Words - are they clues?

[BabaRa]

Hey guys - we had a great thread going on words before the crash, when it was lost. I couldn't find it, but Spiral was able to pull up the first post (Sorry, the rest was lost). And sleepyhead me, I just found Spirals post to me!! Anyhow, want to give it a go again?

Here was the first post:

Words - are they clues?

I've always wondered, do words have a secret meaning? At one point I made a list of words that seemed highly suspect to me. Note: I am only familiar with English, but if you have knowledge of other languages where the same thing seems apparent, please feel free to add them.

Here goes:

Devil . . . backwords is . . . Lived

Live . . . . backwords is .. . . Evil

Live . . . anagram is . . . . Veil or Vile

Words. . .anagram is . . . .sword (boy, they certainly can be)

Conscience . . . . when broken into 2 words = Con Science

Anybody else???

[ronin]

i remember Reaver doing a article on the power of the word on Universal Spectrum.

us dumbed down people only speak babble.

word is,the word is very powerful,it,s how you use it!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHcRWyB1wj0

[Spiral]

Reaver gives me migraines, that thread doubly so ;)

[BabaRa]

us dumbed down people only speak babble.

word is,the word is very powerful,it,s how you use it!




Reaver is too complicated for this gal. . . . .

However, I agree with: The word is very powerful - and I believe the intention and emotion behind it give it even more charge.

[john parslow]

Hello Babara

Thanks for the reappearance of this thread, though I have often speculated that the sound itself might be far more important than the words, what think you? JP

[modwiz]

i remember Reaver doing a article on the power of the word on Universal Spectrum.

us dumbed down people only speak babble.

word is,the word is very powerful,it,s how you use it!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHcRWyB1wj0

I really like Reaver. Now that is an intellect to engage with. :thup:

One of the sharper minds of the alternative community.

[modwiz]

Just watched the first video. It is the first video worth my time in a long while. Just fired up number two. I think these videos will be fantastic. I hope he gets a little more into detail. I am sure questions from his class will help.

I think this guy is unraveling the Matrix. At least the word control part, which seems to be the biggest part because of the effect words have on perception. Personal reality is what we perceive.

[KosmicKat]

Perhaps there are clues in the words?

Star Trek or Start, Wreck!

My late mother in law was always welcome to enter the house through the frump door.

If she wanted to stay, we have a guessed room.

In case it isn't obvious, I've been a word-botcher all my life. (Think birding).

[BabaRa]

Hello Babara

Thanks for the reappearance of this thread, though I have often speculated that the sound itself might be far more important than the words, what think you? JP

Hi John,

I don't know if sound is more important - but I do believe it's important. I was told once that words are sound coded and that you get the code at a subconscious level (even more) when you don't understand the language. When one understands the language, one focuses on the meaning of the words, so one gets less of the sound coding.

[Eelco]

Hi John,

I don't know if sound is more important - but I do believe it's important. I was told once that words are sound coded and that you get the code at a subconscious level (even more) when you don't understand the language. When one understands the language, one focuses on the meaning of the words, so one gets less of the sound coding.

If I remember corrctly there where a few books about the magician of strovolos.
He taught some groups. Once a foreign student that didn't speak greek. She was asked to try and understand what was being discussed without a translator as an exercise.
I can't remember if she succeeded very well.

With Love
Eelco

Ps there is a dutch character who claims that dutch is the primordial language and through the way words sound creates proofs of that by changing dutch into latin and chinese even..
based on the work of this guy...
Johannes Goropius Becanus (1519-1572) was a Dutch physician, linguist, and humanist. He was born Jan Gerartsen in the town of Gorp, situated in the municipality of Hilvarenbeek. As was the fashion of the time, Gerartsen adopted a latinized surname based on the name of his birthplace, Goropius being rendered from "Van Gorp"' and Becanus referring to "Hilvarenbeek."

He studied medicine in Leuven, and became physician to two sisters of Charles V: Marie and Eleonore, who were based in Brussels at the time. Philip II, the son of Charles V, wanted him also as his doctor and offered him a rich income. Goropius refused and established himself as medicus (town doctor) of Antwerp in 1554. Here, free of courtly intrigues, Goropius dedicated himself completely to the study of languages.

Goropius dedicated himself to studying antiquity during this time, and became fluent in many languages. Goropius theorized that Antwerpian Flemish, or Brabantic, spoken in the region between the Scheldt and Meuse Rivers, was the original language spoken in Paradise.

A corollary of this theory was that all languages derived ultimately from Brabantic. The Latin word for “oak,” quercus, Goropius derived from werd-cou (“keeps out cold”); the Hebrew name “Noah” he derived from nood (“need”). Goropius also believed that Adam and Eve were Brabantic names (from Hath-Dam, or “dam against hate"; and Eu-Vat, “barrel from which people originated,” or from Eet-Vat, “oath-barrel,” respectively). Another corollary was the placement of the Garden of Eden itself in the Brabant region. In the book known as Hieroglyphica, Goropius also proved to his satisfaction that Egyptian hieroglyphics represented Brabantic.

[john parslow]

Hi John,

"I was told once that words are sound coded and that you get the code at a subconscious level (even more) when you don't understand the language.

Hello again Barbara

I am certain the above statement is correct especially when applied to the sounds of music. It has a means of communication at some deep level which affects the emotions, some may not be able to read music or indeed play it but the feelings it conveys are completely understood by us.

[Seikou-Kishi]

Eelco, that sounds a little like Protochronism for the Dutch, lol.

English and Dutch are both languages in the West Germanic group, and West Germanic dialects first started becoming mutually unintelligible around the fifth decade AD. Latin, on the other hand, was around over a thousand years before West Germanic languages started to spring up out of this dialectal spectrum. The idea that ancient languages descend from modern languages is... a little strange :D It's a bit like giving birth to your great aunt.

[BabaRa]

If I remember corrctly there where a few books about the magician of strovolos.
He taught some groups. Once a foreign student that didn't speak greek. She was asked to try and understand what was being discussed without a translator as an exercise.
I can't remember if she succeeded very well.

With Love
Eelco




Reminds me of an incident back in the 80's. Was in France with my son and husband (who spoke only English). We were on the patio of a small hotel that overlooked the Alps and we're watching a spectacular lightening storm that was taking place in the distance, along with another couple (who I knew from previous contact in our stay only spoke their native language (one of the Slavic) and minimal French.

My husband and this woman kept up a 3 or 4 minute exchange, about what we were watching, each in their own language - as if they were totally comprehending the other. It was interesting.

Also, some years back I was getting an acupuncture treatment from a Chinese gentlemen, who spoke minimal English, but enough to communicate. His wife was his assistant and she only spoke Chinese. She said something to me which I heard (I thought) in English, and I said to him: When did your wife learn English?. . He responded: She can't.

But she just said: And I repeated what she said to me, which had nothing to do with the treatment.

He looked at me funny and replied: That's what she said, but she said it in Chinese!

I never could or really tried to explain the incident. Just accepted it as a moment that expanded our differences in language.

[donk]

If history is "his-story", will "my story" always be a mystery?

[BabaRa]

If history is "his-story", will "my story" always be a mystery?


Maybe, but I doubt it based on your posts, I think you're solving your mystery.

I remember in the last thread that disappeared, you mentioned they call it "spelling" for a reason.

I believe we do create spells with our words. I feel it's important to learn a new way of speaking - to become conscious of the words we use and the words that those in authority are using.

[john parslow]

the words that those in authority are using.

There is already a word for the words that those in authority use, it's: LIES ... JP

[BabaRa]

There is already a word for the words that those in authority use, it's: LIES ... JP

So true - how'd I miss that one???


Here's one: present = pre sent

Has our present moment been pre-sent OR is our present moment a present (as in gift) Or a gift, pre-sent?

[KosmicKat]

The question is, am I present in the present moment? or am I wandering somewhere in my past?

[modwiz]

So true - how'd I miss that one???


Here's one: present = pre sent

Has our present moment been pre-sent OR is our present moment a present (as in gift) Or a gift, pre-sent?

Well, in the creating your own reality concept, the present is largely pre-sent. I say largely, because reality is also constructed of "in time" play and creation with spontaneous events. These are the confluences of other's personal realities mixing with ours in interactions. In other words, the non pre-sent 'now events' are produced by interaction with other pre-sents (presents).

I'll stop here. :)

[modwiz]

The question is, am I present in the present moment? or am I wandering somewhere in my past?

Most dwell in the past, where there is no power point to work from. Living in the past and dysfunction are very related in a cause and effect dynamic.

To answer your question. It is where your focus is.

[BabaRa]

Most dwell in the past, where there is no power point to work from. Living in the past and dysfunction are very related in a cause and effect dynamic.


Yes, if we could just get that. All the good books talk about the power of the NOW.

hmm, now = won .. . . . a clue!?!?!?!?!?

[modwiz]

Yes, if we could just get that. All the good books talk about the power of the NOW.

hmm, now = won .. . . . a clue!?!?!?!?!?

How about own the now and you won?

[Fred Steeves]

How about own the now and you won?

Over the nwo?

[modwiz]

Over the nwo?

Something like that. :)

[BabaRa]

How about own the now and you won?



I love it, Thanks!

and Fred, interesting observation. Yes, Own the Now and you've Won over the Nwo. Great mantra

[donk]

I was thinking about how maybe it's limiting on a subtle level: we use the same word (verbally, in English anyways) for ourselves and the organ that allows us to perceive/decide visible light

We are more than we see. Existence is more than what can be seen by eye/I

[BabaRa]

I was thinking about how maybe it's limiting on a subtle level: we use the same word (verbally, in English anyways) for ourselves and the organ that allows us to perceive/decide visible light

We are more than we see. Existence is more than what can be seen by eye/I

Very insightful, Thanks donk

I wonder about this: interfere

inter = to deposit (a dead body) in the earth or in a tomb . . synonyms = entomb, hearse, inhume, bury, lay, put away, tomb

fere sounds like: fear . . so when we interfere are we in some way entombing fear in someone.

[Eelco]

overheard the following today. (mark passio)

ARCHON = Master/ruler
Anarchon = without master/ruler
Anarchy = without masters/rulers...

Now thats a meaning hardly anyone remembers is it.

With Love
Eelco

[Eelco]

Stinkosynchromysticynism...

[donk]

I hope this is the right one, I found an interview the other day that talks of SPELLING and resonated with John Zerzan view I recently rediscovered, where symbolic language is a powerful tool of our oppression:


http://youtu.be/5ixwC6tm_Cc

[donk]

Here's a Zerzan article that had me thinking about it, it a also ties in to what I hinted at and PL picked up on (civilization = doemstication of our species) in the tent (before all the MW porn :p)

http://archive.org/stream/FuturePrimitive_821/FuturePrimitive_djvu.txt

[ronin]

words are just not words.
they are a powerful influence and our education system keeps us dumbed down to the power of word.
not only word but letters that you receive or your signature
as in signing a contract.

con tract.

only those that know the power of the word can you communicate truthfully with in their opinion.

the majority are taught babble,those who can use the word for influence or power are taught in different schools.

this is why freemans are trying to help people in the power of word in courts.

question is why do the courts use the power of word as rule,and if your not educated enough they dis miss you.
do they see the word as truth?
or a con?
if word is truth then it should be taught to all.not kept to a certain few who think they can rule by the power of word.

i am not a signature,or a letter,or a sigal that you want me to be .
i am not the being that you have have tried to condition me to be.
i am.

have you as another being have the right to con trol me?
i think not.

[BabaRa]

Here's a Zerzan article that had me thinking about it, it a also ties in to what I hinted at and PL picked up on (civilization = doemstication of our species) in the tent (before all the MW porn :p)

http://archive.org/stream/FuturePrimitive_821/FuturePrimitive_djvu.txt


Lots in that essay, donk. You could probably start many threads for discussion from it - each with a title from a chapter. But as pertains to this thread, I pulled out something.


First, I felt for some time we are creating spells, weaving webs with our words. That's why it's appropriately called "spelling" to identify the letters of a word.

And we are not simply creating spells on others, but equally on ourselves. (which is why I say we need to pay attention to how we say things and find "new"/"better" ways to talk.

But I digress. Here's what I pulled out of that very long essay. Didn't read it all. If you're aware of something else, please add. Thanks for this contribution. As I said Lots of good ideas.

Examples of Spelling with words: from donk's attachment above post #31.

Madonna, "Are We Having Fun Yet?"

"shop 'till you drop,"

New Age/computer 'empowerment',

mega-malls,

, 'green' consumption.

"Style Matters;"

"Why Ask Why?

The author adds: watching television endlessly while mocking it. Incoherence, fragmentation, relativism — up to and including the dismantling of the very notion of meaning (because the record of rationality has been so poor?); embrace of the marginal, while ignoring how easily margins are made fashionable. "The death of the subject" and "the crisis of representation."

[ronin]

Lots in that essay, donk. You could probably start many threads for discussion from it - each with a title from a chapter. But as pertains to this thread, I pulled out something.


First, I felt for some time we are creating spells, weaving webs with our words. That's why it's appropriately called "spelling" to identify the letters of a word.

And we are not simply creating spells on others, but equally on ourselves. (which is why I say we need to pay attention to how we say things and find "new"/"better" ways to talk.

But I digress. Here's what I pulled out of that very long essay. Didn't read it all. If you're aware of something else, please add. Thanks for this contribution. As I said Lots of good ideas.

Examples of Spelling with words: from donk's attachment above post #31.

Madonna, "Are We Having Fun Yet?"

"shop 'till you drop,"

New Age/computer 'empowerment',

mega-malls,

, 'green' consumption.

"Style Matters;"

"Why Ask Why?

The author adds: watching television endlessly while mocking it. Incoherence, fragmentation, relativism — up to and including the dismantling of the very notion of meaning (because the record of rationality has been so poor?); embrace of the marginal, while ignoring how easily margins are made fashionable. "The death of the subject" and "the crisis of representation."

hat is mind control.not the power of word.
the two are different.
mind control is on a larger scale to than that of the power of word to a individual.
take the letters that arrive through your door.

bills.
be ill.
worry about that bill.
it,s all down to control and loosh.

what i would like to see is how we can use words to empower us.
if they can use it to control and enslave us then we must invert(?) their word and turn it back.

[BabaRa]

what i would like to see is how we can use words to empower us.
if they can use it to control and enslave us then we must invert(?) their word and turn it back.

My opinion: Awareness. Once one is aware of phrasing for mind control - don't repeat or buy into. Perhaps ignoring them is the best way to siphon off their power. I'm not sure "a war of the words" is the answer.

Also be aware of how we say things.

Examples:
I'm sick and tired of: You fill in the blank

My spouse/kids/co-workers are a pain in the *ss

Nothing good ever happens to me

I'm not getting enough you fill in the blank

How are we programming ourselves with our own spelling.

[modwiz]

My opinion: Awareness. Once one is aware of phrasing for mind control - don't repeat or buy into. Perhaps ignoring them is the best way to siphon off their power. I'm not sure "a war of the words" is the answer.

Also be aware of how we say things.

Examples:
I'm sick and tired of: You fill in the blank

My spouse/kids/co-workers are a pain in the *ss

Nothing good ever happens to me

I'm not getting enough you fill in the blank

How are we programming ourselves with our own spelling.

Deeply, until we become aware of it and, most importantly, choose do act upon that awareness. The most potent acts take place in consciousness. That leads to choices more wisely considered.

[donk]

That's actually a book of essays, and I thought only the first (the title track, as it were) were there. While I do recommend the entire book, the first is great...to me it's like a grown up version of Daniel Quinn's Ishmael, taking it a little bit further. Point I wanted to bring up is that abstract stuff we create has the potential of huge loosh dumpage...which symbolic language captures and is used to control our environment...which "naturally" leads to the control of others (hence: civilization)

Prior to writing, humans were exactly the same physiologically, but look what happened, they lived for millions of years, in tune with nature. We are almost another species, living mostly in a reality of our own creation, and it looks like we're heading for Atlantis/lemuria/Aztec/inca fate...in just an infinitismal fraction of the time

[modwiz]

That's actually a book of essays, and I thought only the first (the title track, as it were) were there. While I do recommend the entire book, the first is great...to me it's like a grown up version of Daniel Quinn's Ishmael, taking it a little bit further. Point I wanted to bring up is that abstract stuff we create has the potential of huge loosh dumpage...which symbolic language captures and is used to control our environment...which "naturally" leads to the control of others (hence: civilization)

Prior to writing, humans were exactly the same physiologically, but look what happened, they lived for millions of years, in tune with nature. We are almost another species, living mostly in a reality of our own creation, and it looks like we're heading for Atlantis/lemuria/Aztec/inca fate...in just an infinitismal fraction of the time

What book? What are we referencing?

[donk]

Future Primitive by John Zerzan. It is a book of essays by a dude so anti authority/civilization that "anarchist" would probably bug him as a label. The link I posted is the whole book...I thought it was just the first essay/chapter (which is named Future Primitive)