Mental Illness and a Plethora of Annoying Comments [Archive]

Wind

19th May 2021, 14:30

Part 1: A very good therapist and an interesting patient:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpMHl4Hby0I

There's so much I could say about this as unfortunately I have the experience and the scars on my soul to prove it. It takes a long, long time to recover from such an experience with someone who has BPD. It's such a devastating condition, basically people with BPD are radioactive. If you get too close, your soul will get radiation sickness and maybe you won't die, but perhaps the outcome will be even worse. On the outside such people can be so sweet and caring, intelligent, funny... But intimate relationships triggers their condition. The partner, friend, children become the outlet for their emotional problems and boy do they have those.

The external object meaning the family member is "expected" to regulate their emotions, which of course is impossible and once they're no longer idealized they can become the devil due to splitting. Also people with BPD are not truly capable of loving anyone, nor trusting or respecting because they don't have a sense of self until they've found it again through therapy and chances are very low that people with BPD ever get into therapy. Also they do see other people as objects which honestly is quite frightening, it has something to do with lowered empathy. They do have empathy, but they are not really able to put themselves into the other person's shoes. Their own needs and emotions override everything, they have endless needs and they're never met. There is no compassion to be found in them.

Unless they've been in therapy long enough and even then BPD is not exactly cured because it's who they are, they just can get more self-aware and won't be so impulsive and destructive. As it is Cluster B personality disorder it's not too far away from narcissistic personality disorder. Both conditions are extremely devastating, but narcs are just literally demons from hell. There's no hope for them. Although with borderlines I could say that their soul origin is not human either to put it mildly, I've seen that there are forces taking control over the person with no self, and those forces are not good. I've seen it in the eyes, the blackness and it is one of the most terrifying things I've ever seen. Narcissistic/borderline rage is horrifying, it makes you even fear for your life.

Lord Sidious

19th May 2021, 14:45

Sometimes I worry that I'll develop some syndrome after watching these types of things.

Like someone going on WebMD and deciding they're for sure dying of some exotic disease...

Good news for ya nugg.
You can't go nuts twice..................

Emil El Zapato

19th May 2021, 14:51

Good news for ya nugg.
You can't go nuts twice..................

Now that's funny, I used to wish I would go crazy so I would get it over with ...

Aragorn

19th May 2021, 14:51

Their own needs and emotions override everything, the have endless needs and they're never met.

This is true. And they have no qualm resorting to lies and emotional manipulation in order to get their needs met.

There is no compassion to be found in them.

This is not true. I've got someone with BPD in my life for about 19 years now, of which we were very close friends for about 10 years, and we're still friends today, albeit not closely anymore. They most certainly do feel compassion and they certainly can feel remorse, but compared to other people, it does take much more to trigger those responses within them, such as being brutally confronted with the consequences of their actions.

Dreamtimer

19th May 2021, 15:24

Good news for ya nugg.
You can't go nuts twice..................

You are so right. What a tremendous relief! :chrs::ok:

Wind

19th May 2021, 15:31

This is not true. I've got someone with BPD in my life for about 19 years now, of which we were very close friends for about 10 years, and we're still friends today, albeit not closely anymore. They most certainly do feel compassion and they certainly can feel remorse, but compared to other people, it does take much more to trigger those responses within them, such as being brutally confronted with the consequences of their actions.

I would not really agree, but your mileage may vary. They seem to deflect any responsibility for their actions and I've not seen any true remorse, many people say the same thing. It's more like they might momentarily feel sorry for behaving awfully, but they're not that sorry about you getting hurt. It's about them always. Where is the compassion when they treat people like crap?

Aragorn

19th May 2021, 15:36

Wind

19th May 2021, 15:44

What you have to keep in mind is that when their BPD kicks in, they enter a state of psychosis, and as such, their experience of reality becomes heavily distorted. It's not a permanent state of mind, but rather something that comes and goes.

It's like a flip of a switch and it can happen any time, there's no stability.

Malisa

20th May 2021, 09:11

There's so much I could say about this as unfortunately I have the experience and the scars on my soul to prove it. It takes a long, long time to recover from such an experience with someone who has BPD. It's such a devastating condition, basically people with BPD are radioactive. If you get too close, your soul will get radiation sickness and maybe you won't die, but perhaps the outcome will be even worse. On the outside such people can be so sweet and caring, intelligent, funny... But intimate relationships triggers their condition. The partner, friend, children become the outlet for their emotional problems and boy do they have those.

The external object meaning the family member is "expected" to regulate their emotions, which of course is impossible and once they're no longer idealized they can become the devil due to splitting. Also people with BPD are not truly capable of loving anyone, nor trusting or respecting because they don't have a sense of self until they've found it again through therapy and chances are very low that people with BPD ever get into therapy. Also they do see other people as objects which honestly is quite frightening, it has something to do with lowered empathy. They do have empathy, but they are not really able to put themselves into the other person's shoes. Their own needs and emotions override everything, the have endless needs and they're never met. There is no compassion to be found in them.

Unless they've been in therapy long enough and even then BPD is not exactly cured because it's who they are, they just can get more self-aware and won't be so impulsive and destructive. As it is Cluster B personality disorder it's not too far away from narcissistic personality disorder. Both conditions are extremely devastating, but narcs are just literally demons from hell. There's no hope for them. Although with borderlines I could say that their soul origin is not human either to put it mildly, I've seen that there are forces taking control over the person with no self, and those forces are not good. I've seen it in the eyes, the blackness and it is one of the most terrifying things I've ever seen. Narcissistic/borderline rage is horrifying, it makes you even fear for your life.

This sounds all very familiar to me, i have met a few people like that

When i first moved to Mexico around 5 years ago, i was hosted by a friend for around a year and a half, she was a bit crazy but in the fun way, until it wasn't. She started doing weird stuff, like demanding too much attention from me, constantly being angry one hour and next hour perfectly happy, loving me to no end and treating me like her sister, then at night she would go ballistic over any simple thing, like me forgetting to wash the dishes or stuff like that, then one day we were asleep and she somehow woke up and started screaming that she could not invite anyone because i was living there, and she went all crazy, then next hour she was crying asking me for forgiveness and to please not leave and that everything would be normal and stuff. It never happened, things continued to happen until i moved away to my own apartment around a month or so later, i truly believed she could kill me on my sleep on one of those crazy moments

Also she was extremely demanding, way more than me, in that everything had to be perfect, she did not display emotions otherwise if something wasn't 'perfect', but it would come up later on after a few weeks, like she would never forget about the issue, as ridiculous as it may have been

I think one of the problems was that we got too close, and she started considering me as family, so she kind of let the front go away and showed her true self, down to the very core instincts and feelings

One day i went to get water around 3 am, to the kitchen on the first floor, and when i was going up she was standing on the stairs, i got scared because it was like seeing a ghost lol, just standing there on the shadows at the very top of the stairs, then she did not say anything and went back to bed... Was she checking i wasn't going to run away at midnight?

There are way too many other things but it kind of progressed slowly towards that crazy environment, at first it was all just normal and perfect happiness, but then it was all about her needs and anything that was wrong, it was about how it affected her and that was it, no care for anything or anyone else

Wind

20th May 2021, 09:20

I know what I've seen and some things you will never forget. Demonic possession, that's all I'm going to say.

Emil El Zapato

20th May 2021, 10:25

I had a gps that I couldn't get to work and it pissed me off so bad, I got a hammer and my daughter and I went outside and we smashed it to pieces. :) It was fun!

Another very good therapist:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1bDKTPULLU&t=32s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztRKZVrPTN8

Emil El Zapato

21st May 2021, 13:37

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzkeXw5F01s

Emil El Zapato

21st May 2021, 13:47

I understand this person: Someone looking for something they think they deserve but never acquiring it, instead to her, what she has experienced is a neverending barrage of abuse. The inevitable result is what she presents in this rather stupid video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLfgNnGrkQU&t=268s

Wind

21st May 2021, 14:13

She has dead eyes unless those are contacts. A deadly chipmunk.

Dreamtimer

21st May 2021, 14:22

Her eyes were weirding me out, too. I suspect they're contacts.

Emil El Zapato

21st May 2021, 18:33

Her eyes were weirding me out, too. I suspect they're contacts.

Updated statistic: With psychopaths and sociopaths taken together they comprise 4% of the population. Consider that: 1 in 25 people... Buyer Beware!

Dreamtimer

21st May 2021, 18:42

That was the population remaining in Beau's analysis who would die on their mountain rather than surrender their arsenals. And I do mean arsenals.

Emil El Zapato

2nd October 2021, 23:39

This is riveting ... seems dumb but they go deeper. It gets to the deeper psychological aspects of this character. Definitely not political.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aSN1cPJ9FM

Wind

16th February 2023, 04:55

Interview with a narcissistic psychopath H.G. Tudor. Rumours say he's just an american faking the accent.

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Diabolical Boids

16th February 2023, 11:24

I know what I've seen and some things you will never forget. Demonic possession, that's all I'm going to say.

I'm with you on that one. I know what I have seen. There's a clear distinction between people with trauma and minor dysfunctions or emotional injuries who stray into acting out some of these behaviors in a superficial way and the people referred to here where the possession goes to the bone. I think they are more numerous than stated because if they are that observable and you end up seeing stuff you will never forget all the time, and you see it all over....? I'm seeing it all the time. I know other people who have seen it like its expressed through some central evil hive mind. In politics especially. In droves. It's not a like a day can go by that I don't see it. And those eyes. Either empty, soulless or too active like their very eyeballs are possessed and the orbs are resisting the invasion. I've read the Type B people have those eyes where the whites are always showing.

I have squads of family members who exhibit this illness. They end up getting treated for addiction but nothing else and the addiction treatment always fails. Fortunately most live far away. They are not ordinary addicts, all them are somehow wealthy, with all the accoutrements of wealth.

Recently a couple of them moved closer, and I got a close hand look that everyone you thought you know about them was a projection of a self-image, how they see themselves. The reality was way different. Two of them married to each other makes for an interesting dynamic as they prop up each other's lack of accountability and denial. Weirdly both of them have this trait of destroying other people's belongings or trying to either take credit for their success or otherwise just hating on others because they have something that can't be taken. Like accomplishment or intellectual property. She's always trying to get you to do something she can take credit for. Even impossible shit. Make a documentary or write a best selling book and put her name on it. Why? WTF? Who asks for stuff like that?

She is barely present. She craves constant attention and validation that she is Queen Bee but she's barely there most of the time, like she's lost in a daydream. So really that makes it difficult to pay any attention to her. And she doesn't want attention, she wants flattery. Until the rage demon comes out. Then she's very present. That look in her eye and the capacity she has for evil, from killing animals to nearly killing her own offspring. Unimaginable. Way different than people who just shine for attention, she's a feeder. Lots of paranormal activity in their house and not the interesting kind. More like what might be portrayed in a horror movie. They don't think it's the least bit unusual.

Emil El Zapato

16th February 2023, 12:21

Interview with a narcissistic psychopath H.G. Tudor. Rumours say he's just an american faking the accent.

Hey Wind, I don't know who this guy but I'm having trouble buying into his story. He's either entertaining or a very extreme case. It is interesting and he has made some really sharp statements and observations.

The psychopathic physiology is very low-key, but family connections are genetic and subconsciously driven, if he isn't actively hostile to his brother, the mental calculation would always impel him to act on his behalf. At the genetic level, there is always an instinctive drive for survival which would include close family members. Serious trauma would otherwise result....but then serious trauma is one of the underpinnings of psychopathy. Hmm, that's a conundrum.

I've got to get to work... :)

Diabolical Boids

16th February 2023, 13:08

I know what I've seen and some things you will never forget. Demonic possession, that's all I'm going to say.

I'm with you on that one. I could tell you some stories but likely you've already observed them for yourselves, and I'd agree. Possession. I see it every day especially in politics. It's beyond the usual hurts, traumas and ordinary dysfunctions of people. It's shit that goes to the bone, into the soul and out the spirit. But I can say the same thing. I have some seen some things and I know what I know. Cause I have seen it enough to know what it is when I see it.

Diabolical Boids

16th February 2023, 13:44

This is riveting ... seems dumb but they go deeper. It gets to the deeper psychological aspects of this character. Definitely not political.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aSN1cPJ9FM

I haven't finished watching this but the thing that strikes me thus far is the title. Jimmy isn't dysfunctional he's a Trumpist. Likely he was dysfunctional, but I've seen worse, well before Trump came along. Yet that is supposed to provoke a prejudicial and even anti racial reaction in me. Then it goes on to describe a scenario of racist, homophobic etc. All of this is to prejudice my view of the matter and establish Jimmy's character in advance. It tells me the narrator doesn't trust me to make a determination (no no I'm too stupid to do that) by observing Jimmy on my own, he has to color the situation to get me to think in a way that best serves his agenda. That my friends is simple politics. And it tells me a lot about the narrator's character. Jimmy knows his character; he just doesn't know how to address it besides getting angry.

Even the psychiatrist touched on this. I'm supposed to think that Jimmy attacked vulnerable youth based on prejudice and racism.

Then Jimmy's version of events. THEN it comes out that there was trespass and theft that provoked Jimmy. Coming back to taunt is also provocation. So the men in question were not oppressed black youth, innocent of wrongdoing. They provoked a situation then that situation escalated. They were adults not children. And it happened in an area of the US that has been under a great deal of scrutiny recently because of its escalating crime rates. It's a democratic run area, crime is not dealt with, its excused thus the escalation. Yet it's all Republican's fault even though they have no power there.

Jimmy for his part forgot conservative values and only remembered certain ones. He has every right to sit on his own property drunk. He has every right to have a weapon on his own property. He has every right to sit in a lawn chair drunk and level a weapon at anyone who trespasses and tries to steal his property. He forgot that he should not, in his best interests leave his private property and go abroad drunk with a weapon. He forgot the principles of self-defense very badly. You wait til you are physically threatened. Name calling isn't something you can defend yourself from, unless its with more words. It's not a physical threat. What is imbalanced here is that the ones who committed the theft on can may racial slurs and that's okay. But Jimmy can't. That is just a fact in America today. Suck it up or let it suck you in. Get smart, not stupid.

But we also have to remember the days of sticks and stones is way past us now. All words are weaponized.

He turned from the victim into a perpetrator (Victim/ abuse cycle?) He doesn't have that right. With a weapon. But I don't think his response is all that crazy or even unusual regardless of political preference, it's just imprudent and rash.

Trump sign stealing to provoke Trump supporters is not in the least unusual. It's not a hot topic. Once burned they learn to secure their property if they are smart. They leave prongs in the yard so if someone wants to rundown their signage, the perpetrators car will be disabled. They imbed signs in concrete, or electrify them, or put a camera on them. They have to defend their right to free speech. Then suddenly the sign stealers claim they are victims, they are not automatically entitled to trespass and steal--there's suddenly consequences to it. Because they fail to remember but they have the homeowners have the right to do that on their property. The smart way to do things.

But having signage out can provoke a reaction in poorly developed people who think they have the right to destroy property because it bothers them. They don't. But they will anyway. The law isn't going to stop them. You have to. Basic American value. So its a lesson in protecting your privacy as well. Waive your right to privacy at your own risk and be ready to secure your rights because people aren't just going to respect them. Everyone will take any opportunity to attack and discriminate based on their personal biases. That's just human nature.

Pretty interesting, continuing to watch now. I'm sort of looking at this as dysfunction meets dysfunction and they want to argue who is more dysfunctional. Not a political divide, its a psychological divide.

Emil El Zapato

16th February 2023, 15:56

I haven't finished watching this but the thing that strikes me thus far is the title. Jimmy isn't dysfunctional he's a Trumpist. Likely he was dysfunctional, but I've seen worse, well before Trump came along. Yet that is supposed to provoke a prejudicial and even anti racial reaction in me. Then it goes on to describe a scenario of racist, homophobic etc. All of this is to prejudice my view of the matter and establish Jimmy's character in advance. It tells me the narrator doesn't trust me to make a determination (no no I'm too stupid to do that) by observing Jimmy on my own, he has to color the situation to get me to think in a way that best serves his agenda. That my friends is simple politics. And it tells me a lot about the narrator's character. Jimmy knows his character; he just doesn't know how to address it besides getting angry.

Keep watching...I think I mentioned that this is riveting. Incidentally, a racist is a racist, if not the indictment should fall on deaf ears. And with this guy, I think it does in the end.

"Pretty interesting, continuing to watch now. I'm sort of looking at this as dysfunction meets dysfunction and they want to argue who is more dysfunctional. Not a political divide, its a psychological divide." Exactly!

Diabolical Boids

16th February 2023, 17:05

This is riveting ... seems dumb but they go deeper. It gets to the deeper psychological aspects of this character. Definitely not political.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aSN1cPJ9FM

I finished watching. I agree with your evaluation. Some superficial shit that ends up going way deeper but I guess that's how the rabbit hole works. I do believe it is somewhat relative to politics because of certain tactics deployed by Pakman early on, but basically there's a huge psychological divide between Pakman and Jimmy. One's generational. Jimmy comes from a different age when everyone was less offended, less triggered, and people could make fun of themselves and each other. Today is the polar opposite. And sorry, at one time a man in a dress was actually hilarious. I have a squadron of male cousins that used to entertain us younger kids by putting dresses and nightgowns. Social engineering changed that. People didn't change. And people's evolution and inherent nature can't keep up with the ever evolving social engineering.

Their body language is very telling.

Pakman seems to be a product of social engineering and Jimmy is a product of his environment. Honestly, I liked him better as more emphatic person for his honesty. Not that he's perfect or not dysfunctional he's clearly in the know about stuff and at least he makes an attempt at authenticity.

Very enlightening. I'm going to keep digesting this. thanks.

Wind

17th February 2023, 01:33

I'm with you on that one. I know what I have seen. There's a clear distinction between people with trauma and minor dysfunctions or emotional injuries who stray into acting out some of these behaviors in a superficial way and the people referred to here where the possession goes to the bone.

I think they are more numerous than stated because if they are that observable and you end up seeing stuff you will never forget all the time, and you see it all over....? I'm seeing it all the time. I know other people who have seen it like its expressed through some central evil hive mind.

You've seen it too. I have come to believe that demonic possession is indeed real and it shows up with certain disordered personalities, as that's how they are categorized in our culture. Especially the Cluster B-group.

I am aware of that hive mind thing which seems to be an AI, I saw and felt it's energy. I got the impression that it is intelligence coming from one single point and it's very machine-like, it has lots of people in it's control. There's a reptilian energy to these entities, I know this might sound nuts, but I can only say what I've seen and experienced. Many people have confirmed this and the parasitical beings often for some reasons seem to have a serpentine shape at least in the astral realm and other dimensions of the spirit. That doesn't mean that in general lizards or something like that would be bad because all of us humans have the "lizard" brain too. I've encountered many kind of positive and negative entities, but the worst ones are the demonic ones. It was just surprising to me to see that some people are quite strongly controlled by them and sometimes influenced.

"And so the gods will depart from mankind, a grievous thing!, and only evil angels will remain, who will mingle with men, and drive the poor wretches by main force into all manner of reckless crime, into wars, and robberies, and frauds, and all things hostile to the nature of the soul." ~ The Lament of Hermes

Then there are naturally people who are guided more by angelic forces or forces which are far more divine. They might be even angelic entities themselves in human form. Never judge a book by it's appeareance.

In politics especially. In droves. It's not a like a day can go by that I don't see it. And those eyes. Either empty, soulless or too active like their very eyeballs are possessed and the orbs are resisting the invasion. I've read the Type B people have those eyes where the whites are always showing.

It's the black eyes which show up in narcissistic rage. When it comes to politics though, I think you have to be careful with that in order not to dehumanize another group of people. Even if some people might be very sick mentally, they're still people too. Only their actions really define them and most people would just need treatment of various kind, which obviously they're not getting and won't be getting. It's very easy especially for politicians to find scapegoats in groups of people and start to blame them for all of the problems.

Jung believed that during Hitler's time Germany was under mass psychosis and the leader had hypnotized the people into a certain kind of trance state. Although some highly wise mystics such as Paul Brunton and others said that the nazis and Hitler were just a tool for demonic forces to operate through people and they were committing all kinds of terrors that way. I don't actually doubt that for a second anymore. It explains a lot.

She is barely present. She craves constant attention and validation that she is Queen Bee but she's barely there most of the time, like she's lost in a daydream. So really that makes it difficult to pay any attention to her. And she doesn't want attention, she wants flattery. Until the rage demon comes out. Then she's very present. That look in her eye and the capacity she has for evil, from killing animals to nearly killing her own offspring. Unimaginable. Way different than people who just shine for attention, she's a feeder. Lots of paranormal activity in their house and not the interesting kind. More like what might be portrayed in a horror movie. They don't think it's the least bit unusual.

You might not like this, but Trump is a textbook malignant narcissist. He might not be a psychopath like Hillary Clinton is, but he is still a narcissist and he evoked a collective psychosis in America, they country still hasn't recovered from that nor has the alternative community either. I think Elon Musk is a narcissist too. They can't stand criticism and they have very fragile egos. It's all about them and they don't have empathy for others. They need adoration and praise. It all comes from childhood. I think such people are very pathetic.

They view others only as objects and props to be used. They don't actually see separation between themselves and others, because depending on their grandiosity they just have an inflated false sense of self and everything revolves around it. They don't have the slightest clue about love and they don't certainly love their own family members either. They're energy vampires draining others from their precious life force, Ki or Qi energy.

Hey Wind, I don't know who this guy but I'm having trouble buying into his story. He's either entertaining or a very extreme case. It is interesting and he has made some really sharp statements and observations.

He refers to himself as ultra or extreme narc. He could have lied about some things or embellished some facts in a typical narc fashion, but if you go read Quora (https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-true-identity-of-HG-Tudor-and-what-he-does-for-a-living-besides-writing-books) then there's allegedly his ex and she confirmed that he is indeed a psychopath and NPD. Narcissists always seem to be behaving like parasites and energy vampires.

"H.G Tudor is a highly intelligent, overweight, out-of-shape, short, blond, aging, addict, who lives in his mother's house, and writes for several different online blogs and websites to earn money. He pays no bills, so all his money goes for women, porn and drugs, and whatever he needs to purchase to secure his next victim. It could be anything from a ring to a guitar to a spare tire. He occasionally buys something for the household so his family doesn’t start to nag at him and his narcissistic mother can feel in control of “her” house."

Diabolical Boids

17th February 2023, 15:01

Keep watching...I think I mentioned that this is riveting. Incidentally, a racist is a racist, if not the indictment should fall on deaf ears. And with this guy, I think it does in the end.

"Pretty interesting, continuing to watch now. I'm sort of looking at this as dysfunction meets dysfunction and they want to argue who is more dysfunctional. Not a political divide, its a psychological divide." Exactly!

I guess it depends on how you mean by racist. I have to ask since everyone has such a varied view of it and it's been distorted by political and social justice in.

In the US politics (crazy) racist means everything but what it actually means. Racist is if I don't agree with certain views, usually the view of white leftists, not black people. I've never had a person of color say that I was racist. Just white people of a certain political persuasion. Same with transphobia and homophobia. Someone is automatically a racist if they aren't liberal. Butter is racist, roads are racist, if you hate your political opponents views about math, the economy, jobs they must be racist. Which trivializes actual racism. Which I guess just ties in with all the crazy. Renaming butter isn't going to help black communities. And its white leftists who do this shit, not black people. At least not very many of them.

Race used to mean your personal line of descent. Your family. Racism was that people had a beef against certainly families, like the contention between the Yorks and Lancasters. Then it was a termed to describe depriving people of certain protected rights based on their color. A legal issue not a social issue. Which is how I view it. Using the term racist to cover everything has completely obliterated the term 'prejudice.

I guess the same can be said of transphobia and homophobia.

So so crazy.

Emil El Zapato

17th February 2023, 15:23

I guess it depends on how you mean by racist.

yeah, probably true, but if you know the definition why let all the babble confuse the issue and just confront it as it actually exists? One thing to not conflate is the difference between racism and ethnic hatred which is socially ubiquitous. It's barbaric and a social consciousness dive into what should be forgotten social eras. We should move forward. Myself, I've never had a reason to hold diversity in contempt even when it hurt me personally. I always think that the easiest thing to pass on to those less fortunate in whatever form the need presents itself is spiritual generosity. But how many are not willing to give even the equivalent of nothing? Many!

Diabolical Boids

17th February 2023, 16:02

You've seen it too. I have come to believe that demonic possession is indeed real and it shows up with certain disordered personalities, as that's how they are categorized in our culture. Especially the Cluster B-group.

You see that cluster B group in politics a lot in the US. The black eyes or shark eyes. Always showing the whites of their eyes. it's not uncommon on the street level of existence either. I worked near a woman who had those dead soulless eyes. She presented as the nicest, most empathetic person, but some people just instinctively knew something was wrong with her. Interestingly enough even though those people never said or did anything to her, she made them a target of her malice. Like she knew they knew what she was about. Rather proving their point about her than disapproving it. All of those people who were her targets were in some way, woo woo people. We had a unusual amount of them in the dept I worked in then. Intuitive, psychic, etc. In the way they all gravitated to each other in some unknown way they somehow knew what she was about. What I found interesting is that corporate (more hive mind) always a way to protect this woman. Like it knew its own. People got hurt, injured, PTSD and had to quit for the sake of their physical and mental wellbeing. That was a tax credit company meaning they got about 30k a year in subsidies, by retaining people. None the less they lost hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of credit just to retain this one woman. It was like it was more important she was part of the hive, than a detriment to the company. Very weird and shows how deep this goes beyond what we think of our ordinary reality.

What was truly alarming is how she sucked others who were friends with the target into hive mind, so they turned hostile towards the targets they were previously friendly with. There's a psychological term for it. Crowd mobbing. It's just more hive mind though but easily witnessed on the material level.

I am aware of that hive mind thing which seems to be an AI, I saw and felt it's energy. I got the impression that it is intelligence coming from one single point and it's very machine-like, it has lots of people in it's control. There's a reptilian energy to these entities, I know this might sound nuts, but I can only say what I've seen and experienced. Many people have confirmed this and the parasitical beings often for some reasons seem to have a serpentine shape at least in the astral realm and other dimensions of the spirit. That doesn't mean that in general lizards or something like that would be bad because all of us humans have the "lizard" brain too. I've encountered many kind of positive and negative entities, but the worst ones are the demonic ones. It was just surprising to me to see that some people are quite strongly controlled by them and sometimes influenced.

It's not nuts I've observed the same thing myself. I know lots of people who have described the same thing. An entity pulling the strings of another appears as some reptilian form. IMO, not that it is an actual race of reptiles but the psyche arranging something immaterial to translate it into something that can be archetypically symbolically interpreted and understood as not good, cold, venomous, uncaring, shape shifting, parasitical, etc. I've noticed on a material level even physical illnesses almost always spring from parasitical influence or because of their influence. Actual parasites, opportunistic yeasts, and fungi. Once they take over systemically, people experience personality and mood changes, alteration in energy levels. They are taken over. In a sort of as it is above so it is below. And you can't heal from anything until the fungi is gone. They too present as something other than what they are--hormonal imbalances and cancer.

Jung believed that during Hitler's time Germany was under mass psychosis and the leader had hypnotized the people into a certain kind of trance state. Although some highly wise mystics such as Paul Brunton and others said that the nazis and Hitler were just a tool for demonic forces to operate through people and they were committing all kinds of terrors that way. I don't actually doubt that for a second anymore. It explains a lot.

Interestingly enough a similar term has spread throughout the US: Mass hypnosis transformation. Or something like that.

You might not like this, but Trump is a textbook malignant narcissist. He might not be a psychopath like Hillary Clinton is, but he is still a narcissist and he evoked a collective psychosis in America, they country still hasn't recovered from that nor has the alternative community either. I think Elon Musk is a narcissist too. They can't stand criticism and they have very fragile egos. It's all about them and they don't have empathy for others. They need adoration and praise. It all comes from childhood. I think such people are very pathetic.

All of them are narcs, the Bushes, the Clintons, Obama. And Biden. Some being worse than others. Trump's popularity stems not from the fact he's a narc, or that people venerate narcissism in general (actually I don't think most people know that much about it) its that's for once some of that inflated sense of self was directed into areas that the people of the nation actually got something out of it. Got a return on it. Like you indicated doing that was probably more about him, than anything else but America's economic state being what it was for so long I don't think people cared what motivated him. And, honestly, I don't think you can get into higher office at all without being a narcissist. It's not a job that spiritually oriented people want to embrace and it's all hive mind once you get past the core differences. If you are not in control of yourself, something will slip in to control you. And we know something is controlling those in office these days. Biden is an ideal candidate for possession since he's not in control of himself and even on the material level something else controls him.

The same applies to Trump. Having watched the man most of my adult life he always struck me as serious, grounded, not apt to be wounded by criticism. Politics did something to him. I don't think you can go there at all without getting sucked into the hive.

But now the hive influence has infected huge segments of the population.

Diabolical Boids

17th February 2023, 16:23

yeah, probably true, but if you know the definition why let all the babble confuse the issue and just confront it as it actually exists? One thing to not conflate is the difference between racism and ethnic hatred which is socially ubiquitous. It's barbaric and a social consciousness dive into what should be forgotten social eras. We should move forward. Myself, I've never had a reason to hold diversity in contempt even when it hurt me personally. I always think that the easiest thing to pass on to those less fortunate in whatever form the need presents itself is spiritual generosity. But how many are willing to give even the equivalent of nothing? Many!

Politics and media are not going to let us move forward unless there is some mass wake up call. If you reach out an olive branch someone is screaming cultural appropriation from the media, social, media or DC. If you don't and just live and let live you are uncaring and a hater. That's the hive mind at work. It doesn't matter what move you make, it wants to counter it into something bad because it has it's own agenda. It's something that has to be done quietly and out of the spotlight to where it affects what matters most, our fellow human beings, not satisfying some political demand.

It's something we have to do on our own initiative, individually. Racial hatred serves their purpose. The problem is we've granted the government free license to be arbitrators of morality. And of course they will twist it. But every failed government and nation has tried to force morality, their version of it into people. They think they can force people to be selfless and self sacrificing 24/7.

But politics and government always avoid the most treatable issue. When people of any color have job and wage security, are secure in their property, have full bellies, etc, they tend to play nicer with each other. We can fix that. The problem is they won't. They need to keep the ball up in the air but the rest of us don't.

Emil El Zapato

17th February 2023, 16:58

Politics and media are not going to let us move forward unless there is some mass wake up call. If you reach out an olive branch someone is screaming cultural appropriation from the media, social, media or DC. If you don't and just live and let live you are uncaring and a hater. That's the hive mind at work. It doesn't matter what move you make, it wants to counter it into something bad because it has it's own agenda. It's something that has to be done quietly and out of the spotlight to where it affects what matters most, our fellow human beings, not satisfying some political demand.

It's something we have to do on our own initiative, individually. Racial hatred serves their purpose. The problem is we've granted the government free license to be arbitrators of morality. And of course they will twist it. But every failed government and nation has tried to force morality, their version of it into people. They think they can force people to be selfless and self sacrificing 24/7.

But politics and government always avoid the most treatable issue. When people of any color have job and wage security, are secure in their property, have full bellies, etc, they tend to play nicer with each other. We can fix that. The problem is they won't. They need to keep the ball up in the air but the rest of us don't.

ok, let's say that is also true... but politics is politics and there are always reasons to either hate the other or just say "f*ck it". I'm convinced it is genetic and social awareness...genetics is the root cause as driving instinct and social conditioning (call it social engineering if that suits) does the rest. We can control that, in the form of social 'consciousness' raising which is what all the hubbub is about nowadays, it is a factor in allowing us to survive this far. By the time the current youngest generation comes fully into their own, the growing pains will be subsident and we will all live happily ever after. Not! Unfortunately, it ain't that easy.

Diabolical Boids

17th February 2023, 21:51

ok, let's say that is also true... but politics is politics and there are always reasons to either hate the other or just say "f*ck it". I'm convinced it is genetic and social awareness...genetics is the root cause as driving instinct and social conditioning (call it social engineering if that suits) does the rest. We can control that, in the form of social 'consciousness' raising which is what all the hubbub is about nowadays, it is a factor in allowing us to survive this far. By the time the current youngest generation comes fully into their own, the growing pains will be subsident and we will all live happily ever after. Not! Unfortunately, it ain't that easy.

Fortunately more and more black people are stepping in to speak out about manufactured racism for political leverage and identifying what racism really is because, you know, they are the one's experiencing it. Still they get assaulted too and called Uncle Tom by the very people who claim they are battling racism who do a 180 and start acting like racists themselves. They show their hand: It's okay that you are black as long as you are doing what we want you to do.

The same with the LGBTQ community and the transgender community. All these groups said "We as adults have to speak out against manufactured racism, trans and homophobia and alleged 'pro' groups targeting and predating on children. We've worked too hard and come too far to dissociate ourselves from the label of deviant, pervert and pedophile to have members of our own community start preying on children. Predatory manufactured transgenderism only serves Big Pharma and Big Medicine." Their words not mine.

The government overplayed its hand here promoting manufactured transgenderism, and racism. Frex: The manufactured trans people turned on the LGB people because they are "Cis" and so not really gay at all. This caused a schism right down the middle of the LGBTQ movement, because people resent being told what they are regardless of race or orientation.

Wind

17th February 2023, 23:20

Actual parasites, opportunistic yeasts, and fungi. Once they take over systemically, people experience personality and mood changes, alteration in energy levels. They are taken over. In a sort of as it is above so it is below. And you can't heal from anything until the fungi is gone. They too present as something other than what they are--hormonal imbalances and cancer.

You're right about that. Healthy gut flora and healthy bacteria really do make a difference. Our guts contain about 500 million neurons which are directly connected to our brains through our nervous system. So if we feed crap to our stomachs then that will naturally influence our brains and thought-processes too. I had to learn this the hard way. Chinese medicine has understood that the gut is our second brain for thousands of years and western science is only now coming to understand this very important fact. Food is medicine!

I've had gut problems nearly all of my life and IBS, I found out that behind it seems to be candida which is a parasite which I'm finally trying to get rid of. I don't want something like that affecting my mood or causing any other health problems either which it surely has. Like with every parasite, you have to starve them by not giving what they want and then consume what will finally repel them.

And, honestly, I don't think you can get into higher office at all without being a narcissist. It's not a job that spiritually oriented people want to embrace and it's all hive mind once you get past the core differences. If you are not in control of yourself, something will slip in to control you. And we know something is controlling those in office these days.

This is true generally sadly. Narcissists and psychopaths are known to rise up in positions of power such as becoming CEO's, leaders and presidents. That's because especially the corporate and political world is a dog eat world. You won't get anywhere there with soft and caring feminine energy, but only with cunning and ruthless tactics. Charisma helps too. I still believe that the writer of Dune Frank Herbert was correct when he said; "All governments suffer a recurring problem: Power attracts pathological personalities. It is not that power corrupts but that it is magnetic to the corruptible." Those kind of people should never have power over others. Lao Tzu said long ago;

"A leader is best when people barely know he exists, when his work is done, his aim fulfilled, they will say: we did it ourselves."

For this reason as the political system is as it is, candidates like Marianne Williamson nor Bernie Sanders will not have a chance in a billion years. Only the ones supported by the system will win and that includes Trump. He might have seemed like an outsider at first and his rhetoric about making America great "again" might seem appealing to many and people believe that he isn't in cahoots with the globalists, but in reality he truly only cares about himself. He wants to be seen as great and he wants America and Americans if not the whole world to worship him as Donald the Great. I don't care which president you have in power there, they're all more or less catastrophic clowns.

Emil El Zapato

18th February 2023, 12:04

Fortunately more and more black people are stepping in to speak out about manufactured racism for political leverage and identifying what racism really is because, you know, they are the one's experiencing it. Still they get assaulted too and called Uncle Tom by the very people who claim they are battling racism who do a 180 and start acting like racists themselves. They show their hand: It's okay that you are black as long as you are doing what we want you to do.

The same with the LGBTQ community and the transgender community. All these groups said "We as adults have to speak out against manufactured racism, trans and homophobia and alleged 'pro' groups targeting and predating on children. We've worked too hard and come too far to dissociate ourselves from the label of deviant, pervert and pedophile to have members of our own community start preying on children. Predatory manufactured transgenderism only serves Big Pharma and Big Medicine." Their words not mine.

The government overplayed its hand here promoting manufactured transgenderism, and racism. Frex: The manufactured trans people turned on the LGB people because they are "Cis" and so not really gay at all. This caused a schism right down the middle of the LGBTQ movement, because people resent being told what they are regardless of race or orientation.

Frankly, I don't believe the reality exists but surely it is a 'perception'. Your post requires a lot of background context to get to the root cause. Perceptions are as debilitating as propaganda. People with unclear ideas project their 'beliefs' onto others. Not really relevant but through DNA testing, I found a half-sister who is a psychologist specializing in transgender 'preparation' for sex change operations. She is given referrals to assess the individual's ability and readiness for a radical life-changing process. People don't do that because it is cool or because it is the prevailing social zeitgeist unless they are seriously disturbed. Those types are edge cases that fuel the perceptions.

Same with Uncle Toms, in many cases, they are Uncle Tom. Supreme Court Justice (Thom)as is an outstanding example. When he looks in the mirror in the morning he sees a white guy. Those types don't deserve a voice. It's all about the language used to state one's position. It is easy to sense benevolence or malevolence in the presentation of one's argument. Honesty, openness and willingness to trade ideas are admirable traits. To purposefully rub raw wounds is not. And this is the problem in my opinion, many just want to gain notoriety by working against a goal that has by its very nature a moral and admirable quality (some would love to call it a narrative but reality can be called a narrative only with great difficulty and duplicity).

Aragorn

18th February 2023, 14:39

Not really relevant but through DNA testing, I found a half-sister who is a psychologist specializing in transgender 'preparation' for sex change operations. She is given referrals to assess the individual's ability and readiness for a radical life-changing process. People don't do that because it is cool or because it is the prevailing social zeitgeist unless they are seriously disturbed.

I happen to "know" a couple of transgenders. Two of them are members at the Manjaro forum (http://forum.manjaro.org/) — where I am a moderator — and I know of one who lives (or used to live) in this area, and who we've all known as a gay man when he was younger. His transition was a process of many years, starting with breast implants in the early 1980s and then ultimately going full "trans" in the early 1990s, and as he was one of the first in the area — we're talking a very small region of adjacent backwater villages here — he was a bit of a phenomenon, and an occasional benevolently-humoristic discussion topic at dinner tables.

I have also briefly conversed via email with a German guy who later on also became a transgender. My brief exchange with him had nothing to do with his transition, though — I didn't even know he was gay. I was communicating with him on account of his initiative to take over and maintain a dying website where people who run GNU/Linux on their computers could register their machines as an advocacy campaign for the Free/Libre & Open Source Software movement. As such, I was on his mailing list for newsletters regarding the site, and it was through that mailing list that he announced that he was going to stop maintaining the site because he had decided to transition and was preparing for a wholly different life.

Now, I will say up front that I can totally appreciate the mental suffering and social stigma those people are going through all the way from childhood into adulthood, as well as their courage in enduring the undoubtedly enormous amount of physical pain involved with all of the complicated surgery they have to go through. I can also imagine that it must be a very difficult decision to make, because there's so much more involved than just changing one's body.

People like that have lived a large part of their life under the gender identity they were born with, and as such, everyone they've known and still know in their personal and professional environments has known them under their original identity. And now all of a sudden, they are becoming someone else. It is not just a matter of whether their environment will accept them under their new identity — or even whether their environment accepts the concept of transgenderism itself in general — but it's also going to be a big shock for the people in their environment that their family member, friend or colleague suddenly becomes someone else, and yet "not someone else" at the same time. Because, yes, it's still the same person, but now all of a sudden, "he" is a "she". It is inevitable that there will be people in the trans-person's environment who are going to have difficulty with that, even if they do accept and respect the trans-person's choice.

That all said however, what the Woke™ movement seems to be totally oblivious of is that a change in gender identity is not a change in gender. Biologically, a trans-person is still of the same gender as they were born with, down to the genetic level. In mammals, males have "XY" chromosome pairs and females have "XX" chromosome pairs. Plastic surgery and hormone supplements do not change that, and moreover, they will have to take those hormone supplements for the rest of their life, because the body itself will continuously try to rectify the artificially induced hormone imbalance, which the body regards as an illness.

Once again, I can appreciate all of the suffering that trans-people go through — before, during and after their transition — but the cynical truth of the matter is that it's a form of self-delusion. After all, those people start off just as other gay/lesbian/bisexual people — some of whom may not even discover their true sexual orientation until later in life — but the difference is that other gay/lesbian/bisexual people eventually come to accept their sexual orientation, while trans-people are the ones who don't, and who therefore choose to live in the delusional state that they are of a gender where their sexual orientation is — at least, according to nature — the natural one.

Now, there are also the so-called intersexual people, but that's a whole chapter all of its own. Intersexual people — a more respectful denomination would be to call them "androgynous", rather than "intersexual" — usually have "XO" chromosome pairs, and in some cases, yet other chromosome pairs. The way those chromosome pairs find expression in the development of the primary and secondary sexual characteristics is however highly inconsistent, which, from the scientific point of view, clearly indicates that androgyny in humans is actually a biological aberration, rather than that the human species would naturally exist in three genders.

The same is true for certain other species where androgynous specimens are occasionally encountered, as opposed to yet certain other species where hermaphroditism does naturally exist. Certain species of fish and certain species of frogs can change their gender under certain population conditions, and most snails and worms are natural hermaphrodites — whether serially or concurrently. But in reptiles, birds and mammals, the phenomenon of androgyny clearly and exclusively comes down to a genetic defect and manifests inconsistently in separate individuals of the same species.

All of the above in mind, it is a fact that there now is a statistical increase in the amount of trans-people, and while I am not so stupid as to believe that this would be some perverse kind of fashion whim, it is nevertheless indisputable that the whole Woke™ movement has set this increase in motion, and that the decision to transition has become a more gratuitous one for certain people. The Wokesters™ also have it all wrong on account of their use of the gender-specific and gender-neutral pronouns. A person who identifies as non-binary — which is the new fanciful term for what used to simply be called "bisexual" in the past — will be referred to with gender-neutral pronouns, even though they clearly still have the same gender appearance as before, while trans-people are then referred to with the pronouns appropriate for their new gender appearance, as if it's the most natural thing in the world.

And sure, I can understand the need for finding gender-neutral pronouns in languages where such pronouns do not exist — or where they do exist for animals and objects but would be derogatory when used for referring to a human being — but then use the gender-neutral pronouns for trans-people and keep using the appropriate gender-specific pronouns for non-binary people; just because they see themselves as non-binary doesn't mean that their gender has suddenly changed.

So in my book — even though this is off-topic, just as the other political stuff being discussed on this thread — the whole Woke™ movement is not a movement of fighting injustice, but a movement driven by neuroticism, in which the neurotics attempt to police the behavior of other people as a requisite for being able to accept their own difference, whether it be racial, sexual, or whatever.

I consider myself left-wing and progressive, and I respect every person for who and what they are, but I will not be drawn into this neurotic madness, nor for that matter into any other fashionable culture phenomenon.

Just my two Eurocents, for whatever they're worth. :noidea:

Diabolical Boids

18th February 2023, 14:46

Frankly, I don't believe the reality exists but surely it is a 'perception'. Your post requires a lot of background context to get to the root cause. Perceptions are as debilitating as propaganda. People with unclear ideas project their 'beliefs' onto others. Not really relevant but through DNA testing, I found a half-sister who is a psychologist specializing in transgender 'preparation' for sex change operations. She is given referrals to assess the individual's ability and readiness for a radical life-changing process. People don't do that because it is cool or because it is the prevailing social zeitgeist unless they are seriously disturbed. Those types are edge cases that fuel the perceptions.

Same with Uncle Toms, in many cases, they are Uncle Tom. Supreme Court Justice (Thom)as is an outstanding example. When he looks in the mirror in the morning he sees a white guy. Those types don't deserve a voice. It's all about the language used to state one's position. It is easy to sense benevolence or malevolence in the presentation of one's argument. Honesty, openness and willingness to trade ideas are admirable traits. To purposefully rub raw wounds is not. And this is the problem in my opinion, many just want to gain notoriety by working against a goal that has by its very nature a moral and admirable quality (some would love to call it a narrative but reality can be called a narrative only with great difficulty and duplicity).

It does require a lot of background context. I've been watching the situation emerging among these groups splintering off for a couple of years now. Thousands of individuals telling their personal stories, experiences and observations, and sharing data and transgender specialists chiming in. That's their community, and I have to respect that their opinion is just as relevant as the mainstream narrative or run the risk of being transphobic myself.

Does your half sister refer more adults or more minors in her practice? Curious? She's probably familiar with Dr. Andersen, who is a transsexual psychologist herself. She first came out to make the claims that it was social pressure (not necessarily peer pressure but that was also a factor) that was behind the spike in girls wanting to transition. With the emphasis that she is referring to minors not adults as her specialty was treating minors. Andersen was then arbitrarily attacked for her statements in social media even though she has been in transgender medicine for decades and is transsexual herself (face palm). That tells me there is social pressure behind this. And really Andersen just wanted parents and medical communities to treat the issue more responsibly since there were already medical and psychological protocols in place and not to treat it as a social fad. She was most particularly concerned with people other than the parents involving themselves in the transition of minors and keeping transition from parents.

It's even really hard to find links to her interviews with search engines on MSM, so it seems she is being throttled. I found them among dissenting trans organizations like Gays Against Groomers.

15-20 years ago Andersen over the course of many interviews said there were a couple of transgender clinics in the US. Now there's dozens and dozens of them. Male adults wanting to reassign to women was the norm, and it was fairly rare. It had maintained that sort of rarity for about 50 years. Now its imploded 5000 percent and flip flopped virtually overnight into legions of young girls wanting to transition. Andersen thought that was significant that sudden flip flop.

Then there's the follow the money aspect of it. Andersen goes on to criticize the process these gender clinics that just popped up overnight. More like plastic surgery mills than the very intense , delicate and specialized microsurgery that goes into sexual reassignment in clinics established for that purpose. It's not through long years of therapy in consenting adults that finally arrive them at the decision, but more like allowing minors to self-diagnose and then allow them access to hormones and surgery without any long-time therapy to find out if they have an underlying condition. Long term therapy before transition was an established protocol to weed out underlying conditions. Suddenly it was abandoned. Tavistock in the UK closed its transgender clinic for this reason or was forced to close I should say. Potentially one could be experiencing body dysphoria, discontent with your own body which is common during puberty, rather than actual gender dysphoria which is actually being in the wrong body. I believe the term weaponizing puberty for profit was used.

The conclusion I drew from that is: Who stands to profit from that? Not the transgender community, not social influencers, but big pharma and big medicine.

Diabolical Boids

18th February 2023, 15:52

With this kind of social programming occurring in the liberal progressive communities it makes it really hard to remain progressive when it strays off into stuff that I don't think anyone of a certain age was raised to navigate. I tell my kids that. I wasn't raised to navigate the issues we are currently experiencing in the world, and I didn't raise you to adeptly navigate these issues because they didn't exist then. But it's only been about 10-15 years ago when being gay became a fad at one of my kids' middle schools. So one comes home one day and announces they are gay.

Okay. Well how can I help you with that.

Nothing Just don't be judgmental or go nuts or hate me or anything.

Okay. Then life went on as usual but the rest of my family some who consider themselves liberal went batshit. She can't really be gay they screamed and acted like I raised her to be gay. I'm not gay and I would have no idea how to raise a child to be gay or give a child gay lessons but apparently that wasn't a reasonable response.

No, the child in question wasn't gay. But I'm the parent and I noticed something going on that no one else did and figured time would take care of it. Or wouldn't. I maintained I knew my child better than they did. So it was like being supportive, but not pushing in either direction.

Now she's happily married to a man. It was just a situation that was evolved out of without my interference. And I don't like to think how things could have gone if I had been pushy about the matter either way, either climbing on boards some pro or anti stance. I correctly pinned it as part of growing up. Even though my generation didn't particularly have orientation or gender confusion in vast numbers like we do now. Having once been that age though I knew what puberty confusion was.

I guess you have to remain liberal progressive as a individual instead of as a social or political group so you don't have to adopt the party lines of the groups when they get irrational and ungrounded and self-contradictory. Individuals it seems are easier to interface and understand than huge organizations, groups and parties which, regardless of theme or what they represent, end up being obnoxious and destructive after a while even turning on themselves. People become less important than making sure the party, no matter how dysfunctional it becomes, remains the winner. That is the same for any organization, regardless of creed.

There are several transgenders at work. They are adults though, not children though. They haven't had the surgery, nor do I know if they will ever have the surgery. They all present as men, but still use the woman's locker room confiding they don't feel comfortable in the men's locker room. They are really open and honest about it but I never went so far as to ask them if social pressure was the cause of their wanting to present as men, but not necessarily live as a man.

They just say they feel more comfortable presenting as men. Not boys. Men. They are the one's who actually called out a biological male wanting to be in the woman's locker room and worked to have him removed from the locker room. They were telling me about this after the fact. The company was hesitant to do so due to 'woke' policy, but it was his/ her behavior in the locker room that upset everyone. They suspected he wasn't trans at all but taking advantage of policy. Doing stupid shit like peeing in the sinks for which he got kicked out of the men's locker room in the first place.. Instead of using it as a place to change he used it as a place to parade around naked leading one to believe he really wasn't convinced he was a woman. Or as one of the transmen told him, I lived most a good portion of my life as a woman and peeing in sinks is not part of being a woman. It was an interesting exchange. They talked a lot about trans people who did it for attention, because it became all about being trans or gay as if their entire personality and other aspects of themselves as humans like interests, hobbies and professions were memory holed and everything was just about being gay or trans. That's a theme that comes up again and again when talking to trans or gay people.

A decided difference between them and the trans males who used the locker room for that purpose. I doubt anyone transitions so they can pee in a sink so they ended up getting rid of him based on that.

But when you talk to individuals instead of listening to party lines it's very enlightening. I have a close friend who is a lesbian. She's very open about it and said she's never felt that she was oppressed or deprived of rights. I tell her she is very conservative, and she always wonders I mean when I laugh at her about it. I don't mean in the political sense but just the way she is compared to how gays are represented in social media. She's very obvious lesbian but doesn't make her entire existence about it. She's too appealing really for anyone to hate on her. She doesn't go to gay pride parades because she said the behavior of some individuals there was so disgusting that she wouldn't take her younger minor sister who is in her care to see it. I think she is very representative of gays everywhere who make it about who they love and not what they are. She is also critical of gay people who are gay just to be gay, and make everything about being gay. She says they are boring, and probably just doing it for attention.

When I am accused of being a right wing nut job she's quick to point out that supporting gay people also means I'm concerned with things like if they can put food on the table or afford gas or pay their mortgage. I can honestly says she's one of the few people that gets me.

I have a much younger, previously female cousin, that had experienced such terrible sexual abuse by a family member and was so traumatized that they will never be able to present as a woman. He said he would never be safe being a woman --safe from abuse I mean. Women don't disgust him. He said being a female disgusted him. His mother, the female role model, just allowed this abuse to go on and on so he cannot identify with such a disgusting aspect of femininity. He has no idea if he was transgender from the get-go or the abuse forced him there and it doesn't matter I guess. He's much happier being a man, feels safer and able to engage in life in a way that he couldn't as a female. But again goes back to predatory adults factoring into these decisions and blurring the waters. Interestingly he comes from a very conservative, 'let's hide the body in the hills' part of the family who have been very supportive and agree what transitioning was the only way he could have some sort of a life even though they disagree with trans issues in general.

When you get down to individuals instead of groups, things are much more peaceful and empathetic between people, instead of allowing huge political and social justice organizations influencing relations between people.

Emil El Zapato

18th February 2023, 18:25

Wind

19th February 2023, 07:16

Diabolical Boids

19th February 2023, 12:01

That's hard to argue with, my brother's wife has a sister that has always been ambiguous about her sexuality, her nephews consider her gay though she is married to a man right now, multiple relationships, multiple kids (all sexually confused, one openly lesbian and her brothers are unknown currently, both either transsexual or transgender...the family is still trying to figure it out but then that isn't their specialty).

That's the core problem that gets unfairly misconstrued as hate. This is no parent's specialty. Yet everywhere people are expected to be experts and therapists on other people's problems in advance, like mind readers. They should all be experts and adroitly handle their child's announcement about suddenly volte facing their identity. For parents who have children that felt they were the opposite sex from a very early age they have to time to get used to the idea, to find therapy and take this long adaptive road into the child finally transitioning.

But for parents who just get blindsided when their kid comes home from school, announces they are the opposite sex without having shown any sign of it before, they are attacked for not having the "appropriate" reaction. To say the least they are startled, upset, confused, and probably don't deal with it well. And there's more adults in the background who are ready to tell kids "Well that was an inappropriate reaction, your parents hate you and are keeping you from happiness. They are gatekeepers." So unless a parent just quickly says, "Of course you are trans. Let's get your boobs removed right away," these groomers accuse parents of hatred when really they are just shocked, blindsided, confused, have no idea what the child is speaking of. Not transphobic.
In those instances it seems more like shock hypnosis. MKULTRA. Shock, and then start the conditioning patter while the parent is suspended in confusion, and then sweep the child away during the confusion. I don't think it's about hate, I think its about greed and fulfilling an agenda. Nor do I think this happens in every situation, but it happens enough when other adults outside the family unit get involved like teachers or influential personages on social media.

That goes hand in hand with another issue unrelated to LGBTQ issue, a sub plot in the background which is just NWO agenda. An attack on families. That started in the 60's with urging women to leave the family and go work. It profited the IRS to get more women on the tax rolls but became a long destructive chain of family dissolution and troubled kids having absentee parents. For a time in the 90's in the US stay at home mothers were attacked socially for staying at home with their kids. Now certain extremist groups are attacking the concept of plain and simple family, and the idea of having parents as restrictive. Well yeah, Parents are restrictive. That's the point of parents. Even animal parents are restrictive.

The idea of freedom gone too far. How do you get around having a family or parents unless everyone is born in a test tube and then put into a state-run institution which for sure sounds NWO. If people have no families, they are naturally inclined to create families from people around them, friends and associates. But the social programmers who pressure kids into transition, insist on one hand that the idea of family should be abolished and on the other hand insist they are the only true family. Oh so then it's not about family being bad, its a battle ground about who gets to influence who. That's cultish. It also reminds me of the whistleblowers like Cathy O' Brien who testified she was separated from her family and turned a sex slaves by groomers and people high up in the elitist order. In some instances, some of these young people had parents who actually groomed them to be used.

So does social pressure keep people in the closet or does it let them out? Your guess would be as good as mine probably better.

A good question. Both? I think. Social pressure towards acceptance opens the doors, and eventually people in question begin to settle into the mainstream of society. I think that is what most people want. But there are factors behind that keep pushing the envelope saying that is not enough and push things too far. Tolerance and acceptance turns into fascism where it's not enough to accept or tolerate you must show your devotion and make the people in question exclusive, the primary and sole concern and above the laws of civility. Or we will destroy your reputation. Which means acceptance wasn't the issue, domination is. Then it gives all sorts of opportunities to predate on others freely. Instead of acceptance people are convinced they need special privileges for being gay or transsexual or whatever which then puts them outside the mainstream of society again. I think the numbers of people wanting privilege is very small, but the extremists usually get all the news and bandwidth, making it seem like they are a majority.

Emil El Zapato

19th February 2023, 12:11

That's the core problem that gets unfairly misconstrued as hate. This is no parent's specialty. Yet everywhere people are expected to be experts and therapists on other people's problems in advance, like mind readers. They should all be experts and adroitly handle their child's announcement about suddenly volte facing their identity. For parents who have children that felt they were the opposite sex from a very early age they have to time to get used to the idea, to find therapy and take this long adaptive road into the child finally transitioning.

Very good points, indeed.

Diabolical Boids

19th February 2023, 12:30

If you look at this topic from the Jungian perspect then would it make any more sense? Anima and animus.

To me permanent body modifications seem a bit extreme. Changing children's gender doesn't seem okay to me.
What if a girl is a tomboy and they're also a lesbian? Why do they have to change their body into male body?

What if we were born into the bodies we are supposed to be having, but due to past life experiences people associate themselves to the opposite gender and feel that they must change their body so they can identify more with their energy? What if the real solution would just to become comfortable as you are and accept what you have. It seems like confusion to me. Yet people are free to do as they will.

I guess body modification for transgenderism has been going on since the 50's. But it wasn't a extreme social issue, it didn't sweep the nation. And there was years long therapy involved in it and eventually careful surgical work. There wasn't pressure to get modified. Now it's extreme. It must be done right away. And these kids come out of it looking like they got hacked in a chop shop and many of them have horrifying complications they have to live with the rest of their lives. Penises that don't pee, constant bladder infections, bleeding vaginas, infections, reactions to hormones. They don't tell them about the potential side effects in advance.

That's what started the splintering of the LGBTQ community. The programmers turning on gay people and insisting lesbians weren't gay, they were in the wrong body. Or gay men weren't men, they were in the wrong body. Or straight girls who are just tomboys are pressured. Or bookish quiet boys who don't play sports must be in the wrong body. It's just bringing back old gender roles after complaining traditional gender roles shouldn't have any influence on kids. So much for getting to determine who or what you are. So much for acceptance. Like you said this might be generationally reincarnative. There's something to be learned from body or gender dysphoria on the higher level.

Then there are other unnecessary ploys that go way beyond acceptance. Like making children go to adult entertainment venues like drag shows. Drag queens which are usually just gay men who like to dress up started speaking out about that. It makes drag queens look bad, like they are the perverts instead of the people, often parents, pushing their kids in there.

This guy. Who is a gay guy also a drag queen who says "your woke isn't doing us any favors it's hurting us." Interestingly enough whenever I google for Kitty Demure, he is usually labeled of being a conservative. Maybe he is. Why is it necessary to bring up an entirely unrelated matter. It's used as a way of discrediting those who are being harmed most by the agenda and those most willing to draw back the veil on the issue. Basically saying if you are not on the extremist leftist agenda, your transsexuality and gayness are not acceptable. Don't bring anything to the table unless it's extreme.
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Diabolical Boids

19th February 2023, 12:56

I guess humor instead of hate is the best way to address it. Progressives probably didn't forsee the issues they supported turning on them or the rise of the extreme woke-ism. But Maher highlights how much language programming is involved in wokeism.

Not sure if this is an urban legend or what but its a story making its way around the internet in the US. A girl comes home from school and announces she is transgender and really a boy. Changes her hair and clothing and starts presenting as a male. So the father supports her in this. In fact he begins dressing as woman, dress, make up sandals and starts taking her to school, picking her up, and dressing that way when they go abroad as a family all to support transgenders. Then he ups the support. Since his daughter is going to be a man he begins to introduce her to male responsibilities like what her brothers have. She has to help with automotive work, pressuring her to get a job, thinking about how she's going to take care of a family, mow the lawn and take the garbage out because that are all men's responsibilities.

Within a few weeks, she wasn't trans anymore.

Wind

19th February 2023, 16:03

In a sane society you should be able to joke about all things. Comedians are truth tellers & provocateurs.

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I guess body modification for transgenderism has been going on since the 50's. But it wasn't a extreme social issue, it didn't sweep the nation. And there was years long therapy involved in it and eventually careful surgical work. There wasn't pressure to get modified. Now it's extreme. It must be done right away. And these kids come out of it looking like they got hacked in a chop shop and many of them have horrifying complications they have to live with the rest of their lives. Penises that don't pee, constant bladder infections, bleeding vaginas, infections, reactions to hormones. They don't tell them about the potential side effects in advance.

That's what puzzles and concerns me although at least here this issue isn't so prevalent like it's in the states. There are indeed many negative side-effects and regrets, because things aren't perfect and also operations are done too hastily, to kids too. If you question that then you're a transphobe? Give me a break. It's about ethical conduct and welfare of people. If some truly will feel better and won't kill themselves because they "switched" their gender then good for them, but that's not always the best solution. At least I'm not convinced because the science seems to be split on that. It seems to be more of an ideological thing and I think Aragorn is right about the neurotics. For some reason a lot of that originates from somewhere around Portland, Oregon in USA. Wokism is one weird thing too and mainly it's an American thing although it's starting to spread elsewhere too.