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sourcetruth
14th October 2019, 03:51
There is a youtube channel called Quartz Crystal I have been watching for a while now.
This is her channel:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxL7oyImNVf7ym8ffCV-MSA

These are her first youtube videos:
https://youtu.be/2iaeb_nCRbE
2iaeb_nCRbE

https://youtu.be/UaT5v9ZE68A
UaT5v9ZE68A

This is a playlist of all her videos:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLxhLevVbL8xk-ZMzwRRp04yZzPYGM7ons

She has posted over 400 videos about the matrix (what this reality really is)
She talks about what this reality really is which is a matrix that we are creating to experience it.

This is what she talks about the matrix itself
- this reality is an intentional creation by what we would call source, so it is like a matrix that we are trapped in
- source created this reality so that source could enter into the game
- source entered into the game as source players
- besides source players there are soulless ones and entities
- soulless ones are the people without souls and animals that all don't have souls
- there are only about 1,500,000 souls alive on Earth at this time
- all other people are soulless, 5000 to every soul
- there are different types of entities that includes reptilians
- the matrix is scripted to be a certain way
- the matrix as a whole is scripted to be a certain way
- all soulless ones are acting based on what is in their script, and their lives are based on scripts
- scripts are like the storybook in the matrix that is followed
(you can see how the matrix is scripted when you look into how there are coded numbers that appear all through the matrix in synchronicity, it shows how this matrix is scripted)
- religion is matrix programming and traps and participation in religions creates black magic attachments to you

This is what she says about how source player have energy in the matrix:
- souls have been reincarnating over and over until they win the game
- souls use their energy to create the matrix
- when source players lose their energy it goes to power the matrix by using it to power the entities that act as the soulless ones
- souls have source fractals and daily supply energies
- souls can exist on different dimensional planes ranging from one to eleven, called frequency planes
- when a soul does lower frequency things they lose their energy and keep their frequency in a lower state as a result
- lower frequency things include things such as eating meat and having orgasms
- emotional states can also take energy from a source player and drain their energy, and can lower their frequency depending on the emotion
- certain emotions are lower frequency states of being such as anger
- if a source player completes inner alchemy they will not have the desire for orgasm anymore

- if a source player is eating meat they can not reach the frequencies 5 or higher
- frequency 5 and higher is where you connect to your source self and can unlock your script, and law of attraction starts to work
- source players can use their energy to manifest what they want to in their reality and rewrite their script
- they can do this once they unlock their script and get to a higher frequency
- source players can program a pendulum to ask questions to their source self

In the matrix, there are source players, soulless ones, and entities. Soulless ones are the people without souls, and source players are the people with souls. Entities are soulless beings that exist in the matrix but not people. So entities would be creatures like reptilians and aliens.

The soulless ones are powered by something called energy. When source players do lower frequency activities such as eating meat and having sex then they lose their energy and it is used to power the soulless ones.
There are eleven frequency levels for source players to be on. Until you stop eating meat you will not be able to rise to level 5 or higher.

What is even more interesting is that she said this matrix we are currently in is actually a secondary matrix that was created from the primary matrix that we are hooked up to, but that both are powered by source energies. She says that there are entities that come from the primary matrix and plug into the physical matrix and that it includes entities such as aliens and reptilians.

I have been doing all of the things she has said to do.

Do you consider yourselves to be source players as well?

Aianawa
14th October 2019, 06:20
Been proven that meat does not stop one being 5d, may not assist, many live 5d n eat meat.

Too much fear involved in her material for me.

Malisa
14th October 2019, 07:10
There is a youtube channel called Quartz Crystal I have been watching for a while now.
This is her channel:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxL7oyImNVf7ym8ffCV-MSA

These are her first youtube videos:
https://youtu.be/2iaeb_nCRbE
2iaeb_nCRbE

https://youtu.be/UaT5v9ZE68A
UaT5v9ZE68A

This is a playlist of all her videos:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLxhLevVbL8xk-ZMzwRRp04yZzPYGM7ons

She has posted over 400 videos about the matrix (what this reality really is)
She talks about what this reality really is which is a matrix that we are creating to experience it.

This is what she talks about the matrix itself
- this reality is an intentional creation by what we would call source, so it is like a matrix that we are trapped in
- source created this reality so that source could enter into the game
- source entered into the game as source players
- besides source players there are soulless ones and entities
- soulless ones are the people without souls and animals that all don't have souls
- there are only about 1,500,000 souls alive on Earth at this time
- all other people are soulless, 5000 to every soul
- there are different types of entities that includes reptilians
- the matrix is scripted to be a certain way
- the matrix as a whole is scripted to be a certain way
- all soulless ones are acting based on what is in their script, and their lives are based on scripts
- scripts are like the storybook in the matrix that is followed
(you can see how the matrix is scripted when you look into how there are coded numbers that appear all through the matrix in synchronicity, it shows how this matrix is scripted)
- religion is matrix programming and traps and participation in religions creates black magic attachments to you

This is what she says about how source player have energy in the matrix:
- souls have been reincarnating over and over until they win the game
- souls use their energy to create the matrix
- when source players lose their energy it goes to power the matrix by using it to power the entities that act as the soulless ones
- souls have source fractals and daily supply energies
- souls can exist on different dimensional planes ranging from one to eleven, called frequency planes
- when a soul does lower frequency things they lose their energy and keep their frequency in a lower state as a result
- lower frequency things include things such as eating meat and having orgasms
- emotional states can also take energy from a source player and drain their energy, and can lower their frequency depending on the emotion
- certain emotions are lower frequency states of being such as anger
- if a source player completes inner alchemy they will not have the desire for orgasm anymore

- if a source player is eating meat they can not reach the frequencies 5 or higher
- frequency 5 and higher is where you connect to your source self and can unlock your script, and law of attraction starts to work
- source players can use their energy to manifest what they want to in their reality and rewrite their script
- they can do this once they unlock their script and get to a higher frequency
- source players can program a pendulum to ask questions to their source self

In the matrix, there are source players, soulless ones, and entities. Soulless ones are the people without souls, and source players are the people with souls. Entities are soulless beings that exist in the matrix but not people. So entities would be creatures like reptilians and aliens.

The soulless ones are powered by something called energy. When source players do lower frequency activities such as eating meat and having sex then they lose their energy and it is used to power the soulless ones.
There are eleven frequency levels for source players to be on. Until you stop eating meat you will not be able to rise to level 5 or higher.

What is even more interesting is that she said this matrix we are currently in is actually a secondary matrix that was created from the primary matrix that we are hooked up to, but that both are powered by source energies. She says that there are entities that come from the primary matrix and plug into the physical matrix and that it includes entities such as aliens and reptilians.

I have been doing all of the things she has said to do.

Do you consider yourselves to be source players as well?


Hi, that's quite a word salad you posted there

I was positive i had seen this before, or was it a Deja Vu? But i search for your words on the web and i found quite a few hits with the exact same words and links. Is this some kind of marketing campaign?

You should know that the videos you embedded are not working at all

"Video unavailable
Watch this video on YouTube.
Playback on other websites has been disabled by the video owner.
"

Perhaps you have been linking to it too much and the owner of the video disabled embedding so as to stop unintended people from watching it, possibly without reading the description with the Paypal link and request for donations.

I felt a lot of anger on the few videos i watched, almost like she hates having to talk on her videos, you said



She says that there are entities that come from the primary matrix and plug into the physical matrix and that it includes entities such as aliens and reptilians.


How do you know she is not one of them and that's how she got all this information?



Do you consider yourselves to be source players as well?

I don't think this is a good or smart question to ask of anyone.

Would you expect them to say "No i'm not one of them"?

If the purpose of the question was to lead people into fear of not being one and say "yes i'm one!" out of feeling left out or singled out, then that's a very low handed move on your part

sourcetruth
14th October 2019, 11:52
Hi, that's quite a word salad you posted there


It was supposed to provide an overview of the statements made by this channel.



I was positive i had seen this before, or was it a Deja Vu? But i search for your words on the web and i found quite a few hits with the exact same words and links. Is this some kind of marketing campaign?

I have posted this to other forums, but there is nothing wrong with that. I have had a lot of silly accusations made against me for posting this to multiple forums.

I have an interest in the statements made by the channel, which is why I want to discuss them.



I felt a lot of anger on the few videos i watched, almost like she hates having to talk on her videos

I don't see any anger in her videos. I see a lack of emotion and what would be called neutrality in her, but not anger. This could me mistaken to be anger, but it is really just a lack of emotional expression because of her neutrality.


How do you know she is not one of them and that's how she got all this information?


She could have gotten this information being an entity, but she also could have gotten it being a source player.
I can't for certain that she is or is not an entity without using one of the methods for determining it, there are ways that one is supposed to use to determine if someone is a source player or entity.


I don't think this is a good or smart question to ask of anyone.

Would you expect them to say "No i'm not one of them"?

If the purpose of the question was to lead people into fear of not being one and say "yes i'm one!" out of feeling left out or singled out, then that's a very low handed move on your part

I didn't expect them to say anything at all, that was a general question that was supposed to lead to further discussion of the topic. They didn't have to answer it, but if they did then it could lead to further discussion.


Been proven that meat does not stop one being 5d, may not assist, many live 5d n eat meat.

Too much fear involved in her material for me.

When she talks about the 5th frequency plane, she is not referring to what is called 5d. She is referring to this within the context of something that she describes as frequency planes, of which there are 11 of according to her. She describes these planes as different states that a source players frequency bodies can exist on.

There may be people that look like they have reached what looks like higher spiritual state, but many of them would be soulless ones according to Quartz Crystal, and this would not be truly raising their frequency. Raising their frequency would not be applicable to soulless ones.

Her message of not eating meat and not having orgasms does not seem too fearful to me, it just seems like steps that are necessary to raise ones frequency.

She doesn't tell you to be in a state of fear, because it is a lower frequency and energy draining experience. She tells you that emotional states are not the highest frequency, and that the highest frequency state would be to have the neutrality emotion.

Chris
14th October 2019, 12:21
I don't have the time to watch full-length video lectures, but I skimmed through some of your threads. It is interesting information, but not really anything new. It seems to me to be a rehash of standard new-age teachings, with a lot borrowed from David Icke, Corey Goode, David Wilcock and the Law of One material.

I don't quite get your obsession with this information, there is nothing new or original about it and the central tenet of source players and most people being soulless ones is really quite ludicrous. Whoever came up with it originally, failed to think it through properly, because the logical inconsistencies are too numerous to mention.

I'm afraid this whole scene has the whiff of a cult and reminds me of several past cults of a similar nature. I don't imagine you'll take my advice, but you'd be much better served by taking your spiritual inspiration from other sources. You can't go wrong with the classics (Bhagavad Gita, Puranas, Upanishads, Lotus Sutra, Sumerian and Egyptian myths, etc...). I personally stay away from new age gurus entirely. I have yet to find one that is genuine.

sourcetruth
14th October 2019, 12:37
I don't have the time to watch full-length video lectures, but I skimmed through some of your threads. It is interesting information, but not really anything new. It seems to me to be a rehash of standard new-age teachings, with a lot borrowed from David Icke, Corey Goode, David Wilcock and the Law of One material.

I don't quite get your obsession with this information, there is nothing new or original about it and the central tenet of source players and most people being soulless ones is really quite ludicrous. Whoever came up with it originally, failed to think it through properly, because the logical inconsistencies are too numerous to mention.

I'm afraid this whole scene has the whiff of a cult and reminds me of several past cults of a similar nature. I don't imagine you'll take my advice, but you'd be much better served by taking your spiritual inspiration from other sources. You can't go wrong with the classics (Bhagavad Gita, Puranas, Upanishads, Lotus Sutra, Sumerian and Egyptian myths, etc...). I personally stay away from new age gurus entirely. I have yet to find one that is genuine.

Some of these concepts that she talks about have been talked about by others, but if you look into her videos then you find that she does have a lot of original information.

The idea that we live in a matrix has been described by others, but what she details about the matrix is where she provides original information, which is what I am interested in.

I am interested in her concepts of energy and frequency, and how she describes them.

The ideas of source players and soulless ones can make sense when you see it a way. I see this reality as something that was created. When you compare this to creating a stimulation, then there are non playable characters that are part of the creation.

This reality is an experience that exists, the soulless ones would just be an aspect of the experience that is being created within the experience.

I say that there is actually more logical inconsistencies in the idea that everyone has a soul then the idea that there are souls and soulless ones. I don't see anything about the idea of there being soulless ones that can't be logically reconciled.

I don't deny that any of the teachers that you mentioned may have spiritual knowledge, but I am not sure if they describe everything that Quartz Crystal describes in her videos. I can certainly look into them more though.

Chris
14th October 2019, 13:01
Some of these concepts that she talks about have been talked about by others, but if you look into her videos then you find that she does have a lot of original information.

The idea that we live in a matrix has been described by others, but what she details about the matrix is where she provides original information, which is what I am interested in.

I am interested in her concepts of energy and frequency, and how she describes them.

The ideas of source players and soulless ones can make sense when you see it a way. I see this reality as something that was created. When you compare this to creating a stimulation, then there are non playable characters that are part of the creation.

This reality is an experience that exists, the soulless ones would just be an aspect of the experience that is being created within the experience.

I say that there is actually more logical inconsistencies in the idea that everyone has a soul then the idea that there are souls and soulless ones. I don't see anything about the idea of there being soulless ones that can't be logically reconciled.

I don't deny that any of the teachers that you mentioned may have spiritual knowledge, but I am not sure if they describe everything that Quartz Crystal describes in her videos. I can certainly look into them more though.

Here's the catch:

It is even possible that her information is largely accurate, but that may be entirely or partly due to sheer luck or accident. You also shouldn't discount the possibility of deception, unbeknownst to her. I don't know where she gets her information from, but I would guess it comes from channelling some entity or perhaps what she perceives to be "source". Any channelled information is highly unreliable even when sometimes it seems to be spot on. I don't want to go into any details, but I have experience with channelling and I am well aware of how unreliable it can be, whereas occasionally you can get profound insights and information.

The information I received from channelled sources was somewhat similar to the Crystal Quartz material, though only in broad strokes, not the fine detail. This is why I suspect it may have similar origins.

Malisa
14th October 2019, 14:02
It was supposed to provide an overview of the statements made by this channel.


I don't think you understand where you stand in all this, let me explain, what you just said there means you are using yourself as a proselytism tool or messenger, have you ever seen those people sharing pamphlets on the street? That's what you are doing, but perhaps you haven't realised it yet.



I didn't expect them to say anything at all, that was a general question that was supposed to lead to further discussion of the topic. They didn't have to answer it, but if they did then it could lead to further discussion.

Don't you realise you just said yes to my statement? It is a question meant to lead into further discussion. This is also part of conditioning people so they get involved in an otherwise unnecessary learning process (I.e recruitment)

There are several signs we are dealing with a cult here, but maybe you are unaware of them

1. Group identity. You are supposed to follow several rules that makes you act and be part of the group
a. Don't eat meat
b. Don't have sex
c. Don't show emotions
d. Don't have feelings for animals

All of that makes you part of a "group" of people who are special, they all act the same because they belong to a different "better" category of human beings

2. Separate yourself from other people who are "soulless"
This also a very common attribute of a cult, you have to separate from other people and even family, since they 'don't understand'

3. If you don't follow the rules, you cannot have the secrets (connect to the source is the "Price")
This is a common practice across every single cult, current or past. This is where the fear part comes, you will fear you may be soulless, so you follow the rules to the letter, trying to reach the connection to the source (the price) by working hard on doing all she said, just like you wrote on your opening statement


I have been doing all of the things she has said to do.




if a source player is eating meat they can not reach the frequencies 5 or higher
- frequency 5 and higher is where you connect to your source self and can unlock your script, and law of attraction starts to work
- source players can use their energy to manifest what they want to in their reality and rewrite their script
- they can do this once they unlock their script and get to a higher frequency

Right there, this is the offering of "the price" which source players must work hard to achieve, then they will become worthy of learning "Secrets"

You may not like this, but this is a cult

I did some reading on your previous posts, you seem to get angry quite a bit and are quick to insult people if they don't believe you. At the same time keep reaching trying to get through them, this is illogical my friend. It makes it look like you don't feel satisfied or have some kind of emptiness/loneliness inside you that you have tried to fill with these knowledge, but it's not enough, you feel you need company or the secrets and power you are working for won't be worth the effort

I believe you were caught in all this through some bad times you were experiencing, perhaps lose of friends or family issues. This is very normal for people who fall into cults, they are recruited at a low point in their lives, when they are feeling hopelessness or low self worth. Then along comes the "you are special above others" message and bingo! You have been recruited! This is called Love Bombing by the way, another technique used by cults to recruit people into their lines


"You may be worthless to other people, but here you are special and powerful, and have a great destiny, if you do all I say the way i say it and don't stop following my rules"


Sounds familiar?

As i said, you may not like it and disagree, but it's extremely clear you have been indoctrinated and belong to a cult, even if you don't realise it

You may think "I can leave any time i want, or stop reading or watching the videos" but no, you cannot, if you do, then how do you know if you actually were a source player and you may miss having the connection and being able to rewrite reality, that's a hard price to pay so you will continue on this path no matter what

That's how a cult works, 100%

Dreamtimer
14th October 2019, 14:17
Welcome to our shire, Kai.(welcome)

Wind
14th October 2019, 15:45
This reminds me of something...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6IAf_y8pQc

Chris
14th October 2019, 16:53
This reminds me of something...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6IAf_y8pQc

Simon Parkes would disagree with him about what Extraterrestrials may look like... Mantidz Rulez... :rock:

Dreamtimer
14th October 2019, 17:00
I always almost manage to forget the existence of Simon...and then...

I will never hold any grudges against mantises. They're awesome.

Aragorn
14th October 2019, 17:17
Simon Parkes would disagree with him about what Extraterrestrials may look like... Mantidz Rulez... :rock:

Simon Parkes is another such creep that everyone would best stay away from. :vom:

sourcetruth
14th October 2019, 18:16
Here's the catch:

It is even possible that her information is largely accurate, but that may be entirely or partly due to sheer luck or accident. You also shouldn't discount the possibility of deception, unbeknownst to her. I don't know where she gets her information from, but I would guess it comes from channelling some entity or perhaps what she perceives to be "source". Any channelled information is highly unreliable even when sometimes it seems to be spot on. I don't want to go into any details, but I have experience with channelling and I am well aware of how unreliable it can be, whereas occasionally you can get profound insights and information.

The information I received from channelled sources was somewhat similar to the Crystal Quartz material, though only in broad strokes, not the fine detail. This is why I suspect it may have similar origins.

I was already familiar with and accepting of certain concepts that she talks about in her videos before I saw them. These are concepts such as soulless ones, manifestation, the matrix stimulation, and reality being a creation. Although she did provide a lot of original information that was not known to me in her videos.

She does talk about entities in her videos, and says that they are programmed by the matrix. So for her to get all of her information from an entity would not make sense, because she speaks about entities being matrix programs.

She claims that she was revealed this information over the course of a few weeks after she won the game for source and for all source fractal players. She doesn't go into much more detail then that. She does not specify the identities of any specific entities that contacted her. She does not show that she has asked any questions to entities.

There is a difference between resembling each other in broad strokes as opposed to fine detail.


I don't think you understand where you stand in all this, let me explain, what you just said there means you are using yourself as a proselytism tool or messenger, have you ever seen those people sharing pamphlets on the street? That's what you are doing, but perhaps you haven't realised it yet.


Don't you realise you just said yes to my statement? It is a question meant to lead into further discussion. This is also part of conditioning people so they get involved in an otherwise unnecessary learning process (I.e recruitment)

There are several signs we are dealing with a cult here, but maybe you are unaware of them

1. Group identity. You are supposed to follow several rules that makes you act and be part of the group
a. Don't eat meat
b. Don't have sex
c. Don't show emotions
d. Don't have feelings for animals

All of that makes you part of a "group" of people who are special, they all act the same because they belong to a different "better" category of human beings

2. Separate yourself from other people who are "soulless"
This also a very common attribute of a cult, you have to separate from other people and even family, since they 'don't understand'

3. If you don't follow the rules, you cannot have the secrets (connect to the source is the "Price")
This is a common practice across every single cult, current or past. This is where the fear part comes, you will fear you may be soulless, so you follow the rules to the letter, trying to reach the connection to the source (the price) by working hard on doing all she said, just like you wrote on your opening statement



Right there, this is the offering of "the price" which source players must work hard to achieve, then they will become worthy of learning "Secrets"

You may not like this, but this is a cult

I did some reading on your previous posts, you seem to get angry quite a bit and are quick to insult people if they don't believe you. At the same time keep reaching trying to get through them, this is illogical my friend. It makes it look like you don't feel satisfied or have some kind of emptiness/loneliness inside you that you have tried to fill with these knowledge, but it's not enough, you feel you need company or the secrets and power you are working for won't be worth the effort

I believe you were caught in all this through some bad times you were experiencing, perhaps lose of friends or family issues. This is very normal for people who fall into cults, they are recruited at a low point in their lives, when they are feeling hopelessness or low self worth. Then along comes the "you are special above others" message and bingo! You have been recruited! This is called Love Bombing by the way, another technique used by cults to recruit people into their lines


"You may be worthless to other people, but here you are special and powerful, and have a great destiny, if you do all I say the way i say it and don't stop following my rules"


Sounds familiar?

As i said, you may not like it and disagree, but it's extremely clear you have been indoctrinated and belong to a cult, even if you don't realise it

You may think "I can leave any time i want, or stop reading or watching the videos" but no, you cannot, if you do, then how do you know if you actually were a source player and you may miss having the connection and being able to rewrite reality, that's a hard price to pay so you will continue on this path no matter what

That's how a cult works, 100%

It is a characteristic of groups in general to have a sense of shared identity. It doesn't make that group a cult.

Why are you so quick to label this as a cult? The word cult has very negative connotations associated with it, and your use of the word implies that this must be sinister somehow. There is nothing sinister about any of this. You don't have any reason to describe it as a cult, because you are implying something negative about this.

Seperating the soulless ones from source players is more about you seperating them from you. It is part of the journey of connecting with source, realizing that you are not the avatar and there are avatars that look like you but are not source.

Those rules are not meant to make you part of the group, those are just the rules for raising your frequency and gaining back your energy. You could still be a source player if you do those things, but you would be a lower frequency source player.

You consider them to be rules, but they are just the consequences for your actions within the matrix. These are not limitations in any sense, it is these aspects of the matrix that are actually what is limiting you.

There is no cult here, there is only a shared identity of being source players. This is about an individual journey.

I am not quick to insult people, you don't have any reason to make this claim.

Aianawa
14th October 2019, 21:47
Feel your on the point Mr Kai food

Malisa
14th October 2019, 22:11
It is a characteristic of groups in general to have a sense of shared identity. It doesn't make that group a cult.

It does if falling outside the group identity make you 'soulless' or unworthy, or lesser than the ones in the group



Why are you so quick to label this as a cult? The word cult has very negative connotations associated with it, and your use of the word implies that this must be sinister somehow.

Did you read what i wrote? I listed the reasons perfectly clear. Is not like people don't know how cults are formed and what tactics they use, your group is clearly a cult, the evidence is overwhelming



There is nothing sinister about any of this. You don't have any reason to describe it as a cult, because you are implying something negative about this.


Of course you would not perceive it as such, you are inside so you can't see it for what it is.



Seperating the soulless ones from source players is more about you seperating them from you. It is part of the journey of connecting with source, realizing that you are not the avatar and there are avatars that look like you but are not source.

So, you confirm my point, thank you



Those rules are not meant to make you part of the group, those are just the rules for raising your frequency and gaining back your energy. You could still be a source player if you do those things, but you would be a lower frequency source player.

Rules are rules, you are trapped in a set of rules and if you don't follow them you are not one of them, again this is exactly what a cult works like. You seem to be on denial but point after point you confirm all i said before



You consider them to be rules, but they are just the consequences for your actions within the matrix. These are not limitations in any sense, it is these aspects of the matrix that are actually what is limiting you.

So are they rules, or not? What you said here doesn't mean anything really, is just pseudo philosophy.



There is no cult here, there is only a shared identity of being source players. This is about an individual journey.

A shared identity, but an individual journey... Ok

A shared identity is exactly what a cult is....



I am not quick to insult people, you don't have any reason to make this claim.


All i have seen from you on other forums begs to differ. You tend to call people "Ignorant and soulless" among other things when they don't agree with you, there's plenty of posts you made that are hard evidence against you. I don't understand why you would be dishonest about it, since it's very easy for anyone to confirm with a simple google search

I looked at the patreon site, It's kind of hard to believe someone spiritual would have such requirements for the followers. So if you watched all the 400+ videos, and want to continue learning, you have to pay? She has blocked access to anyone who doesn't pay, and she clearly has pointed that if you stop paying, you are rejected. You can't ask questions or chat with other members of the group unless you pay! Isn't that bad in your eyes?

Should we then assume that it doesn't matter if you are a source player or not, as long as you pay you are accepted, but even if you were a great source player if you stop paying you will be excluded from the group? Again that's how a cult works

I don't think you realise a lot of things that are happening around you

sourcetruth
14th October 2019, 23:05
It does if falling outside the group identity make you 'soulless' or unworthy, or lesser than the ones in the group


Did you read what i wrote? I listed the reasons perfectly clear. Is not like people don't know how cults are formed and what tactics they use, your group is clearly a cult, the evidence is overwhelming



Of course you would not perceive it as such, you are inside so you can't see it for what it is.


So, you confirm my point, thank you


Rules are rules, you are trapped in a set of rules and if you don't follow them you are not one of them, again this is exactly what a cult works like. You seem to be on denial but point after point you confirm all i said before


So are they rules, or not? What you said here doesn't mean anything really, is just pseudo philosophy.


A shared identity, but an individual journey... Ok

A shared identity is exactly what a cult is....



All i have seen from you on other forums begs to differ. You tend to call people "Ignorant and soulless" among other things when they don't agree with you, there's plenty of posts you made that are hard evidence against you. I don't understand why you would be dishonest about it, since it's very easy for anyone to confirm with a simple google search

I looked at the patreon site, It's kind of hard to believe someone spiritual would have such requirements for the followers. So if you watched all the 400+ videos, and want to continue learning, you have to pay? She has blocked access to anyone who doesn't pay, and she clearly has pointed that if you stop paying, you are rejected. You can't ask questions or chat with other members of the group unless you pay! Isn't that bad in your eyes?

Should we then assume that it doesn't matter if you are a source player or not, as long as you pay you are accepted, but even if you were a great source player if you stop paying you will be excluded from the group? Again that's how a cult works

I don't think you realise a lot of things that are happening around you

What group are you refering to? Where is this "group"?You keep saying that there is a "group" that I am part of, but you have not provided evidence that I am a member of any group, or that such a group exists. Provide something that proves that there is such a group.

Groups can have a sense of identity and exclusion of others but that does not make them a cult.

"Not being one of them" does not mean that "them" are considered a cult.

The probelm that I see here is this:
You say that a characteristics of cults is exclusivity and following of rules.
But while it could be said that all cults can be said to have these characteristics, the reverse cannot be said to be true. In other words, not all groups with these characteristics can be considered cults.

You are trying to label this in a way that fits your viewpoint. You already decided that this is a cult, and now you are trying to find loose characteristics of a cult that you can try to apply to this.

You are assuming that these concepts that are stated here are being applied in the way that you imply that they are, in order to state that they have characteristics, and then stating that those characteristics must mean that it is a cult. In every one of these steps youa re making a stretch of faulty reasoning in order to support the idea that you already concluded beforehand.

These "rules" are not characteristics of being a part of a group, they are just steps that are said to need to be taken to succeed. You are making this out to be some set of rules for a cult. What religion do you know that does not have rules? Are you going to call religions cults because they have rules that they want their members to follow?

Pseudo philosophy? The concept of there being consequences for your actions is completely reasonable.

You are completely wrong, I do not just insult people when they argue with me, I actually am able to explain myself to them. For you to day this shows what attitude you have towards me.

There were not many times that I called someone soulless that I was arguing with. Can you see any time on Project Avalon where I called someone else soulless as an insult? Because there are no times there that I did. I am not being"dishonest" this is a word that people like you like to throw at me. It is dishonest the way that others have been trying to label me as dishonest.

What I said about ignorance was that others were making statements that were based in ignorance. That is a legitimate critique of them, it is more than just an insult. This critique is something that I could apply to you, that your statements here are based in ignorance.

All of the posts that you have made have been addressed specifically about my thread.
You just registered the same day that I made my post so that you could argue with me on my post.
You are most likely someone from another forum, probably Project Avalon, who was inspired by what they said about this being a cult.

There is nothing on her patreon that is exclusive to her patreon followers, she only reuploads the youtube videos that she has made onto her patreon.
Even though she has a patreon I don't see any group associated with her pateeon, there is no organized collection of people on her patreon, it is just a disorganized and loose connection of a very few individuals.

A cult is an organized group, and there is no such organized group here.

Emil El Zapato
15th October 2019, 00:23
Well later...but I've reached some of this persons conclusions all on my own. Speaking for myself, I thinking separating oneself from soulless ones is a damn good idea... :)

sourcetruth
15th October 2019, 01:24
Well later...but I've reached some of this persons conclusions all on my own. Speaking for myself, I thinking separating oneself from soulless ones is a damn good idea... :)

:) It is a great idea...

I have also reached some of the conclusions of this channel on my own as well. Before I watched this channel, I was familiar with and held some of these concepts, although I also learned of original concepts that this channel speaks of.

Malisa
15th October 2019, 02:45
I checked and this group didn't seem to exist before 2016.

One question. Before you found yourself into this group, what religion did you follow, if any? And if none, why?

Malisa
15th October 2019, 03:11
What group are you refering to? Where is this "group"?You keep saying that there is a "group" that I am part of, but you have not provided evidence that I am a member of any group, or that such a group exists. Provide something that proves that there is such a group.

Groups can have a sense of identity and exclusion of others but that does not make them a cult.

"Not being one of them" does not mean that "them" are considered a cult.

No no, you see? You don't understand how things work, there are groups, religious groups and of other types, where people can just learn about a common interest but there is no requirement for them to perform certain rituals or pay money to be able to belong to it, or be accepted. If you have to follow some specific rules or rituals and fail to do and you get expelled, then it is a group that follows a cult



The probelm that I see here is this:
You say that a characteristics of cults is exclusivity and following of rules.
But while it could be said that all cults can be said to have these characteristics, the reverse cannot be said to be true. In other words, not all groups with these characteristics can be considered cults.

Explain why not, of course they are, you are saying something but not explaining your reasoning. You only said "i think this" but not why



You are trying to label this in a way that fits your viewpoint. You already decided that this is a cult, and now you are trying to find loose characteristics of a cult that you can try to apply to this.

Well that should have been obvious, and this is why i think you have been manipulated badly. You are looking at the cult from your point of view, and you looked for salvation on the cult. Of course you are not going to find anything wrong with it



You are assuming that these concepts that are stated here are being applied in the way that you imply that they are, in order to state that they have characteristics, and then stating that those characteristics must mean that it is a cult.

I think you need to review your English skills, as it is right now, you did not make much sense here. It is a cult because it acts like a cult, has the usual rules a cult has, leads people into the same direction a cult does, has the exact same patterns a cult has. Has a leader that expects full obedience of you and requires you to act in a certain way or you fall out of grace, that's exactly what a cult leader does

If it matches all the aspects of a cult, then is not a cult. That's your line of thinking right now. As said before, you seem to be in full denial



In every one of these steps youa re making a stretch of faulty reasoning in order to support the idea that you already concluded beforehand.




These "rules" are not characteristics of being a part of a group, they are just steps that are said to need to be taken to succeed. You are making this out to be some set of rules for a cult.

Pseudo philosophy? The concept of there being consequences for your actions is completely reasonable.

And the "steps" are exactly what you are required to follow when you belong to a cult, indoctrination steps. You are not very well informed about how a cult works, clearly

It IS a set of rules, you won't be able to achieve what you call connection to the source unless you follow those "steps", and the price to pay is to not be saved



What religion do you know that does not have rules? Are you going to call religions cults because they have rules that they want their members to follow?

Most religions won't exclude you if you can't pay, that's what a cult does. And the patreon site is very specific about it, if you don't pay, you don't play



You are completely wrong, I do not just insult people when they argue with me, I actually am able to explain myself to them. For you to day this shows what attitude you have towards me.

I speak from what i have seen, you have been calling people ignorant and soulless because they did not agree with you, like i said, google is simple to use and we can find all your comments if needed

I think it would be a good experience for you to stop the arrogance and accept you can make mistakes and have been acting out of control several times. Instead of trying to rewrite history and reality to fit your views of yourself



There were not many times that I called someone soulless that I was arguing with. Can you see any time on Project Avalon where I called someone else soulless as an insult? Because there are no times there that I did. I am not
being"dishonest" this is a word that people like you like to throw at me. It is dishonest the way that others have been trying to label me as dishonest.

People like me?

I don't know what Project Avalon is, but i'll look it up, you seem to have an arrogant way of thinking anyone that points out the flaws in your religion is lesser than you. And that's exactly another sign you belong to a cult



What I said about ignorance was that others were making statements that were based in ignorance. That is a legitimate critique of them, it is more than just an insult. This critique is something that I could apply to you, that your statements here are based in ignorance.

You are not very well informed about your own religion, but you consider yourself able to judge others while you are making the exact same mistakes and lack a complete understanding of what's happening in your mind



All of the posts that you have made have been addressed specifically about my thread.

Of course, we are discussing your thread.. I'm not sure what you expected otherwise



You just registered the same day that I made my post so that you could argue with me on my post.
You are most likely someone from another forum, probably Project Avalon, who was inspired by what they said about this being a cult.

Why are you acting paranoid? Do you have something to hide and feel in danger of it being exposed?
I'm trying to have a conversation here, but now it seems you are trying to get away from me in a hurry, and now you are basically calling me ignorant because i question the cult logic and teachings. Once again, a clear sign of a cult follower



There is nothing on her patreon that is exclusive to her patreon followers, she only reuploads the youtube videos that she has made onto her patreon.
Even though she has a patreon I don't see any group associated with her pateeon, there is no organized collection of people on her patreon, it is just a disorganized and loose connection of a very few individuals.

How do you know that? So you belong to her patreon? How much do you pay monthly for re-education?

Why is she charging to be able to access it like that? It doesn't look like you want to reply to my actual questions about it, you gave me vague answers instead




A cult is an organized group, and there is no such organized group here.


See you don't really understand how this works. A cult is NOT an organized group, that's how you are trying to excuse reality away. A cult can work as cells and program people to act on their own, just like ISIS does, so people who have been programmed up to some acceptable level are let go to go live a "normal life" until they are triggered and start acting their pre-programmed part

You are acting in some very specific ways which makes me think you have been reprogrammed.

In all the forums you have been, you have talked to numerous people, and you have not been interested in anything but Source Truth and explaining the group teachings. That's just a perfect example or programming and how cult members direct themselves on life. You just don't know it because you have been completely trapped inside by now

Understand that i'm pointing out sings of danger to you, and trying to provide you with an alternative vision that may allow you to see reality with full criteria. You may be in danger and you don't know it

I asked you about what happens when people stop paying and what if you are a great source player and fail to pay. You ignored that question but i believe you should reply honestly

Your OP says people like you are living on a secondary matrix, so that means you have to die to wake up on the primary matrix? Is suicide an option?

What happens to people that dies without knowing about the matrix or Source Truth, but that were source players?

There are a lot of inconsistencies on your theories posted on the OP, but you seem to be unable to see them

Malisa
15th October 2019, 03:24
You seem to be very unexperienced, i can tell by some of your thoughts about what i ask

For example, you said there is no group but clearly there is, you are an internet group, you gather around a person posting videos on Youtube that also has a patreon site where you can go pay for further information about her teachings, all behind a private pay to play garden

If that's isn't a clear sign for you that you have been recruited into a cult then you have more serious issues to deal with. I believe the questions i posed to you that you skipped are critical to define what's going on here

Allow me to quote myself here


If you watched all the 400+ videos, and want to continue learning, you have to pay? She has blocked access to anyone who doesn't pay, and she clearly has pointed that if you stop paying, you are rejected. You can't ask questions or chat with other members of the group unless you pay! Isn't that bad in your eyes?

Should we then assume that it doesn't matter if you are a source player or not, as long as you pay you are accepted, but even if you were a great source player if you stop paying you will be excluded from the group? Again that's how a cult works


There is such a thing as Internet Cults, did you know? You don't have to meet in person or talk to belong to one, you just need to perform the rituals and do your part

At this time you are working for the cult by distributing online religious pamphlets and sharing the word

Malisa
15th October 2019, 03:35
You seem to be very unexperienced, i can tell by some of your thoughts about what i ask

For example, you said there is no group but clearly there is, you are an internet group, you gather around a person posting videos on Youtube that also has a patreon site where you can go pay for further information about her teachings, all behind a private pay to play garden

If that's isn't a clear sign for you that you have been recruited into a cult then you have more serious issues to deal with. I believe the questions i posed to you that you skipped are critical to define what's going on here

Allow me to quote myself here


There is such a thing as Internet Cults, did you know? You don't have to meet in person or talk to belong to one, you just need to perform the rituals and do your part

At this time you are working for the cult by distributing online religious pamphlets and sharing the word

About the fact that you insult people who doesn't agree with you, it seems to be a clear sign that you are unbalanced and have thing to sort inside you. People who see everyone with paranoia or as enemies usually have dangerous unsolved issues inside them, you should consider this as a form of advice for your own wellbeing, you can't go far in life acting like that all the time, regardless of what the other people think of you or your religion. That can lead to fundamentalist ideologies, did you know?

You need to be prepared to let go when people doesn't like or care about your findings or how you see reality around you. You seem to get very attached to the arguments when you should actually just not care and live your life and learning process in peace

From all the sites and posts you have made, i think you should have learned that most people don't want to learn about Source Truth. So you are wasting your energy trying to show something people don't like, you should focus that energy in your own learning process. Even if no one will ever know. It's not your task to be a messenger of the religion, or is it?

Aragorn
15th October 2019, 05:14
[...] the soulless ones [...]

There is no such thing.

sourcetruth
15th October 2019, 06:22
You seem to be very unexperienced, i can tell by some of your thoughts about what i ask

For example, you said there is no group but clearly there is, you are an internet group, you gather around a person posting videos on Youtube that also has a patreon site where you can go pay for further information about her teachings, all behind a private pay to play garden

If that's isn't a clear sign for you that you have been recruited into a cult then you have more serious issues to deal with. I believe the questions i posed to you that you skipped are critical to define what's going on here

Allow me to quote myself here


There is such a thing as Internet Cults, did you know? You don't have to meet in person or talk to belong to one, you just need to perform the rituals and do your part

At this time you are working for the cult by distributing online religious pamphlets and sharing the word

Where are the other group members? Where are we gathering around her?

You are just trying to redefine things in order to fit your perspective. If you want to use your own distorted and twisted definition of a cult to match your predetermined interpretation, then go ahead. You will only keep moving the goalposts when you are called out on your definitions.

You are way too forceful in asserting that this is a cult, you seem focused on using this word with a negative connotation associated with it. It is a common tactic of trying to put something in a box, people do it all of the time. When people do it with negative labels though, it is a tactic that they use when they want to associate negative connotations wirh something, so that they can be against it.

And I am not part of her patreon page, so I do not see how else you would consider me to be part of any group.


There is no such thing.

Yes there is such thing.

There are NPCs in a computer stimulation, are there not?

Malisa
15th October 2019, 06:40
Where are the other group members? Where are we gathering around her?

On the internet of course, did you even read my post?

This is an Internet Cult, it's already well defined how these cults work, you just need to start reading more so that you are better educated and don't fall for the traps. There is a very well defined behavior about how Internet Cults work, and there are hundred studies about how people like you fall into the cult traps and how it all works. You are just not aware of it because you are in need of some good reading before you figure out you know it all

Does the brain knows it exists inside a vat? There is a famous study about this aspect of psychology. If a brain was inside a vat, and was receiving electrical signals that makes it think it's living a pure normal life like any other human being, how would it figure out that its reality is not true and the real existence is, this brain is just some random brain floating in a vat?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_in_a_vat

Since the argument says one cannot know whether one is a brain in a vat, then one cannot know whether most of one's beliefs might be completely false

Now don't get angry lady, we are just trying to figure out how this Source Truth system works and validate those bold claims you made on the OP

Any theory or proposal must be looked into. Did you expect people to believe blindly?



Says who?


Isn't it clear HE said it? His opinion is as true as the lady on your channel

You could try to prove him wrong however


As a side note, would you be able to answer the following question?

What do you expect from people who read your OP?
1. To go watch the 400+ videos?
2. Tell you that yes you are right?
3. Believe and join the teaching experience and start posting your same OP across every site they can find on the web?
4. Go to the patreon site and become a contributor?
5. Kill themselves in order to wake up in the primary matrix?

You seem to avoid answering some key questions, which leads me to believe you don't understand those concepts at all

Malisa
15th October 2019, 06:53
Where are the other group members? Where are we gathering around her?

You are just trying to redefine things in order to fit your perspective. If you want to use your own distorted and twisted definition of a cult to match your predetermined interpretation, then go ahead. You will only keep moving the goalposts when you are called out on your definitions.


Not really no, i'm asking questions, which you are avoiding, you did say she has truth and as far as we can see, you have none
I have not moved any goal posts, but you clearly did, i asked you right from the beginning some questions and you immediately jumped into a paranoia lapse. There are some issues you have to deal, health issues probably



You are way too forceful in asserting that this is a cult, you seem focused on using this word with a negative connotation associated with it. It is a common tactic of trying to put something in a box, people do it all of the time. When people do it with negative labels though, it is a tactic that they use when they want to associate negative connotations wirh something, so that they can be against it.

I have already listed all the reasons and pointed out how and why it is a cult, based on real information and studies from other cults, current and past. You have provided nothing to prove otherwise.

So it is a cult since you can't provide any evidence to the contrary



And I am not part of her patreon page, so I do not see how else you would consider me to be part of any group.

Then how do you know what happens in there? Are you lying on her behalf then?

If you are not a Patreon, then you are lying about what you said before, and that's very dishonest and puts you in a very bad light



There is nothing on her patreon that is exclusive to her patreon followers, she only reuploads the youtube videos that she has made onto her patreon.
Even though she has a patreon I don't see any group associated with her pateeon, there is no organized collection of people on her patreon, it is just a disorganized and loose connection of a very few individuals.

If you don't know how she handles the Patreon, how did you know to answer this to my question?

Are you lying? Clearly you are replying on her behalf, making excuses for her. So you must know her, right? But then this conflict with what you just said

How can you know the inner workings of the Patreon, if you are not a member?



Yes there is such thing.

There are NPCs in a computer stimulation, are there not?


You have not proved your claims that this is one, and if it was, the way you act would seem to indicate you are one of them, since you seem to have no joy or purpose other than sharing the Source Truth word

Don't you realise what position you are on right now? Did you put yourself on this position or someone else did for you?

sourcetruth
15th October 2019, 06:55
On the internet of course, did you even read my post?

This is an Internet Cult, it's already well defined how these cults work, you just need to start reading more so that you are better educated and don't fall for the traps. There is a very well defined behavior and there are hundred studies about how people like you fall into the cult traps and how it all works. You are just not aware of it

Does the brain knows he exists inside a vat? There is a famous study about this aspect of psychology. If a brain was inside a vat, and was receiving electrical signals that makes it thing it's living a pure normal life like any other human being, how would it figure out that its reality is not true and the real existence is just a brain in a vat?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_in_a_vat


Now don't get angry lady, we are just trying to figure out how this Source Truth system works and validate those bold claims you made on the OP

Any theory or proposal must be looked into. Did you expect people to believe blindly?



Isn't it clear HE said it? His opinion is as true as the lady on your channel

You could try to prove him wrong however


As a side note, would you be able to answer the following question?

What do you expect from people who read your OP?
1. To go watch the 400+ videos?
2. Tell you that yes you are right?
3. Believe and join the teaching experience and start posting your same OP across every site they can find on the web?
4. Go to the patreon site and become a contributor?
5. Kill themselves in order to wake up in the primary matrix?

You seem to avoid answering some key questions, which leads me to believe you don't understand those concepts at all

You are projecting the image of a cult group onto this youtube channel.

I don't expect anyone to believe blindly, but I also don't expect anyone to reject blindly.

What do I expect from people who read my OP?
1. Read my OP
2. Discuss the concepts that I presented in my OP ( as opposed to the channel itself)

I don't expect anyone to do anything else that you desrcibed, you are just trying to project am image onto me in opposition to me. You are clearly interested in misrepresenting me.

You have still not explained your position on the statements presented in the OP.

Aragorn
15th October 2019, 07:06
See you don't really understand how this works. A cult is NOT an organized group, that's how you are trying to excuse reality away. A cult can work as cells and program people to act on their own, just like ISIS does, so people who have been programmed up to some acceptable level are let go to go live a "normal life" until they are triggered and start acting their pre-programmed part

You are acting in some very specific ways which makes me think you have been reprogrammed.

That would indeed also be my impression. It's his way or the highway, and if you say something that doesn't jive with his programming, then he short-circuits, goes into full-on ignore mode regarding your argumentation, and pretends that you didn't say anything at all.

And that raises a big red flag for me. : Sherlock:






For example, you said there is no group but clearly there is, you are an internet group, you gather around a person posting videos on Youtube that also has a patreon site where you can go pay for further information about her teachings, all behind a private pay to play garden

If that's isn't a clear sign for you that you have been recruited into a cult then you have more serious issues to deal with. I believe the questions i posed to you that you skipped are critical to define what's going on here

Where are the other group members? Where are we gathering around her?

On YouTube and Patreon. Stop deflecting and ignoring. Kai told you exactly how it works.




[...] the soulless ones [...]

There is no such thing.

Says who?

Says yours truly. I may not have a gazillion videos up on YouTube and I may not have a Patreon page, but I do have my own spiritual knowledge, and I don't need any YouTube talking heads who ate a couple of psilocybin mushrooms to educate me on what I already know.

I am not ─ and have never been ─ like other people, and there are things I know with the utmost certainty, just as that there are things I don't know about at all (and that I do not care knowing about). I am also not the only one who knows these things, because there are several others here on Earth who are just like me. In fact, if I were twisted enough, then I could in theory even start a cult of my own, but that's not how I roll.

There is a lot more that you need to learn about living in the physical reality before you can even start thinking about your role in the spiritual one. One of the things you need to learn is that YouTube opinions or even opinions expressed in books are not always factual ─ and especially not on account of spiritual matters ─ and that the internet is full of people with mental disorders who believe they are the incarnation of this or that, or that they are in contact with the Virgin Mary, or whatever. Mentally ill people have internet access too these days, you know? And then there are the psychopaths and the narcissists, and they all have their own YouTube channels nowadays. And they can monetize them too, by allowing ads on their videos.

It's a free world ─ or at least, that's what we're always being told ─ and you are free to believe in whatever you want, even if it means that you're utterly wrong. You are also free to ram your head into a concrete wall or jump off a cliff. You're certainly not the first, and you just as certainly won't be the last. And from where I'm sitting, that's exactly where you're headed.

The fact that you felt the need to post the same material at now at least three forums that I'm aware of ─ i.e. Above Top Secret, Project Avalon and here ─ tells me you're proselytizing/evangelizing. And that's not going to work here, for two reasons:


The people here are smarter than you think; and
We're not going to allow any cult to recruit members here.


Just a friendly but nevertheless firm warning, and it would behoove you to heed it.

Malisa
15th October 2019, 07:10
You are projecting the image of a cult group onto this youtube channel.

I don't expect anyone to believe blindly, but I also don't expect anyone to reject blindly.

What do I expect from people who read my OP?
1. Read my OP
2. Discuss the concepts that I presented in my OP ( as opposed to the channel itself)

I don't expect anyone to do anything else that you desrcibed, you are just trying to project am image onto me in opposition to me. You are clearly interested in misrepresenting me.


The concepts presented by the youtube channel are 100% associated with how a cult indoctrinates people, so i'm here trying to discuss why your group is acting like a cult in all known ways

You want me to discuss the teachings, while ignoring the primary purpose of the channel (to recruit members)?

That's not how life works lady, you have to show some honesty and purpose in life, just saying "go watch the videos and learn my lessons" is not enough. Give me a reason to go do that, but not one that involved blind fate, because that's all you are doing right now



You have still not explained your position on the statements presented in the OP.

Of course i did, i told you it's exactly what a cult performs on people who need some help or love, the exact same pattern that leads into recruiting people for a cult

Are i'm even talking to the same person as before? It would seem you complete forgot what i posted earlier


You did not even bother to look at the link i posted, right? It's obvious you did not, you think you know better and don't need advice from a "soulless" and "ignorant" person


I already did read your OP, that's why i'm asking questions about it. I don't think you are even bothering to read anything anyone writes beyond a few words here and there, then you reply with anger because is not what you wished you had been asked

I built a small profile of you, check it out. And this is by no means a professional work, but my notes just point to extremely visible issues anyone else can probably see as well

Source Truth person:

- Bothered by people inspecting the cult in detail (rejects people who doesn’t ask the right questions that lead into getting recruited) (XX cult hint)
- Paranoid, everyone who disagrees with the teachings is after him (as a potential enemy of the cult) (XX cult hint)
- Hides the past and get nervous and inpatient when questions are asked about it (family issues? rape or abandonment and rejection feelings)
- Gets angry with people who doesn’t follow the script and those who ask unexpected questions (XX cult hint)
- Tries to dismiss people who are not going to play nice (insecure and wants to reject people out of his perfect world)
- Gives vague answers when a question brings up a problem or shows the cult in a bad light
- Possibly involved in family issues that lead him to run away or escape into a reality where he is beyond everyone that hurts him
- Anger management issues (he’s trying to prevent showing them but gets angrier the most people reply with what he would call “ignorance”) (XX cult hint)

Some of that stuff is contradictory at times, it seems like you have been influenced heavily by at least two persons, if not more, you can't agree with yourself sometimes and that makes you feel hate and anger

You're not aware of this but you have been extremely open about this without realising it, on this very thread. So as i said, you have very deep internal issues you have to deal with, for your own good and the wellbeing of people around you

Understand that i'm not trying to attack you as you believed before, i'm trying to figure out what's going on with you

And i was clear when i pointed all the aspects of this Source Truth religion and how it exactly matches a cult, but i don't believe you read or really gave them a second thought

You replied to me again but once more you decided to ignore my questions and instead went sideways, focusing on the minor issues i brought up. This again shows you have ulterior motives and have not been trained properly to handle difficult questions, hence your palpable anger in your past replies

Chris
15th October 2019, 07:33
In fact, if I were twisted enough, then I could in theory even start a cult of my own, but that's not how I roll.

Hey, I'm in. When do we start? :p


There is a lot more that you need to learn about living in the physical reality before you can even start thinking about your role in the spiritual one. One of the things you need to learn is that YouTube opinions or even opinions expressed in books are not always factual ─ and especially not on account of spiritual matters ─ and that the internet is full of people with mental disorders who believe they are the incarnation of this or that, or that they are in contact with the Virgin Mary, or whatever. Mentally ill people have internet access too these days, you know? And then there are the psychopaths and the narcissists, and they all have their own YouTube channels nowadays. And they can monetize them too, by allowing ads on their videos.

I think it's an epidemic, honestly. By my estimation, most people who claim to be spiritual, enlightened, avatars, incarnations, etc... are at the very least mentally unstable, if not full-on loony. I am also a member of Spiritual Forums, where this sort of behaviour is actually encouraged. I was recently censured for pointing out to an obvious nutcase that he was unlikely to be simultaneously the earthly incarnation of Zeus, Apollo, Ra and Horus, especially since Greek and Egyptian Gods don't incarnate on earth. Apparently, I was way too unsensitive, so my comment was deleted. The upshot is that said genius, who is about 20, remembers creating the world as Zeus and can create storms and lightning at will. I wish I was making this all up...

I really do despair at the state of the alternative and spiritual community, no wonder it is ignored by serious people.

That is not to say there are no exceptions of course, but it is hard to take the genuine people seriously, when there are so many narcissists, frauds and straight-on crazies.

sourcetruth
15th October 2019, 07:48
Of course i did, i told you it's exactly what a cult performs on people who need some help or love, the exact same pattern that leads into recruiting people for a cult

Are i'm even talking to the same person as before? It would seem you complete forgot what i posted earlier


You did not even bother to look at the link i posted, right? It's obvious you did not, you think you know better and don't need advice from a "soulless" and "ignorant" person


I already did read your OP, that's why i'm asking questions about it. I don't think you are even bothering to read anything anyone writes beyond a few words here and there, then you reply with anger because is not what you wished you had been asked

I built a small profile of you, check it out. And this is by no means a professional work, but my notes just point to extremely visible issues anyone else can probably see as well

Source Truth person:

- Bothered by people inspecting the cult in detail (rejects people who doesn’t ask the right questions that lead into getting recruited) (XX cult hint)
- Paranoid, everyone who disagrees with the teachings is after him (as a potential enemy of the cult) (XX cult hint)
- Hides the past and get nervous and inpatient when questions are asked about it (family issues? rape or abandonment and rejection feelings)
- Gets angry with people who doesn’t follow the script and those who ask unexpected questions (XX cult hint)
- Tries to dismiss people who are not going to play nice (insecure and wants to reject people out of his perfect world)
- Gives vague answers when a question brings up a problem or shows the cult in a bad light
- Possibly involved in family issues that lead him to run away or escape into a reality where he is beyond everyone that hurts him
- Anger management issues (he’s trying to prevent showing them but gets angrier the most people reply with what he would call “ignorance”) (XX cult hint)

Some of that stuff is contradictory at times, it seems like you have been influenced heavily by at least two persons, if not more, you can't agree with yourself sometimes and that makes you feel hate and anger

You're not aware of this but you have been extremely open about this without realising it, on this very thread. So as i said, you have very deep internal issues you have to deal with, for your own good and the wellbeing of people around you

Understand that i'm not trying to attack you as you believed before, i'm trying to figure out what's going on with you

And i was clear when i pointed all the aspects of this Source Truth religion and how it exactly matches a cult, but i don't believe you read or really gave them a second thought



You are not asking questions about the concepts that I presented in my OP.

If you think that this is a cult and is wrong, why don't you address the concepts that I brought up in my OP and tell me how I am wrong.

You want to project this idea of a cult onto this because you disagree with it. If you disagree about this then explain what your position is on some of the concepts presented in the OP.

I don't see any legitimate questions about the concepts presented that you are asking. What I see is someone who tries to label this as a cult instead of wanting to explain why they disagree with the concepts presented.

I looked at the link that you posted long before you ever linked to it here. I have read about some of these concepts about consciousness before.

If you provided a legitimate critique of this that was not based on trying to project a negative label onto this, then maybe I wouldn't be "replying with anger".

Your "profile" of me is just an example of how you want to project a negative image onto me.

You are "trying to figure out" me? Well I will tell you that you have no idea about me, you only have your negative opinion of me. There is always a positive and a negative perspective that you can hold, and when it comes to me, you choose to hold only the negative perspective.


That would indeed also be my impression. It's his way or the highway, and if you say something that doesn't jive with his programming, then he short-circuits, goes into full-on ignore mode regarding your argumentation, and pretends that you didn't say anything at all.

And that raises a big red flag for me. : Sherlock:






On YouTube and Patreon. Stop deflecting and ignoring. Kai told you exactly how it works.



Says yours truly. I may not have a gazillion videos up on YouTube and I may not have a Patreon page, but I do have my own spiritual knowledge, and I don't need any YouTube talking heads who ate a couple of psilocybin mushrooms to educate me on what I already know.

I am not ─ and have never been ─ like other people, and there are things I know with the utmost certainty, just as that there are things I don't know about at all (and that I do not care knowing about). I am also not the only one who knows these things, because there are several others here on Earth who are just like me. In fact, if I were twisted enough, then I could in theory even start a cult of my own, but that's not how I roll.

There is a lot more that you need to learn about living in the physical reality before you can even start thinking about your role in the spiritual one. One of the things you need to learn is that YouTube opinions or even opinions expressed in books are not always factual ─ and especially not on account of spiritual matters ─ and that the internet is full of people with mental disorders who believe they are the incarnation of this or that, or that they are in contact with the Virgin Mary, or whatever. Mentally ill people have internet access too these days, you know? And then there are the psychopaths and the narcissists, and they all have their own YouTube channels nowadays. And they can monetize them too, by allowing ads on their videos.

It's a free world ─ or at least, that's what we're always being told ─ and you are free to believe in whatever you want, even if it means that you're utterly wrong. You are also free to ram your head into a concrete wall or jump off a cliff. You're certainly not the first, and you just as certainly won't be the last. And from where I'm sitting, that's exactly where you're headed.

The fact that you felt the need to post the same material at now at least three forums that I'm aware of ─ i.e. Above Top Secret, Project Avalon and here ─ tells me you're proselytizing/evangelizing. And that's not going to work here, for two reasons:


The people here are smarter than you think; and
We're not going to allow any cult to recruit members here.


Just a friendly but nevertheless firm warning, and it would behoove you to heed it.

Being on youtube and patreon does not make it a cult. I am not the one "deflecting and ignoring".

If you think that you have spiritual knowledge, then why don't you comment on some of the statements that I presented in my OP and explain how it relates with your own spiritual knowledge?

I am well aware that opinions expressed by others are not always factual, I don't always agree with other's opinions. For example, people could express the idea that everyone has a soul, and I would reject that idea because I don't think that it is reasonable to conclude that everyone has a soul.

You are free to explain yourself and your position on this topic, but don't resort to calling this a cult just because you disagree.


Hey, I'm in. When do we start? :p



I think it's an epidemic, honestly. By my estimation, most people who claim to be spiritual, enlightened, avatars, incarnations, etc... are at the very least mentally unstable, if not full-on loony. I am also a member of Spiritual Forums, where this sort of behaviour is actually encouraged. I was recently censured for pointing out to an obvious nutcase that he was unlikely to be simultaneously the earthly incarnation of Zeus, Apollo, Ra and Horus, especially since Greek and Egyptian Gods don't incarnate on earth. Apparently, I was way too unsensitive, so my comment was deleted. The upshot is that said genius, who is about 20, remembers creating the world as Zeus and can create storms and lightning at will. I wish I was making this all up...

I really do despair at the state of the alternative and spiritual community, no wonder it is ignored by serious people.

That is not to say there are no exceptions of course, but it is hard to take the genuine people seriously, when there are so many narcissists, frauds and straight-on crazies.

I completely agree with you on this, the current state of the spiritual community is not based in reasonable thinking.

I take the search for answers to the questions about this reality seriously, and what I am seeing in the spiritual community is not a rigorous application of logical thinking. I am someone who adheres to the principles of logical thinking and reason.

Malisa
15th October 2019, 08:03
You are not asking questions about the concepts that I presented in my OP.

If you think that this is a cult and is wrong, why don't you address the concepts that I brought up in my OP and tell me how I am wrong.



I already told you all the specifics about this, why are you so keen on keep that one single aspect going? Why is it so important to you, to prove it is not a cult?

You have your own reality, you 'know' it is true, why you care so much about what other people think? You keep proving me right post by post, don't you see the problem in yourself?



You want to project this idea of a cult onto this because you disagree with it. If you disagree about this then explain what your position is on some of the concepts presented in the OP.

I don't want to project anything, i provided concepts that clearly defined what you are experiencing, you did not even bother to attempt to understand them, i even provided a link that i thought you would find helpful, you ignored it



I don't see any legitimate questions about the concepts presented that you are asking. What I see is someone who tries to label this as a cult instead of wanting to explain why they disagree with the concepts presented.

There are no concepts presented that were not meant to indoctrinate people and make cult followers out of them, using old techniques that are very well defined and identified in any cult study from the last 50 years at least. But you are unaware of it because your education is lacking

When did you drop out of school? And why did you?



I looked at the link that you posted long before you ever linked to it here. I have read about some of these concepts about consciousness before.

Of course you did not, this is an even worse than what you did before, it's painfully obvious



If you provided a legitimate critique of this that was not based on trying to project a negative label onto this, then maybe I wouldn't be "replying with anger".

I already did provide legitimate critique, you live in a cult mentality, you just can't accept it due to some issues you have. And you are completely proving me right, post by post



Your "profile" of me is just an example of how you want to project a negative image onto me.

You are "trying to figure out" me? Well I will tell you that you have no idea about me, you only have your negative opinion of me. There is always a positive and a negative perspective that you can hold, and when it comes to me, you choose to hold only the negative perspective.

I'm not trying, i already did, your online activity speaks for you :)




Being on youtube and patreon does not make it a cult. I am not the one "deflecting and ignoring".

Asking for money so people can be "saved" and accepting everyone as a "Source player" and then expelling them from the cult once they have no money, makes it a cult



If you think that you have spiritual knowledge, then why don't you comment on some of the statements that I presented in my OP and explain how it relates with your own spiritual knowledge?

Because i have already seen the same concepts too many times and your leader is just rehashing very old concepts, who uneducated people like you fall for very easily due to ignorance of the real world

She's taking advantage of you

You want people to discuss the cult teachings in a desperate attempt to bring some followers, but you don't understand yet, that your targets are not people who care to discuss. It seems again you failed to read what i posted, since i already explained this to you some posts ago..



I am well aware that opinions expressed by others are not always factual, I don't always agree with other's opinions. For example, people could express the idea that everyone has a soul, and I would reject that idea because I don't think that it is reasonable to conclude that everyone has a soul.

You are free to explain yourself and your position on this topic, but don't resort to calling this a cult just because you disagree.

It is a cult, i have provided clear points about it, and you have decided to pretend i did not

You keep accumulating questions you pretend don't exist, that's very telling about what you came to do here

Allow me again to quote myself



if you watched all the 400+ videos, and want to continue learning, you have to pay? She has blocked access to anyone who doesn't pay, and she clearly has pointed that if you stop paying, you are rejected. You can't ask questions or chat with other members of the group unless you pay! Isn't that bad in your eyes?

Should we then assume that it doesn't matter if you are a source player or not, as long as you pay you are accepted, but even if you were a great source player if you stop paying you will be excluded from the group? Again that's how a cult works

What do you expect from people who read your OP?
1. To go watch the 400+ videos?
2. Tell you that yes you are right?
3. Believe and join the teaching experience and start posting your same OP across every site they can find on the web?
4. Go to the patreon site and become a contributor?
5. Kill themselves in order to wake up in the primary matrix?

sourcetruth
15th October 2019, 08:37
I already told you all the specifics about this, why are you so keen on keep that one single aspect going? Why is it so important to you, to prove it is not a cult?

You have your own reality, you 'know' it is true, why you care so much about what other people think? You keep proving me right post by post, don't you see the problem in yourself?


Why is it so important to you to prove that it is a cult?


I don't want to project anything, i provided concepts that clearly defined what you are experiencing, you did not even bother to attempt to understand them, i even provided a link that i thought you would find helpful, you ignored it


You are indeed projecting the cult image onto this. You are very forcefully asserting this and then projecting this assertion onto it.


There are no concepts presented that were not meant to indoctrinate people and make cult followers out of them, using old techniques that are very well defined and identified in any cult study from the last 50 years at least. But you are unaware of it because your education is lacking

When did you drop out of school? And why did you?

You want to make these concepts out as if the only reason for them is to indoctrinate people. That is just what you are making out of them to be.

Now you have to insult me by suggesting that I dropped out of school. And you said I was the one insulting people?
I am not insulting you in any way in any of my replies to you.


Of course you did not, this is an even worse than what you did before, it's painfully obvious


The only thing that is painfully obvious is how antagonistic you are towards me. You are so antagonistic towards me that you are not even willing to acknowledge anything I say, you just want to be antagonistic. This is another example of your antagonism to anything that I say.


I already did provide legitimate critique, you live in a cult mentality, you just can't accept it due to some issues you have. And you are completely proving me right, post by post


Legitimate critique is not one that focuses on intentionally using negatively charged labels in an antagonism.


I'm not trying, i already did, your online activity speaks for you


Your online activity speaks for you as well, it speaks of how antagonistic you are towards me.

In your antagonism you are only willing to hold onto a negative view about me.


Because i have already seen the same concepts too many times and your leader is just rehashing very old concepts, who uneducated people like you fall for very easily due to ignorance of the real world

She's taking advantage of you


In what way is she taking advantage of me? There is no way that I am being taken advantage of, I am just being educated on a topic.

She is not just rehashing old concepts, although some of the concepts that she talks about are known by others, she does provide a lot of original information. I looked into her videos and she does have a lot of original information.

Would you care to state if you agree or disagree with these "rehashed concepts"?


Asking for money so people can be "saved" and accepting everyone as a "Source player" and then expelling them from the cult once they have no money, makes it a cult


She only runs a patreon and a youtube page. There is nothing wrong with her having either of these pages.



You want people to discuss the cult teachings in a desperate attempt to bring some followers, but you don't understand yet, that your targets are not people who care to discuss. It seems again you failed to read what i posted, since i already explained this to you some posts ago..

It is clear that you are saying here that you do not want to discuss any of the concepts presented in the topic, you are only interested in bashing it. If you think that this is wrong then why aren't you willing to discuss this topic? There is no excuse for refusing to discuss this topic, it is just an indication of how antagonistic you are and how unwilling you are to actually discuss this topic.


It is a cult, i have provided clear points about it, and you have decided to pretend i did not

You keep accumulating questions you pretend don't exist, that's very telling about what you came to do here


Your "points" are not sufficient to conclude that it must be a cult.

What is very telling of what you cane to do here is shown by your immediate antagonism and focus on negatively labeling it, and the fact that you registered on the day I made this post and have only posted on my thread.

Malisa
15th October 2019, 08:40
Your "profile" of me is just an example of how you want to project a negative image onto me.

Actually no, that's the image you project, that's why no matter where you go, you find the exact same reactions from everyone on the web

Tell us then, how many people you have found that fell exited and willing as soon as they hear 'the word' you are sharing?

If we look on the web right now, it would seem to be zero. And again, a simple google search is all that's needed to prove it any other way



I take the search for answers to the questions about this reality seriously, and what I am seeing in the spiritual community is not a rigorous application of logical thinking. I am someone who adheres to the principles of logical thinking and reason.


And yet you are doing the exact opposite, rejecting anyone who asks questions in the quest of finding the truth.

You should have worded this like so

I take the search for answers to the Source Truth reality seriously, and what I am seeing in the spiritual community is not a rigorous application of logical thinking (About Crystal Quartz)

You keep failing at explaining your reasoning but asking for people to answer questions somehow

Here's a clear explanation of how it usually works

- You post a theory
- People ask questions and challenge it
- You prove your theory by answering their questions until it becomes clear you have been proven right, or you are proven wrong
- Then you post more about your theory
- People asks more questions

You so far refuse to follow this approach, and well the proof of my words lies on your own posts

Your way seems to be

- You post a theory
- People ask the questions
- You don't like them and refuse to answer
- People challenge you
- You reject anything but the questions you expected from the script you learned by heart
- People refuses and asks more questions
- You call them ignorant and soulless

Is there anything missing here that we should be aware off?

Aianawa
15th October 2019, 08:46
A Question Kai, on cults, as I like and truth feel your words n thought, Q anon ?, you seen this ?, will put up Q thread for your look into if you will, in hoax section due to ummmm, beliefs.

Malisa
15th October 2019, 08:53
Why is it so important to you to prove that it is a cult?



You are indeed projecting the cult image onto this. You are very forcefully asserting this and then projecting this assertion onto it.



You want to make these concepts out as if the only reason for them is to indoctrinate people. That is just what you are making out of them to be.

Now you have to insult me by suggesting that I dropped out of school. And you said I was the one insulting people?
I am not insulting you in any way in any of my replies to you.



The only thing that is painfully obvious is how antagonistic you are towards me. You are so antagonistic towards me that you are not even willing to acknowledge anything I say, you just want to be antagonistic. This is another example of your antagonism to anything that I say.



Legitimate critique is not one that focuses on intentionally using negatively charged labels in an antagonism.



Your online activity speaks for you as well, it speaks of how antagonistic you are towards me.

In your antagonism you are only willing to hold onto a negative view about me.



In what way is she taking advantage of me? There is no way that I am being taken advantage of, I am just being educated on a topic.

She is not just rehashing old concepts, although some of the concepts that she talks about are known by others, she does provide a lot of original information. I looked into her videos and she does have a lot of original information.

Would you care to state if you agree or disagree with these "rehashed concepts"?



She only runs a patreon and a youtube page. There is nothing wrong with her having either of these pages.



It is clear that you are saying here that you do not want to discuss any of the concepts presented in the topic, you are only interested in bashing it. If you think that this is wrong then why aren't you willing to discuss this topic? There is no excuse for refusing to discuss this topic, it is just an indication of how antagonistic you are and how unwilling you are to actually discuss this topic.



Your "points" are not sufficient to conclude that it must be a cult.

[QUOTE]
What is very telling of what you cane to do here is shown by your immediate antagonism and focus on negatively labeling it, and the fact that you registered on the day I made this post and have only posted on my thread.


I don't think you understand how a forum works

The moment you posted this, it stopped being "your thread" and now it's the forum's thread, and everyone can comment here as they see fit. If something goes wrong the mods will act on it, even with you. You don't own this thread, you only opened it and then it is a task for the members to contribute, or simply ignore it

So anything said here can be considered on topic as long as it remains a discussion about the OP,and discussing how that channel behaves like a cult is directly related to your OP, which is like a religion pamphlet as i said before.

So it is valid to question if the channel is a cult or not, is that clear enough, lady?

sourcetruth
15th October 2019, 08:58
Actually no, that's the image you project, that's why no matter where you go, you find the exact same reactions from everyone on the web

Tell us then, how many people you have found that fell exited and willing as soon as they hear 'the word' you are sharing?

If we look on the web right now, it would seem to be zero. And again, a simple google search is all that's needed to prove it any other way



And yet you are doing the exact opposite, rejecting anyone who asks questions in the quest of finding the truth.

You should have worded this like so

I take the search for answers to the Source Truth reality seriously, and what I am seeing in the spiritual community is not a rigorous application of logical thinking (About Crystal Quartz)

You keep failing at explaining your reasoning but asking for people to answer questions somehow

Here's a clear explanation of how it usually works

- You post a theory
- People ask questions and challenge it
- You prove your theory by answering their questions until it becomes clear you have been proven right, or you are proven wrong

You so far refuse to follow this approach, and well the proof of my words lies on your own posts

You are not asking questions and challenging the concepts presented in the OP.

You are the one who is rejecting me and concepts that have the potential to provide an answer to questions in the search for truth.

The reason that it has gotten negative reactions is because of the nature of the material, not because of any way that I have acted. It faces incredible opposition coming from certain people from the start of the discussion, who form a hard stance of antagonism. This is exactly what is happening with you.


I don't think you understand how a forum works

The moment you posted this, it stopped being "your thread" and now it's the forum's thread, and everyone can comment here as they see fit. If something goes wrong the mods will act on it, even with you. You don't own this thread, you only opened it and then it is a task for the members to contribute, or simply ignore it

So anything said here can be considered on topic as long as it remains a discussion about the OP,and discussing how that channel behaves like a cult is directly related to your OP, which is like a religion pamphlet as i said before.

So it is valid to question if the channel is a cult or not, is that clear enough, lady?

What they comment here should be about the topic. If they are against it then they should explain their position on the concepts in the OP.

You are not "questioning" if this channel is a cult, you are asserting that it must be one.

Who are you calling lady?

Malisa
15th October 2019, 09:14
Well it seems like prophecy has been realised



Source, I will humbly invite you to begin your standard QC thread, and see how it fares here at TOT. It seems curious that you seem to have veered from your standard OP with your debut at this board as opposed to all the others. That might be my fault, I have been guilty of creating self fulfilling prophecies in the past.


https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11414-What-Motivates-Bill-Ryan-of-Project-Avalon-Community-Forum?p=842015338&viewfull=1#post842015338

I wonder lady, how do you not understand nobody wants to listen to that talk you are so dedicated into sharing?

Apparently from what everyone posts, it's just the same as usual, another day another lose i guess lady


You are not asking questions and challenging the concepts presented in the OP.

You are the one who is rejecting me and concepts that have the potential to provide an answer to questions in the search for truth.

The reason that it has gotten negative reactions is because of the nature of the material, not because of any way that I have acted. It faces incredible opposition coming from certain people from the start of the discussion, who form a hard stance of antagonism. This is exactly what is happening with you.



What they comment here should be about the topic. If they are against it then they should explain their position on the concepts in the OP.

You are not "questioning" if this channel is a cult, you are asserting that it must be one.

[QUOTE]
Who are you calling lady?


Well you of course, are you not a lady?

If not well i'm sorry dude, but you definitely write and express like one :)

Are you going to continue ignoring my questions?

I mean is not like i wrote 100 of them, just two or three. Eachy Peachy champion

I explained in a very clear and defined way that you have already posted your claims, and now i'm asking for proof of them and questioning the purposes of the channel i went through. And yet you refuse to answer, which clearly indicates you are hiding something

You are in a cult lady, you just can't accept it because your entire world would fall down in a minute

You need to understand that all the evidence matters more than vague words you throw out there, just to see which ones sticks

sourcetruth
15th October 2019, 09:18
Well it seems like prophecy has been realised



https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11414-What-Motivates-Bill-Ryan-of-Project-Avalon-Community-Forum?p=842015338&viewfull=1#post842015338

I wonder lady, how do you not understand nobody wants to listen to that talk you are so dedicated into sharing?

Apparently from what everyone posts, it's just the same as usual, another day another lose i guess lady

Well you of course, are you not a lady?

If not well i'm sorry dude, but you definitely write and express like one :)

Are you going to continue ignoring my questions?

I mean is not like i wrote 100 of them, just two or three. Eachy Peachy champion

I explained in a very clear and defined way that you have already posted your claims, and now i'm asking for proof of them and questioning the purposes of the channel i went through. And yet you refuse to answer, which clearly indicates you are hiding something

You are in a cult lady, you just can't accept it because your entire world would fall down in a minute

You need to understand that all the evidence matters more than vague words you throw out there, just to see which ones sticks

Show me the questions that you ask about the concepts in the OP.

Malisa
15th October 2019, 09:33
Show me the questions that you ask about the concepts in the OP.

Again?

Are you a different person from before? How can you not understand my questions?

You talked about the 400 videos but never what happened next, so i asked if you have to pay to learn more


if you watched all the 400+ videos, and want to continue learning, you have to pay?


Then i asked why she blocked the patreon site, since it is linked to the youtube videos and channel you posted and when i went there i read that warning about expelling members who don't pay.
So:


She has blocked access to anyone who doesn't pay, and she clearly has pointed that if you stop paying, you are rejected. You can't ask questions or chat with other members of the group unless you pay! Isn't that bad in your eyes?


And then


Should we then assume that it doesn't matter if you are a source player or not, as long as you pay you are accepted, but even if you were a great source player if you stop paying you will be excluded from the group?


Then these


What do you expect from people who read your OP?
1. To go watch the 400+ videos?
2. Tell you that yes you are right?
3. Believe and join the teaching experience and start posting your same OP across every site they can find on the web?
4. Go to the patreon site and become a contributor?
5. Kill themselves in order to wake up in the primary matrix?


All of these are the result of inspecting the channel and from what i read from your OP, these are direct doubts about how it works, BASED on your own description and links


As i said before, did you expect very scripted questions somehow? Don't you think people have other ideas on their minds?

It seems as if you were unable to get answers for those questions, because those are not within the reasonable questions you expected from "someone like me" like you called me before

And why are you asking me to repeat myself again, when i already did twice at least in the past couple pages?

sourcetruth
15th October 2019, 09:43
Again?

Are you a different person from before? How can you not understand my questions?

You talked about the 400 videos but never what happened next, so i asked if you have to pay to learn more


Then i asked why she blocked the patreon site, since it is linked to the youtube videos and channel you posted and when i went there i read that warning about expelling members who don't pay.
So:


And then


Then these


All of these are the result of inspecting the channel and from what i read from your OP, these are direct doubts about how it works, BASED on your own description and links


As i said before, did you expect very scripted questions somehow? Don't you think people have other ideas on their minds?

It seems as if you were unable to get answers for those questions, because those are not within the reasonable questions you expected from "someone like me" like you called me before

And why are you asking me to repeat myself again, when i already did twice at least in the past couple pages?

Wow, to even suggest that I am a different person from before is absurd. You must have seen that conspiracy theory about me from Project Avalon.

I expect questions about the concepts presented in the OP, which means the concepts about the matrix. That is what this thread should be about, discussing these concepts.

What do you mean that I was unable to "get" questions?

I did answer these "questions" but you do not want to acknowledge any of my answers because of your antagonism.



What do I expect from people who read my OP?
1. Read my OP
2. Discuss the concepts that I presented in my OP ( as opposed to the channel itself)



There is nothing on her patreon that is exclusive to her patreon followers, she only reuploads the youtube videos that she has made onto her patreon.

Her patreon is only for people that donate to her. It is not being "excluded" if you don't pay to access her patreon, it is just the rules that she has set for her patreon page.

Chris
15th October 2019, 09:57
I think sourcetruth's questions to Kai are legitimate. Kai claims he/she has never heard of Project Avalon, yet the links to sourcetruth's original thread there has been posted, if not in this thread, than in another, related one. Kai did not introduce themselves to the community, but started going straight after sourcetruth from the very beginning and has not participated in any other thread except this one.

As far as I can see, all they did so far was accuse him of various things and dig up dirt on him from other forums. Why would someone join a forum and immediately go after another new member, if they were not previously familiar with them? If you ask me, this stinks to high heaven and sourcetruth is correct to be concerned. I would very much like to hear from Kai regarding why he joined this forum, where he had found out about it, if not from Project Avalon and why the only thing he did since joining was attack sourcetruth on this one thread. I'm not accusing him of anything, but I think those are legitimate questions given the current acrimony between two new members. I seriously doubt this just came out of nowhere.

Aianawa
15th October 2019, 10:01
So many questions, sigh. When one will not receive answers, why. ooopps another Question lol

sourcetruth
15th October 2019, 10:14
I think sourcetruth's questions to Kai are legitimate. Kai claims he/she has never heard of Project Avalon, yet the links to sourcetruth's original thread there has been posted, if not in this thread, than in another, related one. Kai did not introduce themselves to the community, but started going straight after sourcetruth from the very beginning and has not participated in any other thread except this one.

As far as I can see, all they did so far was accuse him of various things and dig up dirt on him from other forums. Why would someone join a forum and immediately go after another new member, if they were not previously familiar with them? If you ask me, this stinks to high heaven and sourcetruth is correct to be concerned. I would very much like to hear from Kai regarding why he joined this forum, where he had found out about it, if not from Project Avalon and why the only thing he did since joining was attack sourcetruth on this one thread. I'm not accusing him of anything, but I think those are legitimate questions given the current acrimony between two new members. I seriously doubt this just came out of nowhere.

It is very likely that he could have been directed to here from Project Avalon, because TOT is known abouy over there, and they types of accusations that he has made against me match those made against me on that forum.

He immediately accused this of being a cult, and then he made aome subtle comments towards me that resembled some of these same accusations that were made against me on PA.

Aianawa
15th October 2019, 10:33
Mmmmm getting intense, sometimes when you know your rite, just to make sure, feel wrong, feel your truth incorrect, stay with it as long as possible, then one can know again whichever till the truth again changes or not.

PurpleLama
15th October 2019, 11:42
I think sourcetruth's questions to Kai are legitimate. Kai claims he/she has never heard of Project Avalon, yet the links to sourcetruth's original thread there has been posted, if not in this thread, than in another, related one. Kai did not introduce themselves to the community, but started going straight after sourcetruth from the very beginning and has not participated in any other thread except this one.

As far as I can see, all they did so far was accuse him of various things and dig up dirt on him from other forums. Why would someone join a forum and immediately go after another new member, if they were not previously familiar with them? If you ask me, this stinks to high heaven and sourcetruth is correct to be concerned. I would very much like to hear from Kai regarding why he joined this forum, where he had found out about it, if not from Project Avalon and why the only thing he did since joining was attack sourcetruth on this one thread. I'm not accusing him of anything, but I think those are legitimate questions given the current acrimony between two new members. I seriously doubt this just came out of nowhere.

To be fair, everything was discussed by sourcetruth on the BR thread when she joined. I personally think sc has developed the wrong kind of following, if you have read any of the other train wrecks of threads on any other forum where they have tried this.

My suggestion is lets pull up some of these videos and actually analyze them. I am sure sourcetruth will love that.

Fred Steeves
15th October 2019, 11:47
Why would someone join a forum and immediately go after another new member, if they were not previously familiar with them? If you ask me, this stinks to high heaven and sourcetruth is correct to be concerned.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1Y73sPHKxw

Aragorn
15th October 2019, 11:57
I think sourcetruth's questions to Kai are legitimate. Kai claims he/she has never heard of Project Avalon, yet the links to sourcetruth's original thread there has been posted, if not in this thread, than in another, related one. Kai did not introduce themselves to the community, but started going straight after sourcetruth from the very beginning and has not participated in any other thread except this one.

As far as I can see, all they did so far was accuse him of various things and dig up dirt on him from other forums. Why would someone join a forum and immediately go after another new member, if they were not previously familiar with them? If you ask me, this stinks to high heaven and sourcetruth is correct to be concerned. I would very much like to hear from Kai regarding why he joined this forum, where he had found out about it, if not from Project Avalon and why the only thing he did since joining was attack sourcetruth on this one thread. I'm not accusing him of anything, but I think those are legitimate questions given the current acrimony between two new members. I seriously doubt this just came out of nowhere.

Okay, there has been a mild bit of deception here, and I have not said anything in order to protect Kai's anonymity. Kai has introduced themselves to me personally earlier in a private message, and they are indeed a Project Avalon member, but I'm not going to say who they are known as over there.

Kai has also already had prior experience with sourcetruth at yet other venues, and so far, Kai has been absolutely correct in their assessment of sourcetruth's beliefs and degree of brainwashing.








For example, you said there is no group but clearly there is, you are an internet group, you gather around a person posting videos on Youtube that also has a patreon site where you can go pay for further information about her teachings, all behind a private pay to play garden

If that's isn't a clear sign for you that you have been recruited into a cult then you have more serious issues to deal with. I believe the questions i posed to you that you skipped are critical to define what's going on here

Where are the other group members? Where are we gathering around her?

On YouTube and Patreon. Stop deflecting and ignoring. Kai told you exactly how it works.

Being on youtube and patreon does not make it a cult. I am not the one "deflecting and ignoring".

You most certainly are, but the sad part of it is that you're not even conscious about it. You're jerking your knees with phony defenses and you don't even realize that you're doing it.


If you think that you have spiritual knowledge, then why don't you comment on some of the statements that I presented in my OP and explain how it relates with your own spiritual knowledge?

If I think I have spiritual knowledge? Well, I do not think that, I know that. I have already elaborated on everything I know all over the forum ─ and to a certain extent even at Project Avalon ─ and my comments on your material are that it's bovine excrement, and so wrong that I wouldn't even know where to begin in telling you why it is wrong.


I am well aware that opinions expressed by others are not always factual, I don't always agree with other's opinions. For example, people could express the idea that everyone has a soul, and I would reject that idea because I don't think that it is reasonable to conclude that everyone has a soul.

Yeah well, if you want a nice practical example of where you're wrong, then this one's it. You may not think that it is "reasonable" for everyone to have a soul, but unfortunately for you, the universe doesn't care what you think. Everyone has a soul, even though not all souls are the same, and there are different types of souls ─ mine, for instance.

Everything else about "source players" is also hogwash, and here's why... First and foremost, you have to understand how Creation works, and how and why it came to be.

Source is an infinite information field because it is a quantum singularity, but information is meaningless without that there is an observer. So part of Source was aware of itself, but awareness is meaningless without understanding. So the aware part of source began thinking, and this thus was the birth of consciousness. And what consciousness wants ─ the only thing it wants ─ is to understand. This is the first of all dichotomies/dualities, i.e. the distinction between order (understanding) and chaos (not understanding).

So consciousness began pondering the idea of whether it was alone and unique, or whether there were others just like it. This was then the creation of the second dichotomy, the concept of Self and Other. And so consciousness had become the Prime Creator, and it began creating all things, all in the Yin/Yang dichotomy style, simply by asking itself the question "What if?" In quantum physics, this is known as the collapse of the wave-function.

Everything that has been created has consciousness, because consciousness is a field, and everything that exists, all exists within that field, just like the electromagnetic fields powering your devices and letting them be what they were meant to be ─ a refrigerator that doesn't receive any electricity isn't a refrigerator, and a television set that doesn't receive any electricity isn't a television set. However, when it comes to living things, there has to be more than just this rudimentary form of consciousness, and so plants, animals, humans (and non-human intelligent life elsewhere in the universe) all have souls.

A soul is in and of itself not a living entity, but it is the blueprint that makes the individual unique. The soul is the identity of the individual. Part of the soul was programmed with certain Yin/Yang polarities upon its creation, and part of the soul is also defined by the experiences the soul has had along the path of its existence, and adherence to the decisions it has made ─ which could of course have been made based upon its experiences and based upon its pre-programming with polarities.

Incarnation and reincarnation are not written in stone. They are conscious decisions. Some souls take less of their original self with them upon their next incarnation, and others take more with them. Some souls never incarnate, and others (such as myself) only incarnate once.

I am of a group of souls that normally never incarnates, but the situation here on Earth demanded our subtle and subliminal intervention, and so we were asked/ordered to incarnate as humans and live here for a single lifetime, as way-showers and teachers. I have a much deeper connection with the spiritual reality ─ albeit not necessarily with the spirit world, which is a different thing, even though I do have some level of connection with that as well ─ than anyone else, and my consciousness is different too. The "all is one" meme that's so popular within this "alternative community", well, I live that, every day, and I wouldn't know how not to, because this is part of my very being.

So there you have it, and I don't really want to talk about myself or my experiences anymore, exactly because people will always make of it whatever they want, or reject it, or whatever. I just live my life while doing my very best to be a good human being, and be kind to my fellow human beings. And that's all I can do. I have no aspirations to become a religious or spiritual leader, let alone a cult leader (or cult member).

But so anyway, your Quartz Crystal channel and everything she talks about is bunk. But I know you won't accept that from me, because you don't even have it in you to respect your fellow human beings ─ regardless of their age and life experience ─ and I know that I'm only a name on a screen to you.

If you are as convinced about "your truth" as you are, and so loyal to that YouTube channel, at your young age, then there's only one possible explanation, and that is that you've been brainwashed and programmed. And I don't know how that woman of that channel does it but ─ no insult intended ─ I do know that mentally unstable people are usually the easiest to win over. And believe me, I've seen others like that here at the forum in my now four years of being the administrator here. People just as arrogant and self-righteous, just as disdainful of those who did not share their beliefs. And many of them have already run their faces into concrete walls, I can tell you that much.





A Question Kai, on cults, as I like and truth feel your words n thought, Q anon ?, you seen this ?, will put up Q thread for your look into if you will, in hoax section due to ummmm, beliefs.

Double shame on you, Vern. Double shame on you.

First of all because you're pooping this thread with your addiction to US-political nonsense, and secondly because that thread is not in the hoax section due to "beliefs". It is still being posted to because of "beliefs" ─ your beliefs.

Your Preciousss resides in the hoax section because of a little inconvenient something called factual evidence, which is something you are still ignoring and rejecting, just like you've recently begun promoting the Flat Earth hypothesis here as "historical research".



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Chris
15th October 2019, 12:23
A mild bit of deception?

Let me quote Kai verbatim:


People like me?

I don't know what Project Avalon is, but i'll look it up, you seem to have an arrogant way of thinking anyone that points out the flaws in your religion is lesser than you. And that's exactly another sign you belong to a cult

So basically this person, whoever he is, lied to all of us and deliberately misrepresented himself and his intentions, yet we are supposed to believe and trust him and his opinions?

As far as I'm concerned, he has no credibility whatsoever and I remain highly suspicious of his true intentions. May I say, that the adults in this situation have behaved abominably both here and on PA, whereas the only child here actually proved to be more mature than any of the adults and stood up for himself admirably. The way a child that is still learning about the world is being bullied on two forums is truly disgusting and all the adults involved in it should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves. And yes, until he is 18, he is legally a minor, therefore a child, even if I'm sure he'll be annoyed by this characterisation.

Aragorn
15th October 2019, 12:50
A mild bit of deception?

Yes, a mild bit of deception. Kai said that to protect their anonymity, and given their prior experience with sourcetruth and his cult, this is perfectly understandable. I know who Kai is, because they contacted me before they began interacting with sourcetruth on this thread, and I know their motivation and their intent, but I have not said anything about that in public. My colleagues in the mod room also know.

You are also forgetting that sourcetruth, whom you are now protecting, has lied to both Project Avalon and The One Truth on account of his age. If you can forgive him that, then you should also forgive Kai for pretending not to have been a member at Project Avalon. If you cannot do this, then you are maintaining double standards.

PurpleLama
15th October 2019, 13:09
I pretty much guessed who Kai was from their first post. She is the one person who's interaction with sc preceded her very recent membership at PA. Having followed her writing on 3 boards, I can attest that she may be an asset to any forum, crafting well thought out and well written posts.

It is funny to me that sc didn't pick up on that immediately. Are you tracking his IPs, Strider?

Dreamtimer
15th October 2019, 13:09
And what consciousness wants ─ the only thing it wants ─ is to understand.

That's all I want. That and to be understood. Simple, not easy.



I have not visited the QC channel, and most likely won't. There was another member posting about the matrix, and that person presented a similar attitude. Instead of Quartz Crystal it was Wes Penre. Same game, big picture.


There was a guy who's posts I read on several forums. He spent years telling folks earth was about to birth a moon, which would bring catastrophic changes. His source was the Hopi people. In the end he announced that the messiah had returned and energies should now be focused on rebuilding the temple in Jerusalem. And his name was Solomon. But for years he had been all about being an adopted Hopi. He had many folks question him strongly and he was very good at being a victim. It's a familiar song and dance.

I never became a follower of him or anyone else. I was raised with good values, I think for myself and I take responsibility for what I do and say. I've held my family together and put a great child into the world. That's enough for me.

Besides, I have all kinds of crystals and rocks in my house, not to mention living on top of a vast stretch of granite bedrock. I'm good.

Chris
15th October 2019, 13:18
Yes, a mild bit of deception. Kai said that to protect their anonymity, and given their prior experience with sourcetruth and his cult, this is perfectly understandable. I know who Kai is, because they contacted me before they began interacting with sourcetruth on this thread, and I know their motivation and their intent, but I have not said anything about that in public. My colleagues in the mod room also know.

You are also forgetting that sourcetruth, whom you are now protecting, has lied to both Project Avalon and The One Truth on account of their age. If you can forgive him that, then you should also forgive Kai for pretending not to have been a member at Project Avalon. If you cannot do this, then you are maintaining double standards.

Sourcetruth gave a perfectly reasonable explanation in regards to why he lied about his age. It is the online equivalent of a teenager lying about his age to get into a club. I certainly don't hold that against him.

I have not read through all of his posts, but I have seen enough to provisionally accept that he is just an overzealous teenager that has taken some teachings from a youtube talking head a bit too much to heart.

I am seriously disturbed by the bullying campaign waged against him by Project Avalon members, and the paranoid accusations against him are true to form, I am well familiar with them from my brief stint there. What I see is a group of adults suffering from paranoid delusions trying to wage a hate campaign against a minor. The people waging this hate campaign are actually guilty of the very thing they accuse him of. They have conspired in the shadows, to smear him and have used deceptive means to achieve this. Not only that, but the members of this forum have also been deceived and the staff here initially turned a blind eye to it. So, who is the guilty party here, the child, or the adults that ganged up on him in secret?

Also, I can only conclude from the available evidence, that this is Bill Ryan's personal crusade and Kai is acting as his attack dog. If evidence is presented to me that this isn't so, I will re-evaluate my conclusion, but for the time being, this has to be my working theory.

The Crystal Quartz material may or may not be a hoax/cult, whatever you want to call it. I have no interest in it, but are we now ok with attacking people because we disagree with their views?

Aragorn
15th October 2019, 13:22
Are you tracking his IPs, Strider?

Indeed I am, Purple One. ;) : Sherlock:

Aragorn
15th October 2019, 13:34
Sourcetruth gave a perfectly reasonable explanation in regards to why he lied about his age. It is the online equivalent of a teenager lying about his age to get into a club. I certainly don't hold that against him.

I have not read through all of his posts, but I have seen enough to provisionally accept that he is just an overzealous teenager that has taken some teachings from a youtube talking head a bit too much to heart.

I am seriously disturbed by the bullying campaign waged against him by Project Avalon members, and the paranoid accusations against him are true to form, I am well familiar with them from my brief stint there.

I have explained earlier that such things are normal on a forum with as many members as Project Avalon, and the anonymous aspect of communicating via text only with someone who is also nothing more than a name and possibly an avatar on a screen isn't exactly helping in that regard.

I do not agree with it, but it is a fact of life in our 21st-century society that this sort of thing can and will happen. I've been on Facebook for a couple of years, and I know all about how this mobbing works.


What I see is a group of adults suffering from paranoid delusions trying to wage a hate campaign against a minor. The people waging this hate campaign are actually guilty of the very thing they accuse him of. They have conspired in the shadows, to smear him and have used deceptive means to achieve this.

See above.


Not only that, but the members of this forum have also been deceived and the staff here initially turned a blind eye to it.

Oh please, Chris. Just because Kai said on this thread ─ or was it on the "What motivates Bill Ryan?" thread ─ that she doesn't know what Project Avalon is, the members of this forum have been deceived?

Sorry, I don't consider that a deception of the kind you're trying to blow this thing up to. I consider that self-protection. And that is why the staff has been "complicit" in this "deception".


So, who is the guilty party here, the child, or the adults that ganged up on him in secret?

Two wrongs don't make one right.


Also, I can only conclude from the available evidence, that this is Bill Ryan's personal crusade and Kai is acting as his attack dog. If evidence is presented to me that this isn't so, I will re-evaluate my conclusion, but for the time being, this has to be my working theory.

Now who's being paranoid? :fpalm:

Bill Ryan has nothing to do with this ─ as far as he's concerned, the issue has been off the table since sourcetruth was banned from Project Avalon ─ and Kai has her own reasons for trying to expose this cult.


The Crystal Quartz material may or may not be a hoax/cult, whatever you want to call it. I have no interest in it, but are we now ok with attacking people because we disagree with their views?

Is it an attack to respond with unwillingness toward an intransigent individual who's evangelizing a cult?

Fred Steeves
15th October 2019, 14:03
This is getting good, and admittedly I can be a succor for Jerry Springer type of ridiculous high drama. We need a pass the popcorn icon for such occasions.

I'll spring for the beer. :beer:

Chris
15th October 2019, 14:15
I have explained earlier that such things are normal on a forum with as many members as Project Avalon, and the anonymous aspect of communicating via text only with someone who is also nothing more than a name and possibly an avatar on a screen isn't exactly helping in that regard.

I do not agree with it, but it is a fact of life in our 21st-century society that this sort of thing can and will happen. I've been on Facebook for a couple of years, and I know all about how this mobbing works.



See above.



Oh please, Chris. Just because Kai said on this thread ─ or was it on the "What motivates Bill Ryan?" thread ─ that she doesn't know what Project Avalon is, the members of this forum have been deceived?

Sorry, I don't consider that a deception of the kind you're trying to blow this thing up to. I consider that self-protection. And that is why the staff has been "complicit" in this "deception".



Two wrongs don't make one right.



Now who's being paranoid? :fpalm:

Bill Ryan has nothing to do with this ─ as far as he's concerned, the issue has been off the table since sourcetruth was banned from Project Avalon ─ and Kai has her own reasons for trying to expose this cult.



Is it an attack to respond with unwillingness toward an intransigent individual who's evangelizing a cult?

Well, if sourcetruth turns out to be some sort of collective account created to promote a cult, then I will eat my words. I have not seen any evidence for that, except that the people making that accusation turned out to be less than truthful and behaved in a cultish manner themselves.

This whole episode confirms to me that Project Avalon remains a cult, with a cult leader, that goes after people it doesn't like. I wish it weren't so, but that is what the facts point towards.

PurpleLama
15th October 2019, 14:29
This is getting good, and admittedly I can be a succor for Jerry Springer type of ridiculous high drama. We need a pass the popcorn icon for such occasions.

I'll spring for the beer. :beer:

The only thing that could make this better would be to have 9eagle9 on hand! Hahaha

PurpleLama
15th October 2019, 14:39
This whole episode confirms to me that Project Avalon remains a cult, with a cult leader, that goes after people it doesn't like. I wish it weren't so, but that is what the facts point towards.

What you say can only point to a very small percentage of the participants in an otherwise highly varied forum population. There are those who believe BR and the mods can do no wrong, and similarly there are those who view everything the staff does with a jaundiced eye, but the vast majority can be observed to think for themselves. It is not fair to color that forum with your experience, had you had an approach similar to your approach here at TOT, you likely would still be there. However, I was there for the whole Ishtar (if i recall correctly) channeling debacle, and you now acknowledge how dangerous that sort of thing can be, it was that for which you were banned and not for anything approaching normal conversation and sharing of information.

As an aside, I do highly recommend following up on the OP and watching some of the videos, before deciding to put too much energy into defending sourcetruth/Quartz Crystal.

Also I would like to point out that besides myself, being one of the oldest members left of this forum, the only other person who came from PA to engage with sc has only been a member of PA for a matter of weeks, since 25 Sept. I think that hardly qualifies her as a member of this PA cult.

Chris
15th October 2019, 14:52
What you say can only point to a very small percentage of the participants in an otherwise highly varied forum population. There are those who believe BR and the mods can do no wrong, and similarly there are those who view everything the staff does with a jaundiced eye, but the vast majority can be observed to think for themselves. It is not fair to color that forum with your experience, had you had an approach similar to your approach here at TOT, you likely would still be there. However, I was there for the whole Ishtar (if i recall correctly) channeling debacle, and you now acknowledge how dangerous that sort of thing can be, it was that for which you were banned and not for anything approaching normal conversation and sharing of information.

As an aside, I do highly recommend following up on the OP and watching some of the videos, before deciding to put too much energy into defending sourcetruth/Quartz Crystal.

It may be a small percentage, but it is the core of that forum.

Once Bill Ryan decides someone is persona non grata, they go after that person, not just there, but on other forums as well. They also do some background digging and try to smear that person with half-truths. In my case, I made the mistake of registering with my real email address and my real name. Though my full name wasn't published on the forum, it was suggested how people can find my posts on Quora. As soon as I joined TOT, a joint member, who was subsequently banned, started attacking me here as well, in a similar fashion to Kai's current actions, though of course he joined for the explicit reason of "exposing" a new member. I am well familiar with the underhanded tactics, deceptions and half-truths employed by the PA cult leaders. I'm not the only one either, plenty of others have experienced it. I genuinely thought things have changed over there, but as this episode proved beyond a doubt, I was sadly mistaken.

Dreamtimer
15th October 2019, 15:03
Doxxing is bad news no matter how virtuous folks believe they are or how strong they believe their position is.

PurpleLama
15th October 2019, 15:05
It may be a small percentage, but it is the core of that forum.

I believe you are overstating the case, and I have a much longer and varied experience with both of these boards. I have not always been on the right side of the staff, here or there.


Once Bill Ryan decides someone is persona non grata, they go after that person, not just there, but on other forums as well. They also do some background digging and try to smear that person with half-truths. In my case, I made the mistake of registering with my real email address and my real name. Though my full name wasn't published on the forum, it was suggested how people can find my posts on Quora. As soon as I joined TOT, a joint member, who was subsequently banned, started attacking me here as well, in a similar fashion to Kai's current actions, though of course he joined for the explicit reason of "exposing" a new member. I am well familiar with the underhanded tactics, deceptions and half-truths employed by the PA cult leaders. I'm not the only one either, plenty of others have experienced it. I genuinely thought things have changed over there, but as this episode proved beyond a doubt, I was sadly mistaken.

Well, suffice it to say, after the whole Ishtar debacle, such warning was seen to be necessary. I also was standing by to see if I needed to warn the staff, at the time. But, it worked out, and here you are. Had you been as doggedly determined to promote the channeling thing as sc is to promote QC, then it likely would not have turned out so well, and you would be bad mouthing TOT as part of the PA cult. All that said, I am glad that you gave up on the channeling thing and have turned out to be a productive member of TOT.

Emil El Zapato
15th October 2019, 15:14
I checked and this group didn't seem to exist before 2016.

One question. Before you found yourself into this group, what religion did you follow, if any? And if none, why?

There’s the crux of it Kai. You will find people polarizing around this topic without an awareness as to why. For the right price I will tell you what it is, unless you tell me first

Chris
15th October 2019, 15:20
I believe you are overstating the case, and I have a much longer and varied experience with both of these boards. I have not always been on the right side of the staff, here or there.


Well, suffice it to say, after the whole Ishtar debacle, such warning was seen to be necessary. I also was standing by to see if I needed to warn the staff, at the time. But, it worked out, and here you are. Had you been as doggedly determined to promote the channeling thing as sc is to promote QC, then it likely would not have turned out so well, and you would be bad mouthing TOT as part of the PA cult. All that said, I am glad that you gave up on the channeling thing and have turned out to be a productive member of TOT.

Aragorn asked me not to post any channelling material on this forum or to offer healing to anyone, so I didn't. That's all it takes. This is how civilised people do it. PA could learn a lot from how this forum is run.

Emil El Zapato
15th October 2019, 16:45
To be fair, everything was discussed by sourcetruth on the BR thread when she joined. I personally think sc has developed the wrong kind of following, if you have read any of the other train wrecks of threads on any other forum where they have tried this.

My suggestion is lets pull up some of these videos and actually analyze them. I am sure sourcetruth will love that.
Hi pl. now I’m buying into the conspiracy. Why are u and Kai referring to as she?

Dreamtimer
15th October 2019, 17:01
Here is one testimonial (http://www.oom2.com/t43156-scammer-alert-judy-aka-quartz-crystal-the-source-player-is-playing-you-for-donations) from one person. Take it as you will.


I stumbled onto Quartz Crystal over a year ago. I had spent about 10 years fine tuning myself through introspection, meditation and prayer... prior to finding Judy on You Tube. I was already a vegetarian and practiced some of the things that was being suggested. At the point I found Quartz Crystal, I was at the most joyful, peaceful point of my life. I was just happy... All the time. No stress or worries.
As I watched more of her videos, I was intrigued. I subscribed to her private posts. At first it felt good, positive and I was buying into her story.
But at some point the feeling changed. It started to take on a darker feeling that started to suck the joy out of me. I was no longer singing at first light to greet the day.
I want those of you reading this to know, this is my personal account and I am being Very Candid. You may have had a different experience and that's also fine.


So Judy suggested getting and programming a pendulum... I did.
This was supposed to be a fool proof way of knowing the things she told us was truthful.
I started asking very specific questions from my programmed pendulum and with consistency found that parts of what I was being told, came up as false information. I even questioned outright if Judy was being completely honest and my pendulum gave me a definate NO... every time!
One of the things that bothered me was her gradual systematic teachings; to cause separation from family and friends (if they were not also source players) plus religion and other norms including Marital sexual intimacy.
All were considered "not beneficial" and of course no meat consumption.

There's a few red flags for me. People are being asked to get rid of the things in life which people need to be healthy and balanced. Meat may or may not be necessary, but the human contact certainly is.


I noticed members on Judy's Patreon page, who started to respond to her posts as if she was some high priestess or Goddess to worship.
As time went on... I started to develope anxiety, insomnia and had my first ever panic attack.
After a mix up in the "pledge" process... During one month... still not sure how it happened, but my bank account got drained. Judy said I had chosen a donation level and it deducted for every video I watched that month.
I assured her that I would never donate more money than I make in a month and she did reimburse me except for about $30.


It put me in a bad situation for about 10 days. I closed my account with Quartz Crystal on Patreon after that happened.
I also want to mention that there was a fear element involved in her teachings and an absolute requirement for loyalty. Once you leave... that's it for You! Period!
Your fate is sealed.


Since I left, I still get little anxiety attacks, but I'm able to control the feeling. I've delved much deeper into my spiritual connection to Father God. I am not into organized religion.... I started singing again when I wake up and my joy has returned. I embrace family and friends. Plus despite what she said... I believe my Dog will be with me in Heaven one day.

PurpleLama
15th October 2019, 17:25
Hi pl. now I’m buying into the conspiracy. Why are u and Kai referring to as she?

Ah, NAP, I simply remain unconvinced that the apparent acolyte isn't the lady QC, herself. It would make sense, if the donations got a little slow, to pose as a true believer and try to gin up some business by tapping into forums that cover new age or spiritual topics. So, young and gullible, or a bad actor, anyone can judge for themselves. One thing that leads me to believe that sc might be Judy/Barbara is that sc denied seeing any change in the demeanor of the person in the videos over time. But, watch a few minutes of some earlier videos, and a few minutes of some of the later videos, and any observer would see the difference.

Also, that testimonial was a good find, DT.

Emil El Zapato
15th October 2019, 17:54
The only thing that could make this better would be to have 9eagle9 on hand! Hahaha
Amen to that. She’s one of my favorites

Emil El Zapato
15th October 2019, 18:05
I believe you are overstating the case, and I have a much longer and varied experience with both of these boards. I have not always been on the right side of the staff, here or there.


Well, suffice it to say, after the whole Ishtar debacle, such warning was seen to be necessary. I also was standing by to see if I needed to warn the staff, at the time. But, it worked out, and here you are. Had you been as doggedly determined to promote the channeling thing as sc is to promote QC, then it likely would not have turned out so well, and you would be bad mouthing TOT as part of the PA cult. All that said, I am glad that you gave up on the channeling thing and have turned out to be a productive member of TOT.

This is where I part company. It is no members responsibility to ‘warn’ staff. The staff is there to form it’s own opinions about members without ‘fair’ and ‘balanced’ input. That is a mild form of Be a good citizen and report your neighbors now’

Fred Steeves
15th October 2019, 21:40
This is getting good, and admittedly I can be a succor for Jerry Springer type of ridiculous high drama. We need a pass the popcorn icon for such occasions.

I'll spring for the beer. :beer:



The only thing that could make this better would be to have 9eagle9 on hand! Hahaha

Ah yes, those were the days!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkgUDE66L18

sourcetruth
16th October 2019, 04:55
It may be a small percentage, but it is the core of that forum.

Once Bill Ryan decides someone is persona non grata, they go after that person, not just there, but on other forums as well. They also do some background digging and try to smear that person with half-truths. In my case, I made the mistake of registering with my real email address and my real name. Though my full name wasn't published on the forum, it was suggested how people can find my posts on Quora. As soon as I joined TOT, a joint member, who was subsequently banned, started attacking me here as well, in a similar fashion to Kai's current actions, though of course he joined for the explicit reason of "exposing" a new member. I am well familiar with the underhanded tactics, deceptions and half-truths employed by the PA cult leaders. I'm not the only one either, plenty of others have experienced it. I genuinely thought things have changed over there, but as this episode proved beyond a doubt, I was sadly mistaken.

Chris, you have made many excellent points in your posts.

Aragorn has done a poor job of trying to excuse Kai and our suspicions against them. It is very clear to us what is happening and what has happened with PA.

What will Kai respond with, now that it is clear what they came here to do?

Your quote from earlier is very clear to us now,


This whole episode confirms to me that Project Avalon remains a cult, with a cult leader, that goes after people it doesn't like. I wish it weren't so, but that is what the facts point towards.


People were already claiming this years ago on TOT, and although according to Aragorn they were "retracted", it is clear to us that they have not changed.



If I think I have spiritual knowledge? Well, I do not think that, I know that. I have already elaborated on everything I know all over the forum ─ and to a certain extent even at Project Avalon ─ and my comments on your material are that it's bovine excrement, and so wrong that I wouldn't even know where to begin in telling you why it is wrong.


What is spiritual knowledge to you, is it conclusions that you have reached through logical reasoning or other means, or is it about information that comes from other sources that you agree with?

When you are criticizing this material, is this coming from the standpoint of your previous spiritual knowledge?



Yeah well, if you want a nice practical example of where you're wrong, then this one's it. You may not think that it is "reasonable" for everyone to have a soul, but unfortunately for you, the universe doesn't care what you think. Everyone has a soul, even though not all souls are the same, and there are different types of souls ─ mine, for instance.


What I meant when I said that it was not reasonable that everyone has a soul was that I do not see it as a logical conclusion to make.

The assumption that everyone else has a soul comes from observing ourselves as having souls, and projecting that this would also apply to everyone else. What it looks like to us is that we are there in the body, having the experience of a body. When we think of other people as being conscious or having souls we think of there being another experiencer in that body the same way that we are. It is also based in the assumption that I am just like all of the other human beings, and not seperate from them.

However, when we examine why we think that everyone else must have a soul, the idea does not stand up to logical scrutiny. When we dive deeper into the nature of consciousness and ask a lot of questions about our existence in this reality, we may find certain things that don't make sense in our attempts at an explanation. When we question the idea that everyone has a soul, we can realize how we have tried to make our explanations of this reality around this assumption, and how if we discarded it, our explanations would be more logical.

When I realize that I am not this human body, I realize that this body exists independant of me. From this understanding, I understand that a body could exist independently of a soul.

Quartz Crystal is not the only person that I have found the idea of soulless ones, there are other sources that have proposed the same concept. Before I saw Quartz Crystals channel, I was familiar of the concept from these other sources.

The concept of soulless people has also been referred to as "organic portals".

http://montalk.net/matrix/157/spiritless-humans

https://veilofreality.com/2011/04/18/organic-portals-soulless-humans/

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_organicportals06.htm


Everything else about "source players" is also hogwash, and here's why... First and foremost, you have to understand how Creation works, and how and why it came to be.

Source is an infinite information field because it is a quantum singularity, but information is meaningless without that there is an observer. So part of Source was aware of itself, but awareness is meaningless without understanding. So the aware part of source began thinking, and this thus was the birth of consciousness. And what consciousness wants ─ the only thing it wants ─ is to understand. This is the first of all dichotomies/dualities, i.e. the distinction between order (understanding) and chaos (not understanding).

So consciousness began pondering the idea of whether it was alone and unique, or whether there were others just like it. This was then the creation of the second dichotomy, the concept of Self and Other. And so consciousness had become the Prime Creator, and it began creating all things, all in the Yin/Yang dichotomy style, simply by asking itself the question "What if?" In quantum physics, this is known as the collapse of the wave-function.

Everything that has been created has consciousness, because consciousness is a field, and everything that exists, all exists within that field, just like the electromagnetic fields powering your devices and letting them be what they were meant to be ─ a refrigerator that doesn't receive any electricity isn't a refrigerator, and a television set that doesn't receive any electricity isn't a television set. However, when it comes to living things, there has to be more than just this rudimentary form of consciousness, and so plants, animals, humans (and non-human intelligent life elsewhere in the universe) all have souls.

A soul is in and of itself not a living entity, but it is the blueprint that makes the individual unique. The soul is the identity of the individual. Part of the soul was programmed with certain Yin/Yang polarities upon its creation, and part of the soul is also defined by the experiences the soul has had along the path of its existence, and adherence to the decisions it has made ─ which could of course have been made based upon its experiences and based upon its pre-programming with polarities.

Incarnation and reincarnation are not written in stone. They are conscious decisions. Some souls take less of their original self with them upon their next incarnation, and others take more with them. Some souls never incarnate, and others (such as myself) only incarnate once.

I am of a group of souls that normally never incarnates, but the situation here on Earth demanded our subtle and subliminal intervention, and so we were asked/ordered to incarnate as humans and live here for a single lifetime, as way-showers and teachers. I have a much deeper connection with the spiritual reality ─ albeit not necessarily with the spirit world, which is a different thing, even though I do have some level of connection with that as well ─ than anyone else, and my consciousness is different too. The "all is one" meme that's so popular within this "alternative community", well, I live that, every day, and I wouldn't know how not to, because this is part of my very being.


I will ask you this, what is a soul to you?

The way that I define a soul is that it is something that houses a fractalization of source consciousness inside of it.

However, I consider a soul to only have an existence within the matrix. There are no souls outside of the matrix, there are only fractals of source consciousness, and the source fractal is housed within a soul. This is where the concept of a soul cage comes from, the source fractal is trapped inside of the soul cage in order to experience this reality.

The reality that exist is centered around the consciousness of these source fractals, which are creating the matrix.



So there you have it, and I don't really want to talk about myself or my experiences anymore, exactly because people will always make of it whatever they want, or reject it, or whatever. I just live my life while doing my very best to be a good human being, and be kind to my fellow human beings. And that's all I can do. I have no aspirations to become a religious or spiritual leader, let alone a cult leader (or cult member).

But so anyway, your Quartz Crystal channel and everything she talks about is bunk. But I know you won't accept that from me, because you don't even have it in you to respect your fellow human beings ─ regardless of their age and life experience ─ and I know that I'm only a name on a screen to you.

If you are as convinced about "your truth" as you are, and so loyal to that YouTube channel, at your young age, then there's only one possible explanation, and that is that you've been brainwashed and programmed. And I don't know how that woman of that channel does it but ─ no insult intended ─ I do know that mentally unstable people are usually the easiest to win over. And believe me, I've seen others like that here at the forum in my now four years of being the administrator here. People just as arrogant and self-righteous, just as disdainful of those who did not share their beliefs. And many of them have already run their faces into concrete walls, I can tell you that much.

You should at least be willing to hear what I have to say about this topic, because I have a lot more to say.


This is where I part company. It is no members responsibility to ‘warn’ staff. The staff is there to form it’s own opinions about members without ‘fair’ and ‘balanced’ input. That is a mild form of Be a good citizen and report your neighbors now’

He has also done something similar in my thread on PA where he tries to get the staff involved.


Posted by PurpleLama
I do hope the staff decides what to do about this sooner rather than later

sourcetruth
16th October 2019, 05:05
My suggestion is lets pull up some of these videos and actually analyze them. I am sure sourcetruth will love that.

On what principles will you base your "analysis" on?

Malisa
16th October 2019, 05:11
Well it took you a while to figure out how to reply,


However it doesn't change the fact that you are exposed for that you really are doing here

But at least i can say that you had the decency, possibly out of desperation, to ask for forgiveness to someone you insulted with your arrogant attitude

https://jandeane81.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2380&d=1571202142

sourcetruth
16th October 2019, 05:13
Oh please, Chris. Just because Kai said on this thread ─ or was it on the "What motivates Bill Ryan?" thread ─ that she doesn't know what Project Avalon is, the members of this forum have been deceived?

Sorry, I don't consider that a deception of the kind you're trying to blow this thing up to. I consider that self-protection. And that is why the staff has been "complicit" in this "deception".

Self protection from what? From the critical opinions of others?

Malisa
16th October 2019, 05:16
As someone else pointed out, you are proselytizing, using forums as a platform to attempt recruiting

You'll probably say that's not true, but here's a small sample of how many times you posted the same OP from this thread in subreddits


https://jandeane81.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2384&d=1571202833

sourcetruth
16th October 2019, 05:17
Well it took you a while to figure out how to reply,


However it doesn't change the fact that you are exposed for that you really are doing here

But at least i can say that you had the decency, possibly out of desperation, to ask for forgiveness to someone you insulted with your arrogant attitude

https://jandeane81.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2380&d=1571202142

That was some person on reddit that had tried to engage me in a battle of words and insults, and had kept insulting me. When someone wants to insult me like they want to, it is only fair that they be subject to insults.

You are exposed for what you are trying to do here as well, which is to attack me instead of my statements

Malisa
16th October 2019, 05:18
Self protection from what? From the critical opinions of others?

From an unbalanced person who may turn into extremism in any moment, someone who considers other people's lives as not valuable or that has no empathy with animals has all the signs of a psychopath

https://www.quora.com/Do-psychopaths-sociopaths-like-animals-more-than-people

sourcetruth
16th October 2019, 05:26
As someone else pointed out, you are proselytizing, using forums as a platform to attempt recruiting

You'll probably say that's not true, but here's a small sample of how many times you posted the same OP from this thread in subreddits


https://jandeane81.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2384&d=1571202833

I did post it on reddit as well, on some subreddits.

This still does not prove that my intent was to "recruit". What if I am just an overzealous teenager?


From an unbalanced person who may turn into extremism in any moment, someone who considers other people's lives as not valuable or that has no empathy with animals has all the signs of a psychopath

https://www.quora.com/Do-psychopaths-sociopaths-like-animals-more-than-people

You are just straw-manning me at this point.
You aren't interested in discussing the concepts presented in this topic, you are only interested in framing them as "bad", in a way that appeals to emotion and not logic.

Malisa
16th October 2019, 05:35
You sure get busy sharing the word

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?108597-A-Youtube-channel-named-Quartz-Crystal.-Says-many-interesting-things-about-how-Source-Players-create-the-matrix.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1245804/pg1
http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=131173
https://www.actualized.org/forum/topic/39580-matrix-powered-by-souls-energy-quartz-crystal-youtube-channel/
https://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message4134490/pg1?c1=1&c2=1&disclaimer=Continue

I loved this one, oh the challenge!


Are any of you source players? I wonder if there are any source players out there...




You are just strawmanning me at this point.


Of course not, you think that because a couple days went by and you remained silent and other people posted in between, you can just ignore the questions and move on as if nothing happened?

You do that so much that it has become sad to watch.

Just because you look away doesn't mean reality stops existing


I think sourcetruth's questions to Kai are legitimate. Kai claims he/she has never heard of Project Avalon, yet the links to sourcetruth's original thread there has been posted, if not in this thread, than in another, related one. Kai did not introduce themselves to the community, but started going straight after sourcetruth from the very beginning and has not participated in any other thread except this one.

As far as I can see, all they did so far was accuse him of various things and dig up dirt on him from other forums. Why would someone join a forum and immediately go after another new member, if they were not previously familiar with them? If you ask me, this stinks to high heaven and sourcetruth is correct to be concerned. I would very much like to hear from Kai regarding why he joined this forum, where he had found out about it, if not from Project Avalon and why the only thing he did since joining was attack sourcetruth on this one thread. I'm not accusing him of anything, but I think those are legitimate questions given the current acrimony between two new members. I seriously doubt this just came out of nowhere.

No, i had to hide something about me to protect myself, and i asked for help with that. I was a small sacrifice of integrity but it also had a purpose, to allow the true nature of the cult to be exposed.

Otherwise i would not have been able to question it as i was

I'm going to wait for all the answers i requested, but we will see none

This has nothing to do with BR, he doesn't even know about this. And even if he knew, he is not my owner like that lady is with sourcetruth, i fly alone Chris. I don't need anyone to tell me how to think or how to feel, or what to do


I did post it on reddit as well, on some subreddits.

This still does not prove that my intent was to "recruit". What if I am just an overzealous teenager?



You are just straw-manning me at this point.
You aren't interested in discussing the concepts presented in this topic, you are only interested in framing them as "bad", in a way that appeals to emotion and not logic.

Proselytizing is your work

You learned a new word, "straw-manning" now you will try to use it to deflect and ignore my comments, but the truth is out here for everyone to see

I posted several questions, if you are indeed on the 5 frequency level, then you should be able to answer them

Go ahead, there's nothing stoping you from doing it

sourcetruth
16th October 2019, 05:37
You sure get busy sharing the word

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?108597-A-Youtube-channel-named-Quartz-Crystal.-Says-many-interesting-things-about-how-Source-Players-create-the-matrix.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1245804/pg1
http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=131173
https://www.actualized.org/forum/topic/39580-matrix-powered-by-souls-energy-quartz-crystal-youtube-channel/
https://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message4134490/pg1?c1=1&c2=1&disclaimer=Continue

I loved this one, oh the challenge!




Of course not, you think that because a couple days went by and you remained silent and other people posted in between, you can just ignore the questions and move on as if nothing happened?

You do that so much that it has become sad to watch.

I don't just get "busy sharing the word", I actually engage with the people who reply to my threads, so this must be more about just sharing the word. If this was just about advertising I wouldn't have stayed this long to engage with people, and I would have given up already.

You are only looking for "answers" to your "questions" that will fit the opinion that you already have formed about me.


Just because you look away doesn't mean reality stops existing

Reality only exists as long as there are source players experiencing it.

sourcetruth
16th October 2019, 05:43
No, i had to hide something about me to protect myself, and i asked for help with that. I was a small sacrifice of integrity but it also had a purpose, to allow the true nature of the cult to be exposed.

Otherwise i would not have been able to question it as i was

I'm going to wait for all the answers i requested, but we will see none

This has nothing to do with BR, he doesn't even know about this. And even if he knew, he is not my owner like that lady is with sourcetruth, i fly alone Chris. I don't need anyone to tell me how to think or how to feel, or what to do



Proselytizing is your work

You learned a new word, "straw-manning" now you will try to use it to deflect and ignore my comments, but the truth is out here for everyone to see

I posted several questions, if you are indeed on the 5 frequency level, then you should be able to answer them

Go ahead, there's nothing stoping you from doing it

I did answer your questions but you did not see them as the answers that you wanted to get to support your position.

You think that whatever you are doing will discredit me but it won't.

Malisa
16th October 2019, 05:45
There is absolutely no straw man argument here, you don't know how to use or what that concept really means

There are only two things happening here

1. The questions i posted that someone on your 'frequency' level should be able to answer
2. You refusing to answer any questions and continually ignoring them and answering with deflection and picking the simplest points in order to derail the conversation and avoid the actual questions

It is very clear you don't have any answers but act as if you had, then try to engage people into discussing the details of the cult

Well, people like to know what they're going to get into, no one except the weak minded people go full into something without first validating it.

Are these the kind of questions you would like to hear:

- How can i increase my frequency, can you tell me how you did it?
- How do i build my pendulum, can you help me?
- My pendulum says this and it's horrible, please help me figure it out
- I have some questions but can't find the anwers, can Judy answer me? Do i need to join the patreon site to ask her?
- I watched all of her videos, now what? I need to learn more....
- When i die, will i wake up on the primary matrix, who will help me there?
- Does Judy lives on this matrix and also on the primary matrix as a conscious being? Since she won the game already?


And so on.... ?

Anyway, i feel like i need to quote myself again here



Here's a clear explanation of how it usually works

- You post a theory
- People ask questions and challenge it
- You prove your theory by answering their questions until it becomes clear you have been proven right, or you are proven wrong
- Then you post more about your theory
- People asks more questions

You so far refuse to follow this approach, and well the proof of my words lies on your own posts

Your way seems to be

- You post a theory
- People ask the questions
- You don't like them and refuse to answer
- People challenge you
- You reject anything but the questions you expected from the script you learned by heart
- People refuses and asks more questions
- You call them ignorant and soulless

Is there anything missing here that we should be aware off?

Malisa
16th October 2019, 05:54
So if you watched all the 400+ videos, and want to continue learning, you have to pay? She has blocked access to anyone who doesn't pay, and she clearly has pointed that if you stop paying, you are rejected. You can't ask questions or chat with other members of the group unless you pay! Isn't that bad in your eyes?

Should we then assume that it doesn't matter if you are a source player or not, as long as you pay you are accepted, but even if you were a great source player if you stop paying you will be excluded from the group? Again that's how a cult works

Do you have to die to raise up in the primary matrix?

What if you were a source player but you still eat meat, are you forbidden to wake up on the primary matrix?

Who makes those rules?

If Judy won the game for all source players, then why is the game still playing?

sourcetruth
16th October 2019, 05:55
There is absolutely no straw man argument here, you don't know how to use or what that concept really means

There are only two things happening here

1. The questions i posted that someone on your 'frequency' level should be able to answer
2. You refusing to answer any questions and continually ignoring them and answering with deflection and picking the simplest points in order to derail the conversation and avoid the actual questions

It is very clear you don't have any answers but act as if you had, then try to engage people into discussing the details of the cult

Well, people like to know what they're going to get into, no one except the weak minded people go full into something without first validating it.



You try to strawman me to project a viewpoint of me that is a misrepresentation of me. You are clearly intending to portray me in the worst way possible,

You don't want to see my answers as answers, because you don't want to give me credit for anything.


Are these the kind of questions you would like to hear:

- How can i increase my frequency, can you tell me how you did it?
- How do i build my pendulum, can you help me?
- My pendulum says this and it's horrible, please help me figure it out
- I have some questions but can't find the anwers, can Judy answer me? Do i need to join the patreon site to ask her?
- I watched all of her videos, now what? I need to learn more....


And so on.... ?

I am looking for responses to the concepts presented in the OP, and this would include questions about such concepts, because I want to discuss these concepts. This can then lead to further discussion.

Let's start with one concept, what do you think about the concept of the matrix?

Malisa
16th October 2019, 06:03
You try to strawman me to project a viewpoint of me that is a misrepresentation of me. You are clearly intending to portray me in the worst way possible,

You don't want to see my answers as answers, because you don't want to give me credit for anything.



I am looking for responses to the concepts presented in the OP, and this would include questions about such concepts, because I want to discuss these concepts. This can then lead to further discussion.

Let's start with one concept, what do you think about the concept of the matrix?

Please stop saying "strawman"


You already posted the OP, i get the next turn to ask questions

I get to chose those questions, if you have wisdom or real knowledge then you should know them by heart

And i already asked about the matrix and there are at least two questions about it

Please answer my questions...

sourcetruth
16th October 2019, 06:08
So if you watched all the 400+ videos, and want to continue learning, you have to pay? She has blocked access to anyone who doesn't pay, and she clearly has pointed that if you stop paying, you are rejected. You can't ask questions or chat with other members of the group unless you pay! Isn't that bad in your eyes?

Should we then assume that it doesn't matter if you are a source player or not, as long as you pay you are accepted, but even if you were a great source player if you stop paying you will be excluded from the group? Again that's how a cult works


There is nothing more to learn from her patreon page, the posts on her patreon are only reuploads of her youtube videos, which are available for free.

The patreon is not a group, it is just a page where she reuploads videos from her youtube channel to.



Do you have to die to raise up in the primary matrix?


No, this is not stated anywhere in her videos.



What if you were a source player but you still eat meat, are you forbidden to wake up on the primary matrix?


You aren't waking up to go back to the primary matrix, because you would have gotten past that stage.
There is no goal of waking up to the primary matrix, the primary matrix was a point that you would have been at earlier.




Who makes those rules?

If Judy won the game for all source players, then why is the game still playing?

The rules of the game are made when this matrix was set up, but there are also consequences to actions within the matrix that are the results of aspects of the matrix.

To understand why you have to understand what is happening when the game is won and what the win is about.


Please stop saying "strawman"


You already posted the OP, i get the next turn to ask questions

I get to chose those questions, if you have wisdom or real knowledge then you should know them by heart

And i already asked about the matrix and there are at least two questions about it

Please answer my questions...

I am answering your questions.

You are strawmanning me though in your previous posts.

Malisa
16th October 2019, 06:23
There is nothing more to learn from her patreon page, the posts on her patreon are only reuploads of her youtube videos, which are available for free.

The patreon is not a group, it is just a page where she reuploads videos from her youtube channel to.




No, this is not stated anywhere in her videos.



You aren't waking up to go back to the primary matrix, because you would have gotten past that stage.
There is no goal of waking up to the primary matrix, the primary matrix was a point that you would have been at earlier.



The rules of the game are made when this matrix was set up, but there are also consequences to actions within the matrix that are the results of aspects of the matrix.

To understand why you have to understand what is happening when the game is won and what the win is about.



I am answering your questions.

You are strawmanning me though in your previous posts.


Oh you are not, my questions were clear, i don't see you answering with actual facts, just random mumble jumble that anyone could write in 5 seconds

For example

Did you know that the original matrix concept did not use humans as an energy source? That came later on and most people who learned the concept of "the matrix" and then went on to create religions and new wave concepts around it never got the memo that they got a version 2.0 of the concept?

And that's how you know they are all fake, because think about it, if the original concept was entirely different, who would know about it? Certainly not people who read about it and then let their imaginations fly

And then someone who was aware of the original concept said "but wait! Let's instead say that humans are the ones that power it" and then you publish it and suddenly there are lots of people talking about a "matrix powered by human souls"

Aianawa
16th October 2019, 06:29
Hearing and not listening is the answer, the Question could be changed to if you wanted or desired to learn something new, would it be about you .

sourcetruth
16th October 2019, 06:34
Oh you are not, my questions were clear, i don't see you answering with actual facts, just random mumble jumble that anyone could write in 5 seconds



First you say that I can't answer your questions and now you tell me that my answers aren't good enough, without actually replying to the content of my questions?
How can you consider my answers "mumble jumble" when you haven't even formed a reply to the content of my questions?


For example

Did you know that the original matrix concept did not use humans as an energy source? That came later on and most people who learned the concept of "the matrix" and then went to create religions and new wave concepts around it never got the memo that they got a version 2.0 of the concept?

And that's how you know they are all fake, because think about it, if the original concept was entirely different, who would know about it?


Do you have any links that show that the original matrix concept did not use humans as an energy source?

And even if it was, it would not mean that it is "fake".


And then someone said "but wait! Let's instead say that humans are the ones that power it" and then you publish it and suddenly there are lots of people talking about a "matrix powered by human souls"

That doesn't make the idea any less reasonable.
There is source truth in movies, it is out there in movies for source players to pick up on if they want to look for it. The matrix movie is the matrix putting out source truth for source players.

Malisa
16th October 2019, 06:40
First you say that I can't answer your questions and now you tell me that my answers aren't good enough, without actually replying to the content of my questions?
How can you consider my answers "mumble jumble" when you haven't even formed a reply to the content of my questions?



Do you have any links that show that the original matrix concept did not use humans as an energy source?

And even if it was, it would not mean that it is "fake".



That doesn't make the idea any less reasonable.
There is source truth in movies, it is out there in movies for source players to pick up on if they want to look for it. The matrix movie is the matrix putting out source truth for source players.

I don't think you understand how this all works outside your limited point of view

You continue to be in denial

The teachings by Judy are based on a broken/purposely misleading "knowledge" that was distributed as such, with that exact purpose :)

That's how you filter out people

Are you aware of what compartmentalization is and how it works?

Just by answering the way you did, you have basically acknowledged that you don't have a clue what's going on


:)

sourcetruth
16th October 2019, 06:51
I don't think you understand how this all works outside your limited point of view

You continue to be in denial

The teachings by Judy are based on a broken/purposely misleading "knowledge" that was distributed as such, with that exact purpose :)

That's how you filter out people

Are you aware of what compartmentalization is and how it works?

Just by answering the way you did, you have basically acknowledged that you don't have a clue what's going on


:)

I don't think that you should judge what I understand and don't understand.

You try to talk to me in this attitude of myself being the one who lacks understanding.

The base of the Quartz Crystal teachings were concepts that were already recognized by others, and she built on top of this base with her own original information.

These concepts were those that I already was familiar with and had an acceptance of before I discovered Quartz Crystals videos.

Compartmentalization, as in the psychological defense mechanism?
You want to frame me this way because in your mind you think that you are right.

You think that I don't know where you are coming from but I do, and it does not mean that any of this is wrong.

Malisa
16th October 2019, 07:15
I don't think that you should judge what I understand and don't understand.

You try to talk to me in this attitude of myself being the one who lacks understanding.

The base of the Quartz Crystal teachings were concepts that were already recognized by others, and she built on top of this base with her own original information.

These concepts were those that I already was familiar with and had an acceptance of before I discovered Quartz Crystals videos.

Compartmentalization, as in the psychological defense mechanism?
You want to frame me this way because in your mind you think that you are right.

You think that I don't know where you are coming from but I do, and it does not mean that any of this is wrong.

Dude, you are judged by what you express yourself

How do you see yourself is not how people see you, you are projecting a specific image out there and since we are not seeing each other in the eye, you are projecting your image through words just like me

Your words right now say you don't know what's going on

You can try to patch what you said before, but reality is that you said it based on what you understood at the moment, which comes from the immediate knowledge you have available

See how it works?



You think that I don't know where you are coming from but I do, and it does not mean that any of this is wrong.

See my comment above this quote. So instead of saying this, you should have proven me wrong, with your immediate knowledge

Your statement means nothing, literarily

Prove how i did not show you wrong right now, in detail

Let me be more clear because i can see how this is going to become another deflecting argument for you



Compartmentalization, as in the psychological defense mechanism?


You should be more honest about these things, see? Why not just ask and say "I don't know this, can you point me to where i can learn more about it?" Instead of trying to pretend, and then read through it and figure out why i mentioned it here


No that's not at all, you have displayed a giant lack of knowledge right there

So how can you trust your criteria, if you can't even figure out or know in advance what that word means or how the concept works?

How can you know what blue looks like, if you are blind?

Just out of curiosity i ran a search on google, turns out the first hit is

Compartmentalization (psychology) - Wikipedia

sourcetruth
16th October 2019, 07:22
Dude, you are judged by what you express yourself

How do you see yourself is not how people see you, you are projecting a specific image out there and since we are not seeing each other in the eye, you are projecting your image through words just like me

Your words right now say you don't know what's going on

You can try to patch what you said before, but reality is that you said it based on what you understood at the moment, which comes from the immediate knowledge you have available

See how it works?


See my comment above this quote. So instead of saying this, you should have proven me wrong, with your immediate knowledge

Your statement means nothing, literarily

Prove how i did not show you wrong right now, in detail

But in this case, you are presenting an image of me to others that is misrepresented in a negative way.

Your attitude towards me is to try to put me down by telling me thigns such as "your statement means nothibg" and "you don't know what is going on"

I told you this but you must have ignored it:

The base of the Quartz Crystal teachings were concepts that were already recognized by others, and she built on top of this base with her own original information.

That is the response to what you said about the base of the Quartz Crystal teachings.
You don't actually seem to care about my answer, you care more about tellibg me that my answer is wrong then actually tellibg me anything about my answer, which says a lot about your attitude towards me.

Malisa
16th October 2019, 07:33
But in this case, you are presenting an image of me to others that is misrepresented in a negative way.

Your attitude towards me is to try to put me down by telling me thigns such as "your statement means nothibg" and "you don't know what is going on"

I told you this but you must have ignored it:

That is the response to what you said about the base of the Quartz Crystal teachings.
You don't actually seem to care about my answer, you care more about tellibg me that my answer is wrong then actually tellibg me anything about my answer, which says a lot about your attitude towards me.


Let's focus on what we were talking about please

Why do you attempt to switch to something else?

Don't do that, this is why people gets tired of you and then you get banned

Let's get to the end of what we were talking and figure out if i'm right or you are



"your statement means nothibg" and "you don't know what is going on"


At least i did not call you "Ignorant dumb and soulless" :) So i got that going for me :D

Chris
16th October 2019, 07:43
No, i had to hide something about me to protect myself, and i asked for help with that. I was a small sacrifice of integrity but it also had a purpose, to allow the true nature of the cult to be exposed.

Otherwise i would not have been able to question it as i was

I'm going to wait for all the answers i requested, but we will see none

This has nothing to do with BR, he doesn't even know about this. And even if he knew, he is not my owner like that lady is with sourcetruth, i fly alone Chris. I don't need anyone to tell me how to think or how to feel, or what to do



Apologies for flipping out on you. I am starting to see your point.

sourcetruth
16th October 2019, 07:47
Let's focus on what we were talking about please

Why do you attempt to switch to something else?

Don't do that, this is why people gets tired of you and then you get banned

Let's get to the end of what we were talking and figure out if i'm right or you are



At least i did not call you "Ignorant dumb and soulless" :) So i got that going for me :D

It was not "swtiching" at all, it was a completely reasonable response to your post, but you are too heaitant to acknowledge it because of your antagonism towards me.

People get tired of me and bam me because they don't like my ideas, such as the ideas of soulless people and the ideas of not eating meat and not having orgasms.

You think that you can put me down with your words, because of your antagonism towards me.

Malisa
16th October 2019, 07:59
It was not "swtiching" at all, it was a completely reasonable response to your post, but you are too heaitant to acknowledge it because of your antagonism towards me.

People get tired of me and bam me because they don't like my ideas, such as the ideas of soulless people and the ideas of not eating meat and not having orgasms.

You think that you can put me down with your words, because of your antagonism towards me.



Her "point"? You mean how she tries to "expose" me?


No that's not what he mean, but let's not get us distracted about what we are discussing here

As I was saying.. "compartmentalization"

Have you looked more into it by now?

If not you should learn well about it before we continue our discussion here :)

Compartmentalization and what i told you before about Matrix 2.0 go hand in hand

So you get to know where the information came from, when people use it on the "outside" world, and that's how you filter them out and now where the source or leak came from

You should really understand that concept well, before we can keep our conversation going, ok?

You were mistaken about confusing it with that wikipedia article, so please don't say now that you knew all along what compartmentalization is

sourcetruth
16th October 2019, 08:11
No that's not what he mean, but let's not get us distracted about what we are discussing here

As I was saying.. "compartmentalization"

Have you looked more into it by now?

If not you should learn well about it before we continue our discussion here :)

Compartmentalization and what i told you before about Matrix 2.0 go hand in hand

So you get to know where the information came from, when people use it on the "outside" world, and that's how you filter them out and now where the source or leak came from

You should really understand that concept well, before we can keep our conversation going, ok?

You were mistaken about confusing it with that wikipedia article, so please don't say now that you knew all along what compartmentalization is

Instead of telling me to try to explain it, why don't you explain how "compartmentalization" applies here? I am not going to do it for you.

This information is found in places such as movies, you are talking about how in the matrix movie the energy is taken from humans to power it.
This is analagous to how energy is drained from source players to power the matrix.
This is how source tries to reach out to us, through movies which give us analagous concepts that we can understand to be analagous to what is happening in this matrix.

The concept of energy being used to create something is not unique to the matrix movie, it is a fact about reality. This is analagous to how potential energy exists as something that can become kinetic energy.

It makes sense that it would take something to power the creation of the matrix. How would you have creation without any power to create? The power to create is what exists as a potential, and this potential is the potential energy that is stored and given to source players to power the matrix.

Aragorn
16th October 2019, 10:54
What is spiritual knowledge to you, is it conclusions that you have reached through logical reasoning or other means, or is it about information that comes from other sources that you agree with?

That is actually a very good question. In my case, it comes from logical reasoning, several decades of very intense and perpetual psychological and neurological self-analysis, very early childhood memories regarding how I looked at the world during the first years of my mortal existence, being absolutely honest with myself to the full 100% ─ which takes a lot of courage ─ several paranormal experiences (with witnesses) and finally, the corroboration by a single external source, who was herself not an evangelist of any sorts, but rather someone who reported ─ she's dead now ─ on the testimonies of people she had been hypnotically regressing.

I have also already encountered many others of "my kind" in my own life's journey. And their experiences also all corresponded with mine, without that they had consulted any external sources. In fact, those that did seek out external sources for clarification all ended up confused and misled.


When you are criticizing this material, is this coming from the standpoint of your previous spiritual knowledge?

In part, yes, but also in part based upon the textbook cult behavior and obvious affliction with psychopathy of the woman in question. All the patterns are there.

And trust me, I know a psychopath when I see one. One of my ex-girlfriends was a certifiable psychopath, and I've been dealing with psychopaths and sociopaths all of my life.


What I meant when I said that it was not reasonable that everyone has a soul was that I do not see it as a logical conclusion to make.

The assumption that everyone else has a soul comes from observing ourselves as having souls, and projecting that this would also apply to everyone else. What it looks like to us is that we are there in the body, having the experience of a body. When we think of other people as being conscious or having souls we think of there being another experiencer in that body the same way that we are. It is also based in the assumption that I am just like all of the other human beings, and not seperate from them.

However, when we examine why we think that everyone else must have a soul, the idea does not stand up to logical scrutiny. When we dive deeper into the nature of consciousness and ask a lot of questions about our existence in this reality, we may find certain things that don't make sense in our attempts at an explanation. When we question the idea that everyone has a soul, we can realize how we have tried to make our explanations of this reality around this assumption, and how if we discarded it, our explanations would be more logical.

When I realize that I am not this human body, I realize that this body exists independant of me. From this understanding, I understand that a body could exist independently of a soul.

Negative. A body that does not have a soul can only exist in a medical state known as brain-dead, and will eventually die unless kept on life support.

Likewise, a fetus in the womb may not have a soul (yet), but said fetus is then on life support, because it is being kept alive and its cell growth is being stimulated by the mother, through the placenta. If the fetus does not merge with a soul before the final stages of pregnancy, then the baby will be stillborn.

Commonly, a soul will bond with a fetus ─ but not enter it yet ─ during the first stages of the pregnancy, so as to help shape the body's properties along the lines of what would be compatible with the soul that's about to merge with it. The merger usually comes within the second term of the pregnancy, although that's not a rule.


Quartz Crystal is not the only person that I have found the idea of soulless ones, there are other sources that have proposed the same concept.

Oh, I have no doubts about that. But that doesn't make it true yet. People can and do jump to the wrong conclusions, and they can get there by following highly varying paths. But that doesn't mean that their assumptions would be correct.


I will ask you this, what is a soul to you?

As I've explained, what I personally consider "the soul" is the identity of a particular individual ─ whether this individual is a human being or another sentient being is irrelevant. The soul itself is not a person, but it is the blueprint for what makes the person ─ which is what I call "the spirit" ─ and so a person/spirit, if we exclude the physical component for a moment, is what you get when a soul is animated (in the literal sense of the word) by the consciousness field. This creates a unique individual, with a personality, but the individual only exist within the consciousness field of the Prime Creator.

Think of a little boy playing with toy soldiers and re-enacting World War II. On his one hand, he's got the allied soldiers (UK, USA, Canada, various resistance movements) and on the other hand the axis powers (the Nazis, the Italians, the Japanese). From up close, it all looks very real. A Nazi shoots a US soldier, a UK soldier shoots a Nazi, and so on. But it is all the little boy who's animating the little toy soldiers. Without the little boy, those toy soldiers are merely plastic figurines. They don't move, the don't have any motivation, they don't think, and they most certainly aren't fighting any wars.

That's how it works. We are all being animated by the same consciousness field, namely that of the Prime Creator, which itself is the conscious part of a quantum singularity, trying to discover its own potential by collapsing the wave-function on every little bit of said potential with the question "What if?".

It is also not the duty of any individual to seek enlightenment. Those who seek enlightenment will never find it, because it cannot be found, period. Instead, enlightenment will find you, if and when the time is right. It is foolish to want to become a deity. You are born on Earth with a reason, and that reason is that you must live a human life, and discover what it means to be human ─ and be a good human.


The way that I define a soul is that it is something that houses a fractalization of source consciousness inside of it.

Let me put it this way... Your consciousness is not a fragment of Source consciousness, but you yourself are a microscope that Source consciousness is looking back at itself through, because the fact that you are an individual makes your experience subjective, and subjectivity is what gives meaning to everything.

At the level of Source itself, there is only one. Source is unique, in the literal sense ─ there is nothing other than Source. And that is exactly why everything that Source is comprised of is totally meaningless. It can only have meaning when there is "an Other". That's how the dichotomy between Self and Other came to be. It puts things into perspective by adding subjectivity.

And as always, the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. Apart from each of our subjective experiences as a Self, or in the eyes of someone else, an Other, there is also the interaction between the Selfs and Others as perceived by Source ─ or more concretely, the Prime Creator consciousness ─ itself. And that is then what leads us to what the Catholics call "the Holy Trinity", or what is known as the Hegelian dialectic, i.e. "Out of thesis and antithesis, synthesis will be born."

The Self is the thesis. The Other is the antithesis. And the synthesis is what the Prime Creator consciousness can learn from the interaction between the two, and what gives it the final meaning to its own existence. It is the wheel of Yin and Yang, spinning around indefinitely, with Yin chasing Yang and Yang chasing Yin.


However, I consider a soul to only have an existence within the matrix.

Forget about that whole matrix thing. That's an "alternative community" meme that's been going round since the Matrix movies appeared ─ and only since then. As intriguing as the concept of those movies was ─ and they do prompt one to think a little deeper ─ they were only blockbuster movies, meant to entertain, and by entertaining enough people, to bring in money for their producers ─ like all movies. It's an industry, not a sudden revelation of a hidden spiritual truth, or a proper description of how reality works.

Fred Steeves
16th October 2019, 12:05
As someone else pointed out, you are proselytizing,

Of course this is true, it's beyond ridiculous by this point. But it's also true that you are "that guy" who chooses to make a spectacle of himself as well, by engaging the crazy bugger on the street corner who's ranting something about the end is near.

Now mind you I'm having a fine old time here on the sidelines with my beer and popcorn watching this dog and pony show, but just out of curiosity I'm wondering why it's so dang important for you to be "that guy"? It's like watching yin and yang duke it out in a cage match. :lol:

PurpleLama
16th October 2019, 12:08
The entire premise may be defeated on one simple point, which I know sc will not agree with, but I would be surprised if anyone else disagreed with:

Any system that requires other humans to be dehumanized in order for those within said system to be seen as more special, powerful, or more human in some way is itself an illegitimate system.

https://i.imgflip.com/3dgg4v.jpg

Aragorn
16th October 2019, 13:09
The entire premise may be defeated on one simple point, which I know sc will not agree with, but I would be surprised if anyone else disagreed with:

Any system that requires other humans to be dehumanized in order for those within said system to be seen as more special, powerful, or more human in some way is itself an illegitimate system.

... And a cult. Agreed 100%.



https://i.imgflip.com/3dgg4v.jpg

I'll buy it for a dollar. ;)

Emil El Zapato
16th October 2019, 13:16
Chris, you have made many excellent points in your posts.

Aragorn has done a poor job of trying to excuse Kai and our suspicions against them. It is very clear to us what is happening and what has happened with PA.

What will Kai respond with, now that it is clear what they came here to do?

Your quote from earlier is very clear to us now,



People were already claiming this years ago on TOT, and although according to Aragorn they were "retracted", it is clear to us that they have not changed.



What is spiritual knowledge to you, is it conclusions that you have reached through logical reasoning or other means, or is it about information that comes from other sources that you agree with?

When you are criticizing this material, is this coming from the standpoint of your previous spiritual knowledge?



What I meant when I said that it was not reasonable that everyone has a soul was that I do not see it as a logical conclusion to make.

The assumption that everyone else has a soul comes from observing ourselves as having souls, and projecting that this would also apply to everyone else. What it looks like to us is that we are there in the body, having the experience of a body. When we think of other people as being conscious or having souls we think of there being another experiencer in that body the same way that we are. It is also based in the assumption that I am just like all of the other human beings, and not seperate from them.

However, when we examine why we think that everyone else must have a soul, the idea does not stand up to logical scrutiny. When we dive deeper into the nature of consciousness and ask a lot of questions about our existence in this reality, we may find certain things that don't make sense in our attempts at an explanation. When we question the idea that everyone has a soul, we can realize how we have tried to make our explanations of this reality around this assumption, and how if we discarded it, our explanations would be more logical.

When I realize that I am not this human body, I realize that this body exists independant of me. From this understanding, I understand that a body could exist independently of a soul.

Quartz Crystal is not the only person that I have found the idea of soulless ones, there are other sources that have proposed the same concept. Before I saw Quartz Crystals channel, I was familiar of the concept from these other sources.

The concept of soulless people has also been referred to as "organic portals".

http://montalk.net/matrix/157/spiritless-humans

https://veilofreality.com/2011/04/18/organic-portals-soulless-humans/

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_organicportals06.htm



I will ask you this, what is a soul to you?

The way that I define a soul is that it is something that houses a fractalization of source consciousness inside of it.

However, I consider a soul to only have an existence within the matrix. There are no souls outside of the matrix, there are only fractals of source consciousness, and the source fractal is housed within a soul. This is where the concept of a soul cage comes from, the source fractal is trapped inside of the soul cage in order to experience this reality.

The reality that exist is centered around the consciousness of these source fractals, which are creating the matrix.



You should at least be willing to hear what I have to say about this topic, because I have a lot more to say.



He has also done something similar in my thread on PA where he tries to get the staff involved.

I hate disagreeing with my buddy Aragorn and I do agree that in some philosophical circles it would be considered non sequitur to say 'soulless humans'. I am willing to entertain that possibility however based on several principles. Multiple modern human variations. Home Erectus, Neanderthals, Homo Sapiens, Denisovans, etc. Biblical proclamations against miscegenation regarding such. And fractalization of souls is perfectly logical particularly from an Eastern philosophical perspective. Creation is holistic and multi-dimensional, it is possible from that perspective alone that souls are fractal in nature. Fractals are the foundation of natural structure, etc, etc. And last but not least and most aggravating for Aragorn, we have Master Trump to examine as Exhibit A.

As for meat, I'm not a big meat eater but it is fortunate that I don't care to be a member of the 5th dimension. :)

sourcetruth
16th October 2019, 13:23
That is actually a very good question. In my case, it comes from logical reasoning, several decades of very intense and perpetual psychological and neurological self-analysis, very early childhood memories regarding how I looked at the world during the first years of my mortal existence, being absolutely honest with myself to the full 100% ─ which takes a lot of courage ─ several paranormal experiences (with witnesses) and finally, the corroboration by a single external source, who was herself not an evangelist of any sorts, but rather someone who reported ─ she's dead now ─ on the testimonies of people she had been hypnotically regressing.

I have also already encountered many others of "my kind" in my own life's journey. And their experiences also all corresponded with mine, without that they had consulted any external sources. In fact, those that did seek out external sources for clarification all ended up confused and misled.



In part, yes, but also in part based upon the textbook cult behavior and obvious affliction with psychopathy of the woman in question. All the patterns are there.

And trust me, I know a psychopath when I see one. One of my ex-girlfriends was a certifiable psychopath, and I've been dealing with psychopaths and sociopaths all of my life.



Negative. A body that does not have a soul can only exist in a medical state known as brain-dead, and will eventually die unless kept on life support.

Likewise, a fetus in the womb may not have a soul (yet), but said fetus is then on life support, because it is being kept alive and its cell growth is being stimulated by the mother, through the placenta. If the fetus does not merge with a soul before the final stages of pregnancy, then the baby will be stillborn.

Commonly, a soul will bond with a fetus ─ but not enter it yet ─ during the first stages of the pregnancy, so as to help shape the body's properties along the lines of what would be compatible with the soul that's about to merge with it. The merger usually comes within the second term of the pregnancy, although that's not a rule.



Oh, I have no doubts about that. But that doesn't make it true yet. People can and do jump to the wrong conclusions, and they can get there by following highly varying paths. But that doesn't mean that their assumptions would be correct.



As I've explained, what I personally consider "the soul" is the identity of a particular individual ─ whether this individual is a human being or another sentient being is irrelevant. The soul itself is not a person, but it is the blueprint for what makes the person ─ which is what I call "the spirit" ─ and so a person/spirit, if we exclude the physical component for a moment, is what you get when a soul is animated (in the literal sense of the word) by the consciousness field. This creates a unique individual, with a personality, but the individual only exist within the consciousness field of the Prime Creator.

Think of a little boy playing with toy soldiers and re-enacting World War II. On his one hand, he's got the allied soldiers (UK, USA, Canada, various resistance movements) and on the other hand the axis powers (the Nazis, the Italians, the Japanese). From up close, it all looks very real. A Nazi shoots a US soldier, a UK soldier shoots a Nazi, and so on. But it is all the little boy who's animating the little toy soldiers. Without the little boy, those toy soldiers are merely plastic figurines. They don't move, the don't have any motivation, they don't think, and they most certainly aren't fighting any wars.

That's how it works. We are all being animated by the same consciousness field, namely that of the Prime Creator, which itself is the conscious part of a quantum singularity, trying to discover its own potential by collapsing the wave-function on every little bit of said potential with the question "What if?".

It is also not the duty of any individual to seek enlightenment. Those who seek enlightenment will never find it, because it cannot be found, period. Instead, enlightenment will find you, if and when the time is right. It is foolish to want to become a deity. You are born on Earth with a reason, and that reason is that you must live a human life, and discover what it means to be human ─ and be a good human.



Let me put it this way... Your consciousness is not a fragment of Source consciousness, but you yourself are a microscope that Source consciousness is looking back at itself through, because the fact that you are an individual makes your experience subjective, and subjectivity is what gives meaning to everything.

At the level of Source itself, there is only one. Source is unique, in the literal sense ─ there is nothing other than Source. And that is exactly why everything that Source is comprised of is totally meaningless. It can only have meaning when there is "an Other". That's how the dichotomy between Self and Other came to be. It puts things into perspective by adding subjectivity.

And as always, the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. Apart from each of our subjective experiences as a Self, or in the eyes of someone else, an Other, there is also the interaction between the Selfs and Others as perceived by Source ─ or more concretely, the Prime Creator consciousness ─ itself. And that is then what leads us to what the Catholics call "the Holy Trinity", or what is known as the Hegelian dialectic, i.e. "Out of thesis and antithesis, synthesis will be born."

The Self is the thesis. The Other is the antithesis. And the synthesis is what the Prime Creator consciousness can learn from the interaction between the two, and what gives it the final meaning to its own existence. It is the wheel of Yin and Yang, spinning around indefinitely, with Yin chasing Yang and Yang chasing Yin.



Forget about that whole matrix thing. That's an "alternative community" meme that's been going round since the Matrix movies appeared ─ and only since then. As intriguing as the concept of those movies was ─ and they do prompt one to think a little deeper ─ they were only blockbuster movies, meant to entertain, and by entertaining enough people, to bring in money for their producers ─ like all movies. It's an industry, not a sudden revelation of a hidden spiritual truth, or a proper description of how reality works.

A body without a soul would not be brain dead. Instead of having a soul they would just be animated by the energy of source players.

Having a soul is more then just having a particulat identity. The "spirit" is a matrix counterfeit to a soul, they are computer programs within the matrix.

Source players are not just being animated, they are the animators.

You said that we are all being animated by a field of source consciousness. This "field" only exists within the perspective of source players, who are the focal point of experiencing reality as consciousness. This field is what animates the soulless ones, ut iy does not animate the other source players. This "field" cannot exist without something being used to sustain it, and that something is energy taken from source players.

You are completely wrong to say that one should not seek enlightenment, if you are a source player looking for truth, you will find some of it in what the matrix puts out there, but you have to keep searching for answers. I have found some of these answers before I ever watched Quartz Crystals videos, but Quaetz Crystal still provided me with a lot of new knowledge that built on top of this foundation.

The idea behind the matrix movie is the idea of experiencing a computer stimulation. It is not an idea that comes soley form the matrix movie, the idea of this reality being analagous to a computer stimulations has been taken seriously by people.

The idea of being in a computer stimulation from the matrix movie is taken analagously, although applied literally in a sense, but not as in a computer stimulation, but rather an artiricial construct that we live in.

This reality is not only a creation by source. The idea of this reality being created by source is taken one step further to then decide that we live in an artificial construct. This artificial construct is what creates soulless ones, because they are necessary for the matrix to exist in its present state.

Aragorn
16th October 2019, 13:26
IAnd last but not least and most aggravating for Aragorn, we have Master Trump to examine as Exhibit A.

He most certainly does have a soul. It's just not a very nice one, and his low level of consciousness isn't exactly helping the US population in that regard. Or for that matter, the rest of the world.

Chairman Kim might disagree. :p

Emil El Zapato
16th October 2019, 13:29
Dude, you are judged by what you express yourself

How do you see yourself is not how people see you, you are projecting a specific image out there and since we are not seeing each other in the eye, you are projecting your image through words just like me

Your words right now say you don't know what's going on

You can try to patch what you said before, but reality is that you said it based on what you understood at the moment, which comes from the immediate knowledge you have available

See how it works?


See my comment above this quote. So instead of saying this, you should have proven me wrong, with your immediate knowledge

Your statement means nothing, literarily

Prove how i did not show you wrong right now, in detail

Let me be more clear because i can see how this is going to become another deflecting argument for you



You should be more honest about these things, see? Why not just ask and say "I don't know this, can you point me to where i can learn more about it?" Instead of trying to pretend, and then read through it and figure out why i mentioned it here


No that's not at all, you have displayed a giant lack of knowledge right there

So how can you trust your criteria, if you can't even figure out or know in advance what that word means or how the concept works?

How can you know what blue looks like, if you are blind?

Just out of curiosity i ran a search on google, turns out the first hit is

Compartmentalization (psychology) - Wikipedia


Forgive me Kai, but I'm not seeing it, but you obviously are. ST might be strident, committed, even proselytizing (however that wouldn't bother me even if it were true) but, I haven't seen where there is evidence of a sinister intent which I have seen even here on TOT. Are you in danger of being cultivated? It certainly doesn't seem like it to me, I haven't noticed anyone yet in that danger. I think just the opposite is true. My first impression was that the sore point was 'New Age' which is a trigger for alt-righters and you know why? Because it is at its root a positive approach to improving the human condition. Where it goes bad and it always goes bad no matter the direction, New Age, old time religion, alt-right, (most Western philosophies, actually) is when exploitation sets in. 400 free videos travels a good distance in my estimation to bridging that pitfall.

Just my not so humble opinion. :)

sourcetruth
16th October 2019, 13:30
The entire premise may be defeated on one simple point, which I know sc will not agree with, but I would be surprised if anyone else disagreed with:

Any system that requires other humans to be dehumanized in order for those within said system to be seen as more special, powerful, or more human in some way is itself an illegitimate system.

https://i.imgflip.com/3dgg4v.jpg

Soulless ones come in all different forms, nowhere did I say that source players were "better" or "worse" compared to soulless ones.

It is you that sees the soulless ones concept as dehumanizing, not me. They are still human but they are not more then human, unlike the souls, who are more then just human.

You want to hold this as if it is absolute truth, I see your statement as an extension of the ideology that all humans are equal.

sourcetruth
16th October 2019, 13:38
I hate disagreeing with my buddy Aragorn and I do agree that in some philosophical circles it would be considered non sequitur to say 'soulless humans'. I am willing to entertain that possibility however based on several principles. Multiple modern human variations. Home Erectus, Neanderthals, Homo Sapiens, Denisovans, etc. Biblical proclamations against miscegenation regarding such. And fractalization of souls is perfectly logical particularly from an Eastern philosophical perspective. Creation is holistic and multi-dimensional, it is possible from that perspective alone that souls are fractal in nature. Fractals are the foundation of natural structure, etc, etc. And last but not least and most aggravating for Aragorn, we have Master Trump to examine as Exhibit A.

As for meat, I'm not a big meat eater but it is fortunate that I don't care to be a member of the 5th dimension. :)

I consider the idea of soulless humans to be a legitimate concept that needs to be explored further. It is not omay for this idea to be rejected in the way that it has been, the rejection for this idea is coming from the ideology of considering all people as equal.

Fractals could indeed be a plausible concept of explaining and representing how the different branches of consciousness exist on the same tree.

I am not a eater of any animal foods at all :)nj

Aragorn
16th October 2019, 13:42
A body without a soul would not be brain dead. Instead of having a soul they would just be animated by the energy of source players.


:bsflag:


Having a soul is more then just having a particulat identity. The "spirit" is a matrix counterfeit to a soul, they are computer programs within the matrix.

Source players are not just being animated, they are the animators..


:bsflag:


You said that we are all being animated by a field of source consciousness. This "field" only exists within the perspective of source players, who are the focal point of experiencing reality as consciousness. This field is what animates the soulless ones, ut iy does not animate the other source players. This "field" cannot exist without something being used to sustain it, and that something is energy taken from source players.


:bsflag:


You are completely wrong to say that one should not seek enlightenment, if you are a source player looking for truth, you will find some of it in what the matrix puts out there, but you have to keep searching for answers.

Seeking enlightenment is not about seeking answers to questions. Those who actively seek enlightenment are doing it out of ego, because they want to be gods.


I have found some of these answers before I ever watched Quartz Crystals videos, but Quaetz Crystal still provided me with a lot of new knowledge that built on top of this foundation.

The idea behind the matrix movie is the idea of experiencing a computer stimulation. It is not an idea that comes soley form the matrix movie, the idea of this reality being analagous to a computer stimulations has been taken seriously by people.

The idea of being in a computer stimulation from the matrix movie is taken analagously, although applied literally in a sense, but not as in a computer stimulation, but rather an artiricial construct that we live in.

This reality is not only a creation by source. The idea of this reality being created by source is taken one step further to then decide that we live in an artificial construct. This artificial construct is what creates soulless ones, because they are necessary for the matrix to exist in its present state.

:bsflag: And spoken like a True Believer™. Judy already has you packaged and ready to ship out. You've been brainwashed.

And if that is what you choose to be ─ and I know with every fiber in my body that nothing I or anyone else here can say will sway you off of your chosen path, because you're too far gone already ─ then so be it, and then I wish you a safe journey through life. Just make sure you bring a parachute with you, because it's a long way down that abyss.

Just don't try recruiting any followers here at The One Truth, because then you're going to be experiencing a few seconds of zero gravity on your way out the door. Possibly even some time dilation if we kick you out hard enough.



Thou hast been warned. :wiz:



:watch:

sourcetruth
16th October 2019, 13:45
Forgive me Kai, but I'm not seeing it, but you obviously are. ST might be strident, committed, even proselytizing (however that wouldn't bother me even if it were true) but, I haven't seen where there is evidence of a sinister intent which I have seen even here on TOT. Are you in danger of being cultivated? It certainly doesn't seem like it to me, I haven't noticed anyone yet in that danger. I think just the opposite is true. My first impression was that the sore point was 'New Age' which is a trigger for alt-righters and you know why? Because it is at its root a positive approach to improving the human condition. Where it goes bad and it always goes bad no matter the direction, New Age, old time religion, alt-right, (most Western philosophies, actually) is when exploitation sets in. 400 free videos travels a good distance in my estimation to bridging that pitfall.

Just my not so humble opinion. :)

i am indeed very strident and commited.

There is really no evidence of a sinister intent on my part, this is just an accusation that people like Kai want to scream at me, because they want to personally attack me.

There is nothing wrong with these concepts presented in the videos, it is just that people like her want to oppose it because the nature of the concepts do not fit well with them. For example, the ideas of not eating meat and not having orgasms would not fit well with many people, and the idea of soulless ones would also not fit well with many people.

Emil El Zapato
16th October 2019, 13:49
I consider the idea of soulless humans to be a legitimate concept that needs to be explored further. It is not omay for this idea to be rejected in the way that it has been, the rejection for this idea is coming from the ideology of considering all people as equal.

Fractals could indeed be a plausible concept of explaining and representing how the different branches of consciousness exist on the same tree.

I am not a eater of any animal foods at all :)nj

People are/are not equal is a loaded concept. Personally I think at an intrinsic level all people are equal. No one should be treated as different out of the chute (a distasteful analogy). The Source endows all humans equally with spiritual grace. How one chooses to use it is within itself a very conundrum filled process. A soulless one demonstrates itself as less than human by choices made not as an intrinsic characteristic...in my humble opinion (this time humble) :)

sourcetruth
16th October 2019, 13:56
People are/are not equal is a loaded concept. Personally I think at an intrinsic level all people are equal. No one should be treated as different out of the chute (a distasteful analogy). The Source endows all humans equally with spiritual grace. How one chooses to use it is within itself a very conundrum filled process. A soulless one demonstrates itself as less than human by choices made not as an intrinsic characteristic...in my humble opinion (this time humble) :)

Well yes, the soulless one only shows itself to be less human by the choices that they make as a soulless one.

The soulless ones come in all differrent forms. I would not consider the soulless ones to be better or worse then source players, they are made to pretend to be source players when they are not.

Wind
16th October 2019, 14:07
Only robots would not have souls. All plants, animals and humans do have souls for sure, anyone who tells differently doesn't know what they're talking about. Some people have very young or very dark souls and some have very old and advanced & bright souls. Everyone is different in the sense that none of us are on the same level of consciousness, but there sure aren't any living humans who wouldn't have souls. Nor animals.

sourcetruth
16th October 2019, 14:13
Only robots would not have souls. All plants, animals and humans do have souls for sure, anyone who tells differently doesn't know what they're talking about. Some people have very young or very dark souls and some have very old and advanced & bright souls. Everyone is different in the sense that none of us are on the same level of consciousness, but there sure aren't any living humans who wouldn't have souls. Nor animals.

Not all humans contain source fractals within them.

These humans appear to act like they have a soul because they are being animated with energy that comes from source players. You are confusing looking like they ahve a soul with actually having a soul.



:bsflag:



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:bsflag:



Seeking enlightenment is not about seeking answers to questions. Those who actively seek enlightenment are doing it out of ego, because they want to be gods.



:bsflag: And spoken like a True Believer™. Judy already has you packaged and ready to ship out. You've been brainwashed.

And if that is what you choose to be ─ and I know with every fiber in my body that nothing I or anyone else here can say will sway you off of your chosen path, because you're too far gone already ─ then so be it, and then I wish you a safe journey through life. Just make sure you bring a parachute with you, because it's a long way down that abyss.

Just don't try recruiting any followers here at The One Truth, because then you're going to be experiencing a few seconds of zero gravity on your way out the door. Possibly even some time dilation if we kick you out hard enough.



Thou hast been warned. :wiz:



:watch:

There is nothing wrong with any of my explanations or concepts that I present, they are completely legitimate.

Chris
16th October 2019, 14:28
Well, this thread has given me a massive headache, that just refuses to go away since about yesterday evening.

But, if I may respectfully chime in, the idea of "the soulless ones" is not exactly a new or novel concept. In popular culture, zombies, vampires and demons are usually referred to as soulless. I think that psychopaths are good candidates for soulless beings among humans, since they lack empathy, the capacity for love or any other normal human emotion.

The Bhagavad Gita and Bhagavata Purana refer to the end times (the end of the Kali Yuga) as a period when the vast majority of humanity becomes demonic, which could be interpreted as soulless.

There is of course the difficulty of how we define the soul in relation to the spirit and the body. My own interpretation is that the soul is that divine spark, which is in essence a smaller version of God, otherwise referred to as the Self (Atman) in translations of the Upanishads for instance. Are there beings in the universe that lack a soul, in other words a Divine Self? I think it is at least possible and is something promoted by David Icke for instance in relation to Illuminati Bloodlines and Hybrid humans. But, there are countless examples of it in Movies, Tv Shows and Novels, especially those dealing with demons and vampires. Vampires are a metaphor for soulless humans, basically.

It is important to distinguish here between soul and spirit, because spirits can be soulless according to this dichotomy. A spirit is in essence a subtle physical body, made of a finer substance than ordinary matter, but still resembling a physical form. This is why the bible would refer to various ghouls, demons etc as unclean spirits.

PurpleLama
16th October 2019, 14:30
I have it from one video, that if one is a source player, then in their life they will not experience any acute deptivation, violence, or any other form of suffering. She goes further to state if you see someone who is experiencing acute suffering, for example a starving child, then you should not feel any sort of empathy or compassion for the suffering of that child, because that is how the soulless ones take the energy of source players.

I have actually watched several videos, and have encountered similar problems in her logic, but we can start with this one. Logically, it should be said, according to the words of Judy herself, a source player should train themselves to be psychopaths, lacking any emotion whatsoever toward any but source players, who by her own definition are the very ones who need the least in empathy, compassion, pity, etc.

It is also important to note that source players number only 1 in 5000, according to Judy.

Aragorn
16th October 2019, 14:33
There is nothing wrong with any of my explanations or concepts that I present, they are completely legitimate.

No, they're not, and the truly worrisome part about it is that you just can't see why not. You're like a Flat-Earther who just won't accept the laws of physics because they contradict his belief system. All you can accept for true is what your guru told you would be true, and nothing she does or says would ever make you question her.

You're not the first, and sadly enough you also won't be the last. Here's a hint: when everyone else tells you you're wrong, then it is time for you to look into the mirror and honestly ask yourself whether they could be right and you could be wrong. If you cannot bring yourself to do that, then you're not even a truth seeker, but merely somebody else's parrot.

Think about that for a moment.

PurpleLama
16th October 2019, 14:39
Any system that requires other humans to be dehumanized in order for those within said system to be seen as more special, powerful, or more human in some way is itself an illegitimate system.





Soulless ones come in all different forms, nowhere did I say that source players were "better" or "worse" compared to soulless ones.

It is you that sees the soulless ones concept as dehumanizing, not me. They are still human but they are not more then human, unlike the souls, who are more then just human.

You want to hold this as if it is absolute truth, I see your statement as an extension of the ideology that all humans are equal.

I like how you actually prove my point, here.

Elen
16th October 2019, 14:42
It's become ridiculous to interact in this discussion on who has soul and who hasn't. I do agree with Aragorn though...everything has life and all humans have soul. The soul can however be "blocked" from showing itself and therefore it can look as if it isn't present.

I do wonder though, why it is so important to force the agenda forward? Surely with so much resistance, there should be a bell ringing to say...maybe it is not the time and place for this now?

Is this the right time and place? Sourcetruth?

sourcetruth
16th October 2019, 14:56
Well, this thread has given me a massive headache, that just refuses to go away since about yesterday evening.

But, if I may respectfully chime in, the idea of "the soulless ones" is not exactly a new or novel concept. In popular culture, zombies, vampires and demons are usually referred to as soulless. I think that psychopaths are good candidates for soulless beings among humans, since they lack empathy, the capacity for love or any other normal human emotion.

The Bhagavad Gita and Bhagavata Purana refer to the end times (the end of the Kali Yuga) as a period when the vast majority of humanity becomes demonic, which could be interpreted as soulless.

There is of course the difficulty of how we define the soul in relation to the spirit and the body. My own interpretation is that the soul is that divine spark, which is in essence a smaller version of God, otherwise referred to as the Self (Atman) in translations of the Upanishads for instance. Are there beings in the universe that lack a soul, in other words a Divine Self? I think it is at least possible and is something promoted by David Icke for instance in relation to Illuminati Bloodlines and Hybrid humans. But, there are countless examples of it in Movies, Tv Shows and Novels, especially those dealing with demons and vampires. Vampires are a metaphor for soulless humans, basically.

It is important to distinguish here between soul and spirit, because spirits can be soulless according to this dichotomy. A spirit is in essence a subtle physical body, made of a finer substance than ordinary matter, but still resembling a physical form. This is why the bible would refer to various ghouls, demons etc as unclean spirits.

It is not a new concept, it has been described by others before. I have seen it described on certain websites, it is sometimes refered to with the concept of "organic portals".

What are called spirits are not the same as souls, they are only energy that is condensed into a non physical entity.

The soul is more then just the animator of a body, the soul is only the receiver of the information. However, the soulless ones can act like animators, but soulless ones could also be animated without having a soul present in them. That is what I am describing, that the soul does not have to be present in order for a human body to be animated. Think of entity possession, what is happening when an entity possesses a person? It is acting through that person, but this entity is not a soul.

sourcetruth
16th October 2019, 15:01
I like how you actually prove my point, here.

It is not that soulless ones are less then human, it is that source players are more then the human avatar bodies that they inhabit.

PurpleLama
16th October 2019, 15:08
It is not that soulless ones are less then human, it is that source players are more then the human avatar bodies that they inhabit.

You are really starting to seem disingenuous at this point. Source players are more while the rest of the humans are less. That is literally the point I was making.

sourcetruth
16th October 2019, 15:10
No, they're not, and the truly worrisome part about it is that you just can't see why not. You're like a Flat-Earther who just won't accept the laws of physics because they contradict his belief system. All you can accept for true is what your guru told you would be true, and nothing she does or says would ever make you question her.

You're not the first, and sadly enough you also won't be the last. Here's a hint: when everyone else tells you you're wrong, then it is time for you to look into the mirror and honestly ask yourself whether they could be right and you could be wrong. If you cannot bring yourself to do that, then you're not even a truth seeker, but merely somebody else's parrot.

Think about that for a moment.

I have had experience that validates what she says about soulless ones.

Look at the following quote by me, it deacribes my experience:



I will share with this thread an experience that leads me to decide that this information must be true.

I gave up meat and animal products, and orgasms a year ago. 3-4 months afer doing so I have noticed a strange phenomena. When I looked at the eyes of the "soulless" people, I could see a very strange effect, it resembled flashing in a way. It is a very real experience, amd I still can experience it ever since then. There is no other explanation for this phenomena that I experience other than that what Quartz Crystal stated was true about soulless ones, meat eating, orgasms, and energy.

The only explanation for this phenomena is that energy is being used to power the soulless ones, just like Quartz Crystal said

My underatanding of these concepts does not only come from Quartz Crystal, they also come from my own understanding of things that I have come to understand.

Aragorn
16th October 2019, 15:10
But, if I may respectfully chime in, the idea of "the soulless ones" is not exactly a new or novel concept. In popular culture, zombies, vampires and demons are usually referred to as soulless. I think that psychopaths are good candidates for soulless beings among humans, since they lack empathy, the capacity for love or any other normal human emotion.

What you are referring to are the tulpas (https://en.wikipediahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulpa.org/wiki/Tulpa), poltergeists and other "thought forms", like Paracelsus' homunculus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homunculus) and the Jewish golem (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golem). They are short-lived externalized manifestations, powered by the conscious or subconscious minds of living human beings ─ a poltergeist not having a physical form and primarily being the result of unconscious psychokinesis in teenage girls.

The 1956 movie Forbidden Planet (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbidden_Planet) portrayed this phenomenon as the id (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Id,_ego_and_super-ego#Id) ─ the mindless primitive, as described by Sigmund Freud ─ of a human scientist, artificially externalized and fed by a gigantic machine, built by an extinct alien civilization that created the machine so as to allow them to create anything they wished for through mere thought.

What the aliens however didn't realize was that the machine also powered their collective id, leading to their complete annihilation overnight. And thousands of years later, the human scientist, stranded on the alien planet, comes across the machine and attempts to analyze it, unaware of the fact that the machine is doing the same thing to him, creating a murderous monster that no one can see or kill, and that is now one by one picking off the crew members of a ship sent from Earth to rescue the stranded scientist and his daughter.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UrG3Fx69Ws

sourcetruth
16th October 2019, 15:14
You are really starting to seem disingenuous at this point. Source players are more while the rest of the humans are less. That is literally the point I was making.

I don't describe it that way, the way that I see it is that source players have the potential to become more then the soulless ones, but as long as they are in the lower freauencies then they are just like the soulless ones.

Aragorn
16th October 2019, 15:15
I have had experience that validates what she says about soulless ones.

Look at the following quote by me, it deacribes my experience:


I will share with this thread an experience that leads me to decide that this information must be true.

I gave up meat and animal products, and orgasms a year ago. 3-4 months afer doing so I have noticed a strange phenomena. When I looked at the eyes of the "soulless" people, I could see a very strange effect, it resembled flashing in a way. It is a very real experience, amd I still can experience it ever since then. There is no other explanation for this phenomena that I experience other than that what Quartz Crystal stated was true about soulless ones, meat eating, orgasms, and energy.

The only explanation for this phenomena is that energy is being used to power the soulless ones, just like Quartz Crystal said

Do you know what happens to your body if you, as a biological omnivore, stop consuming meat and disallow yourself to have orgasms for over a year? You start hallucinating. And that is what you were experiencing.

PurpleLama
16th October 2019, 15:16
I don't describe it that way, the way that I see it is that source players have the potential to become more then the soulless ones, but as long as they are in the lower freauencies then they are just like the soulless ones.

:flag: I give up.

sourcetruth
16th October 2019, 15:18
It's become ridiculous to interact in this discussion on who has soul and who hasn't. I do agree with Aragorn though...everything has life and all humans have soul. The soul can however be "blocked" from showing itself and therefore it can look as if it isn't present.

I do wonder though, why it is so important to force the agenda forward? Surely with so much resistance, there should be a bell ringing to say...maybe it is not the time and place for this now?

Is this the right time and place? Sourcetruth?

Is it not the right time and place?

Aragorn
16th October 2019, 15:21
:flag: I give up.

Me too. There are none so blind as those who refuse to see, and none so deaf as those who refuse to hear.

I recommend we go and find a pub that's still open, and wash away the bitter taste of this discussion by way of a few cold ones. ;) :beer:

sourcetruth
16th October 2019, 15:26
Do you know what happens to your body if you, as a biological omnivore, stop consuming meat and disallow yourself to have orgasms for over a year? You start hallucinating. And that is what you were experiencing.

It is a legitimate experience, why would I see it in their eyes? If I were hallucinating then why would it only be an effect in their eyes and not other hallucinations? I don't have any other "hallucinations" besides this.


:flag: I give up.

I am just trying to explain to you how I would describe this.


Me too. There are none so blind as those who refuse to see, and none so deaf as those who refuse to hear.

I recommend we go and find a pub that's still open, and wash away the bitter taste of this discussion by way of a few cold ones. ;) :beer:

What are you trying to get me to see, do you want me to see that everyone has a soul? Because I don't ser that.

Do you want me to see that meat eating and orgasms are good? Because they are not good for you in any way.

Aragorn
16th October 2019, 15:49
Do you know what happens to your body if you, as a biological omnivore, stop consuming meat and disallow yourself to have orgasms for over a year? You start hallucinating. And that is what you were experiencing.It is a legitimate experience, why would I see it in their eyes? If I were hallucinating then why would it only be an effect in their eyes and not other hallucinations? I don't have any other "hallucinations" besides this.

I am just trying to explain to you how I would describe this.

Here, kid, educate yourself. Click this: → Hallucination (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucination) ←


What are you trying to get me to see, do you want me to see that everyone has a soul? Because I don't ser that.

Do you want me to see that meat eating and orgasms are good? Because they are not good for you in any way.

Oh really? Last time I checked, those were perfectly natural things to do for biological beings. You are rejecting all that is natural, because your guru told you to. :rolleyes:

And what you don't realize is that, along with the hallucinations, your self-deprivation is also affecting your ability to think rationally and critically. The unnatural vow of chastity and the vegetarian/vegan diet that your guru tells you to abide by are instrumental tools in your brainwashing. All cults use these techniques, because it breaks the spirit of their followers and makes them into obedient drones. The Chinese and the Soviets even used to use that as a means of torture.

Well, good luck. Like PurpleLama, I give up, and I've really had it with this discussion. I've got other things to dedicate my time and energy on. Seriously, I do.

sourcetruth
16th October 2019, 15:59
Here, kid, educate yourself. Click this: → Hallucination (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucination) ←



Oh really? Last time I checked, those were perfectly natural things to do for biological beings. You are rejecting all that is natural, because your guru told you to. :rolleyes:

And what you don't realize is that, along with the hallucinations, your self-deprivation is also affecting your ability to think rationally and critically. The unnatural vow of chastity and the vegetarian/vegan diet that your guru tells you to abide by are instrumental tools in your brainwashing. All cults use these techniques, because it breaks the spirit of their followers and makes them into obedient drones. The Chinese and the Soviets even used to use that as a means of torture.

Well, good luck. Like PurpleLama, I give up, and I've really had it with this discussion. I've got other things to dedicate my time and energy on. Seriously, I do.

Would you also reject all other spiritual experiences as hallucinations, or do you only want to reject mine?

Those are "natural" for "biological beings", but source players are more then the ,biological beings" that they are plugged into.
It would be "natural" only for soulless ones who are part of this matrix. Source players are not in their "natural" state when they are doing these things, their natural state is neutrality.

The concepts of abstaining from meat and orgasm are not exclusive to cults, there is nothing wrong with abstaining from these things.

It is about having the ablility to have self control, this is actually the opposite of brainwashing, bevause we are brainwashed to accept these things by the matrix and by society.

Aragorn
16th October 2019, 16:20
Would you also reject all other spiritual experiences as hallucinations, or do you only want to reject mine?

Only the nonsensical ones, which includes yours.


Those are "natural" for "biological beings", but source players are more then the ,biological beings" that they are plugged into.
It would be "natural" only for soulless ones who are part of this matrix. Source players are not in their "natural" state when they are doing these things, their natural state is neutrality.

The concepts of abstaining from meat and orgasm are not exclusive to cults, there is nothing wrong with abstaining from these things.

It is about having the ablility to have self control, this is actually the opposite of brainwashing, bevause we are brainwashed to accept these things by the matrix and by society.

You don't even realize that you are falling back onto your own delusions as support for your delusions. Circular logic. You exhibit all the textbook signs of brainwashing. I've seen it all before. The only thing that's different every time is the narrative. Like I said, you're not the first, and you won't be the last either.

You need some serious deprogramming, but I'm not volunteering ─ nor am I qualified for that role. You need professional help. Please seek it. There are people and centers specialized in deprogramming cult members.

And please stop trying to keep me into this discussion by quoting me. It is incredibly draining ─ and obviously, a complete waste of my time ─ to try and talk sense into you. Or to paraphrase something one of our other members once said on another thread, I'd be making greater strides on a runabout pulled by a tortoise.

sourcetruth
16th October 2019, 16:30
Only the nonsensical ones, which includes yours.



You don't even realize that you are falling back onto your own delusions as support for your delusions. Circular logic. You exhibit all the textbook signs of brainwashing. I've seen it all before. The only thing that's different every time is the narrative. Like I said, you're not the first, and you won't be the last either.

You need some serious deprogramming, but I'm not volunteering ─ nor am I qualified for that role. You need professional help. Please seek it. There are people and centers specialized in deprogramming cult members.

And please stop trying to keep me into this discussion by quoting me. It is incredibly draining ─ and obviously, a complete waste of my time ─ to try and talk sense into you. Or to paraphrase something one of our other members once said on another thread, I'd be making greater strides on a runabout pulled by a tortoise.

On what basis or standard do you dismiss my experience as being one of the "nonsensical ones"? It seem to me that your only basis for rejecting my experience as compared to others is that my experience does not fit with your own beliefs.

You have no real basis for rejection my explanations, other then calling me brainwashed.

It is your choice if you want to reply to me or not, if you don't want to reply to me then you don't have to, but you feel a need to defend yourself, which is why you can't help but respond.

Aragorn
16th October 2019, 16:42
On what basis or standard do you dismiss my experience as being one of the "nonsensical ones"? It seem to me that your only basis for rejecting my experience as compared to others is that my experience does not fit with your own beliefs.

Please go back to the beginning of this thread and reread every argument everyone here has been making against your beliefs.


You have no real basis for rejection my explanations, other then calling me brainwashed.

It is your choice if you want to reply to me or not, if you don't want to reply to me then you don't have to, but you feel a need to defend yourself, which is why you can't help but respond.

In post #134 (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/13209-Quartz-Crystal-Youtube-Channel-This-is-a-matrix-experience-powered-by-source?p=842015591&viewfull=1#post842015591), I wrote...:




And please stop trying to keep me into this discussion by quoting me. It is incredibly draining ─ and obviously, a complete waste of my time ─ to try and talk sense into you. Or to paraphrase something one of our other members once said on another thread, I'd be making greater strides on a runabout pulled by a tortoise.



"A fanatic is one who cannot change his mind and will not change the subject."

(Winston Churchill)


I rest my case.

sourcetruth
16th October 2019, 16:59
I will not quote Aragorn unless they respond again.

But I will say that I do not see any basis for rejecting my experience while also accepting the spiritual experiences of others.

There should not be a double standard here.

Fred Steeves
16th October 2019, 17:30
I'd be making greater strides on a runabout pulled by a tortoise.
ROFL, that sounds like an old Rob Halford special if I ever heard one!

Aragorn
16th October 2019, 18:00
I will not quote Aragorn unless they respond again.

"They"? "He" will do just fine, thank you very much.


But I will say that I do not see any basis for rejecting my experience while also accepting the spiritual experiences of others.

There should not be a double standard here.

Of course you don't see any basis for rejecting your belief system, because it's a one-way street, and that has been clear for quite a few pages already by now. It's either your way or the highway, at every forum where you've been posting this stuff, and you are neither open to the slightest bit of criticism, nor to other people's (far more realistic) experiences, unless you can twist and turn said experiences to have them match the framework of your cultish belief system, which by its very concept rejects anything that doesn't agree with it. I told you I've seen it before, and I'm not kidding.

Either way, and in other words, you are leaving absolutely no room for discussion, you are intransigent, and you are forcing your beliefs upon others. Therefore, I find it ironic that you should be the one to throw the "double standards" argument out there.

<taking a deep breath>

Okay, here's what I'll do. I'm not going to allow you to push your belief system onto others, nor am I going to allow you to use this forum as a foraging ground for recruiting prospective cult members. I therefore see no other option but to lock this thread down.

Any member ─ yourself not included, because you are biased ─ who feels that there might be merit in reopening this thread, may contact the staff with their thoughts on the matter, and then the staff will deliberate while taking these members' thoughts into consideration. But right now, this thread is going nowhere, and it's getting there fast. And thus, this here is the last post on this thread, unless (or until) one of the staff members reopens it.






I'd be making greater strides on a runabout pulled by a tortoise.

ROFL, that sounds like an old Rob Halford special if I ever heard one!

Actually, I was paraphrasing one of our female members, and it was something she said a very long time ago, but which stuck in my mind because of its humor factor. ;)





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