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Aianawa
12th November 2018, 18:59
Wishing to keep the Q Park https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/12260-Q-!!!!!!!-Park-Here thread alive and well for members and visitors, so those not interested in Q material but needing to understand or debate or those wishing to talk about material have somewhere to do so, here.

PurpleLama
13th November 2018, 12:53
I think the resignation of Sessions was a huge blow to Q credibility, as Q oft repeated Trust Sessions.

Fred Steeves
13th November 2018, 15:12
Nah, those of faith in general have the extraordinary ability of performing amazing feats of mental gymnastics in order to keep their love affair with said narrative alive and well. It could be construed as this simply being yet another demonstration of 5D chess mastery by the bad orange man, with the focus on Sessions being a much needed misdirect.

Trust Whitaker, he's the surprise wild card the cabal never saw coming... :p

turiya
13th November 2018, 15:33
Trust the Plan.

I think the resignation of Sessions was a huge blow to Q credibility, as Q oft repeated Trust Sessions.

Yes, Q has also said, "Trust the plan."

Notice that Sessions' resignation letter does not have a date. This may very well mean that the letter had been prepared well in advance of his actual resignation taking place.
Jeff Sessions has fulfilled his role.

Time to move into another phase of 'The Plan'.


https://pcdn.columbian.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Sessions-resignation-letter-pdf-791x1024.jpg

Q has also made it clear that 'dis-information' is necessary. They are not going to be telling their enemies what will be taking place.

https://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/GENRL_TWEETS/Q_ANON/381.png

The 4chan & 8chan boards have been under constant attack for some time, now.
The minions of the Deep State are also on the 4/8chan boards viewing what is being posted.
'Deception' is a tool of warfare described in Sun Tzu's book, The Art of War (https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/3200649-s-nz-b-ngf).

Sun Tzu:


“All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when we are able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must appear inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near.” ― Sun Tzu, The Art of War (https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/3200649-s-nz-b-ngf)

“Engage people with what they expect; it is what they are able to discern and confirms their projections. It settles them into predictable patterns of response, occupying their minds while you wait for the extraordinary moment — that which they cannot anticipate.” ― Sun Tzu, The Art of War (https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/3200649-s-nz-b-ngf)

As Trump & the patriots in office are up against the Deep State.
Q reminds us that this is a war.

Q Post 2448:

We are at war.


http://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/GENRL_TWEETS/Q_ANON/2448.png (https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/3783665.html#3783761)

Q told us about a ”Stealth Bomber” (Q Post 2381, 2397)

Q Post 2381...

How do you REMOVE installed BLOCKADE?
DECLAS—DECLAS—DECLAS
How do you navigate around installed corrupt [FBI][DOJ]?
USE A STEALTH BOMBER
Q


http://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/GENRL_TWEETS/Q_ANON/2381.png (https://8ch.net/patriotsfight/res/62.html#373)

Q Post 2397...

How do you REMOVE installed BLOCKADE?
DECLAS—DECLAS—DECLAS
How do you navigate around installed corrupt [FBI][DOJ]?
USE A STEALTH BOMBER
———————–
VOTE! VOTE! VOTE!
Q


http://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/GENRL_TWEETS/Q_ANON/2397.png (https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/3714778.html#3715238)

Many believed that Jeff Sessions was that 'Stealth Bomber', working behind the scenes - undetected.
As it turns out, it appears that Matt Whitaker is more likely to be that 'Stealth Bomber' that was referenced in the Q posts.


https://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/GENRL_TWEETS/Q_ANON/praying_medic_video1.png

Jeff Sessions had done his job, has now stepped aside, so that perhaps Matt Whitaker can do the 'heavy lifting'.


https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/F0hnMNotHBrLsJ_7VuFXnoIr-1s=/0x0:872x310/1200x0/filters:focal(0x0:872x310):no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/13405685/Screen_Shot_2018_11_07_at_3.38.02_PM.png

:)

turiya
13th November 2018, 22:26
Trust the Plan.... continued...

Note: Sessions 'resigned' so that [RR] would not be elevated to replace him. Sessions 'resigned' at the request of POTUS so that Trump could then select his replacement.


https://i.ytimg.com/vi/MRGdWvoaPL8/hqdefault.jpg
VIDEO
@14:34 (https://youtu.be/MRGdWvoaPL8?t=874)

Acting AG Whitaker, Mueller’s Investigation, and the Rosenstein Memo (https://www.theepochtimes.com/acting-ag-whitaker-muellers-investigation-and-the-rosenstein-memo_2711974.html)


https://m.theepochtimes.com/assets/uploads/2018/11/09/Matt-Whitaker-Rod-Rosenstein-Robert-Mueller-550x330.jpg

Attorney General Jeff Sessions resigned on Nov. 7, at President Donald Trump’s request, and was replaced on an acting basis by Matthew G. Whitaker, who had been Sessions’ chief of staff.
Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, however, remained in his current position.
Sessions technically wasn’t fired. He resigned (https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/07/politics/sessions-resignation-letter/index.html) at the president’s request in an undated letter (https://pcdn.columbian.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Sessions-resignation-letter-pdf-791x1024.jpg).
Some people have suggested that the resignation request was designed to prevent Rosenstein from succeeding Sessions, per DOJ succession processes
But there are two problems with this logic. First, Sessions didn’t resist Trump’s resignation request. More importantly, it wouldn’t matter if Sessions had done so. Per a March 31, 2017, executive order (https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/presidential-executive-order-providing-order-succession-within-department-justice/), the president retains the full authority to appoint whomever he desires as acting-attorney general within the boundaries of the Vacancy Act:

Presidential Executive Order on Providing an Order of Succession Within the Department of Justice (https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/presidential-executive-order-providing-order-succession-within-department-justice/) - signed March 31, 2017...

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the Federal Vacancies Reform Act of 1998, 5 U.S.C. 3345 et seq., it is hereby ordered that:
Section 1. Order of Succession. Subject to the provisions of section 2 of this order, the following officers, in the order listed, shall act as and perform the functions and duties of the office of Attorney General during any period in which the Attorney General, the Deputy Attorney General, the Associate Attorney General, and any officers designated by the Attorney General pursuant to 28 U.S.C. 508 to act as Attorney General, have died, resigned, or otherwise become unable to perform the functions and duties of the office of Attorney General, until such time as at least one of the officers mentioned above is able to perform the functions and duties of that office:
(a) United States Attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia;
(b) United States Attorney for the Eastern District of North Carolina; and
(c) United States Attorney for the Northern District of Texas.
Sec. 2. Exceptions. (a) No individual who is serving in an office listed in section 1 of this order in an acting capacity, by virtue of so serving, shall act as Attorney General pursuant to this order.
(b) No individual listed in section 1 shall act as Attorney General unless that individual is otherwise eligible to so serve under the Federal Vacancies Reform Act of 1998.
(c) Notwithstanding the provisions of this order, the President retains discretion, to the extent permitted by law, to depart from this order in designating an acting Attorney General.
Sec. 3.Revocation of Executive Order. Executive Order 13775 of February 9, 2017, is revoked.
Sec. 4. General Provision. This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.

5 U.S. Code § 3346 – Time limitation (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/5/3346)

(a) Except in the case of a vacancy caused by sickness, the person serving as an acting officer as described under section 3345 (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/5/3345) may serve in the office—
(1) for no longer than 210 days beginning on the date the vacancy occurs; or
(2) subject to subsection (b), once a first or second nomination for the office is submitted to the Senate, from the date of such nomination for the period that the nomination is pending in the Senate.
(b) (1) If the first nomination for the office is rejected by the Senate, withdrawn, or returned to the President by the Senate, the person may continue to serve as the acting officer for no more than 210 days after the date of such rejection, withdrawal, or return.
(2) Notwithstanding paragraph (1), if a second nomination for the office is submitted to the Senate after the rejection, withdrawal, or return of the first nomination, the person serving as the acting officer may continue to serve—
(A) until the second nomination is confirmed; or
(B) for no more than 210 days after the second nomination is rejected, withdrawn, or returned.
(c) "Notwithstanding the provisions of this order, the President retains discretion, to the extent permitted by law, to depart from this order in designating an acting Attorney General.”
Trump’s executive order was a last-minute reversal of an executive order (https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/executive-order-13762-providing-order-succession-within-the-department-justice) issued by President Barack Obama on Jan. 13, 2017, that altered the line of succession within the DOJ. Obama’s action wasn’t done in consultation with the incoming Trump administration.
The president clearly needed an attorney general who isn’t hindered by recusal issues. Rosenstein would have been an unlikely choice precisely because of his prior involvement with all things Mueller.
Source: theepochtimes.com


http://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/GENRL_TWEETS/Q_ANON/2461.png (https://www.thedailybeast.com/qanon-referenced-by-man-arrested-for-threatening-to-kill-trump)

X22REPORT.COM (https://x22report.com/plan-worked-future-proves-past-forced-exposure-episode-1712/)

turiya
14th November 2018, 10:02
Sessions==>Whitaker | Transition to a New Phase


https://carwad.net/sites/default/files/gavel-picture-108340-7835136.jpg

Recent Praying Medic Twitter tweet...




http://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/GENRL_TWEETS/Praying_Medic/Qanon_PRAYING_MEDIC_Twitter_LOGO.png (https://twitter.com/prayingmedic/status/1061691818629201921)


57)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Drvi8VDU4AA3Iof.jpg (https://twitter.com/prayingmedic/status/1061691818629201921)

10:47 AM - 11 Nov 2018 (https://twitter.com/prayingmedic/status/1061691818629201921)



Q Post 2478...



Let The Unsealing of Indictments and Declassification of FISA(s) Begin (https://8ch.net/patriotsfight/res/440.html#452)

2478 (https://qmap.pub/read/2478)
Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 11 Nov 2018 - 12:58:18 PM

Let the unsealing begin.
Let the DEC[L]AS begin.
Let the WORLD witness the TRUTH.
We, the PEOPLE.
JUSTICE UNDER THE LAW.
Q

Aianawa
19th November 2018, 21:04
Okey dokey, feeling Jan and Feb will be great moonths, exlent even, in regards to happiness ( yes noospheric diving is still potentials felt n displayed ) and suffering release.

Due to this and a wee feeling around painful data being released asap to the general public in differing ways, Q n others will/may over power the narrative, see also a transmutation karma wise regarding past truth humanity wise, huge transmutation actualllly. Because the % happiness wise is big early next year.

Aianawa
6th December 2018, 08:49
N growing bigger, joy joy joy in 2019, now where did I put those rosey glasses lol.

Aianawa
11th December 2018, 03:47
Lets talk, lets be mindless n explore, lets be.

What do other members see in this post ?, I see concern, can Modrad shadows, he has seen many viruses in his time or does he see perfection ? >

Statement



Plenty of warnings have been issued, and all of them have been mocked away. It ends here and now.




As turiya kept on saying ad nauseam...






Quote Originally posted by turiya

All Q Posts can be found here: https://qmap.pub/
So everyone in need of their alt-right fix can now head over there. This shop has been closed. The reason why — if it really needed repeating — can be read in this post.

Aianawa
11th December 2018, 04:47
I will start by saying that indirectly I feel attacked.

For being open.

Maybe because I usually choose to ignore fear But only when I know n feel my fear can I then reflect, be, allow n change if able, otherwise I will simply acknowledge I have attacked inwardly and outwardly up till now and what may I do to redress or undress the past to address the death of not now known as yet but moding to fear known and hugged.

Chris
11th December 2018, 09:19
I will start by saying that indirectly I feel attacked.

For being open.

Maybe because I usually choose to ignore fear But only when I know n feel my fear can I then reflect, be, allow n change if able, otherwise I will simply acknowledge I have attacked inwardly and outwardly up till now and what may I do to redress or undress the past to address the death of not now known as yet but moding to fear known and hugged.

I do think it is unfair that your thread was closed down due to the bad behaviour of others. I don't follow the Q phenomenon at all and have zero interest in it, but I feel you're probably right to be annoyed by this. You should discuss this with the mods privately though.

As for the Invasion thread, I'm happy to see it go, it was pure hate-filled rhetoric as far as I'm concerned, even the title of the thread is a dead giveaway that you're going to get biased far-right information and nothing else. I applaud the mods for closing it down. I was actually on the verge of requesting that it be closed myself after seeing that attack on Kathy. The whole topic is pure poison as far as I'm concerned and apparently cannot be discussed in a civilised manner.

As someone who has been an immigrant to four different countries on two continents, I also take issue with the whole idea that moving to another country automatically makes you a bad person and a borderline criminal or even an "invader" which of course implies that the use of deadly force would be thoroughly justified against you. This very concept disgusts me to my core.

That doesn't mean that we should open up our borders and just let everyone stream in, but a measure of compassion and humane treatment should be the default position, especially when it comes to children and their families. I find this basic humanity and compassion sorely lacking in the US government's (and Hungary's) approach to what are basically desperate, highly vulnerable people fleeing a bad situation. Granted, they mostly just want to migrate for economic reasons and are often taking advantage of outdated refugee procedures, but you really can't blame them for wanting a better life for themselves.

Aianawa
11th December 2018, 09:47
The macro micro demaned it be shut down, even this forum works strongly with the energy/ies of its members known and not known, within one.

Look look look around rite now and feel the wafts n sways within, feeling ruffled n feathered n reuseable when dried, tisa fine effort but wasted BUT lol hint hint hint - image n Lennon

O communication holds energy.

Thankyou ModwizzyRad 4 Urs, tisa cure

turiya
11th December 2018, 13:09
http://bapaul.com/communities/3/004/013/607/393/images/4634761900.jpg

Aianawa,

I have tried to explain to Steven & others previously that I am not here for a battle to rage between thesis & antithesis.
No, not here to do battle with anybody, really.
Rather, here for a synthesis between the two.
That is the truth of the matter.

It should be quite easy to understand that putting out a fire with more fire just simply can not work.
It makes no sense to even try.
For a fireman it is simple common knowledge.
It is plain common sense.

If we are to really become ONE then a bridge need be constructed.
How to build a bridge?

A bridge is not built in a day.
Only piece by piece by piece...
It takes time.
It takes effort.
It takes time to understand.
It takes time to explain.
It takes time for storm clouds to dissipate.
Time for a storm to run its course.

The blue sky is always there.
It only appears not to be there when a storm of thoughts cloud One's inner sky.

When mind moves, divisions can be created.
Separation is an illusion.
No mind.... then, clearly we are ONE.
No time is needed to see that this is indeed the case.

Misunderstandings are plentifully available during stormy weather.
Understanding is more available when inner sky is accessible.
When clouds have gone on their way.
When thoughts have subsided.
We are ONE again.

In fact, we were never really separate.

So, no bridge is really needed.
There is really no distance between the two.
There are really no 'two'.

When we are ONE, Existence rejoices.
Existence rejoices regardless of the cloudy thought storms that come & go.
Connect with Existence. And feel the joy.
And, Peace be here & now. This moment.

Cheers...

Aianawa
12th December 2018, 01:18
Addiction to the storm is also celebrated n envied by the bored to busy lol.

Tisa important to Q n A n K plus Knowing astounds and also creates Mytyres to find or create crosses four.

You still being active IS a show of courage from stormies though, the shire lives n breathes with its vegans n hunters n Sun Gazers, nice

turiya
13th December 2018, 02:14
Some Holiday Cheer....

Hope this is not too premature, Aianawa

But Happy Holidays to you, Aianawa....
You may enjoy this video gift to you... It has been fortunate to have come across One as you...

Thank you for your ability to withstand through the thick & the thin of it, and understand better than most.

Cheers to you.


'All Aboard the Ginger Bread Express'


(Dec 12, 2018)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQapXlEWCTc&feature=youtu.be
Description:


Twitter Link: https://twitter.com/TrumpHotels/status/1072253507867152384

Aianawa
13th December 2018, 03:02
What a gift dear One, ta.

turiya
13th December 2018, 20:53
More Holiday Cheer...
Now, this one, someone sent to me...
I now relay it to you... Mucho thanks & Cheers




https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=145&v=6whGo0j1xVY

Aianawa
14th December 2018, 00:30
Nice , cheeky lol, I watched the latest Joe Rogan podcast and wow finally now understand what the USA political system is n works >


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Igc_1TPfK9Y

Relief to know why n how.

Q's n co will either go very quiet soon or bust butts, be interesting.

turiya
14th December 2018, 03:21
Nice , cheeky lol, I watched the latest Joe Rogan podcast and wow finally now understand what the USA political system is n works >


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Igc_1TPfK9Y

Relief to know why n how.

Q's n co will either go very quiet soon or bust butts, be interesting.

Well, I listened to over 30 minutes thus far (have to stop now), and in order to fix this corrupted system, my first thought that came - which was never mentioned, neither by Joe Rogan nor Lawrence Lessig - is to impose term limits.

In this way, you would not have these people making Washington D.C. their home base, rather than returning back to the States where their constituents are located. You wouldn't have these career politicians - like Mitch McConnell (34 years), Nancy Pelosi (25 years), Bernie Sanders (40 years) - being able to grow so fat & sassy on lucrative deals for those small percentage of big donors.

Qanon just had a recent Q & A. Two of the questions & answers involved voter fraud...

Q drop 2610


https://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/GENRL_TWEETS/Q_ANON/2610.png

Q drop 2621


https://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/GENRL_TWEETS/Q_ANON/2621.png

So, maybe cleaning up the system is well on the way... And perhaps, term limits is yet in the works...
We'll just have to put that in that 'Wait & See' file for now.

Aianawa
14th December 2018, 05:18
Most that knew the virus-corruption-truth of the world wide systems, knew change was likely impossible ( like impossible change regarding USA politics within vid above, discussed ), getting the people on board while asleep, this imo is why so many top Weres ( tptWeres ) flipped in n post 2010, plus a few prior.

N yes, when asked why I believe this, the Flipped, I felt it at the time, knowed it, plus Coffee huge buying future wise leaves trails, lol the coffee a whole new thread.

Aianawa
14th December 2018, 05:46
Heck lets talk, this post from Paul on our/the Papa site > http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100318-The-Qanon-posts-and-a-Very-Bad-Day-Scenario-for-some-elite-swamp-critters/page398

Is showing huge ground has been made recently, hence the feeling of things slowing down or butt busting a coming up soon.

Am I allowed to straight post that Paul post here mods ?

.
December 12, 2018

From https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/4273664.html#4274027

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 12/12/18 (Wed) 11:46:43 576371 (3) No.4274027

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/stat...05228498948096 ... [[ Tweat that Theresa May will resign as MP before next election. ]]
'Tis the Season of Treason!
[MAY]
[MERKEL]
[MACRON]
NEVER STOP FIGHTING!
WWG1WGA!!!
Q

From https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/4273664.html#4274261

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 12/12/18 (Wed) 11:57:44 576371 (3) No.4274261

>>4273309 ... [[ "O" on Whitehouse Xmas stocking made into "Q" ]]
Confirmed.
'O' made into 'Q'
More to find over time.
Happy Hunting!
Q

From https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/4273664.html#4274405

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 12/12/18 (Wed) 12:03:55 576371 (3) No.4274405

>>4274344 ... [[ Someone posted image of a painting, signed "QA", of Santa, with a hammer. ]]
Confirmed.
'QA' > 'QAnon' > Hammer
More to find over time.
Happy Hunting!
Q

From https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/4274442.html#4274693

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 12/12/18 (Wed) 12:20:44 fa672f (1) No.4274693

>>4274486 ... [[ Some baker has a little frog emblem on her shirt ]]
Confirmed.
PEPE THE BAKER?
Think POTUS Tweet re: PEPE
Trolling the FAKE NEWS media IS SO MUCH FUN!
Q

From https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/4276649.html#4277174

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 12/12/18 (Wed) 14:44:12 c48298 (1) No.4277174

https://saraacarter.com/clinton-whis...e-information/
Q

From https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/4278239.html#4278743

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 12/12/18 (Wed) 16:22:57 48451f (3) No.4278743

https://twitter.com/paul_serran/stat...53304165113857 ...

[[ Paul Serran‏ @paul_serran, Brazilian writer/musician, posting Twitter thread about Huber, Horowitz, GreatAwakening, based on Q's drops. ]]

Goodbye, Mr. Rosenstein.
[RR] still overseeing SC?
https://oversight.house.gov/hearing/...on-foundation/
Schedule for tomorrow.
Where is HUBER?
NOBODY IS ABOVE THE LAW.
THE WORLD IS WATCHING.
Q

From https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/4278239.html#4278875

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 12/12/18 (Wed) 16:31:38 48451f (3) No.4278875

>>4278801 ... [[ Some QAnon posted: "And THIS [referring to Q drop about HUBER just above] must be why the shills are spewing everywhere." ]]
PANIC IS GOOD!
FAKE NEWS attacks.
BLUE CHECKMARK attacks.
SHILL attacks.
BADGE OF HONOR.
OVER THE TARGET.
Q

From https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/4278239.html#4278922

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 12/12/18 (Wed) 16:33:56 48451f (3) No.4278922

>>4278743 ... [[ Also referring to same Q drop about HUBER, two above. ]]
What if there's another prosecutor (outside of DC) assigned by SESSIONS w/ the same mandate/authority?
ONE FOR THE HISTORY BOOKS?
NOT LONG NOW.
Q

From https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/4279007.html#4279257

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 12/12/18 (Wed) 16:52:23 432368 (1) No.4279257

>>4278980 ... [[ Some QAnon asks: "So HUBER is a HEADFAKE? If so, BRILLIANT Q!" ]]
FALSE.
HUBER will bring SEVERE PAIN TO DC.
SESSIONS' forced release of name [HUBER] to House created another variable.
Use Logic.
Why would we tell you the plan if in doing so also alerts those who we are actively engaged in HUNTING?
You are witnessing, first-hand, the demise of those in power [OLD GUARD].
Those who push simply have no grasp of reality.
Those who push simply do not understand warfare tactics.
Emotions cloud judgement.
Emotions cloud logic.
You have more than you know.
Securing the SENATE meant EVERYTHING.
Securing the SC meant EVERYTHING.
[Avoided Z]
We, the PEOPLE.
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
TOGETHER WE WIN!
Do you think all these attacks on 'Q' (We, the People) is simply for a person on the internet who they label as a conspiracy?
Think for yourself.
Trust yourself.
Research for yourself.
Be in control of yourself.
NEVER let someone else DRIVE YOU.
Those who try to DRIVE YOU are not your friend.
Q

From https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/4279775.html#4280189

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 12/12/18 (Wed) 17:42:08 0836cc (9) No.4280189

Q&A
Q

From https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/4279775.html#4280202

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 12/12/18 (Wed) 17:42:51 0836cc (9) No.4280202

>>4280192 ... [[ Some QAnon asks: "How do you know the future?" ]]
Control.
Q

From https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/4279775.html#4280213

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 12/12/18 (Wed) 17:43:11 0836cc (9) No.4280213

>>4280193 ... [[ Some QAnon asks: "Is Seth alive?" ]]
No.
Q

From https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/4279775.html#4280231

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 12/12/18 (Wed) 17:43:33 0836cc (9) No.4280231

>>4280212 ... [[ Some QAnon asks: "What were in the envelopes ???" ]]
Our promise to 'counter'.
Q

From https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/4279775.html#4280247

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 12/12/18 (Wed) 17:43:49 0836cc (9) No.4280247

>>4280228 ... [[ Some QAnon asks: "Is there a plan in place for AFTER trump?" ]]
Yes.
Q

From https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/4279775.html#4280331

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 12/12/18 (Wed) 17:45:22 0836cc (9) No.4280331

>>4280236 ... [[ Some QAnon asks: "Will voter fraud be exposed before January?" ]]
No.
2019 push Voter ID based on verifiable intel (fraud).
2020+ safeguarded.
Q

From https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/4279775.html#4280455

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 12/12/18 (Wed) 17:47:54 0836cc (9) No.4280455

>>4280260 ... [[ Some QAnon asks: "Is JFK Jr alive?" ]]
No.
Q

From https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/4279775.html#4280554

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 12/12/18 (Wed) 17:49:48 0836cc (9) No.4280554

>>4280453 ... [[ Some QAnon asks: "What about Snowden?" ]]
Negotiating for return.
Traitor.
Mission to harm NSA.
Q

From https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/4280570.html#4280615

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 12/12/18 (Wed) 17:52:39 089200 (6) No.4280615

>>4280575 ... [[ Some QAnon asks: "Is this a stress test?" ]]
Yes.
Added server(s)/bandwidth improved performance.
Q

From https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/4280570.html#4280699

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 12/12/18 (Wed) 17:54:13 089200 (6) No.4280699

>>4280617 ... [[ Some QAnon asks: "Q - Should we be prepping for some kind of shutdown?" ]]
No.
Reports of 'power grid' attacks (6 mo prep) should be disregarded.
While attacks do occur, we are safeguarded by a 'Black Eye'.
Q

From https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/4280570.html#4280779

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 12/12/18 (Wed) 17:55:52 089200 (6) No.4280779

>>4280688 ... [[ Some QAnon zero time delta between a couple of tweats ]]
Not intended.
Separated by 2.
Q

From https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/4280570.html#4280831

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 12/12/18 (Wed) 17:56:52 089200 (6) No.4280831

>>4280746 ... [[ Some QAnon asks: "Is internet infrastructure being safeguarded to prevent shut down?" ]]
NSA ability to overreach hosts possible.
Q

From https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/4280570.html#4280936

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 12/12/18 (Wed) 17:59:10 089200 (6) No.4280936

>>4280653 ... [[ Some QAnon asks: "Will Flotus confirm anything on Hannity tonight?" ]]
Only her beauty and love of country.
Q

From https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/4280570.html#4281049

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 12/12/18 (Wed) 18:01:15 089200 (6) No.4281049

>>4280876 ... [[ Some QAnon asks: "Q: Do we have the gold?" ]]
Yes.
Gold shall destroy FED.
Q

From https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/4281211.html#4281410

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 12/12/18 (Wed) 18:08:53 62138c (5) No.4281410

>>4281121 ... [[ Some QAnon asks: "Q is talking about GOOG's 10-Q filing with the SEC. My assumption would be for their 3/31/19 or 6/30/19 10-Q filing." ]]
Assumption correct.
10k YE.
2019 1 + 2 should be closely evaluated.
Help will be provided.
Senate to investigate 2019.
Q

From https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/4281211.html#4281478

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 12/12/18 (Wed) 18:10:18 62138c (5) No.4281478

>>4281387 ... [[ Some QAnon asks: "Will voter fraud in CA ever be brought to light?" ]]
Yes.
"Watch CA" was deliberate.
Q

From https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/4281211.html#4281568

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 12/12/18 (Wed) 18:12:00 62138c (5) No.4281568

>>4281479 ... [[ Some QAnon asks: "Is the Earth flat?" ]]
No.
Q

From https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/4281211.html#4281837

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 12/12/18 (Wed) 18:16:27 62138c (5) No.4281837

>>4281583 ... [[ Some QAnon asks: "Is Gitmo going to be used for US citizens (cabal)?" ]]
(3) detention centers being prepped.
Monitor funding.
Q

From https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/4281211.html#4282020

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 12/12/18 (Wed) 18:19:33 62138c (5) No.4282020

>>4281684 ... [[ Some QAnon asks: "Q, please tell us who or what the Wizards and Warlocks are." ]]
'Guardians' of intelligence.
Q

From https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/4281811.html#4282164

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 12/12/18 (Wed) 18:23:31 c8c896 (1) No.4282164

/End
Stress test failed.

Aianawa
14th December 2018, 06:26
Q n co is growing again apparently, spose lots of Q proofs have been researched, lots of confirms today, above also imo, praying fella agree;s also >


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgkBcQBsWYE

donk
14th December 2018, 12:13
On some of these videos like the gingerbread elevator they show a graphic of some people staring at a painting of a giant flaming Q that says “the greatest military intelligence operation”...whose military intelligence are they referring to? Ours?

donk
14th December 2018, 12:23
Now, this one, someone sent to me...
I now relay it to you... Mucho thanks & Cheers




https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=145&v=6whGo0j1xVY

Wow. That’s....something. :flag:

donk
14th December 2018, 12:34
Alright...I got 7 mins into the video you posted above A, and the dude says “since Russian collusion is a proven lie”. Can you please provide the proof? Thanks

turiya
14th December 2018, 12:40
On some of these videos like the gingerbread elevator they show a graphic of some people staring at a painting of a giant flaming Q that says “the greatest military intelligence operation”...whose military intelligence are they referring to? Ours?

Q posted this on September 20, 2018...

Q Post #2237...


https://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/GENRL_TWEETS/Q_ANON/2237.png (https://8ch.net/patriotsfight/res/62.html#269)

Yes, donk that would be U.S. Army Intelligence.
The only U.S. Intelligence agency, along with the present NSA, that can be trusted.
That's what the 'theory' suggests.

turiya
14th December 2018, 16:29
Q n co is growing again apparently, spose lots of Q proofs have been researched, lots of confirms today, above also imo, praying fella agree;s also >


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgkBcQBsWYEAlright...I got 7 mins into the video you posted above A, and the dude says “since Russian collusion is a proven lie”. Can you please provide the proof? Thanks
What you are asking for is 'proving a negative'.


Proving a negative (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy)#Proving_a_negative)


A negative claim is a colloquialism for an affirmative claim that asserts the non-existence or exclusion of something. Saying "You cannot prove a negative" has been called pseudologic (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pseudologic) because there are many proofs that substantiate negative claims in mathematics, science, and economics including Arrow's impossibility theorem. There can be multiple claims within a debate. Nevertheless, it has been said whoever makes a claim carries the burden of proof regardless of positive or negative content in the claim.

A negative claim may or may not exist as a counterpoint to a previous claim. A proof of impossibility or an evidence of absence argument are typical methods to fulfill the burden of proof for a negative claim. -- Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy)#Proving_a_negative)

Technically, whoever makes a claim, then carries the burden of proof regardless of positive or negative content in the claim.

There are plenty of proofs showing that there are Absences of evidence to the investigation that there was Russian collusion involved in the 2016 election - i.e. Plenty of 'Nothing Burgers'.


Absence of evidence (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance#Absence_of_evidence)


Absence of evidence, is the lack of – any kind of evidence – that may show, indicate, suggest, or be used to 1) infer, or 2) deduce the truthfulness of an asserted fact.


Evidence of absence (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_absence)


Evidence of absence is evidence of any kind that suggests something is missing or that it does not exist.

Per the traditional aphorism, "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence," positive evidence of this kind is distinct from a lack of evidence or ignorance[1] of that which should have been found already, had it existed.[2] In this regard Irving Copi writes:


In some circumstances it can be safely assumed that if a certain event had occurred, evidence of it could be discovered by qualified investigators. In such circumstances it is perfectly reasonable to take the absence of proof of its occurrence as positive proof of its non-occurrence. —  Copi, Introduction to Logic (1953), p. 95 -- Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_absence)

Q & POTUS vs The Deep State

Q and POTUS are playing meme warfare with the Deep State & MSM - it's propaganda arm, aka the Mockingbird Main Stream Media.

In the video, Praying Medic is simply reiterating what the 'retweeted meme' has stated. The statement is written on the graphic that was first tweeted by the entity known as The Trump Train, then later retweeted by Trump.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DtEwcW2WsAADSP2.jpg (https://twitter.com/The_Trump_Train/status/1067687857400229888)
The image of John Brennan was added later

By simply retweeting this, and having the MSM proliferate stories about Trump's retweet of this, what this does is to keep in the mind of the general public the notion that all the people within the image should be in prison for some reason.

What this does is that it serves as a way of preparing the general public for what could very well be taking place in the not too distant future.

Aianawa
14th December 2018, 21:26
Bomb scaries USA wide, is this a start only, to control the narrative, Jordan feels so, similar in france of recent too ? maybe, Jordans talk is exciting >


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73cggmTCclY

turiya
14th December 2018, 22:19
Bomb scaries USA wide, is this a start only, to control the narrative, Jordan feels so, similar in france of recent too ? maybe, Jordans talk is exciting >


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73cggmTCclY
Okay, glad you posted this Aianawa

What Jordan Sather has said about what is taking place in Utah with John Huber about child sex-trafficking lines up very well with what was my last post on your Q !!!!!!! Park Here (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/12260-Q-!!!!!!!-Park-Here?p=842004792&viewfull=1#post842004792) thread in Post #401 (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/12260-Q-!!!!!!!-Park-Here?p=842004792&viewfull=1#post842004792) said as follows:



Clinton Foundation whistleblowers
come forward, Rep Meadows says
(Dec 9, 2018)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L78a4wEgZ7I
Funny, the following Fox News report video has the same soundtrack as to the video (above). The one (below) is about Allison Mack being arrested for sex-trafficking charges... She faces up to 15-years==>life in a prison sentence if convicted...

The other video (above) is about Clinton Foundation whistleblowers coming forward giving their testimony.

The bigger question is that could these two Fox News stories be connected? And, could these actors be facing similar type of charges? Just have to put that in your 'Wait & See' folder.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws2Pv_P5qNo
It seems that Q is signaling with the recent Q Posts that have been dropped, that there is a possibility that these two stories have something in common, as indicated with the similar soundtracks.

And, if they did, then it would be fair that the public be forewarned in advance. And, should get used to this kind of potential bomb being dropped.

This could mean, in order to avoid masses of everyday people suddenly freaking out, in the event that breaking news of some prominent people that they had once garnered much respect for, if suddenly it came to light that they had their soap bubbles being suddenly popped with some very devastating news about these same 'respected' people... Then perhaps, some preparations should be made prior to all of this, if it were to indeed come out...

This is what it seems Q is suggesting with the following recent Q drops.

Q Post #2560....

https://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/GENRL_TWEETS/Q_ANON/2560.png

Q Post #2561....

https://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/GENRL_TWEETS/Q_ANON/2561.png

Q Post #2562....

https://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/GENRL_TWEETS/Q_ANON/2562.png

Ntonyo
14th December 2018, 23:06
Today I've got an eureka state of mind, it's got so clear that Q'anon is Jared Kushner himself the closest Trump's advisor. Gosh, I feel like I've got somehow enlighted by my discovery. Think about it... It is f* Jared Kushner, the way he does it - it is brilliant he is master of deception. This guy... I can't belive how amazing his plan is but it works so damn perfect...
https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1073014563187163136

turiya
14th December 2018, 23:41
Today I've got an eureka state of mind, it's got so clear that Q'anon is Jared Kushner himself the closest Trump's advisor. Gosh, I feel like I've got somehow enlighted by my discovery. Think about it... It is f* Jared Kushner, the way he does it - it is brilliant he is master of deception. This guy... I can't belive how amazing his plan is but it works so damn perfect...
https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1073014563187163136

I have to blow the whistle on this one, Ntonyo...

Wikileaks Twitter account has been taken over by the Deep State quite some time ago (see the date on Q Post 1595). Qanon has alerted 'We the People' to this fact.

Qanon not only informs the general public to certain news events (circumventing the 'Fake News' narrative), but also speaks directly to the Deep State factions that come to view the material as well, because it has become quite obvious that the Deep State is also paying attention to what Qanon is posting. Attacks by DS have been ongoing for some time now.


https://i0.wp.com/www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/wikileaks-compromised-e1480291844711.jpg?fit=600%2C338

Q Post #1595....

CIA Compromised Wikileaks Site (https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/1918079.html#1918277)


https://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/GENRL_TWEETS/Q_ANON/1595.png (https://mobile.twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1011441579565953025)
Image Linked to relevant Wikileaks Twitter account tweet

8chan link:
https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/1918079.html#1918277

Whatever is coming out of the Wikileaks Twitter account is compromised (Deep State) information...


https://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/GENRL_TWEETS/Q_ANON/1595_Wikileaks_Twitter.png (https://mobile.twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1011441579565953025)

At least, that is what the Conspiracy Theory is....


https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/0fbfcdcdc79f7a91f0d928a1a5518a83?s=49&d=wavatar&r=pg

Aianawa
15th December 2018, 05:29
Was obvious imo and the larp by young ones getting out of hand, going to far > think logical <

But outside the square the fairies continue to catch 22 >


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jo7g-4clkc

turiya
15th December 2018, 11:42
Who or What is Q? ...Its been said that Q is U.S. Army Intelligence...
Q resolves a burning Conspiracy Theory question...

Its been said that Q is a U.S. Army Intelligence Operation... But, Exactly Who(?) would be running this operation? There has to be somebody that is at the top & in charge. So, Who(?) would that person be???


https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/508658303065128983/514030050379694100/Q_ARMY_Q.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqvCkQ8WoAA20eU.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqufZrZXQAEb6gY.jpg

Some say that this guy is running the Qanon Operation....


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dqvpq0SU0AERzyc.jpg

But... In all honesty, the above image is not exactly a Q, but a symbol for:


Headquarters
1st Theater Sustainment Command
U.S. Army Central.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/82/1st_Sustainment_Command_CSIB.svg/220px-1st_Sustainment_Command_CSIB.svg.png

And, in fact, during a recent Q & A session over at the 8chan board, Q had directly answered this burning question...

Q Post #2611...


JFK Jr. is Not Alive (https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/4279775.html#4280455)
https://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/GENRL_TWEETS/Q_ANON/2611.png (https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/4279775.html#4280455)

You have to admit, I had some of you going there...


https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/d59a7108fb54343a40cb645d93152427?s=49&d=wavatar&r=pg

turiya
15th December 2018, 18:15
Why is the ‘CLINTON FOUNDATION’ back in the news? -- Q
Q Post #2560....


Feds Received Whistleblower Evidence in 2017 Alleging Clinton Foundation Wrongdoing (https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/4186722.html#4186896)

https://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/GENRL_TWEETS/Q_ANON/2560.png (https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/420131-feds-received-whistleblower-evidence-in-2017-alleging-clinton-foundation)

Seems the Heat is being turned up on the Clinton Foundation...


THE WALLS ARE CLOSING IN
(Dec 13, 2018)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfEbH5dlLj8


Bill Clinton, Clinton Foundation,
Hillary Clinton, Indictments & Arrests
Arkansas Swamp Bleeds as Clintons Circle The Drain (https://www.coreysdigs.com/clinton-foundation/arkansas-swamp-bleeds-as-clintons-circle-the-drain/)

https://www.coreysdigs.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Swamp-600x375.jpg

November 24, 2018

Many have read sprinkles of press releases from the justice department regarding arrests and indictments coming out of Arkansas, but few have observed the magnitude of this swamp creature and all its tentacles. They rarely tie the individuals into the big picture in these press releases, so oftentimes, it’s a quick, “yay, another swamp creature down,” without realizing they all connect. Aside from local news outlets in Arkansas, that require paid subscriptions to read the news, the Arkansas swamp is getting little to no coverage.

Remember the plane full of documents in Little Rock? Everyone was speculating as to who/what it could be about, and hoping it had to do with the Clinton Foundation investigations. Is it possibly connected to this ongoing investigation into legislator fraud? In August 2018, Deputy Attorney General Lloyd Warford, said that investigators have at least 4 million documents in a vault and another 200 gigabytes of information they have collected from the Department of Human Services. Warford also confirmed that more lawmakers are under investigation by the state, in cooperation with the federal investigation. They have already convicted over a dozen individuals in one case alone, several of which are former or current legislators, one former senator has already begun his 18-year prison sentence, and there are a slew of other individuals listed in indictments. It is quite an extensive list below.

More at this link (https://www.coreysdigs.com/clinton-foundation/arkansas-swamp-bleeds-as-clintons-circle-the-drain/)

Aianawa
16th December 2018, 17:42
Appears all the major players at Bush's funeral, got shock messages cept Carters, and from the security people involved, what security team was on duty that day at the funeral ?.

turiya
16th December 2018, 20:40
Distribution will not Occur if Credit Markets Collapse...


Fed Will Be Blamed, Arrests Will Be Made,
Timing Is Everything: Bill Holter
(Dec 15, 2018)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlH40Mjqy9c

turiya
16th December 2018, 20:47
Appears all the major players at Bush's funeral, got shock messages cept Carters, and from the security people involved, what security team was on duty that day at the funeral ?.

Well, with POTUS & FLOTUS present, the SS would certainly be there. And, of course, Q & some of the others involved with the Military Intel Operation. As, Q apparently knows what was in those envelopes that everyone received...

Q Post # 2608...

The Envelopes at the GHWB Funeral Contained Q's Promise to Counter (https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/4279775.html#4280231)


https://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/GENRL_TWEETS/Q_ANON/2608.png (https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/4279775.html#4280231)

Hillary sees that an envelope falls out of her funeral program. And, Jimmy Carter sees that Hillary got something, then checks his own program to see if he got something also...


https://i.ytimg.com/vi/2C8kMtrq-cs/hqdefault.jpg (https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/4279775.html#4280231)

Hillary takes a look at what is in the envelope... Bill is oblivious... Jimmy Carter looks to see if he has one, too... - No, nothing there, Jimmy...


https://img.youtube.com/vi/beothhbgSm0/0.jpg

https://images1-focus-opensocial.googleusercontent.com/gadgets/proxy?container=focus&url=https://i.ytimg.com/vi/l2ub8bSAfr4/mqdefault.jpg

Hillary then, shows it to Joe Biden...


]https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRC8Taux24vlmkJL3A4rfJrC8jItojfc OLHza0LiiukE3P2N-M3

Joe Biden & wife's reaction...


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dt2xbqxVYAE0Avi.jpg

Laura Bush also reads an envelope w/ something...


https://ytimg.googleusercontent.com/vi/JxF1EfUEXbQ/mqdefault.jpg

Shows what she read to Jeb Bush... And, their reactions....(right side)


https://img.youtube.com/vi/kPM6oYEdoZQ/hqdefault.jpg

Trouble could be on the way....


https://st3.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/313185858?profile=original&width=500

Side Note: This shows that Q is not partisan...
- i.e. biased to one side of the political spectrum.
You can file that away in your 'Q Anon' Conspiracy Theory folder...


______________Late Add______________

Oh look! See who else received an envelope....



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mn1Lhdk8WPE



https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/12a3dc87de42b28aec999f25a3dfc075?s=49&d=wavatar&r=pg

Aianawa
17th December 2018, 08:38
Jebs face tells all imo.

A and B X22 > Gold ? n Massive future planning, imo Russia rainbow hats are prepped n ready, early Xmassss for ?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mk8Kzt17X8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADx8Y8XSwHU

turiya
17th December 2018, 12:44
Why #QAnon Freaks People Out....


Why #QAnon Freaks People Out . . . And Should
(Dec 16, 2018)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuOASkCofsU
Description:

The reaction to anything new today is to loathe and reject it. Dismiss it as dangerous or evil and decry its existence. Toss it into the conspiracy theory heap. Classify it as nationalist or racist or white nationalist . . . whatever you can do to reject, refuse and refute it. Millennial audiences and newer voters see the world in a way that MSM news sockpuppets can’t even conceive. So, be that way if you’d like. Dismiss the concept. At your peril. Behold, patriots, the new world.

turiya
18th December 2018, 16:52
Judicial Watch on what is going on with the Clinton Foundation Investigation.......



Tom Fitton: Leadership in Congress Wasn’t
Interested in Holding Clintons Accountable
(Dec 17, 2018)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gV56kmrPdG0
Description:


Tom Fitton notes that House Republicans were previously not interested in going after a criminal investigation into the Clinton Foundation.

Congressional Republicans are now hoping to get to the bottom of scandals involving the Clinton Foundation before Democrats take back the chamber early next year

donk
19th December 2018, 12:33
Got a kick out of this...but beyond that he really makes a lot of good points:

7JdQIe9z7IM

Chris
19th December 2018, 12:46
Got a kick out of this...but beyond that he really makes a lot of good points:

https://youtu.be/7JdQIe9z7IM

One of the issues I have with the whole Qanon and Pizzagate thing is that it discredits genuine research into the actual phenomenon of child trafficking, rape and murder. I don't know if the Clintons were involved, but the Bushes certainly were. Also, Jimmy Savile and Ted Heath in the UK. I really don't appreciate the snarky tone of this video, it is disrespectful towards the genuine victims and acts as if the Left-wing establishment were blameless in the matter. They are not. At the very least they looked the other way when they knew full well what was and still is going on. Also, human sacrifice and worhshipping dark entities as gods is not a myth, it is very real and has very real consequences.

On the other hand the idea that Trump is some sort of champion fighting for vulnerable children is laughable. Just look at his past with beauty pageant contestants and teen supermodels.

donk
19th December 2018, 12:47
Judicial Watch on what is going on with the Clinton Foundation Investigation.......



Tom Fitton: Leadership in Congress Wasn’t
Interested in Holding Clintons Accountable
(Dec 17, 2018)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gV56kmrPdG0
Description:


Tom Fitton notes that House Republicans were previously not interested in going after a criminal investigation into the Clinton Foundation.

Congressional Republicans are now hoping to get to the bottom of scandals involving the Clinton Foundation before Democrats take back the chamber early next year

Does Clinton family wrong doing somehow justify Trump family doing the same or worse to you Q-peeps?

Ivanka’s emails (or the fact she has job in White House) and Trump’s foundation (and multiple business he should have divested from when elected) are somehow meaningless but what Clinton’s continues to threaten our country? It’s beyond bizarre

Saw a funny meme today on the Book: Trump should build his wall out of Hillary’s emails, cuz no one can get over them

Sure hope the oompa-loompa in chief saves us all instead of getting frog marched out of the Oval Office like it’s looking like he should

donk
19th December 2018, 12:57
One of the issues I have with the whole Qanon and Pizzagate thing is that it discredits genuine research into the actual phenomenon of child trafficking, rape and murder. I don't know if the Clintons were involved, but the Bushes certainly were. Also, Jimmy Savile and Ted Heath in the UK. I really don't appreciate the snarky tone of this video, it is disrespectful towards the genuine victims and acts as if the Left-wing establishment were blameless in the matter. They are not. At the very least they looked the other way when they knew full well what was and still is going on. Also, human sacrifice and worhshipping dark entities as gods is not a myth, it is very real and has very real consequences.

On the other hand the idea that Trump is some sort of champion fighting for vulnerable children is laughable. Just look at his past with beauty pageant contestants and teen supermodels.


The tone/snark is the revulsion I and people like me feel...i don’t believe it discredits “real” research, if it is REAL no scorn for absolute horse sh!t can hide/distract/discredit whatever

If you watch to the end, where he quotes Trump’s feelings about Epstein...that should be a trigger for more research to most, not less.

Q-peeps can somehow look beyond that, just like non-Q folks can ignore the “real research”, but exposing the absurdity of THIS SPECIFIC NARRATIVE stands alone. And this is the level of discourse the “material” deserves IMO. It certainly isn’t far from the tone most of the “heroes” (especially trump) of the story use toward anyone questioning them

donk
19th December 2018, 13:14
Well...part of me is with you Chris, I understand how mocking the crimes does in a way legitimize the actions of those with power in the spotlight, I went through a long of phase of turning from hero-worshipping Jon Stewart to seeing him as among the worst part of the problem, perpetuating and legitimizing who I thought were the bad guys.

These days I’m of the mind that the Kodys and Colberts are positive, bringing good points to the surface in an entertaining way, stuff that would other get buried in the non stop avalanche of “information” we are constantly bombarded with.

But as far as “real” issues you are talking about like high level child trafficking, there’s NO way for any of us to get any “real” information without befriending and totally trusting victims or literally physically embedding ourselves in that dark world somehow.

The only “real” information are the words we hear/see them say and occasionally pieces of actions they do or documents they sign. It’s important to recognize the emotions they evoke and how/if they actually square with the reality we inhabit

Chris
19th December 2018, 15:20
Well...part of me is with you Chris, I understand how mocking the crimes does in a way legitimize the actions of those with power in the spotlight, I went through a long of phase of turning from hero-worshipping Jon Stewart to seeing him as among the worst part of the problem, perpetuating and legitimizing who I thought were the bad guys.

These days I’m of the mind that the Kodys and Colberts are positive, bringing good points to the surface in an entertaining way, stuff that would other get buried in the non stop avalanche of “information” we are constantly bombarded with.

But as far as “real” issues you are talking about like high level child trafficking, there’s NO way for any of us to get any “real” information without befriending and totally trusting victims or literally physically embedding ourselves in that dark world somehow.

The only “real” information are the words we hear/see them say and occasionally pieces of actions they do or documents they sign. It’s important to recognize the emotions they evoke and how/if they actually square with the reality we inhabit

Information is being suppressed. Just look at Jimmy Savile, Ted Heath, etc... cases in the UK. The media had an active role in burying stories, with a few notable exceptions. I once attended a Rally Against Child Abuse in London. David Icke was a speaker there, but there were many others. I personally spoke to people who were victims of SRA. They made documentaries about it (which were never released), there were plenty of witnesses, but all the information is being suppressed. I haven't heard a peep from the mainstream media since the Jimmy Savile thing died down. They sure got away with that one. Brexit must be a blessing for them, since nobody talks about anything else in the UK these days. Same thing with Trump, that's what people turn their attention to, instead of the really important stuff. I guess that's a deliberate distraction tactic and they must be delighted how the people have already forgotten about the armies of skeletons in the closet.

turiya
19th December 2018, 17:46
Does Clinton family wrong doing somehow justify Trump family doing the same or worse to you Q-peeps?

Ivanka’s emails (or the fact she has job in White House) and Trump’s foundation (and multiple business he should have divested from when elected) are somehow meaningless but what Clinton’s continues to threaten our country? It’s beyond bizarre

Saw a funny meme today on the Book: Trump should build his wall out of Hillary’s emails, cuz no one can get over them

Sure hope the oompa-loompa in chief saves us all instead of getting frog marched out of the Oval Office like it’s looking like he should

Hey donk, I do believe I had already addressed this previously when it was brought up - Post #180 (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/12260-Q-!!!!!!!-Park-Here?p=842003850&viewfull=1#post842003850) - on the now closed Aianawa's thread called Q !!!!!!! Park Here.

I think you may have taken a lunch break, or something or other, possibly on a sabbatical?

Anyways, since you were not privy to the first posting of this, I will provide you with the two articles that I referenced to with regards to this subject.

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The distinctions are made clear enough... https://1.gravatar.com/avatar/dc79ecfb8278591af0500efc78255fc8?s=40&d=wavatar&r=G


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Opinion
3 big distinctions between Ivanka Trump and Hillary Clinton's email conduct (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/3-big-distinctions-between-ivanka-trump-and-hillary-clintons-email-conduct)
by Tom Rogan
November 20, 2018 12:26 PM

Ivanka Trump's use of a Trump Organization personal email account to conduct White House business was ill-advised and against federal records rules. But it is utterly absurd to suggest, as many are doing, that Ivanka Trump's conduct here is similar to Hillary Clinton's use of a private email system.

First off, there is no evidence that Trump sent any classified emails over her server. The Washington Post, which broke the Trump email story, reports that Trump's team has strongly denied that she transmitted any classified information over the private system. That stands in stark contrast to then-Secretary of State Clinton's use of her private system. As my colleague Tiana Lowe notes, Clinton's claim that she transmitted no classified information was absurdly untrue. Indeed, the FBI investigation into Clinton's conduct found that of the 110 classified emails that Clinton sent, 8 were classified at the Top Secret level. (Emphasis is mine.)

Second, the Washington Post reports that less than 100 government-related emails were ever sent by Trump on her private account. Nor is there evidence that Trump deleted any government emails on her server. That stands in stark contrast to Secretary Clinton, who forensically wiped her private server of more than 30,000 emails. These deleted emails, which Clinton's legal team claims were not work related, were unrecoverable except for a number of Clinton emails that were found on Anthony Weiner's computer. And those newly found emails were found to include classified material. That's relevant because it suggests at least some of the other unrecoverable 30,000+ emails that Clinton deleted also included classified material.

That gives the lie to the Clinton legal team's claim that all of her deleted emails were personal. It's more evidence of Clinton's capricious conduct.

Third, the risks of foreign intelligence gain from Trump's email account are far lower than with Clinton. Where Clinton held a position at the top of the U.S. national security and diplomatic establishment, Trump is in a role that pertains to domestic affairs. Yes, foreign intelligence services would be interested in any Trump emails relating to personal dynamics and policy deliberations in the White House. Still, the prospective measure of their gain here would be inherently limited.

Ivanka Trump's email would likely have been targeted at least a year before Donald Trump became president: Once they saw the prospect of Donald Trump entering the Oval Office, hostile foreign intelligence services would likely have sought access to the Trump Organization's servers in a fishing expedition for valuable information. Crucially, however, Ivanka Trump would have been warned early that this effort was likely. In the context of the Clinton email scandal, it thus seems unlikely that Trump would have been so stupid as to send government emails over private servers after January 2017.

Put simply, the respective evidence and indications here are clear. Clinton's use of a private email system was capricious, damaging to national security, and on a massive scale. Trump's use of a private email system was simply arrogant and careless. That's not at all the same thing. (Emphasis is mine.)

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Alan Dershowitz: scholar of United
States constitutional law and criminal law...

Alan Dershowitz: Criticism of Ivanka Trump's private email use is 'hypocrisy on parade' (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/alan-dershowitz-criticism-of-ivanka-trumps-private-email-use-is-hypocrisy-on-parade)
by Naomi Lim
November 20, 2018 11:33 AM

Harvard Law School professor emeritus Alan Dershowitz said White House adviser and first daughter Ivanka Trump should be saved from scrutiny over her use of a private email account for government business, shooting down criticism as hypocritical "partisan bickering."

"I think it’s hypocrisy on parade," Dershowitz said during an interview Tuesday on Fox News' "America's Newsroom" program. "Each side uses whatever arguments they can to help and bolster their partisan position."

The Washington Post reported Monday that Trump used a personal Microsoft email account with an “ijkfamily.com” domain to communicate hundreds of times with fellow White House aides, Cabinet officials, and others about official government business, including policy work, in some cases violating federal records rules.

But Dershowitz shrugged off the story Tuesday as a "nonissue," saying "everybody uses private emails."

"We now have a list of probably a dozen people in public life who have used emails," Dershowitz said. "Apparently Ivanka Trump used the emails only for scheduling purposes. There was no classified material. The emails are all preserved. It's a nonissue.

It’s just partisan bickering. We should not be criminalizing the use of private emails, whether by Hillary Clinton or by Ivanka Trump, and we should put that issue behind us."

Source: Washington Examiner

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Since this is a thread (the now defunct Q !!!!!!! Park Here thread) to post Q related posts ('bread crumbs'), Dave of X22Report.com is suggesting that the reason why Ivanka & her email use is being pushed into the forefront by the Mockingbird Main Stream Media (MSM), a.k.a. the Propaganda Arm of the Deep State, is that the Deep State is focusing on this particular issue in preparation of the forthcoming DECLAS of the FISA evidence by the 'new' Acting Attorney General Matt Whitaker.

As per Q Post #2478....

https://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/GENRL_TWEETS/Q_ANON/2478.png

And, Q Post #2261...

https://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/GENRL_TWEETS/Q_ANON/2261.png

Simply 'watching' an approaching storm - the watching of it - doesn't have any bias attached to it. Only when mind gets involved, does a division, with a bias, occur. That's what mind is good at doing - creating division - dissecting, analyzing, dividing & categorizing. Divisions occur when mind gets involved. Putting the mind aside & it becomes more clear that 'We the People' are not divided, but are One. That's what meditation is all about.

The wind may blow, as with opinionated statements, allegations & with psychological projections. But, if one keeps their feet firmly planted on the ground of their own being, remaining unswayed by what others say, one will not subject themselves to being blown around and/or thrown over by what is said by others.

Like wind that blows through the branches of a tree. The trunk of the tree does not move.

Remain firmly rooted in your own convictions. And, in simply watching the approaching storm, will not be a disturbance, whatsoever. The wind may howl, it may not blow in the direction that you would like, it may even sound threatening, but it will not affect the center of one's own being.

Its good to carry an anchor around with you to keep yourself from being blown over. And, that anchor can also be called 'awareness'.

Having plenty of :Popcorn: on hand, can be helpful in enjoying the show.
Cheers...


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turiya
21st December 2018, 14:52
Q tells us D-day is approaching for corrupt people in Washington.


Qanon December 20 - D Day
(Dec 20, 2018)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54ukTn-fRgw

turiya
21st December 2018, 23:26
The Plan is Working... by Wayne Jett


THEIR PLAN HAS ALWAYS BEEN...
PURE EVIL -- Wayne Jett
(Dec 18, 2018)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djJTbrF3Rx0
Description:

This may be one of the most powerful, informative interviews ever on SGT Report. Wayne Jett is not only an accomplished author, he's a brilliant historian and Patriot. Wayne explains that the plans of the controlling "elite" are absolutely pure evil, and long ago captured US Presidents going all the way back to Wilson and Roosevelt. Jett explains that President Donald Trump is indeed in a war against this international cartel, and it's a war we must win... if humanity is to survive.

Aianawa
22nd December 2018, 07:04
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fz5fZ_7pia4

turiya
22nd December 2018, 11:17
Reason for Treason...


Anons Were Right,16 Year Plan Stopped,
Full Control, PANIC - Episode 1747b
(Dec 21, 2018)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VKHgPvNpZ4

Q Post #2640....

https://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/GENRL_TWEETS/Q_ANON/2640.png (https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/4409035.html#4409412)

Link #1:
Hillary Clinton Twitter....

http://www.puppetstringnews.com/uploads/7/2/8/4/72845613/untitled_326_orig.png (https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/1076128583419088896)

Link #2:
https://cdn.moneyshow.com/mscache/comp-logos/investorbs.jpg (https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/197-military-officers-purged-by-obama/)
Editorials
Obama's Military Coup Purges 197 Officers In Five Years (https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/197-military-officers-purged-by-obama/)
10/29/2013 <===

Defense: What the president calls "my military" is being cleansed of any officer suspected of disloyalty to or disagreement with the administration on matters of policy or force structure, leaving the compliant and fearful.

We recognize President Obama is the commander-in-chief and that throughout history presidents from Lincoln to Truman have seen fit to remove military commanders they view as inadequate or insubordinate. Turnover in the military ranks is normal, and in these times of sequestration and budget cuts the numbers are expected to tick up as force levels shrink and missions change.

Yet what has happened to our officer corps since President Obama took office is viewed in many quarters as unprecedented, baffling and even harmful to our national security posture. We have commented on some of the higher profile cases, such as Gen. Carter Ham. He was relieved as head of U.S. Africa Command after only a year and a half because he disagreed with orders not to mount a rescue mission in response to the Sept. 11, 2012, attack in Benghazi.

Rear Adm. Chuck Gaouette, commander of the John C. Stennis Carrier Strike Group, was relieved in October 2012 for disobeying orders when he sent his group on Sept. 11 to "assist and provide intelligence for" military forces ordered into action by Gen. Ham.

Other removals include the sacking of two nuclear commanders in a single week — Maj. Gen. Michael Carey, head of the 20th Air Force, responsible for the three wings that maintain control of the 450 intercontinental ballistic missiles, and Vice Adm. Tim Giardina, the No. 2 officer at U.S. Strategic Command.

From Breitbart.com's Facebook page comes a list of at least 197 officers that have been relieved of duty by President Obama for a laundry list of reasons and sometimes with no reason given. Stated grounds range from "leaving blast doors on nukes open" to "loss of confidence in command ability" to "mishandling of funds" to "inappropriate relationships" to "gambling with counterfeit chips" to "inappropriate behavior" to "low morale in troops commanded."

Nine senior commanding generals have been fired by the Obama administration this year, leading to speculation by active and retired members of the military that a purge of its commanders is under way.

Retired U.S. Army Maj. Gen. Paul Vallely, an outspoken critic of the Obama administration, notes how the White House fails to take action or investigate its own officials but finds it easy to fire military commanders "who have given their lives for their country." Vallely thinks he knows why this purge is happening.

"Obama will not purge a civilian or political appointee because they have bought into Obama's ideology," Vallely said. "The White House protects their own. That's why they stalled on the investigation into Fast and Furious, Benghazi and ObamaCare. He's intentionally weakening and gutting our military, Pentagon and reducing us as a superpower, and anyone in the ranks who disagrees or speaks out is being purged."

Another senior retired general told TheBlaze on the condition of anonymity, because he still provide services to the government and fears possible retribution, that "they're using the opportunity of the shrinkage of the military to get rid of people that don't agree with them or do not toe the party line. Remember, as (former White House chief of staff) Rahm Emanuel said, never waste a crisis."

For President Obama, the military of a once-feared superpower is an anachronistic vestige of an America whose exceptionalism and world leadership require repeated apologies. It must be gutted and fundamentally transformed into a force wearing gender-neutral headgear only useful for holding the presidential umbrella when it rains. It is to be "his" military and used only for "his" purposes.

SOURCE (https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/197-military-officers-purged-by-obama/)

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https://jayceescommentaries.files.wordpress.com/2018/02/dujukzluqaaqlv1-696x502.jpg (https://www.conservativedailynews.com/2018/02/obama-hillarys-16-year-plan-destroy-america/)


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Q Post #1306....

https://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/GENRL_TWEETS/Q_ANON/1306.png (https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/1247794.html#1248119)

Nothing can stop what is coming...


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Aianawa
22nd December 2018, 13:48
Another stage-facet to waking added to the evolving human being ?, maybe.

Her is a wee bit more .


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tU9HiNzmo8w

Aianawa
22nd December 2018, 14:21
Been two weeks, maybe the Q park thread could be seen reopened as a xmas pressy ?.

Fred Steeves
22nd December 2018, 15:51
There's already a dedicated thread for Trump devotees, a dedicated thread for Q devotees, and the two regularly intermingle. Does the beaming magnificence of this latest internet sensation run so deep and wide that it requires even more elbow room on this tiny forum?

turiya
22nd December 2018, 19:46
There's already a dedicated thread for Trump devotees, a dedicated thread for Q devotees, and the two regularly intermingle. Does the beaming magnificence of this latest internet sensation run so deep and wide that it requires even more elbow room on this tiny forum?


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The distinction is that whether the thread is Qanon based, or whether the thread is Trump based, both the threads are found within the 'Conspiracy' category of the forum. The threads that were based on Trump news & Qanon news have both been closed.

It is perfectly understood that there are a number of TOT staff & members that would cherish keeping the truth about what is going on with both Q & the Trump presidency to be kept in some dark corner of the forum.

And it is also noted that the fear of bringing the news of these out into the light may run counter to what some may like, but sometimes reality does that to those that like to live in a kind of fictitious dreamworld setting - never having to deal with the seemingly harsh reality that comes with something they would rather not face. In that regard, 'BELIEF' often times 'Trumps' REALITY (pun intended).

The decision & the choice to live as such, of course, is entirely yours (as being part of TOT Admin) to make. I would, however, point out that doing so, has The One Truth, TOT, being more obviously divided into TWO.

In calling a spade a spade... Renaming the forum may be the more appropriate thing to do in near future... ==> TTT, The Three Truths ==> Your Truth, My Truth & THE TRUTH.

Just saying... https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/cd5879dff142f1e6346a7fcb899467c2?s=64&d=wavatar&r=pg

Aianawa
22nd December 2018, 23:38
Unsure Fred but many were or some were coming here to read the Q Park thread, something somewhere between 700 n 1000 hits since being closed means it was visited and more frequently before closing, we all have indeed choices Turiya, n holding hands with Moddy or simply letting it go are options, many truths make a noosphere n one created it and one may demise it, ultimately love wins, in not many years Trump - Putin - Q n Co - and even Putrids n Weres will be a thing of the past, that reality is the highest now potential n that's tears flowed proven imo n experience.

Imo this Shire is far more important than many believe or dream, it imo is the imagine clock on the worlds kitchen wall keeping time n sling.

https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/12260-Q-!!!!!!!-Park-Here/page27

5000 TH post , nice

Fred Steeves
23rd December 2018, 01:42
There's already a dedicated thread for Trump devotees, a dedicated thread for Q devotees, and the two regularly intermingle. Does the beaming magnificence of this latest internet sensation run so deep and wide that it requires even more elbow room on this tiny forum?


Unsure Fred but many were or some were coming here to read the Q Park thread, something somewhere between 700 n 1000 hits since being closed means it was visited and more frequently before closing,...

Well Vern I can't speak to the numbers as I'm here to talk to people, not keep count of how many people/bots/crawlers/whatever are visiting threads I'm involved in.

Having said that, what you say above DOES once again confirm that what's going on here (and elsewhere) is much more about proselytizing this hot new religion, than talking to others in a normal conversation about something of deep interest.

Aianawa
23rd December 2018, 06:42
Thankyou Fred, yes many see Q as the next religion and lets go there shall we, choice ?, do we get a choice believing in Q ?, are we allowed to leave ?, can we disagree ?, Can one stop following or investigating or researching themselves ?, if we pay anything n even if it is just our time and then leave it n let it go without looking back to see fists raised ?, is there sacrifice or abuse known ?, mmmmm what else, is the source sayin they be god or the destroyer or do not research n do what your told ?, are the theys of Q n Co telling all to o kill the others ?, sure there is more.

Have said this before, Trump imo will not be even getting the chance of a second term, that's my feeling atm.

Fred Steeves
23rd December 2018, 14:31
Thankyou Fred, yes many see Q as the next religion and lets go there shall we, choice ?,

Alrighty then Vern, let's take your points and concerns one by one:


- do we get a choice believing in Q ?

Choice can be a tricky word at times. Using Christianity as an example, most adherents are there either because they fear the threat of eternal damnation; or, as is more pertinent to here and now, they want the assurance that some larger power is in charge of the chaos they see around them. I suppose that could be called making a choice, but it could also be called a compulsion to find a way to ease the worried mind.


- are we allowed to leave ?

Sure, of course, but there again the adherent's worried mind is once again left out in the cold all on it's own.


- can we disagree ?

Again, sure you can disagree, but I sure haven't seen many Q adherents disagreeing with the drops; quite to the contrary, I see incredible displays of mental gymnastics in order to make sense of many the mystery shrouded messages and unfulfilled predictions.


- Can one stop following or investigating or researching themselves ?

There again adherents are free to leave the order, but the worried mind is left back out in the cold, all alone.


- if we pay anything n even if it is just our time and then leave it n let it go without looking back to see fists raised ?

Well first off I have yet to see ANY letting go of this thing LOL, it's all pedal to the metal baby! :)

So far as raised fists are concerned, hasn't that been addressed? Adherents have a Trump thread and a Q thread all to themselves. I'm pretty much the only outsider that butts in every now and zen but it's with legitimate critiques and/or questions, not a raised fist. Aragorn was the biggest critic of all, and when is the last time he said a thing here? I know full well it aggravates the shit out of him, but he's giving you guys a wide berth to do your thing. Haven't you noticed?


- is there sacrifice or abuse known ?

No, but there's been no accusation of that either. Come on man. :)


- mmmmm what else, is the source sayin they be god or the destroyer or do not research n do what your told ?

I would say this source has themselves a mighty fine case of God Complex, and this god, his end goal, is salvation through mass arrests and military tribunals of all political enemies. The only research I see, yet again, is the mental gymnastics research done only to prove that everything about Q is 100% legitimate. And lastly Q doesn't need to tell adherents what to do, the flock falls neatly into parade formation all on their own.


- are the theys of Q n Co telling all to o kill the others ?

No, but with an *asterick* attached to that answer. With ultimate power somehow achieved, I can easily see this movement turning into a lynch mob.

Now going back to briefly re-touch on your concern about the Q thread not being readily able for public view because of it's placement in the "Conspiracy Research" section:

Do you know that for the longest time I didn't even know what section that big Q thread was in over at PA? Why would I have needed to? It was, and almost always still is, one of the current topics screen right in "New Forum Posts". As a matter of fact I had to jot over there just now to double check and sure enough, it's in the "Conspiracy" section over there too.

Have you noticed this Q thread is almost always in "New Forum Posts" here as well? In all honesty I didn't even know what section it was in here because I didn't need to, it's always right there. If people out there want to come here to see Q's latest, all they need to do is pop onto TOT's front page...

And this is pretty much the only reason I'm even in this thread again Vern, because it seems that wasn't good enough for you, you wanted to have another Q thread piled on top of the thread that was already there all the damn time! And I was like "geez, that's pushing it again".

And this is a Q trademark in alt media: it's in your face all the time, and it always wants more...

palooka's revenge
23rd December 2018, 17:45
And this is a Q trademark in alt media: it's in your face all the time, and it always wants more...

Which is why I, 100%, absolutely agree with this statement…


No, but with an *asterick* attached to that answer. With ultimate power somehow achieved, I can easily see this movement turning into a lynch mob.

when the blatantly obvious MO of one power-over agenda to check mate a competing power-over agenda is to fuck with highly charged emotions of the masses you are playing with a fire you may think you are controlling but you are highly likely dead wrong!!

Aianawa
23rd December 2018, 18:33
Very important with being ok with being wrong/incorrect/misguided plus finger pointed/targeted/sent to Coventry etc in these times, know thyself is massively helpful and even some here on forum display obvious self bias in that facet n regard, lol including myself when incorrect, just look at my thoughts upon Cory Goode being credible, stories wise, but even now millions are outside the official square due to the story telling, lies or not, it is ok to be wrong and better to remain open to being incorrect, even knowing can change once the now is left.

turiya
23rd December 2018, 21:03
- do we get a choice believing in Q ?
Choice can be a tricky word at times. Using Christianity as an example, most adherents are there either because they fear the threat of eternal damnation; or, as is more pertinent to here and now, they want the assurance that some larger power is in charge of the chaos they see around them. I suppose that could be called making a choice, but it could also be called a compulsion to find a way to ease the worried mind.

I see, Fred Steeves, that in the example you are giving, you are using an analogy of the Christian religion for your analogy. This is because your 'choice' is to draw an analogous similarity of those that are following the information that Q is providing to those that follow an established religion. In this case, it is Christianity.

There is a Yuuge problem in using this kind of analogy, that you choose to overlook. Religions are essentially driven by faith, a belief in God. A faith that God exists. And, faith, and a belief, requires no proof that a God exists. Just a belief that a God exists is enough. That is enough for a so-called 'established religion'.

On the other hand, Q requires no faith, no belief in God, or whether or not God exists. In fact, one needs no faith, no belief, that even Q exists. The Q drops are proof enough. The Q drops alone are enough. As, several drops have been quite correct on a number of occasions.

These drops are called 'Q proofs'. There is no need to 'believe' in Q. There is no need to have 'faith' in Q. Just seeing that the 'Q posts' have been correct on a number of occasions is proof enough. No faith, no belief is needed. The Q Proofs are enough. Q posts keep coming true in the media. The media is showing that the Q Posts are quite true, showing that the information is in contention with the information that the Main Stream Media is putting forth.

So, I offer another analogy. One that fits better than the example that you have provided. And that pertains to that of an information / news platform. And the information that is put forth within Q drops, known as 'bread crumbs' contrasting with that which is put forth by the Main Stream 'Fake News' Mockingbird Media, also know as MSM. Part of Q's mission is to provide valid information that counters the often false information of the mainstream media.

The Main Stream Media (MSM) requires no faith, requires no belief in God for people to follow what the corporate Main Stream Media puts out & sells as news.

You have chosen to use Christianity as the example that you provide. Fair enough. In my example, I choose to use the entity known as CNN - a MSM corporate news outlet, for the analogy that I provide.

When someone chooses to 'believe' in what CNN provides to their audience - say, information that comes from an 'anonymous source' - does one do so out of fear? - No. Far from it. Does CNN provide information that induces fear in its audience? Most certainly! Something that Q has not ever done - creating fear in people that read the Q posts. Nope.

Q may have created fear within the Deep State criminal cabal - Oh yeah! But, not in the general public-at-large as has the MSM done so.

Regarding sources of information - news information - people pick & choose who to follow through trusting the news source. And trust only comes after a proven track record of showing trustworthy information. It comes over a time period. That is built up over a time period. After this is established, only then do people begin to habitualize themselves into believing what is told to them as being factual information. This has been the case with the MSM corporate news outlet such as CNN. They have an established following of habituated viewers, many of which depend on a daily fix in order to feel comfortable going on with their lives on a daily basis.

In my experience of going to a local gym to do a daily physical workout, I have noticed that the television monitors are continually tuned in on CNN for the people to watch as they do their various workout exercises. And just to see what would happen with folks there, I tried to change the channel to another corporate news station. And, to my surprise, people immediately got very angry. They were quite disturbed about having their favorite news source removed from their view.

You want to talk about a religious cult-like following? Well, there ya go. CNN has a cult-like following, if you choose to look at it in this way. In fact, cult-like followings can be found pretty much everywhere in society.... if, indeed, that is what you are looking for.

So, one follows a corporate MSM news outlet out of trust - it happens over time - 'trusting' that the corporate media news outlet, like CNN, is providing factual information that best serves the best interests of its audience. That sort of trust doesn't come instantaneously, but rather, comes over time. Trust will become stronger over time after time, after time that CNN has proven to earn such trustworthiness. And through that trust, a certain brainwashing effect can take place. And so, when CNN says that the information comes from an 'anonymous source', the audience will readily accept it, trust that information as having some value - a trustworthy value.

Awards are given to news journalists that have proven that they have provided above-average integrity in the reporting that they have provided. But what happens when an award winning CNN journalist, an award given as a measure of integrity in journalism, is found to have been providing false news stories, then that corporate news outlet loses its credibility. And is less likely to be trusted. The corporate MSM news outlet is falling into disarray, as a result. 'Fake News' is a label that is becoming the new logo of CNN.


https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71bFOSLUlQL._SX425_.jpg

As with regards to Claas Relotius...


Associated Press
German reporter stripped of CNN 'Journalist of the Year' awards for fabricating stories (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/all/german-reporter-stripped-cnn-journalist-year-awards-fabricating-stories-n950256)
Dec. 20, 2018


German magazine Der Spiegel, where Claas Relotius worked as a freelancer and later full-time, said Wednesday that he had fabricated interviews and facts in at least 14 articles.


https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTdimYtwgRoRrmY9O0iudefitu0HIFjx zc5vG_Kjbc6IngMftkHIw

What you have to come to understand, Fred Steeves, is that Qanon is attempting to persuade members of the general public to do their own research into finding the information out for themselves. And that the corporate MSM news outlets cannot be trusted any longer.

The following Praying Medic video provides several 'Q Proofs' as examples of information that Q has provided showing that the information that Q provides is factually true. Please note that the following video is several months old, but you will be able to see from the various Q Proofs provided that the information was true & correct. Praying Medic does a good job at providing a set of proofs.

14) #Qanon has echoed the President's view of the mainstream media. Part of Q's mission is to provide valid information that counters the often false information of the mainstream media.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5I2G-H6MZQw&list=PL_dIek-hX2y9--k8jOmmHnjBq1JRaif6-
Your attempt at showing that those that follow the Qanon Posts are nothing more than of a religious cult-like following clearly shows that you have Eyes Wide Shut, imo, Fred.

Best regards......


https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/5a602ccdf7b4a4f9f693042b8cf4b8b8?s=64&d=wavatar&r=pg

turiya
23rd December 2018, 23:53
Recent Q Posts..........

Q Post # 2641...

https://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/GENRL_TWEETS/Q_ANON/2641.png (https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/4432116.html#4432768)

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/KqFVaTCXasTWdjwyqCyJrlkE7X2Wnh9qRC_22jgvMleXn5jrX5 RHLbmpO4swW2tkfSpZgjgSk2-XfOs=s400-k-no
TWITTER / VIDEO (https://twitter.com/phil4gop/status/1076565841804697600)

Q Post # 2642...

https://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/GENRL_TWEETS/Q_ANON/2642.png (https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/4432916.html#4433511)

https://images1-focus-opensocial.googleusercontent.com/gadgets/proxy?container=focus&url=https://i.ytimg.com/vi/b--KhnjSAtw/hqdefault.jpg
VIDEO (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHnGFkUS_lc)

Aragorn
24th December 2018, 00:03
Again, sure you can disagree, but I sure haven't seen many Q adherents disagreeing with the drops; quite to the contrary, I see incredible displays of mental gymnastics in order to make sense of many the mystery shrouded messages and unfulfilled predictions.

The rationalization of what one does not understand and the justification of the fact that the cult leader is caught telling outright lies are symptomatic of all cults and religions.


"The Good Lord giveth and the Good Lord taketh away." — Christianity
Earth is flat and all the photos from space that show Earth as round are fake. — the Flat Earth believers
Shane Bales lied about everything in his blog, but "that was just to test the waters and to throw his detractors off course." — the Ruiner groupies (alias "Shanolytes", © Sam Hunter)
Mark Richards was innocently convicted for a murder he didn't commit because he's an important whistleblower of the Secret Space Program. — Kerry Cassidy
QAnon spreads misinformation and makes false predictions "because this is necessary as part of the plan." — the alt-right demagogues
All the news in the mainstream about Donald Trump is fake. Only the alt-right news is real. — the alt-right demagogues



There again adherents are free to leave the order, but the worried mind is left back out in the cold, all alone.

Yes. In order for a cult to be effective, it must use the concept of addiction. That's why drug dealers will always offer you your first fix for free.


Well first off I have yet to see ANY letting go of this thing LOL, it's all pedal to the metal baby! :)

Yes, the fanaticism is strong in this one. Four propaganda threads that were closed, and the bullshit is still being spread. There's just a little less propaganda involved now — a little less, but it's not free of propaganda just yet — and that's why we're letting this nonsense carry on in the two threads that it has currently moved to.

It'll either way always move somewhere, because a fanatic can't change his mind and won't change the subject. And those are not my words, but those of the late Winston Churchill. QED.


So far as raised fists are concerned, hasn't that been addressed? Adherents have a Trump thread and a Q thread all to themselves. I'm pretty much the only outsider that butts in every now and zen but it's with legitimate critiques and/or questions, not a raised fist. Aragorn was the biggest critic of all, and when is the last time he said a thing here?

Right now. <LOL> :lol:


I know full well it aggravates the shit out of him, [...

You bet, and not just myself only. Everyone in the mod room is fed up with it. I kid you not.


...] but he's giving you guys a wide berth to do your thing. Haven't you noticed?

Oh, somebody has noticed alright, and he's making ample use of it, walking as thin a line as he possibly can, hoping to be able to cross that line again as soon as we let our guard down.


I would say this source has themselves a mighty fine case of God Complex, and this god, his end goal, is salvation through mass arrests and military tribunals of all political enemies. The only research I see, yet again, is the mental gymnastics research done only to prove that everything about Q is 100% legitimate. And lastly Q doesn't need to tell adherents what to do, the flock falls neatly into parade formation all on their own.

Exactly. Sheeple will be sheeple.


With ultimate power somehow achieved, I can easily see this movement turning into a lynch mob.

You bet. There are and have for many years already been plenty of right-wing nutters who demand Hillary's head on a platter.

Not that Hillary would be a saint — far from it — but then again, the 2016 US presidential elections were destined to be a choice between two evils. The US electoral system was designed for that, because Independent candidates are not recognized in all of the states, nor is one allowed to vote for an Independent candidate everywhere. As such, the chances of an Independent candidate ever making it into the White House are statistically very small, and the only two choices in November 2016 were Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump.


Now going back to briefly re-touch on your concern about the Q thread not being readily able for public view because of it's placement in the "Conspiracy Research" section:

Just for the record — it's not clear to me whether you're talking about The One Truth or Project Avalon now — the Conspiracies & Cover-Ups (https://jandeane81.com/forumdisplay.php/11-Conspiracies-Cover-Ups) forum here at The One Truth is publicly visible.


Do you know that for the longest time I didn't even know what section that big Q thread was in over at PA? Why would I have needed to? It was, and almost always still is, one of the current topics screen right in "New Forum Posts". As a matter of fact I had to jot over there just now to double check and sure enough, it's in the "Conspiracy" section over there too.

Have you noticed this Q thread is almost always in "New Forum Posts" here as well? In all honesty I didn't even know what section it was in here because I didn't need to, it's always right there. If people out there want to come here to see Q's latest, all they need to do is pop onto TOT's front page...

Alas. And because of that, we get more people with an alt-right conviction signing up here. It raises the false impression that The One Truth would be a pro-QAnon and/or alt-right forum, which couldn't be farther from the truth.


And this is pretty much the only reason I'm even in this thread again Vern, because it seems that wasn't good enough for you, you wanted to have another Q thread piled on top of the thread that was already there all the damn time! And I was like "geez, that's pushing it again".

And this is a Q trademark in alt media: it's in your face all the time, and it always wants more...



"The Preciousss. We needs it. We wants it. Must have the Preciousss."

(Gollum, "The Lord Of The Rings")





I see, Fred Steeves, that in the example you are giving, you are using an analogy of the Christian religion for your analogy. This is because your 'choice' is to draw an analogous similarity of those that are following the information that Q is providing to those that follow an established religion. In this case, it is Christianity.

There is a Yuuge problem in using this kind of analogy, that you choose to overlook. Religions are essentially driven by faith, a belief in God. A faith that God exists. And, faith, and a belief, requires no proof that a God exists. Just a belief that a God exists is enough. That is enough for a so-called 'established religion'.

On the other hand, Q requires no faith, no belief in God, or whether or not God exists. In fact, one needs no faith, no belief, that even Q exists. The Q drops are proof enough.

Spoken like a true demagogue again, turiya. I must say that you're really very good at this indoctrination shit.


The Q drops alone are enough. As, several drops have been quite correct on a number of occasions.

And everyone with some IT skills and the required fanaticism can pull that off. You don't have to be correct all of the time. Hell, you don't even have to be correct half of the time. Just say something that turns out correct once or twice, and make it so that it catches people by surprise. "Now how the hell could he/they have known about that if he's/they're not (a) true insider(s)?"

Bang, and you've got them hooked.


These drops are called 'Q proofs'. There is no need to 'believe' in Q. There is no need to have 'faith' in Q. Just seeing that the 'Q posts' have been correct on a number of occasions is proof enough. No faith, no belief is needed. The Q Proofs are enough. Q posts keep coming true in the media. The media is showing that the Q Posts are quite true, showing that the information is in contention with the information that the Main Stream Media is putting forth.

Nonsense. See above.


You have chosen to use Christianity as the example that you provide. Fair enough.

Perhaps Christianity was not an appropriate thing to compare this too. Perhaps Fred should have brought up the Flat Earth Hypothesis people. They're just as fanatic as the QAnon followers, and they rationalize all the inconsistencies away in exactly the same manner. And when they can't refute the evidence of how wrong they are, then they go "Oh, but that's all a conspiracy to keep us dumb."

By the way, what does QAnon have to say about the 400'000 public servants in the USA who are not receiving any pay for their work anymore because El Donaldo the Banana Republican™ has to have his Apartheid Wall between the USA and Mexico?

Melidae
24th December 2018, 01:57
Conspiracy theories that have proven to be true...

COINTELPRO
Operation Northwoods
Watergate
The October Surprise
Iran-Contra
Rex 84
Garden Plot
Business Plot
Operation Ajax
P2
Operation Overcast/Operation Paperclip
MKULTRA
Tuskegee Experiment
Operation Snow White
PRISM
Tehran Project
“The Booty Warrior”
Manhattan Project
Asbestos
1990 Testimony of Nayirah
Gulf of Tonkin never happened
Kennedy Assassination - 2nd Investigation by Congress by HSCA
Drug Smuggling in Arkansas
Report from Iron Mountain
Laurel Canyon

...to name a few.

I bet people thought anyone who spent time seeking the truth of any the above list was being mislead, misdirected, and shouldn't waste their time on such things...until they were proven true.

QAnon is an alternative theory which I would think belonged on an alternative forum. I wouldn't worry about people 'mistaking' TOT as an alt-right site...there is ample evidence it is not so.

Aianawa
24th December 2018, 03:34
Am getting concerned Aragorn, it is ok to be incorrect.

Aragorn
24th December 2018, 04:14
Conspiracy theories that have proven to be true...

COINTELPRO
Operation Northwoods
Watergate
The October Surprise
Iran-Contra
Rex 84
Garden Plot
Business Plot
Operation Ajax
P2
Operation Overcast/Operation Paperclip
MKULTRA
Tuskegee Experiment
Operation Snow White
PRISM
Tehran Project
“The Booty Warrior”
Manhattan Project
Asbestos
1990 Testimony of Nayirah
Gulf of Tonkin never happened
Kennedy Assassination - 2nd Investigation by Congress by HSCA
Drug Smuggling in Arkansas
Report from Iron Mountain
Laurel Canyon

...to name a few.

I bet people thought anyone who spent time seeking the truth of any the above list was being mislead, misdirected, and shouldn't waste their time on such things...until they were proven true.

Just because conspiracies do manifest doesn't mean that everything would be a conspiracy. There have been and still are loads more conspiracy theories that turned out complete hoaxes. And the lack of discernment within this so-called alternative community of alleged truth-seekers isn't exactly helping in that regard either.

Besides, are you genuinely going to compare the QAnon joke to all of the stuff you've listed above? Would the US military really be so goofy as to post puerile nationalistic messages on message boards like 4Chan and 8Chan? And do you honestly believe that Donald Trump would be a strategic genius, let alone a kind of Messiah? The guy is a buffoon, if I ever saw one.

By the way, the "Report from Iron Mountain", although eerily close to the mindset of The Powers That Be™, really was a joke. It was a sarcastic publication, not an official report from the Rand Corporation as allegedly commissioned by John F. Kennedy in 1962.


QAnon is an alternative theory which I would think belonged on an alternative forum.

No, QAnon is not an alternative theory. It's an alt-right conspiracy theory, and this so-called alternative community is not the same thing as the alt-right. It is imperative that you understand the distinction.


The so-called alternative community is a global community of people who seek the truth about a whole gamut of topics, and who are interested in a free and open society, in which nationalistic, financial-economical and military concerns are as irrelevant as they are in relation to the laws of physics or to the mating behavior of dung beetles.


The alt-right is an exclusively US-American and socio-economically motivated nationalistic, pro-capitalism/pro-corporatism/pro-consumerism and anti-environmentalist political movement that seeks to go where the US Republican Party itself dares not go — and they themselves have already gone pretty far in the past, I might add.

Dolphins and whales swim in the ocean, just like fish. But dolphins and whales are not fish. They are mammals. They breathe air, they are warmblooded, they are viviparous and they nurse their offspring with milk. And in this scenario here, we are the dolphins, but we're being mistaken for fish by — wait for it — the actual fish themselves. When the only tool you have is a hammer, everything else looks like a nail.

That said, the management of The One Truth does not have any objections to anyone posting about the QAnon phenomenon here, or even to anyone posting the QAnon messages themselves. What the management of The One Truth does have its objections against is the posting of propaganda. And that's another important distinction which seems to have eluded a few people here.


I wouldn't worry about people 'mistaking' TOT as an alt-right site...there is ample evidence it is not so.

Well, if said evidence were still clearly visible, then I'd thank Providence for that. Sadly enough, ample effort has been made by some here to make sure that the US-centric and US-nationalist ideals are plastered all over the forum in such a way that the forum starts attracting almost as many alt-right bigots as it attracts Russian and Chinese spam bots.

Anyway, your subtle cues have been received, so I will take my leave from this cult thread, and I'll leave it to Fred to try and talk some sense into you people — while he still has the patience to do so. Myself, I'm kind of tired of talking to brick walls.

Just make sure that you're all keeping the propaganda out of it this time, or else this thread is soon going to be joining the other ones we've already closed.

Aianawa
24th December 2018, 04:41
LOL do the numbers lie, in more jest, all is well >


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTg1oDNjt-I&t=13s



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9jpSiYREyY

N if really concerned and need to shut more things down or up >


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIx5iFNjj-0

Plus part two >


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3_TUOs1Ojk

turiya
24th December 2018, 23:08
David M Rothschild Twitter Melt-down........


Trump Points The Finger At The Central Bank,
Rothschild Responds - Episode 1749a
(Dec 24, 2018)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZYtdDBPrXU
Description:

All players are there for a reason, they have specific skills that are needed at specific times. Mnuchin has a specific skill set,he is a Goldman boy and knows how to manipulate the market. Mnuchin tried to build confidence in the market but it might have backfired. Trump calls out the Fed and Rothschild responded. A bill was introduced in the beginning of 2018, to define the dollar as a fixed weight of gold.

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Trump Tweets about the FED... (Note: Time Stamps are local time.)

https://i.imgur.com/ONbBAYE.png (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1077231267559755776?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1077231267559755776&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fx22report.com%2Fflynn-signals-dark-to-light-dscb-panic-episode-1749%2F)

David Mic Rothschild Reply to Trump's tweet.....

https://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/TRUMP_TWEETS/CENTRAL_BANKE/DAVID_MIC_ROTHSCHILD.png (https://twitter.com/DavMicRot/status/1077236455565594624?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1077236455565594624&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fx22report.com%2Fflynn-signals-dark-to-light-dscb-panic-episode-1749%2F)

This clearly shows Rothschild's connection to the FED...
and shows he's quite a bit worried about what is yet to come...

https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/d59a7108fb54343a40cb645d93152427?s=49&d=wavatar&r=pg

turiya
25th December 2018, 00:34
Dark to Light...


Flynn Signals Dark To Light,
[DS][CB] PANIC - Episode 1749b
(Dec 24, 2018)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsSqmIjK8OA
Description:

Comey tweets that the FBI will spend the Christmas without a paycheck, one problem they got paid before the shutdown. Comey says there is no deep state. MSM pushes fake news throughout 2018. Troops are being withdrawn from Syria and the deep state is in a deep panic. Susan Rice tweets out and it backfires on her. SA will pay the rebuilding of the Syria. Flynn changes his background, Dark to Light.

______________________________

James Comey Tweets this out regarding federal employees not receiving a paycheck over the Christmas holidays...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DvI37uCX0AE6u0k.jpg (https://twitter.com/Comey/status/1076893757566566401?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1076893757566566401&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fx22report.com%2Fflynn-signals-dark-to-light-dscb-panic-episode-1749%2F)


______________________________

James Comey Lies in Tweet About Lying…. (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/12/23/james-comey-lies-in-tweet-about-lying/)

Here’s the actual federal Pay Schedule:


https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2018/12/federal-payroll-4th-quarter.jpg?w=1024&h=403


______________________________

General Flynn just signaled all anons...
If you look at his Twitter page, Flynn noticeably changed his header,
What did he change it to?

Dark to light


https://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/FLYNN_DEEPSTA/DARK_TO_LIGHT_FLYNN_NEW_TWITTER_HEADER.png (https://twitter.com/GenFlynn)

Emil El Zapato
25th December 2018, 15:03
Trump Points The Finger At The Central Bank,
Rothschild Responds - Episode 1749a
(Dec 24, 2018)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZYtdDBPrXU
Description:

All players are there for a reason, they have specific skills that are needed at specific times. Mnuchin has a specific skill set,he is a Goldman boy and knows how to manipulate the market. Mnuchin tried to build confidence in the market but it might have backfired. Trump calls out the Fed and Rothschild responded. A bill was introduced in the beginning of 2018, to define the dollar as a fixed weight of gold.

__________________________

Trump Tweets about the FED... (Note: Time Stamps are local time.)

https://i.imgur.com/ONbBAYE.png (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1077231267559755776?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1077231267559755776&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fx22report.com%2Fflynn-signals-dark-to-light-dscb-panic-episode-1749%2F)

David Mic Rothschild Reply to Trump's tweet.....

https://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/TRUMP_TWEETS/CENTRAL_BANKE/DAVID_MIC_ROTHSCHILD.png (https://twitter.com/DavMicRot/status/1077236455565594624?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1077236455565594624&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fx22report.com%2Fflynn-signals-dark-to-light-dscb-panic-episode-1749%2F)

This clearly shows Rothschild's connection to the FED...
and shows he's quite a bit worried about what is yet to come...

https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/d59a7108fb54343a40cb645d93152427?s=49&d=wavatar&r=pg

Sure it does...everyone has a limit to the amount of specious stupidity they can accept. Trump hit that limit for most thinking homo sapiens long ago. The fact that Rothschild is vacuously and in a complete paranoid fantasy associated with the omigod the 'FED' is what makes him crazy. The absolute hallmark of assbackward thinking employed by the personality disordered is 'crazymaking'.

turiya
25th December 2018, 19:08
What's WTF is up w/ John Huber?


CLINTON FOUNDATION INVESTIGATION
U.S. House Hearing
(Dec 13, 2018)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbZSuN7vTXw
______________________

Must Watch: Is Nothing Happening?
(Dec 23, 2018)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqeKRt3rodU&t=1s

Links:
RealClear Investigations Piece: https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2018/12/22/john_huber_vanishing_savior_for_gop.html
CF Testimony: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbZSuN7vTXw
_____________________

Mark Lambert, a former co-president of a nuclear transportation company involved in Hillary Clinton’s deal to sell U.S. uranium interests to a Russian company.

Sample of Articles:

Zerohedge
FBI Probe Into Russian Uranium Bribes Concealed By Obama DOJ; Mueller, McCabe, Rosenstein Involved (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-01-15/fbi-probe-russian-uranium-bribes-concealed-obama-doj-mueller-mccabe-rosenstein)
by Tyler Durden
01/15/2018

https://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/styles/inline_image_desktop/public/inline-images/2b3182d_1.jpg?itok=w1oW_8bL (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-01-15/fbi-probe-russian-uranium-bribes-concealed-obama-doj-mueller-mccabe-rosenstein)

What many don't realize is that Lambert's Friday indictment is not the first linked to the Uranium One deal.
Four individuals were eventually prosecuted and given plea agreements after the Uranium One deal was approved. The prosecuting DOJ attorneys? Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and top Mueller investigator in the Trump-Russia probe, Andrew Weissman - who praised former acting Attorney General Sally Yates for defying Trump.
Unsurprisingly, all four indicted individuals were handed extremely light sentences, none of which made headlines
The judge? Theodore Chuang - an Obama appointee who went to Harvard Law at the same time as Obama, advised Hillary Clinton as "Counselor on detail to the United States Department of State," and just so happened to strike down Trump's "Travel Ban" Executive Order. Chuang's wife, Jacinta Ma served as a senior policy advisor to Michelle Obama.
Independent researcher Imperator Rex (Twitter account now closed) has neatly tied it all together for your edification on Twitter (below) ==> article (https://quodverum.com/2018/12/338/the-clinton-laundromat-parallels-between-spygate-uranium-one.html):

______________________

RealClear Investigations
John Huber, Justice Dept. Sheriff Who Never Quite Rode Into Town (https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2018/12/22/john_huber_vanishing_savior_for_gop.html)
By Paul Sperry, RealClearInvestigations
December 22, 2018

The Conservative Treehouse
Chief Justice John Roberts Issues Administrative Stay in Mysterious Mueller Related Case… (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/12/24/chief-justice-john-roberts-issues-administrative-stay-in-mysterious-mueller-related-case/)
Posted on December 24, 2018
by sundance

The HIll
Clinton campaign deserves a full investigation just like Trump World (https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/369013-clinton-campaign-deserves-a-full-investigation-just-like-trumpworld)
by Jonathan Turley,
01/15/18

Fox News (Linked to New York Post article Jan. 13, 2018)
Fitton on Uranium One Indictment: DOJ Must 'Aggressively' Investigate Clintons & Russia (http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/01/15/fitton-uranium-one-indictment-russian-money-laundering-must-be-thoroughly-investigated)
January 15, 2018

There’s an indictment in the FBI probe of the Uranium One scandal, in which the Obama administration cleared a business deal that gave a Russian company control of 20 percent of the US uranium industry.

The federal investigation grew from charges that the Obama administration covered up an FBI probe of the uranium business — and thus allowed the Russian firm Tenex to buy a stake in Uranium One, a Canadian company that mines uranium in Wyoming and elsewhere.

Wikipedia
Uranium One controversy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium_One_controversy)

Department of Justice
Former President of Maryland-Based Transportation Company Indicted on 11 Counts Related to Foreign Bribery, Fraud and Money Laundering Scheme (https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-president-maryland-based-transportation-company-indicted-11-counts-related-foreign)
Friday, January 12, 2018

Aianawa
25th December 2018, 21:37
One wonders about how many have jumped ship n not just law of the sea lol.

Emil El Zapato
26th December 2018, 12:59
If these articles are meant to imply uranium conspiracy...why would co-conspirators even bother with any of it? Lightness of sentence in a sane world betokens 'motivation' for the fraud (i.e. extra-legal money making within a legal framework)

"In June 2015, Lambert’s former co-president, Daren Condrey, pleaded guilty to conspiracy to violate the FCPA and commit wire fraud, and Vadim Mikerin pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit money laundering involving violations of the FCPA. Mikerin is currently serving a sentence of 48 months in prison and Condrey is awaiting sentencing. The indictment includes allegations against Lambert based on his role in effectuating the criminal scheme with Condrey, Mikerin, and others."

Make some sense, please...

Steven
27th December 2018, 20:34
#GREENMASK: Will TRUMP Stop the "GREEN NEW DEAL"? #GITMOBARGE #WWG1WGA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPtePVAPBE8&feature=youtu.be

PAYSEUR PART 3: [P]=Payseur Confirmed. Q Lounge Live 8/28

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Nol07Dmo7M&feature=youtu.be

Q video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LM1LINVaw3g&feature=youtu.be

Q++ the pain is on its way

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHNIxf4jquY&feature=youtu.be

Emil El Zapato
27th December 2018, 20:42
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha....lollllllllllll llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

Steven
27th December 2018, 23:33
#Net4TruthUSA 338 — Drop Everything CRITICAL INTEL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2dclI6ku2k&feature=youtu.be

Emil El Zapato
28th December 2018, 00:20
gawd...

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha....lollllllllllll llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

Aragorn
28th December 2018, 07:22
gawd...

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha....lollllllllllll llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

That's enough now, NotAPretender. Things are bad enough around here already as they are. We don't need any more fuel on that fire. :frantic:

Emil El Zapato
28th December 2018, 15:51
That's enough now, NotAPretender. Things are bad enough around here already as they are. We don't need any more fuel on that fire. :frantic:


ohh kk, your taking all the fun out of my vengeful life...

not really, I just wish you would cut me loose man...it's all about balance, you know.

I'll stop dearest Aragorn...you are a good man.

Steven
28th December 2018, 16:34
Q Live: Patriot Hour Live: Thursday Night Get Right..some history what is Wahington D.C. really?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r45AbY7wJxE&feature=youtu.be

Power Of The Wand, It Has Begun, Finger Pointing – Episode 1751a

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0sKzjsV3XA&feature=youtu.be

MSM Fell For It, Everything Is Going As Planned, Timing Is Everything – Episode 1751b

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuGkGg8Ke9Q&feature=youtu.be

A DEN OF VIPERS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRW7UcZMZkQ&feature=youtu.be

Aianawa
4th January 2019, 02:04
2019 may be all about healthy communication n facet styles, as the world at large learns the truth of the past n present, challenges their belief systems, and a big one > deals with past previously unknown pain/suffering/greif etc.

Here is a report from Paul at our Papa site >



Much has been accomplished in the first two years of Trump's Presidency, but much remains to be done.

The mass arrests of the Clinton, Bush, DOJ, FBI, and other traitors, that we hoped for, has not happened.

The CIA, DOJ, FBI and Mockingbird Media, as well as many politicians and judges in Washington, DC, are still in place and deeply corrupted.

Here are three key resources that I am using, to prompt my own thoughts on what has been done, and what remains to be done:

HUBER AND HOROWITZ'S PRIMARY JOB ISN'T TO PROSECUTE… THEIR JOB IS TO FAIL (8ch.net/qresearch)
Huber, Horowitz ‘probes’ of Hillary Clinton, Spygate nothing but cover for the Deep State (TheNationalSentinel)
Donald Trump twenty-four months on… (Jon Rappoport)

For anyone interested in more, well informed, discussion of our status, I recommend the above three articles.

My take is not entirely any of the above three, but is certainly informed by them.

Accomplishments:

Kept Hillary Clinton out of the White House, thus aborting at perhaps the last opportunity decades of Bush, Clinton, and Obama subversion of the United States.
Trump is contributing, in a major way, to the ongoing destruction of the credibility of big media (thanks to Rappoport for noticing this one.)
Major progress in ending the sixty-five year armed standoff between North and South Korea.
Apparently reduced substantially the funding of the Clinton deep state apparatus through Saudi Arabia.
Substantially reduced illegal immigration and making a strong stand on doing so permanently.
Removed the United States from disastrous trade deals Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) and Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP).
Donations to Clinton Foundation (CF) plunged after election loss (as noted in recent posts above, the CF is at the center of massive treason and corruption.)
Senator No-Name (John McCain) and former President George H.W. Bush are, one way or another, deceased.
The economy, employment and stock markets are doing great (though I suspect that won't last much longer.)
Likely substantial evidence of election fraud was obtained in the recent 2018 mid-term elections, hopefully to be prosecuted.
Key executive orders and public expectations have been laying the ground work for military tribunals of key traitors.
Some seriously shocking news was given in envelopes to Pence, George W. Bush, Clinton, Obama and Biden at Bush's funeral (I wish I knew what!).
Mueller's two year long effort to indict Trump on Russian (or any other kind of) collusion has gone almost no where.
Trump has ordered all American troops out of Syria within the next 30 days, and is reducing our forces in Afghanistan as well.
Trump has stayed alive, despite what were likely multiple (but covert) assassination attempts.
Removed the United States from a disastrous (far more than we've been told) deal that Obama made with Iran.
Installed two good Supreme Court Justices and likely to get another soon.
Gained a stronger based in the United States Senate (which confirms judges and cabinet officers) in the 2018 mid-term elections.
Dramatically increased arrests of pedophiles.
Lay groundwork for vaccine choice by establishing the Conscience and Religious Freedom Division in the HHS Office for Civil Rights.

Not done (yet, anyway):

Mass arrests of decades of traitors, liars, murderers, war mongerers, thieves, and rapists from the D.C. swamp.
Breaking the CIA into a thousand pieces and scattering it to the winds (to misquote JFK).
Cleaning up election fraud, especially in some Democrat strongholds (where more votes are counted than there are even registered voters to vote).
Resting control of the Federal Reserve from the big banksters, and instead under U.S. Treasury control, more like the Central Banks of other nations.
Significant downsizing of U.S. military and intelligence presence in foreign lands, outside of the couple of places listed above.
Lasting and fair peace in the Middle East.
Adapt to the likely collapse of the European Union and of NATO.
Breaking up and permanently downsizing the Corporate and CIA controlled Mockingbird main stream media.
Handling the massive, truly massive, over hang of debt, derivatives, and promises burdening students, businesses, governments, and pension plans.
Trump lost control of the U.S. House of Representatives in the recent mid-term elections, so controversial budget and reform legislation will be difficult to impossible to get passed, for the next two years.
More substantial progress on re-industrializing America and restoring our balance of trade payments.
Waking up the rest of Americans as to the truth of 9/11, the JFK assassination, and other false flag events.
Expose Benghazi, Uranium 1, the Clinton Foundation, and related deep criminal activity.
Dismantle the CIA controlled global drug trade.
Destroying Common Core, the dumbing down of American education.
Destroying glyphosates and other major toxins in our food supply.
Destroying mandatory vaccines and other major medical malpractices.
Replace the disastrous Obamacare health plan with something that works.
Resolve the over trillion dollars of unpayable student debt racked up in recent years.
Declassifying and publishing the incriminating FISA documents showing Obama/Clinton's spying on Trump.
Delivering on the many other arrests, prosecutions, and convictions that Q has been teasing us with.

But lists can be boring.

Where do I think we are on the key items that those of us following Q, such as might be reading along here, are hoping for?

Trump has a difficult Gordian knot to untangle. He's trying to clean up corruption, in the news media, intelligence, legislature, Dept of Justice (DOJ) and Fed Bureau of Investigation (FBI), and judges, using those very same, deeply corrupt, institutions to accomplish the clean-up.

How do you get corrupt intelligence to give you honest information?
How do you get corrupt investigators and prosecutors in the DOJ and FBI to investigate and prosecute their own corruption?
How do you get corrupt judges to convict agents of the deep state that control them?
How do you get a corrupt news media to honestly report on the corruption, investigation, prosecution and conviction of the deep state that controls them?

This is NOT an easy problem.

I don't think (in hind sight) that Trump had enough pieces lined up, and sufficient control, to pull off the biggest steps in this swamp draining.

Now perhaps he does.

Federal judges, high level administration officials, and military officers must be confirmed by the U.S. Senate. Starting next week, Trump will have a sufficiently reliable majority in the U.S. Senate that he can get approval on nominations that would have been too threatening to the deep state until now.

His executive order, signed last year, to setup possible military tribunals for the most outrageous treasons, takes effect next week.

Another executive order, also signed last year, to explicitly allow confiscation of major, global, resources of some of these deep state criminals, such as (I presume and hope) the Clinton's and Bush's, also takes effect next week.

The American people have seen the Dept of Justice stall the House of Representatives requests for information, on such crimes as the DOJ spying on Trump's campaign, for two years now. The American people should by now have figured out that the DOJ cannot be expected to honestly prosecute itself.

The "Russian Collusion" narrative that the deep state has been trying to spin for over two years now to attack Trump is failing miserably.

The rather substantial following that Q has developed has "red pilled" quite a few of us, so there is now a better chance that Trump can maintain control of the "narrative", and a much weaker chance that the deep state could pull off something like another 9/11 without being exposed.

The trust by the American people in both the main stream news media, and in the newer main stream social media (e.g. Facebook, Youtube, ...) is much weaker now. These have been key tools of the deep state to control the "narrative".

However ... I expect that the deep state will retaliate with a global economic, financial, and monetary collapse, the likes of which we have not seen in centuries, at least.

The "blame game" for who is at fault for that collapse will be an intense, lengthy bat

Aianawa
4th January 2019, 02:15
Some interesting intellectuals have made changes to their thinking regarding Trump of late, incredible considering the narrative creators work of late, so important to know thyself- own mind > mind you he has more room to move lol >


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nCvtXO-dpw

Aianawa
4th January 2019, 06:39
Am catching up atm , this a couple of days old n interesting imo >


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuXV1m_eCkI

Dreamtimer
4th January 2019, 11:57
I was disappointed in Engdahl. He hears Trump parroting the right wing and he thinks Trump is somehow changing his mind.

Trump is feeding red meat to his base and his top 'advisors' are apparently media folks, i.e. Ann Coulter, Ruch Limbaugh, and Sean Hannity.

Engdahl should know better. It's only necessary to see the patterns of behavior. Trump repeats the phrases he knows his base wants to hear. He doesn't really care if it's real. As long as he thinks he's winning and he's enriching himself off of his position, which he is. He's using our White House which he called a dump. Shame on him.

Aianawa
4th January 2019, 21:37
Engdahl is not intelligent ?

Emil El Zapato
5th January 2019, 01:52
"Major progress in ending the sixty-five year armed standoff between North and South Korea." Have you really considered what that means in terms of a stable planet Earth?

Dreamtimer
5th January 2019, 03:16
I think Engdahl is too intelligent and should know better.

Aianawa
5th January 2019, 03:53
Can you gift/give/show us in your thinking plus feeling, some nice things about Trump or at least his family ?, as you appear to be rite alongside the MSN n media in your Trump/s narrative.

Dreamtimer
5th January 2019, 05:25
I'm on my own narrative. I don't need guidance from the media, be it mainstream, right-wing, or alternative. I think that must be hard to understand for some folk. I can listen to reports and opinion; I can observe facts; I can think for myself; I can change opinions as I learn new things.

The thing is, it's not necessary to rely on media. There are public records, there are people who have experience and stories to tell, there are many ways to know something.

For example, if you look into bankers who dealt with Trump, you can find various articles, interviews, etc., where they tell about their experience and knowledge. There are so many people who have dealt with him and have personal experience. Not all of them are bound by 'non-disclosure agreements'.

I don't know about you, but when I hear someone regularly makes people sign non-disclosure agreements in the way Trump did, I become really suspicious. What does he have to hide? People who are honorable business people just don't do that.

I don't need media to narrate anything to me. I can think for myself, and do research when necessary.

All that is required is critical analysis, the ability to separate from emotions which cloud judgement, and the ability to know that I could be wrong.

I also have a lifetime of instincts which have saved my ass and I certainly trust them. My instincts tell me a lot about our leaders.

I know little about his family. I think it's quite interesting that Ivanka did the same thing with her emails as Hillary and even used the same defense points. This is where the double standards are glaringly ugly.

Aianawa
5th January 2019, 06:05
You feel n think for yourself n then say Hillery and Ivanka emails debacle was the same, just gosh.

Dreamtimer
5th January 2019, 14:31
No, Aianawa. I said that Ivanka used the same defense as Hillary.

I made no personal judgement, and you have no idea what I think.

I was observing what Ivanka did.

Please be more careful.

Emil El Zapato
5th January 2019, 17:44
Here you go Aianawa...

It's possible that Ivanka is not as stupid as her father though unlikely... :)


You feel n think for yourself n then say Hillery and Ivanka emails debacle was the same, just gosh.

It is also likely that what Ivanka did was worse as she doesn't have the experience or the god given sense that Hillary does

Rinse Repeat again: Read the FBI report on Hillary. I guarantee you that 90% of what you believe about the situation is a complete fabrication. Just try it, Aianawa...you will see that there might indeed have been a lot of orchestration behind the scenes but it was for the BENEFIT of U.S security.

We all constantly scream that all we hear is lies and more lies, well, at the bottom of it the questions remain the same...Why? If we don't get the why correct then we have no way of putting our own narrative together in a fashion that holds up under scrutiny.

Aianawa
5th January 2019, 21:42
Ivanka did the same thing with her emails as Hillary and



I'm on my own narrative. I don't need guidance from the media, be it mainstream, right-wing, or alternative. I think that must be hard to understand for some folk. I can listen to reports and opinion; I can observe facts; I can think for myself; I can change opinions as I learn new things.

The thing is, it's not necessary to rely on media. There are public records, there are people who have experience and stories to tell, there are many ways to know something.

For example, if you look into bankers who dealt with Trump, you can find various articles, interviews, etc., where they tell about their experience and knowledge. There are so many people who have dealt with him and have personal experience. Not all of them are bound by 'non-disclosure agreements'.

I don't know about you, but when I hear someone regularly makes people sign non-disclosure agreements in the way Trump did, I become really suspicious. What does he have to hide? People who are honorable business people just don't do that.

I don't need media to narrate anything to me. I can think for myself, and do research when necessary.

All that is required is critical analysis, the ability to separate from emotions which cloud judgement, and the ability to know that I could be wrong.

I also have a lifetime of instincts which have saved my ass and I certainly trust them. My instincts tell me a lot about our leaders.

I know little about his family. I think it's quite interesting that Ivanka did the same thing with her emails as Hillary and even used the same defense points. This is where the double standards are glaringly ugly.

Aianawa
6th January 2019, 01:44
I let it-Q go now, we will all enjoy what the future holds ( greater joy n love ).

Aianawa
7th January 2019, 04:09
Ahhhhh that was nice, now back in we go > This is one of the better narratives concerning Qish material >


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxlEy7Ftp4c

Aianawa
9th January 2019, 05:20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ndfn26CplyI



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjGe3bLWp9Q

Aianawa
12th January 2019, 04:14
Never heard of a US president spending Xmas by himself in white house before, always a reason imo , anyway, next >




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLG6OqdmhSo

Aianawa
12th January 2019, 10:25
A whole week in the whitehouse by himself I meant

Dreamtimer
12th January 2019, 13:15
He seems to spend a lot of time by himself during 'executive time' in the residence wing where he spends his time watching TV and tweeting. I'm pretty sure Melania isn't hangin' with him while he's doing this.

palooka's revenge
12th January 2019, 16:26
He seems to spend a lot of time by himself during 'executive time' in the residence wing where he spends his time watching TV and tweeting. I'm pretty sure Melania isn't hangin' with him while he's doing this.

stranger than fiction when it comes to POTUS behavior. but nothin' strange about the wifie...

Aianawa
12th January 2019, 23:18
Lol the watching tv n tweeting all the time was a good meme even if not true.

Prayin fella >


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAsF0C_xYyI

Aianawa
14th January 2019, 08:12
Another facet of the Q mistree


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YifrvyOOak

Ntonyo
14th January 2019, 22:29
Perfectly sums it up pretty much all the thing behind Q. We are as people just want to belive for the good and this good thing should be brought by anyone else not by us. A couple of IT nerds just trolled an entire country. What a joke...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dr4n_kf-l-4

Aianawa
15th January 2019, 04:40
This is important indeed, this data was the starting point of where Bill Ryan n others were coming from, will watch this unfold with interest.

Aragorn
15th January 2019, 13:16
Perfectly sums it up pretty much all the thing behind Q. We are as people just want to belive for the good and this good thing should be brought by anyone else not by us. A couple of IT nerds just trolled an entire country. What a joke...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dr4n_kf-l-4


I've only been saying this for about nine months, and I have repeatedly tried to point out that the whole QAnon joke was nothing more than the umpteenth cult phenomenon that this so-called "alternative community" was once again gratuitously allowing itself to fall for, just as it had fallen for Simon Parkes, Randy "Captain Kaye" Cramer, Corey Goode, Shane "The Ruiner" Bales, and whoever else is there.

When the QAnon groupies were perching down here at The One Truth and plastering the whole forum with far-right propaganda, Trump worship and Q Fever, my colleagues and I were being accused of "suppressing freedom of speech" for not allowing hate speech on our forum, as well as of "suppressing information" for not allowing the cult members and bigots to rape The One Truth and turn it into a propaganda billboard for a cause that is and has always been directly juxtaposed to the very spirit of this forum.

And so now the eyes are starting to open up to the unmistakable evidence of people's umpteenth bout of self-induced insanity. Sadly enough, those who ignore history are doomed to continue repeating it. Once again, the so-called "alternative community" has proven itself to be largely comprised of impetuous brats who will time and time again fail to recognize wisdom, and instead rather choose to indulge in the pursuit of illusions. And then you guys wonder why nobody in the mainstream is willing to take this alternative research seriously? Hell, we're the management of this forum and even we can't take this "research" seriously anymore!

At least the staff's honor and sanity have both been vindicated now, and so I am now finally at liberty to park both this thread and the other QAnon-related ones where they belong, i.e. in the Proven Hoaxes & Misinformation category.



https://jandeane81.com/images/misc/Elrond_Facepalm.jpeg

Fred Steeves
15th January 2019, 15:47
Easy with that bully pulpit amigo. Just my 2 cents.

Aragorn
15th January 2019, 15:51
Easy with that bully pulpit amigo. Just my 2 cents.

Oh, I see. First I was a fascist and a suppressor of free speech because I didn't allow hate speech, then I was a dictator for pointing out that we have rules around here, and now I'm a bully for confronting people -- in the undoubtedly vain hope that they'd actually learn something -- with their tendency to repeatedly fall for deceivers.

Okay, I get it. :getcoat:

Fred Steeves
15th January 2019, 18:05
Oh come on now man... First off I never said or insinuated any of those things like labeling you a fascist. I don't think you meant them in that regard but they could be interpreted that way.

Second, all I'm saying is that the bully pulpit is needed at times, one just needs to be mindful of not over doing it. In my experience people don't learn a damn thing when they get their noses rubbed in I told you so, it just stiffens their resolve and creates resentment.

"Moderation" can also mean finding the sweet spot between two extremes. :)

Aragorn
15th January 2019, 19:27
Oh come on now man... First off I never said or insinuated any of those things like labeling you a fascist. I don't think you meant them in that regard but they could be interpreted that way.

You didn't, but others did -- and quite literally too. And I also forgot to mention in my previous post that I'm allegedly also "a power-hungry bot" and -- as I was told only two days ago by a member of another cult we've got hanging around in this neck of the woods -- "a scumbag" (among many other nasty things). (Don't go looking for that post, because I've reported it to the mod room and then I've deleted it. And the ban list got a little longer too.)

Seriously, there's only so much a guy can take, you know?


Second, all I'm saying is that the bully pulpit is needed at times, one just needs to be mindful of not over doing it. In my experience people don't learn a damn thing when they get their noses rubbed in I told you so, it just stiffens their resolve and creates resentment.

"Moderation" can also mean finding the sweet spot between two extremes. :)

Well, you'd be right if it weren't for the fact that I had already tried that, and on more than one occasion too. And it just doesn't work, because then they either ignore me, or they end up bullying me. So when people are being stupid and defiant, then yes, I now tend to rub their noses into it, and I will show them exactly why they're being stupid. Besides, when it's Lord Sidious -- whom I respect -- who rubs their faces into it, then everyone's okay with it, and then they will even thank his post. It's just not okay when it's the Big Bad Admin™ who opens his mouth.

It's a dirty job, but somebody's got to do it, and among other things, that's one of my responsibilities around here -- especially so when these infatuations with storytellers and LARP'ing idiots becomes a liability to the forum and all that it stands for. Plus that I also happen to give a damn. Life would certainly be a lot easier for me if I didn't give a shit, but unfortunately for myself, I happen to care about integrity, truthfulness and responsibility. That's why I was recruited as a moderator in April 2015 in the first place -- even though I hadn't volunteered -- and why I was then made a super moderator in May 2015, and why I was eventually asked to step up as administrator in August 2015.

Anyway, I'm glad that we can now officially catalog this whole episode as yet another concluded disinformation bout. I don't intend to keep on rubbing it in -- that's not my style either -- but I've said what needed to be said, and that wraps it up for me.



Not that this would be the end of the QAnon droppings elsewhere on the internet, nor of the madness that surrounds this phenomenon. After all, Simon Parkes, Corey Goode and Shane Bales have all been exposed a long time ago, and they too are still going strong, with their respective cults riding their coat tails like hungry dogs.

Chris
15th January 2019, 19:57
Hmm? Someone was banned? Really, who? I haven't noticed anyone missing, though admittedly I hadn't posted here for a few days.

The list of orcs banished to the land of Mordor gets longer each month... :wiz:

Aianawa
16th January 2019, 05:16
Spock would have a field day with the first twenty mins, hope the rest helps prove your reality Aragorn, I am ok with being incorrect, rather take hope porn bait n positive future outside of my own inner positive futures n crash n burn than be fenced, wish my brain a good washing as I get into the rest lol.

Aianawa
16th January 2019, 06:40
Others thoughts >


https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/q-and-the-fine-art-of-the-sht-post/


https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/q-and-the-fine-art-of-the-sht-post/

Aianawa
17th January 2019, 03:15
Well Aragorn, was like wtf when they said Mirochip was Mossad, they playin imo n not well, surprised you feel they could achieve what Q has achieved, what proof did they give you ?.

Aragorn
17th January 2019, 11:53
Well Aragorn, was like wtf when they said Mirochip was Mossad, they playin imo n not well, surprised you feel they could achieve what Q has achieved, what proof did they give you ?.

I'm sorry, Vern, but you're going to have to rephrase that question. :hmm:

Emil El Zapato
17th January 2019, 12:17
that's true Aianawa...but the obvious truth is that today Trump would be voted most likely to entertain a firing squad which flies pretty squarely in the face of Q.

Aianawa
19th January 2019, 08:42
If I am correct Aragorn, you based your Q feelings upon similar same as Bill Ryan n similar same time negative comments regarding Qetc material, like total Phyoppypoppy, ? yes.

If these two men impressed you and their absent Mossad friend, well, lets be friends with differences, ? yes.

Aragorn
19th January 2019, 15:18
If I am correct Aragorn, you based your Q feelings upon similar same as Bill Ryan n similar same time negative comments regarding Qetc material, like total Phyoppypoppy, ? yes.

If these two men impressed you and their absent Mossad friend, well, lets be friends with differences, ? yes.

I had not yet seen this video when I drew my conclusions, Vern. I based my conclusions on the plausibility of truth in the published confession of this former QAnon member -- among other things, I'm an IT guy, remember? -- versus the plausibility that the QAnon phenomenon would have been legitimate, in addition to the fact that a precursor of QAnon had already been around on 4Chan from before Trump was even elected as president.

This precursor of QAnon claimed that he was an FBI insider, and like those QAnon idiots, the guy was nauseatingly far-right -- he described "being liberal" as "the consequence of not having morals", and in his description of African-Americans he was essentially degrading them to savages, if not to mere animals. I even commented -- here at the forum -- at the time that if that guy was really an FBI insider, then it would have been extremely scary if his right-winged and racist vantages were representative of the FBI itself as an institution.

The guy also claimed to possess the exact same kind of "Sooper Dooper Seekrit Insida Nollidge" as those QAnon idiots would come to claim later, except that he wasn't doing it with cryptic droppings and "James Bond"/"Mission Impossible"-style messages and rhetorical questions. He wrote in understandable English -- albeit with bad grammar and spelling, and with the same kind of acronyms and abbreviations like "HRC", "POTUS", et al -- and he replied to people's individual questions directly by referencing the number of their posts in his replies. He also repeatedly claimed that he could not say more because his life was allegedly in danger, and he made the same kind of libelous claims of pedophilia and child trafficking on account of Bill and Hillary Clinton, Podesta, et al.

Not everything in the mainstream is true -- we know that. But at the same time, that also doesn't mean that everything in the mainstream would be a lie. Unfortunately, there is a whole legion of kooks out there, comprising everything from people with severe psychological disorders and/or substance abuse habits, all the way over to everyday people who just never had a proper education, or who couldn't be bothered paying attention while at school, and who do not understand either science or technology. And to make it all worse, you can then throw religious fanaticism into that mix. And that is then how come there is an alarmingly huge number of people who claim that Earth would be flat, and/or that Earth is only 6'000 years old and that Adam and Eve lived together with the dinosaurs in the Garden of Eden, because "the Bible is God's word."

Discernment is key, Vern. And it also helps to actually listen to people who have had an education, and who continue educating themselves with the help of the new material being made available as science progresses, instead of dismissing everything with a knee-jerk just because it happens to be mainstream.

Out of thesis and antithesis, synthesis will be born. Therefore, common sense dictates that a far-right political movement can never ever be a synthesis of anything at all. The very fact that it is far-right means that it is an opposite to something -- it is an opposite to the (perceived) political left. Opposites are by definition a thesis or an antithesis, never a synthesis.

Aianawa
19th January 2019, 23:02
Ones dot connecting can be piss poor when emotions or triggered emotions plus judgements lol zip , mirror land atm.

Your old observations and new appear the same, mine have changed n more open to a phyoppypoppy.

Aragorn
20th January 2019, 00:21
Ones dot connecting can be piss poor when emotions or triggered emotions plus judgements lol zip , mirror land atm.

Your old observations and new appear the same, mine have changed n more open to a phyoppypoppy.

Whenever I cast judgment on some phenomenon or some person, then I am always open to the possibility that I could be wrong, but at the same time, I also always approach things from the empirical, scientific perspective. And in this case concretely, I know with absolute certainty that I am right, and that I have been right from the start. The data is the data. It is not a psyop -- or at least, not from the conspiracy research vantage where either the government or some secret government agency would be pulling a deception trick on the public at large -- but a mere hoax by a couple of computer nerds with a strong right-wing bias. There is no purpose to it -- which there would be if it were a true government or government agency operation -- other than mental masturbation for the perpetrators and a field day for ultra-nationalists.

The perpetrators of this hoax are acting out a fantasy in which they play the role of a secret faction of military insiders -- and for that matter, a fantasy in which the good guys happen to be ultra-nationalists, which should already be enough of a contradiction in terms to be even remotely possible in the eyes of every sane individual on this planet -- and in doing so, they are dragging every ultra-nationalist out there with them in the wake of their ego-masturbation, creating a fan base for themselves as additional motivation for holding up the deception.

The QAnon fans get addicted to the "come and see next week's episode" character of it all, while the actual perpetrators themselves are having their self-esteem and their egos jacked up. From the purely psychological or psychiatric point of view, it would in theory even be possible that one or several of these characters would eventually come to actually believe in the fantasy that he or she created. You create a fictional character, you assume yourself to be this fictional character, you play the part, and then you end up believing that you are the character.

Either way, there is also the most likely very real psychological aspect that they know that they can't just stop anymore, because if they were to do that, then not only are they going to lose their following and thus find themselves confronted with a boring life again -- and as such, they've become addicted to their own drug -- but stopping now would also suddenly confront them with the ethical and possibly legal consequences of what they've done.

As the matter of fact, not too long ago, a guy was arrested who was carrying a semi-automatic rifle on him, and who upon his detention proclaimed himself on a mission in support of the alleged war between the fictional team of QAnon and Donald Trump on the one hand, and "those dirty Democratic pedophiles" on the other hand -- disclaimer: I do not remember whether the guy actually shot anyone or whether he was arrested before he could do so. It either way means that those QAnon guys are causing a certain degree of civil unrest and that they are -- granted: possibly unintentionally -- inciting violence. And unless I am mistaken, that would qualify as a criminal offense. The same might be true for impersonating a member of the armed forces, albeit that the vagueness of it all may negate prosecution on those charges -- e.g. did they or did they not actually claim to be military personnel, or was that something their fan base came up with without that QAnon made any such claims?

Anyway, there's bound to be some karmic retribution in one form or another. So they know they can't stop. They can't afford to lose the self-esteem they've built up while pretending to be some kind of secret agents, and they can't afford to admit that it was all a hoax, and that they are responsible for all of the bad things that have happened because of their deceptive 4Chan/8Chan droppings.

Aianawa
20th January 2019, 02:54
Spose some may call Qetc the perfect hoax to create perfection, many ways to make the vile, the putrid, the sad etc obvious, then the energetic processes, transmutation, clearing of present n old abuses can move.

Aianawa
20th January 2019, 04:00
Is it an abuse somewhat, to believe that this thread is kaput n 100% a Hoax and even put it in the box of proven Hoaxies.

Feels so, sorta shooved down thy throat lol

You have been misinforming members n visitors with misinformation from a proven hoax, ok, imo you did not begin this Aragorn, Bill Ryan did, well as far as you are concerned, from memory you quoted Bill and his feelings around Q , yes ?, F Bill, proof of Q being Hoax please.

Aragorn
20th January 2019, 13:48
Spose some may call Qetc the perfect hoax to create perfection, many ways to make the vile, the putrid, the sad etc obvious, then the energetic processes, transmutation, clearing of present n old abuses can move.

I'm afraid that neither the QAnon jesters nor Donald Trump himself -- who, for the record, had and still has nothing to do with QAnon, even though he was certainly pleased with and flattered by the phenomenon -- have the acuity of mind to come up with such a transmutation, Vern. Their consciousness just doesn't dwell at that level, and they are too conceited to even be able to go there.

The cold, hard truth of the matter is that the QAnon perpetrators are simply a far-right bunch of immature geeks who've been (and are still) stroking their own egos, whereby the glorification of their "fearless leader" Donald Trump was just a side-effect of these guys being ultra-nationalists. As I said earlier, nothing from the far-right -- or from the (purported) far-left as it has manifested in Soviet Russia and other such regimes -- can ever be considered perfect, exactly because of what it is.





Is it an abuse somewhat, to believe that this thread is kaput n 100% a Hoax and even put it in the box of proven Hoaxies.

Not an abuse, no. But as for what you do with it, that's all up to you. Just because the phenomenon has now (finally) been exposed for what it is, doesn't mean that one can no longer talk about it. But to still pretend that the phenomenon would truly be what it has been pretending to be all along would be quite a stretch.


Feels so, sorta shooved down thy throat lol

I can assure you that from the management's perspective, this is nothing personal, Vern. It's just that we've known that it was misinformation all along, and now the management has decided to officially declare it as such.


You have been misinforming members n visitors with misinformation from a proven hoax, ok, imo you did not begin this Aragorn, Bill Ryan did, well as far as you are concerned, from memory you quoted Bill and his feelings around Q , yes ?, F Bill, proof of Q being Hoax please.

Just because I never said anything until Bill Ryan himself did, doesn't mean that I had fallen for the story. In fact, I was sort of on the fence about it, because quite frankly, I couldn't care less. I knew it was coming from the far-right, so whether it was genuine or a hoax was absolutely irrelevant to me. Nothing good can ever come out of the far-right, and history has many pages full of evidence on that.

As for your responsibility in this, I doubt whether anyone here would hold you accountable. We all know you too well, so we're not going to be so misguided as to think that you would be in support of the far-right. That's just not your style -- unlike what we've seen from a few other individuals here, one of whom has recently been banned because of his disrespect for the rules of the house, his repeated attempts at manipulating the management, and his admission (in private) that he really did mean to offend.

But unfortunately, naiveté is part of your style, and that's something you're going to have to work on if you want to avoid future slip-ups like this one. Because naiveté can hurt you really bad, Brother. Trust me, I know what I'm talking about, because I've been there myself, and on more than one occasion. I've got the battle scars to prove it.

Aianawa
20th January 2019, 20:06
The pursuit of truth lol >


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHj0Wip_jyA

Emil El Zapato
20th January 2019, 21:06
1. sunset on Trump
2. Trump has no cherished values
3. U.S. immigration has historically been the envy of the world...not now
4. The money was agreed to earlier...then Anne Coulter and Sean Hannity didn't like the deal so Trump backed out
5. Crossing borders is a civil offense not legal. He wants to create prison terms for squatters.
6. His first duty and ultimate responsibility is to himself and Putin.
7. Before his address? That particular address was conducted at least a year ago.
8. It's already been demonstrated that most drugs are tunneled, flown, and dropped on innocent victims heads. Wall does not help.
9. What does the crying mean? The simple Truth.
10 Family members going out of the country with Pelosi's trip? lol...huh?
11 She's sending cryptic messages by having 93 people on her trip? lol...huh?
12 Buzzfeed dog story is relevant how? lol...huh?
13 Masonic talk because she talked about losing her rescue dog? migod.
14 The wall problem is forcing congress members out of the country to stage a coup...Pelosi:President, Donna Brazile:Vice-President?
15 So it was all about (divulging private flight plans AFTER disallowing the official flight) to keep the endangered Trump safe.
16 Why is this guy conflating timeframes, stories, and events.

He's nuts! But one has to be a free thinker to listen and believe.

Aianawa
24th January 2019, 08:34
He is doing amazing for nuts ? yes

Dreamtimer
24th January 2019, 11:37
That's the most scary part. People are following and applauding what's nuts. And it's nuts because those same people will end up hurt.

Exactly who is it who wants war? Exactly who profits from unrest and chaos in America?

It's not a hard question. We are being used (and played).

Emil El Zapato
24th January 2019, 13:47
Amazing must be a relative term...

On the immigration thing. Look carefully how it has morphed over the last 30 years. It once upon a time a Mexican illegal phenomenon. It isn't now, NAFTA has gone a long way to leveling the playing field. The Mexican economy is more stable and its citizens aren't as desperate to get to the United States. It is time to employ the same strategy farther south.

There is a tradeoff, of course. American industrial job availability in a sense collapsed but that was the part of the plan that was ignored. Innovation is required to fill that gap...not bitching and complaining like sissies (pardon the expression).

In terms of the mere presence of immigrants both legal and undocumented hurting the economy that is a complete fantasy. The professional market analysts have calculated that immigrants have a downward wage pressure of about .25 percent. That's one quarter of one percent. It's a negligible number.

Kathy
24th January 2019, 15:13
Isn't it a fact that most who live in USA (indeed, most countries in the world) arrived on that soil as immigrants. I remember Maggie Thatcher wanting to impose something or other on the British population, going back I think it was three generations, which would affect their status as citizens, but the population fought against it so it was never applied. It seems absurd to want to inflict on those who only left their countries because they were being bombarded by the bullies. Wouldn't the answer be just to stop such cruel activity and insist on pointing this solution out to the bullies of this insane world.

Elen
25th January 2019, 06:52
Isn't it a fact that most who live in USA (indeed, most countries in the world) arrived on that soil as immigrants. I remember Maggie Thatcher wanting to impose something or other on the British population, going back I think it was three generations, which would affect their status as citizens, but the population fought against it so it was never applied. It seems absurd to want to inflict on those who only left their countries because they were being bombarded by the bullies. Wouldn't the answer be just to stop such cruel activity and insist on pointing this solution out to the bullies of this insane world.

:bump2: Yes yes and should we build walls everywhere?

Dreamtimer
25th January 2019, 08:24
The wall is a boondoggle. Isn't that a great word?

It waists our time, our energy, and our resources. It's ineffective. Tunnels go under, drones go over. Speedy Delivery!

It's also a great distraction from the crimes being investigated.

Aianawa
25th January 2019, 08:30
Maybe be like Berlin, make one country, was once wasn't it ?.

Aianawa
25th January 2019, 08:54
Great work done and vid well done also, especially the start >


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFs1YOhTcAI

Dreamtimer
25th January 2019, 08:55
I'm afraid I don't understand. Berlin was in the middle of East Germany. The country and the city were divided.

Reagan said, "Let's make America Great Again". Trump co-opted that slogan.

Reagan said, "Tear down this wall." Trump wants to build one which will make us weak rather than strong.

Talk about turning things on their head.

Emil El Zapato
25th January 2019, 13:17
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZcBccViAtM

Wind
25th January 2019, 15:26
Trump wants to build one which will make us weak rather than strong.

Talk about turning things on their head.

https://i.imgflip.com/12ggtm.jpg

Aianawa
25th January 2019, 19:52
Absolutely Amazing how many people now believe Trump is dumb, even stupid.

Aragorn
25th January 2019, 20:06
Absolutely Amazing how many people now believe Trump is dumb, even stupid.

Yes, most people are rather slow on the uptake. I've already known he was dumb from at least as early as the 1980s. :p

Wind
25th January 2019, 23:55
Yes, most people are rather slow on the uptake. I've already known he was dumb from at least as early as the 1980s. :p

Actually in his interviews from the 80's he seemed to be fairly intelligent and well spoken, for a guy like that. That couldn't be really said now, you can just compare and look at the way he speaks. Too much narcissism combined with possible dementia shows, probably the junk food that he eats isn't helping with the way his mind is functioning.


http://youtu.be/SEPs17_AkTI

palooka's revenge
26th January 2019, 00:54
Absolutely Amazing how many people now believe Trump is dumb, even stupid.

the operative word is unteachable.

Chris
26th January 2019, 06:55
Actually in his interviews from the 80's he seemed to be fairly intelligent and well spoken, for a guy like that. That couldn't be really said now, you can just compare and look at the way he speaks. Too much narcissism combined with possible dementia shows, probably the junk food that he eats isn't helping with the way his mind is functioning.


http://youtu.be/SEPs17_AkTI

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's dementia. He also sleeps like 3 hours a day, which doesn't help. There should really be an age limit on becoming president. If you've reached the official retirement age, spend time with your grandkids, the office of president with all its responsibilities and pressures isn't for you. I mean my father is younger than him, but we can't even trust him to run the tap any more, let alone an office with serious responsibilities. Yes, some people remain mentally agile well into their seventies and eighties, but it really isn't the norm.

Dreamtimer
26th January 2019, 10:51
Trump said many times, "I really like my life. I like what I do. I have a great life."

He should have stayed in his lane.

Kathy
26th January 2019, 11:19
:bump2: Yes yes and should we build walls everywhere?

My understanding is that the great wall of China was, in fact, built by the Tartarians, with the windows in it facing China. Boondoggles aren't going to stop traveller refugees and maybe are cheaper to build than wars. What state of mind is the one ordering the build in? Shows the insanity the world is in.

Dreamtimer
26th January 2019, 11:44
Hmmm... wars make people money.

Who will make money from the wall? Oh yeah, that Russian steel company.


Trump promised that the [keystone] pipeline would only be made from American steel. Shortly thereafter, however, that changed. One reason was that American steel companies did not make enough of the kind of pipeline needed. While there is truth to that, there was also speculation that Trump created an exception to “made in America” because there were foreign interests that Trump chose to accommodate instead. This exception has remained in place despite the subsequent protectionism of the 25% percent tariff that President Trump imposed on steel imports.

One of the companies that benefited from the exception was Evraz, the second-largest Russian steel company. Controlling ownership of this company is held by a Russian oligarch named Roman Abramovich. Abramovich is one of Putin’s closest political allies and confidants, to the point of having recommended to then-President Boris Yeltsin that Putin be his successor. Abramovich is close, also, to the Trumps and the Kushners. For example, his wife...attended Trump’s inauguration, at first-daughter Ivanka’s invitation.

Elen
27th January 2019, 07:01
My understanding is that the great wall of China was, in fact, built by the Tartarians, with the windows in it facing China. Boondoggles aren't going to stop traveller refugees and maybe are cheaper to build than wars. What state of mind is the one ordering the build in? Shows the insanity the world is in.

Oh yes...we have Hadrian's wall between Scotland and England...but it failed to keep the Scots out. Today, I've noticed that there are many holes in it and local buildings consisting of the same stones missing in the wall. So I suppose in the long run...it will serve another purpose, hey? :rolleyes:

Dreamtimer
27th January 2019, 11:10
We visited Hadrian's wall a few decades ago. It was pretty cool. We learned that the wall and various castles and been the source of stone for buildings for quite some time.

Aianawa
28th January 2019, 07:29
It is said, once you have not only read but understand the art of war book, people no longer know you by your actions let alone MSN lol.

Emil El Zapato
28th January 2019, 13:18
He's a crooked psychopath. His lane needs to be shutdown.

Dreamtimer
28th January 2019, 13:26
Trump likes Mein Kampf. So one should probably read that book to better understand him.

Aragorn
28th January 2019, 15:29
Trump likes Mein Kampf.

Now why am I not in the least bit surprised? :fpalm:

Emil El Zapato
28th January 2019, 22:13
I'm sure he's referring to the translation...the movie, we know the fool can barely read. :)

Aianawa
29th January 2019, 03:17
Most interesting to read the feedback, regarding the art of war, Trump n many others to this day read Hitlers speeches, better than Churchmountains similar hype imo, as Churchill was an ugly one indeed.

Dreamtimer
29th January 2019, 08:19
What do/did these men do with their power? That is the question. Did they build or destroy? Hitler ended up on a path of great destruction. And it turns out that Trump doesn't mind ruining things at all. Like he said, he's the King of Debt.

He won't care if he tears the country apart.

Such leaders will toot their own horns until there's no-one left to listen.

Aianawa
29th January 2019, 09:20
I do not have to wonder how you know him so well even though you got his book wrong and appear to not understand the art of war, yes ?

Dreamtimer
29th January 2019, 09:38
Got what book wrong? I'm afraid I don't understand.

There are plenty of things Trump has ruined. He has a record that exists outside of my knowledge and opinions. It can be looked at all on its own.

There are many tales of him having Mein Kampf at his bedside. I have no option to be personally at his bedside.

Aianawa
29th January 2019, 10:06
It was his speeches.

Aianawa
30th January 2019, 02:52
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnBSMrLEQns

donk
31st January 2019, 16:48
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnBSMrLEQns

It is breath taking the mental acrobatics involved in the “reasoning” here, but I guess if you’re calling DT “The Maestro”, your brain functions waaaaay differently than mine

I have hard time understanding you in general A, do you actually believe this?

Fred Steeves
31st January 2019, 21:07
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnBSMrLEQns



It is breath taking the mental acrobatics involved in the “reasoning” here, but I guess if you’re calling DT “The Maestro”, your brain functions waaaaay differently than mine .


Breath taking indeed, but not to be outdone: Captain Chaos, besides being "The Maestro" of the 5 dimensional international chessboard, is also a time traveler who was sent back to deal with an issue concerning Nikola Tesla. It's true, I saw it on YouTube! :rolleyes:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TVxsK2EHnM

Aianawa
1st February 2019, 03:25
Lol octane indeed

Dreamtimer
1st February 2019, 12:12
This is more ridiculous than when people were spending time and money producing 15 minute videos explaining in depth the cosmic 4D significance of covfefe, including whole diatribes about why 'liberals' just don't get it.

The up side is that these things do reveal a lot about who produces them.

Aianawa
2nd February 2019, 03:38
Imo Dreamtimer, mostly indeed.

Latest drops and says will be all quiet again till after Trumps address >


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIW6ZxjBYQU

Aianawa
4th February 2019, 04:21
Very very thought provoking , imo


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYdKYw2yIec

Aianawa
6th February 2019, 19:59
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WG5ZW3XJgQ

Aianawa
12th February 2019, 03:15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOGL3BrXZlA

Aragorn
14th February 2019, 07:19
With special thanks to Bill Ryan of Project Avalon for the link to this article.




Source: The Freedom Articles (http://freedom-articles.toolsforfreedom.com/unraveling-q-qanon-hoax/)



~ Unraveling the QAnon Hoax ~




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The QAnon, Q-Anon or Q phenomenon which started around October 2017 managed to attract a large amount of die-hard followers who hung on Q’s every word. However, 1.5 years later, we have enough clues to see who was really behind the whole thing, which now appears to be over. There were many clues that QAnon was a psy-op, including his blatant support of regime change in Iran (right in line with the Zionist NWO agenda), his insistence that rabid warmonger and neocon John Bolton was cleaning up Washington and his praise for current US President Donald Trump who has dropped more bombs and fired more missiles (https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-ramped-up-drone-strikes-in-americas-shadow-wars) than Obama.



QAnon Praises Neocon Warmongers

Whitney Webb wrote in this June 2018 MintPressNews article (https://www.mintpressnews.com/pro-trump-conspiracy-monger-qanon-calls-for-regime-change-in-iran/244686/):

“The reality constructed by QAnon has ultimately unfolded much like a fictitious spy novel, one that details a “secret” counter-coup by the Trump administration against the so-called “Deep State” that Trump – in reality — has dutifully served ever since winning the 2016 election. Despite QAnon’s having been proven wrong repeatedly, its following remains large and the phenomenon itself remains influential.

Robert Martin, a documentary filmmaker whose series “A Very Heavy Agenda” delves into the nefarious political influence of the neoconservatives, told MintPress that QAnon is the “perfect wish-fulfillment conspiracy snowball” aimed at conservatives, adding that it has worked to “rehabilitate some of the most tarnished and scary neocons to all of a sudden be heroic figures.””



Jason Bermas’ Interview with Defango and Dreamcatcher

In this January 2019 interview (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKVH3avGwDI), Jason Bermas (producer of documentaries such as Fabled Enemies) interviews 2 men who go by “Defango” and “Dreamcatcher.” They claim they started Q as a LARP (Live Action Role Playing) game which sprung from Cicada 3301, a group that constructs very difficult-to-solve puzzles. Dreamcatcher admits that, at the start, he was “shitposting” just to see what would stick and, to his surprise, the QAnon phenomenon took off like no other LARP before it had. Both Defango and Dreamcatcher refer to another person who posted as Q known as “Microchip” who they say took trips to Israel. They speculate that he may be connected with the notorious Israeli spy agency, the Mossad.



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What About the Sealed Indictments?

QAnon supporters will point to PACER (Public Access to Court Electronic Records, the US nationwide database of court records for Appellate, District and Bankruptcy courts) as proof that not all of Q’s posts were without substance. However, the presence of an increase of sealed files itself is not evidence. We don’t know what’s in these sealed files. They may be arrest warrants or they may be something far less serious. As this article (https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/sealed-indictments-qanon-conspiracy/) states:

“Essentially, the number #QAnon is using is factually correct, but leaves out vital context that explains that relatively few of the 1,077 are actual criminal indictments. Most are routine court matters …A random sampling of these files showed 83 percent of sealed magistrate cases to be warrant applications or tracking devices. They are NOT indictments, but #QAnon’s number includes them anyway.”



QAnon Phenomenon Explained: Cryptic Clues, Cult Following, Gamification

This Corbett Report podcast (https://www.corbettreport.com/you-are-being-gamed/) explains how society is being gamified as a way to lure us into surveilling ourselves and giving over our data to the Corporatocracy and Big Gov. Examples are the Pokemon app a few years back and the Chinese Sesame Credit (http://freedom-articles.toolsforfreedom.com/sesame-credit-gamification-control/) system. Look how QAnon worked. It consisted of dropping some real info to build credibility and attract a cult following, all the while propagating cryptic clues (as is Cicada 3301’s specialty) rather than just spelling out the facts (and proving it with documents) as genuine whistleblowers like Julian Assange and Edward Snowden do. This led to countless hours being wasted on a game and puzzle of no importance when more pressing matters that require activist attention went unnoticed.



Who Endorsed QAnon?

Early on, Alex Jones jumped aboard the QAnon bandwagon by devoting a lot of attention and airtime (and employing Jerome Corsi) in analyzing Q’s cryptic threads. However, Jones’ credibility has been in question for a very long time now over his failure to grasp the issue of Zionism (whether deliberately or not), plus the way he has gone off the rails and has devoted his headlines to how Trump and Republicans are good, and how Democrats, Muslims and immigrants are bad, no matter what, end of story. Many people have used Alex Jones and InfoWars to start their awakening process, only to quickly move beyond his very limited and partisan perspectives. Anyone who simplistically believes that one political party is “good” and the other “bad” has fallen very deeply for the fake left-right paradigm.



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David Wilcock’s Damaged Street Cred

In this recent interview (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZY_jNeoDq8), David Wilcock stated he believed that there was something to the QAnon phenomenon. For his part, Wilcock has over the years also lost a lot of street credibility with his staunch support for Obama, who turned out to be a wolf in sheep’s clothing (read about the top 10 lowlights of the Obama legacy here (http://freedom-articles.toolsforfreedom.com/obama-legacy-10-highlights-lowlights/)). Wilcock has thrown his weight behind Corey Goode and his stories of the Blue Avian ETs, a phenomenon which remains to be corroborated, since of the tens or hundreds of thousands of other ET abductees and contactees around the world, no one else to my knowledge has ever spoken of “blue avian” aliens apart from Goode (some other SPP [Secret Space Program] whistleblowers like Tony Rodrigues believe him however). Wilcock also foolishly led a lot of people up the garden path on a road to nowhere (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHtFCEP3QtM) by teaming up with Benjamin Fulford (and a mysterious, anonymous “Drake” character) around 2011-2012 to propagate the idea that “mass arrests of the Illumunati are imminent” and that there’s nothing we have to do other sit back and watch it happen. We’re all going to be saved. Hmm-hmm. Nothing of the sort ever happened.

Does the QAnon phenomenon contain the same sort of embedded psychology when it advocates that we just need to sit back and “trust the plan” that mass arrests or incarcerations will occur due to the “sealed indictments”?



Save Me! Save Me!

This idea that we can all be lazy and complacent while some white hat, good guy group comes out of nowhere to take down the bad guys is absurd. A study of history shows us that it is extremely rare for one group to overthrow another and then to voluntarily relinquish the reins of power to hand it back to the masses. It happens occasionally, but it is not the norm. We have to be vigilant when we come across movements that promise such a thing, for it could very well be a trick to exploit the part of human psychology that wants to hope, to believe and to be saved without doing any of the grunt work that it takes to be free.



QAnon is Over

The QAnon phenomenon appears to be over for now. So what lessons can be learned from it? QAnon was a distraction and a puzzle that kept people entertained and engaged in digging for clues or solving mysteries of no importance while real injustices deserving of attention were ignored. As Whitney Webb wrote, “trust the plan” was just the sequel to “hope and change” to suck us into a hope-rollercoaster that goes nowhere. How can Trump really be fighting the “Deep State” (Shadow Government/NWO) when the NWO is nonpartisan? How can Trump be fighting the Deep State or “draining the swamp” when he has surrounded himself with swamp-dwellers and swamp-critters, such as Goldman Sachs and Rothschild-affiliated agents, Zionists and generals?

The QAnon phenomenon has shown that many people still lack the discernment to be able to separate truth, hoax, psy-op and other forms of disinfo from each other. It’s difficult because truth is never just served up on a silver platter and there are times when you have to follow your intuition in the absence of hard evidence. Swinging to one extreme and demanding hard, material proof for everything will limit your perspective, as will swinging to the other extreme by believing any fairy tale that comes along.

Hopefully this will act us a wake-up call to those who fell for it. Ultimately, the truth is out there and I believe we all the capacity to resonate with it and see through the lies … but it requires hard work, wide reading, critical thought, measuring different perspectives in your mind and an ability to see general patterns amidst all the detail.


Source: The Freedom Articles (http://freedom-articles.toolsforfreedom.com/unraveling-q-qanon-hoax/)

Gio
14th February 2019, 07:48
Between Benjamin Fulford, David Wilcock, Cory Goode, and even Bill Ryan himself ... :tiphat:
The Alternative forum community has truly suffered a big one ... :pc:


PS - special mention (s) to Paul (the administrator of PA) for keeping all the BS flowing ... https://imgfast.net/users/2911/23/55/04/smiles/262321.gif

Aianawa
14th February 2019, 08:09
It made good sense to have Paul on one side and Bill on other, they Culled the passionate ones like Kiwielf though first, proof of Hoax not being helped by the huge amount of energy that weres put into Q n Trump Narrative.

Gio
14th February 2019, 08:14
It made good sense to have Paul on one side and Bill on other, they Culled the passionate ones like Kiwielf though first, proof of Hoax not being helped by the huge amount of energy that weres put into Q n Trump Narrative.

Yes lots of tag teaming over there at PA ...

Scientology at its finest !

Aragorn
14th February 2019, 09:27
It made good sense to have Paul on one side and Bill on other, they Culled the passionate ones like Kiwielf though first, proof of Hoax not being helped by the huge amount of energy that weres put into Q n Trump Narrative.

I don't think it would be correct to shove the blame for the success of the QAnon hoax off on The Powers That Be™, Vern. That's a cheap shot. The real blame ─ and thus, the responsibility ─ rests with this so-called alternative community itself. Too many people were allowing themselves to be blinded by it ─ yourself included.

The truly scary part of it in my own purview is that these QAnon and Trump fans don't seem to realize that they were essentially all cheering for fascism. There's a thread over at Project Avalon, started by former moderator Dennis Leahy, as an inquiry on how the members there feel about socialism, and it is simply mind-boggling how the vast majority of the members who've been posting on that thread is completely brainwashed in favor of capitalism without being able to see that capitalism inevitably leads to corporatism and thus to fascism, not to mention that none of them even seem to understand that the financial-economical society model is based upon artificial scarcity, and thus that it is by definition evil ─ not exactly something a truly alternative community is supposed to support.

The vast majority of those people doesn't even know what fascism is. They think it's synonymous with the Nazi uniform and the swastika. But Nazism was only one form of fascism ─ and most specifically, it was Adolf Hitler's form of fascism. Fascism is what you get when any given society is in truth ruled by the corporations, with the politicians only being sock puppets for the corporate world. And fascism is also big on nationalism, militarism and machismo ─ all three of which are more ostensibly represented in the USA than in any other nation on the planet.

So with all of those people supporting a closet fascist like Donald Trump and his supposedly military fanboys of the QAnon group, it's not looking good on account of the consciousness level within this so-called alternative community.

But hey, I've been saying this for ages already, and nobody wants to listen when I say it. No, I was accused of censorship, of "stifling freedom of speech" and of "suppressing vital information". Yes, Sir. I'm the Big Bad Admin™ and I have to keep my mouth shut, because ─ or so I've been told again only two days ago ─ I let my ego cloud my judgment. Right.

So if I'm not allowed to speak the truth ─ because freedom of speech seems to pertain only to the advocates of hate speech, not to people who would rather have everyone behave in a civilized manner, or to people who manage a forum ─ then the only thing I can still do is sit back and watch you guys ram your stubborn heads right into that wall yet another time. And the sad part is that within two weeks, you'll all have forgotten about this umpteenth fiasco again, and you will already be prepping yourselves again for when the next hoaxer comes along. Because that's how it works within this so-called alternative community.

On the upside, I'm glad that not everyone at The One Truth was cheering for the fascists, and that as staff members, we were able to stay on top of it. It did take a lot of effort and a lot of patience ─ you guys really have no idea ─ and perhaps I should have brought that ban hammer out a little sooner, but at least we were able to keep it contained. There is no place for Sauron or Saruman in the Shire, and Orcs should go back to Mordor, where they belong.





https://i.gifer.com/VP3M.gif

Elen
14th February 2019, 12:17
AND Vern (Frodo): There is goodness in your heart...worth fighting for! :love:

Dreamtimer
14th February 2019, 12:42
The closed eyes are what depress me the most. I see it first hand.

The boogeyman of socialism keeps peoples' eyes off what's going on.

Being disaffected from the system helps the fascists as well because there's no resistance.

The Christian element is very dangerous. When people believe you're evil, they will do many awful things to you.

Chris
14th February 2019, 19:53
I think we are all evolving here and I'm happy that some people have learnt a valuable lesson with the unravelling of the Qanon hoax. I was also taken in by similar hoaxes in the past, so I don't feel all high and mighty that I've managed to dodge this one. To my eternal shame, I have at different points been taken in by the alt-right, the Islamophobia brigade, my own PM, Viktor Orban, Alex Jones and his croneys, David Wilcock and Even Corey Goode. Apparently, my critical thinking and bullshite detection faculties need some further honing.

I think the forum staff on The One Truth needs to be given special credit and recognition for keeping a level head during these trying times and containing some pretty damaging proto-fascist movements and tendencies from taking hold here. You guys really did a good job and I'm personally very grateful for all that you have done. Sauron has been kicked back to Mordor once again

:wiz:

Emil El Zapato
14th February 2019, 20:32
Christian element is very dangerous. I see evil...but then I live in what my dear old daddy use to call...assbackwards world. I've been fighting the 'alternative' crowd since I was first exposed to 'alternative' thinking...been called everything in the book but my favorite has always been 'asleep'. I always considered that a joke because when I actually tried to talk reality with a little imagination thrown in most times what I got in return was huh?. If one got past huh, it turned to sheeple, out of contact with reality, gatekeeper (I"m still trying to figure out what the hell that means). One very enlightened human being once said he couldn't believe after how long I had been around that I still hadn't learned anything. It was after some reflection that I realized that I had been 'living' his notion of 'learning' for 50 years. But I'm not bitter, hell no I'm not bitter (Written to the tune of John Wayne in McLintock) :)

I do know what you mean by that, Chris, but in a very real sense it is a rite of passage...we do learn though. I must have missed some shenanigans as of late because I hadn't noticed anything extraordinarily ridiculous going on. But it is a bit tedious when you know what the next post from a given individual will be. How about a little originality and some display of thinking that isn't obviously the result of legitimate brainwashing.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgfFSwxPvtM

palooka's revenge
15th February 2019, 00:09
I think we are all evolving here and I'm happy that some people have learnt a valuable lesson with the unravelling of the Qanon hoax. I was also taken in by similar hoaxes in the past, so I don't feel all high and mighty that I've managed to dodge this one. To my eternal shame, I have at different points been taken in by the alt-right, the Islamophobia brigade, my own PM, Viktor Orban, Alex Jones and his croneys, David Wilcock and Even Corey Goode. Apparently, my critical thinking and bullshite detection faculties need some further honing.


Yes, this little diddy has manifested several times in various forms. It can be difficult to ID as such but the similarities are there. The REAL challenge there, however, is to not necessarily connect the dots but to begin to see how and where I”M aligned within myself with nefarious, unloving forces “out there”. Annnnd, if so, why.....

That's one part of a multi-part conundrum. Another part is to explore that hatred, since I hate what is happening so much – and we come from cultures and societies hell bent on teachin' us that hate is a bad guy, yes? - to see if any part of that could be fueled by my own denied hatred (or, or, or) manifesting to show me what i've here to for been in denial of...



I think the forum staff on The One Truth needs to be given special credit and recognition for keeping a level head during these trying times and containing some pretty damaging proto-fascist movements and tendencies from taking hold here. You guys really did a good job and I'm personally very grateful for all that you have done. Sauron has been kicked back to Mordor once again


Yes, yes, yes!!! In a word the mod room ROCKS! And is a testament to the work they each have done for themselves and we at TOT including the TOT platform are the beneficiaries of.

Not to slight any individual in that room but I do want to give a special shout out to Aragorn who, as admin, is left to do the dirty work – putting himself square in the role of becoming the bad guy – with a most astounding display of not only patience and level headedness, but often in an effort that displays that he looks at things from a multitude of angles and points of view that help him to come to decisions - in cohort with the mods - that must be made about the future of this forum.

Personally, I don't know how he does it and, over and over again, taking the time and effort to inform in detail, the reasoning behind the decisions.

If the idea were still rattlin' around in my DNA , I would nominate him for sainthood. Which ain't to say he's above human cuz every saint was a human first and humans make mistakes if for no other reason than to learn from whatever are the lesson(s) at hand...

palooka's revenge
15th February 2019, 00:20
But it is a bit tedious when you know what the next post from a given individual will be.



i offer myself as a case in point....

ie, on 'n on I go about the unseen role of denial. Why? Because I want to see if there's anything to it. So far it's battin' a thousand...

palooka's revenge
15th February 2019, 01:19
The real blame ─ and thus, the responsibility ─ rests with this so-called alternative community itself. Too many people were allowing themselves to be blinded by it...

The truly scary part of it in my own purview is that these QAnon and Trump fans don't seem to realize that they were essentially all cheering for fascism. There's a thread over at Project Avalon, started by former moderator Dennis Leahy, as an inquiry on how the members there feel about socialism, and it is simply mind-boggling how the vast majority of the members who've been posting on that thread is completely brainwashed in favor of capitalism without being able to see that capitalism inevitably leads to corporatism and thus to fascism, not to mention that none of them even seem to understand that the financial-economical society model is based upon artificial scarcity, and thus that it is by definition evil ─ not exactly something a truly alternative community is supposed to support.

The vast majority of those people doesn't even know what fascism is. They think it's synonymous with the Nazi uniform and the swastika. But Nazism was only one form of fascism ─ and most specifically, it was Adolf Hitler's form of fascism. Fascism is what you get when any given society is in truth ruled by the corporations, with the politicians only being sock puppets for the corporate world. And fascism is also big on nationalism, militarism and machismo ─ all three of which are more ostensibly represented in the USA than in any other nation on the planet.

So with all of those people supporting a closet fascist like Donald Trump and his supposedly military fanboys of the QAnon group, it's not looking good on account of the consciousness level within this so-called alternative community.


and that last part.... that's the reeeeaaal scary one ain't it!! even moreso than the cheer for facism (excellent observation, btw).

quotes from the link that U posted in #166. emphasis are mine...


The QAnon phenomenon has shown that many people still lack the discernment to be able to separate truth, hoax, psy-op and other forms of disinfo from each other. It’s difficult because truth is never just served up on a silver platter and there are times when you have to follow your intuition in the absence of hard evidence.

Hopefully this will act us a wake-up call to those who fell for it. Ultimately, the truth is out there and I believe we all the capacity to resonate with it and see through the lies … but it requires hard work, wide reading, critical thought, measuring different perspectives in your mind and an ability to see general patterns amidst all the detail.

What great advice eh folx? And i mean that. BUT, not one word toward cultivation of that intuition noted in the previous para. Not one! INTUITION, AKA, gut feeling! That's right, it's a feeling! Information in that form is coming from only one place - our own differentiated, personal WILL! Which does NOT communicate in words!

How are each of U guys here at TOT doin' with yours? Personally, it has come to my attention that i've been denying mine for eons! Cus it all comes to me in the form of feelings.

(and backing up a para or 2 in the same article)...


So what lessons can be learned from it?

palooka sez.... to all of us, and for whatever it might be worth to any of us... lessons from Universe come in strange packages made manifest in forms that reflect the unseen role denial is playing as the very forces underlying the lessons. They are both personal and collective (micro/macro) in nature and thus often contain what may appear as contradictory clues. Ie, it's black vs white. Or, black appears white. Or, what's good for one goose my be bad for another goose. Or, what's good for the goose ain't necessarily good for the gander. Or, or, or...

There is but one underlying agenda in this dynamic – a dynamic of energetic interactions fundamental to the perfection of creation and the preservation of it since it, at it's very core, IS a fail safe dynamic - which is an experience or experiences from which to clear those very denials that led to the nature of the experiences being made manifest in form. Simply put, just apply the laws of attraction and one can begin to see the unseen.

Which is just another way of sayin'.... ya can fool the other guy and u can surely fool yerself but ya can't fool MommaPappa Nature... as long as this dynamic remains fundamental to manifestation of experiences here on this rock and beyond... and so far it's workin' PDG as witnessed by the fact that we are now seeing a picture of some of the deepest, nastiest of denials percolating to the surface.

Applying this to the alt community we are now seeing a reflection of a community that has NOT learned the lesson that the only way to beat the denial wizard at it's own game is to not play the game. Which is to say the alt community - many of which have absolutely no clue that they've been had – has, as a result, trapped itself by way of its collective denials...

Chess anyone?

Aragorn
15th February 2019, 04:18
I think the forum staff on The One Truth needs to be given special credit and recognition for keeping a level head during these trying times and containing some pretty damaging proto-fascist movements and tendencies from taking hold here. You guys really did a good job and I'm personally very grateful for all that you have done. Sauron has been kicked back to Mordor once again

Yes, yes, yes!!! In a word the mod room ROCKS! And is a testament to the work they each have done for themselves and we at TOT including the TOT platform are the beneficiaries of.

Not to slight any individual in that room but I do want to give a special shout out to Aragorn who, as admin, is left to do the dirty work – putting himself square in the role of becoming the bad guy – with a most astounding display of not only patience and level headedness, but often in an effort that displays that he looks at things from a multitude of angles and points of view that help him to come to decisions - in cohort with the mods - that must be made about the future of this forum.

Oh, I do so much more than that, my friend, much of which our members aren't even remotely aware of. :frantic: As an example of which, have you checked your visitor messages board and PM inbox lately? :eyebrows:


Personally, I don't know how he does it and, over and over again, taking the time and effort to inform in detail, the reasoning behind the decisions.

If the idea were still rattlin' around in my DNA , I would nominate him for sainthood. Which ain't to say he's above human cuz every saint was a human first and humans make mistakes if for no other reason than to learn from whatever are the lesson(s) at hand...

It's my Elven blood ─ I'm after all a Dúnedan, remember? :p And although Dúnedain can and do make mistakes, their Elven blood prevents them from making certain specific mistakes. :)

palooka's revenge
15th February 2019, 05:14
Oh, I do so much more than that, my friend, much of which our members aren't even remotely aware of. :frantic: As an example of which, have you checked your visitor messages board and PM inbox lately? :eyebrows:



It's my Elven blood ─ I'm after all a Dúnedan, remember? :p And although Dúnedain can and do make mistakes, their Elven blood prevents them from making certain specific mistakes. :)

just now as U probably already know since i see your here at the moment. thx for the heads up...:ht:

hear, hear... elves before saints...

Aianawa
15th February 2019, 06:39
Feel you know me well, I wish for you to speak your truth, though it is others truth before yours, you have embraced this your truth, xlent, great, happy for you, now allow me my truth please, would be nice, also when I am 100 % certain this is a hoax ( Q ), please put thread in Hoax box, until then could you be civil and place it where it originally was please as I find it very arrogant that because your truth ( rite or wrong ) dissagress with mine, that you did as you did, maybe just for me, add some good in this new world we have started n created by allowing this evolving me to have the grace of allowing Q in my hope basket till fully proven evil, ta.



I don't think it would be correct to shove the blame for the success of the QAnon hoax off on The Powers That Be™, Vern. That's a cheap shot. The real blame ─ and thus, the responsibility ─ rests with this so-called alternative community itself. Too many people were allowing themselves to be blinded by it ─ yourself included.

The truly scary part of it in my own purview is that these QAnon and Trump fans don't seem to realize that they were essentially all cheering for fascism. There's a thread over at Project Avalon, started by former moderator Dennis Leahy, as an inquiry on how the members there feel about socialism, and it is simply mind-boggling how the vast majority of the members who've been posting on that thread is completely brainwashed in favor of capitalism without being able to see that capitalism inevitably leads to corporatism and thus to fascism, not to mention that none of them even seem to understand that the financial-economical society model is based upon artificial scarcity, and thus that it is by definition evil ─ not exactly something a truly alternative community is supposed to support.

The vast majority of those people doesn't even know what fascism is. They think it's synonymous with the Nazi uniform and the swastika. But Nazism was only one form of fascism ─ and most specifically, it was Adolf Hitler's form of fascism. Fascism is what you get when any given society is in truth ruled by the corporations, with the politicians only being sock puppets for the corporate world. And fascism is also big on nationalism, militarism and machismo ─ all three of which are more ostensibly represented in the USA than in any other nation on the planet.

So with all of those people supporting a closet fascist like Donald Trump and his supposedly military fanboys of the QAnon group, it's not looking good on account of the consciousness level within this so-called alternative community.

But hey, I've been saying this for ages already, and nobody wants to listen when I say it. No, I was accused of censorship, of "stifling freedom of speech" and of "suppressing vital information". Yes, Sir. I'm the Big Bad Admin™ and I have to keep my mouth shut, because ─ or so I've been told again only two days ago ─ I let my ego cloud my judgment. Right.

So if I'm not allowed to speak the truth ─ because freedom of speech seems to pertain only to the advocates of hate speech, not to people who would rather have everyone behave in a civilized manner, or to people who manage a forum ─ then the only thing I can still do is sit back and watch you guys ram your stubborn heads right into that wall yet another time. And the sad part is that within two weeks, you'll all have forgotten about this umpteenth fiasco again, and you will already be prepping yourselves again for when the next hoaxer comes along. Because that's how it works within this so-called alternative community.

On the upside, I'm glad that not everyone at The One Truth was cheering for the fascists, and that as staff members, we were able to stay on top of it. It did take a lot of effort and a lot of patience ─ you guys really have no idea ─ and perhaps I should have brought that ban hammer out a little sooner, but at least we were able to keep it contained. There is no place for Sauron or Saruman in the Shire, and Orcs should go back to Mordor, where they belong.





https://i.gifer.com/VP3M.gif

Aragorn
15th February 2019, 07:23
Feel you know me well, I wish for you to speak your truth, though it is others truth before yours, you have embraced this your truth, xlent, great, happy for you, now allow me my truth please, would be nice, also when I am 100 % certain this is a hoax ( Q ), please put thread in Hoax box, until then could you be civil and place it where it originally was please as I find it very arrogant that because your truth ( rite or wrong ) dissagress with mine, that you did as you did, maybe just for me, add some good in this new world we have started n created by allowing this evolving me to have the grace of allowing Q in my hope basket till fully proven evil, ta.

First of all, Vern, you are conflating truth with a belief system. Everyone can have their own belief system, but when it comes to situations such as this one, it is the facts that determine what the truth is, not what one wishes to believe. And the facts have already repeatedly shown that the whole QAnon thing is ─ as the quoted article higher up stated ─ a hoax and a LARP ("live-action role-playing"). There is no denying that, especially since it would be quite a stretch of anybody's common sense to believe that proto-fascists could or would ever be heroes.

Secondly, you may call it arrogance that we choose to keep this and other QAnon threads in the Proven Hoaxes & Misinformation category, but this is not about you, okay? There is plenty of stuff out on the forum that doesn't reside within this category yet because the jury is still out on those things and the cases are often too old to still be able to dig up any substantiation or rebuttal. But in this case here, then even if you look past the self-contradictory nature of the belief that Donald J. Trump and QAnon would somehow be heroes, the evidence has been supplied, and it is irrefutable.

As a forum, The One Truth owes it to all our readers ─ whether they are members here or not ─ that we would point out when certain information has been proven false, so that people stop chasing wild geese. You are not going to make the world a better place by dreaming of heroes who are going to save us all, least of all when your heroes are actually closet fascists.

And you are not the only one looking at this thread. People who are not members here are looking at it too, hoping to come to the truth of the matter. So whether you accept the truth or not ─ and I repeat: there is a difference between the truth and a belief system ─ it would be wrong to lead people to believe that there is any truth in this whole QAnon fiasco.

Lastly, since you are calling me arrogant, let me just say this: there is a reason as to why I was selected to be the administrator here and why you were not, and that reason is that I've got both of my feet on the ground.

Don't take your infatuation with Sauron's One Ring out on me, Vern. You were stung by a Nazgûl with a Morgul blade and the poison is still in your blood. You've become addicted to it, and now you're taking it out on me that you can't have your fix anymore. Well guess what, you still can, on the "Park here" thread. You can continue posting your silly QAnon worship videos there until your supply runs out. But they are all going to remain under the Proven Hoaxes & Misinformation forum.

You have only got your silly dream of a beautiful society run by fascists (:shocked:) to worry about, but I've got a forum to run, and I care about the truth, not about phantasms.



:wiz:


This so-called alternative community needs to grow up, and quite desperately so.

Aianawa
15th February 2019, 07:46
Boolocks imo, just being matters, allowing others their truth-opinion-being-truth more than matters as it is why the forum exists.

pathetic facts from what I have watched, some obviousely so, Q lives till the weres stop attacking it imo.

As for your secondly, past piss poor n imo we have to provide grace, allow hope, give others their choices, know our own stubborns, own sillies, own dupies.

Aragorn
15th February 2019, 07:48
Boolocks imo, just being matters, allowing others their truth-opinion-being-truth more than matters as it is why the forum exists.

No, Vern, it's not. There are other forums out there where people can indulge in fantasies.

Gio
15th February 2019, 07:48
Feel you know me well, I wish for you to speak your truth, though it is others truth before yours, you have embraced this your truth, xlent, great, happy for you, now allow me my truth please, would be nice, also when I am 100 % certain this is a hoax ( Q ), please put thread in Hoax box, until then could you be civil and place it where it originally was please as I find it very arrogant that because your truth ( rite or wrong ) dissagress with mine, that you did as you did, maybe just for me, add some good in this new world we have started n created by allowing this evolving me to have the grace of allowing Q in my hope basket till fully proven evil, ta.

Don't feel to bad Vern ...

Over at the Project Bill forum - the forum placed one of fav's (guru channels) Teal Swan into a hoaxer bin/thread ... After posting Teal's content on several of my ongoing threads there - I find her weekly video talks commendable.

Remember, She is only speak/packaging (already) known and well received written/practices in Western spirituality ... I've always admired her ability to (seemingly and effortlessly) deliver and convey it all so concisely in a short formats ...

I have to say though, every time i hear her make that very strange nervous giggle/laugh ... well ...

My notion is - she reminds me of the human hybrid type ...

and i've met a few those in my travel/circles ...

giggle :)

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/8eHVH3iuRig/maxresdefault.jpg

Aianawa
15th February 2019, 07:50
Imo she be a massssive human hero, incredible lady, we have good taste Gio giggle giggle lol

Aianawa
15th February 2019, 08:04
FFS it is okay to be wrong, incorrect, it is very human. I am enjoying the ride, the experience/s, being told NOPE not allowed to play because others may play the game also, be hurt, duped etc, me feeling naughty now , how to avoid offending people n members who have been faked, had hope cancelled, stepped on set up poo, gosh maybe create a don't hurt me section pah n PAH



First of all, Vern, you are conflating truth with a belief system. Everyone can have their own belief system, but when it comes to situations such as this one, it is the facts that determine what the truth is, not what one wishes to believe. And the facts have already repeatedly shown that the whole QAnon thing is ─ as the quoted article higher up stated ─ a hoax and a LARP ("live-action role-playing"). There is no denying that, especially since it would be quite a stretch of anybody's common sense to believe that proto-fascists could or would ever be heroes.

Secondly, you may call it arrogance that we choose to keep this and other QAnon threads in the Proven Hoaxes & Misinformation category, but this is not about you, okay? There is plenty of stuff out on the forum that doesn't reside within this category yet because the jury is still out on those things and the cases are often too old to still be able to dig up any substantiation or rebuttal. But in this case here, then even if you look past the self-contradictory nature of the belief that Donald J. Trump and QAnon would somehow be heroes, the evidence has been supplied, and it is irrefutable.

As a forum, The One Truth owes it to all our readers ─ whether they are members here or not ─ that we would point out when certain information has been proven false, so that people stop chasing wild geese. You are not going to make the world a better place by dreaming of heroes who are going to save us all, least of all when your heroes are actually closet fascists.

And you are not the only one looking at this thread. People who are not members here are looking at it too, hoping to come to the truth of the matter. So whether you accept the truth or not ─ and I repeat: there is a difference between the truth and a belief system ─ it would be wrong to lead people to believe that there is any truth in this whole QAnon fiasco.

Lastly, since you are calling me arrogant, let me just say this: there is a reason as to why I was selected to be the administrator here and why you were not, and that reason is that I've got both of my feet on the ground.

Don't take your infatuation with Sauron's One Ring out on me, Vern. You were stung by a Nazgûl with a Morgul blade and the poison is still in your blood. You've become addicted to it, and now you're taking it out on me that you can't have your fix anymore. Well guess what, you still can, on the "Park here" thread. You can continue posting your silly QAnon worship videos there until your supply runs out. But they are all going to remain under the Proven Hoaxes & Misinformation forum.

You have only got your silly dream of a beautiful society run by fascists (:shocked:) to worry about, but I've got a forum to run, and I care about the truth, not about phantasms.



:wiz:


This so-called alternative community needs to grow up, and quite desperately so.

Aragorn
15th February 2019, 09:02
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Emil El Zapato
15th February 2019, 12:02
I think you both have very legitimate opinions...Of course, I would with my Libra rising. I will say knowing how 'good' a person Aianawa is that it has caused me some distress that he resonates with the dark side...Some would say that it was an attack on his person/goodness.

Aianawa
16th February 2019, 22:59
It can be very difficult to take sides for me and also very difficult not to take sides at times also, do me best to sit in the middle but.

Elen
17th February 2019, 06:16
It can be very difficult to take sides for me and also very difficult not to take sides at times also, do me best to sit in the middle but.

I can only speak for myself, Vern...I love you just the way you are! Be your own loving self...you know what I mean.

Aianawa
2nd February 2020, 03:46
So many realities >


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwi3kD-jJn0&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR1Tlgl7MX440DKWZqgCBmc_uCNyYaJW2vYZ-GRRW2IbkzhLFQr2nKNOgfg

Emil El Zapato
2nd February 2020, 18:34
this is beside the point but he should cite his history better. the money that went to iranians was confiscated iranian money that was returned as part of the nuclear arms negotiation. This is a big part of walking talking language spouter problem. How can we as a pepoes ever get to the point of belief when we are immersed in info that is interspersed with misinformation? Answer, we can't by listening to such as these.

Aianawa
1st April 2020, 03:22
Lol who wishes to debate in a Hoax thread ?.

Stem all one truths ?

May be time to let others have their one truths without hindering from other one truths ?.

Emil El Zapato
1st April 2020, 13:50
Hi Aianawa,

Many can surely debate whether or not it IS a proven hoax?

Aianawa
3rd April 2020, 22:14
https://banned.video/watch?id=5e86a1d74ccab80038e41c90

Wind
19th August 2020, 01:40
gMcJGnypBuQ

Aianawa
19th August 2020, 05:57
As Moddy said, this explains Q n opposite so very well >


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gzl7PRlLgk8&feature=emb_logo

Aragorn
20th August 2020, 15:40
The following is an article posted in the members-only section at Project Avalon by PA member Kryztian. It's an article written by Caitlin Johnstone (https://caitlinjohnstone.com/), an independent Australian journalist.





"I write against QAnon periodically for the exact same reason I write against the plutocratic media: it's an obvious propaganda construct designed to manufacture support for the status quo among people who otherwise would not support it. It presents itself as an exciting movement where the little guy is finally rising up and throwing off the chains of the tyrannical forces which have been exploiting and oppressing us, yet in reality all it's doing is telling a discontented sector of the population to relax and "trust the plan" and put all their faith in the leader of the US government.

And that's exactly what makes QAnon so uniquely toxic. It's not just that it gets people believing false things which confuse and alienate them, it's that it's a fake, decoy imitation of what a healthy revolutionary impulse would look like. It sells people on important truths that they already intuitively know on some level, like the untrustworthiness of the mass media, that the official elected US government aren't really the ones calling the shots, and that we need a great awakening. It takes those vital, truthful, healthy revolutionary impulses, then twists them around into support for the United States president and the agendas of the Republican Party.

And now literally any time I speak out against Trump doing something self-evidently horrible like orchestrating the extradition of Julian Assange or assassinating Iran's top military official, I get QAnon adherents in the comments section telling me to "relax" and "trust the plan" because this is actually a brilliant strategic maneuver against the deep state. Any argument against any longstanding evil Fox News Republican agenda that Trump advances has a widely promulgated explanation for why it's actually good and beneficial among the QAnon crowd.

A healthy impulse to fight the power is twisted into support for the most unconscionable aspects of the ruling power establishment. You see healthy impulses twisted and corrupted like this all the time, all across the political spectrum. The healthy impulse to fight racism and bigotry is twisted into support for the warmongering, oppressive and exploitative Democratic Party which is nothing but destructive toward the populations it pretends to protect. The healthy impulse to defend the helpless and fight tyranny is railroaded into support for acts of regime change [disguised as] "humanitarian" interventionism."

donk
20th August 2020, 15:44
You catch this yesterday?

GNI553Np__k

Emil El Zapato
20th August 2020, 15:51
Trump is overfilled with doodoo ... he's a walking, talking doodoo pile.

Aragorn
20th August 2020, 16:00
You catch this yesterday?

GNI553Np__k


Well, I caught it today, Bro. Aianawa posted it elsewhere on the forum (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/13554-QAnon-groups-hit-by-Facebook-crackdown?p=842027354&viewfull=1#post842027354) today.

Aianawa
21st August 2020, 06:16
He answered perfectly, is a movie to sit back n watch n enjoy now, all is purrrfect indeed.

Emil El Zapato
22nd August 2020, 10:40
It actually does have a very religious cult feel to it ... I'm speechless, but not thoughtless

declas is short for d*ckless.

Wind
23rd August 2020, 11:44
Crackpots unite.

iSFmtszrB74

Emil El Zapato
23rd August 2020, 12:11
Republicans have only one act left in their play ... destroy it all.

Wind
3rd September 2020, 01:00
8XsaFuEXRV4

Emil El Zapato
3rd September 2020, 13:51
I can't take it anymore ... really ...

Aragorn
3rd September 2020, 14:18
I can't take it anymore ... really ...

We do have a "thread ignore" system, you know. ;) It's right below the "subscribe" option. ↓



http://users.telenet.be/stryder/The_One_Truth/HowTo/How_to_subscribe_to_a_thread_in_vBulletin.jpeg

Emil El Zapato
3rd September 2020, 14:47
lol, well, i might use it if I thought that would change the world. But, I don't think it will. Running and hiding might be a viable solution, unfortunately, in most cases that is not my style ... :) It's makes me even more fidgety.

Emil El Zapato
3rd September 2020, 15:11
I'm really not use to bulging eyed madness on a large scale.

Aragorn
3rd September 2020, 16:05
I'm really not use to bulging eyed madness on a large scale.

Well, then you had better get used to it, because things are not going to improve any day soon. This planet is a madhouse. :facepalm:

Emil El Zapato
3rd September 2020, 16:11
That wins the 'Understatement of the Day' award. It is a madhouse, no joke. Something is desperately wrong. It isn't even entertaining at this point. The 'disease' has spread like the fake Covid-19. Something is very desperately wrong. I'm starting to believe we ARE in the matrix and the AI entities in control have decided it might be more fun to just remove all programming constraints. I guess this is what humanity has been b*tching about for quite some time. As Strother Martin, said, "If that's the way youse wants it, well, that's the way youse gets it.

Aragorn
3rd September 2020, 16:34
That wins the 'Understatement of the Day' award. It is a madhouse, no joke. Something is desperately wrong. It isn't even entertaining at this point. The 'disease' has spread like the fake Covid-19. Something is very desperately wrong. I'm starting to believe we ARE in the matrix and the AI entities in control have decided it might be more fun to just remove all programming constraints. I guess this is what humanity has been b*tching about for quite some time. As Strother Martin, said, "If that's the way youse wants it, well, that's the way youse gets it.

Now you're starting to sound like Dumpster Diver. :ttr:

Emil El Zapato
3rd September 2020, 17:11
I'm starting to feel like him too ... it's just crazy ... here in the good ol' USofA. It might not be the same for you.

I was watching Noam Chomsky last night ... his comments that the right is suicidal and his no comment on Jordan Peterson (essentially discounted him as an 'intellectual') were validating for me. He made one other comment that gave me pause though. He defended a holocaust denier stating that the right exists to spake the word of god without repercussions. He cited the American genocide as not a persona-non-grata subject. Interesting, it gave me pause, after all, he is considered one of the most knowledgeable social intellects on the planet, but in the end I decided I had to give it some serious thought. I fully expect to end up disagreeing with him. He was a bit flippant with his response on the subject. :)

Emil El Zapato
3rd September 2020, 22:31
hey Frank, how is yo' buddy TargetT ... lol ...

I can see you have your work cut out for you... sincere good luck ... you could singlehanded move the, what is it, the ooo nosphere back to balance.

Aragorn
3rd September 2020, 22:51
hey Frank, how is yo' buddy TargetT ... lol ...

I can see you have your work cut out for you... sincere good luck ... you could singlehanded move the, what is it, the ooo nosphere back to balance.

That is off-topic for this thread, but yes, I am running into the knee-jerking crowd over there. That was not what I was expecting when I posted that thread, but alas... :unsure:

I think it won't be long anymore before I abandon that thread. I don't have time for that kind of nonsense. :frusty:

Octopus Garden
5th September 2020, 01:33
You did a masterful job on the bradykinin covid story thread, Frank. You can reason rings around the brightest contributors. Honestly, PA has turned into the stupid show, starring exomatrix, Luke Holiday, etc... They are so damn thick, I am surprised they didn't take one look at the word, bradykinin and do a Roseanne Rosanadanna on you.

"Brady what? Brady kin? Isn't it the 'Brady Bunch'? What do Marsha and Greg and Florence Henderson have to do with covid?":blink:

Some people are just dumb, God bless 'em, but others are wilfully stupid because they enjoy all the drama it whips up. As if this vast universe and all the crazy ass things that are actually happening aren't enough. I don't post there anymore.

Octopus Garden
5th September 2020, 01:48
I'm starting to feel like him too ... it's just crazy ... here in the good ol' USofA. It might not be the same for you.

I was watching Noam Chomsky last night ... his comments that the right is suicidal and his no comment on Jordan Peterson (essentially discounted him as an 'intellectual') were validating for me. He made one other comment that gave me pause though. He defended a holocaust denier stating that the right exists to spake the word of god without repercussions. He cited the American genocide as not a persona-non-grata subject. Interesting, it gave me pause, after all, he is considered one of the most knowledgeable social intellects on the planet, but in the end I decided I had to give it some serious thought. I fully expect to end up disagreeing with him. He was a bit flippant with his response on the subject. :)

The philosphical underpinnings of free speech are very similar to those that inform the cult of 'personal responsibility' that you outlined so well. If the idea of holocaust denialism is unable to pull itself up by its bootstraps, because automatic limits are put on it, it's full social cultural expression remains unrealized, so it's harmless.

As those who have automatic limits to their personal power and autonomy, so does denialism, currently. But...there is no reason that the 'right' people at the right time and in the right place couldn't give it traction, removing all its limits. Then you have a problem. In Canada holocaust denialism is against the law.

Freedom, as a concept is fraught with paradox. People who are obsessed with freedom of speech and all the dangers inherent in limiting it, fail to see the other side of the coin which is as dangerous, depending on the state of the sorld

Wind
5th September 2020, 05:08
I was watching Noam Chomsky last night ... his comments that the right is suicidal and his no comment on Jordan Peterson (essentially discounted him as an 'intellectual')

I saw that and it was quite flippant of him. I like Chomsky a lot, I think he's great, but he has some blindspots too. It's funny that here in Finland on some forums many dummies think that he is bashing America too much. It's funny because I think you can't bash enough the criminal actions of US government.

As I opened my comp this morning, the first headlines here were about Qanon.


The media is already exaggerating Qanon’s influence and popularity. So says Joseph Uscinski, an assistant professor of political science at the University of Miami who specializes in conspiracy theories and Qanon.

According to him, the grouping has cult-like features that can have serious consequences. Repeating wild claims may entice mentally unstable people even into violence.

At worst, focusing on one particular conspiracy theory can make room for something completely new, more dangerous, and more effective in disseminating disinformation.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/aug/18/qanon-america-conspiracy-theory

Times of insanity for sure.

Aianawa
5th September 2020, 06:43
Well, then you had better get used to it, because things are not going to improve any day soon. This planet is a madhouse. :facepalm:

This planet is fastly becoming sane, the slavery and coruption finalllly being found n seen.


That is off-topic for this thread, but yes, I am running into the knee-jerking crowd over there. That was not what I was expecting when I posted that thread, but alas... :unsure:

I think it won't be long anymore before I abandon that thread. I don't have time for that kind of nonsense. :frusty:

What you hitting that red mirror for ?, the heartjerk and/or mindjerk is special indeed especialllly for the kneedy imo.

Emil El Zapato
5th September 2020, 11:17
Hi OG, very well stated, and true ... that was the thing that Chomsky just brushed aside regarding freedom of speech, but I'm sure he is aware.

Emil El Zapato
5th September 2020, 11:32
Amen to that Wind, the world is a true mess.

Wind
5th September 2020, 11:34
Amen to that Wind, the world is a true mess.

When you hit rock bottom, there's only one way left to go, and that's up. We still have some way to reach the rock bottom though.

Emil El Zapato
5th September 2020, 11:48
Hi Wind, <sigh> words out of my mouth. I told my daughter last week the same thing, minus the notion of where the bottom might be.

Fred Steeves
5th September 2020, 18:57
When you hit rock bottom, there's only one way left to go, and that's up.

Not necessarily my friend. Sometimes you hit rock bottom, get sloppy drunk, stumble into the bathtub, and slit your wrists...

Cheers :p

Wind
6th September 2020, 07:52
Well now Fred, that sounds awfully pessimistic!

Aianawa
8th September 2020, 00:47
Posed a good Question, when self destruct arrives by Qetc, what happens for Qers, interesting as self destruct is the protective mechanism, means all is plan anchored while waving, no need for sorry or apoligies as all is very obvious at that stage, we win u n me.

Dreamtimer
9th September 2020, 12:45
Having had some alcoholics in my family who died of that disease, often called hitting rock bottom, I can say that's a harsh statement Fred. True or not.

Wind
14th September 2020, 17:08
Florida Latinos swamped by wild conspiracy theories (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/14/florida-latinos-disinformation-413923)


Miami — George Soros directs a “deep state” global conspiracy network. A Joe Biden win would put America in control of “Jews and Blacks.” The Democratic nominee has a pedophilia problem.

Wild disinformation like this is inundating Spanish-speaking residents of South Florida ahead of Election Day, clogging their WhatsApp chats, Facebook feeds and even radio airwaves at a saturation level that threatens to shape the outcome in the nation’s biggest and most closely contested swing state.

The sheer volume of conspiracy theories — including QAnon — and deceptive claims is already playing a role in stunting Biden’s growth with Latino voters, who make up about 17 percent of the state’s electorate.

“The onslaught has had an effect,” said Eduardo Gamarra, a pollster and director of the Latino Public Opinion Forum at Florida International University.

“It’s difficult to measure the effect exactly, but the polling sort of shows it and in focus groups it shows up, with people deeply questioning the Democrats, and referring to the ‘deep state’ in particular — that there’s a real conspiracy against the president from the inside,” he said. “There’s a strain in our political culture that’s accustomed to conspiracy theories, a culture that’s accustomed to coup d'etats.”

Gamarra, a political science and international relations professor with extensive experience polling in Latin America and Hispanic voters in Florida, pointed to recent large-sample surveys of Latinos in the state and in the Latino-heavy county of Miami-Dade. They showed Biden underperforming with this crucial Democratic leaning segment of the electorate, though he’s still running ahead of President Donald Trump by double digits. The race overall in the state is essentially tied.

Florida’s Latino community is a diverse mix of people with roots across Latin America. There’s a large population of Republican-leaning Cubans in Miami-Dade and a growing number of Democratic-leaning voters with Puerto Rican, Colombian, Nicaraguan, Dominican and Venezuelan heritage in Miami and elsewhere in the state. Many register as independents but typically vote Democratic. Those independents — especially recently arrived Spanish-speakers — are seen as more up for grabs because they’re less tied to U.S. political parties and are more likely than longtime voters to be influenced by mainstream news outlets and social media.

Democrats fear that’s where the role of disinformation and conspiracy theories might prove effective against Biden, because it plants seeds of doubt in an otherwise-Democratic bloc of the electorate that the former vice president needs to win. The net effect would be to depress turnout, possibly enabling Trump to carry a state that is essential to his reelection.

Biden’s struggles can’t all be chalked up to election disinformation. The GOP under Trump mastered social media, especially Facebook use, in 2016 and even Democrats acknowledge that Republicans have made inroads in the aggressive use of WhatsApp encrypted messaging.

At the same time, there has been a rise of Spanish-language conservative media, especially revolving around politics connected to Colombia and Venezuela, that are increasingly showing up in the social media feeds of South Florida’s Latin America diaspora communities. They’re finding common cause with Cuban-Americans, who dominate Spanish-language radio airwaves and have been a bulwark of Republican support in Florida’s otherwise Democratic-leaning and diverse Hispanic communities.

But where radio is easy to hear for all, Facebook is harder to track. And the encrypted messaging system it bought, WhatsApp, is even more difficult.

WhatsApp group chats are widely popular among Latin Americans and other immigrant communities in the U.S. because the app doesn't require a U.S. phone number or specific mobile service provider, making it easy to stay in touch with family abroad via text or voice communication. Group chats within the closed network can easily be created with dozens of people anywhere in the world. Plus, iPhones aren’t as popular in Latin America — meaning iMessage chats are not an option for many.

Political campaigns, social justice movements and support groups have followed along, making WhatsApp a top tool for reaching voters in Latin America and from Latin America.

In South Florida, veteran Latino Democratic strategist Evelyn Pérez-Verdia noticed this summer that the WhatsApp groups dedicated to updates on the pandemic and news for the Colombian and Venezuelan communities became intermittently interspersed with conspiracy theories from videos of far-right commentators or news clips from new Spanish-language sites, like Noticias 24 and PanAm Post, and the YouTube-based Informativo G24 website.

“I’ve never seen this level of disinformation, conspiracy theories and lies,” Pérez-Verdia, who is of Colombian descent, said. “It looks as if it has to be coordinated.”

Republicans say people on both sides of the political aisle are sharing disinformation organically, although they can’t point to similar conspiracy theories espoused by the left. And they accuse Democrats of labeling every opinion or news story they disagree with as disinformation.

For instance, in a Covid WhatsApp chat group, a Republican posted a statement that real Catholics can’t be Democrats, which Pérez-Verdia found objectionable. But the group chat’s founder and administrator, businessman and former Republican Miami-Dade County Commission candidate Alfred Santamaria, said he didn’t ban the comment because he believed people should have freedom of expression.

Still, Santamaria conceded, political toxicity is rising on the platform.

“I see more tension, more fighting, more radicalism. I see a level of tension of people posting for and against the administration,” he said.

Some of the information shared in chat groups and pulled from YouTube and Facebook goes beyond hyperbolic and caustic rhetoric.

On Informativo G24, longtime Colombian news anchor Sandra Valencia brings on guests via webcam for discussions about Latin America and U.S. politics with analysis that often relies on conspiracy theories, such as how Black Lives Matter and other activist groups are planning a “siege” on the White House later this month. The site does not detail who funds it, but asks supporters to donate to a PayPal account registered to Valencia.

Valencia bills her Spanish-language YouTube page, which has more than 378,000 followers, as a channel for geopolitical analysis. But it often resembles English-language right-wing news sources, such as Infowars, sharing conspiracy theories and strong anti-globalization messages.

And unlike the conspiracy theories that circulate in English-language news media and social media, there’s relatively little to no Spanish-language media coverage of the phenomenon nor a political counterpunch from the left.

Some of the disinformation discussed on Informativo G24 has been led by Omar Bula-Escobar, a former United Nations representative and Colombian geopolitical analyst, who in recent years has become a frequent guest on various Latin American radio and television news shows to talk about globalization. Bula-Escobar, who’s also a frequent guest on Miami-based Radio Caracol — which is one of Colombia’s main radio networks and widely respected throughout Latin America — has gained an increasing amount of notoriety for pushing the claim, often seen as anti-Semitic, that billionaire George Soros is “the world’s biggest puppet master” and is the face of the American Democratic Party.

“Who’s going to celebrate the day, God forbid, Trump loses? Cuba; ISIS, which Trump ended; Hezbollah, which Obama gave the greenlight to enter Latin America; Iran; China … All the filth of the planet is against Donald Trump. So, if you want to be part of the filth, then go with the filth,” Bula-Escobar said in a recent episode of Informativo G24.

Other shared content has included a translated clip of Christian conservative pastor John MacArthur claiming there is no pandemic and coronavirus death numbers have been wildly exaggerated.

In June, a Noticias 24, a Venezuela-focused news site that has a large following in Latin America, amplified disinformation with a story bearing the headline “social networks also accuse Joe Biden of being a pedophile.” A month later, when the lie resurfaced, “#BidenPedofilio” trended in Spain.

On Facebook, a Puerto Rican-born pastor Melvin Moya has circulated a video titled “Signs of pedophilia” with doctored videos of Biden inappropriately touching girls at various public ceremonies to a song in the background that says, “I sniffed a girl and I liked it.” The fake video posted on Sept. 1 has received more than 33,000 likes and 2,400 comments.

Much of the shared content cannot be traced to a specific campaign or political organization. Still, fake videos and news stories are being widely shared in Facebook groups offering support for Trump.

And various fake stories across WhatsApp and Facebook claim that Nicolás Maduro’s socialist party in Venezuela and U.S. communist leaders are backing Biden.

“It’s really just a free-for-all now,” said Raúl Martínez, a Democrat who served as mayor of the largely conservative, heavily Cuban-American city of Hialeah for 24 years and is now host of a daily radio show on Radio Caracol. “It’s mind boggling. I started in politics when I was 20. I’ve never seen it like this.”

Martínez, 71, said it has been particularly frustrating to see the prevalence of disinformation in South Florida Spanish-language stations, which many older Latinos in the area still rely on for information.

“When I hear from other stations, they haven’t just sipped the Kool-Aid. They drank the whole thing,” Martínez said.

Radio Caracol, for its part, received unwelcome attention Aug. 22 when it aired 16 minutes of paid programming from a local businesssman who launched into an anti-Black and anti-Semitic rant that claimed a Biden victory would mean that the U.S. would fall into a dictatorship led by “Jews and Blacks.” The commentator claimed that Biden is leading a political revolution “directed by racial minorities, atheists and anti-Christians” and supports killing newborn babies.

When Miami state Sen. Annette Taddeo, a Colombian-American who is also Jewish, heard the programming, she quickly called out the station on Twitter for “the disgusting message, spoken by Trump supporters,” adding that “We all — regardless of parties — have an obligation to repudiate and condemn this pro-Nazi and racist discourse.”

However, the 16-minute program did not receive coverage from local media outlets despite the outwardly racist and xenophobic messaging, a reminder that much of the Spanish-language disinformation and conspiracy theories circulating in South Florida remain unchecked.

Caracol management promptly apologized for the content and said it banned the commentator, local businessman Jorge Gonzalez, from the airwaves. A Caracol spokesman said Gonzalez had initially purchased the radio time to talk about business, not politics, let alone racist politics. Gonzalez couldn’t be reached for comment.

Then, on Friday, the editor of the Spanish-language sister paper of The Miami Herald, El Nuevo Herald, publicly apologized for its own paid-media scandal after running a publication called “Libre” as a newspaper insert that attacked Black Lives Matter and trafficked in anti-Semitic views.

"What kind of people are these Jews? They're always talking about the Holocaust, but have they already forgotten Kristallnacht, when Nazi thugs rampaged through Jewish shops all over Germany? So do the BLM and Antifa, only the Nazis didn't steal; they only destroyed,” the ad insert said.

The publication said it's suspending its relationship with Libre.

Conspiracy theories — especially revolving around QAnon, which posits that Trump is fighting a global cabal of satanic pedophiles — are spreading across Spanish-language radio in Miami as well, said Roberto Tejera, a political independent who has a show on Actualidad Radio. Tejera said QAnon is a constant on another station, La Poderosa, whose station management also did not respond to messages seeking comment.

“It’s not right wing. I don’t have a problem with right-wing stuff. It’s QAnon stuff. This is conspiracy theory. This goes beyond. This is new. This is a new phenomenon in Spanish speaking radio. We Cubans are not normal,” Tejera laughed, “but this is new. This is crazy. This is f---ing crazy.”

Emil El Zapato
14th September 2020, 20:12
now there's a huge surprise. I was listening yesterday on Lamestream media that my assessment of cuban latinos was accurate, but they threw in Nicaraguans, Venezuelans etc. Any of those that have lived in leftist leaning authoritarian regimes. They prefer Trump because he's such a sweet, sweet guy. No, not really ... it's more of a case of the voters being bamboozled into believing that Trump is vociferously anti-socialism. Which, in truth, he may be given his penchant for torturous manipulation of capitalism. And those voters FEAR and HATE that 'memory'.

Not to mention the bombardment of 'fake news' (known in rightward circles as the 'Gospel') coming from 'his' servants and right authoritarian regimes whom shall go unnamed.

That's what i've been getting at for the last few weeks, I cannot stand lying and even less, outright manipulative propaganda. My feelings would not be so strong, if I didn't know that so many people can't resist it. It is the thing that sticks in my craw like broken glass.

I was listening to an expert in Genocide and he said he surely recognized that Qanon is a reincarnation of the 3rd Reich propaganda. Not a big surprise there either. This is no joke for literally anybody in the world!

Aianawa
14th September 2020, 21:40
Much fear around Q, lotsa fear around silly people/s listening to Q, strange times, being empowered after not knowing one was bound or bonded or enslaved ?

Dreamtimer
17th September 2020, 13:14
Fear is the name of the game. It's sad when that becomes the last best resort. Trump can't appeal to latinos with human rights or dignity because of how he's spoken of them and treated them at the borders and in the concentration camps.

So he has to use scary socialist rhetoric.

It's all he's got.

Emil El Zapato
17th September 2020, 13:29
It's actually less than that, DT ... Trump only has his paranoid fantasies to sell. I guess the market is good because he is still here.

Dreamtimer
17th September 2020, 13:30
...market is good...

That's funny and sad.

Emil El Zapato
17th September 2020, 13:31
it's worse than that DT, it is tragically self-destructive. :)

Wind
28th September 2020, 23:52
"It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled." ~ Mark Twain

Aianawa
29th September 2020, 06:50
Totally Wind totally.

Most people Q involved know that soon Q will self destroy, this is hugely important apparently, so why will Q not be needed ?.

Emil El Zapato
29th September 2020, 12:32
since debate moderators will not fact check Trump, if i was prepping Biden, i would advise at the start of the debate Biden state that everytime Trump goes into fantasy land that he will simply say, "Taxes" and then respond.

Aianawa
30th September 2020, 03:40
Was a terrible debate.

Dreamtimer
1st October 2020, 13:56
Not sure it qualifies as a debate. The definition of debate cannot be well applied here. There needs to be a back and forth. Not a bulldozing from one or another debater.

Gish Gallops (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop) are for folks who have weak positions. (or none at all of substance)

Emil El Zapato
2nd October 2020, 01:08
the other night watching the debate, there was a panel of 'undecided voters' ... I swear one of them was the actress that played Dr. Jennifer Melfi on the Sopranos (Tony's shrink) ... It has to be a false flag sitchiyasin.

Aianawa
7th October 2020, 20:45
Lol no allowed to debate Q anymore some say lol, must be close to self destruct for Q very soon.

Dreamtimer
7th October 2020, 21:29
Q will just rebrand itself. Followers gonna follow.

Aianawa
7th October 2020, 22:49
Ask aLice >


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl89g2SwMh4


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO7DiYjgfRs

ThankKU

Emil El Zapato
8th October 2020, 11:39
I watched about 45 minutes of the debate last night. I haven't checked to see who 'won' the debate. A debate by definition is a forum for advanced sententious sophistry (to quote Modwiz), in a word it's a game with only a modicum of holds barred. In terms of articulate factual argument versus empty rhetoric, Harris slammed Pence to the pavement.

Dreamtimer
8th October 2020, 11:48
Neither Pence nor Trump will commit to peaceful transfer of power. Neither cares a whit about the Constitution.

Emil El Zapato
8th October 2020, 12:01
It's one of the weird facts of life. Liars lie, truth tellers tell truth. One of the fundamental tenets of our social contract is to be truthful. Non-truth is an analog of all the worst aspects of civilization, it unbalances the playing field, it gives unfair advantage over and beyond basic righteousness. It is slavery, it is theft, it is murder of the spirit and body, it is degradation of human dignity, it is the definition of sheeple-izing.

And some of us love it. Not me!

Wind
8th October 2020, 15:26
The fly won. It's an omen, I tell ya. Or perhaps a russian spy? Hillary lost when a fly landed on her!

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Emil El Zapato
8th October 2020, 16:03
that's funny ... but it is also a symbol of the demonic ... just sayin'

Dreamtimer
8th October 2020, 17:17
How does a fly do a mic drop?