George Galloway | Julian Assange | The Trial of The Century

[Kathy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ed8HF89986M
"Sep 11, 2020 by RT UK

Julian Assange revealing war crimes is the real reason for extradition.

Unable to be convicted for journalism, he stands accused of trumped-up charges in what is the trial of the century.

George Galloway is free to #QuestionMore on RT"

[Emil El Zapato]

Julian Assange is a bad guy.

[Wind]

Julian Assange is a bad guy.

Really? :wry:

[Emil El Zapato]

yeah, ...

[Wind]

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[Emil El Zapato]

Look deeper into his 'motivations' not what he claimed he represented. If he had a 'clean' desire to inform the world of actions violating international laws and if it had been his primary motivation, he would be on my good guy list, but it wasn't, he targeted a 'segment' of American political views and actions in order to hurt those who held them. Well, ok, but then he passed information that was beneficial to the Russian government. It doesn't work for me. It is still possible that the charges of pedophilia were unfounded and used as a mechanism to 'hook' him. Ok, that is what the alt-right believes and is the most overwhelming reason that I don't believe any of it. The 'enlightenment' of the alt-right is complete, however, I would call it a scary level of brainwashing.

[Wind]

Are you claiming that he would be a Russian asset? Would you say that about Snowden too?

[Emil El Zapato]

No, I think Snowden was/is sincere. He did the right thing, I believe the princess did, too ... (just teasing about that) ...

[Emil El Zapato]

Actually, after just going mentally wandering i remembered what my initial feelings were about the princess. I think she was an American agent and it is possible through that avenue that they received intel on Assange. In fact, that is making a lot of sense to me right now. Recall, that Obama pardoned her.

[Aragorn]

It is still possible that the charges of pedophilia were unfounded and used as a mechanism to 'hook' him.

He was never charged on anything related to pedophilia. He had allegedly had unprotected sex with two women ─ separately ─ while they had objections about the unprotected aspect. In Sweden, this is tantamount to rape. And so the Swedish government demanded his arrest and extradition. However, both women have in the meantime withdrawn the charges.

Julian Assange is not a saint, and there is a chance that he's on somebody's payroll, but he did do the right thing in publishing that information, and those charges of "rape" in Sweden were of course a setup by the CIA.

[Wind]

Julian Assange is not a saint, and there is a chance that he's on somebody's payroll, but he did do the right thing in publishing that information, and those charges of "rape" in Sweden were of course a setup by the CIA.

I always had the suspicion that those charges were fake or at least the timing was too convenient and I agree, he did the right thing.

In my book that is tantamount to a heroic deed, but in light of new evidence I might change my mind about him. I think Assange is being treated inhumanely and the US government including Obama and Trump can go to hell for that.

[Justjane]

Look deeper into his 'motivations' not what he claimed he represented. If he had a 'clean' desire to inform the world of actions violating international laws and if it had been his primary motivation, he would be on my good guy list, but it wasn't, he targeted a 'segment' of American political views and actions in order to hurt those who held them. Well, ok, but then he passed information that was beneficial to the Russian government. It doesn't work for me. It is still possible that the charges of pedophilia were unfounded and used as a mechanism to 'hook' him. Ok, that is what the alt-right believes and is the most overwhelming reason that I don't believe any of it. The 'enlightenment' of the alt-right is complete, however, I would call it a scary level of brainwashing.

Hey there! I’m Jane. I joined a little while ago after but this is my first time posting! My understanding re Assange and this release was that he had made a deal with Trump in order to have the charges and extradition orders against him dropped. Trump reneged on the deal When Assange wouldn’t provide the name of the person who gave him access to the information (thought by RWNJs to be Seth Rich). Can’t comment on the veracity of this info, I didn’t look into it too deeply, but it would make sense that Assange would pick the side most likely to help him. The reality is that given Assange‘s condition at the time, it probably wouldn’t even have been him that made any decisions relating to it anyway.

[Emil El Zapato]

Happy emergence! :)

[Emil El Zapato]

He was never charged on anything related to pedophilia. He had allegedly had unprotected sex with two women ─ separately ─ while they had objections about the unprotected aspect. In Sweden, this is tantamount to rape. And so the Swedish government demanded his arrest and extradition. However, both women have in the meantime withdrawn the charges.

Julian Assange is not a saint, and there is a chance that he's on somebody's payroll, but he did do the right thing in publishing that information, and those charges of "rape" in Sweden were of course a setup by the CIA.

You would think that someone with his credentials would have managed a ménage à trois ... :) just a joke, but honestly he has too much 'me' in his personal formula. Truth is, whistleblowers have been blowing the whistle for quite awhile against the 'good guys' ... Recall 'Deep Throat'? No fanfare, no drumroll, just a properly oriented moral compass and a well developed sense of propriety.

[Octopus Garden]

Jane,

It's you. Fantastic. Welcome, welcome welcome! I think Assange is a good guy. His info on the Clintons was spun to high heaven by the alt right nutcases, but there are a few gems in there that absolutely crucify them, and it appears to be right from the horse's mouth. And, btw, it has nothing to do with pedophilia, etc...

[Octopus Garden]

You would think that someone with his credentials would have managed a ménage à trois ... :) just a joke, but honestly he has too much 'me' in his personal formula. Truth is, whistleblowers have been blowing the whistle for quite awhile against the 'good guys' ... Recall 'Deep Throat'? No fanfare, no drumroll, just a properly oriented moral compass and a well developed sense of propriety.
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Assange is the modern version of Daniel Ellsberg. Ellsberg became a bit of a media darling, too. Don't think he asked for it, but that's what happened. The only reason the Post published Deep Throat's info was because they were basically a CIA cover and had the go ahead. The covert agencies knew the Viet Nam war was a loser and they wanted the U.S. out of there.

This is where the alt right does get things right in their own feeble minded way. The mainstream media is beholden to the letter agencies, imho.

[Emil El Zapato]

I wouldn't disagree with that because there is too much at stake to not honor the connection between media and national security. I'll look further, you may have a point ... :)

[Aragorn]

Hey there! I’m Jane. I joined a little while ago after but this is my first time posting! My understanding re Assange and this release was that he had made a deal with Trump in order to have the charges and extradition orders against him dropped. Trump reneged on the deal When Assange wouldn’t provide the name of the person who gave him access to the information (thought by RWNJs to be Seth Rich). Can’t comment on the veracity of this info, I didn’t look into it too deeply, but it would make sense that Assange would pick the side most likely to help him. The reality is that given Assange‘s condition at the time, it probably wouldn’t even have been him that made any decisions relating to it anyway.

Welcome, Jane! :)



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[Justjane]

Jane,

It's you. Fantastic. Welcome, welcome welcome! I think Assange is a good guy. His info on the Clintons was spun to high heaven by the alt right nutcases, but there are a few gems in there that absolutely crucify them, and it appears to be right from the horse's mouth. And, btw, it has nothing to do with pedophilia, etc...

Haha, thanks Jess! Yeah, finally made it out of my cage, still feeling bruised after the whole Avalon thing, they seem to have gone full cray there. Sorry for the late reply, lost track of this thread!

I agree that Assange is ‘good‘ as it were but I think he’s lost his mind not that I blame him. The more I try to figure out the state of the world, the more I realise I know nothing.

[Wind]

The more I try to figure out the state of the world, the more I realise I know nothing.

To admit that is the beginning of wisdom.

And welcome to the forum!

[Justjane]

To admit that is the beginning of wisdom.

And welcome to the forum!

Haha, thanks Wind. I’m beginning to think it’s the only wisdom that currently exists. There are few absolute truths on this planet, most truth falls into the shades of grey. It’s becomingly increasingly problematic that most people can only manage to retain one position at a time and is quite likely going to lead to the death of democracy across the world.

[Emil El Zapato]

interesting post JJ, i've been accused of being a 'flipflopper' but i'm not. I just follow 'philosophy' as near to its logical conclusion as I can. And there are a lot of nuances along the way. And at some point all 'real' situations break paradigmatic thinking.

[Octopus Garden]

Haha, thanks Jess! Yeah, finally made it out of my cage, still feeling bruised after the whole Avalon thing, they seem to have gone full cray there. Sorry for the late reply, lost track of this thread!

I agree that Assange is ‘good‘ as it were but I think he’s lost his mind not that I blame him. The more I try to figure out the state of the world, the more I realise I know nothing.

Hi again, Jane. Yes, Project Avalon, has become the very loving and super enlightened pro-Fascist forum, by default. They are fixated on Communism and Marxism as the ultimate boogeymen...and socialism too. This would make sense if the military in the U.S. wasn't one big welfare/warfare program.

Somehow, protesting the deaths of blacks at the hands of police is a Marxist endeavor?? Like how? Oh, it's because BLM is all communist. LOL. And they are going to take over. Uh huhhhh.... It's the Dunning Kruger effect, in terms of political awareness. People who are so politically unaware that they aren't aware of their own immense naivete.

Anyway, I would like to see an economic system that provides incentives while flattening income and wages, taxes the living daylights out of capital gains and keeps people secure and happy. We're moving towards that right now, in Canada. We have been going through government austerity, with regards social programs for decades here. Not as bad as many countries but it could have been much better, had the govts. had the balls to tax
stock transactions, for starters---way back when.:blink:

[Elen]

So nice to see you here Justjane! The world needs you now more than ever.

[Justjane]

It's the Dunning Kruger effect, in terms of political awareness. People who are so politically unaware that they aren't aware of their own immense naivete.

Anyway, I would like to see an economic system that provides incentives while flattening income and wages, taxes the living daylights out of capital gains and keeps people secure and happy. We're moving towards that right now, in Canada. We have been going through government austerity, with regards social programs for decades here. Not as bad as many countries but it could have been much better, had the govts. had the balls to tax
stock transactions, for starters---way back when.:blink:

Absolutely this ������ I’d like to add, one which is able to reflect the value of the work we ALL do and that includes caring and volunteer work. Not sure when the US will work it’s probably not a good idea to pay low wages and have low taxes. Won’t change until the people decide they’re worth more than what they’re getting though.

And Avalon has truly lost its way. The BDAnon thread, ohmigosh, I just couldn’t ������������*♀️


So nice to see you here Justjane! The world needs you now more than ever.

Thank you so much Elen!