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Dumpster Diver
5th April 2018, 00:12
Ok, I’m building a library of alt-world books and I wanted to start a thread of the books TOT folks think are “must have”. As I’m kind of a newbie, I thought I’d throw it open to what books you folks think I need to have.

Dreamtimer
5th April 2018, 02:00
I haven't gotten it yet, but there's a really interesting one called Giza Template (http://www.thegizatemplate.com) by Edward Nightingale. I was thinking about getting it for my Dad.


Edward Nightingale writes for the layperson as well as the adept. His books are written from the point of view of ancient architects, astronomers, and mathematicians faced with a daunting task. They were charged with constructing a repository of scientific data and encoding it within the architectural design. The design had to withstand both natural and man-made cataclysmic events for more than 600 generations into the future. Based on his hypothesis, the author presents a compelling case. He outlines precisely the geometric, mathematical model that the original architects used to design the Giza Plateau.

Here's a piece Edward wrote (http://grahamhancock.com/nightingalee3/) for Graham Hancock's site. It has illustrations in it.

That's the first one that pops into my head.

(He just released the second book on this topic so there are two books available now. He interviewed with Jimmy Church (https://jimmychurchradio.com/ed-nightingale-on-fade-to-black/)).

Dreamtimer
5th April 2018, 02:52
I found some comments by a math guy (https://quintessentia.wordpress.com):


Jocelyn Godwin, in Harmonies of Heaven and Earth, states “Albert von Thimus (1806-1878), a polymathic researcher into ancient harmonic theory, …” called Plato’s Lambda (from Iamblichus) the Lambdoma. “Thimus developed the Lambdoma into a square diagram, which he called the ‘Pythagorean Table’ … Both von Thimus and his spiritual heir, Hans Kayser, believed that this was the fundamental diagram of the lost ancient science of Harmonics, hinted at by Plato … as the culmination of all learning, but never revealed publicly.


What Edward has done is to demonstrate von Thimus to be correct, and has opened the way to further discovery on the Great Pyramid itself. Laird Scranton reminds us of the Hermetic axiom, “As above, so below. As within, so without.” The Great Pyramid is as Manly P. Hall stated a scale model of both the microcosm and the macrocosm. The precession of the equinoxes for earth is an analog for the precession of the electron in hydrogen. Herodotus reported that the Great Pyramid was a “wonder of physics.”

Aianawa
5th April 2018, 04:05
Yet to read it, We the Skythians and the precursor, here > Beaumont > https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/8722-We-The-Skythians

The One
5th April 2018, 05:29
There are also some good books in here https://jandeane81.com/forumdisplay.php/57-Literature

Dreamtimer
5th April 2018, 18:40
In the interview with Jimmy Church at 1:16 hr. point Ed talks about Ophiucus.;):eyebrows:

NotAPretender
5th April 2018, 19:59
Ok, I’m building a library of alt-world books and I wanted to start a thread of the books TOT folks think are “must have”. As I’m kind of a newbie, I thought I’d throw it open to what books you folks think I need to have.

Ok, Mr Dumpster, after some thought, I came to the ONE book that YOU should absolutely have...Drum roll please!

hmm, I can't think of the name of it, oh yeah...The Urantia Book

modwiz
5th April 2018, 21:36
Ok, Mr Dumpster, after some thought, I came to the ONE book that YOU should absolutely have...Drum roll please!

hmm, I can't think of the name of it, oh yeah...The Urantia Book

You are a cruel man.:dan:

NotAPretender
5th April 2018, 23:05
You are a cruel man.:dan:

I admit I feared it might prove too painful...yeah really. But then he can surely just put it down...

modwiz
5th April 2018, 23:35
I admit I feared it might prove too painful...yeah really. But then he can surely just put it down...

He can have mine. A two thousand page book, it takes up unnecessary room. Although, it would provide toilet paper in an emergency.:ha:

NotAPretender
6th April 2018, 00:20
He can have mine. A two thousand page book, it takes up unnecessary room. Although, it would provide toilet paper in an emergency.:ha:

I kept mine for ongoing curiosity. In the event anything happens that coincides with the book. Whether unlikely or not... :)

enjoy being
6th April 2018, 02:26
Umm. Hmm alt world section of the library?
Is that with all the Whirled Alt world media vigaheads?
Bit scary to be reminded of just how little I read off of paper, 'these days'.
Certainly not non fiction so much. Though, my book shelf is predominantly non fiction so who knows.
Art, atlas, How Things Work 1 and 2.

Those David Icke books are meant to be good, but I have never read them.
Half the titles I start to remember would really be ones from the philosophy and psychology sections.
How about Arthur C Clarke ? :-P

To be serious, 1984 would be a must have.

On the sixth day of Hate Week, after the processions, the speeches, the shouting, the singing, the banners, the posters, the films, the waxworks, the rolling of drums and squealing of trumpets, the tramp of marching feet, the grinding of the caterpillars of tanks, the roar of massed planes, the booming of guns – after six days of this, when the great orgasm was quivering to its climax and the general hatred of Eurasia had boiled up into such delirium that if the crowd could have got their hands on the 2,000 Eurasian war-criminals who were to be publicly hanged on the last day of the proceedings, they would unquestionably have torn them to pieces – at just this moment it had been announced that Oceania was not after all at war with Eurasia. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Eurasia was an ally.


..he was not troubled by the fact that every word he murmured into the speakwrite, every stroke of his ink-pencil, was a deliberate lie. He was as anxious as anyone else in the Department that the forgery should be perfect […] A mighty deed, which could never be mentioned, had been achieved. It was now impossible for any human being to prove by documentary evidence that the war with Eurasia had ever happened.


"I betrayed you," she said baldly.

"I betrayed you," he said.

She gave him another quick look of dislike.

"Sometimes," she said, "they threaten you with something you can't stand up to, can't even think about. And then you say, ‘Don't do it to me, do it to somebody else, do it to So-and-so.’ And perhaps you might pretend, afterwards, that it was only a trick and that you just said it to make them stop and didn't really mean it. But that isn't true. At the time when it happens you do mean it. You think there's no other way of saving yourself, and you're quite ready to save yourself that way. You want it to happen to the other person. You don't give a damn what they suffer. All you care about is yourself."

"All you care about is yourself," he echoed.

"And after that, you don't feel the same towards the other person any longer."

"No," he said, "you don't feel the same."


Goldstein discusses the pyramidal shape of society, which consists of the High, who wish to remain high, Middle, who wish to change places with the high, and Low, who wish to develop a society based on equality among all men. When the Middle works to overthrow the High, it enlists the Low to achieve its goals, and then pushes the Low back to their place. Thus, the Low are always trod upon, with no hope of true change or progress. This pattern became clear in the nineteenth century, when Socialism began to gain popularity. The socialist movements among the superstates turned into totalitarian rule, which eventually evolved into Ingsoc, Neo-Bolshevism, and Death-worship, and worked directly towards developing "unfreedom and inequality." The purpose of these systems was to stop progress and "freeze history at a chosen moment." Rather than moving forward, society moved backward, embracing concepts such as "imprisonment without trial, the use of war prisoners as slaves, public executions [and] torture." Goldstein blames the invention of the television for the complete loss of privacy and the drastic increase in domestic spying. The television and propagation of print media allows superstates to develop and maintain complete uniformity in opinion... Goldstein defines the four dangers to a ruling regime as being conquered from without, suffering from inefficient government leading to revolt, permitting a strong and independent Middle Group to develop, or losing self-confidence and willingness to govern. The main danger lies in the growth of liberalism. To address this, the government works efficiently to mold consciousness. As such, the infallible, all-powerful Big Brother sits at the apex of Oceanian society, as a representation of the Party to its country and the world, and "a focus point for love, fear, and reverence, emotions which are more easily felt toward an individual than toward an organization." Next lies the Inner Party, numbering approximately six million, less than two percent of the population. The Outer Party follows, filled with workers who allow the Party to maintain society, and finally come the proles, the "dumb masses" and non-Party members consisting of eighty-five percent of the population. Membership in these groups is defined by heredity, and each is monitored closely by the Thought Police to weed out any independent thinkers.

Goldstein goes on to discuss the advent of Newspeak, the total lack of privacy demanded by the Party, and the central notion of the mutability of the past. Goldstein focuses specifically on the Newspeak word "doublethink," which means "the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them." Goldstein notes that the Party tends to embrace contradiction, "constantly linking opposites - knowledge with ignorance, cynicism with fanaticism," peace with war, truth with lies, plenty with starvation, love with torture. In this way, the Party has abandoned every basic principle of Socialism and turned its back on the original goals of the Revolution.

Winston stops reading and realizes that Julia has fallen asleep. He lies down next to her, noting that he still has not learned the "ultimate secret." He knows how, but not why. He knew all of these things before, but reading Goldstein's words showed him that he was sane. He falls asleep murmuring, "Sanity is not statistical."



I'll have to keep thinking.
Is this for a physical library or a virtual one?

Dumpster Diver
6th April 2018, 04:06
As far as Science Fiction goes, I have a two thousand volume collection in my library now. I have almost all of Arthur Clarke’s published works. Yup, 1984 is in there too.

I checked out the Urantia book, but it didn’t resonate with me. But if Wizzy wants to be rid of his, I’ll certainly pay postage just to have it as possible reference.

Elen
6th April 2018, 08:50
Here is one for referencing: "back to eden" by Jethro Kloss. It's a classic guide for herbal medicine. :thup:

modwiz
6th April 2018, 10:03
As far as Science Fiction goes, I have a two thousand volume collection in my library now. I have almost all of Arthur Clarke’s published works. Yup, 1984 is in there too.

I checked out the Urantia book, but it didn’t resonate with me. But if Wizzy wants to be rid of his, I’ll certainly pay postage just to have it as possible reference.

It companions well with both old and new testaments and the book of mormon, if that kind of cosmology is your thing. It will end up in your hands.:thup:

Dreamtimer
6th April 2018, 11:15
I have Le Livre de Mormon. But I'm not recommending it for your library.

For dream books I'd recommend Conscious Dreaming or the newer Active Dreaming by Robert Moss. The Secret History of Dreaming, also by him, is a good read.

NotAPretender
6th April 2018, 13:14
As far as Science Fiction goes, I have a two thousand volume collection in my library now. I have almost all of Arthur Clarke’s published works. Yup, 1984 is in there too.

I checked out the Urantia book, but it didn’t resonate with me. But if Wizzy wants to be rid of his, I’ll certainly pay postage just to have it as possible reference.

The fact that it doesn't resonate is precisely why you should read it. It's operating at a different frequency...higher or lower you would never know unless you at least looked past the cover. Oh the pain of it all.

Dumpster Diver
6th April 2018, 13:30
The fact that it doesn't resonate is precisely why you should read it. It's operating at a different frequency...higher or lower you would never know unless you at least looked past the cover. Oh the pain of it all.

Good point. You never know where important puzzle pieces come from. I’ll pick it up at some point.

Btw, right now I’m researching electric ATVs as the next Batmobile...

Dumpster Diver
6th April 2018, 13:43
It companions well with both old and new testaments and the book of mormon, if that kind of cosmology is your thing. It will end up in your hands.:thup:

Yeah, I’m convinced the Book of Mormon relates some part of the actual history of the American Indians. So doing some research ther. I might spend some time at the local Mormon Ward as well. Btw, If you are offering to send it, let me know costs and I’ll PayPal it to you. But you may want to keep it.


I have Le Livre de Mormon. But I'm not recommending it for your library.

For dream books I'd recommend Conscious Dreaming or the newer Active Dreaming by Robert Moss. The Secret History of Dreaming, also by him, is a good read.

Ok, noted. I’ve got to get my dreams revel up again. All the fun ones have gone away.


Here is one for referencing: "back to eden" by Jethro Kloss. It's a classic guide for herbal medicine. :thup:

Ok, this is a area I’ve not spent much time in. Thinking on starting a herb garden to go with my brown thumb.


He can have mine. A two thousand page book, it takes up unnecessary room. Although, it would provide toilet paper in an emergency.:ha:

We may all be there at some point. Now looking into those Japanese toilets that clean your bottom without the need for toilet paper...cutting trees for toilet paper bothers me.

NotAPretender
6th April 2018, 15:51
It companions well with both old and new testaments and the book of mormon, if that kind of cosmology is your thing. It will end up in your hands.:thup:

Hey no joke, I keep that book close, but seriously, not touching, to the New American... :)

Gale Frierson
6th April 2018, 16:43
I wondered if modwiz had died and gone to Heaven. It's been absolutely AGES! Nice to hear your take.
So what of a constructive nature have you been doing with your time?

Dumpster Diver
6th April 2018, 17:35
I wondered if modwiz had died and gone to Heaven. It's been absolutely AGES! Nice to hear your take.
So what of a constructive nature have you been doing with your time?

Wizzy was taking a break from us knuckleheads. We love him anyway...:love:

modwiz
6th April 2018, 21:30
I wondered if modwiz had died and gone to Heaven. It's been absolutely AGES! Nice to hear your take.
So what of a constructive nature have you been doing with your time?

Staying out of forums, doing youtube videos. Currently working on songs that need finishing so they can be posted too. Working on a concept for a 'performance video'. Keeps me busy and sane.

Death and I speak every day and we both agree the time is not now.:grin:


Wizzy was taking a break from us knuckleheads. We love him anyway...:love:

I love everybody too, the like part can get challenging. However, I do like Aragorn and spare him from my posts when "moods" set in.

Dreamtimer
7th April 2018, 10:52
I love everybody too, the like part can get challenging.

Quote of the day.

I'm glad you answered, Modwiz. I didn't want to speak for you. And I'm stoked to hear you're working on some more music. Please do share when you're ready. ;):thup:

Dumpster Diver
7th April 2018, 14:42
Staying out of forums, doing youtube videos. Currently working on songs that need finishing so they can be posted too. Working on a concept for a 'performance video'. Keeps me busy and sane.

Death and I speak every day and we both agree the time is not now.:grin:

I love everybody too, the like part can get challenging. However, I do like Aragorn and spare him from my posts when "moods" set in.

I like Argon as well and the cool thing is: he gets down frequently from his mountain to converse with us mear mortals in the forum. His cosmology is weird, but fun to consider. To boot, his humor is dark and twisted like mine. The bad thing is, as a nonnative English speaker he writes better than I do. The insult is doubled as he is Flemish.

Aragorn
7th April 2018, 15:26
I like Argon as well and the cool thing is: he gets down frequently from his mountain to converse with us mear mortals in the forum. His cosmology is weird, but fun to consider. To boot, his humor is dark and twisted like mine. The bad thing is, as a nonnative English speaker he writes better than I do. The insult is doubled as he is Flemish.


:ha::ha::ha:

:onthequite:

palooka's revenge
7th April 2018, 21:49
I like Argon as well and the cool thing is: he gets down frequently from his mountain to converse with us mear mortals in the forum. His cosmology is weird, but fun to consider. To boot, his humor is dark and twisted like mine. The bad thing is, as a nonnative English speaker he writes better than I do. The insult is doubled as he is Flemish.

the man amazes me!!!

aragorn i mean. and, yeah, u 2 dumpy. but for dif reasons...

Dumpster Diver
8th April 2018, 12:54
the man amazes me!!!

aragorn i mean. and, yeah, u 2 dumpy. but for dif reasons...

Thanks, I consider myself the Masked JoeSixPack of TOT...:smiley-dance013:

palooka's revenge
8th April 2018, 14:41
Thanks, I consider myself the Masked JoeSixPack of TOT...:smiley-dance013:

nice try but far from it...

NotAPretender
8th April 2018, 14:47
So, now there is a competition for Joe Six-Pack of the Year. :( And I can't even play... :)

Dreamtimer
8th April 2018, 15:08
You don't drink beer, Dumpy. But if you do, I recommend Heavy Seas and Brewers Art.

Dumpster Diver
8th April 2018, 16:53
You don't drink beer, Dumpy. But if you do, I recommend Heavy Seas and Brewers Art.

Joe Six Packing is a state of mind...and yes, screaming and kicking as I “level up” with you granola-eating woo-woo wingnuts...

Maggie
11th April 2018, 05:08
Thought this library should appear here. It is accompanied by this montage... a must view

http://www.organism.earth

http://www.organism.earth/library/http://www.organism.earth/library/


If you’ve found your way to The Library, you may be one of the inquisitive consciousnesses who wants to know more about this reality which you are subjectively experiencing. This information node serves as a backup repository of the insights of (some) observers who have tried to tackle this fascinating topic, and other peripheral documents that hopefully make the core ideas easier to understand.

This enormous task began in 2016, and it will take a long time to amass enough material to provide an unbiased viewpoint (I know I won’t live to see it), so it’s really only intended to be an unstable stepping stone to get you started. New documents will be added over time when they’re discovered and their value has been verified. This is a lenghty process, so I do ask for your patience regarding updates to the database.

The information contained within this pool of knowledge is incredibly interesting and worth preserving, but it certainly doesn’t represent all of reality. (How could it? I’d have to include everything!) Some day, someone else will undoubtedly make a better, more comprehensive version; for now, this will do.

If you would like to suggest new documents and viewpoints for inclusion in The Library or submit a correction (spelling, factual data, etc.) please message CuratorOfTheLibrary on Reddit. I shouldn't be the only one picking out the material, so please let me know what I'm missing.

Wherever you find yourself in this existence, peace and love be with you!

P.S.: This website is not a business. It’s a labor of love.

Dumpster Diver
12th April 2018, 21:59
...I’m thinking about a separate thread with just book reviews of books I’ve read.

GraceKB
12th April 2018, 22:23
Ok, I’m building a library of alt-world books and I wanted to start a thread of the books TOT folks think are “must have”. As I’m kind of a newbie, I thought I’d throw it open to what books you folks think I need to have.

What subjects in the alt world are you interested in?

Dumpster Diver
12th April 2018, 22:43
What subjects in the alt world are you interested in?

Everything.

GraceKB
12th April 2018, 22:58
Everything.

Lol, yeah, that really narrows it down.

Here's one you might like and I'm not being a smartass. Chris Knowles is entertaining and an awesome dot connecter. If you like magic/occult.

https://www.amazon.com/Our-Gods-Wear-Spandex-History/dp/1578634067

I think there's a free pdf now so check before you buy it.

Here's his blog

https://secretsun.blogspot.com/

enjoy being
13th April 2018, 00:09
Okay here's a challenging one. Seeing you say, things come in strange packages.
I made short mention of it before while describing a notion of "In the beginning there was creative potential..."

The challenge is many fold... It is a translation from Russian. It is a channelling. It tries to sell you a magical pendant at the very end. And it is quite complicated in its intricacies over the course of its entirety. Ah, must also add..and it talks about the 'luminous body'..

..Yet I do still find myself referring in my head, back to some of the concepts offered up within the pages, even a decade or so after having read it.
It is not really a religious book like the cover might suggest.
The Holy Knowledge by Ljubisa Stojanovic, Ph. D. (https://api.ning.com/files/6LkbZd6j-th4EES7FbC*fbwh9EpKuRrLKbHesEvV3CZ2LX4chXjdVzpsuDH ME8j0cWArXrf6Y8Eycu0RRTXxlB5lChoMM3NH/HolyKnowledgeaboutEnergyMedicineHealingReikiMedita tionChakrasMindBodyAuraChakraAlternativeSpiritualH olisticHealthHealer.pdf)

Anyway I am sure that will be entertaining for a while. Along the way of finding a copy to post, I also found the following library page.
http://www.lovepeaceandharmony.org/group/wisdomlibrary?groupUrl=wisdomlibrary&id=2209390%3AGroup%3A48093&page=3

I know it still isn't answering your original request for books that are must haves/reads.

modwiz
13th April 2018, 00:26
"The Nature of Personal Reality" by Jane Roberts. A Seth book.

NotAPretender
13th April 2018, 00:37
https://cdn.pastemagazine.com/www/system/images/photo_albums/paperback-paradise/large/paperback-paradise-5.jpg?1384968217

This one was made for you Joe...oh, I mean Mr. Dumpster

lol...did I go too far... :)

NotAPretender
13th April 2018, 00:43
"The Nature of Personal Reality" by Jane Roberts. A Seth book.

I always confuse her work with Ruth Montgomery...truth be told, I think I missed Jane Roberts altogether in favor of Montgomery. Maybe not, though.

modwiz
13th April 2018, 00:47
I always confuse her work with Ruth Montgomery...truth be told, I think I missed Jane Roberts altogether in favor of Montgomery. Maybe not, though.

They are night and day different. Seth is deep reading and very thorough in taking one into and through our unseen reality. I recommended the book that changed my life, in a week, after a painful break-up of my first marriage. I was 22 then.

NotAPretender
13th April 2018, 00:59
It's never too late...I'll try it...

Maggie
13th April 2018, 02:21
"The Nature of Personal Reality" by Jane Roberts. A Seth book.

That is a super dooper keeper book. It is just such deep thunking no matter where it arose. But I find it disconcerting that Jane Roberst had severe physical difficulties. To me that is representative of an old paradigm of suffering. Speaking of suffering and redemptive features, One of the most touching books for me was
"The Education of Little Tree".

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51CB5QK08FL._SX324_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

Forrest Carter I think was a bitter man but there is a sweetness and lovingness in this book and its loss may have been why he felt sour?

Here is a quote from an article about Carter.


He says fans of The Education of Little Tree should have known that it wasn't what it appeared to be. For one thing, the Cherokee words that Forrest Carter used in the memoir weren't Cherokee — they were just made up.

"Most people who loved the book couldn't imagine that a former Klansman, racist, anti-Semite could have written The Education of Little Tree," Dan Carter says. But the genius of the book is that people took what they wanted out of it.

In CHANNELING, if the channeling (what we are receiving) is high level, and what i mean is broader and larger than local contexts, there is reconciliation and direction to healing. The biggest reconciliation is in our own psyche. I cannot help but FEEL and think that suffering is unreconciled differences within. It is being pulled in more than one direction. Then paradox is needed and inner peace and it LOOKS like Carter was working to inner coherency and wrote a beautiful fictional take of wisdom CHANNELED through his life.


In the early 1990s, The Education of Little Tree became a publishing phenomenon. It told the story of an orphan growing up and learning the wisdom of his Native American ancestors, Cherokee Texan author Forrest Carter's purported autobiography.

The book was originally published in 1976 to little fanfare and modest sales, but in the late 1980s, the University of New Mexico Press reissued it in paperback — and it exploded. By 1991, it reached the top of The New York Times nonfiction best-seller list. It was sold around the world, praised by Oprah Winfrey and made into a Hollywood film.

The Education of Little Tree would go on to sell more than 1 million copies. But the book and its author were not what they seemed.

Meet Asa Earl Carter

Three decades earlier, in Alabama, Asa Earl Carter was a Ku Klux Klan organizer, a rabid segregationist and a talk show host who expounded on the dangers of integration. In 1963, he drafted an inaugural address for Alabama Gov. George Wallace that would become one of the most notorious speeches of the civil rights era.

"In the name of the greatest people that have ever trod this earth," Wallace said, "I draw the line in the dust and toss the gauntlet before the feet of tyranny, and I say segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever!"

Wallace's words came from Carter's pen, but as the decade progressed, Carter turned against Wallace. According to Tom Turnipseed, Wallace's national campaign manager, Carter felt that Wallace had gone soft on the issue of segregation. By 1970, Turnipseed says, Carter's ideas had become "too extreme" and Wallace pushed him aside.

Alabama reporter Wayne Greenhaw covered Wallace's 1971 inauguration. Before he died last year, Greenshaw said he found Carter behind the Capitol after his speech. "He started crying," Greenhaw said. "He said that Wallace had sold out to the liberals."

Then Carter got up, turned around and bid Greenhaw farewell. "And that was the last time I ever saw Asa Carter," Greenhaw said. "It's like he just vanished, dropped off the face of the earth."

Ron Taylor was a close friend of Asa Carter's. He remembers Carter calling him one day to say he was going away. "He just pulled up out of the Choccolocco Valley, tanned himself up, grew a mustache, lost about 20 pounds," Taylor says, "and became Forrest Carter."

Forrest Carter's Western adventure novel Gone to Texas tells the fictional story of Josey Wales, an outlaw-to-be who loses his family and goes on to become the most wanted man in Texas.

And then Forrest Carter became a novelist. Through the 1970s, he published four books: Gone to Texas (later made into the Clint Eastwood western The Outlaw Josey Wales), The Vengeance Trail of Josey Wales, The Education of Little Tree and Watch for Me on the Mountain.

Chuck and Betty Weeth were running a bookstore in Abilene, Texas, when, in 1975, Forrest Carter walked in and introduced himself. He was dressed in jeans and a cowboy hat, had a dark complexion and told the couple that he was Cherokee and had been raised by his grandparents in a Tennessee cabin. "I liked him from the start," Chuck Weeth says.

That same year, author Forrest Carter appeared on The Today Show, where he was interviewed by Barbara Walters. "She'd ask him questions and he'd mumble these answers," Greenhaw said. "He said he wrangled horses and, when he was in Oklahoma, he was the storyteller to the Cherokee Nation."

Ron Taylor says when he saw the interview, "I literally got down on the floor laughing. Asa's on TV! He had pulled it. He had fooled them."

"I was bumfuzzled," Greenhaw said of his own reaction to the broadcast, so the reporter decided to look into what Forrest — or Asa — was up to. He started calling around, interviewing people who knew Asa and after a few days, Forrest Carter got in touch.

Greenhaw said he had clear memories of the call: "He said, 'You don't want to hurt old Forrest, do you now?' And I said, 'Come off of it, Asa, I recognize that voice.' "

In 1976, Greenhaw published a New York Times article drawing the connection between Asa and Forrest Carter.

Readers Saw What They Wanted

Historian and George Wallace biographer Dan Carter (no relation) is working on a book about Asa. He says fans of The Education of Little Tree should have known that it wasn't what it appeared to be. For one thing, the Cherokee words that Forrest Carter used in the memoir weren't Cherokee — they were just made up.

"Most people who loved the book couldn't imagine that a former Klansman, racist, anti-Semite could have written The Education of Little Tree," Dan Carter says. But the genius of the book is that people took what they wanted out of it.

"One way you look at it, it's a tree-hugger book," Taylor says. "But the other way, it's a right-wing, government-leave-me-alone book. That's how I took it."

Almost four decades after they first met Forrest Carter, Chuck and Betty Weeth remain perplexed that the man they knew — the man they considered a friend — had a dramatically different past. "I didn't like Asa Carter," Chuck Weeth says, "but I did like Forrest Carter."

Forrest Carter died in 1979 in Abilene. He was buried in Alabama, where today his tombstone still reads, "Asa Earl Carter."

Produced for All Things Considered by Joe Richman and Samara Freemark of Radio Diaries with consulting editors Deborah George and Ben Shapiro. Special thanks to the producers of the documentary The Reconstruction of Asa Carter, which is airing on PBS stations through April.https://www.npr.org/2012/04/20/151037079/the-artful-reinvention-of-klansman-asa-earl-carter

Dumpster Diver
13th April 2018, 03:09
Lol, yeah, that really narrows it down.

Here's one you might like and I'm not being a smartass. Chris Knowles is entertaining and an awesome dot connecter. If you like magic/occult.

https://www.amazon.com/Our-Gods-Wear-Spandex-History/dp/1578634067

I think there's a free pdf now so check before you buy it.

Here's his blog

https://secretsun.blogspot.com/

Cool, this hits me right in the Batcave...but I do think there is a lot to it.

enjoy being
13th April 2018, 03:39
Cool, this hits me right in the Batcave...but I do think there is a lot to it.

Found a "redIce" interview with him. https://archive.org/details/ChristopherKnowlesOurGodsWearSpandex

so far from a quick look, I think some of the 'free' pdf links to be found, are bogus.

NotAPretender
13th April 2018, 11:39
That is a super dooper keeper book. It is just such deep thunking no matter where it arose. But I find it disconcerting that Jane Roberst had severe physical difficulties. To me that is representative of an old paradigm of suffering. Speaking of suffering and redemptive features, One of the most touching books for me was
"The Education of Little Tree".

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51CB5QK08FL._SX324_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

Forrest Carter I think was a bitter man but there is a sweetness and lovingness in this book and its loss may have been why he felt sour?

Here is a quote from an article about Carter.



In CHANNELING, if the channeling (what we are receiving) is high level, and what i mean is broader and larger than local contexts, there is reconciliation and direction to healing. The biggest reconciliation is in our own psyche. I cannot help but FEEL and think that suffering is unreconciled differences within. It is being pulled in more than one direction. Then paradox is needed and inner peace and it LOOKS like Carter was working to inner coherency and wrote a beautiful fictional take of wisdom CHANNELED through his life.

that's a remarkable history...

NotAPretender
13th April 2018, 17:30
Found a "redIce" interview with him. https://archive.org/details/ChristopherKnowlesOurGodsWearSpandex

so far from a quick look, I think some of the 'free' pdf links to be found, are bogus.

I think you can appreciate this:

Or all of the examples are paying homage to art history. Something that humans are motivated to do dating way way back. "Need for a savior figure"...Holy kpow, another reference to Desmond Morris. One has to go much deeper than that for answers.

To use a very dated analogy: Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

NotAPretender
13th April 2018, 17:53
"The Nature of Personal Reality" by Jane Roberts. A Seth book.

Ok, I bought it...she had a couple of other books regarding dreaming and while I was drawn to those, I went with your suggestion. I know I must have read at least one or two but I can't really remember. It is possible that at the time I felt channeling was 'demonic' and so stayed away from them. On the other hand, Montgomery was sort of about the same thing, except she was doing automatic writing, which I do remember reading about. To me, that was less threatening because auto writing was something you had to opt-in, where as channeling was more like something just grabbed you...I didn't like that at all. We shall see... :)

GraceKB
13th April 2018, 17:53
Found a "redIce" interview with him. https://archive.org/details/ChristopherKnowlesOurGodsWearSpandex

so far from a quick look, I think some of the 'free' pdf links to be found, are bogus.

That was 11 yrs ago when Red Ice still had interesting guests and before Henrik went to the dark side. Even his voice sounds different. Pretty amazing.

enjoy being
13th April 2018, 19:27
I think you can appreciate this:

Or all of the examples are paying homage to art history. Something that humans are motivated to do dating way way back. "Need for a savior figure"...Holy kpow, another reference to Desmond Morris. One has to go much deeper than that for answers.

To use a very dated analogy: Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

Nope I couldn't understand what that was meant to mean or how it related to my throw away comment about the pdf availability.

Dreamtimer
13th April 2018, 21:12
I first heard of Jane Roberts via Robert Moss. Nice to know your experience, Modwiz.

I listened to an interview of the author of Our Gods Wear Spandex. Sounds like a good one.

GraceKB
13th April 2018, 21:25
I first heard of Jane Roberts via Robert Moss. Nice to know your experience, Modwiz.

I listened to an interview of the author of Our Gods Wear Spandex. Sounds like a good one.

He's been on The Higherside Chats many times and also Gordon White's Rune Soup...one of my favorite magicians (White)

NotAPretender
13th April 2018, 23:43
Nope I couldn't understand what that was meant to mean or how it related to my throw away comment about the pdf availability.

I listened to it!? :)

GraceKB
14th April 2018, 13:26
Ok, I bought it...she had a couple of other books regarding dreaming and while I was drawn to those, I went with your suggestion. I know I must have read at least one or two but I can't really remember. It is possible that at the time I felt channeling was 'demonic' and so stayed away from them. On the other hand, Montgomery was sort of about the same thing, except she was doing automatic writing, which I do remember reading about. To me, that was less threatening because auto writing was something you had to opt-in, where as channeling was more like something just grabbed you...I didn't like that at all. We shall see... :)

I'm leery of both. You never know what you're opening yourself up to.

NotAPretender
14th April 2018, 13:34
yeah, I agree, I certainly never tried it, automatic writing that is but it was interesting to learn about. Channeling in my opinion is very dangerous. I'm forgetting, is it the Pentecostals that speak in tongues. I was taking a religious based class and there was some discussion about it and my comment was "I'd rather not!"

Dumpster Diver
14th April 2018, 15:28
Ok, I’ll post one of my favorite alt-world books:

https://target.scene7.com/is/image/Target/11800849?wid=520&hei=520&fmt=pjpeg

I’m about to buy this:

https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Calvin-Hobbes-Bill-Watterson/dp/1449433251/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1523719815&sr=8-1&keywords=calvin+and+hobbes

palooka's revenge
14th April 2018, 18:29
maybe the guy who kicked the ball down the rabbit hole for me 'n a whole lotta other folk back in the day is worth a spot...

WILLIAM COOPER (http://www.hourofthetime.com/wordpresstest/behold-a-pale-horse-by-william-cooper/)

Dreamtimer
15th April 2018, 12:07
Just discovered Charles Mann published a new book. The Wizard and the Prophet. It’s about humanity reaching 10 billion and the rammifications/implications.

The Wizard is Norman Borlaug and the Prophet is William Vogt. They had diametrically opposed ideas on how to deal with the issue and both have shaped society.

Charles wrote 1491 and 1493.

On phone now so can link to more later.

Dreamtimer
1st June 2018, 16:02
Being reminded of this one (https://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1620555255/talismanthebo-21):

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51jJa535WAL._SX331_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

Dreamtimer
23rd December 2018, 22:44
Just discovered Charles Mann published a new book. The Wizard and the Prophet. It’s about humanity reaching 10 billion and the rammifications/implications.

The Wizard is Norman Borlaug and the Prophet is William Vogt. They had diametrically opposed ideas on how to deal with the issue and both have shaped society.

Charles wrote 1491 and 1493.

On phone now so can link to more later.


I bought this book for myself the other day. Here's a recent discussion (http://radiowest.kuer.org/post/wizard-and-prophet-1).

Dreamtimer
28th December 2018, 21:51
On the video Gio posted here (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/9965-The-Cosmic-Emporium?p=842005481&viewfull=1#post842005481), at the very end the text reads, "Next Episode Part 5:The Vogt interview".

:eyebrows::eyebrows::eyebrows:

Dreamtimer
4th January 2019, 16:29
Not the same Vogt. The one Ben talks about is an astrophysicist. :whstl:

NotAPretender
5th January 2019, 02:56
I think one of the farthest out there books (non-fiction...supposedly) is the Urantia Book...Wow...that one is either true or someone with the best imagination ever wrote it.

Dreamtimer
5th January 2019, 04:15
I've heard much about it. Kind of like the Bible but with many more stories?