Thrive II: This is What it Takes

[Wind]

I watched the first Thrive years ago and I remember it being somewhat interesting and now this sequel is out, I'll give it a look.

"Thrive II: This is What it Takes brings viewers behind the scenes with the people and innovations that have the power to transform life for everyone. Follow a journey across the globe investigating the most promising solutions in energy, health, consciousness, and non-coercive self-organizing while unpacking the underlying science, principles, and strategies that make them possible. THRIVE II reveals compelling evidence that illustrates a new paradigm of science that Einstein was seeking, unveiling for the layperson an emerging coherent theory of the "Unified Field" and all that it implies. Inspiring trans-political, grass roots, and decentralized solutions, THRIVE II offers practical tools for reclaiming authority over our lives. From new sources of energy to breakthrough health cures, THRIVE II provides the insights and resources needed for viewers to take next steps in accessing and supporting the solutions that can truly create a world that works for everyone."

Thrive II: This is What it Takes (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nq2MCxXn3vg)

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[Aragorn]

Thrive II: This is What it Takes (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nq2MCxXn3vg)


Well, I too have watched the original "Thrive" documentary when it came out, and I've now sat through the whole 2 hours and 32 minutes of this new one, but even though there's a lot of good stuff in there, at the same time there were also several red flags going off for me. :hmm:


You really do have to watch the whole video in order to notice (and get an objective view on) their vantage and their beliefs, but I'll list some of the major red flags below.



By their own decision, their video is only watchable on YouTube, presumably because they've chosen to monetize it and because Google/YouTube then needs to track that — I cannot tell because I'm using an ad blocker, but I can see no other reason why they would willfully disable playback at other venues.


Their website is a .com domain, i.e. a commercial domain. So much for their credibility with regard to the whole Alternative™ thing.


They are in favor of free-market capitalism — but, to their credit, against corporatism.


They are anti-socialism, while they also clearly do not understand what socialism is or what its goals are. They unequivocally state that socialism means that the government controls the resources, and thus that socialism requires a government, which is false. Socialism puts the means of production into the hands of the people, and in and of itself, this does not require that there be a government — the whole punk movement of the 1970s was both socialist and anarchist at the same time. They also don't seem to understand the distinction between socialism as an ideology and the atrocities committed by allegedly socialist/communist dictators like Stalin.


They equate Hitler's National-Socialism to socialism, which it most definitely was not. Hitler's National-Socialism was fascist, because it blended government with corporatism. The SS, SA — which later on got incorporated into the SS — and Waffen SS for instance were the private paramilitary organizations of the Nazi party — itself also a private entity — and were never part of the official German military, most of whom actually despised the SS and Waffen SS.


They list Eric Dollard and Otis Carr among the scientists whose work on free energy technology was suppressed. Eric Dollard is an insane (ex-)drug addict and Otis Carr was convicted for having misappropriated substantial government subsidies.


They list David Icke and Infowars as heroes that were ostracized for exposing the New World Order™, and they refer to the Pizzagate™ hoax, albeit without explicitly naming it — they do show a picture of Jeffrey Epstein while discussing child sex trafficking.


They are anti-vaxx and anti-5G, and they are suggesting that doctors and scientists who spoke out against either have been suicided.


So, all in all, I'm very divided about what this video brings to the table, and I can't help but see some genuine Alternative Community™ hypocrisy in it. From about three quarters into the video, I had the feeling that it would absolutely belong at a venue like Project Faff-Along™, home of the Dunning-Kruger-afflicted.

Like I said, some parts of the video were interesting — they did make a very good start — but then somewhere along the line, they managed to turn what was initially a tasteful wine into vinegar. :noidea:

[Aianawa]

Was not too interested in viewing but was gonna put away till time allowed as such but Aragorn you got me desiring to watch asap due to your feelings, appears they may be up with the play as such.

[Diabolical Boids]

Well, I too have watched the original "Thrive" documentary when it came out, and I've now sat through the whole 2 hours and 32 minutes of this new one, but even though there's a lot of good stuff in there, at the same time there were also several red flags going off for me. :hmm:


You really do have to watch the whole video in order to notice (and get an objective view on) their vantage and their beliefs, but I'll list some of the major red flags below.



By their own decision, their video is only watchable on YouTube, presumably because they've chosen to monetize it and because Google/YouTube then needs to track that — I cannot tell because I'm using an ad blocker, but I can see no other reason why they would willfully disable playback at other venues.


Their website is a .com domain, i.e. a commercial domain. So much for their credibility with regard to the whole Alternative™ thing.


They are in favor of free-market capitalism — but, to their credit, against corporatism.


They are anti-socialism, while they also clearly do not understand what socialism is or what its goals are. They unequivocally state that socialism means that the government controls the resources, and thus that socialism requires a government, which is false. Socialism puts the means of production into the hands of the people, and in and of itself, this does not require that there be a government — the whole punk movement of the 1970s was both socialist and anarchist at the same time. They also don't seem to understand the distinction between socialism as an ideology and the atrocities committed by allegedly socialist/communist dictators like Stalin.


They equate Hitler's National-Socialism to socialism, which it most definitely was not. Hitler's National-Socialism was fascist, because it blended government with corporatism. The SS, SA — which later on got incorporated into the SS — and Waffen SS for instance were the private paramilitary organizations of the Nazi party — itself also a private entity — and were never part of the official German military, most of whom actually despised the SS and Waffen SS.


They list Eric Dollard and Otis Carr among the scientists whose work on free energy technology was suppressed. Eric Dollard is an insane (ex-)drug addict and Otis Carr was convicted for having misappropriated substantial government subsidies.


They list David Icke and Infowars as heroes that were ostracized for exposing the New World Order™, and they refer to the Pizzagate™ hoax, albeit without explicitly naming it — they do show a picture of Jeffrey Epstein while discussing child sex trafficking.


They are anti-vaxx and anti-5G, and they are suggesting that doctors and scientists who spoke out against either have been suicided.


So, all in all, I'm very divided about what this video brings to the table, and I can't help but see some genuine Alternative Community™ hypocrisy in it. From about three quarters into the video, I had the feeling that it would absolutely belong at a venue like Project Faff-Along™, home of the Dunning-Kruger-afflicted.

Like I said, some parts of the video were interesting — they did make a very good start — but then somewhere along the line, they managed to turn what was initially a tasteful wine into vinegar. :noidea:


It seems counterproductive to have people 'working' the unified field as a solution which I truly think is probably our only possible solution about having a better existence AND holding a bunch of ANTI anything beliefs. Unified field is really just a space, call it a mind space, of potentials and possibilities and going in there with a bunch of rigid ideas about how things are or should be is probably not going to bring very good results.

Waters will be further muddied. if they get qualified representatives that have done great UF work or study and toss them into the mix to prop up something that isn't much of anything at all. There's lots of examples of people working singly or multiples in the field and the results they get is really mind blowing. To the extent its not even rare or uncommon. And its literally an unimpeded way forward if people can just hold the course and do the work either for themselves or collectively. I've always wanted to know people like that in person since its a subject of personal interest to me, instead of just being included as another example in another view about unified field theory.

[Emil El Zapato]

Never new what to think, never watched either but will try it. Based on what Aragorn said, I might just get angry... :)

[Wind]

Well, I too have watched the original "Thrive" documentary when it came out, and I've now sat through the whole 2 hours and 32 minutes of this new one, but even though there's a lot of good stuff in there, at the same time there were also several red flags going off for me. :hmm:

I appreciate you taking the time watching through it, I didn't realize it was that long.

I managed to watch the first 20 minutes last night and decided to watch the rest later.

However, I was wondering if it would have any kooky ideas and assumed it probably would.

Maybe I'll just briefly glance through the interesting parts. Perhaps The Venus Project was more viable?


They are anti-socialism, while they also clearly do not understand what socialism is or what its goals are. They unequivocally state that socialism means that the government controls the resources, and thus that socialism requires a government, which is false. Socialism puts the means of production into the hands of the people, and in and of itself, this does not require that there be a government — the whole punk movement of the 1970s was both socialist and anarchist at the same time. They also don't seem to understand the distinction between socialism as an ideology and the atrocities committed by allegedly socialist/communist dictators like Stalin.


I really wish people would educate themselves on socialism and especially on Social democracy. Socialism has such a bad reputation especially in brainwashed US, but it's really not communism. At least it's not that here in Scandinavia. Also people should educate themselves more on what Marx really said instead of just always believing what the talking heads are saying about "cultural Marxists". Even Jordan Peterson doesn't seem to understand what that means and makes himself look like a fool and he is a very intelligent man.

[Emil El Zapato]

I would be very inclined to consider Peterson a fool... period. :)

[Wind]

I would be very inclined to consider Peterson a fool... period. :)

Oh I'm sure you would. I know that just only the name is enough to aggravate you. :)

[Emil El Zapato]

Oh I'm sure you would. I know that just only the name is enough to aggravate you. :)

lol, well, you win in the end because I'm going to watch both Thrives tonight. :)

[Wind]

lol, well, you win in the end because I'm going to watch both Thrives tonight. :)

I'm interested to hear what you thought about them. At least the first one had some convincing footage about the crop circles!

[Aianawa]

It seems counterproductive to have people 'working' the unified field as a solution which I truly think is probably our only possible solution about having a better existence AND holding a bunch of ANTI anything beliefs. Unified field is really just a space, call it a mind space, of potentials and possibilities and going in there with a bunch of rigid ideas about how things are or should be is probably not going to bring very good results.

Waters will be further muddied. if they get qualified representatives that have done great UF work or study and toss them into the mix to prop up something that isn't much of anything at all. There's lots of examples of people working singly or multiples in the field and the results they get is really mind blowing. To the extent its not even rare or uncommon. And its literally an unimpeded way forward if people can just hold the course and do the work either for themselves or collectively. I've always wanted to know people like that in person since its a subject of personal interest to me, instead of just being included as another example in another view about unified field theory.

Feel the SOC is doing xstreamly well atm , from viewin n xspirencing, sorta imo gotta or will, go that way one way or another., self organinising collective.

[Aragorn]

Feel the SOC is doing xstreamly well atm , from viewin n xspirencing, sorta imo gotta or will, go that way one way or another., self organinising collective.

Do not confuse the extreme polarization in society and the blind jumping onto trains — whichever way they go, because both directions are picking up lots of passengers — with the wisdom to self-determinate, Little Hobbit. It may look like self-organizing to you, but it's just more of the same unquestioning herd mentality.

Just because people proclaim themselves to be Alternative™ — and even believe themselves to be — doesn't mean that they are. :eyebrows:

[Aianawa]

Mmmm think there is only two ends to a stick, maybe this SOC be a branch , ? yes , self organising may imo mean , be. or be with, orrrr with it , it =ing whats happening, yes.

[Emil El Zapato]

The crop circles were the best of both Thrives. I still don't know what to make of this unified field thing. I found a lot of contradictory hopes and suggestions while watching II. And I didn't have the luxury of checking any of the claims made so as yet undecided and will likely remain that way. One thing really struck me though, way too much propaganda screwing the whole thing up.

[Aragorn]

One thing really struck me though, way too much propaganda screwing the whole thing up.

That was one of the things that turned me off as well. I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed.

[Aianawa]

Gosh imo your all doin exstreamlee well, have not watched yet, school holydays lol.

[Emil El Zapato]

That was one of the things that turned me off as well. I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed.

yes, it was conspiracy laden and that was one of the biggest contradictions. One can't be positive and yet blame the 'deep state' at the same time. PA is a prime example of how that double-bind mentality will make one loopy (difficult). I did the think the wife, though she didn't have much room to express it was the much healthier of the two. If she could have, I suspect she would have been giving her husband the 'side-eye'.

[Diabolical Boids]

The crop circles were the best of both Thrives. I still don't know what to make of this unified field thing. I found a lot of contradictory hopes and suggestions while watching II. And I didn't have the luxury of checking any of the claims made so as yet undecided and will likely remain that way. One thing really struck me though, way too much propaganda screwing the whole thing up.

Unified field is a seemingly contradictory place. It's an not a place of senses or feeling. Nor of hope. It's just space. A place of suggestions, or potentials and possibilities. It's nothing, and you go there to be nobody, no identification, you go there just to be a thought or an awareness Matter is created from nothing so you have to be no place and be nobody to create from. So yeah I can totally see why someone would have a hard time sorting it out here, in a conscious state of mind which is a place of senses, feelings, bias, subjective scrutiny. You can't look at or experience the UF from here. I could tell you how to experience UF but I couldn't tell you anything beyond that because that is your space within that field, not mine. Even mine doesn't same the same or operate the way I think it will but it does works ...then, now, later, after the fact, before the fact. It's already happened before you thought of it, etc. It's interesting but not someplace I want to go in a state of usual consciousness with everyday waking brainwave activity even if that were possible. Half the time I can't remember being there anyway.

In the end its going to be based on your own experience and what you do within the unified field, not what other people are thinking doing or feeling out here in the un-unified field.

[Emil El Zapato]

Unified field is a seemingly contradictory place. It's an not a place of senses or feeling. Nor of hope. It's just space. A place of suggestions, or potentials and possibilities. It's nothing, and you go there to be nobody, no identification, you go there just to be a thought or an awareness Matter is created from nothing so you have to be no place and be nobody to create from. So yeah I can totally see why someone would have a hard time sorting it out here, in a conscious state of mind which is a place of senses, feelings, bias, subjective scrutiny. You can't look at or experience the UF from here. I could tell you how to experience UF but I couldn't tell you anything beyond that because that is your space within that field, not mine. Even mine doesn't same the same or operate the way I think it will but it does works ...then, now, later, after the fact, before the fact. It's already happened before you thought of it, etc. It's interesting but not someplace I want to go in a state of usual consciousness with everyday waking brainwave activity even if that were possible. Half the time I can't remember being there anyway.

In the end its going to be based on your own experience and what you do within the unified field, not what other people are thinking doing or feeling out here in the un-unified field.

That makes sense, I'm thinking I've been there for quite some time, though migraines detract from the wonderfullness of it. :)

[Diabolical Boids]

That makes sense, I'm thinking I've been there for quite some time, though migraines detract from the wonderfullness of it. :)

Maybe fix those migraines next time you are there? ;) Then you can enjoy it more.

[Octopus Garden]

I assume that anybody making a film that screws up political definitions this badly, will get many other elements wrong as well. The New Age movement is rife with grifters trying to make money by promoting what has the 'feel' of love and peace and novel solutions to global problems. In the end, if they are politically or ideologically rigid, I can't give them my time.

There can be no peace, love, under economic and political structures that support end stage corporate capitalism, imo.

[Emil El Zapato]

I assume that anybody making a film that screws up political definitions this badly, will get many other elements wrong as well. The New Age movement is rife with grifters trying to make money by promoting what has the 'feel' of love and peace and novel solutions to global problems. In the end, if they are politically or ideologically rigid, I can't give them my time.

There can be no peace, love, under economic and political structures that support end stage corporate capitalism, imo.

yeah, it was a mixed bag. My head has been banging migraines lately (no doubt coffee is causing them) but I really left that video not even being able to hate it because it was swinging philosophically pole-to-pole by my reckoning. It left me thinking, "hunh?"

I am curious though what you mean about end stage capitalism because even that can be good or bad. Capitalism spelled freedom to be creative is a good thing, but Capitalism for exploitation should be struck by lightning. Money is the root of all evil and leaves a chasm like void for a solution where it is not needed.

[Octopus Garden]

yeah, it was a mixed bag. My head has been banging migraines lately (no doubt coffee is causing them) but I really left that video not even being able to hate it because it was swinging philosophically pole-to-pole by my reckoning. It left me thinking, "hunh?"

I am curious though what you mean about end stage capitalism because even that can be good or bad. Capitalism spelled freedom to be creative is a good thing, but Capitalism for exploitation should be struck by lightning. Money is the root of all evil and leaves a chasm like void for a solution where it is not needed.

End stage capitalism is defined by money and power being concentrated at the top of a pyramid through oligopoly. As in, when corporations grow large enough to edge out new competition--and they manage to do it with the help of governments that they control, by quasi-legal means.

For example, anti-trust law and anti-competition laws are ignored. And oligopolies (a few big players, not just one) can do end runs around laws that regulate monopolies, so, in effect, they can operate with all the freedom and control as a monopoly but without proper oversight.

It's not by chance that life has become so unfair and such a hard grind for a majority of the population. It's also not a left/right issue. It's politically bipartisan and a top versus bottom problem. Also, not confined to the U.S.

Btw, Biden, regardless of most of what he claims, has done nothing to curtail this. By breaking the rail strike, he has shown the world and his cronies that he doesn't support unions. Unions were able to offset some of the unfairness in this system, in days gone by. There could be a return yet, to strong union influence. Let's hope.

If not...I don't know. The idiots at the top of the pyramid will have hung themselves, as they require consumers to keep the game going and people are becoming more and more poverty stricken.

Marx describes it very well.

[Emil El Zapato]

End stage capitalism is defined by money and power being concentrated at the top of a pyramid through oligopoly. As in, when corporations grow large enough to edge out new competition--and they manage to do it with the help of governments that they control, by quasi-legal means.

For example, anti-trust law and anti-competition laws are ignored. And oligopolies (a few big players, not just one) can do end runs around laws that regulate monopolies, so, in effect, they can operate with all the freedom and control as a monopoly but without proper oversight.

It's not by chance that life has become so unfair and such a hard grind for a majority of the population. It's also not a left/right issue. It's politically bipartisan and a top versus bottom problem. Also, not confined to the U.S.

Btw, Biden, regardless of most of what he claims, has done nothing to curtail this. By breaking the rail strike, he has shown the world and his cronies that he doesn't support unions. Unions were able to offset some of the unfairness in this system, in days gone by. There could be a return yet, to strong union influence. Let's hope.

If not...I don't know. The idiots at the top of the pyramid will have hung themselves, as they require consumers to keep the game going and people are becoming more and more poverty stricken.

Marx describes it very well.

It is an unusual situation for Biden, perhaps, with the supply chain business and all that. The railroad industry has been traditionally very well paid. In my hometown (and many friends) the jobs were considered elite.

Perhaps, no excuse but life plays tricks on us mercilessly. Remember that Reagan was solely responsible for killing unions. Incidentally, I have always been pro unions, I belonged to one for 10 years.

[Octopus Garden]

The union employees aren't paid that well, have limited sick time and are forced to work over time, like it or not. It's kind of hazardous.

[Wind]

The New Age movement is rife with grifters trying to make money by promoting what has the 'feel' of love and peace and novel solutions to global problems. In the end, if they are politically or ideologically rigid, I can't give them my time.

There can be no peace, love, under economic and political structures that support end stage corporate capitalism, imo.

You are aware that the couple behind this doc are Foster and Kimberly Carter Gamble as in Procter & Gamble?

They of course have benefited a lot from capitalism. I would agree that capitalism as we know it is cancerous.

[Diabolical Boids]

It's not free market capitalism. Call it whatever, Croney Capitalism, Monopoly Capitalism, Corporate Welfare capitalism is not Capitalism anymore than the socialism described isn't socialism--power to the worker. There's plenty of capital involved in that sort of socialism. The Democrats think Biden is all about Socialism. The Biden version of socialism is the more power to the government and maybe it will feed and clothe some of most sought voting demographics until the capital runs out then there's someone to blame when that happens. I am beginning to think these attempts to 'take down America' are no longer a plot or conspiracy theory its just the people have become that devolved.

There's a funky little New Age town near me an artists haven. They all have anti capitalism bills posted over the cash registers where they are pulling in cash hand over fist and failing to see the irony of people who politely decline to purchase their goods as not to offend them (and wondering why people laugh at them) so I'm also thinking the New Age community isn't the most reliable source of what is or isn't socialism. Or capitalism.

[Emil El Zapato]

The union employees aren't paid that well, have limited sick time and are forced to work over time, like it or not. It's kind of hazardous.

Railroaders? Times have changed apparently. I had a dentist that said if he had it to do all over again, he would work for the Santa Fe railroad instead of becoming a dentist.

[Emil El Zapato]

It's not free market capitalism. Call it whatever, Croney Capitalism, Monopoly Capitalism, Corporate Welfare capitalism is not Capitalism anymore than the socialism described isn't socialism--power to the worker. There's plenty of capital involved in that sort of socialism. The Democrats think Biden is all about Socialism. The Biden version of socialism is the more power to the government and maybe it will feed and clothe some of most sought voting demographics until the capital runs out then there's someone to blame when that happens. I am beginning to think these attempts to 'take down America' are no longer a plot or conspiracy theory its just the people have become that devolved.

There's a funky little New Age town near me an artists haven. They all have anti capitalism bills posted over the cash registers where they are pulling in cash hand over fist and failing to see the irony of people who politely decline to purchase their goods as not to offend them (and wondering why people laugh at them) so I'm also thinking the New Age community isn't the most reliable source of what is or isn't socialism. Or capitalism.

No, Biden is more benign than that, his motivations are good but he falls short, of course. All societal-oriented motivations fall short because of the dominance of the Hegelian Dialectic process of back-and-forth between the right and the left.

[Aragorn]

It's not free market capitalism. Call it whatever, Croney Capitalism, Monopoly Capitalism, Corporate Welfare capitalism is not Capitalism anymore than the socialism described isn't socialism--power to the worker. There's plenty of capital involved in that sort of socialism.

And that's exactly why all efforts to create a truly socialist society have always failed. The rules — and temptations — of capitalism have always remained in the picture. And thus, it has always been armchair socialism rather than true socialism. "All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others", you know? ;)


The Democrats think Biden is all about Socialism.

No, they don't. :p If they truly thought Biden was a socialist, then instead of voting him into the White House, they would have put him on a slow boat to China, just as they did with Bernie Sanders. :p

What the Democrats do think about Biden is that he's "left-wing", or at least, along the US American definition of left-wing, and thus "a liberal". But over here in Ewwrope, liberalism is not considered a left-wing philosophy, even though most Uro-Peeing liberals are onboard with the Wokemons™.


The Biden version of socialism is the more power to the government and maybe it will feed and clothe some of most sought voting demographics until the capital runs out then there's someone to blame when that happens.

Yes, the US Democrats are all about Big Government™, and that is generally one of the reasons the average US American has the wrong idea about socialism — as did all the armchair socialists of yore for that matter, which is one of the three main reasons why socialist regimes have so far always failed to live up to their promises. The two other reasons are — as I've already mentioned, and as you yourself have also highlighted — (1) that socialist regimes have internally always retained capitalism in some form or another, and (2) that no nation on this planet can ever be 100% self-sufficient, and that as such, socialist regimes have so far always had to exist as enclaves within a global capitalist and even corporatist system.

But socialism does not require any government, because the exact model of governing any given society doesn't have anything to do with socialism. A socialist society could be anarchist, a parliamentary democracy, or technically even a dictatorship, albeit that in the latter case, the very existence of the dictator — whether it's an individual or a political party — is in direct opposition to the socialist ideal of egalitarianism.


I am beginning to think these attempts to 'take down America' are no longer a plot or conspiracy theory its just the people have become that devolved.

That's what it is, yes. And it is because of this that the right-wing began believing that it was all a conspiracy in the first place.


There's a funky little New Age town near me an artists haven. They all have anti capitalism bills posted over the cash registers where they are pulling in cash hand over fist and failing to see the irony of people who politely decline to purchase their goods as not to offend them (and wondering why people laugh at them) so I'm also thinking the New Age community isn't the most reliable source of what is or isn't socialism. Or capitalism.

The New Age community is just another bunch of airheads, with lots of woo-woo, walking with conviction into the wrong direction. ;) We're trapped between the Wokemons™ on the one hand and the Project MAGAloonies™ on the other hand. :ttr: :p

[Emil El Zapato]

Honestly politics really suck...my only interest is that people be treated equally. That's it for me. I'm easy to please. Despite what many voices claim it is easy to see when that happens and when it doesn't.

[Emil El Zapato]

And that's exactly why all efforts to create a truly socialist society have always failed. The rules — and temptations — of capitalism have always remained in the picture. And thus, it has always been armchair socialism rather than true socialism. "All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others", you know? ;)



No, they don't. :p If they truly thought Biden was a socialist, then instead of voting him into the White House, they would have put him on a slow boat to China, just as they did with Bernie Sanders. :p

What the Democrats do think about Biden is that he's "left-wing", or at least, along the US American definition of left-wing, and thus "a liberal". But over here in Ewwrope, liberalism is not considered a left-wing philosophy, even though most Uro-Peeing liberals are onboard with the Wokemons™.



Yes, the US Democrats are all about Big Government™, and that is generally one of the reasons the average US American has the wrong idea about socialism — as did all the armchair socialists of yore for that matter, which is one of the three main reasons why socialist regimes have so far always failed to live up to their promises. The two other reasons are — as I've already mentioned, and as you yourself have also highlighted — (1) that socialist regimes have internally always retained capitalism in some form or another, and (2) that no nation on this planet can ever be 100% self-sufficient, and that as such, socialist regimes have so far always had to exist as enclaves within a global capitalist and even corporatist system.

But socialism does not require any government, because the exact model of governing any given society doesn't have anything to do with socialism. A socialist society could be anarchist, a parliamentary democracy, or technically even a dictatorship, albeit that in the latter case, the very existence of the dictator — whether it's an individual or a political party — is in direct opposition to the socialist ideal of egalitarianism.



That's what it is, yes. And it is because of this that the right-wing began believing that it was all a conspiracy in the first place.



The New Age community is just another bunch of airheads, with lots of woo-woo, walking with conviction into the wrong direction. ;) We're trapped between the Wokemons™ on the one hand and the Project MAGAloonies™ on the other hand. :ttr: :p

What is wrong with big government, everybody loves it, but only Democrats admits it. In a world with over 8 billion individual souls we desperately need big government to stop corporate theft, poverty intrinsic to those not favored by society (e.g. physically or mentally handicapped individuals, the dispirited (me), to stop free exploitation, a.k.a. free enterprise, to take steps to overcome climate change deniers, to discontinue the abuse of those that are different, and yes, to stop crime. Government has more than the primary responsibility to protect its citizens (a.k.a. going to war) as the right would have it. They also have a primary responsibility to not let with impunity innocents be ground into the dirt they live on. Government responsibility is HUGE and the only social contract they need adhere to faithfully is to help citizens live a more fulfilling life. And this is the unseen mandate that the liberal abides by. I just saw a CEO say parents aren't being fair to their employers because they want better conditions like the chance to work from home. Single mothers should be able to give an employer a full day's work. I give you the conservative! I'm no fan of 'single mothers' but I would never begrudge what latitude they can squeeze out of the often self-imposed circumstance. I give you the liberal! MAGAs are insane, Wokemons are trying to improve society. And as the old saying goes, "It's all over but the shoutin'!" The Wokemons will win this war only because society will eventually rise to their level but in a new and improved fashion that eases the pain of being human. It is the nature of nature. Those that don't understand that this is a fundamental aspect of life will have to be drug kicking and screaming across the line of the future.

[Diabolical Boids]

What is wrong with big government, everybody loves it, but only Democrats admits it. In a world with over 8 billion individual souls we desperately need big government to stop corporate theft, poverty intrinsic to those not favored by society (e.g. physically or mentally handicapped individuals, the dispirited (me), to stop free exploitation, a.k.a. free enterprise, to take steps to overcome climate change deniers, to discontinue the abuse of those that are different, and yes, to stop crime. Government has more than the primary responsibility to protect its citizens (a.k.a. going to war) as the right would have it. They also have a primary responsibility to not let with impunity innocents be ground into the dirt they live on. Government responsibility is HUGE and the only social contract they need adhere to faithfully is to help citizens live a more fulfilling life. And this is the unseen mandate that the liberal abides by. I just saw a CEO say parents aren't being fair to their employers because they want better conditions like the chance to work from home. Single mothers should be able to give an employer a full day's work. I give you the conservative! I'm no fan of 'single mothers' but I would never begrudge what latitude they can squeeze out of the often self-imposed circumstance. I give you the liberal! MAGAs are insane, Wokemons are trying to improve society. And as the old saying goes, "It's all over but the shoutin'!" The Wokemons will win this war only because society will eventually rise to their level but in a new and improved fashion that eases the pain of being human. It is the nature of nature. Those that don't understand that this is a fundamental aspect of life will have to be drug kicking and screaming across the line of the future.

Criminy can't they find something better to love? Like themselves. The government doesn't love them. It isn't concerned with our health, or our spirituality. And their solutions are so...yecch. Mediocre. The same ground trod over to no good effect for how long?

I find this obsession with the government taking care of them a kind of self-loathing, a detachment from self. There's so much self loathing in the world and particularly in politics. And literally its making people sick. Me included.

I just got to say this, put this out there since these Thrive type discussions and their involvement with the UF always end up derailed by politics and other hate artifacts.

Last month I just got a really bad DX, a state 3 nearly stage 4 boo boo.

Some people may call it the C word; I called it me internalizing self-loathing and not necessarily my own. It's like a constant diet of hate out there and unless you crawl under a rock you are just bombarded with it. I don't believe in cancer but i know hate exists and the two are entwined. Show me a genetic cancer and I will show you an emotion that has caused the body so much stress its chemically altering DNA. In all of us. And we are doing it to ourselves. I blame politics for us dumping so much hate out there and pretending one party or person is better than the other to excuse our addiction to hate and self loathing.

I do admit to it being very scary because I do believe in emotional toxicity and what dumping so much hate into the field does to us sensitive creatures. I can manage my own emotions but I cannot manage the emotions that everyone is constantly dumping into the environment. I can't change them so I have to change me. I can't pry the poison way but I can refuse to absorb it and replace it with healthier stuff.

Using that UF theory which these Thrive type movies really need to be centered on, I'm a month out from that DX. In that time the DX has been rolled back in spite of all the confirming tests, the scans, the MRIs, the biopsies. As of this am, the post op biopsy was a Stage 1 even though the symptoms and size the day of my surgery last week in no way resembled Stage 1.

As of today I am still a day shy of that initial DX and I'm boo boo free.

After a month.

In one month, from nearly stage 4 to dis-ease free.

This UF stuff does not eff around. I had to stop effing around.

We need to stop effing around. All of us.

Stop effing around ;)

[Wind]

Honestly politics really suck...my only interest is that people be treated equally. That's it for me.

That's what I'm all about too. How hard can it really be?

[Diabolical Boids]

That's what I'm all about too. How hard can it really be?

It's super hard when people don't understand equality or what equality is. It's not an entitlement, but it's treated as such, its not something the government can give you but it's treated as such. In part it comes from within. Even people who bend over backwards to prove they are not racists end up being racist or reverse racist because they can't get a grasp on what equality is. It's not deferential treatment of this group of people or that group.

How does it occur naturally? What does equality look like in nature? .

What makes you and I equal? Or me and Chuckie? Or you or anyone?

How much of it is choice?

Do you have the same talents, and abilities, IQ, emotional intelligence, same stature, muscle strength, build, agility, balance, shoe size, pant size, hair color as I do?

I am sure we don't, so what exactly makes us equal?

[Wind]

so what exactly makes us equal?

Our essence. When we meet death we will all be equal in it's eyes. The same applies to God, we are all equal children of God.

It's true that in life most of us people are never truly equal for various reasons, but as a society we should aim towards a certain kind of justice and I don't like to use the word social justice as I'm not some social justice warrior. I think treating people right matters, but it gets tricky when people start to think about governments and how much they should give or intervene in our lives. Should there be starvation? No. Should there homelesness? No. Should there be free healthcare? Yes or at least on the very minimum medical bills shouldn't bankrupt a person. Those are like the very basics of survival and equality. Why do we pay taxes for the government? So that the government can fund projects and give us back too. Taxes are being used for all kinds of nonsense, such as the immmense defence budget (https://www.visualcapitalist.com/u-s-military-spending-vs-other-top-countries/) of USA.

KgzQuE1pR1w

[Diabolical Boids]

Our essence. When we meet death we will all be equal in it's eyes. The same applies to God, we are all equal children of God.

It's true that in life most of us people are never truly equal for various reasons, but as a society we should aim towards a certain kind of justice and I don't like to use the word social justice as I'm not some social justice warrior. I think treating people right matters, but it gets tricky when people start to think about governments and how much they should give or intervene in our lives. Should there be starvation? No. Should there homelesness? No. Should there be free healthcare? Yes or at least on the very minimum medical bills shouldn't bankrupt a person. Those are like the very basics of survival and equality. Why do we pay taxes for the government? So that the government can fund projects and give us back too. Taxes are being used for all kinds of nonsense, such as the immmense defence budget (https://www.visualcapitalist.com/u-s-military-spending-vs-other-top-countries/) of USA.

KgzQuE1pR1w

Yes well death is the great equalizer which rather implies we were not equal prior to death. You bring up many good points but we are also vesting high ideals and good ideas that serve humanity to a body of people who serve themselves. There are not equal to task. How do we make them equal to the task? We can't. But we keep handing them the responsibility over and over. So we aren't equal to the task. Or are we. We are equal to the task we are just going about it the wrong way.

Justice yes, Justice to ourselves, doing justice to our selves. We don't do that. We are always chasing some vague put upon group and seeking justice for them because even though they have the same opportunities and protections as the rest of us, there's some thing they feel they are deprived of.

Equality is relative to rights. Like rights you have to respect your own equality. That is why I see people of color overcome seemingly impossible odds and they will tell you they never stopped believing in their own equality or their own right to hold their position in the world and none of it had nothing to do with the government or laws or social justice.

The inception of the US summed up what made us equal. Rights. Three specific rights. The right to life (from this came our bill of rights) liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. None of these were guaranteed. You could chase happiness your whole life and never find it but you were free to do so. We cannot have equality without freedom. Like rights equality came with responsibilities. Or you could just throw in the towel and blame someone else because you weren't equal. I don't see anyone giving the bare minimum of respect ot life these days and I don't mean babies and abortions but respecting each other's right to life, other people's freedoms and other people's pursuits of happiness.

The US has more laws about equality than any on the planet. What you can't make people do is enforce their equality. The gov offers protection for rights, it has laws to protect your equality but if you don't have it inside none of those laws or protections matter. And that is what happens most. Let's say a woman isn't being paid as much as a man. Under law she has certain protections and rights to allow her to be paid the same as a man for the same job. Yet instead she gives up, and becomes a poster child for inequality without taking any avenue to enforce and ensure she is paid equally. She complains a lot and plays victim which makes her even more unequal.

We have become a nation addicted to the feelings that come with learned helplessness and becoming a victim. Realizing how much people are addicted to these emotions like anyone else is addicted to pills, or booze, is probably the most life defining moment of my life. We are a nation of addicts. And we act like it. , But realizing that explained so much of the bat shit crazy behaviors I've seen in politics and the woke social justice warriors. They are producing chemicals and they are getting addicted to that which they produce.

[Aragorn]

What is wrong with big government, everybody loves it, but only Democrats admits it. In a world with over 8 billion individual souls we desperately need big government to stop corporate theft, poverty intrinsic to those not favored by society (e.g. physically or mentally handicapped individuals, the dispirited (me), to stop free exploitation, a.k.a. free enterprise, to take steps to overcome climate change deniers, to discontinue the abuse of those that are different, and yes, to stop crime.

The task of governing society should not lay with a political caste but with the members of society itself, via well-informed consensus arrangements, and given how many people there are, a centralized government is an ill-conceived one-size-fits-all that inevitably creates an abusive caste system. People should unite and be allowed to vote directly on individual issues in small, localized and well-informed groups, and for issues of a larger scope, multiple (or even all) local groups can work together. Every citizen should be a member of government, and government should serve every individual. It's that simple.



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Over here in Belgium, we are currently facing a bit of a political crisis — one that will with the utmost certainty never be resolved as it should — regarding the pensions and other extralegal benefits of the political caste, and even though it is not said out loud, the scandal actually involves the whole government, irrespective of what political party they're from. And that's exactly why it is not said out loud, except by a few isolated journalists and a small and still very young far-left political party — they're the ones who exposed this whole thing. Because the whole political establishment is complicit in this moral corruption that has been going on for decades already, and thus, if someone from the establishment were to speak out against the issue, then they'd also be condemning themselves, given that they've all opportunistically been riding that same wagon.

I've said it before and I'll say it again...: As a disabled person, my monthly income sits about €300 — actually, a little more than that — below the official European poverty barrier. The average politician's income is about 1000% of mine — many of them actually have a salary of an even much bigger magnitude — and half of their salary is exempt from taxes of any kind. And it doesn't end there, because then there are all the tax-deductible expenses and extralegal benefits on top of that.

So, as I've said before, change the system so that politicians are only being paid as little as what I myself and others like me have to survive of, and then see how many of them will still stay in office at that minimal income out of their alleged political idealism and service to society, versus how many of them will be quitting politics in order to find some fat-salary job with additional benefits in the private sector. I guarantee you that barring two or maybe three individuals, the entire parliament would be empty in each of the seven different governments we have in this country. And the same would be true for the mayors' offices.

A government composed of the members of a political caste is not a government by the people and for the people. It's a lucrative business and career opportunity that pretends to care about justice and fairness, and then comes up with laws that everyone must obey except for they themselves.

Lastly, Wokemons™ are not social justice warriors. They are neurotic control freaks who seek to turn their own neuroses and self-acceptance issues — the vast majority of them seemingly related to gender identity, sexual orientation and other procreation-related challenges, and the small remainder related to ethnic and/or racial issues — into laws that all other people should then be forced to observe under the threat of legal retaliation in order for the neurotics in question to be able to feel good about themselves.

I consider myself left-wing and fairly pragmatic, but even I will insist that one person's freedom ends where another person's freedom begins. And that is a concept the Wokemons™ simply don't seem to grasp.

[Wind]

And that is a concept the Wokemons™ simply don't seem to grasp.

No worries, at least in Florida Ron DeSantis is fighting the Wokemons.

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[Aragorn]

No worries, at least in Florida Ron DeSantis is fighting the Wokemons.

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Yeah, but DeSantis is a far-right pig — and that's actually an insult to pigs. :vom:

[Aianawa]

Cmon please Frank, why ?, because why ?, the snorter Santy is popular and tries to be non compliant to stupidity and wokyness, must be some joy n that ?

[Emil El Zapato]

Cmon please Frank, why ?, because why ?, the snorter Santy is popular and tries to be non compliant to stupidity and wokyness, must be some joy n that ?

Who is he helping, Aianawa.


Who is he helping, Aianawa.

Glad to see you back, Fred...I was starting to suffer existential crises without you.

[Emil El Zapato]

Criminy can't they find something better to love? Like themselves. The government doesn't love them. It isn't concerned with our health, or our spirituality. And their solutions are so...yecch. Mediocre. The same ground trod over to no good effect for how long?

I find this obsession with the government taking care of them a kind of self-loathing, a detachment from self. There's so much self loathing in the world and particularly in politics. And literally its making people sick. Me included.

I just got to say this, put this out there since these Thrive type discussions and their involvement with the UF always end up derailed by politics and other hate artifacts.

Last month I just got a really bad DX, a state 3 nearly stage 4 boo boo.

Some people may call it the C word; I called it me internalizing self-loathing and not necessarily my own. It's like a constant diet of hate out there and unless you crawl under a rock you are just bombarded with it. I don't believe in cancer but i know hate exists and the two are entwined. Show me a genetic cancer and I will show you an emotion that has caused the body so much stress its chemically altering DNA. In all of us. And we are doing it to ourselves. I blame politics for us dumping so much hate out there and pretending one party or person is better than the other to excuse our addiction to hate and self loathing.

I do admit to it being very scary because I do believe in emotional toxicity and what dumping so much hate into the field does to us sensitive creatures. I can manage my own emotions but I cannot manage the emotions that everyone is constantly dumping into the environment. I can't change them so I have to change me. I can't pry the poison way but I can refuse to absorb it and replace it with healthier stuff.

Using that UF theory which these Thrive type movies really need to be centered on, I'm a month out from that DX. In that time the DX has been rolled back in spite of all the confirming tests, the scans, the MRIs, the biopsies. As of this am, the post op biopsy was a Stage 1 even though the symptoms and size the day of my surgery last week in no way resembled Stage 1.

As of today I am still a day shy of that initial DX and I'm boo boo free.

After a month.

In one month, from nearly stage 4 to dis-ease free.

This UF stuff does not eff around. I had to stop effing around.

We need to stop effing around. All of us.

Stop effing around ;)

Well that's good to hear, I had a similar situation...and a very positive result. Better than I could have hoped for. I attribute it to prayer and divine intervention. Not my power, God's power. And government in my opinion in the physical world does the same. At a bare minimum control the killing in the streets.

I'm going off on tangents here, but we elect the people that govern us, if we elect DeSantis, Orange AntiChrist, how can we expect better.


It's super hard when people don't understand equality or what equality is. It's not an entitlement, but it's treated as such, its not something the government can give you but it's treated as such. In part it comes from within. Even people who bend over backwards to prove they are not racists end up being racist or reverse racist because they can't get a grasp on what equality is. It's not deferential treatment of this group of people or that group.

How does it occur naturally? What does equality look like in nature? .

What makes you and I equal? Or me and Chuckie? Or you or anyone?

How much of it is choice?

Do you have the same talents, and abilities, IQ, emotional intelligence, same stature, muscle strength, build, agility, balance, shoe size, pant size, hair color as I do?

I am sure we don't, so what exactly makes us equal?

Stop that, Boids...that argument is terribly disturbing to me. It's denial, facade and simply not real.

[Emil El Zapato]

Yes well death is the great equalizer which rather implies we were not equal prior to death. You bring up many good points but we are also vesting high ideals and good ideas that serve humanity to a body of people who serve themselves. There are not equal to task. How do we make them equal to the task? We can't. But we keep handing them the responsibility over and over. So we aren't equal to the task. Or are we. We are equal to the task we are just going about it the wrong way.

Justice yes, Justice to ourselves, doing justice to our selves. We don't do that. We are always chasing some vague put upon group and seeking justice for them because even though they have the same opportunities and protections as the rest of us, there's some thing they feel they are deprived of.

Equality is relative to rights. Like rights you have to respect your own equality. That is why I see people of color overcome seemingly impossible odds and they will tell you they never stopped believing in their own equality or their own right to hold their position in the world and none of it had nothing to do with the government or laws or social justice.

The inception of the US summed up what made us equal. Rights. Three specific rights. The right to life (from this came our bill of rights) liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. None of these were guaranteed. You could chase happiness your whole life and never find it but you were free to do so. We cannot have equality without freedom. Like rights equality came with responsibilities. Or you could just throw in the towel and blame someone else because you weren't equal. I don't see anyone giving the bare minimum of respect ot life these days and I don't mean babies and abortions but respecting each other's right to life, other people's freedoms and other people's pursuits of happiness.

The US has more laws about equality than any on the planet. What you can't make people do is enforce their equality. The gov offers protection for rights, it has laws to protect your equality but if you don't have it inside none of those laws or protections matter. And that is what happens most. Let's say a woman isn't being paid as much as a man. Under law she has certain protections and rights to allow her to be paid the same as a man for the same job. Yet instead she gives up, and becomes a poster child for inequality without taking any avenue to enforce and ensure she is paid equally. She complains a lot and plays victim which makes her even more unequal.

We have become a nation addicted to the feelings that come with learned helplessness and becoming a victim. Realizing how much people are addicted to these emotions like anyone else is addicted to pills, or booze, is probably the most life defining moment of my life. We are a nation of addicts. And we act like it. , But realizing that explained so much of the bat shit crazy behaviors I've seen in politics and the woke social justice warriors. They are producing chemicals and they are getting addicted to that which they produce.

The spirit is indomitable you say...Place the concept in a different context. What would you say to a five year old girl that is repeatedly raped by her stepfather? Or a ten year old abused schizophrenic boy that murders the boogie man down the street. Inequality and unfairness run rampant and no one is expected to help, no entity has a responsibility to help? People are born feeling equal and wanting equality if they aren't raised by people that had their souls crushed in their own time. Have you ever muttered the word, n*gger barely under your breath; spic, kike, fag, crip, zebra, freak. It is social animosity common to the human animal. Do not we as a species have the spiritual courage to say no, that is not right? And aren't we being unfair and treating less than equal when we don't care?

[Aianawa]

Gotta try this, how much worse are things under bidens controllers than Trumps ?.

[Emil El Zapato]

Gotta try this, how much worse are things under bidens controllers than Trumps ?.

Much better, really. But here is the rub...because of the depravity of the American MAGAs they precipitate negativity and it rains on Biden.

[Diabolical Boids]

Well that's good to hear, I had a similar situation...and a very positive result. Better than I could have hoped for. I attribute it to prayer and divine intervention. Not my power, God's power. And government in my opinion in the physical world does the same. At a bare minimum control the killing in the streets.

I'm going off on tangents here, but we elect the people that govern us, if we elect DeSantis, Orange AntiChrist, how can we expect better.



Stop that, Boids...that argument is terribly disturbing to me. It's denial, facade and simply not real.

I'm sorry but I don't see any equality, or even tolerance in your remarks but because I find your everything is better under Biden remarks equally amazing ;);););););)we'll give each other a pass, eh?

Our power isn't God's power?

What is better? I'm not sure what DeSantis did that is so terrible other he's the conservative governor of a conservative state that was voted into office by the people of Florida. I'm not sure where the evil doing is in that? tThey seem to have gotten what they wanted. Are we really turning into Germany where we are truly indoctrinated that our fellow citizens are entirely evil and need to be subjugated and treated rudely and evilly because they don't share our politics? I see what politics has done to the woke crew, it's destroying and dehumanizing entire groups of people. If that is true then our politics need to die. It's what we are holding that needs to go, not other people.

I'm really sort of demonstrating that once the government gets a hold of equality and wrenches it from nature its disempowering and destructive. It's destructive to the people we are trying to help 'bring up in the world' like disenfranchised minorities. We need to respect equality but we need to keep it out of the hands of the government.

How did equality help Sam Brinton who was chosen for an office and a responsibility he wasn't prepared for or able to do? A diversity hire. And he was chosen for a task only because he wore a dress. I'm sure it was terribly flattering and lots of people felt that a score had been made for trans people everywhere. Until he had to resign under horribly humiliating circumstances because he was handed something he couldn't be responsible for so the government could make a point about equality which wasn't equality at all.

What does that show the haters of the world? They can nod and gloat that it all proves trans people are not fit for office. And it makes trans people, blacks, or latinos, gay people, or disabled people or wherever diversity hires exist look inept and stupid and not equal to the task because for some reason the government cannot find adept and able people among those communities when we all know they must exist. The laws of averages insist they cannot exist but they likely would not make very good political puppets.

How does that do any of those people any favors by humiliating them like that, making them look stupid and then calling it equality? It's not. Equality cannot exist once the government takes control and distorts it.


Much better, really. But here is the rub...because of the depravity of the American MAGAs they precipitate negativity and it rains on Biden.

What next? Biden saying he's not responsible because he's not really president because the election was stolen and its all the fault of the real president or the next president?


Who is he helping, Aianawa.



Glad to see you back, Fred...I was starting to suffer existential crises without you.

Shut up you aren't having a crisis.

Fred should show himself though. I'd like to know how he fared with his surgery and recovery?

[Emil El Zapato]

I'm sorry but I don't see any equality, or even tolerance in your remarks but because I find your everything is better under Biden remarks equally amazing ;);););););)we'll give each other a pass, eh?

Our power isn't God's power?

What is better? I'm not sure what DeSantis did that is so terrible other he's the conservative governor of a conservative state that was voted into office by the people of Florida. I'm not sure where the evil doing is in that? tThey seem to have gotten what they wanted. Are we really turning into Germany where we are truly indoctrinated that our fellow citizens are entirely evil and need to be subjugated and treated rudely and evilly because they don't share our politics? I see what politics has done to the woke crew, it's destroying and dehumanizing entire groups of people. If that is true then our politics need to die. It's what we are holding that needs to go, not other people.

I'm really sort of demonstrating that once the government gets a hold of equality and wrenches it from nature its disempowering and destructive. It's destructive to the people we are trying to help 'bring up in the world' like disenfranchised minorities. We need to respect equality but we need to keep it out of the hands of the government.

How did equality help Sam Brinton who was chosen for an office and a responsibility he wasn't prepared for or able to do? A diversity hire. And he was chosen for a task only because he wore a dress. I'm sure it was terribly flattering and lots of people felt that a score had been made for trans people everywhere. Until he had to resign under horribly humiliating circumstances because he was handed something he couldn't be responsible for so the government could make a point about equality which wasn't equality at all.

What does that show the haters of the world? They can nod and gloat that it all proves trans people are not fit for office. And it makes trans people, blacks, or latinos, gay people, or disabled people or wherever diversity hires exist look inept and stupid and not equal to the task because for some reason the government cannot find adept and able people among those communities when we all know they must exist. The laws of averages insist they cannot exist but they likely would not make very good political puppets.

How does that do any of those people any favors by humiliating them like that, making them look stupid and then calling it equality? It's not. Equality cannot exist once the government takes control and distorts it.



What next? Biden saying he's not responsible because he's not really president because the election was stolen and its all the fault of the real president or the next president?



Shut up you aren't having a crisis.

Fred should show himself though. I'd like to know how he fared with his surgery and recovery?

lol, i dunno, it feels like a crisis.

yeah, you're 'right', I jumped the gun on that because I was being short. In truth, it might be worse because of the backlash from the murderous and deluded MAGAs. You might not be aware of how I have spoken about my MAGA older brother. He fits the stereotype, but even he is learning in his old age which almost amazes me as he has always been a hardliner. My younger brother came over to my side a few years ago and I was never so grateful as to see that transition to full humanity. I never expected it.

Beyond that single factor it is business as usual as far as I'm concerned. The left has for all the decades I can remember tried to counter and work with the right but there has never been any compromise coming from them. They are bound and determined to keep the rest of humanity down with them.

[Diabolical Boids]

lol, i dunno, it feels like a crisis.

yeah, you're 'right', I jumped the gun on that because I was being short. In truth, it might be worse because of the backlash from the murderous and deluded MAGAs. You might not be aware of how I have spoken about my MAGA older brother. He fits the stereotype, but even he is learning in his old age which almost amazes me as he has always been a hardliner. My younger brother came over to my side a few years ago and I was never so grateful as to see that transition to full humanity. I never expected it.

Beyond that single factor it is business as usual as far as I'm concerned. The left has for all the decades I can remember tried to counter and work with the right but there has never been any compromise coming from them. They are bound and determined to keep the rest of humanity down with them.

You aren't having a crisis, the topic has sucked you into an entrenched belief system that makes it seem like you are having a crisis. See see, SEEE, didn't I tell you this shite was bad for us all. But we can work through that.

The MAGA term is flung around and everyone is painted with it when they say something that is not in step lock with someone else's belief system. So pretty soon we see Maga everywhere because people exist everywhere that are not in steplock with our belief system. I know this because I see people falling apart at the seams over some liberal-ish utterance that paints them as woke forever when they really aren't. I have gay friends apologizing all over the place and explaining they aren't woke and why should they have to do that?

Really its just that we fail to remember we aren't supposed to Hitlering the goose step to political attitudes anyway. If we want equality we need to go back to basics. Treat people the way you want to be treated, and be tolerant. Not to the point of self destruct but trying to see the other persons point of view especially if they are giving REASONS for seeing that way instead of emotions.

[Aragorn]

I'm only going to address this bit here... ↓


I'm not sure what DeSantis did that is so terrible other he's the conservative governor of a conservative state that was voted into office by the people of Florida.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFonj6o0fTI

[modwiz]

You aren't having a crisis, the topic has sucked you into an entrenched belief system that makes it seem like you are having a crisis. See see, SEEE, didn't I tell you this shite was bad for us all. But we can work through that.

The MAGA term is flung around and everyone is painted with it when they say something that is not in step lock with someone else's belief system. So pretty soon we see Maga everywhere because people exist everywhere that are not in steplock with our belief system. I know this because I see people falling apart at the seams over some liberal-ish utterance that paints them as woke forever when they really aren't. I have gay friends apologizing all over the place and explaining they aren't woke and why should they have to do that?

Really its just that we fail to remember we aren't supposed to Hitlering the goose step to political attitudes anyway. If we want equality we need to go back to basics. Treat people the way you want to be treated, and be tolerant. Not to the point of self destruct but trying to see the other persons point of view especially if they are giving REASONS for seeing that way instead of emotions.

The allegory of Plato's Cave proves its timelessness.

And, the comfortable home it provides for many.

[Emil El Zapato]

you know, that's what I'm talking about. It's weird, it just isn't normal, though like what's his name said, "to be adjusted in a dysfunctional society [(group right)] isn't a good thing."

[Emil El Zapato]

The allegory of Plato's Cave proves its timelessness.

And, the comfortable home it supplies for many.

The only caveat ostensibly is that we don't live in a methaphorical intellectual vacuum. I think, at least I believe, that I live in a hard reality. And I also think most things that people are so disturbed about are perceptions, negative perceptions, which to those predisposed dominates their worldview. From a recent book,"The rabble don't care about right or wrong, they just want to stir things up for the excitement of it."

[Aragorn]

you know, that's what I'm talking about. It's weird, it just isn't normal, though like what's his name said, "to be adjusted in a dysfunctional society [(group right)] isn't a good thing."

Except that in this case concretely, you are missing the elephant in the room, which is that it's not just the closet Nazis that are making this society dysfunctional. The Wokemons™ are just as bad. The only difference is in the way they are being bad.

The other day, I saw someone making a comment about one of the videos of the Andertons YouTube channel. I forgot what the video and the comment were about, but the comment boiled down to something along the lines of "... I either way don't have an opinion about it", and then someone else replied to that comment with a tongue-in-cheek "This is the internet. You have to have an opinion."

I thought it was very apt, and very descriptive of the world as it currently exists, i.e. things are so polarized now that the average person is constantly being dragged back and forth between two evils, both of them compelling them to make a choice without providing any reasoned substantiation as to why the innocent person must choose one over the other.

And therein lies the difference between you and I — well, one of the differences anyway — namely that you have made that choice and sided with one of the two evils because you consider it to be the lesser evil one, whereas I see both of them as evil and choose an entirely different approach, even though I do fully realize that my approach is a utopian one and can never come to fruition for as long as evil is allowed to thrive. And taking this back full circle to the makers of this video, they too have chosen one of the two evils, and they are making vague promises that allowing their kind of evil to thrive will allow other people to thrive as well.



"Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose."

(Jean-Baptiste Alphonse Karr)

[Emil El Zapato]

Except that in this case concretely, you are missing the elephant in the room, which is that it's not just the closet Nazis that are making this society dysfunctional. The Wokemons™ are just as bad. The only difference is in the way they are being bad.

The other day, I saw someone making a comment about one of the videos of the Andertons YouTube channel. I forgot what the video and the comment were about, but the comment boiled down to something along the lines of "... I either way don't have an opinion about it", and then someone else replied to that comment with a tongue-in-cheek "This is the internet. You have to have an opinion."

I thought it was very apt, and very descriptive of the world as it currently exists, i.e. things are so polarized now that the average person is constantly being dragged back and forth between two evils, both of them compelling them to make a choice without providing any reasoned substantiation as to why the innocent person must choose one over the other.

And therein lies the difference between you and I — well, one of the differences anyway — namely that you have made that choice and sided with one of the two evils because you consider it to be the lesser evil one, whereas I see both of them as evil and choose an entirely different approach, even though I do fully realize that my approach is a utopian one and can never come to fruition for as long as evil is allowed to thrive. And taking this back full circle to the makers of this video, they too have chosen one of the two evils, and they are making vague promises that allowing their kind of evil to thrive will allow other people to thrive as well.



"Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose."

(Jean-Baptiste Alphonse Karr)

I guess, but in truth my choice is irrelevant in the scheme of things...that is actually my positional view. But, I do know the difference between right and wrong, as well as, that progress is a process...step-by-step we contribute to the ascent of man. We've been trying for what now, 30-40,000 years? It is a looonnnggggg process. My argument has been that without the constant grind of the ubiquitous Hegelian Dialectic we would be much further down the road.

[modwiz]

Wokemon makes a poor worker. :shocked:


A new study revealed more than half of the business managers surveyed were forced to fire GenZ workers, citing challenges in working with this younger generation.

Resume Builder said out of the 1,344 managers and business leaders surveyed in April, a whopping 74% said, "GenZ is more difficult to work with than other generations."

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/most-business-leaders-prefer-working-millennials-over-discipline-lacking-genzers

[Aianawa]

Mmm one of many names, your younger bro came over to the other side, why ?, other bro no , why ?. IMAGINE no or a totalllly different politicks with sides and no centre, our present systems world wide, no matter religeons or clolour or pollllitics is in massive change atm, banking huge change and hugest change is human curRENTSeas, imo and forknowledge plus feels n noospheric diving, a very simple happening is happening, faster n faster, because of death n pain the unknowing walls are sliding down, outragious energies are filtering in, we are like a nighly dead tre growing bark and leaves our fruit Earths godsend, WW death rates are SKYrocketing plus dissease n pains etc and letting goes and letting bee's are causing mayhem with the old matricksy narratives, Anchors n Clearors are getting seriousely happy and working harder than ever as more light to be and or work with, man oh man watch the trickLE down affect effect all exponentialllly.

[Diabolical Boids]

I'm only going to address this bit here... ↓







https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFonj6o0fTI

It doesn't really explain why the people of Florida didn't have a right to vote for him? Nor do I know if any of it is true or just more hate porn to put the hate in sharper focus. Nor why that is even necessary to have any such channels in what is turning into a global free hate society. I wish someone would explain that to me.

[Diabolical Boids]

Wokemon makes a poor worker. :shocked:



https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/most-business-leaders-prefer-working-millennials-over-discipline-lacking-genzers

I've read a number of articles about companies trolling the ranks of the senior citizens and elderly to fill positions in a way they didn't used to before. Searching generationally for work ethics that politics has not destroyed or at least a personality tolerable to those enclosed in a confined workspace forty hours a week. The militaries are so strapped for warm bodies they are reserving their young recruits for field work and looking for older civilians to fill administrative roles.

As much as the woke of any age (and I observe wokeism isn't strictly relegated to chronological age) no matter how much they rail and scream that society is out to get them and all their fringe groups they are basically undoing themselves. No one not even their own cretaors as the Sam Brinton Saga wants them because they accrue liability. No one wants to hire them, live near them, attend school with them, play on a team with them, etc. They are basically writing themselves out of society and even out of existence and they think more stringent legislation and woke politics to protect them will make them viable.

When I say wokeism isn't confined to Gen Z I refer to the older people like at my former place of employ. In their forties and fifties, mostly female, who behave with woke mannerisms, angry that no one is noticing them and wanting to start emotional and physical acts of violence because no one is noticing them or otherwise not treating them as entitled. Of course there was the usual young woke idiocy there and there's nothing sadder than a 19 year entitled liberal progressive trying to start a fist fight with a sixty year old woman. It's radical, liberal or progressive: its Baby Huey Has Roid Rage.

And while I have observed a few woke conservatives, the stark reality is that there is one side of the political spectrum that is responsible for allowing wokeism to be conceived. Blaming wokeism on the right just makes one look foolish. As foolish as blaming the left for the moral majority. It's as destructive as people who are all bullets, boots and war.
There is no getting around the fact woke is the spoiled love child the left conceived, birthed, nurtured nearly unto the point of retardation. Ironically they can't abort the baby, or give it away, do not know how to discipline, check or rein in without risking votes.

That's what comes of everyone gets a gold star, everyone gets a medal for showing up and breathing, everyone is special, everyone's opinion matters, the state should take on the role of parenting, taking away a parent's right to discipline. I'm not sure who Gen Z hates more, themselves or the society that made them.

That is a really sad thing to allow to happen to an entire generation. A generation of lives wasted, sacrificed on an alter of political ideology.

And the MAGA kids. They'll be on the farm, behind the wheel of a tractor or casting die, earning a solid middle income, likely join a company between ages 18 to 24 and stay there the rest of their lives slowly advancing up some ordinary skilled trades job or family business. Maybe go to church, get married, have a couple of kids and the unemployable woke can sneer about how strait and bigoted and full of hate those solidly employable young adults are.

[Emil El Zapato]

Wokemon makes a poor worker. :shocked:



https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/most-business-leaders-prefer-working-millennials-over-discipline-lacking-genzers

That's nonsense. If there is any truth to that boomer fantasy it just demonstrates that my daughter is tops of many. She works harder than I ever did. Full-time job, full time student. Though I did that, I wasn't very good at it. She just keeps kicking butt.

Lack techno knowledge? This I will have to investigate. They must have been researching 3-year olds. I'm getting a headache.

Who said the next generation will bring us down? Thomas Jefferson!

[Emil El Zapato]

Mmm one of many names, your younger bro came over to the other side, why ?, other bro no , why ?. IMAGINE no or a totalllly different politicks with sides and no centre, our present systems world wide, no matter religeons or clolour or pollllitics is in massive change atm, banking huge change and hugest change is human curRENTSeas, imo and forknowledge plus feels n noospheric diving, a very simple happening is happening, faster n faster, because of death n pain the unknowing walls are sliding down, outragious energies are filtering in, we are like a nighly dead tre growing bark and leaves our fruit Earths godsend, WW death rates are SKYrocketing plus dissease n pains etc and letting goes and letting bee's are causing mayhem with the old matricksy narratives, Anchors n Clearors are getting seriousely happy and working harder than ever as more light to be and or work with, man oh man watch the trickLE down affect effect all exponentialllly.

Because they begin to see the absurdity of the rightward sub-species. They are jacked as a group, they have been ruined by their parenting and their genetics. No one wants to be part of that even when the urge is strong. And life teaches us all important lessons. And I suspect that genetic crossbreeding enters into the formula.

[Emil El Zapato]

I've read a number of articles about companies trolling the ranks of the senior citizens and elderly to fill positions in a way they didn't used to before. Searching generationally for work ethics that politics has not destroyed or at least a personality tolerable to those enclosed in a confined workspace forty hours a week. The militaries are so strapped for warm bodies they are reserving their young recruits for field work and looking for older civilians to fill administrative roles.

As much as the woke of any age (and I observe wokeism isn't strictly relegated to chronological age) no matter how much they rail and scream that society is out to get them and all their fringe groups they are basically undoing themselves. No one not even their own cretaors as the Sam Brinton Saga wants them because they accrue liability. No one wants to hire them, live near them, attend school with them, play on a team with them, etc. They are basically writing themselves out of society and even out of existence and they think more stringent legislation and woke politics to protect them will make them viable.

When I say wokeism isn't confined to Gen Z I refer to the older people like at my former place of employ. In their forties and fifties, mostly female, who behave with woke mannerisms, angry that no one is noticing them and wanting to start emotional and physical acts of violence because no one is noticing them or otherwise not treating them as entitled. Of course there was the usual young woke idiocy there and there's nothing sadder than a 19 year entitled liberal progressive trying to start a fist fight with a sixty year old woman. It's radical, liberal or progressive: its Baby Huey Has Roid Rage.

And while I have observed a few woke conservatives, the stark reality is that there is one side of the political spectrum that is responsible for allowing wokeism to be conceived. Blaming wokeism on the right just makes one look foolish. As foolish as blaming the left for the moral majority. It's as destructive as people who are all bullets, boots and war.
There is no getting around the fact woke is the spoiled love child the left conceived, birthed, nurtured nearly unto the point of retardation. Ironically they can't abort the baby, or give it away, do not know how to discipline, check or rein in without risking votes.

That's what comes of everyone gets a gold star, everyone gets a medal for showing up and breathing, everyone is special, everyone's opinion matters, the state should take on the role of parenting, taking away a parent's right to discipline. I'm not sure who Gen Z hates more, themselves or the society that made them.

That is a really sad thing to allow to happen to an entire generation. A generation of lives wasted, sacrificed on an alter of political ideology.

And the MAGA kids. They'll be on the farm, behind the wheel of a tractor or casting die, earning a solid middle income, likely join a company between ages 18 to 24 and stay there the rest of their lives slowly advancing up some ordinary skilled trades job or family business. Maybe go to church, get married, have a couple of kids and the unemployable woke can sneer about how strait and bigoted and full of hate those solidly employable young adults are.

I'm not going to read your post Boids because I know it will give me indigestion or a migraine but let me explain the philosophy behind benevolence and ingraining a sense of worth.

Most psychologists recognize and have since Freud that it is our sense of worth that moves us along the path of healthy growth to maturity. There are two mental driving paths we can follow to what our society considers 'success'. I would conjecture that you find value in the 'kick their ass so they get their shit together' method. Ok, 'if it was good enough for me, it is good enough for you'. I personally do not subscribe to that 'common wisdom'. The end product of that approach is a successful 'socially malfunctioning' human being. If you doubt that take a quick look around you. Our societies are crumbling because the vast majority of adults don't 'feel' the inherent personal dignity endowed by God and State.

Now State is a very highly debatable area for its role in treating us with dignity. I ask you, does the state, did even your parents give a sense of unconditional love that a healthy human child needs to start the journey to the light, of with luck, is at its barest a sense of peace?

I dare say, no, must of us didn't. And it is because we are ignorant, not enlightened in a human way and those that are and in a position to implement that social experiment do so. And, of course, the rest of us just scoff and say how stupid and how soft we will be. No, it doesn't make us soft, it makes us resilient because endowed with a true spirit and a true heart, we have that reserve to sustain ourselves in the inevitable times when life will reach out and kick our asses. The truly fortunate have a reserve that can sustain others as well.

We live in a completely dysfunctional subhuman culture. Is it wrong to try to ameliorate the wrongs that some can so clearly see? Incidentally, that is the strongest motivator for my Z'er.

[Emil El Zapato]

That's nonsense. If there is any truth to that boomer fantasy it just demonstrates that my daughter is tops of many. She works harder than I ever did. Full-time job, full time student. Though I did that, I wasn't very good at it. She just keeps kicking butt.

Lack techno knowledge? This I will have to investigate. They must have been researching 3-year olds. I'm getting a headache.

Who said the next generation will bring us down? Thomas Jefferson!

Ok, I gained a quick perspective here:

“Compared to other generations, I find GenZ to be highly innovative, and adaptable. They are not afraid to challenge the status quo and bring new ideas to the table. They also value authenticity and transparency and expect companies to be socially responsible and ethical,” says Adam Garfield, marketing director at Hairbro.

“However, one area where I believe GenZ could improve in the workplace is their communication skills. While they are proficient in using digital communication tools, they may lack some of the interpersonal skills required for face-to-face interactions. GenZers could benefit from developing their communication skills to build stronger relationships with colleagues and clients,” adds Garfield.

The part about challenging the status quo and lacking interpersonal skills sounds suspiciously like the young, as yet not reached full maturity and inexperienced AND/OR people that live at Project Avalon, except by choice PA'ers have gone much much farther down that rabbit hole built by a substandard rabbit. The entrances and exits were designed to connect together.

The rabbit must have been educated at the Texas A&M College of Engineering. :(

[Diabolical Boids]

Ok, I gained a quick perspective here:

“Compared to other generations, I find GenZ to be highly innovative, and adaptable. They are not afraid to challenge the status quo and bring new ideas to the table. They also value authenticity and transparency and expect companies to be socially responsible and ethical,” says Adam Garfield, marketing director at Hairbro.

“However, one area where I believe GenZ could improve in the workplace is their communication skills. While they are proficient in using digital communication tools, they may lack some of the interpersonal skills required for face-to-face interactions. GenZers could benefit from developing their communication skills to build stronger relationships with colleagues and clients,” adds Garfield.

The part about challenging the status quo and lacking interpersonal skills sounds suspiciously like the young, as yet not reached full maturity and inexperienced AND/OR people that live at Project Avalon, except by choice PA'ers have gone much much farther down that rabbit hole built by a substandard rabbit. The entrances and exits were designed to connect together.

The rabbit must have been educated at the Texas A&M College of Engineering. :(

I'm sorry that a few casual observations are rattling your cage. Perhaps you might ask yourself why those words bother you so much? I'm not criticizing you, and none of the remarks are about you, they are about political influence and institutionalized thought. They are not singling out a single person for hostility, they are directed at failed institutions like political agendas?

The evening news and crime records suffice to say that politically motivated and flavored institutions have failed children well before feminism indoctrinated women into thinking the state made a better co parent than the biological father.

I think people will always favor a flawed humanity and sometimes faulty love then a cold institutionalized agenda with overworked and jaded social workers and judges as remote parents guiding their children. I was raised in a household where abuse would have been preferable to the psychological torture I endured from my liberal feminist mother. All her kids reminded her that she wasn't really part of the insititution being without an abortion and saddled with kids and husband how could she say she was really part of the movement?
I can't say I would faired better under a state run school or juvenile home though because family extends far beyond the parents. And I'm sorry to say it that unconditional love is highly misunderstood concept when it comes to raising kids. Conditions exist in raising kids who do not behave like animals. Children are basically animals until guided by discipline and development into a place where they can begin exercising their use of reason and self respect. If that guidance is considered abuse or infringing on children then you end up with a Generation Z.

Or to say it more simply its easy to see who had a slap on the bum and who didn't.

Parents fell for politically anchored and institutionalized agenda where children must be treated equally, not on merit or success, and lacking any sort of discipline because anything that was vaguely authoritarian was considered abuse. Compare that to those mean parents who disciplined their children, and expected them to succeed on merit and that they shouldn't expect preferential treatment. I presume these are the abusive parents you are referring to that a state run institution would do better at? But we still cannot explain why those children are company and companies find a pleasure to work with.

Have we asked children who have spent their lives in state run institutions, or constructs, or where institutions have undue influence over children like inner city kids how well their lives have fared or does the evening news of fatherless children shot and killed on the street or spending their youth if not their entire life in prison not enough of an eye opener to know that institutionalized parenting doesn't work. Generation Z is an immediate example of why it doesn't.

[Emil El Zapato]

I'm sorry that a few casual observations are rattling your cage. Perhaps you might ask yourself why those words bother you so much? I'm not criticizing you, and none of the remarks are about you, they are about political influence and institutionalized thought. They are not singling out a single person for hostility, they are directed at failed institutions like political agendas?

The evening news and crime records suffice to say that politically motivated and flavored institutions have failed children well before feminism indoctrinated women into thinking the state made a better co parent than the biological father.

I think people will always favor a flawed humanity and sometimes faulty love then a cold institutionalized agenda with overworked and jaded social workers and judges as remote parents guiding their children. I was raised in a household where abuse would have been preferable to the psychological torture I endured from my liberal feminist mother. All her kids reminded her that she wasn't really part of the insititution being without an abortion and saddled with kids and husband how could she say she was really part of the movement?
I can't say I would faired better under a state run school or juvenile home though because family extends far beyond the parents. And I'm sorry to say it that unconditional love is highly misunderstood concept when it comes to raising kids. Conditions exist in raising kids who do not behave like animals. Children are basically animals until guided by discipline and development into a place where they can begin exercising their use of reason and self respect. If that guidance is considered abuse or infringing on children then you end up with a Generation Z.

Or to say it more simply its easy to see who had a slap on the bum and who didn't.

Parents fell for politically anchored and institutionalized agenda where children must be treated equally, not on merit or success, and lacking any sort of discipline because anything that was vaguely authoritarian was considered abuse. Compare that to those mean parents who disciplined their children, and expected them to succeed on merit and that they shouldn't expect preferential treatment. I presume these are the abusive parents you are referring to that a state run institution would do better at? But we still cannot explain why those children are company and companies find a pleasure to work with.

Have we asked children who have spent their lives in state run institutions, or constructs, or where institutions have undue influence over children like inner city kids how well their lives have fared or does the evening news of fatherless children shot and killed on the street or spending their youth if not their entire life in prison not enough of an eye opener to know that institutionalized parenting doesn't work. Generation Z is an immediate example of why it doesn't.

True, because frankly most people are not intelligent enough or not emotionally mature enough or not compassionate enough to raise their own children. The nature of institutions are two-fold, the informed, healthy, pro-social etc and the vast majority which aren't. Those that can help, try but invariably fail because too many simply don't understand. What do I mean by not understanding. Perhaps, intellectually I am unable to make my point, I don't speak heart so I am a bit constrained. The closest I can get is to say that as a species, how can we discuss what a successful social order is without ever having experienced it. We are locked in a vicious cycle of dysfunction.

One point though, where children are concerned, it isn't a matter of equal treatment, it is about fair and compassionate treatment. A fully finished adult is concerned about equality and fairness. Not better, not worse, equal and fair.

Unlike, individuals such as DeSantis, Trump, I wouldn't expect to be President of the United States because I am an ethically flawed being and I recognize that fact. And I feel that way despite the fact that I was always told I could be anything I wanted, so I became an asshole, no not really, I could be anything even Vice-President of the United States.

The point is that a lack of spiritual generosity obviates any effort to make us better. It is simple, basic and missing in modern culture and there are those that want to remedy that human failure and there are those that are perfectly happy the way we are. Knowing that has always been extremely painful for me. There is no other way to say it. Honest to God, too many are unreachable.

[Aianawa]

Because they begin to see the absurdity of the rightward sub-species. They are jacked as a group, they have been ruined by their parenting and their genetics. No one wants to be part of that even when the urge is strong. And life teaches us all important lessons. And I suspect that genetic crossbreeding enters into the formula.

Did you have differing parents ?, as not all your sibs think the same ?.

[Diabolical Boids]

True, because frankly most people are not intelligent enough or not emotionally mature enough or not compassionate enough to raise their own children. The nature of institutions are two-fold, the informed, healthy, pro-social etc and the vast majority which aren't. Those that can help, try but invariably fail because too many simply don't understand. What do I mean by not understanding. Perhaps, intellectually I am unable to make my point, I don't speak heart so I am a bit constrained. The closest I can get is to say that as a species, how can we discuss what a successful social order is without ever having experienced it. We are locked in a vicious cycle of dysfunction.

One point though, where children are concerned, it isn't a matter of equal treatment, it is about fair and compassionate treatment. A fully finished adult is concerned about equality and fairness. Not better, not worse, equal and fair.

Unlike, individuals such as DeSantis, Trump, I wouldn't expect to be President of the United States because I am an ethically flawed being and I recognize that fact. And I feel that way despite the fact that I was always told I could be anything I wanted, so I became an asshole, no not really, I could be anything even Vice-President of the United States.

The point is that a lack of spiritual generosity obviates any effort to make us better. It is simple, basic and missing in modern culture and there are those that want to remedy that human failure and there are those that are perfectly happy the way we are. Knowing that has always been extremely painful for me. There is no other way to say it. Honest to God, too many are unreachable.

That's quite a judgie indictment of all of humanity. No one on the planet is fit to raise kids except soulless robots?

Do you feel you would have been better off raised by robots? By a program instead of flesh and blood cause honestly these sound like the words of people who don't want to feel anything.

Are there really such things as a fairly and fully finished adult? Even here among us we must have someone with some flaws (raises hand) or did I stumble unto a nest supreme ultimate higher beings?

People, meaning people like us, miss the mark on compassion and maturity ALL THE TIME and still have been able to raise mostly functional kids, not bodies of perfection, and have been for thousands of years.

And even people who have been raised in less than desirable household situations typically carry something away from situation that others who were raised in more nurturing environments will never know or have. Adversity creates strength if you let it. I've invested a lot of self work in myself and helped others and guess what? We still miss the mark all the time, sometimes we get distracted and aren't compassionate enough, sometimes we have to address our own problems instead of the constant inflow of problems flowing in from humanity. At no point has anyone said we needed our kids taken away

My kids would kick your arse down the stairs and up again if you suggested some social programming edifice would have made a better parent than me. I would not approve of it but I had to let them learn to think for themselves.

I rather think you are basing this broad indictment of all humanity on the faults of your own parents and your own upbringing which the law of averages show is probably not the same as everyone elses.

No one leaves childhood unscathed. The only question is do you brood and curl up with it all your life or address it, heal it and move on?

[Diabolical Boids]

Did you have differing parents ?, as not all your sibs think the same ?.

I did. It's a good question. Siblings walk away from the old home place with varying perceptions of how abusive/ nurturing it was and that's based on a lot of reasons like how old they all are when events occur, and revolving dynamics of family. Unlike state run institutions family units are not static, they are always evolving and changing, flexing and flowing.

My older siblings could just up and leave the drama whereas I was too young too unless they carried me off to their father's house which they often did so in some ways they got acute short term abuse while mine was more chronic. This is why they ended up abused but able to get up and escape and why I basically was more like the psychological torture one would experience in a reeducation camp. I was too young to climb the walls as it were until I was no longer too young to climb the walls. But its caused disagreement into the severity of our home life. That caused a great deal of difference in how the patterns of abuse in our family from barely being affected or more able to sort it out and those who were anxiety raddled psycho messes well into adult life.

But even when there is not differing parents not all children come away from abusive or neglectful parents or even normal parents the same way. My mother seems like she was abused by her parents, but the rest of her siblings don't bear any such evidence.

My brother claims my mother never bought clothes for him but the rest of us were dressed to the nines because there's a belief that nice clothes hide bruises or such well turned out kids could hardly come from a violent home.

Part of it is perception and part of it is the always evolving dynamics of the family unit. I have another brother that never lived in the home with much beyond 14 years of age and he thought we had a wonderful mother whereas the rest of us obviously did not. He married very early, like the age of 17 and his wife as young as she was immediately spotted that he came from a disturbed household regardless of his warm maternal feelings and knew my mother for what she was immediately.

[Aragorn]

It doesn't really explain why the people of Florida didn't have a right to vote for him?

I never said they didn't have a right to vote for him, so please don't put any words into my mouth that I never spoke. The fact that you felt a need to do that, even though I hadn't come anywhere near the statement that you implied I would have made, shows your own bias, and it's not the first time you are letting your right-wing bias shine through either. I was actually already quite shocked over how you downplayed the storming of the Capitol to something akin to a peaceful demonstration by — quote — "unarmed people" and some innocent banter.

What I did say — albeit worded slightly differently — is that DeSantis is a certifiable scumbag, and I stick to my opinion of him.


Nor do I know if any of it is true or just more hate porn to put the hate in sharper focus. Nor why that is even necessary to have any such channels in what is turning into a global free hate society. I wish someone would explain that to me.

Empire Files is a legitimate and thorough investigative journalism organization, albeit — granted — with a left-wing focus. Its founders are Abby Martin and Mike Prysner, and they don't publish lies, rumors, half-truths or propaganda, even though they will not hide their left-wing orientation.

Abby Martin is an independent journalist who used to work for RT — which did not stop her from openly criticizing the Russian annexation of Crimea on her own show "Breaking The Set" at RT — and Mike Prysner is an Iraq war veteran.

Some of Empire Files' work is sponsored by TeleSUR, which represents the Latin-American vantage, but they are always objective and they stick to reporting on verifiable facts. They are equally critical of the typical American left as they are of the American right. Abby Martin is also persona non grata in Israel because she made several documentaries regarding the atrocities committed against the Palestinians by the Israeli government and military.

On more than one occasion, Abby and her team have had to run for their lives while reporting on civil unrest in Latin America and elsewhere.




Note: This was supposed to be a thread regarding what could or should — at least, according to Mr. and Mrs. Proctor & Gamble — be the future of society, and it has unfortunately once again been hijacked and distilled down into the never-ending and meaninglessly parochial discussion about US-centric politics. I am therefore wisely going to be taking my leave from this thread.

Adios, muchachos!

[Aianawa]

I did. It's a good question. Siblings walk away from the old home place with varying perceptions of how abusive/ nurturing it was and that's based on a lot of reasons like how old they all are when events occur, and revolving dynamics of family. Unlike state run institutions family units are not static, they are always evolving and changing, flexing and flowing.

My older siblings could just up and leave the drama whereas I was too young too unless they carried me off to their father's house which they often did so in some ways they got acute short term abuse while mine was more chronic. This is why they ended up abused but able to get up and escape and why I basically was more like the psychological torture one would experience in a reeducation camp. I was too young to climb the walls as it were until I was no longer too young to climb the walls. But its caused disagreement into the severity of our home life. That caused a great deal of difference in how the patterns of abuse in our family from barely being affected or more able to sort it out and those who were anxiety raddled psycho messes well into adult life.

But even when there is not differing parents not all children come away from abusive or neglectful parents or even normal parents the same way. My mother seems like she was abused by her parents, but the rest of her siblings don't bear any such evidence.

My brother claims my mother never bought clothes for him but the rest of us were dressed to the nines because there's a belief that nice clothes hide bruises or such well turned out kids could hardly come from a violent home.

Part of it is perception and part of it is the always evolving dynamics of the family unit. I have another brother that never lived in the home with much beyond 14 years of age and he thought we had a wonderful mother whereas the rest of us obviously did not. He married very early, like the age of 17 and his wife as young as she was immediately spotted that he came from a disturbed household regardless of his warm maternal feelings and knew my mother for what she was immediately.

Massive WOW, thought i was reading Many names reply and at end looked up to see it be DBoidy, interesting.

[Aianawa]

I never said they didn't have a right to vote for him, so please don't put any words into my mouth that I never spoke. The fact that you felt a need to do that, even though I hadn't come anywhere near the statement that you implied I would have made, shows your own bias, and it's not the first time you are letting your right-wing bias shine through either. I was actually already quite shocked over how you downplayed the storming of the Capitol to something akin to a peaceful demonstration by — quote — "unarmed people" and some innocent banter.

What I did say — albeit worded slightly differently — is that DeSantis is a certifiable scumbag, and I stick to my opinion of him.



Empire Files is a legitimate and thorough investigative journalism organization, albeit — granted — with a left-wing focus. Its founders are Abby Martin and Mike Prysner, and they don't publish lies, rumors, half-truths or propaganda, even though they will not hide their left-wing orientation.

Abby Martin is an independent journalist who used to work for RT — which did not stop her from openly criticizing the Russian annexation of Crimea on her own show "Breaking The Set" at RT — and Mike Prysner is an Iraq war veteran.

Some of Empire Files' work is sponsored by TeleSUR, which represents the Latin-American vantage, but they are always objective and they stick to reporting on verifiable facts. They are equally critical of the typical American left as they are of the American right. Abby Martin is also persona non grata in Israel because she made several documentaries regarding the atrocities committed against the Palestinians by the Israeli government and military.

On more than one occasion, Abby and her team have had to run for their lives while reporting on civil unrest in Latin America and elsewhere.




Note: This was supposed to be a thread regarding what could or should — at least, according to Mr. and Mrs. Proctor & Gamble — be the future of society, and it has unfortunately once again been hijacked and distilled down into the never-ending and meaninglessly parochial discussion about US-centric politics. I am therefore wisely going to be taking my leave from this thread.

Adios, muchachos!

Why you run is beyond me . it be ok to keep interacting Aragorny Frank, i like your goodie n baddie plus nuetral sharings

[Diabolical Boids]

I never said they didn't have a right to vote for him, so please don't put any words into my mouth that I never spoke. The fact that you felt a need to do that, even though I hadn't come anywhere near the statement that you implied I would have made, shows your own bias, and it's not the first time you are letting your right-wing bias shine through either. I was actually already quite shocked over how you downplayed the storming of the Capitol to something akin to a peaceful demonstration by — quote — "unarmed people" and some innocent banter.

What I did say — albeit worded slightly differently — is that DeSantis is a certifiable scumbag, and I stick to my opinion of him.



Empire Files is a legitimate and thorough investigative journalism organization, albeit — granted — with a left-wing focus. Its founders are Abby Martin and Mike Prysner, and they don't publish lies, rumors, half-truths or propaganda, even though they will not hide their left-wing orientation.

Abby Martin is an independent journalist who used to work for RT — which did not stop her from openly criticizing the Russian annexation of Crimea on her own show "Breaking The Set" at RT — and Mike Prysner is an Iraq war veteran.

Some of Empire Files' work is sponsored by TeleSUR, which represents the Latin-American vantage, but they are always objective and they stick to reporting on verifiable facts. They are equally critical of the typical American left as they are of the American right. Abby Martin is also persona non grata in Israel because she made several documentaries regarding the atrocities committed against the Palestinians by the Israeli government and military.

On more than one occasion, Abby and her team have had to run for their lives while reporting on civil unrest in Latin America and elsewhere.





Note: This was supposed to be a thread regarding what could or should — at least, according to Mr. and Mrs. Proctor & Gamble — be the future of society, and it has unfortunately once again been hijacked and distilled down into the never-ending and meaninglessly parochial discussion about US-centric politics. I am therefore wisely going to be taking my leave from this thread.

Adios, muchachos!

I wasn't putting your words in your mouth. The right to vote was the context of the exchange shortly before you posed the video. I was honestly curious what the video had to do with the implication that Floridians didn't have the right to vote. And you are correct that should have not even been raised in either a discussion in praise or critique of the movie. I mentioned earlier the addictive nature of the emotions generated by American politics. That literally nothing else can be spoke of even if its the polar opposite of politics.

I wish you wouldn't leave. The thread then will become about nothing but more of the same.

[Emil El Zapato]

Did you have differing parents ?, as not all your sibs think the same ?.

we all grew up in the same household. My older brother cared for his dying wife for the last 3 years. It changed him. My younger brother, moved states. I warned him about what it would mean for his kids. He changed over time.


I did. It's a good question. Siblings walk away from the old home place with varying perceptions of how abusive/ nurturing it was and that's based on a lot of reasons like how old they all are when events occur, and revolving dynamics of family. Unlike state run institutions family units are not static, they are always evolving and changing, flexing and flowing.

My older siblings could just up and leave the drama whereas I was too young too unless they carried me off to their father's house which they often did so in some ways they got acute short term abuse while mine was more chronic. This is why they ended up abused but able to get up and escape and why I basically was more like the psychological torture one would experience in a reeducation camp. I was too young to climb the walls as it were until I was no longer too young to climb the walls. But its caused disagreement into the severity of our home life. That caused a great deal of difference in how the patterns of abuse in our family from barely being affected or more able to sort it out and those who were anxiety raddled psycho messes well into adult life.

But even when there is not differing parents not all children come away from abusive or neglectful parents or even normal parents the same way. My mother seems like she was abused by her parents, but the rest of her siblings don't bear any such evidence.

My brother claims my mother never bought clothes for him but the rest of us were dressed to the nines because there's a belief that nice clothes hide bruises or such well turned out kids could hardly come from a violent home.

Part of it is perception and part of it is the always evolving dynamics of the family unit. I have another brother that never lived in the home with much beyond 14 years of age and he thought we had a wonderful mother whereas the rest of us obviously did not. He married very early, like the age of 17 and his wife as young as she was immediately spotted that he came from a disturbed household regardless of his warm maternal feelings and knew my mother for what she was immediately.

For whatever it is worth Boids. You described the family dynamics exactly as they occur.

[Emil El Zapato]

I never said they didn't have a right to vote for him, so please don't put any words into my mouth that I never spoke. The fact that you felt a need to do that, even though I hadn't come anywhere near the statement that you implied I would have made, shows your own bias, and it's not the first time you are letting your right-wing bias shine through either. I was actually already quite shocked over how you downplayed the storming of the Capitol to something akin to a peaceful demonstration by — quote — "unarmed people" and some innocent banter.

What I did say — albeit worded slightly differently — is that DeSantis is a certifiable scumbag, and I stick to my opinion of him.



Empire Files is a legitimate and thorough investigative journalism organization, albeit — granted — with a left-wing focus. Its founders are Abby Martin and Mike Prysner, and they don't publish lies, rumors, half-truths or propaganda, even though they will not hide their left-wing orientation.

Abby Martin is an independent journalist who used to work for RT — which did not stop her from openly criticizing the Russian annexation of Crimea on her own show "Breaking The Set" at RT — and Mike Prysner is an Iraq war veteran.

Some of Empire Files' work is sponsored by TeleSUR, which represents the Latin-American vantage, but they are always objective and they stick to reporting on verifiable facts. They are equally critical of the typical American left as they are of the American right. Abby Martin is also persona non grata in Israel because she made several documentaries regarding the atrocities committed against the Palestinians by the Israeli government and military.

On more than one occasion, Abby and her team have had to run for their lives while reporting on civil unrest in Latin America and elsewhere.




Note: This was supposed to be a thread regarding what could or should — at least, according to Mr. and Mrs. Proctor & Gamble — be the future of society, and it has unfortunately once again been hijacked and distilled down into the never-ending and meaninglessly parochial discussion about US-centric politics. I am therefore wisely going to be taking my leave from this thread.

Adios, muchachos!

I agree with the others Aragorn, it isn't about politics as much as it is about the people and the principles are global if not universal. Speaking of which Anton Petrov posted a good video recently.

[Emil El Zapato]

How about this Aragorn?

What is your definition of a Wokemon? When I see the word, I think of individuals making noise while lashing out in pain, not hate. Complainers I put on my scale of tolerance at least a step or two above haters. So I find them worthy of tolerance and forgiveness and frankly not worth much consideration. Certainly I'm not offended by them simply because I can feel their pain but at the same time concede that they can be equal opportunity offenders. And I agree that Wokemons shouldn't be construed as Z'ers. The Z'ers are aware and are still working out there roles and missions in society. And as all young generations since Methuselah still experimenting with the optimal solutions to existential issues.

[Diabolical Boids]

we all grew up in the same household. My older brother cared for his dying wife for the last 3 years. It changed him. My younger brother, moved states. I warned him about what it would mean for his kids. He changed over time.



For whatever it is worth Boids. You described the family dynamics exactly as they occur.

I know it's worth a lot in terms of a healing process.

I've been around the abuse block more than a few times with myself and other people. We have a saying. If you spot it, you got it. Or at least you once had it including myself. The biggest reason we don't heal from life is failure to have honest dialogs.

This whole politic chemical addiction fix thing has been a real eye opener for me.

Failure to understand that your siblings may have experienced things differently is really important because it can undermine your own healing process until you dialog it out.

Maybe because you feel they are in denial about abuse, theirs or your own or they remembered things differently means it you are crazy. We seek affirmation from people who were there and if they don't see it your way, it can make you feel like you are crazy. It pings on that guilt that comes with being an abuse victim. I have a raft of siblings who now grudgingly acknowledge they were abused but...they aren't willing to really go there in terms of how all that ugly energy effected them then and now so they can't get on with a healing process. . They don't attribute their drug dependency or chronic addiction to unhappiness to an abusive parent, because they felt they have left it in the past and moved on. But that energy hasn't forgotten them.

I was pest and pursued the one sister who was capable of some honest dialog until she gave me some honest input from the wisdom of her being older and having been exposed to some insight that I was too young to. I had to have that input in order to understand why my parent did because to my mind it was beyond forgiveness. If I put it in print here you'd find it incompressible. I thought she was evil to mentally ill but alas, it was that addiction to ugly emotions and politics was one of those avenues to get her fix.

And that is what I spot out in the world today. Thats what I see in US politics and wokeism and patriotism today. Addiction to the emotions their politics generate no matter how crazy or irrational the thought. The fix that comes with self-righteous indignation is the same chemical response in a person on the left as it is on the right. It's addictive and greater and more crazy lengths in terms of thoughts and ideas have to be procured to get the fix.

That's why we've gone from 'nuclear war is horrible and must never happen' to 'nuclear war is okay because its for a good cause'. Rationally its not, but the body seeking its fix will agree to any thought or idea no matter how destructive in order for that thought to raise the emotion they are addicted to.

[Emil El Zapato]

In those terms, definitely something to consider.

[Diabolical Boids]

How about this Aragorn?

What is your definition of a Wokemon? When I see the word, I think of individuals making noise while lashing out in pain, not hate. Complainers I put on my scale of tolerance at least a step or two above haters. So I find them worthy of tolerance and forgiveness and frankly not worth much consideration. Certainly I'm not offended by them simply because I can feel their pain but at the same time concede that they can be equal opportunity offenders. And I agree that Wokemons shouldn't be construed as Z'ers. The Z'ers are aware and are still working out there roles and missions in society. And as all young generations since Methuselah still experimenting with the optimal solutions to existential issues.

That is the source, the fuel, of hate. Pain. Unprocessed pain. Everywhere. Across the board, without exception. Pain and hate exist together like peas and carrots. You find one you will always find the other. One may hide or overshadow the other but you always find them hand in hand, co existent and co dependent.

It may be internalized or externalized or a combination of both. Pain makes people into haters. Just because someone is in pain doesn't mean they are innocent. They may be ignorant of what they are doing but they are not innocent. Pain makes them hurters not martyrs. It fuels the abuse cycle.

Liberals, conservatives, the woke, those disaffected and removed from politics, smokers, over eaters, alcoholics, etc and on on on--all pain, all hate either externalized or internalized. You may be only hurting yourself or may be hurting lots of people or at least wanting to. All varying levels of pain all varying levels of hate and how its expressed, externalized. All the same, all the same entrenchment processes, all the same sorts of thoughts, all the justifications.

Where did the pain of the Woke come from? From being coddled in a smothering over nurturing environment where they are the most special creatures on the planet, never allowed to bleed or experience pain so they can learn to process it on a healthy level until they are emotionally crippled and then thrust into a reality that doesn't recognize the sense of entitlement that was hardwired into them?

That pain is hate manifest and its when its not being voided onto everyone else its being internalized as self loathing which causes more pain. And they are addicted this pain cycle which means that no amount of rationality or reason will infiltrate the flight or fight mode their pain bodies are engaged in, no new stimuli, information or wisdom can infiltrate the flight or fight process. No amount of 2 plus 2 infiltrates that chemical, emotional and mental barrier that is established.

[Emil El Zapato]

That is the source, the fuel, of hate. Pain. Unprocessed pain. Everywhere. Across the board, without exception. Pain and hate exist together like peas and carrots. You find one you will always find the other. One may hide or overshadow the other but you always find them hand in hand, co existent and co dependent.

It may be internalized or externalized or a combination of both. Pain makes people into haters. Just because someone is in pain doesn't mean they are innocent. They may be ignorant of what they are doing but they are not innocent. Pain makes them hurters not martyrs. It fuels the abuse cycle.

Liberals, conservatives, the woke, those disaffected and removed from politics, smokers, over eaters, alcoholics, etc and on on on--all pain, all hate either externalized or internalized. You may be only hurting yourself or may be hurting lots of people or at least wanting to. All varying levels of pain all varying levels of hate and how its expressed, externalized. All the same, all the same entrenchment processes, all the same sorts of thoughts, all the justifications.

Where did the pain of the Woke come from? From being coddled in a smothering over nurturing environment where they are the most special creatures on the planet, never allowed to bleed or experience pain so they can learn to process it on a healthy level until they are emotionally crippled and then thrust into a reality that doesn't recognize the sense of entitlement that was hardwired into them?

That pain is hate manifest and its when its not being voided onto everyone else its being internalized as self loathing which causes more pain. And they are addicted this pain cycle which means that no amount of rationality or reason will infiltrate the flight or fight mode their pain bodies are engaged in, no new stimuli, information or wisdom can infiltrate the flight or fight process. No amount of 2 plus 2 infiltrates that chemical, emotional and mental barrier that is established.

There certainly is much truth to that but it isn't limited to the over-nurtured, which is a likely and more amenable to me, polite euphemism. The odds are highly in favor that undernurturing, a lack of illuminating rational thought, and just plain abuse are at the heart of the pain. We can easily be taught that hating is as natural of a state of being as is the phasic burden of subconscious awareness that mommy and daddy made us one night; which is why I'm not surprised that so many are confused when confronted with the admonition of, "That ain't normal." Human nature, all nature, tends to succumb to stompings. It is emotionally crippling to humans and we call that normal. Hardly is that normal and how many don't recognize that fundamental reality.

[Emil El Zapato]

To your point Boids about ignorance in parenting,

I had a black dude contractor doing some work on my humble hacienda...We got into a discussion about his wife because he was struggling with a decision to separate from his wife despite having two young girls? What was the problem?

His wife is medical doctor. Their youngest daughter was having trouble with potty training and they disagreed with the approach to dealing with it. The M.D. absolutely insisted that their daughter should always wear training undergarments so as to not psychologically damage the child due to bedwetting etc. The father wanted to train the child to deal with her own dilemmas. The baby girl was practically begging her mother to let her wear regular age appropriate underwear.

They ended up getting separated. I ask you, how ignorant can a M.D. be regarding child rearing. Incidentally the contractor said his wife was from an abusive home.

[Diabolical Boids]

To your point Boids about ignorance in parenting,

I had a black dude contractor doing some work on my humble hacienda...We got into a discussion about his wife because he was struggling with a decision to separate from his wife despite having two young girls? What was the problem?

His wife is medical doctor. Their youngest daughter was having trouble with potty training and they disagreed with the approach to dealing with it. The M.D. absolutely insisted that their daughter should always wear training undergarments so as to not psychologically damage the child due to bedwetting etc. The father wanted to train the child to deal with her own dilemmas. The baby girl was practically begging her mother to let her wear regular age appropriate underwear.

They ended up getting separated. I ask you, how ignorant can a M.D. be regarding child rearing. Incidentally the contractor said his wife was from an abusive home.

Yeah well good question. I have asked myself similar questions. Because doctors are people and ignorance is as common among people as fingers and toes, doctors are ignorant of lots of stuff. Everyone is ignorant of lots of stuff. Me, you, everyone here, the PHd sitting in the next room from me. I'm an expert on lots of stuff and I'm still ignorant of stuff in that field that I'm an expert in. It's called being human. Not emotionally satisfying answers no. Woke and social justice look for emotional satisfaction what some call fair and that is an animal that is never full.

As far as the contractor goes I do not in no way believe that he's being honest with himself by leaving his wife over potty training. That is shit that married couples disagree on all the time, not divorce over. Who abdicates responsibility of small children especially one he claims to be concerned about over POTTY TRAINNING??!! I was born at night but not last night. I'm calling BS on that. He wasn't being honest with you. It's not ignorance its immaturity.

2) I would attribute the fear of potty training as abuse as more wokeness. WTF is there to be afraid of? Themselves? Maybe she has no knowledge of early development or psychology?

Next comes closer to the bone where we take things personally even though they have nothing to do with us.


3) I gotta laugh cause you sound like sound like me preparing to wallow and reentrench into some pain complaint sewing the buried emotional pain of something reminiscent but totally unrelated from the past even deeper right now in the present and then to the future. Thinking the story so the story can raise the emotions, and the emotions can reentrench the story which then becomes my life and my reality all over something that didn't happen to me ....until I learned to stop doing that. Waking the pain body up so it can play with me and make me miserable.

I mean this kindly not critically, it's namaste, I'm seeing me in you. Everyone does it. It's central to the whole woke paradigm. If all of humanity is ignorant they are also ignorant they do this to certain degrees.

3) You've made this about you, for whatever reason because I cannot see how child potty training which is the most discussed and disagreed upon topic on the planet and a troubled marriage of a random contractor that showed up could have effected you THAT deeply. Not your kid, not your wife, not your potty. You've chosen to be offended. You've chosen to insert yourself into the storal as a moral arbiter. People do it all the time and don't even know they are doing it.

Because the emotionally addicted mind is always looking for a reason to be offended. Thats how it will get its fix. The body creates pain to get a fix, so does the mind. Again I mean this kindly, namaste. I see it in you because it was once in me. And to this day I throw my hands up when I feel that draw to get offended and go Nope. It has nothing to do with me, I'm choosing to NOT go there (to get my fix) , not curl up with this, and wallow with it so I can open old wounds and curl up and live there.


My advice. Let it go. You can't help the doctor, or the contractor or the child. As long as the doctor isn't insulting the child over failure to use the potty the kid will be okay. No its not fair, its not pretty , its not justice but it will be okay.



Even I know that bedwetting doesn't cause psychological trauma in a child, the parent's frustration and criticism and name calling causes the psychological damage. That is not to say you should cease attempts to potty train but basically potty training becomes all about the parents, not the child.

[Diabolical Boids]

Oh sorry, forgot. The answer you are really looking for.

I would put a hundred down to state the MD wife is anal retentive. I can see no other psychological reason she would be so self-identified with her child's processes of elimination. That's about her, not the child. All that has to do with the lower three energy centers and where emotions get stuck at.

But lots of people are ignorant of how energy works.

[Aragorn]

How about this Aragorn?

What is your definition of a Wokemon?

As I said, in my definition, it is not about social justice in the literal sense, but about neuroticism and thought policing — not to mention behavioral policing. And for most part, it revolves about gender identity and sexual orientation. Racism isn't even high on the agenda. Not as high as environmental issues anyway — hey, you can always go and glue yourself to a priceless painting that's hundreds of years old.

They're intrusive and arrogant busybodies, that's what they are. Where are the social justice warriors when it comes to the preposterously low income disabled people like myself have to survive on? Where are they when it comes to the exuberant salaries, pensions and other extralegal benefits of the political elite, not to mention the royal family? Nowhere, that's where they are. Because changing human biology by way of hormone inhibitors so as to force toddlers to choose their gender appearance/identity is more important. :rolleyes:

:facepalm:

And in following a comment by Diabolical Boids, I happen to know — in the online sense — a Wokemon™. I've had long talks with him, and I hear him out. He considers me a friend, and I do respect him, even though I find his behavior erratic.

He calls himself non-binary and he passionately hates gender, but he's decisively (and exclusively) gay, although he identifies as "queer" — his own term — and he uses gender-neutral pronouns for everyone. I don't know how old he is — I'm guessing in his 30s — but he has already traveled the world, and he has pretty much been arrested in just about every country he's been in for beating the shit out of somebody or for insulting cops, whom he calls "pigs", with no exception. He calls himself a communist and he's a vegan because he doesn't want to harm animals, but he'll kick the shit out of everyone he thinks is a Nazi, and his motto is "A good Nazi is a dead Nazi."

So yes, lots of anger indeed, and definitely anger management problems. He also drinks (alcohol) way too much, and sooner or later he's going to have to pay the price for that.

[Emil El Zapato]

Oh sorry, forgot. The answer you are really looking for.

I would put a hundred down to state the MD wife is anal retentive. I can see no other psychological reason she would be so self-identified with her child's processes of elimination. That's about her, not the child. All that has to do with the lower three energy centers and where emotions get stuck at.

But lots of people are ignorant of how energy works.

Upon further thought, it occurred to me rather than an example of parental ignorance, it better fits in the category of emotional or psychological learning or the more basic self-awareness. The very hardest thing for me as a parent was to prevent visiting my neuroses onto my daughter. I was hyper-vigilant and still am for that matter regarding everything I say and do with my daughter. Never, I should say very seldom, did I ever respond to my daughter or her behavior without a full cognizance of what I was doing. And trust me, it was sometimes a very difficult process for me. But I came into the game as fully armed as possible with a serendipitous lifetime of sociological and psychological and even mind research into the human animal. I was determined I wasn't going to embed in my daughter the same personality features that had kept me from so much.

But as fate would have it, I needed every bit of what I had as a person to try to counter her mother who is as about as dysfunctional as a person can be and still be considered functional. Strangely enough, it seems to be working out.

"As far as the contractor goes I do not in no way believe that he's being honest with himself by leaving his wife over potty training. That is shit that married couples disagree on all the time, not divorce over. Who abdicates responsibility of small children especially one he claims to be concerned about over POTTY TRAINNING??!! I was born at night but not last night. I'm calling BS on that. He wasn't being honest with you. It's not ignorance its immaturity.

2) I would attribute the fear of potty training as abuse as more wokeness. WTF is there to be afraid of? Themselves? Maybe she has no knowledge of early development or psychology?"

Fair enough, I gave you the abridged version. It was that pattern in their relationship that was doing them in. I suspect that anal-retentive would be an understatement.

[Emil El Zapato]

As I said, in my definition, it is not about social justice in the literal sense, but about neuroticism and thought policing — not to mention behavioral policing. And for most part, it revolves about gender identity and sexual orientation. Racism isn't even high on the agenda. Not as high as environmental issues anyway — hey, you can always go and glue yourself to a priceless painting that's hundreds of years old.

They're intrusive and arrogant busybodies, that's what they are. Where are the social justice warriors when it comes to the preposterously low income disabled people like myself have to survive on? Where are they when it comes to the exuberant salaries, pensions and other extralegal benefits of the political elite, not to mention the royal family? Nowhere, that's where they are. Because changing human biology by way of hormone inhibitors so as to force toddlers to choose their gender appearance/identity is more important. :rolleyes:

:facepalm:

And in following a comment by Diabolical Boids, I happen to know — in the online sense — a Wokemon™. I've had long talks with him, and I hear him out. He considers me a friend, and I do respect him, even though I find his behavior erratic.

He calls himself non-binary and he passionately hates gender, but he's decisively (and exclusively) gay, although he identifies as "queer" — his own term — and he uses gender-neutral pronouns for everyone. I don't know how old he is — I'm guessing in his 30s — but he has already traveled the world, and he has pretty much been arrested in just about every country he's been in for beating the shit out of somebody or for insulting cops, whom he calls "pigs", with no exception. He calls himself a communist and he's a vegan because he doesn't want to harm animals, but he'll kick the shit out of everyone he thinks is a Nazi, and his motto is "A good Nazi is a dead Nazi."

So yes, lots of anger indeed, and definitely anger management problems. He also drinks (alcohol) way too much, and sooner or later he's going to have to pay the price for that.

Now that's almost funny. He needs to go to PA to be woked up for real... :)

I could go on about this because there are many that share your feelings on that but they get lost in any dialogue of how humanity should be treated.

[Diabolical Boids]

There certainly is much truth to that but it isn't limited to the over-nurtured, which is a likely and more amenable to me, polite euphemism. The odds are highly in favor that undernurturing, a lack of illuminating rational thought, and just plain abuse are at the heart of the pain. We can easily be taught that hating is as natural of a state of being as is the phasic burden of subconscious awareness that mommy and daddy made us one night; which is why I'm not surprised that so many are confused when confronted with the admonition of, "That ain't normal." Human nature, all nature, tends to succumb to stompings. It is emotionally crippling to humans and we call that normal. Hardly is that normal and how many don't recognize that fundamental reality.

How can abuse be at the heart of it when all perceived forms of parental abuse like spanking and discipline have been made illegal now that the state has taken over the guidelines and rearing of children? Isn't that rather jarring to assertation that state intervention is better, not worse.

How can that be so when everyone has a hotline to Child Protective Services now. We no longer have parental child abuse its systemic institutionalized abuse. Itt's not 40 years ago. You can't look at a kid cross eyed now without being hauled off to jail for abuse. Okay to cut their penis off but don't ever give the impression anywhere to anyone especially the kids you might be having a disapproving or less than positive thought towards them. Kids call the police on their own these days. Again, its all part and parcel of the state raising the kids with the biological parents as proxies. Well here it is at work. You think its better but now you intimate its abuse?

You might think they are abused but they have access to the internet and a whole bunch of interested parties as ready to tell them they are abused as they are transexual in a five-minute conversation.

At the heart of that sort of pain is self loathing which is very apparent in these people. They have been made in to sub human creatures by the state and by the parents all to willing to participate in the state's means of raising children.

Their parents raised them to be model trophies sitting on a mantle because that is what the laws of this land demand now , and they got thrust into a world that was not accommodating to the handicaps of any variety their parents instilled in them either by smothering or neglect. They all lack illuminating rational thought because their parents were not capable of it and now the kids are not. Hearing something they don't want to hear is construed as hate. They learned that from their parents and their parents learned if from the state. They see hate everywhere because everywhere life is happening in a way they were never prepared for and they understandably hate it. Illuminating rational thought translates into smug superiority and they hate that as well. They are awash in hate.

They hate themselves, they hate their parents, they hate everyone for not being and living in a way they can relate to. Those people live closer to the normalness and ordinariness of life are to be hated because the woke can not.

What's a woke conservative. They are called an active shooter. No difference between the two, it's all hate and self-loathing and seeking revenge for what was done to them. It was wrong, all of it was abusive. And they raised a generation of abusers. Fortunately most of them are so off the rails now they won't have kids and maybe this generational abuse will be snipped before blossoming into consecutive generations.

[Emil El Zapato]

How can abuse be at the heart of it when all perceived forms of parental abuse like spanking and discipline have been made illegal now that the state has taken over the guidelines and rearing of children? Isn't that rather jarring to assertation that state intervention is better, not worse.

How can that be so when everyone has a hotline to Child Protective Services now. We no longer have parental child abuse its systemic institutionalized abuse. Itt's not 40 years ago. You can't look at a kid cross eyed now without being hauled off to jail for abuse. Okay to cut their penis off but don't ever give the impression anywhere to anyone especially the kids you might be having a disapproving or less than positive thought towards them. Kids call the police on their own these days. Again, its all part and parcel of the state raising the kids with the biological parents as proxies. Well here it is at work. You think its better but now you intimate its abuse?

You might think they are abused but they have access to the internet and a whole bunch of interested parties as ready to tell them they are abused as they are transexual in a five-minute conversation.

At the heart of that sort of pain is self loathing which is very apparent in these people. They have been made in to sub human creatures by the state and by the parents all to willing to participate in the state's means of raising children.

Their parents raised them to be model trophies sitting on a mantle because that is what the laws of this land demand now , and they got thrust into a world that was not accommodating to the handicaps of any variety their parents instilled in them either by smothering or neglect. They all lack illuminating rational thought because their parents were not capable of it and now the kids are not. Hearing something they don't want to hear is construed as hate. They learned that from their parents and their parents learned if from the state. They see hate everywhere because everywhere life is happening in a way they were never prepared for and they understandably hate it. Illuminating rational thought translates into smug superiority and they hate that as well. They are awash in hate.

They hate themselves, they hate their parents, they hate everyone for not being and living in a way they can relate to. Those people live closer to the normalness and ordinariness of life are to be hated because the woke can not.

What's a woke conservative. They are called an active shooter. No difference between the two, it's all hate and self-loathing and seeking revenge for what was done to them. It was wrong, all of it was abusive. And they raised a generation of abusers. Fortunately most of them are so off the rails now they won't have kids and maybe this generational abuse will be snipped before blossoming into consecutive generations.

Not even, Boids...the only thing I let between myself and my daughter was her mother's attorney and the courts. And trust me, I was homicidal on that circumstance, but, of course, I never acted on it. I just swallowed a tremendous amount of psychical pain but only for my daughter. That was the only thing on Earth that could have stopped me. Somewhat ironic if one considers it. A critical point however is that discipline need never border on what anyone would consider abuse...with the possible exception of wokemons.


Not even, Boids...the only thing I let between myself and my daughter was her mother's attorney and the courts. And trust me, I was homicidal on that circumstance, but, of course, I never acted on it. I just swallowed a tremendous amount of psychical pain but only for my daughter. That was the only thing on Earth that could have stopped me. Somewhat ironic if one considers it. A critical point however is that discipline need never border on what anyone would consider abuse...with the possible exception of wokemons.

Well the freedom and right to cut one's penis off is a step too much to the guardians of personal freedom?

[Aianawa]

Love the way this thread imo has become very treasure map of the pain body driven, well back in time i had a mantra, an amazing mantra that worked 100% of the time, it was , i give consent to evolve at a hundred miles an hour, thankyou. All heel n heaven would ensue, i evolved, nearly died a few times, once finalllly having had enough and dear freinds had me add lovingly and gently etc onto it lol, i evolved to , i wish to work with the collective pain body to the highest degree without death ensueing and indeed this happened mightyly, i didnt wish to be here a few times lol but i got to work with the collective pain body to a massive degree, working with pained children was the greatest divine dicottymeeeee of elation and dissspear, nuttyshell my inner search led to being with the collective pain body and this begins the end as such, be why we are here. thankyou am loving the honesty the hurt, the views, the outer bill ryan viewed inner but okay till not attitude imo being portrayed n batted.

[Diabolical Boids]

Love the way this thread imo has become very treasure map of the pain body driven, well back in time i had a mantra, an amazing mantra that worked 100% of the time, it was , i give consent to evolve at a hundred miles an hour, thankyou. All heel n heaven would ensue, i evolved, nearly died a few times, once finalllly having had enough and dear freinds had me add lovingly and gently etc onto it lol, i evolved to , i wish to work with the collective pain body to the highest degree without death ensueing and indeed this happened mightyly, i didnt wish to be here a few times lol but i got to work with the collective pain body to a massive degree, working with pained children was the greatest divine dicottymeeeee of elation and dissspear, nuttyshell my inner search led to being with the collective pain body and this begins the end as such, be why we are here. thankyou am loving the honesty the hurt, the views, the outer bill ryan viewed inner but okay till not attitude imo being portrayed n batted.


Amen to that. This is the first time I've seen such bloated collective painbody and one snared and developed under the influence of a rigid ideology.

Edit:
You know I left and thought about what was said about pain body and how its like what Aragorn says. We can't have a discussion about anything without US Politics and Ideologies being drug into it and that is exactly what the collective pain body is feeding on. The pain body would have no interest in a topic like Unified Field Theory which is part of the Thrive movies; that would remove the pain body in a matter of moments, hours or a day. A troubled person might be tempted to help themselves using UF theory. Maybe the collective painbody needs to derail so no one goes to the actual content of the movie for discussion which poses an existential threat to the pain body itself.

The old struggles with the pain body was that it held on like the rugged addict it is and you did all sorts of work for days, weeks, decades to diminish its grip on people with relapses and set backs like any other addict.

The way UF addresses the pain body is to nuke it... You go in...Change your thoughts, change your emotions, your mind will change, your mind changes then so does your personality. And when your mind changes your body follows suit and you have basically a new body and personality, you are new person, neither of which the pain body can live or grow in. All that shite went out with the old mind and body. It takes an hour of thinking new thoughts, and new ideas and better emotions to double the neural connections in the brain. That's some fast stuff.

That's the cutting edge way of getting people to stop smoking. They know they can't, and they don't have the will and never will. And they are right. I don't argue with them, they are correct. I know I have been there. But they still want to get better and they hate themselves for smoking. They don't want to be addicts but they want to be addicted. It's an awful place to be at.

So you help change their thoughts, which then changes their emotions, they change their habits and actions, then their mind changes, then so does their personality, their body follows suit, and that mind and body actually can and knows it can stop smoking. And so it does. Just like that. Right then right there. Overnight basically.

Two days later they are forgetting to put their nicotine patch on, in three they forgot they ever smoked its just a bizarre idea that surfaces throughout the day. Once in a while it crosses their mind they once smoked and the idea startles them like it happened to someone else. Which it did.

Why its hard to stop smoking is not addiction physical or psychological. It's because you become a different person, a different personality. A smoker and a non smoker are two entirely different personalities. If you go from smoker to non smoker, you feel weird, you don't feel yourself because you aren't yourself but no one ever prepared you for the idea that it means a complete personality change and out of body experience. You want to retreat to what feels safe and familiar which is your old self, ad the only way to do that is to start smoking again.

Thats how this dead personality pain body should be dealt with and how much pain does it really want to be in? There are some people who get very tired of it and those who can go on forever living that way.

[Aragorn]

How can abuse be at the heart of it when all perceived forms of parental abuse like spanking and discipline have been made illegal now that the state has taken over the guidelines and rearing of children? Isn't that rather jarring to assertation that state intervention is better, not worse.

How can that be so when everyone has a hotline to Child Protective Services now. We no longer have parental child abuse its systemic institutionalized abuse. Itt's not 40 years ago. You can't look at a kid cross eyed now without being hauled off to jail for abuse. Okay to cut their penis off but don't ever give the impression anywhere to anyone especially the kids you might be having a disapproving or less than positive thought towards them. Kids call the police on their own these days. Again, its all part and parcel of the state raising the kids with the biological parents as proxies. Well here it is at work. You think its better but now you intimate its abuse?

This. ↑ A woman was recently convicted to a prison sentence over here — I think it was two or three years — for having slapped her kid. :facepalm:

[Aianawa]

Well the SOC is smashing it , atm, bigley indeed.

About 17 years ago i went out with my first conspireeey theorist, she taught me how to read the news, the whats coming up, in motion, planned or multi choiced atm, And no way did i believe her until yip, was provin, fucked me up a wee bit, baCK to now it is happening again but very differingly, one can see the playbook-s, lol not lineaer and you can see it can all change in a moment, am so facinated watching atm that being at peace knowingly also is annoying lol inner drama is outer in a strange way, what the F many gonna do with a Kennedy hehe a live one, what FN amazing times we live in, the self organizing collective, near cousin to the noospheric collective lol, is just simply happening.

[Diabolical Boids]

This. ↑ A woman was recently convicted to a prison sentence over here — I think it was two or three years — for having slapped her kid. :facepalm:

Yepper I believe it. I gotta laugh. My entire family, and there's like herds of them, paternally and maternally, on both sides that would be serving multiple life sentences.
:p

I have on cousin out of dozen who wasn't spanked and he died shortly after he was released from prison of an OD.

Back then random family brats were pulled aside for a spanking, a slap, a shake for Bratile behavior; you didn't have to belong to the adult in question. Teachers could spank you.

A spank, a swat or slap which was usually for smart mouths and back talk was somehow confused for abuse, or literally beating the shit out of a kid or using your hands and fists as the only means to communicate with your kids. Unless you have actually reared children no one realizes the animal states they can go into. It used to be appropriate to slap an adult to snap them out of hysteric emotional shock as well as children but now apparently its better to let them become brain chemical junkies.

Even a maternalistic society like a wolf pack knows a nip is merited if the pups are going to be functional members of a society. Animals discipline their off spring but we can't. This time of year I can sit outside and watch all sorts of animals and birds correcting their offspring but we aren't supposed to.

There's still parents who spank and you can tell the difference between who has had a swat and who hasn't.

[Emil El Zapato]

Amen to that. This is the first time I've seen such bloated collective painbody and one snared and developed under the influence of a rigid ideology.

Edit:
You know I left and thought about what was said about pain body and how its like what Aragorn says. We can't have a discussion about anything without US Politics and Ideologies being drug into it and that is exactly what the collective pain body is feeding on. The pain body would have no interest in a topic like Unified Field Theory which is part of the Thrive movies; that would remove the pain body in a matter of moments, hours or a day. A troubled person might be tempted to help themselves using UF theory. Maybe the collective painbody needs to derail so no one goes to the actual content of the movie for discussion which poses an existential threat to the pain body itself.

The old struggles with the pain body was that it held on like the rugged addict it is and you did all sorts of work for days, weeks, decades to diminish its grip on people with relapses and set backs like any other addict.

The way UF addresses the pain body is to nuke it... You go in...Change your thoughts, change your emotions, your mind will change, your mind changes then so does your personality. And when your mind changes your body follows suit and you have basically a new body and personality, you are new person, neither of which the pain body can live or grow in. All that shite went out with the old mind and body. It takes an hour of thinking new thoughts, and new ideas and better emotions to double the neural connections in the brain. That's some fast stuff.

That's the cutting edge way of getting people to stop smoking. They know they can't, and they don't have the will and never will. And they are right. I don't argue with them, they are correct. I know I have been there. But they still want to get better and they hate themselves for smoking. They don't want to be addicts but they want to be addicted. It's an awful place to be at.

So you help change their thoughts, which then changes their emotions, they change their habits and actions, then their mind changes, then so does their personality, their body follows suit, and that mind and body actually can and knows it can stop smoking. And so it does. Just like that. Right then right there. Overnight basically.

Two days later they are forgetting to put their nicotine patch on, in three they forgot they ever smoked its just a bizarre idea that surfaces throughout the day. Once in a while it crosses their mind they once smoked and the idea startles them like it happened to someone else. Which it did.

Why its hard to stop smoking is not addiction physical or psychological. It's because you become a different person, a different personality. A smoker and a non smoker are two entirely different personalities. If you go from smoker to non smoker, you feel weird, you don't feel yourself because you aren't yourself but no one ever prepared you for the idea that it means a complete personality change and out of body experience. You want to retreat to what feels safe and familiar which is your old self, ad the only way to do that is to start smoking again.

Thats how this dead personality pain body should be dealt with and how much pain does it really want to be in? There are some people who get very tired of it and those who can go on forever living that way.

heehee, I quit smoking the first time for 25 years. then a divorce and new friends with much encouragement starting smoking again. And now it has been about year since I quit again. I feel free of the stress of knowing what I was doing to myself, beyond that I am still me. The problem with abandoning the pain body is over compensation to the point where there is no pain at all. No pain as a reference shouldn't mean no compassion for those that are struggling. Jesus had the greatest pain body of all time.


This. ↑ A woman was recently convicted to a prison sentence over here — I think it was two or three years — for having slapped her kid. :facepalm:

I think a good robot could have raised me better. As long as I had my siblings with me.


Yepper I believe it. I gotta laugh. My entire family, and there's like herds of them, paternally and maternally, on both sides that would be serving multiple life sentences.
:p

I have on cousin out of dozen who wasn't spanked and he died shortly after he was released from prison of an OD.

Back then random family brats were pulled aside for a spanking, a slap, a shake for Bratile behavior; you didn't have to belong to the adult in question. Teachers could spank you.

A spank, a swat or slap which was usually for smart mouths and back talk was somehow confused for abuse, or literally beating the shit out of a kid or using your hands and fists as the only means to communicate with your kids. Unless you have actually reared children no one realizes the animal states they can go into. It used to be appropriate to slap an adult to snap them out of hysteric emotional shock as well as children but now apparently its better to let them become brain chemical junkies.

Even a maternalistic society like a wolf pack knows a nip is merited if the pups are going to be functional members of a society. Animals discipline their off spring but we can't. This time of year I can sit outside and watch all sorts of animals and birds correcting their offspring but we aren't supposed to.

There's still parents who spank and you can tell the difference between who has had a swat and who hasn't.

Seriously, I always found my daughter's 'animal states' as amusing. It is the natural process where children must learn to regulate their own feelings. Why punish a child for being a young human. It's ridiculous. We need to love our children and let society do its worst to f*ck them up. We are their protectors not judges, juries and executioners.

[Emil El Zapato]

Yepper I believe it. I gotta laugh. My entire family, and there's like herds of them, paternally and maternally, on both sides that would be serving multiple life sentences.
:p

I have on cousin out of dozen who wasn't spanked and he died shortly after he was released from prison of an OD.

Back then random family brats were pulled aside for a spanking, a slap, a shake for Bratile behavior; you didn't have to belong to the adult in question. Teachers could spank you.

A spank, a swat or slap which was usually for smart mouths and back talk was somehow confused for abuse, or literally beating the shit out of a kid or using your hands and fists as the only means to communicate with your kids. Unless you have actually reared children no one realizes the animal states they can go into. It used to be appropriate to slap an adult to snap them out of hysteric emotional shock as well as children but now apparently its better to let them become brain chemical junkies.

Even a maternalistic society like a wolf pack knows a nip is merited if the pups are going to be functional members of a society. Animals discipline their off spring but we can't. This time of year I can sit outside and watch all sorts of animals and birds correcting their offspring but we aren't supposed to.

There's still parents who spank and you can tell the difference between who has had a swat and who hasn't.

slap a cop and if you survive it, see what happens. Think about that from the perspective of social values and the nature of the people that hold them.

[Diabolical Boids]

I think a good robot could have raised me better. As long as I had my siblings with me.


Lol. I am beginning to think one already did. Why does it matter if the robot is good or bad if children are supposed to be allowed to act like wild animals anyway?

Your post could have paraphrased from the SummerHill method of parenting circa mid 1970's.




Seriously, I always found my daughter's 'animal states' as amusing. It is the natural process where children must learn to regulate their own feelings. Why punish a child for being a young human. It's ridiculous. We need to love our children and let society do its worst to f*ck them up. We are their protectors not judges, juries and executioners.



I totally believe you. But ...

I have a distinct impression that you wouldn't find it the least amusing if some few of us here, set aside the polite trappings of civilization and treated you in a beastly fashion that you found so amusing in your daughter. WE could chuckle and say its because of our playful inner child. I suspect you wouldn't like that at all. Inner children and playful young humans are not created equal.

And what you are describing is a form of neglect. Not just of the child but all the way around.

I note that the interests of society (other people) is left out of the equation and it's all about the feelings of the child. Feelings are chemicals, feelings are for experiencing life. They are important but they are not most important and to most effective they have to be balanced by other human and humane factors. Like reason, thinking, respect for others.

The thing is when they are in that state they are not a child. They revert to animal states just like adult members of Antifa do. Or roid monsters do in a gym. It's disconcerting to know that people raise their kids without really knowing what is going on inside of their heads or their brain chemistry.

There's a reason why society hasn't fucked up my kids:

Shockingly I did not find it funny when my emotionally "lively" youngest daughter wanted to exercise her young human-ness go screaming out into the middle of the expressway or throw rocks at the neighbors car, or went into hysterics when she wanted to stick her hand into the woodstove, or throw a great rowing tantrum so she could slide off the three-story roof, or kick her heels against the dairy bull sides and grab the penis of the neighbor's horse or call people names in the grocery store. She was not entitled to do any of that. That was not a precocious young human. Young humans have far better qualities than that. That is not Developmemt of their full or best potential to just allow them to do whatever.

Or when she dug her amusing little nails into my hands til it looked like I was crucified because I wouldn't let her run around the hood unsupervised and barefoot when was three and it was the middle of winter. Very cute, but no. There was her physical safety not just her feelings to be concerned with.

I had this weird mystical insight that she might one day, after she got past the age of maturing hay wire brain chemistry (the first puberty) she might want to play sports, or a musical instrument, be an artist, or excel in STEM subjects.

And that letting her precocious self 'regulate' her own processes when she's all of, what, four years old was not doing her any favors it was doing myself a favor. What I call abdicating responsibility as a parent, intellectual laziness and unfit parenting none of which was going to set a good foundation for her inherent gifts and potentials to be developed upon just a few years down the road. I curbed her and her feelings to make life easier for her not harder. Society doesn't hate her because she's not an obnoxious confused self absorbed brat so inspite of her Gen Z-Ness she end with a much easier time of it than the woke brigade.

That's discrimination. That's prejudice. That's not fair but it is JUST.

Yes indeedy it is and that's not a damn thing that can be done for it than to call people haters and Nazis.

YEs that does make me a hater/ Nazi/ abusive parent that I don't have child trained forever in the art of self victimhood, drug addiction or other coping mechanisms. That does make me guilty (abusive) of having respect for her personal safety, her future, her future wants and needs, respect for OTHER people (like in society), their personal safety, and OTHER PEOPLE's property not just her feelings or the freedom of self expression.

I know a better parent would have let her chew her way through the neighbor's fence and shit in their garden so her youthful freedom of self-expression wasn't impeded and impaired for when it came time to join Antifa and then she could fulfill the only potential left to her: crying in rage, getting arrested and burning down minority communities.

Sadly I forever crippled her from being woke. And basically society finds her a pleasure or at least not a nuisance or a liability.

Not being of an age to know what reason is or respond to it, when she got all worked up by not being able to exercise her entitlement (and I have no idea where that came from) a couple brisk smacks pretty much taught her to respect herself, other people, and their property. I didn't have to exercise the hand very long. As far as her moods, as long as she wasn't destroying herself, or someone else or their property she was feel to free in whatever animal or young human way she wanted but out of sight in her angry room because she wasn't exposing anyone else to her rages.

She found out quickly how wallowing in emotions was boring, and seemingly stupid and it all depended on how much attention the parental unit invested in it. I'd say she was in the angry room at the most ever maybe 10 minutes.

The End.

[Wind]

Somehow now the discussion got into parenting. I don't remember ever being physically slapped or spanked by my parents and I probably would have been shocked if I was. I am not sure, but there could have been some minor physical chastisement. Being the sensitive child I was I remember that I started crying just for some strong words or if I was just grabbed. Overall I think my parents did a good job although life as a child of the "Depression" wasn't always easy. I got to witness the issues or addictions my parents were dealing with too.

My father's father was unusual as at time he was adamant that their children are not physically spanked or hit. Nor did he demand that my father's long hair should be cut which he was growing until he had to go to military and cut it. Despite that my father got to experience a lot of violence in his youth, not because he was violent but because other boys were and he was outgoing a lot more and had to defend himself. In that sense I'm very different and feels that the generation gap is massive because I've never even punched anyone.

I didn't grow up to be a spoiled one either, I was just last of the three brothers. I never accepted potty training and I have no memory of this, but my mother says that I demanded to get onto the toilet and she had hold me in a sitting position when I was still young enough to fall into the toilet. Also I spat out pacifiers and never used them and there were other problems with using certain clothes and eating many foods. I suspect now that it was due to my sensitivity which relates to physical sensations.

I'm glad my parents didn't just force or smacked me into accepting their way of doing things like they did with my brothers. My older brother was a much more challenging case and my parents did get more angry and physical with him, but he was challenging them a lot. Although I was stubborn I was never actually purposefully challenging and I don't think I was a difficult child. Just more sensitive. I could have become a resentful and hateful or even more traumatized person had I been forced to do something, especially violently. Even then my father's manner of handling things did get me annoyed, but that's just his personality. I don't really believe in forcing things either. I know nothing about raising children, but I assume you have to have love and boundaries or rules. These days parenting has changed and people pay too little attention to their children and that's not a good thing. My older brother grew up to be a good father with his children.

[Emil El Zapato]

Lol. I am beginning to think one already did. Why does it matter if the robot is good or bad if children are supposed to be allowed to act like wild animals anyway?

Your post could have paraphrased from the SummerHill method of parenting circa mid 1970's.






I totally believe you. But ...

I have a distinct impression that you wouldn't find it the least amusing if some few of us here, set aside the polite trappings of civilization and treated you in a beastly fashion that you found so amusing in your daughter. WE could chuckle and say its because of our playful inner child. I suspect you wouldn't like that at all. Inner children and playful young humans are not created equal.

And what you are describing is a form of neglect. Not just of the child but all the way around.

I note that the interests of society (other people) is left out of the equation and it's all about the feelings of the child. Feelings are chemicals, feelings are for experiencing life. They are important but they are not most important and to most effective they have to be balanced by other human and humane factors. Like reason, thinking, respect for others.

The thing is when they are in that state they are not a child. They revert to animal states just like adult members of Antifa do. Or roid monsters do in a gym. It's disconcerting to know that people raise their kids without really knowing what is going on inside of their heads or their brain chemistry.

There's a reason why society hasn't fucked up my kids:

Shockingly I did not find it funny when my emotionally "lively" youngest daughter wanted to exercise her young human-ness go screaming out into the middle of the expressway or throw rocks at the neighbors car, or went into hysterics when she wanted to stick her hand into the woodstove, or throw a great rowing tantrum so she could slide off the three-story roof, or kick her heels against the dairy bull sides and grab the penis of the neighbor's horse or call people names in the grocery store. She was not entitled to do any of that. That was not a precocious young human. Young humans have far better qualities than that. That is not Developmemt of their full or best potential to just allow them to do whatever.

Or when she dug her amusing little nails into my hands til it looked like I was crucified because I wouldn't let her run around the hood unsupervised and barefoot when was three and it was the middle of winter. Very cute, but no. There was her physical safety not just her feelings to be concerned with.

I had this weird mystical insight that she might one day, after she got past the age of maturing hay wire brain chemistry (the first puberty) she might want to play sports, or a musical instrument, be an artist, or excel in STEM subjects.

And that letting her precocious self 'regulate' her own processes when she's all of, what, four years old was not doing her any favors it was doing myself a favor. What I call abdicating responsibility as a parent, intellectual laziness and unfit parenting none of which was going to set a good foundation for her inherent gifts and potentials to be developed upon just a few years down the road. I curbed her and her feelings to make life easier for her not harder. Society doesn't hate her because she's not an obnoxious confused self absorbed brat so inspite of her Gen Z-Ness she end with a much easier time of it than the woke brigade.

That's discrimination. That's prejudice. That's not fair but it is JUST.

Yes indeedy it is and that's not a damn thing that can be done for it than to call people haters and Nazis.

YEs that does make me a hater/ Nazi/ abusive parent that I don't have child trained forever in the art of self victimhood, drug addiction or other coping mechanisms. That does make me guilty (abusive) of having respect for her personal safety, her future, her future wants and needs, respect for OTHER people (like in society), their personal safety, and OTHER PEOPLE's property not just her feelings or the freedom of self expression.

I know a better parent would have let her chew her way through the neighbor's fence and shit in their garden so her youthful freedom of self-expression wasn't impeded and impaired for when it came time to join Antifa and then she could fulfill the only potential left to her: crying in rage, getting arrested and burning down minority communities.

Sadly I forever crippled her from being woke. And basically society finds her a pleasure or at least not a nuisance or a liability.

Not being of an age to know what reason is or respond to it, when she got all worked up by not being able to exercise her entitlement (and I have no idea where that came from) a couple brisk smacks pretty much taught her to respect herself, other people, and their property. I didn't have to exercise the hand very long. As far as her moods, as long as she wasn't destroying herself, or someone else or their property she was feel to free in whatever animal or young human way she wanted but out of sight in her angry room because she wasn't exposing anyone else to her rages.

She found out quickly how wallowing in emotions was boring, and seemingly stupid and it all depended on how much attention the parental unit invested in it. I'd say she was in the angry room at the most ever maybe 10 minutes.

The End.

Honestly, that doesn't sound too bad, BUT, it is the difference between discipline and self-discipline. My daughter was the same and my method has endowed her with one of the strongest characters that I have ever personally known and it doesn't amuse me, it nearly awes me when I compare her to myself. Sad truth is much research demonstrates that externally imposed discipline merely makes a compliant human when within sight of the source of discipline.

I went to a Catholic school, discipline, hell yes...spanking hell yes (especially me)...shaming, hell yes. When my group and those before and after me left that school, we were all screwed up messes. Any social more you can invoke was broken with great relish. We lived like the Roman god Bacchus. My dad, 'whip' not 'spank' first and ask questions later, hell yes. I'm fortunate that I didn't spend time in prison. It all just left me hopelessly scarred. Later, I realized I wasn't satisfying myself and changed paths. But my misspent youth left deficits that no amount of 'will' could overcome. When we miss windows of opportunity oftentimes they are gone for good. And that is the problem. A 'better' approach mitigates those 'normal' growing pains that to one degree or another we all experience and can constrain us from being optimal or Optimus Prime if you prefer.

[Emil El Zapato]

Somehow now the discussion got into parenting. I don't remember ever being physically slapped or spanked by my parents and I probably would have been shocked if I was. I am not sure, but there could have been some minor physical chastisement. Being the sensitive child I was I remember that I started crying just for some strong words or if I was just grabbed. Overall I think my parents did a good job although life as a child of the "Depression" wasn't always easy. I got to witness the issues or addictions my parents were dealing with too.

My father's father was unusual as at time he was adamant that their children are not physically spanked or hit. Nor did he demand that my father's long hair should be cut which he was growing until he had to go to military and cut it. Despite that my father got to experience a lot of violence in his youth, not because he was violent but because other boys were and he was outgoing a lot more and had to defend himself. In that sense I'm very different and feels that the generation gap is massive because I've never even punched anyone.

I didn't grow up to be a spoiled one either, I was just last of the three brothers. I never accepted potty training and I have no memory of this, but my mother says that I demanded to get onto the toilet and she had hold me in a sitting position when I was still young enough to fall into the toilet. Also I spat out pacifiers and never used them and there were other problems with using certain clothes and eating many foods. I suspect now that it was due to my sensitivity which relates to physical sensations.

I'm glad my parents didn't just force or smacked me into accepting their way of doing things like they did with my brothers. My older brother was a much more challenging case and my parents did get more angry and physical with him, but he was challenging them a lot. Although I was stubborn I was never actually purposefully challenging and I don't think I was a difficult child. Just more sensitive. I could have become a resentful and hateful or even more traumatized person had I been forced to do something, especially violently. Even then my father's manner of handling did get me annoyed, but that's just his personality. I don't really believing in forcing things either. I know nothing about raising children, but I assume you have to have love and boundaries or rules. These days parenting has changed and people pay too little attention to their children and that's not a good thing.

The word of the day wind: THRIVE ... In my mind it is the heart of the issue. :)

[Diabolical Boids]

Somehow now the discussion got into parenting. I don't remember ever being physically slapped or spanked by my parents and I probably would have been shocked if I was. I am not sure, but there could have been some minor physical chastisement. Being the sensitive child I was I remember that I started crying just for some strong words or if I was just grabbed. Overall I think my parents did a good job although life as a child of the "Depression" wasn't always easy. I got to witness the issues or addictions my parents were dealing with too.


Being a sensitive child where strong words served enough there was no reason to spank you and you are fortunate that your parents recognized that your temperament didn't require it. Being more sensitive you didn't have that animal response mechanism that lots of kids have that's due to their inherent temperament. It's not that its bad but its harmful to them if not managed just as sensitive children would be harmed if they were not managed properly and spanked arbitrarily. Kids like that end up stupidly successful, in jail or with a lifetime of emotional problems. Lots of parents don't have it in their craw to manage a strong-willed child. I think they call them ADD kids and drug them these days. Which sort of demonstrates my point. They aren't bad or evil children, they are mismanaged children even if they are from the very best of homes. It's when they get to be adults you have to look out because they end up being children in the body of a grown up.



In that sense I'm very different and feels that the generation gap is massive because I've never even punched anyone.



Can I presume you were an only child?

[Diabolical Boids]

slap a cop and if you survive it, see what happens. Think about that from the perspective of social values and the nature of the people that hold them.

Curious though you should bring that up. Cops are an institution unto themselves. But somehow this is an undesirable institution, even though it's a state institution. Why is it wrong that this state institution is out on the road parenting us?

My survival rate is improved 100 percent if I am not arbitrarily, emotionally, or physical violent with anyone. If anyone is arbitrarily, physically violent with me, their survival rate plummets considerably. It's up to them.

For what reason would I slap a cop? I don't have the right to slap anyone arbitrarily. That's woke philosophy: I may hit or strike anyone I want in the frustration with myself.

It's not my role to discipline a cop, they aren't my kids. Thats a fail fail fail situation where I would be seeking an abuser to prove I'm a poor poor woke victim of society. If there wasn't an abuser present, I'd have to slap one in order to create one.

I could go into town and ask Nate (our cop) what would happen if I slapped him. He'd say he'd arrest me. It's a redundant question. I already know what would happen if I arbitrarily slap Nate. Cops aren't easy to slap in the first place because they have had training in martial defense so its a stupid effort a self serving effort that might lend some sort of temporary emotional gratification and get me a lot of attention but is self harming in the long run.

Thats why you see so many woke victims sobbing and bawling as they flail against authoritarian figures who are holding them at a distance (like bullies?) while the woke thrash and sob and try to hit, all the while screaming about hate and violence and Nazis while a cop placidly stands there making sure they don't hurt themselves or anyone else.

Until LEO get fed up dealing with this nonsense 24/7 and then snap.

We get fed up with five minutes of woke behavior I can't imagine having to babysit that shite 24/7. I'd go insane too, herding adult babies, making sure they don't hurt themselves or anyone else. We have lots of former city cops in the area and that's why they retreated to rural patrol. To get away from the violence of wokeness that seems to find a better nesting place in cities and suburban areas. But in the sticks here, cops are our neighbors, they are not remote strangers driving around arresting people so I'm sure that makes a big difference in perception than those who live in suburban or urban areas. Our cops are not Cops, they are Nate and Brian and Sheila.

Sorry I'm not taking that sort of unwise advice. People who do that are trying to make a point or be Milquetoast imagining themselves to be a hero or are begging someone to be an abuser so they can play victim. Usually and almost always the latter. People without any sort of self-authority will always hate authoritarian constructs.

How much authority does a cop have over you on a daily basis. Probably zero. It's mostly in people's heads who brood and simmer about the authority of cops.

Encounters with them are usually random and almost always because we've drawn attention to ourselves as if flaunting their authority is some act of empowerment. It's fatal attraction. People with self-authority have zero interest in flinging themselves against the badge and don't attract that sort of attention in the first place. None of this is going on in reality only in their heads.

[Diabolical Boids]

Honestly, that doesn't sound too bad, BUT, it is the difference between discipline and self-discipline. My daughter was the same and my method has endowed her with one of the strongest characters that I have ever personally known and it doesn't amuse me, it nearly awes me when I compare her to myself. Sad truth is much research demonstrates that externally imposed discipline merely makes a compliant human when within sight of the source of discipline.


So basically you are saying that perhaps you did a better job than an institution could have? I'm glad.

There's no difference between discipline and self discipline. The former teaches the latter. Children are not analytical enough to self-discipline mentally or emotionally. Respecting the child means respecting their level of development and limitations.



I went to a Catholic school, discipline, hell yes..


There it is. That's where this enchantment/ disenchantment with institutions come from. :love:




spanking hell yes (especially me)...shaming, hell yes.

Correction is supposed to instill a sense of shame, so we feel guilty or ashamed when we have wronged someone. A sense of humility, not humiliation. Beatings are to humiliate.

Personally though I think the spankings or beatings were preferable than the emotional violence vomited up 24/7. Spankings end, the constant purge of self-loathing my mother vomited up all over us never seemed to end. That is so prevalent among women now, and no matter how much work I do on myself it makes me a little nauseous to see women doing that to themselves to this day. And they have taught men to do it as if that is some sort of healthy activity called getting in touch with your feminine side. It's nearly wiped out healthy masculinity.

Authentic shame and guilt is almost entirely absent from human interaction these days as the institute of a digital and screen mentality takes over. But we like to hammer it into people who admit to being flawed human. Its a very sick dynamic.

Shame is something today's kids have no knowledge of so they think they are right about everything. None of their violent behaviors promote a sense of shame or guilt let alone apology within them. So many kids are 'anxious or have anxiety' these days. That's when you need to ask them 'What are you ashamed or feeling guilty about? " It may or may not be something they have done or at fault but its important that's resolved.


When my group and those before and after me left that school, we were all screwed up messes.


Yes well institutions of any sort do that to you and in en masse.



Any social more you can invoke was broken with great relish.

Fascinating. It's like you were raised in a woke household.


We lived like the Roman god Bacchus.

I know it well. Chaos, discord, drama and violence but none of the fun stuff like wine, women and song.


My dad, 'whip' not 'spank' first and ask questions later, hell yes.

Yeah well not a shock you had a Caligula heading the Bacchanalia feast.:p That's not correction, or discipline it's abuse. Beating and physical violence as first choice to communicate with, rather than a spanking as a last resort when all other means of communication have failed to get through the emotional stonewalling a non analytical or unreasoning child has. None of that was about you that was all about your dad's rage and self loathing. People who want to hurt others are always entertaining some level of self loathing.


I'm fortunate that I didn't spend time in prison.

You are fortunate. You were not discipline or corrected or spanked you were beaten. When that happens the animal self in kids grows stronger, not weaker.


It all just left me hopelessly scarred.

But you aren't. It's hard to feel and be that way but its still just a belief we've told ourselves because that shit plays out over and over until its resolved reentrenching in the notion we are hopelessly scarred. All of UF theory is about rewiring yourself. Or getting rid of self limiting beliefs. Likely you have cPTSD as well.



But my misspent youth left deficits that no amount of 'will' could overcome.

Will doesn't overcome anything, really, for anyone not just you. Ask anyone who tried to quit smoking and can't. We can't will or feel or think our way out of our own shit. There's other avenues but those aren't it. All of this damage occurs on the psychic level and its on the psychic, non material level that its fixed. My will power sucks as well, it was a good lesson to learn that there are other means besides will power which seems to fail us all the time.



When we miss windows of opportunity oftentimes they are gone for good.

It depends on what they are. That's what the Unified Theory is all about, is creating the energy to get those opportunities back. Creating your own reality. That's another belief we have entrenched in us. WE are chocka blocka full of entrenched beleifs that are self limiting but that's all they are. A belief no matter how real they feel. At any moment you can stop entertaining the belief, pushing it away when it arises, stop wallowing in it over and over. Choice is ours.

[Diabolical Boids]

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Remember this guy from What The Bleep Do We Know? Dr. Joe Dispenza.

Dispenza is all about rewiring without will using nonphysical means and most of it is done in the unified field or what some call the divine matrix. Its really simply an absence light your brain responds to and adjusts its wave length so its possible to be in that space. And its been stupidly successful and has some pretty immediate results that you can keep building on. I mean it takes some effort and willingness but he shows why previous methods of fixing ourselves--stuck emotions, beliefs-- have been incomplete. Most of the effective work is done within the unified field.

I have a subscription to this on Gaia but I think you can watch all the episodes on Youtube. Pretty interesting.


This meditation is very effective.

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And it works better if you do at least the breathing portion of this everyday or every other day. It's a little harder to do the induction/ medication after huffing and puffing for 15 minutes though because you are kinda getting your body revved up. They aren't gentle breathes for relaxation they are determined to get rid of stuck emotions.

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This one doesn't seem like it would be very helpful but it is. It treats the energy centers as if they were little minds of their own

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He has some walking meditations that I would like to try. You induce yourself and then walk around in a meditative state.

[Wind]

Can I presume you were an only child?

No, as I wrote I was the last of the three brothers. Difference of ten to eight years.

We all were and are different, but my temperament was much more different.

[Diabolical Boids]

No, as I wrote I was the last of the three brothers. Difference of ten to eight years.

We all were and are different, but my temperament was much more different.

Wow really? And none of you hit each other? Having a big age gap like that may have made the difference. I had a huge age gap too. My brothers and sisters never hit me but I was surrounded by nieces, nephews and cousins my age, so it was like Kung Foo Fighting all the time anyway. But once upon a time in America there was fighting and there was rough play until it was abolished. Apparently, the only difference between hitting and rough play was that someone started crying. Bleeding and injuries were permissible but not crying. Then an adult showed up and someone and lots of someones got hit.

That was gun control, bully control, woke control and all sorts of control all in one swell swoop. The world I lived in then didn't prepare me for the world I live in now. I used to have to be mean to someone to make them cry, hit them, or insult them or both.

Now I just have to get an expression on my face or say the wrong word.

[Wind]

Wow really? And none of you hit each other?

No, my parents would absolutely not have allowed that to happen.

However, in my mothers sisters case her sons were hitting each other and I've heard about and seen many similar cases. I always thought some boys were a bit too rough and "nuts", but then again I probably wasn't your average wild boy. Then some of those boys didn't seem to grow up to be very sane. My brother did tease me a little bit sometimes, but more than that he was mostly overprotective. Sometimes when my father was drinking when I was a teenager he wanted me to wrestle with him, but it was never anything else than playful. He was mildly annoying and I had just enough power to keep him at bay although he was much stronger.

[Emil El Zapato]

No, my parents would absolutely not have allowed that to happen.

However, in my mothers sisters case her sons were hitting each other and I've heard about and seen many similar cases. I always thought some boys were a bit too rough and "nuts", but then again I probably wasn't your average wild boy. Then some of those boys didn't seem to grow up to be very sane. My brother did tease me a little bit sometimes, but more than that he was mostly overprotective. Sometimes when my father was drinking when I was a teenager he wanted me to wrestle with him, but it was never anything else than playful. He was mildly annoying and I had just enough power to keep him at bay although he was much stronger.

True story! I would be sitting in the living room with my brother on the other side of the room and I would scream out for my brother to stop beating me. My dad and mom would come running into the room and just start smacking the hell out of him. My older brother was genuinely vicious and at least then I thought he had it coming in spades. My daughter and I still burst out laughing when I recount that story. My brother doesn't think it is as funny as we do. No matter what you think about it boids, trust me on this one, in the context of our family dynamics it actually made sense. Of course, at a point in his life, he decided to become a prison guard, a.k.a. a cop. Yes, I certainly understand what to expect from a 'cop' without asking. Bio family, older sibling, brother-in-law and personal experience with rolling around on the floor with several of them trying to handcuff me and having a bit of a go of it. To this day, I would maintain that I was wrongly 'fingered' and they overreacted. But it was a wild scene while it lasted, nonetheless. And more than a few other encounters that were less fun. Like I said, a misspent youth. :)

[Diabolical Boids]

I still slap my sister's hands, snatch dangerous things away from her and push her away like she's three years old.

It's what we've become so nothing shocks me. I just remind myself I was here first.

[Wind]

I've posted Dr. Gabor mate's videos on the forum before, but science now understands that emotions play a huge role with our chronic illnesses and also addictions. Many issues originate in our childhoods and sadly often traumas can affect people for years if not decades to come. I think societies in general should address these issues which cause so much malaise, confusion and chaos when left unchecked. Who wouldn't want a society full of healthy and self-empowered people? Or who wants a society full of dumbed down, obedient and sick people? Emotional issues need to be addressed and resolved. That's how you heal the individual and ultimately society too.

"Dr. Gabor Maté is a renowned physician, author, and speaker who has extensively researched the connection between stress and chronic illnesses. In his work, he argues that unresolved emotional stress and trauma can have a profound impact on our physical health, leading to the development of chronic diseases such as autoimmune disorders, cancer, and mental health conditions.

According to Dr. Maté, stress and trauma can create a state of chronic inflammation in the body, which can weaken the immune system and make us more vulnerable to illness. This can be especially true for individuals who have experienced early childhood trauma or ongoing stressors such as poverty, discrimination, or violence.

To address these issues, Dr. Maté emphasizes the importance of addressing the underlying emotional and psychological factors that contribute to chronic illness. This may involve working with a therapist, practicing mindfulness and self-care, and making lifestyle changes that support overall health and well-being."

Rik5E7wey0w

[Emil El Zapato]

I've posted Dr. Gabor mate's videos on the forum before

He's very good...a natural

[Emil El Zapato]

He's very good...a natural

Hi Aragorn,

you've never openly discussed your disability, I'm curious about what it is. Arthritis? I hope you don't mind me asking, of course you don't need to discuss it.

[Aragorn]

Hi Aragorn,

you've never openly discussed your disability, I'm curious about what it is. Arthritis? I hope you don't mind me asking, of course you don't need to discuss it.

It's a combination of many things that all add up. One of them is the fact that I've got four — by now possibly five — herniated disks in my lower back; surgery is not an option as it would make things even worse.

Either way, this is off-topic here. :slap:


:back to topic:

[Emil El Zapato]

It's a combination of many things that all add up. One of them is the fact that I've got four — by now possibly five — herniated disks in my lower back; surgery is not an option as it would make things even worse.

Either way, this is off-topic here. :slap:


:back to topic:

not if you wanted to start a discussion on how it relates to each and everyone of us as individuals with individual perspectives on what Thrive is and isn't. Or is Thrive discussion limited to the 'movie'? Because if that is the expectation then I've wasted a lot of effort on a topic that is completely irrelevant to me.

[Aragorn]

not if you wanted to start a discussion on how it relates to each and everyone of us as individuals with individual perspectives on what Thrive is and isn't. Or is Thrive discussion limited to the 'movie'? Because if that is the expectation then I've wasted a lot of effort on a topic that is completely irrelevant to me.

The thread is about the movie and its makers, and what they present as a solution for allowing everyone to thrive.

[Emil El Zapato]

of course, it is.

[Aianawa]

I've posted Dr. Gabor mate's videos on the forum before, but science now understands that emotions play a huge role with our chronic illnesses and also addictions. Many issues originate in our childhoods and sadly often traumas can affect people for years if not decades to come. I think societies in general should address these issues which cause so much malaise, confusion and chaos when left unchecked. Who wouldn't want a society full of healthy and self-empowered people? Or who wants a society full of dumbed down, obedient and sick people? Emotional issues need to be addressed and resolved. That's how you heal the invidual and ultimately society too.

"Dr. Gabor Maté is a renowned physician, author, and speaker who has extensively researched the connection between stress and chronic illnesses. In his work, he argues that unresolved emotional stress and trauma can have a profound impact on our physical health, leading to the development of chronic diseases such as autoimmune disorders, cancer, and mental health conditions.

According to Dr. Maté, stress and trauma can create a state of chronic inflammation in the body, which can weaken the immune system and make us more vulnerable to illness. This can be especially true for individuals who have experienced early childhood trauma or ongoing stressors such as poverty, discrimination, or violence.

To address these issues, Dr. Maté emphasizes the importance of addressing the underlying emotional and psychological factors that contribute to chronic illness. This may involve working with a therapist, practicing mindfulness and self-care, and making lifestyle changes that support overall health and well-being."

Rik5E7wey0w

Indeed a goodie, remember when at my workplace his vids were being shared on our internal internet ( villages NZ wide ), it was a big jump brain and trauma treating wise his data, created change in the industree, also remember me doc telling me at 35-6 that i was to be in a wheelchair bye 40 due to stress etc. arthritis whole bod but not yet spine, from then on it was inner.

Clearing etc past and future trauma is the in thing nowadays.

[Diabolical Boids]

of course, it is.

And of course its a starting off point for further exploration in terms of what specifically people are doing to heal themselves to thrive. You can't learn to cook by watching a Wolfgang Puck documentary.

[Diabolical Boids]

Either way, this is off-topic here. :slap:
:back to topic:

Son here is a powerful sender. I'm impressed. Hair is standing on end but impressed.

(*mumbles* which means you can receive as powerfully as you send *mumble-mumble*

[Emil El Zapato]

Son here is a powerful sender. I'm impressed. Hair is standing on end but impressed.

(*mumbles* which means you can receive as powerfully as you send *mumble-mumble*

Aragorn gets out of sorts sometimes and tends to take it out on me...thanks to Fred I'm his favorite target. I was just trying to give him some latitude to try to open up a little regarding the struggles in his life. I know he wants to talk about it...but on his terms which is completely justified.

[Diabolical Boids]

Aragorn gets out of sorts sometimes and tends to take it out on me...thanks to Fred I'm his favorite target. I was just trying to give him some latitude to try to open up a little regarding the struggles in his life. I know he wants to talk about it...but on his terms which is completely justified.

You are quite right.

I think he should talk about, that's how that stuff starts to self-correct. And that voice in the back of my head that just got fried by psychic energy that said BACK OFF just broadcast it in specific detail at a million megahertz anyway so now it seems incongruent not to talk about it. Not here of course. But somewhere. It's not anything you and I need to know but something he needs to know. But whatever it is, its not about lacking in power.

[Aianawa]

Mmmmm maybe another thread best, please explain how these the a attack phyco etc works or happens for you, imo this is very important sharing lol to thrive.

[Aragorn]

Aragorn gets out of sorts sometimes and tends to take it out on me...thanks to Fred I'm his favorite target.

:bs:

Had Fred still been a staff member here in the Shire, then you would never have been let back in again. And yet here you are, smugly doing your very best at proving me wrong in my decision to grant you a second chance.



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:facepalm: :frusty:


I was just trying to give him some latitude to try to open up a little regarding the struggles in his life. I know he wants to talk about it...but on his terms which is completely justified.

You could have asked me about that in private — it would have been the respectful thing to do. The reasons for my official status as a disabled person are not a subject I wish to discuss, and especially not on a publicly visible forum thread. And it's off-topic for this thread.






Either way, this is off-topic here. :slap:
:back to topic:

Son here is a powerful sender. I'm impressed. Hair is standing on end but impressed.

(*mumbles* which means you can receive as powerfully as you send *mumble-mumble*

I am sorry, but I really don't understand what you're trying to say. I have no idea what I might have said to make your hair stand on end, or whether that comment was even about myself in the first place.

And as for addressing me as "son", if your date of birth as you put it in your profile when you signed up here is correct, then I'm actually older than you, and then addressing me as "son" when I'm chastising a notoriously thread-derailing member for doing exactly that — again — comes across as condescending.

You know, if I were to ever feel like being humiliated in public, then I could always just drop El Sombrero™ an email and ask him to let Mashika (or whatever her nom-du-jour is these days) start a public shaming thread about me again at Project MAGAlon™. I'm sure they'd be very happy to comply with that request.

:ok:

[Aianawa]

Mmmm well am a wee bit lost

[Diabolical Boids]

:bs:

Had Fred still been a staff member here in the Shire, then you would never have been let back in again. And yet here you are, smugly doing your very best at proving me wrong in my decision to grant you a second chance.



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:facepalm: :frusty:



You could have asked me about that in private — it would have been the respectful thing to do. The reasons for my official status as a disabled person are not a subject I wish to discuss, and especially not on a publicly visible forum thread. And it's off-topic for this thread.






I am sorry, but I really don't understand what you're trying to say. I have no idea what I might have said to make your hair stand on end, or whether that comment was even about myself in the first place.

And as for addressing me as "son", if your date of birth as you put it in your profile when you signed up here is correct, then I'm actually older than you, and then addressing me as "son" when I'm chastising a notoriously thread-derailing member for doing exactly that — again — comes across as condescending.

You know, if I were to ever feel like being humiliated in public, then I could always just drop El Sombrero™ an email and ask him to let Mashika (or whatever her nom-du-jour is these days) start a public shaming thread about me again at Project MAGAlon™. I'm sure they'd be very happy to comply with that request.

:ok:

Absolutely none of that was intended to humiliate but to acknowledge you, to namaste you in the precise meaning of that word. Son is non formal term that people use like dude, or sir.

*Your response gave off a great deal of power, I think I was pretty clear about that. I acknowledged that. I was not in the least commenting on the fact you were chastising someone. You chose to be offended by that acknowledgement. I know that because you say you don't know what I mean or what I'm talking about so how do you know I intended to humiliate? What we say is very revealing about us. None of us can hide ourselves really.

That was your choice. I respected your privacy, I respected your response, but our responses are sometimes very revealing.

I deeply regret that you were triggered by an acknowledgement of power that was meant with all due humility.

[Emil El Zapato]

Absolutely none of that was intended to humiliate but to acknowledge you, to namaste you in the precise meaning of that word. Son is non formal term that people use like dude, or sir.

*Your response gave off a great deal of power, I think I was pretty clear about that. I acknowledged that. I was not in the least commenting on the fact you were chastising someone. You chose to be offended by that acknowledgement. I know that because you say you don't know what I mean or what I'm talking about so how do you know I intended to humiliate? What we say is very revealing about us. None of us can hide ourselves really.

That was your choice. I respected your privacy, I respected your response, but our responses are sometimes very revealing.

I deeply regret that you were triggered by an acknowledgement of power that was meant with all due humility.

Changed my mind, I'm a social addict with all the attendant foibles and frustrations. Too much a da drama. But I suspect you might see my point.

[Diabolical Boids]

Oh I don't know.

It's not anyone in particular it's just a sign of the times. It's human condition, the human experience.

You can replace the name Aragorn, Chuckie, Birds, and Fred with Henry, John, Bertha and Kim and in the human algorithm the same scenarios will come up with, struggles with power, and control dramas or wrestling with one's own demons whether they are real or imagined. There's a whole heap of people on the sending and receiving side that need healing.

But it's just overlooking something we are reminded of everyday. All these offshoots and sub forums that arouse from tensions and banishments at PA, forgot one thing. It took me a while to realize this. They all thought that changing the environment with a new forum, and the people populating the environment would change things. They forgot the one thing all these thousands of videos that are posted daily show us. If you want to change the environment, don't change the environment, change yourself. Otherwise the environment will remain the same no matter how many times you switch environments. That's what the Mate video shows us, the Dispenza videos, all those videos over in the Self Actualization thread show us. We are reminded of this daily but seemingly nothing changes.

[Emil El Zapato]

that's a good point, Boids.

[Diabolical Boids]

Changed my mind, I'm a social addict with all the attendant foibles and frustrations. Too much a da drama. But I suspect you might see my point.

Considering I drop that word 'addict' quite a lot in terms of psychic attachments, your suspicions may be correct ;) If you changed your mind then there will be a change of action and things will change and that's a good thing

Everyone has their problems. I'm the only person I know who can piss off people by agreeing with them. Of course that is not really my problem its theirs, but I'd like to know what is about me that triggers that sort of incongruent response. God knows what happens when you disagree with them.

I really cannot stress to people when you are in a group of people and your content and thought processes is about the psyche, the spirit, all forms of non material energy, intuition like what is posted here so on ad nauseum, day in and day sometimes for years and decades, you are not only expanding neural networks in a material sense but in an immaterial sense. A connection develops, even with people whose personalities clash with our own on a material level or even people we don't like But this isn't the material level, its the non-material level, its online and the content is non material, and often quantum, and people develop that psychic neural network and its unfortunately with people who we may feel like we don't like in the first place. Because we are in that place that we watch so many videos about but we haven't yet learned how to live in that place. The rules of material reality don't apply there.

But it happens. And may contribute in part to the PA dramas and foibles carrying over elsewhere. Caveat Emptor.


Hi boids, would you mind remove that quote from me. Aragorn will almost certainly ban me permanently for daring to question his authority. I will remove this post after you have read it.



If you'd like. I don't think its strictly necessary because I have a distinct sensation if you were going to be banned it would have happened by now. If it makes you feel better I will remove it but what quote are you referring to ? Keeping up with what has been quoted and unquoted and posted three pages back isn't my forte.

[Emil El Zapato]

yahoo, it's over...

[Diabolical Boids]

"well, that is a very cool response" POST #125. :) it is the quoted part of your post...edit post will let you bring your post up and then just remove the quoted part or change it if you like to something really sweet like. I'm so sorry Aragorn... :)

I will. Then I suggest we just let it go. We can go to another thread. You talk about how swell Biden is and I can roll my eyes at you and resume some normalcy.

[Emil El Zapato]

I will. Then I suggest we just let it go. We can go to another thread. You talk about how swell Biden is and I can roll my eyes at you and resume some normalcy.

thanks, works for me... :)

[Fred Steeves]

Just a friendly Public Service Announcement. Deleting through editing hides nothing from a mod or admin, they easily see anything and everything that used to be there with the click of a mouse. There's also a thing called screen shots.

For those who have learned little self control along the way, thus by definition tending to be hot heads at times, consider counting slowly to 10 before popping off with the mouth which may be regretted later on when the moment has passed. This advice is useful for every day real life as well.

Carry on.

:back to topic:

[Emil El Zapato]

Just a friendly Public Service Announcement. Deleting through editing hides nothing from a mod or admin, they easily see anything and everything that used to be there with the click of a mouse. There's also a thing called screen shots.

For those who have learned little self control along the way, thus by definition tending to be hot heads at times, consider counting slowly to 10 before popping off with the mouth which may be regretted later on when the moment has passed. This advice is useful for every day real life as well.

Carry on.

:back to topic:

I suspected as much, in fact I loaded an extension to peruse websites. And I was almost certain that you would take a screenshot and gleefully turn it over to Aragorn. So let's see where we go from here, my friendly neighborhood sneaky dude.

Fair warning to members would be a 'decent' thing to post on the website. Or did I miss that day? As in "Expect no privacy!"

We could still be friends Fred, it you could take it. :cry:

By the way, is that icon yours to post or did this little spat get you elevated to mod again?

[Wind]

Come on guys, this is how the thread about Thriving turned out to be? That was not my intention with posting the doc. :facepalm:

[Emil El Zapato]

Amen to that Wind!

[Aragorn]

Hi boids, would you mind remove that quote from me. Aragorn will almost certainly ban me permanently for daring to question his authority. I will remove this post after you have read it.

I have never banned anyone for questioning my authority, although when someone does it on purpose — and this is applicable to every staff member, not just me — then certain administrative action is usually taken, commonly in the form of a warning shot across the bow, or in extreme cases, an infraction. We only ever ban people after they have repeatedly ignored our warnings, and/or if their offense was sufficiently extreme to warrant their removal from our small community, whether temporarily or permanently.

In other words, you're being an idiot again, and you're also once again demonstrating that you don't even know me at all. Not that I'm the least bit surprised about that. :rolleyes:



For any random reader's information, an infraction is an official warning from the management in the form of a private message with a special (predefined default) header and footer, and it also assigns a number of infraction points to the offending member. These infraction points will remain applicable for a limited amount of time — usually two weeks.

If the member manages to gather another infraction within the duration of the first infraction, then the infraction points and duration of the new infraction are added to the already running infraction, and if the number of infraction points exceeds a certain threshold value, then the forum engine will automatically temp-ban the member for a duration of two weeks or longer, depending on the number of infractions that caused the member's infraction points to exceed the threshold value.


Count yourself lucky that this here isn't Project Avalon. People have been banned from there — and their threads removed from view — for far less, myself included (and for that matter, twice).





Just a friendly Public Service Announcement. Deleting through editing hides nothing from a mod or admin, they easily see anything and everything that used to be there with the click of a mouse. There's also a thing called screen shots.

For those who have learned little self control along the way, thus by definition tending to be hot heads at times, consider counting slowly to 10 before popping off with the mouth which may be regretted later on when the moment has passed. This advice is useful for every day real life as well.

Carry on.

:back to topic:

Thank you, Fred. ;) :like:






Just a friendly Public Service Announcement. Deleting through editing hides nothing from a mod or admin, they easily see anything and everything that used to be there with the click of a mouse. There's also a thing called screen shots.

For those who have learned little self control along the way, thus by definition tending to be hot heads at times, consider counting slowly to 10 before popping off with the mouth which may be regretted later on when the moment has passed. This advice is useful for every day real life as well.

Carry on.

I suspected as much, in fact I loaded an extension to peruse websites. And I was almost certain that you would take a screenshot and gleefully turn it over to Aragorn. So let's see where we go from here, my friendly neighborhood sneaky dude.

Fred did not send me any screenshots. But as he says, if you edit your post, then the edit history is visible to any moderator. All we have to do is click the "Last edited by" link at the bottom of your post. And in this case, I didn't even need to, because Diabolical Boids had already quoted your idiotic comment.


Fair warning to members would be a 'decent' thing to post on the website. Or did I miss that day? As in "Expect no privacy!"

I fail to see what privacy has to do with something you post on a publicly visible thread. If you want privacy, use the private messaging system, or for lesser privacy but still keeping the prying eyes of the lurkers and the data-mining bots out, use one of the members-only sections. It's not rocket surgery. :rolleyes:


By the way, is that icon yours to post or did this little spat get you elevated to mod again?

All of the emoji are available to all members with an active account, provided that they know the shorthand for typing the emoji's name by hand or that they click the "Go Advanced" button below the editor box.

Furthermore, if Fred had been a moderator again, then his name would have appeared in this color, not in this color, and then it would have said "Super Moderator" under his name next to his posts, not "Senior Member".

And that ain't rocket surgery either. :facepalm:

[Aianawa]

FFS if some of you mob got any idea how FN amazing our exchanges have been in this thread, it be a corker, a wayseeing thread imo, long may it rolllllllllllllllll

[Diabolical Boids]

YUhmJ-fSsTo

I ran across this on my tapping dude's channel.

Be patient. He's not the most exciting guy in the world but he is hugely effective.

I don't have a VR headset nor ever had any interest in one. I have no idea what it's like or if it is as realistic as the users say it is.

But I thought this was interesting. Using a VR headset and program to address irrational fears or mental mindsets and reorder mind to body coherence. I wouldn't mind trying it actually.

It kind of reminded me of Morpheus trying to teach Neo that he could fly, had to fly otherwise even though the fall was illusionary his mind would think it was real and kill him anyway.

[Emil El Zapato]

YUhmJ-fSsTo

I ran across this on my tapping dude's channel.

Be patient. He's not the most exciting guy in the world but he is hugely effective.

I don't have a VR headset nor ever had any interest in one. I have no idea what it's like or if it is as realistic as the users say it is.

But I thought this was interesting. Using a VR headset and program to address irrational fears or mental mindsets and reorder mind to body coherence. I wouldn't mind trying it actually.

It kind of reminded me of Morpheus trying to teach Neo that he could fly, had to fly otherwise even though the fall was illusionary his mind would think it was real and kill him anyway.

for real, that would be 'challenging' for me. It could be good training for desensitization or the opposite.

[Aianawa]

Some note that no human has been bought up without pain, so one thriving would likely get or be killed pretty fast as a wayseer, yes ?

[Diabolical Boids]

Some note that no human has been bought up without pain, so one thriving would likely get or be killed pretty fast as a wayseer, yes ?

Because that would sort of defeat the purpose of Thriving I'm not sure what your reasoning is or how you came to the conclusion or I'm totally misunderstanding what you are saying. There's a number of well recognized people that have been doing the work described in Thrive, some of their videos and methods have been posted here, they've been very successful in teaching others to turn their lives around for decades and they are all still alive and kicking so I'm not sure what you mean?

If someone developed some bit of technology that threatened the bottom line of the military industrial complex, or Big Oil, then yes you might disappear. Thrive isn't about becoming Julian Assange. I think most people doing Thrive type work and exploring the Unified Field want to fix mind, body, and soul on an individual level or fix the earth's field of consciousness to the extent we don't need to worry about murdered wayseers.

[Aianawa]

Because that would sort of defeat the purpose of Thriving I'm not sure what your reasoning is or how you came to the conclusion or I'm totally misunderstanding what you are saying. There's a number of well recognized people that have been doing the work described in Thrive, some of their videos and methods have been posted here, they've been very successful in teaching others to turn their lives around for decades and they are all still alive and kicking so I'm not sure what you mean?

If someone developed some bit of technology that threatened the bottom line of the military industrial complex, or Big Oil, then yes you might disappear. Thrive isn't about becoming Julian Assange. I think most people doing Thrive type work and exploring the Unified Field want to fix mind, body, and soul on an individual level or fix the earth's field of consciousness to the extent we don't need to worry about murdered wayseers.

Apoligies, was still in another world when sharing, choosing to be here has imo reasoning pre birth potentials wise, knowing we will be in a war of mmmmm what we were or are in atm, now not like back in time when wayseers were basicalllly imo hunted or thawted, thriving still attracks unwanted attention butty alls good nowadays mostly and even if not, spirit is too much in control for the many small divine interventscions to be irrevelent and this involves thriving very much indeed, ripples a plenty.

[Emil El Zapato]

Apoligies, was still in another world when sharing, choosing to be here has imo reasoning pre birth potentials wise, knowing we will be in a war of mmmmm what we were or are in atm, now not like back in time when wayseers were basicalllly imo hunted or thawted, thriving still attracks unwanted attention butty alls good nowadays mostly and even if not, spirit is too much in control for the many small divine interventscions to be irrevelent and this involves thriving very much indeed, ripples a plenty.

I tended to agree with you Aianawa...it is a matter perspective... :) In other words, I understood.

[Diabolical Boids]

Apoligies, was still in another world when sharing, choosing to be here has imo reasoning pre birth potentials wise, knowing we will be in a war of mmmmm what we were or are in atm, now not like back in time when wayseers were basicalllly imo hunted or thawted, thriving still attracks unwanted attention butty alls good nowadays mostly and even if not, spirit is too much in control for the many small divine interventscions to be irrevelent and this involves thriving very much indeed, ripples a plenty.

If you are asking why the world is in the shape that is today with imminent war or why we don't have fabulous zero point energy gadgets I guess I'd have ask how many people are directing that sort of future in a unified field. Vs those who continue to pollute the energy that surrounds us with hate, politics, and their own personal insanity.

How much space have we made for a thrive existence. We spend a lot of energy thinking about survival not thriving. We make a lot of room for space for war every day in our individual existences which just contributes to the war energy the PTB put out there in the ether.

On an individual level thousands of people are doing for themselves.

Bad energy doesn't follow good but the idea, core belief and thoughtform that thriving induces punishment is a common thought form that ordinary street healers and spiritual counselors address every day.

It's not in the best interest to draw a lot of attention to people who succeed using unified field methods by attacking them. The better interest is to keep the greater portion of the population insane, stupid and too afraid to go there.

The problem is a working in a unified field requires two things that emotionally arrested people hate: Authority and discipline. Oh yes people will attack when you start sounding like every other successful person that ever lived instead of a learned helplessness victim. You need authority to protect yourself from stuff like that as much as you need it to work in a unified field.

I don't see a population ready to embrace new technology. I see people who want old 120 technology like electric vehicles. And are willing to let little children mine the minerals for those vehicles with one face while the other face claims to practice against hate, and child endangerment.

People don't want a new energy source they want a cheaper but old familiar light bill. People want a cup of coffee and a 50 grams of sugar not ten minutes of meditation or breathing. But those people aren't an impediment really, the future is just going to drive to make a decision.

On an individual level how much space have we made for a Thrive future in our individual lives?

But in the long-term strides are being made. 25 years ago people thought a Reiki master was some sort of three headed witch monster. Now there's Reiki and integrative medicine in hospitals everywhere and every other nurse does Reiki. Henry Ford Hospital just sold its resonance frequency machine and replaced it with a new one. And RF machine is also know as a Royal Rife machine.

It's very slow but when something is planted energetically and isn't fed or watered it will be slow to grow.

But if people are serious there are groups of people working in the field for a unified purpose like keeping the world from blowing up, or abating environment damage.

[Emil El Zapato]

Everybody hates war, but how many fight a war everyday of their lives (in their heads) <-- that can mean lots of things so consider it well. Here is a test...What does that phrase mean to me, as in Chuckie? It's a tough test and you will be graded afterward, but sadly I won't be able to tell you your score. :(

Here's is a small sample. I am about to fight a life and death battle with the company that installed my air conditioning system. I don't feel good about my chances of surviving fiscally unscathed. But that is an insignificant battle in the scheme of things. There are my neighbors, the people driving down the street, my allies (Walmart, my conservative Venezuelan next door neighbor, and I shouldn't forget my main nemesis the neighborhood authority and neighborhood forum bearer.

This might surprise but I get along with all of them in great fashion. You see, because I don't believe in war, and I try desperately hard to give the benefit of the doubt to those whose behaviors are 'ambiguous'. One must learn to tolerate ambiguity to 'be okay'

[Aianawa]

Everybody hates war, but how many fight a war everyday of their lives (in their heads) <-- that can mean lots of things so consider it well. Here is a test...What does that phrase mean to me, as in Chuckie? It's a tough test and you will be graded afterward, but sadly I won't be able to tell you your score. :(

Here's is a small sample. I am about to fight a life and death battle with the company that installed my air conditioning system. I don't feel good about my chances of surviving fiscally unscathed. But that is an insignificant battle in the scheme of things. There are my neighbors, the people driving down the street, my allies (Walmart, my conservative Venezuelan next door neighbor, and I shouldn't forget my main nemesis the neighborhood authority and neighborhood forum bearer.

This might surprise but I get along with all of them in great fashion. You see, because I don't believe in war, and I try desperately hard to give the benefit of the doubt to those whose behaviors are 'ambiguous'. One must learn to tolerate ambiguity to 'be okay'

1st reaction to your 144 post was wuss n coward of the county and then i do not see those actions here from your forum body talk, i thank DioBee for assisting me to see n sense you better of late, i must be growing lol, imo survival energy being obviousely shown , by your words above regards your street, blessings

[Aianawa]

But if people are serious there are groups of people working in the field for a unified purpose like keeping the world from blowing up, or abating environment damage.

And many doing very much nothing n getting better traction, both n all is important.

[Emil El Zapato]

And many doing very much nothing n getting better traction, both n all is important.

lol, pretty much true.

[Emil El Zapato]

1st reaction to your 144 post was wuss n coward of the county and then i do not see those actions here from your forum body talk, i thank DioBee for assisting me to see n sense you better of late, i must be growing lol, imo survival energy being obviousely shown , by your words above regards your street, blessings

I have to ask, was that a 'kill the bum', or chuckie 'vewy vewy nice'.

Incidentally, the point of my post was to demonstrate that humans fight every day of their routine lives. And many of those battles are mental (in our heads), a prime example would be deciding whether we should act morally or not. Usually I go the high road, but not always naturally. Why should we expect a conglomeration of people to act differently? It's a big question that needs to be considered.

Incidentally, I don't want to 'jinx' my skills but I think I won the air conditioning battle. It will save me about 3,000 dollars. And it was pretty easy going...Knock on Chuckie's head and cross my fingers and toes.