Hidden Hand

[Sooz]

Hi All,

To those of us old-timers, you probably know and have read about 'Hidden Hand'. It's been around for years and doing the rounds again.

So thought I'd post for those who may not know about it.

Fact or Fiction? I dunno?:confused:

Intriguing and fascinating all the same.

A jolly good read (and a long one), you will need cool drinks or a thermos of coffee and some snacks to get you through it.

But I guarantee you will find it fascinating.:smile2:

Sooz

http://illuminati-news.com/00363.html

[Sooz]

Just noticed I'm here all by myself with 47 guests.....

....was it something I said? LOL.....

C'mon you peeps out there, why don't you just join in the fun here....sign up.:thup: It's free!

[Tonz]

hidden hand , never read it before sooz , i will give it a go this week,with some cool ale , to soften the thick air heat on the gold coast today.cheers.

[Sooz]

I know what you mean tonton, it's SO hot here I want to cut off my head.

Feel better now after an ICY cold shower. I swear steam came off my head, lol...

You haven't heard of Hidden Hand? Well, you are in for a treat. As I said....it's LONG....but fascinating.

[Tonz]

I know what you mean tonton, it's SO hot here I want to cut off my head.

he,he, you make me laugh!,just as the sun was going down i went for a swim in the communities pool ,the water was so hot,so much for cooling down , the water was hotter than the air!, At that moment I wasn't shore what I wanted to cut off !

[Eelco]

Hadn't heard about it before.
Have just read the first session...

Too soon to make up my mind, but the few forecasts didn't come to be..

Also even though he/she does his best to explain.
There is a fatalistic sense about it all. that even though he says there is free will there really isn't that much one can do about it..

WIth Love
Eelco

[shamanseeker]

I came to the conclusion that this person is a reptilian but can't remember the reasons but there were reasons. Will let you know when I've found an email I wrote about it :)

[Church]

I have never read this before. i am currently reading it, and I'm still toward the beginning of it, but it is indeed VERY fascinating, and I would like to get a discussion going about this...

My first thoughts at this time (and keep in mind, I'm still very near the beginning of it all) are that so many of the things he's talking about *appear* to have not come to fruition. He was talking about Niburu coming at winter solstice 2012, and obviously that has not happened, at least, not publicly. That's just one thing he mentioned. I'm sure there will be more of them. Anyway, this is a fascinating read and I'm glued to it. It's been helping to distract me from my other issues at the moment, and I am thankful for that. So, does anyone have any insightful information about this? I'm going to keep reading to the end, and hopefully I will have some insight to add here after I'm through.

[modwiz]

It was a great read. Read it a few years ago.

[Wolf Khan]

There is a saying "That everyone lies, and everyone lies at every level", the lie is different everytime it is expressed. I don't trust any so called bloodlines their running for their lives and those who think they are immune are even more lost than those who die fighting. Sorry Sooz I find this info to be disinfo, as all their crap is. They act as if they know everything and the dead are just that dead, tho they walk and breathe they are more dead than a corpse. They are created from clones, and no one knows who is mother and who is father as the family decides who is who. What a living death, and they revel in it!!

[Church]

That's very interesting. Thank you for being candid in your response, Wolf Khan, because I am still I the middle of reading it, and I am taking a break to come back here and talk about some impressions I'm having...

I am finding that much of it, but not all of course, is ringing true for me. Would you say that is because it is intentionally only partially misinformation? Or is it that I am possibly not reading what's actually there, but rather the way I want to see it?

I guess its kind of hard to put my finger on, but I am in agreement with much of the stuff about the fact that even the bad things that happen in life serve a powerful purpose, when I look through it all, to find the lessons, the opportunity for growth. I've always found myself, in hindsight, not typically in the moment, appreciating and giving thanks to the ones that have wronged me, and the situations that were awful and hurtful. I've always found that my greatest accomplishments in life, or the greatest lessons learned, seemed to have resulted from the challenging, and sometimes traumatic stuff.

Then reading this, it seemed like, it's not impossible that one who is here to provide those "negative" circumstances would have conscious awareness that this is his role in this world. I don't know, I'm just finding this very fascinating, and for some reason it makes me meditate simultaneously while reading, and I have insights about existence that may or may not even be what the actual printed words are, come to think about it. :confused:

[Wolf Khan]

Church, reading the material, I have had a very hard time getting it out of my system, so reading it is toxic too.

[modwiz]

Church, reading the material, I have had a very hard time getting it out of my system, so reading it is toxic too.

It was very seductive, wasn't it?

[Church]

I found it to just be a gripping read I couldn't let go of. I feel no less good, and no more evil, after having read it. I do feel, actually, more comfortable being who I've always been all along, after having read it.

Seductive or not, poison or not, I read it, and found it entertaining.

[shamanseeker]

The 'Hidden Hand' stated that there are no naturally shape-shifting creatures in the Universe. I know first-hand that this is not true. I have seen a person who claims to be a direct descendant of the Royal House of Stuart shapeshift into a toad-like creature. In the Mormon Church they told (probably don't now but am not sure) of how Joseph Smith received the gold plates which he translated into the Book of Mormon and the man who brought them to him changed into a toad and then changed back into a man. The leaders of the Mormon Church are Merovingians. They talk much in their temples of Satan and how he was given the job of opening people's eyes so that they would know the difference between good and evil and learn about free will. The Jewish rabbis also teach this. Satanic rituals are reported to take place in the Mormon temples and I believe it having felt the negative vibrations at the London temple. They also have a special door (like the Jehovah's Witnesses) leading into the basement which I was told was for Christ when he returned. I believe this is where sacrifices take place.

Hidden Hand tells us that his soul group comes from Venus. This is interesting. Firstly the soul group he emphasises quite a lot. The reptilians have a hive-like social structure. The Mormon church have a symbol which they consider very important - the bee hive. I've seen it on buildings with the symbols of cardinals here in Italy. They say it represents industry but I think it also represents this hive-like soul group.

The following comes from a very interesting article on reptilians stating that the reptilians arrived inside a comet which is now Venus. The Hidden Hand said they were underground dwellers. The amphibians were sent either to Neptune but some stayed in the oceans here. Interesting because it seems that some of the members of the royal family, e.g. the Queen Mother was a toad-like creature and others are lizard types.

"The comet then switched places with Earth, taking up the second orbit from the sun, becoming the planet now known as Venus. The heat of the sun melted the ice on the comet, creating a cloudy covering to this new planet. The Earth was pushed out to the third orbit occupying the previous position held by Mars. The Earth was now ready to be colonized. Most of the surviving amphibians were transported to a new home on Neptune. Some stayed in the newly formed oceans.
The Reptilians who were inside the hollow comet, now Venus, came to the surface of this new world. They built seven domed cities, one for each of the seven groups in the hierarchy. In the mid-1980s one of New Yorks daily papers,*Newsday, reported that a Soviet space probe penetrated the cloud layer of Venus and photographed seven white domes the size of small cities, all in a row. After a page-long diatribe, the American scientists concluded that this was all a natural formation.
The Reptilians drove a large, hollowed out object into Earths orbit to begin the colonization process. This object is now called the Moon. Conventional science considers the Moon natural, yet it is the only known object in space that does not spin on its axis. The Moon faces the Earth in the same position all of the time, leaving one side in complete darkness. A sonic resonance sent to the surface of the Moon makes a pinging noise like a hollow object. If the Moon were solid, the noise would sound like a thump or thud. The Moon is hollow. A recent article in an astronomy magazine said that the Moon was being reclassified because it is considered to be hollow."

Did HH deny the Earth was hollow because they don't want us to believe the story of their arrival in a comic. Are their colonies are in the Hollow Earth, too (?)

http://www.greatdreams.com/reptlan/draconians.htm

I found this interesting too: These reptilians came from Venus, were reptilians.

"Did you know that the founders of the Great White Brotherhood came form Venus and that many of the branches of the GWB around the planet were founded by spiritual adepts associated with the serpent? I came to that startling realization some years ago during a journey to Peru."
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http://www.reptilianagenda.com/research/r120399a.shtml

The reptilians are extremely dangerous. Remember the interview with the man who is part human, part reptilian and part insectoid? The goal of that video seemed to be to discredit the positive Andromedans and Pleiadians and deny that there are shapeshifters on this Earth. This interview also denied very strongly that there are shapeshifters, though HH did say that it happens during sacrifices.

[modwiz]

The Hidden Hand material is very important, IMO. It is a look into the culture and mindset of true Luciferians. Details about this or that are not as important, and create distraction from the greater big picture.

Lucifer and Venus are interchangeable as symbols.

[ronin]

morning star....?
lightsearch?

there is a garden of roses only seen but that of a few.
it resides in Germany.

[shamanseeker]

But HH insists these Luciferians are not reptilian and that there are no shapeshifters except during rituals. S/he also says that they are from Venus but Venus is infested with reptilians. The 'devil' of the Bible is a snake. I believe that the people of HH are the reptilians and that they are giving us misinformation. They are telling us some of the truth but they are also feeding us lies especially about who they really are imo.

[modwiz]

But HH insists these Luciferians are not reptilian and that there are no shapeshifters except during rituals. S/he also says that they are from Venus but Venus is infested with reptilians. The 'devil' of the Bible is a snake. I believe that the people of HH are the reptilians and that they are giving us misinformation. They are telling us some of the truth but they are also feeding us lies especially about who they really are imo.

Agreed. Which is why I said, details about this or that are not as important, and create distraction from the greater big picture.

[Fuego Del Monte]

I just found the source post via another blog; same link, different day. I'm not entirely surprised to find a thread about it here, but it looks kind of dusty, so I hope my posting will attract some interaction because I have a few thoughts and a question or two.

On the issue of shape-shifting, Castaneda speaks about this phenomena, there are Native American tales of skinwalkers, and a whole host of mythological references to it world-wide, as well as forum user personal and anecdotal knowledge cited in earlier posts in this thread, all seeming to contradict HH's contention that there ain't no such animal, a glaring variance taken to invalidate the entirety of the HH message. To say that HH is in error would seem to be a misreading of the response:


"Shapeshifting is not a 'natural' phenomenon. 'Shapeshifting' creatures/races do not exist, at least certainly not in any realm, Galaxy or Density we have ever experienced. However, there are certain Rituals that when engaged in, enables this to take place." [Emphasis mine]

This does not discount the reality of shapeshifting; indeed, it confirms it. The semantics assert that while no species encountered by the Lucifer soul complex does this naturally (like a chameleon would change colors), nevertheless shapeshifting can and does occur, given the proper circumstances.

With regards to the predictions: as I type this, it is May 5, 2015, well past the dates listed in the original exchanges, but rather than being an indication of greater error (meaning, everything posited is therefore questionable), I see this as being an indication of other possibilities:


HH asserts any channeling which gives dates is an intended misdirection meant to create dismay and disrepute, and HH avers at the close that the info is a Luciferian channeling. So perhaps those things will still play out, but at a later date. David Wilcock says his intel indicates 2017 not 2012 is/was the expected window, although he goes on to stipulate that things are speeding up, so maybe sooner than later, and what with the recent emptying of Walmarts and the business about tunnels being underneath them, methinks some DUMBs have been restocked, so maybe much, much sooner than later.

Similarly, it could also be that the timing of predicted events and the events themselves, much like John Titor's predictions, are of a different timeline, and perhaps are not going to be experienced by this version of ourselves. But now here we are with Jade Helm on the horizon, which is agitating the Don't Tread On Me crowd, so perhaps Titor's civil war cometh yet, although myself I am very much inclined to agree with Cindy Kay Currier's assessment of JH.

Conversely, and most horrifically in my opinion, the events did occur, just as predicted, but we are the lukewarm populace living on the new 3D Earth, blithely unaware, having failed to meet the minimum standards for either positive or negative polarity ascension, chained anew to the wheel of reincarnation to do the whole damn thing over. Next harvest: 25,000 yrs. For the lukewarm set, HH says it'd all look and feel the same, just a trace memory of a "mystical" experience within the no-time for which (to my thinking) they'd have no reference and no way to integrate it into what would be the continuing of their days precisely as they knew them prior to that wacky dream they had.

Good Lord, how would we know if we didn't ascend? What if this is the new earthly home for the lukewarm group? (Mediocrity? You're soaking in it!)

All in all, I find this compares very well with TLOO, indeed, it is a better read, and shorter too. It jibes well with what I understand of soul contracts made prior to incarnation, in that while it is easy to find candidates to be friends and lovers while on planet, it is hardest to find enemies and scoundrels to do their worst that we might test our mettle and grow. I read that it is those who love us the most who willingly incur and accept our hatred that we may benefit by the experience of overcoming the challenges presented. There are other points of resonance within the material for me, and indeed, none that caused me any alarm. I even found the crack about the having to dash off to a sacrifice at the end of the first session playful and not unfunny.

In summary, Mr. Clark, I'd say it's got a good beat and you can dance to it.

[ERK]

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[Fuego Del Monte]

Oh, thanks ERK. Any idea where I might find a reference to that? I'm not getting very far with the search box on DivineCosmos.

[ERK]

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[Fuego Del Monte]

I'm looking at ATS, but that is a congested thread. If I find anything specific, I'll post it here. Thanks for the heads up. I haven't finished TLOO yet; does it discuss Lucifer as a soul complex?

[ERK]

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[Ria]

Back on the first Avalon forum there was a man who started a thread by the name of Edward Alexander (anyone else remember him) and it was entitled something like Bloodline Insider speaks out, I was never sure if he was the author of the material but it seems he went on to write a book revealing some things. I say he may have been the author because his accent is similar to a clip he provided on pineal gland activation and I see he also speaks about it in his book.


E. Alexander, a life-long student & practitioner of the occult, esoteric, magick and mysticism, member of several secret orders, involved with governmental fractions - now brings you the darkest secret he has discovered, from personal direct experience and observations, and details it for you


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qa429CTGT8U


Edited to add, I do not mean he is the author of HH but of another similar (although not that similar) thread that was making the rounds years ago.
I remember the guy, a big drama was made about his site having a few adds init.

[Fuego Del Monte]

Inre: The Hidden Hand material being a hoax –

I think I'm going to stop the detective work and let this sleeping dog lie, because hoax or no, reading that Q&A has been of great value to me, helping me to do some serious Spring cleaning and put my house in order.

Raised Catholic (though now apostate), I have my share of stored shame, and to be honest, I was kind of hoping the Ascension would overtake me and that I wouldn't have to deal with my closet of skeletons. But this stuff is like 409 cleanser, busting up the dirt and grime of my soul, and so now even the shame game is changing with an alacrity I would not dared to have dreamed possible.

Additionally, prior to my original post here on this topic, I shared it with a family member who is now also having the same sort of breakthroughs: lifelong-held grudges melting away, unresolved angers and unaddressed resentments dissipating like wisps of smoke. I'm astonished. We both are.

I'm not sure what it is about the presentation, but whatever the reality of the source I care not a whit, for this has put my poop in a group like no other, and so to the author I say thank you.