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Dumpster Diver
28th February 2018, 14:03
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsqZJP54shg

Important! This is a wrap up of all the space weather threats by Ben Davidson. Send this out to your friends.

Wind
28th February 2018, 14:58
"The critical issue in this presentation is whether the reversal is going to happen soon. It is undeniable that the general pole shift and field weakening have presented symptomatically of a reversal or significant excursion, and the only point both ESA/SWARM and MIT use to quell fear is that they believe it will take 1000s of years. The math of losing 5% per decade, and the potential for fast reversals, cast a shadow on such aspersions of safety."

http://news.berkeley.edu/2014/10/14/earths-magnetic-field-could-flip-within-a-human-lifetime/

WantDisclosure
28th February 2018, 16:28
https://youtu.be/nsqZJP54shg

Important! This is a wrap up of all the space weather threats by Ben Davidson. Send this out to your friends.

It's over an hour long.

The title is "Energy from Space | The Shift Has Begun."

Here's the Description; click on the link if you also want all his links that follow:



Suspicious0bservers
Published on Feb 27, 2018

The critical issue in this presentation is whether the reversal is going to happen soon. It is undeniable that the general pole shift and field weakening have presented symptomatically of a reversal or significant excursion, and the only point both ESA/SWARM and MIT use to quell fear is that they believe it will take 1000s of years. The math of losing 5% per decade, and the potential for fast reversals, cast a shadow on such aspersions of safety.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsqZJP54shg&feature=youtu.be

Barbarella
28th February 2018, 16:50
And why should the 'threat' suddenly be coming now? Looks to me like a mix of real facts (mostly taken out of context) made-up stuff, with lists of 'possibilities' - or more likely impossibilities.

Hasn't this sort of stuff been the doing the rounds in the alternative media for years and years? Anything happened yet? Someone give me a nudge when the sky starts falling in.

Another case of doom porn? Surely not...

Babs

Wind
28th February 2018, 17:18
Not doom porn, just facts. As he always says, no fear.

WantDisclosure
28th February 2018, 17:31
Not doom porn, just facts. As he always says, no fear.

Realistically speaking, what should the average person do in response to the information?

Barbarella
28th February 2018, 18:43
Realistically speaking, what should the average person do in response to the information?

Good question. There's so much there with all the proposed different effects, it's impossible to know what we're supposed to do with the data. As for its 'facts'... well the sun has been there since at least as long as the earth, and we're all still here. The earth's poles and magnetosphere have also swapped, moved and changed intensity. Again, we're all still here. maybe we're here becasue of all those real and imagined influences from the sun and deep space.

So what are the chances that - after over 4 billion years - we just happen to be hurting towards some very significant earth changes never seen before?

Aren't we much more likely to suffer from man-made environmental collapse than from any exterior force? Maybe some of us need to get our priorities in order...

Wind
28th February 2018, 19:24
Realistically speaking, what should the average person do in response to the information?

That's a good question. I'd say, not much other than to be aware of the possibility of it. Personally I think could be related to not only physical changes, but changes in the human consciousness. There's no way to know if it will happen during our lifetimes and it's not something I worry about. There are other matters I have to worry about more.

WantDisclosure
28th February 2018, 19:41
As for its 'facts'... well the sun has been there since at least as long as the earth, and we're all still here.

I don't think any of the people who are focusing on the problem think that the earth itself is going to be destroyed.

I think they're worried about a cataclysm that will have survivors who are in a very bad way. There have been disasters before in earth's history.

And they're wondering what it is that we should do to prepare for it.

For example, if only part of the planet were to be affected, could people and resources that were spared then come to their aid? I imagine something like military aircraft carriers being deployed for civilian use in a rescue mission.

No planning for disaster can take place, however, if we all pretend there's nothing to plan for.

Wind
28th February 2018, 20:25
There are many preppers out there, but I'm not one of them. There are some inevitable things which could come nevertheless. I feel that my destiny is not ultimately in my own hands and it is actually a quite comforting feeling, I have no fear about the end result on my own fate. However, if one considers about the long term wellbeing one of one's family in possibly dire situations, then some things could be taken into account. For example, food shortages could probably be a certain outcome in the near future when crops fail. Not in just the US or Europe, but in most places. In those kind of situations it helps to be self-sufficient or at least know someone who is self-sufficient and is able to provide the fruits of their efforts to others too. In those cases you can't expect the government or the supermarkets to provide for you anymore. How about your neighbours?

I do believe that our thoughts collectively do manifest certain outcomes and the rest is part of destiny. Some things will have to happen. If we imagine a future which is about thriving, then thrive we will. If we collectively imagine a future with a bleak outcome, then we most certainly will be getting that.

Dumpster Diver
28th February 2018, 21:24
And why should the 'threat' suddenly be coming now? Looks to me like a mix of real facts (mostly taken out of context) made-up stuff, with lists of 'possibilities' - or more likely impossibilities.

Hasn't this sort of stuff been the doing the rounds in the alternative media for years and years? Anything happened yet? Someone give me a nudge when the sky starts falling in.

Another case of doom porn? Surely not...

Babs

I’ve been talking about this for the last year, on and off, mostly on. Davidson has been talking about this for the last 4 years at least, and the data is getting worse over time.

The Kool-aid stand seems to not talk about it. And the lame-stream media doesn’t want folks to panic, yet.

...but in the last analysis, it’s info, do with it what you want.

Orbs
1st March 2018, 01:08
I'm not as smart as you guys. I posted a crystal video by Les Brown and nobody really cared. It is real knowledge I recommed highly. He has really cool props and explains how the Sun snd Earth/planets share energy.

My point is the are pals. Of course they are. Hey Orbs, what does that have to do with a NASA and Dutchsinse production?

Everything.

The Earth and her pal the Sun know what they are doing. I mean they really do. For example, at some point the satellites will have to be removed for the Earth snd humans to be free. Ah, that's psychobable Orbs!

Is it? I would bet the Earth and the Sun have a little plan see. The Earth slowly changes Her Atmosphere with a very high new layer(s) etc. why? Because She knows the Sun is going to make a move to get rid of those satalites and the Earth wants to protect life.

These NASA people are surely dectecting the changes and one of you accurately stated part truth, part BS etc.

Of course my version is psycho but these planets know what they are doing.The Earth let us abuse Her and She has been attacked. This threat is not believeable to so many but She has been dealing with it.

She can shrink and shake us off like fleas. You won't see that in NASA Film. The good news is She is expanding. You all know the glacier water is going somewhere and the oceans are getting larger.

Les Brown said something that needs to be shared. He said if everything was in balance there would be no movement. The planet is constantly trying to balance itself and all you really need to do is look at a mountain stream to see that.

My money is on the Earth. If so called scientists are picky no up on changes spinning it as troublesome they may be right to a certain extent. If satalites get taken out by the Sun I would imagine there would be collateral damage.

The truth usually lies somewhere in the middle... Excuse typos I'm sick in bed. Cheers!

Emil El Zapato
1st March 2018, 02:03
I read a little more of the research of the Berkeley Study. What they concluded was that according to their methods of measuring they had a 'sensitivity' of a 100 years time span (A century). They 'assumed' the flip likely happened in less than 25 years. Which if one thinks about it, would be a good thing. The less time the electromagnetic field is unstable the better. Accordingly our ancestors survived the last one.

Here is a measure of the 'energy' contained in standard cosmic rays:
"As the energy of the cosmic rays increases, the frequency of the particles decreases steeply. On arrival at the Earth, their path experiences less bending in the magnetic field and they penetrate deeper into the atmosphere. Particles with intermediate energy levels, around what is called the "Knee" of the spectrum, are called Very High Energy cosmic rays and they occur with a frequency of one per square meter per year. For the highest energy cosmic rays, above 1016 eV or what is called the "Ankle," the rate of events falls to one per square kilometer per century."

I'm listening to his tale of 'fried electronics' in various areas around the world. Those have been debunked as caused by mundane factors.

Currently, no theory can predict what would happen during the transition. Perhaps we will learn from experience... :chrs:


Realistically speaking, what should the average person do in response to the information?

Seriously, I would use a lot of sunscreen.

Orbs
1st March 2018, 02:09
I was going to mention SPF30 was not going to cut it. Nicely done not a pretender. Nothing wrong with a bit of humor.

Emil El Zapato
1st March 2018, 02:18
Not really trying to be funny though. I don't believe there is any geological or anthropological records for that matter of mass extinctions during that time frame which suggests what likely will be hit hardest are electronic devices. So now would be a good time (and I think it is already happening) to start 'hardening' electronics protection against 'neutron bombardment'. :)

SPF-300 maybe

Orbs
1st March 2018, 02:34
I'm willing to forfeit texting for a shot at unpoisioned air, water and food.

I honestly don't know any reason why the poles would shift. Energy flows from the sun into the North Pole and out the south. Either the Sun reverses its flow or the planet flips upside down.

For what purpose? Make toilets spin the other way? It's like saying the planets will stop and revolve the other way. Why?

Latitude and longitude are changing ever so slowly because the axis of the Earth is changing.

NASA Cannot be believed at all in my opinion. They skrewed us.

You all have fun with the science. I understand some of you really enjoy it. I do too just simple stuff.

enjoy being
1st March 2018, 07:08
There has indeed been a prolonged period of awareness of something being up with various factors of the Earth's base frequency, gravitational field, pole travelling.. and such from the list. In modern times? well Greg Bradden being one in a talk back in 1996 I recall for a start. The theory of Pluto and the Coming Photon belt, spoken of by many when it was coming in 1999. The cross over with that and the Mayan long count investigations, in which the 13 years from 1999 - 2012 were highlighted as being a stage, the age of revealing, the beginning of the energies of Pluto, compared to the arrival of Shiva on the horizon. Then the other matching prophecies of old cultures around the world. The Hopi, talking the Red Dawn and the Shift of the Ages, I forget off hand all the corresponding prophecies. Edgar Cayce included. Countless numbers of them really. And then scientific proof of pole shifts having happened in the past.

I find the reactions in the thread somewhat expected. A form of fear or projection I would offer. In my view, for all such cultures and persons to have taken the time in their various pasts to try and leave a message for the future, there was obviously something they were trying to tell 'us'. Some of the messages have corresponding symbolism, some don't.
To me the material is not of fear really, in that I see within the various messages, a large amount of homage paid to the events described. Yet I think there is a certain amount of warning within it. One of the reoccurring mentionings is of 3 days of darkness. Of the Sun rising from the opposite direction when it cameback. There's talk of the red skies, the skies of fire, of blood, talk of the mind, talk of the light showing up any speck of darkness which cannot be hidden. I recall conversations about those who wish to try and hide like rats in drainpipes, and how you can run but you can't hide. I recall some other mention of someone mentioning that there may be a short period where taking cover under at least 1m of 'soil' would help, but that Earth changes would also mean being buried alive if folk tried to stay underground for longer than the necessary times. There's talk of chaos, as the darkness within that has not been resolved in the population is cleansed. There's repeated imagery of leaving the cities in different prophecy. Concepts like, live by the sword die by the sword.
Oh yes, this whole field of topic is very strong indeed, maybe a subconscious tweaking to the psyche within people's ancestral memory in the shape of cataclysm fear.. could be partly responsible as to why such things get various reactions to.
Maybe it is one of the oldest fear porn tools that even affected ancient civs to the extent they rambled on about it many man moons ago... There's the dual sun theories and the Niburu variations. It is obviously has SOME kind of importance, whether it be evidence of some sort of psychological schism to understand, or and actual warning of an actual event. It hasn't been dropped, People keep coming back with it saying... now is the time, oh, no, now is the time. Surely irresponsible in one view, but in another, it is understandable it is hard to predict exactly when..
I just see a certain failure in logic to throw the toys out of the cot because someone, and someone else and others who all have done research enough to feel the 'thing' is real, got the date wrong or hadn't quite exactly described the thing that we all don't rightly know perfectly what is, perfectly.
Then there is Henny Penny and Foxy Loxy. The sky is falling dynamic. These scenarios, point out that some who wish not to listen, end up wishing they even slightly did.
Frommemory there's Cygnus X in the Belt/eye of Orion, where gamma rays penetrate the Earth and scientists have speculated and I think proven that at various points in history it has interacted with human DNA. There's the 70 year old prophecy (http://www.wisethinks.com/2015/05/70-year-old-prophecy-earth-will-soon-be.html#sthash.sJgJI73H.dpuf) that somewhat lines up with parts of Ben Davidson's reporting of scientific findings regards the cosmic dust cloud the Earth is coming out of and has been increasingly in recent decades or centuries.

I haven't watched your video yet Dumpster lol. I suppose it wouldn't hurt eh lol. Oh and one thing I read recently is one person's more recent prediction is June 22, they have had a few goes at other dates in the past. So is that reason to just throw away all avalanche of material interlaced in this topic and ignore? or buy a paddling pool and sit in it wetting one's pants 24/7? No not to me it doesn't. What do we do with the abstract avalanche? well be aware of it, that may be the most valuable thing anyone might learn in their whole time on "Alternative media" indexes. Maybe even prepare in more obvious and prudent ways.
Just my 2018 common cent mixture. Salty caramel. Mmm. Oh.
Man I am tired. zzzz

Here's one bit from Mr 22/6/18 or for you backward folk 6/22/18
http://www.human-resonance.org/mandala.html

And here's another somewhat unrelated Easter egg for Dumpster from my random links list http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/

Aragorn
1st March 2018, 10:48
I honestly don't know any reason why the poles would shift. Energy flows from the sun into the North Pole and out the south. Either the Sun reverses its flow or the planet flips upside down.

You are conflating the geological poles and the magnetic poles — they are two very different things, and they're not even located in the same places. ;)

The geological poles are not likely to flip. That would require a complete displacement of Earth's mantle, and this in itself would most definitely wipe out all life on Earth because of the shock waves and the tsunamis. Nevertheless, the Earth's crust does move over time, as it's floating atop of liquid magma, and it's not a contiguous peace of rock either. There are many tectonic plates which roughly fit together like the pieces of a sloppily designed puzzle, and they shift in relation to one another due to magma displacement, gravitational effects from the sun, the moon and the other planets of our solar system, and of course also because of the spinning and wobbling of the Earth itself.

A magnetic pole reversal on the other hand is quite possible, and has already occurred many times in the past. Bombardment of the Earth — or more precisely, of the magnetosphere — with highly energized plasma and particles from the sun can bring that about. It's an electromagnetic phenomenon. It wouldn't kill anyone, but it would certainly disrupt the natural navigational abilities of certain migrating species — such as pigeons, certain types of fish, et al — and it would of course also render all extant electronic navigation systems completely useless.


For what purpose? Make toilets spin the other way? It's like saying the planets will stop and revolve the other way. Why?

No, that has nothing to do with the magnetic poles. The way water spins in toilets and sinks stems from the rotation of Earth, and Earth would still be rotating the same way and would still be pointing "up". But compasses and other devices relying on Earth's magnetism would become defective.

For instance, even an old-fashioned regular compass with a magnetized needle would start showing the South as being the North — never even mind what it would do to satellite navigation systems. ;)

Orbs
1st March 2018, 11:10
I have never heard of a geological pole shift in my entire life until now. I've never heard it talked about.

What proof exists a pole shift has occurred?

Aragorn
1st March 2018, 11:55
I have never heard of a geological pole shift in my entire life until now. I've never heard it talked about.

What proof exists a pole shift has occurred?

Well, it's a hypothesis — at least, when we're talking of the geographic pole shift. The theory has not been conclusively proven. I am just going to quote an excerpt below from the Wikipedia article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pole_shift_hypothesis).










The cataclysmic pole shift hypothesis suggests that there have been geologically rapid shifts in the relative positions of the modern-day geographic locations of the poles and the axis of rotation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_of_rotation) of the Earth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth), creating calamities such as floods and tectonic events.

There is evidence of precession (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precession) and changes in axial tilt (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axial_tilt), but this change is on much longer time-scales and does not involve relative motion of the spin axis with respect to the planet. However, in what is known as true polar wander (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True_polar_wander), the solid Earth can rotate with respect to a fixed spin axis. Research shows that during the last 200 million years a total true polar wander of some 30° has occurred, but that no super-rapid shifts in the Earth's pole were found during this period. A characteristic rate of true polar wander is 1° or less per million years. Between approximately 790 and 810 million years ago, when the supercontinent (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercontinent) Rodinia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodinia) existed, two geologically rapid phases of true polar wander may have occurred. In each of these, the magnetic poles of the Earth shifted by approximately 55°.










Further reading here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pole_shift_hypothesis). And as for the magnetic pole reversal, I'm going to defer to this Wikipedia page here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geomagnetic_reversal). ;)

Dreamtimer
1st March 2018, 14:28
Deunov was discussed in this thread (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/6922-70-Year-Old-Prophecy-The-Earth-Will-Soon-Be-Swept-By-Extraordinary-Rapid-Waves-of-Cosmic-Electricity?highlight=Deunov) a couple years ago.

Dumpster Diver
1st March 2018, 14:36
Realistically speaking, what should the average person do in response to the information?

Well, for one, fight for Disclosure. The Deep State has the tech to get us off the planet. The longer they fvck about, the shorter time we have, and perhaps that’s the point. They get themselves and their buddies off to a new earth-eden while we fry in our own juices.

The last near swap, the Younger Dryas, which may be the Atlantian wipe-out, sounds like only a few “humans” survived it and the earth had to be “repopulated.”

I’m 70 on my next b’day. I’ve lived a very full, fun, and happy life. If it ends tomorrow, I had a great time, no regrets. At the same time, I’ve taken a few precautions. I live in a bunkered house, putting up massive solar panels, getting an electric car, buying books, tools, food for a long haul. Moving to Sedona is part of it, as it is a pretty enlightened, help-the-other-guy-out kinda place as well, and that was in the plan. Call me a semi-prepper, perhaps.

But I’ve made my peace with it all. Besides, like you, I’m immortal and the rollercoaster ahead just might be a real learning experience. And it might even be fun.

Barbarella
1st March 2018, 15:38
Some folks are still confusing geographic and magnetic poles? :shocked:

Aragorn
1st March 2018, 18:08
Some folks are still confusing magnetic poles and magnetic poles? :shocked:

Well, you have to admit that it's actually quite easy to mistake a magnetic pole for a magnetic pole.... :p


Hint: It always helps to proof-read your post before submitting it. :onthequite:

Barbarella
1st March 2018, 18:20
(Oops! Thanks. Now corrected. To much gin I guess.)



Hint: It always helps to proof-read your post before submitting it. :onthequite:

(Oops! Thanks. Now corrected. Too much gin I guess.)

Emil El Zapato
1st March 2018, 18:56
I have never heard of a geological pole shift in my entire life until now. I've never heard it talked about.

What proof exists a pole shift has occurred?

Immanuel Velikovsky is a good source for 'Catastrophism'. Main stream science says 'Nay'. Electric Universers say 'Yay!' I like Velikovsky's theories because they are exciting and took place in the 'distant past'. A good place for them. I loaned one of his books to a co-worker once and then the guy claimed it was his book in the 1st place...what a.....

Dumpster Diver
1st March 2018, 19:05
Here’s the problem with geographical pole shift. It has been postulated the the Earth’s crust can move (like an orange under its peel). Matter of fact, it was the underlying premise in the Movie 2012. Something like that happened in our past because tropical plants have been found around the South Pole and North Pole.

So the geo pole is not moving, but the crust is. To us fleas on the surface, it amounts to the same tho.

Barbarella
1st March 2018, 19:32
Here’s the problem with geographical pole shift. It has been postulated the the Earth’s crust can move (like an orange under its peel). Matter of fact, it was the underlying premise in the Movie 2012. Something like that happened in our past because tropical plants have been found around the South Pole and North Pole.

So the geo pole is not moving, but the crust is. To us fleas on the surface, it amounts to the same tho.

The earth's crust moves at about the rate that your fingernails grow. And that's mostly only around the tectonic plate subduction zones and ridges, although occasionally much faster when surfaces 'snap' in an earthquake.

The geographic poles are the points around which the earth spins so this is not the same thing at all as you suggest. Think of the geographic poles as the mounts for the classroom globe. The moon helps stabilize that axis and although there is some minor wobble in the earth's obliquity (which oscillates between 22.1 and 24.5 degrees on a 41,000-year cycle) it is at present 23.5 degrees.

Fossil records of tropical plants have indeed been found at very northerly and southerly locations. This isn't just due to continental drift, but also very much warmer temperatures.

Where is all this stuff about the earth's supposed axis shift coming from? Very simple research will show it's all complete nonsense, or am I assuming a greater understanding than there really is amongst alternative forums and websites?

Dumpster Diver
1st March 2018, 19:46
The earth's crust moves at about the rate that your fingernails grow. And that's mostly only around the tectonic plate subduction zones and ridges, although occasionally much faster when surfaces 'snap' in an earthquake.

The geographic poles are the points around which the earth spins so this is not the same thing at all as you suggest. Think of the geographic poles as the mounts for the classroom globe. The moon helps stabilize that axis and although there is some minor wobble in the earth's obliquity (which oscillates between 22.1 and 24.5 degrees on a 41,000-year cycle) it is at present 23.5 degrees.

Fossil records of tropical plants have indeed been found at very northerly and southerly locations. This isn't just due to continental drift, but also very much warmer temperatures.

Where is all this stuff about the earth's supposed axis shift coming from? Very simple research will show it's all complete nonsense, or am I assuming a greater understanding than there really is amongst alternative forums and websites?

Well, tropical vegetation does not grow in the arctic regions. There’s your proof. We had some sort of shift there.

News for you on science as well: Much, if not all has been bent so much of what you have been taught is mostly wrong.

...hard for me to say this as I’m a pretty hard core scientist myself.

Aragorn
1st March 2018, 21:07
Much, if not all has been bent so much of what you have been taught is mostly wrong.

Um, no, Dumptruck Driver, she's actually correct in what she says. Being taught something is one thing, understanding how things work is another, and if what you have been taught agrees with your understanding and with your observations, then there's a very good chance that it was correct in the first place, or at the very least that what you have been taught was on the right track.

There is so much woo-woo and fear porn going round within this so-called alternative community that it overshadows the real issues. The so-called alternative community is making a joke of itself. And undoubtedly, that is without a shred of doubt exactly what the rulers of this world want.

enjoy being
1st March 2018, 21:40
Yeah haha, so many self appointed authorities trying to constantly put each other right. *Beats chest* that's definitely pretty funny when we know noone really knows much at all and those that think they do are most likely to be setting themselves up the bomb.

Orbs
1st March 2018, 23:24
There are a few explanations for some of the things you all enjoy discussing. Ultimately it is a choice.

Plants at the poles shows the climate was different. A reverse Mack a hooka delta tango niner angstrom Wave to the infinity power squared doesn't explain history. It never will.

I admire how you all speak of science, and gin, in your quest. I post about advanced technology and focus on seeing it. I don't know how the ships really move but I feel it is electromagnetism. It can't be anti gravity. Why?

Because there is zero gravity between galaxies. Even between the Earth and the moon. You can't harvest zero. To travel point A to B my fine scientific friends cannot be done by anti gravity.

Roswell is a clue. Very powerful generators were turned on and a vessel or two fell from the sky. It neutralized them.

As above so below. A galaxy is like an atom. Why do think those sick tards say that?

The Trumpet is piping off lately. The secret war is not so secret. We live in a time of massive change. Interesting as hell so many of you see it from different angles.

Dumpster Diver
2nd March 2018, 00:46
There are a few explanations for some of the things you all enjoy discussing. Ultimately it is a choice.

Plants at the poles shows the climate was different. A reverse Mack a hooka delta tango niner angstrom Wave to the infinity power squared doesn't explain history. It never will.

I admire how you all speak of science, and gin, in your quest. I post about advanced technology and focus on seeing it. I don't know how the ships really move but I feel it is electromagnetism. It can't be anti gravity. Why?

Because there is zero gravity between galaxies. Even between the Earth and the moon. You can't harvest zero. To travel point A to B my fine scientific friends cannot be done by anti gravity.

Roswell is a clue. Very powerful generators were turned on and a vessel or two fell from the sky. It neutralized them.

As above so below. A galaxy is like an atom. Why do think those sick tards say that?

The Trumpet is piping off lately. The secret war is not so secret. We live in a time of massive change. Interesting as hell so many of you see it from different angles.

I was paid serious money by the US Military to “think outside the box.” Now I simply do the same for you alt-world freaky-weirdos. You’re welcome. :onthequite:

enjoy being
2nd March 2018, 00:46
Art. Mainly enjoy talking about art. I'm just bored and procrastinating really. Philosophy psychology sociology, I guess. Could care less about science, maths, gin, and UFOs personally. :-p

enjoy being
2nd March 2018, 01:15
Oh actually, science of painting and the maths of art, don't see any use for gin and UFOs though. Hey funny, I get paid to think outside the square too!

enjoy being
2nd March 2018, 05:17
And like they say, the Poles are often shifting, and have been for ages.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/JrgJq1MbbWg/maxresdefault.jpg

Orbs
2nd March 2018, 06:46
Ok Nothing, the Polish people was kinda funny. I'll give you that.

Btw, I don't deal with UFO's. I know what they are.

I don't understand why the poles would shift do I thought to participate. People look for explanations of historical events to apply to the present/future. Fair enough.

enjoy being
2nd March 2018, 07:42
Keeping it light, on full moon night.
Answers may be in a word play.
In our choices as you say.
Word choices, tempting raised voices.
Questions of forces, of universe
Mass debating the mess and worse?
The magnetism,
the polaritease,
our pluses and minuses,
negatives and posituses,
The energy within the clashes of poles,
constant trade off's of words and roles.
Perhaps a metaphorical,
of the dual/duel/drool.
The length of squabble,
affecting the wobble?
The jump to take guilt,
affecting the tilt?
A torsion field, keeping it real,
Uncle Atlas 'olding 'is own,
Ours.. n hours the pillars are proppin,
stoppin the toplin, of our 'omes.
Like when the wind stops,
the plump sail flops.
Like a beautifully poetic game of musical chairs.

WantDisclosure
2nd March 2018, 10:57
Well, for one, fight for Disclosure. The Deep State has the tech to get us off the planet.
Yes, they do.



. . . the Younger Dryas, which may be the Atlantian wipe-out, sounds like only a few “humans” survived it and the earth had to be “repopulated.”
I had never heard the term “Younger Dryas.”

I see there is a Wikipedia article about it, and the first reference for the article is A.E. Carlson of the University of Wisconsin, author of “The Younger Dryas Climate Event,” which appears in a 10 page PDF (http://people.oregonstate.edu/~carlsand/carlson_encyclopedia_Quat_2013_YD.pdf) in a section of the Encyclopedia of Quaternary Science.


Call me a semi-prepper, perhaps.
I have two grown sons living near me and one grandchild.

I tried doing that years ago, but it turned out to be absolutely overwhelming.

I’m always looking for new ideas, however.

Orbs
2nd March 2018, 11:49
If we leave the planet where would we go?

The Earth is our home. I'm staying as long as I'm in my human suit.

My view on cataclysmic events is based on what Chris Thomas has written. Best I have heard so I go with it. Two events that caused massive destruction had nothing to do with the Earth being pissed off or a pole whatever. She did shrink around 500 ad I think. Other than that She nurtures life.

There is no effing way I would get on a ship to leave other than a joy ride.

I say all the time She can shake us off like fleas. My money is on Her shrinking. I imagine there would be little to no warning.

Oh shoot, have to get back to work... ha ha ha Sucks to be poor.

WantDisclosure
2nd March 2018, 12:04
If we leave the planet where would we go?

Perhaps onto a spacecraft equipped with a whole city with vegetation and advanced technology.

Aragorn
2nd March 2018, 12:29
TI admire how you all speak of science, and gin, in your quest. I post about advanced technology and focus on seeing it. I don't know how the ships really move but I feel it is electromagnetism. It can't be anti gravity. Why?

Because there is zero gravity between galaxies. Even between the Earth and the moon.

Well, that's where you're wrong, Orbs. ;)

First of all, there most certainly is gravity between galaxies, and between Earth and the moon. Gravity is not a force. It is a distortion of the fabric of spacetime, brought about by anything that has mass. The masses of galaxies do have an effect on each other across the vast distances of space by the amount that they distort spacetime. The apparent absence of gravity aboard a spaceship such as the Space Shuttle or the International Space Station is actually scientifically (and more correctly) referred to as "a low gravity condition".

And apart from moons, planets, stars, solar systems, galaxies and galactic clusters, there are also the various types of black holes, which are enormous gravity wells. They are commonly believed to have been stars that have collapsed in on themselves under their enormous mass, and their mass is concentrated in such a relatively small region of space that the spacetime distortion doesn't even allow light to escape.

That's why they're called black holes. They do emit light, like any other star, but their escape velocity (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_velocity) is higher than the speed of light, and therefore even light cannot escape the gravitational distortion. The best way of thinking of a black hole is that it's a relatively small and usually spherical region in space where all dimensions cease to exist, including time.

The black holes at the centers of galaxies are called supermassive black holes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermassive_black_hole) and they are the biggest. Their gravitational pull — read: the extent by which they distort the fabric of spacetime — is so enormous that they hold all of the stars in the galaxy together in orbit around them.

Secondly, that which is commonly called "anti-gravity" either doesn't have anything to do with gravity, in which case it may be an inverse electric field which provides lift inside an atmosphere — similar to an electrostatic lifter (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionocraft) — or else it does have to do with gravity, but not with the existing and natural gravity caused by objects with mass.

What the so-called alternative community calls anti-gravity propulsion is actually a type of artificial black hole, which pulls the ship forward by distorting spacetime in front of the ship. It is similar — albeit not identical — to the principle of a warp drive as laid out by the Mexican scientist Miguel Alcubierre (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive).

Dumpster Diver
2nd March 2018, 12:34
And like they say, the Poles are often shifting, and have been for ages.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/JrgJq1MbbWg/maxresdefault.jpg

:hilarious::hilarious:

Nice...

...why didn’t I think of that???

Aragorn
2nd March 2018, 14:28
And like they say, the Poles are often shifting, and have been for ages.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/JrgJq1MbbWg/maxresdefault.jpg



https://cdn.iwastesomuchtime.com/722012014755tumblrm1ys71hoxi1r3k73wo1400.jpeg

:ttr:



:back to topic::back to topic::back to topic::back to topic::back to topic:

Orbs
3rd March 2018, 00:06
I don't know everyone. I have a nasty cough. Lots of people I know do. Wtf are they spraying lately?

We have guns up the wazoo here but we get sprayed like nowhere I know. Its sad folks.

Emil El Zapato
3rd March 2018, 03:25
the flu bug

Orbs
3rd March 2018, 08:23
Keeptrying, the whole chakra thing? It starts with the root chakra. We are literally rooted to the planet. I don't know how long we can live without it. Makes you wonder about Bases etc.

I don't know how long I would want to live without it. For now, I am an Earthling. A spaceship would be fun for a while but it makes a planet look like a miricle...

Just saying...

enjoy being
3rd March 2018, 08:46
Perhaps onto a spacecraft equipped with a whole city with vegetation and advanced technology.
https://viewfrommiddleclass.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/wall-e-people.jpg


Keeptrying, the whole chakra thing? It starts with the root chakra. We are literally rooted to the planet. I don't know how long we can live without it. Makes you wonder about Bases etc.

I don't know how long I would want to live without it. For now, I am an Earthling. A spaceship would be fun for a while but it makes a planet look like a miricle...

Just saying...

http://www.ronnestam.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/All-your-base-are-belong-to-us.jpg

"Someone set us up the bomb".

I think all the people who like the idea of exploring space should hurry up and do so and not come back. But unfortunately, they probably would intend to return.

https://vhistory.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/stark-nypd-blue-tape-1615.jpg?w=620
Reference to Ben Elton's book, Stark. I was going to put the book cover but this was prettier.

Orbs
3rd March 2018, 09:37
Pretend, many of us are getting a lung virus of sorts. A friend yesterday said he and his wife got it. Said she coughed so hard he thought blood was going to come out. So hard he thought she was going to fall down.

I had a 30 second cough I won't be forgetting anytime soon. Yet we don't have the flu.

My buddy and I blame spraying. A good cabalist would laugh and say prove it. Most people don't care to prove it because they are at church worshipping. They will never believe unmanned jet powered drowns deploy weapons of mass destruction over densely population metropolitan areas including children's playgrounds.

We are outnumbered huge...

WantDisclosure
3rd March 2018, 10:07
. I have a nasty cough. Lots of people I know do. Wtf are they spraying lately?.
My sister-in-law was hospitalized recently in relation to what you're saying. I won't give the graphic details.

I've been thinking the same thing.


Keeptrying, the whole chakra thing? It starts with the root chakra. We are literally rooted to the planet. I don't know how long we can live without it. Makes you wonder about Bases etc.
I think there is probably technology that would create the environment we require.

Emil El Zapato
3rd March 2018, 12:32
Hi Nothing,

Where I work I have two people in close proximity have been coughing there brains out. I'm sensitive to indoor mold spores and everytime the central air is running, I'm liable to to start coughing...been doing that for years...so I don't think it's anything new for me.

I think one of the people at work is dying. I've heard her talk to estate handling people and such.

Before my daughter was born I was ready to go to space and not return. I would have volunteered for the no return trip to Mars. As a youngster my ambition was to be the 1st person on Mars.

Dumpster Diver
3rd March 2018, 14:25
Well, fleas won’t last long without a dog...we’ll just have to get a new dog (planet).

...another cool thing about Sedona, virtually no air pollution. Chemtrails don’t last long either. Now When I go back to San Diego, I feel like I’m breathing soup.

Orbs
3rd March 2018, 21:50
I am deeply sorry some of you have loveed ones or friends going through the lung virus bullpoop.

I'm sorry. I didn't expect it.

Emil El Zapato
3rd March 2018, 22:02
I am deeply sorry some of you have loveed ones or friends going through the lung virus bullpoop.

I'm sorry. I didn't expect it.

I apologize Orbs, I should have addressed that last post to you...for some reason, I was thinking it was Nothing that had posted it... :)

Orbs
3rd March 2018, 22:39
No worries Pretender. Our concerns are mutual.

I'm not surprised at the scope of this. I'm living it. Then again, I am surprised. It's so wide spread.

We know old people. Well, many of us do. They are very vulnerable.

Again, I'm sorry...

WantDisclosure
3rd March 2018, 22:53
I am deeply sorry some of you have loveed ones or friends going through the lung virus bullpoop.

I'm sorry. I didn't expect it.

Here's the thing.

A "virus" may be a fiction.

It is very complicated.

I have been researching for years, but I haven't been able to answer my questions.

Here are my sources, off the top of my head:

Stefan Lanka (http://www.virusmyth.com/aids/hiv/mcinterviewsl.htm)

Dr. Ryke Geerd Hamer (http://www.newmedicine.ca/german-new-medicine.php)

Professor Pierre Jacques Antoine Bechamp (http://www.whale.to/v/germ.htm)

Orbs
3rd March 2018, 23:39
Hard to say Keeptrying. The rabbit hole goes deep. I depend on my soul to let me know if things are true. Most laugh at that.

Some believe it is all energy in different forms. A virus is no exception. I suppose it could be an energy pattern different then we are told.

I want to loose my cough. Hard to think of it as energy when part of your lung is on the steering wheel...

WantDisclosure
4th March 2018, 00:57
I depend on my soul to let me know if things are true. Most laugh at that.
I don't.

Orbs
4th March 2018, 04:25
I have done my share of research so I rephrase and say my soul has the final say at times.

I don't do a lot of research anymore.

From what I can tell Ed remaims in jail. Website down. YouTube channel gone I think. I caught a few minutes of news yesterday. They awarded $275,000 to each victim of the Vegas shooting?

Ed put out intel that was a hoax. Looks like quite a bit of activity while he is gone. Not sure what to say on this one. It seems to be a major twist.

I forgot this thread was about poles shifting. Sorry.

WantDisclosure
4th March 2018, 12:39
From what I can tell Ed remaims in jail. Website down. YouTube channel gone I think. . . . Ed put out intel that was a hoax. Looks like quite a bit of activity while he is gone.
Is the person Ed well known to everyone from another thread?

Aragorn
4th March 2018, 12:59
From what I can tell Ed remaims in jail. Website down. YouTube channel gone I think. . . . Ed put out intel that was a hoax. Looks like quite a bit of activity while he is gone.

Is the person Ed well known to everyone from another thread?

I believe his name is Ed Chiarini. Orbs has brought him up a couple of times already on other threads. :hmm:

WantDisclosure
4th March 2018, 14:20
The title is "Energy from Space | The Shift Has Begun."
Dumpster, please define "shift" as you believe Ben Davidson means it in the title of his video.

Dumpster Diver
4th March 2018, 14:47
Dumpster, please define "shift" as you believe Ben Davidson means it in the title of his video.

Shifting your mind perhaps?

...also, there were a lot more “WTF” sun presentations at this year’s sun scientist conference that Ben hosts each year. That might be the shift he was talking about.

WantDisclosure
4th March 2018, 17:47
Well, for one, fight for Disclosure. The Deep State has the tech to get us off the planet

Perhaps at the same time, we should be working on a plan for a solution in the event that we can't get Disclosure.

Suppose only one hemisphere gets hit, and there are survivors without electricity say, for the sake of argument, five years.

The other hemisphere is spared.

Why couldn't military and civilian resources belonging to the spared hemisphere be used to come to the aid of the survivors on the other side of the world? For example, pick them up on ships, as immigrants?

This is a mind-bobbling scenario, but in real disasters, people do extraordinary things, because most people want to help their fellow human, when they can.

Dumpster Diver
4th March 2018, 17:54
Perhaps at the same time, we should be working on a plan for a solution in the event that we can't get Disclosure.

Suppose only one hemisphere gets hit, and there are survivors without electricity say, for the sake of argument, five years.

The other hemisphere is spared.

Why couldn't military and civilian resources belonging to the spared hemisphere be used to come to the aid of the survivors on the other side of the world? For example, pick them up on ships, as immigrants?

This is a mind-bobbling scenario, but in real disasters, people do extraordinary things, because most people want to help their fellow human, when they can.

Sure, the “On The Beach” scenario. But if DW is correct, this sun-earth electronic link (mega zap) will be strong enough to zap the AI and will come in thru the magnetic poles and zap everyone from the inside out, i.e. no where to hide.

He also goes on to say there will be three groups: the negatives, who will go thru a death cycle, the folks who haven’t made a clear choice to be positive or negative will be moved to a new planet, and us sainted good guys, will live on in a new 4D Earth :onthequite:

WantDisclosure
4th March 2018, 18:30
Sure, the “On The Beach” scenario. But if DW is correct, this sun-earth electronic link (mega zap) will be strong enough to zap the AI and will con in thru the magnetic poles and zap everyone from the inside out, i.e. no where to hide.

He also goes on to say there will be three groups: the negatives, who will go thru a death cycle, the folks who haven’t made a clear choice to be positive or negative, and us sainted good guys. :onthequite:

But just in case that theory is wrong, what do you think of my idea?

I wonder whether any good guys with resources at their disposal are thinking along the lines I've described.



SuspiciousObservers
Published on Feb 27, 2018

The critical issue in this presentation is whether the reversal is going to happen soon. It is undeniable that the general pole shift and field weakening have presented symptomatically of a reversal or significant excursion, and the only point both ESA/SWARM and MIT use to quell fear is that they believe it will take 1000s of years. The math of losing 5% per decade, and the potential for fast reversals, cast a shadow on such aspersions of safety.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsqZJP54shg


Ben Davidson is talking about a magnetic and not physical pole shift there?

Aragorn
4th March 2018, 18:55
Suppose only one hemisphere gets hit, and there are survivors without electricity say, for the sake of argument, five years.

The other hemisphere is spared.

Why couldn't military and civilian resources belonging to the spared hemisphere be used to come to the aid of the survivors on the other side of the world? For example, pick them up on ships, as immigrants?

They most likely would. It's called "conquest". :grin:

Dumpster Diver
4th March 2018, 20:20
Btw, I updated my post and corrected my post. Just realized I left some stuff out.

Orbs
5th March 2018, 00:20
I don't think there is a power that bees that's going to help any useless eater.

I know that label is sick but it makes the point. What is sad is I don't eat that much. Ha ha ha I'm just useless....

enjoy being
5th March 2018, 01:16
Sure, the “On The Beach” scenario. But if DW is correct, this sun-earth electronic link (mega zap) will be strong enough to zap the AI and will come in thru the magnetic poles and zap everyone from the inside out, i.e. no where to hide.

He also goes on to say there will be three groups: the negatives, who will go thru a death cycle, the folks who haven’t made a clear choice to be positive or negative will be moved to a new planet, and us sainted good guys, will live on in a new 4D Earth :onthequite:

The two earth, New earth or 2-3 group thing has been mentioned by a few different sources over the years, trying to recall who. One being an offline buddy who is pretty uncanny with his ability to "converse with the other realms" and doesn't use the internet. Some of his other past predictions haven't fully come to pass though, but in a changing timeline way, like he got the Japan earthquake time right but had said it was going to have large areas sink under the sea. Much of the things that were going to happen have been less in severity ...so far.

Wind
5th March 2018, 06:32
Dolores Cannon talked about the new Earth too. Perhaps it's possible that we will reincarnate to a higher dimensional Earth after we die as Earth is shifting at this time too, but it's hard to imagine how long such things could take in human years. The age of Aquarius has barely even begun and a time of purification is coming now.

enjoy being
5th March 2018, 07:18
I will also add that the person I referred to more recently still claims that humanity will be extinct sooner than later, like, in a hundred or so years maybe.
Speculate speculate.
I don't really care to subscribe to or not subscribe to so-called 2 Earth's or 250 trillion time lines, and all those such vague and challenging notions. Some of it I might metaphorically write down on slips of paper and file away in case one or two become actually visible in reality, but I really don't have the inclination to commit any more to it than that. I am fascinated by history mystery, where there may be physical evidence of civilizations knowing more than we do about some things. But even then it is just as slips of paper to hold in reference for a later time. No way can I draw any conclusions. I recognise most stuff can become distraction if you let it.

But the state of sun and gravity, that's got some firm ground, I think. While still being aware of relying on the words and research of others. For the most part as I have spent my life doing other things. To be honest, I don't care which way it goes out of self interest or anything, I certainly don't like the current shape of the civilisation, so I guess I hope it gets better. But I also understand that in a physical state, some things may need to be so bad for change to happen and that change could easily include the civilisation being destroyed, or even half of it, lives lost, and the rest being shown their true selves. Anything is pretty exciting compared to "more of the same". Somewhere in amongst it, I do hope to perhaps catch a glimpse of something real, that is of the spiritual world, maybe see a real miracle, knowing a genuine miracle may not appear obvious until after the fact and you look back at all that took place. Chances are I may not get to see that if it happens anyway. I have a funny relationship with hope, it would be good to hope to witness some form of miracle, but hey, if I am not good enough or lucky enough, I'm not going to hope in such a way that one is hoping blindly, or hoping for self ahead of the greater good in which one would seem to be okay with compromising the end result.

This is sort of a response to fit into a few threads. Willing to be a 'hopefully benevolent' hypocrite and again bleat on and on holding the floor. Maybe some of my stupidity will prompt some use, maybe it wont. I don't really care how I appear too much, I sort of accentuate it a bit just to give people something to read as not much 'giving' happens here or anywhere else. People are very welcome to tell me to shut up or pick away, I would make use of it in some way if I can find a use.

Orbs
5th March 2018, 09:26
It is hard to argue multiple time lines etc. Nothing. I want nothing (no pun intended) to do with it either. Here we are. Spinning on Earth. We make choices. Blah blah blah

This thread started with some event that may happen. I guess the poles could flip? Nobody has produced any proof because none exists. I mean that respectfully.

SSP or not, we don't have anywhere else to go. They will not invite me to the moon or Mars and I don't want to live there anyway.

Wind
5th March 2018, 11:11
I'm not always sure what to think about the multiverse-theory or timeline theories either. Some people say that the timeline where Hillary was supposed to be the next prez would have ended in a nuclear war. Who knows what might happen on "this" timeline then. At times it looks really bad and I still think that the future holds many dangers ahead, but also after the rough patch which may last from years to generations a new prosperous Earth and humanity will emerge, consciousness-wise.

I actually don't believe that a full blown nuclear war would be allowed, but it's another thing what Mother Earth might do to us with it's storms which are influenced by the sun and the space weather. Such storms are not manmade, they're barely influenced by humans. This current incarnation we are having now will be one of the most important ones karmically speaking, I feel. Especially because the fate of humanity is at stake now and everything is about to change... For the better or worse. Depending on that our next incarnations might be much easier to handle or not. Everything else can be compromised, but the worst kind of catastrophe is if you allow the integrity of your soul to be compromised. Just my thoughts for now.

Orbs
5th March 2018, 11:47
The soul is a big part of my life... Good advice Wind

Dreamtimer
5th March 2018, 11:54
This phrase is spot on, imo: "...the worst kind of catastrophe is if you allow the integrity of your soul to be compromised."

Without question had I done that in this life I'd already be dead. Compromising my soul literally would have ended my life. The two are closely linked imo.

Maggie
5th March 2018, 18:13
I listened to a podcast with Randall carlson the other day. As some may know, Carlson is a proponent of the hypothesis that around 12,800 years ago the Younger Dryas period of return to ice age conditions was precipitated at the end of the last ice age. The reason was an earth HIT by a "cometary" event. This bolide or more likely a series of bolides literally strafed the North American continent. Fire covered at least 10% of the planet. The megafauna in North America were wiped out. The "clovis" people disappeared and scientists know it was a world wide catastrophy. If Atlantis is short hand for a world wide culture, it was apparently what ended Atlantis.

Then sometime later, apparently, some "teachers" globally restarted civilization by providing important technology of agriculture etc. to survivers. The Hopi and others say this was just another age of several. They took refuge with the "Ant People" underground. It seems clear that there have been waves of high level civilization and periodic disruptions and people have survived. That this happens periodically is IMO just common sense. Those who don't grok that fact have no common sense. Sorry if that is sounding judgemental but IMO the important synthesis that leads to practical intelligence is missing widely.

Carlson suggested that if we care about preserving our heritage (meaning the sum total of modern knowledge) it might be an important idea to store all the knowledge of our civilization on the moon. A disaster like previous ones is fairly inevitable in the catastrophist model. Lately more and more bollides are appearing. Carlson noted that this increase is a message to us about our vulnerability.

I started thinking about all of these ideas WAY before it was popular and I bet a huge number of thinking people have also thought about the issue. In fourth grade even, when we looked at the "Egyptians" (in quotes because what was taught was all misguided), it was OBVIOUS that civilization is not stable.

I am not excited and happy to think about the end of the world. Storing everything on the moon about us seems like a futile gesture because if we lose modern civilization, how would we access the records? If it is just to say "we were here", that seems like a futility too.

My own concern is for practical skills of the people who lived just a couple of hundred years ago in my geographic locatoion or even now live in less "globalized" parts of the world. "Modern civilization" is a thin skin which could be shredded easily. If disasters were small but repeated without the chance to recoup, I think we might see modern day "Rome" FALL (if we liken the ELECTRIC/electronic western and eastern oil driven civilization to be a new Rome). That would be a dark time (literally).

I don't think we need bollides to end civilization because IF we have stuff we have NO IDEA how to create, even a slight hiccough of a couple of years of very bad weather could wreck the power grid and there might be the slightest ripple ultimately ending the chain of consumption. Then in a chaotic state, we have lost people in a lost world as the end time sci fi denotes.

I am not sure that the USA is the only prepubescent culture. I think 8 and 9 year olds are old enough to carry on with guidannce but left alone have NO skills and NO discernmnet and IMO western civilization is a whole culture based on being "managed". The "chains" of command of all our systems need "stability" to be maintained. People need "orders" when all only know how to be cogs placed in a machine.

Given even just the smallest perturbation, IMO, we have nothing to hold onto. We may seem like we drive a fancy race car but IMO we are driving towards a brick wall at a fast pace.

Emil El Zapato
5th March 2018, 20:20
All reasons to get off this planet...man's/woman's destiny and all that...to return to the stars ...even the academy if all else fails ... :)

Wind
6th March 2018, 01:00
The soul is a big part of my life... Good advice Wind

It's not only a big part of your life, you are it!

We will return to the stars... One way or another. Life always finds a way.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnXz144hMTs&t=83s

enjoy being
6th March 2018, 05:02
Link (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11992-Space-weather-threat-you-must-see-this-video?p=841988571&viewfull=1#post841988571)

Wind
6th March 2018, 07:21
Might I suggest using more paragrahps when posting walls of words? I'd like to read such messages, but it becomes too tiresome (or in other words unreadable) for my poor eyes unless the text isn't in a coherent form. I hope you won't take this as nitpicking. :)

enjoy being
6th March 2018, 08:10
Might I suggest using more paragrahps when posting walls of words? I'd like to read such messages, but it becomes too tiresome (or in other words unreadable) for my poor eyes unless the text isn't in a coherent form. I hope you won't take this as nitpicking. :)

You're right I will go and fix it up and make it more legible. It's one of my worst scrambled transmissions for several cycles.
I had to go out and didn't really take much time, for the size of points being made. Thank you kind sir.
I'll just remove it and bring it back in a better form.

Orbs
6th March 2018, 08:36
Well Maggie, I think stuff is already on the moon. All nice and safe. However, we ain't invited.

We already travel the stars. However, we ain't invited.

Interesting some of you want to leave. Earth is our home. I think I'll keep fighting for it keyboard coward style...

Orbs
6th March 2018, 08:46
I wanted to share some basic logistics for those that want to be moved.

The largest ships I have read about hold around 900,000 Hawthor. So, say 1,000,000 humans. 100 of these ships and a measly 100 million people relocated to god knows where.

How many ships would it take? Where would they go?

WantDisclosure
6th March 2018, 13:09
Interesting some of you want to leave. Earth is our home. I think I'll keep fighting for it keyboard coward style...
But maybe people don't want to leave; they just want to survive?


. . . Hawthor. . .
?

Orbs
6th March 2018, 14:21
KeepTrying, I'm all for the choice of survival. There is no place to go. There are no frieghter ships from any good guys I know of. Some may get their wish - an invitation to get on a ship and leave. To where?

As long as we look elsewhere we treat the symptom and not the problem. Kicking the pieces of poop off OUR planet is treating the problem.

Some of you are worried about an event that would be cataclysmic. Perhaps get off for a bit. Who will provided that service? Where would everyone piss? Poop? Shower? Sleep? Eat? Billions of us?

Dumped off in space is more realistic.

I'm trying to make a point - we don't have anywhere else to go and we ain't invited to safety anything. If the Earth shakes us off like fleas kiss you butt good bye. Poop happens...

Just saying...

Dumpster Diver
6th March 2018, 14:24
The end of the world is God’s way of telling you to call Mom.

WantDisclosure
6th March 2018, 14:46
I'm trying to make a point - we don't have anywhere else to go . . .
The conversation I'm trying to have is the one we would have on planet Earth if the United Nations were actually an organization that exists for we the people rather than a tool for the Deep State.

The only place I know of to have the needed conversation is on a forum.

If the theory that the whole planet gets zapped at the same time is not correct, and say only one hemisphere gets hit and the other gets spared, and humanity in the spared hemisphere takes action, why couldn't people be rescued?

Even if ET/Human Black Project tech were not used.

What about conventional technology?

Dumpster Diver
6th March 2018, 14:55
The conversation I'm trying to have is the one we would have on planet Earth if the United Nations were actually an organization that exists for we the people rather than a tool for the Deep State.

The only place I know of to have the needed conversation is on a forum.

If the theory that the whole planet gets zapped at the same time is not correct, and say only one hemisphere gets hit and the other gets spared, and humanity in the spared hemisphere takes action, why couldn't people be rescued?

Even if ET/Human Black Project tech were not used.

What about conventional technology?

In DW’s view, in end of the (current) world everyone gets zapped at one time. In Ben Davidson’s, we all slowly fry in a cosmic ray “microwave oven”. In either case, everyone around the globe gets zapped, more or less at the same time. Bunkering in a deep hole might get you a few more weeks in Ben’s view, but not DW’s.

So, repent and call Mom you heathen.

Dreamtimer
6th March 2018, 15:10
If one hemisphere got zapped, the other could help, conceivably. Question is, which half and how badly? If it's the half that has most of the land getting hit and the half that's mostly ocean gets spared we're in a lot more trouble.

Catastrophes spread, so not many places would really be spared. Weather systems would be affected, possibly jet streams or ocean pumps. The whole globe could feel the effect of an impact that only hit one side.

If the bread baskets get hit, the whole world suffers.

Aragorn
6th March 2018, 15:18
. . . Hawthor. . .

?

Orbs is deliberately mangling the name — he likes doing that, and I think it's quite amusing. ;) The correct spelling of that alleged species' name would be "Hathor". They are supposedly one of the "tribes" of the alleged Velon that Chris Thomas writes about.

Long story short, these alleged Velon have supposedly come from a remote solar system in the direction of Sagittarius, and they are — in Chris Thomas' vernacular — "semi-physical beings", for whatever that means. (Chris Thomas claims that there are only three types of beings, i.e. physical, semi-physical and non-physical.) According to his description, these Velon would be much larger than a human being, but with relatively tiny heads, as their brains are supposedly located in their chests, rather than in their skulls.

As the story goes, they were initially a reclusive society, but then they found out about Earth and embarked on a religious journey here, thereby seeking to take over Earth and enslaving humanity by traveling back in time and altering our history. But then something supposedly happened — some sort of cosmic war between them and the Pleiadeans, who were protecting us — and most of the Velon left again, except for two of their tribes, the Hathor and the Annunaki, neither of whom holds the best of intentions for humanity. But apparently they also don't care much for one another, as they are supposedly at war with each other.

The Chris Thomas material truly sits in a universe of its own. Chris Thomas claims that he was born hardwired into the Akashic Records and that he is receiving his information directly from there. Yet, most of what he says does not correspond to the findings of other people who have consulted the Akashic Records, and he also contradicts himself on a number of things.

He himself also has a way of dismissing anything that doesn't agree with his own narrative, and he appears to be afflicted with a high degree of paranoia. Among other things, he claims that the NSA broke into his house an injected him with a radioactive isotope in order to kill him, but that he has healed himself from that, and he claims that his books — I think he has written five so far — are banned on Amazon. Pedant point: if the NSA wanted him dead and they had access to his house, then they wouldn't have injected him with anything, but they would have killed him and made it look like a burglary that went wrong, plus that the NSA is a US American military organization, while Chris Thomas is a born-and-bred Welshman who still lives in Wales on this very day.

Personally, I think that Chris Thomas himself does believe in everything he says, but that what he says would be the product of his imagination, remote-viewing with highly varying degrees of hit-and-miss, as well as paranoia and wishful thinking. I know from personal experience that remote-viewing can be highly misled and/or colored by one's expectations, whereby the expectations themselves can be severely influenced by one's belief system and by deliberate attempts from others to mislead you. I've already elaborated on this experience elsewhere on the forum, so I'm not going to reiterate that story here.

There is either way no factual evidence whatsoever of the veracity of anything that Chris Thomas says — on the contrary, there is a lot that contradicts his claims — and therefore his narrative boils down to a dogmatic belief system, just like any of the major religions.

Member Herbert has been posting a lot of the Chris Thomas material here on several threads, the most recent and active of which is called "An ongoing Chris Thomas thread for those who resonate with his alternative view of reality and history (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/7336-An-ongoing-Chris-Thomas-thread-for-those-who-resonate-with-his-alternative-view-of-reality-and-history)", but it has more or less been made clear between the lines that said thread is not open to any discussions regarding the validity of the material.



:tea:

WantDisclosure
6th March 2018, 15:42
Orbs is deliberately mangling the name — he likes doing that, and I think it's quite amusing. ;) The correct spelling of that alleged species' name would be "Hathor". They are supposedly one of the "tribes" of the alleged Velon that Chris Thomas writes about.
Not in a million years would I have figured that out.

And I can't stand it when I don't know what something means or stands for.

I will spend way too much time trying to figure it out! Googling, etc.

The time you spend answering my questions is more than appreciated!

Dumpster Diver
6th March 2018, 15:48
Orbs is deliberately mangling the name — he likes doing that, and I think it's quite amusing. ;) The correct spelling of that alleged species' name would be "Hathor". They are supposedly one of the "tribes" of the alleged Velon that Chris Thomas writes about.

Long story short, these alleged Velon have supposedly come from a remote solar system in the direction of Sagittarius, and they are — in Chris Thomas' vernacular — "semi-physical beings", for whatever that means. (Chris Thomas claims that there are only three types of beings, i.e. physical, semi-physical and non-physical.) According to his description, these Velon would be much larger than a human being, but with relatively tiny heads, as their brains are supposedly located in their chests, rather than in their skulls.

As the story goes, they were initially a reclusive society, but then they found out about Earth and embarked on a religious journey here, thereby seeking to take over Earth and enslaving humanity by traveling back in time and altering our history. But then something supposedly happened — some sort of cosmic war between them and the Pleiadeans, who were protecting us — and most of the Velon left again, except for two of their tribes, the Hathor and the Annunaki, neither of whom holds the best of intentions for humanity. But apparently they also don't care much for one another, as they are supposedly at war with each other.

The Chris Thomas material truly sits in a universe of its own. Chris Thomas claims that he was born hardwired into the Akashic Records and that he is receiving his information directly from there. Yet, most of what he says does not correspond to the findings of other people who have consulted the Akashic Records, and he also contradicts himself on a number of things.

He himself also has a way of dismissing anything that doesn't agree with his own narrative, and he appears to be afflicted with a high degree of paranoia. Among other things, he claims that the NSA broke into his house an injected him with a radioactive isotope in order to kill him, but that he has healed himself from that, and he claims that his books — I think he has written five so far — are banned on Amazon. Pedant point: if the NSA wanted him dead and they had access to his house, then they wouldn't have injected him with anything, but they would have killed him and made it look like a burglary that went wrong, plus that the NSA is a US American military organization, while Chris Thomas is a born-and-bred Welshman who still lives in Wales on this very day.

Personally, I think that Chris Thomas himself does believe in everything he says, but that what he says would be the product of his imagination, remote-viewing with highly varying degrees of hit-and-miss, as well as paranoia and wishful thinking. I know from personal experience that remote-viewing can be highly misled and/or colored by one's expectations, whereby the expectations themselves can be severely influenced by one's belief system and by deliberate attempts from others to mislead you. I've already elaborated on this experience elsewhere on the forum, so I'm not going to reiterate that story here.

There is either way no factual evidence whatsoever of the veracity of anything that Chris Thomas says — on the contrary, there is a lot that contradicts his claims — and therefore his narrative boils down to a dogmatic belief system, just like any of the major religions.

Member Herbert has been posting a lot of the Chris Thomas material here on several threads, the most recent and active of which is called "An ongoing Chris Thomas thread for those who resonate with his alternative view of reality and history (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/7336-An-ongoing-Chris-Thomas-thread-for-those-who-resonate-with-his-alternative-view-of-reality-and-history)", but it has more or less been made clear between the lines that said thread is not open to any discussions regarding the validity of the material.



:tea:

Well, if Amazon has banned him, it MUST be true. :belief:

How’s he doing on YouTube, Facebook and Twitter?

Aragorn
6th March 2018, 16:09
Well, if Amazon has banned him, it MUST be true. :belief:

Well, that's what he says. But maybe his books were never a success to begin with, or maybe something went wrong when he submitted them for sale via Amazon — see below.


How’s he doing on YouTube, Facebook and Twitter?

There are a few interviews of him on YouTube, but I don't think he would have a YouTube channel of his own, or a Twitter or Facebook account. He's not a young man anymore and he lives a very frugal and reclusive life, away from technology. However, I'm sure that some of his fans will have put up a Facebook page about him.

Doing a Google search on the name is going to be a bit tricky, too. You'll need to include the terms "akashic" and/or "healer" with his name, because "Chris Thomas" is a very common name in the UK, as well as in the US and even in Australia, and you might end up looking at the results for some baseball player or something like that. ;)

Dumpster Diver
6th March 2018, 16:18
Well, that's what he says. But maybe his books were never a success to begin with, or maybe something went wrong when he submitted them for sale via Amazon — see below.



There are a few interviews of him on YouTube, but I don't think he would have a YouTube channel of his own, or a Twitter or Facebook account. He's not a young man anymore and he lives a very frugal and reclusive life, away from technology. However, I'm sure that some of his fans will have put up a Facebook page about him.

Doing a Google search on the name is going to be a bit tricky, too. You'll need to include the terms "akashic" and/or "healer" with his name, because "Chris Thomas" is a very common name in the UK, as well as in the US and even in Australia, and you might end up looking at the results for some baseball player or something like that. ;)

Well, I told you about my suspicion that writers create timelines, right? You get enough wankers believing something you pen, and voila! in pops a new timeline with your trashy story or novel!

...this is my favorite way of Christianity happening, btw.

Aragorn
6th March 2018, 16:28
Well, I told you about my suspicion that writers create timelines, right? You get enough wankers believing something you pen, and voila! in pops a new timeline with your trashy story or novel!

...this is my favorite way of Christianity happening, btw.

In a way, I agree with you, although I wouldn't call it timelines. I would call them "reality bubbles". Each and every one of us creates his or her own reality bubble, based upon what he or she believes. That is how our own consciousness creates reality.

One does not create the reality that one wishes for — as some people within this community seem to think — but a reality based upon what one consciously, subconsciously and unconsciously believes to be true. And that's a very disconcerting thought. Because it means that if you believe that you are doomed, then you will, effectively, have doomed yourself. :hmm:

Maggie
6th March 2018, 17:01
The conversation I'm trying to have is the one we would have on planet Earth if the United Nations were actually an organization that exists for we the people rather than a tool for the Deep State.

The only place I know of to have the needed conversation is on a forum.

If the theory that the whole planet gets zapped at the same time is not correct, and say only one hemisphere gets hit and the other gets spared, and humanity in the spared hemisphere takes action, why couldn't people be rescued?

Even if ET/Human Black Project tech were not used.

What about conventional technology?

I agree with you that an enlightened humanity would seem to be one which prioritizes the values we call "humane". I am not sure about what everyone calls the "deep state" as in my experience there was never a sign of anything other than lack of enlightened self interest. This apparent planet (the one that I feel under my feet and of whom lovely pictures have been shown) is THE MOST BEAUTIFUL being. IMO earth is a She and sentient and loving. IMO She is not in any danger. the danger is to us as bodies on a planet.

What frustrates me is I am just so sick and tired of the status quo. Mundane "pleasures" just feel completely "lack luster". As far as great abilities, I can hardly even clean my house some days so am not a "leader". I feel energized in the presence of others who see what I think I see. Unfortunately I lost interest in most common groups and volunteering as the groups seem intent on perpetuating the "victim/perpetrator/savior" triad that so sucks IMO. IMO it is this belief system that is our worst false imprisonment. I don't wish to support these beliefs.

If I die, there is more in store so that does not worry me. I have felt a little attached to the idea that humanity could have heaven on earth. If sometyhing grand and amazing happens to get us all on the same wavelength, I will rejoice.

Maggie
6th March 2018, 17:11
Personally, I think that Chris Thomas himself does believe in everything he says, but that what he says would be the product of his imagination, remote-viewing with highly varying degrees of hit-and-miss, as well as paranoia and wishful thinking. I know from personal experience that remote-viewing can be highly misled and/or colored by one's expectations, whereby the expectations themselves can be severely influenced by one's belief system and by deliberate attempts from others to mislead you. I've already elaborated on this experience elsewhere on the forum, so I'm not going to reiterate that story here.



I have no isses with channeling as I think all outside the box info is a form of channeling. It is important to know from where the messages arise and to believe one is a special messenger is as dangerous as all ego driven drives. It is eveident in the messenger eventually that the whole intention was unhealthy IMO.

IMO CT has succombed to that disease of all who believe they have a savior mission. Grandiosity has the flip side of paranoia. I also think that only his kind of messianic flavor makes for delicious cults that people eat up.

But I agree with the spirit of the give away and I get lots out of releasing negativity. That IMO is not "his" but part of our "energetic systems management" which we forget.

Maggie
6th March 2018, 17:38
Well Maggie, I think stuff is already on the moon. All nice and safe. However, we ain't invited.

We already travel the stars. However, we ain't invited.

Interesting some of you want to leave. Earth is our home. I think I'll keep fighting for it keyboard coward style...

I have no first hand evidence of either of your assertions. I decline the belief in the ideas alluded to about "being uninvited" at this time as they do not serve me. It DOES serve me to love being on Earth and I don't think we really need to fight for earth. I am FOR being humane and loving and using our capacities to be humane 100%. The way to do that is partly writing and speaking for our highest values. The biggest part is how we live.

Aragorn
6th March 2018, 17:49
[...] I am FOR being humane and loving and using our capacities to be humane 100%. The way to do that is partly writing and speaking for our highest values. The biggest part is how we live.

That's the only thing that matters, really. Everything else is subordinate to that.

WantDisclosure
6th March 2018, 17:54
IMO earth is a She and sentient and loving.
I have never related to giving the earth, or God, gender.

Emil El Zapato
6th March 2018, 17:59
KeepTrying, I'm all for the choice of survival. There is no place to go. There are no frieghter ships from any good guys I know of. Some may get their wish - an invitation to get on a ship and leave. To where?

As long as we look elsewhere we treat the symptom and not the problem. Kicking the pieces of poop off OUR planet is treating the problem.

Some of you are worried about an event that would be cataclysmic. Perhaps get off for a bit. Who will provided that service? Where would everyone piss? Poop? Shower? Sleep? Eat? Billions of us?

Dumped off in space is more realistic.

I'm trying to make a point - we don't have anywhere else to go and we ain't invited to safety anything. If the Earth shakes us off like fleas kiss you butt good bye. Poop happens...

Just saying...

There is one inevitability...this planet will end unless we have advanced enough to move a planet...elsewise...the big one is coming in some form or fashion. If we want to continue as a species some of us at least has to be somewhere else.

According to the bible when the end comes the "Stars shall fall from the sky!" That sounds like eminent truth to me....


Orbs is deliberately mangling the name — he likes doing that, and I think it's quite amusing. ;) The correct spelling of that alleged species' name would be "Hathor". They are supposedly one of the "tribes" of the alleged Velon that Chris Thomas writes about.

Long story short, these alleged Velon have supposedly come from a remote solar system in the direction of Sagittarius, and they are — in Chris Thomas' vernacular — "semi-physical beings", for whatever that means. (Chris Thomas claims that there are only three types of beings, i.e. physical, semi-physical and non-physical.) According to his description, these Velon would be much larger than a human being, but with relatively tiny heads, as their brains are supposedly located in their chests, rather than in their skulls.

As the story goes, they were initially a reclusive society, but then they found out about Earth and embarked on a religious journey here, thereby seeking to take over Earth and enslaving humanity by traveling back in time and altering our history. But then something supposedly happened — some sort of cosmic war between them and the Pleiadeans, who were protecting us — and most of the Velon left again, except for two of their tribes, the Hathor and the Annunaki, neither of whom holds the best of intentions for humanity. But apparently they also don't care much for one another, as they are supposedly at war with each other.

The Chris Thomas material truly sits in a universe of its own. Chris Thomas claims that he was born hardwired into the Akashic Records and that he is receiving his information directly from there. Yet, most of what he says does not correspond to the findings of other people who have consulted the Akashic Records, and he also contradicts himself on a number of things.

He himself also has a way of dismissing anything that doesn't agree with his own narrative, and he appears to be afflicted with a high degree of paranoia. Among other things, he claims that the NSA broke into his house an injected him with a radioactive isotope in order to kill him, but that he has healed himself from that, and he claims that his books — I think he has written five so far — are banned on Amazon. Pedant point: if the NSA wanted him dead and they had access to his house, then they wouldn't have injected him with anything, but they would have killed him and made it look like a burglary that went wrong, plus that the NSA is a US American military organization, while Chris Thomas is a born-and-bred Welshman who still lives in Wales on this very day.

Personally, I think that Chris Thomas himself does believe in everything he says, but that what he says would be the product of his imagination, remote-viewing with highly varying degrees of hit-and-miss, as well as paranoia and wishful thinking. I know from personal experience that remote-viewing can be highly misled and/or colored by one's expectations, whereby the expectations themselves can be severely influenced by one's belief system and by deliberate attempts from others to mislead you. I've already elaborated on this experience elsewhere on the forum, so I'm not going to reiterate that story here.

There is either way no factual evidence whatsoever of the veracity of anything that Chris Thomas says — on the contrary, there is a lot that contradicts his claims — and therefore his narrative boils down to a dogmatic belief system, just like any of the major religions.

Member Herbert has been posting a lot of the Chris Thomas material here on several threads, the most recent and active of which is called "An ongoing Chris Thomas thread for those who resonate with his alternative view of reality and history (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/7336-An-ongoing-Chris-Thomas-thread-for-those-who-resonate-with-his-alternative-view-of-reality-and-history)", but it has more or less been made clear between the lines that said thread is not open to any discussions regarding the validity of the material.



:tea:

Coincidentally, I'm reading a fiction book based on 'Portals', Universe jumping, etc. There are a 'caste' of characters in it called Argathians... hmmm....

Aragorn
6th March 2018, 18:02
Coincidentally, I'm reading a fiction book based on 'Portals', Universe jumping, etc. There are a 'caste' of characters in it called Argathians... hmmm....

We have a member, Daozen, who claims to be a spokesperson for the Agarthian Alliance. However, he's not coming around here anymore. He is also a denizen at La Casa Del Sombrero™, and that's mainly where he's spending his forum time these days. :hmm:

Dreamtimer
6th March 2018, 19:08
Aianawa was looking for an order that was something like Guardians of the Portal. I'm not sure if he found what he was looking for. This story might interest him, NAP.

I can't assign gender to God. That makes no sense to me.

It's easier for me to think of the earth as mother. She holds us in her embrace, she nurtures and feeds us. The Sun is often referred to as father. It's still more metaphorical to me.

Orbs
6th March 2018, 21:02
Sorry for the misspelled Hathor. I really despise those efftards so I should at least get their name spelled correctly.

Aragorn got some of Chris's work right. Some not. No matter.

Chris got his ass kicked. That's not a rumor. No matter though. Nobody has to believe that.

I have never seen a Velon. People in Russia have. I have never seen a a Pliedian. Btw, Chris never wrote about a war between the Velon and Pliedians.

My soul origin, according to a downer from Whales, is Pliedian. I like that. At least I'm not from the ghetto. Ha ha ha.

Aragorn, you mock semi physical beings exist? That's ok. I understand. I offer this.

There are 3 states of matter (omit plasma for now). Solid, liquid and gas. Humans are physical/solid. Beings of pure soul energy are like a gas - they are invisible to us. Semi-physical beings are in between- they are like liquid.

Have any of you seen a semi-physical being? If so, they altered their energy patterns so you could see them. Or, your soul allowed you to see them.

You all believe in water, ice and steam - three states of matter. But many of you think life cannot mirror these three states. No worries, it's ok to differ in beliefs. That's a choice...

WantDisclosure
6th March 2018, 21:26
The largest ships I have read about hold around 900,000 Hawthor.


Orbs is deliberately mangling the name — he likes doing that, and I think it's quite amusing. ;) The correct spelling of that alleged species' name would be "Hathor".


Sorry for the misspelled Hathor.

Orbs, do you do this on purpose, or not?



In DW’s view, in end of the (current) world everyone gets zapped at one time. In Ben Davidson’s, we all slowly fry in a cosmic ray “microwave oven”. In either case, everyone around the globe gets zapped, more or less at the same time. Bunkering in a deep hole might get you a few more weeks in Ben’s view, but not DW’s.
Generally speaking, the scientists who are talking about this are not talking about a physical pole shift, but a magnetic one that leaves the whole planet vulnerable? Am I stating that right?

Aragorn
6th March 2018, 22:43
[...] Btw, Chris never wrote about a war between the Velon and Pliedians.

Well, I didn't mean to imply that I know the finer details, but as I gather, the Chris Thomas narrative is that the Velon were driven away by some alliance that included the Pleiadeans, right?

It was something of that nature anyway.


My soul origin, according to a downer from Whales, is Pliedian. I like that. At least I'm not from the ghetto. Ha ha ha.

Aragorn, you mock semi physical beings exist? That's ok. I understand. I offer this.

I know that there are many different planes of existence, but to label them all so strictly as to say "physical", "semi-physical" and "non-physical" is a bit too narrow a description for me, and a conveniently vague one too.

Please note that I am not mocking anything here. To mock signifies a degree of disdain, and I don't wish to go there. I am merely debating the concepts here.


There are 3 states of matter (omit plasma for now). Solid, liquid and gas. Humans are physical/solid. Beings of pure soul energy are like a gas - they are invisible to us. Semi-physical beings are in between- they are like liquid.

That sounds acceptable to me.


Have any of you seen a semi-physical being? If so, they altered their energy patterns so you could see them. Or, your soul allowed you to see them.

Well, I have seen a ghost once, and I had a witness — my then-fiancée was with me and she identified the ghost as her late grandfather. It was only visible for a few seconds, and it ran away the way a human would run, but there was nowhere to go, because there was only water.

Does that count as an encounter with a semi-physical being in your opinion? :hmm:

Emil El Zapato
7th March 2018, 00:11
Interesting question...I've never seen a ghost and am perfectly happy in not having done so... :)

Dumpster Diver
7th March 2018, 00:38
Orbs, do you do this on purpose, or not?



Generally speaking, the scientists who are talking about this are not talking about a physical pole shift, but a magnetic one that leaves the whole planet vulnerable? Am I stating that right?

Ben Davidson and a bunch of his guys are talking about magnetic pole shift. DW occasionally talks about magnetic pole shift. Btw, you don’t have to have a full pole swap to get the detrimental effects and we have had near swaps in the past.

Emil El Zapato
7th March 2018, 01:44
Another good question...I think once the process is in motion...it's a done deal...It would be interesting to know if there is any geologic indications of the Earth changing its mind?

Orbs
7th March 2018, 02:45
I misspell by accident. I get typos using my phone. I pretty much post late at night.

A ghost would be similar to a soul - non physical life. The soul is humanoid in form.

Think of this. 90% of you believe we have a soul. We talk about it. It's fun. I wager we all agree it is invisible to us humans. Without real proof we accept this state of being. Nonphysical life.

We know physical life is true. That's us.

A large portion of us believe the Grays are real. We don't have proof we just know they are around. They are not nonphysical. They are not physical. They are a stage in between. A stepping stone to physical life.

Beautiful humans are quite an achievement. Any human is but you all know what I mean. There was a path to get here. A soul could not interact with anything. They wanted to be able to. So the soul took on a body.

Here we are...

WantDisclosure
7th March 2018, 02:51
Ben Davidson and a bunch of his guys are talking about magnetic pole shift. DW occasionally talks about magnetic pole shift. Btw, you don’t have to have a full pole swap to get the detrimental effects and we have had near swaps in the past.

What about a coronal mass ejection (CME)? That's a separate danger, correct? And that could hit only half the planet, correct?

Orbs
7th March 2018, 03:02
The Earth and Sun are pals. Whatever they decide to do...

Wind
7th March 2018, 03:40
Aianawa was looking for an order that was something like Guardians of the Portal. I'm not sure if he found what he was looking for. This story might interest him, NAP.

I can't assign gender to God. That makes no sense to me.

It's easier for me to think of the earth as mother. She holds us in her embrace, she nurtures and feeds us. The Sun is often referred to as father. It's still more metaphorical to me.

Mother Earth as in Gaia. Father Moon... Father Sun?

Dr. Eben Alexander (the doc who died and went to heaven) said that God is consciousness so far beyond human comprehension that it's hard to even describe. He said that "It" has no gender, it's male and female, in fact it's everything. It's you and me. God is the sum of all of wisdom & love.

Dreamtimer
7th March 2018, 11:11
That's how I look at God. Everywhere, everything. I'm never separate from God. None of us are. We are in and of God. (I usually really have to bite my tongue when people insist on Father, Son and then even the Holy Spirit being male.:fpalm:)

Orbs
7th March 2018, 12:13
Some of us refer to the Creator. None of us can tell the other what the Creator is. It is a choice.

I choose to view the Creator as a thinking being. Mr. Thomas describes it this way and likens it to a galaxy or universe. It's big. Really big.

I literally mean the Earth and Sun are pals. They communicate etc. This belief is also a choice. I don't care to explain how I know this. I just want to share my choice.

The absolute statements that someone is flat out wrong is the same as saying you are right. I'm past all that. I'm not going to tell any of you I'm right and you are wrong. That's for the birds.

Interesting to hear some of your choices...

Emil El Zapato
7th March 2018, 12:58
Souls communicate....

Aragorn
7th March 2018, 14:00
That's how I look at God. Everywhere, everything. I'm never separate from God. None of us are. We are in and of God. (I usually really have to bite my tongue when people insist on Father, Son and then even the Holy Spirit being male.:fpalm:)

The gender attribution is an extension of the interpretation of Yin and Yang. Yang is considered masculine, and Yin is considered feminine. The Creator consciousness is considered the big Yang — the quantum superstate of Source would then be the big Yin — and therefore people believe the Creator consciousness to be masculine, even though at that level, the Yang has actually not yet manifested as masculinity. That's a differentiation that only manifests deeper down within Creation. The Creator consciousness is simply Yang, as in "this is not Yin", and likewise, Yin is "not Yang".

Try thinking of it this way. You've got a color — say, yellow. Is yellow a light color or is it a dark color? Well, yellow is the color of the sun, and it is the color most often associated with warm light. It is also brighter than most other colors. So most people would say it's a light color. But when yellow is the only color there is and there is nothing else to compare it to, then the question as to whether yellow is a light color or a dark color is pointless, isn't it? ;)

Besides, Yin and Yang also hold other meanings. Good is Yang, and Evil is Yin. Does that mean that women are evil? No, of course not. Yin and Yang are each merely the names given to either side of a two-sided coin. What exactly the sides of that coin are depends on the context.

The core of the Yin/Yang dichotomy is simply that it represents that: two polarities which are in constant flux — they are chasing each other around all the time — and which require one another to ensure the overall balance of the system. You cannot have light without darkness, you cannot know what good is unless there is also evil, and you cannot know happiness without that you also know what sadness is.

That doesn't mean that everything is always in balance. Sometimes the Yin is far away from the Yang, but it's still perceivable, and sometimes it's the other way around. The point is that you need both of them in your consciousness somewhere in order to give meaning to everything. And "giving meaning to something" is itself also the Yang — it is the Creator. The undifferentiated but infinite potential of Source is the Yin.

Now, that all said, the Roman Catholic Church was founded by Peter and Paul, and Peter was a misogynist. Even though he was married, he looked down on women. Everything that's gender-specific and favors the masculine over the feminine within Roman Catholicism is to be seen from that vantage, all the way from the fact that women cannot become priests within the Roman Catholic Church all the way up to the compulsory celibacy of Roman Catholic priests.

WantDisclosure
7th March 2018, 14:34
I misspell by accident.


Orbs is deliberately mangling the name — he likes doing that, and I think it's quite amusing. ;)

So, did you presume wrong?

Aragorn
7th March 2018, 14:53
Orbs is deliberately mangling the name — he likes doing that, and I think it's quite amusing. ;)

So, did you presume wrong?

I guess I did, then. His mangled spelling of their names is so humorous and consistently repetitive that I naturally concluded he was doing it on purpose. :flag:

Dumpster Diver
7th March 2018, 15:44
MSM waking up to the problem:

https://www.sciencealert.com/something-mysterious-under-southern-africa-dramatically-weakening-earth-s-magnetic-field-south-atlantic-anomaly


Another good question...I think once the process is in motion...it's a done deal...It would be interesting to know if there is any geologic indications of the Earth changing its mind?

Gaia is female so she changes her mind a lot...:hilarious:


That's how I look at God. Everywhere, everything. I'm never separate from God. None of us are. We are in and of God. (I usually really have to bite my tongue when people insist on Father, Son and then even the Holy Spirit being male.:fpalm:)

Don’t bite your tongue, if you have to bite anything, bite them...

WantDisclosure
7th March 2018, 16:12
MSM waking up to the problem:

https://www.sciencealert.com/something-mysterious-under-southern-africa-dramatically-weakening-earth-s-magnetic-field-south-atlantic-anomaly

From the article:


This dense region, existing in between the hot liquid iron of Earth's outer core and the stiffer, cooler mantle, is suggested to somehow be disturbing the iron that helps generate Earth's magnetic field.

That makes me think of mainstream science’s “dynamo theory” of what causes the earth’s magnetic field, which, if I’m not mistaken, electric universe advocates take issue with.

enjoy being
7th March 2018, 17:53
Thanks for that post the other day Maggie, I can relate well to the sentiments.

Could you maybe give a link to the podcast if it is possible to access?

I have been too busy to get back until now.

The other day I wanted to describe the idea of viewing aspects of the human infrastructure... its cities and communities. As an entity.
Its thinking and its states of being. The nature of it being a life support system.

The stage of its growth it is in, is still a bit on the volatile side?
The shape of our survival network is inspired by a group of things, such as..

Human input of physical, emotional, and intellectual energy. For survival

Flow of financial investment/success. For survival

A survival instinct of its own?

We seem to play our parts in it whether we want to or not.



A city comes into being as a result of being an essential node, like a jetty, or a train station.

Nodes branch and develop, and become defined by their sum total successes, and failures.

Day by day the battles of all the different polarities and archetypes, provide different reasons and purposes to motivate people to participate.

How much of it is a process of nature, and how much is adaptation, adoption, or distortion?

The survival infrastructures that we live in, have been produced by the sum total of all lives that have lived.

If we put ourselves "out in the wild" and test our core survival skills we find it quite hard.
Even just for the fact that we have become dependant on our life support system.
One which has been given to us by the collective contribution of our ancestors' toils, as a legacy a gift.
Even by way of being the core motivation for many to get up in the morning (their families future).

The system has given us the ability to sit here and navel gaze and postulate. It is teaching the nuances and difficulties of being able to contemplate or whatever else people may do. Even down to the pollution it can cause.

There are the all sorts of human masterpieces, the finest vibrations a human can emit.
And there's the vibrations at the other end of the scale.
And all the different intersecting scales in between.

The play off between the different archetypes and polarities gains its best charge when the integrity of each polarity is purest.
When the terminal is well connected with its purpose. Convinced of its role in the polarity.


The environment plays a lead part in the experience.
It is this collaboration with it that sews together our current reality, via our perceptions.

Our collective effort over centuries, has created a device in which to insulate/escape the responsibilities of primal survival, so as to get to the point we can 'sit back' and contemplate the abstract.

It is somewhat of an unsustainable device, or a device which has release valves or checks and balances to stop things going out of balance too far.
The current stage of the epoch has many past problems solved or at least temporarily covered.

Starvation is not such a general problem.
Neither is disease or illiteracy.
There is more time to contemplate.
A large percentage of people live like comparative royalty to past periods of recent history.

Imagine a past where there might have been a few who found answers to many of the questions regarding evolution of humans and ways forward, but the levels of literacy for enough people to understand the complexities of it all were severely lacking?


Our environment we have made is teaching all the things we need to know.
(Albeit slowly it might seem for some).
(Even in that the design of tools, machines and computers give us a language to discuss terms of the inner workings of things).

I think the next level is when the understanding of all these things becomes common knowledge.

But how do you preserve that sort of consciousness though? Preserve understanding?
Could you ever? Is it perhaps designed that way as a safeguard?
With power (to be free of traditional survival chores) comes responsibilities and consequences that we have to be aware of.

There's almost a valve or filter or aperture. One that stops things passing if they do not fit the requirements of the aperture.

Or something which has a cutting edge that helps shape the thing it comes in contact with.
Like the blade of a grater.

enjoy being
7th March 2018, 19:27
MSM waking up to the problem:

https://www.sciencealert.com/something-mysterious-under-southern-africa-dramatically-weakening-earth-s-magnetic-field-south-atlantic-anomaly


https://www.findlatitudeandlongitude.com/antipode-map/
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bc/ROSAT_SAA.gif/350px-ROSAT_SAA.gif
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Atlantic_Anomaly
Just for what its worth

Actually while at the tunnel map, just out of interest..
Make sure you have selected satellite views and zoom out and hover over New Zealand.
https://www.google.co.nz/maps/vt/data=wh1I-4w7HULiRlpCbdroQ2o44DsOsphVRJjhbhBjs-4uOOutZwxjmNFFwuskg6tyMvi1FKVoOnstpNVarlonRQPOSBWS ZOuaM4-ws6SsPPvSwp6MV6axQjCYwo9lE961yixOT7Q
Trace the pale blue triangle of land under the sea, you see there, with the cursor in the tunnel map and observe the shape of the area it traces in its antipode. Hours of fun!

enjoy being
7th March 2018, 20:14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2vr1E0O5GI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atgChrJhGUY

Orbs
7th March 2018, 22:50
It's all good. Aragorn has a point. I write Killary, Bush Beans, Billary, etc. referring to certain efftards. Just being ambiguous and humorous.

Emil El Zapato
7th March 2018, 23:01
https://www.findlatitudeandlongitude.com/antipode-map/
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bc/ROSAT_SAA.gif/350px-ROSAT_SAA.gif
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Atlantic_Anomaly
Just for what its worth

Actually while at the tunnel map, just out of interest..
Make sure you have selected satellite views and zoom out and hover over New Zealand.
https://www.google.co.nz/maps/vt/data=wh1I-4w7HULiRlpCbdroQ2o44DsOsphVRJjhbhBjs-4uOOutZwxjmNFFwuskg6tyMvi1FKVoOnstpNVarlonRQPOSBWS ZOuaM4-ws6SsPPvSwp6MV6axQjCYwo9lE961yixOT7Q
Trace the pale blue triangle of land under the sea, you see there, with the cursor in the tunnel map and observe the shape of the area it traces in its antipode. Hours of fun!

i tried but failed ... what are the steps to do it? thanks

enjoy being
8th March 2018, 00:54
i tried but failed ... what are the steps to do it? thanks

There are quite a few different antipode maps available online, so if the linked one is too awkward check some of the others out.
Antipode searching can be fun. Maybe the example of plotting the shape of Australia and seeing how it fits into the shape of the central shape that makes the Atlantic.

Emil El Zapato
8th March 2018, 01:04
yeah, I get it...It's always fascinating...

enjoy being
8th March 2018, 01:19
yeah, I get it...It's always fascinating...

Yeah for what ever it means. Interesting with the South Atlantic Anomaly that you have that shape circling the region of Japan. One of the most active volcanic regions on Earth.

The zone actually reaches over and circles Hawaii too

Orbs
8th March 2018, 05:04
Expando planet. I think Cliff High used to say that. Ole Cliffy.

The Earth used to be a lot smaller. This explains a lot about the continents. Can't prove this one either. I'm striking out in the proof department. I can't even prove we have a soul. Oh well...

Orbs
8th March 2018, 05:57
Other than photographic evidence I'm not sure what can be proven. I would say the vast majority of everything I like to discuss and the vast major of everything Chris Thomas writes about cannot be proven.

The list is extensive. I can't prove their are Grays, Hathor, Annunaki, a soul, the Earth is alive, the planet is getting bigger, history, Fukushima, time travel, some Orbs are conscious, drones spray us with viruses, Pliedians exist, the Blues exist, butt probes, etc.

This is where your soul can come in and help you figure things out. Can't prove that either.

What can we prove? NASA is a scam, moon landings were faked, actors playing roles like Ed shows us, SSP is visible at times, we have lied to, etc.

Back to sleep... Can't prove that either...

WantDisclosure
8th March 2018, 11:33
Other than photographic evidence I'm not sure what can be proven.

Even photographic evidence often gets ripped to shreds by skeptics.

Orbs
8th March 2018, 23:52
I think we all got the memo. If you do not rely on yourself to determine if something is true or not nobody can do it for you.

We can personally get proof of things. For example, you could see a space ship, a semi physical being, communicate with the Earth, etc. Your soul could push you around, give you inside information or kill you.

All this can happen. Some of us are psychic. Some aren't.

We have to do it for ourselves. I can't explain one person bring psychic over another. Or a soul bossing some around.

Orbs
9th March 2018, 08:42
KeepTrying, I have talked about that before. Agreed. I will not post any photographs I take for that exact reason. Why take risk for nothing?

Even the photos I posted directly from the Library of Congress drew doubt.etc. Apparently every single photo in existence is photoshopped etc. That's why I say take your own...

Dreamtimer
9th March 2018, 10:24
I'm selfish, or protecting my property. Either way, I only occasionally post my photography because too many sites then claim they own it. I don't mind posting them here, though I haven't done that a lot. I feel like my photos are part of me.


I had a weird dream last night that the sun grabbed the moon and pulled it away from earth and towards itself using a fiery filament.

Emil El Zapato
9th March 2018, 12:12
A prescient dream perhaps...the moon is leaving, albeit very slowly...

Dumpster Diver
9th March 2018, 14:33
A prescient dream perhaps...the moon is leaving, albeit very slowly...

...well, at least until someone lights the booster rockets...

Aragorn
9th March 2018, 15:41
I'm selfish, or protecting my property. Either way, I only occasionally post my photography because too many sites then claim they own it. I don't mind posting them here, though I haven't done that a lot. I feel like my photos are part of me.


I had a weird dream last night that the sun grabbed the moon and pulled it away from earth and towards itself using a fiery filament.

A prescient dream perhaps...the moon is leaving, albeit very slowly...

The first thing that came to my mind when I read Dreamtimer's post was "Space: 1999 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space:_1999)". ;)

A while ago, I posted a thread with the complete series — here (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/8943-Gerry-Sylvia-Anderson-s-Space-1999-the-complete-series) — but unfortunately, YouTube's copyright Nazis have taken down all the videos. Below however is a widescreen version of the pilot episode that apparently eluded the takedown. ;)




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HE06rNkxlks

Dumpster Diver
9th March 2018, 16:09
The first thing that came to my mind when I read Dreamtimer's post was "Space: 1999 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space:_1999)". ;)

A while ago, I posted a thread with the complete series — here (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/8943-Gerry-Sylvia-Anderson-s-Space-1999-the-complete-series) — but unfortunately, YouTube's copyright Nazis have taken down all the videos. Below however is a widescreen version of the pilot episode that apparently eluded the takedown. ;)




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HE06rNkxlks

Yeah, I was thinking about that as well. Another reveal?

At the time, I thought the moon moving around like a space ship was a very, very dumb SF brain-fart by the creators. Especially since it would have to move at “warp speed” (superluminal) to get to another star system.

Aragorn
9th March 2018, 17:03
The first thing that came to my mind when I read Dreamtimer's post was "Space: 1999 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space:_1999)". ;) [...]

Yeah, I was thinking about that as well. Another reveal?

At the time, I thought the moon moving around like a space ship was a very, very dumb SF brain-fart by the creators. Especially since it would have to move at “warp speed” (superluminal) to get to another star system.

Well, they did pass through a wormhole and several space warps, and the moon is indeed traveling at very high speed, given the time dilation. By the time of the episode "Journey To Where", four years had passed on Alpha since their breakaway in 1999, but Earth was already in the year 2120. ;)

Emil El Zapato
9th March 2018, 18:04
Was that the series with Martin Landau or was that an earlier one?

b.t.w. I'm just about done watching the 110 episodes of 'Andromeda'. They gots cute women in 'em....

Aragorn
9th March 2018, 18:38
Was that the series with Martin Landau or was that an earlier one?

Yes, Martin Landau starred as Commander John Koenig, and his then-wife Barbara Bain as Dr. Helena Russell. ;)


b.t.w. I'm just about done watching the 110 episodes of 'Andromeda'. They gots cute women in 'em....

I've only watched a few episodes — on YouTube — and I was a little put off by the macho attitude of the actor playing the main character. But Rommie (Lexa Doig) is definitely yummy. :p

Wind
10th March 2018, 11:42
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_uiNwoSZu4

Elen
10th March 2018, 14:25
The first thing that came to my mind when I read Dreamtimer's post was "Space: 1999 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space:_1999)". ;)

A while ago, I posted a thread with the complete series — here (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/8943-Gerry-Sylvia-Anderson-s-Space-1999-the-complete-series) — but unfortunately, YouTube's copyright Nazis have taken down all the videos. Below however is a widescreen version of the pilot episode that apparently eluded the takedown. ;)

Thanks a lot Aragorn, I'm now glad that I watched them all while I could do so...it was quite a treat. Now I'll see the first one again. :h5:

Dumpster Diver
10th March 2018, 14:30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_uiNwoSZu4

I better go buy me a very warm coat.

Emil El Zapato
10th March 2018, 15:12
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_uiNwoSZu4

I want to hear this argument from one, it doesn't matter who, but one scientist that recognizes global warming and supports this theory? I haven't had a chance to refresh my memory on the presumed reasons for Neanderthal extinction but they had been gone for 25,000 years before the last Ice Age. Humans likely ate them when they arrived from Africa.

Dumpster Diver
10th March 2018, 16:53
I want to hear this argument from one, it doesn't matter who, but one scientist that recognizes global warming and supports this theory? I haven't had a chance to refresh my memory on the presumed reasons for Neanderthal extinction but they had been gone for 25,000 years before the last Ice Age. Humans likely ate them when they arrived from Africa.

Neanderthal burgers! Yum!

Emil El Zapato
10th March 2018, 16:56
Neanderthal burgers! Yum!

yeah, no kiddin' almost as good as beefalo...

Dumpster Diver
10th March 2018, 20:26
I would wager that the average human (Cro-magnon) on the planet today would average out to 70+% Nethandertal DNA and the rest differing ET DNA.

So NAP, you are showing cannibalistic tendencies. But you’re Catholic, right? So maybe you get a pass because of your religious training. :priest:

Dumpster Diver
10th March 2018, 21:02
For you Costco members:

https://www.costco.com/emergency-preparedness-bulk.html

Dreamtimer
10th March 2018, 23:51
My sister-in-law has some friends who are big-time preppers. They have a place in New Mexico, three shipping containers full of stuff and are ready to go live there.

Emil El Zapato
11th March 2018, 00:28
I would wager that the average human (Cro-magnon) on the planet today would average out to 70+% Nethandertal DNA and the rest differing ET DNA.

So NAP, you are showing cannibalistic tendencies. But you’re Catholic, right? So maybe you get a pass because of your religious training. :priest:

3-7 percent actually. with a little denisovan and apparently some alien.

Aragorn
11th March 2018, 00:31
My sister-in-law has some friends who are big-time peppers.

Oh, you mean like these guys? These are really big ones. I had to resize them to fit inside this post*. :ttr:



https://fthmb.tqn.com/8bIc0Xq0M9a_jFHtU0g-GbXSZio=/1800x1200/filters:no_upscale()/bell-peppers-multi-g18-56a8bebc5f9b58b7d0f4c0f6.jpg


:ttr: :ttr: :ttr:



* No, not really, because vBulletin automatically adapts the visible picture to the size of the window. ;)



Ahem... :back to topic: :whstl::whstl::whstl:

Dreamtimer
11th March 2018, 03:40
See my editing note.

enjoy being
11th March 2018, 05:57
The funny thing about action is it does not solve the problem of readiness if the whole idea behind 'prepping' is making ones' being threadable through the pinhole. That's my personal intuition, backed up by things like a past dream which I shared.... Yeah I know..
Backed up by several things only amounting to hear say. Which is just as useful as any inclinations regards prepping.
But from what I can deduce, no one will get a free ticket. You either can pass through the 'scanners' or you cant.
You want to prep your family with lots of food and guns? Well that may help if you are all good with your soul. But it wont do diddly if not. Those ones, the greedy fearful ones who want to save their lives, will likely just be shot and over run by the 1st few waves of marauders.
I am expecting to see quite a bit of poetry unfold in those sorts of scenarios. You can run but you can't hide kind of thing.
All these people wanting to work out what might happen so they can focus on some way to survive. That is hilarious to me.

Elen
11th March 2018, 06:59
The funny thing about action is it does not solve the problem of readiness if the whole idea behind 'prepping' is making ones' being threadable through the pinhole. That's my personal intuition, backed up by things like a past dream which I shared.... Yeah I know..
Backed up by several things only amounting to hear say. Which is just as useful as any inclinations regards prepping.
But from what I can deduce, no one will get a free ticket. You either can pass through the 'scanners' or you cant.
You want to prep your family with lots of food and guns? Well that may help if you are all good with your soul. But it wont do diddly if not. Those ones, the greedy fearful ones who want to save their lives, will likely just be shot and over run by the 1st few waves of marauders.
I am expecting to see quite a bit of poetry unfold in those sorts of scenarios. You can run but you can't hide kind of thing.
All these people wanting to work out what might happen so they can focus on some way to survive. That is hilarious to me.

:h5:

Dumpster Diver
11th March 2018, 14:08
See my editing note.

“Pickeled preppers” :hilarious:


The funny thing about action is it does not solve the problem of readiness if the whole idea behind 'prepping' is making ones' being threadable through the pinhole. That's my personal intuition, backed up by things like a past dream which I shared.... Yeah I know..
Backed up by several things only amounting to hear say. Which is just as useful as any inclinations regards prepping.
But from what I can deduce, no one will get a free ticket. You either can pass through the 'scanners' or you cant.
You want to prep your family with lots of food and guns? Well that may help if you are all good with your soul. But it wont do diddly if not. Those ones, the greedy fearful ones who want to save their lives, will likely just be shot and over run by the 1st few waves of marauders.
I am expecting to see quite a bit of poetry unfold in those sorts of scenarios. You can run but you can't hide kind of thing.
All these people wanting to work out what might happen so they can focus on some way to survive. That is hilarious to me.

I just don’t like the thought of going hungry, and if I don’t need the food, my neighbors might.

WantDisclosure
11th March 2018, 15:04
I just don’t like the thought of going hungry, and if I don’t need the food, my neighbors might.
Well said.

Wind
11th March 2018, 16:14
I just don’t like the thought of going hungry, and if I don’t need the food, my neighbors might.

And they'll come knockin' on your door unless you're living in a breatharian community.

It might be a good idea to practice breatharianism in case you start to run out of food. ;)

In case you're wondering what starvation might drive people to do, you can Google the siege of Leningrad. Then again, maybe you don't want to find out.

Dumpster Diver
11th March 2018, 16:29
And they'll come knockin' on your door unless you're living in a breatharian community.

It might be a good idea to practice breatharianism in case you start to run out of food. ;)

In case you're wondering what starvation might drive people to do, you can Google the siege of Leningrad. Then again, maybe you don't want to find out.

My understanding is you gotta be pretty enlightened to live off air.

...there’s a plan afoot to cut the I17 bridges linking us to Phoenix, making Sedona pretty isolated and defendable.

enjoy being
11th March 2018, 17:38
How many do you know who would resort to cannibalism?
You probably don't know how many.
What really should one prepared for, live by the sword die by it.
There will be all types.
Community may surprise. Depending on what you expect.
How desperate are people to live?

Wind
11th March 2018, 17:54
The survivalist instinct is quite strong in humans, otherwise you would see much more suicides. It's what has kept our species alive so far, even though we seem to be quite suicidal. Many tend to cling to their lives, because they're afraid of losing something.

I'd rather cap myself instead of resorting to cannibalism, but that's just me. Then again, I don't think it will ever come to that. Maybe I'm an optimist in that sense.

There's no point living in despair or fear, there's enough time for that later.

Aragorn
11th March 2018, 17:57
I'd rather cap myself instead of resorting to cannibalism, but that's just me.

Ditto. ;)

Wind
11th March 2018, 18:00
Ditto. ;)

I'm a vegetarian though.

Maggie
11th March 2018, 18:20
I'm a vegetarian though.

There is some serious research that shows cannibalism occurred in Chaco Canyon:


More than a century ago, American travellers in the Southwest were astounded to find ruined cities and vast cliff dwellings dotting the desert landscape. Surely, they thought, a great civilization had once flourished here. It looked to them as if the people who created it had simply walked away and vanished: the ruins were often littered with gorgeous painted pottery and also contained grinding stones, baskets, sandals hanging on pegs, and granaries full of corn. The Navajo Indians, who were occupying much of the territory where this lost civilization once existed, called them the Anasazi--a word meaning "Ancient Enemy"--and they avoided the ruins, believing they were inhabited by chindi, or ghosts.

Not surprisingly, American archeologists focused on the Anasazi and their great works, and they became the most intensely studied prehistoric culture in North America. A standard picture emerged, based on wide-ranging excavations of sites and on detailed ethnographic research among the Hopi, Zuni, and other Pueblo Indian tribes, who are the Anasazi's descendants. The Anasazi were--so the findings suggested--peaceful farmers, and they attained astonishing results in engineering, architecture, and art. The center of this cultural flowering, from the tenth century to the twelfth, seems to have been Chaco Canyon, New Mexico, a windswept gulch in the apparently endless sagebrush desert of the San Juan Basin. Chaco is marked by immense stone structures, some up to four stories high, called Great Houses. The largest, Pueblo Bonito, contains some six hundred and fifty rooms, and its construction required more than thirty thousand tons of shaped sandstone blocks. The Chaco Anasazi also built hundreds of miles of roads that stretched out from Chaco Canyon across the landscape in arrow-straight lines-an engineering marvel achieved without compass, wheel, or beast of burden. They erected shrines, solar and astronomical observatories, irrigation systems, and a network of signalling stations. They constructed more than a hundred Great Houses outside Chaco Canyon, spreading them over fifty thousand square miles of the Four Comers region of the Southwest. Many of these outlying Great Houses seem to have been connected to Chaco by the radiating pattern of roads. Archeologists today call this cultural explosion "the Chaco phenomenon." But the phenomenon ended abruptly around 1150 A.D., when a vast collapse apparently occurred, and Chaco, along with some of the outlying sites, was largely abandoned.

Equally remarkable was the Chaco society. It seemed to be almost utopian. The Anasazi, the traditional view held, had no absolute rulers, or even a ruling class, but governed themselves through consensus, as the Pueblo Indians do today. They were a society without rich or poor. Warfare and violence were rare, or perhaps unknown. The Anasazi were believed to be profoundly spiritual, and to live in harmony with nature.

As a result, the Anasazi captured the fancy of people outside the archeological profession, and particularly those in the New Age movement, many of whom see themselves as the Anasazi's spiritual descendants. The ruins of Chaco Canyon have long been a New Age mecca, to the point where one of the sites had to be closed, because New Agers were burying crystals and illegally arranging to have their ashes scattered there. During Harmonic Convergence, in 1987, thousands gathered in Chaco Canyon and joined hands, chanting and praying. People have also flocked to the villages of the present-day Pueblo Indians--the Hopi in particular--seeking a spirituality outside Western civilization. The Hopi Themselves, along with other Pueblo Indian descendants of the Anasazi, feel a deep reverence for their prehistoric ancestors.

In 1967, a young physical anthropologist named Christy Turner II began looking at the Anasazi in a new light. He happened to be examining Anasazi teeth in the Museum of Northern Arizona, in Flagstaff, attempting to trace a peculiar trait known as the three-rooted first molar. On the last day of his research, he asked the curator to pull down a large, coffin-shaped cardboard box from a top shelf. The accession record said that the box contained remains from a remote area along Polacca Wash, an arroyo situated below First Mesa, on the Hopi Indian Reservation. The remains had been excavated in 1964 by an archeologist named Alan P. Olson. Turner removed the lid and found himself gazing at a bizarre collection of more than a thousand human bone shards. Thirty years later, when he described the experience to me, the memory was still vivid. "Holy smokes!" he recalled having exclaimed to himself "What happened here? This looks exactly like food trash." The fragments reminded him of broken and burned animal bones that he had found in prehistoric Anasazi garbage mounds. As he looked more closely, another thought struck him. Like many physical anthropologists, he had sometimes done forensic work for police departments. Once, in California, the police had asked him to examine some remains that had been found in the Oakland Hills--a skeleton still wearing a pair of boots. Turner had informed the police that the person had been savagely beaten to death. "Now," he told me, "I could see the same violence done to the Polacca Wash bones."

Turner borrowed the bones from the museum and took them to Arizona State University, where he was a professor. In 1969, he presented his findings in a paper he read at an archeological meeting in Santa Fe. Word of what the paper would say had got around, and the room was packed. Co-written with a colleague of Turner's named Nancy Morris, the paper was entitled "A Massacre at Hopi." Turner informed the audience that the bones belonged to a group of thirty people--mostly women and children--who had been "killed, crudely dismembered, violently mutilated," and that the heads, in particular, showed extreme trauma: "Every skull is smashed, chiefly from the front, and massively so.... The faces were crushed while still covered with flesh." Most of the skulls had received a number of "blunt, heavy, club-like fracturing blows." The bone material had still been "vital" at the time the blows were struck. He wrote, "The many small pieces of unweathered teeth and skulls and postcranial scrap suggest, but do not prove, that the death of these people occurred at the burial site." Moreover, "every skull, regardless of age or sex, had the brain exposed." Heads had been placed on flat rocks and smashed open, apparently so that the brain could be removed.

He went on to say that most of the bones--not only the skulls--also showed marks of cutting, chopping, dismemberment, butchering, "defleshing," and roasting. The larger bones had been broken apart and the marrow scraped out, or, in the case of spongy bone, reamed out. Turner and Morris concluded that the Polacca Wash bones represented "the most convincing evidence of cannibalism in all Southwest archaeology."

Turner said that Olson, the original excavator, had been wrong in assuming that the bones were prehistoric, for Turner had had the bones radiocarbon-dated, and the results had come back as 1580 A.D. plus or minus ninety-five years. Given the date, Turner wondered whether some record or legend might still exist relating what happened.

When he talked with me, he said, "We knew who the bods were. There were a certain number of kids and females. We looked at dental morphology. We got a good match with Hopi. So we asked ourselves, 'What is there in oral tradition about a whole bunch of Hopi being killed and eaten, or massacred, of this age and sex composition, at this date?' "

Turner eventually concluded that the Polacca Wash site was a place known in Hopi legend as the Death Mound. Hopi informants had first described the legend to an anthropologist at the end of the nineteenth century. According to the story, sometime in the late sixteen hundreds a Hopi village called Awatovi had been largely converted to Christianity under the influence of Spanish friars. In addition, the people of Awatovi practiced witchcraft, which the Hopi considered a heinous crime. Eventually, five other Hopi villages decided to purge the tribe of this spiritual stain. An attack was organized by the chief of Awatovi himself, who had become disgusted with his own people. Warriors from the other villages attacked the errant village at dawn, surprising most of the men inside the kivas--sunken ceremonial chambers of the Pueblo Indians--and burning them alive. After killing the men, the warriors captured groups of women and children. As one of these groups was being marched away, a dispute broke out over which village would get to keep the captives. The argument got out of hand. In a rage, the warriors settled it by torturing, killing, and dismembering all the captives. Their bodies were left at a place called Mas-teo'-mo, or Death Mound. "If the stories are correct," the anthropologist who first collected these legends wrote, "the final butchery at Mas-teo'-mo must have been horrible."https://www.prestonchild.com/books/thunderhead/Cannibals-of-the-Canyon-by-Douglas-Preston;art46,62

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The researcher has seen evidence from many other sites.

The cognitive dissonance prevents many from admitting that social veneers are very thin.

IMO there is a deeply embedded willingness to survive at all costs in humans who rule the social landscape. Is it a far stretch from racism, sexism and bullying to actually being willing to kill one another and even eat one another for the "good of survival?"
In the past maybe only those who were willing made the "cut".
Is this part of what created the barbaric nature of human social contexts to date? The survivors were all from the lineages which would cooperate with the slaughter and would rather eat one another than die off?

Some people ARE vegetarian because they will not cooperate with the "slaughter". Knowing that physical existence is not all and like Wind said (don't have the quote) before in a thread, there is more to lose than life... does KNOWING that change us? (asking?)

Wind
11th March 2018, 18:38
That surely is something to think about.

"Ideals are peaceful. History is violent.

During times of crisis the most heroic and also most horrifying things are witnessed.

Upholding peace is hard and demanding, resorting to violence and chaos is easy. It's a rather grim thing to understand, but that's our history in a nutshell.

That is not to stay that we humans couldn't overcome our violent tendencies. Perhaps if something were to occur to our collective consciousness in a way that it would get elevated beyond the level where it currently is (which is very low) then we could see much better behaviour. At this stage violence is ensued if things go sour and often they do. That anyone can see just by reading the history books, you don't even have to do that actually. You'll see it everywhere, just in a smaller scale. Individuals and even groups can be harbours of peace, but society at large is still not doing that.

I have my hopes about the future, but also knowing human behaviour I do have my doubts, or should I say realistic expectations. That's something I still struggle with, realistically speaking I don't have much faith in humanity, but I do have faith in many humans.

Aragorn
11th March 2018, 18:45
I'm a vegetarian though.

I'm not, because my body is omnivorous and requires that I consume meat as part of my diet. :p Still, I would rather die than resort to cannibalism, and I also disapprove of the consumption of species that are very closely related to humans, be it biologically or spiritually. For instance, certain cultures hunt and eat monkeys and apes, and I have very strong moral objections to that. A gorilla for instance shares more than 96% of its DNA with humans.

I also object against any kind of food — whether nutritional or recreational — in which human milk is used, because that too brings it ethically close to cannibalism. A mother's milk is intended for her baby, not for the recreational pleasure of adults to whom she isn't even in the slightest related. There have unfortunately already been market experiments over here on account of ice cream made with human milk. :belief:

Lastly, the meat I eat must come from herbivores or omnivores — and in the latter case, the only meat from an omnivore I will eat is ham, and on a rare occasion also a little bit of bacon — and may not come from a carnivore. So I will not eat meat from dogs or cats. Chinese culture for instance considers dogs as consumable, and during World Wars I and II, many people here in Europe — including restaurants — caught and killed stray cats, and then served them up as rabbit. I've been told that it tastes the same, but I don't even like the taste of rabbit meat.

In the late 1990s and early 2000s, certain restaurants over here in Belgium also began serving exotic types of meat, such as kangaroo steaks and slices from a crocodile's tail. I've always refused to even try that. I've always considered kangaroos as a kind of pet animals — even though I know that Australians will disagree, and my Aussie ex used to call them a pest because they ruin crops and people's gardens :p — and crocodiles are carnivores, plus that they're also reptiles. The "lowest" animal category on the evolutionary ladder that I will eat is avian — chicken or turkey, although I've eaten duck once too, and I must say it tasted rather good.

I am very picky on account of food and there is way more that I do not like than that I do like. And that's only my taste. My ethical considerations sit on top of that. ;)

Wind
11th March 2018, 19:01
My comment was written tongue in cheek even though I am a vegetarian. My dog reminds me of a small pig so I wonder why I would want to eat pigs either. I like cows too, alive. I don't want to derail the conversation with this topic though. I'm just driven by my own moral compass. Everyone should be their own moral judge of their character and actions. Personally I hate violence and killing, that's that. I could write an essay about violence, but I think that's a topic for another time, another place. I hope no one minds my occasional dark humour, but if it wasn't my sense of humour I would have gone completely nuts a long time ago.

Maggie
11th March 2018, 19:16
That surely is something to think about.

"Ideals are peaceful. History is violent.

During times of crisis the most heroic and also most horrifying things are witnessed.

Upholding peace is hard and demanding, resorting to violence and chaos is easy. It's a rather grim thing to understand, but that's our history in a nutshell.

That is not to stay that we humans couldn't overcome our violent tendencies. Perhaps if something were to occur to our collective consciousness in a way that it would get elevated beyond the level where it currently is (which is very low) then we could see much better behaviour. At this stage violence is ensued if things go sour and often they do. That anyone can see just by reading the history books, you don't even have to do that actually. You'll see it everywhere, just in a smaller scale. Individuals and even groups can be harbours of peace, but society at large is still not doing that.

I have my hopes about the future, but also knowing human behaviour I do have my doubts, or should I say realistic expectations. That's something I still struggle with, realistically speaking I don't have much faith in humanity, but I do have faith in many humans.

What really disappoints me generally is my observation that you cannot wait until a crisis to prepare for peace.
My experience with various groups is that people are just not interested generally is looking 7 generations removed (to use the expression of some native american tribes). More and more I just see existence from crisis to crisis and the niggling fear (and in some minds HOPE) that all will just collapse. Preppers think they MIGHT be the ones to survive (but what THEN?) and politicians are thinking about elections and their golden parachutes.

Look at someone in the face who thinks herself such a great citizen and so religious and so smart and challenge her and she will think one very rude. That is an easy way to become unpopular. My thought is "It's your children's funeral" because I have no kids and my lineage ends. Isn't the grandchild what one longs to nurture? It is like a lost cause IMO when people actually crave disasters to strike (when it hurts an enemy).

Most people I know (even affluent ones) are thinking form "check to check" and maybe about their children's tuition (but what THEN?). We have had such affleunce and what has "civilization" really done? Is it that I am just cynical but maybe realistic that humans are not capable of the reasoning that will drive US to be the evolutionary winners. Unfortunately without a huge degree of altruistic self awareness and willingness to stand FOR that future when the 7th generation is thriving from all the efforts we make now, the slick and the well endowed humans (with social popularity and seemingly well fed and powerful) are just food for the moon.

Worms are very high protein.

https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2016/08/09/worms_wide-e8da960b5daacceea37d998531de3541d6041f21-s800-c85.jpeg


I don't want to derail the conversation with this topic though. I'm just driven by my own moral compass. Everyone should be their own moral judge of their character and actions.

The fact that discussing (not eating) and meat eating always becomes a verbal fight in threads is telling. Food IS about taste that drives the tongues. People COULD eat grass and worms if it was just for nourishment. I won't keep posting about it either as I consider it all now about what I DO. I DO drink milk and eat cheese and eggs from my chickens. I don't eat worms but know it could be easy to gets me some in my yard. Not a yum for now but who knows?

https://www.outdoorlife.com/blogs/survivalist/2014/07/survival-skills-3-safe-bugs-and-how-eat-them

Maggie
11th March 2018, 19:24
Here is another positive thought.....


Engineer develops method for growing mature, dense food forests in just 10 years
Most of the world we live in today was once forest, our natural habitat for millions of years.

Now surrounded by cities and agriculture, humans are no longer living in their “natural” habitat, argues a forest-building engineer named Shubhendu Sharma.
But we can recreate little chunks of that habitat in just ten years our own backyards, workplaces and public spaces, he explains in the Ted Talk below:

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Shubhendu Sharma was an industrial engineer for Toyota hired to offset some of the carbon emissions of the company’s factories.
His solution was to plant mini forests right next door. Since then his company Afforest has helped “build” 75 such forests in 25 cities across the world.
Sharma’s forests grow 10 times faster, are 100 times more biodiverse and 30 times more lush than typical reforestation projects.
He used his model for manufacturing as many cars as possible per square feet of factory space and applied it to growing trees.
His methods enable him to grow a 300-tree forest in the space of 6 parked cars.

Amazingly, the cost of growing a forest is roughly the same as an iPhone.
https://returntonow.net/2018/03/08/100-year-old-food-forest/

Emil El Zapato
11th March 2018, 22:30
The funny thing about action is it does not solve the problem of readiness if the whole idea behind 'prepping' is making ones' being threadable through the pinhole. That's my personal intuition, backed up by things like a past dream which I shared.... Yeah I know..
Backed up by several things only amounting to hear say. Which is just as useful as any inclinations regards prepping.
But from what I can deduce, no one will get a free ticket. You either can pass through the 'scanners' or you cant.
You want to prep your family with lots of food and guns? Well that may help if you are all good with your soul. But it wont do diddly if not. Those ones, the greedy fearful ones who want to save their lives, will likely just be shot and over run by the 1st few waves of marauders.
I am expecting to see quite a bit of poetry unfold in those sorts of scenarios. You can run but you can't hide kind of thing.
All these people wanting to work out what might happen so they can focus on some way to survive. That is hilarious to me.

Interesting thought...it could be those are the ones that feel like they 'really' have something to worry about...hmm, of course, why not?

Cannibalism? meh...I can take it or leave it...like most meats I don't really have a driving need for it. Now give me some good beans and I'm happy as a vegetarian clam.

enjoy being
12th March 2018, 06:02
What really disappoints me generally is my observation that you cannot wait until a crisis to prepare for peace.
My experience with various groups is that people are just not interested generally is looking 7 generations removed (to use the expression of some native american tribes). More and more I just see existence from crisis to crisis and the niggling fear (and in some minds HOPE) that all will just collapse. Preppers think they MIGHT be the ones to survive (but what THEN?) and politicians are thinking about elections and their golden parachutes.

Look at someone in the face who thinks herself such a great citizen and so religious and so smart and challenge her and she will think one very rude. That is an easy way to become unpopular. My thought is "It's your children's funeral" because I have no kids and my lineage ends. Isn't the grandchild what one longs to nurture? It is like a lost cause IMO when people actually crave disasters to strike (when it hurts an enemy).

Most people I know (even affluent ones) are thinking form "check to check" and maybe about their children's tuition (but what THEN?). We have had such affleunce and what has "civilization" really done? Is it that I am just cynical but maybe realistic that humans are not capable of the reasoning that will drive US to be the evolutionary winners. Unfortunately without a huge degree of altruistic self awareness and willingness to stand FOR that future when the 7th generation is thriving from all the efforts we make now, the slick and the well endowed humans (with social popularity and seemingly well fed and powerful) are just food for the moon.

Worms are very high protein.

https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2016/08/09/worms_wide-e8da960b5daacceea37d998531de3541d6041f21-s800-c85.jpeg



The fact that discussing (not eating) and meat eating always becomes a verbal fight in threads is telling. Food IS about taste that drives the tongues. People COULD eat grass and worms if it was just for nourishment. I won't keep posting about it either as I consider it all now about what I DO. I DO drink milk and eat cheese and eggs from my chickens. I don't eat worms but know it could be easy to gets me some in my yard. Not a yum for now but who knows?

https://www.outdoorlife.com/blogs/survivalist/2014/07/survival-skills-3-safe-bugs-and-how-eat-them

Thanks for 'fleshing out' the notion I was alluding to.
I had a mate say he would eat the dead. I was shocked at knowing that, and he was almost a little ridiculing of me saying I dont desire life that much that I would defile my morals. Of course one would expect that once the already dead were eaten, people would then start being killed... or well it is a slippery slope.

But yes, that was all really a minor part of the point, regards the eager preppers. And yes, such topics will always draw out absolution.
The same with such questions as "What would you do if you were the ruler of the world for a day or week" type questions.
Folk who may well speak out normally for the down trodden, will come up with all types of retributions and new laws and 'benevolent' dictatorial schemes.
Or they will pamper themselves with power and luxury..
The disease of power and responsibility.
Often to me, it seems that the people who are so very keen to survive and prepare in such over the tops ways, are perhaps going to be the types who will then feel they have inherited the right to be lords of the new world, and they will likely be some of the first to try an be a leader in a new community, and they will probably begin employing the same old techniques of control as the old world. Very dangerous people potentially.
Of course there are people who a just prudent and organised and I am not totally anti it all, just raising the points and the points between the lines.
If there IS a chance for the population to be cleansed of archetypes and old ways, then those sorts are the types who will be effectively smuggling the human disease through the aperture. And if that were the case, I would suggest that that would not actually be the aperture, and the real aperture would come later. There would be several stages, the first aftermath stage being where all those 'usual suspects' loot and shoot each other. Done in quite a headshakingly sad way, the shelves will be stripped bare by selfish panic, then they will all shoot each other (in the USA anyway) then all the products from the shelves will still be un touched, but in dead people's stashes, I am picking that then a second wave of looters, called ferreters, will go about collecting this stuff up, and ferret hunters will try and rob those ones. The cycle is likely to happen a few more times, same food supplies, multiple squabbles over it.
Then you will get to the stage of those who were prepared-ish and went into hiding for long enough for all that previous lot to kill each other.. and they will come out of hiding to try and restock and it is here where they may well form alliances, but only after quite a bit of paranoia over others. At that point, it will become like the wild west, factions and local war lords.
The whole thing could take a considerable amount of time to play out.
Dragging the whole thing out. Half sigh, half chuckle.

Dreamtimer
12th March 2018, 12:14
As a kid we learned about the Donner pass and the family that ended up resorting to cannibalism to survive.

In the pepper world there is a name for it, long pork, because that's how we supposedly taste.:vom::belief:

I'd arm myself primarily for the purpose of defending myself against those who decide to take what they want. There will without doubt be people who want to become warlord types. Or gang leader types.

Maggie
12th March 2018, 13:58
As a kid we learned about the Donner pass and the family that ended up resorting to cannibalism to survive.

In the pepper world there is a name for it, long pork, because that's how we supposedly taste.:vom::belief:

I'd arm myself primarily for the purpose of defending myself against those who decide to take what they want. There will without doubt be people who want to become warlord types. Or gang leader types.

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it seems that the people who are so very keen to survive and prepare in such over the tops ways, are perhaps going to be the types who will then feel they have inherited the right to be lords of the new world, and they will likely be some of the first to try an be a leader in a new community, and they will probably begin employing the same old techniques of control as the old world.

I am neither prepping with stuff or have a gun. It really does not interest me at all to just survive. What I plan is no huge catastrophes, the continuation of chaotic nodes in spots and the wake up. The sense I make is that permaculture and knowing the basics of human skills returns art and craft to the fore front of importance. The experiment with mass "production" will be abandoned for the continuity of hand made and creative brain generated skills.

We need a massive change of perspective that is looking from a much larger context. It is not about prepping to save what we have. It is about abandoning what we have for something much better. Sure, preppers learn "survival" skills but IMO not "thrival" skills.

This is not what we may establish IN THE MIDST of crisis so IMO the realization that we choose to create the foundation we live on is needed. now while we have the freedom. We are IMO refusing to achknowledge that our own thinking and actions are stupid. The whole focus on consumption and "gadgets" along with mass production to suit the machine DOES NOT SERVE US. Who accepts this ridiculous way of life? It's US ourselves.

It is so POSSIBLE to do a whole new "thing" because we have the "low" tech knowledge (tech that can be done by hand in one's own home and workshop) right now to follow a different path NOW and one generation is all it needs to establish. I can see the vision so clearly.

I choose the road with the low tech that stabilizes us because we can carry it with us in migrations as the ancients could. This means we learned something important and need not be repeating the past.
If the artificial social world does devolve to repeat the past war lords and serfs, then THAT means the cycle we have deplored was recreated AGAIN.
IMO we are talking about this pictogram.

http://www.crystalinks.com/hopiprophecyrock.jpg

http://www.crystalinks.com/hopiprophrockbw.jpg


Near Oraibi, Arizona, there is a petroglyph known as Prophecy Rock which symbolizes many Hopi prophecies. Its interpretation is:

The large human figure on the left is the Great Spirit. The bow in his left hand represents his instructions to the Hopi to lay down their weapons. The vertical line to the right of the Great Spirit is a time scale in thousands of years. The point at which the great Spirit touches the line is the time of his return.
The "life path" established by the Great Spirit divides into the lower, narrow path of continuous Life in harmony with nature and the wide upper road of white man's scientific achievements. The bar between the paths, above the cross, is the coming of white men; the Cross is that of Christianity. The circle below the cross represents the continuous Path of Life.

The four small human figures on the upper road represent, on one level, the past three worlds and the present; on another level, the figures indicate that some of the Hopi will travel the white man's path, having been seduced by its glamour.

The two circles on the lower Path of Life are the "great shaking of the earth" (World Wars One and Two).

The swastika in the sun and the Celtic cross represent the two helpers of Pahana, the True White Brother.

The short line that returns to the straight Path of Life is the last chance for people to turn back to nature before the upper road disintegrates and dissipates. The small circle above the Path of Life, after the last chance, is the Great Purification, after which corn will grow in abundance again when the Great Spirit returns. And the Path of Life continues forever...

The Hopi shield in the lower right corner symbolizes the Earth and the Four-Corners area where the Hopi have been reserved. The arms of the cross also represent the four directions in which they migrated according to the instructions of the Great Spirit.

The dots represent the four colors of Hopi corn, and the four racial colors of humanity.
http://www.crystalinks.com/hopi2.html

Maggie
12th March 2018, 14:18
In the event of earth change crisis, people who have a strong sense of community ethics are much more able to manage well. I invision a new earth community where all abide in peace because we know it works. It feels sad that this is not what I see appreciated at the moment. I don't believe I am responsible for the confusion. I am responsible for my actions towards my choice. Here is a great example of ethics that I just ran across:


This is the most recent research article by the Ghost . . . a Mvskoke-Creek Keeper in Alabama. It describes cultural practices among the Mvskoke-Creeks during the 1700s and 1800s. As most of you are aware, the Creek Confederacy was composed of many ethnic groups, which brought with them their own traditions. At least twice, even the Chickasaw were members of the Creek Confederacy. Over time, these traditions mixed to become what the Ghost is describing below. Something like 25,000 Creeks from South Carolina and eastern Georgia never joined the most recent Creek Confederacy, or else parted ways, when a mixed-blood Tory in Alabama became Principal Chief during the latter stages of the American Revolution. Much of my research, nowadays, is devoted to determining what these older traditions were. The Editor



Q & A WITH GHOST DANCER, CREEK INDIAN WISDOM KEEPER
Q: Can you please shine a light on crimes and punishments for murder, theft, and adultery, and how they were handled by those peoples who lived according to the old ways. Please also explain how changes and misconceptions came about over time, especially as relates to the punishment of women for adultery by cutting off the tip of the nose. How were men punished for adultery?

A: Much has been written by non-Native observers about the ways of the Creeks, but little has been written by traditional Creeks who fully understand the nuances of the ancient culture. To even begin to understand the old ways, one must first understand two fundamental basics that have been so watered down for generations that they have lost their meaning or been forgotten.

The Blood Laws may be seen as the Constitution or Supreme Law the Mvskoke, Mvskoge lived by. These laws were just and were applied as needed to guide every aspect of community life, including crimes and punishments.


Our society was a true Matriarchy. You must get used to the understanding of this. It means that women were in actual control and were the power of our nation! It does not mean that benevolent male leaders graciously allowed the input of the women in decision making.


As most people understand, we were a matrilineal society: Our clan was determined by our mother’s blood clan, not our father’s. Clan mothers ruled with absolute authority over their clan. Each clan had its own clan mother. But understand also: The clan mothers decided what was best for the people – not the mekko! The mekko was only mekko because the clan mothers gave him that power!

Now also get used to the idea and fact of this as well: the more powerful in status a woman was, the more she had. This includes how many husbands she had. If a man could provide for them, he could have more than one wife, but women could have more than more one husband also. Why? Because of the power of her bloodline, she wanted more children for her clan. Making her clan stronger and more powerful added to their status as well. To truly understand our ways, you must first open your mind and forget all the European influences, customs and beliefs you have been taught.

Our women knew their power and enjoyed it. They were not ashamed of their sexuality and their unique ability to produce new life. The Europeans were a Patriarchy in which women held little status unless it came through her husband’s favor. European and American men could not understand or accept the Native’s matriarchal society and saw it as a threat to their beliefs and control over women.

Amongst our people, all land was controlled by the women, as were our homes. Men owned nothing other than their personal items, weapons and tools. Not even a mekko. A mekko was simply the best man chosen by the clan mothers, who could lead the warriors and speak for the people in behalf of the clan mothers. In seriousness, he was no more than a great general or war leader, or a great leader in peace time when the safety and governing of the town fell to his responsibility. The concepts of the mekko being tantamount to a king came from the other cultural practices. It was never part of traditional Creek culture.

The Seven Foundations of our Blood Laws were: Honor, Respect, Courage, Honesty, Compassion, Humbleness, and Love.

Judgments and punishments for all crimes, and resolutions for all problems were decided by the clan mothers. No mekko decided the blood laws. This was done by the clan mothers only. The mekko was responsible for making sure that the decisions of the clan mothers were carried out. But understand this: The punishments always fit the crime, and always the seven (7) Foundations of the Blood Laws had to be applied.

Banishment – separation from the life of the community – was the punishment for many misdeeds. Depending on the circumstances of each particular case, banishment could be for 6 months, 1 year, 2 years, 5 years or forever.

Punishment was swift and harsh, but even murder was a forgivable crime if it was for just cause. It could be that the guilty party would undergo terrible punishment and then be required to take the place of the one murdered to fulfill his family responsibilities.

It goes against our traditional beliefs and blood laws to keep hate or anger in our hearts. We must release it lest it contaminates and poisons our spirit, body and homes. Therefore, even when we went to war, it was for one purpose – to balance the scale. Then the fight was over as far as we were concerned. Not so with the Europeans.

Regarding theft: only the theft of a sacred object could cause much of a ruckus. If someone’s personal items were stolen, the clan mothers would have the guilty one beaten and punished, and the items returned or compensated for with interest.

According to the Blood Laws, once a person has been punished and the issue has been settled by the clan mothers, never again is this matter spoken of or held against the person who committed the offense. To do so would violate our beliefs that holding bad feelings corrupts and poisons the town, band, tribe or village and individual bodies, hearts and spirits.

The European’s Systematic Annihilation of an Ancient Culture

After the Europeans had thoroughly influenced the white towns long enough, someone like me, a red-stick who holds to the traditional beliefs and practices, would be charged as a witch or spell-caster because his or her beliefs and practices did not conform to what they believed or were taught.

So, understand that what you have heard or read in the past was seen or documented through the filter of a totally different world view that never really understood the traditional beliefs and practices of the Native Peoples.

Now, about the cutting of a woman’s nose for adultery. That never happened in the real old days. This punishment only came into play after the Europeans came in. Creek women had liberties that the Europeans could not fathom. European women were not free, nor did they have high status in the European beliefs or cultures. The European’s teachings and religious beliefs were used to try to knock down the matriarch-dominant status of the people when the ministers started teaching about the “sin” of adultery in the white towns.

This didn’t happen all at once. Adultery only became an issue with the Creeks when women began selling their bodies to the Europeans in return for goods they wanted. If caught, their noses were cut by law, but they were not put to death. And yes, for a woman to sell herself back then could not be understood by any clan mother. Since a clan was always there to help a clan member, especially a woman, no person went hungry or without. A clan mother would never allow that. In any town you went to, even in other tribes or bands, any member of your clan that lived there was required to help you in every way. That is another of the blood laws which assures that clan members always have a place to sleep, food and clothing as well.

Otherwise, under normal circumstances, a woman could not be charged with adultery. A married woman could easily divorce her husband. If she didn’t want her him any more, she just placed his clothes and moccasins outside the house. This told everyone, the marriage was over between the two of them.

If a man was caught violating his beloved’s honor, however, she could demand his testicles be burnt if she wanted or he could be beaten by her clan. He would suffer terrible manhood tortures in his groin area if found guilty. But as I said, the punishment would be up to the woman and her clan mother and the females of her clan.

Now don’t misunderstand this, unless the wife divorced him, an adulterer was still responsible for providing meat from the hunt and to help take care of the fields and gardens. Responsibility for the children fell mostly on the mother’s clan. The only way a man could divorce his wife was for his clan mother to arranged it.

Blood Laws Governed Every Aspect of Life

Some examples of basic Blood Laws:

Everyone to look after all elders, and the children especially. Our elders are beloved ones who have such knowledge and gifts to teach to our young and adult alike. Our children are our future. We must protect them and help them in their path.
That every member of each clan looks out for their clan members. Help them and even discipline them when it is needed. No member is to do without or be in need while other members are okay.
No member of the nation can be turned away when needing help (physically, materially, spiritually, emotionally, or any other way) by a town, tribe, band or village. The clan mother of each clan will is in charge of collecting, storing, distributing all food or materials for the clan. Many times, she oversees this or appoints another she is grooming to become a clan mother.
Each member of the town, village, band, or tribe must work in the communal fields of the food supply. No matter their rank. Yes, even clan mothers, mekkos and beloved ones. This puts their love, energy, prayers, sweat, back into the mother earth, and into all the plant people that are being cared for. These fields belong to the people, not just one person. Each clan or each family can, and usually do, have their own garden behind their home as well.
No person can be harmed who comes to a white town, band, village, tribe of their own free will to speak, trade, negotiate, or seek shelter. Even if this person is an enemy of the people. This is a peace sanctuary.
No person may give away, trade, sell, or any such form, any property that belongs to the people or clan.
No sacred areas can be violated by any outsider, nor are they allowed to see or cross these sacred areas.
No person shall conduct any business of selling or trading during any religious ceremony.
All life is respected and no person takes more from the bounty of the land than they need to live. Nothing is wasted.
Only those qualified who hold knowledge in certain areas were ever allowed to conduct religious ceremonies, to administer medicines or perform surgeries.
Only those with the knowledge and experience are authorized to handle and prepare the body of any person that has taken the journey to the next life.
Every child is a precious gift. Every member is duty and honor bound to help, protect, and see to the well-being of each child. This also applies to every elder, those who are injured, sick, and such. Every warrior is expected to help provide fish, meat, hides and such to those in need. Any warrior, who fails to do this is violating the blood law.
Further insights:

Most folks are not aware of how the Creek Confederation was formed, for what purpose, and how powerful this alliance was. Our people’s strength was our religion and our working with other nations as one.

When we battled another nation, we didn’t take their lands, people, or make them practice our beliefs etc. – we made them our allies! They kept their language, religious practices, leaders, everything. The only thing we required was that they be our ally, and when they had anyone attack them, we would come and fight with them and make the attackers pay. They in turn must come to our aid when we needed them.

Unlike Europeans who, when defeating someone in battle, took their people as slaves, killed their leaders, and outlawed their beliefs, religion, languages and such, we shared in trade, arts, crafts, ceremonies and knowledge. We practiced the Blood Laws and applied the Seven Foundations: Honor, Respect, Courage, Honesty, Compassion, Humbleness, and Love, in all these matters.

We intermarried and strengthened our gene pool keeping it from becoming too closely related. As required by our blood laws, clan mothers must check the blood lines of anyone and everyone who is to be married so that certain blood lines are not crossed. Certain clans were related so they could not intermarry.

The blood laws forbade the taking of any woman sexually by force, even an enemy or captive. Even though they are not members of the tribe or nation, all women were considered sacred and must be respected as such. A captive could become adopted by the people if she or he chose to. Then they could marry as our laws allowed and when adopted, they would become a full member, not thought of as an adopted outsider as some other cultures did.

When I hear of all the claims by Europeans that the women of their people were violated during an attack, or raid, or war, I know that is an outright lie, for it goes against the very basics of our people’s beliefs. Remember this: All war, raids, or attacks were conducted under religious guidance. So please understand that all warriors were bound to abide by these laws. Nor were captured women sexually violated. That could not happen either. Just because rape was common practice among the Europeans, they assumed it would apply to our people as well.

Always, these accusations were spoken to stir up the populations by those in charge who had ulterior motives. What better way for the European traders and speculators and those who governed as well, to get men angry and stirred up, than to claim that their women had been raped and tortured to death by brutal savages? The fact is, that was never, ever true. If a warrior acted even, anyway near like that, he would be harshly punished by his own family and clan.

Just like the common practice of spreading smallpox through contaminated blankets, inflicting guilt, undermining the natural honor and discipline of the Native people, and promoting heightened fears were all just part of the ultimate scheme to control and get them out of the way in order to steal their land so rich in natural resources.

Most people have no clue about the true way we lived, our matriarchy, or the religious practices which controlled every aspect of our lives. I’m not saying there were not bad apples. There are bad apples in every race, culture, and nation in the world, but among our people, those were dealt with swiftly and severely.

When the people all lived by the blood laws, crime as we understand it, was extremely rare. There were only certain crimes that carried horrifying death sentences automatically.

The murder of, or sexually harming a child, or any elder, or holy person.
Desecration of any burial grounds, sacred mounds, sacred grounds, sacred fire or any sacred items or objects.
Rape or attempted rape of any female.
Now, as we know, history as written by the victors, never tells the full truth. In the case of the Creeks, the Europeans and Americans did an excellent job of “divide and conquer” – a divide that lasts even unto this day.

From the Red Stick perspective, over time, leaders in the upper red towns saw how the Europeans undermined and destroyed the age-old balance of the matriarchal way of life in the lower white towns. They felt the hunger caused by the overkill of deer and other game to satisfy the European thirst for hides – the blood laws about taking only what was needed were broken, the balance destroyed in the white towns. They saw the great forests cut down and the wood shipped to Europe at great profit.

The Red Sticks were branded as fearsome and hostile because they chose not to sit by and allow this to happen to their people. They refused to allow the Christian schools or religions taught in their towns and lands. They refused to just step aside and allow unscrupulous manipulators, speculators and governments to destroy their way of life and steal their land. This is what really caused the Red Stick Wars.

Now days, the traditional beliefs are almost totally forgotten in their original form. Too much has been mixed with European beliefs and customs and even with other Native tribal customs. For those who choose to follow the old ways, our Spirit lives on in the Blood Laws we honor and faithfully keep.

Respectfully,

Ghost

Note: For more than 40 years, Ghost Dancer has lived by and taught the old ways. As a young man, Ghost was blessed to find traditional Creek mentors and teachers, Phillip Deere and Billy Proctor, among the spiritual leaders of the American Indian Movement protests in South Dakota in the 1970s. The influence of these men was instrumental in guiding Ghost to become a strong spiritual leader in his own right, and a lifelong activist for religious freedom for all Native people.https://peopleofonefire.com/crime-punishment-and-the-blood-law-in-the-mvskoke-creek-nation-an-article-by-the-ghost.html

Aragorn
12th March 2018, 17:50
As a kid we learned about the Donner pass and the family that ended up resorting to cannibalism to survive.

In the pepper world there is a name for it, long pork, because that's how we supposedly taste.:vom::belief:

There, you're doing it again! :p


https://5.imimg.com/data5/KH/OJ/MY-10247618/fresh-bell-pepper-500x500.jpg


I'd arm myself primarily for the purpose of defending myself against those who decide to take what they want. There will without doubt be people who want to become warlord types. Or gang leader types.

That's the exact same thing as what I would do. I don't currently own any (real) firearms, but if anything were to go seriously wrong and there would no longer be any law enforcement, then I'd make sure that I'd get me a firearm, and I would use it to fend off anyone who either plans to have myself (or anyone else) for dinner, or who would feel like taking advantage of the situation in other ways to enrich or empower themselves at the cost of innocent people. :hmm:

Wind
12th March 2018, 20:10
Here's Aragorn in a post-apocalyptic world, perhaps you'll meet him down The Road.... ;)

https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/infogram-particles-700/1357568_1399000849477.jpg

Aragorn
12th March 2018, 20:13
Here's Aragorn in a post-apocalyptic world, perhaps you'll meet him down The Road.... ;)

https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/infogram-particles-700/1357568_1399000849477.jpg

I don't look that old yet, but yes, I know it's Viggo. ;)

enjoy being
12th March 2018, 20:40
I admire your attitude and clarity Maggie. I kind of have the same aspirations towards such scenarios, but cant remain positive in terms of hoping others would be in numbers.
It seems like the ones who will indeed go and fetch a weapon are in high numbers. I see it as reactionary and of the programmed present mind. I have one friend who has a mountain of food and a small armoury. Several others claim they will go down and ram raid a gun shop if society falls. I each time mentioned they would be driving in convoy with others doing the same thing belatedly, and walk into a gunfight with awaiting police or militia who were expecting them.
I see purchasing a gun as a signal of intent and attitude. It would be hard to not think that way I guess, but in my opinion it makes someone part of the problem. I have no dependants so it is easier to get over that hurdle, and I would rather die defencelessly. I have the attitude that even if there was a gun laying on the ground beside me I would not pick it up. I see those altercations as the setting of the scene. If you were to shoot someone who was also armed, it goes a way to being in ones estimation, justification. Shooting an unarmed person however is a different task for someone to deal with and if it had to be, I would much prefer to be the one shot in that arrangement, and would see it as a positive contribution, albeit unfortunate.

Your posts Maggie... and others, have helped to refocus a few things on the matter, much gratitude.

Emil El Zapato
12th March 2018, 20:49
Here's Aragorn in a post-apocalyptic world, perhaps you'll meet him down The Road.... ;)

https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/infogram-particles-700/1357568_1399000849477.jpg

that was such a sad movie!

I don't worry too much about the end...my nephews got me covered...

Their intended rallying cry in case of serious social breakdown?

"We're coming in hot!" :) they be crazy, for sure....

I forgot to mention my older brother who has owned machine guns for 40 years, has military and law-enforcement training. He scares the hell out of me...always has.

Wind
12th March 2018, 21:04
Jokes aside, I truly hope that it would never come to the point where we will have to see how people will treat each others when society around them falls apart. It might be one potential future though. I'm not always so sure how to express my thoughts about this subject, but as a strong advocate of pacifism I definitely feel conflicted about the use of violence. I think violence is only justified in situations regarding self-defence and those situations only could potentially be without any karmic repercussions. Depending on the circumstances of course.

If my family were to be threatened then yes I do think I would take down the persons who would try to harm them, but on the other hand that's not the part of myself I would ever want to express in any situation. I'd rather would happily die peacefully than to live in a world of chaos where the "strong" or should I say vicious and brutal will survive. That's when you compromise the integrity of your soul, I believe and I think it's too high of a price to be paid. This life is important, but it's not that important in the grander scheme of things. It's just one of many countless ones. Death is easy, living with the consequences of your actions might not be. Of course if you're a psychopath you won't be bothered by any of your actions because you basically don't even have a conscience, but I'm willing to bet that any of us empaths couldn't live with ourselves if we did something which would break our inner moral compass. In the ideal situation I would be able to assist those in need and do what I can. I'm not here to live for myself anyways.

Dreamtimer
13th March 2018, 04:58
The autocorrect clearly prefers peppers and does not recognize the preppers. Oy!

That's a great post, Maggie. Blood law. That is a very smart system.

Aragorn
13th March 2018, 05:14
The autocorrect clearly prefers peppers and does not recognize the preppers. Oy!

You've probably spilled prepperoni sauce on it. :p

enjoy being
13th March 2018, 10:25
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeHT8ziM_zc

:whstl:
Probably just the 2nd 10 minutes makes the point for posting this, it's a bit hard to watch I know, that presentation is totally dramatic..

Aragorn
13th March 2018, 20:08
Returning to the original topic of this thread, I've just found this very informative article below. ;)




Source: NEWSWEEK (http://www.newsweek.com/no-massive-geomagnetic-storm-will-not-hit-earth-march-18-840647)



No, a Massive Geomagnetic Storm Will Not Hit Earth on March 18


Some media outlets have reported that Earth is expecting a “massive magnetic storm (http://www.ibtimes.co.in/magnetic-storm-this-weekend-will-have-massive-impact-humans-telecommunication-763478)” on March 18. That’s wrong, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA). And they would know: Not only does NOAA help people build forecasts for weather here on Earth, they also predict space weather events like geomagnetic storms.

"This story is not plausible in any way, shape or form," Bob Rutledge, who leads NOAA's Space Weather Forecast Center, told Newsweek via e-mail. "Things are all quiet for space weather, and the sun is essentially spotless."

The magnetic storm’s “imminent” arrival was one of Monday morning’s top science news stories, according to Google News. But most coverage appeared to be based on a misinterpretation of a chart posted on Russia’s Lebedev Institute’s website (http://tesis.lebedev.ru/en/forecast_activity.html) showing a minor uptick in geomagnetic activity on the 18th. That elevated activity is expected to be a minor storm at most. (NOAA’s forecast shows similar readings (https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/products/27-day-outlook-107-cm-radio-flux-and-geomagnetic-indices).)

Geomagnetic storms are rated on a scale (https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/noaa-scales-explanation) of G1 to G5, with G5 being the most extreme. On the 18th, readings will likely just reach the threshold for a G1—a minor—geomagnetic storm. G1 storms happen frequently, about 2,000 times every 11 years, or once every two days.

This scale is based in part on an index created from the amount of magnetic deviation a storm might produce on the ground combined with measurements of a variety of currents with fabulous names, including the "auroral electrojets" and the "field-aligned current." The measurement of another type of current is called the "disturbance storm time index," according to NOAA's website (https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/phenomena/geomagnetic-storms).





http://s.newsweek.com/sites/www.newsweek.com/files/styles/full/public/2018/03/12/2003-solar-flare-record.jpg

In this handout photo provided by NASA, a Solar and Heliospheric Observatory image shows Region 486 that unleashed a record flare on November 18, 2003. Solar flares can cause space weather, which can disrupt telecommunications and power grids on Earth.



A massive geomagnetic storm would be a really big deal. A powerful magnetic storm could cause blackouts and damage communications satellites. According to the federal government’s Ready.gov website (https://www.ready.gov/space-weather), one geomagnetic storm in 1859 shocked telegraph operators and set the paper they were working with on fire, while another in 1989 caused a nine-hour blackout in Canada.

If you’re unconvinced that everything is going to be fine on March 18, the Ready.gov website has some tips. Preparing for a major space weather event is a lot like preparing for other kinds of natural disasters. Be sure to have fresh water on hand, gas in your car’s tank and copies of any important documents or information you might need.

And if you’re going to get space weather predictions from somewhere, get them from a scientific authority—not someone on YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS0YwBzgoCY)—and double-check the legends. Just a suggestion.


Source: NEWSWEEK (http://www.newsweek.com/no-massive-geomagnetic-storm-will-not-hit-earth-march-18-840647)

Dreamtimer
13th March 2018, 20:18
There is a coronal hole facing us now which sends energy our way but not a storm on that date. This hole looks a little like a vector to me.
https://sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov/assets/img/latest/latest_256_0131.jpg https://sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov/assets/img/latest/latest_256_0193.jpg
https://sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov/assets/img/latest/latest_256_211193171.jpg https://sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov/assets/img/latest/f_HMImag_171_256.jpg

Dumpster Diver
14th March 2018, 05:21
Returning to the original topic of this thread, I've just found this very informative article below. ;)




Source: NEWSWEEK (http://www.newsweek.com/no-massive-geomagnetic-storm-will-not-hit-earth-march-18-840647)



No, a Massive Geomagnetic Storm Will Not Hit Earth on March 18


Some media outlets have reported that Earth is expecting a “massive magnetic storm (http://www.ibtimes.co.in/magnetic-storm-this-weekend-will-have-massive-impact-humans-telecommunication-763478)” on March 18. That’s wrong, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA). And they would know: Not only does NOAA help people build forecasts for weather here on Earth, they also predict space weather events like geomagnetic storms.

"This story is not plausible in any way, shape or form," Bob Rutledge, who leads NOAA's Space Weather Forecast Center, told Newsweek via e-mail. "Things are all quiet for space weather, and the sun is essentially spotless."

The magnetic storm’s “imminent” arrival was one of Monday morning’s top science news stories, according to Google News. But most coverage appeared to be based on a misinterpretation of a chart posted on Russia’s Lebedev Institute’s website (http://tesis.lebedev.ru/en/forecast_activity.html) showing a minor uptick in geomagnetic activity on the 18th. That elevated activity is expected to be a minor storm at most. (NOAA’s forecast shows similar readings (https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/products/27-day-outlook-107-cm-radio-flux-and-geomagnetic-indices).)

Geomagnetic storms are rated on a scale (https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/noaa-scales-explanation) of G1 to G5, with G5 being the most extreme. On the 18th, readings will likely just reach the threshold for a G1—a minor—geomagnetic storm. G1 storms happen frequently, about 2,000 times every 11 years, or once every two days.

This scale is based in part on an index created from the amount of magnetic deviation a storm might produce on the ground combined with measurements of a variety of currents with fabulous names, including the "auroral electrojets" and the "field-aligned current." The measurement of another type of current is called the "disturbance storm time index," according to NOAA's website (https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/phenomena/geomagnetic-storms).





http://s.newsweek.com/sites/www.newsweek.com/files/styles/full/public/2018/03/12/2003-solar-flare-record.jpg

In this handout photo provided by NASA, a Solar and Heliospheric Observatory image shows Region 486 that unleashed a record flare on November 18, 2003. Solar flares can cause space weather, which can disrupt telecommunications and power grids on Earth.



A massive geomagnetic storm would be a really big deal. A powerful magnetic storm could cause blackouts and damage communications satellites. According to the federal government’s Ready.gov website (https://www.ready.gov/space-weather), one geomagnetic storm in 1859 shocked telegraph operators and set the paper they were working with on fire, while another in 1989 caused a nine-hour blackout in Canada.

If you’re unconvinced that everything is going to be fine on March 18, the Ready.gov website has some tips. Preparing for a major space weather event is a lot like preparing for other kinds of natural disasters. Be sure to have fresh water on hand, gas in your car’s tank and copies of any important documents or information you might need.

And if you’re going to get space weather predictions from somewhere, get them from a scientific authority—not someone on YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS0YwBzgoCY)—and double-check the legends. Just a suggestion.


Source: NEWSWEEK (http://www.newsweek.com/no-massive-geomagnetic-storm-will-not-hit-earth-march-18-840647)

Absolutely. Get your space weather from the guys who bend their data to match up with Al Gore’s dumb ass CO2 warming agenda.

WantDisclosure
14th March 2018, 14:16
Absolutely. Get your space weather from the guys who bend their data to match up with Al Gore’s dumb ass CO2 warming agenda.

Every single one of us on this earth has been programmed since birth by mainstream education and media.

I presume that the motto "Together we make a difference" means we all have a part to play in overcoming that programming, but the task is colossal.

Emil El Zapato
14th March 2018, 15:24
It really isn't. Trust yourself and your highest instincts and you can't go wrong!

WantDisclosure
14th March 2018, 16:04
It really isn't. Trust yourself and your highest instincts and you can't go wrong!
Are you suggesting that there's no point in discussing anything on a forum?

Dreamtimer
14th March 2018, 16:11
Every single one of us on this earth has been programmed since birth by mainstream education and media.

That is very sweeping. There are around 7 billion people on the earth. We have about 350 million here in my country. I can't accept this statement as a fact or piece of truth. There are plenty of people who haven't been programmed. All around the earth.

The most important programming that starts from birth is parenting. Nature and Nurture. We have souls and characters and are not blank slates when we're born.

There are plenty of people who rage against the machine.

Emil El Zapato
14th March 2018, 16:21
Are you suggesting that there's no point in discussing anything on a forum?

lol, that's an excellent point...sometimes it feels that way...but then I have my message to convey as tiresome as it becomes to those on the receiving end.. :)

Trust yourself and your highest instincts and you can't go wrong!

WantDisclosure
14th March 2018, 16:22
There are plenty of people who haven't been programmed. All around the earth.
They're not on TOT posting about what's going on and together trying to make a difference, which was the point of my post.

This thread is about the possibility of pending disaster, and what, if anything we the people should do about it, in view of the fact that generally speaking, the mainstream media and the government cannot be trusted.

Emil El Zapato
14th March 2018, 16:22
That is very sweeping. There are around 7 billion people on the earth. We have about 350 million here in my country. I can't accept this statement as a fact or piece of truth. There are plenty of people who haven't been programmed. All around the earth.

The most important programming that starts from birth is parenting. Nature and Nurture. We have souls and characters and are not blank slates when we're born.

There are plenty of people who rage against the machine.

yes, exactly Dreamtimer and 'We're still just rats in a cage!" :)

WantDisclosure
14th March 2018, 16:28
. . . I have my message to convey as tiresome as it becomes to those on the receiving end.. :)

Trust yourself and your highest instincts and you can't go wrong!
After hearing others speak their truth, absolutely, I agree with you.

Sometimes others have very important things to share, because they're speaking from first-hand experience, and if, in one's heart, they come across as trustworthy, then I think one has come across a goldmine, because we all have limited first-hand experience.

Emil El Zapato
14th March 2018, 16:33
They're not on TOT posting about what's going on and together trying to make a difference, which was the point of my post.

This thread is about the possibility of pending disaster, and what, if anything we the people should do about it, in view of the fact that generally speaking, the mainstream media and the government cannot be trusted.

It's not wrong to feel the way you do, KT...but here's the thing in my opinion. If we can't trust the government to be honest with us about any looming disaster it is because they know full well that individuals don't have the resources to do anything about it. The only thing that raw truth can lend to the mix in that situation is a breakdown of what we consider civilized behavior. Does that serve any purpose? Better 'they' try to use all the resources at their disposal to make something happen.

Here's an example:
Is it the Bilderbergers that have their 'secret' power meetings every year? The doomsayers shake in their boots and scream 'conspiracy'. They are out to get us common folk they exclaim. They want to decrease the world's population to 500 million, they are plotting to kill us all! And the justification for these 'paranoid' rantings is the 'secrecy' surrounding the organization.

This organization requires secrecy to insulate from the masses solely because of the vast power they wield. Their WORDS matter, they can impact world economies and a careless word could raze financial foundations to the ground. They are not plotting against us, they are protecting us from our own stupidity.

Wind
14th March 2018, 16:48
You might have more faith in our leaders than I do, but then again I have none. They might not be out to get us, but they are just mostly interested in their wellfare. We are peasants, peasants are expendable. Rarely have I seen good leaders and when ever they emerge, they won't be leading for long. However, even in their short time they do manage to do some good. The best leader of your life is yourself, that's how I see it. By law I might be required to follow some orders and regulations, but I am still not under the rulership of anyone else besides a higher power.

I do agree with the notion that most humans can't handle the truth. If they saw the truth as it is, there would be revolutions all over the world overnight. Much death and destruction would occur, that's how revolutions always are. (R)evolutions of consciousness... That's another story.

Dreamtimer
14th March 2018, 17:04
Wind, you made me look up Revolution of Consciousness. I like the phrase.


Regarding listening to people with experience, we have no choice but to discern and use instincts because we can't be there ourselves. We have no choice but to keep in mind the fact that there are a lot of very smooth confidence people out there who seem very sincere. Some testimony is going to be good. Some is going to be worthless. A lot, unfortunately, will probably be somewhere in between.

Dumpster Diver
14th March 2018, 17:04
yes, exactly Dreamtimer and 'We're still just rats in a cage!" :)

Actually, my Bat-cage in Sedona is pretty nice. Then we go to the alternate cage on the beach in San Diego.

WantDisclosure
14th March 2018, 21:03
They are not plotting against us, they are protecting us from our own stupidity.
No they’re not.

It is the role of government to protect the common welfare. That’s their only role; the rest of the responsibility of living lies with individuals and families.

Pending disaster is exactly the thing that the government should be honest about in dealing with we the people, because our tax money should be used to make the necessary arrangements for our survival.

There is good reason why conspiracy realists talk about the powers that be wanting to reduce the population. There are books such as Ecoscience by former White House Science Advisor John P. Holdren and The Impact of Science on Society by Bertrand Russell.

People such as Alex Jones actually read stuff like that and then report on it.

Dreamtimer
14th March 2018, 22:40
David Harsanyi published a piece titled "Obama's Science Fiction Czar." The Washington Times and The Catholic News Agency ran pieces about Holdren, forcing his staff to address it. "This material is from a three-decade-old, three-author college textbook," his office said in a statement. "Dr. Holdren addressed this issue during his confirmation when he said he does not believe that determining optimal population is a proper role of government. Dr. Holdren is not and never has been an advocate for policies of forced sterilization."


In the 1970s, it was widely accepted by most serious people that overpopulation was a major planetary emergency. Many expected imminent widespread starvation, global upheaval, and mass death. "Success in the population field, under United Nations leadership, may, in turn, determine whether we can resolve successfully the other great questions of peace, prosperity, and individual rights that face the world," wrote George H. W. Bush in 1973. (Indeed, Bush was nicknamed "Rubbers" because of his obsession with family planning.)


In 1975, a then-classified National Security Council report outlined the dangers that rapid population growth posed to global stability. The report recommended expanding access to voluntary methods of family planning, but under the heading "An Alternative View," it broached the case for coercion. A "growing number of experts," it said, were predicting widespread food shortages and other "demographic catastrophes …


In the 1980s and 1990s, there was a major feminist backlash against population control, spurred by numerous incidents of coercion, including widespread forced sterilization in India.


The MacArthur Foundation provided significant support for the women who worked to replace population control with programs that took women's autonomy and human rights seriously. Holdren was a member of the foundation's board between 1991 and 2005. "At a time of youthful enthusiasm Holdren may have been associated with one side of the debate, but by the time he was on the MacArthur board, he was certainly closely associated very much with the other side of the debate


[C]onservatives don't generally recognize that there was a debate in the family planning field. They tend to see population control and feminism as closely aligned, rather than as mutually distrustful, sometimes openly warring tendencies. Feminism played a huge role in vanquishing the kind of vaguely totalitarian thinking that floated around the population field in the 1970s. If Holdren deserves blame for being part of the problem, he also deserves credit for being part of the solution.

People learn and grow.


The Bilderburgers is mostly private people rather than government officials isn't it?

Dumpster Diver
14th March 2018, 22:47
A “good” leader will tell you the truth and thusly be able to vote and make decisions.

...since no one in the political landscape tells us the truth, no matter how nasty it is, there are no good leaders.

Emil El Zapato
15th March 2018, 00:31
Sociologists will tell you that the ability to be a good liar is a mark of a good leader...

WantDisclosure
15th March 2018, 08:23
Sociologists will tell you that the ability to be a good liar is a mark of a good leader...
Do you believe that?

Dreamtimer
15th March 2018, 09:11
Leaders lie, no doubt. I like to think of Captain Picard from Star Trek. He would only lie for the most honorable reasons. It's obviously idealistic but a good model.

I would lie or do violence to protect my children. But I don't like to lie and deceive and I would not want to do that as a leader. I could end up with trouble as a result. You can't just blab everything as a leader.

Imagine running a company. You don't go around telling everyone about all your business plans and all your finances because of the competition and the fact that other business owners will undermine you.

We have a long ways to go before we can do everything out in the open in a trusting way.

Emil El Zapato
15th March 2018, 13:40
Do you believe that?

yes, I believe sociologists think that ... :) I've been watching Trump's group on the news

WantDisclosure
15th March 2018, 14:32
Well, for one, fight for Disclosure. The Deep State has the tech to get us off the planet.
Apparently, trying to insulate the entire grid is impractical against an electromagnetic pulse.

Corey was interviewed by George Noory webcast March 7, 2018 on Gaia's Beyond Belief, and he pointed that out when asked.

It seems that you're right; if one wants to do something, working for Disclosure is the best use of time.

Dreamtimer
15th March 2018, 16:04
Eric Dollard (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/9248-Eric-P-Dollard?highlight=Eric+Dollard) talks about the grid and how it could be protected. He talks about how it's been made more vulnerable as it's been upgraded.

"When you put an electrostatic change on a rock it changes shape" That's an interesting statement it 4:52 in this video. I'm still looking for the one about the grid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YO_-ePCZ0L4&t=413s

Dreamtimer
15th March 2018, 16:16
At 50 minutes Eric discusses the grid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5fPR7Jc9u4

WantDisclosure
15th March 2018, 16:19
Eric Dollard (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/9248-Eric-P-Dollard?highlight=Eric+Dollard) talks about the grid and how it could be protected.

I used to follow Eric Dollard's work closely, but I don't like the way he bad-mouths Tom Bearden, who knows as much as he does, if not more.

Maggie
15th March 2018, 18:48
I used to follow Eric Dollard's work closely, but I don't like the way he bad-mouths Tom Bearden, who knows as much as he does, if not more.

His behavior towards friends who try to support him is apparently not encouraging of trust. When I was into ormus and interested more in nuts and bolts alternative energy, I heard several people lost some (hard earned) cash through his help.

I am not sure why there are so many big mouths with so little hard evidence results in this genre. I don't believe anymore that it is all just because people are targeted etc. It is possible IMO that the fierce competion between all these egos attracted to such matters cause the tech to fail. That may sound woowoo? In the case of ormus promoters, I never met a wierder crowd of men (and they ARE mostly men).

Example

For those who still think Eric Dollard can be helped....

Here is a letter I just received from a former patron of his.

" I have been watching the whole Eric Dollard story go down for about 7 years . I watched and hoped he would get his act together. I saw his brilliance and potential. I worked for a billionaire client/friend at the time i met Eric. We wanted to help him develop himself and bring his interests to fruition. I offered him a place to stay and do his laundry, clean up his stuff, some cash to help him a bit, and a job doing anything he wanted to do ($50. per hour, cash) and or help me with my projects, which is , basically develop weather stations, new food growing and energy producing devises for schools, refugee camps, etc.. He chose to do nothing, he was very lazy and blamed everyone for setting him up to fail.
Basically, i got him a blank check, but he had to start by proving himself by showing up to work and being able to articulate what it is he wanted. In the end, he wanted a $5 million dollars studio, or nothing. Even then my client was not deterred, we knew he had communication issues with people. He did get 86’ed from my home by my girlfriend for foul behavior and misogamist diatribes, etc.. He was interacting with Stephan in Marin also at this time. He was lying quite a bit in your interviews during the video. His dog was also an interesting story. He treated Varmint very bad, he never fed the dog, and was trying to leave it with anyone he could.
I like the fact that you have a good heart and tried to reach out to him. Many people have tried to help him. I was hoping he would rise to the occasion and build his lab. All of us who knew him on the coast (Half Moon Bay, Ca. area) where rooting for him. I believe he is in the desert somewhere working on his studio theses days. My friend Justin is with him. They both have a victim complex. They both refuse kindness. The adventure continues!
"

Anything have to do with Eric Dollard now is 100% an ACT and a SCAM FRAUD organized by his pitpull controller Aaron Murakami, the same convicted violent felon who has waged an active war of suppression against genuine researchers like Ed Mitchell and Jerry Volland etc.. Murakami has also waged an active terror campaign against aetherforce, and the members of aether force, going after un involved members paypal and facebook accounts. Only a lawsuit got him to back off. Another one is being filed.

Let's learn our lesson people. Actively boycott anything these two are working on. I may release a video showing Eric Dollard calling Adam bull a moron and a lunatic as well. That they managed to brainwash Adam into helping them is astonishing.... Eric Dollard is a professional charlatan, nuff said.https://www.facebook.com/AetherForce1/posts/665378520171017

Emil El Zapato
15th March 2018, 19:14
Avalon Wade commented that he believed that success or failure in the field of free energy was contingent on spiritual motivation. That actually made a lot of sense to me. When one is playing in the arena of the gods, I think it is a good idea to be promoting the light...it only makes sense.

Dreamtimer
15th March 2018, 21:23
Thanks for sharing that, Maggie.

WantDisclosure
16th March 2018, 08:12
yes, I believe sociologists think that ... :) I've been watching Trump's group on the news

I think the theater of politics that is played out on mainstream news is not worth our time.

Mainstream news is controlled and manipulated by the Deep State, and politicians, with few exceptions, are puppets, because they were recruited, groomed, and financed behind the scenes by people with vested interests so that they will be puppets on a string.

Trump, ego and all, may be an exception, because he was not in need of the financing most politicians need, so therefore could be independent, but he is surrounded by the establishment and a hostile media, so we have a circus going on.

Dreamtimer
16th March 2018, 12:13
I don't believe that Trump is as independent as you say. He had too many bankruptcies and bailouts from his Dad. He couldn't get any money from any banks in New York. He was building golf resorts when no-one else was because they were closing and losing money.

The New York bankers never looked at Trump as a business man. He was always seen as a promoter. This can be learned by watching testimony in the form of interviews from these people who have worked directly with Trump.

The money has been coming from his Russian contacts for a couple decades now.

It's very important to see what puppetry and machinations are going on else people won't be able to see the fake news being dished in this community. You can't see the whole puzzle picture by only looking at select pieces, imo.

Emil El Zapato
16th March 2018, 13:18
I think the theater of politics that is played out on mainstream news is not worth our time.

Mainstream news is controlled and manipulated by the Deep State, and politicians, with few exceptions, are puppets, because they were recruited, groomed, and financed behind the scenes by people with vested interests so that they will be puppets on a string.

Trump, ego and all, may be an exception, because he was not in need of the financing most politicians need, so therefore could be independent, but he is surrounded by the establishment and a hostile media, so we have a circus going on.

No!


I don't believe that Trump is as independent as you say. He had too many bankruptcies and bailouts from his Dad. He couldn't get any money from any banks in New York. He was building golf resorts when no-one else was because they were closing and losing money.

The New York bankers never looked at Trump as a business man. He was always seen as a promoter. This can be learned by watching testimony in the form of interviews from these people who have worked directly with Trump.

The money has been coming from his Russian contacts for a couple decades now.

It's very important to see what puppetry and machinations are going on else people won't be able to see the fake news being dished in this community. You can't see the whole puzzle picture by only looking at select pieces, imo.

Trump and his business sense and how people wanted that to run the government now exemplifies the perfect example of how big business is failing America and the common folk at its mercy.

Dumpster Diver
17th March 2018, 14:10
Oh, oh. It’s now starting to hit the mainstream science news:

http://www.cbc.ca/radio/quirks/march-17-2018-remembering-stephen-hawking-disturbance-in-earth-s-magnetic-field-and-more-1.4575653/something-unusual-is-happening-with-our-planet-s-magnetic-field-1.4579903

Dreamtimer
17th March 2018, 15:53
"The Bantu people who currently live there, they were the first people practicing agriculture. So at times of drought, you can imagine it was quite stressful on the population. And they practiced, according to the archeologists, a type of ritualistic burning. They would actually burn down their villages and then start anew."


When the Bantu people burned down their villages, many of the structures are made of clay. And when that burns and then cools, the magnetic minerals in the clay locks in the magnetic field properties at that time. These burned down structures end up being like time capsule compass needles.

Wow.


"If we look at our best numerical simulations of a magnetic field reversal, this is the type of pattern we see right before a reversal," says Dr. Tarduno. "We don't know if the current [anomaly] will lead to a full reversal." If the anomaly continues to grow, the patch in the outer core under Africa could be the trigger to a full pole reversal.

From January(same source):


In her new book, The Spinning Magnet: The Electromagnetic Force that Created the Modern World and Could Destroy It (https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/539743/the-spinning-magnet-by-alanna-mitchell/9781101985168/), Canadian journalist Alanna Mitchell (https://alannamitchell.com/about/) looks at this disaster scenario. She talks to scientists who are investigating the vital role our magnetic field plays, and why they're concerned about how our planet will lose protection from solar radiation storms that will wipe out all electromagnetic technology. The result would be no satellites, no internet, no smartphones and maybe no power grid at all.

Also January:


A new satellite called Global Observations on the Limb and Disc, or GOLD, was sent aloft this week to study the upper boundary of the Earth's atmosphere, where space begins. It is a very active and poorly studied region where weather from our planet meets weather from space.

The very top layer of our atmosphere, from 80 to 900 kilometres up, is poorly studied because it is too high and thin for aircraft or balloons to fly through. Yet the upper portion is where some satellites and the International Space Station travel. The extremely rarefied air in this region interacts directly with powerful radiation from space, and is bombarded by high speed electrically charged particles streaming out from the sun called the solar wind. One beautiful side-effect of this onslaught from above is the eerie display of the aurora, the northern and southern lights.


The sun passes through cycles of activity, where solar storms erupt on the surface, hurling large blobs of energetic material toward the Earth. When they strike our planet's magnetic field, it can tremble and distort like a giant bowl of jelly. Geomagnetic storms from this activity can induce unwanted electric currents in high voltage transmission lines on the ground, causing massive blackouts, or they can knock satellites right out of commission.

In the past, most of the focus on the ionosphere has been on changes caused by space weather raining down from above, but there is new evidence that the region is also affected by regular weather from below. Hurricanes or cyclones can create huge waves that lift the atmosphere higher in some places, exposing more of the air to the space environment and accelerating some of the physical and chemical changes taking place. Understanding the region better fills in gaps in our understanding of the Earth's atmosphere from the bottom all the way to the top.

Dreamtimer
24th March 2018, 12:26
There's a coronal hole and auroras in the forecast. And the magnetic pole shift appears to be increasing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=350&v=maaKBPcJQ9c

Wind
24th March 2018, 23:43
As the age of Aquarius is now starting... Revolutionary changes are to be expected. On all levels.

Aragorn
25th March 2018, 01:24
As the age of Aquarius is now starting... Revolutionary changes are to be expected. On all levels.

Yes, and — most people ignore this — those changes won't always be for the better. Aquarius is the sign of change, not of improvement. :hmm:

Emil El Zapato
25th March 2018, 01:55
Yes, and — most people ignore this — those changes won't always be for the better. Aquarius is the sign of change, not of improvement. :hmm:

Dont forget chaos and craziness. Uranus, the planet of 'what the f*ck!' after all :)

Actually, I learned that Age of Aquarius started on Feb4-5, 1962 or maybe it was Feb 2-3, 1964 but anyway, the precise dates are slippery.

enjoy being
25th March 2018, 03:47
Which was the next differentiation. Logical relevant change vs random change.
Language would beat that into different shapes.
Change that comes about via observable chains of events vs change that comes about by seemingly random anomaly.

Vibrations, sounds, lights. Space weather.
and.. Action!
Some particles of vibration perhaps behaving like metallic surfaces in an MRI scanner.
Therefore caught and filtered.
The way this happens in reality depends on the volume too, but will also range from dramatic to subtle.
Though subtle may be a relative term, unfittingly stretched over the frame of another.

Aragorn
25th March 2018, 04:12
Which was the next differentiation. Logical relevant change vs random change.

From the purely astrological perspective — I am no astrologer, mind you, and astrology is actually off-topic for this thread, because this thread is about a scientifically verified phenomenon — the sign of Aquarius only accelerates and accentuates change, whether it is random change or what you term "logically relevant".

So the Age of Aquarius is bound to be full of changes, of which — indeed — a large number will be random. And — again — "change" does not equal "improvement". I think the best word for describing the Age of Aquarius would probably be "turbulent". :hmm:

Wind
25th March 2018, 11:42
Yes, and — most people ignore this — those changes won't always be for the better. Aquarius is the sign of change, not of improvement. :hmm:

Change often tends to be painful, at least initially. It can lead to something better eventually though, but I know what you mean brother.

Dreamtimer
25th March 2018, 11:51
I've been through five major transitions in the last 12 and a half years and yeah, they were mostly painful. Not all. I definitely was coming through either stronger or broken. It was a toss up for a bit. Got some scars. Mostly not physical.

Wind
25th March 2018, 12:57
I will have my Saturn return one year from now. May the good Lord have mercy on me... 2017 was probably one of the worst years of my life, if not the worst and I can tell you that I've been through some hard times. Got both physical and mental scars to prove them. Yet I'm still here, becoming a better version of myself and finding more and more inner peace. For that I'm quite thankful.

Change is the only constant in life. It serves the evolution of the soul.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTMxjADudbc

Emil El Zapato
25th March 2018, 13:32
From the purely astrological perspective — I am no astrologer, mind you, and astrology is actually off-topic for this thread, because this thread is about a scientifically verified phenomenon — the sign of Aquarius only accelerates and accentuates change, whether it is random change or what you term "logically relevant".

So the Age of Aquarius is bound to be full of changes, of which — indeed — a large number will be random. And — again — "change" does not equal "improvement". I think the best word for describing the Age of Aquarius would probably be "turbulent". :hmm:

Scary thought, huh.

Emil El Zapato
25th March 2018, 13:39
Change often tends to be painful, at least initially. It can lead to something better eventually though, but I know what you mean brother.

Generally speaking...most change is good, the process can be very painful...but in the end the Cosmos with our input knows best.

Aragorn, you mentioned earlier that experience has taught you that Creation is neutral finding a natural 'entropic' balance. hmm, I don't agree, my experience has been different. I've had very inexplicable things happen FOR me that were not random. And I suppose, it could be said they were a counterbalance to the unhappy experiences but why should they happen on call? That doesn't imply indifference to me. When I say inexplicable I mean really inexplicable.

Dumpster Diver
25th March 2018, 14:07
You guys are all on drugs, these guys say The Age of Aquarius is cool:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjxSCAalsBE&feature=youtu.be

But they also said this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfxqQmWtGNM&feature=youtu.be

...and this is what happens to balloon people:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SYSLTx6MTU&feature=youtu.be

Emil El Zapato
25th March 2018, 14:14
I will have my Saturn return one year from now. May the good Lord have mercy on me... 2017 was probably one of the worst years of my life, if not the worst and I can tell you that I've been through some hard times. Got both physical and mental scars to prove them. Yet I'm still here, becoming a better version of myself and finding more and more inner peace. For that I'm quite thankful.

Change is the only constant in life. It serves the evolution of the soul.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTMxjADudbc

Don't worry too much, Wind. There will be challenges, of course ... Saturn is a 'malefic' after all, but it will be a time of growing wisdom, family closeness?, maybe even increasing wealth. Take care of your teeth and bones ... :) Your health will be stable though, that's always a good thing.

Wind
25th March 2018, 17:04
I certainly like your optimism! I just read that Saturn rules karma, I hope that I've paid most of my dues by now.

Btw. If the Age of Aquarius already started in the early 60's then that would certainly explain the hippy era and growth of consciousness through the use of psychedelics. Which of course lead to technology developing and then we got the thing called internet...

Dumpster Diver
25th March 2018, 17:54
I certainly like your optimism! I just read that Saturn rules karma, I hope that I've paid most of my dues by now.

Btw. If the Age of Aquarius already started in the early 60's then that would certainly explain the hippy era and growth of consciousness through the use of psychedelics. Which of course lead to technology developing and then we got the thing called internet...

It really started in the late 60s...the kickoff sorta was:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7I0vkKy504U

In Summer 1967...

Then this happened:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2tVdnQDDEk

You sorta heard about the hippies in 1966, but the summer of ‘67 really got the nation looking at them.

Wind
25th March 2018, 18:47
Lots of things were going on around those times:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_of_1968


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hlsiq8MYBsY

Emil El Zapato
25th March 2018, 19:06
yeah, The Hippie Anthem ... :)

Wind
25th March 2018, 19:36
I think the disaster of Vietnam at last made many Americans truly despise war. Ironic that the Bushes still managed to sell the concept of a "righteous war" to you Americans decades later. Perhaps the Gulf War just a test, but the real prize war the Iraq war.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrMWbY4cdEc

Dumpster Diver
25th March 2018, 22:10
umm, well, that Buffalo Springfield cut was about the 1966 Sunset Strip curfew riots.

If you read "Weird Scenes Inside The Canyon" you'll find a different interpretation of "Anti-war protest."

https://www.amazon.com/Weird-Scenes-Inside-Canyon-Laurel/dp/1909394122

Indeed the lyrics seem to dismiss the concerns of the protestors. BTW, Stephen Stills is an authoritarian, law-and-order kind of guy. Stills later wrote, "We didn't want to do another song like 'For What It's Worth'. We didn't want to be a protest group. That's really a cop-out and I hate that. To sit here and say, 'I don't like this'd I don't like that' is just stupid."

And in spite of that, it is the best remembered protest song of the 60s.

Wind
25th March 2018, 22:53
I do know that fact too as I often like to know what the lyrics are about. Just a bit ironic, isn't it? Catchy song though.

I wonder if we have gone completely off the rails here? Perhaps this off-topic discussions could be in a thread of it's own.

My apologies for the inconvenience.

Aragorn
25th March 2018, 23:22
Aragorn, you mentioned earlier that experience has taught you that Creation is neutral finding a natural 'entropic' balance. hmm, I don't agree, my experience has been different. I've had very inexplicable things happen FOR me that were not random. And I suppose, it could be said they were a counterbalance to the unhappy experiences but why should they happen on call? That doesn't imply indifference to me. When I say inexplicable I mean really inexplicable.

I think you misunderstood me then, NotAPretender, because I didn't mean to imply that the universe doesn't do anyone any favors. It may (and does) certainly do that. But there's always a grander vision behind it, and this grander vision is the universe's own agenda of self-discovery.

So yes, sometimes the universe really does things which turn out in your favor by way of mysterious synchronicities. But just as often, it'll also mess things up for you in the exact same manner, and it knows no remorse. In fact, the universe is pretty narcissistic.

Just look at how we treat lab animals, and often even how we treat farm animals. There is a detachment there, which allows humans to be cruel to these animals. And so it is with the universe.

As above, so below, and as below, so above. :hmm:





I wonder if we have gone completely off the rails here?

Pretty much, yes. :p


Perhaps this off-topic discussions could be in a thread of it's own.

If the participants of this thread would like to see this discussion split off, then that can be done. ;)


My apologies for the inconvenience.

Not your fault, Brother. We are all to blame here. ;)

Dreamtimer
26th March 2018, 05:00
It'll get back to topic, no worries. The sun will do something fun. And we'll be talking about it again.

https://sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov/assets/img/latest/latest_256_211193171.jpg

enjoy being
26th March 2018, 08:26
I found a snippet of mention of how rays from Cygnus can penetrate rock on Earth. Which I have read info about before.
I guess bits of the rest of the info on the page may apply, but I first referenced it elsewhere. But noted is it is the symbol of the swan. And the eye or buckle of Orions belt. ...that's space weather huh. gamma rays capable or 'proven' to have had, the power to alter human DNA. ...though I probably would need to go refresh my memory on the info before saying much more :-D
https://atlantisrisingmagazine.com/article/human-evolution-the-cygnus-constellation/

from midpage

NASA Discovers Cygnus X-3

In 1973, about the same time that Carl Sagan asserted that cosmic rays might have sparked human evolution, a group of international astronomers headed by NASA attempted to observe the activity of an invisible star located in the heart of the Cygnus constellation. That star, called Cygnus X-3,3 was the source of a powerful burst of X-ray activ*ity recorded from that region of the sky in 1972. These early attempts found highly unusual activity coming from the star, but the precise nature and strength of the activity wasn’t apparent until the 1980s. Underground particle accel*erators located at several spots around the world began detecting anomalous cosmic ray activity in the early 1980s, and by 1985 one particle detector had identified 60 such anomalous events. NASA researchers have repeatedly con*firmed that these cosmic rays come from Cygnus X-3. These bursts had a regular periodicity of precisely 4.79 hours and were found to be neutron particles coming from Cygnus X-3 at close to the speed of light. But because these par*ticles had to penetrate thousands of feet of solid stone to reach the detectors, they were so unique that they were con*sidered to be “exotic and unexplained.” Physicists termed these unique particles, cygnets, meaning “children of the swan.” NASA now continuously monitors Cygnus X-3, and the star is known to be a binary star with what is believed to be a neutron star at its heart. Two jets protrude from the poles of Cygnus X-3, and one of them, the source of the exotic particles, points directly at earth, something unique in this galaxy, for no other stellar body has such an al*mighty cosmic gun barrel pointing straight towards us. The jets spew out a host of cosmic particles and energy but the exact mechanism remains mysterious. Oddly, in total darkness, cosmic particles are actually visible as flashes of light as they decay in the human retina. Collins speculates that the early cave painters actually watched the decaying particles within the total darkness of the deep caves. But the major evidence between Cygnus and human evolution comes from still another branch of science.

Aragorn
26th March 2018, 09:22
[...] gamma rays capable or 'proven' to have had, the power to alter human DNA. [...]

That is correct. Gamma rays are the most dangerous form of ionizing radiation. However, the magnetosphere and ionosphere are currently still protecting us from that. Out in the void of space on the other hand... :hmm:

Dreamtimer
26th March 2018, 13:01
Yeah. The dreaded 'gamma ray burst' would do us in. Cosmic rays are part of why the weakening magnetic shield is a concern.

Dumpster Diver
26th March 2018, 15:20
I do know that fact too as I often like to know what the lyrics are about. Just a bit ironic, isn't it? Catchy song though.

I wonder if we have gone completely off the rails here? Perhaps this off-topic discussions could be in a thread of it's own.

My apologies for the inconvenience.

As the originator of the thread, I see no problem. Our meanderings always seem to hit on cool things, and certainly folks need to express such.

...take that, Donk...

“Two jets protrude from the poles of Cygnus X-3, and one of them, the source of the exotic particles, points directly at earth, something unique in this galaxy, for no other stellar body has such an al*mighty cosmic gun barrel pointing straight towards us. The jets spew out a host of cosmic particles and energy but the exact mechanism remains mysterious. Oddly, in total darkness, cosmic particles are actually visible as flashes of light as they decay in the human retina.”

I don’t think this happened by chance.