Such is Love

[Cearna]

Cause and effect aren't really the words to use, the realistic words to use are “The way of all Flesh”.

These are words written in past times on walls, to be felt or seen or heard, as words to be pondered upon. The life signs of the now say we need to move on to love, these are wisdom of ages, but need they still not be challenged in open discussion as to what kind of love, or whose to get it , or whose to give it, or is this just stupid, because all we ever wanted was the love we feel in our hearts.

To down tools, saying all there is is love, was the statement of the first to realise that love imminently was all there is, but to use it now as the finalised, strict lifetime need, is the wrong use of words. The judgements of one person over who loves you or doesn't, comes from life experience. To ask the first one you meet, “Are you really loved”? Would realise so much emotion, that you would need to heal yourself after speaking to some one, who believed they were not loved by their family.

The kindest way to explain unconditional love, would be to say that if you are loved without the need to open your own heart back, is to be loved, by your own self, first and foremost for in that, is the purest love of all – that doesn't require you to spend money, or give of yourself or spend time with yourself. Then no one else has to keep the need to you love in order to survive.

The farthest from unconditional love is to need the father and mother of yourself to love you, no matter when or how or why, yourself gave them so much heartache, that it became each day the first or last thing in their own lives to keep inside themselves, the fury, that what you did will remain forever as the lost love, you had no need to lose. Their own love was so deep, that up till then, it wasn't possible for them to stop loving you.

We feed love to ourselves, in ways so often not noticed. The finest love of all challenges no one to comprehend the need to give it to you, IT IS, that's what love is. The attitude that, not ever will I love you, till you show me what yours is, is why we don't listen to ourselves, so that we will know how much that person loves me is the first and foremost thing to bring to our own realisation of our own self worth.

Now we need to love some one for themselves alone. Does it matter the circumstances under which they live, or care about themselves, they are someone able to give you love, but not under the banner of unless you are nice to me, will I return the favour; or I'll love you when you stop being the prize twit; or when I feel I might need you – the list goes on.

Have yourself begin to see in Mongoloid children, not the unfortunate family of them, but instead the living hope of love everlasting in someone incapable of choosing to love or not, they are always just themselves, unless ill-treated, and that is what we are as well, the result of ill treatment or everlasting love, which is it to be for you??

[BabaRa]

My Ponderings: Most humans are "looking" for love in all the wrong places (as the song lyrics go).

Love isn't out there, somewhere, waiting for us.. . . It's in our hearts, we generate it. And it's only completely lasting and fulfilling if there is no judgement - no strings attached.

No expectations = no disappointments.

[Spiral]

It seems to me that when people are "looking for love" they are looking to have a very deep set of needs met that are very poorly understood by the person with the needs, if at all.

How many psychological, emotional & societal problems arise from this vast abyss of ignorance ?

The things we will do as individuals to avoid looking at this head on is mind blowing, this deep primal painful need, this blind spot that we expect the perfect "other" to fulfill, to appease, to quieten.

No wonder there are so many divorces, no mortal can fill that need, it requires something else, something beyond & something within, it is not the "other" who break our heart, its our unjust expectations, expectations often placed there by others or learnt by imitation as an infant, unless of course one arrives here with "it", the sense of "missing".

[The One]

How true are these lyrics


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=WpYeekQkAdc

[Moonlight]

Have yourself begin to see in Mongoloid children, not the unfortunate family of them, but instead the living hope of love everlasting in someone incapable of choosing to love or not, they are always just themselves, unless ill-treated, and that is what we are as well, the result of ill treatment or everlasting love, which is it to be for you??


http://youtu.be/Xow2gnVTUjs

[Cearna]

It seems to me that when people are "looking for love" they are looking to have a very deep set of needs met that are very poorly understood by the person with the needs, if at all.

How many psychological, emotional & societal problems arise from this vast abyss of ignorance ?

The things we will do as individuals to avoid looking at this head on is mind blowing, this deep primal painful need, this blind spot that we expect the perfect "other" to fulfill, to appease, to quieten.

No wonder there are so many divorces, no mortal can fill that need, it requires something else, something beyond & something within, it is not the "other" who break our heart, its our unjust expectations, expectations often placed there by others or learnt by imitation as an infant, unless of course one arrives here with "it", the sense of "missing".

Oh Spiral!!!! you hit the nail on the head here. One year I had plenty of time to spare, so I booked in to many seminars on relationships during a mind, body, spirit festival. I was just at the beginning of a relationship just then, and had only been really working with Ivan for a short while. I found the whole thing very confusing, but Ivan explained to me that he would help me to understand what was going on, not just with this relationship, but with any relationship I had with friends, family and work mates. I had until that time, very little to do with people at large, because my mother was very demanding on my presence and time, so people were all a question mark in spades to me (still are I suppose).

What you speak of was something taking up a great deal of the lecturers' time. They insisted that we are trying to get the "other" one to provide for us that which we are very lacking in ourselves, which can start of very well, but the continual need to fulfil that void in the other person becomes so taxing that it cannot be continually the onus on the other person, they just cannot keep it up, and then of course relationships break down. The need to have some one else be what you should be, must end in an unhealthy relationship and ends up with two unhappy souls, not just one. Hence I have since then felt that on going need to find out from my Higher Self, what is going on within myself, and possibly with the other person as well, for we might just inadvertently hit on them at a time they are going through their own crisis. I don't see this as prying into their own stuff so much as helping to clarify anything you may be doing at a bad time for them to exacerbate the problem, clarity on your own part can prevent a lot of heart break all round.

One thing I did have brought home to me, is that if in a relationship, one person has in fact done a lot of work on themselves, and reached a greater sense of being able to live with others in a more loving relationship, and the other one has not reached that level (if that is what you can call it), the one who is can I say "more advanced" will be the one who in the end can be more hurt than the other one. thus the need to continually share and take part in an ongoing process is the most advisable. You know I was taught a very valuable lesson by the Arab man I met at this time.

As you can imagine with a western woman and a male Islamic, there were many time when East didn't meet west too well, even though he had spent time living in Denmark. I would need to have one of those very heart to heart talks, and would tell him in advance. When he found the time, he would arrive sometimes with a friend to be the go between, and we would sit facing one another to talk it out. We would take however long it took, sometimes several hours, neither was to get excited or raise their voice, but the important thing was not to blame or cast the first stone, instead we had to be completely honest and try in every way possible to work out a solution that not only suited each other, but sometimes the friend as well, who usually pointed out where we both had to look a bit differently in the situation. These friends had decided I had a "white heart" and therefore thought we could be together amicably. So once again comes in my logo statement - Together towards light and love.

[Cearna]

Thank you moonlight, I've just had time to watch before Christmas dinner, that was something special!!

[Tribe]

My Ponderings: Most humans are "looking" for love in all the wrong places (as the song lyrics go).

Love isn't out there, somewhere, waiting for us.. . . It's in our hearts, we generate it. And it's only completely lasting and fulfilling if there is no judgement - no strings attached.

No expectations = no disappointments.

Spot on sister ! :) xx

[Cearna]

The joint responsibility, every one without question, is to know what their body holds onto. The job of every one is to relate to your body as if contains what you are, rather than “Who am I”.

You are very complex, to believe in the idea that forever I will be me, may turn out to be not completely true, for the mind has no way to compensate for you, what that complexity is. We feel, see and hear within a limitless capacity, but the mind has no total recall to help us to adjust to all the many socialisations of which we really are capable, but not so capable as to know what love is or who loves us or ever why yourself wants to love some one and not another.

These are your Soul Tasks. Heaps of us want to love with all our heart, yet the heart knows only to pull or push blood to the rest of the body. SO, I hear you say, “That's not Truth, my heart is where I feel the love”. That's not so, because all of the body wants to feel that love – it is glowing in readiness for that precious feeling of love rushing through your Soul. What the heck am I saying now – I am not only saying you are love personified, your are worth every some one's love for you, because to feel love, you are so often taken for granted on this – but your Soul knows the feeling it is to you and if genders may seem mostly so different, the feel of love is the same for one or other in your life.

That's what love wants to be for all of every one ever created, no matter the fuss made of who can love whom. There are rules abounding about the joy of love, but who can tell you who to love and who not to love, for it is the act of nonsense to allow or not to allow the feelings how to be or not. Look at the first on Earth, did they love Mother Earth – no, suppose not, but over some lifetimes of living on Earth as man or woman, the fears come in to wrack yourself in life experiences and that is what then allows love in or not.

Life gets to be God or in some cases not God, but whoever seems to exist to heal or not heal you – that's what spent love is, the ability to spend time on roles given to make love become all and more than that, the ability to overcome adversity to join or not join the wheel of life.

If you ever wanted to know where your Soul sits on or in you, take a good look at the fondness we have for all things pertaining to the heart. Where the Soul sits is underneath the focal point of the joints that you believe is where your heart is, for your Soul is not in the heart it is above the job doer of all the effort to live or not live now (the heart).

Your Soul gives you the need to love, and live on, and the heart lets you do what the Soul wants you to do. When it is time not to live on, you will begin to feel heart aches over what wasn't done, because all yourself gave out, was the need to be loved or the need to go on loving even more than the heart is capable of letting you live for now.

Such is the way of all flesh!!! :holysheep:

:group hug:

[shamanseeker]

Thanks Colleen! I'm just catching up on your threads and you've been really busy I must say. I'm printing them and reading them at home but I've been reading his one and it's brilliant. So true, and something we need to realise one hundred per cent or we won't progress and won't be able to help others to do the same thing. Thanks again :)

[Cearna]

You have gone through a similar process to the one I went through, and we find that to find love is to find self esteem, when we find self esteem, we begin to get the whole message that in love we fill in our woes, filling these in we find that in having no more woes, we inject in the essences of golden Soul filled days. Then we find endless others, all seeking love, and in filling in love for these people by giving them energies that love them to bits, and by doing so on forums, then the forums you are on start spreading love to one another it engenders love all over the world and guess what? Love spreads itself around instead of the gloomy, independent, giving off God knows what stark horrors, and stormy annoyances,we begin to get debates on changing over to a love filled day. Have a good day, Christine and all of you on TOT and those just looking in.