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The One
3rd November 2013, 11:02
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During his diplomatic documents startle the world, the whistleblower Snowden remained calm and friendly when he turned to the public. Now he adds a new letter to his reprint requests - and shares violently against Britain and the United States.

"To whom it may concern," the letter Edward Snowden on Thursday the Bundestag Hans-Christian Stroebele sent along begins. In German as: "To whom it may concern". What follows are some bureaucratic-looking statements, which Snowden indicate that he would like to testify in Germany or another affected by the NSA Ausspähungen country. Snowden met once again the debate on whether it was not possible to grant him asylum. The merits of this man are so great, now more and more politicians argue that Germany should protect him - even if the Verunstimmungen with the U.S. were calling out.

On Friday, the same day on which the letter Ströbele presented in Berlin, designed by Snowden: He wrote a second letter, which has now been printed in the "mirror". In it, he is clearly a lot.

Snowden shares against U.S. and UK from

First, he speaks to the growing power of the secret: They tried to avoid that they are controlled by the public. "The existence of spy technology can not determine the policy," warns Snowden. He wants the scandal not to be understood as a purely American and British problem, but make it clear that "mass surveillance is a global problem needs global solutions."

Then he turns against Britain and the U.S., but call directly without them. "In the beginning, some governments who felt embarrassed by the revelations of mass surveillance systems, initiated an unprecedented campaign of persecution should suppress this debate to intimidate journalists and criminalized publishing the truth. "

Especially in Britain, whose gigantic eavesdropping program "Temopra" was uncovered by Snowden, there are threats against journalists and the media. The authorities maintained tight about the life companion of the Snowden confidant Glenn Greenwald and searched him. The Prime Minister David Cameron threatened the "Guardian" in the event that these additional secrets published. "If they put no social responsibility in the day, it is very difficult for the government to restrain himself and not to act" In the U.S., intelligence officials and politicians outbid with pithy sayings against Snowden.

"Those who pronounce the truth, commits no crime"

Defends himself: "Such programs are not only a threat to privacy, they also threaten the freedom and open societies." And: "We have a moral duty to ensure that our laws and values ​​limit monitoring programs and protect human rights." That is the argument, with the Ströbele also argues for protection of Snowden. Although perhaps the've committed a crime, but his motive was an honorable, because it contributes to the education of more serious offenses.

Snowden continues: "Instead of doing harm, the benefits of this new public knowledge is now clear for the company, because now reforms in politics, in the supervision and laws are proposed." His conclusion: ". Citizens have to fight against the fact that information on matters of vital public importance be suppressed Who pronounce the truth, commits no crime."

http://www.n-tv.de/politik/Edward-Snowden-Die-Buerger-muessen-dagegen-kaempfen-article11656666.html

Spiral
3rd November 2013, 11:44
The Truth is now terrorism


http://youtu.be/nHY3r3v3fIE

Published on 2 Nov 2013

British authorities say the partner of a newspaper reporter who's been publishing Edward Snowden's leaks, was involved in espionage and terrorism. The accusation was made in a Scotland Yard document which is being used as evidence in a London court hearing. A hearing for David Miranda's legal challenge is scheduled for next week. Jim Killock, executive director of the Open Rights Group, joins RT to talk about how it may play out.

The One
3rd November 2013, 11:46
The Truth is now terrorism

Correct brother and we are the terrorist

BabaRa
3rd November 2013, 22:26
I love that some our brave enough to push back.

Sparky
3rd November 2013, 22:47
Jim Killock, executive director of the Open Rights Group, joins RT to talk about how it may play out.

His favorable comments about the US and Washington Post can not mention the pressure exerted on the UK to take action.

Covert blackmail forces gubbermint puppets in the same bed while providing "plausible deny-ability".

Spiral
4th November 2013, 08:37
His favorable comments about the US and Washington Post can not mention the pressure exerted on the UK to take action.

Covert blackmail forces gubbermint puppets in the same bed while providing "plausible deny-ability".

I doubt the US would have had to exert any pressure at all, the people behind the scenes in the UK & US are as one on this stuff, GCHQ has as big a headache about this information coming out as the NSA has, & don't forget the biggest NSA base outside the US is in England, & purported to have "an underground city" beneath their base at Menwith Hill.

Calabash
5th November 2013, 12:16
Here is the latest from Annie Machon including info on Edward Snowdon. Probably deserves its own thread but thought it was also relevant to this one as the subject matter is the same.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7U-lv0uAbY

BabaRa
5th November 2013, 17:25
Here is the latest from Annie Machon including info on Edward Snowdon. Probably deserves its own thread but thought it was also relevant to this one as the subject matter is the same.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7U-lv0uAbY


Great Video!!! Thanks, Calabash

If you want to skip a lot of chatter about nothing, the good stuff begins around 10:00

Calabash
5th November 2013, 22:07
Thanks Barbara - yes, it's a pity about those first 10 minutes because the rest is really pretty good, but there's no way to "doctor" the video. Annie Machon is an eloquent and high profile whistleblower with her own interesting website: http://anniemachon.ch/. Her ex colleague, David Shayler, has not fared quite so well and is widely felt to have suffered a severe breakdown following the revelations about MI5in 1997 . Thank heavens for people like this - so courageous . . . .

Nice avatar btw - her pose evokes many emotions :)

Spiral
6th November 2013, 08:36
Thanks Barbara - yes, it's a pity about those first 10 minutes because the rest is really pretty good, but there's no way to "doctor" the video. Annie Machon is an eloquent and high profile whistleblower with her own interesting website: http://anniemachon.ch/. Her ex colleague, David Shayler, has not fared quite so well and is widely felt to have suffered a severe breakdown following the revelations about MI5in 1997 . Thank heavens for people like this - so courageous . . . .

Nice avatar btw - her pose evokes many emotions :)

I doubt it was a breakdown, they screwed his head in & put him back out on the street as a clear warning to others.IMHO

Calabash
6th November 2013, 11:21
Agreed, although Annie Machon appears to have escaped the same fate. Some people think that Annie is a mole/double agent even though she lives abroad. At some stage I would like to do some research on the other people mentioned in that video. Someone who wasn't mentioned but who is also a whistleblower and worked for M15 is Andrea Davidson. If her testimony was given the same publicity as Edward Snowden, it would bring the whole pack of cards tumbling down . . . .

Spiral
6th November 2013, 17:20
Agreed, although Annie Machon appears to have escaped the same fate. Some people think that Annie is a mole/double agent even though she lives abroad. At some stage I would like to do some research on the other people mentioned in that video. Someone who wasn't mentioned but who is also a whistleblower and worked for M15 is Andrea Davidson. If her testimony was given the same publicity as Edward Snowden, it would bring the whole pack of cards tumbling down . . . .

Its Davison not Davidson (if anyone wants to look her up), yes she is the important one in that embassy, not Assange, & I also have doubts about AM.

BabaRa
6th November 2013, 18:08
I doubt it was a breakdown, they screwed his head in & put him back out on the street as a clear warning to others.IMHO

Well, David did have to go on trial ( which is in itself is an anxiety producer) and then spent time in jail, and as AM mentioned it was a severe prison. Who knows what happened to him in there!

Spiral
6th November 2013, 18:43
Well, David did have to go on trial ( which is in itself is an anxiety producer) and then spent time in jail, and as AM mentioned it was a severe prison. Who knows what happened to him in there!

When you consider where the secret services are educated & how they are recruited it would be no surprise for them to take inspiration from this famous line; "Whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad" (spoken by Prometheus in Longfellow's poem The Masque of Pandora).

I think they really see themselves as gods too.

Calabash
6th November 2013, 21:58
Here's another video relevant to the theme on this thread, uploaded on 1 November:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nfA7IyL1pk
Former Secret Service agent Dan Bongino - "It's to the point where these (Obama) scandals in and of themselves would be huge, backbreaking scandals are just lost in the 'scandal fog' of this administration," he said in disbelief. "It's worse than people know; I'm not trying to scare you either."

The One
7th November 2013, 09:30
Also this its amazing what the american government try to do in the back ground

Topic: Edward Snowden’s E-Mail Provider Defied FBI Demands to Turn Over Crypto Keys

http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/threatlevel/2013/07/Edward-Snowden.jpeg

The U.S. government in July obtained a search warrant demanding that Edward Snowden’s e-mail provider, Lavabit, turn over the private SSL keys that protected all web traffic to the site, according to to newly unsealed documents.

The July 16 order came after Texas-based Lavabit refused to circumvent its own security systems to comply with earlier orders intended to trace the Internet IP address of a particular Lavabit user. The name of the target is redacted from the unsealed records, but the offenses under investigation are listed as violations of the Espionage Act, leaving little doubt that NSA whistleblower Snowden was the target.

The records in the case, which is now being argued at the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, were unsealed today by a federal judge in Alexandria, Virginia. They confirm much of what had been suspected about the conflict between the pro-privacy e-mail company and the federal government, which led to Lavabit voluntarily closing in August rather than compromise the security it promised users.

The filings show that Lavabit was served on June 28 with a so-called “pen register” order requiring it to record, and provide the government with, the connection information on one of its users every time that user logged in to check his e-mail.

In the standard language for such an order, it required Lavabit to provide all “technical assistance necessary to accomplish the installation and use of the pen/trap device”

But Lavabit founder Ladar Levison balked. The government filed a motion to compel Lavabit to comply with the order, after Lavabit told the feds that the user had “enabled Lavabit’s encryption services, and this Lavabit would not provide the requested information.”

“The representative of Lavabit indicated that Lavabit had the technical capability to decrypt the information, but that Lavabit did not want to ‘defeat [its] own system,’” the government complained.

U.S. Magistrate Judge Theresa Buchanan immediately ordered Lavabit to comply, threatening Levison with criminal contempt — which could have potentially put him in jail.

By July 9, Lavabit still hadn’t defeated its security for the government, and prosecutors asked for a summons to be served for Lavabit, and founder Ladar Levison, to be held in contempt “for its disobedience and resistance to these lawful orders.”

A week later, prosecutors upped the ante and obtained the search warrant demanding “all information necessary to decrypt communications sent to or from the Lavabit email account [redacted] including encryption keys and SSL keys.”

With the SSL keys, and a wiretap, the FBI could have decrypted all web sessions between Lavabit users and the site, though the documents indicate it was still trying only to capture metadata on one user.

Levison went to court to fight the demand on August 1, but lost. In a work-around, Levison complied the next day by turning over the private SSL keys as an 11 page printout in 4-point type. The government called the printout “illegible” and the court ordered Levison to provide a more useful electronic copy.

By August 5, Lavabit hadn’t complied, and the judge ordered that Levison would be fined $5,000 a day beginning August 6, for every day he refused to turn over the key.

On August 8, Levison shuttered Lavabit, posting an oblique message saying he’d been left with little choice in the matter.

“I have been forced to make a difficult decision: to become complicit in crimes against the American people or walk away from nearly 10 years of hard work by shutting down Lavabit,” Levison wrote at the time. “After significant soul searching, I have decided to suspend operations.”

Levison and his lawyer are both bound by a gag order preventing them from discussing the details of the case, or identifying who the government’s target is. The case is now under appeal.

More to come …http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/10/lavabit_unsealed

Calabash
7th November 2013, 11:24
Taken from The Guardian today (7th November 2013). This would never have happened without Edward Snowden imo, even though we suspected all along . . .

UK spy chiefs to face MPs over mass surveillance
Heads of MI5, MI6 and GCHQ expected to use committee hearing to condemn NSA leaks and justify scale of operations

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The three heads of the British intelligence agencies are to make an unprecedented public televised appearance in front of the intelligence and security committee of MPs where they will seek to justify the scale of their surveillance activities.

Before the 90-minute hearing on Thursday afternoon, the former head ofGCHQ Sir David Omand claimed the effectiveness of the committee itself was as much on show as the spy chiefs themselves.

The session, subject to a two-minute TV delay to avoid secrets inadvertently being broadcast, was agreed before news of mass surveillance by the UK and US was leaked by Edward Snowden, the former US National Security Agency contractor. It will feature the head ofMI6, Sir John Sawers, his MI5 counterpart, Andrew Parker, and Sir Iain Lobban, head of the secretive GCHQ.

Apart from a test of the system of parliamentary accountability, the session is likely to be a forum for the heads of the agencies to condemn the leaks, and justify the scale of their intelligence operations in the digital age.

Lobban has mounted a strong defence of his staff, saying they "spend their lives protecting the security of Britain and the safety of British citizens".

Omand accused the former Guardian journalist Glenn Greenwald and other reporters of "dodging around the issue of damage to public security".

He asserted: "As a result of the revelations we know less about the people who are trying to harm us and we are therefore less safe."

He urged journalists to to be honest about the damage. If there was such an admission, it would be possible to have a debate, he said.

"I have argued for a long time that the government should have been more open about the purpose of intelligence and the general ways in an internet age you have to go about accessing intelligence. That debate is perfectly reasonable."

He rejected as nonsense claims in the Guardian that one reason why the intelligence agencies had argued against the use of intercept evidence in court trials was because it wished to keep secret the scale of its intelligence gathering.
Omand said he was proud of the British collaboration with American intelligence agencies, saying: "We have the brains, they have the money." He added that it was an open matter of debate about howGCHQ was funded by the US.

He was sure, he said, that the committee would have had detailed briefings on the scale of GCHQ's activity, but in private.

"The ISC has now been reconstituted. It is now a proper committee of parliament. They have got new powers. They are on show this afternoon every bit as much as the three heads of agencies. They have to demonstrate they can satisfy the need for oversight and satisfy parliament that they are doing a job that in other areas of government can be done by much more open means."

Greenwald challenged the performance of the ISC, saying: "I think the system has failed to exercise meaningful accountability up to this point because there was a huge suspicionless system of mass spying that the British and American people had no idea had been built in their name. But I think that system can bring about real accountability if there is the political will."
He challenged claims that the Guardian's journalism had damaged national security, saying no evidence had yet been produced to justify these assertions.

In a speech to the defence industry, reported by the Sun, Lobban said his agents had "definitively saved the lives" of British troops abroad.

"I'm fiercely proud of GCHQ's people, past and present," he said.

In a sign of the nervous attitude, Richard Barrett, the former head of counter-terrorism at MI6, insisted the ISC session would not lead to fireworks. "This session will be one that is collaborative rather than confrontational. I don't think that the parliament in the UK thinks that the intelligence agencies have been up to no good. I think that quite rightly they believe that they've been properly regulated and following the law as it applies to them.


"I don't think we'll get a whole load of questions that are aggressively put and seeking to trip up the heads of the agencies."

The ISC has said the session will cover "the terrorist threat, regional instability and weapons proliferation, cyber security and espionage" but not ongoing operations or cases. The committee will question the chiefs on the work of the agencies, their current priorities and the threats to the UK.

BabaRa
7th November 2013, 19:55
Also this its amazing what the american government try to do in the back ground

Topic: Edward Snowden’s E-Mail Provider Defied FBI Demands to Turn Over Crypto Keys

http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/threatlevel/2013/07/Edward-Snowden.jpeg

The U.S. government in July obtained a search warrant demanding that Edward Snowden’s e-mail provider, Lavabit, turn over the private SSL keys that protected all web traffic to the site, according to to newly unsealed documents.

The July 16 order came after Texas-based Lavabit refused to circumvent its own security systems to comply with earlier orders intended to trace the Internet IP address of a particular Lavabit user. The name of the target is redacted from the unsealed records, but the offenses under investigation are listed as violations of the Espionage Act, leaving little doubt that NSA whistleblower Snowden was the target.

The records in the case, which is now being argued at the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, were unsealed today by a federal judge in Alexandria, Virginia. They confirm much of what had been suspected about the conflict between the pro-privacy e-mail company and the federal government, which led to Lavabit voluntarily closing in August rather than compromise the security it promised users. . . . . .

Levison went to court to fight the demand on August 1, but lost. In a work-around, Levison complied the next day by turning over the private SSL keys as an 11 page printout in 4-point type. The government called the printout “illegible” and the court ordered Levison to provide a more useful electronic copy.

By August 5, Lavabit hadn’t complied, and the judge ordered that Levison would be fined $5,000 a day beginning August 6, for every day he refused to turn over the key.

On August 8, Levison shuttered Lavabit, posting an oblique message saying he’d been left with little choice in the matter.

“I have been forced to make a difficult decision: to become complicit in crimes against the American people or walk away from nearly 10 years of hard work by shutting down Lavabit,” Levison wrote at the time. “After significant soul searching, I have decided to suspend operations.”

Levison and his lawyer are both bound by a gag order preventing them from discussing the details of the case, or identifying who the government’s target is. The case is now under appeal.

More to come …http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/10/lavabit_unsealed


A BIG Kudos to Lavabit and Levinson for not caving. . . as for US gov't, nothing they do surprises me anymore.

Sparky
7th November 2013, 20:40
Great Video!!! Thanks, Calabash

If you want to skip a lot of chatter about nothing, the good stuff begins around 10:00


I doubt the US would have had to exert any pressure at all, the people behind the scenes in the UK & US are as one on this stuff, GCHQ has as big a headache about this information coming out as the NSA has, & don't forget the biggest NSA base outside the US is in England, & purported to have "an underground city" beneath their base at Menwith Hill.

Thanks Spiral. I never heard of GCHQ and really appreciate Calabash finding that video and especially
the tip from BabaRa to save time to skip chatter. Very informative video connecting the dots.

Calabash
8th November 2013, 12:16
. . . I also have doubts about AM.

Apart from her remaining alive and well, Spiral, do you have any other reason/s you would care to share . . . . ?

Spiral
8th November 2013, 12:24
Apart from her remaining alive and well, Spiral, do you have any other reason/s you would care to share . . . . ?

Its a loooong time since I watched her videos, sometimes you just get a vibe that maybe things aren't quite what they seem, & I think I might have seen a picture of her with someone dodgy, but can't quite remember where, you go through so much material with this conspiracy stuff lol.

norman
8th August 2014, 02:13
Infowars has just reported that Russia has given Snowden a three-year residence permit.

BabaRa
8th August 2014, 03:36
I also saw or heard on a video that Snowden may have some info on this Ebola virus - now wouldn't that be interesting. Hope it's true.

norman
31st October 2014, 21:04
Citizenfour Official Trailer | Edward Snowden Documentary:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzPGvX-xOyA


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2797916/filmmaker-directed-new-film-edward-snowden-avoids-uk-fears-arrest-official-secrets-act.html

BabaRa
1st November 2014, 15:06
Thanks Norman, I shall look forward to seeing it.

can't purchase it here as yet, but I saved it on Netflix.