Treason ? or Survival ? or Hoax ?

[Aianawa]

Look 4 yourself n research > https://video214.com/play/ZKnHmFk9gU3Yltuglv1dLQ/s/dark

Just starting some believe n feel.

702's to do with Fisa i think it said, interesting, may be fake or the beginnings of ?

[Aianawa]

Any pro Biden people starting to ponder yet ?. The Fraud so rampant, the silence of your trusted 6corp media regards really important data-info-news, like even pre election laptop biden news ? let alone post election biden fraud.

[Wind]

There's no election fraud.

[Aianawa]

Putrids 4 A reason, Yes Wind the 6corps silent and naying big time, facts killing them once the allowed truth is communicated, soon imo, hehehe you will not be able to miss it let alone disssssmissssss, this was the 2012-12-21 creation, much love to all.

[Aianawa]

So so so slow coming out, many chipping away >


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNX1GpM8izs&feature=emb_logo

[Aianawa]

Interesting twitty read > https://twitter.com/Frankz2137/status/1327988069551771648?s=20

All the differing frauds being collected, lots of digging, much more to help ongoing positive changes happening.

[Aianawa]

EVENTualllly we all head in the same direction > joyous storms lay flat a meaning for why we know and try to know the being of oneself not another, clams claim shipwrecks like love chiselllls n hones thy soul.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbhCPt6PZIU&feature=emb_logo

[Aianawa]

dear o dear


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=639OF1EodAA

[Aianawa]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CE_qOK0S85c&feature=emb_logo

[Aianawa]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMLnHlBe-ic&feature=emb_logo


Dissgusting yes ?, least the facts are coming out.

[Aragorn]

Dissgusting yes ?, least the facts are coming out.

Hey Vern, if the mainstream media are so bad, then how come you keep posting videos from Fox News? They may be fairly right-wing ─ just as you like it ─ but last time I checked, they were still a mainstream media corporation.

Gotta love these double standards... :facepalm:

[Emil El Zapato]

Take one look at the guy and it is obvious that the whole thing is a scam for air time ... it's ridiculous, not to mention that it is Fox news, owned by an Australian guy with an agenda to bring fascism to the United States, if not the world. The false profit is the source of everything disgusting in America today ... he brought the underbelly to life. Sorta like The National Enquirer started with splash pages of people impaled and disemboweled on iron spiked fences. Not a lofty origin.

These people will not ever stop their propaganda spreading. I thought the owner was blind ... is he blind?

John Paul Mac works on Mac's ... too good for TV.

[Amanda]

In Australia when we vote - we have to attend in person. Our name is marked off the list and we are handed voting slips and we vote. If you are not able to attend a voting location on the required date - there are methods for ensuring your vote is included.

If you fail to vote - there is a fine - around the hundred dollar mark I think.

So ...

... why is it the most advanced country in the world has an electronic voting system?

We live in a paradigm where in certain sectors of our global population, there are computer specialists/technicians/scientists who make a sport out of their hacking skills.

Some countries require a thumb print for authentication of the Person voting.

Let's just say I have questions. I am not on any side - I think the chaos on the Earth is very established.

Much Respect - Amanda


NB: Has anyone seen the rear photographs of the new American President - looks sooooooooooooooooooooo much like a still from the movie franchise Hunger Games. I utilise Revelation of Method whenever I watch any movie or television show. Interestingly Revelation of Method is not a subject a person can type into a search engine for a variety of articles.

[Aianawa]

Hey Vern, if the mainstream media are so bad, then how come you keep posting videos from Fox News? They may be fairly right-wing ─ just as you like it ─ but last time I checked, they were still a mainstream media corporation.

Gotta love these double standards... :facepalm:

You have lost me completely Aragorn, am i only allowed to share from certain right msn corporations ?.

I share about corruption from many sources, certain ones like pedo joe's Ukraine corruption or his sons you do not like and cnn etc will not share, so what to do but share from those willing to share the data of that corruption.

[Aianawa]

Take one look at the guy and it is obvious that the whole thing is a scam for air time ... it's ridiculous, not to mention that it is Fox news, owned by an Australian guy with an agenda to bring fascism to the United States, if not the world. The false profit is the source of everything disgusting in America today ... he brought the underbelly to life. Sorta like The National Enquirer started with splash pages of people impaled and disemboweled on iron spiked fences. Not a lofty origin.

These people will not ever stop their propaganda spreading. I thought the owner was blind ... is he blind?

John Paul Mac works on Mac's ... too good for TV.

Part two > still appears kosha to me


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEFiZt76ZZU&feature=emb_logo

[Aragorn]

In Australia when we vote - we have to attend in person. Our name is marked off the list and we are handed voting slips and we vote. If you are not able to attend a voting location on the required date - there are methods for ensuring your vote is included.

If you fail to vote - there is a fine - around the hundred dollar mark I think.

Same thing here in Belgium, although I believe that the obligation to go and vote has now been abolished for municipal elections. Which is of course bogus, because municipal elections are always bundled together with provincial, regional or EU-parliamentary elections, and all of those are at present time still obligatory. So you have to go and vote anyway because of those obligatory branches. Typically Belgian, of course. :rolleyes:


So ...

... why is it the most advanced country in the world has an electronic voting system?

I think you might be misinterpreting the concept of electronic voting, Amanda. You are probably thinking of voting over the internet, but here in Belgium, we too have electronic voting, and that does not comprise voting over the internet.

One has to physically show up at the polling station ─ usually a school building ─ and then you stand in line until it's your turn. You must then hand over your identity card to one of the people sitting at a table ─ these people are citizens from a certain age group, selected by a computer, and they do not have the right to refuse either, at the penalty of a fine that runs into the thousands of Euros ─ and then you get a plastic card with a magnetic strip instead.

Then you wait until there's an available booth, upon which you then go inside the booth and close the curtain behind you. You then insert the card into the computer terminal, and you cast your vote by way of a type of light pen. You then get to see a summary of the votes you've cast in that particular election ─ as I said, you usually have to vote in different polls ─ and you confirm your vote. The computer will then print out a ticket with a QR code.

You then remove the card from the terminal and you take the ticket with you, folded in two so that the QR code is not visible. Then you walk over to a laser scanner, you scan the QR code, and after scanning, you put the ticket into a type of mailbox. And then you hand over the card to the people at the table, and they will return your identity card to you, along with your summons card for the elections, with a stamp that confirms that you've voted.

As I understand it, the computer terminals are themselves not networked. They are standalone machines that are only connected to a power outlet. The scanner that you have to scan your QR code with however is connected to a separate computer system, and the box that you put the ticket with the QR code into after you've scanned it serves as a checking mechanism ─ the number of votes in the box must correspond to the number of voters that the computer system has registered.

The one thing we do not have here and that the USA does have is voting by snail mail. One has to physically show up, or if this is not possible ─ e.g. because you are incapacitated or abroad ─ then you must let the administration know about this in advance, along with evidence regarding the reason why you cannot be present ─ e.g. a doctor's voucher ─ and in case you really do want to vote but you cannot be physically present, the name of the person you're giving the legal authority to vote in your stead. Usually this will be someone from your household.

I think that all things considered, there would be more room for cheating in the counting of the votes that were not submitted electronically. But I could of course be wrong. It's just that according to my information, the electronic voting system used in the USA would be the same ─ and from the same company ─ as what we use here in Belgium.

:noidea:






Hey Vern, if the mainstream media are so bad, then how come you keep posting videos from Fox News? They may be fairly right-wing ─ just as you like it ─ but last time I checked, they were still a mainstream media corporation.

Gotta love these double standards... :facepalm:

You have lost me completely Aragorn, am i only allowed to share from certain right msn corporations ?.

You are constantly saying that the mainstream media are lying and that they are serving an agenda ─ as if your alt-right sources aren't. So why do you make an exemption for Fox News then? Could it not be because they happen to be a right-wing Republican network who are corroborating your right-wing bias?

In case you still don't understand, by posting something from Fox News ─ a mainstream media news outlet, and you say that the mainstream media are all lying ─ you are showing hypocrisy. Because if they're all lying, then how come Fox News suddenly would be a truthful information source? (Which they are not.)


I share about corruption from many sources, certain ones like pedo joe's Ukraine corruption or his sons you do not like and cnn etc will not share, so what to do but share from those willing to share the data of that corruption.

Well, if everyone is suddenly a pedo, then what about pedo Donald's dirty laundry, and that of pedo Rudy Giuliani? Or the pedos from Qanon?

You know, now that I'm thinking about it, I think both pedo Donald and pedo Rudy could be reptilian shape-shifting Satan-worshiping baby-eating communist pedos from the 56th dimension. Neither of them really appears human to me. Hmm...

: Sherlock:



http://www.quickmeme.com/img/2b/2bed4cda93c75ecb3123dd02b7035dadd423830e119a156bce eb55416def1f21.jpg

[Emil El Zapato]

If you thought about my post on logical thinking Aianawa, you will have noticed how 'history' is integral to the entire process:

Fox, Newsmax, and OANN report things that no other news agency in the world reports. All three have a strong history of lying for gain.

Hypothesis: Fox, Newsmax, and OANN are propaganda spreaders, we can expect more propaganda from them.
The plethora of examples as proof are overwhelming and as such need not be spelled out here ... again
Conclusion: It's all bullshit

Either we search for truth or we don't, The eponymous name of this forum is The One Truth (to steal a DT word and then personify its form) :) Sometimes conformity actually makes sense.

[Emil El Zapato]

As far as voting well in the US, the right religiously attempts to suppress votes by limiting voting locations and other accommodations such as drop boxes, etc, yet despite that in the last election a minimum of 150 million people voted. Is Australia a good analogue to voting day logistics in terms of numbers and a desire to get a true voter turnout.

[Emil El Zapato]

Treason? Survival? Hoax? Let us see?!

Incidentally, this guy on PA was complaining about another guy (for posting the below which the complainer thoughtlessly reposted) that has been censored by whatever-his-name-is Ryan for posting polite and serious things to consider on general stuff named Trump ... The first guy re-posted this link and really should be commended/condemned for doing it. I would offer an unqualified thanks. Can people really be that clueless or is it that old 5-d chess thing again.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amBAOAPLj-M

[Aianawa]

lets let go of Trump, too many here with TDS, and look at pedo joe's ( PJ ) track record.

Has pj lied to the usaian people in the past, that would be a better start and may help clear some traumatised minds here by taking TDS out of equation.

[Emil El Zapato]

Of course he has but I'll bet in his 78 give or takes years he hasn't told 30,000+ lies? What do you think, Aianawa?

[Dreamtimer]

Hardcore, calling him a pedo without proof. It's a dangerous game being played, throwing around such severe accusations.

It's the kind of thing that leads to vigilante justice, and the wrong folks getting executed.

How that kind of accusation can be so casually thrown around is beyond my comprehension.

[donk]

Treason? Survival? Hoax? Let us see?!

Incidentally, this guy on PA was complaining about another guy (for posting the below which the complainer thoughtlessly reposted) that has been censored by whatever-his-name-is Ryan for posting polite and serious things to consider on general stuff named Trump ... The first guy re-posted this link and really should be commended/condemned for doing it. I would offer an unqualified thanks. Can people really be that clueless or is it that old 5-d chess thing again.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amBAOAPLj-M

Of course those assholes hate Kody, he’s the best! I am a huge fan, this a quick clip from the one NAP posted. The “movie” he made recently is amazing, you should watch if you enjoy good sarcasm and 90’s movies

https://youtu.be/T_OgH9lbRYs

[donk]

lets let go of Trump, too many here with TDS, and look at pedo joe's ( PJ ) track record.

Has pj lied to the usaian people in the past, that would be a better start and may help clear some traumatised minds here by taking TDS out of equation.

Of course he lies, also has bad policy and loves shitty Republicans, because he pretty much is one. The ped, part...I just have to assume you are a huge pedo, i can’t figure out whatever type of person would throw it around like you do...and since you can, so can I!! Fucking pedo dipshit Verne: Biden sucks, but he’s not as disgusting as Trump and your dumb propaganda.

[Aianawa]

I have read your words and listened to you Donk, Your a good person. Maybe PJ is only a minor attracted person, read about them in my line of work but nude showering with his grandchildren till nine ?, may be ok in his state or city but unlikely, sniffing and hands upon children, with some pushing him away, thats in front of camera's, he been known creep for a long time, outright liar without regret n empathy, i would like to feel Donk that we could both relax and enjoy the movie together, ending soonish, may peace behold you.

[Emil El Zapato]

Hey Donk,

The above post is over an hour long and does cover the 'lighter' side of Trump ... the video is another very good example of laying it out in plain language.

[Aianawa]

Hardcore, calling him a pedo without proof. It's a dangerous game being played, throwing around such severe accusations.

It's the kind of thing that leads to vigilante justice, and the wrong folks getting executed.

How that kind of accusation can be so casually thrown around is beyond my comprehension.

Severe lol, maybe best you keep listening to your news sources and be amazed at how amazing pj is and great for all how his decision making, am sure media will paint a lovely christ like picture for you and never be any real negatives about pj, after 24/7 4 year negatives about ?, how it is not obvious for so-called mind known members here to see the corp 4 am narrative is beyond me, you will get though, we all will.

[Wind]

Please do not post anymore of that Fox "news" horseshit here Aianawa. If you want to poison your mind with it like you already have been doing then by all means do so, but spare the rest of us from it. Also the use of word "pedo" is not well-advised without any proof.

Trump on the other hand has a history of sexual misconducts with women:
https://www.glamour.com/story/a-history-timeline-of-donald-trump-sexual-assault

[Dreamtimer]

It sure would be nice if folks would stop accusing others of being unable to think and analyze and make determinations for themselves.

It's arrogant to assume you know what's going on in another's head.

Amazingly, arrogance leads to stupidity. People think they know what they don't. They end up losing their ability to sort out the BS.

Sad.

[Aianawa]

Indeed.

Hi NAP , fox etc is now poison, spose you feel they need to embrace the truth of cnn, oh and do as pj's handlers chow down too ?

[Aragorn]

Please do not post anymore of that Fox "news" horseshit here Aianawa. If you want to poison your mind with it like you already have been doing then by all means do so, but spare the rest of us from it. Also the use of word "pedo" is not well-advised without any proof.

Trump on the other hand has a history of sexual misconducts with women:
https://www.glamour.com/story/a-history-timeline-of-donald-trump-sexual-assault


It sure would be nice if folks would stop accusing others of being unable to think and analyze and make determinations for themselves.

It's arrogant to assume you know what's going on in another's head.

Amazingly, arrogance leads to stupidity. People think they know what they don't. They end up losing their ability to sort out the BS.

Sad.

Amen to that, and thank you both. :beer: :beer:




Vern, you're a bigot, and you're going to have to stop posting your libelous propaganda or there will be unpleasant consequences.

Up until now, you've been seeing me as your nemesis, the Big Bad Admin™, who "censors you" and who ─ in your very skewed and unrealistic perception ─ must be siding up with the US Democrats because I'm bursting your insane bubble in which Donald J. Trump is the second coming of Jesus, and in which every progressive or even politically neutral person would be a pedophile, a communist, a baby-eating Satan-worshiper and a shape-shifting reptilian from the 78th dimension. But I will tell you what I am not: I am not an American. And neither are you.

Anyway, the truth of the matter is that instead of being your nemesis, I'm actually the one staff member who has been holding back the others with regard to your membership here, because if it were up to the rest of the mod room, then you would already have been temp-banned for at least a week because of your defiance of our official warnings.

That said, I cannot deny that you are indeed ignoring official warning after official warning. Because you are a fanatic. You cannot see reality for what it is, and you also won't relent. You have been brainwashed by the red-pillers and the far-right. And what's even worse than any of the aforementioned is that you simply won't back off. It's the only thing on your mind anymore, from the moment your eyes open up in the morning until you go to sleep.

NotAPretender's video higher up ─ long as it may be, but you don't ever seem to have any objections to videos of well over an hour's length, given how many of them you yourself have already posted here at the forum ─ really sums up very nicely what's wrong with Donald Trump and his entire Qult. And guess what, that video doesn't even come from the mainstream media news networks, while your Fox News video does.

This time I'm not kidding, Vern. Actually, I wasn't kidding earlier either, but I am now going to agree with the judgment of my colleagues in the mod room. It ends here and now, either voluntarily or involuntarily. If I see you post one more propaganda video, link or article, then I'm going to retire your account.

I won't ban you ─ which would mean that you wouldn't be able to read anything on the forum anymore ─ but I will certainly stop you from posting any more of that shit here. You've had four years of ignoring the facts and bedazzling us with wiseguy rebuttals of both our objections and the facts by way of that gibberish lingo of yours that vaguely resembles English but that nobody here understands, and we've all exercised more patience with you than the staff at any other self-respecting forum would have. But now it's over, and I mean it this time.

You know, most people who've read "The Lord Of The Rings" and/or watched the movies regard Frodo as the hero of the story. But the saddest part of the story is that it wasn't Frodo who destroyed the One Ring. It was Gollum, because at the end of Frodo's and Sam's journey up Mount Doom, Frodo refused to destroy the ring, and he put it on his finger, rendering him invisible to Sam. And so it was Gollum, who had been following Frodo and Sam up the mountain, who jumped Frodo, bit off his finger with the ring, and then in his euphoria of being reunited with his Precious lost his balance and, together with the One Ring, fell into the fiery lake below. And Gollum ─ or a creature like him ─ is what Frodo himself was well on his way of becoming, just as that Gollum himself was once a Hobbit named Sméagol, who murdered his cousin Déagol while under the spell of the One Ring and then ultimately became the wretched creature he was. You are Frodo, and you've just shoved the One Ring on your finger while balancing on the edge of the abyss.

The sad part of it all is that I could give you the advice to seek help from an organization specialized in deprogramming former cult members, but that you'd dismiss that in a heartbeat because you don't even realize that you've got a problem. And so my next best advice would be, if you simply cannot resist the urge to post alt-right propaganda, to take it to one of the many alt-right forums, where I'm sure that bullshit will be highly welcomed. But you're not going to be doing it here anymore, my friend. I've worked too long and too hard to turn The One Truth into a high-quality forum, and thanks to you, our active member base has now shrunk to only 26 visiting members per 30 days anymore, of whom only a handful are actually still posting ─ the remaining visiting members have all gone into lurking mode.

You know, over in the mod room of Project Avalon, they have an expression, "suicide by mod". It's an expression the Project Avalon mods use for describing members who are consistently and persistently ignoring official warnings from the moderators in such a way that they appear to actively want to get themselves banned ─ maybe because they can't find the courage within themselves to leave the forum voluntarily.

I am from here on going to be regarding you in the same manner. Either you voluntarily stop what you're doing, or we ourselves will stop you instead, and then our conscience will find solace in the thought that you were effectively looking to get your account retired, and that you will as such be happy that you've attained what you were bargaining for. After all, and as I have now already said several times, we've given you more than enough warnings, so it's not like you didn't know what ignoring us would eventually lead to.

As it is, we haven't reached that point yet, and the ball is now on your side. Your account is still active, and thus, you still have a chance to change your ways, if you can bring yourself to that. If not... Well... :noidea:

[Aianawa]

Thankyou so so much for your truth, once again.

[Emil El Zapato]

Aianawa, my suggestion would be to tone it down in some fashion. I've always had the same attitude but on the other side of the street. It is why I've never managed to stay welcome on any forum that is dominated by thoughts and beliefs that I know/feel are outrageously off the mark. My daughter awhile back made an interesting point about what she heard on some of her favorite media.

Politicians claim they want to unite our separate cultures (in America) and that we should 'appreciate' differences of opinions. My daughter said, "How can we compromise political opinions when they go beyond politics to the heart of our values!". I responded, "God yes, ain't that the truth!". That's my baby ... :)

I understand your stridency, as distressing it is to me. To be really nasty and tell you the bare truth, I think you have been led astray by Modwiz, the difference between you and him (and me) he is able to contrain some of his worst instincts in the interest of survival, where you and I are not.

It might be that you are not suited for this forum and I say that only for your interest and benefit. I'm the same and have been told the same and always at the time thought of the poster, "You ignorant bastard, you dare tell me ... the person who is magnitudes more enlightened and socially adjusted than you, that I don't fit in." And, of course, I've always been proven correct... :)

Long story short, Aianawa ... you have to lighten up ... I think you are a great guy, you have just gone down the incorrect path ... it's never too late to reconsider one's values, rights and wrongs and approach to life. You have to take back your mind and realign with your spirit.

[Aianawa]

Gosh i spose i have not been too positive of late but i live similar to this vid, so may be more due to living in three worlds as such, so apoligises for getting into my not so positive world may be due, even as i type i know that all is purrfect, the anger of members at me, the amazing positive changes in our world, the light shining on putrids etc, pj in control of the free world.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpD0AdcnbRI&feature=emb_logo

Will endevour to be more positive, talk truth without any vids ( sounds likely safest as my truth n facts appear to have people labbelling and feeling very unsafe regards a narrative not theirs ) but keeping positive politiacally pj is going to open usaian borders and this will swell the usaian numbers and melting pot feel, pj is not going to fight off chinese targetting taiwan, so war averted, thats good, pj is moving chess pieces in middle east and this will help keep the peace there also , it is said. So so many positive things happening since he became boss and in such short time, cancelling the previous usaian bosses EO's has made many people happy, being a kiwi and like many other countries world wide, we will all be affected by these positive changes, 17 EO's deleted just like that, paper work down the drain has gotta be good also.

Another positive personnell story from yesterday was i met up with friends and they told me on arrival that they just out of bed after being horribly sick both ends for few days and told not to engage people for 3 further days but it was too late as i had hugged one of them then another before they remembered ( the joy of good friends does this lol ), i laughed at their sorrow and remorse and created a further nitemare by suggesting we all make a feast and cook away we did, it took less than 12 hours for them to show sickness after catching sickness from sick person, we all had a great time and i left late, i knew i would not catch anything and if so i would have it gone pronto, the shamans journey, the mystic selfs journey into our next world early confounds many before they themselves seek to smash their perfect comfortable mould truthin mold and hit the one peddle to shape past death into furthered life. OOOpps sorry, i will call pj the right president and djt the left president from now on, not use names as TDS cannot be denied or calling someone who has not been prosecuted for alledged crimes. So no left or rite vids, no positive or negative name calling, begin being more positive, be quiet if my thoughts are in challenge to anothers truth or could be seen to be rightish too much ( or at all ? ).

This is taking me a lot of time but this forum is important to me and i wish to be able to contribute still, if only to share matt Kahn, tar tar data, Levi n co, i apoligise to Wind also, your far more intelligent than me and though my beliefs constantly change i can see how one would also see me as a broken record regards my truth, to DT dear amazing soul, we split ways a while ago, mostly regards left president and right president, i am not usaian and you and your forbears party may have felt under attack from some kiwi way over there as such, sorry, i know we agree on other topics and know each others are a good soul. To Aragorn, half your post is way way way over my head, with much word putting in my mouth, total missunderstanding of my feelings, my middle name as such is Endure, my tolerence is exceptional, purity escapes me still but integrity holds faith strongly heart wise. So hearing your post n words and also your words regarding fellow members in Mod section are of said same ilk connect of mind, i step off as a Dragon within this lair to release neathunder treasure and breathe fire towards the moon, harey harey we all gather water, we all leave the nest, we all crave release of pain.

Allow love, allow love allow love. I Release though

[Emil El Zapato]

nice words Aianawa and I know how tough it is ... should we be truly ourselves or moderate ourselves so as to not rile the crowd... That's always been a tough call for me, impossible actually. It is a matter of how much we value where we are. :) that value has almost always not been high enough.

[Aianawa]

Surprised only yourself appears to have faith in moi atm NAP, spose triggers take a while to point towards instead of out and that may be also moi's reflection issue.

[Dreamtimer]

When you see pedos, is it a mirror? Are you seeing yourself?

[Dreamtimer]

We do fight pedophilia (https://www.ksl.com/article/46652706/utah-ag-charges-arizona-elected-official-with-felony-human-smuggling) in America. Even when it's a Republican.


SALT LAKE CITY — An Arizona elected official was charged Tuesday by Utah’s attorney general with 11 felonies, including human smuggling, sale of a child and communications fraud, according to court documents.

Paul D. Petersen, an elected county assessor for Maricopa County, Arizona, was charged in 3rd District Court with a pattern of unlawful activity, a second-degree felony; four counts of human smuggling, third-degree felonies; three counts of communications fraud, second-degree felonies; and three counts of sale of a child, third-degree felonies.

Petersen is also an adoption lawyer licensed in Utah and Arizona, according to the Utah attorney general’s office. Officials originally said he was arrested in California but later clarified he was arrested in Arizona.

[Aragorn]

When you see pedos, is it a mirror? Are you seeing yourself?

Calling someone a pedophile ─ even if there is no evidence of such ─ makes it easier for people to hate that person. That was the trick Qanon used for vilifying El Donaldo™'s political enemies. Nobody likes pedophiles, and while some people may find cannibalism not quite as repulsive as a concept, if you accuse your adversaries of eating babies, it becomes a whole different story, doesn't it?

Trump's political adversaries during the run-up to the 2016 elections were all US Democrats, except for George Bush Sr., who was of course a US Republican, but he had openly denounced Donald Trump and supported Hillary Clinton. So Q made them all out to be pedophiles. Bush Sr., both of the Clintons, John Podesta, all of them were pedos. Of the baby-eating and Satan-worshiping variety. Pizzagate™, anyone?

Oh, and they were also communists. And shape-shifting reptilians from the 88th dimension, albeit that the far-right has already long been using the reptilians as a metaphor for the Jews, so that they ─ the far-right, that is ─ would be able to freely vilify the Jews without literally referring to them and thus risking a conviction over hate speech.

If there are two things the far-right has never had any moral objections to, then it's slander and the sowing of hatred.

[Dreamtimer]

Many folks have worked hard to turn liberal into a bad word. And they've succeeded. The Qanon crowd has been targeting and threatening liberals for nothing other than being liberal.

It's very dangerous.

[Emil El Zapato]

An unfortunate truism is that where you find kids you will find pedos. What's bothersome is the hypocrisy of the right. If you can call it hypocrisy, it is another of the rightist traits that transcend the connotation of the word.

The 'hypocrisy' is sourced from the double-bind nature of the 'conservative' culture. Intractable social cuing engenders a loss of self with which in absence of self only leaves one outlet for the subconscious urge to become a better soul/spirit/human being. To look around and outside of oneself is the only reality that seems to exist and that is consciously manageable to the lost one. And, oh my goodness gracious there is so much evil 'out there'.

Our society cannot move forward until aware parenting is the norm even while that kind of parenting has not been the norm for millennia. Likely the neanderthals were the last species to understand that. And they likely were only fledgling enlightened ones having predated the supremacy of the ego.

All of that has been eloquently discussed by Teal Swan, the gifted psychologist.

[Emil El Zapato]

Many folks have worked hard to turn liberal into a bad word. And they've succeeded. The Qanon crowd has been targeting and threatening liberals for nothing other than being liberal.

It's very dangerous.

yeah, it is one of those things that normal people have difficulty even identifying. The out of the blue perversion of one's principles, a.k.a. projection and 'some' people simply have a beautiful combination of brain wiring and socialization to master the art.

I worked with a group of right-wingers as a student (I eventually lost that job because I was a liberal, long story) and the elementary school age kid of one of them (a manager who constantly lied to the company owner, yet was in control) would always say, "you liberal". My manager, his father would always shush him as though it was a bad word and in those days it was (Rush Limbaugh).

I always found it ironic, really, but it was then that I started to sharpen my skills and taking a long hard look at what was happening to our society. What I saw was not only distressing but scary, The Reagan era really saw the beginnings of what we have become, incipient then and now fully flowered fascism.

[Dreamtimer]

I used to so a lot of day care and baby sitting. I was fortunate to not see children who were abused. Very fortunate.

I really miss the kids and wish I could spend more time with little children. But I can't just go to parks or whatever to watch them because then I'd be a weird creeper. I'm a woman so I'd get more leeway, but it's still weird.

And my family is so far from me that I can't really go visit my cousin's children.

I guess I just have to wait to be a grandmother.

:shocked: Using that word to describe myself...

[Aragorn]

Many folks have worked hard to turn liberal into a bad word. And they've succeeded. The Qanon crowd has been targeting and threatening liberals for nothing other than being liberal.

It's very dangerous.

Well, what can you expect from a political ideology based upon intolerance and hatred? Because that's what the far-right is. It's the ultimate anti-intellectual movement.

We've all seen just how dangerous it has become when those pea-brained morons ─ among whom off-duty police officers ─ stormed the Capitol ─ and got in with the help of on-duty police officers ─ and smeared human feces all over the place. Which does beg the question whether they brought it with them in a potty or whether they relieved themselves on the premises. (No, don't answer that. :p)

Either way, they are all craving for an authoritarian leader, a military dictatorship and public executions ─ the gallows was already set up for Mike Pence, and in one of the videos you can hear one of those rednecks call out for a guillotine. They want blood. And if you then realize that one quarter of the US American population voted for Trump, and you combine that knowledge to the quasi-unregulated possession of firearms in the US, then you will easily come to see how the Biden administration might be facing a slight problem.

:blink: :unsure:

[Emil El Zapato]

lol ... this will make you feel better ... my younger brother became a grandfather at age 32. :)

[Dreamtimer]

The irony is stunning. The same people who deny evolution and say they don't come from monkeys go to the Capitol and smear feces and urine.

Like monkeys.

[Aragorn]

The irony is stunning. The same people who deny evolution and say they don't come from monkeys go to the Capitol and smear feces and urine.

Like monkeys.

Well, they didn't come from monkeys. They evolved from incestuous cabbages. :p

[Emil El Zapato]

And they were all found in baskets out in the cabbage patch? I remember as a very young child asking my parents where I came from and both of them would say they found me in a basket in the garage. :) That was a very honest answer.

[Dreamtimer]

This is my fav:

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fkeithroysdon.files.wordpress.com% 2F2011%2F09%2Fcalvin-blue-light-special.gif&f=1&nofb=1

[Aianawa]

When you see pedos, is it a mirror? Are you seeing yourself?

FFS please let it go before your the problem instead of me DT, the future is looking so so bright.

If it helps DT, i am sorry to have offended you, your party and you election choice, plus i do forgive you for the carrying on n yes still letting go myself DT but the power is NOW.


Calling someone a pedophile ─ even if there is no evidence of such ─ makes it easier for people to hate that person. That was the trick Qanon used for vilifying El Donaldo™'s political enemies. Nobody likes pedophiles, and while some people may find cannibalism not quite as repulsive as a concept, if you accuse your adversaries of eating babies, it becomes a whole different story, doesn't it?

Trump's political adversaries during the run-up to the 2016 elections were all US Democrats, except for George Bush Sr., who was of course a US Republican, but he had openly denounced Donald Trump and supported Hillary Clinton. So Q made them all out to be pedophiles. Bush Sr., both of the Clintons, John Podesta, all of them were pedos. Of the baby-eating and Satan-worshiping variety. Pizzagate™, anyone?

Oh, and they were also communists. And shape-shifting reptilians from the 88th dimension, albeit that the far-right has already long been using the reptilians as a metaphor for the Jews, so that they ─ the far-right, that is ─ would be able to freely vilify the Jews without literally referring to them and thus risking a conviction over hate speech.

If there are two things the far-right has never had any moral objections to, then it's slander and the sowing of hatred.

Am assuming, so hopefully i am incorrect, this your post is directed at me Aragorn , if so , please also move forward and not drag me backward and if not directed at me, sorry.


Well, what can you expect from a political ideology based upon intolerance and hatred? Because that's what the far-right is. It's the ultimate anti-intellectual movement.

We've all seen just how dangerous it has become when those pea-brained morons ─ among whom off-duty police officers ─ stormed the Capitol ─ and got in with the help of on-duty police officers ─ and smeared human feces all over the place. Which does beg the question whether they brought it with them in a potty or whether they relieved themselves on the premises. (No, don't answer that. :p)

Either way, they are all craving for an authoritarian leader, a military dictatorship and public executions ─ the gallows was already set up for Mike Pence, and in one of the videos you can hear one of those rednecks call out for a guillotine. They want blood. And if you then realize that one quarter of the US American population voted for Trump, and you combine that knowledge to the quasi-unregulated possession of firearms in the US, then you will easily come to see how the Biden administration might be facing a slight problem.

:blink: :unsure:

Have been keeping away from the trailer trash news rite n left, can you sauce up n serve the source on the poo drama please ( and yes first have heard that said ) ?.

[Wind]

lol ... this will make you feel better ... my younger brother became a grandfather at age 32. :)

Was he aiming for the Guinness world records or what?

[Aragorn]

Calling someone a pedophile ─ even if there is no evidence of such ─ makes it easier for people to hate that person. That was the trick Qanon used for vilifying El Donaldo™'s political enemies. Nobody likes pedophiles, and while some people may find cannibalism not quite as repulsive as a concept, if you accuse your adversaries of eating babies, it becomes a whole different story, doesn't it?

Trump's political adversaries during the run-up to the 2016 elections were all US Democrats, except for George Bush Sr., who was of course a US Republican, but he had openly denounced Donald Trump and supported Hillary Clinton. So Q made them all out to be pedophiles. Bush Sr., both of the Clintons, John Podesta, all of them were pedos. Of the baby-eating and Satan-worshiping variety. Pizzagate™, anyone?

Oh, and they were also communists. And shape-shifting reptilians from the 88th dimension, albeit that the far-right has already long been using the reptilians as a metaphor for the Jews, so that they ─ the far-right, that is ─ would be able to freely vilify the Jews without literally referring to them and thus risking a conviction over hate speech.

If there are two things the far-right has never had any moral objections to, then it's slander and the sowing of hatred.

Am assuming, so hopefully i am incorrect, this your post is directed at me Aragorn , if so , please also move forward and not drag me backward and if not directed at me, sorry.

No, it was not directed at you, Vern. What I wrote there is simply the truth. It's a propaganda technique, i.e. if you want the people on your side, then depict your adversaries as the most evil, most foul thing that ever existed. And that's exactly what the far-right has been doing for decades already. In Nazi-occupied territory during World War II, the Nazis were spreading cartoons in which the Jews were all depicted as ugly, unkempt thieves.



Well, what can you expect from a political ideology based upon intolerance and hatred? Because that's what the far-right is. It's the ultimate anti-intellectual movement.

We've all seen just how dangerous it has become when those pea-brained morons ─ among whom off-duty police officers ─ stormed the Capitol ─ and got in with the help of on-duty police officers ─ and smeared human feces all over the place. Which does beg the question whether they brought it with them in a potty or whether they relieved themselves on the premises. (No, don't answer that. :p)

Either way, they are all craving for an authoritarian leader, a military dictatorship and public executions ─ the gallows was already set up for Mike Pence, and in one of the videos you can hear one of those rednecks call out for a guillotine. They want blood. And if you then realize that one quarter of the US American population voted for Trump, and you combine that knowledge to the quasi-unregulated possession of firearms in the US, then you will easily come to see how the Biden administration might be facing a slight problem.

:blink: :unsure:

Have been keeping away from the trailer trash news rite n left, can you sauce up n serve the source on the poo drama please ( and yes first have heard that said ) ?.

I don't save any such links, Vern, but it's all over the news. It shouldn't be too hard for you to find with the search engine of your choice ─ I recommend DuckDuckGo (https://www.duckduckgo.com/), because unlike Google, they don't track you.

[Aianawa]

Okay, sorry Aragorn. So antifa groups or most of them are Nazi's as they were doing as they did, and recently they are attacking democratic buildings also, i seen on fox and cnn so very likely true as coming from both sides but then that makes them sorta 3rd partyish ? yes ?.

[Aragorn]

Okay, sorry Aragorn. So antifa groups or most of them are Nazi's as they were doing as they did, and recently they are attacking democratic buildings also, i seen on fox and cnn so very likely true as coming from both sides but then that makes them sorta 3rd partyish ? yes ?.

Antifa are definitely not Nazis, but some of their members are behaving violently, which ─ deservedly ─ brings these members under the terrorism label. And in that, these violent people are then casting a shadow on Antifa as a whole.

The rotten apples in the basket, and all that.



P.S.: Please don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that the left-wing doesn't use propaganda. As the matter of fact, the far-left has also spread quite a lot of propaganda, and most notably in the 1960s ─ Vietnam, the Soviet Union, Communist China, et al. Propaganda in and of itself is neither left-wing nor right-wing. It is merely information which is intended to be manipulative and which may or may not incorporate lies to achieve its intended purpose. But right now, in this day and age, the far-right is engaging far more in propaganda techniques than anything on the left.

[Aianawa]

Okay, am getting mixed messages , Kathy has a thread with Clif High vids and on the first one, it is saying that antifa and BLM are fighting each other, so maybe two opposing terrorist parties fighting each other , with one being democrat and one being republican ? yes.

[Aragorn]

Okay, am getting mixed messages , Kathy has a thread with Clif High vids and on the first one, it is saying that antifa and BLM are fighting each other, so maybe two opposing terrorist parties fighting each other , with one being democrat and one being republican ? yes.

Kathy has a habit of posting videos before actually watching them, and I myself don't pay any attention to what Clif High says. To me he's just another YouTube talking head. :noidea:

That said, I don't think either Antifa or the Black Lives Matter movement would be Republican. Neither movement is necessarily partisan to the US Democrats, but one should definitely regard the both of them as left-wing, and therefore I think it's unlikely that there would be US Republicans among either of them.

[Aianawa]

Love the science of Clif High plus his intuition n perception. lol so left is not democrat or nessasarily democrat or president right, mmm i get that.

[Dreamtimer]

Calvin and Hobbes was in color too.

Not everything is black and white.

I.e. if you don't believe so-and-so is a pedo, you must be an antifa worshipper.

Bunk. Nonsense. Malarkey.

[Aragorn]

Love the science of Clif High plus his intuition n perception. lol so left is not democrat or nessasarily democrat or president right, mmm i get that.

I've watched some of his scientific explanations, but he's quite often wrong. And as for the US Democrats, as a whole, their policy is neoliberal, which still puts them to the right of what is internationally considered the political dead-center. So as a party, they are most definitely not socialist, even though they do have socialists among their members.

Bernie Sanders for instance is a socialist. And that's exactly why they've shoved him aside ─ for the second time now ─ in the run for becoming the Democratic presidential candidate. It was clear from the start that the Democratic National Committee did not want a socialist in the White House, and that they wanted Joe Biden to run for president, which is why all other candidates ─ including Marianne Williamson ─ were either pushed or forced out of the race. It has even leaked out to the press that the Democratic super delegates had all vowed to vote against Bernie. And that's because the Democratic Party not only has a more progressive wing, but also a more conservative wing, among which you will find both Bill and Hillary Clinton. And the conservative wing of the Democrats has always had things their way, because they're the dominant half of the Democratic Party, and on the political horizon, they sit only marginally closer to the center than the Republicans.

Likewise, you will also find both more moderate people and more extreme people among the Republican party. The neocons (e.g. G.W. Bush and Dick Cheney) for instance are very far to the right, and even farther than them you will find the Tea Party members (e.g. Sarah Palin) and the white-supremacists.

It's not like there's unity among the members of either party. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are among the centerline members of the Democratic Party ─ which in comparison to political values in the rest of the world still puts them slightly to the right, although by American standards they are considered dead-center. Or extreme-left-wing communists, pedophiles, reptilians and Satan-worshipers, depending on which right-winger you ask for an opinion on them, of course. :rolleyes:

[Dreamtimer]

Crimers gonna crime.


While the public has flooded authorities with more than 200,000 pieces of digital media to review, Assistant FBI Director Steven D'Antuono said investigators continued to appeal for help in the search for the suspect or suspects who planted pipe bombs at the headquarters of the Republican and Democratic national committees.





As investigators picked apart tips, video, social media information and other leads for hundreds of distinct case files, D.C.’s Acting U.S. Attorney Michael Sherwin said he expected that his office would bring more conspiracy, sedition and assault on law enforcement charges against Capitol attackers.

[...]

“There’s no manpower issue here, we have no issues with the court,” Sherwin said at one point, seemingly refuting a report that authorities were considering not charging certain individuals involved in the siege.

“These numbers are on a steep incline.”



An FBI agent’s affidavit on the trio noted that one Oath Keeper, Thomas Edward Caldwell, allegedly received Facebook messages during the attack directing him to tunnels under the Capitol, where members of Congress were thought to be.

“All members are in the tunnels under capital seal them in,” one message read. “Go through back house chamber doors facing N left down hallway down steps,” said another.

“That [case] was of note because it shows militia groups actively involved in planning and breaching the Capitol,” Sherwin said of the Oathkeepers.


There is no entitlement to vigilante justice.


It's a code, not guidelines:


U.S. Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter liked to say, “Never paraphrase a statute!” So here’s what U.S. law says now about the crime of “seditious conspiracy”:

“If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.”

[Emil El Zapato]

Was he aiming for the Guinness world records or what?

:) ... not sure but it was a genuine mess I'll tell you that. it's a long story and oh, what the hell, no ... what the hell that what the hell. There will be an occasion to tell that story, I probably have before. :)

[Emil El Zapato]

American politics is what it is ... they all bid for the sentiments of the people that will win them elections. I think the country is inexorably inching toward the left.

To coin a paraphrase from H.G. Wells: "Despite the eddying of the river, the current is flowing in one direction". LOL, wow that is a really bad paraphrase.

There is a reason some writers produce classics. It is because they are so damn good at turning a phrase.

[Aianawa]

Am very happy with the landscape now that Trumpy is not getting smashed 24/7 and new kids on the block appear to be doing so so well, have not heard a bad thing about president left and his people or president right and his people, the conspiracy that president right had dementia and Kamala would be taking over asap does not seem to be correct, the conspiracy that China/putrids/tptW is running USAian peoples is obviousely incorrect as we are told most Usaians are very happy how things are going atm, all very positive indeed. Trumpy being so quiet is interesting, one ponders.

Rumores of the need to wear 3 masks nowadays because this will assist stopping the spread is also so so interesting because soon not being able to breathe at all due to too many masks will be the case but i will not argue with the science on this.

Oh and butt swabbing will soon be the new thing, no kidding.

[Wind]

I'm not a fan of Biden, but it looks like he already has been trying to clean things after Trump. I'm not sure if that can be called draining the swamp, but Trumpster sure as hell was widening the toxic swamp and he was probably the biggest swamp creature out there. Once again only time will tell how the current POTUS will be, I don't have high expectations for Biden and his corporate overlords. However, if he doesn't take the US into any more senseless wars or bomb the shit out of people like Obama then maybe, just maybe he might be a decent leader. To be honest Trump has set the bar so low that even a chimp in the office could do better than him.

[Aianawa]

See it is difficult to let go of pain, past pain done by Trumpy but you gotta let it go Wind, will destroy you otherwise. Gosh he is gone and he be living rent free in your head and you n others still spouting your pain and ridacule, am trying to be an example and move out of the past n into the positive future.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVVTZgwYwVo&feature=emb_logo

[Aragorn]

[...] the conspiracy that president right had dementia and Kamala would be taking over asap does not seem to be correct [...]

Well, there is either way something to consider here, and that is Joe Biden's age. He's 78 years old already, going on 79, which means that by the time of the 2024 elections, he'll already be close to 83 ─ his birthday is 20 November. So if he's still alive by then, then there's no guarantee that he'll also go for yet another four years if re-elected.


Rumores of the need to wear 3 masks nowadays because this will assist stopping the spread is also so so interesting because soon not being able to breathe at all due to too many masks will be the case but i will not argue with the science on this.

I haven't heard that rumor yet, but it either way makes no sense. It's already hard enough to breathe with only a single mask.


Oh and butt swabbing will soon be the new thing, no kidding.

Yep, I read about that yesterday. The Chinese are introducing that, and it'll probably blow over to the West as well. :facepalm: They can keep it. I'd rather voluntarily quarantine myself ─ I've already done that twice now ─ but ain't nobody gonna come near my ass with none o' them swabs, no Siree! If they so much as even try, I'll fart right up their noses to the tune of the shark attack in "Jaws"! :p

:ha:

[Wind]

I wonder if that would literally make people butt-hurt.

[Dreamtimer]

No ifs, ands, or butts about it.

I have no desire to be field stripped. :shocked::ttr:



Here's something that happens when you allow yourself to be led down a garden path,

Oklahoma trying to return its $2m stockpile of hydroxychloroquine


In April, Gov. Kevin Stitt, who ordered the hydroxychloroquine purchase, defended it by saying that while it may not be a useful treatment for the coronavirus, the drug had multiple other uses and “that money will not have gone to waste in any respect.”

But nearly a year later the state is trying to offload the drug back to its original supplier, California-based FFF Enterprises, Inc, a private pharmaceutical wholesaler.

Alex Gerszewski, a spokesman for Oklahoma Attorney General Mike Hunter, told The Frontier this week that the AG’s office was working with the state health department “to try to figure out a solution.”

Source (https://www.readfrontier.org/stories/oklahoma-trying-to-return-its-2m-stockpile-of-hydroxychloroquine/)

[Emil El Zapato]

Here's the thing...none of it will matter. Biden will be castigated eventually ... hell, they crucified Jesus Christ. Money and Power want to retain money and power, the poor want to be moneyed and powerful and have food to eat. The struggle is not a political one; that will never be resolved. The problems lay in the minds and hearts of the people. Yeah, we're screwed.

[Aianawa]

No no no NAP, we are on a positive path, a non Trump path to an amazing world.

[Aragorn]

No no no NAP, we are on a positive path, a non Trump path to an amazing world.

But the path is long, winding, and covered in shards of glass. That amazing world is still very far away, and humanity has a way of putting up speed limits everywhere, and then lowering them all the time. :unsure:

[Wind]

It doesn't look too rosy to me either.

[Dreamtimer]

We have folks being elected to office who want to shoot and hang other elected officials.

When I was growing up my Dad told me that one of the beautiful things about America is that we settle our disputes in the courts and through legislation, not by shooting each other.

People don't have to be afraid to go shopping or to their jobs.


Ahh, the golden years.

I'm very glad my Dad has passed so that he doesn't have to witness the destructive road his party has gone down. He doesn't have to witness his son being in full blown denial.

And most importantly he didn't have to see his Capitol besieged by seditious members of his own team which he was so loyal to.

He would have been in tears.

[Dreamtimer]

What will the witnesses say? The same folks who wanted them before suddenly don't now. I wonder why?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZxJ0bbduZU

For once, doing what's best for the country would be what's best for the party. How 'bout just doing it?

[Dreamtimer]

Mike Lofgren was a long-time Republican Congressional staff member.


Mike Lofgren, a former Republican congressional staff member of 28 years, began warning about the danger of the GOP in 2011, even going so far as to condemn his longtime party as a "death cult." Before his retirement, Lofgren worked in both the House and Senate as a specialist staffer for national security affairs, tasked with analyzing Pentagon budget requests and preparing military-related legislation.


The unique combination of Lofgren's historical expertise and his long career in the "boiler room" of legislative politics, as he calls it, put him in the perfect position to see the destructive monstrosity that Republicans and their far-right allies have created. He has detailed his analysis and experience in two books, "The Party Is Over: How Republicans Went Crazy, Democrats Became Useless and the Middle Class Got Shafted" and "The Deep State: The Fall of the Constitution and the Rise of a Shadow Government."

With that latter title, by the way, Lofgren was not gesturing toward the conspiracy-theory delusion currently popular among Trump supporters. Rather, he meant "deep state" as an umbrella term for the lobbying firms, corporate donors and military-industrial complex that have a stranglehold on American public policy.


In Mark's own words:



I worked for three decades in Congress. Regardless of how peeved I might have been over some policy or another, I was proud of my public service. To see the place trashed like that, and I mean really desecrated — there were people shitting on the floor, and smearing it on the walls. The insane violence of a mob beating a cop with a fire extinguisher and shoving him down the marble stairs was horrifying. At the same time, once the mob was dispersed, they went throughout the D.C. metro area randomly beating up people whom they could victimize. Later that afternoon, my daughter, who does not live in D.C. but in Arlington, across the river, was out walking her dog, and saw these thugs spewing out of the Metro station like toxic waste. She had to do a 180. Arlington was placed under curfew that night. All these occurrences, including having to worry about my own family's safety, left some pretty vivid impressions, to say the least.


In terms of the larger picture, at least three allied European intelligence agencies believe that Trump fomented the mob because he could not get the military to assist him. They have suggested there was at least some degree of collusion with federal law enforcement.

I hadn't really thought much about it but I imagine the European intelligence agencies have had a very close eye on us these last four years.


[T]hat view is reinforced by a former senior official on Trump's National Security Council — Fiona Hill, whom everyone should recognize from the Russiagate testimony she gave. She believes that Trump was consciously trying to trigger a coup using the military, and that the intervention from 10 former secretaries of defense may have prevented it.


We now know that the Republican Attorneys General Association sent out robocalls the day before, encouraging people to descend on the Capitol. Republican dark money financed the rioters, gave them bus tickets and chartered the transportation. Dark money is the so-called 501(c)(4) organizations with anonymous donors, that Republicans on the Supreme Court claim is such a wonderful idea for freedom.

I've been pointing out the projection. They scream about buses because that's what they do.


Finally, two-thirds of House Republicans voted to nullify the results of legitimate elections that had been recounted multiple times and survived many court challenges. They did this a few hours after the entire place was vandalized and everybody's lives were in danger.

THEY HAVE NO HONOR.


The approach has to be, first, governmental, with laws and the application of those laws, but also socially, by boycotting and putting pressures on corporations.

People know this. That's why they're crying like babies over 'cancel culture' and 'censorship'.

Because they themselves used these tactics to gain their societal dominance. They just don't want to use it. They wanted to 'let markets speak' before. They don't now.

Of course.


I've learned that the chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee [Rep. Bennie Thompson of Mississippi] is demanding that Josh Hawley and Ted Cruz be placed on the no-fly list. See, there are many tools available. Republicans are so fond of antiterrorist laws: I say, let's use them against Republicans who advocated violence. We can use civil and criminal RICO statutes to confiscate the money of GOP organizations that fund violent extremism.


A plain reading of the 14th Amendment...is a pure finding by Congress that they are committing insurrection, and are barred from holding office. The beauty of it is that it requires only a simple majority in each house, whereas impeachment requires two-thirds in the Senate to convict, and knowing Republicans as I do, we may not get two-thirds. The 14th does require, however, two-thirds to lift the ban and reinstate their right to run for office. So there is a bigger hurdle to relieve them of the ban than to punish them.


All of this is necessary because going easy on these people — holding their hands, giving them a cup of tea and trying to understand them — will not work. They take it as weakness and a sign that they will prevail. If people are supporting violent overthrow of the government, I see no reason — morally, politically or practically — why our society should not ostracize them.

There's more (http://https://www.salon.com/2021/01/16/longtime-gop-insider-mike-lofgren-on-his-former-party-going-easy-on-these-people-will-not-work/?fbclid=IwAR3MqCIOhns8niCtEu_cO4_-bdqq5dUOrzh9fnQ-YLmjgfsVr389T4ZysZQ).

[Dreamtimer]

There was a nice black and white photo taken of McCarthy visiting Trump at Mar-a-Lago:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Es5voQQXAAAfIc2?format=jpg&name=large

I'm sure his loyalty will really bring a payoff!

[Dreamtimer]

It's not really failure. It's practice.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjExFX7izMg

They cannot pretend to be patriots.

[Emil El Zapato]

There was a nice black and white photo taken of McCarthy visiting Trump at Mar-a-Lago:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Es5voQQXAAAfIc2?format=jpg&name=large

I'm sure his loyalty will really bring a payoff!

that really is a classic ... what a punchline ... :)

[Emil El Zapato]

I watched BeauBeau twice. That was really good. He always impresses, even when he is wrong and i'm right. Just kidding, this guy really knows his sheeiit. No joke! He's a pleasure to listen to.

[Dreamtimer]

Consequences keep rolling on...


Tens of thousands of Republican voters have changed their party registrations in the aftermath of the deadly riot on Jan. 6 during which supporters of former President Donald Trump stormed the Capitol.

Republican voters have defected in key battleground states, including Pennsylvania, Arizona and Florida, in addition to North Carolina, Colorado and Maryland. The exodus from the GOP could mean trouble for a party that just lost the presidential election and its majority in the Senate.


In Pennsylvania, almost 10,000 voters changed their registrations from Republican in the first 25 days of the year, according to Pennsylvania’s Department of State office. Among the Republicans who switched, 3,476 then registered as Democrats and the rest registered without a party affiliation or with another party.

By comparison, 2,093 Pennsylvania Democrats switched over to the Republican Party as of Monday, and only 1,184 Democrats registered with a minor party or went unaffiliated.


From Jan. 6-24, more than 9,000 Arizona Republicans changed their party registrations to Democrat, independent or Libertarian after the Capitol attack, CNN reported, citing numbers by Arizona’s Secretary of State office.


In North Carolina, more than 6,000 GOP voters changed their party registrations from Jan. 6-19, according to data from the state’s Board of Election. About 530 Republicans switched to the Democratic Party, while about 6,000 choose no party affiliation. Around 500 Democrats flipped to the Republican Party, while 1,200 opted to register with no party affiliation.

...


Miami-Dade, Florida’s most populous county, saw seven times as many GOP voters as Democrats switch their registrations, South Florida Sun Sentinel reported. In the two days after the Capitol riots, 708 Republicans and 96 Democrats changed their party affiliations. Among the former GOP voters, 431 switched to no party and 171 registered as independents.


Source (https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/article248807770.html)

[Aianawa]

But the path is long, winding, and covered in shards of glass. That amazing world is still very far away, and humanity has a way of putting up speed limits everywhere, and then lowering them all the time. :unsure:

Not for more n more people everyday Aragorn, ones thoughts create n many produce even more.
While a sad statement from you and very downy, we all been there, look for joyful things locally maybe. Blessings to you


It doesn't look too rosy to me either.

Gosh imo your an intelligent person and pretty wise, what can you do about that, see many of the vids and data you share here actually have the answers so no need for me to say why the world is more amazing to be in each day.

[Aianawa]

We have folks being elected to office who want to shoot and hang other elected officials.

When I was growing up my Dad told me that one of the beautiful things about America is that we settle our disputes in the courts and through legislation, not by shooting each other.

People don't have to be afraid to go shopping or to their jobs.


Ahh, the golden years.

I'm very glad my Dad has passed so that he doesn't have to witness the destructive road his party has gone down. He doesn't have to witness his son being in full blown denial.

And most importantly he didn't have to see his Capitol besieged by seditious members of his own team which he was so loyal to.

He would have been in tears.

Would all the other violence have had him in tears also DT, i feel he would have been a very wise decision maker with people looking up to him ( from your talks about him ) and powerfullll enough at times to walk away for the best for all, i did not know him but feels of who you have spoken of, sorry if incorrect.

[Aianawa]

Mike Lofgren was a long-time Republican Congressional staff member.






In Mark's own words:






I hadn't really thought much about it but I imagine the European intelligence agencies have had a very close eye on us these last four years.





I've been pointing out the projection. They scream about buses because that's what they do.



THEY HAVE NO HONOR.



People know this. That's why they're crying like babies over 'cancel culture' and 'censorship'.

Because they themselves used these tactics to gain their societal dominance. They just don't want to use it. They wanted to 'let markets speak' before. They don't now.

Of course.







There's more (http://https://www.salon.com/2021/01/16/longtime-gop-insider-mike-lofgren-on-his-former-party-going-easy-on-these-people-will-not-work/?fbclid=IwAR3MqCIOhns8niCtEu_cO4_-bdqq5dUOrzh9fnQ-YLmjgfsVr389T4ZysZQ).

Question for mods, is this not left leaning propaganda or better put, Propaganda with political left rite energy throwing, i wish to reply by going to search for other propaganda, mm whats good for goosy and ganda n all that ?, are you able to see my complaint, my point, DT imo is now becoming a wee bit obvious regards broken record, something said of my political leanings, mmm can see now how annoying it can be.


There was a nice black and white photo taken of McCarthy visiting Trump at Mar-a-Lago:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Es5voQQXAAAfIc2?format=jpg&name=large

I'm sure his loyalty will really bring a payoff!

Okay mods, i wish to know why this is alright, a calm word at least ?.

[Aianawa]

It's not really failure. It's practice.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjExFX7izMg

They cannot pretend to be patriots.

He speaks so well, really do enjoy his short talks, while correct one could add that another person could sit on other side of fence and more or less say the same thing, nevertheless i love his insights and perception either iether left or rite.

[Aragorn]

Question for mods, is this not left leaning propaganda or better put, Propaganda with political left rite energy throwing, i wish to reply by going to search for other propaganda, mm whats good for goosy and ganda n all that ?, are you able to see my complaint, my point, DT imo is now becoming a wee bit obvious regards broken record, something said of my political leanings, mmm can see now how annoying it can be.

You're making a good point here, and I hear your objection. The thing is that there's a fine line between what is generally called an opinion piece and what is called propaganda. The main difference is that propaganda is in every case intended to be manipulative, and that it is often (but not always) misleading.

An opinion piece, well, that's just something written by someone who's feeling entitled. I often get irritated with what is generally referred to as "opinion makers" in the media over here ─ whether they be left-wing or right-wing is irrelevant to me, because I dislike them all. I consider it the duty of the press to inform the people, not to manipulate them, and many of those so-called opinion-makers cross that fine line.

Of course, they're not necessarily doing it with the intent of being manipulative. They're rather doing it ─ or at least, over here they do ─ out of arrogance, self-importance and vanity.


Okay mods, i wish to know why this is alright, a calm word at least ?.

I think that image would classify as humor, albeit that it's not a very good kind of humor in my opinion, and somewhat misplaced.

[Dreamtimer]

Certainly one side stands out here.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNozzBd49Xw

[Dreamtimer]

We have a disease in America. I hear it in play each and every time I go out west. And around here too. People do wrong things and blame the other side. Or they just try to both-sides things.

The most pathetic examples are the current efforts to pretend that the seditious mob which stormed the Capitol was actually antifa. It's pathetic because the underlying desires are so base and weak.

Can't admit failure. Can't admit wrong. Can't admit weakness. Must blame others/pretend it was really them.

The former projection and fear-mongering has become blatant action.

The spoken goals of supposedly protection the Constitution are empty. The actions show them to be so.

When a leader and his followers deny reality and make up evidence to 'prove' their point, their actions have nothing to do with the Constitution or Democracy.

Those driving forces need to be neutralized and eliminated.

People need to come back to sanity and stop pretending that 'both sides do it'.

It's a pale, wan excuse.

[Aianawa]

You're making a good point here, and I hear your objection. The thing is that there's a fine line between what is generally called an opinion piece and what is called propaganda. The main difference is that propaganda is in every case intended to be manipulative, and that it is often (but not always) misleading.

An opinion piece, well, that's just something written by someone who's feeling entitled. I often get irritated with what is generally referred to as "opinion makers" in the media over here ─ whether they be left-wing or right-wing is irrelevant to me, because I dislike them all. I consider it the duty of the press to inform the people, not to manipulate them, and many of those so-called opinion-makers cross that fine line.

Of course, they're not necessarily doing it with the intent of being manipulative. They're rather doing it ─ or at least, over here they do ─ out of arrogance, self-importance and vanity.



I think that image would classify as humor, albeit that it's not a very good kind of humor in my opinion, and somewhat misplaced.

So i may use my humour, mmm nearly got me banned but but but something something, imo piss poor stuff but you be the bosses, the moderators of this provoking action is not as bad as that provoking action because of our leaning, really only DT left plus naps doing the i am angry ( but very balanced apparently lol ) with the need to share why n how, even after the party finished awhile ago, dishes cleaned up etc. Spose i better let it go or be goned.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moSFlvxnbgk

[Dreamtimer]

In spite of the fact that I saw it form before my very eyes, I just cannot believe that this has really made it into the mainstream via the Qanon belief system.

I'm gobsmacked. This is from a conversation that Anderson Cooper had with a former Qanon follower:


COOPER: “Was it something about me that made you think that?”

QG: “It’s because Q specifically mentioned you, and he mentioned you very early on. Um, he mentioned you by name, and from there, if … he also talked about, like, for example, your family. But, yeah, I’m going to be honest, people still talk about that to this day. There were posts about that just four days ago. So, some people thought you were a robot.”

COOPER: “You really believed this.”

QG: “I didn’t just believe that. I at one stage believed that QAnon was part of military intelligence, which is what he says. But on top of that, that the people behind him were actually a group of fifth-dimensional, intradimensional, extraterrestrial bipedal bird aliens called blue avians. I was so down far in this conspiracy black hole that I was essentially picking and choosing whatever narrative that I wanted to believe in.”


:blink::frantic::shocked::yoda::batman:omg:

Here's the tweet, if you want to hear it out loud.

https://twitter.com/oliverdarcy/status/1355544878990688259

[Aianawa]

Is said that Biden or president right is doing such an amazing job, even with people still concerntrating on previous president left which surprises me, Oh dear DT, Q is tenish people and many Qetc people believe as i do that at least two woman in that tenish people lol not one male, nowhere in Q pposts does it say Anderson Cooper is a robot, a talking disgusting talking head, yes, baby eater nope, been mentally and emotionally abused as a child through family yukkyness yes, at least. Lol why do you think that no trail was able to be connected or even made to connect Qetc to Trumpy, as in no proof ?. Really cannot believe you DT are bringing up another Q etc disscussion lol.

[Dreamtimer]

These theories have all been grouped together. Whomever is the conduit for this person is unknown to me. But it's clear that the various theories have been balled into one overarching meta-CT which has the umbrella of Q.

It's not even possible that you, one man, knows all that people are presented with as Q. These droppings were all over the place.

[Aianawa]

Dt you not researcher even, of Qetc, so no understanding to even debate the issue with someone aQuainted imo, of the thousands of msn's and media's Q hit pieces, none were or are close, why spend billions on killing Qetc, the only thing getting more hit pieces and killing money thrown at, was Trumpy. Even in NZ people are waking up atm to oh sh!t even the stock market is rigged, president rite Biden was best thing to ever happen for waking people, at least since 9/11.

No Q posts anymore, appears completed and massive well done job by those tenish and within likely at least two ladies and we will never know who they were, Qetc is unknowingly and knowingly more than half of USA and still gathering energy as world wide, even more especially unknowingly, now watching with disgust at the implacations of president rites handlers decisions, am watching as an enthralled movie goer and more n more people going nope not choosing sides BUT popcorn and tickets bought, comfy seat, go Biden yahooooo

Back on topic then, please.

[Dreamtimer]

I wasn't debating anything. I posted about a tweet which surprised me because the man, who claimed to be a Qanon follower, brought up Blue Avians. That was amazing to me. Blue Avians being discussed on CNN. (which I don't watch. I found this via the tweet)


This garden path you've gone down is your own, Aianawa.

Of course it's no surprise that you're once again attempting to place motives and opinions onto me that are your own conclusions.

Is this another mirror thing, or just simple projection?

[Dreamtimer]

https://twitter.com/donwinslow/status/1355977325368623107

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EtFmIcVUcAAQnAj?format=jpg&name=medium

[Aianawa]

Okay then DT, again self responsibility is most important for us all, imo either stop your Qetc facenation as in let it go, your doing better now with letting Trumpy rest and sure you will let Qetc rest when your ready, so much more positive stuff to go into than provocative Trumpy n Qetc , like how well Kamala n President rite are doing atm, how well they are communicating to the USAians and world, great decision making for the benefit of human kind, where the heck is your excitement across our forum on these things, their policies, their amazingness, these are better things to create upon in our brave new world, yes ?.

[Aianawa]

Take this for eggysample, a dangerous woman 9/11 denier and more apparently, may be cancelled they say >


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZdfBOVTgaY&feature=emb_logo

Very similar left or rite reporting on this , so they say, terrible woman.

[Dreamtimer]

You're hilarious. My Q obsession? You're a walking laugh line.

I posted the tweet because of the blue avians.

You, Aianawa, have posted probably every video ever made about Q.


Project much?

[Emil El Zapato]

Here's the question for the day:

Does free speech include propaganda filled lies with no restraint imposed. Free speech is considered a human right. What the advocates fail to point out is that the framework of social contracts offer civilization the fundamentals of behaviors that conform to and promote good and evil. The measures of good and evil imply common good and common bad and even more fundamental is the 'awareness' that as a civilization we should reject evil and embrace the good. If an entity chooses to operate out of the 'norms' of those guard rails then they forfeit their rights commensurate with how they have chosen to forego adherence to the rules of civilized proper conduct.

If an entity breaches morally accepted precepts due to mental illness, they should be protected and treated. If one does so for lack of education, they should be educated. If one does so for lack of awareness, they should be shown the way. If one does so for lack of self-insight, they should seek it. If one does so for personal gain, they should be stripped of those gains. If one does so for kicks, they should be kicked in the ass.

So saith the me.

[Dreamtimer]

People are claiming free speech where it doesn't apply. They are also claiming Constitutional 'something-or-other', again without any real examination of the Constitution

This game is being played because of the ignorance of Americans that can be take advantage of. Civics stopped being taught in school when I was eleven.

For example, Marjorie Taylor Greene has been claiming that folks aren't legitimate because they didn't take their oaths on the Bible.

That is not a Constitutional requirement. But she's claiming that it is.

And people glom on because they don't know better, and in many cases because they don't give a shit.

They figure if they can take power they can just make up rules and call them Constitutional. That's part of the desire to fill the courts.

People think that if they can just fill the courts with sympathetic judges and legislate from the bench they can still rule over peoples' lives.

Beware of people active in politics who think they're saved, that it's the end times, and that the messiah is coming.

They will do things like elect an autocrat and try to stage a coup.

[Aianawa]

It is okay NAP n DT, hold on as much as you like, bitterly provoke your hurts and Qetc n Trumpy worries plus doom forecast.

I will start a Biden n Kamala thread about their human kind achievments.

[Emil El Zapato]

They're off to a good start, Aianawa, don't miss it. Biden will not bend on their relief package for Americans. They have presented their scientific data to the people and have overwhelming support. As per historical precedent ad infinitum, the Repubs say that the Treasury can't afford the 1.9 Trillion dollars to help the people despite having allotted 8 Trillion to the wealthy and Wall streeters over the last 4 years. We can only hope that the blind will see.

[Aianawa]

How have the blind been so missinformed, sucked up the lies, bent over willingly, is crazy indeed NA

















p

Many for their lifetimes

[Dreamtimer]

So judgmental....Do people judge you the way you judge others, Aianawa?


The irony of this is exquisite:

Biden has decided not to allow Trump access to intelligence briefings:


"What value is giving him an intelligence briefing? What impact does he have at all, other than the fact he might slip and say something?"

[Aianawa]

So judgmental....Do people judge you the way you judge others, Aianawa?

yes i hope so


The irony of this is exquisite:

oh good

Biden has decided not to allow Trump access to intelligence briefings:

you still believe him capable of deciding, fair enough

[Emil El Zapato]

I just received a right wing email trying to petition against Biden's move to re-establish the pro-human right of employee unions. Put another check in the Biden human kind achievements column.

[Dreamtimer]

Federal prosecutors are asking a judge to hold admitted Proud Boys member Ethan Nordean, also known as “Rufio Panman,” in jail without bond on charges that he played a role in a Jan. 6th siege on the U.S. Capitol Complex. Nordean poses a “serious risk of flight,” prosecutors said in a memorandum in support of pretrial detention filed Friday, Feb. 5.

“[T]here are no conditions, or combination of conditions, which would ensure Defendant’s presence at trial or the safety of the community if he is released,” prosecutors told a Washington, D.C. federal judge.

They argued that Nordean’s association with the Proud Boys makes him different from other defendants.

“Whereas some of these rioters traveled to Washington, D.C., individually, a number of extremist and militia groups coordinated together to gather in Washington, expressing in advance their intent to interfere with the Electoral College certification,” prosecutors said in reference to Joe Biden‘s selection as the nation’s 46th president. “One such extremist group was the Proud Boys.”

Excerpts are in the article (https://lawandcrime.com/u-s-capitol-siege/proud-boys-spent-weeks-planning-the-u-s-capitol-siege-leader-ethan-nordean-poses-a-serious-risk-of-flight-prosecutors/) as well as the full text of the court filing.

[Dreamtimer]

David Duke said years ago, "We have our man in the White House." He and his ilk know whose call they answer to.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Etwp3WOXMAMsSWt?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Dreamtimer]

The trial began yesterday for the second impeachment of Donald Trump.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSQ8auQLxjA&feature=youtu.be

[Aianawa]

Gosh, before i post a reply and my facts and evidence, feel i have to ask permission.

Dear mods may i give a differing narrative from the one DT posted of others views, above ?.

[Dreamtimer]

Matthew Dowd has described some of our problems succinctly:


"I think one of the things Chris," Matthew Dowd said. "We don't focus on enough is what's behind all this. And what is the original sin of all of this that has led us here? It's not a denial of the school shootings. It's not a denial that Joe Biden won. It's not a denial that 9/11 happened. It's a denial of words in our original document which that self-evident truth that all men are created equal. That's what's led us here. Because we've never dealt with that disease in our country."

(Dowd worked for Bush-Cheney, Schwarzenegger, and got in trouble for a sexist tweet, FYI)


For those who don't know, the video posted above is from what was presented in the House yesterday.

For those who yammered about derangement, this is what it looks like.

This is what people do when they decide they can make the rules and listen to whomever they choose.

[Dreamtimer]

Quote from yesterday by Jaime Raskin,

"President Trump may not have known a lot about the Founders, but they sure knew a lot about him!"

[Dreamtimer]

I'm pondering the irony of being told by my brother and others that the right wing is a fringe and will 'never take over'. And then it happened with such ease. The same Republicans who said that Trump was a loon and unfit for office turned 180 within a matter of weeks or months. The take-over was pretty swift.

I'm pondering the irony of being told that right wing groups don't really exist anymore in America, and the KKK hardly is a thing anymore.

What a joke. A very sad joke.

[Dreamtimer]

The crowd is chanting 'Fight for Trump!" And folks are trying to say that he didn't incite them. Lordy, lordy, lordy.

[Emil El Zapato]

That's remarkably fstarcked up ...

[Dreamtimer]

Yesterday's argument:


Yesterday, in the Impeachment Trial, on the question of Constitutionality, Schoen argued that the Proud Boy and Oath Keeper arrests show that they had planned to attack on Jan. 6 and therefore there is no instigation. Now, that’s a bullshit argument. In fact, it strengthens the criminality of Trump, because it suggests that Trump is dealing with a group that may or may not act and that he instigated the act. He potentiated it.

[donk]

It’s disgusting how insultingly stupid their arguments were, every Republican that voted against democracy (even our shitty ass two-party fake democracy) should lose their job, maybe be tried. It’s sick that anyone still supports any of them.

Tired of “winning” yet, assholes? You are the fucking bad guys, trying to let the worst guy not be accountable for the worst thing a “leader” can do. Go to fucking Russia, where the bully actually succeeded, rather than stay here and let Trump or some other nazi make us repeat 1930’s Germany. That genius was embarrassed the first time he tried to take over.

[Aianawa]

I love the fact ( as is very well shown on this thread atm ) that people will not let Trump go, lol both sides lol , so he will likely return as it appears to be both sides desire , will wish the grumpy ones here luck with their endevour n walk away Quietly

[Emil El Zapato]

Aianawa, The Golden One is currently on trial. And he will not go away until he is cancelled.

[Dreamtimer]

Don't you mean Orange one?

There were about five Republicans who were to wussy to even watch the 15 minute video presented. Rand Paul was channeling his inner five-year-old while he was doodling.

I guess if being losers is seen as a winning strategy, they should continue.

Their short-term goal is to acquit Trump. The long-term effect will be the death of the Republican party.

When folks like Liz Cheney are getting a hard time from Republicans, the party's days are numbered.

And it's not many digits.

[Dreamtimer]

Words of wisdom for these days:


Do not sell the wine of delusion

There is nothing to be deluded about. If we realise this we are enlightenment itself.

[Aianawa]

Seeing the desire of there needs to be one narrative here on TOT, seeing a member wish for forum to bend the knee, terrorist organisation antifa i will stay away from as if you cannot work that them out, you deserve their intentions later on but will not come to that. How is the chosen one biden getting on, ask because no threads about his amazingness or stupidity or dementia are here on TOT ?.

[Emil El Zapato]

Set one up Mr. Aianawa ... and we shall all enjoy.

[Aianawa]

No thanks NAP, poking the bear, no way, badly confused bears everywhere already, not being able to find the honey can create huge frustration, ffs look up in the tree silly bears, follow the honey or at least the bee's.

The empeachy trial but not a trial seems to have been full of treasons n hoax's n completed with survival today, pah nobody wins