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Calabash
28th December 2013, 23:35
What's going on here then? Within days of being accused by the Bulgarian President that he is pandering to nationalists over the immigration debacle (there are no effing jobs Mr Plevneliev), David Cameron appears to be growing a pair by standing up to a Brussels summit. He'll be saying cobblers" to Angela Merkel next (if only he would).

On a serious note, I wonder why he has taken this stance. Anybody . . .?


David Cameron tells a Brussels summit that "it isn't right" for the EU to have its own army and air force

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David Cameron has blocked plans for European Union owned military forces and told a summit of Europe's leaders that Nato is the "bedrock" of defence in Europe.

The Prime Minister has told a Brussels summit that there can be no question of British support for proposals from Baroness Ashton and the European Commission for the EU to run its own military.

"It makes sense for nation states to co-operate over matters of defence to keep us safer," he said. "But it isn't right for the European Union to have capabilities, armies, air forces and all the rest of it. We need to get that demarcation right."

Diplomats told the Daily Telegraph that Mr Cameron personally intervened to ensure that references to "Europe's armed forces" were removed from a draft EU summit communique on defence cooperation.

A recent report by Lady Ashton's EU External Action Service revealed that work had already begun on モremotely piloted aircraft systems", known as drones.
The drones will be known as Males, standing for "Medium Altitude Long Endurance" and under commission proposals would have been "directly purchased, owned and operated by the Union" along with military aircraft.

"There can be no question of the Commission owning dual-use military capabilities such as drones. Defence kit must be nationally owned and controlled and that should be clear to everyone," said a British diplomatic source.

Anders Fogh Rasmussen, the Nato secretary-general, attended the talks at Mr Cameron's request and backed him by insisting that there could be no question of military assets being owned by the EU, or the Alliance.

"Nato will remain the bedrock of Euro-Atlantic security," he said. "This is not about creating a European army. I am not talking about Nato or the EU possessing its own military capabilities. Iメm talking about nations investing in much needed capabilities. European nations need to invest."

During a "heated" summit debate, Martin Schulz, the speaker of the European Parliament called for the creation of a European army.

"If we wish to defend our values and interests, if we wish to maintain the security of our citizens, then a majority of MEPs consider that we need a headquarters for civil and military missions in Brussels and deployable troops," he said.

Geoffrey Van Orden MEP, the Conservative spokesman on European defence, said that the prime minister had "turned the tide on an EU army". "It's been a long haul to get to this position," he said.

Britain has blocked EU proposals, backed by France, Spain, Italy, Poland and Germany, that would have paved the way for developing a new fleet of unmanned surveillance drones and a European Air Force comprised of heavy transport and air-to-air refuelling planes.

Seikou-Kishi
29th December 2013, 03:36
He's probably part of a "gently-gently" mechanism. Somebody can propose the idea and the supposed Eurosceptics, like Cameron, who really support a European federation, can pretend to oppose it. That way, the idea is "out there" but they haven't acted so quickly that people will out-right revolt. Then, when it eventually happens, they can hark back to this suggestion and act as though we'd known about it for ages and since nobody really complained at the time, people must really have wanted it.

Spiral
29th December 2013, 07:34
^^^ Thats the long answer, the short one is UKIP

BabaRa
29th December 2013, 17:54
^^^ Thats the long answer, the short one is UKIP

For one not up on Twitter-talk. What is UKIP?

Seikou-Kishi
29th December 2013, 18:00
UKIP is a political party in the UK. The United Kingdom Independence Party.

Calabash
29th December 2013, 20:10
Just for Barbara and our American friends who might not have heard of UKIP, here is their leader, Nigel Farage, in action in Brussels last September:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urIdnpb5sRc

and again giving Tony Blair some stick a few years ago:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2smnjWtuNU

As you will see, Nigel Farage is very plausible and if I still voted then I would (probaby) give him a chance. BUT once in power, the reality would (probably) be very different . . . . Now that UK is part of Europe we are arguably ruled by Angela Merkel anyway and so any UK government is really no government at all.