Expert Facts CV19 Is Hoax ?

[Aianawa]

Impossible ? > https://www.bitchute.com/video/wzGujyS5DYXn/

[Aianawa]

Russell Brand is getting it nowadays, much truth being spoken and created by Russell >


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fg0c2x74mgU

Yes the lady is an expert, simply listen to her.

[Aianawa]

On my thread about CV19 that was first put in hoax section and later killed/locked, within was said not one sample world wide has been produced, gathered, shown as proof.

Here again this is shouted loud by an academic n expert plus some universities around them, this time people are listening, this time legal actions and other academics are listening and asking questions.

Hoax bin again ?, cancelled and locked again ?.

[The One]

From my post https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/13875-Worst-and-best-week-of-my-life

Maybe i am part of the conspiracy Aianawa and none of this is real :fpalm: Maybe for you,you will have to live it and see it to believe it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BTmGlJndLQ&t=2s

The video sound quality is not that good, i will explain more below. Since the making of this video Nathans condition has improved amazingly and i have since tested positive for covid

Nathan was admitted to hospital on Sunday the 06/12/2020 with breathing difficulties, at that time only one parent could stay with him due to Covid.Nathan was tested for Covid and it came back positive. He was then moved to a specialist ward call Bryn North that only specilaises with Covid

Got a call from Nathans mum on the 07/12/2020 at 11.30pm to say or Nathan was having major problems with breathing and that i was allowed to attend the ward he was staying. Nathan could not keep his stats above 85 and it should be 98/99

08/12/2020 was the worst day of my life, Nathan's stats went below 80 into the 70's and thats when the doctor asked to see us in the sisters office. There was a doctor and the ward sister who basically told us that Nathan was critically i'll and that he could deteriote at any moment. They said he could get better, but they was preparing us for the worst. At that moment i have never felt as lost in my life, so many emotions and why why why.

We decided due to Nathans condition we would facetime with our families so they could say their final goodbyes. I needed to get some fresh air so i went outside to try and gather my thoughts after about 15 mins i went back into the hospital and decided to take a detour to the hospital chapel. I am not a religious person but i said a prayer and said if there is a god then please do something.

Me and Nathans mum stayed with him that night expecting to loose him, a consultant came to see us to say they could try this experimental drug but there are no guarantees, we said yes straight away.

They administered the first dose within 20 mins and Nathans stats went up slightly to about 87/88 but this was not enough ,the cpap machine at the moment was basically keeping him alive. They then administered the second dose of this experimental drug and within about 2 hours, our Nathans stats for the first time went above 90.We was over the moon and we new we was not out of the wood yet but this gave us some hope.

We could also see the fight in our Nathan and this also helped. Fast forwarding to the 18/12/2020 our Nathans condition is now normal and he's going home with oxygen today.

From needing 30 % oxygen which is the max you can have on cpap machine to reducing it to 25% then 15% and now its on 4% which is enough to go home on. I really cant tell you where the last week went as i m not sure myself, its like i have been in some sort of twilight zone.

If i could give all those doctors and nurses all the money in the world then it would not be enough, what they do is truly amazing .


To all those doubters out there i can assure you that this Covid is as real as it gets and i hope none of you ever have to experience what i had to go through. I have since tested positive for covid 19 and have got a few symptoms like dry cough, loss of smell and pain in the back. I have to isolate until the 23/12/2020 but enough about me, i have recived the best Christmas present i could have ever wished for and thats our Nathan coming home. Wow what a journey.

https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/p1080x2048/131401563_445049636883885_1183350903041116860_n.jp g?_nc_cat=111&ccb=3&_nc_sid=ae9488&_nc_ohc=mktQH9GFpZkAX9h73sC&_nc_ht=scontent-lht6-1.xx&tp=6&oh=689746bc1567ac4215ba174825e18762&oe=6054FEC1

https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/131409736_2907704836129446_4619507489865520119_n.j pg?_nc_cat=111&ccb=3&_nc_sid=ae9488&_nc_ohc=HRpH3gXW0F8AX8LwWGD&_nc_ht=scontent-lht6-1.xx&oh=161a1fc741f00c4a2433e2a14b2dff4f&oe=6031B8D4

https://scontent-lhr8-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/131529461_1369473273385350_6149525198111813179_n.j pg?_nc_cat=102&ccb=3&_nc_sid=ae9488&_nc_ohc=Dsk3wq-eeIEAX-Kacg4&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr8-2.xx&oh=517116b3c1efceb79dd1b80e92869399&oe=6031C461

Remember take care of each other.

Thanks for all your kind words, he's home now and so happy

Love

Malc.:group hug:

[Dreamtimer]

Thank you, Malc, once again for posting your experience and being honest about your feelings. You are a true gentleman, giving Aianawa a chance, yet again, to see the reality of this disease.

It is gracious and admirable and I have tremendous respect for you and your family. My husband's career was working with folks with varied disabilities and it's a beautiful thing to see families who care so much.

Not all of them do.

[Aianawa]

Hi Malc, have watched your vid and felt your share regards your families experience plus many others around the world. You have shown evidence of what happens every year, as shown in first vid post one, was it flu 1 or two or cv 19 as they are unable to show anyone ( as the vid says and experts ) the actual covid 19, answer is no, they will say and tell you but you will get no proof.

I feel there is a variant of flu added to the flu's world wide that one may call cv19, the lies from governments n cohorts get more wonderous and feeble each day, this too will pass hopefully sooner than later but evidence of cv19 why where n hows will keep coming out, Cuomo stuff is disgusting but it is coming out now, hard to believe for many but just why the F would a human do that ?, law overrrreach world wide has been harsh, control of people intense.

[Aianawa]

PS i feel n felt you and your families experience Malc, i have lost a son, the emotional roller coaster is tough, blessings to you n yours and wish we were all on the same side regards CV 19, i respect your journey and beliefs.

[Aragorn]

On my thread about CV19 that was first put in hoax section and later killed/locked, within was said not one sample world wide has been produced, gathered, shown as proof.

Here again this is shouted loud by an academic n expert plus some universities around them, this time people are listening, this time legal actions and other academics are listening and asking questions.

Hoax bin again ?, cancelled and locked again ?.

Not locked ─ for now ─ but definitely moved to the hoax bin, yes.

[Aianawa]

Produce a sample then Aragorn, c'mon man, do it.

Spose your not seeing let alone feeling the narrative change atm, or are you ?, i have to be myself best able, lately i have had to be who i am not, to be able to continue sharing and socialising and connecting with-in forum and being who i am, Malc is being who he is, bless his journey, Malc find a sample, real sample evidence, not cooked up by the usual suspects n nefarious charactors knowingly and unknowingly.

There is one truth on this matter, hoax away.

[Aianawa]

This vid is Corbetts offsider ?, and a investigative journalist, just started and looks very interesting, event 201 which gets denied a lot and also Amazing Polly who got her vids truthfully correct regards event 201 ( prep for cv19 by Gates n co ), bill gates now denies event 201 took place and was funded by him ( wonder why, Polly has many vids showing the proof archived ), some here may remember the 201 event vids, this is the start of this vid and even though the evidence is prolific regards event 201 and gates funding they are denial bound, they are in big trouble.

So the above start is obvious and truth here on The One Truth even, yes ? , okay ?, more truth is coming regards cv19 every day, some shocking like Cuomo, some prep cv19 like Polly showed, data, etc etc


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkD5KTV-j_I&feature=emb_logo

[Elen]

Produce a sample then Aragorn, c'mon man, do it.

Spose your not seeing let alone feeling the narrative change atm, or are you ?, i have to be myself best able, lately i have had to be who i am not, to be able to continue sharing and socialising and connecting with-in forum and being who i am, Malc is being who he is, bless his journey, Malc find a sample, real sample evidence, not cooked up by the usual suspects n nefarious charactors knowingly and unknowingly.

There is one truth on this matter, hoax away.

OK OK Vern...the Truth of the matter is that you're sitting in a Bubble, cut off from the rest of us, screaming it's fake news...it's fake news. Your bubble is New Zealand who has closed it's borders temporarily, so that you can have your bubble. In this case...your truth isn't our truth, because you have separated yourself from the rest. it would be helpful if you left a little space...breathing space for humanity at large.

There are times when we all individually want to think for ourselves, without the constant input of all the negatives that you want us to see. Take care Vern...remember this...the biggest secret:

LOVE HAS NO ENEMIES. :love:

[Aianawa]

The Irish bubble ? > https://rumble.com/vdz965-today-they-were-forced-to-admit-that-covid-19-does-not-exist-mirrored.html

Oh dear oh dear, all the positives to help people out of fear, nope i will stop here, let it go.

Thanks for trying to help Elen, will limp back to Tartar etc

[Chris]

It was incredibly annoying when I was lying in hospital seriously ill, hooked up to oxygen, with double pneumonia and my girlfriend at the time still insisted I never had covid and it was all just a giant hoax. It later turned out, she also had covid, never told anyone, including her flatmates or workmates, where she shared the same breathing space with hundreds of people. She continued working as normal, as her symptoms were mild and probably infected a bunch of people.

This sort of wilful ignorance, because it isn't due to lack of information, but a denial of reality and a particular kind of arrogance in which one's judgement is seen as superior to that of actual experts, really costs lives and is highly dangerous.

BTW, I kicked my ex-GF to the kerb and never looked back, I can't have that level of powerful stupid in my life, I have plenty of problems in my life, even without having to educate an adult on the basics of biology and world events. At least if she'd listened to me or anyone else in her life, but of course she was too stubborn...

Well, rant over, this wasn't directed at Vern, but I had to get it off my chest... Sorry if it was oversharing.

[Dreamtimer]

It was incredibly annoying when I was lying in hospital seriously ill, hooked up to oxygen, with double pneumonia and my girlfriend at the time still insisted I never had covid and it was all just a giant hoax. It later turned out, she also had covid, never told anyone, including her flatmates or workmates, where she shared the same breathing space with hundreds of people. She continued working as normal, as her symptoms were mild and probably infected a bunch of people.

This sort of wilful ignorance, because it isn't due to lack of information, but a denial of reality and a particular kind of arrogance in which one's judgement is seen as superior to that of actual experts, really costs lives and is highly dangerous.

BTW, I kicked my ex-GF to the kerb and never looked back, I can't have that level of powerful stupid in my life, I have plenty of problems in my life, even without having to educate an adult on the basics of biology and world events. At least if she'd listened to me or anyone else in her life, but of course she was too stubborn...

Well, rant over, this wasn't directed at Vern, but I had to get it off my chest... Sorry if it was oversharing.

Amen, brother. Amen. :amen:

Lies are certainly bad. Lies that cost people lives are much worse. Denial is what allows that to continue. That kills folks too.

I would think that would be a concern. For some, it clearly isn't.


The irony here is that New Zealand has been able to open up exactly because of protocols instituted, including mandatory quarantines. Smart actions get smart results.

And yet, some will never admit it.

[Emil El Zapato]

It was incredibly annoying when I was lying in hospital seriously ill, hooked up to oxygen, with double pneumonia and my girlfriend at the time still insisted I never had covid and it was all just a giant hoax. It later turned out, she also had covid, never told anyone, including her flatmates or workmates, where she shared the same breathing space with hundreds of people. She continued working as normal, as her symptoms were mild and probably infected a bunch of people.

This sort of wilful ignorance, because it isn't due to lack of information, but a denial of reality and a particular kind of arrogance in which one's judgement is seen as superior to that of actual experts, really costs lives and is highly dangerous.

BTW, I kicked my ex-GF to the kerb and never looked back, I can't have that level of powerful stupid in my life, I have plenty of problems in my life, even without having to educate an adult on the basics of biology and world events. At least if she'd listened to me or anyone else in her life, but of course she was too stubborn...

Well, rant over, this wasn't directed at Vern, but I had to get it off my chest... Sorry if it was oversharing.

:) I'm good with personal content ... it lets us know we are all human ... unfortunately ...

[Aragorn]

Produce a sample then Aragorn, c'mon man, do it.

Spose your not seeing let alone feeling the narrative change atm, or are you ?, i have to be myself best able, lately i have had to be who i am not, to be able to continue sharing and socialising and connecting with-in forum and being who i am, Malc is being who he is, bless his journey, Malc find a sample, real sample evidence, not cooked up by the usual suspects n nefarious charactors knowingly and unknowingly.

There is one truth on this matter, hoax away.

I don't give a flying fuck about whatever the narrative of the day is, Vern, and especially not about the variant of the narrative going round within the knee-jerking alt-right circles whence you exclusively get your information. I understand the science behind what's going on.

Besides, I am absolutely certain that I have explicitly mentioned here at the forum that I myself have had Covid-19, and not once but twice. One of my friends ─ she has been a member here ─ has also had it twice, and her father died of it. My brother's youngest son and his girlfriend have both been tested positive but were asymptomatic, but given that they are both teachers, this automatically meant that they had to immediately isolate themselves. And here at the forum, Malc has posted about his son Nathan almost dying of Covid-19, and Chris was posting about his own experiences while he himself was still in hospital with Covid-19.

The denial that Covid-19 is real and deadly because you've never caught it, and your neighbor hasn't caught it, and the rabbits in your backyard didn't catch it either is just as in(s)ane as that I would be claiming that New Zealand doesn't exist because I've never been to New Zealand, my neighbor hasn't been to New Zealand either and the rabbits in the town park ─ I don't have a backyard because I live in an apartment ─ also have never been to New Zealand.

Is the above enough of a sample for you, Vern? :facepalm: :frusty:

[Wind]

Aianawa wants them special eggysamples. I probably had Covid-19 once or twice last year too, I was sick for quite a while.

[Aianawa]

It was incredibly annoying when I was lying in hospital seriously ill, hooked up to oxygen, with double pneumonia and my girlfriend at the time still insisted I never had covid and it was all just a giant hoax. It later turned out, she also had covid, never told anyone, including her flatmates or workmates, where she shared the same breathing space with hundreds of people. She continued working as normal, as her symptoms were mild and probably infected a bunch of people.

This sort of wilful ignorance, because it isn't due to lack of information, but a denial of reality and a particular kind of arrogance in which one's judgement is seen as superior to that of actual experts, really costs lives and is highly dangerous.

BTW, I kicked my ex-GF to the kerb and never looked back, I can't have that level of powerful stupid in my life, I have plenty of problems in my life, even without having to educate an adult on the basics of biology and world events. At least if she'd listened to me or anyone else in her life, but of course she was too stubborn...

Well, rant over, this wasn't directed at Vern, but I had to get it off my chest... Sorry if it was oversharing.

Glad your rid of her Chris, plenty of education to come imo let alone the vac responses still not being reported truely ( due to fear people will stop taking, duh )


I don't give a flying fuck about whatever the narrative of the day is, Vern, and especially not about the variant of the narrative going round within the knee-jerking alt-right circles whence you exclusively get your information. I understand the science behind what's going on.

Besides, I am absolutely certain that I have explicitly mentioned here at the forum that I myself have had Covid-19, and not once but twice. One of my friends ─ she has been a member here ─ has also had it twice, and her father died of it. My brother's youngest son and his girlfriend have both been tested positive but were asymptomatic, but given that they are both teachers, this automatically meant that they had to immediately isolate themselves. And here at the forum, Malc has posted about his son Nathan almost dying of Covid-19, and Chris was posting about his own experiences while he himself was still in hospital with Covid-19.

The denial that Covid-19 is real and deadly because you've never caught it, and your neighbor hasn't caught it, and the rabbits in your backyard didn't catch it either is just as in(s)ane as that I would be claiming that New Zealand doesn't exist because I've never been to New Zealand, my neighbor hasn't been to New Zealand either and the rabbits in the town park ─ I don't have a backyard because I live in an apartment ─ also have never been to New Zealand.

Is the above enough of a sample for you, Vern? :facepalm: :frusty:

Yip future generations will look back incrediousely saying wow did they trust science or what. SHOW me the scientific sample or move along, will not reply to your outward child n send loving energy to your inner child.

[Aianawa]

Okay i will reply a wee bit, flu 1 n two n cv 19 can and do kill, you have no idea what in the world what is really going on in the world, above n behind the scenes because you wish only your own narrative and the one supplied by people you trust, why is beyond me when you look at all the abuse and misery caused by same ones time and time again, enjoy your side salad of fear alongside whatever else the putrids choose to feed you.

Being blind to generational abuses does not excuse what you allow for future generations, true for you unknowingly, get proof of a sample from anywhere in the world, ffs that is simple, cmon, or bugger off, please prove me incorrect and please do not overpower me with a ban, get a bloody scientific sample or piss off to a cv19 echo chamber thread Aragorn.


Aianawa wants them special eggysamples. I probably had Covid-19 once or twice last year too, I was sick for quite a while.

Use your brain and get a scientific sample, no one else can, cmon Wise Wind, please.

Also why your digging and researching, look into how they scientically get these new variants.

[Aianawa]

The imo fear and narrative CONtrolled = war on the notus's, old stuff really and here is a recent adage >

reads from Goldstein's book] "In accordance to the principles of doublethink, it does not matter if the war is not real, or when it is, that victory is not possible. The war is not meant to be won. It is meant to be continuous. The essential act of modern warfare is the destruction of the produce of human labour. A hierarchical society is only possible on the basis of poverty and ignorance. In principle, the war effort is always planned to keep society on the brink of starvation. The war is waged by the ruling group against its own subjects, and its object is not victory over Eurasia or Eastasia, but to keep the very structure of society intact." [notices Julia is asleep] Julia? Are you awake? There is truth, and there is untruth. To be in a minority of one doesn't make you mad. Julia, my love, I understand how, but I don't understand why.


Chapter III, War is Peace, "The Book" is referencing "THE THEORY AND PRACTICE OF OLIGARCHICAL COLLECTIVISM" by Emmanuel Goldstein, which happens in Chapter 9 of "1984."


Okay, off to Tartar land with Jon now, looks a good watch.

Pity Amanda was pushed off, as she was, is very good with the science side. Mind you any differing narrative, even science wise as i have given also, is atm not the desired one.

[Aianawa]

Narrative is getting desperate atm because they fear mongering 500.000 dead of cv19 in USA when they not there yet >

The CDC website shows only 460,000 deaths, with only 6% of those being stand-alone Covid-19 deaths. 94% of the 460,000 deaths involved 2 or more medical conditions, in addition to the (suspected) presence of Covid-19.

Feel and seeing more people going wtf, intelligence and wisdom coming through finally, we indeed will save ourselves and the mind is first save by starting with yourself.
If narrative is losing energy, another fear narrative will be very quickly created.

[Dreamtimer]

There has been more than enough scientific evidence out already to disprove the idea that Covid-19 is a hoax. If what has already been presented here and all over the globe isn't enough, then nothing will be.

You can't prove to a Fundamentalist that the world is as old as it is no matter the quality or quantity of scientific information provided.

Your 'scientific' challenge, Aianawa, is an empty one at this point.

[Aragorn]

Produce a sample then Aragorn, c'mon man, do it.

Spose your not seeing let alone feeling the narrative change atm, or are you ?, i have to be myself best able, lately i have had to be who i am not, to be able to continue sharing and socialising and connecting with-in forum and being who i am, Malc is being who he is, bless his journey, Malc find a sample, real sample evidence, not cooked up by the usual suspects n nefarious charactors knowingly and unknowingly.

There is one truth on this matter, hoax away.

I don't give a flying fuck about whatever the narrative of the day is, Vern, and especially not about the variant of the narrative going round within the knee-jerking alt-right circles whence you exclusively get your information. I understand the science behind what's going on.

Besides, I am absolutely certain that I have explicitly mentioned here at the forum that I myself have had Covid-19, and not once but twice. One of my friends ─ she has been a member here ─ has also had it twice, and her father died of it. My brother's youngest son and his girlfriend have both been tested positive but were asymptomatic, but given that they are both teachers, this automatically meant that they had to immediately isolate themselves. And here at the forum, Malc has posted about his son Nathan almost dying of Covid-19, and Chris was posting about his own experiences while he himself was still in hospital with Covid-19.

The denial that Covid-19 is real and deadly because you've never caught it, and your neighbor hasn't caught it, and the rabbits in your backyard didn't catch it either is just as in(s)ane as that I would be claiming that New Zealand doesn't exist because I've never been to New Zealand, my neighbor hasn't been to New Zealand either and the rabbits in the town park ─ I don't have a backyard because I live in an apartment ─ also have never been to New Zealand.

Is the above enough of a sample for you, Vern? :facepalm: :frusty:

Yip future generations will look back incrediousely saying wow did they trust science or what. SHOW me the scientific sample or move along, will not reply to your outward child n send loving energy to your inner child.

Had you been paying attention these last couple of months instead of burying whatever little sense of discernment you have into alt-right news sources and ditto videos from YouTube talking heads, then you would have seen the following articles I've posted here...





Date: 03.09.2020
Thread: A Supercomputer Analyzed Covid-19, and an Interesting New Theory Has Emerged (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/13596-A-Supercomputer-Analyzed-Covid-19-and-an-Interesting-New-Theory-Has-Emerged)


Source: Elemental (https://elemental.medium.com/a-supercomputer-analyzed-covid-19-and-an-interesting-new-theory-has-emerged-31cb8eba9d63)




A closer look at the Bradykinin hypothesis


https://cdn.rentokil.com/content/local/be-amb/images/desktop/main_rentokil-coronavirus-web-banner.jpg


Earlier this summer, the Summit supercomputer at Oak Ridge National Lab in Tennessee set about crunching data (https://spectrum.ieee.org/the-human-os/computing/hardware/has-the-summit-supercomputer-cracked-the-covid-code.amp.html) on more than 40,000 genes from 17,000 genetic samples in an effort to better understand Covid-19 (https://coronavirus.medium.com/). Summit is the second-fastest (https://www.top500.org/) computer in the world, but the process — which involved analyzing 2.5 billion genetic combinations — still took more than a week.

When Summit was done, researchers analyzed the results. It was, in the words of Dr. Daniel Jacobson, lead researcher and chief scientist for computational systems biology at Oak Ridge, a “eureka moment (https://www.forbes.com/sites/cognitiveworld/2020/08/05/your-lungs-can-fill-up-with-jell-o-scientists-discover-a-new-pathway-for-covid-19-inflammatory-response/#1c4172e824be).” The computer had revealed a new theory about how Covid-19 impacts the body: the bradykinin hypothesis (https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/is-a-bradykinin-storm-brewing-in-covid-19--67876). The hypothesis provides a model that explains many aspects of Covid-19, including some of its most bizarre symptoms (https://elemental.medium.com/every-covid-19-symptom-we-know-about-right-now-from-head-to-toe-bd1d47584096). It also suggests 10-plus potential treatments, many of which are already FDA approved. Jacobson’s group published their results (https://elifesciences.org/articles/59177) in a paper in the journal eLife in early July.

According to the team’s findings, a Covid-19 infection generally begins when the virus enters the body through ACE2 receptors in the nose, (The receptors, which the virus is known to target (https://www.wired.com/story/meet-ace2-the-enzyme-at-the-center-of-the-covid-19-mystery/), are abundant there.) The virus then proceeds through the body, entering cells in other places where ACE2 is also present: the intestines, kidneys, and heart. This likely accounts for at least some of the disease’s cardiac and GI symptoms.

But once Covid-19 has established itself in the body, things start to get really interesting. According to Jacobson’s group, the data Summit analyzed shows that Covid-19 isn’t content to simply infect cells that already express lots of ACE2 receptors. Instead, it actively hijacks the body’s own systems, tricking it into upregulating ACE2 receptors in places where they’re usually expressed at low or medium levels (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7186534/), including the lungs.

In this sense, Covid-19 is like a burglar who slips in your unlocked second-floor window and starts to ransack your house. Once inside, though, they don’t just take your stuff — they also throw open all your doors and windows so their accomplices can rush in and help pillage more efficiently.

The renin–angiotensin system (RAS) controls many aspects of the circulatory system, including the body’s levels of a chemical called bradykinin, which normally helps to regulate blood pressure. According to the team’s analysis, when the virus tweaks the RAS, it causes the body’s mechanisms for regulating bradykinin to go haywire. Bradykinin receptors are resensitized, and the body also stops effectively breaking down bradykinin. (ACE normally degrades bradykinin, but when the virus downregulates it, it can’t do this as effectively.)

The end result, the researchers say, is to release a bradykinin storm — a massive, runaway buildup of bradykinin in the body. According to the bradykinin hypothesis, it’s this storm that is ultimately responsible for many of Covid-19’s deadly effects. Jacobson’s team says in their paper that “the pathology of Covid-19 is likely the result of Bradykinin Storms rather than cytokine storms,” which had been previously identified (https://elemental.medium.com/this-is-how-your-immune-system-reacts-to-coronavirus-cbf5271e530e) in Covid-19 patients, but that “the two may be intricately linked.” Other papers (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7267506/) had previously identified bradykinin storms as a possible cause of Covid-19’s pathologies.

As bradykinin builds up in the body, it dramatically increases vascular permeability. In short, it makes your blood vessels leaky. This aligns with recent clinical data, which increasingly views Covid-19 primarily as a vascular disease (https://elemental.medium.com/coronavirus-may-be-a-blood-vessel-disease-which-explains-everything-2c4032481ab2), rather than a respiratory one. But Covid-19 still has a massive effect on the lungs. As blood vessels start to leak due to a bradykinin storm, the researchers say, the lungs can fill with fluid. Immune cells also leak out into the lungs, Jacobson’s team found, causing inflammation.

And Covid-19 has another especially insidious trick. Through another pathway, the team’s data shows, it increases production of hyaluronic acid (HLA) in the lungs. HLA is often used in soaps and lotions (https://www.allure.com/story/what-is-hyaluronic-acid-skin-care) for its ability to absorb more than 1,000 times its weight in fluid. When it combines with fluid leaking into the lungs, the results are disastrous: It forms a hydrogel, which can fill the lungs in some patients (https://www.azolifesciences.com/news/20200729/Supercomputer-analyses-point-to-a-new-pathway-for-COVID-19-inflammatory-response.aspx). According to Jacobson, once this happens, “it’s like trying to breathe through Jell-O (https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-07-gene-pathway-covid-inflammatory-response.html).”

This may explain why ventilators have proven less effective (https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/21/coronavirus-analysis-recommends-less-reliance-on-ventilators/) in treating advanced Covid-19 than doctors originally expected, based on experiences with other viruses. “It reaches a point where regardless of how much oxygen you pump in, it doesn’t matter, because the alveoli in the lungs are filled with this hydrogel,” Jacobson says. “The lungs become like a water balloon.” Patients can suffocate even while receiving full breathing support.

The bradykinin hypothesis also extends to many of Covid-19’s effects on the heart. About one in five hospitalized Covid-19 patients (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/heart-damage-in-covid-19-patients-puzzles-doctors/) have damage to their hearts, even if they never had cardiac issues before. Some of this is likely due to the virus infecting the heart directly through its ACE2 receptors. But the RAS also controls aspects of cardiac contractions and blood pressure. According to the researchers, bradykinin storms could create arrhythmias and low blood pressure, which are often seen in Covid-19 patients.

The bradykinin hypothesis also accounts for Covid-19’s neurological effects (https://elemental.medium.com/what-covid-19-did-to-my-brain-2c8ee0b64c6e), which are some of the most surprising and concerning elements of the disease. These symptoms (https://www.health.harvard.edu/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-basics) (which include dizziness, seizures, delirium, and stroke) are present in as many as half of hospitalized Covid-19 patients (https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/86926). According to Jacobson and his team, MRI studies in France revealed that many Covid-19 patients have evidence of leaky blood vessels in their brains.

Bradykinin — especially at high doses — can also lead to a breakdown of the blood-brain barrier (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0169409X9500004Q#:~:text=Bradykinin%20is%20a%20ver y%20powerful,-brain%20barrier%20%5B34%5D.). Under normal circumstances, this barrier acts as a filter (https://qbi.uq.edu.au/brain/brain-anatomy/what-blood-brain-barrier) between your brain and the rest of your circulatory system. It lets in the nutrients and small molecules that the brain needs to function, while keeping out toxins and pathogens and keeping the brain’s internal environment tightly regulated.

If bradykinin storms cause the blood-brain barrier to break down, this could allow harmful cells and compounds into the brain, leading to inflammation, potential brain damage, and many of the neurological symptoms Covid-19 patients experience. Jacobson told me, “It is a reasonable hypothesis that many of the neurological symptoms in Covid-19 could be due to an excess of bradykinin. It has been reported that bradykinin would indeed be likely to increase the permeability of the blood-brain barrier. In addition, similar neurological symptoms have been observed in other diseases that result from an excess of bradykinin.”

Increased bradykinin levels could also account for other common Covid-19 symptoms. ACE inhibitors — a class of drugs used to treat high blood pressure (https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/high-blood-pressure/in-depth/ace-inhibitors/art-20047480) — have a similar effect on the RAS system as Covid-19, increasing bradykinin levels (https://cvpharmacology.com/vasodilator/ACE#:~:text=ACE%20inhibitors%20produce%20vasodilat ion%20by%20inhibiting%20the%20formation%20of%20ang iotensin%20II.&text=ACE%20also%20breaks%20down%20bradykinin,vasod ilator%20action%20of%20ACE%20inhibitors.). In fact, Jacobson and his team note in their paper that “the virus… acts pharmacologically as an ACE inhibitor” — almost directly mirroring the actions of these drugs.

By acting like a natural ACE inhibitor, Covid-19 may be causing (https://www.bmj.com/content/368/bmj.m406/rr-27) the same effects that hypertensive patients sometimes get when they take blood pressure–lowering drugs. ACE inhibitors are known to cause (https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/high-blood-pressure/in-depth/ace-inhibitors/art-20047480) a dry cough and fatigue, two textbook symptoms of Covid-19. And they can potentially increase blood potassium levels, which has also been observed in Covid-19 patients (https://medium.com/beingwell/in-some-patients-with-covid-19-the-blood-potassium-levels-are-high-f1ef9f65e9cf). The similarities between ACE inhibitor side effects and Covid-19 symptoms strengthen the bradykinin hypothesis, the researchers say.

ACE inhibitors are also known to cause a loss of taste and smell (https://coronavirus.medium.com/a-new-study-explains-why-covid-19-causes-a-loss-of-smell-e3f9e7082bdd). Jacobson stresses, though, that this symptom is more likely due to the virus “affecting the cells surrounding olfactory nerve cells” than the direct effects of bradykinin.

Though still an emerging theory, the bradykinin hypothesis explains several other of Covid-19’s seemingly bizarre symptoms. Jacobson and his team speculate that leaky vasculature caused by bradykinin storms could be responsible for “Covid toes (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/01/health/coronavirus-covid-toe.html),” a condition involving swollen, bruised toes that some Covid-19 patients experience. Bradykinin can also mess with the thyroid gland (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1665827/), which could produce the thyroid symptoms (https://elemental.medium.com/the-coronavirus-may-mess-with-thyroid-levels-too-87f94e45c5c9) recently observed in some patients.

The bradykinin hypothesis could also explain some of the broader demographic patterns of the disease’s spread. The researchers note that some aspects of the RAS system are sex-linked, with proteins for several receptors (such as one called TMSB4X) located on the X chromosome. This means that “women… would have twice the levels of this protein than men,” a result borne out by the researchers’ data. In their paper, Jacobson’s team concludes that this “could explain the lower incidence of Covid-19 induced mortality in women.” A genetic quirk of the RAS could be giving women extra protection against the disease (https://coronavirus.medium.com/why-do-men-fare-worse-with-covid-19-a5debff87dc1).

The bradykinin hypothesis provides a model that “contributes to a better understanding of Covid-19” and “adds novelty to the existing literature,” according to scientists Frank van de Veerdonk, Jos WM van der Meer, and Roger Little, who peer-reviewed the team’s paper (https://elifesciences.org/articles/59177). It predicts nearly all the disease’s symptoms, even ones (like bruises on the toes) that at first appear random, and further suggests new treatments for the disease.

As Jacobson and team point out, several drugs target aspects of the RAS and are already FDA approved to treat other conditions. They could arguably be applied to treating Covid-19 as well. Several, like danazol, stanozolol, and ecallantide, reduce bradykinin production and could potentially stop a deadly bradykinin storm. Others, like icatibant, reduce bradykinin signaling and could blunt its effects once it’s already in the body.

Interestingly, Jacobson’s team also suggests vitamin D (https://elemental.medium.com/what-black-people-need-to-know-about-vitamin-d-and-covid-19-5bf5885d5288) as a potentially useful Covid-19 drug. The vitamin is involved in the RAS system and could prove helpful by reducing levels of another compound, known as REN. Again, this could stop potentially deadly bradykinin storms from forming. The researchers note that vitamin D has already been shown to help those with Covid-19 (https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3571484). The vitamin is readily available over the counter, and around 20% of the population is deficient (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3126987/#:~:text=vitamin%20D%20deficiency-,The%20prevalence%20of%20mild%2C%20moderate%20and% 20severe%20vitamin%20D%20deficiencies,%25%2C%20and %2026.9%25%20respectively.). If indeed the vitamin proves effective at reducing the severity of bradykinin storms, it could be an easy, relatively safe way to reduce the severity of the virus.

Other compounds could treat symptoms associated with bradykinin storms. Hymecromone, for example, could reduce hyaluronic acid levels, potentially stopping deadly hydrogels from forming in the lungs. And timbetasin could mimic the mechanism that the researchers believe protects women from more severe Covid-19 infections. All of these potential treatments are speculative, of course, and would need to be studied in a rigorous, controlled environment before their effectiveness could be determined and they could be used more broadly.

Covid-19 stands out for both the scale of its global impact and the apparent randomness of its many symptoms (https://elemental.medium.com/every-covid-19-symptom-we-know-about-right-now-from-head-to-toe-bd1d47584096). Physicians have struggled to understand the disease (https://elemental.medium.com/9-things-experts-know-about-covid-19-that-they-didnt-know-then-5f22819807c4) and come up with a unified theory for how it works. Though as of yet unproven, the bradykinin hypothesis provides such a theory. And like all good hypotheses, it also provides specific, testable predictions — in this case, actual drugs that could provide relief to real patients.

The researchers are quick to point out that “the testing of any of these pharmaceutical interventions should be done in well-designed clinical trials.” As to the next step in the process, Jacobson is clear: “We have to get this message out.” His team’s finding won’t cure Covid-19. But if the treatments it points to pan out in the clinic, interventions guided by the bradykinin hypothesis could greatly reduce patients’ suffering — and potentially save lives.


Source: Elemental (https://elemental.medium.com/a-supercomputer-analyzed-covid-19-and-an-interesting-new-theory-has-emerged-31cb8eba9d63)


Note: You were one of the people who thanked that post, so I presume that you must have read it.




Date: 15.10.2020
Thread: Coronavirus with an R0 of 3 or beyond (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/13324-Coronavirus-with-an-R0-of-3-or-beyond?p=842029532&viewfull=1#post842029532)


Source: Yahoo News (https://news.yahoo.com/blood-type-may-affect-severity-172000220.html)




Blood type may affect severity of COVID-19 infection, new study suggests


https://media.zenfs.com/en/the_week_574/d4c94f7acf0196a9c800dc48a3818be9


In a new study published Wednesday, researchers in Canada found that, among 95 critically ill COVID-19 patients, 84 percent of those with the blood types A and AB required mechanical ventilation compared to 61 percent of patients with type O or type B, CNN reports (https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/14/health/blood-group-covid-19-scn-wellness/index.html). The former group also remained (https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/14/health/blood-group-covid-19-scn-wellness/index.html) in the intensive care unit for a median of 13.5 days, while the latter's median stay was nine days.

Dr. Mypinder Sekhon, an intensive care physician at Vancouver General Hospital and the author of the study, said (https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/14/health/blood-group-covid-19-scn-wellness/index.html) blood type has been "at the back of my mind" when treating patients, but "we need repeated findings across many jurisdictions that show the same thing" before anything definitive is established.

It's still unclear what may be behind the possible distinction; Sekhon said (https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/14/health/blood-group-covid-19-scn-wellness/index.html) one explanation could be that people with blood type O are less prone to blood clotting, which can often lead to more severe cases.

Either way, Sekhon doesn't believe blood type will supersede other "risk factors of severity" like age or comorbidities, and he said people should not behave differently based on their group. "If one is blood group A, you don't need to start panicking," he said (https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/14/health/blood-group-covid-19-scn-wellness/index.html). "And if you're blood group O, you're not free to go to the pubs and bars."

Read more at CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/14/health/blood-group-covid-19-scn-wellness/index.html).


Source: Yahoo News (https://news.yahoo.com/blood-type-may-affect-severity-172000220.html)




Below is the CNN article referenced in the article above.


Source: CNN (https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/14/health/blood-group-covid-19-scn-wellness/index.html)




People with blood type O may have lower risk of Covid-19 infection and severe illness, two new studies suggest


(CNN) — People with blood type O may be less vulnerable to Covid-19 and have a reduced likelihood of getting severely ill, according to two studies published Wednesday. Experts say more research is needed.

The research provides further evidence that blood type (also known as blood group) may play a role in a person's susceptibility to infection and their chance of having a severe bout of the disease. The reasons for this link aren't clear and more research is needed to say what implications, if any, it has for patients.


Studies add to growing evidence

A Danish study found that among 7,422 people who tested positive for Covid-19, only 38.4% were blood type O -- even though, among a group of 2.2 million people who were not tested, that blood type made up 41.7% of the population.

By contrast, 44.4% of group A tested positive, while in the wider Danish population that blood type makes up 42.4%.

In the other study, researchers in Canada found that among 95 patients critically ill with Covid-19, a higher proportion with blood type A or AB -- 84% -- required mechanical ventilation compared with patients with blood group O or B, which was 61%.

The Canadian study also found those with blood type A or AB had a longer stay in the intensive care unit, a median of 13.5 days, compared with those with blood group O or B, who had a median of nine days.

"As a clinician ... it is at the back of my mind when I look at patients and stratify them. But in terms of a definitive marker we need repeated findings across many jurisdictions that show the same thing," said Dr. Mypinder Sekhon, an intensive care physician at Vancouver General Hospital and an author of the Canadian study.

"I don't think this supersedes other risk factors of severity like age and co-morbities and so forth," added Sekhon, who is also a clinical assistant professor in the Division of Critical Care Medicine and Department of Medicine at the University of British Columbia.

"If one is blood group A, you don't need to start panicking. And if you're blood group O, you're not free to go to the pubs and bars."


No need to worry

Most humans fall into one of four blood groups: A, B, AB or O. In the United States, the most common blood groups are O and A (https://www.sandiegobloodbank.org/what-most-common-blood-type).

It makes very little difference to most people's daily lives unless you have to have a blood transfusion. Nor should people worry unduly about the link between blood type and Covid-19, said Dr. Torben Barington, the senior author of the Danish paper and a clinical professor at Odense University Hospital and the University of Southern Denmark.

"We do not know whether this is some kind of protection of group O, or whether it's some kind of vulnerability in the other blood groups," he said.

"I think this has scientific interest, and when we find out what the mechanism is, perhaps we're able to use that proactively in some way in regard to treatment."

n the Danish study, researchers analyzed data on Danish individuals who were tested between February 27 and July 30, and the distribution of blood types among those people was compared with data from people who had not been tested. They found that blood group wasn't a risk factor for hospitalization or death from Covid-19.

Both studies were published in the journal Blood Advances.

While there are several theories, researchers don't yet know what mechanism could explain the link between different blood groups and Covid-19.

Sekhon said it could be explained by people with blood type O having less of a key clotting factor making them less prone to coagulation problems in the blood. Clotting has been a major driver of the severity of Covid-19.

Other possible explanations involve blood group antigens and how they affect the production of infection fighting antibodies. Or it could be linked to genes associated with blood types and their effect on receptors in the immune system.

"It's a repeated, interesting scientific observation that really warrants further mechanistic work," he said.


'Important research question'

The findings of the two new studies provide "more converging evidence that blood type may play a role in a person's susceptibility to Covid infection and their chance of having a severe bout of Covid-19," said Dr. Amesh Adalja, senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins University Center for Health Security in Baltimore, who was not involved in either of the studies.

A separate study, published in The New England Journal of Medicine in June (https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2020283), found genetic data in some Covid-19 patients and healthy people suggesting that those with Type A blood had a higher risk of becoming infected, and those with type O blood were at a lower risk.

That previous genetic study, paired with the two new studies in Blood Advances, are "suggestive that this is a real phenomenon that we're seeing," said Adalja, whose work is focused on emerging infectious disease.

"While we're not quite to the point where this is ironclad, it's clearly suggestive, and we have not seen anything inconsistent with this. The same pattern has been emerging with O blood type tending to be the one that's standing out," Adalja said.

Adalja said that blood types and their susceptibility to various infections have been studied in the medical literature before. For instance, research suggests that people with blood type O appear to be more susceptible to norovirus infection.

As for the novel coronavirus that causes Covid-19, "We need to figure out the mechanism and understand it at the molecular level to be able to say for sure how this is occurring -- that this is really the O blood type and not something that kind of tracks with O blood type," Adalja said.

We're starting to see enough now that I think it's an important research question to answer," he said. "There's more science to be done here, but it seems to me that there's more evidence accumulating for this hypothesis."


Source: CNN (https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/14/health/blood-group-covid-19-scn-wellness/index.html)


The two studies (https://ashpublications.org/bloodadvances/article/4/20/4981/464437) were published in the journal Blood Advances.




Date: 25.10.2020
Thread: Coronavirus with an R0 of 3 or beyond (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/13324-Coronavirus-with-an-R0-of-3-or-beyond?p=842030332&viewfull=1#post842030332)


Source: University of Helsinki (https://www.helsinki.fi/en/news/health-news/open-sesame-researchers-discovered-the-second-key-used-by-the-sars-cov-2-virus-to-enter-into-human-cells)




https://www.helsinki.fi/sites/default/files/styles/7_3_huge/public/thumbnails/image/balistreri_neurophilin_1184.png

An artistic representation of how the coronavirus protein 'spike' (in red) could bind to the cellular receptor ACE2 (dark green) and to the newly identified receptor Neuropilin-1 (light blue) on the surface of cells (yellow).



Open Sesame! Researchers discovered the second ‘key’ used by the SARS-CoV-2 virus to enter human cells



To efficiently infect human cells, SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, is able to use a receptor called Neuropilin-1, which is very abundant in many human tissues including the respiratory tract, blood vessels and neurons. The breakthrough discovery was made by a German-Finnish team of researchers led by neuroscientists Mika Simons, Technical University of Munich, Germany and virologist Giuseppe Balistreri, Faculty of Biological and Environmental Sciences, University of Helsinki, Finland.

Why is the new coronavirus so infectious?

“That SARS-CoV-2 uses the receptor ACE2 to infect our cells was known, but viruses often use multiple factors to maximize their infectious potential” says Dr. Giuseppe Balistreri (https://www.helsinki.fi/en/people/people-finder/giuseppe-balistreri-9083486), head of the research group Viral Cell Biology (https://www.helsinki.fi/en/researchgroups/viral-cell-biology) at the Faculty of Biological and Environmental Sciences, University of Helsinki involved in the study. “Unlike the main receptor ACE2, which is present in low levels, Neuropilin-1 is very abundant in the cells of the nasal cavity. This is a strategically important localization possibly contributing to the efficient infectivity of this new coronavirus, which has caused a major pandemic, spreading rapidly around the world”, Balistreri explains.

SARS-CoV-2 infects also the upper respiratory system including the nasal mucosa and consequently spreads rapidly. “This virus is able to leave our body even when we simply breath or talk”, Balistreri adds. “The starting point of our study was the question why SARS-CoV, a coronavirus that led to a much smaller outbreak in 2003, and SARS-CoV-2, spread in such a different way even if they use the same main receptor ACE2”, explains Ravi Ojha (https://www.helsinki.fi/en/people/people-finder/ravi-kant-ojha-9360595), a young researcher in the Balistreri’s team, and one of the main contributors of the study.


A mysterious extra key on the virus surface

To understand how these differences can be explained, in collaboration with the team of Professor Olli Vapalahti (https://www.helsinki.fi/en/people/people-finder/olli-vapalahti-9036651), University of Helsinki, the researchers took a look at the viral surface proteins, the spikes, that, like hooks, anchor the virus to the cells. Balistreri reveals that “when the sequence of the SARS-CoV-2 genome became available, at the end of January, something surprised us. Compared to its older relative, the new coronavirus had acquired an ‘extra piece’ on its surface proteins, which is also found in the spikes of many devastating human viruses, including Ebola, HIV, and highly pathogenic strains of avian influenza, among others. We thought this could lead us to the answer. But how?”

The turning point of the research was when Ari Helenius, Professor emeritus at the ETH Institute in Zurich, Switzerland, and a former mentor of Balistreri, discussed the matter with two colleagues, Estonian cancer biologists Professor Tambet Teesalu ,University of Tartu, Estonia and Professor Erkki Ruoslahti, University of California, the USA. Professor Teesalu knew that the same sequence acquired by the new coronavirus is also present in certain cellular proteins and hormones that use Neuropilin receptors. Already in 2009, Dr Teesalu and co-workers had suggested that “perhaps, similar to our hormones, viruses that have this key can use neuropilin receptors to gain access into human tissues”.

Together, the team of scientists looked at whether neuropilins were important for infection by SARS-CoV-2. The experiments performed by Simons, Teesalu and Balistreri teams, together with colleagues from the University of Queensland, Australia, and other research institutions now¨´support this hypothesis. Interestingly, an independent team of scientists at the University of Bristol , UK, has obtained similar results and confirmed that the virus spike binds directly to neuropilin-1 (Ref. DOI: 10.1126/science.abd3072).


New antiviral strategy in making

By specifically blocking neuropilin-1 with antibodies, the researchers were able to significantly reduce infection in laboratory cell cultures. “If you think of ACE2 as a door lock to enter the cell, then neuropilin-1 could be a factor that directs the virus to the door. ACE2 is expressed at very low levels in most cells. Thus, it is not easy for the virus to find doors to enter. Other factors such as neuropilin-1 might help the virus finding its door”, says Balistreri.

Since disorders in smelling are among the symptoms of COVID-19 and neuropilin-1 are known to be localized in the cell layer of the nasal cavity, the scientists examined tissue samples from deceased COVID-19 patients. “We wanted to find out whether cells equipped with neuropilin-1 are really infected by SARS-CoV-2, and found that this was the case, says Mika Simons, Professor of molecular neurobiology at the Technical University of Munich and co-leader of the study.

Additional studies in mice suggested that neuropilin-1 enables transport from the nasal mucosa to the central nervous system. The animals were administered tiny, virus-sized particles via the nose. These nanoparticles were chemically engineered to link to neuropilin-1. It turned out that after few hours the nanoparticles reached neurons and capillary vessels of the brain, whereas control particles without affinity for neuropilin-1 did not. “We could determine that neuropilin-1, at least under the conditions of our experiments, promotes transport into the brain, but we cannot make any conclusion whether this is also true for SARS-CoV-2. It is very likely that this pathway is suppressed by the immune system in most patients”, Simons says.

Balistreri cautiously concludes “it is currently too early to speculate whether blocking directly neuropilin could be a viable therapeutic approach, as this could lead to side effects. This will have to be looked at in future studies. Currently our laboratory is testing the effect of new molecules that we have specifically designed to interrupt the connection between the virus and neuropilin. Preliminary results are very promising and we hope to obtain validations in vivo in the near future.”


Original publication

Neuropilin-1 facilitates SARS-CoV-2 cell entry and infectivity (https://science.sciencemag.org/lookup/doi/10.1126/science.abd2985), Ludovico Cantuti-Castelvetri et al., Science (2020), DOI: 10.1126/science.abd2985


Source: University of Helsinki (https://www.helsinki.fi/en/news/health-news/open-sesame-researchers-discovered-the-second-key-used-by-the-sars-cov-2-virus-to-enter-into-human-cells)


Happy now? And by the way, all of those words in yellow are actual links that you can click.

[Aianawa]

Very poor that that is all you two can come up with, helpful in that members carrying the cv19 card may now start researching for them selves, your post DT is a huge surprise. Aragorn do you know the meaning of suggest, maybe, probable, likely, is said, might, theory, must n surely ?. Just home and will gladly reply asap, mmm that it so easy to reply positively shows imo how the narrative is losing fast for the putrid ones, really we are all simply in a different boat than them as such, what happened to Cuomo ?.

[Aianawa]

There has been more than enough scientific evidence out already to disprove the idea that Covid-19 is a hoax. If what has already been presented here and all over the globe isn't enough, then nothing will be.

You can't prove to a Fundamentalist that the world is as old as it is no matter the quality or quantity of scientific information provided.

Your 'scientific' challenge, Aianawa, is an empty one at this point.

You have totally missed the points, 1 = a sample as proof, real simple.

2 = Your living 1984, cv19 will pass and another fear program will take it's place.

3 = Mind slavery is tough to know till cracks appear, am pointing out many cracks.

4 = I so wish i was incorrect, completley incorrect.

5 = Are you watching your news atm, how does it feel, how amazing is Biden n co ?.

[Dreamtimer]

What's new here other than absolutely nothing?

Ghengis Khan had a program of fear.

Putin has a program of fear.

Trump had a program of fear.

You have a program of fear.

So what?

You try so hard to bring us into your fear. Why?

It's not enlightenment. Running around, name-calling, dropping pedo accusations ad hoc. What do you think you're doing other than exactly what David Icke talks about?

You're doing the whole problem, reaction, solution thing. Do you not see it?



I have more freedom than ever at this point in life. Granted, Trump and his lackeys nearly screwed the pooch with that one, but they failed. Thank God, Goddess, Sophia, and Sasquatch!


I'm not going to live in your fear where everything is a hoax and a lie.

It's clearly no good. Not for me, anyway.



Feel free to live your life as you see fit. Please stop demanding that others do the same.

[Elen]

What's new here other than absolutely nothing?

Ghengis Khan had a program of fear.

Putin has a program of fear.

Trump had a program of fear.

You have a program of fear.

So what?

You try so hard to bring us into your fear. Why?

It's not enlightenment. Running around, name-calling, dropping pedo accusations ad hoc. What do you think you're doing other than exactly what David Icke talks about?

You're doing the whole problem, reaction, solution thing. Do you not see it?



I have more freedom than ever at this point in life. Granted, Trump and his lackeys nearly screwed the pooch with that one, but they failed. Thank God, Goddess, Sophia, and Sasquatch!


I'm not going to live in your fear where everything is a hoax and a lie.

It's clearly no good. Not for me, anyway.



Feel free to live your life as you see fit. Please stop demanding that others do the same.

Right on Dreamtimer. I have been in that fear-based state as well, then I dragged myself out of it and promised myself never to listen to those kind of things again...it's no better than GOSSIP. Gossip is the lowest form of communication. :chrs:

[Aragorn]

What's new here other than absolutely nothing?

Ghengis Khan had a program of fear.

Putin has a program of fear.

Trump had a program of fear.

You have a program of fear.

So what?

You try so hard to bring us into your fear. Why?

It's not enlightenment. Running around, name-calling, dropping pedo accusations ad hoc. What do you think you're doing other than exactly what David Icke talks about?

You're doing the whole problem, reaction, solution thing. Do you not see it?



I have more freedom than ever at this point in life. Granted, Trump and his lackeys nearly screwed the pooch with that one, but they failed. Thank God, Goddess, Sophia, and Sasquatch!


I'm not going to live in your fear where everything is a hoax and a lie.

It's clearly no good. Not for me, anyway.



Feel free to live your life as you see fit. Please stop demanding that others do the same.

Right on Dreamtimer. I have been in that fear-based state as well, then I dragged myself out of it and promised myself never to listen to those kind of things again...it's no better than GOSSIP. Gossip is the lowest form of communication. :chrs:

I think we've all been in that state to some degree, Sister, when we were first confronted with all the conspiracy theories, the talking heads and the "witnesses". But then you wake up from being "woke". ;)

[Chris]

I think we've all been in that state to some degree, Sister, when we were first confronted with all the conspiracy theories, the talking heads and the "witnesses". But then you wake up from being "woke". ;)

Oh no, the Lizard people got you too!!!

:p

:abduct:

[Octopus Garden]

To most people this disease is a deadly reality. To others it's an entertainment. Sad, isn't it? And they all talk and walk in lockstep---such independent thinkers! LOL.

[Aianawa]

Oh yes i have been there also, rabbit holes i wished i had never seen, fear orientated people collecting their fear wage with mind cults knowingly and unknowingly and it helped me know my own mind.

Let it go yesterday Aragorn but you know i am banned from not only my own cv19 thread but also Chris's, remember, plus my pro trump and an anti trump thread, lol even after he has gone.

You two are amazing, so many samples produced but oh noooo keep on keeping on, whole world is infected n got cv19 but you two cannot and will not be able to produce ?.

Again i feel the whole charade is somehow perfect and positive but i am more than ever nowadays a positive person and yes yes yes indeed i do my best to help people in fear mode to harmony or at least positive intelligent awareness.

[Aianawa]

To most people this disease is a deadly reality. To others it's an entertainment. Sad, isn't it? And they all talk and walk in lockstep---such independent thinkers! LOL.

Wow 201 event had main word with MUST in capital letters > lockstep < prior to cv19 arriving this 201 lockstep event ( yes amazing Polly, hehe even Moddy was falling for her documented the lockstep 4am mainstream news happening ) , again they in trouble because now they are denying event happened, even Gates is denying he created and paid for it, they are actually about F'ed really.

[Aianawa]

What's new here other than absolutely nothing?

Ghengis Khan had a program of fear.

Putin has a program of fear.

Trump had a program of fear.

You have a program of fear.

So what?

You try so hard to bring us into your fear. Why?

It's not enlightenment. Running around, name-calling, dropping pedo accusations ad hoc. What do you think you're doing other than exactly what David Icke talks about?

You're doing the whole problem, reaction, solution thing. Do you not see it?



I have more freedom than ever at this point in life. Granted, Trump and his lackeys nearly screwed the pooch with that one, but they failed. Thank God, Goddess, Sophia, and Sasquatch!


I'm not going to live in your fear where everything is a hoax and a lie.

It's clearly no good. Not for me, anyway.



Feel free to live your life as you see fit. Please stop demanding that others do the same.

I live with a wee bit of fear, not much.

ONE Sample ?????????????

[Dreamtimer]

I may be wrong. I've seen first-hand the effects of denial. Usually people deny things because they are afraid. Sometimes there are other reasons. Your denial feels like it's based in fear to me.



Some folks like to deny reality and rile other people up just because it's fun. But you seem sincere. So I think it's fear.

Another reason people spread half-truths is control. Perhaps you want to control others. You are OK with ad-hoc accusations of pedophilia. Perhaps you just want to be the one controlling the narrative. I don't know.

I personally don't understand why people jump on bandwagons. Whatever the rhetoric of the day is, they glom on.

Today's rhetoric includes accusations of pedophilia, don't believe anything you hear, only alternative sources have any useful information, etc.

When peoples' foundations are undone, they become very easy to manipulate.

You work hard to undo peoples' foundations. This is a tool of fear.

And so I think it's fear.


And we haven't stopped you from doing it.

And you complain of censorship.

Because you likely want to control the narrative.

Maybe it doesn't matter whether fear is involved.

[Aragorn]

https://i.ibb.co/2jLhfjw/image013.jpg

[Aianawa]

Have subway once a fortnite because my son wishes it lol, otherwise little to no fast food, when i was brainwashed, well, ate them all plus washed down with coke.

[Aianawa]

I may be wrong. I've seen first-hand the effects of denial. Usually people deny things because they are afraid. Sometimes there are other reasons. Your denial feels like it's based in fear to me.



Some folks like to deny reality and rile other people up just because it's fun. But you seem sincere. So I think it's fear.

Another reason people spread half-truths is control. Perhaps you want to control others. You are OK with ad-hoc accusations of pedophilia. Perhaps you just want to be the one controlling the narrative. I don't know.

I personally don't understand why people jump on bandwagons. Whatever the rhetoric of the day is, they glom on.

Today's rhetoric includes accusations of pedophilia, don't believe anything you hear, only alternative sources have any useful information, etc.

When peoples' foundations are undone, they become very easy to manipulate.

You work hard to undo peoples' foundations. This is a tool of fear.

And so I think it's fear.


And we haven't stopped you from doing it.

And you complain of censorship.

Because you likely want to control the narrative.

Maybe it doesn't matter whether fear is involved.

Thankyou for not censoring me this time round, am being more carefullll with my spells now though, 4am narrative CONtroll is nowadays being seen by more n more daily and for me , holding hands with God is my main narrative, she is amazing, lllooolll when people's false foundational narrative comes down hopefulllly a positive one may replace it, know thyself once again so so important, knowing we are all Gods choice allows free will and we are free to grapple with invisible fears, a hatefullll past and a hated future with boogies everywhere or the opposite. We also can always have peace because allways God wins.

[Aianawa]

Okay i see it is official in England now, not one flue case in past year, any logical critical thinking members here ?, still not one sample of cv19 available world wide for proof, more lawsuits though.

[Aianawa]

One week later, no sample.

Wonder why the narrative is changing ?.

Pondering why no news of Vac concerns-deaths-suffering ?.

Seeing division not working so well for Weres, Biden keeping all his promises ?.

We up to three masks wearing yet ?.

On n on we go,keep happy n help joyfullll.

[Aragorn]

Okay i see it is official in England now, not one flue case in past year

Bullshit.

[Emil El Zapato]

Well, Aragorn, since you brought it up ... double bullshit ... :) C'mon Aianawa, be for real man ... Never Neverland can be entertaining for awhile but don't you find yourself out of step with something palpable? Something you can FEEL?

[Aianawa]

Hi NAP, feel it is important for members here to produce proof, one sample, not silence someone asking, put down or neg someone saying why can you not produce one sample, whole world not one sample ?, get it NAP, such a simple solution.

Will move forward and allow those naysayers to continue their side salad and 4am feeding trough.

So surprised that even now people will not entertain they have a real bug = CV1984 thats dissapating atm world wide.

Of interest, i have never entertained the nefarious putrids doing the soul harvest thingy but why they injecting brain dead people in rest homes round the world ?.

[Emil El Zapato]

Sure, Aianawa ...

In science it is termed 'trivial' to prove that 1 = 1. Not kidding. But some people can't do it.

[Aragorn]

Of interest, i have never entertained the nefarious putrids doing the soul harvest thingy but why they injecting brain dead people in rest homes round the world ?.

Should those people in the care homes simply all just die of a horrible disease then? And don't those people get visitors who can get infected? And are those people not being cared for by care-giving staff who can get infected and who would from there on go home and infect their families, and the personnel at the shops they go to?

For fuck's sake ─ to use one of your favorite idioms ─ try seeing just a little bit farther than your nose is long. :facepalm:





In science it is termed 'trivial' to prove that 1 = 1. Not kidding. But some people can't do it.

And when it is a well-established and known fact that 1 plus 1 equals 2, then it is up to those who claim that 1 plus 1 equals 6 or that it equals -3 to provide evidence of their claim, not up to the people who know that 1 plus 1 equals 2 to prove that this is how it is. The latter is what we have institutions known as schools for.

[Aianawa]

Sure, Aianawa ...

In science it is termed 'trivial' to prove that 1 = 1. Not kidding. But some people can't do it.

You may not know NAP, science is theory, once proven then not science anymore as such, science became a religion a wee while ago, changing fast that religion now though, you know ? theories being said fact when not sorta F's it up for everyone except the Gates n putrids of our world, lol dr gates lol sciency gates OR is he just carrying on from his daddy n putrids ?.

[Aianawa]

Should those people in the care homes simply all just die of a horrible disease then? And don't those people get visitors who can get infected? And are those people not being cared for by care-giving staff who can get infected and who would from there on go home and infect their families, and the personnel at the shops they go to?

For fuck's sake ─ to use one of your favorite idioms ─ try seeing just a little bit farther than your nose is long. :facepalm:






And when it is a well-established and known fact that 1 plus 1 equals 2, then it is up to those who claim that 1 plus 1 equals 6 or that it equals -3 to provide evidence of their claim, not up to the people who know that 1 plus 1 equals 2 to prove that this is how it is. The latter is what we have institutions known as schools for.

Sure one can look at it that way or just leave them alone, let spirit deal with it and give them love and care ( too many are suffering and dying atm due to vac ) the ones alive in brain n mind hopefully have a choice of yes or no.

One plus 1 = 3 = living maths, i love living maths, think i learnt it from the Ringing Ceders series books, mum plus dad =child = 3 = 1 + 1 = 3. but yip people are still comprehending 0 has energy like other numbers.

[Aianawa]

Imagine how Doctors and nurses etc are feeling as the logic piles up against what they have been fed, tough indeed, now the vac data is a different story so will be interesting how it plays out, horror movie or awakening movie we will see, lets all hope for the best and create a beautifullll future with our thoughts.

[Aragorn]

You may not know NAP, science is theory, once proven then not science anymore as such

Nonsense. Science may ─ and in some fields of science, does ─ incorporate some speculation on account of the unknowns, but the term science in general means having both knowledge and understanding. It has nothing to do with proving some theory. When a theory is proven correct, then that simply eliminates an until hitherto official unknown.

[Aianawa]

Oh mmm yes some may catagorize that wal but mostly theory for 70ish% imo or more, so yes i apoligise you are correct.

[Aragorn]

Oh mmm yes some may catagorize that wal but mostly theory for 70ish% imo or more, so yes i apoligise you are correct.

Mostly theory for 70% or more? You really have no idea what you're talking about, do you? :facepalm:

[Aianawa]

Ps found a sample yet ?

Neither has many doctors and scientesters of either sway

One week and four pages and no sample

What shall we do Aragorn ? , declare the invisible enemy absolutely and completely invisible ?

I heard a rumor that one can make clothes from this invisible enemy, mmm indeed so many emprerors


Mostly theory for 70% or more? You really have no idea what you're talking about, do you? :facepalm:

Oh yes moi does, provide a sample or go away to your echo cv1984 thread please, your sorta trolling, maybe some other mods may help you out, emotional posting not your fortee

[Wind]

And when it is a well-established and known fact that 1 plus 1 equals 2, then it is up to those who claim that 1 plus 1 equals 6 or that it equals -3 to provide evidence of their claim, not up to the people who know that 1 plus 1 equals 2 to prove that this is how it is. The latter is what we have institutions known as schools for.

Are you sure? :ttr:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Euymy1ZXAAQkESc?format=jpg

[Dreamtimer]

I've got some science for you over here (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/12607-Collapse?p=842036281&viewfull=1#post842036281) in the Collapse thread.

Actual published scientific studies are usually a tough read unless it's your specialty. Abstracts can be helpful.

[Aianawa]

I've got some science for you over here (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/12607-Collapse?p=842036281&viewfull=1#post842036281) in the Collapse thread.

Actual published scientific studies are usually a tough read unless it's your specialty. Abstracts can be helpful.

Xlent bring the sample and proof over here and we can let this thread go, also get a full sorry and ask of forgive my sillyness, why did it take soooo longgggg.

[Dreamtimer]

It didn't take long. Studies and science have been posted here for over a year.

Perhaps you were too busy with your own videos, Aianawa?

We haven't just been twiddling our thumbs.

If you were only referring to this thread, that would be silly.

We have a whole thread on the coronavirus.

[Aragorn]

If you were only referring to this thread, that would be silly.

We have a whole thread on the coronavirus.

He was banned from that thread for insisting on derailing it with his conspiracy bullshit. If that now comes around to bite him, then he only has himself to blame. Karma's a bitch. :noidea:

[Elen]

In this case: Karma is a BITCH! :)

[Aianawa]

Still awaiting Sample n proof DT, empty words so far.

[Aragorn]

Still awaiting Sample n proof DT, empty words so far.

Maybe if you made an effort at properly expressing yourself, people would understand you. You want a sample ─ a sample of what? You have been given sound scientific explanations, with loads of links. You want proof ─ proof of what? You have been given countless evidence, while you are the one who should be providing us with proof of your insane claims and conspiracy theory.

Just because you haven't had the chance ─ or the will ─ to get a proper education in the fields of science, and by consequence, that you do not understand proper science, doesn't mean that nobody else does either. You live in this very fuzzy reality bubble in which nothing is certain and everyone has their own truth, except that which has proven to be true. We on the other hand live in the real world, where facts are facts because they have been verified and tested and proven. We understand the science.

If you cannot make peace with that, then fine, and then that is your problem to deal with, but it doesn't change the fabric of reality in the world that the rest of us are living in.

[donk]

............

[donk]

I can’t get through your whole posts Aragorn, I know Verne can’t...at least not without twisting someting

You deleted my post. Made no note of doing such. I think it’s important

He is continuing to call you and Malc out as liars.

I’ve called both of you out on shit I didn’t agree with and it’s still here, and if you took it down I’d understand I’ve disagreed emotionally and aggressively. I am fairly certain neither of you deleted much—if any—of shit plenty peeps would think could be removed

Yeah, I wasn’t eloquent. But what I said what needed to be said

Verne is calling you liars. He can’t stop posting things that directly conflict with the reality you share with us.

It is unacceptable. Either he is lying, or you are. And it is sick you continue let him share your space

...our space?

Shouldn’t be his to use this way

[Aianawa]

Lets say cv19 is real, i admit this, lets say Malc believes i am holding a narrative that is on purpose to create pain and suffering = i am banned, no pissing around, yes Donk ?.

Aragorn appears to be unable to smell a true conspiracey alive theory come proven even and cv1984 wise points to experts ( plenty of experts saying opposite ), my education ( left school at 14 ), not reading government and government science cronies ( especially nowadays they could not give a flying eskimoes blow job about anything out of their reality, especially the cattle n baba's ), A sample Donk will not be given because it cannot be produced hence why lawsuits will win against whomever says they have a sample, illogical is the only answer as 201 lockstep gave conspiracey theory proof, that be why even with total proof, 201 lockstep is being hailed by usual suspects > did not happen < Gates never paid for it <, they screwed even here in New Zealand with lockdowns started again, 51% reached know now and on average most kiwi's were babababa's but it got so illogical, the movie is watched by more n more not in the drama so trauma not happening as much and the Assies will explode soon across the water because yip, getting too illogical, not making sense.

Answer ?, soon another fear stream will be needed, what will it be n how can they stop people seeing it as a movie and move into drama, division etc.

[Dreamtimer]

Your comment was appreciated, donk. It was just a bit too ad hominem. And I would personally like to thank you for your care and your passion.

Please continue to be frank, it's a breath of fresh air.

Malc is nearly a saint, keeping this forum running with everything he has going on in his own life.

When folks can't see behind the scenes, they can't really understand.

[Dreamtimer]

Your question, Aianawa, is too muddled for me to answer.

I don't know what lawsuits you refer to. Your Gates reference is vague. What does your phrase 201 lockstep refer to? Can you explain it? Did you post about it?

The thing about CT is that it undermines the search for truth. It's filled with emotional distraction.

Half-truth and partial truth coupled with emotion and lies. People easily get led down paths and away from the truth.

It's much more fun to chase CT than slog through crap to find the truth.

[Wind]

My eyes start to hurt when ever I try to read Vern's gibberish so these days I hardly even bother to look at his posts. I think you should keep on posting donk as you make sense, but I guess you could tone down the rudeness. Aianawa might be a bit soft in the head, but his heart is in the right place.

[Chris]

Too much rudeness on this thread methinks...

The only question I have is this:

Is the CV19 hoax a hoax? And if the CV19 hoax turns out to be a hoax, who is the hoaxer and what is the benefit to them?

Whoever they are, they seem to have herds of beef with Bill Gates and use the CV19 hoax hoax to paint him with a dark and tainted brush. Methinks their windows PC crashed one too many times and they are now seeking revenge. Probably they are a moderator on a linux forum or something.

Aragorn do you have anything to say for yourself?

[Emil El Zapato]

::eek:)

[Aianawa]

Your question, Aianawa, is too muddled for me to answer.

I don't know what lawsuits you refer to. Your Gates reference is vague. What does your phrase 201 lockstep refer to? Can you explain it? Did you post about it?

The thing about CT is that it undermines the search for truth. It's filled with emotional distraction.

Half-truth and partial truth coupled with emotion and lies. People easily get led down paths and away from the truth.

It's much more fun to chase CT than slog through crap to find the truth.

Event 201 i will google and get some data for you DT.

[Aragorn]

I can’t get through your whole posts Aragorn, I know Verne can’t...at least not without twisting someting

You deleted my post. Made no note of doing such. I think it’s important

He is continuing to call you and Malc out as liars.

I’ve called both of you out on shit I didn’t agree with and it’s still here, and if you took it down I’d understand I’ve disagreed emotionally and aggressively. I am fairly certain neither of you deleted much—if any—of shit plenty peeps would think could be removed

Yeah, I wasn’t eloquent. But what I said what needed to be said

Verne is calling you liars. He can’t stop posting things that directly conflict with the reality you share with us.

It is unacceptable. Either he is lying, or you are. And it is sick you continue let him share your space

...our space?

Shouldn’t be his to use this way

As Dreamtimer said, your defense of our mod team and our forum was appreciated, and the only reason why your post was deleted was that you were going ad hominem. It was just too rude to let it stand. :unsure:





Too much rudeness on this thread methinks...

The only question I have is this:

Is the CV19 hoax a hoax? And if the CV19 hoax turns out to be a hoax, who is the hoaxer and what is the benefit to them?

The CV19 hoax is itself a hoax, but not one intended as banter. It is a knee-jerk reaction, dressed up in vicious lies and ditto allegations, by the paranoid who believe that the whole thing is a plot to take away their freedom, implant them with microchips and introduce something vague and nebulous called "socialism".

:facepalm:


Whoever they are, they seem to have herds of beef with Bill Gates and use the CV19 hoax hoax to paint him with a dark and tainted brush. Methinks their windows PC crashed one too many times and they are now seeking revenge. Probably they are a moderator on a linux forum or something.

Aragorn do you have anything to say for yourself?

I've never really been a Windows user, but I don't particularly like Bill Gates either. Back when he was still running Microsoft, he was an opportunistic predator specialized in foul play and deceit. But that's still a far cry from tying Bill Gates to some ridiculous conspiracy theory that involves vaccinations as a cover for microchipping people.

:noidea:

[Aianawa]

Was second on the page when googled > https://centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/ and this vid > https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-31/event-201-demonstrates-response-to-severe-pandemic-event/11913030?nw=0

Now the nuts m bolts > please listen carefulllly to comprehend >


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t385qlwimw&feature=emb_logo

[Aianawa]

Aware that many here have gone through letting go of thought forms pushed upon us by education, government, woo woo, science, teachers, parents, caregivers, religion etc etc as we grew up, like Gates carried on his fathers work or Trump construction etc, to take on a opposite narrative is very difficult especially if most around one holds the same, Polly here tells us the thought forms from event 201 plus her own thought forms.

Add the CDC's own factual data of 94% cv19 deaths had two or more health conditions, Cuomo n pals rest home murders, Flu's nearly disappearing, false cv19 death certs ( think car accident but had cv19 ) plus so much more, NOW thats just facts found or now in open, ask yourself could there be political or neg power bases out there needing control ?, have people doing what they are told ?, we will continue to find out by watching the movie but be happy, joyful, create laughter, seek joy, this is even more important because it is the real narrative to harmonize with.

[Aianawa]

A big thankyou for not being shut down or banned for again sharing what is not wished to be shared, ta.

[Dreamtimer]

Aragorn's assessment of Bill Gates reflects my own feelings about him.

He has been chosen as the new Soros. Soros is just too old. And you can escape the old tropes with the new guy. Bill is the new 'billionaire socialist funder'.


You don't get banned because people 'don't wish to share', Aianawa.

That's sounds like a kid on a playground. This playground is not for kids.

[Emil El Zapato]

And besides, the woman is out of her mind.

[Dreamtimer]

We already had swine flu, avian flu, SARS, MERS, and more of these viruses are in the 'human activities hopper'.

It makes perfect sense that a simulation run would happen. That's what people do to prepare for potential disasters. It's done with weather and natural events as well. It's called preparation.

Folks in the alternative community have been prepping for decades...


OMG! That must mean they've been part of the conspiracy the whole time! It's been a huge set-up! The preppers are all fake!



This is how the level of reasoning goes.

[Dreamtimer]

I posted this on the coronavirus thread. I will post it here as well.


Event 201 is the fourth such exercise hosted by the Johns Hopkins center, which works to prepare communities for biological threats, pandemics, and other disasters. The simulations started with 2001's Dark Winter, which gathered national security experts for its simulated smallpox outbreak. The groundbreaking event turned out to be influential in shaping U.S. efforts around pandemic preparedness—particularly due to its timing, right before 9/11.

"Dark Winter resulted in more than a dozen congressional hearings, was briefed to the White House, and ultimately influenced the decision to stockpile enough smallpox vaccine for all Americans," Inglesby says.

That simulation and its two successors—Atlantic Storm, conducted in 2005, and last summer's Clade X—have also demonstrated lasting value as educational and advocacy tools, with reenactments or modified versions taking place in settings including universities, the CDC, and Capitol Hill, according to Inglesby. "These exercises have a long fuse," he says.

For Event 201, hosted in collaboration with the World Economic Forum and the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, the experts added a new layer of realism by reaching beyond government and NGOs to leaders in the private sector and business community. Participants included representatives from NBCUniversal, UPS, and Johnson & Johnson.

I see the Gates trigger is present with the latest simulation. That's the fuel for the conspiracy fire. But Gates didn't spearhead the exercises. They're not his baby. His foundation was only involved in the latest one because Johns Hopkins decided to expand the simulation into the private sector.

[Aianawa]

Fair play to you DT and i appreciate you looking into both sides of event 201 lockstep, i as such work for the government so i get both sides whether i like it or not lol.

Ps and yes i will have to wear a mask if told to in certain circumstances and play the game as such, i will be who am i not to be able to be who i am.

[Dreamtimer]

I'd love to just walk around naked. It's so freeing. But I'm not free to do so. Are my rights being infringed upon?

It's a rhetorical question. We are never free to do whatever we want. If we were we'd likely end up hurting others, ourselves and our home.

While we live this life we have no choice but to follow all kinds of rules simply to stay alive. This earthly arena is a challenging one.

So, in my opinion, we should enjoy and take advantage of all the freedoms that we do have and ensure that those around us have them as well.

For me, if a fellow American doesn't feel safe walking around without getting arrested or shot for doing nothing, then I'm not free. Not really. Because my freedom is coming at the expense of someone else.

And when there aren't any more of those folks left, I'll be next.



People plan for events so they don't get blind-sided, be it preppers or Johns Hopkins.

[Aianawa]

Experts


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyGdfTgyhaU