwing a rock at a resting hornet's nest", much like the so called "Arab Spring" and countless other elsewheres?

norman

4th March 2014, 22:48

Question: Does anyone else think this is yet another example of the West "throwing a rock at a resting hornet's nest", much like the so called "Arab Spring" and countless other elsewheres?

I'm getting a distinct feeling that Putin is being pushed to get him to make a mistake.

European leaders are very worried about what's going on because Russia can cripple Europe with the stroke of a pen or a phone call. The Obama regime is pushing all this. Who's pushing them?

BabaRa

4th March 2014, 22:52

Calz

4th March 2014, 22:54

When you have a nation state (or "the west") implementing the will of the corporations (read elite) and "they" have been meticulously scripting and plotting for decades ... then who knows what may be planned via plan b ... c ... etc???

The good news is that there seems to be something energetically in the "air" ... so let us keep hope.

... seems their "plan a" has gone into the crapper???

Fred Steeves

4th March 2014, 23:00

I'm getting a distinct feeling that Putin is being pushed to get him to make a mistake.

Ole ex KGB Putin doesn't strike me as a man prone to mistakes, thus not the wisest choice of people to feck with. Then again, nothing about this has anything to do with wisdom.

European leaders are very worried about what's going on because Russia can cripple Europe with the stroke of a pen or a phone call

That's where this blatant propaganda is going well beyond the absurd now, like the U.S. is going to punish Russia with sanctions? :fpalm: Yeah right, good luck with that one.

Calz

4th March 2014, 23:06

My own take is there is nothing going on except for the bankster plan to cause complete worldwide chaos and panic.

Throw in a world war ... economic collapse ... pandemic (induced of course) ... holographic blue beam space invasion and presto ... the clueless and crumbling masses will accept anything to stop the madness.

That's always been the plan.

Anyone miss the memo???

norman

4th March 2014, 23:13

The Elephant in the room, though, is the Syria standoff last October when Putin threatened them so seriously that they stood down.

This war of words against Putin is very probably supposed to make him a lot weaker in the eyes of the world when they next line up their ducks for a Syria - Iran - Saudi invasion. If he can no longer stand strong, they can finish the job in the middle east.

I think they really want him to invade Ukraine. If he did fall for it ( and he's currently talking himself right into the corner of having to if things take a turn for the worse there ) the Russian military will be hamstrung AND the general political Russian 'stock' will be rock bottom, just as they switch their attention back to Syria, where he stopped them in their tracks before.

http://www.blackseagrain.net/information/maps/++resource++agro.archetypes/bsgmigrate/blackseagrain.net/information/maps/foto/foto/black-sea-map-with-surrounding-countries-gif/image

Highland1

5th March 2014, 00:19

432

Russ

modwiz

5th March 2014, 00:45

432

Russ

I like this one. It made me laugh out loud. Simply delicious.

BabaRa

5th March 2014, 01:53

432

Russ

Modwiz: I like this one. It made me laugh out loud. Simply delicious.

Me too! almost choked on my wine!

I also enjoyed this video posted by Modwiz #54

Modwiz: I am 9 minutes into this video. It is Pooters alone in a room with newspeople. There is a lot of information with the demeanor of the setting and proceedings, IMO. It is a rare opportunity to see a statesman at work. If the first 10 minutes are any indication of the rest, then this is Putin the diplomat and not the bare chested bear rider in a photoshopped picture. I cannot expect to see this interview in full at any MSM source. Unless they can find snippets to juxtapose against straw man arguments.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiKF8JN1qmk

It was interesting on several levels. Putin is at same level as reporters, rather than standing above them.

When is the last time you've seen a US president talk without a monitor "telling" him what to say? Putin knows what's going on. US presidents rely on their advisors (handlers?) to bring them up to speed.

modwiz

5th March 2014, 02:10

Me too! almost choked on my wine!

I also enjoyed this video posted by Modwiz #54

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiKF8JN1qmk

It was interesting on several levels. Putin is at same level as reporters, rather than standing above them.

When is the last time you've seen a US president talk without a monitor "telling" him what to say? Putin knows what's going on. US presidents rely on their advisors (handlers?) to bring them up to speed.

Yes. That is what is was indicating with my commenting on the demeanor of the proceedings. I do not worry about this man doing something rash.

The last 10 minutes were very good, IMO. His comment about the Ukrainian Pres. and his "lack of will" to do what he was obligated to do as the leader of his country. Although the legal President, it was clear that Pooters considers him a weak POS.

I found the video rich in so many ways. Including the two iterations of Russian flags behind him. One did not have the admiralty gold fringe while the eagle emblazoned one did.

Highland1

5th March 2014, 11:41

438

Forgive my humour please mods......I just couldn't resist! :victorious:

Russ

norman

6th March 2014, 00:59

A huff and a puff, and we'll blow your house down.............

Ratcheting Up the New Cold War: US Sends F-15s to Poland

Poland, a former Soviet satellite state, is closely aligned with the United States

Kurt Nimmo
Infowars.com
March 5, 2014

http://www.infowars.com/ratcheting-up-the-new-cold-war-us-sends-f-15s-to-poland/

http://static.infowars.com/bindnfocom/2014/03/f15.jpg

norman

6th March 2014, 01:26

Also from Kurt Nimo:

In a leaked audio recording of a telephone call between Estonia�s Foreign Minister Urmas Paet and EU foreign affairs boss Catherine Ashton, Paet told his counterpart leaders of the Euromaidan movement that would ultimately overthrow the government of Viktor Yanukovych were likely behind sniper killing last month.

http://www.infowars.com/order-out-of-chaos-gladio-snipers-behind-killings-in-kyiv/

I'll even go as far as to suggest that the snipers were really western 'special forces'.

modwiz

6th March 2014, 01:44

norman

6th March 2014, 02:03

...... Poland is such a willing dupe for the West. They are on the wrong side of history, IMO....

We see and feel something alike here. It's been strikingly obvious that Poland has got a firework up it's ass somehow. It's been going on for years. Also, they have been deeply involved in the mind control/mind bending 'camps' where the 'drone' suicide bombers in the middle east and elsewhere have been programmed. I can't quite remember where I got this info from. I think a lot of it came from just joining the dots when a pile of data was released about CIA planes flying schedules a few years back, there were a massive number of 'black flights' into and out of Poland eventually admitted to, but no explanation for why.

Calz

6th March 2014, 02:13

Seikou-Kishi

6th March 2014, 04:43

Well now ... isn't *THIS* interesting???

What "invasion"? Russia has 16,000 military personnel in Crimea even though its 1999 agreement with Ukraine permits it to have up to 25,000‏

http://www.sott.net/article/275066-What-invasion-Russia-has-16000-military-personnel-in-Crimea-even-though-its-1999-agreement-with-Ukraine-permits-it-to-have-up-to-25000

Yes, and if the mere presence of troops constituted invasion, we'd be hard pushed to find a country the US hadn't invaded.

That race memory Modwiz spoke of has a chance to change now, if present experience will be allowed to overcome inbred suspicion.

Calz

6th March 2014, 07:56

This based on a newspaper in Spain (I have not vetted ... simply passing along).

I cannot post (or watch) the video right now. Take link.

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As tensions build, U.S. facing 'zero options' in Ukraine

By Laron

Stephen Cohen, professor emeritus of Russian studies at New York University in the US discusses the situation with the Ukraine below. (4 and a half minute video)

"I think we have seen the descent of a new Cold War divide... this time not in Berlin, but on Russia's borders..." - Stephen Cohen

Along with the below video, according to the "La Republica" newspaper in Spain, the Chinese government took three actions a day ago against the United States:

-China told the U.S. State Department that unless the U.S. changes its position on the situation in the Ukraine, China will demand repayment of U.S. debts in GOLD

-China allegedly came to an agreement with Turkey to prohibit NATO vessels from entering the Black Sea via Istanbul's Bosporus Strait

-China made clear it will use its Veto power in the UN Security Council to block any UN action against Russia.

http://www.transients.info/2014/03/as-tensions-build-us-facing-zero.html

Fred Steeves

6th March 2014, 12:10

438

Forgive my humour please mods......I just couldn't resist! :victorious:

Russ

Dear god Russ, now how am I going to wipe *that* visual from the memory banks? :shocked:

777

6th March 2014, 12:13

Dear god Russ, now how am I going to wipe *that* visual from the memory banks? :shocked:

Not sure.

I'm (t)werking on it Fred.

:confused:

Calz

6th March 2014, 18:43

I showed amazing restraint in a follow up to ... twerking ... (but appreciate the humor as I believe it is *most* important to have in these times).

Ron Paul ... what a guy ... legitimate president had not all the powers (scum) that be kept it from happening ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n58IwCNw--0#t=63

BabaRa

6th March 2014, 18:55

One of the dynamics that we are dealing with in Europe is the 'race' memory of populations who lived under Soviet Russia. At least two generations having their genetics and culture shaped by the oppressive Soviet Bear. This coding is like the coding of a chicken reacting to a hawk overhead. It is instinctual. It is a program that runs and creates their reality. That the Bear is no longer a grizzly and is now a black bear that requires prodding to get ornery, is not perceived. For them, a bear is a bear and it strikes fear into their marrow.

This is why Poland is such a willing dupe for the West. They are on the wrong side of history, IMO but, I can see out of their eyes and it very different from my own. They are just pawns as long as they stand for duty. Quite sad. In many ways they can't help themselves and their unfortunate history shapes them to their current fate.

Another angle that came to me.

Well said. . . . . And sadly, I believe that is also true to some extent in the US psyche. The communists were our enemy for many years and many haven't let go of that belief. Naturally, the US govt realizing this (for both us, Poland etc) is playing up that card fast and furiously.

Seikou-Kishi
Yes, and if the mere presence of troops constituted invasion, we'd be hard pushed to find a country the US hadn't invaded.

So true. . . But sadly, because the US population has been convinced 'we are the good guys' - different rules for us.

Seikou-Kishi
That race memory Modwiz spoke of has a chance to change now, if present experience will be allowed to overcome inbred suspicion.

I truly believe the Universe is prodding us in that direction. It is more difficult to stay asleep now. Of course tptb know this which is why they are ramping up their agenda (massive vaccinations, etc). I believe the Universe will win out - one way or the other. But when?

Calz

6th March 2014, 19:03

So true. . . But sadly, because the US population has been convinced 'we are the good guys' - different rules for us.

That thoughtform must end ... immediately.

If not here ... on this type of forum ... then where?

How much "hangover" from the myth of WW2 must linger???

What ... 70 years now???

Good guys???

:ha:

Highland1

6th March 2014, 20:32

So true. . . But sadly, because the US population has been convinced 'we are the good guys' - different rules for us.

Perhaps this might help those who are still in the dark.......

American Citizens Can and Should Be Doing About the Ukrainian Crisis

Nick Bernabe | The Anti-Media

There�s no easy way to put this, but the job American citizens have in the Ukrainian crisis is to get our government the hell out of the affairs of their country.

There is obviously an organic movement in Ukraine against the injustice of it�s government, then again there is an organic resistance to government in nearly every country because nobody likes government, we all know that. But, as is the case in most of the recent revolutions from Egypt to Syria, the US government and other international actors seek to open a power vacuum and then fill it with their own hand picked bureaucrats. This can�t end well for the common Ukrainian.

Whether we�re talking about Russian strong men asserting their big oil ambitions, or US backed central bankers being placed in the highest levels of the new government, the people of Ukraine will likely lose the voice they fought in the streets to gain. Ukraine is very influential in European trade, it�s the bread basket of the EU and the near East, contains the oil pipelines that feed Western Europe Russian gas and has a highly strategic port fortress that has been fought over for centuries; this is why Russian strong men and US imperialists seek to destabilize and control the area.

While the mainstream media has decided to ignore the facts, Russian spies had phones in the US embassy in Ukraine tapped and recorded a conversation between US Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and US ambassador to Ukraine revealing premeditated plans to destabilize the country and place their hand picked puppet, Arseniy Yatsenyuk, into power. Here is the recording that was leaked via YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QxZ8t3V_bk

What has become very clear in the recent years is that any country that seeks change via revolution will be attempted to be co-opted by the US or propped up by Russia or vice versa, hijacking the organic movement and turning into an establishment �color revolution� that sweeps puppets into power or protects the existing government.

Americans, as do Russians, have a big problem on their hands. A very big problem that has been in the making since the dawn of civilization: government. People all around the world are tired of government that does not represent them, they are tired of paying for a government which acts without their consent. People are standing up to their governments at record levels all around the globe, unfortunately the same process keeps recurring similar to what I have mentioned earlier in this article. Revolutions occur; kinetic, social and natural resources are wasted and in the end nothing really changes. That has to change.

I can�t tell you exactly what Russia is doing in Ukraine, most of the news stories are so skewed that it�s really impossible to say exactly. However, as Americans, the Russian government is not our problem unless they are harming Americans in America. Our problem is the US government sticking it�s nose into foreign affairs. Our problem is the US government loaning $1 billion dollars to the new Ukrainian government while our own people starve in the streets. Our problem is 900 military bases in 150 different countries. Our problem is the �land of the free� is now also the land of the largest prison population, both per capita and in total numbers, in the history of the world. Our problem is that the only agency in the government that actually listens to us is the NSA, and it�s when we don�t want them listening.

Unfortunately for the world, our government is also their problem. In fact, recent polling suggests that according to people asked all around the world, America is by and far the greatest threat to peace with Iran coming in a distant second. We are notorious for overthrowing democratically elected governments in the name of democracy. We are the bullies. We are the Roman empire and you and me are the new Roman citizens. The image posted below from Occupy London is a reality check in case you still receive your news from the television.

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I hate to break it to you, but our government is the largest terrorist organization in the history of mankind and each and every one of us is guilty of funding it every time we pay taxes. We have blood on our hands and there�s just no getting around that fact.

Now back to the title of this article and what it is Americans can do about the Ukrainian crisis.

What can we do about Russia invading Ukraine? Not much really. That�s up to Russian citizens and Ukraine to solve. As I stated earlier in this post, people all over the world have beef with their government and the Russians are no different than the rest of us. Unless Russia begins invading the United States and starts killing Americans, there isn�t much I can say about Russia other than the fact that I think Putin is a totalitarian scumbag; much like his counterparts in umm�yeah, basically every other country in the world. We can boycott Russian goods and encourage our Russian comrades to take control of their own government.

Here�s the real question: what can we do to stop the US government from instigating these phony crisis� all around the world? How can we stop them from spending our tax money to murder innocents to enrich their corporate handlers, depriving billions of people of hope while bankrupting the globe and sending our young men to die in pointless and unwinnable wars?

The first step is spreading information. Share this article and any more like it that you come across. If you ever thought about joining the new media, blogging, making videos, doing interviews or just thinking of starting a Facebook page to spread awareness, do it. Do it now. Here�s a great guide to getting started that we posted about a while back: How to Become a Citizen Journalist. Turn off the TV. The �mainstream media� is 95% owned by merely 6 mega corporations which means they don�t represent you, they represent the elite. The mainstream media will broadcast Obama saying that he stands with Ukrainians and will defend their rights, all the while our rights at home are nearly gone and not one question or comment about this hypocrisy. The MSM will broadcast John Kerry (with a straight face) saying that �You just don�t in the 21st century behave in 19th century fashion by invading another country on completely trumped up pre-text� and not even ask him about the trumped up pretext to invade Iraq or bomb Libya. Are we living in George Orwell�s 1984? Follow blogs with independent writers, subscribe to their email newsletters, follow Facebook pages that spread real info, subscribe to twitter feeds that post from good websites, and most importantly of all share as much information with your close friends and family about what the hell is going on in this country outside of Miley Cyrus, Justin Bieber and Duck Dynasty.

Starve the beast. The government can only commit these atrocities abroad if they continue to have a willing tax base that just keeps blindly paying. Engage in direct tax civil disobedience, experiment with alternative forms of currency. Not just Bitcoin or gold and silver, get creative. Try this: 10 steps to creating your own local currency. Work with your neighbors to establish bartering channels. The less transactions with corporations, with dollars, or with credit cards, the less money the government can skim off the top to keep the empire moving. Once you establish a diversified local economy around you, withdraw all or most of your money from the bank. If you absolutely must have a bank account then make sure it�s a local credit union and not Goldman Sachs. Chances are the banking system is coming down either way so you should be prepared for that regardless.

Grow a garden. Trade your excess food to friends or give it to the needy. If you don�t have a yard ask someone who does if you can plant food in it and share some of the food with them. If you have a yard but no time to garden, place a sign in your yard letting people know that they can garden it if they want to. If you�re in the city buy your food from farmer�s markets, food co-ops, CSAs or plant a garden on your roof top. Understand that when the tax base dries up the first cuts will be to welfare, food stamps and to the elderly: You have to help them now. If we really want to make a change every single able bodied person must help take care of the less fortunate and needy, whether you feed someone, clothe someone or house someone. When the government stops doing it (they have basically already stopped) you have to do it, so start now. Opt out of the system at every turn. While it may be a bit inconvenient, think of the payoff in the end: peace and freedom. Use Craigslist for items you need or things you have to sell. Work in cash only if you are unable to establish and alternate form of currency. The lesson here is simple: I won�t pay my taxes until I feel the government represents me. Which basically means never.

Give them hell. Take to the airwaves and to the streets. Take a friend with you to hand our some flyers. Put a sign over the freeway overpass. Get active in your community to activate your community. Start protests and marches and keep doing them until we win. Remember that the problem is big, but each of us can create a small solution in our area. A million small solutions amount to one huge problem for the establishment. Let them know that we are on to them. Call your �representatives� and tell them that we�ve had enough. We don�t need violence, we need ideas and people to work those ideas and anyone reading this can be part of that solution. Disobey the state at every possible chance including when encountering police. Learn your rights and your limits and use them to create fractures in the control grid.

Becoming the media, defeating Wall Street, undermining the strongest empire in history, revolutionizing the food system all seem like huge monolithic tasks..and they are. I�ll end this with two quotes from Howard Zinn:

�We don�t have to engage in grand, heroic actions to participate in the process of change. Small acts, when multiplied by millions of people, can transform the world.�

�And if we do act, in however small a way, we don�t have to wait for some grand utopian future. The future is an infinite succession of presents, and to live now as we think human beings should live, in defiance of all that is bad around us, is itself a marvelous victory.�

- See more at: http://theantimedia.org/what-american-citizens-can-and-should-be-doing-about-the-ukrainian-crisis/#sthash.Xe1Nx0Y6.dpuf

Russ

modwiz

6th March 2014, 21:21

One fact that got revealed in Pooter's hour long interview was that the Ukrainian police had no firearms. One of the reasons they could not stand their ground. All for the good of the real protesters but, Russia, and those who are informed (now we are) understand that the murders were from the 'other side'. Protesters and police were killed. Police were unarmed.

Whodunnit?

Calz

6th March 2014, 21:27

Whodunnit?

The thugs installed by those that have no business whatsoever to do so.

modwiz

6th March 2014, 21:47

The thugs installed by those that have no business whatsoever to do so.

The murders were a false flag. Once shots were fired, chaos ensued and the 'muscle' moved into place. The shooting was the spark that was needed. The smoking gun, literally, is now available owing to a 'leaked' phone conversation between Ashton and the FM of Estonia. The facts a quite damning for the West. Problem is the facts are having trouble finding fresh air. Reliance on MSM is a brain killer.

Even Abby Martin of RT reacted to false information, Russian invasion of Crimea, and took a stand on ground made of garbage and sewage. This is one of the 'bright' lights of the alt-media not excercising due diligence and still stuck in the Matrix. Perhaps this will help her realize how insulated her information world is.

Perhaps it has unveiled her.

Sooz

8th March 2014, 02:28

Here's an interesting twist. Who needs physical war? Digital warfare should do the trick:

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/615c29ba-a614-11e3-8a2a-00144feab7de.html#axzz2vL18OOX9

Edit: Sorry that link no longer works, was OK a minute ago...:scrhd:

Edit 2: Well, that's sneaky, looks like you get one free look, the rest you have to sign up for....pffft:ireful:

Sooz

8th March 2014, 02:38

Here is another link: (Malware infecting Ukraine networks, called 'Ouroboros'

http://www.kontactor.com/tags/malware/article/2014030414598f.russian-malware-targets-us

Edit: Sorry, epic fail all round. That's it.....:fpalm::getcoat:

Calz

8th March 2014, 02:38

BabaRa

8th March 2014, 20:03

The murders were a false flag. Once shots were fired, chaos ensued and the 'muscle' moved into place. The shooting was the spark that was needed. The smoking gun, literally, is now available owing to a 'leaked' phone conversation between Ashton and the FM of Estonia. The facts a quite damning for the West. Problem is the facts are having trouble finding fresh air. Reliance on MSM is a brain killer.

Even Abby Martin of RT reacted to false information, Russian invasion of Crimea, and took a stand on ground made of garbage and sewage. This is one of the 'bright' lights of the alt-media not excercising due diligence and still stuck in the Matrix. Perhaps this will help her realize how insulated her information world is.

Perhaps it has unveiled her.

I saw that Abbey Martin reaction - and was shocked. Would have expected better from her. I had several friends who are staunch democrats call me and say they saw it on MSNBC news, which they interpreted as: Even people in Russia are against what Putin's doing - so we have to go in and help those poor people.

Haven't been watching of late - wonder if she made a retraction after getting herself educated on the matter. although even if she does, THAT won't be posted on MSN. The damage of her actions has been done.

BabaRa

8th March 2014, 20:11

That thoughtform must end ... immediately.

If not here ... on this type of forum ... then where?

How much "hangover" from the myth of WW2 must linger???

What ... 70 years now???

Good guys???

:ha:

That thoughtform does NOT exist on this Forum, IMO.

Calzie, did you read all the words in my post. I said: Sadly the US population - - I was not referring to those of us on this Forum - and Yes, it has to stop, no one is denying or suggesting otherwise.

modwiz

8th March 2014, 20:29

I saw that Abbey Martin reaction - and was shocked. Would have expected better from her. I had several friends who are staunch democrats call me and say they saw it on MSNBC news, which they interpreted as: Even people in Russia are against what Putin's doing - so we have to go in and help those poor people.

Haven't been watching of late - wonder if she made a retraction after getting herself educated on the matter. although even if she does, THAT won't be posted on MSN. The damage of her actions has been done.

I guess Abby could always do a Dennis Miller turnaround.:rolleyes:

modwiz

8th March 2014, 20:38

Speaking of interesting twists ...

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The lawmakers' unanimous call for a vote on separation prompted howls of outrage Thursday in the United States and Europe and the threat of sanctions, including asset freezes, visa bans and travel bans.

The delegation from the Crimean Parliament, which said it would put the decision to a public vote on March 16, headed to Moscow on Friday and got a very different reaction.

Valentina Matvienko, speaker of Russia's upper house of Parliament, told the Crimean delegation it would "support and welcome" any decision made by the Crimean people to become a part of Russia.

Ukrainian interim Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk condemned talk of a split.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/07/world/europe/ukraine-crisis/index.html?hpt=wo_c1

The usual misfits will have a tough time making this "outrage" stick. When South Sudan, the oil rich part, decided to secede from Sudan proper it was greeted as democracy in action. (because our financial sector gets to suck to life blood out of it)
To now squeal at the same thing happening in Crimea is hypocrisy in action. The Crimeans and Russians have a recent legal precedent (Sudan) to present to the whining, privileged elites of corpsetocracies.

Seikou-Kishi

8th March 2014, 21:00

The usual misfits will have a tough time making this "outrage" stick. When South Sudan, the oil rich part, decided to secede from Sudan proper it was greeted as democracy in action. (because our financial sector gets to suck to life blood out of it)
To now squeal at the same thing happening in Crimea is hypocrisy in action. The Crimeans and Russians have a recent legal precedent (Sudan) to present to the whining, privileged elites of corpsetocracies.

Oh, because hypocrisy has always fallen like a lead balloon before. Our history is not devoid of hypocrisy, and I can scarcely think of an example which has been met with anything other than the casual acceptance we hypocrites reserve for our own hypocrisy. It's everybody else's hypocrisy that's wrong. That's the metahypocrisy.

Spiral

9th March 2014, 11:01

Heres some more for the pot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Wv6lgyOUGk

Published on 9 Mar 2014

We've seen the rollout of the MSM propaganda using over-the-top hyperbole and flat-out lies to try to demonize Russia in the lead up to the "new cold war." But is this just part of the dialectic, trying to get us to buy into one side or the other in a rigged game? Should we devolve into mere spectators choosing sides in a squabble between #TeamObama and #TeamPutin? Join us this week on The Corbett Report as we explore whether the enemy of our enemy is indeed our friend.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5zyOSsIiYM

Published on 5 Mar 2014

"#Kiev snipers fired at protesters and police, were hired by Maidan leaders" - leaked phone call between EU's Catherine Ashton & Estonian FM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5tUBgczjR0

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2576490/Are-Blackwater-active-Ukraine-Videos-spark-talk-U-S-mercenary-outfit-deployed-Donetsk.html

Fred Steeves

9th March 2014, 13:42

I think Corbett explained this situation best with his feces sandwich analogy. That what we're being offered, the choice to root for Putin or the "West", is like choosing which half of a feces sandwich you want to eat.

There are also other choices, like eating something other than a sandwich, or even eating nothing at all. I enjoyed the pic of Putin giving Obama the middle finger as much as anyone, but that's about as far as it goes for me, entertainment. There are no "good guys" in this chess match, but it's sure one heck of a show. A very dangerous show at that.

Cheers

norman

14th March 2014, 19:08

Russia Shoots Down 2 US Drones Over Crimea

http://beforeitsnews.com/war-and-conflict/2014/03/report-russia-shoots-down-2-us-drones-over-crimea-2451056.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arZnmvetKok

Then it's apparently denied again:

http://www.popsci.com/article/technology/no-us-drones-werent-shot-down-over-crimea

Calz

17th March 2014, 07:56

Crimea votes yes.

Players ... show your cards.

This from Joseph Farrell who has a good understanding of the economic situation (at several levels) particularly from a German point of view.

We have heard some of the verbal jousting (attack on on dollar and shutting off energy to EU) if sanctions against Russia do come to pass.

This piece offers a more moderate set of considerations.

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GERMAN BUSINESS LEADERS BEGIN TO BALK AT RUSSIAN SANCTIONS

Posted on March 15, 2014 by Joseph P. Farrell •

While Angela Merkel & Co., A.G. have been politely and quietly toeing the Washington party line – more or less – and sending noises about the Ukrainian crisis upsetting the world conference of G-8 nations, German businesmen have been expressing their growing concern over the noises on sanctions against Russia for its “meddling” in the Ukraine(not one, so far as I know, is talking about imposing sanctions on the USA and EU for their meddling in the Ukraine). But when German business speaks, Berlin listens, perhaps even more so than Washington, which apparently isn’t listening to much of anyone lately, unless of course one counts the NSA spying, in which case, it’s listening to everyone.

Zero Hedge is reporting the German businessmen’s concerns:

( http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2014-03-13/german-exporters-fire-warning-shot-about-russia-%E2%80%9Csanction-spiral%E2%80%9D-banks-risk )

German Exporters Fire Warning Shot About Russia “Sanction-Spiral,” Banks At Risk

I want to draw your attention to these paragraphs:

“It isn’t just German exporters that are fretting, and lobbying with all their might. Russia, with an economy that is already stagnating, and dogged by vicious bouts of capital flight, has $732 billion in foreign debt. Relatively little of it is sovereign debt, but nearly $700 billion is owed by banks and corporations – most of them owned or controlled by the Kremlin. Oil major Rosneft and gas mastodon Gazprom owe $90 billion combined to foreign entities; the four state banks Sberbank, VTB, VEB, and Rosselkhozbank owe $60 billion. Some of this debt matures this year and next year.

“US banks are marginally involved. Between Bank of America, Citigroup, JPMorgan, and Wells Fargo, they have only $24 billion on the line. But European banks and insurance companies are up to their dirty ears in this suddenly iffy and potentially toxic Russian debt.

“When it comes due, it will have to be rolled over, and some of the companies will need to borrow more, simply to stay afloat. Alas, the current sanction regime of visa bans for the elite, asset freezes, and trade restrictions could make that difficult. Then there’s the threat, now more broadly but still unofficially bandied about, that Russian companies should simply default on this $700 billion in debt in retaliation for the sanctions.

“Some European banks, including some German banks, might crater. Even the possibility of a major loss would further rattle the confidence in these banks with their over-leveraged and inscrutable balance sheets and their assets that are still exuding whiffs of putrefaction. And this sort of fiasco, as the financial crisis has made clear, has an unpleasant way of snowballing – and taking down the already shaky global economy with it.

“During the financial crisis, German exports collapsed, banks toppled and got bailed out, and the economy experienced its two worst quarters in the history of the Federal Republic. No politician in Germany has any appetite to re-experience that. And the banking industry, with its powerful and long tentacles winding their way through the hallways and doors of the German government, has been assiduously at work, quietly and behind the scenes, to whittle any sanctions down to irrelevance.

“Washington’s defaulting on an agreement with Russia about Ukraine’s future, and the prospect of NATO troops in Ukraine, convinced Putin and much of the Russian elite that there’s no point in negotiating with the US.”

It’s that last statement – that the Russian elite is convinced there is no point in negotiating with the US – that concerns us. In my opinion, the USA has clearly embarked on a course of action designed to make Russia submit to Washington’s unipolar, New World Order will. But, as is pointed out, there are costs involved: major European, largely German, and American banks and corporations have major interest in Russia. A breach in relations now would endanger those interests for all three parties, Germany, the USA, and Russia. And such a breach would seriously cripple Germany’s economy, and hence, that of Europe.

This puts Germany in to a delicate diplomatic position, one fraught with opportunity, and danger, for Germany is positioned – again – to be a diplomatic go-between between Washington and Moscow. Failure of Berlin to communicate Russia’s legitimate interest to Washington would only fuel the growing opinion in Europe that their influence and voice count for nothing in Washington. And that would only serve, in the long term, to convince Europeans to increase their independence from Washington.

The more dangerous scenario – the high octane component – is this: the Ukrainian situation may have twin objectives, the obvious one being to open that country to Western(re. American) looting and dominance. But the more hidden objective would be to impose Washington’s will on a Germany that increasingly has acted with more independence. Insisting on sanctions could seriously cripple the German and hence EU economy, and in that weakened condition, Washington could step in and offer “trade agreements,” meaning a tighter grip by Washington on Europe.

In the short run, of course, it would work. But in the long run, it creates even more ill-will towards Washington as it extends the dictatus Americanae to Europe even more tightly.

Regardless of which route one envisions here, in my opinion, one thing seems evident, and that is unless the current insanity of covert operations led by NGOs, radical rebels in “liberation” efforts that have become Washington’s standard means of dealing both with friends and enemies, is changed, the only result will be the creation of a world-wide resentment and mistrust.

As for the USA, it bears repeating once again: drone strikes against leaders or other people a regime does not like, covert operations, assassinations, and proxies – the whole miserable game – are operational tactics not reserved to Washington’s exclusive use alone.

And ultimately, that is a game the Washington oligarchs cannot win.

See you on the flip side

http://gizadeathstar.com/2014/03/german-business-leaders-begin-balk-russian-sanctions/

Calabash

17th March 2014, 13:30

BTW China has been rejecting GMO corn from the U.S since December 2013 and I picked up the following sentence from a website a short while ago:

"China continued to reject corn cargoes from the U.S. that contained an unapproved genetically modified variety while accepting a first bulk-carrier shipment of the grain from Ukraine". And from another website: "Russian media have been reporting that China is seeking the return of $3 billion in loans. The reports, also picked up by the South China Morning Post, cite an unnamed Ukrainian official as saying that China has filed a complaint against Ukraine for reneging on a deal where $3 billion in loans from China would be repaid in corn exports from Ukraine. According to the official, Kiev only provided a little over $150 million of worth of grain to China".

Under the circumstances China would have been considered rather corn-mealy-mouthed (to say the least) not to have abstained from the recent Crimea Resolution vote

Altaira

17th March 2014, 15:57

OK this is not good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWE0cf6dBPE

Barack Obama has just announced new sanctions against Russia and their officials while also informing us that he's signed a new executive order as shared in this video. WW3 on the horizon or merely the collapse of the US dollar as the sanctions against Russia boomerang back in America's face?

Tonz

18th March 2014, 06:21

UPDATE 1-Ukraine crisis triggers Russia's biggest anti-Putin protest in two years

* Tens of thousands join rival pro-Kremlin and anti-war demos in Moscow

* Rallies comes a day before referendum on Crimea joining Russia

* Most Russians back President Putin's policy in Ukraine

By Maria Tsvetkova and Jason Bush

MOSCOW, March 15 (Reuters) - Russia saw the largest opposition protest in almost two years in Moscow on Saturday, as Muscovites took to the streets in their thousands to demonstrate both for and against President Vladimir Putin's policies in Ukraine.

Crimeans vote on Sunday on whether to reunite with Russia after pro-Russian forces took control of the peninsula, triggering the worst East-West confrontation since the Cold War.

Most Russians strongly back Putin's actions and see Crimea as rightfully part of Russia. But a minority are horrified, fearing that Putin is risking war with another Slavic country formerly seen as a brother nation.

Although smaller than protests that he faced after parliamentary elections in 2011, Saturday's anti-war rally, which witnesses said attracted around 30,000 people, is a sign that his intervention in Ukraine might provide a rallying point for an opposition movement that had run out of steam.

Since being re-elected president in 2012, Putin has worked to neutralise political opposition, mindful of the street protests that overthrew governments in Georgia and Ukraine in 2003 and 2004-5 - actions that help to explain his deep antipathy to the movement that toppled Ukraine's pro-Russian president, Viktor Yanukovich, last month.

On Sakharov Avenue, site of the first large anti-Putin rally in December 2011, when tens of thousands protested against electoral fraud, demonstrators waved Ukrainian and Russian flags as well as EU flags like those carried by pro-European demonstrators in Kiev's Maidan square.

"ASHAMED FOR RUSSIA"

The march appeared to be the largest opposition rally since June 2012, although police put the turnout at around 3,000.

"I am ashamed for Russia and our people," said publishing company employee Valentina Legonkova, 69, who was carrying a Ukrainian flag although she is Russian.

"We are behaving towards Ukraine like swine," she said. "We will soon be on the level of North Korea."

Some chanted "Glory to Ukraine, glory to the heroes!", a slogan also borrowed from Kiev, others "Down with Putin!", "No to war!", "No to fascism!" and "Russia without Putin!"

One placard read: "Hungary 1956, Czechoslovakia 1968, Ukraine 2014", likening Russia's actions to the Red Army's suppression of east European reform movements in the Cold War.

"My duty is to show support for the Ukrainian people in its desire to live independently from the dictatorship of the elder brother," said Moscow teacher Irina Seseikina.

The protest taps into a wider vein of discontent, strongest among the Moscow middle class, who are also appalled at rising corruption, political repression and censorship under Putin.

But so far, the Ukraine crisis and last month's spectacular Winter Olympics in Sochi have solidified broader support for Putin, whose increasingly nationalist and conservative agenda plays well among Russians nostalgic for the Soviet Union.

His approval rating now stands at about 70 percent. In a recent poll by the independent Levada Centre, two-thirds said they believed that not only Crimea but also mostly Russian-speaking eastern Ukraine were "in essence" Russian lands.

"AGAINST FASCISM"

In the two weeks since he received parliamentary backing to deploy troops in Ukraine, Russia has seen dozens of government-backed rallies supporting the "defence" of Crimea, while smaller unsanctioned anti-war protests have led to scuffles with police and dozens of arrests.

The largely state-controlled media have pushed the Kremlin's view of the revolution in Ukraine as an anti-constitutional coup by fascist extremists with Western backing.

In a rally on Saturday organised by a Russian Orthodox movement "in support of Crimea and against fascism", 15,000 gathered on Revolution Square near the Kremlin, according to police.

Accompanied by a brass band playing patriotic marches, the well organised demonstrators, some waving Soviet hammers and sickles, chanted "Crimea is Russia", "We defend our own!" and "No to fascism!"

"We want to say a firm 'no' to the fascist junta that came to power in Kiev and therefore we naturally want to support our comrades in Ukraine," said Pyotr, one of the protesters.

Another pro-Kremlin demonstrator, Captain Alexei Ryabtsev, said: "Sevastopol means for Russia and for the Russians much more than the Falklands mean for England. But England didn't give the Falklands up and went into a big war, right?"

Few of the anti-war marchers believed that their action would make a difference.

"These images are for the evening news, which will talk about a (subversive) 'fifth column'," said Alexander, a teacher who declined to give his last name.

Tonz

18th March 2014, 06:22

UPDATE 2-Russia proposes international "support group" on Ukraine
Mon Mar 17, 2014 12:20pm EDT

(Reuters) - Russia proposed on Monday creating an international "support group" to mediate in the Ukraine crisis but outlined terms that Kiev said were absolutely unacceptable and the West is unlikely to welcome.

In response to Western calls for what it terms a "contact group", Russia's Foreign Ministry suggested the "support group" could push for Ukraine to recognise the outcome of a referendum in which the Crimea region voted to join Russia.

The ministry also said the support group should urge Kiev to implement parts of a peace deal concluded by President Viktor Yanukovich and his opponents on Feb. 21, hours before he fled Kiev and one day before he was removed from power by parliament.

Moscow's initiative may be intended mainly to answer criticism abroad that it has not engaged sufficiently in diplomatic efforts to resolve the crisis in Ukraine. It did not explain the significance of the different term used.

Within hours Kiev criticised the suggestion.

"The statement of the Russian Foreign Ministry looks like an ultimatum," Ukrainian Foreign Ministry spokesman Yevhen Perebynis told the Interfax Ukraine news agency. "The position as set out is absolutely unacceptable for the Ukrainian side."

Both the United States and the European Union have imposed sanctions on Russians and Ukrainians seen as responsible for Russian forces' seizure of control in Crimea, where Russia's Black Sea Fleet has a base.

The statement did not say who might take part in the group, but said it should urge Ukraine to adopt a new constitution setting out broad powers for the country's regions and require Ukraine to uphold military and political neutrality.

This would imply greater power for Russian-speaking regions in the east and southeast of Ukraine, a move already promised by the Ukrainian authorities, and could be seen by Moscow as a way to prevent Ukraine joining the NATO defence alliance.

The Feb. 21 deal called for an investigation into violence in which dozens of people were killed during anti-government protests. The violence followed harsh police intervention but Moscow blames it on radical groups among the protesters and says the new leadership in Kiev has not investigated properly. (Reporting by Thomas Grove in Moscow and Ronald Popeski in Kiev, editing by Alissa de Carbonnel and Ralph Boulton)

BabaRa

18th March 2014, 16:49

I think this all ties into Sooz's post here: http://jandeane81.com/threads/2343-Ben-Fulford-March-17

Let's remember guys, each news media has their country's agenda that they're promoting. Read them all. Don't totally believe any of them. Try to pick up what's behind the agenda.

Same with Fulford, don't dismiss it all - don't believe it all. But here is one of the things he pointed out in his latest. I'll repeat my post from Sooz's above.

For me, the most important one is: (underlining is mine)

From Fulford:
"In any case, even as the cabal controlled corporate propaganda media
tries to distract everybody with lies over the situation in the Ukraine,
as well as speculating endlessly about the missing Malaysian airliner,
they are totally ignoring the defection from the cabal by the Gulf oil
countries led by Saudi Arabia."

If this is true and Middle Eastern oil is no longer available to the US things could change dramatically. No more oil from them - and Putin has already diminished the petro-dollar which brought in $$ to US by creating BRICS.

Read BF's full article (listed in post#1 by Sooz) to see how he comes to this conclusion.

Per BF:
"This means that the Federal Reserve Board regime in Washington D.C.
and their sister institution the European Central Bank are now being
isolated from the global community."

Calz

19th March 2014, 14:52

VT Gordon Duff's latest ... guess I will park it here (link only).

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/03/15/caught-us-planning-terror-attacks-in-ukraine/

Increasingly mind numbing how obvious the west (bankster driven) false flag plots are as well as how blatant the media shills have become.

I don't know how much of this latest article is true (Duff suggests a healthy bit of intentional disinfo to keep himself alive) ... but geez!!!

:fpalm:

Spiral

19th March 2014, 18:46

Paris — As Russia absorbs Crimea and masses 60,000 troops on Ukraine’s border, is the West serious about sanctions against Moscow?

The best test could come this Tuesday, when the defense and foreign ministers of Russia and France are scheduled to meet for long-planned talks on relations between the two countries. French president Fran�ois Hollande has already announced that “there will be sanctions Monday on visas and assets of a certain number of [Russian] individuals if there is no de-escalation.” But he absolutely must go further.

http://c6.nrostatic.com/sites/default/files/uploaded/pic_giant_031614_SM_The-Appeasement-of-Paris-Vladivostok.jpg

Three years ago, France signed a military contract worth $1.7 billion to build two advanced-technology Mistral-class helicopter carriers for Russia, with an option to build two more. The first carrier, Vladivostok, conducted its sea trials earlier this month and is set to arrive in Moscow later this year. A Russian crew is already being trained on the ship, currently berthed in the French port of Saint-Nazaire. A sister ship, Sebastopol — ironically named after the chief port of Crimea — is set for delivery to the Russian navy late in 2015.

The rest http://www.nationalreview.com/article/373471/appeasement-paris-john-fund

This "sanctions" codswollop is not going to fly is it ?

norman

22nd March 2014, 00:39

Here's a flashback to a recent time when Cameron and Putin were just thawing relations after the Alexander Litvinenko killing ( with radiation) in London.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o00S7W2KGQw#t=213

BabaRa

22nd March 2014, 18:49

I feel this is a good discussion ( 3 varied opinions) on the Ukraine crisis. (link below) Charlies Rose on PBS discusses the situation with Ian Bremmer, President of Eurasia Group, Stephen Cohen, professor at Princeton Universities and Stephen Sestanovich professor at Columbia University and Sr.Fellow on Council on Foreign Relations.

Before you listen, really try to get yourself into a neutral position. IMO, the only hope for this world to change into the peaceful, harmonious place we all dream of - is for everyone to listen to the person we consider "the enemy" and try to see it from their perspective. Wars do not end wars - if they did - we would have been living in peace long ago. We all need to stop saber-rattling and look towards diplomacy. This planet has become a very small place. We are all interconnected, financially, militarily, etc. To live in peace, we must stop demonizing other leaders and countries. That doesn't mean we see them as perfect or without flaws or agendas - our leaders are also flawed and have agendas.

Who created this mess in Ukraine? The Russians believe the western world did in order to bring the Ukraine into Nato and therefore move western military bases even closer to Russia.
The western world believes Russia created it in order to grab Crimea and Ukraine back into their fold. WHO KNOWS for sure. Maybe the Ukrainians themselves created it in their divisiveness. . . .The fact remains - it's a mess.

Look at the middle east - out of control
Look at most of Africa - out of control
Look at what's going on in Venezuela - out of control

Can we afford to have the Ukraine become Iraq? - Instead of being mesmerized by the war drums that many politicians in US (Nato countries) seem to be beating - let us step back - and push toward negotiations at every level until a settlement is reached. (Wow! Barbara is pepped up this morning!)

http://www.charlierose.com/watch/60363136

norman

23rd March 2014, 06:49

There is a scale difference between the "bash the Russians" case and the "bash the west" case.

The west is accusing Putin of risking all this for a tiddly little bit of territory.

Putin is accusing the west of risking all this for a strategic pincer grip on Russia.

I know I'm certain who's blowing gas.

http://www.charlierose.com/watch/60363136

Hi Barbara, that video was great - both parts. I'd never heard of Charlie Rose, I must keep an eye on this guy's interviews.

Highland1

25th March 2014, 14:14

Leaked recording of Ukraine leader: �8 million Russians in the Ukraine must be killed with nuclear weapons�

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Leaked recording of Ukraine leader: �8 million russians in the Ukraine must be killed with nuclear weapons�
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Leaked recording of Ukraine leader: �8 million russians in the Ukraine must be killed with nuclear weapons�
While the NSA is busy justifying its (spying of every American) its existence thanks to famous Moscow resident Edward Snowden, its Russian counterparts have been busy intercepting even more phone Ukrainian conversations

By Tyler Durden | ZeroHedge

After a month ago a leaked phone call between US assistant secretary of state Victoria Nuland and the US envoy to the Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt confirmed that it was the US that was pulling the strings in what was about to be a violent coup overthrowing Ukraine�s president Yanukovich, �someone� has just leaked another phone conversation, this time between parliamentarian Nestor Shufrych and former PM and ideological leader of the Ukraine �revolution� Yulia Tymoshenko and most probable future president of West Ukraine, in which Tymoshenko is makes the following threats, �It�s going too far! Bugger! We must grab arms and go whack those damn katsaps [a Ukrainian word used to refer to the Russians in a negative tone] together with their leader�, �I�ll use all my connections, I�ll raise the whole world � as soon as I�m able to � in order to make sure.. Bugger!.. not even scorched earth won�t remain where Russia stands� although all her empty threats collapse in the last sentence of the phone conversation in which she says, regarding the Crimea annexation, that �we are going to take it to the Hague International Criminal Court.� Good luck with that.

But the smoking gun, and where Putin once again shows just how masterful of a chess player he is, is the following statement by Tymoshenko, after asked, rhetorically, by her counterparty, �what should we do now with the 8 million Russians that stayed in Ukraine. They are outcasts�� to which she replies: �They must be killed with nuclear weapons.�

http://intellihub.com/leaked-recording-ukraine-leader-8-million-russians-ukraine-must-killed-nuclear-weapons/

Russ

norman

25th March 2014, 18:55

I don't know how to nuke 8 million Russians in Ukraine without killing everyone else too.

I'm not sure that story is real.

modwiz

25th March 2014, 20:28

I don't know how to nuke 8 million Russians in Ukraine without killing everyone else too.

I'm not sure that story is real.

The quote is real and it is an intercepted call, IIRC. It is a maniacal statement from a criminal mind. The lack of logic is part of the psychosis.

Spiral

26th March 2014, 20:40

Heres a conspiracy nugget, (for entertainment purposes only :tiphat:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UHwGplQWYE

Spiral

14th April 2014, 09:00

US Pays $8 Million a Month to Have Private Armies Deployed in Ukraine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5pHw3_RlZw

http://voiceofrussia.com/2014_04_10/US-pays-8-million-a-month-to-have-its-private-armies-deployed-in-Ukraine-British-press-2344/

norman

7th August 2014, 01:56

BabaRa

8th August 2014, 04:23

US Pays $8 Million a Month to Have Private Armies Deployed in Ukraine

Exactly! Which is why stories like this appear periodically in our press.

Pentagon Can’t Account For 8.5 Trillion Taxpayer Dollars

A recent investigation has revealed that the Pentagon has failed to account for $8.5 trillion dollars of taxpayer money Congress has allocated toward the U.S. Department of Defense since 1996.
According to the report, out from Reuters, the Pentagon has routinely cooked its books by failing to supply a clear monthly account of the money spent for Defense Finance and Accounting Services (DFAS).
Via Reuters: http://personalliberty.com/pentagon-cant-account-for-8-5-trillion-taxpayer-dollars/

AND - Just this week this story broke:

Pentagon Missing Over 200,000 Firearms Shipped to Afghanistan - See more at: http://gunsnfreedom.com/0729-pentagon-missing-over-200000-firearms-shipped-to-
afghanistan/#sthash.YPSGBqPc.dpuf

So now, let me see - could it possibly be that the money is to pay for these 'secret armies' and the weapons are to arm them.

BabaRa

8th August 2014, 04:43

This video is very seriously worth getting your heads around. The best bit is the Russian speaking at a meeting with sub titles. His grasp of the situation is stunning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NePChnsuMNs

The other "first strike" stuff is of less importance, in my opinion.

Yes, RT News is doing a good job of presenting the Russian perspective (which I believe is the accurate one), but unfortunately most US citizens don't watch that outlet, and the US MSN is really promoting the Russians "as the bad guys", and because of our history with Russia, it is a really easy scenario for the many who have been dumbed down to buy.

Right now the big story all over our news outlets is: Russian gang stole 1.2 billion Net passwords

Security researchers say a Russian crime ring has pulled off the largest known theft of confidential Internet information, including 1.2 billion username and password combinations and more than 500 million email addresses.

The cyber gang injected malicious code to steal databases from at least 420,000 websites, says Alex Holden, founder and chief information security officer for Hold Security in Milwaukee, Wisc.

"It is absolutely the largest breach we've ever encountered," Holden said late Tuesday.

Yet, the security company can't say which companies have been infiltrated AND there's a big security conference in Las Vegas right now where they're trying to sell their products. And the company says if you subscribe to their website they will tell you if your accounts have been breached by these terrible Russian criminals. hmm

norman

30th August 2014, 01:07

Putin Says Don’t Mess With Russia

http://www.infowars.com/video-nuclear-putin-says-dont-mess-with-russia/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUgvCXutyeI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0stuDpk318

BabaRa

30th August 2014, 16:20

It will be interesting to see what comes out of Merkle's meeting with Putin. - See this thread: http://jandeane81.com/threads/4034-Germany-(and-EU)-Continuing-to-Pull-Away-From-Washington-Joseph-Farrell