A discussion on the validity of information sources

[Aragorn]

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Now you are making no sense Aragorn, in fact i will allow you the option of going over your above post before further commenting, hint = you completely debunked yourself.

Not dissagreeing with you, am saying you are in a big said by you facet, TOTally agreeing with her, do you see this now on reflection ???.

I don't see where I would be contradicting myself, Vern. :noidea:

What I was saying is that this woman was originally on the right path — having become a scientist and helping people — until she allowed her mind to become corrupted by the lure of a career in politics, and especially so, politics of the far-right persuasion. From that moment on, she let conspiracy theories and political ambitions prevail over her education and common sense. She went from being a scientist to becoming an anti-scientific conspiracy theorist.

As such, no, I am most definitely not agreeing with her. :nono:

[Aianawa]

Okay, you realizzze what you said that was in common regards the two of you = pollytics.

[Aragorn]

Okay, you realizzze what you said that was in common regards the two of you = pollytics.

Yes, but...:



I myself completely left politics behind me in 2010, and I was never even an active member of the party — I was only a supporting member. She is an active politician.


The party that I was a member of was moderately left-wing — actually, left-wing libertarian, to be precise — whereas the Irish Freedom Party that she is a member of is an ultra-nationalist far-right party.


So there's a huge difference.

Think of it this way...: dolphins and sharks both live in the oceans, and both have highly streamlined bodies with pectoral and dorsal fins, but while sharks are highly evolved fish, dolphins are mammals descending from land-dwelling animals.

See what I mean? ;)

[Dreamtimer]

Whatever is wrong with the msm, and it's different problems for different outlets, that does not magically make the alternative correct. The alternative could be even more wildly askew. If something goes against the mainstream, it could be just as much shite.

Which is why critical thinking is so important. That and education. Education doesn't teach you 'the truth', it gives you information and thinking skills which are used throughout life. People who are raised in strict communities where you aren't allowed to question have great difficulties with critical thinking. Those brain pathways weren't well developed. But they can be.

I've been led down the garden path by more than one 'expert' in the alternative world. Humans dole out BS in all arenas, not just the mainstream. I have to be willing to tell myself something was wrong and move on.

Being a dolphin in a sea of sharks is a strange experience.

[Aianawa]

TOTally agree DT, imo also there be few sharks and mostly us dolphins, sharks appear happy in pollytics and more rite brained places or emotionless etc avenues imo, like verballlly tarring nfeathering.

[Dreamtimer]

The problem with ignoring politics is that policy still comes out of it. Policy which regular people have to live with. And when you just let the sharks keep having their way, everyone gets screwed.

So you have to get involved. It's like eating in a kitchen you never cook in but buy food for. Not smart. You gotta get your hands dirty and cook.

So at least folks should vote and be informed. Because the cray cray religious zealots think the rest of us are demons. As they are saying openly. They don't give a shit about due process. They've been chanting about locking people up and hanging people.

Maybe they'll ask questions later, after the damage is done and blood is in the water.

I'm not down with that so I'll fight within the system before they completely eff it up.

[Fred Steeves]

Whatever is wrong with the msm, and it's different problems for different outlets, that does not magically make the alternative correct. The alternative could be even more wildly askew. If something goes against the mainstream, it could be just as much shite.

Amen to that! Alternative does not = more accurate, just different. It can be more accurate (it's not hard to do), and in some cases it can be much more accurate, but there's a ton of BS to sift through in order to find it.


Which is why critical thinking is so important. That and education. Education doesn't teach you 'the truth', it gives you information and thinking skills which are used throughout life.

I was never really taught critical thinking skills in school, mostly a lot of memorization, which in large part looking back is why I wound up hating school and feeling trapped there come high school. They taught me what to think, now how to think. The latter came way on down the road when it was time to start learning it on my own.


The problem with ignoring politics is that policy still comes out of it. Policy which regular people have to live with. And when you just let the sharks keep having their way, everyone gets screwed.

So you have to get involved. It's like eating in a kitchen you never cook in but buy food for. Not smart. You gotta get your hands dirty and cook.

While true enough, the problem is the other party could easily win every national election by simply delivering for the people the way Roosevelt did; instead, they choose to pretty much ignore that, and their time and energy is wasted on nothing but fighting the other party. "They're bad, so vote for us!"

Rather than: "This is how we're going to make your life better!".

Either way the people get left behind, as those in both parties line their pockets along the way, while actually serving only their rich donors and corporate interests.

That's why people drop out of the political scene, or even roll the dice on a fake populist like you know who.

[Wind]

I was never really taught critical thinking skills in school, mostly a lot of memorization, which in large part looking back is why I wound up hating school and feeling trapped there come high school. They taught me what to think, now how to think. The latter came way on down the road when it was time to start learning it on my own.

Same with me and eventually I no longer could tolerate schools. Schools certainly did teach certain helpful things, but critical thinking wasn't among them. Naw man, you are not supposed to question anything that the official sources say. Only later thanks to philosophy and psychology too I actually learned how to think outside the box. In fact I would argue that philosophy was one of the most handy tools I ever got to have in life and I was only self-taught in that, school never taught me any of that. Although schools are supposed to educate people, they still make people fit into a certain kind of mold. Yet I was always the square peg. I suppose my bad experiences in school and rebellious anti-authority mentality helped with that. If people would know how to apply critical thinking skills both to msm and alternative media then they would actually get closer to the truth. If you blindly believe either one then you will be mislead. For the most part politicians are the ultimate bullshit sellers although there are some exceptions. The system will not tolerate them very well though.

[Aianawa]

Just from our posts here on thread, most believe that politicians are mostly corrupted or on the way to this due to their countries system, and schools are brainwashing on the governments behalf, not sure of others governments but ours pays tens of millions atm each year to media ( cannot make this up ), how long you gonna last as a real investigative journalist who comes across everdance of naughtyness ???.

Feel so much more to add but while most here are on the same page ( not often lol ) it is nice to be shoulder to shoulder.

[Dreamtimer]

Not all politicians are bad. Just a whole crapload of them.

[Aianawa]

Beautifullll 00.00 post DT.

[Aianawa]

As we live in times that from seeing of late both alternative and mainstream an obvious amount of corruption in politics , how much does that ripple to other governing posts like media-medicine-army,navy,airforce-education-justice etc etc ???. Or does it not ripple ?, we hear of the swamp regards Washington DC, is it really ?, would things have been better had Clinton won ?, or Trumo in 2020 ?.

[Emil El Zapato]

As we live in times that from seeing of late both alternative and mainstream an obvious amount of corruption in politics, how much does that ripple to other governing posts like media-medicine-army,navy,airforce-education-justice etc etc ???. Or does it not ripple ?, we hear of the swamp regards Washington DC, is it really ?, would things have been better had Clinton won ?, or Trumo in 2020 ?.

Clinton is a possibility, but she's pretty much set in stone, The Fool's Gold One is less than a zero, and Biden is like the kid's finger in the dike. Critical to understanding is that most politicians with a shred of decency limit their own power and influence to maintain a balance which is why Demos are always losing. One authoritarian like the Fool's Gold One can do untold harm.

[Aianawa]

If politicians are corrupt BNP, who be their corruptors ???.

[Aragorn]

If politicians are corrupt BNP, who be their corruptors ???.

In my own opinion (and experience), the lobbyists, the sponsors, and the politicians' own career ambitions. Oh, and peer pressure of course — it is absolutely taboo to go in against the party line.

[Aianawa]

Graymail lol ok blackmail also ?? yes ?, imagine one having a judge or policeperson or congressional person, mmmimagine groups with agenda's, not just nazi's or feminists but ???.

[Aragorn]

Graymail lol ok blackmail also ?? yes ?, imagine one having a judge or policeperson or congressional person, mmmimagine groups with agenda's, not just nazi's or feminists but ???.

Blackmail? Hmm... In some cases, possibly, although I don't think it would be that widespread in politics, unless we're talking of a totalitarian regime. So for instance, in Russia under Putin, or in the Soviet-Union before him, or in countries like North Korea — although I believe that in the case of the latter, they will rather just assassinate a dissident than blackmail them.

Groups with agendas? Yes, absolutely. That's what the lobbies are all about. In the USA, you've got the firearms lobby, but in just about every western country — including the USA — there are gobs and gobs of other lobbies, from the various religious groups over environmentalist groups and animal rights groups, over the workers rights groups and their opponents of the (various) entrepreneurs/employers lobbies, over the financial-economic lobby groups, all the way up to the LGBTQ+ lobby, and so on. The list is long.

And like I said, if you're a politician and you're a member of a political party — as will be the case for most politicians in the western world — then you've also got your party leadership to answer to. The latter is especially the case here in Belgium, which is often called a particracy rather than a democracy. The only time that the opinion of the people counts is at election time. Several weeks before the election, your mailbox will be bombarded with political propaganda from each and every party — and not once for each party, but multiple times — with all of their alleged reasons and self-patting-on-the-back regarding why they think that you should vote for them and not for anyone else.

And then the people go and vote, and then when the circus is over, the parties just go and do as they please, because they've already made coalition agreements from before the elections, and then it's only a matter of negotiating between them which politician from which party gets what office. And it has already happened twice now in the last decade that the Belgian Federal Prime Minister left his office in order to become President of the European Union.

The first one of those two former Federal Prime Ministers — Herman Van Rompuy, of the Flemish Christian-democrats (CD&V) — hadn't even been elected as Federal Prime Minister, because Yves Leterme, the Christian-democrat who had been elected, had to resign due to a corruption scandal, namely interference from within his government into the judicial branch, and specifically with regard to the Dexia bank bailout. So Leterme had to resign, and instead of organizing new elections, the parties that had until then been in government simply got together again and assembled a new government. Some people were relieved of their office and others took their place, some were shuffled around to other offices, and so on.

Leterme himself was then replaced by Van Rompuy, although Van Rompuy had never been elected by the people — most people didn't even like him because of his moral corruption and his behind-the-scenes machinations within his own party. And then he left his position as Federal Prime Minister mid-term because he was offered the presidency of the European Union, with an annual salary of — back at the time — close to €300'000, plus another €2'000'000 "for expenses in the execution of his function". "Ideology, wazzat?"

Likewise, just before the corona crisis broke out, the Belgian Federal Prime Minister was Charles Michel, of the Walloon neo-liberal party (MR). But then he was offered the presidency of the European Union, and then he too left his position as Federal Prime Minister in order to accept that role.

Another such thing is that at every election here in the country, you see other people abandoning their roles — be it in the federal government, in a regional government, in the European Parliament, or even as mayor — to move into one of the other levels. It's all about their political careers, and some of them aren't even afraid of switching parties just so as to satisfy their personal career ambitions. I've seen it here in town, where a longstanding Christian-democrat left her party for the neo-liberals because her own party — which is the biggest party here in town and will always win the municipal elections here — wouldn't allow her to run for an executive office, while the neo-liberal party did.

Yet another thing, related to the above (and involving some of the same people) is that the political landscape over here is very much a family business. Charles Michel, mentioned above, is the son of former Federal Vice-Prime Minister and European Commissioner for Aid to Developing Nations Louis Michel. Herman Van Rompuy and his brother Eric Van Rompuy have long been the strongmen behind the scenes within the Flemish Christian-democrat party, and Eric's son is currently also a politician.

The city of Lokeren is often jokingly referred to as the Cremlin — with a "c" — because it's entirely dominated by the Christian-democrat former Federal Minister of Defense and current mayor of Lokeren Pieter De Crem and the members of his family.

And those are all but a few examples, because there's a lot more where all of that came from. Socialists, neo-liberals, Christian-democrats, Flemish-nationalists, the green party, it all doesn't matter; they're all the same, and they're all about themselves first, their party second, and the lobbyists next, and to hell with the actual people who voted for them.

[Aianawa]

Waste of time money and to kill if one can greymale.

Zzzz time, tired.










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I don't see where I would be contradicting myself, Vern. :noidea:

What I was saying is that this woman was originally on the right path — having become a scientist and helping people — until she allowed her mind to become corrupted by the lure of a career in politics, and especially so, politics of the far-right persuasion. From that moment on, she let conspiracy theories and political ambitions prevail over her education and common sense. She went from being a scientist to becoming an anti-scientific conspiracy theorist.

As such, no, I am most definitely not agreeing with her. :nono:

You did agree but not from your belief, perspective or truth, hers.

[Aragorn]

Now you are making no sense Aragorn, in fact i will allow you the option of going over your above post before further commenting, hint = you completely debunked yourself.

Not dissagreeing with you, am saying you are in a big said by you facet, TOTally agreeing with her, do you see this now on reflection ???.

I don't see where I would be contradicting myself, Vern. :noidea:

What I was saying is that this woman was originally on the right path — having become a scientist and helping people — until she allowed her mind to become corrupted by the lure of a career in politics, and especially so, politics of the far-right persuasion. From that moment on, she let conspiracy theories and political ambitions prevail over her education and common sense. She went from being a scientist to becoming an anti-scientific conspiracy theorist.

As such, no, I am most definitely not agreeing with her. :nono:

You did agree but not from your belief, perspective or truth, hers.

I did not agree with her claims regarding Covid-19, Vern. I do agree that there is corruption, but — here's the irony — she should not be talking about how other people are corrupt when she has allowed herself to become equally corrupt in favor of her political agenda. She's lying through her teeth regarding the Covid-19 pandemic.

[Aianawa]

Your truth and her truth are both valid, we have had this disscussion before and i agree with this, you both having valid truth even though she is the expert when your both compared.

[Aragorn]

Your truth and her truth are both valid, we have had this disscussion before and i agree with this, you both having valid truth even though she is the expert when your both compared.

You are deliberately being obtuse, Vern. As has been explained to you only a thousand times already by now, there is no such thing as my truth, your truth and her truth. There is only the truth.

You have been shown evidence that this woman — for those new to the thread, we're talking about Dolores Cahill (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Freedom_Party#Dolores_Cahill) — has been (and still is) abusing her status as a scientist for spreading mis- and disinformation regarding the Covid-19 pandemic, and organizing lockdown parties at her privately owned castle, all within the spirit of the far-right political party she was a member of.

The woman has completely tossed her credibility as a scientist out the window, Vern. She's not "telling her truth", she is lying. There's a huge difference, and if you cannot see this, then I'm afraid there is no hope for you — just as I thought we were finally getting somewhere.

:facepalm:

By the way, this thread is not about Dolores Cahill. That's why I've split off the discussion. Please try sticking to the topic, which is about how the information from certain sources cannot be trusted because those sources are corrupt — be it financially, ethically, or in whatever form possible.

[Emil El Zapato]

In my own opinion (and experience), the lobbyists, the sponsors, and the politicians' own career ambitions. Oh, and peer pressure of course — it is absolutely taboo to go in against the party line.

Social feedback loop ... it always resolves at the most fundamental level to right and wrong ... our responsibility to each other.

[Aragorn]

In my own opinion (and experience), the lobbyists, the sponsors, and the politicians' own career ambitions. Oh, and peer pressure of course — it is absolutely taboo to go in against the party line.

Social feedback loop ... it always resolves at the most fundamental level to right and wrong ... our responsibility to each other.

Probably more "loyalty" than "responsibility". ;)

[Aianawa]

Social feedback loop ... it always resolves at the most fundamental level to right and wrong ... our responsibility to each other.

Nailed, party line, we seen it recently under both biden and Trump, is that being soul or human corrupted ?.

Nailed again that responsibility to each other but maybe pointless if one has not responsibility to oneself first, yes ?.

Still feeling into a reply to you Aragorn as feeling your force thinking me atm, also you are easily trggered by me being open or wishing open communication that you fear is not kosha imo.

[Aragorn]

Still feeling into a reply to you Aragorn as feeling your force thinking me atm, also you are easily trggered by me being open or wishing open communication that you fear is not kosha imo.

Well, if you consider my frustration over us having tried to talk sense into you for five years and you then manifesting that you're still not getting it "easily triggered", then I suppose I'm guilty as charged. :rolleyes:

[Aianawa]

Well, if you consider my frustration over us having tried to talk sense into you for five years and you then manifesting that you're still not getting it "easily triggered", then I suppose I'm guilty as charged. :rolleyes:

So you see n know where you were leading me Aragorn.

It was nice being shoulder to shoulder, then a divide happened, a separation with self validation even, all good but then the old hunt again started, game or just fun or needing self ritelochness feelzzzz ???.

Anyways i support your journey by being here , yes ?.

[Aragorn]

So you see n know where you were leading me Aragorn..

I wasn't leading you anywhere. I was merely explaining things to you. So were my colleagues. And for a moment there, we thought you finally understood what we've been trying to tell you all along. For a moment.


It was nice being shoulder to shoulder, then a divide happened, a separation with self validation even, [...]

That divide came from you, Vern, not from us. For a moment, you were on the same wavelength, and then you made a 180° turn.


...] all good but then the old hunt again started, game or just fun or needing self ritelochness feelzzzz ???.

There is no hunt and there is no game.


Anyways i support your journey by being here , yes ?.

I'm not on any journey, Vern. I am here to guide others on their journey, usually at the cost of my own wellbeing, and you're not making things any easier for me.

[Aianawa]

We appear to be in a shallow part of the lake fishing Aragorn, using similar bait, i applaud your casting, we can share bait ?.

[Emil El Zapato]

We appear to be in a shallow part of the lake fishing Aragorn, using similar bait, i applaud your casting, we can share bait ?.

It's not my place to 'advise' you Aianawa but as I used to tell my 'difficult' nephew if everyone is telling you that you are wrong then perhaps a little agonizing reappraisal is in order. Some of your beliefs are within the realm of possibility but you should simply abandon the ones that are not. I would start from your heart. Things that are socially maladjusted such as white supremacy. That's it actually, thinking that there is a vast conspiracy to get you, Aianawa is just a bad place to start. View life as if it were benign and then work outward from there. You will find an appropriate place to draw the line from reality at the juncture of fantasy. It is sort of like the crossing point between order -> chaos -> order. Chaotic thinking is not where one should be. The progression from order to chaos to order is a very real one.

[Aianawa]

Can i still be a dimensional warrior know thysurfing the noospheric arkeytypal highways while transmuting some walnuts sour and or spoilt dear advisor BNP ?.

[Aragorn]

Can i still be a dimensional warrior know thysurfing the noospheric arkeytypal highways while transmuting some walnuts sour and or spoilt dear advisor BNP ?.

I'm afraid neither Google Translate nor DeepL are able to translate that into English, Vern. :scrhd:

[Emil El Zapato]

Can i still be a dimensional warrior know thysurfing the noospheric arkeytypal highways while transmuting some walnuts sour and or spoilt dear advisor BNP ?.

Yes, but bend with the wind, Grasshopper ... :)

[Dreamtimer]

Here's my try. Aianawa wants to continue to surf the noosphere, practicing his 'know thyself' vibe, on differing archetypal paths, and delivering to us with vim and vigor some unpleasant truths.

I imagine there can be a cathartic experience, looking ugly truths in the eye. I personally wouldn't choose to spread the ugly ones myself. I'd rather express the positive so that it manifests in the world. There's already enough fear and anger coming out of humans to spread the ugly stuff, I don't need to add to it.

[Aianawa]

Magnificent reply DT and withdraw your negative energy vibe with positivity smeared on, wolla truely lovely, we have something in common far more amazing than a shoulder to shoulder situation, we both watched event 201 amazing Polly vid, strong consciousness second gear vid imo and matters little that we had opposite view afterwards, many did not get an experimental medical procedure on themselves and or their children due to that research, eggysample people would not believe people would or could do such a putrid scheme n vid got them feeling n thinking then researching, for us to be able to hold hands and still have opposite views imo helps our world noosphericalllly move forward, evolve, have said before holding a divine dichotomy is a dimensional shift, two people doing so without banning or hurting each other is beautifullll imo.

[Aianawa]

On your dime


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVvH98EG_10&t=99s

[Aianawa]

DIME (Diplomatic, Information, Military, and Economic)
DIME is a framework that emerged from U.S. military academia for characterizing powers that a state may use to influence outcomes in the world.

The term "gray zone" might be new, but the phenomenon is not. Although many of the techniques used now are based on modern technology, notably cyber and networked communication, many are as old as history. What are now being called gray zone methods have been conducted in the past under such names as “political warfare,” “covert operations,” “irregular warfare,” “guerrilla warfare,” “active measures,” and the like.

The "White Cell" is the team of people administering and facilitating the game on behalf of the players.

[Dreamtimer]

Beau of the Fifth Column points out that international politics is a big game of poker where everyone cheats. States might have big plans, and so will the others. And the best laid plans....

Laid to waste is how that phrase ends. Meaning, you can plan all you want, but unintended factors and consequences will always dog you.

Poker. Gambling. Bluffing. Playing your cards right. Or wrong. Having a tell. It's all part of the game.

[Aianawa]

Gee DT, wee bit gloomy but feel ya, one can also view outside of themself as a movie and partake when knowing to.

[Emil El Zapato]

Gee DT, wee bit gloomy but feel ya, one can also view outside of themself as a movie and partake when knowing to.

Capricorns are by nature gloomy, it is that damn Saturn thing. The celestial taskmaster.

[Dreamtimer]

Who's a Capricorn? I'm a libra. Don't tip my scales. :eyebrows:

[Emil El Zapato]

Who's a Capricorn? I'm a libra. Don't tip my scales. :eyebrows:

Aianawa is a Capricorn :) I'm a Capricorn with Libra rising. Have you ever done a complete chart?

[Dreamtimer]

No. But I did finally find the album my mom made with my birth date and time in it so I just might.

Truth is, ;), I would like to see balance in the world. There is not one group who has the truth. Nature is our model. We live in this natural world which we'd die without. It has dynamic equilibrium all over the place which works like a dream. Oscillations and cycles. Not stodgy, unchanging, 'we have it right now' nonsense.

People should learn from the creation which is all around them.

And that's the truth.

[Emil El Zapato]

Who's a Capricorn? I'm a libra. Don't tip my scales. :eyebrows:

What is your time of birth DT. I can guesstimate your rising sign, one of three major influences in your life. (if one is a believer)

[Dreamtimer]

Gee DT, wee bit gloomy but feel ya, one can also view outside of themself as a movie and partake when knowing to.

Reality is there always. It's not really something you 'choose' to participate in or not. Unless you can magically dematerialize at will. ;)


What is your time of birth DT. I can guesstimate your rising sign, one of three major influences in your life. (if one is a believer)

I'll go look it up, but not today or this weekend. Next week. I'm really too busy until then.

[Emil El Zapato]

Reality is there always. It's not really something you 'choose' to participate in or not. Unless you can magically dematerialize at will. ;)



I'll go look it up, but not today or this weekend. Next week. I'm really too busy until then.

true that, fugue states are generally not voluntary, at least at the conscious level.

[Wind]

Perhaps we are getting off-topic here, but late last year I finally found through a friend a good astrologer with almost 50 years of experience. It's a different thing to get a real birth chart reading from an astrologer instead of just a computer generated one, because the computer is just all code and algorithms without the human touch. So if you can get a good real reading then it might be interesting!

Until that point I thought I had a Leo Rising, but then my astrologer notified me that I was in fact Virgo Sun with Virgo Rising and only my Moon is in Leo. I was on the border between Virgo and Leo, it was just a few minutes of difference and the Rising sign seems to change after every two hours or so. She said that I wasn't supposed to know that until I came across her as everything is more or less predetermined. Also when it comes to such readings it helps if the astrologer is gifted and you accept reincarnation as a fact, because Saturn is greatly related to it. From my chart my astrologer claimed that she could see when I died last time and how I was then and where and that's because she supposedly had psychic abilites too. I don't really doubt her, but some things are hard to know for sure.



The 12th house: The sign on the cusp gives the general tone of the immediate last life. The planet that rules that sign indicates what part of your personality that you used the most (each planet is a facet of your personality). How that planet “aspects” other planets will guide the interpretion towards the positive side of it, or the negative side of it.


You can also look at both your 4th and 8th houses for other previous lives.


Your South Node indicates skills you have developed in past lives. The House is the area of your life that you learned to handle in whatever style of the Node’s sign. Since this is a well-developed skill, we tend to resort to it when things get difficult so it is not a growth direction for us.


Your North Nodes indicates skills you have not previously developed … so that indicates your growth directions. Interpreted in the same ways you interpreted the South Node.


Saturn represents responsibilities you carry from a previous life … or responsibilities that you either shirked or misused. House is the area of life in which this happened, and the aspects with other planets indicates how you now handle those responsibilities (or don’t handle it).

[Emil El Zapato]

Perhaps we are getting off-topic here, but late last year I finally found through a friend a good astrologer with almost 50 years of experience. It's a different thing to get a real birth chart reading from an astrologer instead of just a computer generated one, because the computer is just all code and algorithms without the human touch. So if you can get a good real reading then it might be interesting!

Until that point I thought I had a Leo Rising, but then my astrologer notified me that I was in fact Virgo Sun with Virgo Rising and only my Moon is in Leo. I was on the border between Virgo and Leo, it was just a few minutes of difference and the Rising sign seems to change after every two hours or so. She said that I wasn't supposed to know that until I came across her as everything is more or less predetermined. Also when it comes to such readings it helps if the astrologer is gifted and you accept reincarnation as a fact, because Saturn is greatly related to it. From my chart my astrologer claimed that she could see when I died last time and how I was then and where and that's because she supposedly had psychic abilites too. I don't really doubt her, but some things are hard to know for sure.

that's really interesting wind...find a good place to tell us more. I don't remember all my info about rising signs except for the ones that pertain to me ... like scorpio rising, libra rising, Sagittarius rising (me and family members). The rising signs always got to me the most and alone almost scared me to the point of, uh...uh, I don't want any more of this ... that came later ... :)

[Aianawa]

What the heck does one do, ignore ???


https://rumble.com/v18lw20-vaccine-carnage-in-the-er-a-nurse-speaks-out.html?fbclid=IwAR1EipozbBTBrFr3xJHJeSdOsZWpIllH h7k6DHUdlcwLHTdLGdLF5ysMNlg

https://rumble.com/v18lw20-vaccine-carnage-in-the-er-a-nurse-speaks-out.html?fbclid=IwAR1EipozbBTBrFr3xJHJeSdOsZWpIllH h7k6DHUdlcwLHTdLGdLF5ysMNlg

Poor lady had information but her eyes were ???.

[Aragorn]

What the heck does one do, ignore ???


https://rumble.com/v18lw20-vaccine-carnage-in-the-er-a-nurse-speaks-out.html?fbclid=IwAR1EipozbBTBrFr3xJHJeSdOsZWpIllH h7k6DHUdlcwLHTdLGdLF5ysMNlg

https://rumble.com/v18lw20-vaccine-carnage-in-the-er-a-nurse-speaks-out.html?fbclid=IwAR1EipozbBTBrFr3xJHJeSdOsZWpIllH h7k6DHUdlcwLHTdLGdLF5ysMNlg

Poor lady had information but her eyes were ???.

Better stop reading rumble.com, Vern. And better stop looking at anything to do with vaccines too, because you will automatically be drawn to the anti-vaxx stuff, of which there is more on the internet than of the legitimate stuff.

And there's a reason for that, too. Lies need to be repeated and duplicated as much as possible if the people are to take them for true. The liar is always the one who shouts the loudest and the longest, because they know it's the only way they can ever "win".

[Aianawa]

The nurse appeared to be losing big time indeed, we are at the next level shot-jab here in NZ atm and not just nurses are leaving or being terminated left rite n center and they have had first two jabs and booster but no more, so the anti vaxx and pro choicers are as DT says, killing and harming even more people nowadays, to be fair some like the nurse above, feel they will be dead or close if they get another, she must be the best liar i have listened to so far.

Or ?.

[Aragorn]

to be fair some like the nurse above, feel they will be dead or close if they get another, she must be the best liar i have listened to so far.

Or ?.

Vern, all too often people will misinterpret facts and events, and especially so if their minds had already been influenced by propaganda and other lies spread by someone else. People also see patterns and connections where there are none. Therefore, maybe that nurse isn't deliberately lying, but she is still spreading misinformation based upon her own flawed thinking and her own gullibility in the face of misinformation.

It is exactly this vulnerability of the masses to misinformation and their tendency to propagate it which the actual liars behind the scenes — i.e. the far-right — are very well aware of, and that they are actively exploiting to their own advantage, just as the various religions of the world — and especially so the Abrahamic ones — have been exploiting the gullibility and lack of a proper scientific understanding of the common man and woman for thousands of years already in order to bind them into servitude.

Sadly enough, a qualified nurse should know better than to bite into medical mis- and disinformation, but unfortunately, that does not appear to be the case.

[Aianawa]

I had some great help recently, a thread elsewhere that held my attention only just at the start, after two pages much changed for me, was it true ? very unlikely, was it false ? very unlikely, what were their sources and how valid ? history, facts and spirit, trust factor = low and best read for years.

For those interested

https://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread564758/pg1

[Aragorn]

I had some great help recently, a thread elsewhere that held my attention only just at the start, after two pages much changed for me, was it true ? very unlikely, was it false ? very unlikely, what were their sources and how valid ? history, facts and spirit, trust factor = low and best read for years.

For those interested

https://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread564758/pg1

Having read part of it — but not all, because it's just way too long — I'd say that it's somebody's interpretation of historical facts, and tying them together into a conspiracy theory. Again, seeing patterns and connections where there are none.

But then again, it's ATS, so what would you expect? :D

[Aianawa]

Oh indeed, indeed.

If it got your attention, is likely a lifelong ponder n whatifetc unless you ( horror tunes lol ) return.

[Emil El Zapato]

Didn't read much but here is a fact to consider: During the middle ages, the Catholic church was centered in Germany. 2nd there is a one-world order conspiracy whether the conspiracists recognize it or not. It is the conspiracy of rightists to subjugate all people of all nations be it through government or not. The conspiracy is to hoard wealth for themselves. As is the usual connection, it is to use the very intended victims of the plot that are manipulated into believing 'it is someone/something else' perpetuating their condition of poverty and want to make it manifest.

It is a worldwide phenomenon.

[Aragorn]

Didn't read much but here is a fact to consider: During the middle ages, the Catholic church was centered in Germany. 2nd there is a one-world order conspiracy whether the conspiracists recognize it or not. It is the conspiracy of rightists to subjugate all people of all nations be it through government or not. The conspiracy is to hoard wealth for themselves. As is the usual connection, it is to use the very intended victims of the plot that are manipulated into believing 'it is someone/something else' perpetuating their condition of poverty and want to make it manifest.

It is a worldwide phenomenon.

Yes, but it's not the flavor of right-wing that you think it is. It is in fact the flavor of right-wing that you yourself happen to have been championing here at the forum, namely American Exceptionalism and American corporatism.

Here's Abby Martin laying it out for you — passionately — in thirteen minutes...




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG2G5sC7qWA

[Fred Steeves]

Yes, but it's not the flavor of right-wing that you think it is. It is in fact the flavor of right-wing that you yourself happen to have been championing here at the forum

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfh4Mhp-a6U

[Emil El Zapato]

Yes, but it's not the flavor of right-wing that you think it is. It is in fact the flavor of right-wing that you yourself happen to have been championing here at the forum, namely American Exceptionalism and American corporatism.

Here's Abby Martin laying it out for you — passionately — in thirteen minutes...




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG2G5sC7qWA

lol, me champion American exceptionalism. Please Aragorn, after the time we have been corresponding I would think you understood my position onf 'American Exceptionalism'. I don't believe in any sort of national, continental, hemispheric or any other kind of exceptionalism. What I seek is 'global exceptionalism'. To spell it out, I would call it a hope of 'eventual human exceptionalism'.

On 2nd thought: American corporatism???? You need some sleep my friend.

[Fred Steeves]

It's an odd thing. Most people in the US worship at the altar of American exceptionalism, whether they realize it or not. The caveat is that the people they approve of have to be running that big machine, if "the others" are running it, then it's Houston we have a problem.

So at any given time, roughly half the country greatly approves of American Exceptionalism, it's just a matter of which half that is given the timing of the sample.

[Emil El Zapato]

I watched a couple of minutes of her usual haranguing of the United States:

She's pretty melodramatic (i.e. a dram queen) but I think she has a minor point in which she manages to explode to her usual end-of-the-world soundings.

Biden made a very strategic error in excluding countries from the table. In his efforts to follow the 'plan' of social equity he screwed up. The way to handle political strategy in the Americas is to recognize that they are not the enemy and in fact was evidenced by the refusal of Mexico to participate in what I would call a meeting and which Dear Abby would cite as a gathering mandated by the Great Satan.

Human rights are important and it is in Biden's nature to feel and own that idea, in spite of all the world conditions that bend that principle into a position of compromise.

The empire, at least in the philosophical eyes of the left, has an agenda to make all of the Americas prosperous and economically viable. It is practical and humane that all humans can be fat, dumb, and happy if that is what they so choose. That will never happen unless there is substantial cooperation among all nations involved. For the connection we are seeking here, I will point out that it is the 'hard authoritarian' ruled countries that suffer the most. One can ask my next-door neighbors, one from Venezuela and one from Columbia. But, of course, it is a very complex interplay. The complications are exacerbated by Cuba, Russia, and now even China. And that was the focal point of Biden's political faux-pas. He is equating those 'economic enemy' nations with those of this hemisphere. Bad, bad, even stupid move.

[Aragorn]

her usual haranguing of the United States:

Which the United States fully deserves.

[Emil El Zapato]

Which the United States fully deserves.

Honestly, despite your open hostility towards my beloved country of birth. I will agree with you.

[Aianawa]

I had some great help recently, a thread elsewhere that held my attention only just at the start, after two pages much changed for me, was it true ? very unlikely, was it false ? very unlikely, what were their sources and how valid ? history, facts and spirit, trust factor = low and best read for years.

For those interested

https://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread564758/pg1

Keep it simple then

[Aianawa]

Ok the source is Biden but not sure where he gets the data from, he has many sources spose, he has let the world know that we have another soon to be pandemic, coming soon, amazing to see as i watched a cnn clip with him saying this yesterday before coming across this image today, so both sources say the same, one alternative and one mainstream, spose we wait and prepare ?.

https://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/xp62b24765.JPG

[Aragorn]

Ok the source is Biden but not sure where he gets the data from, he has many sources spose, he has let the world know that we have another soon to be pandemic, coming soon, amazing to see as i watched a cnn clip with him saying this yesterday before coming across this image today, so both sources say the same, one alternative and one mainstream, spose we wait and prepare ?

Of course there's going to be another pandemic, Vern. Actually, multiple ones, with different viruses. But what we're already seeing here in Europe — where the degree of vaccination is much higher than in the USA — is that there's a new variant of the Omicron strain that bypasses people's immune system more easily than previous variants. This new variant, Omicron B.5, comes from South Africa and has recently already been seriously running amok over there.

The main reason is people's complacency. They keep on traveling to countries at risk under the illusion that everything's okay because they got the vaccine. Well, not so. "Nature finds a way", as Jeff Goldblum said in "Jurassic Park". Just because one got the shots does not mean that one is wearing a bulletproof jacket against all other viruses. Getting the shot is one thing, but behaving responsibly is another.

And that's Europe we're talking about. The degree of vaccination is far lower in the USA, both because of the Trump administration's bad response when the pandemic first hit, and because the USA is also the country with the largest anti-vaxx movement in the world.

So, yes, of course there's going to be another pandemic. That's a given.

[Aianawa]

Of course there's going to be another pandemic, Vern. Actually, multiple ones, with different viruses. But what we're already seeing here in Europe — where the degree of vaccination is much higher than in the USA — is that there's a new variant of the Omicron strain that bypasses people's immune system more easily than previous variants. This new variant, Omicron B.5, comes from South Africa and has recently already been seriously running amok over there.

The main reason is people's complacency. They keep on traveling to countries at risk under the illusion that everything's okay because they got the vaccine. Well, not so. "Nature finds a way", as Jeff Goldblum said in "Jurassic Park". Just because one got the shots does not mean that one is wearing a bulletproof jacket against all other viruses. Getting the shot is one thing, but behaving responsibly is another.

And that's Europe we're talking about. The degree of vaccination is far lower in the USA, both because of the Trump administration's bad response when the pandemic first hit, and because the USA is also the country with the largest anti-vaxx movement in the world.

So, yes, of course there's going to be another pandemic. That's a given.

Yes i was surprised why so many would not take the vaxx's in or during Trump in office, from your point of view that is pretty nasty stuff indeed.

[Emil El Zapato]

Yes i was surprised why so many would not take the vaxx's in or during Trump in office, from your point of view that is pretty nasty stuff indeed.

Because the Fool's Gold was advocating to drink bleach and naturally his mindless horde went with it. No mystery there Aianawa.

[Fred Steeves]

Because the Fool's Gold was advocating to drink bleach and naturally his mindless horde went with it. No mystery there Aianawa.

I think you're remembering what you want to remember.

Of course it was a knucklehead idea regardless, but he said "disinfectant", not "bleach", and he never suggested to drink (or inject) it either:
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=trump+inject+bleach&view=detail&mid=0990B5C1D8EE1B10672E0990B5C1D8EE1B10672E&FORM=VIRE

Of note: It's the alcohol in most disinfectants that neutralizes the virus, not bleach.



He was also a strong advocate of the vaccine:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSfeCqKty9o

Remember "Operation Warp Speed"?

(Chuckling) - Damn you for me having to look like I'm defending the guy, but facts take precedent over ideological demands... :rolleyes:

[Emil El Zapato]

I think you're remembering what you want to remember.

Of course it was a knucklehead idea regardless, but he said "disinfectant", not "bleach", and he never suggested to drink (or inject) it either:
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=trump+inject+bleach&view=detail&mid=0990B5C1D8EE1B10672E0990B5C1D8EE1B10672E&FORM=VIRE

Of note: It's the alcohol in most disinfectants that neutralizes the virus, not bleach.



He was also a strong advocate of the vaccine:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSfeCqKty9o

Remember "Operation Warp Speed"?

(Chuckling) - Damn you for me having to look like I'm defending the guy, but facts take precedent over ideological demands... :rolleyes:

lol...he's really not worth correcting the record for, at least in my opinion. He's dung, totally useless and doesn't deserve anything from anybody.

[Fred Steeves]

lol...he's really not worth correcting the record for, at least in my opinion. He's dung, totally useless and doesn't deserve anything from anybody.

The more you talk like that, the more you sound just like the man. Ready with the cheap insult, and a bent towards anti intellectualism.

[Emil El Zapato]

The more you talk like that, the more you sound just like the man. Ready with the cheap insult, and a bent towards anti intellectualism.

There is zero excuse for the Fool's Gold. Do your worst, Fred. He is beneath contempt. I'll let God do the judging.

[Aragorn]

The more you talk like that, the more you sound just like the man. Ready with the cheap insult, and a bent towards anti intellectualism.

There is zero excuse for the Fool's Gold. Do your worst, Fred. He is beneath contempt. I'll let God do the judging.

You're missing the point, Chuckie. It's not about what Donald Trump deserves or does not deserve. It's about the truth and nothing but the truth. Knee-jerk dismissals of the facts — no matter who he is — are just as bad as what Trump himself and his adherents have been doing, and it's doing a disservice to society.

You cannot fight lies with other lies, because then it'll only come down to who shouts the loudest. Facts are facts, and they are verifiable. Don't stoop down to their level.

[Aianawa]

Well MMS was my go to and though i have never tested and not been ill though immune compromised, feel it did the trick.

It took research and feels n lots of meditation etc, a friend was doing miracle stuff with it for people about ten years ago, i was not interested myself at the time but watched the results for people, especialllly a couple of no hope cases, one rite outa hospital, watched absesses cleared up in a week, pure joy to be part of, will be interesting in the future when we find out why certain anti parasitical cures were so effective.

[Emil El Zapato]

You're missing the point, Chuckie. It's not about what Donald Trump deserves or does not deserve. It's about the truth and nothing but the truth. Knee-jerk dismissals of the facts — no matter who he is — are just as bad as what Trump himself and his adherents have been doing, and it's doing a disservice to society.

You cannot fight lies with other lies, because then it'll only come down to who shouts the loudest. Facts are facts, and they are verifiable. Don't stoop down to their level.

I didn't say it earlier but my personal opinion is that the Golden One really had nothing to do with that effort. The people around him were responsible (Was Fauci in the picture yet). If anything it would have been lurking in the background trying ways to subvert the effort and then conveniently taking credit when it bore fruit. I'm not being hypocritical, I believe the same about any President, they only get historical credit or blame for things whether they were instrumental or not. We all know that. For example, Biden's stupid move in denying invitations to some of the leaders in the Americas. Did he do that, possibly or was it his advisors? Biden is old school, I believe he would have been on board to take the advice of his 'people'. Perhaps, he insisted, and hopefully by now realizes how bad he f*cked up. Ultimately, it was strictly a political move to show the world and gain favor in the U.S. Like I said ... stupid.

[Aragorn]

You're missing the point, Chuckie. It's not about what Donald Trump deserves or does not deserve. It's about the truth and nothing but the truth. Knee-jerk dismissals of the facts — no matter who he is — are just as bad as what Trump himself and his adherents have been doing, and it's doing a disservice to society.

You cannot fight lies with other lies, because then it'll only come down to who shouts the loudest. Facts are facts, and they are verifiable. Don't stoop down to their level.

I didn't say it earlier but my personal opinion is that the Golden One really had nothing to do with that effort.

Well, that's debatable. He didn't actually instigate and organize the attempted coup, but he was surely wishing and hoping for it first — and quite vocally too, not to mention his active participation in the behind-the-scenes efforts at getting the voting results themselves corrupted — and then when it actually happened, he was supporting it.


The people around him were responsible (Was Fauci in the picture yet). If anything it would have been lurking in the background trying ways to subvert the effort and then conveniently taking credit when it bore fruit. I'm not being hypocritical, I believe the same about any President, they only get historical credit or blame for things whether they were instrumental or not. We all know that. For example, Biden's stupid move in denying invitations to some of the leaders in the Americas. Did he do that, possibly or was it his advisors? Biden is old school, I believe he would have been on board to take the advice of his 'people'. Perhaps, he insisted, and hopefully by now realizes how bad he f*cked up. Ultimately, it was strictly a political move to show the world and gain favor in the U.S. Like I said ... stupid.

Oh yes, when push comes to shove, the policy mainly comes from the president's entourage, and the president is only a front man — the public face of any given administration (and its corporate sponsors). That's a given.

[Fred Steeves]

For example, Biden's stupid move in denying invitations to some of the leaders in the Americas. Did he do that, possibly or was it his advisors? Biden is old school, I believe he would have been on board to take the advice of his 'people'. Perhaps, he insisted, and hopefully by now realizes how bad he f*cked up. Ultimately, it was strictly a political move to show the world and gain favor in the U.S. Like I said ... stupid.

I would have to say that decisions such as these, hinge more upon empire's wants and needs, and not so much any given sitting president. Cuba, Nicaragua, and relative newcomer Venezuela, have steadfastly refused over the years to bend the knee to Yankee Doodle. Empire never forgives, and empire never forgets. Not that these countries particularly care about that any more, that's the price of doing business without the blessings of empire, but Yankee Doodle still needs to give the appearance of the scolding parent disciplining their wayward children, even though I'm quite sure that's fairly obvious to people outside of the States.

What's that Reagan used to say? Something like "there they go again".

[Aianawa]

In this day n age, what data source has cred ?

[Emil El Zapato]

In this day n age, what data source has cred ?

Me.

[Aragorn]

In this day n age, what data source has cred ?

None of the ones you're looking unto, Vern, and least of all if they have their HQ in the United States of America.

[Emil El Zapato]

None of the ones you're looking unto, Vern, and least of all if they have their HQ in the United States of America.

Redirects from various countries.

[Aianawa]

None of the ones you're looking unto, Vern, and least of all if they have their HQ in the United States of America.

Broken record time spose, gather data from sources available and thyself if available, make sausage.

[Aianawa]

https://t.co/Qz1wJXnlyu
Cannot get image here, it is of a photo of >

The Daily Wire, Which Now Boasts 890,000 Paid Subscribers, Signs Jordan Peterson To Its New DailyWire+

Over the past three months, The Daily Wire has added tens of thousands of new paying subscribers — pushing the overall subscriber number for the conservative news and media empire founded by Ben Shapiro, Caleb Robinson, and Jeremy Boreing to 890,000. That puts the company, the subscriber base for which stood just shy of the 600,000 mark back in April, within striking distance of 1 million, a number that might actually be achieved sooner rather than later as a result of a series of updates and announcements that the company laid out on Wednesday, June 29.

Just weeks after the release of The Daily Wire’s latest feature film — the Gina Carano-led western Terror on the Praire, part of the Netflix-like slate of original content that’s now an included Daily Wire subscriber benefit — the company has announced the launch of something new: DailyWire+.

That’s the name of a platform, which goes live immediately, that will house the company’s growing library of video content. All of which is the product of an effort that, by degrees, is pushing the company into a realm far afield from the web-based news site for which it’s long been known.

Forbes

[Aianawa]

None of the ones you're looking unto, Vern, and least of all if they have their HQ in the United States of America.

So i look into both sides as such, meditation n gut, make sausage, mmm things are attached though theys say >


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RUg504zDLY&t=122s

[Aianawa]

Yes or no ?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSRfu5nek8c&t=17s

Lot of from the horses mouth reporting in news of late.

[Aianawa]

Intense and enjoyable and research and data ? great watch imo


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPisp_VgEO8

Scientific value ???

Feel you will enjoy this Wind.

[Aianawa]

Am having to get data and info from anywhere but corporat media due to there is no news of this in corporat media world wide by the research have done so far, can you guess what this huge data point is ?, involves a whole nation, one border has been shut off at least, know now ?, countries name starts with N, know now ?.

Makes what is happening a not happening thing if not reported by corporat news ?.

[Silly Wabbit]

Where are you from Vern, and what would you like to know about America? I am sure that you could get an honest view from an actual American who is not affiliated with corporate media, if you just ask one of us. If we do not know, we can certain say that, but there are many things we do know, as we do live it daily here...

[Aianawa]

Gosh i find it amazing the states and USA, only know a few USAians, a question for you wabbit would be do all USAians not see dumster on fire economicalllly and kam kam and biden directly ?.

[Aianawa]

Where are you from Vern, and what would you like to know about America? I am sure that you could get an honest view from an actual American who is not affiliated with corporate media, if you just ask one of us. If we do not know, we can certain say that, but there are many things we do know, as we do live it daily here...

New Zealand Wabbit.

This needs to be here also imo


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAnpvte1l10&t=2s

[Aragorn]

This needs to be here also imo

No Vern, it doesn't. This is a thread devoted to discussing the validity of information sources, not a thread for giving airtime to certain information sources.

There already is a Russell Brand thread, and the above video has no place on this thread here. For that matter, the same is true with regard to a number of other videos and articles you've already been posting here. In other words, you are both derailing this thread and once again displaying an unconditional information bias.

[modwiz]

In The War of Narratives, I am an observer.

An observer with an opinion expressed by a combination of the following::grin:

:rolleyes::blink::confused::eek::noidea::hmm::scrh d::meditating::getcoat::bolt::shocked::priest::vom ::fpalm::facepalm::dan::banana::yoda::omg::popc::K night::holysheep::wiz:

[Aianawa]

No Vern, it doesn't. This is a thread devoted to discussing the validity of information sources, not a thread for giving airtime to certain information sources.

There already is a Russell Brand thread, and the above video has no place on this thread here. For that matter, the same is true with regard to a number of other videos and articles you've already been posting here. In other words, you are both derailing this thread and once again displaying an unconditional information bias.

TOTally dissagree, put on Brands thread and then i watched, my golly i thought n felt, this deserves it's own thread due to the data regards info n data sharing and not sharing, then remembered this here thread, as you will notice as you watched, very deserving of being here indeed or did you not watch and assumed ?.

[Octopus Garden]

Consensus reality is breaking down. It's a problem.

[Aianawa]

Be absolutely amazing to watch, nasty though for many.

Have imagined somewhat the point-s we are at atm and this is intense, far more than i thought or felt.

Amazing that the USA is being told nope you not be in a reccession lol, the 1984 speak is incredible.


Consensus reality is breaking down. It's a problem.

Hows you OG ?

[Aianawa]

OKay Shire, here is a doozey and bless you what n whichever the outcome for you, some here will know Clif, Moddy this may or may not scratch your brain n or mind.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/mZi8LLOMeK2H/

Now why put it here, ahhh it is imo the ultimate in unvalidating and validating of ? that i have come across since a long time.

Will look at it being it's own thread.

[modwiz]

OKay Shire, here is a doozey and bless you what n whichever the outcome for you, some here will know Clif, Moddy this may or may not scratch your brain n or mind.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/mZi8LLOMeK2H/

Now why put it here, ahhh it is imo the ultimate in unvalidating and validating of ? that i have come across since a long time.

Will look at it being it's own thread.

I watched this one the day it came out. I enjoy the perspective that Clif brings to the 'Narradigm'.

A new one came out today.


Also, consensus reality appears to be breaking down. That consensus is fed by the Western Narradigm.

It is the actually Narradigm that is breaking down.

[modwiz]

Consensus reality is breaking down. It's a problem.

It's kinda like the Mandela Effect.

Like, I remember not having to be a biologist to identify gender.:ha:

[Octopus Garden]

Be absolutely amazing to watch, nasty though for many.

Have imagined somewhat the point-s we are at atm and this is intense, far more than i thought or felt.

Amazing that the USA is being told nope you not be in a reccession lol, the 1984 speak is incredible.



Hows you OG ?

Hi Aianawa, Am in a viral twilight zone, in more ways than one. Withdrawing from the world and people. Thinking of getting an old dog or cat, that won't burn me out energy wise. Dog in a coma might work! How are you, Vern? I love your PM, btw!

[Octopus Garden]

It's kinda like the Mandela Effect.

Like, I remember not having to be a biologist to identify gender.:ha:

The alt/right take the most extreme transgender issues, that rarely come up in real life, and exaggerate them to cause alarm and outrage. The more outrage youtube personalities generate the more money they make. There other favorite topic is how biased and false msm is, and that it's all about money for THEM. In fact, the same perverse incentives underlie most alt right media. The alt/left is just playing catch up. They do the same, but to less a degree. All the same, there is this weird war going on for who guards the keys to the kingdom of 'Truth.'

I have a simple way of gauging how truthful anybody is by how often they use the word, 'truth.' Have found, in retrospect that the number of times the word was used, was inversely proportional to how much actual truth the blogger, youtuber disseminated. So that's the simple equation I use now. It seems to work fairly well.

[modwiz]

The alt/right take the most extreme transgender issues, that rarely come up in real life, and exaggerate them to cause alarm and outrage. The more outrage youtube personalities generate the more money they make. There other favorite topic is how biased and false msm is, and that it's all about money for THEM. In fact, the same perverse incentives underlie most alt right media. The alt/left is just playing catch up. They do the same, but to less a degree. All the same, there is this weird war going on for who guards the keys to the kingdom of 'Truth.'

I have a simple way of gauging how truthful anybody is by how often they use the word, 'truth.' Have found, in retrospect that the number of times the word was used, was inversely proportional to how much actual truth the blogger, youtuber disseminated. So that's the simple equation I use now. It seems to work fairly well.

As you have said, "Consensus reality is breaking down".

I agree with your remark about the 'truth'. The Western world has been living in a biblical narrative that defies all logic.........and gnosis.

They have their 'truth' but it is a poor ontological view. Geared to the average unremarkable intellect.

Truth for dummies.

[Aragorn]

I remember not having to be a biologist to identify gender.:ha:

As I understand it, the current trend would rather be to dismiss biology altogether on account of determining gender. Apparently gender is now merely something which is "assigned", and some idiots feel that the natural biological evolution of humans from childhood into adolescence should be genetically and/or pharmaceutically modified so as to create a time frame in which everyone can — or rather, must — decide on what gender they wish to have assigned to them. I kid you not. :rolleyes:

Mind you, I do not intend there to be any disrespect here toward trans-people, and in a way, I feel compassion toward them for first having to have suffered the pain of an identity crisis — and all of the social stigma, harassment and hatred that typically comes with it from all the usual sources — and then the physical suffering (and the financial burden) that they are putting themselves through for having their bodies surgically altered in order to escape that original suffering. It takes a lot of courage to endure all of that, and this should be appreciated and respected.

Yet, at the same time, all respect aside, changing one's physical gender appearance does not change one's biological gender itself. Therefore, I personally cannot regard such people as either male or female depending on what they have chosen to look like. For me, they are and will remain trans-people, and I will refer to them with the by them usually preferred gender-neutral third-person plural pronouns. For that matter, intersexual people go through much of the same suffering, and they were naturally born as biologically androgynous humans.

Therefore, my gripe is not with the trans-people themselves — everyone has a right to happiness, and no one should have to suffer. My gripe is with the "wokesters" who feel that their neuroticism should become everyone else's neuroticism too, and then expect there to no longer be any neuroticism anymore as a result. That is not a socio-political ideology; that's a neurotic projection which abuses the political apparatus in a completely illogical and self-defeating attempt at an unscientific form of auto-psychotherapy.

Another example of this is the push toward so-called "inclusive" language, which in reality is not inclusive but exclusive. One can now no longer refer to electrical or mechanical systems as "master and slave", or to connector pairs as "male and female", and one can now also no longer use the terms "blacklist" and "whitelist", because — Heaven forbids! — somebody somewhere might have non-existing memories of the time of slavery in the USA. And yet, they call it "inclusiveness", while at the same time, smoking on camera is now a taboo and may not be depicted anymore in any movie or TV series, let alone news broadcasts and interviews. :rolleyes:

Even Sinterklaas' helper Black Pete may now no longer be black, even though he was only black from getting covered in soot from crawling up and down the chimneys while delivering toys to the children — historically, Pete was not of African ethnicity, because he is always depicted wearing medieval Spanish clothing and was always understood to be of native Spanish origins.

I consider myself fairly progressive, but the above socio-political phenomena have nothing, zero, zilch to do with being progressive. Nothing whatsoever. If I had the money, I'd buy a large supply of dictionaries and ship them out to all the wokesters so that they can look up on the words "progressive" and "inclusive".

Being truly progressive would mean giving people of all genders and gender choices equal rights, equal opportunities and — since we are unfortunately living in a financial-economic system — equal salaries, and likewise for people of all ethnicities. Respect each other's freedom as you respect your own, and treat every human being with dignity and respect, regardless of who they are. Allow everyone to be happy as they are, as long as they are not harming anyone else — naturally, sociopaths are a hazard to everyone and anyone, and unfortunately, there will always be sociopaths among us. But we're all brothers and sisters, and we're all living on the same rock floating through space.

What being progressive does not mean is "getting rid of your personal neurotic impulses by ramming them down other people's throats and then expecting them to be happy with that." Because if that is how one feels, then one should visit a psychiatrist instead of creating political lobbies.