The Dreaded Social Justice Warriors

[Dreamtimer]

Well folks, they've made the mainstream. I saw a whole report yesterday on the danger they pose to free speech. It's just as bad as what Jordan Peterson talks about with the very major exception that we haven't codified into law a requirement that we use 100+ gender name variants.

Bari Weiss wrote an editorial in the NYT (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/07/opinion/were-all-fascists-now.html) yesterday about this issue. I watched an interview of her on Morning Joe (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upL1uC1HGGg).

MSNBC of course has transformed majorly over the years. One of the changes is the large, and I mean HUGE, number of republicans on this supposedly liberal news/entertainment outlet. People who have been lifelong republicans in various administrations as well as political organizations and media. They've gone there because their mainstay, Fox, and their political party have gone off the rails. Rachel Maddow's show is now beating Hannity in the ratings.

Things, they are a changin'.


I gotta say, my son graduated from college in '16. He went to a liberal college in the Northwest. And there was nothing like this going on. None of his friends or anyone he knew was having these triggering, offended by speech issues. According to Bari, it's something that has suddenly come to a head over the last four to five years in America.

(synchronicity report: the man on TV said 'nothing' just as I typed it)

[Dumpster Diver]

Well folks, they've made the mainstream. I saw a whole report yesterday on the danger they pose to free speech. It's just as bad as what Jordan Peterson talks about with the very major exception that we haven't codified into law a requirement that we use 100+ gender name variants.

Bari Weiss wrote an editorial in the NYT (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/07/opinion/were-all-fascists-now.html) yesterday about this issue. I watched an interview of her on Morning Joe (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upL1uC1HGGg).

MSNBC of course has transformed majorly over the years. One of the changes is the large, and I mean HUGE, number of republicans on this supposedly liberal news/entertainment outlet. People who have been lifelong republicans in various administrations as well as political organizations and media. They've gone there because their mainstay, Fox, and their political party have gone off the rails. Rachel Maddow's show is now beating Hannity in the ratings.

Things, they are a changin'.


I gotta say, my son graduated from college in '16. He went to a liberal college in the Northwest. And there was nothing like this going on. None of his friends or anyone he knew was having these triggering, offended by speech issues. According to Bari, it's something that has suddenly come to a head over the last four to five years in America.

(synchronicity report: the man on TV said 'nothing' just as I typed it)

Gasp! Dreamy is watching MSNBC! Next thing will be Dreamy organizing Satanic rutuals with 30 ft owl statues?

[Dreamtimer]

In case you didn't notice, the mainstream media is reporting on how the SJW's are threatening free speech and how it's corrupting dialogue in University atmospheres and helping to undermine speech in the broader context.

[Emil El Zapato]

The Russians are coming! The Russians are coming!

Actually, I don't know much about this person so how far she goes in explaining differences might be offensive or it might not be.

But for a little context regarding the current mass rush of enlightening energy we are amidst I'll just say this:

As one of them there Gandhis said: "Passive violence is still violence" or maybe it was "Rudeness is a passive form of violence" or maybe it was...you get the picture, I hope.

[Dreamtimer]

Here's the opener:


Christina Hoff Sommers is a self-identified feminist and registered Democrat with a Ph.D. in philosophy and a wicked sense of humor. She is also a woman who says bad things. Things like: Men and women are equal, but there are differences between them. Or: The gender gap in STEM fields isn’t simply the result of sexism. Or: Contrary to received wisdom, the American school system actually favors girls, not boys.


When such a person steps foot on a college campus these days, you know what’s coming. So it was on Monday at Lewis & Clark Law School in Portland, Ore., where Ms. Sommers had been invited by the Federalist Society to give a talk about feminism.

(I know a young person who went to this school. I'll have to inquire.)


In advance of the lecture, nine student groups, among them the Portland National Lawyers Guild, the Minority Law Student Association, the Women’s Law Caucus, the Jewish Law Society and the school’s Young Democratic Socialists of America chapter sent a letter protesting the appearance by this “known fascist.”


The letter added that her invitation amounted to an “act of aggression and violence” and went on to offer a curious definition of free speech: “Freedom of speech is certainly an important tenet to a free, healthy society, but that freedom stops when it has a negative and violent impact on other individuals.”


Yes, these future lawyers believe that free speech is acceptable only when it doesn’t offend them. Which is to say, they don’t believe in it at all.

[Emil El Zapato]

Article I grabbed off the net:

Last month, the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) listed Male Supremacist hate groups for the first time.

The SPLC reported on the movement back in 2012 but decided to list groups for 2017 following the extraordinary rise of the racist “alt-right,” of which misogynist elements of the “manosphere” form its core. The ideology of Male Supremacy, with many different tributaries of influence and thought leading into it, is broadly defined as follows:

Male supremacy misrepresents all women as genetically inferior, manipulative and stupid and reduces them to their reproductive or sexual function — with sex being something that they owe men and that can or even should be coerced out of them. Driven by a biological analysis of women as fundamentally inferior to men, male supremacists malign women specifically for their gender. Their thinly veiled desire for the domination of women and their conviction that the current system oppresses men in favor of women are the unifying tenets of the male supremacist worldview.

While it was expected that the leaders of the two groups listed by the SPLC, Paul Elam’s A Voice For Men and Daryush "Roosh" Valizadeh’s Return of Kings, would protest (Roosh responded by blaming “the Jews”), what outraged the right-wing media was the following sentence in the profile of Male Supremacy:

Men’s rights issues also overlap with the rhetoric of equity feminists like Christina Hoff Sommers, who give a mainstream and respectable face to some MRA [Men’s Rights Activism] concerns.

Sommers, an American Enterprise Institute (AEI) scholar, took to Twitter and claimed that the SPLC “denounced” her as an “enabler of male supremacy.” She told the Weekly Standard that the SPLC was “blacklisting in place of engaging with arguments. They blacklist you, rather than try to refute you.” An email to Sommers’ assistant asking for clarification went unanswered.

[Gale Frierson]

That reminds me of Chicken Little's "The sky is falling! The sky is falling!"

[Dreamtimer]

I met a man a couple years ago. He had been in the navy for many years. When I met him, he was a grandma. He had transitioned. It was a bit weird, but I have to say it was my husband who was really freaked out.

The reason I bring him up is because he was very concerned about the attitude in the navy towards women. Not all men, of course. He knew many men who talked about women in exactly the ways mentioned above. They're just walking vaginas. They're only there to service men and have babies. They're stupid, yada yada yada...


These attitudes are part and parcel of why I and others should be very cautious about how we talk about the differences between men and women. We don't need to be giving men like this 'evidence' to 'prove' their low opinions.

[Aragorn]

One of the differences between men and women that I have observed is that in men, intellect and emotion appear to be working in parallel with one another, while in women, they appear to be working in series. It's actually quite interesting. :)

On a different note — but in line with the discussion about misogyny that we're having here — I'll say this: men who speak or think of women in such lowly manners as the ones cited higher up are not real men. A real man loves a woman for who and what she is. Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but I still look at the gender divide in the romantic, medieval way — the knight who is protecting the damsel, and honored to meet his opponent in the tournament with the lady's scarf attached to the top of his helmet or to the hilt of his sword.

Now, that all said, I have been employed in what were virtually all-female environments, and the degree of misandry I have both had to suffer and been a witness to is just as astounding.

Take professional nursing as an example. Nursing school teachers are almost always women, and back in my time, many of them were ex-nuns — the real nuns, who were still wearing the habit, were actually much nicer. But those ex-nuns and the other, more secular female nursing teachers regarded us men as inferior and stupid, and we were being gratuitously chastised (and even publicly humiliated) in the most disdainful of manners. At the same time, the female professional nurses who were chastising us didn't even practise what they were preaching on account of the patient's needs. It seemed like among the female nurses, all of their idealism had immediately gone out the window from the moment they had graduated, while male nurses tended to retain their idealism to a much higher degree.

One of the other virtually all-female environments I've worked in had me remaining very quiet during lunchtime while those women were then all yapping away about their children, their pregnancies, breastfeeding, their clothes, their shoes, and how stupid their husbands/boyfriends were (in their opinions). The estrogen in the atmosphere there was so thick that it almost suffocated me, and it brought thoughts to mind of what it must be like to be a male hyena.

Those women were not women anymore either. I never said anything about what they were yapping about — even if only because I wouldn't possibly know what to say — but it did really make me feel very uncomfortable. And had at least one of them been cute, then I would have been able to tolerate it somewhat, but seriously, no, they weren't even pretty to look at. :p

The only virtually all-female environment I've worked in where this sort of thing did not occur was where the women were all elementary school teachers. Technically, that's the same level of college education as nurses, but there was a notable difference, and my colleagues were all very nice to me there.

I've also worked in an all-male environment, and that was awful too. Not only do you get to hear that kind of misogyny as Dreamtimer talked about all day long, but what I found most irritating about it was the competitive macho atmosphere there, where one's manhood was established at the hand of how many beers one could drink in an hour, how many times you had been in bar fights, how many times you had insulted the cops as they pulled you over for driving under influence, and how big your penis was — or how big you thought it was. Seriously, I'm not kidding: some of those guys would regularly pull out their dicks and run around like that just to show off. And it got even gorier than that at times, but I'll spare you the details. It was so disgusting that my stomach turns inside out from simply thinking back to it. As brainless as the Belgian Army was, even they had more common decency.


:vom: :vom: :vom:

The mixed-gender environments where I've worked were always the best, and especially those environments where people had enjoyed a higher education. Conversations were intelligent and about more abstract and general subjects, whereby sexist topics and anything else that required an IQ below 100 were avoided in the most natural manner, simply because nobody there was interested in discussing them.

Anyway, just my two cents again, of course. ;)

[Dumpster Diver]

One of the differences between men and women that I have observed is that in men, intellect and emotion appear to be working in parallel with one another, while in women, they appear to be working in series. It's actually quite interesting. :)

On a different note — but in line with the discussion about misogyny that we're having here — I'll say this: men who speak or think of women in such lowly manners as the ones cited higher up are not real men. A real man loves a woman for who and what she is. Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but I still look at the gender divide in the romantic, medieval way — the knight who is protecting the damsel, and honored to meet his opponent in the tournament with the lady's scarf attached to the top of his helmet or to the hilt of his sword.

Now, that all said, I have been employed in what were virtually all-female environments, and the degree of misandry I have both had to suffer and been a witness to is just as astounding.

Take professional nursing as an example. Nursing school teachers are almost always women, and back in my time, many of them were ex-nuns — the real nuns, who were still wearing the habit, were actually much nicer. But those ex-nuns and the other, more secular female nursing teachers regarded us men as inferior and stupid, and we were being gratuitously chastised (and even publicly humiliated) in the most disdainful of manners. At the same time, the female professional nurses who were chastising us didn't even practise what they were preaching on account of the patient's needs. It seemed like among the female nurses, all of their idealism had immediately gone out the window from the moment they had graduated, while male nurses tended to retain their idealism to a much higher degree.

One of the other virtually all-female environments I've worked in had me remaining very quiet during lunchtime while those women were then all yapping away about their children, their pregnancies, breastfeeding, their clothes, their shoes, and how stupid their husbands/boyfriends were (in their opinions). The estrogen in the atmosphere there was so thick that it almost suffocated me, and it brought thoughts to mind of what it must be like to be a male hyena.

Those women were not women anymore either. I never said anything about what they were yapping about — even if only because I wouldn't possibly know what to say — but it did really make me feel very uncomfortable. And had at least one of them been cute, then I would have been able to tolerate it somewhat, but seriously, no, they weren't even pretty to look at. :p

The only virtually all-female environment I've worked in where this sort of thing did not occur was where the women were all elementary school teachers. Technically, that's the same level of college education as nurses, but there was a notable difference, and my colleagues were all very nice to me there.

I've also worked in an all-male environment, and that was awful too. Not only do you get to hear that kind of misogyny as Dreamtimer talked about all day long, but what I found most irritating about it was the competitive macho atmosphere there, where one's manhood was established at the hand of how many beers one could drink in an hour, how many times you had been in bar fights, how many times you had insulted the cops as they pulled you over for driving under influence, and how big your penis was — or how big you thought it was. Seriously, I'm not kidding: some of those guys would regularly pull out their dicks and run around like that just to show off. And it got even gorier than that at times, but I'll spare you the details. It was so disgusting that my stomach turns inside out from simply thinking back to it. As brainless as the Belgian Army was, even they had more common decency.


:vom: :vom: :vom:

The mixed-gender environments where I've worked were always the best, and especially those environments where people had enjoyed a higher education. Conversations were intelligent and about more abstract and general subjects, whereby sexist topics and anything else that required an IQ below 100 were avoided in the most natural manner, simply because nobody there was interested in discussing them.

Anyway, just my two cents again, of course. ;)

Interesting. I’ve never been in a dominant female environment. The all male military situations were mostly ok if officers, if enlisted it would erode. If a bunch of male scientists, it was very highbrow, and almost always respectful. But frankly, when I was in those scientist situations, I typically was the boss.

[Wind]

You brough something funny to my mind Aragorn. My mother always used to tell me that she never enjoyed working with only women because she wasn't very interested to hear about the things women were always talking about in the workplace, then again she always told me that she didn't feel like she's a typical woman. On the other hand my father too always told that he didn't really enjoy working in some places with only men, because it was something like you mentioned. Probably not as bad though, or at least I hope not. I think all of that is just quite silly. :hilarious:

My parents were blue-collar workers. Women and men are created to support each others, it's never going to work any other way. There's just has been a major disbalance in the energies and now perhaps karmically, some sort of a retribution is being sought after. That will not solve anything though... Equality is something that everyone wants and that's a fact. Extreme views will only counter opposition, because such views always tend to create friction in society. Force never works, you can't force some things to work if you know what I mean. Social issues certainly have been important, but in many ways some of them seem to have become quite petty in these days in the west. Especially if you look at the bigger picture.

On a personal note I have to say though that I have always gotten better along with women as friends than men and maybe that's just me, but I tend to think that generally women can be way more sensible. I do know a few good guys too, but to me it feels much easier to deal with the female energy instead of the more direct and blunt male energy I suppose. If men are dumb and they're in groups, then they can really be dumb as hell. It's like as if the stupidity would multiply that way. Not that I would say that there's anything wrong with the male energy generally speaking, it's just something I have noticed in my life. You should be wary of the mob mentality and for a good reason too.

[Emil El Zapato]

One of the differences between men and women that I have observed is that in men, intellect and emotion appear to be working in parallel with one another, while in women, they appear to be working in series. It's actually quite interesting. :)

On a different note — but in line with the discussion about misogyny that we're having here — I'll say this: men who speak or think of women in such lowly manners as the ones cited higher up are not real men. A real man loves a woman for who and what she is. Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but I still look at the gender divide in the romantic, medieval way — the knight who is protecting the damsel, and honored to meet his opponent in the tournament with the lady's scarf attached to the top of his helmet or to the hilt of his sword.

Now, that all said, I have been employed in what were virtually all-female environments, and the degree of misandry I have both had to suffer and been a witness to is just as astounding.

Take professional nursing as an example. Nursing school teachers are almost always women, and back in my time, many of them were ex-nuns — the real nuns, who were still wearing the habit, were actually much nicer. But those ex-nuns and the other, more secular female nursing teachers regarded us men as inferior and stupid, and we were being gratuitously chastised (and even publicly humiliated) in the most disdainful of manners. At the same time, the female professional nurses who were chastising us didn't even practise what they were preaching on account of the patient's needs. It seemed like among the female nurses, all of their idealism had immediately gone out the window from the moment they had graduated, while male nurses tended to retain their idealism to a much higher degree.

One of the other virtually all-female environments I've worked in had me remaining very quiet during lunchtime while those women were then all yapping away about their children, their pregnancies, breastfeeding, their clothes, their shoes, and how stupid their husbands/boyfriends were (in their opinions). The estrogen in the atmosphere there was so thick that it almost suffocated me, and it brought thoughts to mind of what it must be like to be a male hyena.

Those women were not women anymore either. I never said anything about what they were yapping about — even if only because I wouldn't possibly know what to say — but it did really make me feel very uncomfortable. And had at least one of them been cute, then I would have been able to tolerate it somewhat, but seriously, no, they weren't even pretty to look at. :p

The only virtually all-female environment I've worked in where this sort of thing did not occur was where the women were all elementary school teachers. Technically, that's the same level of college education as nurses, but there was a notable difference, and my colleagues were all very nice to me there.

I've also worked in an all-male environment, and that was awful too. Not only do you get to hear that kind of misogyny as Dreamtimer talked about all day long, but what I found most irritating about it was the competitive macho atmosphere there, where one's manhood was established at the hand of how many beers one could drink in an hour, how many times you had been in bar fights, how many times you had insulted the cops as they pulled you over for driving under influence, and how big your penis was — or how big you thought it was. Seriously, I'm not kidding: some of those guys would regularly pull out their dicks and run around like that just to show off. And it got even gorier than that at times, but I'll spare you the details. It was so disgusting that my stomach turns inside out from simply thinking back to it. As brainless as the Belgian Army was, even they had more common decency.


:vom: :vom: :vom:

The mixed-gender environments where I've worked were always the best, and especially those environments where people had enjoyed a higher education. Conversations were intelligent and about more abstract and general subjects, whereby sexist topics and anything else that required an IQ below 100 were avoided in the most natural manner, simply because nobody there was interested in discussing them.

Anyway, just my two cents again, of course. ;)

Interesting...A psychologist once told me that the highest concentration of Borderline Personality Disordered is in the nursing profession...hmm.

I also once read an article by a quasi-feminist that stated the misogyny was acceptable and that an anologous term for men didn't even exist. Misandry seems pretty close to me.

[Aragorn]

Interesting...A psychologist once told me that the highest concentration of Borderline Personality Disordered is in the nursing profession...hmm.

Hmm... That has not been my experience. For most part, I would say that professional nurses are rather apathetic, and not dissimilar in that to the average cashier at the supermarket. They're simply going through the motions because at the end of the day, it puts food on the table.

The students are the ones with the most compassion and idealism. But often, that is not enough, if not considered undesirable. Hospitals are an industry like any other, and the machine has to be well-oiled and bring in money.


I also once read an article by a quasi-feminist that stated the misogyny was acceptable and that an anologous term for men didn't even exist. Misandry seems pretty close to me.

It's an officially recognized word, as you can read at the Free Dictionary (https://www.thefreedictionary.com/misandry). There is also a Wikipedia page about it (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misandry), from which I am quoting the first paragraph below. ;)










Misandry (/mɪˈsændri/ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA/English)) is the hatred of, contempt for, or prejudice against men (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men) or boys (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boys). It is parallel in form to misogyny (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misogyny), and either "misandrous" or "misandristic" can be used as adjective forms of the word.

Misandry can manifest itself in numerous ways, including sexual discrimination (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_discrimination), denigration of men, violence against men (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_against_men), sexual objectification of men (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_objectification), "or more broadly, the hatred, fear, anger and contempt of men".

[Dreamtimer]

Interesting all around. I have a few nurses in my family. They mostly complain about the attitudes of doctors. There are many more men going into nursing nowadays and I don't think most people think it's unusual anymore. It seems that there are more and more nurse practitioners these days.

[Elen]

It's all about respect…and that is NOT just another word.

A friend of mine (I'm glad to say), a building Engineer left his winter jacket in a shed on a site where he was doing odd jobs. When he came back for it this winter, he noticed a squeaking animal sounds, coming from the jacket and when he peeked inside, he discovered two bats that had chosen his jacket for shelter and hibernation for the winter. He loves animals, gardening and nature as a whole, so he quickly hung it back and hurried off to purchase a new jacket.

It's not difficult…I respect him a lot for those little things.

I know there are many difficult aspects between men and women, I DO KNOW! But is it helpful to always look at the differences and always try to outsmart each other? Nobody will ever win a war…NOBODY wins.

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[Dreamtimer]

If people try to label something I say as racist or sexist I straighten them out. I don't defend myself, I don't need to. I tell them that it's not racist and why. And if needed, I'll give a racist example for comparison. That can work as well as anything. I simply won't let people pigeon-hole me with their assumptions.

I have a lifetime of practice with my family. It's not just a modern thing for people to get all butt-hurt when they don't like someone else's words.

[Dumpster Diver]

If people try to label something I say as racist or sexist I straighten them out. I don't defend myself, I don't need to. I tell them that it's not racist and why. And if needed, I'll give a racist example for comparison. That can work as well as anything. I simply won't let people pigeon-hole me with their assumptions.

I have a lifetime of practice with my family. It's not just a modern thing for people to get all butt-hurt when they don't like someone else's words.

If people try to label something I say as racist or sexist I straighten them out. I don't defend myself, I don't need to. I tell them that it's not racist and why. And if needed, I'll give a racist example for comparison. That can work as well as anything. I simply won't let people pigeon-hole me with their assumptions.

I have a lifetime of practice with my family. It's not just a modern thing for people to get all butt-hurt when they don't like someone else's words.

Alright! Here’s Dreamy (twice) channeling her inner Dark Night Dumpy! You tell ‘em Dreamy!

If everyone worked on their own sh!t instead of judging others, this planet would be flying right. (Listen to me judging the judgers <sigh>)

[Dreamtimer]

I found this interesting. I love the combo of leaving the mormon church and its patriarchy and speaking out about the craziness of the SJWs.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs6OZ4kPkjw

[Elen]

I've got one for you Dreamtimer...;) A Doctor...dr. Who?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6QRnULIjv4&list=PLKEzuOOEQvYOujV1D4Dhu3DU1BkSeJ9VM&index=1