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WantDisclosure
7th April 2018, 13:46
On the website Republic Broadcasting dot org, there is posted ten hours of free audio files posted by John Stadtmiller of The National Intel Report on the topic of Zionism.

Here is John's bio:




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As a dedicated and aggressive Constitutionalist, Stadtmiller consistently defends the Bill of Rights, property rights, and our nation’s borders. In the spirit of Thomas Jefferson and George Washington, Stadtmiller passionately argues against foreign entanglements and wars for the sake of corporate and banking interests. Stadtmiller avoids the bogus political labels of “left and right” and instead focuses on what really matters – what’s right and wrong. As a tenacious journalist, Stadtmiller has broken thousands of national stories over the span of his career, a feat that led John Stadtmiller as one of the front runners in alternative media. Stadtmiller’s mission is to re-ignite the spirit of 1776 and stand as an example of the fact that one man can build a vocal media platform without the aid of big corporate news networks that only serve to compromise and dilute the core message of freedom and liberty.

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https://republicbroadcasting.org/the-national-intel-report-with-john-stadtmiller/


To access the files, click on this link: Zionism Is Racism (http://republicbroadcasting.org/news/updated-zionism-and-the-jewish-elite-john-stadtmiller-the-national-intel-report/)

Dumpster Diver
7th April 2018, 14:47
...here we go, let’s replay the “Jews are racists” card.

I’d rather call them a cult. Isn’t that worse?

WantDisclosure
7th April 2018, 15:00
...here we go, let’s replay the “Jews are racists” card.

No, I'm not.

Jews are associated with Judaism.

Zionists are associated with the belief in a superior race.

The word "cult" will only muddy the waters and take the thread off-topic.

I did not know about Judaism vs. Zionism until I listened to Jeff Rense's program, where he had Jews as guests who explained this to the listening audience.

Zionists abuse Jews as much as they abuse "Gentiles."

This is a complex research topic.

Emil El Zapato
7th April 2018, 15:06
...here we go, let’s replay the “Jews are racists” card.

I’d rather call them a cult. Isn’t that worse?

I think that's closer to the truth, mon Dumpster.

An integral part of racism is its context. Get the context wrong and everything that proceeds from it is wrong and either misguided or deliberately contorted.


No, I'm not.

Jews are associated with Judaism.

Zionists are associated with the belief in a superior race.

The word "cult" will only muddy the waters and take the thread off-topic.

I did not know about Judaism vs. Zionism until I listened to Jeff Rense's program, where he had Jews as guests who explained this to the listening audience.

Zionists abuse Jews as much as they abuse "Gentiles."

This is a complex research topic.

What race are the Zionists associated with? Before you answer perhaps you should look up the formal definition of race.


On the website Republic Broadcasting dot org, there is posted ten hours of free audio files posted by John Stadtmiller of The National Intel Report on the topic of Zionism.

Here is John's bio:



To access the files, click on this link: Zionism Is Racism (http://republicbroadcasting.org/news/updated-zionism-and-the-jewish-elite-john-stadtmiller-the-national-intel-report/)

KT, you have gone from 'innocent' to 'curious' to 'nasty' in a short period of time. It suggests to me you are failing at a precipitous pace or have way too many pre-conceived notions or not out of the realm of possibility, an agenda.

Dumpster Diver
7th April 2018, 15:07
No, I'm not.

Jews are associated with Judaism.

Zionists are associated with the belief in a superior race.

The word "cult" will only muddy the waters and take the thread off-topic.

I did not know about Judaism vs. Zionism until I listened to Jeff Rense's program, where he had Jews as guests who explained this to the listening audience.

Zionists abuse Jews as much as they abuse "Gentiles."

This is a complex research topic.

Yup, I’ll agree the Zionists are Satanic monsters, and the unaware public doesn’t understand the difference between Zionism and Judaism. But race-baiting the topic does not help the conversation.

WantDisclosure
7th April 2018, 15:31
Yup, I’ll agree the Zionists are Satanic monsters, and the unaware public doesn’t understand the difference between Zionism and Judaism. But race-baiting the topic does not help the conversation.

You did the race-baiting, not me.

The topic of this thread is "Zionism Is Racism."

WantDisclosure
7th April 2018, 15:46
Here is a relevant article:




Jews Against Zionism
At its core, Zionism is fundamentally racist,
extremist, undemocratic, and militant
By Stephen Lendman
12-7-9



They're numerous, outspoken, and range from secular to orthodox to one group calling itself "True Torah Jews Against Zionism."

They believe that "traditional" Jews don't support Zionism, an ideology they call "contrary to Jewish law and beliefs and the teachings of the Holy Torah." They say Zionism:

-- advocates "a political and military end to the Jewish exile;"

-- fosters "pseudo-Judaism" based on secular nationalism;

-- coercively seeks "armed materialism" in place of "a Divine and Torah centered understanding;"

-- endangers all Jews worldwide;

-- wants to disassociate Jews and traditional Judaism from ideological Zionism; and

-- calls Israel a "Zionist State," not a Jewish one.

They:

-- cite their concern for "peace and safety of all people throughout the world including those living in the Zionist state" and in Occupied Palestine;

-- say from ancient times until 100 years ago, Jews and Arabs lived in peace and friendship until Zionism changed the relationship;

-- believe Zionists abandoned the Torah and traditional Judaism, demanded political sovereignty over the Holy Land, and aroused anger in the Arab world; and

-- Torah Jewry doesn't recognize or support a Zionist state; nor do they represent world Jews; even the name "Israel" is a "forgery," they believe, because the Torah forbids violence in the words of the prophet Isaiah who said:

"And they will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. No nation will lift its sword against any other, nor will they learn warfare anymore."

Toray Jewry says that believing Zionism protects Jews is "probably the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the Jewish People" and accuses Zionists of fostering global anti-Semitism. "Indeed, hatred of Jews and Jewish suffering is the oxygen of the Zionist movement, and from the very beginning has been (used) to deliberately incite hatred to justify the existence of the Zionist state - this is, of course, Machiavellianism raised to the highest order."

Zionist founder Theodor Herzl (1860 - 1904) said:

"It is essential that the suffering of Jews....becomes worse....this will assist in (the) realization of our plans....I have an excellent idea....I shall induce anti-semites to liquidate Jewish wealth....The anti-semites will assist us thereby in that they will strengthen the persecution and oppression of Jews. The anti-semites shall be our best friends."

In 1920, other Zionists voiced similar ideas, including Nahum Goldmann, later president of the World Zionist Organization and World Jewish Congress head. Israel's first president, Chaim Weizman, said Germany had too many Jews. In 1921, Jacob Klatzkin called for German Jews to undermine Jewish communities as a way to acquire a future state.

In 1963, Moshe Sharett (Israel's second prime minister from 1953 - 1955) told the 38th Scandinavian Youth Federation Annual Congress that Jewish freedom imperiled Zionism. Delegates at the 26th World Zionist Congress were told that easing US anti-Semitism and freedom endangered Jews.

Torah Jewry disagrees in affirming its desire to live in peace with their Arab and Palestinian neighbors and abide by sacred commandments "with a perfect heart and to delight in the radiance of the sanctity of the Land."

They believe: "Zionists have no right of any sovereignty over even one inch of the Holy Land. They do not represent the Jewish people in any way whatsoever. They have no right to speak in the name of the Jewish people." Their ideology is "antithetical to Jewish law," and because they don't behave like Jews, "they desecrate the sanctity of the land." They feel that when Israel is recognized as a Zionist, not a Jewish, state, "Jews worldwide will be able to live in peace" and do it alongside Arabs in the Middle East.

"The Hidden History of Zionism"

In his 1988 book, Ralph Schoenman explained four Zionist myths:

-- the notion of "A land without people for a people without a land" to promote the fiction that an empty Palestine was there for the taking by its rightful original inhabitants;

-- Israeli democracy, the only "real" one in the Middle East; in fact, Israel is democratic like South Africa was apartheid and much worse; "Civil liberty, due process and the most basic human rights" apply only for Jews;

-- "security (is) the motor force of Israeli foreign policy" because it's surrounded by hostile Arab states; and

-- "Zionism (is) the moral legatee of the victims of the Holocaust....the most pervasive and insidious of the" Zionist myths; in fact, Zionists, like future prime minister Yitzhak Shamir, openly colluded with the Nazis for their own purposes - to use persecution as justification for a future Zionist state and more.

It wasn't just to colonize Palestine. It was also to exploit indigenous people as cheap labor, dispossess and disperse them, replace them with arriving Jews, legitimize ethnic cleansing, and remove Palestinians from their land and history. Historical records were falsified. "Palestinians were re-invented as a semi-savage, nomadic remnant." Mass elimination methods were justified for a "people too many."

In 1923, hard line revisionist leader Ze'ev Jabotinsky argued that Arab nationalists opposed a Jewish state and wouldn't accept one. Thus peaceful coexistence was unattainable, and Jews had to build "an iron wall of (superior) Jewish military force." The idea was to discourage Arab hopes of destroying Israel followed by a negotiated settlement giving Israel the upper hand to dictate terms.

Terror was to be used the way Joseph Weitz, head of the Jewish Agency's Colonization Department, wrote in 1940:

"Between ourselves, it must be clear that there is no room for both peoples together in this country. We shall not achieve our goal if the Arabs are in this small country. There is no other way than to (get rid of) all of them. Not one village, not one tribe should be left."

The secret Koenig Report, later published in 1976, said:

"We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population."

Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-Election of Tel Aviv mayor Shlomo Lahat (1974 - 1993) stated:

"We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves."

Former IDF Chief of Staff Raphael Eitan (1978 - 1983) said:

"We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel....Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours."

Other Israeli leaders voiced similar extremism, including David Ben Gurion, Israel's first prime minister, saying in 1937 that "We must expel the Arabs and take their place and if we have to use force, to guarantee our own right to settle in those places - then we have force at our disposal."

At inception, Zionists like Herzl were pragmatic, yet devious, in believing imperial power backing was needed to establish a Jewish state. It could have been anywhere, but Palestine was chosen for its symbolic significance as the ancient Jewish homeland. Colonization began after the first Zionist Congress in Basle, Switzerland in 1897. Herzl later wrote:

"At Basle, I founded the Jewish state....If not in five years, then certainly in fifty everyone will realize it." It took 51 by dispossessing indigenous Palestinians and replacing them with Jews. Ever since, Zionism's most effective legitimacy claim is the notion of preventing another "Holocaust." It's justified the most outrageous crimes, characterized as "self-defense" by a tiny Jewish minority surrounded by hordes of hostile Arabs. It seized Palestinian land, Judaized it, created a new nation for Jews alone - undemocratic, imperial, militant, violent, exploitive, oppressive, racist, and hostile to core Judaic dogma.

It's why growing thousands of Jews globally oppose an ideology based on power, conquest, dispossession, and violation of the most fundamental Jewish ethical and moral teachings, ones Zionists disdain.

Not In My Name

It calls itself a "predominantly Jewish organization deeply committed to a peaceful and just resolution of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, a resolution that will provide safety, security and freedom for Jews, Palestinians, and all others living in this region." It opposes:

-- the illegal West Bank and Gaza occupations;

-- the West Bank and East Jerusalem settlements;

-- Israel's Separation Wall;

-- the collective punishment of millions of Occupied Palestinians and Israeli Arabs; and

-- Israeli human rights abuses, home demolitions, land seizures, arbitrary arrests, torture, travel and movement restrictions, and closure and encirclements of villages and communities.

It champions Palestinian self-determination, the right of return, and "full equality, civil rights and economic justice for all." It's for a shared Jerusalem and nuclear-free Middle East. It wants an end to violence and injustice and the equitable sharing of vital resources, including water, oil, gas, electric power, and all other essentials to life and well-being. It wants all US aid stopped until Israel ends its occupation and acts like a civilized state.

It deplores Zionism and what it represents. It's activists have chapters around the world. They organize protests and demonstrations, hold vigils and religious ceremonies, communicate with the media, foster dialogue between Jews and Palestinians, sponsor teach-ins, educational forums and study groups.

They believe that moral human beings are obligated "to speak out and take action." They refuse to remain silent or accept Israeli crimes passively. They're one among other like-minded organizations that say "Not In My Name." Not now or ever.

Jewish Voice for Peace (JVP)

JVP is "a diverse and democratic community of activists inspired by Jewish tradition to work together for peace, social justice, and human rights." They support the aspirations of Israelis and Palestinians for security and self-determination. Their agenda mirrors Not In My Name and states that "We are among the many American Jews who say to the US and Israeli governments: "Not in our names!"

They call on America and the international community to end wars and violence and support Palestinian self-determination free from occupation and oppression. They headline: "Israelis and Palestinians. Two Peoples, One Future," free from Zionist oppression.

Brit Tzedek V'Shalom

It's a Jewish Alliance for Justice & Peace calling itself "America's largest grassroots Jewish organization dedicated to promoting a negotiated two-state resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict." With around 50,000 supporters, including over 1,000 rabbis, they educate and organize the US Jewish community for a US foreign policy supportive of Israelis and Palestinians alike. It conducts campaigns, holds conferences, sponsors tours, and engages in various other activist efforts.

Its founding principles include:

-- evacuating Israeli settlements;

-- non-violent solutions in place of state terrorism and "state-initiated violence;"

-- "a complete end to the Israeli military occupation," including over East Jerusalem;

-- a viable Palestinian state based on pre-1967 borders;

-- Jerusalem as the capital of both states, free and open to all Muslims, Jews, Christians and others;

-- "a just resolution of the Palestinian refugee problem;" and

-- "the recognition that (US) Jews....have a special responsibility to urge (their) government to pursue policies consistent with the requirements of a just peace for Israel and the Palestinian people."

Tikkun

It publishes articles on social theory, religion and spirituality, social change, contemporary American and global politics and economics, Israel/Palestine, and other topics. It features issues that "both advance the pursuit of tikkun olam - social justice and the repair of the world - and break down issues of contemporary concern in completely new and thoughtful ways." It supports progressive spirituality and challenges established orthodoxies in all spheres of thought and politics. It's "dedicated to healing and transforming (a troubled) world."

Its editor is Rabbi Michael Lerner, author of "The Left Hand of God: Taking Our Country Back from the Religious Right," and "Jewish Renewal: A Path to Healing and Transformation." On May 8, 2008 on the HuffingtonPost.com, writing "On Zionism, Healing, and Israel's 60th Anniversary," he noted how Palestinians were dispossessed of their homes and villages by Jews "determined to be as ruthless towards others as others had been towards" them. "Yet, there are alternatives" not taken so conflict ever since has persisted.

As for Zionism, he described what emerged as "fundamentally incompatible with the highest values of the Jewish tradition, and must be rejected even as we develop a compassionate attitude toward the Jewish people of Israel." To preserve Judaism, Lerner quotes the following Torah injunction:

"When you come into your land, do not oppress the stranger: remember that you were strangers in the land of Egypt. A Jewish state that has been unwilling or unable to live by that command has no religious foundation and can generate no lasting support from those committed to God and Torah."

Doing it right requires abandoning "a naive utopian fantasy" and building a society based on "open-heartedness, compassion and caring for others...." Abandoning Zionist extremism for traditional Jewish moral values is essential.

Satmar

They're "Jews Not Zionists" and quote Rabbi Yoel Teitelbaum in 1958 speaking out against Zionist heresy:

"....if we place all the immodesty and promiscuity of the generation and the many sins of the world on one side of the scale, and the Zionist state on the other side of the scale by itself, it would outweigh them all. Zionism is the greatest form of spiritual impurity in the entire world. (It's) polluting the entire world. (It's) polluted the Jewish people with (its) heresy....Everything our blessed rabbis cried out about earlier in the century about the dangers of Zionism (have) been forgotten....It is impossible to describe to what extent the world has become sunken in such a falsehood which is destroying the entire Torah."

Jews Not Zionists believe that Zionism is heresy, and "the existence of the so-called 'State of Israel' is illegitimate." Zionism violated Torah doctrine, the very essence of Judaism. It believes that human life is sacred and human rights aren't to be denied by those who would sacrifice them for national security or any other reason.

"Judaism and Zionism are by no means the same. Indeed they are incompatible and irreconcilable." Good Jews can't be Zionists, and Zionists can't be good Jews. According to Jewish tradition, seven universal Noacide morality laws apply to everyone. Also the Ten Commandments for all monotheistic religions, and another 613 obligatory laws for traditional Jews.

They eschew violence, military power, and brute force. They're about morality and spiritual purity. Zionists made belief in the Torah and fulfillment of religious obligations a private matter, not a common obligation for all Jews. They made Judaic dogma subject to party or parliamentary votes and set their own ethical and moral standards, suiting them alone.

Many times in Jewish history, an extremist minority misled the majority. Worshiping the golden calf happened earlier. Today it's political Zionism. Before its emergence, piety, decency, learning, and belief in justice and mercy characterized most Jewish leaders. Now they're the minority. It's why they believe a good Jew can't be a Zionist, and a Zionist can't be a good Jew and aren't the legitimate spokespersons for anyone but themselves. From a religious point of view, they're heretics.

Jews Against Racist Zionism

They include distinguished figures who speak out for "anti-racist Jews and indeed all anti-racist humanitarians." They decry "anti-Arab anti-Semitic racist Zionists running Apartheid Israel and their Western backers." They're appalled by the continuing Palestinian, Iraqi, and Afghan genocides that have killed and dispossessed millions. They see Zionism as a threat to all Jews and humanity unless something is done to stop it.

Neturei Karta International (NKI)

NKI is an Aramaic term for "Guardians of the City," given to a group of Orthodox Jews in Jerusalem who "opposed the establishment of and retain all opposition to the existence of the so-called 'State of Israel!' " They demonstrate publicly and state their belief in the Torah and "authentic unadulterated Judaism.''

In 1938, NKI was founded in Jerusalem to struggle against Zionism. Most of its members now live outside Israel, many in New York where they're prominent, vocal, and ignored by the dominant media.

For refusing to accept Zionism, they were harassed, incarcerated, and physically tortured by "Zionist police and agents." As a result, they scattered internationally and established synagogues, educational institutions, publishing houses and organizations espousing their beliefs.

They're orthodox, but not ultra-orthodox or extremist. They've "added nothing to nor have taken anything away from the written and oral law of the Torah as it is expressed in the Halacha (traditional Jewish law) and the Shulchan Aruch (codification of Jewish law)."

They're allied with many thousands of other Jews sharing similar anti-Zionist views. They oppose the "State of Israel (because) the entire concept of a sovereign Jewish state is contrary to Jewish law." It conflicts with traditional Judaism.

They quote Talmudic doctrine teaching that Jews are prohibited from using force to establish a Jewish state or to rebel against other nations. "Jews are not allowed to dominate, kill, harm or demean another people and are not allowed to have anything to do with the Zionist enterprise, their political meddling and their wars."

"The true Jews remain faithful to Jewish belief and are not contaminated with Zionism. The true Jews are against dispossessing the Arabs of their land and homes. According to the Torah, the land should be returned to them....The world must know that the Zionists have illegitimately seized the name Israel and have no right to speak in the name of the Jewish people!"

NKI seeks peace and reconciliation with people of all faiths and nations. Of greatest concern is reconciling with the Muslim world after decades of Zionist abuses. They support peace, justice, and the right of Palestinian refugees to return to their homeland.

They decry Zionist propaganda, bullying tactics, censorship and lies. Its weapon is state terror. Its dogma is a profound disregard for human life and moral values. Its false idol is a "lack of truth on its side."

NKI notes how greater numbers of people now question Zionism, its version of history, and values. They blame it for massive bloodshed and suffering and believe they'll be no Middle East peace until there's no more State of Israel, at least under Zionism. They think that a coalition of anti-Zionist Jews and Palestinians can unite as a moral force for peace and good in the world. They welcome the abolition of Zionism "in a peaceful manner."

"We're not celebrating Israel's anniversary"

In a public April 30, 2008 petition, Harold Pinter was among 105 prominent Jews who said "we....will not be celebrating" Israel's May 2008 60th anniversary. They noted the 1948 slaughter and dispossession of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians, the destruction of their villages, their erasure from history, the 1967 occupation, the continued persecution for decades, the defiling of international law, and utter contempt for human rights and peaceful coexistence. They stated:

"We cannot celebrate the birthday of a state founded on terrorism, massacres and the dispossession of another people from their land. We cannot celebrate the birthday of a state that even now engages in ethnic cleansing, that violates international law, that is inflicting a monstrous collective punishment on the civilian population of Gaza and that continues to deny to Palestinians their human rights and national aspirations."

"We will celebrate when Arab and Jew live as equals in a peaceful Middle East," something impossible under Zionism.

A Final Comment

At its core, Zionism is fundamentally racist, extremist, undemocratic, and militant:

-- in espousing Jewish supremacy, exceptionalism, and uniqueness as God's "chosen people;"

-- in relying on occupation, oppression, violence and dispossession;

-- in justifying a Jewish ethnocracy based on structural inequalities;

-- in ruling by force, not coexistence;

-- in choosing confrontation over diplomacy and the rule of law; and

-- by denying Arabs and all others the same rights as Jews.

No ideology that destructive can endure. No regional peace and reconciliation is possible until it's repudiated.

http://www.rense.com/general88/lnd.htm


Regarding Stephen Lendman:


Stephen Lendman is an outstanding anti-racist, humanitarian Jewish American analyst, writer and a Research Associate of the Centre for Research on Globalization

https://sites.google.com/site/jewsagainstracistzionism/lendman-stephen-top-jewish-american-writer-slams-ethnic-cleansing-and-gross-abuse-of-palestinians

Dumpster Diver
7th April 2018, 15:57
You did the race-baiting, not me.

The topic of this thread is "Zionism Is Racism."

Right. Whatever floats your boat.

WantDisclosure
7th April 2018, 16:13
Right. Whatever floats your boat.

Very sarcastic and not acknowledging the truth.

Dumpster Diver
7th April 2018, 16:18
Very sarcastic and not acknowledging the truth.

Feisty today aren’t we?

Sarcastic...yes, it’s my MO. Today, I’m denying everything...

palooka's revenge
7th April 2018, 21:47
In defense of KT I find chilling parallels between Zionism and Nazism. In context of the dynamics of reincarnation, where else would it be better for Nazi essence to hide than in Israel?

I also see DD's point. So how 'bout a compromise? Racist cult anyone?

Dreamtimer
7th April 2018, 23:59
How and where do you draw the line between?

I’ll agree it’s a complex and difficult topic.

The Palestinian circumstance is very bad.

I don’t even talk about it w/my Orthodox friend. I feel like that’s where I become an outsider who doesn’t understand.

WantDisclosure
8th April 2018, 10:19
How and where do you draw the line between?
By talking about the difference.

Honestly I think this topic is the most important one I've learned about in the ten years I've been researching on the internet.

It is the most emotional one.

It was the most enlightening concept to learn.

It is so confusing because the term "Jew" has more than one definition. There is the reference to a people and to a religion.

The religion can be claimed by anyone and therein lies the problem.

WantDisclosure
8th April 2018, 11:34
Zionists abuse Jews as much as they abuse "Gentiles."



Regarding Stephen Lendman . . .

I am trying to remember what I learned on the Jeff Rense Program about abuse of the Jews by Zionists.

The term “Balfour Declaration” keeps coming to my mind but I’m fuzzy on the details.

I did a search and another Stephen Lendman article came up:




Britain’s 1917 Balfour Declaration

By Stephen Lendman
stephenlendman.org
10-30-17


November 2 marks its 100th anniversary, a deplorable action, the beginning of the end of historic Palestine.

UK Foreign Secretary Arthur Balfour’s declaration came in a 67-word letter to British Zionist Federation’s Lord Rothschild.

Accepted by the League of Nations on July 24, 1922, it stemmed from the mandate, giving Britain administrative control of Palestine.

Generations of political, military and cultural repression of its people followed, far worse after Israel’s so-called war of independence, stealing 78% of historic Palestine, the rest in June 1967.

Balfour’s call for establishing a nation for Jews (on stolen Palestinian land) was a high crime against humanity.

Endless conflict, occupation, dispossession, and repression, along with social and cultural fragmentation define conditions for beleaguered Palestinians - 100 years of suffering, no end of it in sight, the world community dismissive of their rights.

Balfour’s letter to Rothschild read as follows:

“I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of His Majesty’s Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet.

His Majesty’s Government view with favor the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavors to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.

I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation.”

Balfour acted without consulting Palestinians, reason enough for them to deplore Britain to this day, beginning the process of stealing their homeland, consigning them to future subjugation.

Former UK prime minister David Cameron urged PM Theresa May to commemorate the anniversary together with the Jewish community “in the most appropriate way,” without further elaboration.

Current UK Foreign Minister Boris Johnson defended his predecessor’s action, saying “I am proud of Britain’s part in creating Israel.” The declaration was “indispensable to the creation of a great nation.”

It’s been a curse for Palestinians - their land stolen, their rights denied. The myth of “a land without people for a people without land” was predominantly Arab with small numbers of Jews and Christians at the time.

Balfour duplicitously promised Palestinians respect for their rights, saying they’d be protected, free from foreign rule.

Palestinian leaders saw the ruse, wanting no part of it. They opposed further Jewish immigration to no avail, their wishes conflicting with imperial Britain’s plans.

In 1947-48, historian Ilan Pappe explained what he called the “urbicide of Palestine - attacking and ethnic cleansing the country’s major urban centers, slaughtering and displacing Palestinians, making way for Jewish occupation and development.

The Nakba killed or displaced about 800,000 Palestinians. Over 500 historic towns and villages were erased, along with urban neighborhoods in Tel-Aviv, Haifa, Jerusalem and other cities, private property destroyed or confiscated, woman raped, other atrocities committed.

David Ben-Gurion, Israel’s first prime minister, said during the Nakba “(e)very attack has to end with occupation, destruction and expulsion” - forcefully eliminating resistance.

Balfour and the British mandate made creating Israel and erasing Palestine possible - his declaration a document to live in infamy forever.

http://rense.com/general96/balfour.html

WantDisclosure
9th April 2018, 12:17
I did a search and another Stephen Lendman article came up . . .
I am having to review everything that was said years ago when I was first learning about the difference between Judaism and Zionism.

I've been reading the beginning of the Stephen Lendman article "Britain's 1917 Balfour Declaration" over and over again because I kept thinking, "what 'mandate'"?

I finally took the time to google it and a Wikipedia article came up:




2059

The British Mandate for Palestine, also known as the Mandate for Palestine or the Palestine Mandate, was a League of Nations mandate for the territory that had formerly constituted the Ottoman Empire sanjaks of Nablus, Acre, the Southern part of the Vilayet of Syria, the Southern portion of the Beirut Vilayet, and the ...

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjcsMrs-azaAhWDwYMKHW6MBmkQFggxMAI&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FBritis h_Mandate_for_Palestine_(legal_instrument)&usg=AOvVaw002WX7_azSGHtgcuFXBVXL

Stephen goes on to say “Balfour’s call for establishing a nation for Jews (on stolen Palestinian land) was a high crime against humanity.”

As I recall, the reason why I remember “Balfour” is that it had to do with World War II, Hitler, and the Jews.

Here is where the abuse of the Jews by Zionists comes in.

I have searched the rense.com site but I cannot find an article to post that summarizes the discussion I heard years ago about Hitler, the Jews, World War II and the Balfour Declaration.

But the gist of the discussion was that Hitler had proposed some plan to evacuate the Jews from Germany, but the Balfour Declaration stood in the way of it because the Zionists wanted the state of Israel.

WantDisclosure
9th April 2018, 12:33
By the way, in my opinion, God does not have a religion, and certainly does not have "a chosen people."

tarka the duck
9th April 2018, 13:22
But the gist of the discussion was that Hitler had proposed some plan to evacuate the Jews from Germany, but the Balfour Declaration stood in the way of it because the Zionists wanted the state of Israel.

I assume you're referring here to the Haavara Agreement/Transfer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/haavara
http://www.yadvashem.org/odot_pdf/Microsoft%20Word%20-%203231.pdf


On the website Republic Broadcasting dot org, there is posted ten hours of free audio files posted by John Stadtmiller of The National Intel Report on the topic of Zionism.


In case anyone is interested in Stadtmiller (who is the subject of the OP) people might like to know about his perspective of the world.

He's a patriot and darling of the militia movement, and was a speaker - alongside Holocaust deniers and anti semites such as Texe Marrs,
Ingrid Zundel and Frederick Toben at a American Free Press/Barnes review conference in 2006 (which was basically a hate-fest directed
primarily at - yes, you’ve guessed it - the Jews.)
http://www.americanfreepress.net/AFP_2006_conference.pdf

And of course, his work is featured widely sites such on St*rmfr*nt and V*nguard News.

Just so you know :shocked:

tarka the duck
9th April 2018, 13:32
In defense of KT I find chilling parallels between Zionism and Nazism.



I’d like to hear more about your thoughts on this … particularly bearing in mind that the European parliament includes “Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis” in its “Working Definition of Antisemitism”

https://european-forum-on-antisemitism.org/definition-of-antisemitism/english-english

WantDisclosure
9th April 2018, 13:37
David Icke does exhaustive research and then explains his findings in his own words. He is very articulate.

Here is a posting on rense.com of a David Icke newsletter:



The Zionist Elephant In The Room

The David Icke Newsletter


The Elephant In The Room...


2060


... BUT SEE IT AND YOU'RE 'RACIST'

Hello all ...

The political creed of Zionism has big ears and a long trunk and I think it's time that was pointed out. It also stampedes through our lives at every level and that needs to be said, too.

It has created a pincer-movement on the human mind by hijacking staggering amounts of political, corporate, banking and media power on one side and by using the fear of being called 'anti-Semitic' if you dare to state the bloody obvious.

They have been able to do this by equating in public perception that Zionism = Jewish people. It does not. Zionism is a political creed introduced by the House of Rothschild to advance the goals of the Illuminati families that are largely controlled by the Rothschilds.

When people think of Zionism they think of Jewish people. When they think of Israel they think of Jewish people. That's understandable given the propaganda, but it is seriously misleading and those instant connections need to be broken if we are going to understand what's going on here.

Zionism means Rothschild just as Israel means Rothschild. When we see the extraordinary number of Zionists in key positions around the world we are looking not at 'manipulating Jews', but manipulating Zionists representing the interests and demands of the Rothschilds.


2061

Significant numbers of Jewish people are not Zionists and oppose that appalling creed while many Zionists are not Jewish. These include the Christian Zionists and Obama's vice-president, Joe Biden, who told Israeli television 'I'm a Zionist'. Here's the clip if you can stand it ... If, as Biden rightly says, you don't have to be a Jew to be a Zionist, how can it be a racial rather than a political movement? It can't. It's just made to appear like that to manipulate public perception because opposing Zionism then becomes opposing Jewish people as a whole and the 'you're a racist' card can be played over and over.

Far from protecting and advancing the interests of the mass of Jewish people it has often been devastating for them and caused millions to be labelled unfairly by the actions of the Zionist elite. On the Jews Against Zionism website one feature highlights how Rothschild Zionism targeted Jews who had lived for generations in Palestine side-by-side with Arabs in peace and harmony:

'The religious Jews who by virtue of their faith, clearly contradicted Zionist nationalism, and who had lived peacefully with their Arab neighbors for generations, became unwillingly identified with the Zionist cause and their struggle with the Arabs.

They requested the United Nations that Jerusalem be designated as a defacto international city. They appealed to the diplomatic corps assigned to Jerusalem -- but to no avail. They were hence confronted with the choice of either becoming a part of the Zionist State, which diametrically opposed the interests of Jews as a religion, or abandoning the land of which their forefathers were the first Jewish settlers.

Let's get this straight. Zionism doesn't give a damn about Jewish people. To the Rothschilds and their Zionist gofers and thugs the Jewish people as a whole are merely cattle to be used and abused as necessary - just like the rest of the human population.

The networks of the House of Rothschild were behind Hitler and the rise of the Nazi Party in the Rothschild heartland of Germany where they had changed their name from Bauer in 18th century Frankfurt and launched the dynasty that was to control global finance.

After the war the Rothschilds used public sympathy for Jewish people targeted by the Nazis to press for a homeland in Palestine. This was the alleged reason for the founding of Zionism, but that is only part of it.


2062
Rothschild

As I show in my books, the campaign to impose a Rothschild fiefdom in Palestine goes back at least to the earlier part of the 19th century and probably long before. It was given a massive boost with the Balfour Declaration in 1917 when the British Foreign Secretary Arthur Balfour declared in a letter his government's support for a Jewish homeland in Palestine.

This letter was sent by Balfour, an inner-circle member of an elite secret society called the Round Table, to Baron (Walter) Rothschild who funded the Round Table.

Today, Rothschild Illuminati fronts like the Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, Bilderberg Group, Royal Institute of International Affairs, and others, still answer to the Round Table which string-pulls and coordinates from the shadows. This is why Zionists in government are invariably connected with these Rothschild-controlled organisations.

The Rothschilds funded the early settlers from Europe to relocate in post-war Palestine and they also funded and armed the terrorist groups, like Irgun, which bombed and terrorised Israel into existence in 1948, a campaign which forced 800,000 Palestinians to leave the land of their birth.

Israel is simply the State of Rothschild and how appropriate that they paid for the construction of the Israeli parliament building, the Knesset, and the Israel Supreme Court. The name Rothschild means Red-shield and it originates with the red shield 'Star of David' symbol (not a Jewish symbol before the Rothschilds) which they displayed on their house in Frankfurt ...


2063
... Seen it somewhere before ...?

The very flag of Israel tells you who owns it. There are many reasons why the Rothschilds and their allies wanted to hijack Palestine and one was to keep the Middle East in a state of disruption and turmoil from which a global war can eventually be triggered to usher in the New World Order of world government dictatorship.

The creation of Israel is a means not an end and the Rothschilds will be quite happy to leave the Jewish population to their fate if it suits them. After all, they've done it before.

The world's second biggest Zionist population is in the United States and given that both America and Israel are controlled by the Rothschild networks it is not hard to fathom why that slither of land in the Middle East receives around a third of all US overseas aid.

An average $3 billion a year is handed to the State of Rothschild as a result of decisions made by American administrations that are always, 'Republican' or 'Democrat', controlled by the Rothschilds. One hand of the network hands over the cash to another.

This explains why the United States never talks about the arsenal of nuclear weapons stockpiled by one of the world's most trigger-happy states. Israel refuses to discuss them and the American policy, recently reconfirmed by Obama, is never to ask or bring up the subject.

The last two US administrations are testament to the extent of Zionist (Rothschild) control of America and thus its foreign policy, not least with regard to Iraq, the former land of Sumer and Babylon, which according to some just happens to be part of the 'Greater Israel' that the Zionists seek to secure.

The 'Bush' government was the glove-puppet of the so-called neo-cons, or neoconservatives, whose only political philosophy in truth was the interests of Zionism. At the heart of the Rothschild-controlled neocon cabal were Richard Perle (Zionist), Paul Wolfowitz (Zionist), Dov Zakheim (Zionist), Douglas Feith (Zionist), John Bolton (Zionist), Lewis Libby (Zionist), the list goes on and on. These were the people who orchestrated the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq on behalf of the Rothschilds.


2064

Economic policy was dictated through the years of Reagan-Bush, Father Bush, Clinton and most of Boy Bush by Alan Greenspan (Zionist), chairman of the privately-owned US 'central bank', the Federal Reserve. Privately owned, that is, by the Rothschilds through a network of front people and organisations.

Greenspan introduced the policies of deregulation that culminated, as designed, in the free-for-all frenzy of greed by banks and financial markets in general that led to the crash in the last weeks of the Bush presidency. Greenspan resigned from the Fed before the consequences of his long-term game-plan exploded in lost homes, jobs and savings. He was replaced by Bernard Bernanke (Zionist).

Greenspan was enthusiastically supported in his deregulation through successive administrations by Treasury Secretaries in the Clinton years, Robert E. Rubin (Zionist) and Larry Summers (Zionist), and also by the President of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, the most powerful in the Fed cabal, Timothy Geithner (Zionist).

When Mr. Fake Change won the presidency amid the gathering financial crisis, caused by all of the above, and others, he appointed Geithner as his Treasury Secretary and Summers as head of the White House Economic Council. Both are protégés of Robert Rubin who resigned from Citigroup earlier this year for his role in 'advising' it to the brink of collapse.

Obama's Budget Director is Peter Orszag (Zionist) who headed the company that advised the Icelandic Central Bank in the prelude to the crash of Iceland's financial system. This has led to Iceland being fast-tracked into the Rothschild-created European Union to 'save' its economy. Orszag also advised the Russian Treasury when state-owned assets and resources were handed to Zionist oligarchs, including Roman Abramovich who is famous in the UK as the owner of Chelsea Football Club.

Add to all this the fact that the World Bank is headed by Robert Zoellick (Zionist), who replaced Paul Wolfowitz (Zionist), and that the International Monetary Fund, or IMF, is run by Dominique Strauss-Kahn (Zionist).

Anyone still doubt that the Rothschild network controls global finance and therefore the lives and choices of virtually every man, woman and child on the planet?

The Rothschilds are at the heart of the Obama White House in the form of Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel (Zionist) and Chief White House Advisor David Axelrod (Zionist). Emanuel has served in the Israeli army and his father was an operative with the Rothschild terrorist group, Irgun, as it bombed Israel into being. This included the bombing of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem in 1946 that killed 91 people.


2065

Rahm Emanuel also worked closely Robert E. Rubin (Zionist) during the Clinton years to impose NAFTA, the North American Free Trade Agreement, which was designed from the start to be a stepping-stone to a North American, and eventually an American Union, along the lines of the EU. The Zionist world is very small indeed.

David Axelrod ran Obama's election campaigns and now oversees his every word slavishly read from his teleprompter screens. There is little that Obama says that his Zionist handlers don't tell him or give him to say.

They have also ensured that US policy for Iran and the Persian Gulf is headed by Dennis Ross (Zionist) who has served Israeli interests in successive American administrations. There will not be a cigarette paper behind the scenes between him and that trio of tyranny, Netanyahu, Lieberman, Barak, the prime minister, foreign minister and defence minister of Israel. Rothschild stooges, in other words.

Zionist Mandelson works for the pyramid

The most influential figure by far in the current British government is Peter Mandelson (Zionist) who continues to amass more titles and powers from the beleaguered Prime Minister Gordon Brown. Mandelson is an insider operative for the Rothschilds and has frequently accepted hospitality from his close friend and associate, Nathaniel Rothschild. This week Mandelson called for the UK to join the (Rothschild) single European currency.

Meanwhile, the hapless and hopeless Gordon Brown did as he was told and appointed Ivan Lewis (Zionist) to be minister of state with responsibility for, wait for it ... British policy on the Middle East. Lewis, vice-chair of the Labour Friends of Israel, was an outspoken supporter of Israel's slaughter of the innocent in Gaza this year. Lewis said of his new job:

'My responsibility for the Middle East peace process is particularly poignant. I have never hidden my pride at being Jewish or my support for the State of Israel.'

What chance do the Palestinians have of fairness and justice? None.

In France, as I mentioned last week, President Sarkozy (Zionist) is a long-time asset of Mossad, the Rothschild enforcement agency masquerading as the intelligence agency of Israel. Mossad has been implicated in terror attacks and other horrors all over the world because it represents the Rothschild global agenda and not the people of Israel.


2066

Look also at the Zionist (Rothschild) control of the entertainment and media industry in the form of people like Fox News President Peter Chernin (Zionist); Paramount Pictures Chairman Brad Grey (Zionist); Walt Disney CEO Robert Igor (Zionist); Sony Pictures Chairman Michael Lynton (Zionist); Warner Brothers Chairman Barry Meyer (Zionist); CBS CEO Leslie Moonves (Zionist); MGM Chairman Harry Sloan (Zionist); and NBC/Universal Studios CEO Jeff Zucker (Zionist).


2067

The Rothschilds control America

The Los Angeles Times columnist Joel Stein (Zionist) wrote an article proclaiming that Americans who don't think Jews (Zionists) control Hollywood are just plain 'dumb'. Stein went on:

'The Jews are so dominant. I had to scour the trades to come up with six Gentiles in high positions at entertainment companies. But lo and behold, even one of that six, AMC President Charles Collier, turned out to be a Jew! ... As a proud Jew, I want America to know of our accomplishment. Yes, we control Hollywood.'

And not only Hollywood. Shahar Ilan, a daily features editor with the leading Israeli newspaper, Ha'aretz, wrote: 'The Jews do control the American media. This is very clear, and claiming otherwise is an insult to common knowledge'. Zionists have truly massive influence over the news media with the likes of Rupert Murdoch (Zionist) with his vast television and newspaper empire, and the Sulzberger family (Zionists) who own the New York Times. The list is enormous across television, radio, newspapers and the Internet.

When you look at the number of Zionists in key positions of power and control in politics, banking, corporations, news media, Hollywood and so on, it is sobering to think that Jewish people are just 1.7% of the American population and many of those won't be Zionists.

What if the same situation happened with Arab people or Chinese, Irish or even black Americans? There would be an outcry and questions asked about how one group can have so much influence over the lives of a whole nation, indeed many nations. And I stress again that, in the end, this control system leads to the Rothschilds and the spider they represent at the centre of the web.


2068

B'nai Brith Front Man Harry Abrams

The Rothschilds established B'nai B'rith in 1843 to prevent exposure of the global Zionist networks. The ' BB' is an offshoot of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry and operates worldwide to brand as 'anti-Semitic' anyone who exposes the Rothschild operation.

In 1913, B'nai B'rith launched an organisation specifically to target and defame researchers, in fact anyone, who questions, criticises or exposes Israel and the ever-gathering Zionist influence across the world. With typical irony they called it the Anti-Defamation League, better known as the ADL, and claimed it was there to protect Jewish people. As Plato said: 'This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs; when he first appears he is a protector'.

The ADL is, in fact, a sub-agency of the Israeli (Rothschild) centre for covert operations, the Mossad, which, according to a former agent, has the motto: 'By way of deception, thou shalt do war'. If that isn't the motto, it should be. The ADL is behind the introduction of 'hate laws' which are aimed at silencing dissent against Zionism or Israel. The Jewish academic, Noam Chomsky, said this of the ADL in his book, Necessary Illusions:

'The ADL has virtually abandoned its earlier role as a civil rights organization, becoming "one of the main pillars" of Israeli propaganda in the U.S., as the Israeli press casually describes it, engaged in surveillance, blacklisting, compilation of FBI-style files circulated to adherents for the purpose of defamation, angry public responses to criticism of Israeli actions, and so on.

These efforts, buttressed by insinuations of anti-Semitism or direct accusations, are intended to deflect or undermine opposition to Israeli policies, including Israel's refusal, with U.S. support, to move towards a general political settlement.'

The American rabbi, Michael Lerner, agrees:

'The ADL lost most of it credibility in my eyes as a civil rights organization when it began to identify criticisms of Israel with anti-Semitism, still more when it failed to defend me when I was receiving threats to my life from right-wing Jewish groups because of my critique of Israeli policy toward Palestinians (it said that these were not threats that came from my being Jewish, so therefore they were not within their area of concern).'

Firstly, the ADL has never been a civil rights organisation. Its very purpose has been to take them away. Secondly, it is not there to defend anyone, Jewish or otherwise. It's there to represent the sadistic interests of the House of Rothschild and the wider Illuminati.


2069


It is so important that people are aware of this background to Zionism because at the moment it is basically speeding along unchallenged through lack of awareness and fear of being dubbed 'racist'.

Well, I couldn't care less what people say about me with regard to this or anything else. I want to uncover the truth, not win a popularity contest.

Please, let's circulate this information as effectively as we can and bring it from the shadows to public attention. We must refuse to be intimidated into silence over this.

Martin Luther King said: '... we must straighten our backs and work for our freedom. A man can't ride you unless your back is bent.'

It is time to stand up, in every sense.

http://www.rense.com/general86/zelephant.htm

GraceKB
9th April 2018, 13:42
By the way, in my opinion, God does not have a religion, and certainly does not have "a chosen people."

I haven't read the entire thread and it may have already been mentioned but there are also Christian Zionists.

Sometimes it helps to broaden your sources and read what people have to say that you don't agree with so you get a more complete picture.

GraceKB
9th April 2018, 14:26
No, I'm not.

Jews are associated with Judaism.

Zionists are associated with the belief in a superior race.

The word "cult" will only muddy the waters and take the thread off-topic.

I did not know about Judaism vs. Zionism until I listened to Jeff Rense's program, where he had Jews as guests who explained this to the listening audience.

Zionists abuse Jews as much as they abuse "Gentiles."

This is a complex research topic.

It is complex and I probably muddied the water further by mentioning Christian Zionists, lol.

When you use Jeff Rense as a source for a discussion on Zionism keep in mind that Rense promotes David Duke who is both anti Semitic and racist.

Emil El Zapato
10th April 2018, 00:19
KT has obviously practiced her cover...hate is hate is hate. Amen. Period. Finis. The End. Done deal. End of Story. télos. Jiéshù.

Honestly, KT, after reading your sources my interest in alternative information is almost dead. If you believe the stuff you post, who is to say I am any closer to the truth with even a developed sense of critical reasoning. I was watching youtube the other night and I felt like puking watching the likes of Linda Moulton Howe whom I have always considered a very professional researcher but if any of it is obviousl bullsh*t, why not all of it.

Dumpster Diver
10th April 2018, 00:22
By the way, in my opinion, God does not have a religion, and certainly does not have "a chosen people."

Which God are we talking about? The “God” Yahweh is an ET, not the source creator. Most likely a “pre-adamite” as David Wilcock would call him, He/she/it “recruited” the “Jews” to be his chosen people to help drive this timeline. The Bible was written for them, and then repurposed for “Christians”. Those “Jews” are mostly Ashkenazi who numbered only some 300-500 before 1000AD, but now comprise some 80% of overall “Jews” worldwide. The Ashkenazi are a recruiting pool for the high caste Luciferians especially since their average IQ is some 15-20 pts higher than the general population pool.

palooka's revenge
10th April 2018, 04:33
Originally Posted by palooka's revenge View Post
In defense of KT I find chilling parallels between Zionism and Nazism.



I’d like to hear more about your thoughts on this … particularly bearing in mind that the European parliament includes “Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis” in its “Working Definition of Antisemitism”

https://european-forum-on-antisemitism.org/definition-of-antisemitism/english-english

A Story of a Bicycle, the Israeli Army and the Wehrmacht (https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-a-story-of-a-bicycle-the-israeli-army-and-the-wehrmacht-1.5425218)



The process undergone by German soldiers who served among populations they saw as inferior is exactly the same process undergone by Israeli soldiers in the territories regarding the Palestinians. The difference between events in the German-occupied territories and events in the Israel-occupied territories is not found in the dehumanization process that dulls thought. In that theres no difference. The difference is in the legitimacy the system bestows on the implementation of the conclusions of this dehumanization, with no risk of prosecution.

As for the European parliament, no comment! Except to say, Haaretz is an Israeli news agency and the writer is a Holocaust historian at Hebrew University. Ironically 20% of Haaretz is owned by German M Dumont Schauberg, son of
Kurt Neven DuMont, a member of the Nazi party, while his publishing house promoted Nazi ideology.

WantDisclosure
10th April 2018, 10:12
Here are two key sentences:



Significant numbers of Jewish people are not Zionists and oppose that appalling creed while many Zionists are not Jewish. These include the Christian Zionists and Obama's vice-president, Joe Biden, who told Israeli television 'I'm a Zionist'.

http://www.rense.com/general86/zelephant.htm

GraceKB
10th April 2018, 12:40
Keep Trying-

Are you comfortable with Trump's support of Israel?

WantDisclosure
10th April 2018, 15:50
Here are two key sentences . . .

Here is another to-the-point quote:


Let's get this straight. Zionism doesn't give a damn about Jewish people. To the Rothschilds and their Zionist gofers and thugs the Jewish people as a whole are merely cattle to be used and abused as necessary - just like the rest of the human population.

http://www.rense.com/general86/zelephant.htm

Aragorn
10th April 2018, 16:26
If you keep on going back to the same sources over and over again for your research, then you are inevitably also always going to come across the same rhetoric, and then instead of learning something valuable from what you call your research, you then only end up feeding your own confirmation bias.

As it just so happens to be, I don't particularly like what the state of Israel is doing to the Palestinians any more than you do — not to mention the preposterous idea that some deity would have given the Israelis the right to occupy said land — but it should already have become crystal clear to you by now that Jeff Rense is merely yet another biased talking head, and one with some questionable connections at that.

But then again, you seem to like talking heads, and as soon as someone either doesn't agree with your sources or mentions a source that you yourself don't like for whatever reason, you come back at them with a terse knee-jerk defense — sometimes as short as a one-liner — and you stop thanking their posts. And sometimes you simply don't come back with any recourse at all, but then instead you simply ignore them and pretend that they never said anything.

You called me a brick wall, but the truth is that I am only but a mirror to other people's mindsets and intentions, and that everything pejorative that others have already called me before has so far only ever proven merely a reflection of themselves.

The truth is the truth, but that doesn't mean that it is guaranteed to be pleasant — especially not when it's a truth about yourself that you've been denying all along. And that's why looking for the truth is not the same thing as looking for affirmation. Can you tell the difference?



:ht: :getcoat:

GraceKB
10th April 2018, 19:05
I don't understand why Keep Trying won't answer direct questions like I asked in post #26.

Emil El Zapato
10th April 2018, 19:40
I'll speculate on that...

There isn't enough time to post up propaganda and actually dialogue with anyone. I don't like to be unpleasant to people that are really looking and not spreading...but anywho.

Octopus Garden
10th April 2018, 20:06
Narrow angle focus on Zion, segues easily in the mind of many people as a "problem with the Jews." And although sincere people see a problem with the U.S being too close to Israel's hard right, there are plenty of people out there, like Jeff Rense, who are zealots and regard every and all problems through this lens.

WantDisclosure
10th April 2018, 20:37
Narrow angle focus on Zion, segues easily in the mind of many people as a "problem with the Jews."
That's why it's imperative that the subject be discussed openly and thoroughly.

Octopus Garden
10th April 2018, 20:49
Keep Trying,

It's really tough to do. There are too many bigots and simpletons muddying the waters. But, I do agree, we need to talk about it.

WantDisclosure
10th April 2018, 21:03
Keep Trying,

It's really tough to do. There are too many bigots and simpletons muddying the waters. But, I do agree, we need to talk about it.

The thing is, in places in Europe you can go to jail for questioning the Holocaust, which is a part of the discussion, but the taboo is one of the ways Zionists shut people up.

This is a very important topic.

Octopus Garden
10th April 2018, 21:18
On the other hand, Holocaust denial is the way neo-Nazis can gain leverage in the area of public opinion. I get what you are saying and appreciate the spirit that motivates your ideas, but I think, on balance, Holocaust denial is so poisonous at its core and so animated by loathesome mean spirited imbeciles, it's correct to deal with the disseminators of it in this way. Curtail, end their ability to lie.

GraceKB
10th April 2018, 21:41
That's why it's imperative that the subject be discussed openly and thoroughly.

How can you say that when you don't discuss?

Wind
10th April 2018, 23:18
I think it's very important to criticize Zionism and even the horrendous actions perpetrated by the government of Israel, but that's not the same thing as blaming every jew for the problems of the world. Or saying that there wasn't a holocaust, because there was! Things are not so black and white.

Emil El Zapato
10th April 2018, 23:24
I think it's very important to criticize Zionism and even the horrendous actions perpetrated by the government of Israel, but that's not the same thing as blaming every jew for the problems of the world. Or saying that there wasn't a holocaust, because there was! Things are not so black and white.

That's the understatement of the 20th century. Oozing hate is ugly, very ugly...hell, even mindless hate is ugly.

GraceKB
11th April 2018, 00:39
KT has obviously practiced her cover...hate is hate is hate. Amen. Period. Finis. The End. Done deal. End of Story. télos. Jiéshù.

Honestly, KT, after reading your sources my interest in alternative information is almost dead. If you believe the stuff you post, who is to say I am any closer to the truth with even a developed sense of critical reasoning. I was watching youtube the other night and I felt like puking watching the likes of Linda Moulton Howe whom I have always considered a very professional researcher but if any of it is obviousl bullsh*t, why not all of it.

What did LMH say?

Emil El Zapato
11th April 2018, 01:00
What did LMH say?

She was talking about her usual stuff. Credible inside sources. But she's starting with the Greer thing, "I'm just a humble..."...Some of her stuff was starting to stretch credulity...Secret Space Program, etc...

GraceKB
11th April 2018, 01:16
She was talking about her usual stuff. Credible inside sources. But she's starting with the Greer thing, "I'm just a humble..."...Some of her stuff was starting to stretch credulity...Secret Space Program, etc...

Lol, the poor country doctor from wherever ? I think I know what you mean, it does get frustrating trying to wade through the hype.

Emil El Zapato
11th April 2018, 01:39
Lol, the poor country doctor from wherever ? I think I know what you mean, it does get frustrating trying to wade through the hype.

yeah, that's it. But LMH has been around for a good while and seemingly with a high level of integrity. It wasn't so much her, it was just the platform I think. It's all part of the big picture.

GraceKB
11th April 2018, 01:48
yeah, that's it. But LMH has been around for a good while and seemingly with a high level of integrity. It wasn't so much her, it was just the platform I think. It's all part of the big picture.

She has been around for a long time. She's 70 something and still working...that alone earns respect from me. I don't agree with all her conclusions but I think she's sincere and honest unlike many others in the UFO field. She did an interesting show with Grant Cameron the other day.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Bvvt4m1jRY

Emil El Zapato
11th April 2018, 01:58
yeah, I like Cameron, too

modwiz
11th April 2018, 11:21
https://www.minds.com/fs/v1/thumbnail/830592132153778176

WantDisclosure
11th April 2018, 12:19
On the other hand, Holocaust denial is the way neo-Nazis can gain leverage in the area of public opinion. I get what you are saying and appreciate the spirit that motivates your ideas, but I think, on balance, Holocaust denial is so poisonous at its core and so animated by loathesome mean spirited imbeciles, it's correct to deal with the disseminators of it in this way. Curtail, end their ability to lie.

Actually "Holocaust denial" is a pejorative term much like "conspiracy theorist" is.

There are very good, thoughtful, responsible, loving human beings who have done investigation into what actually happened to the Jews and others in labor camps.

They are not neo-Nazis.

Aragorn
11th April 2018, 12:46
Actually "Holocaust denial" is a pejorative term much like "conspiracy theorist" is.

No, it's not. It is an officially accepted term, and it cannot be more semantically correct than it already is.

tarka the duck
11th April 2018, 13:51
Actually "Holocaust denial" is a pejorative term much like "conspiracy theorist" is.

The term "Holocaust Denial" is is a neutral term that is used to describe the actions of people who choose to deny the Holocaust. Simples.



There are very good, thoughtful, responsible, loving human beings who have done investigation into what actually happened to the Jews and others in labor camps.


And here's a list of some of those very good, thoughtful, responsible, loving human beings:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Historians_of_the_Holocaust

tarka the duck
11th April 2018, 14:30
@ palooka's revenge:

A Story of a Bicycle, the Israeli Army and the Wehrmacht (https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-a-story-of-a-bicycle-the-israeli-army-and-the-wehrmacht-1.5425218)

I'm not understanding your point here - sorry :confused:

This article by Daniel Blatman (great historian & writer BTW) deals with the issues around dehumanisation
of the enemy during war - reminiscent of Arendt's "banality of evil". He draws a parallel between the
meaningless murder of a French man by a German solider for his bicycle and the callous destruction by
an Israeli policeman of a bicycle belonging to a Palestinian girl. The common thread was the the dehumanisation
of the victim - the "Lucifer Effect" (Zimbardo) and the disregard for common laws of acceptable behaviour.

But Blatman is clear to point out that the difference between the actions of a Nazi soldier and the Israeli
policeman is that one holds a risk of prosecution whereas the other was a completely permissible act that
would not entail any retribution. He is warning that although there is no legitimacy for such violence in Israel
as the law stands now, but he's concerned that things could deteriorate if the policy of the current government
of Israel to install terror continues.

How does that cause you to draw a parallel between Nazism and Zionism?



As for the European parliament, no comment!

What do you think about the points made in the report "Working Definitions of Antisemitism"?




Ironically 20% of Haaretz is owned by German M Dumont Schauberg,

Why is that ironic?


son of Kurt Neven DuMont, a member of the Nazi party, while his publishing house promoted Nazi ideology.

As I'm sure you know, under the Nazi regime, there was no such thing as a free press. You either published Nazi propaganda
or you were shut down. Whether Kurt was a member of the Nazi party through ideology or necessity, I have no idea.
https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3292189,00.html

Is this your logic?
a) there is a German man who has part ownership of an Israel newspaper
b) a member of his family was a member of the Nazi party
c) Haaretz is therefore promoting Nazism

The Russian, Leonid Nevzlin, also owns 20% of Haaretz. Is that also somehow suspicious?

tarka the duck
11th April 2018, 14:39
That's why it's imperative that the subject be discussed openly and thoroughly.

Oh that made me laugh! :congratulations:

palooka's revenge
11th April 2018, 19:00
...... How does that cause you to draw a parallel between Nazism and Zionism?

simple! because, in my book, genocide is a form of dehumanization. Both are guilty. Its just that the zionists are going about it a whole lot slower and a whole lot more disguised. In part, this is made more possible due to the disgusting dynamics of antisemitism which is mostly a big fat guilt trip on steroids that way too many have bought in to!!



What do you think about the points made in the report "Working Definitions of Antisemitism"?

see last sentence above.


Why is that ironic?

because blatman and haaretz appear to me to stand for humanity. can't say the same for the nazis...


Is this your logic?
a) there is a German man who has part ownership of an Israel newspaper
b) a member of his family was a member of the Nazi party
c) Haaretz is therefore promoting Nazism

hardley!


The Russian, Leonid Nevzlin, also owns 20% of Haaretz. Is that also somehow suspicious?

negative. not to me anyway. and, btw, i don't equate irony to suspicion...

thank you for your questions. i realize you may not agree with me but i hope you find i've answered directly.

Emil El Zapato
12th April 2018, 00:56
Zionists, if they exist in the form and fashion which is being presented here are a direct result of original 'bad'. Millenia of being treated as 'other' is a serious misstep according to the laws of Pathics. They have been removed from their place, displaced away from their source against their will and because of the loss have been subjected to a resultant loss of resources and a consequential loss of balance (even a balance that is reflective of creation). And most deleterious their contribution to the diversity of humankind challenged with genocide, All very 'bad' conditions that can only lead to a 'disastrous' outcome for the whole of humanity.

Those that feel no empathy given these circumstances should expect no different result. This is really obvious to anyone that will use their head for something other than a hatrack.

tarka the duck
15th April 2018, 13:11
In part, this is made more possible due to the disgusting dynamics of antisemitism which is mostly a big fat guilt trip on steroids that way too many have bought in to!!

To clarify: am I right in thinking that you don’t believe that antisemitism exists? That you think Jews have fabricated their own oppression for personal gain?



thank you for your questions. i realize you may not agree with me but i hope you find i've answered directly.

And thank you for your response :)

One thing you missed though: Could you please explain the significance - for you - of the ownership of Ha'aretz if my deduction was incorrect.

tarka the duck
15th April 2018, 13:20
In defense of KT I find chilling parallels between Zionism and Nazism.

It is perfectly possible to have a discussion about the issue of Israel’s self-determination
without entering the territory of anti-Semitism.

The line between criticism of Israel, anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism are - like Israel’s borders -
disputed. But one doesn’t have to be a rocket scientist to know how to criticise the actions of
a right-wing extremist government that is guilty of treating a group of people - in this case,
the Palestinians - appallingly, without resorting to the propaganda of poisonous, inciteful
rhetoric. The moment you do that, you’ve constructed a barrier to further dialogue.

And that barrier increases in size the moment you mention the Nazis or Hitler in this context:
all that does is deliberately causes pain, inflaming wounds that have not yet healed in a bid
to win argumentative points. The vast majority of Jews in the world have relatives who were killed
in the Holocaust: for them, this is not some abstract talking point or rhetorical crutch.

You are using a strategy that’s known as “Holocaust Inversion”: comparing the actions of Israel
to Nazi Germany isn’t only deliberately hurtful, it’s factually inaccurate. Choosing to link Zionism
to the Nazi party when there are so many far more appropriate historical and contemporary
comparators shows a reluctance to engage in a rational and civil interchange.

To pretend an equivalence does two things: it exaggerates Israel’s guilt grotesquely, while
at the same time, absolving the Nazis of their crimes of attempting ethnic annihilation on an
industrial scale. Your claim is based on false moral equivalence: you are saying that there
is no difference between two greatly dissimilar actions.

What Israel has done/is doing to the Palestinians does not remotely resemble what the Nazis
did to Jews and others. The scale and purpose are completely different, in ways so glaring
that they really shouldn’t have to spelt out. If the Israelis treated Palestinians in the way that
they were treated by the Nazis, two thirds of the Palestinian population would have been
murdered by now.
Between 1965 and 2013, there have been 21,500 casualties in the Israeli Palestinian conflict.
In 1941, up to 20,000 people a day were murdered at Auschwitz alone.

There are no gas chambers, no mobile killing units, no crematoria, no death squads, no lime pits,
no massacre sites such as Babi Yar, no slave labour camps and concentration camps, no suppression
of religious freedom, and no campaigns to hunt down and eliminate particular ethnic, religious
and social groups.

Such a demonisation of Israel - while ignoring genocide and mass killings that are happening
in the world right now (think Myanmar, Mali, Somalia, Sudan, Iraq, Syria, CAR, Democratic
Republic of Congo, Yemen …) could be an indication of deep seated bigotry.
Which other countries with appalling human rights have their very existence questioned?

Emil El Zapato
15th April 2018, 13:25
It is perfectly possible to have a discussion about the issue of Israel’s self-determination
without entering the territory of anti-Semitism.

The line between criticism of Israel, anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism are - like Israel’s borders -
disputed. But one doesn’t have to be a rocket scientist to know how to criticise the actions of
a right-wing extremist government that is guilty of treating a group of people - in this case,
the Palestinians - appallingly, without resorting to the propaganda of poisonous, inciteful
rhetoric. The moment you do that, you’ve constructed a barrier to further dialogue.

And that barrier increases in size the moment you mention the Nazis or Hitler in this context:
all that does is deliberately causes pain, inflaming wounds that have not yet healed in a bid
to win argumentative points. The vast majority of Jews in the world have relatives who were killed
in the Holocaust: for them, this is not some abstract talking point or rhetorical crutch.

You are using a strategy that’s known as “Holocaust Inversion”: comparing the actions of Israel
to Nazi Germany isn’t only deliberately hurtful, it’s factually inaccurate. Choosing to link Zionism
to the Nazi party when there are so many far more appropriate historical and contemporary
comparators shows a reluctance to engage in a rational and civil interchange.

To pretend an equivalence does two things: it exaggerates Israel’s guilt grotesquely, while
at the same time, absolving the Nazis of their crimes of attempting ethnic annihilation on an
industrial scale. Your claim is based on false moral equivalence: you are saying that there
is no difference between two greatly dissimilar actions.

What Israel has done/is doing to the Palestinians does not remotely resemble what the Nazis
did to Jews and others. The scale and purpose are completely different, in ways so glaring
that they really shouldn’t have to spelt out. If the Israelis treated Palestinians in the way that
they were treated by the Nazis, two thirds of the Palestinian population would have been
murdered by now.
Between 1965 and 2013, there have been 21,500 casualties in the Israeli Palestinian conflict.
In 1941, up to 20,000 people a day were murdered at Auschwitz alone.

There are no gas chambers, no mobile killing units, no crematoria, no death squads, no lime pits,
no massacre sites such as Babi Yar, no slave labour camps and concentration camps, no suppression
of religious freedom, and no campaigns to hunt down and eliminate particular ethnic, religious
and social groups.

Such a demonisation of Israel - while ignoring genocide and mass killings that are happening
in the world right now (think Myanmar, Mali, Somalia, Sudan, Iraq, Syria, CAR, Democratic
Republic of Congo, Yemen …) could be an indication of deep seated bigotry.
Which other countries with appalling human rights have their very existence questioned?

Very well stated...and a nice result would be for everyone to actually 'see' it.

tarka the duck
15th April 2018, 13:37
Very well stated...and a nice result would be for everyone to actually 'see' it.

Thank you, NAP :smile2: I was a bit worried about my tone (stroppy :blsh:), and I know that my thoughts on this topic
aren't always welcome in the 'alt community' ... so I appreciate your support. K

Emil El Zapato
15th April 2018, 13:46
Thank you, NAP :smile2: I was a bit worried about my tone (stroppy :blsh:), and I know that my thoughts on this topic
aren't always welcome in the 'alt community' ... so I appreciate your support. K

Well, truth is truth...and you seeith the truth...I, for one, am not prepared to tug on Superman's cape...whatever that's supposed to mean... :)

enjoy being
15th April 2018, 14:02
I'd also prefer to just keep the atrocious behaviours of each, separate to each other and not cloud the points that both are performing human rights violations.

One of the more saddening techniques I recall a news article over was how the Israelis were performing psychological warefare in the form of regularly spraying Palestinian schools down with water trucks filled with effluent.

Dreamtimer
19th April 2018, 08:02
How can you say that when you don't discuss?

I haven't gotten an answer to that question either. We're supposed to explore these ideas but discussion is not welcome. Keep Trying has made it clear she is not here for discussion. She does not connect with or communicate with members beyond threads. She has no desire to and has made this very clear.

I'm not sure how that's supposed to set up an atmosphere for sharing these ideas and coming to conclusions. And she likes to try to tell us how to run the forum as well. But there is no effort to make real relationships.

It's strange, to me.

One-sided discussions are not discussions at all.

Aragorn
19th April 2018, 12:09
That's why it's imperative that the subject be discussed openly and thoroughly.

How can you say that when you don't discuss?

I haven't gotten an answer to that question either.

Ditto.


We're supposed to explore these ideas but discussion is not welcome. Keep Trying has made it clear she is not here for discussion. She does not connect with or communicate with members beyond threads. She has no desire to and has made this very clear.

Then perhaps KeepTrying ought to have a better look around, because The One Truth is supposed to be a community of people who wish to make a difference in the world, and this community just happens to be rooted in a discussion forum.

Discovering the various truths that have been kept from us or have been twisted and spun to fit some imperialist political agenda is only part of it all. One does need the truth as a foundation for building the future, but it's this future which is important, not the events from a past that we cannot change. The arrow of time points forward, and we are responsible for what we leave behind when our time is up.


I'm not sure how that's supposed to set up an atmosphere for sharing these ideas and coming to conclusions. And she likes to try to tell us how to run the forum as well. But there is no effort to make real relationships.

I too have already asked KeepTrying what she's here for — more than once, even — if she's not willing to look at the evidence that is presented to her, and if she's not willing to hear out anyone who doesn't agree with either her own opinions or those of the talking heads she's championing. I have asked her that several times, and I have presented her with subtle and not-so-subtle hints. But to this date, I have yet to receive any kind of response.

Apparently KeepTrying thinks that it's perfectly alright to ignore — and in my case, even insult — the staff of the very forum she's a member of. And what is even stranger is that she should know from prior experience that things simply don't work that way, because she has tried the same thing over at Project Avalon, and she was banned from there for that very same reason.

So now KeepTrying has the choice: she can continue to ignore my posts, this one included, or she can abandon her antisocial fingers-in-the-ears passive-aggressive demeanor. But something's got to give, and my patience is starting to wear thin. The One Truth is not a billboard for anybody's personal propaganda, and ostracizing oneself by ignoring others isn't exactly how one builds a community, not to mention that it's also highly disrespectful toward the staff members who offer, run and maintain the very discussion platform itself.

It is a host's moral duty to make guests feel comfortable, but it is the guest's moral duty to abide by the rules of the host's house. And if the guest doesn't like either the host or their house, then the guest should find somewhere else to stay. It's that easy.

WantDisclosure
20th April 2018, 01:38
There is a website called Zionist Report:


Why Zionist Report?

We are a news site that questions the prerogative of the Zionist movement, and how it encompasses geopolitics and affairs from the bottom to the very top of society. What we are here to do is to make you think and expose the truth to you.

We are here to have you look at these events in a historical context. We encourage you to have positive dialogue and debate with fellow viewers.

Connect the dots and you will see nothing is as it seems.

https://zionistreport.com/why-zionist-report/