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turiya
19th October 2018, 01:43
Midterm Elections - Its do or die for the Deep State - The Dems need to take back the House, otherwise its GITMO for many.

True Pundit News:

Comey Donates Maximum Amount to Democratic Challenger in Virginia House Race


The Deep State worried as hell & is on the Run...


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Comey donates maximum amount to Democratic challenger in Virginia House race

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Former FBI Director James Comey donated the maximum legal amount to Democratic candidate Jennifer Wexton as she campaigns to unseat vulnerable Virginia Rep. Barbara Comstock (R) in November.
Comey donated $2,700 to Wexton’s campaign in September as the Virginia Democrat continues to gain momentum in the state’s hotly-contested 10th congressional district race, Federal Election Commission filings show.
The former FBI head has traditionally donated to Republican campaigns, including Mitt Romney’s 2012 presidential campaign and John McCain’s presidential campaign in 2008.
truepundit.com (https://truepundit.com/comey-donates-maximum-amount-to-democratic-challenger-in-virginia-house-race/)

3:45 PM - 17 Oct 2018 (https://twitter.com/Thomas1774Paine/status/1052691999869022208)



Mueller Holding Back the Russian Probe Report to Save Democrats from Huge Embarrassment before Midterms



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Mueller Holding Back the Russian Probe Report to Save Democrats from Huge Embarrassment before Midterms

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The Mueller Report is complete. But Mueller has decided to hold on to it.
Any guesses as to why the hottest report on the planet, a report taxpayers have paid over $20 million at this point must be delayed until AFTER the midterms? Can’t think of anything?
Honestly, how does a man with major conflicts of interests report on himself? Further, when your investigation yields absolutely nothing against the target in more than a year, yet a treasure trove of information against his opponents is amassed, well you should slow-walk the report.
And that’s just what Mueller is doing.
truepundit.com (https://truepundit.com/mueller-holding-back-the-russian-probe-report-to-save-democrats-from-huge-embarrassment-before-midterms/)

12:23 PM - 17 Oct 2018 (https://twitter.com/Thomas1774Paine/status/1052641226195984384)


Pelosi: Having Gavel Will Give Me ‘Leverage’ over Trump



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Pelosi: Having Gavel Will Give Me ‘Leverage’ over Trump

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House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-ca) Said On Tuesday That Regaining Her Speakership Will Give Her Leverage In Her Conversations With President Donald Trump And Will Make “all The Difference In The World” When Negotiating On Issues Like Amnesty And Gun Control.
truepundit.com ( https://truepundit.com/pelosi-having-gavel-will-give-me-leverage-over-trump/)

12:01 PM - 18 Oct 2018 (https://twitter.com/Thomas1774Paine/status/1052998050711367680 )

turiya
19th October 2018, 03:41
Project Veritas on The Midterm Elections: What goes on behind the scenes... Tennessee & Missouri...

Project Veritas - Midterm: (Tenn) "We don't say that out of these walls." Bredesen Staff Says He Is Lying About Kavanaugh Vote
(Oct 10, 2018)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9bjb46FtG0
Description:


Project Veritas Action Fund has released a second undercover video from campaigns during this 2018 election season. This report exposes Tennessee staffers from Phil Bredesen's U.S. Senate campaign revealing his willingness to court moderate voters through deceit. This was especially evidenced by Bredesen's recent statement suggesting he would, if he was already in the Senate, vote to confirm now Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh.
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McCaskill (Missouri) Hides Agenda from Voters, "semi-automatic rifle ban"
(Oct 15, 2018)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Doh0d78lin4

McCaskill Campaign "Essentially" Lies to Get Elected; Campaign Hides PPFA Contributions
(Oct 16, 2018)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuFCpIjasC0

Claire McCaskill Responds to FIRST Undercover Video on Local News
(Oct 16, 2018)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlJw0ssWGVw

PART 2: McCaskill Campaign Hides Planned Parenthood Contributions "to get the moderate voters"
(Oct 17, 2018)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=282&v=iPFE9jTByBE

James O'Keefe: McCaskill's Response is Outrageous
(Oct 17, 2018)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4L9_RwYb9GA

turiya
19th October 2018, 04:17
X22Report: Episode 1691 - Another Flip, Trump Preparing The Masses, More Carpet Bombs On The Way

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Click on Image to Listen to the mp3 file.
(Oct 16, 2018)

Podcast: Play in new window (http://newzsentinel.com/x22report_mp3/episode_1691.mp3) | Download (http://newzsentinel.com/x22report_mp3/episode_1691.mp3) (Duration: 39:36 — 41.1MB)

NOTE: Youtube temporarily took down the videos ==> CENSORSHIP

Description:


US job opening hits a record high, 1.2 million job vacancies. The statistical information is so far from reality right now, if this was true we would see wages sky rocketing, but we don’t. The American people are not keeping up with the inflation, from last year to this year wages have gone up .5%. Peter Schiff warns of another recession. Trump confirms that plan, right on schedule.

Trump lays into Senator Warren, the DNA test is backfiring and the Native Americans are agreeing with Trump, Warren is not Native American. More evidence has come out that McCabe leaked information. Wolfe has been brought up on charges, these charges are for lying to the FBI, but behind the scenes he most likely flipped and it testifying on all the others who put him up to leaking the FISA document. Trump tells Honduras if you continue with the deep state policy funding will be cutoff.

(Of specific interest to the Deep State): The Mockingbird MSM is pushing their narrative that Saudi Arabia is responsible for Khashoggi disappearance, they want them to come out & admit it, Trump says it could be rogue elements. The deep state is trying to push their agenda. Deep state tries to block peace talks in Afghanistan. Libya getting ready for elections, and a political solution is coming for Syria. Trump tweet more bread to get the American people ready for the declass, more carpet bombs on the way.
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Geopolitical/Police State
The Khashoggi Disappearance

Khashoggi family denies issuing statement (https://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/saudi-arabia/khashoggi-family-denies-issuing-statement-1.2290599?utm_source=Feeds&utm_medium=RSS&utm_campaign=Khashoggi)

‘We refuse the exploitation of our name to target Saudi Arabia’


Dubai: The family of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi on Tuesday said that they rejected all attempts to use its name to attack Saudi Arabia and target its reputation.
“The men and women of the Khashoggi family are all loyal to the country and utterly refuse to use or exploit the name of the family in an agenda seeking to harm Saudi Arabia,” Sultan, Jamal’s son, posted on his Twitter account.

Source: gulfnews.com

Russia welcomes Turkey-Saudi investigation into Khashoggi case (https://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/Russia-welcomes-Turkey-Saudi-investigation-into-Khashoggi-case-569543)

Russia welcomes agreement between Turkey and Saudi Arabia to hold a joint investigation into the case of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov
Russia hopes that the results of this investigation will be made public,

Source: jpost.com

Are they covering tracks up? Twitter abuzz after footage of “cleaners” entering Saudi consulate (https://www.rt.com/news/441336-cleaners-saudi-consulate-journalist/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=RSS)

A video of people with mops and buckets, entering the Saudi Arabia’s consulate in Istanbul hours before investigators of Jamal Khashoggi’s disappearance were to go there has prompted concerns and speculations.


The footage showed two women and a man delivering cleaning gear through the front door of the Saudi diplomatic mission under the supervision of a guard.
They entered the building on the day when a team of investigators, put together by Ankara and Riyadh, were to search the consulate where Turkish authorities claim Saudi dissident journalist was killed.
Source: rt.com

Breaking: Some materials have been painted over at Saudi consulate where Khashoggi disappeared (https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/breaking-some-materials-have-been-painted-over-at-saudi-consulate-where-khashoggi-disappeared/)

Turkey’s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan says some materials in Saudi consulate in Istanbul were painted over.

Source: almasdarnews.com

Turkey Finds ‘Evidence’ Missing Journalist Was Killed Inside Saudi Consulate: AP (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-16/turkey-finds-evidence-missing-journalist-was-killed-inside-saudi-consulate-ap?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+zerohedge%2Ffeed+%28zero+hedg e+-+on+a+long+enough+timeline%2C+the+survival+rate+fo r+everyone+drops+to+zero%29)

The MSM is reporting the following


A high-level Turkish official says police have found “certain evidence” during their search of the Saudi Consulate showing that Saudi writer Jamal Khashoggi was killed there.
The official did not provide details on the evidence that was recovered during the hourslong search at the diplomatic mission that ended early Tuesday.
The official spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly about the investigation.

Turkey said the Saudis have not admitted to their role in Khashoggi’s death, contrary to media reports.

Source: zerohedge.com

Saudi Arabian prince opponents may be involved in journalist’s disappearance, expert says (http://tass.com/world/1026267)

There is a “violent struggle for power within the royal family” to undermine him, v said


Opponents of Saudi Arabian Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman may be involved the disappearance of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi,
Trump also mention rogue killers

Source: /tass.com

X22Report.com (https://x22report.com/another-flip-trump-preparing-the-masses-more-carpet-bombs-on-the-way-episode-1691/)

turiya
19th October 2018, 04:44
Limbaugh on Khashoggi: ‘Where Was This Concern for Our Ambassador and Three Other Men Brutally Murdered in Benghazi?’



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Limbaugh on Khashoggi: ‘Where Was This Concern for Our Ambassador and Three Other Men Brutally Murdered in Benghazi?’

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1052464064050462721/eMDexyvi?format=jpg&name=600x314 (https://truepundit.com/limbaugh-on-khashoggi-where-was-this-concern-for-our-ambassador-and-three-other-men-brutally-murdered-in-benghazi/) Limbaugh on Khashoggi: ‘Where Was This Concern for Our Ambassador and Three Other Men Brutally Murdered in Benghazi?’
Wednesday on his nationally syndicated radio show, conservative talker Rush Limbaugh compared the situation involving journalist Jamal Khashoggi, who was allegedly brutally killed at a Saudi Arabian consulate in Turkey, to that of the tragedy of September 11, 2012 at the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi that resulted in the deaths of J. Christopher Stevens and three other Americans.

"Ladies and gentlemen, I have a question. I continue to get emails about the so-called Washington Post journalist, Jamal Khashoggi. My question is a really rather simple one: Where was this concern for our ambassador and three other men brutally murdered in Benghazi? Somebody explain that to me? You realize how much attention is being paid to what… Has it been confirmed….? Did something happen since this program began?"
truepundit.com (https://truepundit.com/limbaugh-on-khashoggi-where-was-this-concern-for-our-ambassador-and-three-other-men-brutally-murdered-in-benghazi/)

12:01 PM - 18 Oct 2018 (https://twitter.com/Thomas1774Paine/status/1053073362866573312)

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Khashoggi - a CIA Asset

Khashoggi Assassination Plot: A Highly Consequential, Complex and Convoluted Conspiracy Unravels (http://themillenniumreport.com/2018/10/khashoggi-assassination-plot-a-highly-consequential-complex-and-convoluted-conspiracy-unravels/)


Khashoggi was a rather shady guy. A ‘journalist’ who was also an operator for Saudi and U.S. intelligence services. He was an early recruit (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/jamal-khashoggis-long-road-to-the-doors-of-the-saudi-consulate/2018/10/12/b461d6f4-ce1a-11e8-920f-dd52e1ae4570_story.html) of the Muslim Brotherhood


Khashoggi helped in the U.S./Saudi/Pakistani project to destabilize Afghanistan. He met and interviewed Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan and Sudan. The man with the RPG in the upper left picture is Jamal Khashoggi himself.




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https://thearabweekly.com/sites/default/files/styles/article_image_800x450_/public/2018-10/ill.jpg?itok=UQsFfXkK (https://thearabweekly.com/looming-tower-jamal-khashoggis-little-known-past-comes-light)


Khashoggi became a protege of (https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2018/10/12/killing-saudi-journalist-khashoggi-could-spell-end-for-mohammad-bin-salman.html) the longtime head of Saudi intelligence, Turki Faisal Al-Saud. He was engaged in several ‘projects’ in Afghanistan, Sudan and Algeria. Khashoggi followed Turki as ‘media advisor’ when he became ambassador in London and later in Washington DC.
Jamal Khashoggi supported the Muslim Brotherhood during the ‘Arab Spring’. This was in line with the Hillary Clinton/Barack Obama supported regime change program for most of the Middle East. After the fall of President Mubarak in Egypt and the election win by the Brotherhood the Saudi rulers feared to be the next in line. They started to finance counter revolutions in Egypt and elsewhere. Under the reign of King Salman and his son the suppression of all aspects of Brotherhood influence intensified. Having lost his protection Khashoggi decided to leave (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/jamal-khashoggis-long-road-to-the-doors-of-the-saudi-consulate/2018/10/12/b461d6f4-ce1a-11e8-920f-dd52e1ae4570_story.html) Saudi Arabia:
Recently Khashoggi started a number of projects (https://apnews.com/02e2e2d9d4a440df99a8e691d34263db) that reek of preparations for a CIA controlled color-revolution in Saudi Arabia:
Khashoggi has an enormous number of friends in Washington DC. Mainstream journalists see him as of one of their own.
Trump is under pressure to ‘do something’, to punish the Saudis and especially MbS.
The Saudis asked Erdogan to accept a “joint investigation” of the Khashoggi case.
First, the murder (or psy-ops staged murder) of Washington Postcolumnist Jamal Khashoggi is part of a move to remove the Zionist/Satanic house of Saud from control of Saudi Arabia and Middle Eastern oil, according to Pentagon and CIA sources. The operation is also aimed at grabbing funds to keep the bankrupt U.S. afloat, CIA sources say.
Source: themillenniumreport.com

Aragorn
19th October 2018, 14:45
You know, I really don't understand it. You single-minded US Republicans and Trump fanboys already have your candidate in the White House. So why do you — i.e. the impersonal "you" — still feel the need to post that ludicrous pro-Trump propaganda everywhere?

Has it perhaps eluded you that your "Lord & Savior" Donald J. Trump is an ego-driven racist who wants to build a wall between the USA and Mexico, that he's nixing every environmental protection act — and has already nixed the Endangered Species Act — in favor of Big Oil™ and Big Coal™, and that he also doesn't have a shred of statesmanship inside of him and would be utterly clueless without his (opinionated) advisers at the level of international politics?

Is this the long-awaited Messiah who's going to lead humanity — which, as you may already have heard somewhere, is comprised of not just the roughly 300 million people living in the USA alone, but also of some 7.1 billion more human beings on (for right-wing US Americans completely unknown) patches of land outside of the borders of the USA — into a prosperous future, where consciousness is elevated, where initiatives are enlightened and where everyone can thrive, instead of only the already abundantly wealthy upper class of socio-economical vampires?



<taking a deep breath>


Anyway, The One Truth aspires to be an adult forum, where almost every kind of subject can be discussed, provided that it is done with intelligence and in all serenity. So if you absolutely want to discuss Donald Trump's politics on yet another thread beside the already large number of existing threads either dedicated to or surreptitiously converted into the discussion of exclusively US-centric matters and equally exclusively US-specific politics, then be my guest. But then at least have the courtesy and respect for this forum by making the subject into a discussion, rather than into a cheerleading propaganda thread with attention-grabbing large-font headers and videos from overtly bigoted YouTube talking heads.

The One Truth is open-minded, but not so open-minded that our brains fall out, and we do have rules and quality standards over here. The rules are flexible, but not infinitely flexible. If you're only here to sell propaganda, then please take it to another forum or to one of the many message boards dedicated to Trump cheerleading.

The One Truth is a discussion forum, and it also attempts to be an online community of people whose ambition it is to look for solutions which rise above the age-old us-versus-them paradigm — we look for the synthesis, instead of aligning ourselves with either the thesis or the antithesis. What The One Truth is not, is a propaganda billboard.

For now, I am going to leave this thread open, so that an intelligent discussion may ensue. If no intelligent discussion ensues here on this thread within the next 48 hours, then I'm going to close it.

You may consider this an official warning, Turiya.

turiya
19th October 2018, 17:46
Political/Rights

Seeing through the Mockingbird MSM propaganda haze & it will become clear that 'We the People' are really not divided. It just takes the eyes to see clearly. But of course, if one chooses to remain dogmatic & steadfast about their beliefs, then blinders will undoubtedly remain in place. Only the ones who wear those blinders can remove them by their own hands.

The Deep State not only is the so-called "military-industrial complex', but it also includes the Rothschild central banking system, the political bought-off politicians that occupy positions on both sides of the political spectrum, the multinational corps that are in positions to reap the mega profits that can be attained for colluding with the darker side that have no real interest in having any positive influence on humanity as a whole. Speaking of the "darker side", Human Trafficking aligns itself with no specific political party, as well.

For example, the Bushes voted for HRC, John 'no-name' McCain had a big hand in the push for this eternal war ongoing conflict in the Balkans & Middle East, along with his traitorous alignment & support for the Syrian rebels - i.e. ISIS. These are clear examples that the Deep State plays its hand on both sides of the political spectrum. Its drug running is about profit - no matter how many people it takes down. Big Pharma plays its part, along with mega corps like Monsanto.

So, I have no idea who it is that is being referred to with the statement above regarding "You Republicans". Again, 'blinders'.

Getting the picture?

Here we have billionaire George Soros playing his part in the Deep State scheme of things.

CONFIRMED: George Soros Funded Fusion GPS; Dirty Dem Money Helped Back Bogus Trump Dossier



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CONFIRMED: George Soros Funded Fusion GPS; Dirty Dem Money Helped Back Bogus Trump Dossier

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1052568172514050051/sWBoTe-g?format=jpg&name=600x314 (https://truepundit.com/limbaugh-on-khashoggi-where-was-this-concern-for-our-ambassador-and-three-other-men-brutally-murdered-in-benghazi/) CONFIRMED: George Soros Funded Fusion GPS; Dirty Dem Money Helped Back Bogus Trump Dossier
A spokesman for left-wing billionaire financier George Soros is acknowledging that he indirectly funded Fusion GPS, the firm behind the Steele dossier
Sources have told The Daily Caller News Foundation in the past that Soros helped fund Fusion’s post-election work on Russian interference in the election process
Soros’ spokesman told The Washington Post that Soros donated to the Democracy Integrity Project, a group founded by a former staffer to Sen. Dianne Feinstein Michael Vachon, the Soros aide, told Washington Post columnist David Ignatius that Soros provided a grant to a nonprofit group called the Democracy Integrity Project.
That organization, which was formed in 2017 by Daniel Jones, a former Senate Intelligence Committee staffer for Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California, paid Fusion GPS as a contractor to continue an investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election. READ MORE:
truepundit.com (https://truepundit.com/george-soros-confirms-he-funded-fusion-gps-dirty-dem-money-helped-back-bogus-trump-dossier/)

8:15 AM - 27 Sep 2018 (https://twitter.com/Thomas1774Paine/status/1053073362866573312)

Now, because the article uses the descriptive terminology - 'left-wing' - for George Soros, if one identifies themselves with either being 'left' or the 'right', then they've fallen into a 'politically correct' rut. One will have to get themselves out of that rut by their own means.

More recently, Soros, as he is doing in the EU, appears to have his fingerprints wrapped around the recent 'caravan' coming out of Honduras. Job security for the American working class should be a concern for every American regardless of political affiliation.


Honduras: Video Shows Women with Children Are Being Given Cash to Join the Caravan to Storm the US Border (https://needtoknow.news/2018/10/honduras-video-shows-women-children-given-cash-join-caravan-storm-us-border/)

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Matt Gaetz shared footage Wednesday showing women and children being paid cash to join the migrant caravan that is hurdling toward the U.S. Southern border.

Gatez suspected that George Soros cash was being used, based on very clear-cut evidence of George Soros involvement in recent political matters including the Brett Kavanaugh confirmation process. (READ: Soros-Funded Group Paying Bail Money For Kavanaugh Protesters). (https://bigleaguepolitics.com/exclusive-soros-funded-group-paying-bail-money-for-arrestees-who-protest-kavanaugh/)

VIDEO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8PGOMJZirc

SOURCE (https://needtoknow.news/2018/10/honduras-video-shows-women-children-given-cash-join-caravan-storm-us-border/)

turiya
19th October 2018, 18:48
Futures Proves Past, Listen To The Past - Episode 1693a
(Oct 18, 2018)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6w8C9LuelQ
Description:


America now believes that the economy is doing well. This is going according to the plan, the people believe that Trump fixed the economy. Now comes the pain for the central banks. Back in 2015 Trump said the economy is false, we are in a bubble, this was because it really is, the central bank is responsible for the economy and the debt problems that plague the world.
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The Sky Is Falling, Panic, Shut It Down At Any Cost, Dead End - Episode 1693b
(Oct 18, 2018)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlKXeqXS-_Y
Description:


Future proves past. We are now seeing leakers being arrested and these leakers are tracking right back to Obama and Clinton and the Mueller investigation. Federal Judge says he was tricked on the Hillary case because information was withheld from him. The deep state is panicking, they know the declas is coming and they need to push their agenda to distract from what has been really going on. They are pushing the narrative of Saudi Arabia to do this, the deep state wants Trump to cutoff all ties to Saudi Arabia and sanction the country to punish it so no investigation into wonderland will ever take place. The deep state wants Trump to listen to the Intelligence groups and provide them with all the information. This is a dead end.
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The above X22Report @ ~7:00 minutes contained a clip from 2015 Face the Nation interview w/ Donald Trump. This was when Trump was just considering running for the GOP side of the political spectrum (he had previously run as a Democrat).

In that clip Trump said, "Its a false economy that we're living in. We're in a bubble."

Now, the person who said that was Trump. And he was talking about the Federal Reserve policy. And back then he was a candidate. So, listen to what he said back in 2015....

Full, extended Donald Trump interview
(Sep 13, 2015)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixCj9TDPmpA
From Dave of X22Report:


"Now back then, when Trump was saying all of this, talking about the false economy & the unemployment numbers, we were saying the same exact thing - that these are manipulated numbers. When he got into office, and he started using the same accounting methods... you know, as unemployment, GDP, the Stock Market...

Alot of people thought, "Oh, wait a minute, Trump before was saying that this was fake. And now, he is saying it is real."

You see, they're misinterpreting what he is actually doing. And people misinterpret a lot of what he does. For example, with North Korea... the news was saying, "He's 'trigger happy'", "We're going to go to war. And, we don't see peace in the cards, whatsoever."

And actually, the opposite happened.

This is how he works. This is what he does.
He convinces everyone that he's doing something else, while in the background, it allows him to do what he really wants to do. And, what the patriots need to do... And that is, to get rid of the central bank.

And, the only way to do this... and remember, the people need to understand & realize that it was the central bank that did this... The central bankers, they've been responsible for much of the misery that is going on in the world today. That it was those individuals that held government - that was in line with the central bank - they're the ones who did this.

So right now, the future is proving the past. He has placed the portrait of Andrew Jackson on the wall in the Oval Office on purpose. (Andrew Jackson took down the central banking system in his day.)

It was an indicator. It was a signal to everyone. "This is what I am going to do!"


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Fred Steeves
19th October 2018, 19:08
For example, the Bushes voted for HRC, John 'no-name' McCain had a big hand in the push for this eternal war ongoing conflict in the Balkans & Middle East, along with his traitorous alignment & support for the Syrian rebels - i.e. ISIS. These are clear examples that the Deep State plays its hand on both sides of the political spectrum. Its drug running is about profit - no matter how many people it takes down. Big Pharma plays its part, along with mega corps like Monsanto.

So, I have no idea who it is that is being referred to with the statement above regarding "You Republicans". Again, 'blinders'.

Aragorn might have been more accurate in referring to it as the Alt Right, as the likes of Bush's and McCains are indeed singled out as well. Then again, whenever you choose to enter Q, the other half of this Alt Right dynamic duo into the equation, it will be seen (as it already has been) that the Alt Right will vote for the "Red Wave" down the card.

Actually that is already apparent right below your above quote with this blaring gem:

CONFIRMED: George Soros Funded Fusion GPS; Dirty Dem Money Helped Back Bogus Trump Dossier

Ah that dirty Dem money, unlike that squeaky clean Republican/Trump money? Speaking of our "Fourth Turning" savior, what is he doing traversing the country full time besides the typical slamming of Democrats, and hailing of Republicans? Politics as usual. So while it's convenient to say the Trump/Q thing isn't a Republican thing, it actually is, and you're trying to have it both ways.

For those that don't know about "The Fourth Turning" Trump thing, you need to check this shit out:
https://www.hennessysview.com/2017/12/27/2018-the-beginning-of-the-end-of-the-fourth-turning-in-america/

P.S. Might Kiwi be heading this way to help you peel back our blinders with a complimenting slew of X22 videos, and even more of all that loud flashy propaganda?

turiya
19th October 2018, 20:57
Aragorn might have been more accurate in referring to it as the Alt Right, as the likes of Bush's and McCains are indeed singled out as well. Then again, whenever you choose to enter Q, the other half of this Alt Right dynamic duo into the equation, it will be seen (as it already has been) that the Alt Right will vote for the "Red Wave" down the card.

Actually that is already apparent right below your above quote with this blaring gem:

CONFIRMED: George Soros Funded Fusion GPS; Dirty Dem Money Helped Back Bogus Trump Dossier

Ah that dirty Dem money, unlike that squeaky clean Republican/Trump money? Speaking of our "Fourth Turning" savior, what is he doing traversing the country full time besides the typical slamming of Democrats, and hailing of Republicans? Politics as usual. So while it's convenient to say the Trump/Q thing isn't a Republican thing, it actually is, and you're trying to have it both ways.

For those that don't know about "The Fourth Turning" Trump thing, you need to check this shit out:
https://www.hennessysview.com/2017/12/27/2018-the-beginning-of-the-end-of-the-fourth-turning-in-america/

P.S. Might Kiwi be heading this way to help you peel back our blinders with a complimenting slew of X22 videos, and even more of all that loud flashy propaganda?

Hey Fred, good of you to leave a post for me.

Yes, of course. This is the way of the dualistic world in which we live. The pendulum swings from one extreme to the other extreme. As Ba-ba-Ra has said in a recent message to me, we are witnessing the fall of one Deep State & the rise of another. This could very well be. Certainly, Donald Trump may very well have meant what he said during his inauguration speech...


"We are not merely transferring power from one administration to another, or from one party to another. But we are transferring power from Washington DC and giving it back to you - The People." -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1FPra6JK_M


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1FPra6JK_M
There will always be the question as who will come behind him. Much can be done to try to keep the nefarious individuals from seizing power - Term limits, preventing voter fraud, the lobbyist bribes, insider trading, etc. The best individual that I can see coming as a follow-up would be Rand Paul. But certainly, the pendulum is bound to swing. There is momentum behind it. Just have to see how that plays itself out. The world will continue to churn long after you & I have disappeared from the scene.

But, when it comes to the false accusations... oh, I see what was written initially has been retracted... Yes, emotions should be checked at the door before entering to comment...

Regarding Kiwi...
I know there have been some PA members that were banned temporarily & permanently (retired), others had come to decide not to post again on the forum after Bill Ryan's cry-baby victimhood tantrum that he threw - he simply disliked what was taking place. Funny he called the Qanon thing a 'cult'.


Define 'projection'.
Define 'psychological projection'
Q

cult (https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=sU7MW93QBojYzwL8z4XoCQ&q=cult&btnK=Google+Search&oq=cult&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0l7j0i131j0l2.1764.2879..4408...0.0..0.168.3 84.3j1......0....1..gws-wiz.yEp1c6TFgGk) /kəlt/
noun
noun: cult; plural noun: cults

- a misplaced or excessive admiration for a particular person or thing.

"a cult of personality surrounding the leaders"
synonyms: obsession with, fixation on, mania for, passion for, idolization of, devotion to, worship of, veneration of


"the cult of eternal youth in Hollywood"

As, because of Bill Ryan's past experience with Scientology, and seeing how much of the membership were flocking to hit the "Thank You" button - giving way too much adoration to Bill, I've often considered that all the attention may be effecting Bill's reasoning skills, and that, in a way, it looked to be somewhat of a cult that I just happened to fall in with.... I never felt comfortable with hitting that "Thank You" button. His overly moralistic attitude & assessment of others - banning people & unsubscribing members for very trivial things, I believe, comes from his Scientology conditioning / brainwashing days with that crowd.

I think Bill saw what was happening with Q as something that was not under his control. I think he felt that it had to stop. edit: And now, I know there was for a good reason for bringing all the research to an abrupt halt, as I have just recently received (23-Oct2018) an interesting link to something posted on the 8chan board regarding Bill's connection to what is known as 'Pizzagate' and some intel 'spooks'. (Click this LINK (https://8ch.net/pol/res/12197371.html) to see what is being referred to).

Bill Ryan had no interest in researching what was being posted by Q, just to see for himself whether the phenom was indeed a military intelligence operation. In order to come see if it indeed was, you had to do the research. There have been plenty of Q - proofs to show that it surely is. After viewing the above link, one will clearly see why Bill Ryan wanted to put an end to the thread & research that was taking place regarding the Q drops. The Pizzagate meme is quite relevant. There as a couple of interesting pics to go along with this new information - IMAGE1 (https://media.8ch.net/file_store/cfed669569794b4dc852eb56cde6bc32d1dcf452087c67a2c0 40f9ec1a8652b2.png) & IMAGE2 (https://media.8ch.net/file_store/8b3fa9a7a472205b8652b536e626aaca0ba854ce27ebbb417a edadc0d45e4b48.png)

Bill initially came at me (Post #6845 of the Qanon thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100318-The-Qanon-posts-and-a-Very-Bad-Day-Scenario-for-some-elite-swamp-critters&p=1246565&viewfull=1#post1246565)) because he didn't like my reply to his post in which he labeled the Q phenom a 'cult'. Bill threatened to ban me. My response was essentially that one can find cults just about everywhere you look in society, if that is what you are looking for. My example was when I went to the gym to workout, there was a time when I tried to change the channel from the CNN news station to another news channel. Dozens of people threw a fit, expressed there anger to my changing it to a different news station. In a sense, this can also be considered to be called a cult - the CNN cult (if you will) of people that are hooked on watching that particular type of propaganda programming.

After this, a couple others were temporarily banned. Kiwi got his third strike warning. I was also riding on my third strike warning - (edit: just had been "unsubscribed" by moderator Paul Jackson as of today Monday, 22-Oct2018). All of us had initially be contacted by several other forum members wanting us to come back. Personally, I had previously contributed to the PA forum several times in the past. With Bill's basically calling me an 'unbalanced' individual, I felt... "Well, enough of that."

From ex-wife Christine's information, Bill has used the PA contributions to pay his own bills. I choose not to support him or his forum in any way, shape or form, now.

I was considering to contribute to this forum... went to see of it would accept Paypal, but the button doesn't work. I know that you had a thread here discussing how to get more members to stay afloat. Well, after Aragorn's well scripted post (much of it now retracted), I think I will pass on that notion.

Don't know what the other members are up to.... edina is gearing up to walk across the Appalachians. Last I heard from Kiwi is that he's enjoying nature for a change from the internet. MM (lost her moderator position over this) is focusing on local issues where she lives (Arizona). In the meantime, we'll just have to see how long I last here.

Regards - t

Melidae
19th October 2018, 21:07
I do not see this as right vs. left. I see this as nationalism vs. globalism. It is just being played out on the world stage by the US first. Don't be fooled. What happens here will affect every country sooner or later.

Could anyone explain to me why they consider globalism preferable to nationalism?

btw, I have read the Fourth Turning...more than once...and have formed my own opinions of it.

Chris
19th October 2018, 21:18
Hmm, I see Dart Hatman is playing God again. He really seems to enjoy that. I wonder how people last so many years over on that forum, they must really know how to keep their mouths shut. I barely lasted a month before I was banned...

As for the whole Q stuff, to me it is Blue Chicken 2.0, entertaining in a way, but not based on any actual facts as far as I can see.

And as for the George Soros obsession, know that you are being played, this has been orchestrated by Putin from the very beginning and by certain people in the far right in the US. I'm not saying that he is a saint, obviously he is a deeply sinister man in some ways and he is ruthless when it comes to financial speculation and making money.

He has also done a lot of good, especially in Eastern Europe, he did play a significant role in ending Soviet Rule in this part of the world and whatever else he might have done, I am grateful for that. That is also why he is so hated by Putin, he helped to end his beloved Soviet Union and is now working to bring down Putin too, which I see as a good thing personally.


I do not see this as right vs. left. I see this as nationalism vs. globalism. It is just being played out on the world stage by the US first. Don't be fooled. What happens here will affect every country sooner or later.

Could anyone explain to me why they consider globalism preferable to nationalism?

btw, I have read the Fourth Turning...more than once...and have formed my own opinions of it.

Globalism is inevitable if we are to have a Type 1 civilisation. It's called growing up. Nationalism may not be bad in itself, but it can and often does lead to bad things, just as tribalism and racism does. Nationalism is essentially the belief that your Nation is superior to others. It is a bad idea for the same reason that believing your race, religion or tribe is better than others, is a bad idea. I think I don't have to cite many examples from world history to demonstrate why this is generally not a good thing.

Fred Steeves
19th October 2018, 21:51
Don't know what the other members are up to.... edina is gearing up to walk across the Appalachians. Last I heard from Kiwi is that he's enjoying nature for a change from the internet. MM (lost her moderator position over this) is focusing on local issues where she lives (Arizona).

Thanks for the update. :)


In the meantime, we'll just have to see how long I last here.

Hey man, so long as you are talking *to* us like you are now, and not *at* us like those splashy first few posts that irritated Aragorn (and me and well), I think you'll be just fine here. Aragorn has proven himself over time to be a fair man IMO, and any old timer from either here or at The Project knows I'm no ass kisser to authority.

As an aside, much as I disagree with the pro Trump/Q crowd over there, and much as I happen to agree with Bill's opinion of the phenomena, I think he handled it poorly with you, and especially with Kiwi's Cheech & Chong world's biggest joint joke from Paula's picture. That was actually pretty funny!

Emil El Zapato
20th October 2018, 00:45
lol, I guess this is bonus time again...we can all use extra money...not all of us would be interested in such low life work, though

Emil El Zapato
20th October 2018, 01:55
Hmm, I see Dart Hatman is playing God again. He really seems to enjoy that. I wonder how people last so many years over on that forum, they must really know how to keep their mouths shut. I barely lasted a month before I was banned...

As for the whole Q stuff, to me it is Blue Chicken 2.0, entertaining in a way, but not based on any actual facts as far as I can see.

And as for the George Soros obsession, know that you are being played, this has been orchestrated by Putin from the very beginning and by certain people in the far right in the US. I'm not saying that he is a saint, obviously he is a deeply sinister man in some ways and he is ruthless when it comes to financial speculation and making money.

He has also done a lot of good, especially in Eastern Europe, he did play a significant role in ending Soviet Rule in this part of the world and whatever else he might have done, I am grateful for that. That is also why he is so hated by Putin, he helped to end his beloved Soviet Union and is now working to bring down Putin too, which I see as a good thing personally.



Globalism is inevitable if we are to have a Type 1 civilisation. It's called growing up. Nationalism may not be bad in itself, but it can and often does lead to bad things, just as tribalism and racism does. Nationalism is essentially the belief that your Nation is superior to others. It is a bad idea for the same reason that believing your race, religion or tribe is better than others, is a bad idea. I think I don't have to cite many examples from world history to demonstrate why this is generally not a good thing.

Nationalism is a bad thing in its essence...ask anybody that has any sense...real sense...There aren't many of them around but they are here waiting for the rest of the world to catch up with them...

turiya
20th October 2018, 02:30
Moving on to what is going on with Khashoggi:

The Push is very strong and its coming from the MSM, Brennan and the US Intelligence groups (CIA) - i.e. the Deep State.... attempting to put pressure on Trump to do something regarding Saudi Arabia...

US Treasury Sec Steve Mnuchin Pulls Out Of Saudi Investment Summit (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-18/steve-mnuchin-pulls-out-saudi-conference?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+zerohedge%2Ffeed+%28zero+hedg e+-+on+a+long+enough+timeline%2C+the+survival+rate+fo r+everyone+drops+to+zero%29)


In a succinct tweet, just minutes after SecState Pompeo suggested President Trump give the Saudis more time (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-18/pompeo-white-house-will-give-saudi-few-more-days-finish-khashogG1-Probe) to come up with an excuse for killing WaPo journalist Khashoggi, Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin has announced that he will pull out of the Saudi investment conference…





https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/800371128094990336/qKH1fi_-_normal.jpg (https://twitter.com/stevenmnuchin1/status/1052944784355205120?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1052944784355205120&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fx22report.com%2Fthe-sky-is-falling-panic-shut-it-down-at-any-cost-dead-end-episode-1693%2F)
Steven Mnuchin
@stevenmnuchin1

Just met with @realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump) and @SecPompeo (https://twitter.com/SecPompeo) and we have decided, I will not be participating in the Future Investment Initiative summit in Saudi Arabia.

8:29 AM - 18 Oct 2018 (https://twitter.com/stevenmnuchin1/status/1052944784355205120?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1052944784355205120&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fx22report.com%2Fthe-sky-is-falling-panic-shut-it-down-at-any-cost-dead-end-episode-1693%2F)

A very sparse statement, with no indication of “why”...
Source: zerohedge.com

Saudis Transfer $100 Million To US State Department As Khashoggi Crisis Deepens (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-18/saudis-transfer-100-million-us-state-department-khashoggi-crisis-deepens?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+zerohedge%2Ffeed+%28zero+hedg e+-+on+a+long+enough+timeline%2C+the+survival+rate+fo r+everyone+drops+to+zero%29)


When US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo flew into Riyadh to discuss the disappearance and likely death of journalist Jamal Khashoggi, Saudi Arabia transferred $100m to the State Department for US efforts against the Islamic State (IS) group, the New York Times reported late Tuesday (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/16/world/middleeast/saudi-arabia-money-syria.html).
While the funding was approved earlier in the summer, critics have viewed the timing of the transfer payment with suspicion.

The US State Department envoy for the anti-IS coalition said in a statement on Wednesday that they “expected the contribution to be finalized in the fall time frame”.


“The specific transfer of funds has been long in process and has nothing to do with other events or the secretary’s visit,” envoy Brett McGurk said.
Source: zerohedge.com

Khashoggi Murder Suspect Dies In “Suspicious Car Accident” (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-18/khashoggi-murder-suspect-dies-suspicious-car-accident?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+zerohedge%2Ffeed+%28zero+hedg e+-+on+a+long+enough+timeline%2C+the+survival+rate+fo r+everyone+drops+to+zero%29)


A 31-year-old lieutenant in the Saudi Royal Air Force said to have participated in the killing of Saudi writer Jamal Khashoggi (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-17/they-cut-him-while-he-was-still-alive-grisly-details-saudi-journalists-killing) died in a “suspicious car accident” in Riyadh, according to Turkish media.
https://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/inline-images/suspect%20ded.jpg (https://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/inline-images/suspect%20ded.jpg?itok=Z5B1FA0f)
Mashal Saad al-Bostani was reportedly on a 15-man hit squad dispatched to Saudi Arabia’s Istanbul Consulate in Turkey on October 2 during Khashoggi’s visit, before the team quickly left the country,

Source: zerohedge.com

With all this news coming out Trump tweeted out the following and Pompeo gave a press conference about the situation





http://curezone.com/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/TRUMP_TWEETS/TRUMP_TWITTER_ICON_5.png (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1046473870650290176)

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo returned last night from Saudi Arabia and Turkey. I met with him this morning wherein the Saudi situation was discussed in great detail, including his meeting with...

8:40 AM - 18 Oct 2018 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1052947507238658049?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1052947507238658049&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fx22report.com%2Fthe-sky-is-falling-panic-shut-it-down-at-any-cost-dead-end-episode-1693%2F)





http://curezone.com/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/TRUMP_TWEETS/TRUMP_TWITTER_ICON_5.png (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1046473870650290176)

...the Crown Prince. He is waiting for the results of the investigations being done by the Saudis and Turkey, and just gave a news conference to that effect.

8:40 AM - 18 Oct 2018 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1052947510271111170?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1052947510271111170&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fx22report.com%2Fthe-sky-is-falling-panic-shut-it-down-at-any-cost-dead-end-episode-1693%2F)
US Intelligence “Increasingly Convinced” Saudi Prince Ordered Khashoggi’s Killing (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-18/us-intelligence-increasingly-convinced-mbs-ordered-khashoggis-killing?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+zerohedge%2Ffeed+%28zero+hedg e+-+on+a+long+enough+timeline%2C+the+survival+rate+fo r+everyone+drops+to+zero%29)


The US intelligence community (CIA/FBI) is once again rebelling against the Trump White House – after Trump suggested that he would do everything he could to preserve the US-Saudi relationship and has effectively joined with the Turks to undermine the rule of Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman.
Is there a regime change push happening right under our noses.


American intelligence officials are increasingly convinced that Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman of Saudi Arabia is culpable in the killing of the dissident journalist Jamal Khashoggi, an appraisal that poses challenges to a White House intent on maintaining a close relationship with the kingdom.

Intelligence agencies have not yet been able to collect direct evidence of the prince’s involvement, American and European officials said. They also have not been able to conclude whether Prince Mohammed directly ordered the killing of Mr. Khashoggi, or whether his intention was to have Mr. Khashoggi captured and taken back to Saudi Arabia, according to one official.

But intelligence agencies have growing circumstantial evidence of the prince’s involvement — including the presence of members of his security detail and intercepts of Saudi officials discussing a possible plan to detain Mr. Khashoggi, according to American officials.

So they have nothing, like the Russian Collusion conspiracy they made up


Most likely Trump is depending on Military intelligence instead of the CIA and FBI
Source: zerohedge.com

Saudis To Blame Top General For Journalist’s Killing: NYT (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-18/saudi-blame-top-general-journalists-killing?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+zerohedge%2Ffeed+%28zero+hedg e+-+on+a+long+enough+timeline%2C+the+survival+rate+fo r+everyone+drops+to+zero%29)

Less than a day after the New York Times published a report claiming that US intelligence agencies believe Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman gave the order to murder and dismember a former Saudi insider turned critic inside the kingdom’s consulate in Istanbul, the NYT is now saying the Saudis have selected a scapegoat who will most likely take the fall for the killing of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi. Anonymous officials with knowledge of the Saudis’ plans said the kingdom is close to blaming to Gen. Ahmed al-Assiri, a high-ranking intelligence official and adviser to the crown prince, as the man responsible for masterminding the plot.

The report followed another anonymously sourced report (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-15/saudi-admit-khashoggi-killed-during-botched-interrogation-stocks-slump) from earlier in the week claiming the Saudis were preparing to admit that Khashoggi had been killed during a botched interrogation. Though the kingdom still has “a few more days” to complete its investigation, according to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo,

Source: zerohedge.com

White House, Saudis working to make up story on missing journalist’s fate: Brennan (https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/10/18/577334/US-Saudi-Khashoggi-CIA-Brennan-Trump-bin-Salman)


Former CIA Director John Brennan says the United States government is working with Saudi Arabia to “concoct a story” about the fate of Jamal Khashoggi, an anti-Riyadh journalist who is believed to have been murdered after entering the Saudi consulate in Turkey’s Istanbul earlier this month.
Brennan said Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman and the White House of President Donald Trump knew what happened to Khashoggi.
“It also seems now we’re in this surreal and morally horrific situation in which the White House and the Saudis seem to be trying to sort of figure out what story they can come up with that they can both have plausibility for Mohammad bin Salman,” said Brennan,
Brennan also called on the CIA and other US intelligence agencies to hand in their evidence to Congress so that lawmakers could scrutinize the White House over its role in the alleged cover-up.
“That’s why it’s so important for the intelligence agencies, and CIA, to fully brief the intelligence committees on the Hill so that they have full insight into what happened there and they can then hold the administration’s feet to the fire,” he explained.
Source: presstv.ir

Brennan on Khashoggi (https://www.lewrockwell.com/2018/10/no_author/692932-2/)


Brennan also said the following, "If he is found to be dead at the hands of the Saudi government, his demise cannot go unanswered — by the Trump administration, by Congress or by the world community. Ideally, King Salman would take immediate action against those responsible, but if he doesn’t have the will or the ability, the United States would have to act.". That would include immediate sanctions on all Saudis involved; a freeze on U.S. military sales to Saudi Arabia; suspension of all routine intelligence cooperation with Saudi security services; and a U.S.-sponsored U.N. Security Council resolution condemning the murder. The message would be clear: The United States will never turn a blind eye to such inhuman behavior, even when carried out by friends, because this is a nation that remains faithful to its values.”
Trump says The missing Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi appears to be dead, US President Donald Trump has told reporters, saying there would be “severe” consequences for whoever is behind it.

Putin Hints At New Russia-Saudi Axis: “No Reason To Spoil Saudi Ties Over Khashoggi Killing” (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-18/putin-no-reason-spoil-saudi-russia-ties-over-khashoggi-killing?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+zerohedge%2Ffeed+%28zero+hedg e+-+on+a+long+enough+timeline%2C+the+survival+rate+fo r+everyone+drops+to+zero%29)


Russian President Vladimir Putin finally weighed in on the disappearance (and purportedly brutal slaying) of Saudi dissident Jamal Khashoggi during a speech in Sochi on Thursday. His verdict? Russia doesn’t have enough information about the incident to justify spoiling their relationship with Saudi Arabia

Source: zerohedge.com

turiya
20th October 2018, 06:45
Cross-posted on another thread - Post #127 - (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/12260-Q-!!!!!!!-Park-Here?p=842002195&viewfull=1#post842002195) by Aianawa

Hey Aianawa

This is one of the better SerialBrain2 videos regarding Donald Trump's relationship with Roy Cohn.
Check it out. Main body of the video begins @ 3:44

The War Drummer - Why Donald J. Trump is the most feared man in the world
(Oct 12, 2018)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_ZyeDdbdo0
War Drummer quotes Q post 2299 "Define Treason", but actually the Q posts have been upgraded. So, the actually post that he is referring to is Q post 2300....





Red October / Red Cross / Suicide Prevention Hotline (https://8ch.net/patriotsfight/res/62.html#310)

2300 (https://qmap.pub/read/2300)
Q!!mG7VJxZNCI 30 Sep 2018 - 3:33:44 PM

. R .
RED OCTOBER
. D .
Justice K confirmation
DECLAS
Goodbye, Mr. Rosenstein [payment in full]
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeff-flake-brett-kavanaugh-fbi-probe-today-elevator-protest-chris-coons-2018-09-28/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeff-flake-brett-kavanaugh-fbi-probe-today-elevator-protest-chris-coons-2018-09-28/)
"Flake's decision came after he spoke to senators of both parties and withstood pressure from some Republicans not to take such a step. As he considered his course of action, Flake also had a conversation with Deputy Attorney General [Rod Rosenstein], who is in charge of special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation."
Define 'Treason'.
The crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill the sovereign or overthrow the government.
Define 'Subversion'.
The act of subverting : the state of being subverted; especially : a systematic attempt to overthrow or undermine a government or political system by persons working secretly from within?
Think line of questions re: Sen. Graham > Justice K re: 'Enemy Combatants'.
1-800-273-8255 ==>Suicide Prevention Hotline
Operators standing by.
Q








Military Intelligence & State Secrets (https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/147433975/#147433975)

14 (https://qmap.pub/read/14)
Anonymous 31 Oct 2017 - 11:00:15 PM

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SCI[F]
Military Intelligence.
What is 'State Secrets' and how upheld in the SC?
What must be completed to engage MI over other (3) letter agencies?
What must occur to allow for civilian trials?
Why is this relevant?
What was Flynn's background?
Why is this relevant?
Why did Adm R (NSA) meet Trump privately w/o auth?
Does POTUS know where the bodies are buried?
Does POTUS have the goods on most bad actors?
Was TRUMP asked to run for President?
Why?
By Who?
Was HRC next in line?
Was the election suppose to be rigged?
Did good people prevent the rigging?
Why did POTUS form a panel to investigate?
Has POTUS *ever* made a statement that did not become proven as true/fact?
What is POTUS in control of?
What is the one organization left that isn't corrupt?
Why does the military play such a vital role?
Why is POTUS surrounded by highly respected generals?
Who guards former Presidents?
Why is that relevant?
Who guards HRC?
Why is ANTIFA allowed to operate?
Why hasn't the MB been classified as a terrorist org?
What happens if Soros funded operations get violent and engage in domestic terrorism?
What happens if mayors/ police comms/chiefs do not enforce the law?
What authority does POTUS have specifically over the Marines?
Why is this important?
What is Mueller's background? Military?
Was Trump asked to run for President w/ assurances made to prevent tampering?
How is POTUS always 5-steps ahead?
Who is helping POTUS?








Corrupt Maxine Waters Obstructed Oversight into Uranium One Cash Flows to the Clintons (https://8ch.net/patriotsfight/res/62.html#186)

2087 (https://qmap.pub/read/2087)
Q!!mG7VJxZNCI 5 Sep 2018 - 11:34:26 AM

http://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/GENRL_TWEETS/Q_ANON/2087_image.png (http://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/GENRL_TWEETS/Q_ANON/2087_image.png) Dl8fQTCW4AArdi1.jpg (http://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/GENRL_TWEETS/Q_ANON/2087_image.png)

https://vault.fbi.gov/uranium-one-transaction/uranium-one-transaction-part-01-of-01/view (https://archive.today/newest/https://vault.fbi.gov/uranium-one-transaction/uranium-one-transaction-part-01-of-01/view)
[Letter from Committee on Financial Services]
Maxine Waters, California, Ranking Member
https://financialservices.house.gov/about/members.htm (https://archive.today/newest/https://financialservices.house.gov/about/members.htm)
How do you obstruct oversight?
How do you obtain 'inside knowledge' to closed door 'financial' investigations?
Maxine Waters, California, Ranking Member
Those who are the loudest….
Have the most to FEAR [hide]?
http://video.foxnews.com/v/5493622538001/?#sp=show-clips (https://archive.today/newest/http://video.foxnews.com/v/5493622538001/?#sp=show-clips)
Money talks.
Q

Aragorn
20th October 2018, 08:10
Could anyone explain to me why they consider globalism preferable to nationalism?

As explained by Chris, nationalism is the false belief that one's own nation is better than other nations. It is essentially a weakened form of racial prejudice.

Now, when it comes to globalism, things are a little more complicated. There are two types of globalism. The type of globalism championed by the US Democrats and the European Union is an economic globalism, or perhaps put more precisely, it is a capitalist-corporatist globalism. This is the kind of thing that the Rockefellers and Soros have so far always been endorsing, as well as Bush Sr.

The other type of globalism is a humanitarian one, in which people from different cultures look past their differences and instead focus on what unites us, which is that in the end, we're all brothers and sisters. This type of globalism does not necessarily require any kind of government. It is a globalism of the people, not of the bankers or of the politicians. And the people who support this type of globalism have so far always been vehemently protesting against the other kind of globalism — the one where the whole world becomes a single market place and everything is controlled by multinational corporations (which includes but is not limited to the banks).

Both nationalism and the capitalist/corporatist globalism have fascist traits. Fascism is a form of government where the power rests in the hand of private corporations, and whereby politicians are merely shills for these private corporations. The only difference between nationalism and corporatist globalism is that with nationalism, the fascism stays within the nation's borders, whereas corporatist globalism seeks to conquer and subjugate the world, and then turn that into a single nation.

The other kind of globalism — the one I personally support — is egalitarian in nature, because it focuses on what makes us human, rather than upon what pleases the business world.

Aianawa
20th October 2018, 09:55
Am loving your sharing and material and hope others ( either side or neutral Q wise ) get a better welcome than you have so far. Hug n welcome back from me and atm imo more people are seeing n seeking safe lighthouses forum wise.



Hey Fred, good of you to leave a post for me.

Yes, of course. This is the way of the dualistic world in which we live. The pendulum swings from one extreme to the other extreme. As Ba-ba-Ra has said in a recent message to me, we are witnessing the fall of one Deep State & the rise of another. This could very well be. Certainly, Donald Trump may very well have meant what he said during his inauguration speech...


"We are not merely transferring power from one administration to another, or from one party to another. But we are transferring power from Washington DC and giving it back to you - The People." -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1FPra6JK_M


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1FPra6JK_M
There will always be the question as who will come behind him. Much can be done to try to keep the nefarious individuals from seizing power - Term limits, preventing voter fraud, the lobbyist bribes, insider trading, etc. The best individual that I can see coming as a follow-up would be Rand Paul. But certainly, the pendulum is bound to swing. There is momentum behind it. Just have to see how that plays itself out. The world will continue to churn long after you & I have disappeared from the scene.

But, when it comes to the false accusations... oh, I see what was written initially has been retracted... Yes, emotions should be checked at the door before entering to comment...

Regarding Kiwi...
I know there have been some PA members that were banned temporarily & permanently (retired), others had come to decide not to post again on the forum after Bill Ryan's crying-baby victimhood tantrum that he threw - he simply disliked what was taking place. Funny he called the Qanon thing a 'cult'.


Define 'projection'.
Define 'psychological projection'
Q

As, because of Bill Ryan's past experience with Scientology, and seeing how much of the membership were flocking to hit the "Thank You" button - giving much adoration to Bill, I've often considered that all the attention may be effecting Bill's reasoning skills, and that, in a way, it looked to be somewhat of a cult that I happened to fall in with.... I never felt comfortable with hitting that "Thank You" button. His over-the-top moralistic attitude - banning people & unsubscribing members for trivial things - comes from his Scientology conditioning / brainwashing days with that crowd.

I think Bill saw what was happening with Q as something that was not under his control. I think he felt that it had to stop. He had no interest in researching what was being posted by Q, to see for himself whether the phenom was indeed a military intelligence operation. In order to come see if it indeed was, you had to do the research. There have been plenty of Q - proofs to show that it surely is.

Bill initially came at me because he didn't like my reply. Bill threatened to ban me. My response was essentially that one can find cults just about everywhere you look in society, if that is what you are looking for. My example was when I went to the gym to workout, there was a time when I tried to change the channel from the CNN news station to another news channel. Dozens of people threw a fit, expressed there anger to my changing it to a different news station. In a sense, this can also be considered to be called a cult - the CNN cult (if you will) of people that are hooked on watching that particular type of propaganda programming.

After this, a couple others were temporarily banned. Kiwi got his third strike warning. I am also riding on my third strike warning. All of us had initially be contacted by several other forum members wanting us to come back. Personally, I had previously contributed to the PA forum several times in the past. With Bill's basically calling me an 'unbalanced' individual, I felt... "Well, enough of that."

From ex-wife Christine's information, Bill has used the PA contributions to pay his own bills. I choose not to support him or his forum in any way, shape or form, now.

I was considering to contribute to this forum... went to see it would accept Paypal, but the button doesn't work. I know that you had a thread here discussing how to get more members to stay afloat. Well, after Aragorn's well scripted post, I think I will pass on that notion.

Don't know what the other members are up to.... edina is gearing up to walk across the Appalachians. Last I heard from Kiwi is that he's enjoying nature for a change from the internet. MM (lost her moderator position over this) is focusing on local issues where she lives (Arizona). In the meantime, we'll just have to see how long I last here.

Regards - t

turiya
20th October 2018, 13:31
Another SerialBrain2 vid... Seems to have the Never-Trumpers & Trump-Haters in mind - as the target audience... Well, have at it - Enjoy!




WarGames (https://8ch.net//qresearch/res/97364.html#97753)

569 (https://qmap.pub/read/569)

Q !UW.yye1fxo 19 Jan 2018 - 5:49:21 PM

Anonymous 19 Jan 2018 - 5:46:59 PM
>>97705
was that our "wargames" i.e. get us meme troops in a live-fire drill?>>97724
Shall we play a game?
How about a nice game of chess?
WarGames.
Double meaning.
[CLAS-5849]
Fake incoming missile alert [Defcon 1].
We know all.
TRUST.
Q


Is President Trump really, BRILLIANT? What exactly is 4D chess? The game BRILLIANT people play!
(Oct 15, 2018)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ujHmAs4fp4




Lynn de Rothschild Can't Sleep (https://8ch.net//qresearch/res/42982.html#43627)

536 (https://qmap.pub/read/536)

Q !UW.yye1fxo 14 Jan 2018 - 12:32:34 AM

Anonymous 13 Jan 2018 - 11:58:50 PM

http://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/GENRL_TWEETS/Q_ANON/536_image.png
(https://cdn.qmap.pub/images/cfee654a467f894fa953e0e9b310d03c19bb98a788b2822ddb 4ba6ef1e879d5b.png) cfee654a467f894fa953e0e9b310d03c19bb98a788b2822ddb 4ba6ef1e879d5b.png

F*k!!!>>43088
We're closer than you think.
Try to get some sleep, it must be difficult.
Q





https://jodyrosselcom.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/img_0599.png?w=584

https://images.dailykos.com/images/268584/large/Screen_Shot_2016-06-28_at_9.32.26_PM.png?1467224954





Mark Zuckerberg Big Meeting (https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/738831.html#739690)

959 (https://qmap.pub/read/959)

Q !UW.yye1fxo 21 Mar 2018 - 12:52:37 AM

MZ.
RT.
Big meeting.
Cell phones left at door.
+8
5 political
1 former intel dir
Mask & Spin
IDEN friendly ‘insiders’
MSM support +talking points
Shift narrative
FAIL
We hear you.
We have the algorithm.
Thank you @ Snowden.
Learn chess.
Down she goes.
Nobody escapes this.
NOBODY.
Q





Repost (https://8ch.net/pol/res/11028937.html#11043832)

355 (https://qmap.pub/read/355)

Q !ITPb.qbhqo 14 Dec 2017 - 9:43:38 PM

Shall we play a game?
Find the spider(s) and build the web (the ‘map’).
Remember, they consider you to be the fly (specifically, the ‘feeder’).
Remember, they never thought she was going to lose.
Therefore, they never thought investigations and/or public interest into their criminal acts would be exposed/investigated.
Therefore, they never thought they had anything to fear.
Therefore, they openly showcase their symbolism.
Therefore, they were sloppy.
Hussein’s last speech in Chicago re: ‘scandal free’.
Why did he continually emphasize that phrase?
As a backup, they infiltrated and control the narrative (the ‘MSM’).
As a backup, they install only those on the team.
As a backup, they blackmail those that aren’t.
As a backup, they defined ‘conspiracy’ as crazy/mentally unstable and label anything ‘true’ as such.
This works given most of what they engage in is pure evil and simply unbelievable (hard to swallow).
The ‘fix’ has always been in – no matter which party won the election (-JFK (killed)/Reagan(shot)).
This was always the promise made to those who played the game (willingly or otherwise) (i.e., they would never lose power).
Power of the (3) letter agencies.
Power over the US Military (WW dominance to push against other nations and install like-kind).
These people are really stupid.
Follow the husbands.
Another Hint:
Ian Cameron
McKinsey & Company
Clowns In America.
Dr. Emmett J. Rice.
Federal Reserve.
Everyone is connected.
How about a nice game of chess?
Q

Melidae
20th October 2018, 14:33
As explained by Chris, nationalism is the false belief that one's own nation is better than other nations. It is essentially a weakened form of racial prejudice.

Now, when it comes to globalism, things are a little more complicated. There are two types of globalism. The type of globalism championed by the US Democrats and the European Union is an economic globalism, or perhaps put more precisely, it is a capitalist-corporatist globalism. This is the kind of thing that the Rockefellers and Soros have so far always been endorsing, as well as Bush Sr.

The other type of globalism is a humanitarian one, in which people from different cultures look past their differences and instead focus on what unites us, which is that in the end, we're all brothers and sisters. This type of globalism does not necessarily require any kind of government. It is a globalism of the people, not of the bankers or of the politicians. And the people who support this type of globalism have so far always been vehemently protesting against the other kind of globalism — the one where the whole world becomes a single market place and everything is controlled by multinational corporations (which includes but is not limited to the banks).

Both nationalism and the capitalist/corporatist globalism have fascist traits. Fascism is a form of government where the power rests in the hand of private corporations, and whereby politicians are merely shills for these private corporations. The only difference between nationalism and corporatist globalism is that with nationalism, the fascism stays within the nation's borders, whereas corporatist globalism seeks to conquer and subjugate the world, and then turn that into a single nation.

The other kind of globalism — the one I personally support — is egalitarian in nature, because it focuses on what makes us human, rather than upon what pleases the business world.

Thank you for the response, Aragorn.

I still don't comprehend where notion of nationalism you and Chris are talking about is coming from. From my perspective it is like 'feeding your own family before feeding the world'. The US spends billions + of dollars to support other nations, and yet here at home there is a growing poverty and an infrastructure that is falling apart. It just makes more sense to me to take care of our own first. I liken it to a young mother that gives so much of herself to her family that she soon has nothing left to give...she has to learn to take care of herself first in order to have something to give to others. That being said, there is nothing preventing us as a people from uniting with others around the world...except governments with their own agendas that has nothing to do with what the people want.

Of the two forms of globalism you speak of...I think we can agree that the NWO form of globalism is totally unacceptable. But before we can reach the humanitarian globalism you mention, wouldn't we have to get rid of the Soros' and Rothchilds' and all who seek power and control over others? You know, the ones that have the resources to force their will on others without their consent.

I see getting from where we are today and where we desire to be as a process.

Chris
20th October 2018, 15:31
Thank you for the response, Aragorn.

I still don't comprehend where notion of nationalism you and Chris are talking about is coming from. From my perspective it is like 'feeding your own family before feeding the world'. The US spends billions + of dollars to support other nations, and yet here at home there is a growing poverty and an infrastructure that is falling apart. It just makes more sense to me to take care of our own first. I liken it to a young mother that gives so much of herself to her family that she soon has nothing left to give...she has to learn to take care of herself first in order to have something to give to others. That being said, there is nothing preventing us as a people from uniting with others around the world...except governments with their own agendas that has nothing to do with what the people want.

Of the two forms of globalism you speak of...I think we can agree that the NWO form of globalism is totally unacceptable. But before we can reach the humanitarian globalism you mention, wouldn't we have to get rid of the Soros' and Rothchilds' and all who seek power and control over others? You know, the ones that have the resources to force their will on others without their consent.

I see getting from where we are today and where we desire to be as a process.

My own perspective on this, is that a certain amount of nationalism and tribalism is a natural occurrence, stemming from the biological imperative to protect one's own kin. The English word kindness comes from kin, signifying that it is the natural, programmed response of most species to protect those that are close to them genetically, at the exclusion and expense of others.

That in itself is fine and a nation is essentially an extended family, as is a tribe. The challenge is to be aware of these natural inclinations to favour those that are kin and not let it inform our daily lives and our politics in a prejudicial way. The big difference between third world countries and those in the first world is that the former are incredibly tribal and always highly nationalistic, with no quarter given to those that are of a different tribe, race or religion. Western Democracies are superior to these countries in the sense that they managed to overcome centuries of tribalism and in the case of Europe, even nationalism, to concentrate on cooperation instead.

The sort of Nationalism that is now rising in Eastern and Southern Europe, Britain and the US is dangerous, precisely because it goes against the spirit of cooperation and inclusion that has been the prevailing trend since WW2 and is taking these countries back to a dangerous place in their History, where the "other" is seen as the enemy. If you take the US for instance, it has always been a highly patriotic place and that was fine, because anyone could become an American, irrespective of where they came from. However, if we're honest, that sort of patriotism has largely been replaced by White Nationalism, an exclusionary movement which seed white people and their culture (whatever that is) as superior to others and wants to carve out a territory that is exclusively for whites. In that sense, White Nationalism is just the latest iteration of Racism, which was a major feature of US social relations since its inception.

In case of the UK, we are actually seeing the rise of English Nationalism, which is perhaps understandable, since English national pride and identity have been deliberately suppressed for at least three centuries, to ensure the continued survival of first, the British Empire and then the United Kingdom. Now that English Nationalism has reasserted itself, mostly expressed through Brexit, that country is on borrowed time and probably can't survive much longer as a United Kingdom, but will splinter into its constituents parts as Nationalism in each constituent country (England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland) becomes the driving force of UK politics, making a Union untenable. The forces that drove the member states of the Soviet Union apart were very similar to the ones that are now driving the UK apart and I see some parallels with the US situation as well.

As for globalism, there is a lot of confusion around the subject, so let me try and simplify it. The first wave of globalism started at the end of the fifteenth century and lasted until the beginning of the 21st. It was about Empire, where Europe and later their erstwhile colonies (chiefly the US) ruled and controlled world. That first wave of globalisation / globalism was dominated by Europe's royal families first, but also their bankers, as you mentioned, chiefly the Rothschilds. They managed to extend their power after the end of Empire by using the USA as a proxy, particularly the US armed forces and the Federal Reserve. That phase of globalisation is now coming to an end.

The second phase is about the US and UK in particular losing their power and influence over the world and going back to a more multipolar system where dozens of different countries compete for regional dominance. This has the danger of leading to major wars and the rise in Nationalism not just in the US and the UK, but also in Russia and China, makes that far more likely than ever before. Also, when up-and-coming world powers usurp the incumbents, it rarely happens peacefully and the periphery of China and Russia is a particularly likely hotspot for the next major war.

Emil El Zapato
20th October 2018, 16:21
As explained by Chris, nationalism is the false belief that one's own nation is better than other nations. It is essentially a weakened form of racial prejudice.

Now, when it comes to globalism, things are a little more complicated. There are two types of globalism. The type of globalism championed by the US Democrats and the European Union is an economic globalism, or perhaps put more precisely, it is a capitalist-corporatist globalism. This is the kind of thing that the Rockefellers and Soros have so far always been endorsing, as well as Bush Sr.

The other type of globalism is a humanitarian one, in which people from different cultures look past their differences and instead focus on what unites us, which is that in the end, we're all brothers and sisters. This type of globalism does not necessarily require any kind of government. It is a globalism of the people, not of the bankers or of the politicians. And the people who support this type of globalism have so far always been vehemently protesting against the other kind of globalism — the one where the whole world becomes a single market place and everything is controlled by multinational corporations (which includes but is not limited to the banks).

Both nationalism and the capitalist/corporatist globalism have fascist traits. Fascism is a form of government where the power rests in the hand of private corporations, and whereby politicians are merely shills for these private corporations. The only difference between nationalism and corporatist globalism is that with nationalism, the fascism stays within the nation's borders, whereas corporatist globalism seeks to conquer and subjugate the world, and then turn that into a single nation.

The other kind of globalism — the one I personally support — is egalitarian in nature, because it focuses on what makes us human, rather than upon what pleases the business world.

That's an excellent clarification Aragorn...I would have thought it unnecessary to point out...but there ya' go...





Is President Trump really, BRILLIANT? What exactly is 4D chess? The game BRILLIANT people play!
(Oct 15, 2018)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ujHmAs4fp4







https://jodyrosselcom.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/img_0599.png?w=584

https://images.dailykos.com/images/268584/large/Screen_Shot_2016-06-28_at_9.32.26_PM.png?1467224954









Trust me... :) Those brilliant Trump quotes cannot be attributed to him...his 'collaborators' sourced them for him. You really don't understand do you? Trump is a product of every tool available to propagandists. He is hollow...he is nothing without his tools. He's a shell housing waste products.

turiya
20th October 2018, 16:37
X22Report.com (https://x22report.com/stealth-operation-initialized-deep-state-sa-mission-fail-episode-1694/)

Countries Around The World Are Already Transitioning Their Economies - Episode 1694a
(Oct 19, 2018)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Llgw-1ZqlX0
Description:


The auto industry is getting hit world wide and auto sales are declining rapidly. Auto sales are propped up via loans, without loans the majority of the public would not be able to afford an automobile. Existing home sales declined for the 7 month in a row. The real estate market is falling apart and this is part of the plan. The Fed will continue to raise rates which will destroy many parts of the economy and then implode the global economy. Countries are transitioning to move away from the central bank currency.
________________________________________________

Stealth Operation Initialized, Deep State [SA] Mission Fail - Episode 1694b
(Oct 19, 2018)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffly9v3tVYY
Description:


Main body of this report begins @ 3:12

Leakers are being arrested left and right, an FBI agent has been arrested, government officials have been recently arrested, the Sessions crack down is here. Trump warns Central American to turn around the immigrant caravan. Mexico reinforces their borders. The entire SA operation by the deep state will fail. Trump and the patriots have been using a stealth operation to counter the deep state.Trump stops NGO from entering North Korea. Iran is removing its forces and advisors from Syria.


ImmigrationCaravan coming up from Honduras, Guatemala, El Salvador and Nicaragua.
https://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/inline-images/migrants2.jpg


Regarding the Khashoggi Disappearance...

Trump DENIES Mike Pompeo heard tape of Jamal Khashoggi's murder (https://en.mogaznews.com/World-News/1054355/Trump-DENIES-Mike-Pompeo-heard-tape-of-Jamal-Khashoggis-murder.html)

https://en.mogaznews.com/temp/resized/medium_2018-10-19-650565bd51.jpg (https://en.mogaznews.com/World-News/1054355/Trump-DENIES-Mike-Pompeo-heard-tape-of-Jamal-Khashoggis-murder.html)

Turkey hasn’t shared Khashoggi audio with U.S., minister says (https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/turkey-khashoggi-investigation-audio-1.4869659?cmp=rss)


Turkey’s foreign minister says his country has not shared any audio recordings from Jamal Khashoggi’s disappearance with U.S. officials,
“It is out of the question for Turkey to give [U.S. Secretary of State Mike] Pompeo or any other U.S. official any audio recording,” Mevlut Cavusoglu told reporters during a visit to Tirana, Albania, hmmm, that is interesting, but its amazing how the MSM continues to refer to the recorderings, has any really heard them. It really doesn’t matter unless you verify the recording that it was khashogi being tortured.
This reminds of Syria, when Nikki Haley and other held up pictures of gassed victims and then pointed the finger at Assad, without providing evidence of who really did this, because as we know there were terrorist in Syria and it didn’t occur to any one that it could of been the terrorists, of course they didn’t because the terrorists were the paid mercenary army and that was not part of the agenda.

“Of course, as a result of the investigation so far, Turkey does have some information and evidence,” Cavusoglu said. “We will share them with the world when they become fully clear because the whole world, understandably, wants to know what happened to Khashoggi and how it happened.”

So the investigators are still investigating and they have know evidence but the MSM and Brennan with CIA know exactly what happened
Source: cbc.ca

Jamal Khashoggi: or why you don’t trust the MSM even if they say what you want to hear (https://off-guardian.org/2018/10/18/jamal-khashoggi-or-why-you-dont-trust-the-msm-even-if-they-say-what-you-want-to-hear/)


the alleged murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi is a mass media rollout, every bit as sparsely verified and every bit as questionable as the official Skripal narrative, but this fact is being overlooked due to the cognitive dissonance involved in who is being blamed.
What we are seeing in the mainstream media at the moment is a narrative-shift The Saudis in general, and Muhammad bin Salman in particular (https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/16/lindsey-graham-says-saudi-crown-prince-bin-salman-has-got-to-go.html), all previous “good guys” in the MSM pantheon, are being apparently re-branded as baddies with all the cartoonish excess normally reserved for Russia/Putin and Syria/Assad.



American public officials, corporations and press pulling out of Saudi-related events in an attempt to “isolate” them.




We are being bombarded with what one commentator rightly described as Grand Guignol narratives of slaughter, (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/17/world/europe/turkey-saudi-khashoggi-dismember.html) dismemberment, torture, all based on the kind of flimsy claims and dodgy alleged technologies we are already more than familiar with in a different context (https://off-guardian.org/category/skripal-case/). Despite an almost total lack of hard evidence, we are being told the missing Khashoggi is not just definitely deceased, but horribly murdered and definitely by the Saudis (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7524068/jamal-khashoggi-execution-squad-killed-car-crash-saudi-arabia/).

Two major points seem to be largely missed. They are:
The Saudis may be local tyrants but for the Empire they are merely puppets.

The question of whether or not the Saudis really murdered Khashoggi is irrelevant to the message.
What matters to them is the narrative.

What all this should teach us is the need to stop assuming even the most basic connection between “the news” and vertical reality.

Source: off-guardian.org

This is a major push by the deep state...






Children are being Kidnapped, Tortured, Raped and Sacrificed (https://qmap.pub/read/1964)

1964 (https://qmap.pub/read/2087)
Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 28 Aug 2018 - 7:05:40 PM

>>2772799
Patriot -
A little perspective…
Patriots are dying to defend this great country and the FREEDOM she provides.
Children are being kidnapped, tortured, raped, and sacrificed in the name of PURE EVIL.
Stay the course.
We are FIGHTING a deeply entrenched enemy.
Think LISA BARSOOMIAN (Smile).
2018 WILL BE GLORIOUS.
Q



Trump seems to be sitting back and gathering as much military intelligence as possible, letting the MSM, the CIA, Brennan and Crew to waste their ammunition, how do you destroy your enemy, let them do it themselves.
Lets review


deep state sets up operation
MSM is fed all information from the intelligence team, they know it all because they planned the operation and carried it out
Continue with the narrative, drip the information out each night to make the story believable, all MSM outlets will carry the same story
talk about the torture, the recordings, but never show them
Trump mentions rogue killers, to stir the pot to let the deep state know he knows what they did
MSM/deep state show how it was done, the names, who was involved etc. We are watching the show
The deep state then Pushes the narrative that Trump must sanction, separate, take action against SA. Push for a regime change and make SA the enemy so the deep state can remain in control of wonderland
MSM says pompeo listened to the recording, then backtracks and says maybe he saw the transcript, story falls apart
Trump tweets out fake news about the recordings
Turkey foreign minister says we have not given recording to anyone and we wont’
What is happening, on one side we have the deep state pushing their operation, on the otherside we have Trump, military intelligence pushing their stealth operation, is Turkey part of the stealth operation, maybe,
This operation is to trap the deep state, to expose their fake news, and lies and go after those individuals who orchestrated this operation


X22Report.com (https://x22report.com/stealth-operation-initialized-deep-state-sa-mission-fail-episode-1694/)

Emil El Zapato
20th October 2018, 17:01
I do not see this as right vs. left. I see this as nationalism vs. globalism. It is just being played out on the world stage by the US first. Don't be fooled. What happens here will affect every country sooner or later.

Could anyone explain to me why they consider globalism preferable to nationalism?

btw, I have read the Fourth Turning...more than once...and have formed my own opinions of it.

As Aragorn has pointed out...I don't think anyone would or should. They both are the results of very disturbed instincts. Base survival drives that operate at the r-complex level. We should all be horrified by the existence and manifestation of that impulse by modern man. We as a species are capable of much better as has been amply pointed out by numerous spiritual and philosophical leaders.

We often don't adhere to what we know is correct and the higher goal because we don't want to. It's much easier to travel through the day choosing to follow blind instinct than it is to use the higher level aspects of the self. It becomes much worse when we fail to recognize the head reptiles. They are powerful and they are everywhere but they are not George Soros. Remove the scales from one's eyes and one will see the difference between those that are in it for oneself and those that are trying to find a way for everyone. The differences are there and they are stark. To recognize it though one has to clear the mind of negativity, from a fundamental perspective just stop the finger pointing.

An engineer would suggest when overwhelmed with contradictory awareness, it seems that too many paths to a solution exist. In the socio-political game many paths are presented and many of them are simply wrong intentionally realized by propaganda to lead to non-solutions and general confusion. They are the products of r-complex evil. Remain positive and never let go of the notion that it is about 'Us', not 'Them'. One step at a time!

Aragorn
20th October 2018, 17:43
I still don't comprehend where notion of nationalism you and Chris are talking about is coming from. From my perspective it is like 'feeding your own family before feeding the world'.

This I understand, and I will defer to Chris' excellent post here (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/12627-Trump-vs-The-Deep-State?p=842002213&viewfull=1#post842002213), in which he explains how nationalism grew out of tribalism, and how it has evolved over the years. :)


The US spends billions + of dollars to support other nations, and yet here at home there is a growing poverty and an infrastructure that is falling apart. It just makes more sense to me to take care of our own first. I liken it to a young mother that gives so much of herself to her family that she soon has nothing left to give...she has to learn to take care of herself first in order to have something to give to others.

I hear where you're coming from, and if it were indeed only that, then this support for other nations would be innocent. Sadly enough, that's not what the US' aid to foreign nations is about. What is really is, is a mere extension of the Marshall Plan that was effected after World War II, and which was one of the main reasons as to why the USA got involved in World War II in the first place.

The British government had previously asked the USA three times for help in the war against Hitler, but the USA had until then always declined. As I've already mentioned elsewhere — and as is well known among historians — the USA actually had business dealings going on with Nazi-Germany. It was only after the (US-provoked) Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor in 1942 that the USA got involved in World War II — as you know, Japan had engaged itself in a military alliance with Nazi-Germany and Fascist Italy in those days, and was logistically heavily supported by the Nazis.

However, with the Soviet Union fighting alongside the Allied Forces in Europe, the USA feared that communism would gain a foothold in Western Europe after the war if the Russians were left to their own devices. And so a plan was devised in which the USA would be fighting alongside the other Allied Forces, and would then after the war help rebuild Europe by expanding the US' corporate power into Western Europe, thereby pushing back communism while also establishing a military presence here in Western Europe, just in case the Russians were to have any funny ideas. In fact, both Douglas McArthur and George Patton had plans for getting together with the remaining Nazis near the end of the war, with the intent of conquering Russia and destroying communism.

What I'm getting at here is that the USA had an ulterior motive for getting involved in World War II, and that as a nation, it has been conducting itself in the exact same manner ever since. And therefore, any aid that the USA gives to any foreign nation is always with the intent of expanding the US corporate empire. It has nothing to do with genuine humanitarianism, because the US government doesn't care the least bit more about the actual people in those foreign nations than it does about its own people.

The key to understanding it all is in the perversion of the phrase "government by the people, and for the people". The government of the USA is neither by the people nor for the people. It is government by the corporate world, and for the corporate world. And for that matter, it is not all that different really in the rest of the western world, but it is most prominent in the USA, because of the very way in which the US government and the US electoral system work.


That being said, there is nothing preventing us as a people from uniting with others around the world...except governments with their own agendas that has nothing to do with what the people want.

Precisely. That is exactly what I was saying here-above. :)


Of the two forms of globalism you speak of...I think we can agree that the NWO form of globalism is totally unacceptable. But before we can reach the humanitarian globalism you mention, wouldn't we have to get rid of the Soros' and Rothchilds' and all who seek power and control over others? You know, the ones that have the resources to force their will on others without their consent.

Absolutely. If you think about it, then the financial-economical world — or otherwise put, the bankers and the hedge funds — are the ones who've got total control of the planet. Every industrial branch is dependent from it, all the way from the military-industrial complex over to Big Oil™, Big Coal™, Big Pharma™, and you name it. Even our private lives are dominated by money, and are directly affected by the sociopathic decisions made at Wall Street, the NY Stock Exchange, and whatever else there is. Governments even impose taxes upon us, which means that they are taking our money in order to finance their own follies and the expansion of the corporate empire.

We need to get rid of this system and move into a post-scarcity-based economy, similar to how it is in the United Federation of Planets in the Star Trek universe. After all — and it is crucial for people to understand this — while Earth's resources are limited, the scarcity is an artificial construct perpetrated by the banks. Once again, it's not about how much money and wealth one has, but about who has it, and who doesn't. That is their game.

Alas, the system has had so much time to secure itself and root itself deeply into the fabric of our (alleged) civilization that people cannot even fathom a world in which there wouldn't be any money, nor any scarcity. This was in fact one of the big debating points between our former colleague bsbray (known at Project Avalon these days as "A Voice from the Mountains") and myself. bsbray was a staunch proponent of capitalism — even though he only really became afflicted with that in the run-up to the 2016 US presidential elections — and he just couldn't see my point, regardless of how well I tried explaining it to him.

So if even members of this so-called "alternative community" can't grasp the concept of a world without money, then how is everyone in the mainstream going to be able to see it? And then how can we possibly bring about a post-scarcity economy? We are being ruled by an elite that not only created the scarcity-based economy model, but that is also actively defending, reinforcing and expanding the scarcity-based society on a daily basis. The power of this elite rests upon the acquiescence of the vast majority of the population, and this vast majority of the population has acquiesced to this. Because everyone has been brainwashed from their very early infancy on to accept this system as the norm.

We are caught in the predator's jaws, and I have no hope whatsoever that we will ever be able to get out of there. If humanity ever succeeds, then it would be nothing short of a miracle. And then it certainly won't be happening in my lifetime anymore. :hmm:


I see getting from where we are today and where we desire to be as a process.

Yes, but the process is going the wrong way. :hmm:

turiya
20th October 2018, 18:10
SerialBrain2




Dem's Control Black Population (https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/147146601/#147170576)

9 (https://qmap.pub/read/9)
Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 29 Oct 2017 - 10:30:26 PM

Projection
D’s can’t lose control over the black population.
At some point the great awakening will occur whereby these false local / national black leaders are corrupt and paid off to help keep the black pop poor and in need.
D’s formed the confederate states against freeing slaves.
D’s formed the KKK.
HRC’s mentor is who?
What happens if the truth about Haiti is released? Do D’s lose majority of the vote?
Through the looking glass.
They rely on the MSM to keep the narrative going but tech is entrenching on their controls. They missed this in 2016 and desperately attempting to censor now due to CIA cash infusions. This will fail.



The 2nd Sacrifice - Erasing History - Masonic Sorcery - By The War Drummer
(Oct 17, 2018)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMcJPZZoQzk
Description:


Skip to 10:30 to avoid the commercial portion.





Dem's Control Black Pop Con't (https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/147433975/#147443190)

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Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 29 1 Nov 2017 - 12:29:28 AM

Why do D’s want to control the black pop?
Why do they intentionally keep poor and in need?
Why do D’s project racism on a daily basis against R’s?
Why do black elected officials do the crazy talk on behalf of D’s?
How do D’s cover the historical facts of forming the confederacy, KKK, and oppose all things pro black re: legislation?
What happens if D’s lose the slave grip on the black pop?
Why do D’s, through the funding of the CIA, prop up and install Hollywood/media assets?
Does this fall within Operation Mockingbird?
What were the historical advantages D’s gained by having MSM and famous people peddling narrative?
Who exposed the pedo network within H wood?
You can’t answer the above but will laugh once disclose details.
The network which controls this false narrative which in turns keeps the black pop under control is being dismantled.
False local and national black leaders will be exposed next as shills for the D party.
Follow the money.
Maxine W has a $4mm home and cash assets in excess of $6mm.
How is that possible? One example.
All of these questions help to paint the full picture.






What Does Money Buy? (https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/148286642/#148287529)

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Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 29 6 Nov 2017 - 4:52:48 PM

What does money buy?
How do you prevent tampering?
Why are most forms of media left-wing?
Why is H-wood left-wing?
Why is the narrative so important?
Why do liberals defer to racism w/o proof?
No proof.
Who is HRC’s mentor?
What party was he affiliated with?
Proof.
What party formed the KKK?
What party formed the Confederacy?
What party abolished slavery?
Why are D’s attempting to erase history?
Is the black pop truly free today or enslaved by the D party?
Refer back to black pop crumbs.
Why is this relevant?
Why is there an attack the day after bad news is published (D)?
Do you believe in coincidences?
Paint the picture.
Crumbs will make bread.
Operations underway.
Operators active.
Pray.
Snow White.
Godfather III.
Q

turiya
20th October 2018, 21:03
Greg Hunter

Greg Hunter - Weekly News Wrap Up 10.19.18
(Oct 19, 2018)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_eQ9iQjxcU
Description:


Greg Hunter of USAWatchdog.com gives his take on the week's top stories in the Weekly News Wrap Up.


$21 Trillion “Missing”

Dr. Mark Skidmore - $21 Trillion “Missing” Money Huge Implications for Dollar
(Oct 13, 2018)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4XRbcBz2Z4
Description:


Michigan State Economics Professor Mark Dr. Skidmore says there is a limit to money printing even when all the global central banks are doing it. Skidmore says, “What does it mean when a central bank is buying equities, or buying debt with printed money in order to suppress interest rates and keep this game going? I think, overall, the whole world is awash in debt, and it’s expanding at a rate that is unsustainable. The only way it has been sustained is that interest rates have been falling for 30 years. Now, interest rates are no longer falling, and we are running up against a constraint. Now, if this $21 trillion in “missing” federal money really represents spending above and beyond what the official records indicate, then that has huge financial implications and huge implications for confidence in the dollar as the reserve currency. This is an enormous priority to address and not just cover up and say we are all good.” In closing, Dr. Skidmore says, “How can you have a democracy if you don’t have any transparency whatsoever? Having integrity and confidence is so essential to the whole system, and this just puts everything in question. . . . We should clean this up and show we are legitimate. If we don’t, we are just shooting ourselves in the foot.”

turiya
20th October 2018, 21:29
Dave Janda

Trump's 4 Triggers That Are Imploding The Deep State
(Oct 16, 2018)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vBrqeXBazs
Description:


The spotlight of this Briefing focuses on President Trump's triggering The Deep State into panic mode. Additional content is available at www.davejanda.com

Dave Janda explains what a SCIF is, as it relates to the following Q post...






Military Intelligence & State Secrets (https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/147433975/#147433975)

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Anonymous 31 Oct 2017 - 11:00:15 PM

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/MPsAAOSwls5Y7VO2/s-l640.jpg (https://cdn.qmap.pub/images/1509505215390.jpg)
1509505215390.jpg

SCI[F]
Military Intelligence.
What is 'State Secrets' and how upheld in the SC?
What must be completed to engage MI over other (3) letter agencies?
What must occur to allow for civilian trials?
Why is this relevant?
What was Flynn's background?
Why is this relevant?
Why did Adm R (NSA) meet Trump privately w/o auth?
Does POTUS know where the bodies are buried?
Does POTUS have the goods on most bad actors?
Was TRUMP asked to run for President?
Why?
By Who?
Was HRC next in line?
Was the election suppose to be rigged?
Did good people prevent the rigging?
Why did POTUS form a panel to investigate?
Has POTUS *ever* made a statement that did not become proven as true/fact?
What is POTUS in control of?
What is the one organization left that isn't corrupt?
Why does the military play such a vital role?
Why is POTUS surrounded by highly respected generals?
Who guards former Presidents?
Why is that relevant?
Who guards HRC?
Why is ANTIFA allowed to operate?
Why hasn't the MB been classified as a terrorist org?
What happens if Soros funded operations get violent and engage in domestic terrorism?
What happens if mayors/ police comms/chiefs do not enforce the law?
What authority does POTUS have specifically over the Marines?
Why is this important?
What is Mueller's background? Military?
Was Trump asked to run for President w/ assurances made to prevent tampering?
How is POTUS always 5-steps ahead?
Who is helping POTUS?




Dave Janda - Deep State Lashing Out Because it is Losing
(Oct 20, 2018)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fogcY-NNDg
Description:


Radio host Dr. Janda says, “I would say we are winning. The reason I say that is all these judicial appointments. . . . I believe we have a five to four rule of law majority in the Supreme Court. I believe (DOJ prosecutor) Huber has been working on these indictments behind the scenes, and they will be unsealed as soon as the declassification occurs. I believe military tribunals have been set up and will become more overt in their operation, but that doesn’t mean we have already won. We are winning, and we are in the process of winning. We have not won. That’s why I believe these midterm elections are so important. This is why we are seeing the hysteria out of the Deep State players that are the mid-level puppets.

This is why we see the Bookers, the Clintons, the Obamas and Bidens all lashing out. They know if people vote for rule of law candidates across the board and don’t buy into this agenda that the globalists are putting forward such as no border security, sanctuary cities, raising taxes, and if you don’t vote for us, we are going to beat the hell out of you, if they don’t buy into that agenda, the Deep State players know the rule of law will be implemented like it’s not been implemented for decades in America. The Deep State globalists are in the crosshairs of a true justice system as opposed to a justice system that is just smoke and mirrors.”

Fred Steeves
20th October 2018, 21:40
You know, I really don't understand it. You single-minded US Republicans and Trump fanboys already have your candidate in the White House. So why do you — i.e. the impersonal "you" — still feel the need to post that ludicrous pro-Trump propaganda everywhere?


So, I have no idea who it is that is being referred to with the statement above regarding "You Republicans". Again, 'blinders'.

Getting the picture?

Dude, I'm getting the picture alright. Actually after following the newest modern day messiah Donald J. Trump for 2 years, and his sidekick Q for 1 year now, I've had the picture for some time now and it does NOT match your above disclaimer in any shape or manner what so ever. Look me in the eye and tell me 8 Chan won't vote 100% Red Republican, and that Q followers won't vote 100% Red Republican next month.

There's a legitimate conversation to be had here, but not so long as you keep splashing the walls with stuff like 8 Chan hard Right Wing propaganda, while simultaneously denying there's anything Republican about it. Come on man...

Again, you can't have it both ways.

So I put together a quick little montage comprised of your direct quotes, along with the flashy colorful Corey Goode type of sensational headlines, showing just how partisan this whole deal is with "You Republicans":


The Dems need to take back the House, otherwise its GITMO for many.


Comey Donates Maximum Amount to Democratic Challenger in Virginia House Race


Mueller Holding Back the Russian Probe Report to Save Democrats from Huge Embarrassment before Midterms


Trump lays into Senator Warren


Limbaugh on Khashoggi:


CONFIRMED: George Soros Funded Fusion GPS; Dirty Dem Money Helped Back Bogus Trump Dossier


We are now seeing leakers being arrested and these leakers are tracking right back to Obama and Clinton and the Mueller investigation.


Corrupt Maxine Waters Obstructed Oversight into Uranium One Cash Flows to the Clintons


Dem's Control Black Population


Q !!mG7VJxZNCI[/B] 29 1 Nov 2017 - 12:29:28 AM

Why do D’s want to control the black pop?
Why do they intentionally keep poor and in need?
Why do D’s project racism on a daily basis against R’s?
Why do black elected officials do the crazy talk on behalf of D’s?
How do D’s cover the historical facts of forming the confederacy, KKK, and oppose all things pro black re: legislation?
What happens if D’s lose the slave grip on the black pop?
Why do D’s, through the funding of the CIA, prop up and install Hollywood/media assets?...

Ready for a legitimate conversation, or keep this shit up?

Aianawa
20th October 2018, 21:54
Imo we are in a > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversation >

9 External links

Definition and characterization[edit]

No generally accepted definition of conversation exists, beyond the fact that a conversation involves at least two people talking together.[1] Consequently, the term is often defined by what it is not. A ritualized exchange such as a mutual greeting is not a conversation, and an interaction that includes a marked status differential (such as a boss giving orders) is also not a conversation.[2] An interaction with a tightly focused topic or purpose is also generally not considered a conversation.[3] Summarizing these properties, one authority writes that "Conversation is the kind of speech that happens informally, symmetrically, and for the purposes of establishing and maintaining social ties."[4]

From a less technical perspective, a writer on etiquette in the early 20th century defined conversation as the polite give and take of subjects thought of by people talking with each other for company.[5]

Conversations follow rules of etiquette because conversations are social interactions, and therefore depend on social convention. Specific rules for conversation arise from the cooperative principle. Failure to adhere to these rules causes the conversation to deteriorate or eventually to end. Contributions to a conversation are responses to what has previously been said.

Conversations may be the optimal form of communication, depending on the participants' intended ends. Conversations may be ideal when, for example, each party desires a relatively equal exchange of information, or when the parties desire to build social ties. On the other hand, if permanency or the ability to review such information is important, written communication may be ideal. Or if time-efficient communication is most important, a speech may be preferable.

Conversation involves a lot more nuanced and implied context that lies beneath just the words.[6]

Conversation is generally face-to-face person-to-person at the same time (synchronous) – possibly online with video applications such as Skype, but might also include audio-only phone calls. It would not generally include internet written communication which tends to be asynchronous (not same time – can read and respond later if at all) and does not fit the 'con'='with' in 'conversation'. In face to face conversation it has been suggested that 85% of the communication is non-verbal/body language – a smile, a frown, a shrug, tone of voice conveying much added meaning to the mere words. Short forms of written communication such as sms are thus frequently misunderstood. Yet the convenience and apparent control makes them increasingly popular now that many people seem to prefer to communicate via short text or Facebook post and/or 'like' than actually meeting face to face.

Face to face conversation is increasingly deemed less important when people have already seen all the relevant news about the other person they have already shared online. Also people would typically never say face to face some things they might easily write with the apparent impunity of anonymous online posts. To this extent the decreasing popularity of face to face conversation can be seen as a loss to society and civility.

modwiz
20th October 2018, 23:08
Imo we are in a > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversation >

9 External links

Definition and characterization[edit]

No generally accepted definition of conversation exists, beyond the fact that a conversation involves at least two people talking together.[1] Consequently, the term is often defined by what it is not. A ritualized exchange such as a mutual greeting is not a conversation, and an interaction that includes a marked status differential (such as a boss giving orders) is also not a conversation.[2] An interaction with a tightly focused topic or purpose is also generally not considered a conversation.[3] Summarizing these properties, one authority writes that "Conversation is the kind of speech that happens informally, symmetrically, and for the purposes of establishing and maintaining social ties."[4]

From a less technical perspective, a writer on etiquette in the early 20th century defined conversation as the polite give and take of subjects thought of by people talking with each other for company.[5]

Conversations follow rules of etiquette because conversations are social interactions, and therefore depend on social convention. Specific rules for conversation arise from the cooperative principle. Failure to adhere to these rules causes the conversation to deteriorate or eventually to end. Contributions to a conversation are responses to what has previously been said.

Conversations may be the optimal form of communication, depending on the participants' intended ends. Conversations may be ideal when, for example, each party desires a relatively equal exchange of information, or when the parties desire to build social ties. On the other hand, if permanency or the ability to review such information is important, written communication may be ideal. Or if time-efficient communication is most important, a speech may be preferable.

Conversation involves a lot more nuanced and implied context that lies beneath just the words.[6]

Conversation is generally face-to-face person-to-person at the same time (synchronous) – possibly online with video applications such as Skype, but might also include audio-only phone calls. It would not generally include internet written communication which tends to be asynchronous (not same time – can read and respond later if at all) and does not fit the 'con'='with' in 'conversation'. In face to face conversation it has been suggested that 85% of the communication is non-verbal/body language – a smile, a frown, a shrug, tone of voice conveying much added meaning to the mere words. Short forms of written communication such as sms are thus frequently misunderstood. Yet the convenience and apparent control makes them increasingly popular now that many people seem to prefer to communicate via short text or Facebook post and/or 'like' than actually meeting face to face.

Face to face conversation is increasingly deemed less important when people have already seen all the relevant news about the other person they have already shared online. Also people would typically never say face to face some things they might easily write with the apparent impunity of anonymous online posts. To this extent the decreasing popularity of face to face conversation can be seen as a loss to society and civility.

Good action on your part, Aianawa. We are in a time that is both important and complex. Written text is no way to proceed with such matters. Assertions bear the burden of evidence and are best challenged as each assertion emerges. Text allows multiple assertions to be made that then need to be addressed as one big clusterfuck of entangled ideas. Not a sane way to proceed. I will not take part in insanity.

Melidae
20th October 2018, 23:35
That's an excellent clarification Aragorn...I would have thought it unnecessary to point out...but there ya' go..

Ahhh, but it was necessary. You see, both Chris and Aragorn don't know me. I believe they made assumptions because of the simple way I like to put things. They don't know how well-read I am or how high my IQ may be...they were just trying to help someone they felt was fairly ignorant on the subject. I just wanted to find out how they came to the conclusions they have since they state them as 'known fact'. I applaud them for their attempt at helping.

We all know history changes according to what 'they' need you to believe in order to take the next steps they have envisioned. I have history books dating from the 1920's and encyclopedias from the 1950's. A few words changed here and there in the next printing, and the next, and the one after that...you get the idea...and going back to what was printed in the 20's vs. today is wild. The meaning of words change as well... ie nationalism was good when it suited their purpose. Today nationalism is bad because of the 'plan' the NWO has in place for the globalism they desire.

Because of their help, I comprehend why they believe as they do. That is a positive thing. If we do not agree on the meaning of words/of history, a meaningful conversation cannot take place. Perhaps that is part of the reason why there is so much divisiveness between people.

Fred Steeves
20th October 2018, 23:39
Imo we are in a > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversation >

9 External links

Definition and characterization[edit]

No generally accepted definition of conversation exists, beyond the fact that a conversation involves at least two people talking together.[1] Consequently, the term is often defined by what it is not. A ritualized exchange such as a mutual greeting is not a conversation, and an interaction that includes a marked status differential (such as a boss giving orders) is also not a conversation.[2] An interaction with a tightly focused topic or purpose is also generally not considered a conversation.[3] Summarizing these properties, one authority writes that "Conversation is the kind of speech that happens informally, symmetrically, and for the purposes of establishing and maintaining social ties."[4]

From a less technical perspective, a writer on etiquette in the early 20th century defined conversation as the polite give and take of subjects thought of by people talking with each other for company.[5]

Conversations follow rules of etiquette because conversations are social interactions, and therefore depend on social convention. Specific rules for conversation arise from the cooperative principle. Failure to adhere to these rules causes the conversation to deteriorate or eventually to end. Contributions to a conversation are responses to what has previously been said.

Conversations may be the optimal form of communication, depending on the participants' intended ends. Conversations may be ideal when, for example, each party desires a relatively equal exchange of information, or when the parties desire to build social ties. On the other hand, if permanency or the ability to review such information is important, written communication may be ideal. Or if time-efficient communication is most important, a speech may be preferable.

Conversation involves a lot more nuanced and implied context that lies beneath just the words.[6]

Conversation is generally face-to-face person-to-person at the same time (synchronous) – possibly online with video applications such as Skype, but might also include audio-only phone calls. It would not generally include internet written communication which tends to be asynchronous (not same time – can read and respond later if at all) and does not fit the 'con'='with' in 'conversation'. In face to face conversation it has been suggested that 85% of the communication is non-verbal/body language – a smile, a frown, a shrug, tone of voice conveying much added meaning to the mere words. Short forms of written communication such as sms are thus frequently misunderstood. Yet the convenience and apparent control makes them increasingly popular now that many people seem to prefer to communicate via short text or Facebook post and/or 'like' than actually meeting face to face.

Face to face conversation is increasingly deemed less important when people have already seen all the relevant news about the other person they have already shared online. Also people would typically never say face to face some things they might easily write with the apparent impunity of anonymous online posts. To this extent the decreasing popularity of face to face conversation can be seen as a loss to society and civility.


Vern, I love you man you're a good guy, but if we must get into the parsing of what a conversation is, then we may as well get into parsing what the meaning of the word "is", is...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4XT-l-_3y0

Emil El Zapato
20th October 2018, 23:52
Vern, I love you man you're a good guy, but if we must get into the parsing of what a conversation is, then we may as well get into parsing what the meaning of the word "is", is...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4XT-l-_3y0

lol, this reminds me of when I was in a math course and a teacher asked us to 'prove' that 1+1 = 2 and then 1 + 2 = 3...etc. In this case it was more than a few steps below but leading up to a proof of computational complexity.

One of the students remarked to me, "What the f*ck for, isn't it obvious...I laughed and of course, agreed" He couldn't do mathematical proofs but he was nevertheless correct.

Melidae
21st October 2018, 00:00
Good action on your part, Aianawa. We are in a time that is both important and complex. Written text is no way to proceed with such matters. Assertions bear the burden of evidence and are best challenged as each assertion emerges. Text allows multiple assertions to be made that then need to be addressed as one big clusterfuck of entangled ideas. Not a sane way to proceed. I will not take part in insanity.

Yeah, and leave it to me to try to untangle some of the mess. I just wanted a simple, straight answer...an answer from one's own critical thinking, and maybe even a bit of thinking outside of the box. I should know better by now. :fpalm:

You are definitely more disciplined and wiser than I in my insatiable need to understand how people come to the conclusions they do. :tiphat:

turiya
21st October 2018, 00:18
Dude, I'm getting the picture alright. Actually after following the newest modern day messiah Donald J. Trump for 2 years, and his sidekick Q for 1 year now, I've had the picture for some time now and it does NOT match your above disclaimer in any shape or manner what so ever. Look me in the eye and tell me 8 Chan won't vote 100% Red Republican, and that Q followers won't vote 100% Red Republican next month.

There's a legitimate conversation to be had here, but not so long as you keep splashing the walls with stuff like 8 Chan hard Right Wing propaganda, while simultaneously denying there's anything Republican about it. Come on man...

Again, you can't have it both ways.

So I put together a quick little montage comprised of your direct quotes, along with the flashy colorful Corey Goode type of sensational headlines, showing just how partisan this whole deal is with "You Republicans":

Ready for a legitimate conversation, or keep this shit up?

Well, I have my doubts that truly sensible &/or civil conversation can be had when the tone of the verbiage being used comes across as being accusatory and packed with a bit of emotion.

But I will give it a shot.

I think it was Melidae, yes, that's who it was, that had said it quite simply & plainly enough... as follows:


I do not see this as right vs. left. I see this as nationalism vs. globalism. It is just being played out on the world stage by the US first. Don't be fooled. What happens here will affect every country sooner or later.

True. But it goes deeper than nationalism vs globalism. Its about control. And the best way to control a large segment of a population of people is to keep them divided amongst themselves, to keep them fighting with each other, to keep them at each others throats.

The controllers move on a completely different axis than the axis that they got us - 'We the People' - moving on. We just have to pull ourselves out of the quagmire that we been led in to, so we can turn this thing around on them. To put their feet to the fire.

Sure, Fred, the items you've gathered together shows what is taking place within the population at large. The population-at-large is moving on a horizontal plane. Its a right-left axis. Its a Democrat vs Republican, a black vs white, Christian vs Muslim, a man vs woman axis - this is horizontal. Its the same axis that animals are moving on. They are living their lives on the horizontal plane. That is the plane of survival. It is horizontal. From cradle to the grave. Its got us fighting like animals. Animals live on a territorial horizontal plane. Who is going to survive?

This conservative / liberal thing, this right / left axis is pure BS. Its pure theater, its meant to divide & conquer. Its meant to have everybody at each other's throats. Survival of the fittest.

Meanwhile, the Deep State - the globalist syndicate - they're on a different axis. They're working / living from the up/down axis. Up, being freedom - Down, being oppression. Up, being consciously aware. Down being unconsciously stupid. Their game is control. Their goal is to strip as much liberty & freedom & wealth from as many American people, from as many people of the world as they can. To oppress & exploit as many people as possible. They work to keep us -The People - ignorant & then exploit us while we are fighting each other while we are in our ignorance. So to have a greater amount of wealth, to have greater amount of control over keeping us divided. That's the axis they work from. And, they've done a great job at their manipulation game.

And, they use the left / right axis to keep us divided - to divide & conquer us.

Now, the things that you've gathered from what has been posted is simply showing how human population has been brainwashed. Showing the ways that the population has been moving on the horizontal axis. Through propaganda, belief, in the lies that are fed over & over & over again, so it is 'believed' to be the true reality. To keep us distracted. To keep us engaged, entertained, to keep us fighting w/ each other. The lies have been fed to the human population for a very, very long time - for generations! The propaganda goes quite deep. Its in your bone marrow. That's why the emotional charge. It goes very, very deep.

I don't expect that our little "conversation" is going to have much of an affect on anybody. Like I said before in a previous post. The one who is wearing blinders is the only one that can take them off, by their own hands, by their own willingness to take them off.

One may not be able to have it both ways. But one can understand what is taking place. One can see both sides of what is taking place. What can gain the eyes to see it what is taking place on the horizontal axis, and what is taking place on the vertical axis. Nothing more needs to be done. Just having the eyes to see it, it is enough.

Certainly, it may not be such an easy thing to do. It may not be the most 'convenient' thing that one would want to do. Like peeling off a layer of one's own skin. It would NOT be the most pleasant thing that one would like to do. Like, pulling oneself out of one's own grave, so-to-speak. :)

In other words, one may not necessarily have it both ways, but one can see it both ways. That is what is called 'awareness'. It is also called 'waking up'.
:)

modwiz
21st October 2018, 00:59
Yeah, and leave it to me to try to untangle some of the mess. I just wanted a simple, straight answer...an answer from one's own critical thinking, and maybe even a bit of thinking outside of the box. I should know better by now. :fpalm:

You are definitely more disciplined and wiser than I in my insatiable need to understand how people come to the conclusions they do. :tiphat:

I hear echoes of the ideas people post from two main sources, MSM and alternative, sometimes 'right/red' voices. So, that is my understanding of people. Lack of original thinking that results in polarized 'parrotives'. One can take the stance of an observer who knows how they feel about a subject yet await the unfolding pf processes so that they reveal themselves. As an an observer, keenly aware of how I feel about data as it emerges but, hold off a judging a subject until more evidence, (how it affects my real world life) is at hand. I do not engage in Pre-Traumatic Stress Disorder.:D.

I am enjoying the outrage by some over the NPC meme. If there was no truth to it there would not be such triggering. It is best to ignore what one perceives as an insult, lest one energize the antagonist that sees they have hit close to 'home'.

I am participating in this thread, and glad others are doing so, this way Aragorn is not moved to close it for lack of participation. He did state he would do so, if it was just Turiya posting in it.

turiya
21st October 2018, 01:11
From: Twitter page

Praying Medic...







http://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/GENRL_TWEETS/Praying_Medic/Qanon_PRAYING_MEDIC_Twitter_LOGO.png (https://twitter.com/prayingmedic/status/1050592239028588544)

GITMO Has A New Chief War Court Judge

https://images03.military.com/sites/default/files/styles/full/public/2018-10/frontier.png.jpg?itok=oSYrXCPp
Mattis Names Army Colonel as Guantanamo's Chief War Court Judge
Col. Douglas K. Watkins, 56, is currently handling hearings in the war crimes case against Guantanamo prisoner Majid Khan.
military.com

5:24 PM - 7 Oct 2018








http://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/GENRL_TWEETS/Praying_Medic/Qanon_PRAYING_MEDIC_Twitter_LOGO.png (https://twitter.com/prayingmedic/status/1053718839622492160)

One Russian company charged by Mueller showed up to challenge the charges.

The Judge has ordered Mueller's team to prove they meddled in the election.

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1053716246812942337/QnibXf4c?format=jpg&name=600x314 (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-20/judge-orders-mueller-prove-russian-company-meddled-election)
Judge Orders Mueller To Prove Russian Company Meddled In Election
"There is no statute of interfering with an election. There just isn’t," said Dubelier, who added that Mueller's office alleged a "made-up crime to fit the facts they have."
zerohedge.com

5:24 PM - 7 Oct 2018




GITMO is For THEM -- Craig Sawyer
(Oct 14, 2018)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFlo56frRSM

Fred Steeves
21st October 2018, 01:39
Well, I have my doubts that truly sensible &/or civil conversation can be had when the tone of the verbiage being used comes across as being accusatory and packed with a bit of emotion.

But I will give it a shot.

I think it was Melidae, yes, that's who it was, that had said it quite simply & plainly enough... as follows:



True. But it goes deeper than nationalism vs globalism. Its about control. And the best way to control a large segment of a population of people is to keep them divided amongst themselves, to keep them fighting with each other, to keep them at each others throats.

The controllers move on a completely different axis than the axis that they got us - 'We the People' - moving on. We just have to pull ourselves out of the quagmire that we been led in to, so we can turn this thing around on them. To put their feet to the fire.

Sure, Fred, the items you've gathered together shows what is taking place within the population at large. The population-at-large is moving on a horizontal plane. Its a right-left axis. Its a Democrat vs Republican, a black vs white, Christian vs Muslim, a man vs woman axis - this is horizontal. Its the same axis that animals are moving on. They are living their lives on the horizontal plane. That is the plane of survival. It is horizontal. From cradle to the grave. Its got us fighting like animals. Animals live on a territorial horizontal plane. Who is going to survive?

This conservative / liberal thing, this right / left axis is pure BS. Its pure theater, its meant to divide & conquer. Its meant to have everybody at each other's throats. Survival of the fittest.

Meanwhile, the Deep State - the globalist syndicate - they're on a different axis. They're working / living from the up/down axis. Up, being freedom - Down, being oppression. Up, being consciously aware. Down being unconsciously stupid. Their game is control. Their goal is to strip as much liberty & freedom & wealth from as many American people, from as many people of the world as they can. To oppress & exploit as many people as possible. They work to keep us -The People - ignorant & then exploit us while we are fighting each other while we are in our ignorance. So to have a greater amount of wealth, to have greater amount of control over keeping us divided. That's the axis they work from. And, they've done a great job at their manipulation game.

And, they use the left / right axis to keep us divided - to divide & conquer us.

Now, the things that you've gathered from what has been posted is simply showing how human population has been brainwashed. Showing the ways that the population has been moving on the horizontal axis. Through propaganda, belief, in the lies that are fed over & over & over again, so it is 'believed' to be the true reality. To keep us distracted. To keep us engaged, entertained, to keep us fighting w/ each other. The lies have been fed to the human population for a very, very long time - for generations! The propaganda goes quite deep. Its in your bone marrow. That's why the emotional charge. It goes very, very deep.

I don't expect that our little "conversation" is going to have much of an affect on anybody. Like I said before in a previous post. The one who is wearing blinders is the only one that can take them off, by their own hands, by their own willingness to take them off.

One may not be able to have it both ways. But one can understand what is taking place. One can see both sides of what is taking place. What can gain the eyes to see it what is taking place on the horizontal axis, and what is taking place on the vertical axis. Nothing more needs to be done. Just having the eyes to see it, it is enough.

Certainly, it may not be such an easy thing to do. It may not be the most 'convenient' thing that one would want to do. Like peeling off a layer of one's own skin. It would NOT be the most pleasant thing that one would like to do. Like, pulling oneself out of one's own grave, so-to-speak. :)

In other words, one may not necessarily have it both ways, but one can see it both ways. That is what is called 'awareness'. It is also called 'waking up'.
:)

I wish you could have made an attempt at dazzling me with brilliance turiya, but instead you're again attempting to baffle me with bullshit.

NASA - Never A Straight Answer.

turiya
21st October 2018, 02:14
The Greatest Military Operation of Our Time

Have you ever seen someone looking for their eyeglasses when they are actually wearing them?
The same can be said about blinders... some don't even know that the have them on... The blind leading the blind...

Source: qmap.pub (https://qmap.pub/)


https://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/GENRL_TWEETS/Q_ANON/000_THE_GREATEST_MILITARY_INTEL_OP_OF_OUR_TIME.png
INCOMING....

Aragorn
21st October 2018, 02:16
We are in a time that is both important and complex. Written text is no way to proceed with such matters. Assertions bear the burden of evidence and are best challenged as each assertion emerges. Text allows multiple assertions to be made that then need to be addressed as one big clusterfuck of entangled ideas.


The written word and the spoken word both have their advantages and their disadvantages.



The concept of discussing any given topic by way of text — especially on a forum such as this one — allows each individual assertion to be addressed separately by quoting the person who made the assertions, splitting up the quotes into paragraphs or even into individual sentences if required, and then writing one's own formulated reply underneath each of the split-up quotes.


It is easier to understand what is being asserted when the concepts are presented in a logical order and in a linguistically coherent manner, which is made possible here at the forum by one's elaborate ability to edit one's text and reformulate one's sentences before committing one's reply to the database, not to mention that The One Truth, our sister forum Eye-Rise and even Project Avalon still allow all members with an active account to edit their posts after those posts have already been committed to the database. Neither of these things are possible with real-time communication through the spoken word.


The creation of a post does not allow for one's train of thought — nor that of the reader, once the post has been committed — to be interrupted by an interlocutor who would like clarification on a particular segment of the communication, or who does not agree with something being said by another interlocutor, whether the point of disagreement is relevant to the subject being discussed or not. As such, the conversation as a whole does not get sidetracked onto an unintended tangent by one or two impulsive interlocutors, while at the same time, all topical assertions are still left intact, comprehensible, and — quite crucially — they remain retrievable at a later time.


I guess we could add the use of bullet points to the above list, albeit that I consider that part of the logical presentation mentioned in the first bullet point above, hereby demonstrated as part of the assertion.



Not a sane way to proceed. I will not take part in insanity.

While I can both understand and accept that you loathe typing, you are making a grave mistake by denigrating the use of the written word in general as an excuse for your personal vendetta with the keyboard of your computer.

Furthermore, The One Truth is a discussion forum, specifically intended for communication via the written word, and just as specifically because of the advantages of the written word that I've listed higher up in this post.





I just wanted a simple, straight answer...an answer from one's own critical thinking, and maybe even a bit of thinking outside of the box. I should know better by now. :fpalm:

Are you saying that Chris and I cannot think outside of the box? Well, I cannot speak for Chris — and I'm going to let him address that himself, if he so chooses — but when it comes to myself, then I'm afraid you know me only just as badly as I know you — which I admit that I do.

If you look at my posting history, or if you think back to what The One Truth used to look like and what a mess it was in when I came on board, versus what it looks like now and the atmosphere of trust we have now, then I think you will find that I'm quite capable of thinking out of the box and of thinking for myself.

We don't have an emoticon for a single-eyebrow frown in the style of Mr. Spock, or else I would be using it right now. I guess I'm just going to have to settle for a wry face then.


:wry:

turiya
21st October 2018, 02:30
From:

Trump recent tweet










http://curezone.com/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/TRUMP_TWEETS/TRUMP_TWITTER_ICON_5.png (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1053807130120200192)

All levels of government and Law Enforcement are watching carefully for VOTER FRAUD, including during EARLY VOTING. Cheat at your own peril. Violators will be subject to maximum penalties, both civil and criminal!

5:36 PM - 20 Oct 2018




Nation Longs For More Civilized Age
When Politicians Settled Disputes With Pistols (https://www.theburningplatform.com/2018/10/20/nation-longs-for-more-civilized-age-when-politicians-settled-disputes-with-pistols/)

Via The Babylon Bee (https://babylonbee.com/news/nation-longs-for-more-civilized-age-when-politicians-settled-disputes-with-pistols)

https://render.fineartamerica.com/images/rendered/default/greeting-card/images/artworkimages/medium/1/duel-between-burr-and-hamilton-american-school.jpg?&targetx=0&targety=-2&imagewidth=700&imageheight=500&modelwidth=700&modelheight=500&backgroundcolor=B3B0AB&orientation=0


U.S.—Upon looking at the bleak, uncivilized nature of our political discourse, millions of people across the nation announced Thursday they are feeling nostalgic for a more refined time when politicians just shot each other with pistols to resolve their differences.







http://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/GENRL_TWEETS/Praying_Medic/Qanon_PRAYING_MEDIC_Twitter_LOGO.png (https://twitter.com/prayingmedic/status/1053810210840600576)

Any more questions about voter fraud?


Donald Trump @realDonaldTrump
All levels of government and Law Enforcement are watching carefully for VOTER FRAUD, including during EARLY VOTING. Cheat at your own peril. Violators will be subject to maximum penalties, both civil and criminal!

5:48 PM - 20 Oct 2018

palooka's revenge
21st October 2018, 02:57
From:







http://curezone.com/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/TRUMP_TWEETS/TRUMP_TWITTER_ICON_5.png (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1046473870650290176)

All levels of government and Law Enforcement are watching carefully for VOTER FRAUD, including during EARLY VOTING. Cheat at your own peril. Violators will be subject to maximum penalties, both civil and criminal!

11:56 AM - 30 Sep 2018



well, i invite him to come to georgia then and bring a big stick. oh wait, he's already been here. no prob here. move along folks.

here's how it works... write a bill requiring "exact match" that is just another form of gerrymandering without moving boarders around. vote it into law by a rebub controlled congress. then have yer sec of st cherry pick registrations to come up with a "pruge" list. then run him for gov...

Aragorn
21st October 2018, 03:05
well, i invite him to come to georgia then and bring a big stick. oh wait, he's already been here. no prob here. move along folks.

here's how it works... write a bill requiring "exact match" that is just another form of gerrymandering without moving boarders around. vote it into law by a rebub controlled congress. then have yer sec of st cherry pick registrations to come up with a "pruge" list. then run him for gov...

I have no idea what any of that means, but it sounds like fun. :p

turiya
21st October 2018, 03:13
True Pundit

Speaking of borders...



https://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/GENRL_TWEETS/THOMAS_PAINE_TRUE_PUNDIT.png (https://twitter.com/Thomas1774Paine/status/1052691999869022208)

Nearly 100 ISIS Terrorist Arrests Prompt Worries About Caravan

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1053622101419139072/4g6600ub?format=jpg&name=600x314 (https://truepundit.com/nearly-100-isis-terrorist-arrests-prompt-worries-about-caravan/)
Nearly 100 ISIS Terrorist Arrests Prompt Worries About Caravan
Arrests of nearly 100 ISIS terrorists in Guatemala has a Washington, D.C., nonprofit government watchdog sounding alarms on that huge caravan of migrants marching north from that country and Honduras through Mexico to the U.S. border.
“Guatemala has long been known as a major smuggling corridor for foreigners from African and Asian countries making their way into the U.S,” Judicial Watch said Friday. “All this makes ISIS terrorists operating in Guatemala incredibly alarming.”
Guatemalan President Jimmy Morales told the Conference for Prosperity and Security in Central America last week that “not only have we arrested them within our territory, but they have been deported to their countries of origin.” The arrests were made following investigations assisted by intelligence agencies of other countries, which Morales declined to name.
truepundit.com

3:45 PM - 17 Oct 2018 (https://twitter.com/Thomas1774Paine/status/1053794252428402691)


And, Pompeo corrects the MSM Fake News release...


https://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/GENRL_TWEETS/THOMAS_PAINE_TRUE_PUNDIT.png (https://twitter.com/Thomas1774Paine/status/1053771603035721730)

Pompeo scolds ABC News for ‘factually false’ report he listened to Khashoggi murder tape

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1053635293260201985/IjGVCBIn?format=jpg&name=600x314 (https://truepundit.com/pompeo-scolds-abc-news-for-factually-false-report-he-listened-to-khashoggi-murder-tape/)
Pompeo scolds ABC News for ‘factually false’ report he listened to Khashoggi murder tape
Secretary of State Mike Pompeo is flatly denying an ABC News report that said he listened to, and read the transcript of, audio of columnist Jamal Khashoggi being murdered in the Saudi Arabian consulate in Istanbul.
ABC quoted a “senior Turkish official” for the bombshell story that indirectly confirms that such a tape exists and that a Saudi hit squad killed Mr. Khashoggi.

“I will take your Khashoggi question and only that one,” he said. “I’ve seen no tape. I’ve seen no – or I’ve heard no tape. I’ve seen no transcript. And the network that reported that ought to pull down the headline that says I have.”
truepundit.com

3:15 PM - 20 Oct 2018 (https://twitter.com/Thomas1774Paine/status/1053771603035721730)

Here ya go, Fred Steeves, Soros ain't no Democrat, he's just a rich bastard that pays the left politicians off... to do his bidding in taking down this country... put that in your pipe, if you can see as to where you've placed the damn thing... :)


https://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/GENRL_TWEETS/THOMAS_PAINE_TRUE_PUNDIT.png (https://twitter.com/Thomas1774Paine/status/1053745188957503493)

Rep. Scalise: Soros-Funded Radicals Have Overtaken The Democratic Party

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1052186897676681216/jaFqWmVy?format=jpg&name=600x314 (https://truepundit.com/rep-scalise-soros-funded-radicals-have-overtaken-the-democratic-party/)
Rep. Scalise: Soros-Funded Radicals Have Overtaken The Democratic Party
Congressman Steve Scalise (R-LA), the House Majority Whip who was nearly gunned down by a radical anti-Trump socialist in 2017, has warned that the Democratic Party is now under control of a radical base fueled and funded by the likes of George Soros.
In an op-ed for Fox News, the GOP congressman highlights several “shocking reports” in recent days where Republican candidates have either been harassed or met with cruel violence.
“We are less than 20 days out from Election Day and the shocking reports of attacks against Republican candidates and volunteers keep getting worse,” Scalise laments. “In Minnesota, two Republican candidates for state office were punched.”
truepundit.com

3:15 PM - 20 Oct 2018 (https://twitter.com/Thomas1774Paine/status/1053745188957503493)



As it has been already discussed. The brainwashing goes quite deep.
A good example of this is how clever & deceptive 'The Masters of Deception' have been - a.k.a the Rothschild & Rockefeller central bankers (and their minions). They've really done an absolute supreme job in how they've laid out their deception through the wording that is contained within the Internal Revenue Code - ...pssst... yes, the bankers wrote the IRCode.


https://i.imgur.com/P6QdZuV.gif
A Multiplicity of Agent Smiths

As in the movie, The Matrix , the Masters of Deception have set their scheme up so that 'We the People' will (unwittingly) act as 'agents' (as in a multiplicity of Agent Smiths) working for the control system (in this case, the control mechanism is the IRS). Under the threat of fine or imprisonment, they've got just about everyone in our society working against one another, watching each other, "see something, say something" about each other. They've worked their magic in a way that has got people going at each others' throats. In effect, they've got People 'ratting' on other people because they think they are not paying their 'fair share' in taxes, not doing what they themselves have been brainwashed into believing they should do. The use of the 'fear' factor has worked extremely well in this case, as well as with other dimensions of our society.

In other words, Fred, if one is not 100% aware of what is taking place, undoubtedly, that individual will unwittingly be working as an agent for this corrupted system. Working to keep us - 'We the People' - divided & fighting with each other.

So, do yourself a favor Fred Steeves, it takes real guts to self-examine oneself. You, yourself, have quoted Socrates with every post that you have written on this forum.


"An unexamined life is a life that is not worth living"

Or, are they words that just sound good? Or maybe, they just look good... Come on, Fred, take a real good look & then pull yourself out of your grave, man!


https://i.imgur.com/dNAH1KZ.gif

Melidae
21st October 2018, 11:26
Are you saying that Chris and I cannot think outside of the box? Well, I cannot speak for Chris — and I'm going to let him address that himself, if he so chooses — but when it comes to myself, then I'm afraid you know me only just as badly as I know you — which I admit that I do.

If you look at my posting history, or if you think back to what The One Truth used to look like and what a mess it was in when I came on board, versus what it looks like now and the atmosphere of trust we have now, then I think you will find that I'm quite capable of thinking out of the box and of thinking for myself.

We don't have an emoticon for a single-eyebrow frown in the style of Mr. Spock, or else I would be using it right now. I guess I'm just going to have to settle for a wry face then.


:wry:

Apologies, Aragorn. I intended no insult. I did not say that you cannot think outside of the box...it is more that it is well cloaked in a mixture of history and assumptions that others agree with that version of history and that particular meaning of certain words. Perhaps my question was poorly phrased. I'll try to do better.

I do remember TOT before you came. There was a camaraderie and a lightness and fun...as well as trust. There was a gentleness of response to people who thought differently than the prevailing view...a seeking to understand and really listen to each other without malice or insult...a sharing of opinions without judgment. At least until the the influx of refuges from PA appeared, followed by the blue chicken cult...which was sorely mishandled, imo. But trust now? No. Not for me.

Fred Steeves
21st October 2018, 12:59
In other words, Fred, if one is not 100% aware of what is taking place, undoubtedly, that individual will unwittingly be working as an agent for this corrupted system. Working to keep us - 'We the People' - divided & fighting with each other.

So, do yourself a favor Fred Steeves, it takes real guts to self-examine oneself. You, yourself, have quoted Socrates with every post that you have written on this forum.


"An unexamined life is a life that is not worth living"

Or, are they words that just sound good? Or maybe, they just look good... Come on, Fred, take a real good look & then pull yourself out of your grave, man!

I'll just let the enlightened ones have the stage on this game changing thread, pending of course. Trump, Q, turiya, etc., show us poor hapless Agent Smiths the way out of this dark forest through the political escape hatch, and spiritual or philosophical pursuits be damned.

Who knows, jam enough more splashy headlines in my face and you may yet convince me to join the RED WAVE, as Q urges, and vote Republican before the clock runs out next month. I mean hell, maybe it's really true that if we can just get the Left on the run once and for all, with the Right in full control for good this time, the sky's the limit to what this nation can accomplish under a President Trump with unfettered power.

I mean, now that you've got me seriously considering the implications of such a scenario, what could possibly go wrong?

Cheers :chrs:

Chris
21st October 2018, 13:49
:confused:

I must be really thick, because I have no idea what's going on in this thread any more...

Aragorn has mentioned this many times, but I think we are getting to a level of detail in this thread which pretty much requires you to be a pure-bred American to understand what's going on.

I would like to remark here that there seems to be a paranoid streak in American politics and public discourse that isn't healthy and goes back all the way to the Anti-Catholic League, John Birchers and such like.

I will leave you guys to it, but as Aragorn mentioned before there is life outside the United States and you could learn an awful lot by looking outside your borders once in a while and checking out what the view is like from over there. This doesn't apply to everyone of course, plenty of you here are open-minded enough to acknowledge the rest of the world and try to learn about it and from it, but the general trend of American insularism and isolationism is pretty unmistakable. I do not wish to be unkind, but you will probably find that in the foreseeable future, the rest of the world will care about as much about internal political disputes in the US as they do about those in Brazil or Indonesia.

I am sorry to have to break this to you, but the USA isn't nearly as important in world affairs these days as its inhabitants like to think. Frankly, both the UK and the US have become a laughing stock, with Brexit and Trump.

To me the whole Q/Trump phenomenon is a clear sign that a fairly large portion of the US public has gone off the reservation and it is just a sad thing to see. A similar thing has happened in Hungary over the last decade or so, but I still don't think that Orbán is comparable to Trump in that respect and the sort of craziness that happens on the far-right in the US does not seem to happen here in Europe at all and this becomes especially apparent when you look at actual facts and figures rather than just ideology and rhetoric.

The sort of inequality, racial prejudice, incarceration rate, miscarriage of justice, murder rate, etc... that is commonplace in the US, simply doesn't happen in Europe, even in the poorer parts. To take just one example, almost all of the most dangerous cities, with the highest murder rates are in Latin America and the US. None of them are in Europe. Some US cities have higher murder rates than war zones in the Middle East.

To me, it is a clear sign that the USA is slipping down from the developed world and becoming ever more like your typical Latin-American banana republic. It is not something I enjoy saying, but I have to look at the facts as they are and not how I'd like them to be. I'm sorry if this was too harsh, but I don't believe that anyone will benefit from wishful thinking and looking the other way.

turiya
21st October 2018, 14:35
Fake News, U.N., Open Borders & a Blue Wave?

From Praying Medic...






http://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/GENRL_TWEETS/Praying_Medic/Qanon_PRAYING_MEDIC_Twitter_LOGO.png (https://twitter.com/prayingmedic/status/1053875320351154176)

If if Hillary had been elected, it would already be a done deal.

http://www.europereloaded.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/UNGlobalCompact.jpg (https://twitter.com/RefugeeWatcher/status/1053641386032021504)
Ann Corcoran: UN Migration Compact expected to say migration is a "human right."
There would be no more categories (legal or illegal) of migrant. There would therefore be no borders. So far only POTUS Hungary's Orban are saying NO! (https://twitter.com/RefugeeWatcher/status/1053641386032021504)

10:07 PM - 20 Oct 2018








http://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/GENRL_TWEETS/Praying_Medic/Qanon_PRAYING_MEDIC_Twitter_LOGO.png (https://twitter.com/prayingmedic/status/1053871346780798976)

Trump wasn't the one handing out money and signs to people heading toward the US border.

These people are stupid.


S.E. Cupp @secupp
S.E. Cupp on Trump Using Caravan to Stoke Immigration Fears Among Base: 'At What Cost to Basic Human Decency?' mediaite.com/tv/s-e-cupp-on … via @mediaite (https://twitter.com/secupp/status/1053795239079632896)

9:51 PM - 20 Oct 2018








http://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/GENRL_TWEETS/Praying_Medic/Qanon_PRAYING_MEDIC_Twitter_LOGO.png (https://twitter.com/prayingmedic/status/1053871777049280513)

Let's be really clear.
The free press is the enemy of no one. The fake news media is the enemy of the American people.


S.E. Cupp @secupp
The press is not the enemy of the people. The press is the enemy of the powerful, unaccountable and corrupt. The unjust, unethical, and dishonest. The bully, the blowhard. The cover up, run around and false pretense. Let’s be clear: that’s made the press the enemy of one person. (https://twitter.com/secupp/status/1030113973851570176)

9:53 PM - 20 Oct 2018








http://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/GENRL_TWEETS/Praying_Medic/Qanon_PRAYING_MEDIC_Twitter_LOGO.png (https://twitter.com/prayingmedic/status/1053488154517229569)

Paid in full.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dp6943VXQAARLmY.jpg (https://twitter.com/prayingmedic/status/1053488154517229569)

8:28 PM - 19 Oct 2018








http://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/GENRL_TWEETS/Praying_Medic/Qanon_PRAYING_MEDIC_Twitter_LOGO.png (https://twitter.com/prayingmedic/status/1053445078146965504)

Oh, come on now... did you forget about your blue wave? :)

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1053365983170183169/y_wsCXqw?format=jpg&name=600x314 (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/19/opinion/sunday/midterm-elections-republican-party-trump-senate-house.html)
Opinion | What if the Republicans Win Everything Again?
Total victory for the G.O.P. would mean Trump unleashed.
nytimes

5:37 PM - 19 Oct 2018

Emil El Zapato
21st October 2018, 15:13
:confused:

I must be really thick, because I have no idea what's going on in this thread any more...

Aragorn has mentioned this many times, but I think we are getting to a level of detail in this thread which pretty much requires you to be a pure-bred American to understand what's going on.

I would like to remark here that there seems to be a paranoid streak in American politics and public discourse that isn't healthy and goes back all the way to the Anti-Catholic League, John Birchers and such like.

I will leave you guys to it, but as Aragorn mentioned before there is life outside the United States and you could learn an awful lot by looking outside your borders once in a while and checking out what the view is like from over there. This doesn't apply to everyone of course, plenty of you here are open-minded enough to acknowledge the rest of the world and try to learn about it and from it, but the general trend of American insularism and isolationism is pretty unmistakable. I do not wish to be unkind, but you will probably find that in the foreseeable future, the rest of the world will care about as much about internal political disputes in the US as they do about those in Brazil or Indonesia.

I am sorry to have to break this to you, but the USA isn't nearly as important in world affairs these days as its inhabitants like to think. Frankly, both the UK and the US have become a laughing stock, with Brexit and Trump.

To me the whole Q/Trump phenomenon is a clear sign that a fairly large portion of the US public has gone off the reservation and it is just a sad thing to see. A similar thing has happened in Hungary over the last decade or so, but I still don't think that Orbán is comparable to Trump in that respect and the sort of craziness that happens on the far-right in the US does not seem to happen here in Europe at all and this becomes especially apparent when you look at actual facts and figures rather than just ideology and rhetoric.

The sort of inequality, racial prejudice, incarceration rate, miscarriage of justice, murder rate, etc... that is commonplace in the US, simply doesn't happen in Europe, even in the poorer parts. To take just one example, almost all of the most dangerous cities, with the highest murder rates are in Latin America and the US. None of them are in Europe. Some US cities have higher murder rates than war zones in the Middle East.

To me, it is a clear sign that the USA is slipping down from the developed world and becoming ever more like your typical Latin-American banana republic. It is not something I enjoy saying, but I have to look at the facts as they are and not how I'd like them to be. I'm sorry if this was too harsh, but I don't believe that anyone will benefit from wishful thinking and looking the other way.

Historically, that violence came from Europe...I just wanted to cover that part.

It cracks me up when I hear U.S. politicians talk about how we're going to punish 'them'. I might add that most talking in those terms are inevitably Southern Republicans who have found their savior ironically enough in a Yankee carpetbagger. Under this influence we are not progressing, we are regressing back to the 18th century.

I've said it before and it seems appropriate to say it again. This is a last gasp for the culture that simply cannot adapt to changing times, they are relegating themselves to the ash heap of history. But, in truth, it is not their fault in the sense that they are driven by a different human racial type. Some genetic strains survive indefinitely and others do not. It is cruel, unfortunate, and as inevitable as the sun rising in the morning. History will forgive them that, their inability to rise above base instinctual behaviors.


From Praying Medic...





















Interesting propaganda that is...what is obvious is that a computer scientist created it...If you can figure out how I deduced that, you win today's prize for awareness.

Emil El Zapato
21st October 2018, 15:26
Sometimes I wonder if life is really worth it...as the saying goes, "Life's a bitch, then you die!" Weirdly enough, it's times like this that make my life worth living...living on to continue the battle!

turiya
21st October 2018, 16:14
SGTReport: George Soros




THE ENEMY ARMY MARCHES
(Oct 20, 2018)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSElE-a7LDQ

Description:


This is a wide ranging critical news update from SGT Report. The enemy's army is on the march, and the desperation of this overtly criminal, seditious attack on the sovereignty of the United States has the fingerprints of George Soros all over it. And if Soros' puppet Hillary Clinton was in the White House, this "caravan" would be propagandized and welcomed as a "humanitarian crisis" and you would be called a bigot and a xenophobe if you dared not to embrace it. This is the morally and fundamentally bankrupt hardcore Left at its very best. Their hatred for our nation and the rule of law becomes clearer with each passing day.

Chris
21st October 2018, 16:44
THE ENEMY ARMY MARCHES
(Oct 20, 2018)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSElE-a7LDQ

Description:


This is a wide ranging critical news update from SGT Report. The enemy's army is on the march, and the desperation of this overtly criminal, seditious attack on the sovereignty of the United States has the fingerprints of George Soros all over it. And if Soros' puppet Hillary Clinton was in the White House, this "caravan" would be propagandized and welcomed as a "humanitarian crisis" and you would be called a bigot and a xenophobe if you dared not to embrace it. This is the morally and fundamentally bankrupt hardcore Left at its very best. Their hatred for our nation and the rule of law becomes clearer with each passing day.

Jesus Christ, I wish you would stop with the Sorosing already... He's not to blame for every bad thing that happens in the world, though perhaps he did play a small role in it. Soros is a bit player, if he was removed from the picture (and he's not that young any more), nothing would change. I am more disturbed by the fact that blaming Soros for all the ills of the world has become a proxy for blaming the Jews. Most people probably aren't aware of it, but I doubt that Jews find the anti-Soros propaganda particularly comforting.

They really felt it was directed at them when the Orbán government here in Hungary plastered the whole country with his image blaming him for the migrant crisis and pretty much everything else they could think of. This kind of simplistic thinking is dangerous and could lead to very ugly things in the future, however unintentionally.

Aragorn
21st October 2018, 17:27
If you look at my posting history, or if you think back to what The One Truth used to look like and what a mess it was in when I came on board, versus what it looks like now and the atmosphere of trust we have now, then I think you will find that I'm quite capable of thinking out of the box and of thinking for myself.

I do remember TOT before you came. There was a camaraderie and a lightness and fun...as well as trust. There was a gentleness of response to people who thought differently than the prevailing view...a seeking to understand and really listen to each other without malice or insult...a sharing of opinions without judgment.

I remember tasting that atmosphere when I first joined up here in March 2015, and as I have only recently expounded in the mod room, I personally miss that camaraderie. There was a certain magic to it that I never saw over at Project Avalon.

But on the other hand, was it really camaraderie, when these seemingly friendly and allegedly open-minded people could not bring themselves to welcome the new members in their midst? Or was it instead merely just another inside club, the likes of which there were several over at Project Avalon as well at the time?


At least until the the influx of refuges from PA appeared, [...

I myself was one of those refugees. I knew I was about to get banned from Project Avalon, and in an email exchange with Marcus (DNA), I had informed him about that.

I told Marcus that my biggest regret was that I was going to be cut off from several people with whom I had built up a good rapport during my tenure at Project Avalon. Marcus then advised me to join up here at The One Truth, given that many former and (at least at the time still) current members of Project Avalon were also registered here. And so I took Marcus' advice and I signed up for an account here on the 17th of March 2015, one day before I was banned from Project Avalon by Bill Ryan himself.

I was very pleasantly surprised with the difference in atmosphere here, compared to Project Avalon — not so as to speak ill of Project Avalon, but I have always felt much more at home here at The One Truth than I had ever felt over there.

But when I was then recruited as a moderator on the 18th of April 2015 — by explicit invitation, as I had not offered myself up for the job like all the other staff members at the time — I soon found out that these seemingly friendly and open-minded members quickly began turning their backs on me and started treating me like an enemy. It was an "us versus them" situation, and I was now one of "them".


...] followed by the blue chicken cult...which was sorely mishandled, imo.

The Blue Chicken cult wasn't the worst of our problems, because those people were generally very well-behaved. Corey Goode himself was a bit of a handful, even though it must be said that he at least made an effort to play by the rules of the house. Or that is to say, up until his deal with Wilcock and Gaia TV was sealed, because then he asked for his Q&A thread to be closed, and from then on he began exclusively using the forum for self-promotion. We were facepalming all over the mod room but we let it stand because we knew he was on his way out the door anyway. And then he left, and all of his groupies with him — most of them without ever requesting the retirement of their account.

The Ruiner cult on the other hand was much, much worse. They were stepping all over the Forum Rules (https://jandeane81.com/announcement.php?f=&a=1), they were constantly seeking out Corey in order to confront him — given that their god The Ruiner had declared Corey a liar — and they were deliberately taunting and challenging the staff at almost every opportunity.

Then the Ruiner cult left The One Truth and settled down at Eye-Rise for a while, and then they completely destroyed that forum and left Kathy to rebuild it from the ground up all on her own, because Ria was an administrator there, and when she was on her way out, she abused her admin privileges and deleted half of all the threads out of sheer spite before Kathy could intervene and ban her.


But trust now? No. Not for me.

I can only speak for myself — I will leave it to the other staff members to respond to this if they're so inclined — but it saddens and hurts me to read that you cannot bring yourself to trust us. All members of the current staff here at The One Truth have already long proven themselves trustworthy and transparent, and I've spent the better part of the last three years trying to win back the trust of our members after all the drama we had happening here in 2015.

Perhaps you haven't been back long enough yet since your long absence to notice this, or perhaps you have deliberately chosen not to trust the staff of any forum ever again as a rule. It is either way still painful to read, not to mention that it's not exactly confidence-inspiring toward any candidate-members who would be stumbling upon this thread. :hmm:


:ok:

Melidae
21st October 2018, 17:57
I will leave you guys to it, but as Aragorn mentioned before there is life outside the United States and you could learn an awful lot by looking outside your borders once in a while and checking out what the view is like from over there. This doesn't apply to everyone of course, plenty of you here are open-minded enough to acknowledge the rest of the world and try to learn about it and from it, but the general trend of American insularism and isolationism is pretty unmistakable. I do not wish to be unkind, but you will probably find that in the foreseeable future, the rest of the world will care about as much about internal political disputes in the US as they do about those in Brazil or Indonesia.

I am sorry to have to break this to you, but the USA isn't nearly as important in world affairs these days as its inhabitants like to think. Frankly, both the UK and the US have become a laughing stock, with Brexit and Trump.


To me, it is a clear sign that the USA is slipping down from the developed world and becoming ever more like your typical Latin-American banana republic. It is not something I enjoy saying, but I have to look at the facts as they are and not how I'd like them to be. I'm sorry if this was too harsh, but I don't believe that anyone will benefit from wishful thinking and looking the other way.

Yes, Yes, Yes!

The plan was to turn the US into a third world country in order to accomplish the NWO version of globalism. It has been in place for the last ~65-70 years...the gradual dumbing down of the population, the corporations moving their operations to 'greener' pastures, the demolishing of the middle class, the militarization of police in pursuit of the creation of a police state, increasing poverty and destruction of infrastructure, the attempt to instill fear/anger/hopelessness/chaos...All part of the plan which includes turning the US into the military arm of the globalists. It is our young men and women being maimed and killed in unpopular wars we have no business being involved in.

Why is Trump so hated? Because he has spent the last two years trying to turn things around...making peace instead of war, bring corporations and jobs back, rebuilding what they have torn down. Of course he is hated...he is not under their control...a wild card. And their playbook does not include a method of stopping him except by ridicule, threats of impeachment, use of the media, baseless 'leaks' from anonymous persons, and more...none of which is working. He puts their plan at risk and they are fighting back.

There does exist the minority who 'rah, rah, America!'...the obnoxious leftovers from a programmed propaganda that is no longer needed. It is a shame they are the ones that get the most attention around the world. And there are those that believe the current propaganda. Then you have We the People who are trying to take control of our country back. We the People just want to take our place as equals to other countries and not as the world's "bully". Live and let live.

irl, I am fortunate enough to have people from around the world in my life...Germany, England, Finland, Poland, Russia, Brazil, China, etc....working here for a time until they return to their own country. They have graciously shared their cultures with me, and I have been enriched by their openness and friendship.

I do expect backlash from those who do not agree with this post. That's okay. Have at it.

turiya
21st October 2018, 19:05
irl, I am fortunate enough to have people from around the world in my life...Germany, England, Finland, Poland, Russia, Brazil, China, etc....working here for a time until they return to their own country. They have graciously shared their cultures with me, and I have been enriched by their openness and friendship.

I do expect backlash from those who do not agree with this post. That's okay. Have at it.

Agree with you Melidae. Variety is the spice of life. Having a variety of different & distinctly separate cultures makes this world an ever more enchanting place to experience. It makes traveling to other countries a truly mind opening phenomenon. At least, it has to potential to be.

And that is just one of the problems with globalism, the attempts that are being made to melt everyone into a mixed bland of sameness. Its what is going on in the Europe at the moment, and with what is being tried in the U.S., being promoted by the likes of George Soros & his slew of NGOs.

Chris
21st October 2018, 19:07
Yes, Yes, Yes!

The plan was to turn the US into a third world country in order to accomplish the NWO version of globalism. It has been in place for the last ~65-70 years...the gradual dumbing down of the population, the corporations moving their operations to 'greener' pastures, the demolishing of the middle class, the militarization of police in pursuit of the creation of a police state, increasing poverty and destruction of infrastructure, the attempt to instill fear/anger/hopelessness/chaos...All part of the plan which includes turning the US into the military arm of the globalists. It is our young men and women being maimed and killed in unpopular wars we have no business being involved in.

Why is Trump so hated? Because he has spent the last two years trying to turn things around...making peace instead of war, bring corporations and jobs back, rebuilding what they have torn down. Of course he is hated...he is not under their control...a wild card. And their playbook does not include a method of stopping him except by ridicule, threats of impeachment, use of the media, baseless 'leaks' from anonymous persons, and more...none of which is working. He puts their plan at risk and they are fighting back.

There does exist the minority who 'rah, rah, America!'...the obnoxious leftovers from a programmed propaganda that is no longer needed. It is a shame they are the ones that get the most attention around the world. And there are those that believe the current propaganda. Then you have We the People who are trying to take control of our country back. We the People just want to take our place as equals to other countries and not as the world's "bully". Live and let live.

irl, I am fortunate enough to have people from around the world in my life...Germany, England, Finland, Poland, Russia, Brazil, China, etc....working here for a time until they return to their own country. They have graciously shared their cultures with me, and I have been enriched by their openness and friendship.

I do expect backlash from those who do not agree with this post. That's okay. Have at it.

I think the part where you and a lot of Trump supporters are mistaken (and I say this with the utmost respect, It is human to err, after all), is that you see Trump as a saviour and a remedy to what ails the country, when in actual fact he is a symptom, not the cure.

I doubt that anything I say here is going to change any Trump supporters' mind, I face a similar problem here in my own country, where the vast majority of the population supports a deeply corrupt Prime Minister with proto-fascist and authoritarian tendencies. At least he is not an idiot though and has outsmarted pretty much everyone in the European political arena, which I have to give him credit for.

Orbán is a brave and clever man and was a hero of the anti-Soviet resistance until he turned to the dark side. Trump however is and always was a buffoon and a clown. Nobody on the international political scene takes him seriously, he should be an embarrassment to all Americans, if they only knew how the rest of the world sees him. Unfortunately that country is far too insular to notice and that is a damned shame.

And again, I realise that this might not be deliberately malicious on the part of most people, but you should realise that "take our country back" is really just barely disguised racism and/or xenophobia. As with similar slogans amongst Brexiteers in the UK, deep down it is about the wish to kick foreigners out of the country. What it really means is to take the country back for the white native-born population as they feel the country is slipping away from them. Which it is, no doubt about it. When you used to have total control, sharing this control with others feels like you're losing your grip on power.

Chris
21st October 2018, 19:13
Agree with you Melidae. Variety is the spice of life. Having a variety of different & distinctly separate cultures makes this world an ever more enchanting place to experience. It makes traveling to other countries a truly mind opening phenomenon. At least, it has to potential to be.

And that is just one of the problems with globalism, the attempts that are being made to melt everyone into a mixed bland of sameness. Its what is going on in the Europe at the moment, and with what is being tried in the U.S., being promoted by the likes of George Soros & his slew of NGOs.

You sound just like my Prime Minister, Viktor Orbán. In fact it sounds that you're quoting him verbatim. You two should get married...

:p

Aragorn
21st October 2018, 20:46
I think the part where you and a lot of Trump supporters are mistaken (and I say this with the utmost respect, It is human to err, after all), is that you see Trump as a saviour and a remedy to what ails the country, when in actual fact he is a symptom, not the cure.

I doubt that anything I say here is going to change any Trump supporters' mind, I face a similar problem here in my own country, where the vast majority of the population supports a deeply corrupt Prime Minister with proto-fascist and authoritarian tendencies. At least he is not an idiot though and has outsmarted pretty much everyone in the European political arena, which I have to give him credit for.

Orbán is a brave and clever man and was a hero of the anti-Soviet resistance until he turned to the dark side. Trump however is and always was a buffoon and a clown. Nobody on the international political scene takes him seriously, he should be an embarrassment to all Americans, if they only knew how the rest of the world sees him. Unfortunately that country is far too insular to notice and that is a damned shame.

And again, I realise that this might not be deliberately malicious on the part of most people, but you should realise that "take our country back" is really just barely disguised racism and/or xenophobia. As with similar slogans amongst Brexiteers in the UK, deep down it is about the wish to kick foreigners out of the country. What it really means is to take the country back for the white native-born population as they feel the country is slipping away from them. Which it is, no doubt about it. When you used to have total control, sharing this control with others feels like you're losing your grip on power.

An excellent post, Chris. Indeed, nobody in the rest of the world takes Donald Trump seriously as a person, let alone as the leader of a nation. Even George W. Bush — quite a buffoon in his own right — was taken more seriously.

For that matter, I would also like to add that the situation in Turkey is very similar to the situation in Hungary. Recep Tayyip Erdoğan is also an authoritarian leader, and he has also turned Turkey into a heavily censored police state. It is also well known that Turkey does not respect human rights. Police suspects and political dissidents are still being tortured. Among other things, that's why Turkey is still not allowed into the European Union.

The CIA knows this very well, because Turkey was one of the countries the CIA flew terrorism suspects over to for "enhanced interrogation" under the Bush Jr. administration, given that it would have been illegal to torture people on American soil — and I'm not just talking of waterboarding here.

Chris
21st October 2018, 21:31
An excellent post, Chris. Indeed, nobody in the rest of the world takes Donald Trump seriously as a person, let alone as the leader of a nation. Even George W. Bush — quite a buffoon in his own right — was taken more seriously.

For that matter, I would also like to add that the situation in Turkey is very similar to the situation in Hungary. Recep Tayyip Erdoğan is also an authoritarian leader, and he has also turned Turkey into a heavily censored police state. It is also well known that Turkey does not respect human rights. Police suspects and political dissidents are still being tortured. Among other things, that's why Turkey is still not allowed into the European Union.

The CIA knows this very well, because Turkey was one of the countries the CIA flew terrorism suspects over to for "enhanced interrogation" under the Bush Jr. administration, given that it would have been illegal to torture people on American soil — and I'm not just talking of waterboarding here.

Well, the situation in Hungary is rather more complex than that and it is a very similar case in Poland. In fact Poland tends to follow Hungary's lead in political matters, usually with a few years' delay, so whatever happens in Hungary is usually a good litmus test of what will happen in Poland down the line. I can say this with confidence as someone who is half-Polish, half-Hungarian (and probably at least a quarter Saxon, but let's leave that for now).

Hungary is what is referred to as a flawed democracy. That is, it is democratic, but with Authoritarian tendencies and with serious efforts made by those in power to rig the system. That is in fact no different than what happens in the USA, with gerrymandering, the electoral college, voter suppression and the consolidation of the media in ever fewer hands. However, neither the USA, nor Hungary is a police state. Russia, Turkey and China are, the former two aren't, at least not yet.

In the case of Hungary, no journalists disappear or are even fired because they criticise the ruling party. In Turkey and Russia, journalists and critics of the system are routinely jailed or murdered. However, as in Trump's USA, Orbán does restrict press room access to newspapers and news websites that are critical of him and promotes those that praise him. Really, the parallels between the two countries are actually quite remarkable right now.

Orbán has already built his southern wall and it's working like a charm. I must admit, that I'm not entirely against it as the migrant situation, with millions marching through the country unchecked and unvetted was clearly untenable and couldn't go on. The subsequent attacks in Paris and Brussels, where the Jihadists that carried them out were picked up in Budapest during the height of the migrant crisis, would certainly seem to vindicate the decision to build the wall. Ok, so it's just a fence, but it is heavily patrolled and works as intended, protecting the outer Schengen borders.

turiya
21st October 2018, 22:56
X22Report

The Economy Has Just Turned, & So Are Countries - Episode 1695a
(Oct 21, 2018)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ti4anNs7xN8
Description:


Main body of the report begins @ 2:51.

The US housing market has just turned, it is now a buyers market, we saw right before the great recession of 08-09. Fed Kaplan gives a time line of when the Fed will hit a neutral rate, which really means when we hit the moment the economy collapses. The most powerful family is Sweden is getting ready for the next economic crisis. Countries are now turning away from the central bankers SWIFT system and looking at Russia’s payment system. This is the transition, countries are already preparing.


World Peace?, Deep State Losing Control Of Narrative - Episode 1695b
(Oct 21, 2018)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjYSxc1_Ie4
Description:


Main body of the report begins @ 3:11.

Former FBI says Rosenstein was not kidding when he wanted to record Trump. FBI admits using multiple spies in the Trump administration. Jude orders Mueller to prove that the companies were involved in election meddling. Khashogi a deep state operation to split the world and start a major event. Turkey ready to reveal all the evidence on Tuesday. Saudi’s give Trump room to avoid take action against Saudi Arabia. France and Germany are going to meet Russia to talk about peace in Syria. The deep state narrative is falling apart, world peace is starting to creep in and the deep state will do whatever it takes to stop it.
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Political/RightsFmr Top FBI Official Doubles Down: Rosenstein “Seriously” Discussed Secretly Recording Trump (https://saraacarter.com/fmr-top-fbi-official-rosenstein-was-serious-about-secret-trump-recording/)


lawmakers heard testimony for a second time from former FBI General Counsel James Baker in a closed-door session. The interview focused mainly on allegations that Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein was “serious” about secretly recording President Donald Trump and that he consulted with several other administration officials about invoking the 25th Amendment, said sources with knowledge of the testimony.

Baker’s testimony several weeks ago before the House Judiciary and Oversight and Government Reform committees (both of which are leading a joint investigation into the bureau and Department of Justice) was described by lawmakers as “explosive.”
Thursday’s testimony was considered just as explosive as the former lawyer went into detail about why he believed that Rosenstein was not joking around when he told former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe and former FBI Lawyer Lisa Page that he wanted to secretly record Trump. The pair also informed Baker that Rosenstein had discussed the possibility of invoking the 25th Amendment under the guise that Trump was “unfit” to serve as president, according to his testimony.
“Invoking the 25th can only be accomplished with the signature of the Vice President and there is no way the Vice President would have ever agreed to any such thing,” said a former administration official, who claimed the only reason such an idea would have been discussed would be “to isolate the president and poison the media well.”


“(Baker) told lawmakers that he knew Rosenstein was serious based on McCabe’s ‘words and actions’ after their meeting with (Rosenstein),”
House Judiciary Committee Chairman Rep. Bob Goodlatte (R-VA) and House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-SC) said Thursday that Rosenstein had agreed to talk to lawmakers next Wednesday. The Deputy Attorney General also agreed for the interview to be transcribed.


Source: saracarter.com


KhashoggiSaudis Admit Khashoggi Killed At Consulate “In Fist-Fight”, King Salman Fires 5 Top Officials (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-19/saudis-admits-khashoggi-killed-consulate-king-salman-fires-top-general-adviser?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+zerohedge%2Ffeed+%28zero+hedg e+-+on+a+long+enough+timeline%2C+the+survival+rate+fo r+everyone+drops+to+zero%29)


https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Uploads/Graphics/533-1020143517-2018-10-1915-24-48.jpg


Saudi Arabia confirmed t Jamal Khashoggi was killed at its consulate in Istanbul on 2 October. King Salman Fires 5 Top Officials


The White House has issued a statement:


“ We will continue to closely follow the international investigations into this tragic incident and advocate for justice that is timely, transparent, and in accordance with all due process. We are saddened to hear confirmation of Mr. Khashoggi’s death, and we offer our deepest condolences to his family, fiancée, and friends.”

So this is what SA is saying happened.


“an argument erupted between him [Khashoggi] and others whom he met in the Saudi consulate in Istanbul leading to a fistfight which led to his death.”

Source: zerohedge.com


Praying Medic... George Webb on Khashoggi







http://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/GENRL_TWEETS/Praying_Medic/Qanon_PRAYING_MEDIC_Twitter_LOGO.png (https://twitter.com/prayingmedic/status/1054174194563305472)

A data point to consider regarding Jamal Khashoggi’s death.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7GL7Sa0jSI

5:54 PM - 21 Oct 2018

Aianawa
21st October 2018, 23:06
Being 100% kiwi NZ, feel it is a world n Earth thing and yes USAians are test tubes maybe ?


:confused:

I must be really thick, because I have no idea what's going on in this thread any more...

Aragorn has mentioned this many times, but I think we are getting to a level of detail in this thread which pretty much requires you to be a pure-bred American to understand what's going on.

I would like to remark here that there seems to be a paranoid streak in American politics and public discourse that isn't healthy and goes back all the way to the Anti-Catholic League, John Birchers and such like.

I will leave you guys to it, but as Aragorn mentioned before there is life outside the United States and you could learn an awful lot by looking outside your borders once in a while and checking out what the view is like from over there. This doesn't apply to everyone of course, plenty of you here are open-minded enough to acknowledge the rest of the world and try to learn about it and from it, but the general trend of American insularism and isolationism is pretty unmistakable. I do not wish to be unkind, but you will probably find that in the foreseeable future, the rest of the world will care about as much about internal political disputes in the US as they do about those in Brazil or Indonesia.

I am sorry to have to break this to you, but the USA isn't nearly as important in world affairs these days as its inhabitants like to think. Frankly, both the UK and the US have become a laughing stock, with Brexit and Trump.

To me the whole Q/Trump phenomenon is a clear sign that a fairly large portion of the US public has gone off the reservation and it is just a sad thing to see. A similar thing has happened in Hungary over the last decade or so, but I still don't think that Orbán is comparable to Trump in that respect and the sort of craziness that happens on the far-right in the US does not seem to happen here in Europe at all and this becomes especially apparent when you look at actual facts and figures rather than just ideology and rhetoric.

The sort of inequality, racial prejudice, incarceration rate, miscarriage of justice, murder rate, etc... that is commonplace in the US, simply doesn't happen in Europe, even in the poorer parts. To take just one example, almost all of the most dangerous cities, with the highest murder rates are in Latin America and the US. None of them are in Europe. Some US cities have higher murder rates than war zones in the Middle East.

To me, it is a clear sign that the USA is slipping down from the developed world and becoming ever more like your typical Latin-American banana republic. It is not something I enjoy saying, but I have to look at the facts as they are and not how I'd like them to be. I'm sorry if this was too harsh, but I don't believe that anyone will benefit from wishful thinking and looking the other way.

Emil El Zapato
21st October 2018, 23:46
:) and Mengele is running the lab...

turiya
22nd October 2018, 02:36
Latest Trump Tweet...










http://curezone.com/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/TRUMP_TWEETS/TRUMP_TWITTER_ICON_5.png (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1054142516881248258)

Facebook has just stated that they are setting up a system to “purge” themselves of Fake News. Does that mean CNN will finally be put out of business?

3:48 PM - 21 Oct 2018












http://curezone.com/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/TRUMP_TWEETS/TRUMP_TWITTER_ICON_5.png (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1054351078328885248)

Sadly, it looks like Mexico’s Police and Military are unable to stop the Caravan heading to the Southern Border of the United States. Criminals and unknown Middle Easterners are mixed in. I have alerted Border Patrol and Military that this is a National Emergy. Must change laws!

5:37 AM - 22 Oct 2018








https://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/GENRL_TWEETS/THOMAS_PAINE_TRUE_PUNDIT.png (https://twitter.com/Thomas1774Paine/status/1054345396686860288)

‘This Is Not a Right or Left Issue’: Pirro Echoes Trump’s Threat of Military to Stop Migrant Caravan

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1053132441509081088/WVoWjYGC?format=jpg&name=600x314 (https://truepundit.com/this-is-not-a-right-or-left-issue-pirro-echoes-trumps-threat-of-military-to-stop-migrant-caravan/)
‘This Is Not a Right or Left Issue’: Pirro Echoes Trump’s Threat of Military to Stop Migrant Caravan
In her Opening Statement, Judge Jeanine Pirro echoed President Trump’s idea of deploying the U.S. military to close the southern border.

“When you cross the border into these U.S. illegally, expect to be arrested. You do not have the right to come here. We did not invite you here. You cannot stay here."
truepundit.com

3:45 PM - 17 Oct 2018 (https://twitter.com/Thomas1774Paine/status/1054345396686860288)

turiya
22nd October 2018, 03:22
Immigrant Caravan

Gingrich: Caravan is an attack on US sovereignty
(Oct 19, 2018)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mekxrYxEvEA
Description:


Caravan puts Democrats in a difficult box.

https://thehill.com/sites/default/files/styles/thumb_small_article/public/caravan_honduran1020.jpg?itok=V8giUYGv

https://newsymain-npgroup.netdna-ssl.com/images/videos/m/1540132871.jpg

https://media.kesq.com/npg-global-us-east-1/photo/2018/10/19/Honduran%20migrants%20in%20caravan%20traveling%20t hrough%20Guatemala.jpg_13890168_ver1.0_640_360.jpg

https://media.breitbart.com/media/2018/10/111-1052553398-640x480.png

https://www.theday.com/storyimage/NL/20181017/NWS13/181019400/EP/1/1/EP-181019400.jpg&Maxw=960&q=75

https://media.arkansasonline.com/img/photos/2018/10/21/190102990_AP18294543369192.jpg

https://www.dw.com/image/45964988_303.jpg

https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2018/10/migrant-caravan-collage.jpg?w=640

Aragorn
22nd October 2018, 03:47
Latest Trump Tweet...


<sigh>



Latest Aragorn tweet...












https://jandeane81.com/customavatars/avatar1483_4.gif
Aragorn
@TwitterIsForNarcissists



Why do I still even bother looking at this thread?

Beam me up, Scotty. :abduct:



https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a6/fe/89/a6fe89cb4ea2e9bd432e0a0a29b790f8.jpg



http://www.homegrownliberty.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/triple-facepalm.jpeg



https://imgc.allpostersimages.com/img/print/poster/so-long-and-thanks-for-all-the-fish_a-G-8945699-0.jpg



:getcoat:


05:47 - 22 Oct 2018








https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z16iO_yuOTg

turiya
22nd October 2018, 03:53
Praying Medic on Qanon Q & A


Where is Q: Live Question and Answer
(Oct 20, 2018)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=QqZ6MIvZyTY
Description:


A live discussion about Q's absence.


__________________________








http://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/GENRL_TWEETS/Praying_Medic/Qanon_PRAYING_MEDIC_Twitter_LOGO.png (https://twitter.com/prayingmedic/status/1054127691023052800)

What we can expect from Wednesday's classified interview with Rod Rosenstein.

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1054114517355876353/qjYI5-rZ?format=jpg&name=600x314 (https://www.theepochtimes.com/rosensteins-classified-interview_2695799.html)
Rosenstein's Classified Interview
House Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte and House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Trey Gowdy announced that Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein was meeting with them on Oct. 24 for a transcribed interview...
theepictimes.com

2:50 PM - 21 Oct 2018








http://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/GENRL_TWEETS/Praying_Medic/Qanon_PRAYING_MEDIC_Twitter_LOGO.png (https://twitter.com/prayingmedic/status/1054056558198370304)

Rosenstein requested a meeting in a SCIF with only 2 Ds and 2 Rs.
Why?
To prevent leaks?
Leaks of what?
One possibility: OIG FISA abuse report is due out soon


Chaos Actual @actual_chaos
I think Rosenstein is going to give them a briefing on the two big reports that are about to come out. Possibly even show them the drafts of both Reports. That would be normal procedure if they are being released in a few weeks.

10:07 AM - 21 Oct 2018








http://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/GENRL_TWEETS/Praying_Medic/Qanon_PRAYING_MEDIC_Twitter_LOGO.png (https://twitter.com/prayingmedic/status/1054157657836142592)

A new article from @drawandstrike on Rosenstein's behind the scenes work at DOJ.
https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1054096056554795009/LSqzD7E_?format=jpg&name=600x314 (https://www.theepochtimes.com/is-rosensteins-end-game-approaching_2695463.html)
Is Rosenstein's End Game Approaching?
Counter to popular opinion, Rod Rosenstein has quietly been working alongside Attorney General Jeff Sessions to go after leakers and subdue the influence of And...
theepochtimes.com

4:49 PM - 21 Oct 2018








http://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/GENRL_TWEETS/Praying_Medic/Qanon_PRAYING_MEDIC_Twitter_LOGO.png (https://twitter.com/prayingmedic/status/1054217053777743872)

US under a state of National Emergency?
Why is this relevant?
What power does POTUS have over the military?
Patriots in control.


Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
Full efforts are being made to stop the onslaught of illegal aliens from crossing our Souther Border. People have to apply for asylum in Mexico first, and if they fail to do that, the U.S. will turn them away. The courts are asking the U.S. to do things that are not doable!

4:49 PM - 21 Oct 2018








http://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/GENRL_TWEETS/Praying_Medic/Qanon_PRAYING_MEDIC_Twitter_LOGO.png (https://twitter.com/prayingmedic/status/1054223115339804672)

POTUS: "You know what this is like? It's like the calm before the storm."
"What storm mister President?"
POTUS: "You'll find out."


HuffPost @HuffPost
Trump claims to have "figured out" what to do about the migrant caravan but can't tell us 'til after the election

9:09 PM - 21 Oct 2018

Chris
22nd October 2018, 10:21
Ok, so I wanted to post this political cartoon about Trump and his pals, but I couldn't figure out how to insert the image directly into the post. You can check it out on the link below. It is quite pertinent to what we are discussing here on this thread...

https://www.cagle.com/steve-sack/2018/10/tyrant-tree

If you can right click on the image then copy the link. Use the picture icon to embed the image and then use the link.

https://image.cagle.com/217034/750/217034.png

turiya
22nd October 2018, 14:09
The MATRIX - Its in Your Face!
As a continuation w/ the theme from the lower end of Post #45 (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/12627-Trump-vs-The-Deep-State?p=842002258&viewfull=1#post842002258)...

As it has been already discussed. The Mockingbird propaganda Main-Stream-Media (MSM) brainwashing goes quite deep. Unless one sees the bigger picture as to what is taking place - some of which goes back for quite some time - the innocent naivety of those that are 'unaware' will be used & exploited into working (unknowingly & unwittingly) as agents of this corrupted control system. Yes, this control system can be called, as in the movie by the same name - "The Matrix."

A good example of this is how clever & deceptive the Deep State players (and their minions) have been - a.k.a the Miltary-Industrial-Complex, the Globalists, the Rothschild central bankers, the 'cabal'. They've really done an absolute supreme job in how they've laid out their deception through the wording that is shown by David Rockefellers own recorded statement as it is captured in the follow image...


http://www.heartcom.org/RockysSupremistGratitude.png


https://i.imgur.com/P6QdZuV.gif
A Multiplicity of Agent Smiths

Again I repeat, the Masters of Deception have set their scheme up so that 'We the People' will, unknowingly & unwittingly, act as 'agents' - as in a multiplicity of Agent Smiths - working for the control Masters - as in 'Divide & Conquer'. They've effectively worked their magic in such a way that've got people turning on each other, going at each others' throats, while they remain behind the curtain - behind the closed door of their 'think tanks.'

In other words, Fred, if one is not more than 50% aware of what is taking place, undoubtedly, that individual will unwittingly be working as an agent for this corrupted system. Working to keep us - 'We the People' - divided & fighting with each other.

One can do oneself a favor, not only for oneself but for the rest of the People on this planet by doing one's own research into what is underlying many of the troubled issues that are presently current in events taking place today.

There is much wisdom that lay within the words spoken by the Western Greek sage & philosopher known as Socrates...


"An unexamined life is a life that is not worth living"

These once spoken words point, like an arrow, to the way that humanitay can free themselves from the manipulation that has been programmed into every citizen of this planet from the time of birth.

Otherwise, without ever considering to take such a step - to travel down one's very own 'rabbit hole' (if you will), then one may very well ( unknowingly & unwittingly) be exploited, used & 'played' to be an agent working for the control system.


https://i.imgur.com/dNAH1KZ.gif

Understand the workings of the Tax Exempt Foundations...


Norman Dodd Revealing The Tax Exempt Foundation Agenda
in 1980 - Radio Liberty Interview
(May 26, 2013)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK4fVyUtHSQ

The Carnegie Foundation (1932 - after World War I) as stated by Norman Dodd @ ~ 38:07: youtu.be/EK4fVyUtHSQ?t=2287 (https://youtu.be/EK4fVyUtHSQ?t=2287)


"The Future of this country (United States) belongs to Collectivism."

palooka's revenge
22nd October 2018, 16:21
I have no idea what any of that means, but it sounds like fun. :p

f---ed up local politics aragorn. lots of issues some of which are noted in this (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/670-ballots-in-a-precinct-with-276-voters-and-other-tales-from-georgias-primary/ar-BBLBUA4?ocid=spartanntp&fbclid=IwAR3abrxJnLm0UlyacqZTPSn5xzKzaqLhBwte23_Kq EwolDx77KyqV2eplPg) article. repub candidate for gov is outgoing sec. of st. who's job it is to oversee election process, voter roles etc, etc. not talked about in that article is the current brew-ha-ha over purging nearly 100,000 - mostly dems - from the roles based on a state law that requires info on registration to exactly match ID info. most of those screw ups are not the fault of the voter. they're the fault of the system....

turiya
22nd October 2018, 23:00
The MATRIX... Understanding... How it Was Put in Place...



https://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/GENRL_TWEETS/Praying_Medic/CANDACE_OWENS_HOW_EASILY_HACKED_IS_THE_HUMAN_BRAIN .png

_____________________________

CONSPIRATORS' HIERARCHY:
THE STORY OF THE COMMITTEE OF 300
by Dr. John Coleman
https://www.cia.gov/library/abbottabad-compound/4A/4A92FD2FB4DAE3F773DB0B7742CF0F65_Coleman.-.CONSPIRATORS.HIERARCHY.-.THE.STORY.OF.THE.COMMITTEE.OF.300.R.pdf
LINK (https://www.cia.gov/library/abbottabad-compound/4A/4A92FD2FB4DAE3F773DB0B7742CF0F65_Coleman.-.CONSPIRATORS.HIERARCHY.-.THE.STORY.OF.THE.COMMITTEE.OF.300.R.pdf)

_____________________________


A MUST WATCH!
Wake up America! - Dr. John Coleman
(Illuminati, Committee of 300)
(Nov 2, 2012)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRqx1YgIBMw

modwiz
22nd October 2018, 23:34
_____________________________


Goldfish Report 228: The Ultimate Conspiracy:
The Committee of 300 w/ Winston Shrout
(May 26, 2018)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=47&v=qTOOrz_NOX8
_____________________________


CONSPIRATORS' HIERARCHY:
THE STORY OF THE COMMITTEE OF 300
by Dr. John Coleman
https://www.cia.gov/library/abbottabad-compound/4A/4A92FD2FB4DAE3F773DB0B7742CF0F65_Coleman.-.CONSPIRATORS.HIERARCHY.-.THE.STORY.OF.THE.COMMITTEE.OF.300.R.pdf
LINK (https://www.cia.gov/library/abbottabad-compound/4A/4A92FD2FB4DAE3F773DB0B7742CF0F65_Coleman.-.CONSPIRATORS.HIERARCHY.-.THE.STORY.OF.THE.COMMITTEE.OF.300.R.pdf)

_____________________________


A MUST WATCH!
Wake up America! - Dr. John Coleman
(Illuminati, Committee of 300)
(Nov 2, 2012)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRqx1YgIBMw

I cannot thank a post that includes the Goldfish Report. I used to be a part of this and did the introductions for the earliest shows. I left the show out of integrity for my own reputation. Louisa is a nut job and unpleasant person to work with. Shrout is another bullshit artist promoting himself in the guise of sovereignty. Big fail here, Turiya.

I know Louisa personally and have stayed at her house two different times. She was a good host but, still a personality with serious issues. I am not just speaking from a cyber perspective. I am comfortable with her using her platform for whatever purpose she has but, promoting her nonsense is not something I can support with a thanks. Her program with Fulford and the Red Dragon Ambassador was marred by her meaningless commentary. At the end, it was clear Fulford was tired of her blithering.

turiya
23rd October 2018, 00:00
I cannot thank a post that includes the Goldfish Report. I used to be a part of this and did the introductions for the earliest shows. I left the show out of integrity for my own reputation. Louisa is a nut job and unpleasant person to work with. Shrout is another bullshit artist promoting himself in the guise of sovereignty. Big fail here, Turiya.

I know Louisa personally and have stayed at her house two different times. She was a good host but, still a personality with serious issues. I am not just speaking from a cyber perspective. I am comfortable with her using her platform for whatever purpose she has but, promoting her nonsense is not something I can support with a thanks. Her program with Fulford and the Red Dragon Ambassador was marred by her meaningless commentary. At the end, it was clear Fulford was tired of her blithering.

Hey modwiz. Thanks for your comment.
Yes, I understand that you used to be a part of the Goldfish Report thing. And I agree with you that I find her a bit over-bearing with her attempts to promote her own notion that she knows more than she really does, and at times, more than her guest knows. I find it quite annoying how she continually interrupts the flow of information that is coming forth from her guests. I know I would have a difficult time working with her type of personality.

Having said that, I would hope that most who come to this particular post would focus on what information the guest is presenting, rather than her continual nonsense that she interjects. And just so you know, I did hesitate with including this particular interview she had with Winston Shrout while creating this post. However, I do respect Winston & the information that he presents over my hesitation due to her presence. These days, there is no other show host that Winston Shrout has interviews with.

So, I hope you & possibly others can overlook Louisa's presence & go with the information that her guest provides, especially on this particular subject matter of the Committee of 300.

Late Edit: As an after-thought, I re-considered, and felt that it would be better to delete that part of the post, as the main focus is on what Dr. John Coleman has to bring forth.

Late Late add: There is something quite unique regarding Winston Shrout. He intimately knows Admiralty Law. As you probably know, he was charged (several charges) of 'income tax evasion' & 'failure to file' in April of 2016.

I know from my own studies of the income tax laws, Winston was an adamant & well known income tax resister back in the early 1990s. And, from what I know, is that Winston is the only "tax protester" from those days that has never spent any time in prison. Well.... let me slightly augment that statement... Winston did spend time in prison, but it was as a visitor to visit other prisoners that had been convicted. He did that so to learn from these people.

And so in conclusion, Winston Shrout, even though he was charged (court proceedings kept being delayed & rescheduled), there is no record that can be found showing that he was ever convicted. And so, he is STILL NOT IN PRISON to this day. There is nowhere on the internet that one can find anything that will explain why he was not convicted or why is now NOT IN PRISON!

Winston has only said that it was his own doing in having charges brought forth. Paraphrasing... He has said that he almost had to beg for the charges to be brought forth against him. He did this so that he could enter / file documents into the court system for his own reasons of going after the IRS. He has claimed that he did this so he could help bring down the IRS system. What really went on still remains a mystery, as to why he still is not in prison. Maybe some day this will come out.

So, from my side. The man knows the law. He knows how to deal with prosecutors & judges in a courtroom situation. He knows how to go after civil servants for violating their Oaths of Office. They are not protected when they stray outside their Oaths to the U.S. Constitution. I believe he knows how to place liens on these types of civil servant offenders when they break the law. It has to do with arresting their bonds - as, one needs an insurance bond in order to hold their government position - when they stray outside their positions of government, then they are personally liable for the actions they take. A bond is put in place to protect government personnel, it will not protect the individual if they stray outside their sworn Oath to the Constitution.

And, I will stop there.

Thanks for your input, modwiz...
Cheers - t

palooka's revenge
23rd October 2018, 03:05
Again I repeat, the Masters of Deception have set their scheme up so that 'We the People' will, unknowingly & unwittingly, act as 'agents' - as in a multiplicity of Agent Smiths - working for the control Masters - as in 'Divide & Conquer'. They've effectively worked their magic in such a way that've got people turning on each other, going at each others' throats, while they remain behind the curtain - behind the closed door of their 'think tanks.'

In other words, Fred, if one is not more than 50% aware of what is taking place, undoubtedly, that individual will unwittingly be working as an agent for this corrupted system. Working to keep us - 'We the People' - divided & fighting with each other.

One can do oneself a favor, not only for oneself but for the rest of the People on this planet by doing one's own research into what is underlying many of the troubled issues that are presently current in events taking place today.


Turiya... obviously I'm not Fred but I would like to weigh in here. Thanks in advance!

Consider this little fantasy for a moment: We could push a magic red button and all that conditioning that's been shoved into the masses along with all the purveyors of that conditioning would go poof. Then the Trumpster, who is being peddled by Q and it's spin masters as the guy who knows how to play the same game only better and as such is going to beat the crap out of the deep state at their own game for the betterment of all, wouldn't have to do that any more!


BUT WE'D STILL HAVE A BIG ASS PROBLEM!!


Why? Because we're dealing with human beings here!

Iow, yes, agreed, the masses have been had and the divide and conquer tactic is pervasive to the extreme yielding phenominal success. But from where I'm lookin' the problem goes far deeper than that, as noted in this piece (https://theunseenroleofdenial.blogspot.com/2006/11/rubber-meets-road-part-2-red-button.html)...


I submit the reason the power over agenda has been so successful is simply because
'We the People'

are an easy mark.

There is no savior outside of ourselves.

And anybody peddlin' the idea that Trump is gonna save us cuz he's a good guy and smarter than the bad guys is blowin' smoke! And that's being nice because I think there's an agenda far more sinister than that. But I'll save the why-I-think-so for another comment. Maybe.....

palooka's revenge
23rd October 2018, 05:14
Originally posted by Aragorn
I have no idea what any of that means, but it sounds like fun.




f---ed up local politics aragorn. lots of issues some of which are noted in this (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/670-ballots-in-a-precinct-with-276-voters-and-other-tales-from-georgias-primary/ar-BBLBUA4?ocid=spartanntp&fbclid=IwAR3abrxJnLm0UlyacqZTPSn5xzKzaqLhBwte23_Kq EwolDx77KyqV2eplPg) article. repub candidate for gov is outgoing sec. of st. who's job it is to oversee election process, voter roles etc, etc. not talked about in that article is the current brew-ha-ha over purging nearly 100,000 - mostly dems - from the roles based on a state law that requires info on registration to exactly match ID info. most of those screw ups are not the fault of the voter. they're the fault of the system....


Republicans may be about to steal an election in Georgia (https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/10/11/republicans-may-be-about-to-steal-an-election-in-georgia/?fbclid=IwAR1d5eiApblgncGM0yTZDqp04CZRlARVpP1V2byJ vs34euh_T2L-0rX53R4&noredirect=on&utm_term=.44f4000b71ef)


"It isn’t often you get to watch an election being stolen in real time, but that might be what is happening right now in Georgia.

When it comes to the nationwide, comprehensive, carefully planned Republican effort to suppress the votes of people who are likely to vote Democratic, particularly racial minorities, there is a menu of techniques Republicans employ — voter ID laws, voter purges, limiting early voting, closing polling places in heavily minority neighborhoods, and racial and partisan gerrymandering.

But what Brian Kemp is doing right now is truly unique.

Kemp, the Republican nominee for governor, is locked in an extremely tight race with Democrat Stacey Abrams. He also happens to be the secretary of state, the official in charge of all elections in Georgia. You might expect him to step down or recuse himself from overseeing his own election in the interest of fairness and public confidence that the fix is not in, but that’s not how Republicans do things. Kemp isn’t just overseeing the process, he’s apparently also doing everything he can to keep as many Democrats as possible from the polls in November."

Dreamtimer
23rd October 2018, 06:16
The systematic disenfranchisement of Americans using voter 'fraud' as an excuse is among the most low acts being committed by Republicans these days. It's shameful. They've gamed the system and yet that isn't enough. They use the Democrats as an excuse. It's weak, unpatriotic, and vile.

turiya
23rd October 2018, 12:51
Turiya... obviously I'm not Fred but I would like to weigh in here. Thanks in advance!

Consider this little fantasy for a moment: We could push a magic red button and all that conditioning that's been shoved into the masses along with all the purveyors of that conditioning would go poof. Then the Trumpster, who is being peddled by Q and it's spin masters as the guy who knows how to play the same game only better and as such is going to beat the crap out of the deep state at their own game for the betterment of all, wouldn't have to do that any more!


BUT WE'D STILL HAVE A BIG ASS PROBLEM!!


Why? Because we're dealing with human beings here!

Iow, yes, agreed, the masses have been had and the divide and conquer tactic is pervasive to the extreme yielding phenominal success. But from where I'm lookin' the problem goes far deeper than that, as noted in this piece (https://theunseenroleofdenial.blogspot.com/2006/11/rubber-meets-road-part-2-red-button.html)...


I submit the reason the power over agenda has been so successful is simply because
WE THE PEOPLE
are an easy mark.

There is no savior outside of ourselves.

And anybody peddlin' the idea that Trump is gonna save us cuz he's a good guy and smarter than the bad guys is blowin' smoke! And that's being nice because I think there's an agenda far more sinister than that. But I'll save the why-I-think-so for another comment. Maybe.....

palooka's revenge

Certainly, as you've stated "there is no savior outside of ourselves." I don't think you will find any statement that states "Trump is gonna save us because he's a good guy and smarter than the bad guys" that has been made, here. That notion must have been picked from somewhere else, imo.

The biggest challenge that rests upon the shoulders of 'We the People' is to keep our own psyches clear & kept from accumulating propaganda that is sold as factual truth by the Mockingbird MSM - it is, after all, the propaganda arm of the Deep State.

The Q 'bread crumbs' point to various rabbit holes, leaving the searching & researching to those that have the determination to travel down these said holes in order to find the facts out for themselves. Nothing is placed on a silver spoon & fed to those that are paying attention. Its all up to those that have an interest in traveling down those various rabbit holes & to do the research for themselves. Those that have no willingness to do the work will continue to allow themselves to be subject to being fed 'borrowed' & often 'slanted' information - information that is taken from others, as in being 'borrowed' information.

So, in a way, people have a choice... to either choose to believe what the Mockingbird Main Stream Media is feeding them, or for each to find the facts out for themselves.

"We the People" are an 'easy mark' because the collective human population as a whole tends to want to take shortcuts through this life. Its a self-chosen life style (if you will). Believing in what others say & accepting it as being factually true is analogous to taking a shortcut. Except, for the underlying question: can you really trust what others are saying?

Doing the research for oneself, to find the answers for oneself, is certainly a more arduous path to take. Its more convenient to have the information delivered to the brain from elsewhere - spoon fed. Convenience is the lazy man's way, and opens him up to being deceived. And the controllers know this. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see this. The ease at which man's mind is manipulated is our weak link. It is humanity's weakest link. Belief - believing in what others say, and accepting it as being the truth. Belief is taking a shortcut. Its cheap. It doesn't require doing any work. That's why MKultra mind control techniques work so well. And the controllers know this.

One also has the ability to discern for themselves what rings as being factually true, or not. Sharpening one's own intuitive senses will reinforce that ability to correctly discern. That is the bottom line, if one does choose to go the road of listening & placing their trust in what others are saying. One can discern better in determining just who is a reliable source, or not.

As has been suggested previously, self-examination of one's own life, makes it a life that is well worth living. By simple observation, one is able to find answers to most, if not all, questions that arise. Simply observe, and what is true will reveal itself. Filling one's head with what others are saying is creating clouds within the mind, clouds of thought. The more one stuffs outside information in one's head, the thicker the clouds get. And, along with that, the bigger the ego. This accumulated smoke will obscure one's vision - blur one's ability to see clearly. It will prevent the truth from reaching to one's inner core, the light of pure perception will be kept from shining through this self-created atmospheric haze of the mind.

Those who think that Trump is a clown & a baffoon are simply not paying attention to what is taking place. They are believing what the Main Stream Media is portraying him as. When the clouds of thought are thick, then one will see whatever has been painted on the screen of one's mind. But one has a choice. Accept what is being told, or simply observe for one's own self what is taking place.

Its up to each individual to come out of the haze for themselves. To see for themselves. Self-examination, it is the method to take oneself out of the madness. Otherwise, if one doesn't want to do their own homework, to be more responsible for oneself, so that one's vision is sharpened, then they should simply stop complaining about something that they have allowed to happen to themselves. Because the truth is right out in front for all to see.

The one wearing the blinders is the only one that can remove those blinders by their own efforts, and by their own hands. If more of 'We the People' took on more responsibility to self examine ourselves, then the controllers would have a much more difficult time with their ability to control & manipulation. One can help the situation out by taking on the challenge, by taking on the challenge of being more responsible.

Responsibility to oneself is the first step that needs to be taken. It will add to a greater responsibility of the collective that we are all a part of. This is the way to build a more responsible society, to build a more responsible world. It first has to start with the individual. And that choice is for each one of us to take. This is where lay the roots of being a true sovereign. Individual responsibility is the first step. From there it rises in support of a responsibility of family. And with enough families being more responsible, it rises to the community level, then to county, then to the State level. If you can see the logic in this, then its easy to see that the more individuals of a country that are individually responsible, then a whole country of people becomes more responsible. That's why a democratic Constitutional republic has a greater strength than Communist Collectivism dictatorship.

The strength of the individual, of many individuals, working in concert, cannot & will not be ruled over by a few psychopathic corrupt criminal politicians. Having the eyes to see this, is enough. First comes the seeing, then acting in accordance to that seeing will follow spontaneously, without much effort.

So you see, palooka's revenge, we are saying the same thing...


"There is no savior outside of ourselves."

An interesting video that you may be interested in watching...


Derren Brown: The Assassin | Derren Brown's
The Experiment FULL EPISODE
(Nov 1, 2017)
http://derrenbrown.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Derren2.jpg
VIDEO

youtu.be/owootTAuxic (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owootTAuxic)

turiya
23rd October 2018, 16:48
x22Report

Report begins @ ~ 2:50...


This Time It's Different, But Not The Way Everyone Thinks - Episode 1696a
(Oct 22, 2018)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QIbsMNx5-M

Description:


The central bankers are playing their hand, they knew along time ago that credit was going to be a problem, they knew people would be maxed out an they would need a better credit score to borrow more, so here we are today, they just changed the calculation on how credit is calculated.SEC says pensions systems are in trouble. US banks and European banks are in real trouble. US getting ready to remove Iran from the SWIFT system, but Russia’s payment system will be used in its place. The system is imploding fast and this time it is different because the central banks are not going control the narrative.


Report begins @ 3:11...


It Begins, Remember Think Mirror - Episode 1696b
(Oct 22, 2018)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7PmfdP7lQU
Description:


The illegal migrant caravan is making its way up to the US, this is a Soros deep state plan. Rosenstein is going to be questioned, why only two D’s and two R’s. Just because you don’t see it happening doesn’t mean it isn’t happening. The deep state is projecting what they are going to do when they lose power, but they are saying Trump is going to do these things. Remember think mirror. MSM continues to add more and more propaganda to the Khashogi story, some if it sound ridiculous. NK and SK are disarming the DMZ area. Trump breaking the treaty with Russia, the question is why?


https://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/inline-images/2018.10.21migrants.png

Latest Trump Tweets...









http://curezone.com/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/TRUMP_TWEETS/TRUMP_TWITTER_ICON_5.png (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1054351078328885248)

Sadly, it looks like Mexico’s Police and Military are unable to stop the Caravan heading to the Southern Border of the United States. Criminals and unknown Middle Easterners are mixed in. I have alerted Border Patrol and Military that this is a National Emergy. Must change laws!

5:37 AM - 22 Oct 2018











http://curezone.com/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/TRUMP_TWEETS/TRUMP_TWITTER_ICON_5.png (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1054354059535269888)

Every time you see a Caravan, or people illegally coming, or attempting to come, into our Country illegally, think of and blame the Democrats for not giving us the votes to change our pathetic Immigration Laws! Remember the Midterms! So unfair to those who come in legally.

5:49 AM - 22 Oct 2018











http://curezone.com/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/TRUMP_TWEETS/TRUMP_TWITTER_ICON_5.png (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1054356145798856704)

Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador were not able to do the job of stopping people from leaving their country and coming illegally to the U.S. We will now begin cutting off, or substantially reducing, the massive foreign aid routinely given to them.

5:57 AM - 22 Oct 2018











https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1030265286178398208/dqGAGoJC_normal.jpg (https://twitter.com/Kevin_Shipp/status/1054441293013831681)
Kevin Shipp
@kevin_shipp

DNC/globalist (Soros) operation: Pay a large group "immigrants" to invade the US border. When the military protects the border, provoke it to any action, film it and put on CNN. Film the children and doctor the pictures.

11:36 AM - 22 Oct 2018








https://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/GENRL_TWEETS/THOMAS_PAINE_TRUE_PUNDIT.png (https://twitter.com/Thomas1774Paine/status/1054768202117509120)

Mexican news says caravans grow to 14,000 people

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1054701889777004549/qNIBrx_5?format=jpg&name=600x314 (https://truepundit.com/mexican-news-says-caravans-grow-to-14000-people/)
Mexican news says caravans grow to 14,000 people
In her Opening Statement, Judge Jeanine Pirro echoed President Trump’s idea of deploying the U.S. military to close the southern border.

“When you cross the border into these U.S. illegally, expect to be arrested. You do not have the right to come here. We did not invite you here. You cannot stay here."
truepundit.com

9:15 AM - 23 Oct 2018 (https://twitter.com/Thomas1774Paine/status/1054345396686860288)








https://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/GENRL_TWEETS/THOMAS_PAINE_TRUE_PUNDIT.png (https://twitter.com/Thomas1774Paine/status/1054768202117509120)

BANGLADESHIS JOINED MIGRANT CARAVAN IN GUATEMALA, UNIVISION CORRESPONDENT REPORTS

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1054698921216430080/baC_Ngqp?format=jpg&name=600x314 (https://truepundit.com/bangladeshis-joined-migrant-caravan-in-guatemala-univision-correspondent-reports/)
BANGLADESHIS JOINED MIGRANT CARAVAN IN GUATEMALA, UNIVISION CORRESPONDENT REPORTS
A Spanish language reporter who has spent weeks embedded with the migrant caravan said in a Friday report that people from Bangladesh had joined the mass of people trying to cross from Guatemala into Mexico.
(…)
“Yesterday when we were traveling through Guatemala, we noticed people from El Salvador and even people from Bangladesh,” he continued. “Can you imagine what they had to do to get here? They infiltrated themselves in this caravan and tried to cross with the crowd. That would have benefited them greatly.”
truepundit.com

9:30 AM - 23 Oct 2018 (https://twitter.com/Thomas1774Paine/status/1054768202117509120)

Wind
23rd October 2018, 22:35
We all know where nationalism leads to. Isolationism, competition and destruction.

Who wants that? Not saying that there's anything wrong with being a patriot.


http://youtu.be/3lLQ8IEm8PE

modwiz
23rd October 2018, 22:49
We all know where nationalism leads to. Isolationism, competition and destruction.

Who wants that? Not saying that there's anything wrong with being a patriot.


http://youtu.be/3lLQ8IEm8PE

In the connected world nationalism is like organs of the body performing in a way that acknowledges the uniqueness of each organ contributing to a greater functioning whole. Morons are the bane of any group. They simply do not have the ability to think abstractly. They make up a large part of any group, need to be heard but.........We can all treat each other well with compassion. Compassion starts at home, with the individual or nation. With the internet there is no need for misunderstanding each other. That is, aside from moronic blitherings.

I do not embrace patriotism. First, is is an 'ism'. Second, it is rooted in a patriarchal archetype. It is the root of the word itself. Flag waving/worship scares me. It is the expression of a simple mind easily moved by bad guidance of 'leaders'.

Emil El Zapato
23rd October 2018, 22:57
The systematic disenfranchisement of Americans using voter 'fraud' as an excuse is among the most low acts being committed by Republicans these days. It's shameful. They've gamed the system and yet that isn't enough. They use the Democrats as an excuse. It's weak, unpatriotic, and vile.

The really bizarre thing is that no amount of reality will disabuse many Republicans of the notion of voter fraud. I mean it's complete fantasy and has been obviously so for decades. I mean that kind of psychic blindness scares the hell out of me more than the guns in the hands of those lunatics.

What has also been obvious for quite some time is that in reading Friedrich Hayek, 'The Father of Modern Conservatism', it is emergent that he has no children.

turiya
24th October 2018, 00:09
In the connected world nationalism is like organs of the body performing in a way that acknowledges the uniqueness of each organ contributing to a greater functioning whole. Morons are the bane of any group. They simply do not have the ability to think abstractly. They make up a large part of any group, need to be heard but.........We can all treat each other well with compassion. Compassion starts at home, with the individual or nation. With the internet there is no need for misunderstanding each other. That is, aside from moronic blitherings.

I do not embrace patriotism. First, is is an 'ism'. Second, it is rooted in a patriarchal archetype. It is the root of the word itself. Flag waving/worship scares me. It is the expression of a simple mind easily moved by bad guidance by 'leaders'.

I would go with the definition as underlined below.


'a factious disturber of the government'

That's what Trump is. He's is often referred to as the "disruptor." It certainly showed up early in his run up for the GOP nomination. That's what caught my attention initially. When I first heard that he was going to run for president, I thought it would be the worst thing for the country. But then, I began to notice how disturbed & upset most of the other career politicians were getting with whatever he was saying. He was disturbing the other career GOP politicians that were also running. I was tickled about the way they were thrown in a tizzy with this man. This is what piqued my interest enough to find out what it was that he was saying that was getting all these idiots very upset.

So, I had to check him out. What was he saying?

After reviewing several of his speeches, I realized that he wasn't just another idiot. I decided that I would register to vote for this guy. Before that, the first & last time I voted was in 1972. I felt, "At last, there is somebody that has come along that is saying the right stuff. He was anything but being just another politically correct idiot.

I guess because I'm a bit of a disruptor myself. When he finally was elected, I said to a couple of my clients, "Ah, finally America has a conspiracy theorist in the White House. What a time we're going to have."

Yes, a disruptor. Hillary Clinton took it up a notch when she called Trump supporters "deplorables". That exactly right! Disruptors, disturbers, deplorables or patriots. Take your pick. Whatever is the choice, its works for me.


patriot (n.)


1590s, "compatriot," from Middle French patriote (15c.) and directly from Late Latin patriota "fellow-countryman" (6c.), from Greek patriotes "fellow countryman," from patrios "of one's fathers," patris "fatherland," from pater (genitive patros) "father" (see father (n.)); with -otes, suffix expressing state or condition. Liddell & Scott write that patriotes was "applied to barbarians who had only a common [patris], [politai] being used of Greeks who had a common [polis] (or free-state)."

Meaning "loyal and disinterested supporter of one's country" is attested from c. 1600, but became an ironic term of ridicule or abuse from mid-18c. in England, so that Johnson, who at first defined it as "one whose ruling passion is the love of his country," in his fourth edition added, "It is sometimes used for a factious disturber of the government."


The name of patriot had become [c. 1744] a by-word of derision. Horace Walpole scarcely exaggerated when he said that ... the most popular declaration which a candidate could make on the hustings was that he had never been and never would be a patriot. [Macaulay, "Horace Walpole," 1833]

Somewhat revived in reference to resistance movements in overrun countries in World War II, it has usually had a positive sense in American English, where the phony and rascally variety has been consigned to the word patrioteer (1928). Oriana Fallaci ["The Rage and the Pride," 2002] marvels that Americans, so fond of patriotic, patriot, and patriotism, lack the root noun and are content to express the idea of patria by cumbersome compounds such as homeland. (Joyce, Shaw, and H.G. Wells all used patria as an English word early 20c., but it failed to stick.) Patriots' Day (April 19, anniversary of the 1775 skirmishes at Lexington and Concord Bridge) was observed as a legal holiday in Maine and Massachusetts from 1894.

etymonline.com/word/patriot?ref=etymonline_crossreference (https://www.etymonline.com/word/patriot?ref=etymonline_crossreference)


nationalist (n.)


"one devoted to his nation," 1715, from national in a now obsolete sense of "patriotic" (1711) + -ist. In 19c. Britain often particularly "one who advocates independence for a nation" (especially Ireland). Related: Nationalistic; nationalistically.

etymonline.com/search?q=nationalist (https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=nationalist)

I don't see anything wrong with that. :)

palooka's revenge
24th October 2018, 04:13
palooka's revenge

Certainly, as you've stated "there is no savior outside of ourselves." I don't think you will find any statement that states "Trump is gonna save us because he's a good guy and smarter than the bad guys" that has been made, here. That notion must have been picked from somewhere else, imo.



no, not here. out there. that's all for now. wanna see that vid. subject close to home for me. thx for that 'n your reply turiya....p

Aianawa
24th October 2018, 07:40
The exciting things for me at present is more n more people not going left or right or/and right or wrong or lol blindly taking others realities, THAt is so exciting.

turiya
24th October 2018, 11:48
X22Report

Report begins @ ~ 2:50....

This Is How Manufacturing Is Coming Back To America, Flip The Narrative - Episode 1697a
(Oct 23, 2018)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUdLM5woV6k
Description:


The economy if you go by the statistical numbers is doing better than it ever did before. But we know that this is not the true information on how the economy is doing. The economy has been manipulated for a long time and the manipulation is continuing to use it against the central bank and the deep state. The strategy is to get rid of the globalist system and reverse what has been done over the many years. So when we see China in the cross hairs we know that this is the strategy, show the corporations what China has been up to and make it impossible for companies to stay not just in China but other countries.
_______________________________

Report begins @ ~ 3:12

Moves And Countermoves,Truth Not Revealed, Breaking Down The Strategy - Episode 1697b
(Oct 23, 2018)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cGMyeF7yiU
Description:


The caravan of illegals is pushing towards the border. The MSM and the deep state are applauding this and Trump is ready to take action. Trump is challenging the media to bring cameras and show the caravan. Erdogan promised the naked truth, he didn’t deliver, he said nothing new. We still have no proof, we have not heard the recording or verified anything. Pence says those who are responsible will pay. Gina Haspel Dir of the CIA has been dispatched to Turkey to investigate.


Political/Rights

Migrant Declares That Trump Is “The Antichrist” As Caravan Swells To 14,000 People (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-23/migrant-declares-trump-antichrist-caravan-swells-14000-people?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+zerohedge%2Ffeed+%28zero+hedg e+-+on+a+long+enough+timeline%2C+the+survival+rate+fo r+everyone+drops+to+zero%29)

With midterm elections just two weeks away, it is the massive caravan of migrants currently headed toward the U.S. border that is garnering most of the top headlines, with their arrival on the US border seemingly well-timed to coincide with Americans going to the polls.

https://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/inline-images/DqMiR81VYAAEfT8.jpg

President Trump had been hoping that this caravan would be stopped at Mexico’s southern border, but that did not happen, and now it appears that we could be looking at a major international incident along the U.S. border with Mexico not many days from now. As you will see below, it is being reported that the population of “the caravan” has grown to 14,000 people, and many of them are extremely angry with Donald Trump.
The Mexicans had closed their border with Guatemala as “the caravan” approached, but migrants started using boats to cross into Mexico and the Mexican police failed to stop them.

https://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/inline-images/Central_America_Migrant_Caravan_66293.jpg

But President Trump is pledging that this caravan will not be given the opportunity to enter the United States. One of his primary concerns is that there could be gang members and Middle Eastern terrorists embedded among the migrants…
And these “freedom-seeking’ migrants don’t seem too excited about the American Dream (as AP reports, two people burn a US flag with a swastika painted on it in front of the US Embassy in Tegucigalpa, Honduras)
Source: zerohedge.com

Donald Trump Challenges Media to Bring Cameras and Investigate Caravan (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/10/22/donald-trump-challenges-media-to-bring-cameras-and-investigate-caravan/)

President Donald Trump challenged the media on Monday to bring their cameras to the caravan of over 7,000 migrants, currently pressing through Mexico towards the United States.
“Go into the middle of the caravan, take your cameras and search,” Trump told reporters at the White House.
He claimed that they would find MS-13 gang members as well as Middle Eastern citizens trying to enter the United States.
“Guess what? We are not allowing them in our country,” he said. “We want safety.”
Trump said he was frustrated by Honduras, Guatemala, and El Salvador for failing to stop the caravan from continuing their journey north.
“They have not done their job, unfortunately, they have not done their job,” he said. “They’re paid a lot of money every year. We give them foreign aid. And they did nothing for us.”
Source: breitbart.com

Bomb Found In Mailbox At George Soros’s Westchester Home (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-23/bomb-found-mailbox-george-soross-westchester-county-home?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+zerohedge%2Ffeed+%28zero+hedg e+-+on+a+long+enough+timeline%2C+the+survival+rate+fo r+everyone+drops+to+zero%29)

An employee of billionaire investor George Soros discovered a bomb placed in a mailbox at Soros’s Westchester County home on Monday. The explosive device was later “protectively detonated” by an FBI bomb squad after the employee moved it to a wooded area.


https://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/inline-images/2018.10.23soros.JPG
Soros
According to the New York Times, federal and state law enforcement officials responded to the scene in Katonah, NY, a hamlet in in the town of Bedford in northern Westchester, after the Bedford Police Department received a call about a suspicious package at around 3:45 pm on Monday.
Soros wasn’t home at the time.
A Red Herring….This dudes got more security than the President.
Who in their right mind finds a bomb in a mailbox and then ******* moves it? No one, that’s who. Something stinks.
Source: zerohedge.com

Hungary Passes ‘Stop Soros’ Laws, Bans Aid To Undocumented Immigrants (https://www.npr.org/2018/06/20/622045753/hungary-passes-stop-soros-laws-bans-aid-to-undocumented-immigrants?fbclid=IwAR3u3V2i9J_7FFpv6MPjOuW8o6yBjL Uec7xXSczwQ1XDPENr3rZF40k7jWA)

Hungary’s parliament passed a series of laws on Wednesday criminalizing the act of aiding undocumented immigrants seeking asylum in the country, despite strong objections from leading European rights bodies.
The suite of bills, called “Stop Soros,” allow the government to imprison individuals and nongovernmental organizations for up to a year if they’re deemed to be facilitating what it says is illegal immigration by people not entitled to protections,
Source: nrp.com


KhashoggiTurkish President Erdogan’s didn’t quite deliver on his promise to reveal “the naked truth” in the killing of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi during a speech on Tuesday

Saudi King, Crown Prince Meet Khashoggi Family – Report (https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201810231069139565-saudis-journalist-meeting/)

Saudi Arabia’s King Salman met with the family members of journalist Jamal Khashoggi in Riyadh, t s.
The meeting was attended by Khashoggi’s son Salah and brother Sahel, as well as by Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman himself.
Source: sputniknews.com

Erdogan says Khashoggi murder was planned, wants trial of accused in Istanbul (https://www.thehindu.com/news/international/turkish-president-recep-tayyip-erdogan-says-jamal-khashoggi-murder-was-planned-wants-trial-of-accused-in-istanbul/article25299378.ece)


https://www.thehindu.com/news/international/nlxe48/article25299377.ece/alternates/FREE_660/SAUDI-KHASHOGGITURKEY

The Turkish President did not mention Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman by name but said he was confident of the full cooperation of his father Saudi King Salman in the probe.
Erdogan on October 23 called for the trial in Istanbul of the Saudi suspects in the murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi, a crime that he said was intricately planned days in advance.
“My demand is that 18 people be tried in Istanbul,” Mr. Erdogan said in a speech to ruling party lawmakers in Ankara, referring to 18 people including security officials who have already been detained by Riyadh. He added that “all those who played a role in the murder” had to face punishment.
Mr. Erdogan said that the murder was “planned” days in advance according to a “roadmap” set up by a Saudi team who were sent to Istanbul for the purpose. The surveillance system at the Saudi consulate in Istanbul was deactivated on purpose, he said.
But Mr. Erdogan added he still wanted answers on numerous issues including “who gave orders” to the team and where the corpse is.
Source: thehindu.com

Excerpts from Turkish president’s speech on writer’s death (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/oct/23/excerpts-from-turkish-presidents-speech-on-writers/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS)

“Why did these 15 people all with links to the event gather in Istanbul on the day of the murder? We are seeking answers. Who did these people get their orders from to go there? We are seeking answers.”
Source: washingtontimes.com

Saudi team arrived a day before Khashoggi’s killing, consulate cameras removed, Erdogan says (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-saudi-khashoggi-turkey-vienna/saudi-team-arrived-a-day-before-khashoggis-killing-consulate-cameras-removed-erdogan-says-idUSKCN1MX18T?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Reuters%2FworldNews+%28Reuter s+World+News%29)

A team of Saudi agents began arriving in Turkey the day before journalist Jamal Khashoggi was killed, and cameras at the consulate were removed, President Tayyip Erdogan said on Tuesday. so they removed all the cameras except the one outside?
Source: reuters.com

Turkish Police Find Two “Suspicious” Suitcases In Abandoned Saudi Consular Car; Chemical Mask Recovered (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-23/turkish-police-find-two-suspicious-suitcases-abandoned-saudi-consular-car-chemical?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+zerohedge%2Ffeed+%28zero+hedg e+-+on+a+long+enough+timeline%2C+the+survival+rate+fo r+everyone+drops+to+zero%29)

According to Turkish media outlet Hürriyet and CNN Turk, two suitcases full of clothes believed to belong to slain Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi were found in the trunk of a Saudi consular car abandoned in an Istanbul parking lot.
Also found were a computer and documents which were said to belong to Khashoggi as well, according to CNN Turk.

https://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/inline-images/benz1.jpg
Saudi consulate car similar to abandoned Mercedes

The car, a Mercedes with diplomatic plates, matched the description of another vehicle seen outside the Saudi consulate in Istanbul where journalist Jamal Khashoggi disappeared on October 2.
A Reuters witness said a Saudi team was accompanying the Turkish investigators as they carried out the search in a car park where the vehicle was found in Istanbul’s Sultangazi district on Monday.[/LIST]

On its website, CNN Turk said the investigators found a computer and documents in the car which were said to belong to Khashoggi. –Reuters (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-saudi-khashoggi-turkey-suitcases/khashoggis-possessions-found-during-search-of-consulate-vehicle-cnn-turk-idUSKCN1MX2AR?utm_source=reddit.com)

The abandoned car was discovered after a reader tipped off Hürriyet reporters.
According to an employee who spoke to Hürriyet, the Mercedes with the diplomatic plate of 34 CC 1736 was driven into the parking lot by one of the attachés of the consulate, identified only as Muhammed O., on Oct. 7. –Hürriyet (http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/three-suspicious-luggages-locked-in-saudi-consular-car-abandoned-in-istanbul-parking-lot-138174)

“We know him as he has been using our parking lot sometimes. However, normally his Turkish driver uses this car. But on Oct. 7, the attaché was driving it himself,” said the employee.
Meanwhile, the same Saudi attaché returned to the parking lot on October 18 with a BMW bearing diplomatic license plate 34-CC-2665, parked it in front of the Mercedes and unloaded three suitcases – “two of them quite large,” according to a lot employee who helped him load the bags into the Mercedes.
“Khashoggi (http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/search/khashoggi)’s body is not inside the suitcases, is it?” the employee quoted himself as jokingly asking the attaché. “He laughed and answered no,” he said, according to Hürriyet.
https://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/inline-images/5bced7d70f254322a074057e.jpeg

Chemical mask
The lot employee also told Hürriyet that a chemical face mask had fallen on the ground while unloading the suitcases into the trunk.
“The attaché took it and put it in a trash bin before leaving the parking lot with the BMW,” said the employee. “I was very suspicious. I took the mask and showed it to a doctor. He told me that it was a mask that is used by those who work with heavy chemicals. I was so scared that I instantly put it away.”
The consulate’s Mercedes remained in the parking lot with the suspicious suitcases in its trunk, as well as an iPhone box and a kettle, which can be seen in its back seat.

Turkish police went to the parking lot on Oct. 22 but could not search the car due to its diplomatic immunity.

After receiving a waiver from Saudi authorities, security forces returned to the site and conducted the search on Oct. 23.

According to the initial findings, two suitcases full of clothes were found in the trunk.

The clothes will be analyzed for DNA traces, a security source said. –Hürriyet (http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/three-suspicious-luggages-locked-in-saudi-consular-car-abandoned-in-istanbul-parking-lot-138174)

More suitcases?
Source: zerohedge.com

Bombshell: Khashoggi Remains Discovered In Garden Of Saudi Consul General’s Home: Sky News (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-23/turkish-investigators-find-mutilated-body-saudi-journalist?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+zerohedge%2Ffeed+%28zero+hedg e+-+on+a+long+enough+timeline%2C+the+survival+rate+fo r+everyone+drops+to+zero%29)

Hours after Turkish President Erdogan demanded that Saudi Arabia disclose the whereabouts of journalist Jamal Khashoggi’s remains, body parts reportedly belonging to Khashoggi have been found, according to Sky sources, though the exact location wasn’t revealed. According to anonymous sources cited by Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/sky-sources-jamal-khashoggis-body-parts-found-11533202), the writer had been “cut up” and his face “disfigured.”
One source suggested that Khashoggi’s remains had been discovered in the garden of the Saudi consul general’s home.“
Source: zerohedge.com

US Must Hold Saudi Crown Prince Accountable for Khashoggi Killing – Senator (https://sputniknews.com/world/201810231069138857-us-saudi-crown-prince/)

The United States should hold Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman responsible for the murder of Washington Post columnist Jamal Khashoggi in Istanbul along with any other officials involved in the case, Senator Richard Blumenthal said.
Source: sputniknews.com

Adam Schiff Calls for Probe into Trump Ties with Saudi Arabia (https://www.breitbart.com/midterm-election/2018/10/22/adam-schiff-trump-saudi-arabia/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+breitbart+%28Breitbart+News%2 9) – Forget Russia that was made up we are moving on to Saudi Arabia


Trump Remains Unsatisfied With Saudi Accounts on Killed Journalist (https://www.theepochtimes.com/trump-says-remains-unsatisfied-with-saudi-accounts-on-killed-journalist_2696708.html)

“I am not satisfied with what I’ve heard,” Trump told reporters (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pk_6ZpFs-6I&feature=youtu.be&t=336) at the White House and later added: “I don’t want to lose all that investment that’s been made in our country. … But we’re going to get to the bottom of it.”
Source: theepochtimes.com

CIA director goes to Istanbul to join Khashoggi investigation – source (https://www.rt.com/newsline/441977-haspel-turkey-khashoggi-investigation/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=RSS)

CIA director Gina Haspel is traveling to Turkey today to participate in the investigation into the death of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi, Now Trump said something very interesting, he said he has “top intelligence people in Turkey,” but did not elaborate. on what that meant
Source: rt.com

Those Responsible Will Be Punished”: Pence Vows Response To “Brutal” Khashoggi Murder (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-23/mike-krieger-blasts-us-medias-despicable-unethical-pervasive-links-saudi-money?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+zerohedge%2Ffeed+%28zero+hedg e+-+on+a+long+enough+timeline%2C+the+survival+rate+fo r+everyone+drops+to+zero%29)

Vice President Mike Pence on Tuesday reiterated comments he made last week, vowing that the United States would “follow the facts” and “demand that those responsible are held accountable,” for the murder of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi – calling it an “assault on a free and independent press,” reports The Hill.
Pence said CIA Director Gina Haspel is in Turkey “reviewing the evidence” in the case and will brief President Trump upon returning to the U.S., after which the president would decide on a response.
“We’re going to follow the facts. We’re going to demand that those responsible are held accountable,” Pence said
Source: zerohedge.com

SOURCE: X22REPORT.COM (https://x22report.com/moves-and-countermovestruth-not-revealed-breaking-down-the-strategy-episode-1697/)

turiya
24th October 2018, 14:12
More on KHASHOGGI, Soros & the Deep State

TRUMP, KHASHOGGI, SOROS & THE DEEP STATE
(Oct 23, 2018)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbKbGZ4K0CQ
Description:


Dave Janda gives his rundown on Khashoggi & his connections with the Deep State.

turiya
24th October 2018, 21:34
Latest Trump Tweets... I Wonder...









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Billions of dollars are, and will be, coming into United States coffers because of Tariffs. Great also for negotiations - if a country won’t give us a fair Trade Deal, we will institute Tariffs on them. Used or not, jobs and businesses will be created. U.S. respected again!

9:43 AM - 23 Oct 2018











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For those who want and advocate for illegal immigration, just take a good look at what has happened to Europe over the last 5 years. A total mess! They only wish they had that decision to make over again.

4:52 AM - 24 Oct 2018











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We are a great Sovereign Nation. We have Strong Borders and will never accept people coming into our Country illegally!

4:56 AM - 24 Oct 2018











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I agree wholeheartedly!

Vice President Mike Pence @VP
We condemn the attempted attacks against fmr Pres Obama, the Clintons, @CNN & others. These cowardly actions are despicable & have no place in this Country. Grateful for swift response of @SecretService, @FBI & local law enforcement. Those responsible will be brought to justice. (https://twitter.com/VP/status/1055115436361166849)

4:56 AM - 24 Oct 2018





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I WONDER... (https://www.theburningplatform.com/2018/10/24/i-wonder-2/)

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Only 13 days to the mid-term elections. The Brett Kavanaugh hearings were a disaster for the Soros led left wing lunatics. The blue wave was turning into the blue puddle. Trump’s poll ratings were the highest of his presidency. The dimocrats had been a shoe in to take back the House by flipping 30 or 40 seats. But, you could sense by the tone of the left wing propaganda media, things had changed. Trump’s legions were motivated. Moderates were leaning right due to the hysterics of the left wingers in trying to stop Kavanaugh. Even blacks are moving toward Trump.

So with their dreams of regaining the House slipping away, there suddenly appeared a horde of 8,000 Hondurans heading thousands of miles for the U.S. border riding on trucks and being paid by someone. This “spontaneous” army of the 3rd world shitholers somehow is being transported and fed by someone at a cost of hundreds of thousands per day to arrive on our border on elections day. I wonder who could be behind this.


https://c4.legalinsurrection.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Over-a-thousand-Hondurans-marching-to-our-southern-border-620x408.png

Then today, every left wing politician and news organization in the country receives a bomb in the mail, designed to be caught before it could ever do any damage, even if it was capable of doing damage. Those poor dimocrats. It must be those evil Trump supporting right wingers who sent these faux bombs. The narrative is being constructed as we speak. Vote for Republicans and they will bomb you. I wonder who benefits by this blatant false flag operation? ...pssst... that would be the Deep State, Jim...

On the same day as the bomb narrative we have the stock market falling 608 points. It had hit an all-time high three weeks ago. It is now down over 2,300 points since then. Trump had been crowing about the record and has taken credit for this soaring stock market. Did he inadvertently set himself up as the fall guy? Are his Deep State enemies on Wall Street purposely tanking the market before the mid-terms? What if it goes down another 2,000 or 3,000 points by November 6. Do you think that will swing some voters to the left? I wonder.

https://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/inline-images/2018-10-24_10-48-55.jpg?itok=k7HjnV1V

This sure seems like an organized coordinated operation to derail Trump and his Red Wave in the upcoming elections. The 2008 financial collapse most certainly benefited Obama versus McCain. Will these transparently blatant tactics work....

...I wonder.

The Burning Platform (https://www.theburningplatform.com/2018/10/24/i-wonder-2/)
By Jim Quinn


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Guatemala's President:
100 ISIS Terrorists Caught in Guatemala as Central American Caravan Heads to U.S.

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1050845788102959104/6640HUtp?format=jpg&name=600x314 (https://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2018/10/100-isis-terrorists-caught-in-guatemala-as-central-american-caravan-heads-to-u-s/)
100 ISIS Terrorists Caught in Guatemala as Central American Caravan Heads to U.S.
In a startling revelation, Guatemala’s president announced in the country’s largest newspaper that nearly 100 ISIS terrorists have been apprehended in the impoverished Central American nation.
judicialwatch.org

9:00 PM - 23 Oct 2018

turiya
25th October 2018, 00:34
Trump, the Economy & The Fed


Jerome Powell Is
Trump’s Scapegoat (https://schiffgold.com/key-gold-news/jerome-powell-is-trumps-scapegoat/)

OCTOBER 24, 2018
BY SCHIFFGOLD

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Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell has become Pres. Donald Trump’s favorite scapegoat. As “his” stock market gets more and more volatile, Trump needs somebody to blame — especially during election season. The Fed chair makes the perfect target.

That’s why every time the stock market dips, Trump takes aim at Powell and the central bank. In the wake of the big stock market plunge earlier this month, Trump said, “The problem I have is with the Fed. The Fed is going wild. They’re raising interest rates and it’s ridiculous.” He also said the Fed is “going loco.” The next day, the president doubled down, saying “I’m paying interest at a high rate because of our Fed. And I’d like our Fed not to be so aggressive because I think they’re making a big mistake.”

Trump caught a lot of flack for criticizing the “independent” Fed, but instead of ratcheting down the rhetoric, Trump escalated his attack during a recent interview with the Wall Street Journal. The president essentially blamed the central bank for the recent volatility in the stock market and told the WSJ that it’s “too early to tell” if he regrets nominating the Fed chairman.”

The Fed is supposed to be an “independent” institution, operating above the political fray. We all know this is a charade, but most politicians at least endeavor to maintain the illusion. Not Trump. He told the WSJ he is “intentionally sending a direct message to Mr. Powell that he wanted lower interest rates,” and indicated he wasn’t going to sit back and let the central bank wreck the economy.


I’m just saying this: I’m very unhappy with the Fed because Obama had zero interest rates.”

Ah. And therein lies the rub.

Obama got a full eight years of accommodative monetary policy and the benefit of the “stimulating” effect of low rates. Trump gets it. After all, he accurately called the stock market a “big, fat, ugly bubble” during his run for the presidency. And that’s what this is all about. Trump wants his own big, fat ugly bubble. In fact, he needs the bubble to stay inflated because he’s spent the last 18 months taking credit for the “booming economy.” As the WSJ put it:


The president’s caustic comments about Mr. Powell came as Mr. Trump repeatedly described the economy in personal terms. He referred to economic gains during his time in office as “my numbers,” saying, “I have a hot economy going.”

He described his push for growth as a competition with former President Obama’s record, saying that increases under his Democratic predecessor were skewed because of low-interest rates.

[…]
Citing the rate increases, Mr. Trump said, “How the hell do you compete with that? And Obama — remember this, it’s very important — Obama had zero interest,” the president said.

Trump knows rising rates are going to pop the bubbles. He knows the boom is breathing its last breath. And he knows the Democrats are going to blame him when the bubbles burst. He needs a scapegoat and Powell fits the bill.

In an article published by the Libertarian Institute, Alan Mosley called it “a trillion dollar game of hot potato.” As Mosley put it, it’s easy to get excited about the president attacking the Fed. And in a broad sense, he’s right. The central bank has caused the coming crash. But it’s not because Powell decided to raise rates. It’s because the Federal Reserve kept rates artificially low for nearly a decade. Trump has no desire to address the real problem – endless Federal Reserve (and government) meddling in the economy. He just wants the central bank to prop up his own political ambitions.

Mosely sums it all up this way.


In the broad view, it is perfectly reasonable to be angry, but it’s important to be angry at the right people for the right reasons. When President Trump publicly decries the Fed as an adversary, the ‘End the Fed’ crowd might be quick to cheer. After all, it is by the power of the monetary printing press that the Federal Reserve is able to finance the welfare/warfare state, while simultaneously bankrolling any number of projects for wayward politicians fulfilling their promises to the special interests that got them elected. Such government growth and subsequent cronyism wouldn’t be possible without the Fed’s monetary mechanizations. But President Trump’s barbs are hardly the strike at the root that is required because he has no political interest in taking the Fed on outright. With his swiftness to claim the most recent financial bubble as proof positive of his economic brilliance, the president has entered into a trillion dollar game of ‘Hot Potato,’ and being the one holding it when the bubble bursts could spell disaster for his party and administration.”

SOURCE (https://schiffgold.com/key-gold-news/jerome-powell-is-trumps-scapegoat/)

turiya
25th October 2018, 00:41
Trump & Powell Working Together to Bring Down The Fed...


Did Trump Just Lay Out The Plan To Get Rid Of The [Fed]? - Episode 1698a

(Oct 24, 2018)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkayLkOER2s
Description:


Cars sales have imploded, dealerships are seeing a drop in traffic and its getting worse. New home sales implode and it doesn’t look good for real estate. The economy is deteriorating very rapidly and we are seeing a deterioration in all sectors. The statistical numbers do not tell the whole story if we go back in time we saw the same number and the economy was in a recession. Trump continues with his attacks on the Fed, this is part of the plan and the push to shape the narrative. Trump actually came out and said that the Fed is wrecking the economy.

Emil El Zapato
25th October 2018, 00:42
Here's a question? How many half-wits give this thread any credence? Credence...get it.

"On 18 October 2018 the extreme-right legal advocacy organization Judicial Watch published a article headlined “100 ISIS Terrorists Caught in Guatemala as Central American Caravan Heads to U.S.,” suggesting an alarming confluence of events:

In a startling revelation, Guatemala’s president announced in the country’s largest newspaper that nearly 100 ISIS terrorists have been apprehended in the impoverished Central American nation. Why should Americans care about this? A caravan of Central American migrants is making its way north. Let’s not forget that Guatemala is one of the countries that bombarded the U.S. with illegal immigrant minors under Barack Obama’s open border free-for-all. They came in droves from Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala through the Mexican border and for years Uncle Sam rolled out the welcome mat offering housing, food, medical treatment and a free education

The Judicial Watch article conflated two separate news stories, with the effect of leaving some readers with the impression that people with links to the Islamic State (ISIS) terrorist organization were potentially traveling with a migrant caravan toward the southern U.S. border."

Stupidity should have its limits...but it really doesn't seem so...I mean there is an upper limit on perspicacity...but not a lower (Vegetables anyone)...

Fred Steeves
25th October 2018, 02:19
This “spontaneous” army of the 3rd world shitholers...

Nice touch. Where have I heard that kind of generalized description of a people before?

Wind
25th October 2018, 02:48
Turiya, you could reconsider using that kind of language here.

Aianawa
25th October 2018, 03:10
Likely better said, weres taking once again advantage of peoples of a low socionomacle base in countries likely shadow governed by them.

Aragorn
25th October 2018, 05:26
[...] left wing lunatics.

[...] a horde of 8,000 Hondurans heading thousands of miles for the U.S. border riding on trucks and being paid by someone. This “spontaneous” army of the 3rd world shitholers

Allow me to quote this little excerpt from The One Truth's Forum Rules (https://jandeane81.com/announcement.php?f=&a=1)...:












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This thread is now closed, and I am hereby giving you your second official warning, turiya. Try it again and you will be banned for life.



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Aragorn
29th October 2018, 19:32
The following is a message from the staff of The One Truth for anyone who is not a member of this forum and/or who might be stumbling upon this thread at a later point in time.

The thread was closed by myself because of the fact that it was clearly intended as a US-centric right-wing propaganda thread. As the original poster of this thread, member turiya does not see the material he was posting here as propaganda, nor as right-wing. He actually believes that it would be genuine, and that it is neutral.

The staff of The One Truth does not agree with this vantage. We recognize that either party within a conflicting situation will always regard itself as being the neutral one, and we are also painfully aware of the tendency toward knee-jerks within this so-called alternative community.

Because he believes otherwise, turiya has contacted the staff by way of a private message in order to clarify himself and to request that the thread would be reopened. We have deliberated on this within the mod room as a team, on a dedicated thread with a poll attached to it.

It took some time because not every staff member was available right away, and other staff members needed some time to process all of the information before coming to a conclusion on how to vote in the poll. In addition to that, our deliberation on the matter was also brutally interrupted by the sudden passing of one of our dearest friends and most valued members, Brook, alias Shadowself, now five days ago as I'm writing this.

Either way, the staff's decision is now official as all staff members have in the meantime added their vote to the poll, and our vote was unanimous. All staff members have voted in favor of keeping this thread closed, for the exact same reason as why it was closed in the first place, i.e. it is US-centric right-wing propaganda, and some of the articles reproduced here contain hidden or not-so-hidden hate speech.

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Alas, we can lead the horse to the water, but we cannot make it drink. If people choose to believe in what has already proven itself to be somebody's idea of a prank that later on became an addictive cult — addictive even to the very perpetrators themselves — then there is unfortunately not a lot we can do about that.

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