Official Admissions of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena in the sky

[Chris]

These videos contain interviews with US officials admitting to UAPs in our skies. None of them are saying that these are definitely extraterrestrial, only that they are unexplainable by the standards of our current science and technology and they admit that they have no idea where they come from or what their intentions are. Barack Obama would be the most high profile one of these. The 60 minutes clips contain actual footage of triangular and tic-tac shapes UFOS captured by the US armed forces (Navy and Air Force)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp6Ph5iTIgc&ab_channel=TheLateLateShowwithJamesCorden


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBtMbBPzqHY&ab_channel=60Minutes


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygB4EZ7ggig&ab_channel=60Minutes


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNsxtNUeFB4&ab_channel=60Minutes

[Emil El Zapato]

These videos contain interviews with US officials admitting to UAPs in our skies. None of them are saying that these are definitely extraterrestrial, only that they are unexplainable by the standards of our current science and technology and they admit that they have no idea where they come from or what their intentions are. Barack Obama would be the most high profile one of these. The 60 minutes clips contain actual footage of triangular and tic-tac shapes UFOS captured by the US armed forces (Navy and Air Force)

Copycat! :dog: I just like that cute little dog ...

I watched this last night ... promises for some interesting times in the near future ... I heard from a Stephen Greer connected individual that Greer is warning about a 'false UFO/UAP thingamagigy'


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcK5mHnHa9o


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBtMbBPzqHY

[Wind]

Why the media attention now, is this is a soft disclosure? MSM only shows what they want Joe Sixpack to know. Timing is suspect.

Bear in mind that the US government has not only known about UFO's since the late 40's, they have used advanced technology since too.

[Chris]

Note, that Obama said this when asked about Aliens:

"When it comes to Aliens, there are just some things I can't talk about."

He did not talk about merely UAPs, which have been officially confirmed to exist, so clearly he is allowed to talk about those. The rest is obviously still highly classified and compartmentalised, so very few people are aware of the full picture.

We know from Stephen Greer, that even the CIA director isn't privy to the full details and is kept in the dark about Aliens and UFOs in general. That is why he once gave a briefing on UFOs to the sitting CIA director (I think it was Brennan), as he was just bumping into walls, trying to find out what was going on within his own government. He was specifically told that his clearance wasn't high enough to be given that information. That may also apply to presidents, btw, who are mostly just figureheads.

As to why they are doing this slow, soft disclosure, it is hard to say, but I suspect, they might be getting pressure from the actual beings who fly these craft, whoever they may be.

You saw in the video, that navy pilots now encounter UAPs on a daily basis. Clearly, the mainstream can no longer go on like this, ignoring something that is so well-documented with thousands of reliable witnesses, photo, video and radar evidence.

Trouble is, we don't actually know what these UAPs are.

They may very well be advanced US aircraft or drones, they could be Russian or Chinese, they may come from a deep underwater civilisation that we have not yet encountered (note the underwater theme with a lot of these), they may be from outer space, a higher dimension (my best guess, based on the way they just appear out of nowhere, disappear again and defy all known laws of physics, with gravity being of particular note), a parallel universe or timeline, a hidden, folded dimension, from the future or the past, or they may be flying blue chicken coops from inner earth, because those white reptilians need to be kept fed...

You see the problem, we really have no idea. Which means, it is entirely safe for the authorities to disclose the existence of UAPs, admit they have no idea what they are and let conspiracy theorists and UFO researchers chew over it, destroying their own reputation in the process.

[Wind]

Trouble is, we don't actually know what these UAPs are.

Some know. :)

The "good guys" observe and visit us all the time or actually they never even fully left, but unfortunately there is the negative side too. They seem to have been working with the governments too. Humanity is considered an inferior species, one worthy of being slaves only to the negative ones, we are just energetic food. The light side of course doesn't see it that way. People just really don't have a clue.

w2ppyMUlXfM

[Chris]

Some know. :)

The "good guys" observe and visit us all the time or actually they never even fully left, but unfortunately there is the negative side too. They seem to have been working with the governments too. Humanity is considered an inferior species, one worthy of being slaves only to the negative ones, we are just energetic food. The light side of course doesn't see it that way. People just really don't have a clue.

w2ppyMUlXfM

I'm sorry Wind, but that's just pure speculation. What do we actually know that has concrete empirical proof behind it? Very little I'm afraid.

You referenced the Law of One material on another thread, which I like, but it is channelled information, coming from who knows where. Then we have people like Corey Goode to muddy the waters even further, so in the end, it is very hard to discern what might be true and what not.

I have more trust in the work of Stephen Greer, who seems more or less legit in terms of the documents he has in his possession, but he too is making assumptions and unverified claims.

I have some confidence in Bob Lazar, but there are some fishy things in his past too, so I wouldn't bet the house on him being legit.

Travis Walton, who was the protagonist of the Movie Fire in The Sky, pretty much has a rock solid story, so anything he reports on what he saw on the craft he was on gets a high degree of trust from me.

BTW, the aliens he actually encountered looked nothing like they were depicted in the movie, he saw small grey aliens and just standard blonde-haired humans who wouldn't have looked out of place in a US or European city. That also brings up the question whether they were aliens at all, or something else entirely (travellers from another/parallel dimension, time, timeline, universe, etc...)

[Aragorn]

Travis Walton, who was the protagonist of the Movie Fire in The Sky, pretty much has a rock solid story, so anything he reports on what he saw on the craft he was on gets a high degree of trust from me.

BTW, the aliens he actually encountered looked nothing like they were depicted in the movie, he saw small grey aliens and just standard blonde-haired humans who wouldn't have looked out of place in a US or European city. That also brings up the question whether they were aliens at all, or something else entirely (travellers from another/parallel dimension, time, timeline, universe, etc...)

I saw the movie, and I've watched several of Travis' interviews. He also states that (1) he was not naked (as depicted in the movie), and (2) the occupants of the craft were not malicious. Rather than that it would have been an abduction, he feels that the occupants of the craft were concerned for his wellbeing, as he seemed to have been accidentally hit by whatever force field was generated when the craft departed, and they wanted to make sure he was alright.

[Emil El Zapato]

Desensitization has been the goal all along. We're ready for some more but the full wham bam might still be too much.

[Wind]

You referenced the Law of One material on another thread, which I like, but it is channelled information, coming from who knows where.

Concrete physical evidence? Unfortunately people like us don't have access to things like that. If we did then we would be dead.

There is no speculation in the knowledge I have studied and I have read about these things extensively for a long time, but I don't just expect anyone to believe me. The Law of One material comes from the social memory complex called Ra, they're higher dimensional positive beings. Some of them are also currently incarnated here as human beings now, there's also many new age terms for that phenomenon. Starseeds, indigos, but I prefer the term wanderers. That stuff is as legit as it gets, but I understand why some people are wary of channeled material as there is so much crap out there. Corey Goode and Wilcock took that information and used it for their own greedy purposes, but it doesn't lessen the value and quality of the material. The point is to keep people confused and mix half-truths and lies with the truth. The truth is still the truth, it just takes a considerable amount of discernment to be able to find it and know what is true and what is not.

I don't btw care much about the talking heads when it comes to the UFO stuff, except maybe for some astronauts. Greer is a shady figure too who seems to have been compromised a good while ago. I would take anything he says with a spoonful of salt.

Most ET's in this solar system are humanoids, it seems that the "common" DNA structure has been spread that way locally. Perhaps that applies to the universe too, but of course there are many other types too, mostly from elsewhere. Mantids, reptilians, etc. The greys seem to be automatons.

[Emil El Zapato]

The ET types are an intriguing aspect of the phenomena.

[Chris]

Most ET's in this solar system are humanoids, it seems that the "common" DNA structure has been spread that way locally. Perhaps that applies to the universe too, but of course there are many other types too, mostly from elsewhere. Mantids, reptilians, etc. The greys seem to be automatons.

There's your first problem, right there. You talk about other humanoids in our solar system, yet there are no habitable planets in this one, other than earth. It stands to reason that they would have to come from another solar system with a similarly habitable planet in the goldilocks zone and then it would be very unlikely, based on what we know from biology and evolution, that they would look anything like us. Humanoid, perhaps, but looking like they just stepped off the flight from Oslo, the odds for that would have to be Astronomical. This is why I stress our lack of firm, factual knowledge and the need to be cautious in making assumptions.

[Wind]

There's your first problem, right there. You talk about other humanoids in our solar system, yet there are no habitable planets in this one, other than earth.

On the physical plane, yes. I didn't say that all of the humanoids would be made like we are, from flesh.

[Chris]

I saw the movie, and I've watched several of Travis' interviews. He also states that (1) he was not naked (as depicted in the movie), and (2) the occupants of the craft were not malicious. Rather than that it would have been an abduction, he feels that the occupants of the craft were concerned for his wellbeing, as he seemed to have been accidentally hit by whatever force field was generated when the craft departed, and they wanted to make sure he was alright.

Yes, and the most notable fact about it, is that the two types of Ufonauts on board were
a, Greys that looked very much like semi-biological, perhaps cloned automatons
b, Humans, who could have passed unnoticed in any European or North American city, but did not speak any recognisable language we would know.

I'm not sure what that tells us, but of all the available options, 'Aliens' seems like the least likely.

[Emil El Zapato]

Yes, and the most notable fact about it, is that the two types of Ufonauts on board were
a, Greys that looked very much like semi-biological, perhaps cloned automatons
b, Humans, who could have passed unnoticed in any European or North American city, but did not speak any recognisable language we would know.

I'm not sure what that tells us, but of all the available options, 'Aliens' seems like the least likely.

One of the obvious problems has always been a lack of hard information. Is there any hard information? My opinion would be that there is plenty. Michio Kaku once said that we misapprehend timescales. We shouldn't be measuring in hundreds or even thousands of years but millions, tens of millions. From our level of technical or spiritual knowledge, we simply can't place things in their proper perspective. What is true? We simply don't know. What can we imagine? Literally, almost anything?

[Aragorn]

There's your first problem, right there. You talk about other humanoids in our solar system, yet there are no habitable planets in this one, other than earth. It stands to reason that they would have to come from another solar system with a similarly habitable planet in the goldilocks zone and then it would be very unlikely, based on what we know from biology and evolution, that they would look anything like us.

One of the problems that I see with regard to speculation on what kind of species an intelligent extraterrestrial could be is that the planets in the Goldilocks zones that science is looking toward for signs of extraterrestrial intelligence are all orbiting red dwarfs.

From the astronomical point of view, it would indeed make sense to look for Earth-like planets there because exoplanets orbiting red dwarfs are much easier to spot than exoplanets orbiting much brighter stars. And if there is indeed an intelligent species living on a planet orbiting a red dwarf, then chances are that it would indeed also look very different from us, because of the great difference between our own Earth and such an exoplanet.

At the same time, exoplanets orbiting red dwarfs would also be the least likely habitat of any kind of life, because the harmful radiation spikes coming off a red dwarf are likely to eradicate all potential life at intervals probably too short to allow any life to develop there in the first place.

In order for truly human-like life to develop anywhere in the universe, it would have to be on a planet that's not only in its star's Goldilocks zone, but the planet would have to be virtually identical to Earth in mass, climate and orbit ─ with similar enough circadian cycles ─ and it would also have to have gone through the same kind of history as our Earth. So there would have to have been dinosaurs for over a hundred million years, and they would have to have been wiped out by an asteroid impact or a major volcanic eruption, allowing for mammals to flourish and grow.

Another thing to keep in mind is that if mankind ever manages to colonize Mars, then after a few generations, those Martians would no longer be human due to the difference in gravity, which will impact the development of their skeletons, their respiratory system, their muscles and even their brain and their blood circulation. And their circadian rhythms would be different too, as would women's menstrual cycles be.

Considering the odds, I'd say that, in all likelihood, 99.99999% of all existing intelligent extraterrestrial life will be nothing like us in appearance. And if Michio Kaku is right, then they probably wouldn't be coming to visit us in person just yet, but instead they would first and foremost send out machines to explore the galaxy, or if they can go farther than that, the universe. Machines are much more durable and much more suitable for space-faring than organic life.

By the way, all of this stuff ─ and more ─ has been discussed in a couple of the World Science Festival panel discussions I've posted here at the forum. ;)

[Wind]

Another thing to keep in mind is that if mankind ever manages to colonize Mars, then after a few generations, those Martians would no longer be human due to the difference in gravity, which will impact the development of their skeletons, their respiratory system, their muscles and even their brain and their blood circulation. And their circadian rhythms would be different too, as would women's menstrual cycles be.

Damn, that's quite interesting. Could you imagine the day when the first human would be born on Mars? Would be interesting from the point of astrology too because normally Earth is not in the readings as that's already the planet where we already are living in. Mars is the planet of our desires, actions, energy, passion, war, aggression, sex, and assertion, God of War. Then Mars would be the "starting point" for those humans who are born there, Earth would have a different influence on them as it would not be home.

[Aragorn]

Damn, that's quite interesting. Could you imagine the day when the first human would be born on Mars? Would be interesting from the point of astrology too because normally Earth is not in the readings as that's already the planet where we already are living in. Mars is the planet of our desires, actions, energy, passion, war, aggression, sex, and assertion, God of War. Then Mars would be the "starting point" for those humans who are born there, Earth would have a different influence on them as it would not be home.

Well, Elon Musk does plan to colonize Mars, and he has already stated that he'll declare independence from Earth if he succeeds. So, he's already speaking the tongue of war before mankind has even set foot on Mars. ;)

[Chris]

Damn, that's quite interesting. Could you imagine the day when the first human would be born on Mars? Would be interesting from the point of astrology too because normally Earth is not in the readings as that's already the planet where we already are living in. Mars is the planet of our desires, actions, energy, passion, war, aggression, sex, and assertion, God of War. Then Mars would be the "starting point" for those humans who are born there, Earth would have a different influence on them as it would not be home.

The space between us was made along those lines and I thought it was an excellent movie:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x73-573aWfs

[Emil El Zapato]

The space between us was made along those lines and I thought it was an excellent movie:

I'm surprised this slipped past me ... maybe it was the romance thing. I read a book a while back that was about a 1st mission to Mars. It was an interesting book but the mission ended in a complete failure. Constant emotional exhilaration and dejection. An uncharacteristic book, i think it would have been classified as vintage ... meaning it was written back in the 70's.

[Lord Sidious]

Fire in The Sky



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlCoc_OismQ

[Dreamtimer]

Ozzzzzzy!

The Space Between Us trailer was quite moving. I haven't seen the movie.

A friend and his daughter were working on a school project where they had to imagine a scenario where a Generations ship would send humans to a new planet.

I asked, what about the fact that generations will have grown up on the ship and may not want to go to a planet?

He said that was one of the conundrums they were working on.

[Chris]

UFO researcher Jeremy Corbell shows some brand new UFO footage, again with an underwater theme. It's a spherical craft diving into the Ocean at great speed, no wreckage found. Indications of some sort of gravity drive and if you ask me, some sort of phase distortion or perhaps an object shifted into another dimension. Another possibility would be some sort of force field, partially out of phase with our reality. The Navy searched for signs of wreckage, but found none.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVKkAluLS7o&ab_channel=TheHillTheHillVerified

[Emil El Zapato]

UFO researcher Jeremy Corbell shows some brand new UFO footage, again with an underwater theme. It's a spherical craft diving into the Ocean at great speed, no wreckage found. Indications of some sort of gravity drive and if you ask me, some sort of phase distortion or perhaps an object shifted into another dimension. Another possibility would be some sort of force field, partially out of phase with our reality. The Navy searched for signs of wreckage, but found none.

I know how these jet sensor systems work but I still wonder how they KNOW what they are seeing is physical. Just stating my shadow of a doubt. :) I'm getting ready to power up my infrared goggles and wear them whenever I'm outside at night smoking a cigarette. So now I have an ET hanging from rear view mirror, I've been telling my neighbor work stories that border on the paranoid, and they'll be seeing me sitting around with my goggles at night. I'm thinking I'm going to get a reputation.

[Aragorn]

I know how these jet sensor systems work but I still wonder how they KNOW what they are seeing is physical.

If it emanates or reflects electromagnetic radiation, then it is physical.


I'm getting ready to power up my infrared goggles and wear them whenever I'm outside at night smoking a cigarette.

While it is not impossible that you'd see something with civilian-grade night goggles, there are some things you would probably only detect if you had the restricted military-grade night goggles. :hmm:

[Dreamtimer]

"I'm thinking I'm going to get a reputation."

Gong to? ;)

[Emil El Zapato]

"I'm thinking I'm going to get a reputation."

Gong to? ;)

lol, yeah you're right ... :) and so are you Aragorn. But they 'were' military grade at one point ... those objects definitely reflect light. So in the end, their movement characteristics are what matters.

[Aragorn]

lol, yeah you're right ... :) and so are you Aragorn. But they 'were' military grade at one point ... those objects definitely reflect light. So in the end, their movement characteristics are what matters.

As a scientist and a sci-fi enthusiast, their propulsion system is what intrigues me the most. ;)

And come on, let's be honest, if several branches of the US military are unaware of what those things are and are willing to come clean about the sightings, then it's safe to assume that these objects are most likely not some classified US military technology, because if that were the case, then the entire US military would have good reason to be very, very angry with the Pentagon for keeping them out of the loop and running a secret operation behind their backs for who knows how many years or even decades. And given that the USA has the technologically most advanced military of all countries, I think we can just as safely assume that those things are also neither Russian nor Chinese.

So, to myself it's a clear-cut fact that these objects come from another world, and most likely, a world beyond our own solar system. And given how many of these things appear to have an affinity for the oceans, it is also very likely that they, whoever they are, might have one or several bases somewhere at the bottom of the ocean. After all, 90% of the world's oceans is still uncharted territory. Hell, they might even have bases under our feet, or somewhere up in the mountains.

As the matter of fact ─ and now I'm going to get into something that's both personal and a bit long-winded, but please bear with me ─ I am an avid collector of one particular comic book series. It's a Belgian comic book series by the name Yoko Tsuno (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoko_Tsuno), which debuted in 1969, and of which there are to date 29 albums and one novel. I don't own the novel, but I do own all of the comic book albums.

The series mostly revolves around technology, both terrestrial and current on the one hand, and futuristic ─ literally from the future, and thus involving time travel ─ and/or extraterrestrial on the other hand. The description of the technology is good, but not always scientifically accurate, because the series is primarily aimed at children, albeit that the plot twists, the interpersonal relationships and the psychology of the characters can sometimes be a bit too heavy for young children.

As comic books go, the characters don't appear to be aging over time, even though the pilot story appeared in 1969 while the most recent album appeared still as recently as 2019, and due to the author's tendency to want to depict the scenery as accurate to reality as possible, you do notice these era-specific things in the comics, such as in the evolution of the types of cars and technologies that appear throughout the series.

The main and titular character is Yoko Tsuno, a young Japanese woman ─ later on, it will also be revealed that she is actually one quarter Chinese ─ who is a brilliant electronics engineer and who has traveled to Europe in order to find an interesting job. She turns out to also have a black belt in aikido and to be an excellent pilot ─ gliders at first, then helicopters, and later on also various other aircraft, among which jets. Having traveled to Europe, Yoko ends up in Belgium, where she meets her two future best friends. Their names differ between the different language translations ─ the series is originally created in French, because the author, Roger Leloup, is a francophone Belgian ─ but in the Dutch version, they are called Ben and Paul, albeit that Ben is also sometimes referred to as Max in the first couple of albums, presumably because the translators weren't sure yet on what name to give him.

With the exception of album #4, which comprises four unrelated short stories, and album #29, which comprises two longer stories that, although unrelated, naturally flow from one into the other, the recipe is usually one story per album, and every album essentially stands on its own. Nevertheless, there are several recurring story arcs, as well as returning secondary characters. One of these recurring story arcs is the one from the very first album.

In this first album, Yoko comes to meet Ben and Paul for the first time. At the time of that story, Ben and Paul are friends and colleagues at the national television network ─ Ben as a producer and Paul as a cameraman. Especially Ben appears intrigued by Yoko, whom they come to meet when she is trying to break into a building ─ as it turns out, she was hired by the owner of the building for establishing whether his burglar alarm was effective ─ and he offers Yoko a job as a fellow investigator in a documentary they're about to shoot on the subject of a river that appears to vanish into a cave but never resurfaces again.

As Yoko, Ben and Paul are investigating the cave, the water level of the river suddenly rises very fast for no explicable reason. Donning their scuba gear, they get into the water, but an inexplicable, strong current quickly draws them through an underground tunnel, which then transitions into a glassy-looking tube, and they find themselves washed on a gigantic grate. As they are slowly regaining their composure, they find themselves surrounded by strange-looking humans with a blue skin, all wearing a strange uniform and speaking a language they don't understand. The blue-skinned humans urge them to get onboard of a very advanced looking craft ─ a kind of maglev device, but without any visible rails.

After traveling for about half an hour at an incredible speed, they disembark the craft, and they are greeted by a blonde and blue-skinned young woman who hands each of them a lightweight headphone set, and once they put those on, they can understand her as if she is speaking Dutch. The girl introduces herself as Khany and tells them she will be their guide. After a brief altercation with another blue-skinned individual who appears to be the head of security of the blue-skinned people and who brutalizes Khany, Khany takes them for a trip on another craft, similar to the one they arrived in, but much larger.

During the trip, Khany explains that she and her people come from a planet called Vinea in the M33 galaxy ─ also known as the Triangulum galaxy ─ at 2 million light-years from Earth. Their planet was orbiting two suns, which were moving closer and closer together, rendering their planet uninhabitable because of the rise in surface heat and the radiation. The Vineans sought to leave their world before it would be destroyed and were planning to build 100 ships, in which the people would be put in stasis, controlled by an artificial intelligence. However, only 11 ships were completed, and while the first 10 ships wandered out throughout the Triangulum galaxy, the 11th ship ended up here in the Milky Way, in orbit around Earth, 400'000 years ago. Then, a number of people were awoken from their stasis by the artificial intelligence controlling the ship, and those people began exploring Earth.

As the Vineans saw that Earth humans were beginning to develop around that time, and as they had already been living underground on their own planet for a long time due to the heat and the radiation at the surface, the decision was made to start living underground on Earth as well. Once the underground bases were created, and the ship that brought them here had been dismantled and moved underground, a number of the Vineans were put back into stasis, while the rest kept operating the base. As such, the Vineans have been living underground here on Earth for 400'000 years already, periodically bringing people out of their stasis to replace those who were getting too old to still do any work.

Throughout the first couple of albums that feature the Vineans, Khany is always accompanied by a blonde and blue-skinned little girl of about five or six years old, named Poky, but the bond between them is never explained until much later in the series, when Khany and her friends appeal unto Yoko, Ben and Paul again in an attempt to return to their home world by way of an artificial wormhole. At that point ─ and near the end of that particular story ─ it is revealed that Khany and Poky are actually twin sisters, but that Poky was awoken from her stasis much later than Khany, so that Khany now appears to be about 20 years older.

With the exception of Karpan, the head of security, who appears to be a sociopathic megalomaniac, the Vineans living under the Earth are depicted as a technologically highly advanced but nevertheless very peaceful people. They certainly possess the technology to take over the world if they wanted to ─ and especially if you consider that they arrived here on Earth 400'000 years ago, when Earth humans were still wearing animal skins and beating each other over the head with wooden sticks and animal bones ─ but they don't. Instead, they respect humanity and they are keeping their existence on Earth a secret. Their flying craft are all equipped with surveillance-suppressing equipment, and they avoid any kind of contact, except for Yoko, Ben, Paul and anyone that the three of them deem necessary to be brought in on the Vineans' underground existence.

Now, all of that is of course a recurring story arc in a comic book series, but it's an interesting concept nevertheless. So, indeed, what if there actually are extraterrestrials living under our feet, and maybe have been living there from before the industrial age? :hmm:

[Wind]

The main and titular character is Yoko Tsuno, a young Japanese woman ─ later on, it will also be revealed that she is actually one quarter Chinese ─ who is a brilliant electronics engineer and who has traveled to Europe in order to find an interesting job.

Hey, that used to be one of my all time favorite comic books too ever since I was a child, I still actually sometimes read those comics. I felt that my "ideal woman" would be like Yoko, I might have had a semi crush on a cartoon character if that is possible. I've had connections to Japan and China, I'll just leave it there. :p

Many of those UFO's are not exactly physical vehicles and they move between dimensions at the speed of thought as that is the fastest thing in the universe. The physical vehicles if there are any are far less superior technology and are probably operated by lower intelligence or might be even remotely controlled.

[Emil El Zapato]

Hey, that used to be one of my all time favorite comic books too ever since I was a child, I still actually sometimes read those comics. I felt that my "ideal woman" would be like Yoko, I might have had a semi crush on a cartoon character if that is possible. I've had connections to Japan and China, I'll just leave it there. :p

Many of those UFO's are not exactly physical vehicles and they move between dimensions at the speed of thought as that is the fastest thing in the universe. The physical vehicles if there are any are far less superior technology and are probably operated by lower intelligence or might be even remotely controlled.

You ever seen "Who Framed Roger Rabbit"? ... it's possible ... :)

[Aragorn]

The main and titular character is Yoko Tsuno, a young Japanese woman ─ later on, it will also be revealed that she is actually one quarter Chinese ─ who is a brilliant electronics engineer and who has traveled to Europe in order to find an interesting job.

Hey, that used to be one of my all time favorite comic books too ever since I was a child, I still actually sometimes read those comics.

I also still do read them from time to time. That's why I bought the whole series as a full pack ─ with the exception of the last five or six albums, which I've bought separately later as they hadn't been released yet at that point in time ─ while the couple of Yoko Tsuno albums my brother and I had as children are either at my brother's place now, or else they have been lost.


I felt that my "ideal woman" would be like Yoko, I might have had a semi crush on a cartoon character if that is possible. I've had connections to Japan and China, I'll just leave it there. :p

My favorite character in that series is actually Khany ─ and has been ever since I was a young boy ─ although Yoko is certainly pretty and charming too. :p


https://i.pinimg.com/564x/e5/d8/e4/e5d8e423bfff98e17ba91dc6503e007b.jpg


Many of those UFO's are not exactly physical vehicles and they move between dimensions at the speed of thought as that is the fastest thing in the universe. The physical vehicles if there are any are far less superior technology and are probably operated by lower intelligence or might be even remotely controlled.

The ones you term as non-physical are not necessarily superior in technology. They are probably from a higher-dimensional environment and completely incomparable to anything that exists within our spacetime continuum.

Also, I don't think the "physical" ships would be remotely controlled. It makes much more sense ─ as Michio Kaku says ─ that they would be autonomous machines, controlled by an A.I. Space is too hostile an environment for organic life: harmful doses of ionizing radiation, a lack of gravity, psychological issues resulting from being locked up inside a tin can away from family and loved ones, the possible loss of life due to malfunctions or hull breaches, and so on. Any species with an advanced enough technology for interstellar travel will probably be sending out A.I.-powered reconnaissance drones first before making physical contact themselves.

[Wind]

You ever seen "Who Framed Roger Rabbit"? ... it's possible ... :)

Yes... Didn't forget Jessica Rabbit either.


I also still do read them from time to time. That's why I bought the whole series as a full pack ─ with the exception of the last five or six albums, which I've bought separately later as they hadn't been released yet at that point in time ─ while the couple of Yoko Tsuno albums my brother and I had as children are either at my brother's place now, or else they have been lost.

There have been new albums released too and I've been intending to buy them.

[Chris]

There are many yarns to unravel there, you bring up some very interesting points, Aragorn

Regarding the propulsion system, we can probably assume that it is some sort of gravity-based warp drive, of the kind that NASA is currently working on, perhaps a more advanced version of the Albucierre-drive.

It may be more advanced that even that, because we see these craft disappearing into thin air and crashing into water at high speeds without suffering any damage (though there was apparently an audible splash in the above case). The gravity propulsion may generate some sort of force field that perhaps even takes the craft out of ordinary spacetime, thus there is no inertial damage or gravitational pull on the craft.

As for the blue-skinned aliens, that story reminds me of a chapter in the Bhagavata Purana, one of the holiest books in Hinduism, which describes the 10 Avatars of Vishnu and their lives here on earth. There is mention of the Vimanas, which are essentially more primitive versions of UFOs, that were built and operated both by the gods, and their part-human progeny (known as demi-gods or HEROS in Greek). The Vimanika Shastra actually describes how one would build a Vimana on their own, it has a very simple propulsion drive based on spinning liquid mercury, which is supposed to create some sort of gravitational or force field, propelling the craft forward at great speeds. but the details elude me.

Anyways, the Bhagavata Purana describes a devotee of Vishnu given the special privilege of visiting Vishnu's home planet, known as Vaikuntha. Vishnu's charioteer arrives for him and his family. He is given some sort of substance to drink, which makes his body shine, like that of the devas (shining ones in sanskrit). He is told, that this is the only way he can reach Vaikuntha. He is then taken there in this heavenly chariot and it is made pretty clear that the journey is through space. When he arrives there, he finds a planet much like earth, though more of a veritable paradise, with pleasant gardens, palaces and so forth. He meets Vishnu, who of course, we already know, is blue-skinned and four-armed, but he is surprised to learn, that all the other inhabitants of this planet are also blue-skinned and four-armed. If I recall, he is later returned to earth, which is why we know about this story.

The Mahabharata also contains a reference to interstellar travel. This time it is Arjuna, son of Indra, king of the gods. Again, a divine chariot is sent to pick him up, during the Journey, he describes the various planets (such as Saturn) whizzing by, then finally, stars too as they exit the solar system. On arrival he is greeted by all the great gods (who are mostly human-looking, except for their shining countenance) and is given tasks to perform, which includes various battles. In one instance, he defeats a race opposed to Indra, who live in a giant floating city and uses various magical weapons, and Indra's flying chariot, to defeat them. The planet he is on, the flying city, the weapons being used are all described in great detail.

These are just some of the better-known examples, but ancient myth is full of descriptions and stories like these, so perhaps it makes sense to pay attention to them.

Also of note, from ancient myth:

- The Sumerians believed that civilisation was imparted upon them by seven sages, who came from the sea and were sort of fish-like humanoids. This is why Sumerian priests wore fish costumes and the Pope still does, with his fish-head hat.

- Both the Sumerians and the Hindus believed in an extensive watery underworld, deep behind the earth's surface, with oceans, rivers and entire civilisations, some of them quite bizarre, like the Nagas, who were part snake, part human.

- All ancient civilisations believed that their knowledge came from somewhere else, imparted to them by god-like beings, either from the Heavens (interstellar space), the Underworld, or the Oceans.

Again, we are firmly on speculative territory here, but it is worth pondering all the possibilities. Maybe one day, we will find out the truth.

[Chris]

The US NAVY is moving along with soft disclosure.

Some pretty important info on the kind of technology that is being witnessed by US navy personnel, US Navy chief estimates technology is at least 100-1000 years ahead of our own, speculation that our sending out radio messages and exploratory spacecraft is drawing all this extra terrestrial attention to our planet.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azZ4XAZuVk4

[Chris]

JPL scientist Fran Blanche reacts to the recent admission by the Pentagon, that UFOs are real and makes some good points, some of which we have already made here, about the likely nature of these craft. She reckons they are higher-dimensional, in fact she believes what we are actually seeing is a 3D reflection of a 5-dimensional object.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6tDHZj5q5Q&t=1047s&ab_channel=CNNCNNVerified

[Wind]

Good thinking there and close to the truth.

[Aragorn]

JPL scientist Fran Blanche reacts to the recent admission by the Pentagon, that UFOs are real and makes some good points, some of which we have already made here, about the likely nature of these craft. She reckons they are higher-dimensional, in fact she believes what we are actually seeing is a 3D reflection of a 5-dimensional object.

While I'm not completely going to discount the possibility of a higher-dimensional object intersecting with our reality, personally I think that this is not the case ─ or at least, not with regard to these particular objects.

First of all, if it were a higher-dimensional object that's intersecting with our reality, then it would morph as it moves, but these objects all have a solid appearance that doesn't change as they move. Secondly, if they were higher-dimensional, then they probably wouldn't even need to intersect with our reality, because they'd be able to look right into it, just as we would be able to look into Flatland without intersecting with it.

So, my personal opinion is that (1) they are three-dimensional, just like us, (2) they are probably unmanned and controlled by an A.I., and (3), they probably use some kind of warp drive that bends spacetime around them and uses a gravity well in front of the object and/or an expanding spacetime bubble behind it for propulsion. So they would indeed not be moving through the air itself ─ as one of the pilots remarked, they don't have any aerodynamic control surfaces (i.e. wings and rudders) ─ but they would somehow be isolated from it.

:hmm:

[Emil El Zapato]

JPL scientist Fran Blanche reacts to the recent admission by the Pentagon, that UFOs are real and makes some good points, some of which we have already made here, about the likely nature of these craft. She reckons they are higher-dimensional, in fact she believes what we are actually seeing is a 3D reflection of a 5-dimensional object.

Would you cut that out, Chris ... I watched this last night. A JPL scientist, I racked my brain to try to remember if I knew her or had ever seen her. I concluded not...


While I'm not completely going to discount the possibility of a higher-dimensional object intersecting with our reality, personally I think that this is not the case ─ or at least, not with regard to these particular objects.

First of all, if it were a higher-dimensional object that's intersecting with our reality, then it would morph as it moves, but these objects all have a solid appearance that doesn't change as they move. Secondly, if they were higher-dimensional, then they probably wouldn't even need to intersect with our reality, because they'd be able to look right into it, just as we would be able to look into Flatland without intersecting with it.

So, my personal opinion is that (1) they are three-dimensional, just like us, (2) they are probably unmanned and controlled by an A.I., and (3), they probably use some kind of warp drive that bends spacetime around them and uses a gravity well in front of the object and/or an expanding spacetime bubble behind it for propulsion. So they would indeed not be moving through the air itself ─ as one of the pilots remarked, they don't have any aerodynamic control surfaces (i.e. wings and rudders) ─ but they would somehow be isolated from it.

:hmm:

One other way to look at it though is to imagine they just 'poke' in, do their thing and when they disappear they've poked out. It's hard to imagine actually ... but, of course it is. :)

[Chris]

While I'm not completely going to discount the possibility of a higher-dimensional object intersecting with our reality, personally I think that this is not the case ─ or at least, not with regard to these particular objects.

First of all, if it were a higher-dimensional object that's intersecting with our reality, then it would morph as it moves, but these objects all have a solid appearance that doesn't change as they move. Secondly, if they were higher-dimensional, then they probably wouldn't even need to intersect with our reality, because they'd be able to look right into it, just as we would be able to look into Flatland without intersecting with it.

So, my personal opinion is that (1) they are three-dimensional, just like us, (2) they are probably unmanned and controlled by an A.I., and (3), they probably use some kind of warp drive that bends spacetime around them and uses a gravity well in front of the object and/or an expanding spacetime bubble behind it for propulsion. So they would indeed not be moving through the air itself ─ as one of the pilots remarked, they don't have any aerodynamic control surfaces (i.e. wings and rudders) ─ but they would somehow be isolated from it.

:hmm:

Possibly what we're seeing is a reflection from hyperspace, or interdimensional space, in any case, they seem to "warp" in and out of our reality at will. I have a feeling we're soon going to know a lot more about this, the floodgates have opened, so we can expect a lot more disclosure coming our way.

Another thing that's worth pondering is why the government secrecy, why have they been trying to hush this up until now and why are they now being more open about it?

My pet theory, is that there are religious reasons behind it. Ironically, I think this ongoing disclosure is going to shatter the world-view of both Atheists and Theists. Atheists are going to find out that the gods they thought didn't exist, actually do, which is the smaller issue as I think they can handle that information, I know I have, when I had to face that realisation.

The bigger issue is with theists, who are going to find out that the gods are indeed real, but that there isn't just one of them, there are many different kinds, none of them are omnipotent and omniscient like they thought they were, but were simply advanced beings from other worlds (whether dimensionally, or in terms of being from another planet, possibly both), who may be vastly superior to us not just in intelligence, but spiritual abilities, which our modern society has allowed to completely lapse.

Imagine if some grey alien stepped off a craft and told everyone, yeah, I'm the Yahweh of your Bible, I'm back to see how you guys were doing with the instructions I gave you. Just imagine the reaction, it would be catastrophic to most people's sense of self and world-view.

Another worry that I do have, is the possibility that some ancient accounts are correct and we were actually created to serve the gods. If they were to come back, won't they demand that we start serving them again, inferior beings that we are, or else...

A common trope in sci-fi and even comedy, is the idea that superior beings would want to enslave us and just use us as servants, which is rooted in ancient myth.

Also, even if official first contact (I'm sure it happened a long time ago behind the scenes) were to be largely positive, we found out that these beings had our best interests at heart, imagine the reaction of religious types (the vast majority of humanity overall), they would start talking about them being demons (been there), agents of Satan, antichrist, end of the world, judgement day, etc...

This I think is the main reason we cannot have nice things, e.g. full disclosure.

Also, these beings might demand that we get our shit together, stop destroying the planet, treat other species with respect (by that I mean animals and plants, the natural world in general), give them their due living space, etc...

What would be the reaction if they told us, we can no longer exploit other species and the natural world for our economic benefit, say they insisted we stopped eating meat. Just imagine the backlash!

So, this is where I start seeing some sense in the governments of the world being careful with disclosure and doing it slowly and gradually, probably partly through movies and pop culture. They want us to become familiar with the idea of higher beings visiting us, so they can slowly drip-feed us the truth, probably over a course of several decades.

This is actually what I think the slew of superhero movies are doing (Wonder Woman was good, all the other ones, Meh...), which we have absolutely been flooded with lately. Notice how most of the Characters are a mixture of alien, divine, interdimensional and whatnot. Thor is a classic example. He is rooted in ancient myth, but he is also from another planet and has special abilities that humans don't possess. Superman is pretty much the same in that respect. I don't think it is a coincidence that these movies and tropes have become inescapable lately, they are probably all being pushed as a form of soft disclosure and preparation for either the actual truth coming out or how the government wants us to see these beings.

[Dreamtimer]

This has been great reading. I really enjoyed learning about Yoko Tsuno. I think I'd really like the series (or novel).

Thank you Chris for your nice summaries of the ancient stories. And for sharing your ideas about the ships and how they might operate.

I've been interested in both the fish people and the nagas. There's so much to delve into.

And thank you for posting Fran. I haven't seen any of her videos.

Lots to look forward to yet. :thup:

[Aragorn]

Possibly what we're seeing is a reflection from hyperspace, or interdimensional space, in any case, they seem to "warp" in and out of our reality at will.

It is quite possible that they would be able to jump from one location in the quantum field to another, because at the level of the quantum field, distance does not exist. Yet on the other hand, it is also quite possible that they can simply move so fast by way of a warp field that it only appears to us as if they're suddenly disappearing out of our reality, in the sense that they would simply be moving away from us at speeds close to the speed of light.


I have a feeling we're soon going to know a lot more about this, the floodgates have opened, so we can expect a lot more disclosure coming our way.

I have the same feeling. ;)


Another thing that's worth pondering is why the government secrecy, why have they been trying to hush this up until now and why are they now being more open about it?

Because that would make it clear to the population that there are things that even the government and the military are no match for, and because the governments also don't want the people to come anywhere near contemplating the idea that there might be other ways of organizing a society than having the people enslaved by a monetary system and a pseudo-democracy run by an elite political caste.


My pet theory, is that there are religious reasons behind it. Ironically, I think this ongoing disclosure is going to shatter the world-view of both Atheists and Theists. Atheists are going to find out that the gods they thought didn't exist, actually do, which is the smaller issue as I think they can handle that information, I know I have, when I had to face that realisation.

The bigger issue is with theists, who are going to find out that the gods are indeed real, but that there isn't just one of them, there are many different kinds, none of them are omnipotent and omniscient like they thought they were, but were simply advanced beings from other worlds (whether dimensionally, or in terms of being from another planet, possibly both), who may be vastly superior to us not just in intelligence, but spiritual abilities, which our modern society has allowed to completely lapse.

Imagine if some grey alien stepped off a craft and told everyone, yeah, I'm the Yahweh of your Bible, I'm back to see how you guys were doing with the instructions I gave you. Just imagine the reaction, it would be catastrophic to most people's sense of self and world-view.

That is also very likely. And if there are people both sufficiently armed and dumb enough to want to overthrow their government because their Orange Jesus lost the elections, then it is also not exactly unthinkable that the very same kind of people would be opening fire on our visitors out of some kind of paranoia.


Another worry that I do have, is the possibility that some ancient accounts are correct and we were actually created to serve the gods. If they were to come back, won't they demand that we start serving them again, inferior beings that we are, or else...

A common trope in sci-fi and even comedy, is the idea that superior beings would want to enslave us and just use us as servants, which is rooted in ancient myth.

Yes, but just as there are good people and bad people here on Earth, there will be good aliens and bad aliens. We musn't necessarily assume that they'd be malevolent, but at the same time, we must also not assume that they'd all be benevolent either.


Also, even if official first contact (I'm sure it happened a long time ago behind the scenes) were to be largely positive, we found out that these beings had our best interests at heart, imagine the reaction of religious types (the vast majority of humanity overall), they would start talking about them being demons (been there), agents of Satan, antichrist, end of the world, judgement day, etc...

No question about that.


This I think is the main reason we cannot have nice things, e.g. full disclosure.

Also, these beings might demand that we get our shit together, stop destroying the planet, treat other species with respect (by that I mean animals and plants, the natural world in general), give them their due living space, etc...

What would be the reaction if they told us, we can no longer exploit other species and the natural world for our economic benefit, say they insisted we stopped eating meat. Just imagine the backlash!

So, this is where I start seeing some sense in the governments of the world being careful with disclosure and doing it slowly and gradually, probably partly through movies and pop culture. They want us to become familiar with the idea of higher beings visiting us, so they can slowly drip-feed us the truth, probably over a course of several decades.

I don't think that the slowly trickling-down disclosure would be voluntary, or at least, not from the vantage of the governments.

For many decades, both the governments and the mainstream media ─ sensationalist as they may be ─ have been in denial about this truth, and have been ridiculing the subject of UFOs and stigmatizing anyone who dared believe in them. But the phenomenon isn't going to go away, and it is not unthinkable that the UFOs being detected now would be coming from a different source compared to the ones who've been visiting us in the past (and may still be doing so). There's most likely more than one player out there.

So it stands to reason that this disclosure would merely be the result of more and more sightings by military personnel ─ who, in the end, are only human too, and they are just as flabbergasted by those encounters as anyone else would be ─ and that ultimately, this coming forward by individuals from within the military or from within some other official environment is leaving the governments no choice but to finally admit that, yes, those things are real and we can't even begin to grasp what technology they might be using, or where they come from.





This has been great reading. I really enjoyed learning about Yoko Tsuno. I think I'd really like the series (or novel).

The novel is specifically about Yoko's childhood and youth ─ something which is only occasionally and briefly touched upon in the comic book series itself. And some of the comic book albums have been translated into English and other languages, but by far not all of them. It's a pity, because I know more people who would be interested in them, but who wouldn't be able to read them because not every album has been translated and exported.

[Chris]

So, I'm hesitant to post this, but I had a weird experience last night regarding these UFOs and I thought you might want to hear what happened.

As some of you may know, after my Kundalini awakening in 2012, I developed certain abilities, which do not always manifest at will, but sometimes occur spontaneously or at the prompting of others. These include things like remote viewing or the ability to communicate with entities telepathically. Usually there are clear signs that such contact is about to take place.

So yesterday, as I was about to go to sleep, I felt this energy, this intelligence reaching out to me. It felt benevolent and loving. I also felt some sort of energy field almost gently stroking me, particularly along my ears. You could compare it to a light touch. I knew someone was trying to reach out and communicate with me, as this happened before. I felt my third eye activating, with a very distinct buzz in my forehead (I always feel this, when I have a remote viewing experience) and I felt this presence, this intelligence calling to me. Soon enough, it became clear that this was the intelligence behind the flying craft that we are discussing here, as I kept seeing images of the craft that we saw on the above videos, particularly the Tic-Tac shaped one that dived into the water.

I became curious, so I asked some questions. I'm just paraphrasing, as I don't remember the exact wording, but it went something like this.

- So, what are your intentions?
- To spread peace and love all over the universe.

- What are you exactly?
- I am a machine.
That confused me, as you can imagine. I actually said:

- You are lying. You cannot be a machine, because you have a soul and spirit and a presence that only a living thing can have.
- Machines can have souls. We are ensouled machines.

Then, it showed me an image of various craft buzzing around in the earth's atmosphere and suddenly I understood what it meant. The meaning behind it, was that these craft are actually living things, they are machines that are alive and have souls like we do. Each individual craft is a living machine, it has a soul and an individual personality, they are sent out to perform various tasks, or can just come here at their own initiative, because they're curious, like a dolphin.

I didn't get any indication of malevolence, just curiosity and wanting to learn more about us.

I don't want to draw any conclusions, so I'm simply giving you what came through from them, which is not much, admittedly, but perhaps it will help you form a better picture of what's going on.

[Dreamtimer]

Ensouled machines. Wow.

I wonder, could they have ancient creators who would be like us? Not necessarily human, but biological tool-wielders who created machines and then technology, like we have?

Which came first? The mechanical chicken or the biological egg?

I'd love to hear more, Chris.

(but I'm not asking you to reach out to them)

[Emil El Zapato]

Ensouled machines. Wow.

I wonder, could they have ancient creators who would be like us? Not necessarily human, but biological tool-wielders who created machines and then technology, like we have?

Which came first? The mechanical chicken or the biological egg?

I'd love to hear more, Chris.

(but I'm not asking you to reach out to them)

The Blue Biological Egg.

[Chris]

Ensouled machines. Wow.

I wonder, could they have ancient creators who would be like us? Not necessarily human, but biological tool-wielders who created machines and then technology, like we have?

Which came first? The mechanical chicken or the biological egg?

I'd love to hear more, Chris.

(but I'm not asking you to reach out to them)

The impression I got, and it all happened really fast, is that these craft are artificial, they are manufactured in some way by an advanced civilisation, but that they are also given life in some manner. I can only speculate, but my guess would be, that perhaps biological life-forms who can no longer exist in a biological body, due to the vagaries of time, can transfer their consciousness and soul into a machine like this giving it life so to speak. Another possibility, is that a long time ago, this civilisation started merging with machines and in time essentially became entirely machine-like, but still possess the essence of a living being, which is a soul.

[Wind]

Because that would make it clear to the population that there are things that even the government and the military are no match for, and because the governments also don't want the people to come anywhere near contemplating the idea that there might be other ways of organizing a society than having the people enslaved by a monetary system and a pseudo-democracy run by an elite political caste.

There are indeed forces behind our leaders who are not human. Humanity is considered to be a slave race by these negative forces and for the most part society has been formed so that people are willingly being obedient slaves, think of Brave New World by Aldous Huxley. The monetary consumer system is a total joke and a pyramid scheme. There is a very good explanation for all of this, why everything seems to be so messed up. Yet as there are negative forces or ET's, so there are good ones too, they just have a difference in their conduct. ET's and the spirit world are not too different from each other, there is light and there is dark.

[Aragorn]

The impression I got, and it all happened really fast, is that these craft are artificial, they are manufactured in some way by an advanced civilisation, but that they are also given life in some manner. I can only speculate, but my guess would be, that perhaps biological life-forms who can no longer exist in a biological body, due to the vagaries of time, can transfer their consciousness and soul into a machine like this giving it life so to speak. Another possibility, is that a long time ago, this civilisation started merging with machines and in time essentially became entirely machine-like, but still possess the essence of a living being, which is a soul.

Those would be my two trains of thought as well. Either they became transhuman ─ with the word "human" being the great unknown ─ and over time they evolved into a purely artificial and inorganic lifeform, or they might have uploaded their consciousness into a computer. The latter, by the way, is also a technology known to the Vineans in the Yoko Tsuno comics I spoke of higher up. ;)

The third possibility would be that an advanced enough civilization might eventually discover how to truly create artificial and non-biological life. And if life itself is something that exists at a much higher-dimensional level from our reality, then I don't see this as impossible to achieve. After all, organic life also started off out of inorganic elements and eventually gave rise to very complex beings such as ourselves.

But such a feat would of course be an eternity away from what we today call artificial intelligence. Artificial intelligence is not life. It's just a very cleverly built machine.

[Wind]

I find the idea of transhumanism off putting. I wouldn't like the idea of uploading my consciousness to some machine or replacing my body parts eternally to something inorganic, it creeps me out. We are here incarnated in flesh for a reason, through our nerves and senses we get to experience the seemingly physical world with it's pleasures and pains. I think it's certainly possible that there are conscious machine-beings.

[Emil El Zapato]

If you've ever wished you could be someone else, Bio-technology is the door. It's still you, you would just 'look' different. Cat-People, Dog-People, Fish-People, Bird-People, Machine-People, Superhuman-people, genius-people, exotic-people, beautiful-people, evil-people, in light of the ability to transform oneself, would likely mean over time very few people-people, but one always has a choice.

[Wind]

That's not the first time something like that has been done, chimeras existed during the times of Atlantis and genetic "speciments" got out of hand. You think the likes of mermaids were just mythical creatures?

[Aragorn]

I find the idea of transhumanism off putting. I wouldn't like the idea of uploading my consciousness to some machine or replacing my body parts eternally to something inorganic, it creeps me out. We are here incarnated in flesh for a reason, through our nerves and senses we get to experience the seemingly physical world with it's pleasures and pains.

Personally, I have my own considerations as well with regard to transhumanism ─ one very important consideration being that, if anything, information technology has already long proven itself very vulnerable to malicious intervention. And yes, having one's natural senses replaced by artificial ones is also a tricky thing ─ will it be better, or will it be worse? But at the same time, I do think that being able to walk again if you are paralyzed from the waist down ─ as my father was after an explosion that broke his back and nearly killed him ─ or being able to see when you are blind, or being able to hear when you are deaf, is not to be dismissed.

Back when I was a young boy, there was a sci-fi series on TV called "The Six Million Dollar Man (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Six_Million_Dollar_Man)" with Lee Majors in the titular role as Steve Austin, an astronaut and test pilot who gets badly injured in a crash with an experimental rocket plane. Not only is he barely alive anymore, but he's missing both of his legs, his right arm and his left eye. But with funding from the US government, they decide to "rebuild" Steve with a pair of bionic legs, a bionic arm and a bionic eye. And when my dad had had his accident and it became clear that he'd remain a paraplegic for the rest of his life, we were all hoping that the kind of bionic technology from that TV series would become a reality, so that he'd be able to walk again.

All of the above said, your statement that "we have incarnated into flesh for a reason" has a ─ for myself ─ dangerously conservative and religious-sounding connotation to it. Yes, we have incarnated as biological beings, but that in and of itself should not create any ethical objections with regard to helping physically disabled people find their quality of life again. But at the same time, what I do personally have my objections to is the use of cybernetic implants in order to gain an unfair advantage over other people for military or criminal reasons, or just "because we can", or for recreational purposes ─ e.g. connecting your mind to the internet (which would also be very dangerous) ─ or, lastly, so as to prolong one's natural life, similar to how the rich elites are currently paying for rejuvenating transfusions with teenage blood (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11055-Anti-Aging-Start-Up-Is-Charging-Thousands-of-Dollars-for-Teen-Blood). That sort of thing is unethical and disgusting, and I feel the same way about eugenics and the concept of designer babies.

As with everything, we should not be looking at the "what", but at the "why". On the one hand, there's the being scientifically and technically capable of doing any particular thing, and on the other hand, there's are the ethical and moral considerations with regard to our reasons for doing said particular thing, as well as any known and unknown potential ramifications thereof ─ e.g. as a wild (but technologically not so far-fetched) example, connecting your brain to the internet by way of a WiFi implant and then getting your brain hacked into by cybercriminals.

Just my two Eurocents, at today's exchange rates. :)





You think the likes of mermaids were just mythical creatures?

I can't speak for BoB, but I do. :)

[Chris]

This 3-hour Joe Rogan podcast with George Knapp and Jeremy Corbell is almost a year old, but worth watching in its entirety, as it goes into real depth concerning the exact topics we are discussing here. In case you didn't know, George Knapp is the reporter that originally broke the Bob Lazar story back in 1988 and has been a serious investigative reporter ever since, Jeremy Corbell is his protege and has been instrumental in breaking some crucial UFO stories in the past few years and has also worked closely with Bob Lazar, making a number of documentaries on the topic.

One thing of note, is the remark I made a few posts ago, about there probably being a religious element to why we can't have full disclosure. Sure enough, at around 1:31 in this video, George Knapp speaks about that very fact, in connection with a congressional UFO investigation that has been mothballed by the Senate majority leader at the time, because when the fundamentalist Christian congressional aide that was sent to investigate, returned to report his findings, on what may be going on at Skinwalker ranch, the Senate committee was worried that they were dealing with demonic forces and would be invoking Satan himself, by looking into this, so they decided to quash the investigation and bury it.

George Knapp also mentions Whitley Strieber, who was famous for bringing the idea of alien abductions and grey aliens into the public consciousness. Apparently, he's had a complete change of heart since that time and now believes that these beings he has been investigating and who have been tampering with him, aren't aliens at all, rather they are the gods we have always believed in.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hc6pbG4wICA


Those would be my two trains of thought as well. Either they became transhuman ─ with the word "human" being the great unknown ─ and over time they evolved into a purely artificial and inorganic lifeform, or they might have uploaded their consciousness into a computer. The latter, by the way, is also a technology known to the Vineans in the Yoko Tsuno comics I spoke of higher up. ;)

The third possibility would be that an advanced enough civilization might eventually discover how to truly create artificial and non-biological life. And if life itself is something that exists at a much higher-dimensional level from our reality, then I don't see this as impossible to achieve. After all, organic life also started off out of inorganic elements and eventually gave rise to very complex beings such as ourselves.

But such a feat would of course be an eternity away from what we today call artificial intelligence. Artificial intelligence is not life. It's just a very cleverly built machine.

Yes, I would also differentiate between artificial intelligence, which clearly isn't a living being and what was referred to earlier as an "ensouled machine", that would in effect be simply a different form of life, but also one that can have spiritual significance, not just a material one.

[Wind]

But at the same time, I do think that being able to walk again if you are paralyzed from the waist down ─ as my father was after an explosion that broke his back and nearly killed him ─ or being able to see when you are blind, or being able to hear when you are deaf, is not to be dismissed.

All of the above said, your statement that "we have incarnated into flesh for a reason" has a ─ for myself ─ dangerously conservative and religious-sounding connotation to it. Yes, we have incarnated as biological beings, but that in and of itself should not create any ethical objections with regard to helping physically disabled people find their quality of life again.


Oh, well I certainly never meant that or have I had anything against prosthetics really, especially for disabled people, in fact I think it's only great if people like that can be helped more with technology. In fact I always thought that mechanical hand Luke got in Star Wars was kinda cool and I was wondering if there actually ever would be good enough technology to replace lost limbs like that. Also certain kind of exoskeletons (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powered_exoskeleton) might come in handy with physical labour. I'm just wary about things like microchips in the brain and becoming almost fully robotic beings. There's plenty of movies and games like Cyberpunk and Deus Ex which cover this topic. Never seen Spielberg's movie A.I., but it seems to cover the topic about A.I's and their possible humanity.

I think the topic of transhumanity and robotics indeed poses many questions when it comes to ethics. How much tampering genes is fine and how much isn't? Where does man end and where does the robot begin? Do androids dream of electric sheep?

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I can't speak for BoB, but I do. :)

I used to think so too, but I'm not so sure anymore. I've realized that mythology is based on reality.

[Dreamtimer]

Here's a piece from Las Vegas.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPrYVmYkL5w

[Emil El Zapato]

Here's a piece from Las Vegas.

This is getting exciting, almost like a sci-fi alien invasion OR First Contact. Be takin' yo' pick.

[Chris]

This is getting exciting, almost like a sci-fi alien invasion OR First Contact. Be takin' yo' pick.

So what do you reckon? What are we actually witnessing here? Aliens from another planet or something else?

[Emil El Zapato]

So what do you reckon? What are we actually witnessing here? Aliens from another planet or something else?

jeez, who really knows. Here's my analogy: Wakanda painted in any color.

[Aragorn]

So what do you reckon? What are we actually witnessing here? Aliens from another planet or something else?

Well, let's be pragmatic... :noidea:




What we know about them so far


They are physical, tangible objects that obviously exist within our 4-dimensional reality, but that are capable of maneuvers and speeds that would violate the laws of physics as we understand them ─ not to mention that these maneuvers would kill any biological entities within them with 100% certainty ─ unless their propulsion and buoyancy operate outside of the relativistic realm. In other words, they most likely use a warp drive and anti-gravity, both of which by definition bend the fabric of spacetime.


Nobody on Earth ─ that we know of ─ possesses that kind of technology, and if anyone did, then it'd be the Americans. But even the Americans don't know what these things are, or what we're dealing with.


They appear to be taking a special interest in our defensive capabilities and our military installations.


They don't even bother hiding themselves when investigating the aforementioned military capabilities. It's happening in broad daylight and under clear skies.





What logic dictates


Given that their technology is obviously hundreds if not thousands or even millions of years ahead of anything we know and are capable of today, they must be coming here from another solar system than ours.


Given the effects of deep space travel on biological entities, they are most likely unmanned vehicles, controlled by an artificial intelligence.


Given their unbridled and rather defiant interest in our military capabilities, they are most likely not afraid of us, but they may be assessing both our strengths and our weaknesses. This suggests that their reconnaissance could ─ emphasis ─ be a prelude to a potentially imminent hostile open contact, cfr. the ancient legends of how humanity was created as a slave species by purported "gods".

[Emil El Zapato]

Well, let's be pragmatic... :noidea:




What we know about them so far


They are physical, tangible objects that obviously exist within our 4-dimensional reality, but that are capable of maneuvers and speeds that would violate the laws of physics as we understand them ─ not to mention that these maneuvers would kill any biological entities within them with 100% certainty ─ unless their propulsion and buoyancy operate outside of the relativistic realm. In other words, they most likely use a warp drive and anti-gravity, both of which by definition bend the fabric of spacetime.


Nobody on Earth ─ that we know of ─ possesses that kind of technology, and if anyone did, then it'd be the Americans. But even the Americans don't know what these things are, or what we're dealing with.


They appear to be taking a special interest in our defensive capabilities and our military installations.


They don't even bother hiding themselves when investigating the aforementioned military capabilities. It's happening in broad daylight and under clear skies.





What logic dictates


Given that their technology is obviously hundreds if not thousands or even millions of years ahead of anything we know and are capable of today, they must be coming here from another solar system than ours.


Given the effects of deep space travel on biological entities, they are most likely unmanned vehicles, controlled by an artificial intelligence.


Given their unbridled and rather defiant interest in our military capabilities, they are most likely not afraid of us, but they may be assessing both our strengths and our weaknesses. This suggests that their reconnaissance could ─ emphasis ─ be a prelude to a potentially imminent hostile open contact, cfr. the ancient legends of how humanity was created as a slave species by purported "gods".



It's kind of unbelievable to me that it is moving out in the open ... that really surprises me. Here's one thing to think about though, over the past 7 or 8 decades, the technology of the UAPs has 'ostensibly' changed from balloonlike devices to cigar shapes, to saucers, to triangles. From a purely physical perspective, those changes don't make sense considering that a highly advanced civilization/s is visiting from interstellar distances. I certainly don't discount it, that would be a downer for me, but it seems unlikely. This is why when looking only from that perspective I settle on Wakanda.

Of course, we know that it isn't that simple. Perhaps, we will actually find out.

[Chris]

Well, let's be pragmatic... :noidea:




What we know about them so far


They are physical, tangible objects that obviously exist within our 4-dimensional reality, but that are capable of maneuvers and speeds that would violate the laws of physics as we understand them ─ not to mention that these maneuvers would kill any biological entities within them with 100% certainty ─ unless their propulsion and buoyancy operate outside of the relativistic realm. In other words, they most likely use a warp drive and anti-gravity, both of which by definition bend the fabric of spacetime.


Nobody on Earth ─ that we know of ─ possesses that kind of technology, and if anyone did, then it'd be the Americans. But even the Americans don't know what these things are, or what we're dealing with.


They appear to be taking a special interest in our defensive capabilities and our military installations.


They don't even bother hiding themselves when investigating the aforementioned military capabilities. It's happening in broad daylight and under clear skies.





What logic dictates


Given that their technology is obviously hundreds if not thousands or even millions of years ahead of anything we know and are capable of today, they must be coming here from another solar system than ours.


Given the effects of deep space travel on biological entities, they are most likely unmanned vehicles, controlled by an artificial intelligence.


Given their unbridled and rather defiant interest in our military capabilities, they are most likely not afraid of us, but they may be assessing both our strengths and our weaknesses. This suggests that their reconnaissance could ─ emphasis ─ be a prelude to a potentially imminent hostile open contact, cfr. the ancient legends of how humanity was created as a slave species by purported "gods".



Sounds reasonable.

My own interpretation differs slightly.

I think the chances of these being hostile are extremely low. Given their technological sophistication, they would obviously have no trouble annihilating us, but they have shown no sign of wanting to do that. On the other hand, they seem to be particularly concerned with military installations, ships, planes and other equipment. They have a habit of disabling nuclear weapons, even though those clearly don't pose a threat to them, but they would pose a threat to other humans and the biosphere on this planet. To me, this would indicate that they wish to preserve life, including human life and aren't aggressive. So far, they have never fired a weapon in anger, as far as I can tell and have only used nonlethal, disabling methods to neutralise human weapon systems. Any aggressive species would just fire a couple of anti-matter warheads or some sort of directed energy weapon and be done with it.

However, their behaviour in terms of abductions and supposedly, cattle mutilations, is disturbing to say the least. It may indicate that they see us as a lower order of life and do not accord us the same consideration, that they would to their own species, perhaps they see us laboratory specimens to be experimented on, or a source of biological matter for their experiments. This, of course, is assuming the abductions are real, but there is no actual proof for them, unlike for UAPs.

If we stick strictly to what we can observe about UAPs, the picture is considerably more promising as we can see a clear ability to do us harm, but this ability is never used and at most, they might play with us a bit, presumably for their own amusement.

[Aragorn]

It's kind of unbelievable to me that it is moving out in the open ... that really surprises me. Here's one thing to think about though, over the past 7 or 8 decades, the technology of the UAPs has 'ostensibly' changed from balloonlike devices to cigar shapes, to saucers, to triangles. From a purely physical perspective, those changes don't make sense considering that a highly advanced civilization/s is visiting from interstellar distances. I certainly don't discount it, that would be a downer for me, but it seems unlikely. This is why when looking only from that perspective I settle on Wakanda.

Of course, we know that it isn't that simple. Perhaps, we will actually find out.

Well, first of all, it would be silly to assume that we're dealing with only one specific extraterrestrial civilization, and that all of their craft would be similar in design. Secondly, a lot of the reported craft are of course the products of the imagination of clever pranksters and hoaxers, or of delusional minds, such as schizophrenics.

[Aragorn]

Sounds reasonable.

My own interpretation differs slightly.

I think the chances of these being hostile are extremely low. Given their technological sophistication, they would obviously have no trouble annihilating us, but they have shown no sign of wanting to do that. On the other hand, they seem to be particularly concerned with military installations, ships, planes and other equipment. [...]

Well, we don't exterminate the cattle that we're breeding so as to feed off of them either. But if that cattle were to suddenly start arming themselves, then we'd sure check them out.


However, their behaviour in terms of abductions and supposedly, cattle mutilations, is disturbing to say the least. It may indicate that they see us as a lower order of life and do not accord us the same consideration, that they would to their own species, perhaps they see us laboratory specimens to be experimented on, or a source of biological matter for their experiments.

This. ↑


This, of course, is assuming the abductions are real, but there is no actual proof for them, unlike for UAPs.

There is circumstantial evidence, such as in the event of the recovered alien implants, and the abduction of Barney and Betty Hill on the one hand, and the Travis Walton case on the other hand ─ the latter not really having been an abduction as such, even though that's how Hollywood portrayed it. Those were very clear-cut cases, and they took place long before the creation of the internet, where all the hoaxers and the wackos are now running amok with their sponsored or otherwise monetized videos.

[Emil El Zapato]

Sounds reasonable.

My own interpretation differs slightly.

I think the chances of these being hostile are extremely low. Given their technological sophistication, they would obviously have no trouble annihilating us, but they have shown no sign of wanting to do that. On the other hand, they seem to be particularly concerned with military installations, ships, planes, and other equipment. They have a habit of disabling nuclear weapons, even though those clearly don't pose a threat to them, but they would pose a threat to other humans and the biosphere on this planet. To me, this would indicate that they wish to preserve life, including human life, and aren't aggressive. So far, they have never fired a weapon in anger, as far as I can tell, and have only used nonlethal, disabling methods to neutralize human weapon systems. Any aggressive species would just fire a couple of anti-matter warheads or some sort of directed energy weapon and be done with it.

However, their behavior in terms of abductions and supposedly, cattle mutilations, is disturbing, to say the least. It may indicate that they see us as a lower order of life and do not accord us the same consideration, that they would to their own species, perhaps they see us laboratory specimens to be experimented on, or a source of biological matter for their experiments. This, of course, is assuming the abductions are real, but there is no actual proof for them, unlike for UAPs.

If we stick strictly to what we can observe about UAPs, the picture is considerably more promising as we can see a clear ability to do us harm, but this ability is never used and at most, they might play with us a bit, presumably for their own amusement.

There have been others but this is the most memorable one to me, I was watching last night some events in the former Soviet Union that seemed hostile but I haven't checked the level of validity regarding those stories: Anyway, on with the show!

The month of January marks the anniversary of an iconic local event.


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cf/F-51Ds_165th_FS_Kantucky_ANG_in_flight.jpg/440px-F-51Ds_165th_FS_Kantucky_ANG_in_flight.jpg

Superstitions arose in Franklin and Simpson County when Captain Thomas Francis Mantell Jr.’s body and crashed plane were found off Lake Springs Road after pursuing an Unidentified Flying Object on Jan. 7, 1948.

In a January 1948 edition of the Courier Journal, it was printed that Mantell was going after an unidentified flying object or “saucer.

“I’m surprised it was revealed that they were looking for a flying saucer that quick,” said James Henry Snider, president of the Simpson County Historical Society.

According to a January 1948 edition of the Franklin Favorite, Mantell was a World War II Army pilot veteran participating in the Normandy invasion and was awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross for heroism along with other medals.

He was discharged from the Army in 1947, where he then joined 165th Fighter Squadron of the Kentucky Air National Guard flying P-51 Mustangs.

Kentucky State Police was notified Godman Army Airfield at Fort Knox, Kentucky of people seeing an Unidentified Flying Object. According to an October 2015 edition of the Franklin Favorite the object was more specifically noted as being seen flying across Kentucky, Ohio, and Tennessee cities.

In Ohio the reports were of a “flaming ball of fire” described by Staff Sargent Gale F. Walter and Corporal James Hudson, who watched the object for about 35 minutes from the patrol tower at the Clinton County Airbase in Wilmington, Ohio, the airbase was closed in 1971.

In Tennessee, the callers reported a “bright blub-shaped object.” In Kentucky, the Fort Knox airfield sent Mantell along with two wingmen, Lieutenant Albert Clemons, right wingman, and Lieutenant B. A. Hammond, left wingman.

According to the transcripts from Godman Airfield, Mantell spotted the object and said, “The object is directly ahead of and above me now, moving at about half my speed. It appears to be a metallic object or possibly a reflection of the Sun from a metallic object and it is of tremendous size. I’m still climbing. I’m trying to close in for a better look.”

At 22,500 feet the two wingmen, Clemons and Hammond broke off due to lack of oxygen and went to Fort Knox to refuel.

In a January 1948 edition of the Courier-Journal it was reported that only one of the pilots had oxygen to sustain high altitude flying, Lt. Clemons.

The October 2015 article in the Franklin Favorite said, “it is believed Captain Mantell blacked out due to low oxygen, a condition known as Hypoxia, somewhere between 28,000-30,000 feet after which his plane fell from the sky.”

The article then went on to say that time of death was set at 3:18 p.m. since that was the time on Mantell’s wristwatch when emergency crews reached him.

Many rumors flew around that the object might have been a star or a weather balloon, though no launch records were found — others thought it might be the planet Venus.

“Supposedly they told some stories that there were no parts, but obviously there were parts because there is a picture of it,” Snider said.

He said there were reports that the plane exploded in mid-air, but a pilot passing out doesn’t cause a plane to explode.

“There is another story told, he was very close to the Lake Spring School where he crashed and that it looked like his plane might crash toward the school, but that he made it a point to steer it where it didn’t hit the school,” Snider said. “Now if he did pass out due to lack of oxygen that story wouldn’t hold true.”

Snider said it became one of the country’s most famous UFO incidences and that the October 2015 article said it went down in the history books as the first death from a UFO.

He said a couple of years ago a couple came from New York just to see the exhibit and the piece of the plane that was found on Alma Snider’s property.

Lisa Nix, a Simpson County Historical Society volunteer, said she had a local couple come in on the anniversary because they knew kept track of the event. The center received a call just last week from a man from Tennessee because he saw a television program on it the night before and called to see if there were any updates.

Nix said there are no updates and as far as she and Snider are concerned it is still an unsolved mystery and the truth may never be known about the crash.

In 2001, the Simpson County Historical Society dedicated a historical marker to Capt. Thomas Mantell, which can be found at the Simpson County Tourism office.

The October 2015 Franklin Favorite paper reported that Mantell did not live in Franklin, Kentucky but he was born here and he died here. Snider said he always heard that Mantell lived in Woodburn, but newspapers reported Mantell living in Louisville, Kentucky.

[Dreamtimer]

Chris and Aragorn, you both make such good points and analyses.

It stands out to me that they observe military and nuclear activities, they're seen doing so, and they often stop or interfere with launches. This does seem like protection of life and the planet.

That would be weird for machines, except for Chris' story about the intelligent machines. I'm utterly fascinated by that. I have too much Terminator and Matrix experience to think of benevolent and loving machines. It's really good to have something to help me think outside that box.

The mutilations are weird. And I'm not sure it would be the same entities. There may be different 'outside' intelligences here. Or perhaps the machines reflect the intentions of those who 'created' them.


I heard yesterday that many Americans are now rejecting UFO and UAP reports as a distraction from the 'stolen' election.

Dear God. :fpalm::facepalm::fpalm::facepalm::fpalm: I do hope these particular folks get visited by some intelligent machines who will teach them a lesson or two in perspective.

[Chris]

Chris and Aragorn, you both make such good points and analyses.

It stands out to me that they observe military and nuclear activities, they're seen doing so, and they often stop or interfere with launches. This does seem like protection of life and the planet.

That would be weird for machines, except for Chris' story about the intelligent machines. I'm utterly fascinated by that. I have too much Terminator and Matrix experience to think of benevolent and loving machines. It's really good to have something to help me think outside that box.

The mutilations are weird. And I'm not sure it would be the same entities. There may be different 'outside' intelligences here. Or perhaps the machines reflect the intentions of those who 'created' them.


I heard yesterday that many Americans are now rejecting UFO and UAP reports as a distraction from the 'stolen' election.

Dear God. :fpalm::facepalm::fpalm::facepalm::fpalm: I do hope these particular folks get visited by some intelligent machines who will teach them a lesson or two in perspective.

I have developed my hypothesis of ensouled machines further.

The way I imagine this could work and we're strictly in hypothetical territory of course is something like this:

Gods, who are of a higher-dimensional nature, cannot easily interact with our 3-D (more like 3,5, since we only get a half a dimension of time, the other direction, time flowing backwards, is inaccessible to us) reality.

From this it follows, that they would need some sort of implement or machine, to affect change in this lower-dimensional reality, perhaps some sort of machine that can operate in both lower and higher-dimensional mode. We can assume, that they would find it quite easy to construct such machines to operate in our reality, observe and study us and keep us from doing too mach harm to ourselves and the biosphere of this planet. The question then is this, how do you run these machines?

AI is the obvious answer, but that reflects a lower order of thinking, one that can only think in material terms, with machines and computers working electronically. What if at their level, it was actually much easier to ensoul machines they have created, the way they have ensouled humans when they created our species, presumably through genetic manipulation?

I imagine, they could just create living machines with souls and personalities, without the need for a biological organism to host it. This would actually represent the most efficient way to operate in this reality, since such living machines can withstand all sorts of hostile environments and are presumably self-maintaining to a large extent.

[Aragorn]

Gods, who are of a higher-dimensional nature [...]

Just for the record, Chris, I have a problem with that word. It bears a religious and subjugating connotation. Call them higher-dimensional, interdimensional or transdimensional for all I care, but please don't call them gods.

There is nothing out there that both deserves and demands worship at the same time. If it demands worship, then it is by definition unworthy of it. Worship is only due for something too humble to demand it. Trust me on that.

[Dreamtimer]

I'm thinking about a dream I had several years ago. I was going up the walkway to my house. I looked up and saw a 'space ship' flying over my house. It looked angular and mottled, like something out of Babylon 5. I stepped under the dogwood to conceal myself. I knew instinctively that the tree would shield me from detection even though I could look through the branches.

At the time, I would not have been able to step under the dogwood due to its size and branch configuration.

However, it is now exactly configured as in the dream and I can easily step under the branches which form a nice shield overhead. (It's bigger and my husband has trimmed some lower branches. I've been able to step under for a couple years now)

The only thing missing is the 'space ship.'


I've had other dreams where I seek shelter in trees, even small ones. I always know instinctively that they'll protect me.

[Emil El Zapato]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgc3m1SL1OM

[Wind]

Just for the record, Chris, I have a problem with that word. It bears a religious and subjugating connotation. Call them higher-dimensional, interdimensional or transdimensional for all I care, but please don't call them gods.

They would only seem godly in comparison to us when it comes to their unfathomable wisdom. It's like comparing us to ants and it would not mean that ants would be any lesser beings, but they're still on quite a different developmental level than we are. Can you play chess with pigeons? If certain beings in their human incarnation would fully realize their higher-dimensional origin and would be able to use their natural powers then it surely would not be fair towards other humans as they would seem godly in comparison to them. It is simply not intended that others have that kind of power over others here as it would totally tilt the balance of game of life.


There is nothing out there that both deserves and demands worship at the same time. If it demands worship, then it is by definition unworthy of it. Worship is only due for something too humble to demand it. Trust me on that.

I would agree. I personally pray, or worship to the Creator or Arch Angels only out of my own free will, not because I expect God or the Creator to want that. No, it is something that gives me comfort and brings me closer to my Maker. It is a highly personal and intimate act, but I am not giving out any power of mine. I am just embracing what I already am. Prayer is union with the divine.

[Chris]

Just for the record, Chris, I have a problem with that word. It bears a religious and subjugating connotation. Call them higher-dimensional, interdimensional or transdimensional for all I care, but please don't call them gods.

There is nothing out there that both deserves and demands worship at the same time. If it demands worship, then it is by definition unworthy of it. Worship is only due for something too humble to demand it. Trust me on that.

We may think of them as gods and have worshipped them as such in the past, but that doesn't of course mean that they ARE gods, or that they are deserving, or in fact appreciative of worship. I think of them as the Prince Phillips of higher-dimensional spacetime. We are the ones that think of them and worship them as gods, I don't think that this is something they would want or encourage. It's what happens when primitive people meet a more advanced civilisation and hopefully we will grow out of it.

If you have a better and more succinct word to describe higher-dimensional beings, I'm all ears. We can call them Q , if you like

:D

[Dreamtimer]

...Worship is only due for something too humble to demand it. Trust me on that.

Like nature.


...
If you have a better and more succinct word to describe higher-dimensional beings, I'm all ears. We can call them Q , if you like

:D

Only if you refer to John Delancey. Otherwise, No thanks. :p

[Chris]

Like nature.



Only if you refer to John Delancey. Otherwise, No thanks. :p

Indeed, it was the Trekkie Q I was referring to, though it isn't an exact analogy.

Even better are the ascended ancients of the Stargate Franchise, they really are spot-on with their depiction of these higher beings.

BTW, the declassified Pentagon Report on UAPs should drop any day now, I'm psyched...

[Wind]

It's kinda interesting how just now they're doing this soft disclosure or maybe not even so soft.

It's been over 70 years in the making at least so is obviously only now people are being allowed to know certain things, but why now? Even just a decade or two ago this UFO thing was still being kinda ignored or downplayed in the media, of course even here in Finland there was a huge UFO craze in the early 90's, partly also thanks to the X-Files. Nothing has actually really changed in terms of the phenomenon over the past decades. Or maybe this has just been the plan all along, release tidbits here and there, also info in movies and series so people will be mentally more prepared to accept potentially world-shattering revelations. We have never been alone and we are constantly being visited by ET's and oh yeah, they started humanity too.

[Chris]

It's kinda interesting how just now they're doing this soft disclosure or maybe not even so soft.

It's been over 70 years in the making at least so is obviously only now people are being allowed to know certain things, but why now? Even just a decade or two ago this UFO thing was still being kinda ignored or downplayed in the media, of course even here in Finland there was a huge UFO craze in the early 90's, partly also thanks to the X-Files. Nothing has actually really changed in terms of the phenomenon over the past decades. Or maybe this has just been the plan all along, release tidbits here and there, also info in movies and series so people will be mentally more prepared to accept potentially world-shattering revelations. We have never been alone and we are constantly being visited by ET's and oh yeah, they started humanity too.

It probably has a lot to do with the rise of the internet, social media and a phone in every pocket. It is just a lot more difficult to keep stuff secret in such an environment, things get leaked all the time. However, the Pentagon UAP leaks were really down to one or two people, Luis Elizondo and Harry Reid in particular.

BTW, despite what I wrote earlier, I still haven't excluded any possibility as to what these UAPs could be. I have to tell you, if it turned out tomorrow that these are from the Nazi base in Antarctica and are being flown by the inner earth reptilian progeny of Anu, I'd be like:

Yeah, it figures...

If blue chickens start arriving en masse on this planet, I won't be surprised either.

Maybe that's the point, they want to desensitize people to shocking news, so that when they announce something truly shocking that they can no longer keep secret, people will just shrug their shoulders and move on with their lives.

[Dreamtimer]

Considering how many folks are glomming onto Qanon conspiracies, alien discovery is pretty tame. I can see people thinking, "Hey, they buy the blue chicken stories. Lets' just throw the real stuff at them. It's not much more outlandish."

And then they can see who really still has any kind of critical thinking skills and offer them a job. ;)

[Chris]

Considering how many folks are glomming onto Qanon conspiracies, alien discovery is pretty tame. I can see people thinking, "Hey, they buy the blue chicken stories. Lets' just throw the real stuff at them. It's not much more outlandish."

And then they can see who really still has any kind of critical thinking skills and offer them a job. ;)

There is a huge difference, because UAPs are now officially admitted to be real and the most plausible explanation for them may actually be aliens, even from a scientific perspective.

On the other hand, Queuers are just taken in by LARPERs who are having fun at their expense, there is no substance or truth to those claims whatsoever and this has been proven over and over again.

[Emil El Zapato]

There is a huge difference, because UAPs are now officially admitted to be real and the most plausible explanation for them may actually be aliens, even from a scientific perspective.

On the other hand, Queuers are just taken in by LARPERs who are having fun at their expense, there is no substance or truth to those claims whatsoever and this has been proven over and over again.

There is surely a line between imagination and insanity.

Talking heads and intelligentsia are at this point very alarmed at the surreal direction American society has gone (I never understood the wait, myself). I'm not ready to believe that people are that far gone. Many proclaim devout faith in God and Jesus (fundamentalists) and it is obvious they are full of poopoo. What is in my opinion a runaway problem for the Q'ers et al is psychopathy/sociopathy. And long has been (funny how the conservative party and Q-anon have merged into the same shindig).

[Wind]

The Non-Disclosure Disclosure Grinds On (https://medium.com/on-the-trail-of-the-saucers/nyt-uap-report-leak-98ce1eaa223a)

For those of us who have been researching this UFO topic for years and decades, nothing will be new or shocking at all when there will be some official confirmations about ET's. I could imagine that for some people it might be shocking indeed and could affect their myopic worldview quite a lot. It's like taking psychedelics and then you realize that there's a whole another world out there that you never even could imagine and your neural pathways will be forever changed. The blinds will be removed.

[Chris]

The Non-Disclosure Disclosure Grinds On (https://medium.com/on-the-trail-of-the-saucers/nyt-uap-report-leak-98ce1eaa223a)

For those of us who have been researching this UFO topic for years and decades, nothing will be new or shocking at all when there will be some official confirmations about ET's. I could imagine that for some people it might be shocking indeed and could affect their myopic worldview quite a lot. It's like taking psychedelics and then you realize that there's a whole another world out there that you never even could imagine and your neural pathways will be forever changed. The blinds will be removed.

My problem, as always, remains the assumption that these are alien visitors from other planets. We really don't know that.

If you listen to someone like William Tompkins, they might be Nazi Craft from Antarctica. Others have similarly unlikely theories floating around, whether it's Inner Earth, Time Travel or whatnot. We also cannot exclude the possibility of this coming from another earth power. I don't expect the congressional UFO report to give much more clarity, except to state, that they don't know, but at least we are now talking about it and that is a step in the right direction.

[Emil El Zapato]

My problem, as always, remains the assumption that these are alien visitors from other planets. We really don't know that.

If you listen to someone like William Tompkins, they might be Nazi Craft from Antarctica. Others have similarly unlikely theories floating around, whether it's Inner Earth, Time Travel or whatnot. We also cannot exclude the possibility of this coming from another earth power. I don't expect the congressional UFO report to give much more clarity, except to state, that they don't know, but at least we are now talking about it and that is a step in the right direction.

yes, at least we will know it is SOMETHING ... that is a big step.

[Aragorn]

We also cannot exclude the possibility of this coming from another earth power.

Oh, but I think we can safely exclude that possibility.

[Dreamtimer]

What kinds of UFO (or other similar term) reports come out of China? Or India? Or N. Korea? Are there similar incidences of observation or interference with nuclear weapons? I don't know about this.

Obviously China and N. Korea are closed but observations in the region still happen. And reports can get out in some way. Sometimes.

I feel like I've seen bits and pieces but not enough to really know.

[Emil El Zapato]

What kinds of UFO (or other similar term) reports come out of China? Or India? Or N. Korea? Are there similar incidences of observation or interference with nuclear weapons? I don't know about this.

Obviously China and N. Korea are closed but observations in the region still happen. And reports can get out in some way. Sometimes.

I feel like I've seen bits and pieces but not enough to really know.

yes, it is a universal (bad choice of words) phenomenon.

[Chris]

What kinds of UFO (or other similar term) reports come out of China? Or India? Or N. Korea? Are there similar incidences of observation or interference with nuclear weapons? I don't know about this.

Obviously China and N. Korea are closed but observations in the region still happen. And reports can get out in some way. Sometimes.

I feel like I've seen bits and pieces but not enough to really know.

There are reports from all over the place, including Russia, but I'm not aware of any Chinese reports, probably due to CCP secrecy. You really don't want to spill an official secret in China.

However, I'm unaware of any historical sightings in my area, though I haven't looked into it.

There seem to be certain areas and installations that attract the attention of UFO, whether it is shutting down nuclear-tipped ICBMs or cutting themselves a juicy steak :)

You have to wonder whether cattle mutilations are about helping themselves to some supplies for the long interstellar journey home or sampling the local cuisine...

[Wind]

The Law of One sheds some light on that phenomenon too.

I don't doubt the validity of the information even though you should always use your own judgement too.

This particular channel is as pure as it gets or should I say it was as it no longer is operating.


16.43 (https://www.lawofone.info/s/16#43) Questioner: I want to ask a rather questionable question. I may not put it in the book. I was wondering if cattle mutilations that we now experience across the country and elsewhere could be explained by you.

Ra: I am Ra. The greater part of your so-called mutilations take place according to the ways of your second-density beings which feed upon carrion. A portion of these so-called mutilations are those which are of what you may call multi-dimensional type: a thought-form construct using various parts in order to have life and being in third density.

43.5 Questioner: I’ll just try to pick up the last question left over from the last session. If you can answer it— I don’t know if it is of any importance, but it just occurred to me that the parts removed in cattle mutilations are the same every time, and I just wondered if this was related to the energy centers and why they were important if that was so?

Ra: I am Ra. This is basically correct if you may understand that there is a link between energy centers and various thought-forms. Thus the fears of the mass consciousness create the climate for the concentration upon the removal of bodily parts which symbolize areas of concern or fear in the mass consciousness.

16.44 Questioner: Where do these thought-forms come from?

Ra: I am Ra. This is a very ambiguous question. However, we will attempt to answer. Firstly, they come from the Creator. Secondly, they come from what you may call, lower astral in plane, thought. Thirdly, in construct visualization complex they reside in part beneath the crust of your planet.

16.45 Questioner: Are these one form in particular?

Ra: I am Ra. These entities may take any thought-form associated with an emotion of fear or terror.

16.46 Questioner: Are these thought-forms able to attack only cattle or can they also attack human beings?

Ra: I am Ra. These thought-forms cannot attack third-density beings.

[Chris]

The Law of One sheds some light on that phenomenon too.

I don't doubt the validity of the information even though you should always use your own judgement too.

This particular channel is as pure as it gets or should I say it was as it no longer is operating.

Interesting, but it wouldn't explain why cattle mutilations are usually accompanied by UFO sightings. It also makes no sense, that if these are some sort of predatory astral thoughtforms, why they wouldn't attack humans. Obviously anything that can kill and eat a cow, can eat a human too, it isn't true to say that we are somehow of a different density.

Actually this explanation reminds me of the Rakshasa, from ancient Hindu myth, but they eat animals and humans too.

[Wind]

Interesting, but it wouldn't explain why cattle mutilations are usually accompanied by UFO sightings.

Well, perhaps those thought-forms look like UFO's, but aren't exactly space ships.

The term UFO stands for unidentified flying object so it's normal that things can become mixed together and convoluted when all people see is something "abnormal" and don't know what the hell it is. Could be ET's, hidden military technology, spirits and so forth. I think it's a mixture of all of them, but in case of cattle mutilations it probably is some nefarious force. Just like you can't say that all humans are good and bad neither are ET's or spirits. If there have been no human mutilations like that then it would seem like that they indeed can't attack humans.

[Chris]

This revelation by the former head of the Israeli space programme, Haim Eshed, has completely passed my by, but given the source, we should take it seriously. I will try to get hold of the book or try to find other interviews with him as he seems completely legitimate and the highest-level source that has admitted the existence of Aliens and a Galactic Federation, that I'm aware of.

The original interview is unfortunately behind a paywall and in Hebrew, but the Jerusalem Post summarised some of the salient points.

https://www.jpost.com/omg/former-israeli-space-security-chief-says-aliens-exist-humanity-not-ready-651405

Former Israeli space security chief says aliens exist, humanity not ready

This "Galactic Federation" has supposedly been in contact with Israel and the US for years, but are keeping themselves a secret to prevent hysteria until humanity is ready.

By AARON REICH DECEMBER 10, 2020 13:34

Has the State of Israel made contact with aliens?
According to retired Israeli officer and current professor Haim Eshed, the answer is yes, but this has been kept a secret because "humanity isn't ready."

Speaking in an interview to Yediot Aharonot, Eshed – who served as the head of Israel's space program for nearly 30 years and is a three-time recipient of the Israel Security Award – explained that Israel and the US have both been dealing with aliens for years.
And this by no means refers to immigrants, with Eshed clarifying the existence of a "Galactic Federation."

The 87-year-old former head of the Defense Ministry's Space Division gave further descriptions about exactly what sort of agreements have been made between the aliens and the US, which ostensibly have been made because they wish to research and understand "the fabric of the universe." This cooperation includes a secret underground base on Mars, where there are American and alien representatives.

If true, this would coincide with US President Donald Trump's creation of the Space Force as the fifth branch of the US armed forces, though it is unclear how long this sort of relationship, if any, has been going on between the US and its reported extraterrestrial allies.
But Eshed insists that Trump is aware of them, and that he was "on the verge" of disclosing their existence. However, the Galactic Federation reportedly stopped him from doing so, saying they wished to prevent mass hysteria since they felt humanity needed to "evolve and reach a stage where we will... understand what space and spaceships are," Yediot Aharonot reported.
As for why he's chosen to reveal this information now, Eshed explained that the timing was simply due to how much the academic landscape has changed, and how respected he is in academia.

"If I had come up with what I’m saying today five years ago, I would have been hospitalized," he explained to Yediot.
He added that "today, they’re already talking differently. I have nothing to lose. I’ve received my degrees and awards; I am respected in universities abroad, where the trend is also changing."

Eshed provided more information in his newest book, The Universe Beyond the Horizon – conversations with Professor Haim Eshed, along with other details such as how aliens have prevented nuclear apocalypses and "when we can jump in and visit the Men in Black." The book is available now for NIS 98.

While it is unclear if any evidence exists that could support Eshed's claims, they did come just ahead of a recent announcement by SpaceIL, the group behind Israel's failed attempt to land a spacecraft on the moon in 2019.

Uploaded to social media with the text "Ready to get excited again?," the announcement contained a 15-second video of the moon with text saying "Back to the Moon," followed by the date of December 9, 2020.

It is likely that this is a follow up to the Beresheet spacecraft, which crashed after engineers lost contact with it just minutes before it was due to land. However, the follow up project, titled Beresheet 2, is expected to take three years to be ready.

[Emil El Zapato]

This revelation by the former head of the Israeli space programme, Haim Eshed, has completely passed my by, but given the source, we should take it seriously. I will try to get hold of the book or try to find other interviews with him as he seems completely legitimate and the highest-level source that has admitted the existence of Aliens and a Galactic Federation, that I'm aware of.

The original interview is unfortunately behind a paywall and in Hebrew, but the Jerusalem Post summarised some of the salient points.

https://www.jpost.com/omg/former-israeli-space-security-chief-says-aliens-exist-humanity-not-ready-651405

Former Israeli space security chief says aliens exist, humanity not ready

This "Galactic Federation" has supposedly been in contact with Israel and the US for years, but are keeping themselves a secret to prevent hysteria until humanity is ready.

By AARON REICH DECEMBER 10, 2020 13:34

Has the State of Israel made contact with aliens?
According to retired Israeli officer and current professor Haim Eshed, the answer is yes, but this has been kept a secret because "humanity isn't ready."

Speaking in an interview to Yediot Aharonot, Eshed – who served as the head of Israel's space program for nearly 30 years and is a three-time recipient of the Israel Security Award – explained that Israel and the US have both been dealing with aliens for years.
And this by no means refers to immigrants, with Eshed clarifying the existence of a "Galactic Federation."

The 87-year-old former head of the Defense Ministry's Space Division gave further descriptions about exactly what sort of agreements have been made between the aliens and the US, which ostensibly have been made because they wish to research and understand "the fabric of the universe." This cooperation includes a secret underground base on Mars, where there are American and alien representatives.

If true, this would coincide with US President Donald Trump's creation of the Space Force as the fifth branch of the US armed forces, though it is unclear how long this sort of relationship, if any, has been going on between the US and its reported extraterrestrial allies.
But Eshed insists that Trump is aware of them, and that he was "on the verge" of disclosing their existence. However, the Galactic Federation reportedly stopped him from doing so, saying they wished to prevent mass hysteria since they felt humanity needed to "evolve and reach a stage where we will... understand what space and spaceships are," Yediot Aharonot reported.
As for why he's chosen to reveal this information now, Eshed explained that the timing was simply due to how much the academic landscape has changed, and how respected he is in academia.

"If I had come up with what I’m saying today five years ago, I would have been hospitalized," he explained to Yediot.
He added that "today, they’re already talking differently. I have nothing to lose. I’ve received my degrees and awards; I am respected in universities abroad, where the trend is also changing."

Eshed provided more information in his newest book, The Universe Beyond the Horizon – conversations with Professor Haim Eshed, along with other details such as how aliens have prevented nuclear apocalypses and "when we can jump in and visit the Men in Black." The book is available now for NIS 98.

While it is unclear if any evidence exists that could support Eshed's claims, they did come just ahead of a recent announcement by SpaceIL, the group behind Israel's failed attempt to land a spacecraft on the moon in 2019.

Uploaded to social media with the text "Ready to get excited again?," the announcement contained a 15-second video of the moon with text saying "Back to the Moon," followed by the date of December 9, 2020.

It is likely that this is a follow up to the Beresheet spacecraft, which crashed after engineers lost contact with it just minutes before it was due to land. However, the follow up project, titled Beresheet 2, is expected to take three years to be ready.

Many have questioned what that is all about ... He seems sincere but as the 'strangeness' is high people are questioning 'who put him up to it'? Government, UAP community, the voices in his head, or even the ET's

[Dreamtimer]

The excerpt is interesting. I imagine it's easier for him to talk about this now because we have entered a time where people are bold-faced lying as well as believing just about any theory as long as it's not 'mainstream'.

It's the perfect atmosphere for such a book to be published and to sell.

I find the part about Trump partly unbelievable. He would never keep quiet because he was told to. His advisors were never able to get him to be quiet or stay on topic. I doubt very seriously a Galactic Federation would either. He himself has said that he's a very stable genius who knows better than any experts. And he couldn't possibly resist the hype and free coverage he'd have gotten. He'd have been the Space Force Hero.

Understanding the fabric of the universe sounds great and feels sinister. What do the governments want to do with this understanding?



On another note, if these ships are sentient machines in the manner described by Chris, the cattle mutilations do not fit. They don't spread peace and love with that activity.

So, it would be another entity/set of entities doing the mutilations.

Now, if there's a Galactic Federation, then there could be many different sorts visiting, some good, some bad. And I would qualify as bad the ones killing cattle. It is killing, not just harvesting carrion.

[Chris]

Oh, but I think we can safely exclude that possibility.

I'm leaning towards that, but I would not be a 100 percent sure. I am disturbed by the undisputed fact, that the Nazis were working on similar technology almost a century ago. If they were capable of building such craft (even if just one or two prototypes, same as their jet-powered stealth bombers, which formed the basis of the current US stealth bomber fleet) in the 1940s, what would people who continued their work be capable of today?

Just to put it in perspective, 80 years have passed since 1941, when test flights of the famous bell-shaped craft were already under way, going back 80 years from that date, you get to 1861, years before the civil war and the end of Slavery in the US, when the height of technology was the steam engine. By 1941, we already had the jet engine, rockets capable of space flight, prototype stealth bombers and apparently, UFOs.

To me, it is inconceivable, that we haven't done something with that research in the past 80 years.

I am also highly worried about reports that these aliens we keep seeing are usually of the grey alien type, but behind them, running the show, seem to be the "Aryans", a meeting with whom was reportedly the main reason behind Hitler's obsession with the Aryan race, especially since he himself looked nothing like them.

Now, I don't know who these Aryans are and where or when they come from, but they may even be an earth power to some extent, with bases, or who knows, perhaps even cities underground, below the ice at Antarctica, or in the oceans.

I also cannot easily dismiss reports by people like Bill Tompkins, that the Nazis are apparently still around, flying around in these craft and based mostly in Antarctica.

All of this is very weird, but I don't see how we can exclude any of the above possibilities at this point in time.

[Chris]

On another note, if these ships are sentient machines in the manner described by Chris, the cattle mutilations do not fit. They don't spread peace and love with that activity.

So, it would be another entity/set of entities doing the mutilations.

Now, if there's a Galactic Federation, then there could be many different sorts visiting, some good, some bad. And I would qualify as bad the ones killing cattle. It is killing, not just harvesting carrion.

There are many different types of craft. I got that telepathic impression or message whilst having the gimbal UFO in my mind.
The pyramid-shaped ones actually look like they came straight out of the Stargate franchise:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LrOJwbGVQc

[Emil El Zapato]

There are many different types of craft. I got that telepathic impression or message whilst having the gimbal UFO in my mind.
The pyramid-shaped ones actually look like they came straight out of the Stargate franchise:

Best sci-fi franchise ever.

[Emil El Zapato]

Interesting, but it wouldn't explain why cattle mutilations are usually accompanied by UFO sightings. It also makes no sense, that if these are some sort of predatory astral thoughtforms, why they wouldn't attack humans. Obviously anything that can kill and eat a cow, can eat a human too, it isn't true to say that we are somehow of a different density.

Actually this explanation reminds me of the Rakshasa, from ancient Hindu myth, but they eat animals and humans too.

to put a spiritual thingy on it ... the higher power does not allow free reign of terror on (to use a word I don't) ensouled beings. It's the line in the sand that can't be crossed without willful consent. We can see that played out in many genres of art.

[Aragorn]

I am disturbed by the undisputed fact, that the Nazis were working on similar technology almost a century ago. If they were capable of building such craft (even if just one or two prototypes, same as their jet-powered stealth bombers, which formed the basis of the current US stealth bomber fleet) in the 1940s, what would people who continued their work be capable of today?

Just to put it in perspective, 80 years have passed since 1941, when test flights of the famous bell-shaped craft were already under way, going back 80 years from that date, you get to 1861, years before the civil war and the end of Slavery in the US, when the height of technology was the steam engine. By 1941, we already had the jet engine, rockets capable of space flight, prototype stealth bombers and apparently, UFOs.

To me, it is inconceivable, that we haven't done something with that research in the past 80 years.

Well, to be honest, I don't buy into the whole "Nazi UFO base in Antarctica" thing, nor do I believe that the Nazis ever did develop any kind of anti-gravity. All that we know about that comes from Joseph Farrell, whom I don't particularly trust. Furthermore, the alleged flying saucer in those undoubtedly doctored images is of the exact same, identical type as the one supposedly photographed by George Adamski in 1952, which was proven to be a hoax ─ it was made from a surgical lamp, and the three bulbous "feet" were General Electric-branded lightbulbs.

Furthermore, the Nazis did not have any stealth aircraft, nor any rockets that could leave the atmosphere. They were working on two-stage ICBMs near the end of the war ─ the so-called V3 rockets ─ but the only operational rockets they had at the time were still the V2s, which were single-stage, unguided ballistic missiles capable of reaching the UK. And the V2's predecessor was of course the notorious V1, which was an unmanned and unguided jet with a single pulse-detonation engine mounted atop the vertical tailfin; the V1 was the predecessor to the modern-day cruise missiles and drones.


I am also highly worried about reports that these aliens we keep seeing are usually of the grey alien type, but behind them, running the show, seem to be the "Aryans", a meeting with whom was reportedly the main reason behind Hitler's obsession with the Aryan race, especially since he himself looked nothing like them.

It's not always that way. Many contactees and witnesses have reported seeing only the little Greys, and some who reported also seeing other beings spoke of reptilians or of the tall Greys, who looked quite different from the little Greys but also had the big black eyes.


Now, I don't know who these Aryans are and where or when they come from, but they may even be an earth power to some extent, with bases, or who knows, perhaps even cities underground, below the ice at Antarctica, or in the oceans.

Nazis and Aryans aside, I do believe that whoever is doing this reconnaissance on us Earthlings would have bases here on Earth, and that the bottom of the ocean is the most likely candidate for a hideout.

[Lord Sidious]

Furthermore, the Nazis did not have any stealth aircraft, nor any rockets that could leave the atmosphere.

I disagree.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horten_Ho_229
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arado_Ar_234

[Chris]

Regarding the Nazis and their technology, I wasn't aware that the Bell-shaped ufo thing was a hoax, but now that you pointed out how they faked it, I can no longer unsee it.

On the other hand, they did have the beginnings of a space-capable rocket and a stealth bomber, only if in a very rudimentary fashion.

The US space programme and the stealth plane programme were both built on the work of German scientists, who were allowed to continue their work in the US via operation paperclip.

I still think there was something very weird going on with the Nazis, they had help, technologically speaking, from the beyond. I don't know what form it took, but there is a reason the Nazi scientist who is an occultist at the same time is such a popular trope in fiction, it probably has some basis in reality.

[Wind]

I still think there was something very weird going on with the Nazis, they had help, technologically speaking, from the beyond. I don't know what form it took, but there is a reason the Nazi scientist who is an occultist at the same time is such a popular trope in fiction, it probably has some basis in reality.

Extremely dark forces were operating through the nazis, there's no mistake about it.

[Chris]

Extremely dark forces were operating through the nazis, there's no mistake about it.

Indeed, based on some personal experience with the entities involved, I'm convinced that fallen angels (the watchers) were behind the rise of the Nazis and the Holocaust.

Come to think of it, I did some research into their background and there are some Theistic Satanic sects (who are also Nazis), that believe that these Fallen Angels are actually the same as the Nordic Aliens of UFO lore. They worship these Nordic Aliens as their gods. The plot thickens...

BTW, personally, i don't believe the latter paragraph reflects the actual truth in any way, but it is interesting to explore the various beliefs out there, which may shed some light on this phenomenon.

[Chris]

Some further remarks from Barack Obama on the likely impact of the upcoming Pentagon UFO report. Note, that he doesn't just mention UAPs or UFOs, he talks specifically about confirmation of Alien - Extraterrestrial visitors and how it may affect the formation of new religions and defence spending.

https://www.thesun.ie/news/7100592/obama-ufo-confirmed-new-religions-weapons-stockpiled/

Obama says new religions could spring up and US may spend more on weapons if UFO report confirms alien life

BARACK Obama said he believes new religions could emerge and the US may stockpile weapons if the Pentagon's UFO report confirms the existence of alien life.

His comments come as an unclassified intelligence report into UFOs is expected to be delivered to Congress as early as today.

Obama was questioned about whether he believes undeniable proof of aliens would change his politics during a podcast interview with The Ezra Klein show this week.

"New religions would pop up," the former president said should alien life be confirmed.

"But no doubt there would be immediate arguments about like, well, we need to spend a lot more money on weapons systems to defend ourselves.

"And who knows what kind of arguments we get into," the former president added.

"We’re good at manufacturing arguments for each other."

Overall, Obama said he did not believe that his politics would change if the Pentagon UFO report said aliens exist.

"My politics has always been premised on the notion that the differences we have on this planet are real," he told Klein.

"They’re profound. And they cause enormous tragedy as well as joy.

"But we’re just a bunch of humans with doubts and confusion. We do the best we can," Obama continued.

"And the best thing we can do is treat each other better because we’re all we’ve got.

"And so I would hope that the knowledge that there were aliens out there would solidify people’s sense that what we have in common is a little more important."

Obama had previously said that UFO sightings by the military “must be taken seriously."

Speaking on James Corden’s The Late Late Show last week, the former president said he had seen the recently-released footage of UFOs harassing US military targets.

“What is true... is that there's footage and records of objects in the skies that we don't know exactly what they are,” Obama said.

“We can't explain how they moved, their trajectory… they did not have an easily explainable pattern.

“So I think that people still take seriously trying to investigate and figure out what that is. But I have nothing to report to you today.”

Obama also admitted that when he was inaugurated, he asked about the possibility of UFOs.

“Look, the truth is that when I came into office I asked," he told Corden.

“I was like, 'All right, is there the lab somewhere where we're keeping the alien specimens and spaceships?'

“They did a little bit of research…. and the answer was 'No,'' he quipped.

In this week's interview with Klein, Obama reiterated that he would "absolutely" like to know what is behind the military UFO sightings.

"My entire politics is premised on the fact that we are these tiny organisms on this little speck floating in the middle of space," he added in the New York Times podcast.

Congress passed legislation in December, mandating the Department of Defense and the National Intelligence Director to produce a report about “Unidentified Aerial Phenomena” within six months.

The report will be unclassified and is expected to contain everything the US Government knows about UAPs.

It's thought that the document could arrive as early as today - June 1.

It will examine if unidentified aerial phenomena constitute a threat to US airspace, Deadline reports.

The report is unlikely to conclude that highly advanced extraterrestrials are the cause but it may not rule them out.

It's expected that recommendations for further UFO research and funding will be included within the dossier.

Pentagon officials last year took the unprecedented step to release a trio of remarkable videos which showed "encounters" with UFOs.

Perhaps the most striking was a video known as the “Tic Tac” – which showed an unidentified object being pursued by fighter planes.

And, numerous San Diego-based US warships were reportedly visited by strange vessels from above.

The USS Kidd, a Navy destroyer, was using night vision cameras and spotted several mysterious flashing objects in the skies, according to footage the Pentagon revealed to The Sun.

Alien-hunting coalition from 27 countries launched to prepare world for ET after Pentagon UFO report

[Dreamtimer]

And did those forces move here with those Nazi scientists? Seems very possible.

[Chris]

And did those forces move here with those Nazi scientists? Seems very possible.

It's hard to say, after all, the US was the one that defeated them, at least temporarily, but who knows what effect operation paperclip might have had in terms of infiltrating US leadership.

BTW, at this point, we are firmly in Conspiracy Theory territory and I tend to be suspicious of any speculation in this field, unless backed up by actual fact. You take one peek down the Rabbithole and you find yourself falling over into Inner Earth, DavidIckeLand, Blue Chicken Coop or any such unlikely destination in no time at all.

[Dreamtimer]

So true, Chris.

But I can believe that malevolent entities who lost with their advantage in Germany would just move their operation to the new Superpower. After all, it's about abuse of power, not helping any particular nation.

In any case, in order to defeat or resist malevolent entities, it's probably good to be benevolent and help create bonds with others.

[Wind]

But I can believe that malevolent entities who lost with their advantage in Germany would just move their operation to the new Superpower. After all, it's about abuse of power, not helping any particular nation.

That would be correct.


In any case, in order to defeat or resist malevolent entities, it's probably good to be benevolent and help create bonds with others.

Absolutely, be the good you wish to see in the world.

[Lord Sidious]

It's hard to say, after all, the US was the one that defeated them

Incorrectomundo.
IF they had lost, it was the soviets who beat them.
However, they didn't lose as it's not over.
The Oberkommando Der Wehrmacht surrendered, not the Reich.
Back to the drawing board forumnuggets...............

[Dreamtimer]

And who is trying to revive the Reich? I've no doubt there's someone.

[Chris]

Incorrectomundo.
IF they had lost, it was the soviets who beat them.

In terms of lives lost, the Soviets made the biggest sacrifice, but the support of the British Empire and later, the USA, was just as important, via the arctic convoys. 75 percent of the tanks the Soviets had, at the Battle of Moscow, which arguably turned the tide of the war, were British.


However, they didn't lose as it's not over.
The Oberkommando Der Wehrmacht surrendered, not the Reich.
Back to the drawing board forumnuggets...............

Sorry, but you lost me there, I have no idea what you mean...

[Wind]

The war on the Eastern front was the straw that broke the camel's back and the Soviets invaded Berlin first. Poor Germans, they really preferred surrendering to Americans and to the Brits as they were nowhere near as brutal as the Soviet Army could be, partly thanks to Stalin's orders too.

I'm not exactly sure what Sidinugget refers to either, but the nazi leaders including Hitler escaped to Argentina. Did they still keep some operations going there? I heard that the nazi hunters could catch many nazi officials, but also many were never caught and that would include not only the big boss himself, but also the likes of Mengele and such. Although Mengele didn't spend that much time in Argentina, he spent the rest of his life in Brazil and continued his horrible human experiments there. If there was ever a true monster in human form then that was him.

[Chris]

And who is trying to revive the Reich? I've no doubt there's someone.

There's always been talk of a fourth reich in conspiracy circles, but personally, I don't buy it.

There is no country in existence today which is in any way comparable to the Third Reich, it was really a uniquely evil entity in world history.

Sure, people might be borrowing certain methods and tactics from the Third Reich, but overall no country represents the same kind of threat to the world today. We should be thankful for that.

I get irritated by comparisons made between the US and the Third Reich, that's such nonsense.

If the Nazis were in charge in the US (which was a real danger in both the US and the UK, in the thirties) it would be a 100 percent white country, probably entirely Aryan, with some minorities, like the Italians just about tolerated, but there would be no Blacks, Jews, Latinos, Disabled People, or anyone openly gay. All of those categories of people would be extinct. Not saying that this is what you are suggesting, but plenty of other people on the conspiracy circle make such grandiose claims and that really irritates me.


The war of the Eastern front was the straw that broke the camel's back and the Soviets invaded Berlin first. Poor Germans, they really preferred surrendering to Americans and to the Brits as they were nowhere near as brutal as the Soviet Army could be, partly thanks to Stalin's orders too.

I'm not exactly sure what Sidinugget refers to either, but the nazi leaders including Hitler escaped to Argentina. Did they still keep some operations going there? I heard that the nazi hunters could catch many nazi officials, but also many were never caught and that would include not only the big boss himself, but also the likes of Mengele and such. Although Mengele didn't spend that much time in Argentina, he spent the rest of his life in Brazil and continued his horrible human experiments there. If there was ever a true monster in human form then that was him.

Which reminds me, my local GP used to be so bad, that everybody in the Village used to call him Dr Mengele, behind his back

:lol:

Thankfully, he retired about a decade ago...

[Emil El Zapato]

I think Mr. the Cid is alluding to the difference in who was really in control of the effort. There was a denizen here who talked and acted as if they were on the grand search for the 4th Reich. Apparently, 'she' concluded it wasn't here.

[Lord Sidious]

And who is trying to revive the Reich? I've no doubt there's someone.

There's far more than you wanna know.



Sorry, but you lost me there, I have no idea what you mean...

Googlerate it


There's always been talk of a fourth reich in conspiracy circles, but personally, I don't buy it.
You can't have a 4th when the 3rd isn't finished


There is no country in existence today which is in any way comparable to the Third Reich, it was really a uniquely evil entity in world history.
Yeah...............nah


Sure, people might be borrowing certain methods and tactics from the Third Reich, but overall no country represents the same kind of threat to the world today. We should be thankful for that.
I think you've read a lot of rubbish.
They had no navy for power projection, no strategic bomber force and there were only 80 million Germans full stop.


I get irritated by comparisons made between the US and the Third Reich, that's such nonsense.
Me too. The united snakes is the biggest threat of all recorded history.


If the Nazis were in charge in the US (which was a real danger in both the US and the UK, in the thirties) it would be a 100 percent white country, probably entirely Aryan, with some minorities, like the Italians just about tolerated, but there would be no Blacks, Jews, Latinos, Disabled People, or anyone openly gay. All of those categories of people would be extinct. Not saying that this is what you are suggesting, but plenty of other people on the conspiracy circle make such grandiose claims and that really irritates me.
You might be surprised what you would find out if you read facts for a change. Blacks, Jews, middle easterners all fought for Germany in the second world war.
As for being irritated, I know the feeling............



I think Mr. the Cid is alluding to the difference in who was really in control of the effort.
Not at all

[Emil El Zapato]

There's far more than you wanna know.



Googlerate it


You can't have a 4th when the 3rd isn't finished


Yeah...............nah


I think you've read a lot of rubbish.
They had no navy for power projection, no strategic bomber force and there were only 80 million Germans full stop.


Me too. The united snakes is the biggest threat of all recorded history.


You might be surprised what you would find out if you read facts for a change. Blacks, Jews, middle easterners all fought for Germany in the second world war.
As for being irritated, I know the feeling............



Not at all

Hey Sid, I am curious about your point concerning who fought for Germany? Are you saying that 'Germany' was tolerant of Blacks, Jews, middle easterners or was the case as history claimed they were 'forced' labor?

[Dreamtimer]

There's far more than you wanna know.

I believe you. I've asked before and you were reticent. And I'm afraid it's right here.

We have the white supremacists.

We have the right wing.

We have the marchers and their chants about Jews.

We have the courts being jammed with Federalist Judges.

We have folks jonesing for revolution or civil war, ready to execute millions of Americans on trumped up charges.

We have people who have been talking about death camps since Sarah Palin. Probably before her but just not in the mainstream.

We have folks who have been delegitimizing the President when it's a Democrat, both Obama and Biden. (starting with Clinton)

We have people flying and waving Nazi flags.

We have it all, don't we?



Me too. The united snakes is the biggest threat of all recorded history.

Perhaps instead of MAGA hats we should have Naga hats.



I had an interesting conversation with a friend earlier this year. We were talking about why people immigrate to the US, and why Europeans came here in the first place. I was thinking about monarchies and the Spanish Inquisition and I said, "Yeah, people do terrible things."

My friend rounded on me in a fury and said, "Name one terrible thing America has done!!!" I looked at him and said, "I said people. Not America."

And then the fire abated and he no longer looked like he was going to tear my eyes out.

We're in a place where even normal discussions are not really possible.

A tinder box waiting to blow.

[Aragorn]

My friend rounded on me in a fury and said, "Name one terrible thing America has done!!!"

I think I could possibly name a few. Lessee...



Genocide against the Native Americans ─ with the remainder of them driven back into barren reservations where poverty and substance abuse thrive ─ in order to steal their land in the name of manifest destiny (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifest_destiny).


Abducting Africans away from their homes and brutally forcing them into slave labor at the cotton plantations.


Luring poor Chinese folks over to North America under false promises, only to have them work on the railroads, under living conditions not much better than those of the abducted Africans.


Dropping two nuclear bombs on Japan in 1945 with the sole intent of scaring the Soviets, because Japan was already on the verge of capitulating. A bomber with a third nuclear bomb was on its way over to Tokyo when Japan officially capitulated, and was subsequently ordered back to base.


Consistently supporting right-wing dictators and fascist regimes with economical, political and military resources all over the world ever since the end of World War II.


The witch hunt against suspected socialists and/or communists ordained by Senator Joseph McCarthy in the 1950s, and the political imprisonment of such individuals.


Overthrowing democratically elected regimes through infiltration, subterfuge, assassinations, the sponsoring of right-wing paramilitary groups and terrorists, all over the world.


Perpetual war through the invasion of sovereign nations under the false pretenses that they would be a threat to the USA's national security, while in reality, it is so as to continue expanding the corporate and military-industrial empire.


The torturing of prisoners of war and alleged terrorism suspects, and their unlawful detention for indefinite duration at undisclosed facilities without a chance to a fair trial and without granting access to the detained by the International Red Cross.


The willful committing of war crimes, accompanied by a political boycott of all NATO operations until NATO as a whole would accept a new internal rule that forbids NATO from prosecuting any of its member states for crimes of war.


Refusal to acknowledge the validity of the International War Tribunal in De Hague.


Experimentation with chemical weapons and psychological warfare tactics on unwitting and non-consenting US American citizens and US military personnel.


Systemic racism and the perpetual violation of human rights, with too many examples in too many diverse areas to list them.


Systemic and gratuitous use of lethal force against unarmed suspects, including children.


Capital punishment, and experimentation with cruel methods of execution.


And that's all just off the top of my head. You might want to print out that list and show it to your friend. :sarcastic:










Reporter: "Mr. Ghandi, what do you think of western civilization?"

Mahatma Gandhi: "I think it would be a great idea."

[Emil El Zapato]

I think I could possibly name a few. Lessee...



Genocide against the Native Americans ─ with the remainder of them driven back into barren reservations where poverty and substance abuse thrive ─ in order to steal their land in the name of manifest destiny (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifest_destiny).


Abducting Africans away from their homes and brutally forcing them into slave labor at the cotton plantations.


Luring poor Chinese folks over to North America under false promises, only to have them work on the railroads, under living conditions not much better than those of the abducted Africans.


Dropping two nuclear bombs on Japan in 1945 with the sole intent of scaring the Soviets, because Japan was already on the verge of capitulating. A bomber with a third nuclear bomb was on its way over to Tokyo when Japan officially capitulated, and was subsequently ordered back to base.


Consistently supporting right-wing dictators and fascist regimes with economical, political and military resources all over the world ever since the end of World War II.


The witch hunt against suspected socialists and/or communists ordained by Senator Joseph McCarthy in the 1950s, and the political imprisonment of such individuals.


Overthrowing democratically elected regimes through infiltration, subterfuge, assassinations, the sponsoring of right-wing paramilitary groups and terrorists, all over the world.


Perpetual war through the invasion of sovereign nations under the false pretenses that they would be a threat to the USA's national security, while in reality, it is so as to continue expanding the corporate and military-industrial empire.


The torturing of prisoners of war and alleged terrorism suspects, and their unlawful detention for indefinite duration at undisclosed facilities without a chance to a fair trial and without granting access to the detained by the International Red Cross.


The willful committing of war crimes, accompanied by a political boycott of all NATO operations until NATO as a whole would accept a new internal rule that forbids NATO from prosecuting any of its member states for crimes of war.


Refusal to acknowledge the validity of the International War Tribunal in De Hague.


Experimentation with chemical weapons and psychological warfare tactics on unwitting and non-consenting US American citizens and US military personnel.


Systemic racism and the perpetual violation of human rights, with too many examples in too many diverse areas to list them.


Systemic and gratuitous use of lethal force against unarmed suspects, including children.


Capital punishment, and experimentation with cruel methods of execution.


And that's all just off the top of my head. You might want to print out that list and show it to your friend. :sarcastic:

Not cool, huh! yeech, when you put it that way ... that isn't much to be proud of.

[Aragorn]

Not cool, huh! yeech, when you put it that way ... that isn't much to be proud of.

And it's also not being done anything about. That's even worse.

[Emil El Zapato]

Not cool, huh! yeech, when you put it that way ... that isn't much to be proud of.

It was the Aliens ... One of the things I heard the other day is that some are speculating that the government will not release classified information because they are concerned that if they did that Russia, China, et al. would be aware that we know they have weapons that we don't. I gotta tell you, that one had me scratching my head in a big hunh?! :blink:

[Aragorn]

It was the Aliens ... One of the things I heard the other day is that some are speculating that the government will not release classified information because they are concerned that if they did that Russia, China, et al. would be aware that we know they have weapons that we don't. I gotta tell you, that one had me scratching my head in a big hunh?! :blink:

I think the Russians and the Chinese already know that, but unlike the USA, the Russians and the Chinese don't suffer from that insular cultural narcissism that leads the USA and most of its population to believe they're on top of the world.

[Dreamtimer]

I mentioned Manifest Destiny to a different friend, oh 25 years ago. I didn't even get a chance to finish my sentence. He said to me, "Boy were you raised with a liberal education!" and walked away.

He, by the way, was the OG political snowflake in my experience. He would insult people, usually with the word liberal, and then walk away. But the weird thing was, in his wake, his friends would all be like, "Oh, don't take it personally, he's just really patriotic. Oh, it's not you, he's just really patriotic. Oh, don't worry, you didn't say anything wrong. He's just really patriotic."

This pathetic dynamic of coddling snowflake conservatives has been around for a loooooooong time.

[Chris]

There is a lot of unrelated historical and political stuff on this thread now, perhaps it would be worth branching them off into separate threads. In any case, without wanting to get too deep into these discussions, I'd just make a couple of brief remarks:

- Yes, the Nazis employed various "untermenschen" to fight for them, especially Indians who they hoped would turn against Britain as well as other colonial subjects that were fighting for freedom from various colonial powers. They would have probably left the Indians alone, but as for other Untermenschen, there cannot be much ambiguity as to their eventual fate, even if they were useful cannon fodder at the time. Regarding what the US would have looked like under Nazi rule, we can only speculate, but you can pick your own fictional depiction. Man in the High Castle is pretty accurate, I feel.

- Like all great powers, the US has been responsible for some pretty nasty stuff, especially during the historical period when it was a settler and slaver state. That really isn't different from any other great power I can think of. None of it compared to the atrocities committed by the Third Reich and I think that is objectively true. This is doubly true for the current conduct of the US, which, if not exemplary, is certainly better than that of other great powers in the past.

[Chris]

This is an oldie, but goodie.

I'm inclined to believe, that former Canadian Defense Minister, Paul Hellyer is an honest actor and we should take his claims seriously.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pg6VTzacb9I&t=1s

Former Canadian defence minister Paul Hellyer says aliens will help humans if we stop wars

A former Canadian defence minister is urging humanity to abandon its warmongering ways and turn its back on atomic weaponry with the promise that advanced aliens will reward a more peaceful Earth with technological marvels and advancements in agriculture and medicine.

And while it is hard to take seriously a message that appears to be a mash-up of every science fiction trope to be dreamed up since Gene Roddenberry was in short pants, let’s give the message a moment of thought.

In a widely-shared interview with Russian Today, former defence minister Paul Hellyer said that he believed aliens were real, that they are present on Earth and that they would be more willing to help humanity if we stopped warring and polluting.

“We have a long history of UFOs and of course there has been a lot more activity in the last few decades since we invented the atomic bomb,” Hellyer said.

“They are very concerned about that and that we might use it again, because the whole cosmos as a unity, and it affects not just us but other people in the cosmos, they are very much afraid that we might be stupid enough to start using atomic weapons again.”

Hellyer, now 90, was a Canadian defence minister in the Lester B. Pearson government during the 1960s. He is described in by Russia Today host Sophie Shevardnadze as the “first cabinet-level politician from a G8 country to publicly state there is extraterrestrial life present on Earth.”

Hellyer first publicly declared his belief in aliens in 2005, long after he retired from politics. He says he has never met an alien, but has seen a UFO near his cabin on Ontario’s Lake Muskoka. While Hellyer’s public belief in aliens is not new, it garnered fresh attention this week due to the overly descriptive and in-depth details he outlined on Russia Today.

Hellyer’s beliefs include the following details:

Most aliens come from other star systems, although there are some living on Venus, Mars and Saturn’s moon.

There have been four species of aliens visiting our planet for thousands of years.

Most alien species have benevolent intentions toward humanity, although a handful have ulterior motives.

One alien species, known as the “Tall Whites” is working with the U.S. air force in Nevada and has been known to pass for humans in public.

The “federation” of alien species has vowed not to intervene in human affairs unless they are invited to.

The federation is disappointed in the way humans have treated the planet.

Aliens technology is far more advanced. They have given us LED lights, microchips and Kevlar vests, but would be far more helpful if we weren’t warmongers.

There are between two and twelve total species of aliens (although some place the number closer to 80). Some look just like humans, while others appear more like the creatures portraying in popular culture.

“We spend too much time fighting each other, we spend too much money on military expenditures and not enough on feeding the poor and looking after the homeless and sick,” he said in the interview with Russia Today.

“They would like to work with us and teach us better ways but only, I think, with our consent. They don’t think we are good stewards of our planet. We are clear cutting forests and polluting our rivers and our lakes. We are dumping sewage in the oceans. We are doing all sorts of things which are not what good stewards should be doing and they don’t like that.”

Such an uninhibited declaration of belief in alien life is hard to ignore. It is also sadly hard to take seriously. It will leave most of us snorting in derision or guffawing out of incredulity.

But let’s pretend for a moment that there is a 0.0005 per cent chance that Hellyer is right. That advanced alien life is here, that is it living among us and it is waiting for humanity to clean itself up before swooping in and sharing with us marvels of advanced medicine and agriculture (and, presumably, space travel). Would that be worth it?

There is a simple logical exercise we should consider (borrowed from this video on climate change). Either Hellyer’s synopsis on alien life is correct, or it’s not. If it is correct and we abandon our warmongering ways, we are rewarded. If it is correct and we maintain our flawed course, we are left behind.

However, if we abandon our warmongering ways and it is proven that he was totally wrong about alien life, we still find ourselves ahead of where we otherwise would have been.

So, sure. We should be skeptical of the source and the details and the, erm, science fictional details. But at the core, the former defence minister of a G8 country is calling for an end to war.

Humanity can either buy in to Hellyer’s interpretation of a Star Trek-ian alien federation and come together now, or wait for an evil genius to unite us by teleporting a giant squid into the heart of New York City, a la The Watchmen.

[Dreamtimer]

I recall being impressed by Hellyer. I'm not sure if this is one I've seen, but I'll listen again.

I can't disagree with the assessment of being bad stewards and having too much warmongering. I'm not entirely sure why they would give us technology when we show such a level of irresponsibility.


“They are very concerned about that and that we might use it again, because the whole cosmos as a unity, and it affects not just us but other people in the cosmos, they are very much afraid that we might be stupid enough to start using atomic weapons again.”

Does anyone have any speculation about how that affect would take form?

I guess the aliens with 'ulterior motives' are not part of the federation?

I sure hope they aren't who we're dealing with.

Wishful thinking...

[Emil El Zapato]

This is an oldie, but goodie.

I'm inclined to believe, that former Canadian Defense Minister, Paul Hellyer is an honest actor and we should take his claims seriously.

Former Canadian defence minister Paul Hellyer says aliens will help humans if we stop wars

A former Canadian defence minister is urging humanity to abandon its warmongering ways and turn its back on atomic weaponry with the promise that advanced aliens will reward a more peaceful Earth with technological marvels and advancements in agriculture and medicine.

And while it is hard to take seriously a message that appears to be a mash-up of every science fiction trope to be dreamed up since Gene Roddenberry was in short pants, let’s give the message a moment of thought.

In a widely-shared interview with Russian Today, former defence minister Paul Hellyer said that he believed aliens were real, that they are present on Earth and that they would be more willing to help humanity if we stopped warring and polluting.

“We have a long history of UFOs and of course there has been a lot more activity in the last few decades since we invented the atomic bomb,” Hellyer said.

“They are very concerned about that and that we might use it again, because the whole cosmos as a unity, and it affects not just us but other people in the cosmos, they are very much afraid that we might be stupid enough to start using atomic weapons again.”

Hellyer, now 90, was a Canadian defence minister in the Lester B. Pearson government during the 1960s. He is described in by Russia Today host Sophie Shevardnadze as the “first cabinet-level politician from a G8 country to publicly state there is extraterrestrial life present on Earth.”

Hellyer first publicly declared his belief in aliens in 2005, long after he retired from politics. He says he has never met an alien, but has seen a UFO near his cabin on Ontario’s Lake Muskoka. While Hellyer’s public belief in aliens is not new, it garnered fresh attention this week due to the overly descriptive and in-depth details he outlined on Russia Today.

Hellyer’s beliefs include the following details:

Most aliens come from other star systems, although there are some living on Venus, Mars and Saturn’s moon.

There have been four species of aliens visiting our planet for thousands of years.

Most alien species have benevolent intentions toward humanity, although a handful have ulterior motives.

One alien species, known as the “Tall Whites” is working with the U.S. air force in Nevada and has been known to pass for humans in public.

The “federation” of alien species has vowed not to intervene in human affairs unless they are invited to.

The federation is disappointed in the way humans have treated the planet.

Aliens technology is far more advanced. They have given us LED lights, microchips and Kevlar vests, but would be far more helpful if we weren’t warmongers.

There are between two and twelve total species of aliens (although some place the number closer to 80). Some look just like humans, while others appear more like the creatures portraying in popular culture.

“We spend too much time fighting each other, we spend too much money on military expenditures and not enough on feeding the poor and looking after the homeless and sick,” he said in the interview with Russia Today.

“They would like to work with us and teach us better ways but only, I think, with our consent. They don’t think we are good stewards of our planet. We are clear cutting forests and polluting our rivers and our lakes. We are dumping sewage in the oceans. We are doing all sorts of things which are not what good stewards should be doing and they don’t like that.”

Such an uninhibited declaration of belief in alien life is hard to ignore. It is also sadly hard to take seriously. It will leave most of us snorting in derision or guffawing out of incredulity.

But let’s pretend for a moment that there is a 0.0005 per cent chance that Hellyer is right. That advanced alien life is here, that is it living among us and it is waiting for humanity to clean itself up before swooping in and sharing with us marvels of advanced medicine and agriculture (and, presumably, space travel). Would that be worth it?

There is a simple logical exercise we should consider (borrowed from this video on climate change). Either Hellyer’s synopsis on alien life is correct, or it’s not. If it is correct and we abandon our warmongering ways, we are rewarded. If it is correct and we maintain our flawed course, we are left behind.

However, if we abandon our warmongering ways and it is proven that he was totally wrong about alien life, we still find ourselves ahead of where we otherwise would have been.

So, sure. We should be skeptical of the source and the details and the, erm, science fictional details. But at the core, the former defence minister of a G8 country is calling for an end to war.

Humanity can either buy in to Hellyer’s interpretation of a Star Trek-ian alien federation and come together now, or wait for an evil genius to unite us by teleporting a giant squid into the heart of New York City, a la The Watchmen.

I'm not sold on Paul Hellyer (he's gone now) as it seems a lot of his knowledge was 2nd hand. Pretty much the same for Gordon Cooper.

[Lord Sidious]

Hey Sid, I am curious about your point concerning who fought for Germany? Are you saying that 'Germany' was tolerant of Blacks, Jews, middle easterners or was the case as history claimed they were 'forced' labor?

Like I said, google it, you will be surprised.
Very hard to force people to fight.


I mentioned Manifest Destiny to a different friend, oh 25 years ago. I didn't even get a chance to finish my sentence. He said to me, "Boy were you raised with a liberal education!" and walked away.

He, by the way, was the OG political snowflake in my experience. He would insult people, usually with the word liberal, and then walk away. But the weird thing was, in his wake, his friends would all be like, "Oh, don't take it personally, he's just really patriotic. Oh, it's not you, he's just really patriotic. Oh, don't worry, you didn't say anything wrong. He's just really patriotic."

This pathetic dynamic of coddling snowflake conservatives has been around for a loooooooong time.

Should have given him a patriotic touch up.
You know? The old school way of teaching respect


None of it compared to the atrocities committed by the Third Reich and I think that is objectively true. This is doubly true for the current conduct of the US, which, if not exemplary, is certainly better than that of other great powers in the past.
Other than the genocide, the united snakes wins in EVERY way.
Remember, no other nation nuked anyone, let alone twice.

The ''tall whites'' aka ''the blondes'' are THE aryans.
Muse on that one

[Dreamtimer]

So glad to see the aka. I've seen the tall whites represented as the same and also as very different.

And, shit.

[Lord Sidious]

So glad to see the aka. I've seen the tall whites represented as the same and also as very different.

And, shit.

I know you've seen lots of shit.
After all, you're a Super Moderatornugget

[Chris]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/washington-post-live/2021/06/08/transcript-ufos-national-security-with-luis-elizondo-former-director-advanced-aerospace-threat-identification-program/

Transcript: UFOs & National Security with Luis Elizondo, Former Director, Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program

MS. ALEMANY: [In progress] --UFOs or as it’s officially identified--officially called, unidentified aerial phenomenon, UAPs. While we’re waiting for the unclassified report from Congress on the matter, our guest, Lue Elizondo, the former director for AATIP, the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, has some answers. So excited to welcome you today, Lue. Thanks for joining us.

MR. ELIZONDO: Jackie, it is my sincere pleasure to be with you and your audience today. Thank you very much for having me.

MS. ALEMANY: So, I want to take us back for a second and set the table for this conversation. How exactly did you get signed in the first place to investigate UFOs for the intelligence community?

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MR. ELIZONDO: Well, Jackie, quite frankly, I was voluntold. In essence I had some--I guess some prerequisite experience that they were looking for. At the time, the organization was fairly new, and they were looking for someone to create a counterintelligence and security portfolio. And I guess because of some of my background running investigations, counterintelligence investigations, and some of my background in technology protection, specifically with aerospace systems, that probably, I suspect, was a fairly lucrative skillset that they were looking for to create this sub portfolio under AATIP. And that’s how I got into the program. I entered the program in 2008. I was asked by its director to come on board and establish this program, and then in 2010 was when I was asked to take over the effort.

MS. ALEMANY: And I’m sure many of you are well aware of this. If you are tuning in, you’ve probably watched the documentary that came out this year, "The Phenomenon." Senator Harry Reid, which this doc outlines, got the program funded. Did you brief him in Congress on these unexplained pilot sightings when you were running the program?

MR. ELIZONDO: Jackie, we provide many briefings, mostly through DOD and intelligence community leadership. That information was also provided to times to the staffers and of course our elected officials. It’s very important that when you’re working in a national security construct that you try to follow the chain of command as much as possible. So, a lot of my briefings were really to more senior level folks in the Department of Defense and within our intelligence architecture. But there were times, yes, that we were--we would be asked to brief other officials, particularly in the legislative branch and in the executive branch as well.

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MS. ALEMANY: And right now, everyone in Washington and really a lot of people around this country are hotly anticipating this unclassified government report on aerial phenomena witnessed by Navy pilots. It’s expected to be delivered to the Senate Intelligence community by the director of national intelligence, hopefully by June 25th. The New York Times reported that senior administration officials who were briefed on the findings said that the unusual movements witnessed by pilots did not originate from American military or advanced U.S. government technology, but that’s really about the only conclusive finding that has been so far teased from the report. What do you think the likelihood that aerial phenomena are actually extraterrestrial spacecraft?

MR. ELIZONDO: Well, Jackie, that’s really the question, isn’t it? The bottom line is, up until very recently there were really only three possibilities of what this could be. And the first possibility is that it is some sort of secret U.S. tech that somehow, we have managed to keep secret even from ourselves for a long period of time. The second option is that it is some sort of foreign adversarial technology that has somehow managed to technology leapfrog ahead of our country despite having a fairly robust and comprehensive intelligence apparatus. And of course, the third option is something quite entirely different. It’s a different paradigm completely.

Now as of this week we now know through some of the discussions at senior-level leadership that this report has definitively stated once and for all that it’s not our technology. And that’s hugely important. For 30 years there has always been this undercurrent, if you will, these conspiracies that there was some sort of TR-3B program and some sort of a super special technology that has been implemented and we’ve been--just been very careless about it. And I think that argument was finally put to bed this week. So that really only leaves two other options, and that’s--again, it’s foreign adversarial or it’s something quite different. And I think we’re now beginning to learn, as we’ve heard from the director of national intelligence--and I can certainly tell you from my experience--that we’re pretty confident that it’s not Russian or Chinese technology, and there’s several reason for that that, if you like, I’m more than happy to go into.

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MS. ALEMANY: Yeah, actually, could you go into that. I know you’ve explained it in previous interviews, but these sightings have happened for the past 70 years, and I know you’ve said before that you didn’t think it was possible for one of our foreign adversaries who have been helpful actually in providing information on this issue, would be capable of keeping something a secret for so long. Is that accurate?

MR. ELIZONDO: That’s precisely one of the counterarguments. In fact, if I’m not mistaken, as of today, we had an announcement by former Director of National Intelligence Ratcliffe who said this isn’t Russian technology. And as we know during Glasnost and the fall of the Berlin Wall, there was this five-year romance period, if you will, between the United States and Russia where we began really sharing a lot of information. And a lot of their--ironically enough, a lot of their UFO information wound up in our hands, and it turns out that they were experiencing the exact same issues from a UFO or a UAP perspective that we were. So, if you look at really the timelines here, you know, it’s looking increasingly less likely that this is some sort of Russian technology.

So that really leaves China. And some of these reports, you’re absolutely correct, Jackie, they go back into the early 1950s, and even earlier. And so, what that says is that you have pilots, whether we’re describing what we call a white flying tic-tac or a white flying butane tank in the 1950s or a white flying lozenge, if you will--they’re all describing the exact same vehicle, craft, if you will, doing exactly the same thing, performing in ways well beyond our current capabilities.

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And if you look at that from a--from a temporal perspective, from a time perspective, it simply doesn’t make sense that China back in 1950 would have this beyond next generation technology, mastered it, is able to fly at will anywhere it wants on the face of the planet, and the last 70 years, despite the billions of dollars we’ve put into our intelligence community infrastructure and architecture, it has--it has managed to evade us. In fact, China is a country that has stolen quite a bit--spends a lot of time stealing technology from us. And so, one has to ask the question that if really a country had this technology, would it be necessary to steal, you know, much more basic technology from another country. Furthermore, if you had this type of technology, you probably wouldn’t need to invest so much in military because you had this, if you will, checkmate type technology or capability where everything else now becomes obsolete.

And so, this goes to your last part of your question. So, I feel or do I believe this is, quote, “extraterrestrial”? Let me be very careful before I answer that by saying at the end of the day, Jackie, it doesn’t matter what I think or what I believe. What matters is what the data and the facts tell us. And from that perspective, it’s very important that--I’ve always--I had a very simple job, and that is to collect the truth and speak the truth. That’s it. Very much as an investigator, which I used to be. We applied the same level of rigor and methodologies we did at hunting terrorists and spies as we did in hunting UFOs. So, we really didn’t care what these were. We were just trying to get to the bottom of what they were. And so therein lies, if you will, a little bit of our approach. We were--we were very agnostic, if you will, or objective about this topic and tried to allow the facts to lead us down a certain path. And that is really what we’re doing today. What we’re realizing is that the facts are painting a far more compelling picture than what we thought. In this case, you, your audience, they’re the jury. So what matters is really what you think about this. And so, the hope here is that the U.S. government can provide the data and the evidence and information and then allow the American people to decide what we think this is about.

I think, if I may just digress for a moment here, you mentioned something very interesting that a lot of people want to talk about and say is this extraterrestrial. And I want to just if I can for just briefly delve into where we are with modern day science. We are human beings that a lot of now people in psychology refer to as cardio-social animals. It means we look at things in extremes because for the first nine months of our existence we were in our mother’s womb and we heard that binary heartbeat of our mother. And so, we tend to look at the life, if you will, in our universe in that binary way. It’s either good or it’s bad. It’s hot or cold, black or white, up and down, and that’s how we tend to judge things. But in reality, the universe and physics isn’t binary. It’s not binary at all. In fact, there’s all sorts of options and opportunities of what this could be.

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So again, back to your question. Is it from here, or is it from out there? We don’t really know. In fact, there’s lots of other options on the table. It could be from--as I’ve said before, it could be from outer space, inner space, or the space in between. As we begin to learn what quantum physics is and we begin to understand our place here on this little planet, we begin to realize that there’s a lot of other options. We judge the universe in five fundamental senses, the ways that we perceive the universe, and that’s touch, taste, hear, smell, et cetera. And if you can’t--if you can’t use those senses to look at something or measure it, then we really can’t interact with it.

And yet we know the majority of the universe around us--99 percent of it, in fact--is not perceivable. There are right now Wi-Fi signals coursing through your body. There’s cosmic radiation coming in from the cosmos. There’s neutrinos coming in from the sun. There’s radar hitting you from the local airport. And yet these are all realities and you can’t interact with it because we just don’t have the tools to do so. Take a beautiful night sky, look at the stars, and you might say, wow, that’s really a pretty sky. But if you now take a radio telescope and look at that same spot in the sky, all of a sudden you begin to see things that you couldn’t see before. You see the ultraviolet, you see the infrared spectrum, you see nebula.

So, I guess my longwinded point to all this is that we must keep all options open. If we already know that 99 percent of the universe we cannot perceive or interact with, then there may be other options here. This may not necessarily be something from outer space. In fact, this could be something as natural to our very own planet as us, we’re just now at a point we’re beginning to technologically be able to interact and collect data. This could be something from under the oceans. This could be something from, yes, from outer space. We really don’t know. And this is why I think we really need to take a whole of government approach and look at this, because it is--day by day, it is seeming like more and more this conversation is shifting from a human technology--quite possibly, we don’t know for sure yet--but to something far more profound.

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MS. ALEMANY: But as someone who is more steeped and in the know on the data and the facts, do you have any more narrow idea in that 99 percent of things that we are unaware of what this could be exactly?

MR. ELIZONDO: You know, through observations we are--we are quite convinced that we’re dealing with a technology that is multigenerational, several generations ahead of what we consider next generation technology, so what we would consider beyond next generation technology. Something that could be anywhere between 50 to 1,000 years ahead of us. And for us, I think it’s when you’re looking at the observations and these things, how they can outperform frankly anything that we have in our inventory and we’re pretty certain anything that our foreign adversaries have in their inventory, then, yes, obviously as human beings we tend to go down that rabbit hole of speculation.

I want to be very careful that I don’t offer my opinion in an unqualified manner. I’ve always stated this is exactly why we need a UAP taskforce. In fact, this is why we need a much bigger, whole of government enduring capability, because at the end of the day we don’t know what we’re dealing with. And frankly, all options have to be on the table until they’re no longer on the table.

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I could offer you my opinion right now, but, Jackie, in all honesty it would probably be a bit of disservice because we frankly don’t have enough information yet. We’re just now getting to the point as a government, as a society that we are accepting the reality that this is real, whatever it is. I think--I think we need to do a little bit more. And so out of respect to you and your journalistic integrity and to your audience, I’m probably going to refrain from offering more of my opinion on that particular aspect only because the one thing I’ve learned in intelligence is you can be absolutely sure of something and still be absolutely wrong, and I don’t want to mislead anybody.

MS. ALEMANY: I’m going to be a little bit of a pest here, and I apologize for my desire for a more black and white answer.

MR. ELIZONDO: Sure.

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MS. ALEMANY: But in common parlance, I guess, is that something that you would refer to as an alien or a time traveler. Is there any sort of way you could, you know, more specifically [audio distortion]?

MR. ELIZONDO: Sure, so, yeah, I’ve said before this is something--and I guess I may have just said it again--but that this could be something from outer space, inner space, or frankly the space in between. There’s a lot of options out there. This could be something that is extra hyper dimensional. Now I don’t mean extradimensional in a woo-woo sense. I mean, extradimensional in a quantum physics sense. We know that the universe is full of shortcuts and loopholes.

We know--so let me if I may backtrack for just a moment, it took the Renaissance to come to the point where we understand Newtonian physics. We understand what gravity looks like. We still don’t quite understand what it is yet, but we understand what it looks like, and we understand force equal mass times acceleration, and whatnot. So, we had these really elegant solutions for our observations of the--of the natural world. And then it took a couple hundred years, but along comes some cat with crazy hair we call Einstein who now introduces the notion of relativity. It kind of upends really science and turns it 180 degrees and says, well, actually there’s a thing called spacetime, and space and time are actually connected, and they’re also stretchable and compressible. And as bizarre as that may be, that is precisely what we’re seeing. And so, spacetime can be warped based upon mass or a lot of energy.

And then of course 40-some years ago we really start getting into this whole other paradigm of science, and it's quantum physics. And someone once described it as you have this box sitting on the ground, and in walks a dog, and all of a sudden two cats walk out. And as crazy as that may seem, that’s precisely what we’re seeing in these observations with quantum physics, proverbially speaking of course. So, it doesn’t make sense, and yet there’s this weird duality. Maybe the universe, the speed of light although may be the universal speed limit, there may be some shortcuts and offramps in our--in our--in this understanding of our universe.

So, we are--we are just now scratching the surface of understanding what type of science it may take to do what we are seeing with these vehicles. There’s five specific observables associated with these--with these UAPs, unidentified aerial phenomena, that really separate them from the rest of anything that we would consider terrestrial aircraft or manned aircraft or some type of human-based technology. And again, I want to be careful not to go too far out on the limb because that’s where the speculation starts, and that’s also where the danger starts, because we simply don’t know yet.

MS. ALEMANY: Well, and I guess the other key question here is what do you think the likelihood is that the U.S. government is actually going to confirm anything?

[Pause]

MR. ELIZONDO: Jackie, I think I lost you, but I’m going to go ahead and try to answer the best I can. I think you were asking me what the likelihood is of the U.S. government going ahead and confirming anything in this 180-day report. So let me see if I can go ahead and answer that. Hopefully that was your question because I seem to have lost signal.

So, the 180-day report is, first of all, not substantial enough time to do a comprehensive report. In fact, I’ve told people it takes longer to remodel a household kitchen sometimes than it does to conduct one of these 180-day reports.

Secondly, there’s the other issue here that we had COVID and this pandemic that kept a lot of people home for most of that time.

And then thirdly, I think if this turns out to be some sort of adversarial technology that has happened to leapfrog ahead of us for the last seven years, Jackie, we’re talking about one of the greatest intelligence failures this country has ever seen, probably eclipsing 9/11 by an order of magnitude. It took us nearly three years to come up with a 9/11 Commission report. If this turns out to be some sort of adversarial technology that did happen to technologically leapfrog us, 180 days I don’t think is going to be sufficient.

I think what we can expect the report to say is something like this. There are about 100 and some odd cases out there that are compelling enough that they are definitely displaying some sort of capability, technology that we don’t have. Secondly, we don’t know what these things are. We have no evidence to suggest that they are from outer space, but at the same time we have no evidence to suggest that they’re not. And so, this report will probably be a bit of a placeholder. The one thing we know for sure at this point is that it’s not U.S. secret technology. So that takes part of the 30-year argument that this is some sort of secret Air Force, if you will, weapon platform being tested. That’s now off the table. And so now we can focus more, I think, on the foreign adversarial perspective, or hopefully maybe something quite frankly sufficiently different than anything that we had--we had possibly considered before.

MS. ALEMANY: And when we’re actually talking about this as a national security threat or as a foreign adversarial threat as you just mentioned, you know, I think we need to talk about China here, which the United States government also views as a national security threat. And China is making big investments at the moment to identify extraterrestrial life as a part of their military mission. There’s discussion within the community about whether it’s better for us to lead the way with confirmation versus China doing so and possibly being dishonest about what they’ve found--essentially a new modern-day space race. Do you think, in your opinion, does it matter which national takes the lead on confirming the presence of extraterrestrial life and who gets to the bottom of this answer first?

MR. ELIZONDO: I think--well, you’re right, Jackie. And not only that, they’ve just announced they’ve established a new UAP taskforce similar to ours and they’re using artificial intelligence to do this. We also know that there’s a play by them to try to lead this conversation at the United Nations. That--for me, it’s a multifaceted question you’re asking me. There’s two parts of me, and I’m a little bit I guess you’d say schizophrenic about the response. There is the national security side of me that has said always we have these adversaries, these traditional adversaries, and they’re going to steal everything they can from us. We should--don’t trust them. Try to cooperate, but don’t trust them.

But then there’s the other side, which is the non-governmental side of me that tends to be a little bit more optimistic. And perhaps this is an opportunity for our countries, rather than to find disagreement, maybe to find some sort of common ground. Maybe this may be a new renaissance. Maybe this is an opportunity for our countries to work together on a common good that involves all of humanity. Maybe this is like we did in the Cold War where we started working with the Russians to, you know, this era of cooperation where we start meeting each other in space. I would certainly hope the latter is what happens, but I don’t know. You know, that’s a great question, because what I hope for may be different than what I expect. And that still needs to be reconciled. So, I don’t know if I answered your question appropriately, but that’s how I feel.

I would love nothing more than an opportunity to work with our adversaries, our conventional adversaries--Russia, China, let’s get everybody to the table. I believe this is a topic that involves all of humanity. I think it affects all of us equally and yet differently, depending on our philosophical, sociological and theological belief systems. So, I--you know, I guess maybe--maybe guess the kid in me wants this to be an opportunity for us to work together. But I also have a very realistic side, because I’ve seen what those countries are capable of doing, and you know, I--it would have to take a lot of trust for us to do that.

MS. ALEMANY: And several of these UFO sightings have been above secret nuclear weapons facilities. Almost every major nuclear power across the globe really has reported and declassified these sightings. You have talked extensively about the connection here, which might be helpful I think for some people to hear in advance of my next question, which is whether or not the U.S. government has considered utilizing nuclear-powered naval fleets to lure these kinds of things to further study them.

MR. ELIZONDO: Wow. So first of all, Jackie, thank you for asking such a thoughtful question. Obviously, you’ve done some homework. And I also want to, by the way, thank you as a journalist for following this topic, because I know there’s a lot of risk involved, and I also know there’s been traditionally a lot of stigma and taboo associated with it. So, I want to congratulate you for your courage and thank you and your audience for at least having this conversation.

But secondly, yes, that is--that is one of the concerns we have from a national security perspective, that there does seem to be some sort of congruency or some sort of intersection between these UAP or UFO sightings and our nuclear technology with nuclear propulsion, nuclear power generation, or nuclear weapons systems. Furthermore, those same observations have been seen overseas in other countries. They too have had the same incidents. So that tells us this is a global issue.

Now in this country we’ve had incidents where these UAPs have interfered and actually brought offline our nuclear capabilities. And I think to some they would probably say, well, that’s a sign that whatever this is, is something that is peaceful. But in the same context, we also have data suggesting that in other countries these things have interfered with their nuclear technology and actually turned them on, put them online. So that is equally, for me, just as concerning. I think that there is certainly at this point enough data to demonstrate there is an interest in our nuclear technology, a potential to even interfere with that nuclear technology. And when you look at all these naval ships out there--let’s take the Nimitz battle carrier fleet for example--in some cases you’re talking about a nuclear footprint probably bigger than most cities. You have a nuclear-powered carrier with aircraft on board that--and then you have nuclear-powered destroyers. You have nuclear-powered submarines, some of those with nuclear weapons on board, or nuclear--certainly nuclear capabilities. I’ll just say that. So, I think--I think, yeah, it shouldn’t be a surprise that maybe there is an increased interest in our capabilities as it relates to our nuclear technology. And the Navy is certainly not immune to that.

MS. ALEMANY: [Inaudible]

MR. ELIZONDO: Yeah, absolutely. And so, you know, I think the--there’s two--there’s two congruencies that we see. We see a--we see an interest in our nuclear capabilities, and then we have this really bizarre what--I don’t know if you call it an interest, but there seems to be a connection with water, and these things have a tendency to be seen in and around water, which kind of leads to one of the observables that we’ve had. There’s five distinct observables that set this technology, as I mentioned earlier, aside from everything we have in our inventory.

The first is hypersonic velocity. The ability to change directions instantly. And when I say instantly, I mean human beings can withstand about 9 g forces or some of our best aircraft can withstand about 16 Gs. These things are doing 3-, 4-, 600 Gs in midflight.

Then there’s hypersonic velocity. That is speeds that by definition are Mach 5 or above, very, very fast. We do have some technology. You mentioned Russian hypersonic and things like that. You know, there are technologies that can go that fast, but then again, you don’t expect a hypersonic aircraft to do a 90-degree turn. To put that into context, our SR-71 Blackbird when at 3,200 miles an hour wants to take a right-hand turn, it takes roughly half the state of Ohio to do it. You don’t expect it to just kind of do this. And that’s precisely what we’re seeing.

And then the third observable is a bit like cloaking. We call it low observability.

But the fourth observable is what we were talking about, and that is trans medium travel and water. The ability for an object to fly not only in our atmosphere, low and high altitudes, but also potentially in a vacuum environment like space and even underwater. Now we do have vehicles that can do that. We have, for example, a seaplane. A seaplane is a plane that can fly, and it can float on the water. But when you look at it, it’s neither really a very good aircraft or a boat because it’s a design compromise. And yet what we are seeing are objects that can operate in all these domains or all these environments, seemingly without any type of performance compromise.

And so why are we seeing these things around--in and around water is something that we’re really--we’re really kind of scratching our heads with, because we’ve seen these things. They’ve been recorded not only in our atmosphere but there’s data to suggest that they’ve also been tracked by some of our capabilities underwater as well and being able to perform in ways that frankly exceed anything that we know on the planet right now.

MS. ALEMANY: And, Lue, unfortunately we only have time for one more question. But I should make it clear to our viewers that you actually signed an NDA when you were working on this at the Pentagon. Is there any scenario that would cause you to break that NDA if you feel like, for example, this report obfuscates or peddles disinformation about what the findings actually are here?

MR. ELIZONDO: No, ma’am. I will now violate my non-disclosure agreement with the government. I still maintain a security clearance. And the reason is that not because it’s my loyalty to the government, because it’s my loyalty to the American people. That contract I signed those many years ago was a promise to the American people that I would never violate their trust, period. And I can’t violate their trust in order to gain their trust. It doesn’t work that way. So, what I’s going to continue to do is doing what I’m doing now and pushing for this disclosure, pushing for the information that I know to be true because I saw it and so did my colleagues, continue to have this conversation the way I can.

And I’ll tell you, if it looks like the Pentagon continues to obfuscate, I have made it clear before that there’s a possibility I would consider running for some sort of congressional office. I don’t want to do that. I’m not a politician. I don’t have the political savvy. But if I have to put my boots back on in order to make sure this conversation is had and ultimately allow the American people to have this conversation amongst themselves, then I will do what’s necessary short of violating my non-disclosure agreement and violating my trust with the American people.

MS. ALEMANY: Well, we hope you’ll come to us if and when you make that decision to run for office. Thank you so much for joining us today, Lue, and thanks for your work on all this.

MR. ELIZONDO: Jackie, thank you sincerely to you and your audience. You’ve been wonderful. Any time.

MS. ALEMANY: And everyone, I’m going to be back at 4:30 for a special program, Life After Vaccines: The Future of Travel and Live Events, with WNBA Commissioner Cathy Engelbert and Kayak CEO Steve Hafner. Thanks for joining us.

[Chris]

This is already 2 years old, but the New York Post did an entire series on UFOs, with the actual expert at the UK's Department of Defence who was responsible for investigating UFOs providing much of the material and the commentary.

There's a staggering amount of credible evidence out there, that has been corroborated by many independent witnesses and experts. I am actually at a loss, why this has not been widely reported, especially since 2017 when the NYT finally broke the most credible stories, with video evidence and an eventual confirmation by the Pentagon, that they are real.

I am actually reading a UFO contact book titled Millennial Hospitality, that was referenced in the Paul Hellier interview earlier and I still can't decide whether it is fiction or not. The interesting thing is that the author, the contactee, couldn't decide that either. It took him many years to accept the fact that he wasn't just hallucinating, he went to incredible lengths to convince himself, that he was just seeing things, until he could no longer stay in denial.

That is probably going on with sceptics right now, they are so desperate to convince themselves that UFOs and aliens aren't real, that they go to all sorts of lengths and mental contortions to try to explain away or deny the undeniable, cold, harsh truth, that we are being visited by much more advanced beings and they do not really seem to care that much what we might think of them.

I'm posting the first video here, but you can watch the wholes series on youtube, it is worth a watch.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaSY2Zc0goQ

[Chris]

I previously posted some interviews with Paul Hellyer, the ex-minister of defence of Canada, whom I consider to be a credible source on the UFO phenomena. He referenced the tall whites and the story of one Charles J. Hall, who wrote the book Millennial Hospitality. I've just finished reading his first book at first, not even sure if it was fictional or factual, but the book was captivating nevertheless. I am now convinced it is factual and his encounters were entirely real. His story is very unique and differs from almost all other alien encounters in significant ways. A documentary was made with his story, which you can rent on Amazon or download from a torrent site, but the books are even better.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeNE9_kiPiY&ab_channel=QOSM

His story is worth exploring in detail, because it provides explanations to so many mysteries surrounding this topic.

The beings he encountered were mostly the "Tall Whites", who are a bit taller and slimmer than humans, with chalk-white skin, blue eyes and thin, platinum-white hair. They can run incredibly fast for extended periods of time, even at 35-40 mph and are therefore terrifying to behold. They are much more advanced technologically, well-armed and will kill humans without hesitation when threatened. They have very interesting technology, which is described in detail in the book. They travel in the white tic-tac shaped craft that has become so famous lately, and when shown US NAVY footage of the famous Tic-Tac incident, he confirmed that this is in fact the craft the tall whites use and he has been inside one of them.

He describes the inside of the craft in detail and mentions that the markings and writings inside are identical to Egyptian hieroglyphs. The language they speak sounds apparently like the singing of the meadowlark. In light of this, it is interesting, that ancient Egyptians often depicted the gods as being much taller than them and with bird heads. Perhaps they were actually referring to the tall whites.

The way they operate is very interesting and would explain a lot of mysteries and anomalies, particularly in places like skinwalker ranch.

They cloak themselves, can manipulate time, erase memories and use technology to take control of a human.

When Charlie first encountered them, as a lone Air Force weatherman out in the Nevada Desert, they would literally play tricks and games with him. They have children, who would literally enjoy messing with him. They would hide some of his personal belongings, then return them, but not always to the same place they took it from. They were intensely curious about every little thing he did and watch him in a cloaked or semi-cloaked manner, sometimes just hiding in the Sagebrush. When cloaked, they appear chalk white and ghost like, they float around on contraptions, or can just walk or gallop like a horse, due to this they were often mistaken by the airmen for some sort of strange, ghost-like mythical horses.

They are in contact with the Pentagon, but human generals are quite terrified of them. Very strict protocols have to be followed when they are around and if a human around them panics or poses a danger to them, or particularly their children, they will shoot them dead without hesitation. They are both very curious and very fearful of humans. When humans encounter them in real life, the humans tend to go into a blind panic and do stupid things, which put them in danger.

Charlie describes many cases where battle-hardened soldiers lost all control of themselves and set off running into the desert to the point of exhaustion and near-death. One of his best friends was shot dead by them, when he panicked during a chance encounter and hurt their children.

Charlie actually helped save the daughter of one of the high-ranking tall whites, referred to as the teacher. This earned their respect and from that point on the Pentagon gave special orders that only he was allowed out on the ranges and the tall whites would give him plenty of leeway. Even with this in place, most of their meetings were still tense and the aliens would always show up fully armed and with guards and sentries posted.

Some more interesting details about the Tall whites:
- They come from a star system approximately 100 lightyears away, as per Charlie's estimation and it takes them about 2 months to make the journey.
- Earth is too cold for them and they only show up in the Nevada desert during the Summer months. Presumably, they will also visit other hot desert areas on earth. Some of them are quite human-looking and with make-up and a wig, they can walk around unnoticed in Las Vegas. Apparently, they enjoy attending the shows in Caesar's palace.
- There are several nearby habitable planets that they have explored, but found them too cold to be of any use. These have plant and animal life, but no intelligent inhabitants. Apparently, during the 1960s, they made an offer to the pentagon, whereby the US was allowed to colonise these planets, with the tall whites providing transport, in exchange for them building bases and Hangars that can act as a base of operations on long interstellar journeys.

Apart from the tall white, Charlie has also encountered two other races, the greys and what he calls the Norwegians (Nordics), who are less technologically advanced.

That's the gist of it, but I found it rather interesting and this guy sounds like a credible witness, being a decorated air force veteran and having been endorsed by Paul Hellier. His story also provides an explanation as to why disclosure has to be so slow and gradual. Even experienced soldiers lose their shit, fly into a blind panic or go into denial when they encounter a non-human entity, so they have to be ultra-careful with disclosure.

[Emil El Zapato]

I've seen the Walking with the Tall Whites. I don't think I finished watching the whole thing not because it wasn't interesting but it became redundant after awhile. Maybe I did watch the whole thing I don't really remember. It is reminiscent of the Schneider story.

[Chris]

I've seen the Walking with the Tall Whites. I don't think I finished watching the whole thing not because it wasn't interesting but it became redundant after awhile. Maybe I did watch the whole thing I don't really remember. It is reminiscent of the Schneider story.

His books are worth a read, even though the documentary is a bit hit and miss.

I like the small details in his account, which makes it more credible and the psychological contortions he put himself through to convince himself that what he was seeing wasn't real.

I see this Denial now with mainstream scientists as they are going to ever more ridiculous lengths to try and deny the existense of UFOs. I just saw Neil De Grasse Tyson on Bill Maher's show, where he was asked about the UAP revelations and it was a complete cringefest. He just became completely emotional and irrational, unable to make a single rational argument "debunking" the very clear evidence in front of his eyes. That's human psychology for you, people go into denial mode, when their existing world-view is threatened and I see that happening to all these mainstream professional sceptics and evidence deniers.

This is actually how Charlie coped with seeing aliens on a daily basis. He convinced himself he was just hallucinating and they were figments of his imagination, even though the evidence to them being real was just undeniable, his friends also saw him, there were bootprints on the ground after each visit, his superiors issued special orders that only made sense if they were real, etc...

Still, people will deny that Aliens exist even when they start openly walking among us and showing up in our skies on a regular basis.

[Aragorn]

I've seen the Walking with the Tall Whites. I don't think I finished watching the whole thing not because it wasn't interesting but it became redundant after awhile. Maybe I did watch the whole thing I don't really remember. It is reminiscent of the Schneider story.

Phil Schneider was a confirmed paranoid schizophrenic, and nothing of what he said was true. The "incident at Dulce" in which an alien ─ which he described as a Tall Grey, rather than a Tall White ─ fired a weapon at him that burned off two of his fingers was of course also fake; he had cut off his own fingers. And the "alien material" he was showing to people at UFO conventions was plutonium. He was in the possession of no less than 27 kg of the stuff, which is why he was under investigation by the FBI.

Lastly, he was also not murdered with a piano string, as is claimed. He committed suicide.

[Chris]

Phil Schneider was a confirmed paranoid schizophrenic, and nothing of what he said was true. The "incident at Dulce" in which an alien ─ which he described as a Tall Grey, rather than a Tall White ─ fired a weapon at him that burned off two of his fingers was of course also fake; he had cut off his own fingers. And the "alien material" he was showing to people at UFO conventions was plutonium. He was in the possession of no less than 27 kg of the stuff, which is why he was under investigation by the FBI.

Lastly, he was also not murdered with a piano string, as is claimed. He committed suicide.

Yeah, Phil Schneider never looked legit to me, so it figures.

What I like about Charles J Hall is that he really was in the air force and is a decorated veteran, who came out with his story only decades after leaving the air force. He has now passed away, I believe.

[Emil El Zapato]

There was another guy that wrote a book back in the 50's I believe that documented his meeting with (if i remember correctly) a Grey ... could have been a Tall White ... again, I don't remember because I read this book back in the 80's probably. Seems like his name was Hall also but it was an obscure book but pretty fascinating as he was a scientist and was out just walking in the New Mexico desert and met up with this alien named rtebnmosfpnsqr ... Ok, kidding about the name ... I just remember the author's name was something like Trembly or T Hall ... sumpin' like that.

Yeah, I made the analogy with Schneider because of the 'high strangeness' factor. The basement office is always good with Nick Pope. He's a pretty straight guy.

[Chris]

Another Tic-Tac UFO sighting with photo, this time over the UK.

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/weird-news/infamous-tic-tac-ufo-investigated-24350414

https://i2-prod.dailystar.co.uk/incoming/article24350452.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/2_tictac1jpeg.jpg

[Emil El Zapato]

Another Tic-Tac UFO sighting with photo, this time over the UK.

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/weird-news/infamous-tic-tac-ufo-investigated-24350414

https://i2-prod.dailystar.co.uk/incoming/article24350452.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/2_tictac1jpeg.jpg

I found out last night that Paul Hellyer IS still alive ... I thought he died 3 or 4 years ago... That's good that way somebody can question his veracity as a UFOlogist. :)

[Wind]

If the secret technology invented by Tesla and such would not have been hidden, every energy related problem of ours could be solved. There would be no artificial "lack". Greed is the cancer of mankind, but the dark powers surely have played their part in that.

Here's something more relevant from the Law of One (https://www.lawofone.info/s/8).


8.2 Questioner: There was a portion of the material yesterday which I will read where you say “there is a certain amount of landing taking place. Some of these landings are of your peoples; some are of the entities known to you as the group of Orion.” My first question is what did you mean by the landings are of your peoples?

Ra: I am Ra. Your peoples have, at this time/space present, the technological achievement, if you would call it that, of being able to create and fly the shape and type of craft known to you as unidentified flying objects. Unfortunately for the social memory complex vibratory rate of your peoples, these devices are not intended for the service of mankind, but for potential destructive use. This further muddles the vibratory nexus of your social memory complex, causing a situation whereby neither those oriented towards serving others nor those oriented towards serving self can gain the energy/power which opens the gates to intelligent infinity for the social memory complex. This in turn causes the harvest to be small.

8.3 Questioner: Are these craft that are of our peoples from what we call planes that are not incarnate at this time? Where are they based?

Ra: I am Ra. These of which we spoke are of third density and are part of the so-called military complex of various of your peoples’ societal divisions or structures.

The bases are varied. There are bases, as you would call them, undersea in your southern waters near the Bahamas as well as in your Pacific seas in various places close to your Chilean borders on the water. There are bases upon your moon, as you call this satellite, which are at this time being reworked. There are bases which move about your lands. There are bases, if you would call them that, in your skies. These are the bases of your peoples, very numerous and, as we have said, potentially destructive.

8.4 Questioner: Where do the people who operate these craft come from? Are they affiliated with any nation on Earth? What is their source?

Ra: These people come from the same place as you or I. They come from the Creator.
As you intend the question, in its shallower aspect, these people are those in your and other-selves’ governments responsible for what you would term national security.

8.5 Questioner: Am I to understand then that the United States has these craft in undersea bases?

Ra: I am Ra. You are correct.

8.6 Questioner: How did the United States learn of the technology to build these land [inaudible]?

Ra: I am Ra. There was a mind/body/spirit complex known to your people by the vibratory sound complex, Nikola. This entity departed the illusion and the papers containing the necessary understandings were taken by mind/body/spirit complexes serving your security of national divisional complex. Thus your people became privy to the basic technology. In the case of those mind/body/spirit complexes which you call Russians, the technology was given from one of the Confederation in an attempt, approximately twenty-seven of your years ago, to share information and bring about peace among your peoples. The entities giving this information were in error, but we did many things at the end of this cycle in attempts to aid your harvest from which we learned the folly of certain types of aid. That is a contributing factor to our more cautious approach at this date, even as the need is power upon power greater, and your people’s call is greater and greater.

8.7 Questioner: I’m puzzled by these craft that we have undersea bases for. They are [inaudible]. Is this technology sufficient to overshadow all other armaments? Do we have just the ability to fly in these craft or are there any weapons like there are… Were they given to us [inaudible] or are they just craft for transport? What is the basic mechanism of their [inaudible]? It’s really hard to believe is what I’m saying.

Ra: I am Ra. The craft are perhaps misnamed in some instances. It would be more appropriate to consider them as weaponry. The energy used is that of the field of electromagnetic energy which polarizes the Earth sphere. The weaponry is of two basic kinds: that which is called by your peoples psychotronic and that which is called by your peoples particle beam. The amount of destruction which is contained in this technology is considerable and the weapons have been used in many cases to alter weather patterns and to enhance the vibratory change which engulfs your planet at this time.

8.8 Questioner: How have they been able to keep this a secret? Why aren’t these craft in use for transport?

Ra: The governments of each of your societal division illusions desire to refrain from publicity so that the surprise may be retained in case of hostile action from what your peoples call enemies.

8.9 Questioner: How many of these craft does the United States have?

Ra: I am Ra. The United States has five hundred seven three, five seven three [573] at this time. They are in the process of adding to this number.

8.10 Questioner: What is the maximum speed of one of these craft?

Ra: I am Ra. The maximum speed of these craft is equal to the Earth energy squared. This field varies. The limit is approximately one-half the light speed, as you would call it. This is due to imperfections in design.

8.11 Questioner: Wouldn’t this type of craft totally solve, or come close to solving, a lot of the energy problems as far as transport goes? That we’re used to transporting [inaudible]… transporting [inaudible].

Ra: I am Ra. The technology your peoples possess at this time is capable of resolving each and every limitation which plagues your social memory complex at this present nexus of experience. However, the concerns of some of your beings with distortions towards what you would call powerful energy cause these solutions to be withheld until the solutions are so needed that those with the distortion can then become further distorted in the direction of power.

[Chris]

I'm less and less sure about the secret tech part. I just see no evidence for it.
This kind of technology has been supposedly around since the 1920s, how on earth did they manage to keep it secret for a century? There would have been some sort of leak during that time, some of it would have filtered into the mainstream by now, but I see no sign of it.

Knowing governments, I just don't think they would keep investing massive amounts in nuclear power, fossil fuels, jet and rocket engines, if they really had access to much more advanced free energy or zero point technology. Perhaps such a pretence can be maintained for a decade or two, but not a hundred years. That's what I think anyway.

So, in that respect, I agree with Aragorn, that UAPs are not 'our" technology and our craft, they are far too ahead of us for that to be feasible. Luis Elizondo, the former head of AATIP estimated that the technology US navy pilots witnessed was 50-1000 years ahead of even the secret next gen technology that is being currently worked on in the like of Lockheed Skunk Works.

Sorry, SG-1 is a great show, but I just don't see USAF personnel flying around in flying saucers under those circumstances.

[Wind]

Oh, but that goes beyond governments. Personally I think it's both, reverse engineered technology used by military and ET's.

[Chris]

One thing that occurred to me thinking about the Law of One material, is that the source of the channellings call themselves Ra, who was the Egyptian Sun God.

In the original Stargate movie, the main villain was portrayed as RA, who was actually credited for starting ancient Egyptian civilisation. Were the creators of the show partially inspired by the law of One material? It would be fascinating, if they were. I know they already admitted to getting inspiration from ancient alien proponents, such as Sitchin and Daniken.

Also, I wonder about the Tall Whites I discussed a few posts back. They reportedly use egyptian hieroglyphs in their ships and their language is bird-song like. Might they be the real source behind these channellings? Fascinating to ponder the implications.

[Wind]

One thing that occurred to me thinking about the Law of One material, is that the source of the channellings call themselves Ra, who was the Egyptian Sun God.

In the original Stargate movie, the main villain was portrayed as RA, who was actually credited for starting ancient Egyptian civilisation. Were the creators of the show partially inspired by the law of One material? It would be fascinating, if they were. I know they already admitted to getting inspiration from ancient alien proponents, such as Sitchin and Daniken.

Could be, although if I remember correctly the group called Ra was not the same thing as the Sun God Ra.

I still remember that movie, the series is better though. There are some interesting themes there correlating with reality.

[Chris]

Could be, although if I remember correctly the group called Ra was not the same thing as the Sun God Ra.

I still remember that movie, the series is better though. There are some interesting themes there correlating with reality.

Yes, the series was very Meta.

They even did some episodes, where there was a show within a show, called Wormhole Extreme, a cheesy version of Stargate Sg-1. The whole storyline was, that the Airforce allowed this show to depict real events, technologies and characters, so that if there was ever a leak, they could point to the show as the source. It is called plausible deniability. Then the airforce did actually send a real general to play himself (I think it was general West) in the show and they sent consultants to advise the producers, just like in the show itself. They have created such a web of plausible deniability, that pretty much any actual leak can now be blamed on the TV show.

[Dreamtimer]

Wormhole Extreme was pretty funny. It painted the whole picture in picture quite well.

Nowadays, if folks are believing that Donald Trump is a prophet of God, it's hardly outlandish to believe in alien craft and technology. In fact, it's quite sane in comparison.

And there are millions of folks in America who see the orange one as a prophet and their fellow Americans as an enemy.

Putin must be laughing all the way to the bank.

[Chris]

Wormhole Extreme was pretty funny. It painted the whole picture in picture quite well.

Nowadays, if folks are believing that Donald Trump is a prophet of God, it's hardly outlandish to believe in alien craft and technology. In fact, it's quite sane in comparison.

And there are millions of folks in America who see the orange one as a prophet and their fellow Americans as an enemy.

Putin must be laughing all the way to the bank.

Guys, can we let the Orange one go now? Out of sight out of mind.

I didn't even think about him since he disappeared in the Memory Hole back in January.

He has no relevance to this topic, except for the fact that the Pentagon UFO report was made a legal requirement under his administration, but that is probably just an oversight on his side.

[Chris]

https://www.thesun.ie/news/7174621/ufos-shut-down-nukes-us-base/

ASHES TO ASHES UFOs ‘shut down 10 nuke missiles at US base & may have been alerted to humanity by first atomic bomb blasts’

UFOs allegedly shut down ten nuclear missiles in a bizarre incident at a US military base - and the global phenomena may have been triggered by the first atomic bomb tests in the 1940s, it has been claimed.

Strange objects in the sky are under intense focus as the US to release an intelligence report ordered by Congress on the issue after a flurry of leaked videos showing close encounters with warships and fighter planes.

Gary Heseltine, vice president of ICER, a new organisation set up ahead of the Pentagon report to call for full disclosure and an end to the stigma on the topic, believes the UFO story starts with man's first nuke bomb tests in 1945.

And he points to the incredible tale of Captain Robert Salas, a former US nuclear launch officer, who went public with an extraordinary claim - stating in 1967 a UFO appeared at Malmstrom Air Force Base in Montana.

Salas claims that ten of the US's nuclear Minuteman missiles that he was overseeing inexplicably moved into the "no-go" setting - meaning they could not be launched even if the order was given.

The base allegedly took a day to bring the weapons back online - and they could not find any physical damage or explanation for the sudden problem with the missiles.


Mr Heseltine told The Sun Online: "It is likely that when the US detonated the first atomic bomb that it literally sent shockwaves out into space and alerted other civilisations that life on earth has evolved technologically to the point that it could split the atom and create atomic fusion.

"From that point on it seems that UFOs began to show up near US military installations and worldwide."

Dismissed as a conspiracy theory for decades, former US defence officials, sitting politicians, and former presidents Barack Obama and Bill Clinton have all acknowledged there is something unusual going on with UFOs.

Now often referred to as UAPs - Unidentified Aerial Phenomena - questions are being asked if the objects caught on film are super advanced drones, secret military technology, or hoaxes & camera tricks.

And then there is the final option - which is reportedly being seriously considered as part of the UFO report which is due for release within the next week - is that they objects are alien in origin.

And there appears to be an intrinsic link between the UFOs and mankind's nukes with many recent US military sightings happening near nuclear-powered aircraft carriers or submarines.

Former US defence officials have also claimed there are instances where UFOs have invaded the airspace around secret US nuclear sites and "interfered" with nuclear weapons.

ICER stated in a press release last week that its position is mankind is being sent a warning of nuclear weapons - and have called for disarmament to be raised at the United Nations.

The US detonated the world's first nuclear bomb - codenamed Trinity - on July 16, 1945 - and the first wave of a boom in UFOs sightings followed in the late 40s and the 50s.

The Sun Online approached Captain Salas for interview - but he was unavailable.

However, he previously spoke about his experience at a press conference alongside with six other air force officers in 2010.

"I want the Air Force, the government to come forward and say this is a real phenomenon," he said.

Captain Salas claimed UFOs are a "national security" threat as he recounted what he witnessed while stationed 60feet underground in a launch control base.

US military security reported seeing lights in the sky making off maneuvers before five minutes later they claimed they spotted a "pulsating oval-shaped object" hovering above the base.

The launch officer claims the missiles he was monitoring then started going into the "no go" condition.

And this apparent display of power by the UFOs came at the height of the Cold War when the US and Russia sat poised on the edge of Armageddon.

Captain Salas said: "I think it was simply a show. They wanted to shine a light on our nuclear weapons and just send us a message.

"My interpretation is the message is get rid of them because it's going to mean our destruction."

The US Air Force has never confirmed the incident - but his account appears to match up with numerous other claims of the links between nukes and UFOs.

Mr Heseltine spent six years working with the Royal Air Force police, 24 years with the British Transport Police, and launched a national database for UFO sightings for cops whiles till a serving officer in 2002 - before retiring from the force in 2013 to focus on his UFO research.

He told The Sun Online that UFOs may be interested in man's nuclear weapons to try and who humanity we are playing with fire.

And he says there is a historic correlation between the proliferation of nuclear weapons and increasing sightings of the phenomena.

Roswell - one of the sites of the most infamous alleged UFO encounters - was the home of the US Air Force's 509th Bombardment Group which dropped the world's first nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki that ended World War 2.

And one of Britain's most infamous encounters, the incident at Rendlesham Forest, also occurred close to RAF Woodbridge and RAF Bentwaters - where its claimed some nuclear weapons were secretly stored.

Mr Heseltine spent sometime guarding nuclear weapons stored at RAF Honington in 1984 while serving in the air force's police service.

"The correlation of UFO/UAPs is historically well-made and would seem to suggest that their actions are meant as a warning to mankind of the dangers of nuclear weapons," he told The Sun Online.

Luis Elizondo, who headed up the secretive Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP) for the Pentagon, just weeks ago also made the link between UFOs and nukes.

The former intelligence officer, speaking at an event hosted by The Washington Post, said the nuclear issue is one of the reason UFOs must be treated as a nationality security concern.

He said: "That is one of the concerns we have from a national security perspective, that there does seem to be some sort of congruency or some sort of intersection between these UAP or UFO sightings and our nuclear technology with nuclear propulsion, nuclear power generation, or nuclear weapons systems.

"Furthermore, those same observations have been seen overseas in other countries. They too have had the same incidents. So that tells us this is a global issue."

Mr Elizondo claimed in the US that UFOs have disabled nuclear capabilities, while he has heard reports that in other nations that nuclear technology has been switched on.

And he characterised the technology being witnessed as "something that could be anywhere between 50 and 1,000 years ahead" of mankind's own capabilities.

Mr Heseltine told The Sun Online: "[After Rosewell] UFOs begun to show up in increasing frequency near nuclear power plants, nuclear storage facilities and nuclear weapons story areas.

"Often UFOs were seen going into and emerging from the oceans of the world.

"If as humans we plan to set up Moon and Mars bases, doesn't it make sense that an alien species may have done the same to the Earth however long ago?

"And that if they had been here in our deepest oceans trenches for a long time that they would not want to see their habitat destroyed by a nuclear war that would render the planet uninhabitable for humans and for their kind as well.

"As if to demonstrate the folly of nuclear weapons UFOs have at times appeared to demonstrate to the authorities that they are messing with fire."

US intelligence services officially closed the book on the phenomena in 1969 at the conclusion Project Blue Book - which stated there was nothing to see regarding UFOs.

However, in the last three years there has been an abrupt turnaround as the Pentagon took the unprecedented step of confirming three stunning UFO videos filmed by the US Navy.

And the UFO report - which was commissioned by Congress - is being compiled by the UAP Task Force, who were given a 180 day deadline in December which is due to expire this month.

Competing theories on the strange videos continue to rage – with some grounded on Earth claiming the videos capture never-before-seen military aircraft or drones, while others claim it shows otherworldly craft possibly piloted by aliens.

Others however are more skeptical and sometimes even dismissive, claiming the bizarre videos may just be camera tricks, natural phenomena or even outright hoaxes.

Leaked videos continue to emerge its been reported the UAP Task Force are investigating over 100 encounters between the military and the unidentified objects.

Emerging details on the report state that it does not confirm or rule out an alien origin for the phenomena - but US lawmakers have been talking up the issue following a classified briefing last week.

The Sun Online also spoke to Tobias Ellwood MP, who suggested UFOs could be advanced drones and called on the UK to stage a similar probe to the US.

[Aragorn]

Gary Heseltine, vice president of ICER, a new organisation set up ahead of the Pentagon report to call for full disclosure and an end to the stigma on the topic, believes the UFO story starts with man's first nuke bomb tests in 1945.

We have actually interviewed Gary Heseltine (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/8167-The-One-Truth-interviews-Gary-Heseltine-UFO-Researcher) a number of years ago. The interview was conducted by our now former super moderator bsbray, who unfortunately went off the deep end and became an extremely hostile far-right bigot and bully.

bsbray has been permanently banned with no option to ever return, and he was also banned ─ for similar reasons ─ at Project Avalon. He also posted libeling infographics about Bill Ryan and an alleged connection with pedophiles and Hillary Clinton at 8Chan and at yet another far-right message board, with the explicit intent of blaming The One Truth for the creation and posting of those infographics. When I returned to Project Avalon about two years ago, I had a lot of rectifying to do on account of this and other prejudices about us that they had over there, thanks to bsbray and others like him.

Nevertheless, the interview below was conducted while bsbray was still within possession of most of his sanity ─ even though he already was an asshole even back then.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WvUvl7i0PQ

[Emil El Zapato]

https://www.thesun.ie/news/7174621/ufos-shut-down-nukes-us-base/

ASHES TO ASHES UFOs ‘shut down 10 nuke missiles at US base & may have been alerted to humanity by first atomic bomb blasts’

UFOs allegedly shut down ten nuclear missiles in a bizarre incident at a US military base - and the global phenomena may have been triggered by the first atomic bomb tests in the 1940s, it has been claimed.

Strange objects in the sky are under intense focus as the US to release an intelligence report ordered by Congress on the issue after a flurry of leaked videos showing close encounters with warships and fighter planes.

Gary Heseltine, vice president of ICER, a new organisation set up ahead of the Pentagon report to call for full disclosure and an end to the stigma on the topic, believes the UFO story starts with man's first nuke bomb tests in 1945.

And he points to the incredible tale of Captain Robert Salas, a former US nuclear launch officer, who went public with an extraordinary claim - stating in 1967 a UFO appeared at Malmstrom Air Force Base in Montana.

Salas claims that ten of the US's nuclear Minuteman missiles that he was overseeing inexplicably moved into the "no-go" setting - meaning they could not be launched even if the order was given.

The base allegedly took a day to bring the weapons back online - and they could not find any physical damage or explanation for the sudden problem with the missiles.


Mr Heseltine told The Sun Online: "It is likely that when the US detonated the first atomic bomb that it literally sent shockwaves out into space and alerted other civilisations that life on earth has evolved technologically to the point that it could split the atom and create atomic fusion.

"From that point on it seems that UFOs began to show up near US military installations and worldwide."

Dismissed as a conspiracy theory for decades, former US defence officials, sitting politicians, and former presidents Barack Obama and Bill Clinton have all acknowledged there is something unusual going on with UFOs.

Now often referred to as UAPs - Unidentified Aerial Phenomena - questions are being asked if the objects caught on film are super advanced drones, secret military technology, or hoaxes & camera tricks.

And then there is the final option - which is reportedly being seriously considered as part of the UFO report which is due for release within the next week - is that they objects are alien in origin.

And there appears to be an intrinsic link between the UFOs and mankind's nukes with many recent US military sightings happening near nuclear-powered aircraft carriers or submarines.

Former US defence officials have also claimed there are instances where UFOs have invaded the airspace around secret US nuclear sites and "interfered" with nuclear weapons.

ICER stated in a press release last week that its position is mankind is being sent a warning of nuclear weapons - and have called for disarmament to be raised at the United Nations.

The US detonated the world's first nuclear bomb - codenamed Trinity - on July 16, 1945 - and the first wave of a boom in UFOs sightings followed in the late 40s and the 50s.

The Sun Online approached Captain Salas for interview - but he was unavailable.

However, he previously spoke about his experience at a press conference alongside with six other air force officers in 2010.

"I want the Air Force, the government to come forward and say this is a real phenomenon," he said.

Captain Salas claimed UFOs are a "national security" threat as he recounted what he witnessed while stationed 60feet underground in a launch control base.

US military security reported seeing lights in the sky making off maneuvers before five minutes later they claimed they spotted a "pulsating oval-shaped object" hovering above the base.

The launch officer claims the missiles he was monitoring then started going into the "no go" condition.

And this apparent display of power by the UFOs came at the height of the Cold War when the US and Russia sat poised on the edge of Armageddon.

Captain Salas said: "I think it was simply a show. They wanted to shine a light on our nuclear weapons and just send us a message.

"My interpretation is the message is get rid of them because it's going to mean our destruction."

The US Air Force has never confirmed the incident - but his account appears to match up with numerous other claims of the links between nukes and UFOs.

Mr Heseltine spent six years working with the Royal Air Force police, 24 years with the British Transport Police, and launched a national database for UFO sightings for cops whiles till a serving officer in 2002 - before retiring from the force in 2013 to focus on his UFO research.

He told The Sun Online that UFOs may be interested in man's nuclear weapons to try and who humanity we are playing with fire.

And he says there is a historic correlation between the proliferation of nuclear weapons and increasing sightings of the phenomena.

Roswell - one of the sites of the most infamous alleged UFO encounters - was the home of the US Air Force's 509th Bombardment Group which dropped the world's first nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki that ended World War 2.

And one of Britain's most infamous encounters, the incident at Rendlesham Forest, also occurred close to RAF Woodbridge and RAF Bentwaters - where its claimed some nuclear weapons were secretly stored.

Mr Heseltine spent sometime guarding nuclear weapons stored at RAF Honington in 1984 while serving in the air force's police service.

"The correlation of UFO/UAPs is historically well-made and would seem to suggest that their actions are meant as a warning to mankind of the dangers of nuclear weapons," he told The Sun Online.

Luis Elizondo, who headed up the secretive Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP) for the Pentagon, just weeks ago also made the link between UFOs and nukes.

The former intelligence officer, speaking at an event hosted by The Washington Post, said the nuclear issue is one of the reason UFOs must be treated as a nationality security concern.

He said: "That is one of the concerns we have from a national security perspective, that there does seem to be some sort of congruency or some sort of intersection between these UAP or UFO sightings and our nuclear technology with nuclear propulsion, nuclear power generation, or nuclear weapons systems.

"Furthermore, those same observations have been seen overseas in other countries. They too have had the same incidents. So that tells us this is a global issue."

Mr Elizondo claimed in the US that UFOs have disabled nuclear capabilities, while he has heard reports that in other nations that nuclear technology has been switched on.

And he characterised the technology being witnessed as "something that could be anywhere between 50 and 1,000 years ahead" of mankind's own capabilities.

Mr Heseltine told The Sun Online: "[After Rosewell] UFOs begun to show up in increasing frequency near nuclear power plants, nuclear storage facilities and nuclear weapons story areas.

"Often UFOs were seen going into and emerging from the oceans of the world.

"If as humans we plan to set up Moon and Mars bases, doesn't it make sense that an alien species may have done the same to the Earth however long ago?

"And that if they had been here in our deepest oceans trenches for a long time that they would not want to see their habitat destroyed by a nuclear war that would render the planet uninhabitable for humans and for their kind as well.

"As if to demonstrate the folly of nuclear weapons UFOs have at times appeared to demonstrate to the authorities that they are messing with fire."

US intelligence services officially closed the book on the phenomena in 1969 at the conclusion Project Blue Book - which stated there was nothing to see regarding UFOs.

However, in the last three years there has been an abrupt turnaround as the Pentagon took the unprecedented step of confirming three stunning UFO videos filmed by the US Navy.

And the UFO report - which was commissioned by Congress - is being compiled by the UAP Task Force, who were given a 180 day deadline in December which is due to expire this month.

Competing theories on the strange videos continue to rage – with some grounded on Earth claiming the videos capture never-before-seen military aircraft or drones, while others claim it shows otherworldly craft possibly piloted by aliens.

Others however are more skeptical and sometimes even dismissive, claiming the bizarre videos may just be camera tricks, natural phenomena or even outright hoaxes.

Leaked videos continue to emerge its been reported the UAP Task Force are investigating over 100 encounters between the military and the unidentified objects.

Emerging details on the report state that it does not confirm or rule out an alien origin for the phenomena - but US lawmakers have been talking up the issue following a classified briefing last week.

The Sun Online also spoke to Tobias Ellwood MP, who suggested UFOs could be advanced drones and called on the UK to stage a similar probe to the US.

For whatever its worth: If I remember correctly Salas spoke at the 1st Press Club gathering ... around 2001 ... maybe don't have time to look it up ... with Dr. Stephen Greer as the organizer and host.

Also, if the explosion waves traveled into space, it isn't likely that they could have reached any distance in space to alert ET's, unless they were lurking nearby or already interested for goodness knows how long.

[Dreamtimer]

Guys, can we let the Orange one go now? Out of sight out of mind.

I didn't even think about him since he disappeared in the Memory Hole back in January.

He has no relevance to this topic, except for the fact that the Pentagon UFO report was made a legal requirement under his administration, but that is probably just an oversight on his side.

I would just love to. We need Americans to let him go. And there are millions who are calling him messiah, which is why I threw that comment in there. No joke. Messiah.

It is a phenomenon I would love to ignore but cannot because it is so dangerous. People will still follow his lead and do harmful things.

I wish they would focus on the strangeness in the skies instead.

[Chris]

I would just love to. We need Americans to let him go. And there are millions who are calling him messiah, which is why I threw that comment in there. No joke. Messiah.

It is a phenomenon I would love to ignore but cannot because it is so dangerous. People will still follow his lead and do harmful things.

I wish they would focus on the strangeness in the skies instead.

From an outsider's perspective it is super-annoying. It seems that Americans of a liberal bent are still obsessed with him, as are of course right-wingers, for different reasons. I don't get it. If ever there was a non-entity in the White House, it was him. In practical terms, he did nothing of note whilst in office, which was a bit of a relief in comparison to Bush, who went around the world picking fights with everyone and starting wars that killed a lot of people. They even gave it the name "Cowboy Diplomacy".

Other than his crazy hair, we have all forgotten about mr T in sane-land, as if he'd never even existed.

[Dreamtimer]

I'm not sure what you mean by obsession, Chris. But I do know it's dangerous to ignore a clear and present danger, whatever form it's in.

People who believe a man is a messiah are very dangerous. I think you probably know this. You've probably seen it. Religious fervor can be incredibly dangerous.

If keeping an eye on a current threat is obsession, then that's a new definition for me.

[Chris]

I'm not sure what you mean by obsession, Chris. But I do know it's dangerous to ignore a clear and present danger, whatever form it's in.

People who believe a man is a messiah are very dangerous. I think you probably know this. You've probably seen it. Religious fervor can be incredibly dangerous.

If keeping an eye on a current threat is obsession, then that's a new definition for me.

Let me put it this way:

How many times do you see me raging about Viktor Orban?

Believe me, there is plenty to rage and moan and bitch about when it comes to him, I just don't do it, especially in completely unrelated discussions. That is because I know that outside Hungary, very few people have heard about him or care about what he does, even though in the local context, he's at least as bad as mr T, probably even worse, because he appears to be unremovable.

I just think that you guys on planet America are a bit preoccupied with your own local politics as opposed to the bigger picture. Now, when mr T was president, perhaps that was understandable, but now that he's gone, gone, gone, it is time to move on to other topics.

[Emil El Zapato]

Let me put it this way:

How many times do you see me raging about Viktor Orban?

Believe me, there is plenty to rage and moan and bitch about when it comes to him, I just don't do it, especially in completely unrelated discussions. That is because I know that outside Hungary, very few people have heard about him or care about what he does, even though in the local context, he's at least as bad as mr T, probably even worse, because he appears to be unremovable.

I just think that you guys on planet America are a bit preoccupied with your own local politics as opposed to the bigger picture. Now, when mr T was president, perhaps that was understandable, but now that he's gone, gone, gone, it is time to move on to other topics.

Goldy's last word on the matter will be a lot of dead bodies ... hopefully few of the sane ones ... Beyond that I don't worry too much about it ... dead fanatics, dead street gangsters, but please Lord have mercy on the innocent ones.

[Aragorn]

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[Dreamtimer]

:amen:

[Chris]

This should be a good one. New revelations from the former head of AATIP, Luis Elizondo and finally, we have a proper Physicist interviewing him, asking some of the most relevant questions so far.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAmFlLfsZKM&ab_channel=TheoriesofEverythingwithCurtJaimungal

[Wind]

I'm smelling some fishy CIA agenda here really... :hmm:

[Chris]

I'm smelling some fishy CIA agenda here really... :hmm:

The only agenda I see is still about trying to cover up or at least slow down disclosure as much as possible. They tried to discredit Elizondo and have deleted the best quality and high-def UAP videos and photos from his shared server. The three videos we do have are actually the bottom of the barrel, the least compelling of all the evidence the pentagon could release, but chooses not to.

There were some very important takeaways from this video.

The Pentagon groups UAPs into three main groups, based on size and shape.

- Saucer-shaped craft are usually the smallest and the most mobile, they are like the sports cars of UAPs, though some of them can be quite large as well. Most though are only about the size of a passenger car.
- Tic-Tac shaped UAPs are about the size of a school bus
- Triangular or Boomerang-shaped UAPs are the largest and they also seem to have multiple light sources on their bottoms, which may be a propulsion effect.

Elizondo also made it clear, that these are definitely not US craft and very, very unlikely to be from another earth power.

[Chris]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15367584/pentagon-black-triangle-ufo-photo-fighter-pilot/

Hunt for Pentagon’s infamous ‘Black Triangle’ UFO photo after fighter pilot ‘snapped mystery craft rising out of ocean’

THE PENTAGON allegedly has in its possession an incredible clear photo of a "Black Triangle" UFO spectacularly rising out of the ocean.

Ever since the photo's alleged existence was first reported in late 2020, UFO enthusiasts have been begging for its release.

It is thought to be one of the most compelling UFO sightings ever captured on camera as it was reportedly snapped by a US Navy pilot flying an F/A-18F Super Hornet.

The photo's existence has never been officially confirmed - but many swear it exists as the have had as much confirmed by government insiders.

The Sun Online understands the photo is highly classified as it was captured using military equipment on board the fighter plane.

For many UFO sleuths it has become one of the Holy Grails - a picture that would leave no doubt in the minds of sceptics about the reality of the mysterious phenomena.

Pentagon officials reportedly have the "extremely clear" photo in their possession as it was reportedly circulated last year in an intelligence report by the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) Task Force.

It was allegedly taken by a pilot in 2019 who spotted the craft as it emerged from the ocean and began to rise straight upwards, first reported The Debrief.

The object was described as a large triangle with "blunted" edges and spherical white "lights" on each corner - and the encounter is said to have occurred off the East Coast of the US.

Pilots who encountered the object are believed to have been operating from either the USS Dwight D. Eisenhower or the USS John C. Stennis.

Both of which are Nimitz-class nuclear-powered supercarriers - further deepening the apparent links between UFOs and man's nuclear capabilities.

Tom Rogan, the national security writer for the Washington Examiner, backed the existence of the stunning photo after verifying it with his sources.

He told The Sun Online: "It’s the tip of the iceberg. But we will see more leaks of UAP imagery and data in the coming years.

"The Pentagon should get ahead of the curve and officially release more material."

The file containing the photo was reportedly circulated on NSANet - the US National Security Agency's official intranet - to which Britain and other Five Eyes intelligence alliance nations are believed to have access.

What are the 'Black Triangles'?

As their name suggests, the objects appear floating in the sky as dark triangular shapes often peppered with lights.

Some of the triangles have been described as up to 120 metres long and they appear to move noiselessly without any contrails.

The triangles are part of a host of weird and wonderful UFO shapes - going from saucers, to spheres, to the infamous "Tic Tacs".

David Marler, UFO researcher and author of Triangular UFOs: An Estimate of the Situation, told the HISTORY he has up to 17,000 cases files on the phenomena.

He suggested the slow movement of the shapes could suggest "surveillance" or perhaps even scanning the landscape.

And in one of the most stunning encounters, it is reported in March 1990 two F-16 fighter jets in Belgium encountered a "Black Triangle".

It was said the shape accelerated away at 1,120mph within seconds - a manoeuvre that "exceeded the limits of conventional aviation", according to the air force.

British military UFO investigation Project Condign - which ran from 1997 to 2000 - makes mention of the shapes, but dismisses them as similar phenomena to ball lightning.

But if the existence of the Pentagon photo and the accounts of the 2019 East Coast encounter are true - it seems there is more to the triangles than a bizarre atmospheric disturbance.

Some have also speculated sightings of "Black Triangles" could be mis-identification for military aircraft using the flying wing design - such as Lockheed F-117 Nighthawk or B-2 Spirit.

Or the sightings could perhaps be more speculative and experimental craft, such as the rumoured TR-3A Black Manta or the Aurora.

Once again however - this does not explain the potential sighting in the Atlantic allegedly photographed by the US Navy pilot in 2019.

So-called "Black Triangle" sightings have been recorded for decades - including by the military - but often have been dismissed as secret aircraft or atmospheric anomalies.

And this alleged sighting and photo further raises questions over the links between UFOs and the ocean, with the Pentagon said to be probing the "transmedium" element of the phenomena.

"Transmedium" is the apparent ability of some UAPs to transit seamlessly between the air and the ocean.

Some have speculated UFOs may actually come from beneath the ocean - and numerous videos show the unusual ways they interact with the water.

Reports of incredible images being circulated in classified government documents just add the intrigue surrounding the upcoming UAP Task Force report which was ordered by US lawmakers.

The unprecedented dossier's deadline is now just days away, and it is reportedly set to not rule out an alien origin for UFOs.

Dismissed as a conspiracy theory for decades, former US defence officials, sitting politicians, and former presidents Barack Obama and Bill Clinton have all acknowledged there is something unusual going on in our skies.

Luis Elizondo, who headed up the secretive Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP) for the Pentagon, was recently also recently quizzed on the photo.

The intelligence officer resigned his post as he sought to bring the discussion about the UFOs into the mainstream, describing them as a "national security issue".

Quizzed on the Disclosure Team channel on YouTube bout whether he had seen the infamous image, Mr Elizondo replied: "I can't discuss that."

He added with a smile: "Great question".

The insider's decision to neither confirm or deny the existence of the photo has only fuelled the enthusiasm and speculation surrounding the alleged picture.

HIGHLY CLASSIFIED
Andy McGrillen, from UAP Media UK, a team set up to campaign for a more open and serious discussions on UFOs in Britain, told The Sun Online: "The much talked about Black Triangle picture is one that has had much of the community excited for some time.

"Recently I have been informed that the photo is of a craft that was initially tracked underwater then emerged, climbing to an altitude of 35-40,000 feet when an aircraft’s onboard systems took a high fidelity image.

"The triangular object was reported as having rounded edges, with lights on each of its corners. There were no obvious signs of propulsion.

"Something like this will surely be highly classified given the nature of the equipment taking the picture.

"However, if it did make its way into the public domain it could be a key piece of evidence, demonstrating that we are truly in the presence of some other intelligence."

What is going on with UFOs in the US?

UFOS have stepped from fringe conspiracy theories to a genuine national security debate in the US.

Pentagon officials last year took the unprecedented step to confirm a trio of remarkable videos which showed US encounters with UFOs.

The debate is still open as to what the phenomena caught on film were – but it made clear to everyone, something is in the skies.

Perhaps the most striking was a video known as the “Tic Tac” – which showed an unidentified object being pursued by fighter planes.

The US also confirmed the existence of the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP) – a Pentagon programme set up to study UFOs before being disbanded in 2017.

However, it was replaced by the UAP Task Force in June 2020 after a vote by the US Senate Intelligence Committee.

Defence chiefs have since confirmed a number of leaked UFO videos and photos which were submitted to the Task Force for investigation.

Why this sudden rush for transparency?

No outside the secretive wings of the US government currently knows for sure.

And as a tacked on addendum to a 5,500 page Covid relief bill passed in December, the the Director of National Intelligence’s office was ordered to compile a report on UFOs within 180 days.

Former intelligence director John Ratcliffe has hinted the report will be a big deal – and we now just over a month away from its release.

The five month deadline elapses on in June, with some UFO lobbyists claiming it could be the “most profound moment in human history".

US intelligence services officially closed the book on the UFO phenomena in 1969 at the conclusion Project Blue Book - which stated there was nothing to see.

However, in the last three years there has been an abrupt turnaround as the Pentagon took the unprecedented step of confirming three stunning leaked UFO videos filmed by the US Navy.

And the UFO report - which was commissioned by Congress - is being compiled by the UAP Task Force, who were given a 180 day deadline in December which is due to expire tomorrow.

Competing theories on the strange videos continue to rage – with some grounded on Earth claiming the videos capture never-before-seen military aircraft or drones, while others claim it shows otherworldly craft possibly piloted by aliens.

Others however are more sceptical and sometimes even dismissive, claiming the bizarre videos may just be camera tricks, natural phenomena or even outright hoaxes.

Leaked videos continue to emerge its been reported the UAP Task Force are investigating over 100 encounters between the military and the unidentified objects.

Emerging details on the report state that it does not confirm or rule out an alien origin for the phenomena - but US lawmakers have been talking up the issue following a classified briefing last week.

The Sun Online also spoke to Tobias Ellwood MP, who suggested UFOs could be advanced drones and called on the UK to stage a similar probe to the US.

Obama says new religions could spring up and US may spend more on weapons if UFO report confirms alien life

[Emil El Zapato]

I watched Jabumongal last night. Elizondo strongly implied that 'they' and he knows more than he is disclosing but he added 'be prepared for some action'. He noted that the UAP's are 'suggesting' they want to 'talk'. But damn, how long are they going to wait for an intelligent response. Maybe time is not a critical factor for them?

[Chris]

Jeremy Corbell releases another bombshell video, this time showing a UFO swarm, recorded from a US Navy Ship in 2019. These are spherical Transmedium craft, that operate in both air and water.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAlY8jteU_E

EXCLUSIVE : Full story at https://www.ExtraordinaryBeliefs.com • In 2019 U.S. Navy warships were swarmed by UFOs. Over the past months, I’ve provided a large amount of cumulative and corroborate visual data to support this fact. What I’m providing today is video footage - captured from THE DECK of the USS Omaha - by the on-board “VIPER” TEAM (Visual Intelligence Personnel) on July 15th 2019 - in a restricted warning area off San Diego.

This footage represents an additional type of visual data collection - corroborative visual evidence - depicting a UFO event series that reached a crescendo with at least one of the unknown targets entering the water. No wreckage found. None of the unknown craft were recovered - despite a tasked search by at least one of our U.S. Navy submarines.

I will let you determine the significance of this footage for yourself - yet I will highlight a few key aspects of this military UFO encounter - for your consideration.

This footage illustrates that the UFOs surrounding our warships had lights (as previously reported) - that they were self-luminous and appeared to be unconcerned by the presence of our tactical Navy warships.

These UFOs were NOT inconspicuous… they were brazen; boldly buzzing our warships. To many involved, it stands to reason that the UFOs (their operators) WANTED to be seen and recorded. What that suggests, I could only speculate… however, these objects have been conclusively determined by our Department of Defense to NOT be ours. These craft are NOT owned or operated by the United States or our allied entities. So the question lingers… who is operating these high-performance vehicles? What is their intent?

To date, my mentor in journalism George Knapp and I have released the following… Night Vision video, FLIR thermal video, still images, government intelligence briefing documents - as well as - video RADAR data. This type and magnitude of cross-platform information verification is both unique and rare in the pursuit of the UFO mystery.

This video footage is yet ANOTHER distinct type of visual data related to these Pentagon confirmed events; making this military event series one of the best sensor data documented UFO cases of all time. There certainly will be more coming your way about it. I personally have collected witness testimony - as well as - even more visual documentation. And as always - after I complete the vetting process - I will release everything once it meets my standards of validation.

LOCATION
32°29'21.9”N 119°21'53.0”W

DATE / TIME
July 15th 2019 between the hours of 9-11pm PST

DETAILS
* Minimum 14 targets.
* Minimum 6ft in diameter - solid mass.
* Varying speeds from 40 kts - 138 kts (46 mph - 158 mph).
* Flight lasting longer than an hour.
* Unknowns were self-illuminated.
* Launch or landing points were unable to be determined.
* Unknown vehicles picked up on more than two types of RADAR.
* Still images of this footage were included in the May 1st, 2020 UAPTF intelligence briefing.
* It is noted in intelligence reports that the “spherical” craft appeared to be transmedium capable, and were observed descending into the water without destruction.
* It is noted in intelligence reports that the “spherical” craft could not be found upon entry to the water - that a submarine was used in the search - and recovered nothing.
* This footage is unclassified.
* Craft remain unidentified.

SUMMARY
What’s presented here is genuine UFO / UAP footage - evidence - with impressive provenance. This is video captured by our US Military (VIPER Team) - during a significant UAP encounter. Incursions - by seemingly Advanced Transmedium Vehicles of unknown origin - interacting and observing our Navy’s warships and fleet deployments in a restricted airspace. The evidence here must be differentiated from other UAP documentation - due to the context of capture alone. Collectively, this data drop represents a small section within a large mosaic of UAP awareness by our DoD.

It is my hope that these materials will be representative of a unique moment in modern history; a possible turning point towards the rational and transparent approach of investigating and exploring the mystery of the UFO Phenomenon. So here is an opportunity for anyone - and everyone - to go ahead and seek out the information for yourselves. We do not know what, if anything, the Navy or Pentagon might be willing to say about the USS Omaha incident (and related UAP encounters), but we are confident the incident is a legitimate mystery - and look forward to whatever information might be forthcoming.

Weaponize Your Curiosity,

Jeremy Kenyon Lockyer Corbell (aka 4Name)

[Chris]

Another epic interview by Curt Jaimungal, this time, it's Richard Dolan's turn. Such a wealth of information in there.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDZEb-GKAJ4&ab_channel=TheoriesofEverythingwithCurtJaimungal