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WantDisclosure
19th April 2018, 22:29
I am interested in what Dr. Lorraine Day has to say, because I am very impressed with her deathbed recovery from cancer after she asked God to show her the way.

Right now I am listening to her talk about the Talmud in the YouTube video "Dr. Lorraine Day - Jewish Control of Medicine & Health Issues," which was posted on YouTube September 13, 2016.

I just heard her say that in the Talmud it says that a Jewish doctor is never to save the life of a non-Jew.

I don't know what the Talmud says, and if I were to try to pull it up on the internet, I don't know how to evaluate the website posting it.

I'm not Jewish so I don't know from personal experience.

What does the Talmud say?

modwiz
19th April 2018, 22:38
I am interested in what Dr. Lorraine Day has to say, because I am very impressed with her deathbed recovery from cancer after she asked God to show her the way.

Right now I am listening to her talk about the Talmud in the YouTube video "Dr. Lorraine Day - Jewish Control of Medicine & Health Issues," which was posted on YouTube September 13, 2016.

I just heard her say that in the Talmud it says that a Jewish doctor is never to save the life of a non-Jew.

I don't know what the Talmud says, and if I were to try to pull it up on the internet, I don't know how to evaluate the website posting it.

I'm not Jewish so I don't know from personal experience.

What does the Talmud say?

The Talmud says many things, even a few sublime things. Cherry picking is a distortion because it is a little like a forum. Any member is free to post their thoughts. However, the thoughts are tied into their cosmology which is alien to the human species. I have read passages of rabbis who understand the nature of their god, demented and retarded, and it is their place to, their holy work, to be its proxies on Earth. They will honor the blood contract that began with Abraham.(circumcision)

It is christianity, (Rome) picking up this toxic trail and spreading with the sword that lies at the heart of modern woes. The prophet of Islam had a wealthy christian wife, Fatima, and the blood continued to flow.

Gaia/Sophia is our Creator and Mother, not to mention, under our feet and all around us. Sophia means wisdom in Greek and we ignore Her at the peril of the species. All species, actually.

WantDisclosure
19th April 2018, 22:41
This is the video I'm talking about:


OmegaDJ169
Published on Sep 13, 2016

Dr. Lorraine Day with Daryl B. Smith on The French Connection - 1/9/2007


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_6phgKnd_0


Cherry picking is a distortion because it is a little like a forum.
Does the Talmud say anything about Jewish doctors and what they should and should not do, qualified by circumstances, etc.?

modwiz
19th April 2018, 22:52
This is the video I'm talking about:




Does the Talmud say anything about Jewish doctors and what they should and should not do, qualified by circumstances, etc.?

My last answer in the general forum, KT. Some rabbis have written such things and will be found in the talmud.

Like our forum, what one says does not represent the whole.

No more questions to me please. I have already informed administration as to what my uses of this forum will be.:D

WantDisclosure
19th April 2018, 22:56
Some rabbis have written such things and will be found in the talmud.
Very helpful.

I am new to the research topic of The Talmud.

WantDisclosure
19th April 2018, 23:30
Right now I am listening to her talk about the Talmud in the YouTube video "Dr. Lorraine Day - Jewish Control of Medicine & Health Issues," which was posted on YouTube September 13, 2016.
The host interviewing Dr. Day is Daryl B. Smith.

Clearly, Daryl is a person with a passion for the truth, which is sacred, in my opinion.

The interview in question took place in 2007.

I was wondering whether or not Daryl is still an activist looking for information that we the people need.

My search brought up the YouTube video "Daryl Bradford Smith on Pizzagate" posted Nov 30, 2016.


Zionist Report
Published on Nov 30, 2016

In this interview, Andrew Carrington Hitchcock & Daryl Bradford Smith talk through his research on the international pedophilia ring that has surfaced recently in the, “Pizzagate,” scandal, evidence of which has been discovered amongst Hillary Clinton’s numerous emails. Daryl was a leading light in exposing the elites’ predilection for sexually abusing children, during his French Connection radio show which ran for over ten years. It is the duty of all of us to continue exposing these evil people, who prey on defenseless children to satisfy their own sick and perverted desires.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQmPxRH_U0g

WantDisclosure
20th April 2018, 01:20
My search brought up the YouTube video "Daryl Bradford Smith on Pizzagate" posted Nov 30, 2016 . . .

Here is the "About" page for the YouTuber:



Description

www.zionistreport.com

Zionist Report isn’t a Jewish bashing site nor are we anti-Semitic. What we are is a site that questions the prerogative of the Zionist movement and how it encompasses geopolitics and affairs from the bottom to the very top of society. The videos we post, current events, documentaries, and clips we all legally source.

What we are here to do is to make you think and expose the truth to you.

We are here to have you look at these events in a historical context. We encourage you to have positive dialogue and debate with fellow viewers.

Connect the dots and you will see nothing is as it seems.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGRpnyUUIoaWGdzu9Omv4-A/about

Gale Frierson
20th April 2018, 12:50
What?????Wizzie chooses to reply no more? Thought you loved questions. So what is your role here?

WantDisclosure
20th April 2018, 12:54
From another thread:


Regarding Stephen Lendman . . .

I was curious to see whether Jewish American analyst and writer Stephen Lendman has written about the Talmud.

I haven’t found an article specifically about the Talmud, but this article mentions it:


Israeli Rabbi Wants Non-Jews Banished
Published by Stephen Lendman at March 28, 2016

Israel is unfit to live in, including for most Jews, a society serving its privileged few alone like America.

Arab citizens (20% of the population) are treated like fifth column threats, denied rights afforded Jews, Knesset members representing them treated like potted plants.

Religious extremists like chief Sephardic rabbi Yitzhak Yosef have enormous influence. Instead of denouncing their unacceptable ideology, they’re embraced as distinguished figures.

Josef wants non-Jews banished for not observing Judaic law, saying “gentiles should not live in the Land of Israel.”

“If a gentile does not agree to take on the Seven (Laws of Noah, binding on everyone, according to the Talmud), we should send him to Saudi Arabia. When the true and complete redemption arrives, that is what we will do.”

Yosef believes the only reason non-Jews are allowed to live in Israel is because the Messiah hasn’t arrived. Their role is serving Jews, equal rights denied.

Weeks earlier, he urged Israelis to kill alleged Palestinian “terrorists” without fear of legal consequences, calling it a religious imperative.

“If someone comes to kill you, you kill him first. Don’t start being afraid with all kinds…that they’ll make about him later in the High Court of Justice, or that some chief of staff will come and say something different,” he said.

“It deters them too. The moment a terrorist knows that if he comes with a knife he won’t return alive, that will deter them. That’s why it’s a mitzvah to kill him.”

Religious extremists like Yosef and secular counterparts like Netanyahu run Israel, a nation unfit to live in for Jews and non-Jews alike, militarized for unchallenged control.

Palestinian human rights activist Imad Abu Shamsiya captured on videotape an Israeli soldier lethally shooting Abd al-Fattah al-Sharif, lying helpless on the ground.

He’s receiving death threats from extremist settlers, was detained, interrogated and threatened by Israel’s military, forced to hand over the original copy of his tape, saying he was told:

“How will you benefit from this video? It got a lot of publicity. Your name is known to everyone.”

“Who is going to protect you and your family from right-wing Israelis? Remember you live in (Tel Rumeida), surrounded by Israeli settlers. Who will be able to protect you there?

He’s gotten cell phone death threats and taunts by settlers shouting at him for hours outside his home.

“I now fear for my life and the life of my family,” he said. “I’m afraid they might attack my house and do me harm.”

He’s been targeted before. Last year, extremist settlers set his home ablaze, no one held accountable for the crime.

He’s deputy coordinator for Human Rights Defenders, a Hebron-based group involved in documenting West Bank abuses committed by soldiers and settlers.

Lunatics running Israel represent pure evil, the nation an affront to humanity, an apartheid police state masquerading as democratic.

http://stephenlendman.org/2016/03/israeli-rabbi-wants-non-jews-banished/

Dreamtimer
21st April 2018, 07:34
I doubt the Talmud says exactly that. There is probably a mitzvah that has been interpreted, or mis-interpreted, that points to how a jew versus a gentile should be treated. For instance, a rabbi might not worry over kosher food for a gentile. I doubt there is a direct command to not treat.

WantDisclosure
21st April 2018, 10:22
I doubt the Talmud says exactly that. There is probably a mitzvah that has been interpreted, or mis-interpreted, that points to how a jew versus a gentile should be treated. For instance, a rabbi might not worry over kosher food for a gentile. I doubt there is a direct command to not treat.

The Talmud originates from oral tradition from rabbis?

WantDisclosure
21st April 2018, 11:25
My search brought up the YouTube video "Daryl Bradford Smith on Pizzagate" posted Nov 30, 2016.
The host interviewing Daryl is Andrew Carrington Hitchcock.

He has a website:


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http://andrewcarringtonhitchcock.com/

Dreamtimer
21st April 2018, 11:28
My understanding is that there is a lot of debate and interpretation. They don't believe they know all of their history. There are 613 mitzvahs. I believe they take scripture as literally as they can but they still debate. Anyone can be a rabbi, but I've only heard of one female rabbi.

WantDisclosure
21st April 2018, 12:11
There are 613 mitzvahs.
Do you know this from your personal acquaintances? (I remember you posting about a Jewish Orthodox friend.)

Dreamtimer
21st April 2018, 15:14
I'm no expert. I don't know where the Torah ends and the Talmud begins.

According to a definition I found the Torah has two parts, written and oral. The Oral is, more or less, what has become the Talmud. It's considered the explanation of the written Torah.

It was only written to preserve it, it's supposed to be Oral. One rabbi wrote it in code because of this.

God gave the Torah. The Talmud comes from the rabbis. That seems to be a rule of thumb.

tarka the duck
22nd April 2018, 10:31
I am interested in what Dr. Lorraine Day has to say, because I am very impressed with her deathbed recovery from cancer after she asked God to show her the way.

If you are interested in Talmud, you should be talking to practitioners and scholars of Talmud - not a fundamentalist Christian who believes God saved her.


I just heard her say that in the Talmud it says that a Jewish doctor is never to save the life of a non-Jew.[

If you are interested in Talmud, you should be talking to practitioners and scholars of Talmud - not a fundamentalist Christian who believes God saved her.
That's like me asking my radical vegan niece for her favourite steak pie recipe ...

Lorraine Day clearly knows absolutely nothing about the Talmud if she said that. That statement is so fundamentally opposed to everything Judaism
holds important as to be laughable (but not in a funny way).

To consider, even for a moment, that Jewish doctor would not save the life of a non-Jew is evidence of a serious deficit in the department of critical thinking.
And it’s a perfect example of the way that hatred and bigotry override rationality.

Think about it. 14% of doctors in the US are Jewish. And no one has noticed that these 140,000 Jewish doctors are deliberately letting non-Jews die??
In a country where litigation is a national pastime, why has no one sued their asses off for negligence on religious grounds??

Why not? Because it's a lie. A fabrication. An invention. A deception. A myth. A variation on the medieval canards of blood libel and well poisoning.


The list of Israeli humanitarian organisations and NGOs that work across the world speaks volumes. Israel has a long tradition of offering humanitarian aid
to help alleviate disease, hunger, and poverty through non-governmental, non-political, non-partisan, non-profit volunteer-led organisations - offering
assistance to populations in need with equality and universality, regardless of religion, race, gender, culture or nationality.

Here are just a few such organisations:

https://www.saveachildsheart.com/about-us/
http://www.eyefromzion.com
http://www.israaid.co.il/about
https://www.israelrescuecoalition.org
https://www.latet.org.il/en/
http://ifaid.com
https://israelrescue.org/blog/
https://www.zaka.us


I’ll be back later with more random thoughts about this … it's a beautiful day here and the garden is calling :banana:

WantDisclosure
22nd April 2018, 10:48
If you are interested in Talmud, you should be talking to practitioners and scholars of Talmud - not a fundamentalist Christian who believes God saved her.
Actually Lorraine Day is not associated with any organized religion, and her reference to God is in relation to natural law—common sense things we all need to get well, such as nutrition, sunlight, drinking water, and forgiveness.

tarka the duck
23rd April 2018, 09:04
Actually Lorraine Day is not associated with any organized religion, and her reference to God is in relation to natural law—common sense things we all need to get well, such as nutrition, sunlight, drinking water, and forgiveness.


I think perhaps you haven’t come across Lorraine Day’s main site - Ms Day is a fully fledged, frothing-at-the-mouth,
Bible-thumping Christian - have a look for yourself.

http://www.goodnewsaboutgod.com


Isn’t it ironic when those who wax lyrical about the love of God spew such poison and hatred.


She’s actually quite a piece of work … she’s

Homophobic
http://www.hope-of-israel.org/aids.htm

A purveyor of anti Semitic hoaxes
http://www.germanvictims.com/2016/10/why-the-jews-hate-trump-lorraine-day/

A holocaust denier
https://respectfulinsolence.com/2007/01/12/dr-lorraine-day-purveyor-of-woo-and-anti/

A racist
http://www.germanvictims.com/2016/10/why-the-jews-hate-trump-lorraine-day/

An ignorant, raving loon
http://americanholocaustcoming.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/dr-lorraine-day-noahide-laws-and-future.html

tarka the duck
23rd April 2018, 09:34
I don't know what the Talmud says, and if I were to try to pull it up on the internet, I don't know how to evaluate the website posting it.

It’s really very easy, KT ...:p

Look for sites by practitioners and scholars of Talmud.
Steer clear of all those white supremacist, Christian identity, neo-Nazi hate sites.
Be mindful of bias, spin and propaganda.


Here you go for starters:

https://archive.org/stream/TheTalmudInAnti-semiticPolemics/the_talmud_djvu.txt
http://www.angelfire.com/mt/talmud/whatis.html
http://talmud.faithweb.com/
https://www.myjewishlearning.com/?s=talmud
http://www.sacred-texts.com/index.htm

Let us know how you get on.



What does the Talmud say?

How long have you got?

Talmud is a complication of Jewish oral law that was written in Aramaic and Hebrew in the 2nd century.
The print version is over 6,200 pages long - it’s putting it mildly to say that it’s not an easily accessible work:
Talmudic scholars need to know Hebrew and Aramaic in order to read from the original material, understand
who is writing each comment and the context in which it was written, navigate the layout of the pages and
the lack of commas and question marks, and have some understanding of how to construct a legal argument.

The internet is full of quotations from the Talmud that are mistranslated, placed out of context and
frequently fabricated in order to misrepresent and demonise Judaism. The Talmud is a mass of arguments
and debates that in the end, are all rejected - there are hypotheticals, reductios ad absurdum, ones with
limited scope (in that they relate to very specific circumstances), and sometimes ones that are just wrong!

That's why it needs to be studied in context; isolated excerpts will lead you astray


How about sitting down and reading a translation for yourself?
Then - and only then - will you have a better idea of what is and isn’t written. As ever, go to the source.

Here is one translation for you:
https://www.sefaria.org/Berakhot.2a.1?lang=bi

Dreamtimer
23rd April 2018, 10:31
Trump has taken to calling Chuck Todd 'sleepy eyes'. This is apparently a slur used against jews. Does Trump do this on purpose? Why the dog whistles?

WantDisclosure
23rd April 2018, 10:57
As ever, go to the source.

The source, apparently, (according to Wikipedia), is over 6,000 pages long, contains teachings and opinions of thousands of rabbis, and has six translations into English.

My opening post contained a hopeless question.

I stated in another thread that in my opinion, God doesn't have a religion.

And as far as Dr. Day's message about cancer treatment and how she recovered, what I take away from it is that doctors don't know how to treat cancer and the way she did it was to give her body what it needs to thrive, which includes attitude toward our fellow humans.

tarka the duck
23rd April 2018, 12:03
Trump has taken to calling Chuck Todd 'sleepy eyes'. This is apparently a slur used against jews. Does Trump do this on purpose? Why the dog whistles?

Utterly unbelievable.

It comes from a list of criteria used by Nazi secret police to determine who might be Jewish, and includes
traits such as a widow’s peak, dark curly hair, attached earlobes, weak or pointed chins,
thick lips with a commonly protruding lower lip, head shape including a low sloped forehead and high flat
back of skull, and thick eyelids giving a wary expression of “sleepy, untrustworthy eyes.”

I suppose that, growing up with a father who was arrested at a KKK rally, didn't help.

I wonder if orange skin and hair resembling a baboon that's been through the tumble drier signifies anything ;)

tarka the duck
23rd April 2018, 12:09
The source, apparently, (according to Wikipedia), is over 6,000 pages long, contains teachings and opinions of thousands of rabbis, and has six translations into English.

My opening post contained a hopeless question.



That was precisely my point, KT. The Talmud is massive, complex, incomprehensible,
challenging, studious … It would take you over 7 years to read it at the rate of one text a day.

It covers topics as disparate as trapping rodents and architecture and Jewish scholars devote their lives
to studying it and discussing it. It’s basically a record of conversations, debates and disagreements,
along with stories and jokes.

As one scholar put it, Talmud has “all the imperfections, the trivialities, the multiplicity of voices,
the wild associations - everything that characterises human conversation."

So to make it accessible, we need to rely on reliable sources who translate and interpret and explain.

And Lorraine Day is not a reliable source (for reasons stated by her on her website ).



And as far as Dr. Day's message about cancer treatment and how she recovered, what I take away from it is that doctors don't know how to treat cancer and the way she did it was to give her body what it needs to thrive, which includes attitude toward our fellow humans.

You started a thread about the Talmud, with a claim from Lorraine Day that the Talmud states Jewish doctors
are not allowed to treat non-Jewish patients (although she doesn’t explain how the Arabs who make up 20%
of the population of Israel manage to get medical care).

I don’t understand why you are repeatedly bringing up Lorraine Day’s claims about her recovery from cancer: how is
that relevant to a discussion about the Talmud?

Her religious mania, on the other hand, is very relevant.

Emil El Zapato
23rd April 2018, 20:52
Utterly unbelievable.

It comes from a list of criteria used by Nazi secret police to determine who might be Jewish, and includes
traits such as a widow’s peak, dark curly hair, attached earlobes, weak or pointed chins,
thick lips with a commonly protruding lower lip, head shape including a low sloped forehead and high flat
back of skull, and thick eyelids giving a wary expression of “sleepy, untrustworthy eyes.”

I suppose that, growing up with a father who was arrested at a KKK rally, didn't help.

I wonder if orange skin and hair resembling a baboon that's been through the tumble drier signifies anything ;)

I think anything fitting that description just might BE a baboon.

tarka the duck
24th April 2018, 13:25
To Keep Trying:

In case you’re still labouring under the misconception that Lorraine Day knows anything at all about the Talmud,
you might like to read up on a concept that is central to Judaism. It’s called “Tikkun Olam” = Repair the World.
This is an aspiration to behave constructively and beneficially, with acts of kindness to heal the world.
It’s synonymous with social responsibility and the pursuit of justice, with the teaching that the sole moral obligation
of humankind is the improvement of the welfare of all people.

Another principle that’s relevant to refuting Lorraine’s claims is “Pikuach Nefesh” .
This is the belief that the preservation of human life takes precedence over all the other commandments in Judaism.

Jacob Aronson describes it simply: “In spite of the virtue of observing a fast on the Sabbath, it is not virtuous
to observe laws at the risk of life. Such conduct is regarded as foolish, even as sinful. The Sages described
this stubbornness as a ‘piety of madness.’”

WantDisclosure
24th April 2018, 13:38
In case you’re still labouring under the misconception that Lorraine Day knows anything at all about the Talmud,
you might like to read up on a concept that is central to Judaism.
Frankly, I've moved on to other things at this point in time.

I don't care about Judaism, or Christianity, or Islam or any religion.

I've put religion behind me.

Dreamtimer
24th April 2018, 14:09
You might be focused on Zionism, Keep Trying, but you can’t remove religion from the discussion. It’s inextricably tied in.

Without Torah there is no Talmud.

Without Judaism there is no Zionism, even if the drive to found an Isreali nation was spearheaded by the English and Germans.

You can’t talk about your hand without discussing your fingers.

Emil El Zapato
24th April 2018, 14:23
Frankly, I've moved on to other things at this point in time.

I don't care about Judaism, or Christianity, or Islam or any religion.

I've put religion behind me.

wow, you did all that in 2 weeks. I bow to your magnificence.

tarka the duck
24th April 2018, 15:56
Frankly, I've moved on to other things at this point in time.
That’s really great, KT. I’m so glad you’ve seen through the lies presented in your OP.


I don't care about Judaism, or Christianity, or Islam or any religion.
It’s about far more than your own personal belief system.


I've put religion behind me.
Oh, me too :h5:.

That’s why I consider religious zealots like Lorraine Day to be so utterly pathetic: the way in which they
- in the name of righteousness - project their enmity and loathing of other human beings by spinning
a web of deliberate iles and deceit is dangerous and divisive, and can never achieve a healthy outcome.

Unfortunately, if history teaches us anything, it’s that fanning hatred is far easier than extinguishing it.

WantDisclosure
24th April 2018, 16:05
Without Judaism there is no Zionism . . .
There is if you focus on actions and racism rather than religious teachings and organized religion.

palooka's revenge
24th April 2018, 17:09
There is if you focus on actions and racism rather than religious teachings and organized religion.

impossible!

WantDisclosure
24th April 2018, 20:42
impossible!

What's the solution?

palooka's revenge
25th April 2018, 01:48
What's the solution?

accept it for what it is... intrinsically connected at the hip.

WantDisclosure
25th April 2018, 11:38
accept it for what it is... intrinsically connected at the hip.

But acceptance of wrongdoing towards others is unacceptable.

enjoy being
25th April 2018, 11:44
"Then forgiveness should be banned, broken things should be considered unfixable and left to rot on the side of the street and all wars should be endless, the middle east, a bench mark for behaviour."

Dumpster Diver
25th April 2018, 15:27
"Then forgiveness should be banned, broken things should be considered unfixable and left to rot on the side of the street and all wars should be endless, the middle east, a bench mark for behaviour."

= the state of the US currently. We have been at war for 95% of the time since our existence.

palooka's revenge
25th April 2018, 23:55
But acceptance of wrongdoing towards others is unacceptable.

No, in this context acceptance is only an acknowledgement that it is what it is. To use your word, wrongdoing! It does not necessarily mean to condone, agree, or align with, in this case, the wrongdoing.

Emil El Zapato
26th April 2018, 00:14
No, in this context acceptance is only an acknowledgement that it is what it is. To use your word, wrongdoing! It does not necessarily mean to condone, agree, or align with, in this case, the wrongdoing.

yeah, good answer and there is a huge difference. A difference many don't recognize.