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Aragorn
25th December 2017, 19:59
Exactly one week ago, I posted this thread here (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11802-Finally-The-Pentagon-Admits-To-Multi-Million-Dollar-Investigation-Into-UFOs) with a mainstream news article that seemed to carry the spirit of a preliminary and very careful attempt at official UFO disclosure. But now, after a few days of silence regarding this topic, there's already a follow-up, in the form of yet another mainstream news article (http://www.newsweek.com/ufo-existence-proven-beyond-reasonable-doubt-says-former-head-pentagon-alien-758293) with an open admission from the head of the Pentagon task force that was investigating UFOs from 2007 until 2012. ;)






http://s.newsweek.com/sites/www.newsweek.com/files/styles/full/public/2017/12/17/ufo-sightings-pentagon-program-aliens.JPG

A rotating “glowing aura” traveling at high speeds was captured from a Navy F/A-18 Super Hornet. The existence of UFOs has been
“proved beyond reasonable doubt,” according the head of the secret Pentagon program that analyzed the mysterious aircrafts.


Source: Newsweek (http://www.newsweek.com/ufo-existence-proven-beyond-reasonable-doubt-says-former-head-pentagon-alien-758293)



The existence of UFOs had been “proved beyond reasonable doubt,” according the head of the secret Pentagon program that analyzed the mysterious aircrafts.

In an interview with British broadsheet The Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/12/23/existence-ufos-proved-beyond-reasonable-doubt-says-former-pentagon/) published on Saturday, Luis Elizondo told the newspaper of the sightings, “In my opinion, if this was a court of law, we have reached the point of ‘beyond reasonable doubt.’”

“I hate to use the term UFO but that’s what we’re looking at,” he added. “I think it’s pretty clear this is not us, and it’s not anyone else, so no one has to ask questions where they’re from.”

Elizondo led the U.S. Defense Department’s Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, investigating evidence of UFOs and alien life, from 2007 to 2012, when it was shuttered.

Its existence was first reported by The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/16/us/politics/pentagon-program-ufo-harry-reid.html) last week.

Elizondo was not able to discuss specifics of the program. But he told The Telegraph that there had been “lots” of UFO sightings and witnesses interviewed during the program’s five years.

Investigators pinpointed geographical “hot spots” that were sometimes near nuclear facilities and power plants. They also observed trends among the aircrafts. including lack of flight surfaces on the objects and extreme maneuverability, Elizondo told The Telegraph.

“There was never any display of hostility, but the way they maneuvered, in ways no one else in the world had, you have to be conscious something could happen,” he said.

Despite Pentagon funding running out in 2012, Elizondo oversaw UFO work for another five years before resigning in October 2017 out of frustration with the secrecy of the investigations. He had pushed for videos of the possible alien sightings to be made public so people could see the footage.

In his resignation letter to Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, Elizondo asked, “Why aren’t we spending more time and effort on this issue? There remains a vital need to ascertain capability and intent of these phenomena for the benefit of the armed forces and the nation.”

Elizondo told The Telegraph he’d like to see someone prop up the probe again.

“I’d say bolster the program. We want NASA to find life on different planets, but we have highly educated pilots here, and they’re seeing something they can't understand.”


Source: Newsweek (http://www.newsweek.com/ufo-existence-proven-beyond-reasonable-doubt-says-former-head-pentagon-alien-758293)

The One
26th December 2017, 12:33
Here he is on video below :chrs:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4hQY97nCIg

Aragorn
26th December 2017, 13:32
Here he is on video below :chrs:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4hQY97nCIg


What I'm seeing there in the reaction of the mainstream media and the political world is disappointing, but not exactly unexpected. The news comes out of the blue that we're not alone in the universe and that Those Others™ are regularly paying us talking monkeys a visit, and the shockwave generates a cognitive dissonance and post-traumatic stress disorder in the depraved and cynical minds of the mainstream media.

"OMG, this is real?" in combination with "We've been ridiculing this stuff for decades, so what are we gonna do now?" And from there on, you get three types of reactions:


"This research too expensive. We should be spending that money elsewhere." Except that they've been spending money that was better spent elsewhere on things that they shouldn't have spent it on in the first place, like invading sovereign nations and/or overthrowing said nations' internal governments in the spirit of capitalism and US Exceptionalism, um, I mean, freedom. :p Because they sure aren't spending that money on feeding the poor. What those politicians are really saying when they object to the financial expenses made in this field of research is "We don't want to be confronted with how wrong we've been, so make it go away."


"Let's continue ridiculing it, just as we've always done, and then maybe it'll fade away." This was the reaction of the Fox News talking heads at the end of the video, in which the blonde seated in the middle just had to go and emphasize the blonde stereotype. "I'm not generally interested in this subject. I like wars and things closer to home" — loosely paraphrased.


"Let's not talk about it and let's pretend that this isn't actually happening." That's what we're seeing here in Europe now — or at least, on the mainland. Even though there was coverage of the first "disclosure" — even if only out of sensationalism — this second disclosure from the former head of the Pentagon team that investigated UFOs between 2007 and 2011 has not made the mainstream news over here. The Telegraph however — which is a British newspaper — did cover the interview. It could be my imagination, but I have the impression that the British are and have always been far more open-minded about this subject than mainland Europeans — even from before Brexit. :p


Cognitive dissonance all over. They can't handle the truth, because it upsets their little, self-contained reality bubble of make-believe. :fpalm:

NotAPretender
26th December 2017, 18:53
Some are still ridiculing...but some talking heads aren't going to joke anymore. I've been walking around my brother's home saying 'they're here' and everybody thinks I'm crazy. But anyway, they're here!

Aragorn
26th December 2017, 19:42
Some are still ridiculing...but some talking heads aren't going to joke anymore. I've been walking around my brother's home saying 'they're here' and everybody thinks I'm crazy. But anyway, they're here!




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOiOFxMwD9s


:onthequite:

boja
26th December 2017, 19:58
Although it's disappointing, I would guess that (here in England),
less than 1 in 100 people are aware of this "soft disclosure".

Also, out of these people, it seems that very few are even interested !!

Sad to think that hardly anybody cares about what is arguably the most important fact
learned by the human race so far. That we are not alone, and all the consequences.

NotAPretender
26th December 2017, 20:01
absolutely, it's crazy...I've heard talking heads say they have no real interest...no real interest? Now that's brain dead!

boja
27th December 2017, 06:50
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCNVGEDoY-I

GEORGE KNAPP interviewed by LINDA MOULTON-HOWE & JOHN BURROUGHS regarding the latest "soft disclosure" in December 2017.

It appears that George Knapp knows more than he can disclose about this subject.
Mainly info that he has learned from BOB BIGELOW, who has been government funded to investigate.
I would suggest that these guys are the ones to watch and listen to.

Dumpster Diver
27th December 2017, 15:19
Yawn...:tea:

Dreamtimer
29th December 2017, 15:33
I'm still getting used to this. Dolan on CBS. Jeez.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf1081wn1EQ

Aragorn
29th December 2017, 15:37
I'm still getting used to this. Dolan on CBS. Jeez.

You beat me to it — I was about to post this video myself. :p

Dumpster Diver
29th December 2017, 16:16
Dolan? on CBS? I'm waking up again!

...next thing we'll see Trump's 10000 secret indictment's resulting in perp walks?

...Killary in an orange jump suit?

...Darth Hatman outed as a Scientologist sexual preditor at the kool-aid stand?

jcocks
29th December 2017, 16:27
Next year should be interesting...

Another thing to ponder... I don't believe they would disclose this stuff if they didn't have to. So possibly something is going on behind the scenes that is making it a necessity?

Aragorn
29th December 2017, 16:31
Next year should be interesting...

Another thing to ponder... I don't believe they would disclose this stuff if they didn't have to. So possibly something is going on behind the scenes that is making it a necessity?

I've been thinking about that myself as well. ;) : Sherlock:

NotAPretender
29th December 2017, 20:07
Richard Dolan is an excellent choice for this. He, at least in my opinion, is one of the more professional in the discipline. Steven Greer, as well, if he keeps his 'levitation' experiences under wraps.

Amanda
29th December 2017, 22:15
For the record - I have always believed that we Humans are not the only life form. As a child I would stare at the night sky, in all her splendour and think about all the life there had to be out there.

As for the subject of Intergalactic Visitors and Intergalactic Craft - it is a tightly controlled subject. Think about that critically and deeply if you dare. All media outlets show a dearth of this subject and when they do it is usually ridiculed - not always - but usually. Independent publishers tend to be the only outlets for real discussion and for the sharing of information and evidence from the public. Photographic evidence - well - even I have been published in an Australian magazine. The photographic evidence was given to me and it is compelling to say the least.

People of note who are mentioned within this thread are not all they seem to be. I have conducted my own research and discovered that Moulton-Howe comes from a family who controls a lot of what is going on. Her father ran Skunkworks. Greer boasts of days with presidents et cetera and some of his money making activities leave a lot to be desired.

When it comes to disclosure - I discovered a theory that seems to ring true for me. Maybe not for others but I have had a long interest in this subject. I have friends who have been engaged in dedicated research for many many many years. Anyhoo - the theory runs along the lines that the Geo-Engineering in the sky has an application that will turn the entire atmosphere into one huge movie screen.

The plan is and has always been - to keep a tight leash on the subject. At a planned point in time the application to turn the atmosphere into a movie screen - will see a depiction of an invasion from space. So - when I think about all the 'out of space' monster movies I watched as a child (in black and white - giving away my vintage here) and all the other movies and television/beam ray technology it stands to reason that the dots can be well and truly joined. Well at least for me. I respect all opinions and comments but I truly think that disclosure may come but it will be at a cost.

Why would the cabal/illuminati/whatever disclose now? Why not before? When I think of how only a handful of CEOs control all media outlets - it is easy to realise the control they have over what the global population thinks.

Loads of People have had their own Contact and/or Experience. They don't need to be told - do they??? Disclosure, to me reeks of control.

Much Peace & Much Respect - Amanda

NB: Don't forget to factor in all the shills/trolls/disinformation agents - both paid and unpaid. They sit poised at their keyboards ready to debunk and ridicule anyone who dares share information and/or evidence. The chaos that surrounds our 'age of electronic technology' is that proper thinking skills are well and truly required to sort through it all.

NotAPretender
29th December 2017, 23:25
Brookings Report - 1960 is the root of much of the hysteria regarding ET...in my opinion. No cabal, no deep state, no illuminati, no nothing beyond a bunch of power players with silly names vying to have the upper hand when it all breaks loose. When it does...no one will have control...the sane world will gather its wits and trudge on forward.

Lemual
30th December 2017, 02:15
One thing I'm always dismayed by is the view that this isn't the most (or at least one of) important subjects for humanity. I understand people have different priorities but if we're going to be even slightly objective surely this is the biggest thing EVER for humanity? The only thing that could possibly be "bigger" is any revelation to do with spirituality/God.

NotAPretender
30th December 2017, 02:45
Hi Lemual,

It's almost the same answer wrapped up in the question. If we ask a true ET what their spiritual beliefs are, we can gain very great insight for ourselves by their answer...

Lemual
30th December 2017, 02:49
Hi Lemual,

It's almost the same answer wrapped up in the question. If we ask a true ET what their spiritual beliefs are, we can gain very great insight for ourselves by their answer...

Exactly, it's pretty much a game changer at all levels!

enjoy being
30th December 2017, 04:50
From my cynical window I see the reaction to this so far, is as to be expected.
Except to be added to that list would be some form of distraction event soon after, which would kind of make that past its due date.
This is where it gets interesting, although, the press club announcements, going back in previous decades, should have maybe had more impact going by what one might be suggesting for the present scenario.
In the meantime, a few more examples to be had on the subject of beliefs and world (whirled) views.

enjoy being
30th December 2017, 11:05
5 years has a nice gentle ring to it. I guess that aids the bedding down of the tale for someone.

NotAPretender
30th December 2017, 13:00
From my cynical window I see the reaction to this so far, is as to be expected.
Except to be added to that list would be some form of distraction event soon after, which would kind of make that past its due date.
This is where it gets interesting, although, the press club announcements, going back in previous decades, should have maybe had more impact going by what one might be suggesting for the present scenario.
In the meantime, a few more examples to be had on the subject of beliefs and world (whirled) views.

The press club event was a gob smacker to me. It renewed my interest in Ufology...but, I stumbled upon it and most people were not even aware that it had occurred. This event has been brought upon mainstream media and thought. It seems very different circumstances to me.

Aragorn
30th December 2017, 14:56
The press club event was a gob smacker to me. It renewed my interest in Ufology...but, I stumbled upon it and most people were not even aware that it had occurred. This event has been brought upon mainstream media and thought. It seems very different circumstances to me.

There is a poll over at Slashdot about the credibility of this news (https://slashdot.org/poll/3065/how-do-you-explain-former-pentagon-official-luis-elizondos-claim-of-ufos-existence-beyond-a-reasonable-doubt). Slashdot is a US-centric news site and forum — one which allows for anonymous posting and voting, by the way — for geeks, with a predominantly (albeit not exclusively) "US liberal" atmosphere, and I must say that I'm thoroughly disappointed in the manifestation of disbelief and refusal to accept the facts by that crowd.

Even those who accept that Luis Elizondo is telling the truth are of the opinion that UFOs are secret unmanned aerial vehicles from a foreign nation — anything but extraterrestrial craft. And of course, the naysayers go anywhere from stating that Elizondo was probably high on magic mushrooms, to that the object in the video footage from the F-18 is merely a drone of some sorts.

It just boggles the mind. :fpalm:

NotAPretender
30th December 2017, 15:02
the 29% that voted for misinformation HAVE to be conservatives... :)

Seriously, though why in the hell would trained pilots (with top secret security clearances "with a need to know" aerial craft) say "What the hell is that?

People just don't bother thinking...Talking about flying blind...it's the human condition of living on auto-pilot. Needless to say, that is a serious problem along with all the others.

Dreamtimer
30th December 2017, 16:34
People ignore things that are right in front of them. Listening to Dr. Gordon and Andrew Marr on the Rogan show, the theme of "this has been in the research" kept coming up. They talked about how it takes 30 years for research to reach the public in terms of practice.

This is cognitive dissonance in action, eh? People can't admit all their snark and self-assuredness was wrong so they just double down. And conservatives talk down on ufo/alien believers all the time. I could write a laundry list of the disparaging comments that have come from family and friends. (not towards me, towards the subject)

And then there are the Russians. Posting anonymously. :ninja::shapeshift::ninja:

Steven Bassett talks about how he thinks Putin would benefit from being the focal point of Disclosure. (I'm gonna find the point where he talks about this and note it)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaSFGtm2UfI

At 1:33 they talk about Medvedev being caught on hot mic saying aliens are real, and how it was reported mostly in Europe.

Aragorn
30th December 2017, 16:54
[...] And conservatives talk down on ufo/alien believers all the time. I could write a laundry list of the disparaging comments that have come from family and friends. (not towards me, towards the subject)

Just for the record, when I mentioned that Slashdot is predominantly "US liberal", that was in no way intended to say that "US conservatives" would be more open-minded. First of all, it was merely intended as a description of Slashdot's audience — in the pre-US-election poll, the vast majority stated that they were going to vote for Hillary — and secondly, I personally consider "US liberals" merely another breed of "US conservatives". ;)

True liberalism is too wise to align itself with party-political bickering, and especially so if both parties — because we all know that no other parties exist than those two, right? :p — are as corrupt as the US Dypocrites™ and the US Repulsicans™. :p

NotAPretender
30th December 2017, 17:12
Just for the record, when I mentioned that Slashdot is predominantly "US liberal", that was in no way intended to say that "US conservatives" would be more open-minded. First of all, it was merely intended as a description of Slashdot's audience — in the pre-US-election poll, the vast majority stated that they were going to vote for Hillary — and secondly, I personally consider "US liberals" merely another breed of "US conservatives". ;)

True liberalism is too wise to align itself with party-political bickering, and especially so if both parties — because we all know that no other parties exist than those two, right? :p — are as corrupt as the US Dypocrites™ and the US Repulsicans™. :p

hahahaha, you be funny Aragorn...

boja
30th December 2017, 18:25
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZkYrSmzt_0

DARK JOURNALIST (Daniel Liszt) is now believing this is all a "psy-op"

MAYBE, we will have to see what happens.

enjoy being
30th December 2017, 20:01
To be fair, the original articles only seem to say that there was a department in existence that investigated reports of ufo. It didn't really say that they found anything. In fact it infers they found nothing as it mentions closing it to make better use of the money.
With the boy that cried wolf dynamic prevalent in the audiences because of such things as NASA's list of great announcements, it is of no surprise that not much reaction has been seen.

NotAPretender
30th December 2017, 22:31
no doubt, I'm totally psy-op'd... What am I suppose to do again?

It's obvious this presentation is based on a template...Special Report...woo hoo, can't hardly wait... omigod, spare us all please!

modwiz
30th December 2017, 22:34
The sources for where the 'public' is getting their information scream "project" of some sort. There are no wholesome people involved in this story unfolding and the stench of it is nauseating. A human wishing to be rescued by aliens is a failing human because they have rejected their place in the Universe and their agency on the Earth.

The particular species of humanoid on Earth is far more 'special' than any outside group might even fully comprehend. Unfortunately, the dis-empowerment and breaking of the psyche of too many creates a fertile condition for desiring and wishing for salvation from those 'who know better' than us. Salvation themes are part of the sepsis from the middle-east sky god religions and dominate the psyche of the Anglo-American empire and their past colonial victims.

NotAPretender
30th December 2017, 22:59
Perhaps, but speaking for myself, I just want to talk to one about their planet, maybe take a trip there, as one of my co-workers says, 'he wants to see the brochures before he goes...

My biggest dream as a young boy was to be the 1st man on mars...I planned my life around that until reality hit me in the back of the head...Why 'they' would be in any better position to 'save us' than we are ourselves strikes me as a bit of a mystery? There is so much more to the potential exchanges that being saved is dwarfed in importance. In fact, we might actually learn that we CAN save ourselves if we acted as if we had any damn sense.

NotAPretender
30th December 2017, 23:06
I'm not going to let anybody dampen my spirits. The way I see it, the more naysayers the better...This just feels different to me...No promises, no spectacuganza, no invading fleets, just plain give me the facts, ma'am. If that is meant as a diversionary tactic...I congratulate for a job damn well done...Just do the research, publish the results and I'll be as happy as a dawg with 2 peepees.

Amanda
30th December 2017, 23:25
Enjoying this thread - great to see the discussion open up. Have attached a link - I may have posted it before but it seems appropriate to share it here. It is worth a look. The Person/People who compiled their research into an ordered and easy to read list have done well!

http://in5d.com/ufos-and-extraterrestrials-in-art-history/

The aspect of being saved by Intergalactic Visitors - is a really interesting point of thinking. So I ask myself: Do I want to be saved by an Intergalactic Visitor?? Saved from what/who/whatever??

What I would really really really like is to interact on a face to face basis. Share information and evidence. Share knowledge. Any help from a Sentient Being who is evolved and has the ability to Teach - now that is a concept I could embrace.


Much Peace & Much Respect - Amanda

modwiz
31st December 2017, 00:10
I'm not going to let anybody dampen my spirits. The way I see it, the more naysayers the better...This just feels different to me...No promises, no spectacuganza, no invading fleets, just plain give me the facts, ma'am. If that is meant as a diversionary tactic...I congratulate for a job damn well done...Just do the research, publish the results and I'll be as happy as a dawg with 2 peepees.

Not sure if I am considered a naysayer by you. My words were a long form of the 'Lost In Space" robot saying, "Danger, Will Robinson". Ringing an alarm is not the same as being a naysayer.

Lemual
31st December 2017, 00:36
anything but extraterrestrial craft.

I've always wondered why the ET explanation was such a stretch for people. It actually seems pretty reasonable to me.

NotAPretender
31st December 2017, 00:43
Not sure if I am considered a naysayer by you. My words were a long form of the 'Lost In Space" robot saying, "Danger, Will Robinson". Ringing an alarm is not the same as being a naysayer.

:) yeah, I'm with you on that one...

NotAPretender
31st December 2017, 00:48
It has occurred to me why this is happening now...it is the result of long term ongoing efforts, BUT, the tipping point is that mainstream media has been maligned so viciously by the current administration and his ostensible political party that MSM finally has had enough. It is national loyalty that has always kept them silent, why they cooperated fully with government to 'help' keep the U.S. safe.

I'm sure they are feeling there is no safety to be had, in fact, I"m sure MSM feels that the MORE information they release to the public now the safer and more secure the U.S will be. Let's hope they don't lose that 'f*ck it' feeling just yet.

Lemual
31st December 2017, 01:21
It is national loyalty that has always kept them silent, why they cooperated fully with government to 'help' keep the U.S. safe.

With the advent of Project Mockingbird (and others we don't know about) I'm not sure it was just loyalty keeping them silent. I'm sure some journalist believe in National secrecy/security (and didn't report certain things due to that) but a lot would have been silenced through ridicule and dissuasion from the aforementioned alphabet soup agency "plants".

I do hope that some in the (ms) media remain recalcitrant and continue to report on this.

Fred Steeves
31st December 2017, 02:17
The sources for where the 'public' is getting their information scream "project" of some sort.

I concur in spades, except being a semi pedant the "p" would be capitalized in "Project". As an aside, I wouldn't leave the Alternative Community's sources of information unblemished either, considering our sources and the public's sources are now seen beginning to blend seamlessly as one.

1935

Lemual
31st December 2017, 02:56
I concur in spades, except being a semi pedant the "p" would be capitalized in "Project". As an aside, I wouldn't leave the Alternative Community's sources of information unblemished either, considering our sources and the public's sources are now seen beginning to blend seamlessly as one.

1935

When it comes to this topic I doubt there are any sources of information that are pristine, well external ones anyway.

Further to this being a "Project", I can't remember what thread it was on but I was discussing the whole Tom Delonge affair and positing that it seemed like some kind of psy-op/distraction. It seems there is at least one character common to both, namely Luis Elizondo.

modwiz
31st December 2017, 03:26
As an aside, I wouldn't leave the Alternative Community's sources of information unblemished either, considering our sources and the public's sources are now seen beginning to blend seamlessly as one.


Agreed, big time. To overcome the opposition, become it. The inner emptiness of the many new ager's has created a vacuum that sucks in anything with little to no discretion. Reading live chats of any ilk, where the public get to display their collective wisdom is too often a pathetic shitshow of turd-flinging monkeys. The turds being memes and phrases used with no comprehension of their meaning. Words tossed around to apeear 'woke'.:fpalm:

NotAPretender
31st December 2017, 14:24
I concur in spades, except being a semi pedant the "p" would be capitalized in "Project". As an aside, I wouldn't leave the Alternative Community's sources of information unblemished either, considering our sources and the public's sources are now seen beginning to blend seamlessly as one.

1935

that's a good thing...a dose of reality never hurt anyone...


Agreed, big time. To overcome the opposition, become it. The inner emptiness of the many new ager's has created a vacuum that sucks in anything with little to no discretion. Reading live chats of any ilk, where the public get to display their collective wisdom is too often a pathetic shitshow of turd-flinging monkeys. The turds being memes and phrases used with no comprehension of their meaning. Words tossed around to apeear 'woke'.:fpalm:

Becoming it is a natural progression of 'projection'. It really is not a matter of becoming it, it is the revelation that it is it. Does that sound 'woke' enough... :)


When it comes to this topic I doubt there are any sources of information that are pristine, well external ones anyway.

Further to this being a "Project", I can't remember what thread it was on but I was discussing the whole Tom Delonge affair and positing that it seemed like some kind of psy-op/distraction. It seems there is at least one character common to both, namely Luis Elizondo.

I think what is being lost in the discussion is a point that someone made early on...Tom Delonge Project is irrelevant to the 'event'. It occurred as a result of the New York Times info release, not really anything Delonge or Elizondo did. Perhaps synchronicity in action, perhaps even something that was meant to be.

What is earth shattering to me is the fact that after so many years of 'pretending' there was no official interest, we now know that it was all a cover and that is what is really revelatory. I, for one, can breathe a sigh of relief for many reasons.

donk
31st December 2017, 17:12
The particular species of humanoid on Earth is far more 'special' than any outside group might even fully comprehend. Unfortunately, the dis-empowerment and breaking of the psyche of too many creates a fertile condition for desiring and wishing for salvation from those 'who know better' than us. Salvation themes are part of the sepsis from the middle-east sky god religions and dominate the psyche of the Anglo-American empire and their past colonial victims.

Oh, we're "special" alright...and what makes different from the non-humanoid species here on earth (that we are aware of, ie the rest of the animals and plants) is the way we process and use the information we receive.

Knowing valid information about any "outside groups" is empowering, and programming us to believe that we can only see more self aware species with more information (and more healthy/practical uses of it) as saviors is disempowering.

Someone/something has more information, more useful information...and I think what this thread shows is how well whoever has it has managed to control and shape and it (the information we receive...and don't). It's difficult to discern if a DeLong e or a Greer or any of these characters are (or were) "working" for their own self interest (which possibly may have been service to others originally), or always for some other agency/agenda (knowingly or not), or some combination.

Being unable to determine that, it is even harder to discern any of the information they share (or are allowed to share). When we speak of empowerment (or disempowerment), it is always going to come to a level a faith (if in nothing else, our own discernment). The one thing we can know (and rarely consciously base our thoughts from) is that more often than not, we base what information we believe in on emotions (which are easily manipulated, and often counter to what "subjective reality" would agree upon.

So bringing it back, this is why emotional maturity and self awareness are so crucial...empowering. But projecting on to the rest of the species that it always manifests in a savior paradigm is a generalization, while maybe a little bit useful in approaching this specific subject matter...I think a more useful approach is to look to religious/savior aspects of what we call SCIENCE...authority approved information that is supposedly based more in physical scientific method applied "evidence"

History--or at least my observation of the information that has come into my awareness in this lifetime--has shown that SOMEONE has piles of stuff like they show in the old clip at the beginning of this thread. My heart and mind tell me it would be in the interest of this species that all of it should be shares and discussed with everyone, in order to create a more accurate "science-based" picture. But we have a reality created where it is "known" that whoever has all of it, believes it to be a danger to have it released. And in actuality that IS a real reality, otherwise we would have it.

So there is a very REAL reality where we are limited and disempowered, by beliefs put upon us--mmaybe even by ourselves. Most artistic interpretations of this say we can only release ourselves from this self imposed prison by rising up in revolution and oust the controllers, and in practise this cycle repeats...but with the actual controllers giving the "masses" that the enemy is this or that figurehead leading this or that army...and when the tools are overthrown the rebels just take up those tools' spots, never gaining access to the real empowering information.

Watching this cycle in our "history" and popular entertainment, it is easy to slip into mindset, idea, belief...that something with as much or more info than our controllers will provide it to us in a way we can practically use. There's only so much our inner work and emotional maturity can do. The monkeys aren't escaping the bars of their zoo without help, and if a clever few do, they aren't going to live a free soverign life in this reality without help from some "outside group"...and it doesn't matter if they think those helpers are sky gods or star people. There is a reality we can't "know ourselves" out of escaping.

NotAPretender
1st January 2018, 15:00
They're heeeerrrreeee! :) Any updates or thoughts about ET. They sent me a message through my TV a few weeks ago....

I was reading some material yesterday and took a closer look at the people involved in the To the stars academy, I'm actually thinking about investing. I guess some elements of the rank-and-file sense 'evil' in these people?

NotAPretender
1st January 2018, 15:24
Oh, we're "special" alright...and what makes different from the non-humanoid species here on earth (that we are aware of, ie the rest of the animals and plants) is the way we process and use the information we receive.

Knowing valid information about any "outside groups" is empowering, and programming us to believe that we can only see more self aware species with more information (and more healthy/practical uses of it) as saviors is disempowering.

Someone/something has more information, more useful information...and I think what this thread shows is how well whoever has it has managed to control and shape and it (the information we receive...and don't). It's difficult to discern if a DeLong e or a Greer or any of these characters are (or were) "working" for their own self interest (which possibly may have been service to others originally), or always for some other agency/agenda (knowingly or not), or some combination.

Being unable to determine that, it is even harder to discern any of the information they share (or are allowed to share). When we speak of empowerment (or disempowerment), it is always going to come to a level a faith (if in nothing else, our own discernment). The one thing we can know (and rarely consciously base our thoughts from) is that more often than not, we base what information we believe in on emotions (which are easily manipulated, and often counter to what "subjective reality" would agree upon.

So bringing it back, this is why emotional maturity and self awareness are so crucial...empowering. But projecting on to the rest of the species that it always manifests in a savior paradigm is a generalization, while maybe a little bit useful in approaching this specific subject matter...I think a more useful approach is to look to religious/savior aspects of what we call SCIENCE...authority approved information that is supposedly based more in physical scientific method applied "evidence"

History--or at least my observation of the information that has come into my awareness in this lifetime--has shown that SOMEONE has piles of stuff like they show in the old clip at the beginning of this thread. My heart and mind tell me it would be in the interest of this species that all of it should be shares and discussed with everyone, in order to create a more accurate "science-based" picture. But we have a reality created where it is "known" that whoever has all of it, believes it to be a danger to have it released. And in actuality that IS a real reality, otherwise we would have it.

So there is a very REAL reality where we are limited and disempowered, by beliefs put upon us--mmaybe even by ourselves. Most artistic interpretations of this say we can only release ourselves from this self imposed prison by rising up in revolution and oust the controllers, and in practise this cycle repeats...but with the actual controllers giving the "masses" that the enemy is this or that figurehead leading this or that army...and when the tools are overthrown the rebels just take up those tools' spots, never gaining access to the real empowering information.

Watching this cycle in our "history" and popular entertainment, it is easy to slip into mindset, idea, belief...that something with as much or more info than our controllers will provide it to us in a way we can practically use. There's only so much our inner work and emotional maturity can do. The monkeys aren't escaping the bars of their zoo without help, and if a clever few do, they aren't going to live a free soverign life in this reality without help from some "outside group"...and it doesn't matter if they think those helpers are sky gods or star people. There is a reality we can't "know ourselves" out of escaping.

Hi Donk,

Something occurred to me...The 'others' might be as inclined to keep eating us as they are to save us. Equally possible perhaps? Have you ever seen Dick Cheney in the "Midnight Meat Train"...

Dreamtimer
1st January 2018, 15:42
The movie sounds awful. Did Cheney have a cameo?

NotAPretender
1st January 2018, 15:51
:) no, not really...but he could have starred in it...

as for the movie...yeah, it was very awful, if you can stomach it and are into shock value, that's the movie for you.

NotAPretender
1st January 2018, 15:58
I propably should apologize for this, but it is considered a high quality movie and it is about ET though that isn't revealed until late in the movie...I provided the spoiler because it's not likely to appeal beyond anyone with an appreciation of the sick. I've walked out of movies like this if it is only about gratuitous violence...this one isn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHvnWuQQidg

Lemual
2nd January 2018, 05:38
They're heeeerrrreeee! :) Any updates or thoughts about ET. They sent me a message through my TV a few weeks ago....

I was reading some material yesterday and took a closer look at the people involved in the To the stars academy, I'm actually thinking about investing. I guess some elements of the rank-and-file sense 'evil' in these people?

Hopeful but sceptical would be my description. Most Iv'e spoken to think To the Stars is a Psy-op or a Con. I'd love it if it wasn't but I'm reserving judgement for now.

One point on TTS Academy - I was dubious about the whole "media" wing of the organisation. It seemed odd that a company mainly concerned with "aerospace" affairs would be interested in releasing media (movies etc).

Having now seen the lukewarm reception the NYT article got I can actually see that if an organisation wanted to bring this issue to the forefront then a robust media campaign would be in order. I'm still not completely convinced they're on the up and up but if there WAS such a legitimate company with the same goals as stated by TTS then a strong media campaign would be a must.

(I'm still shocked/disappointed that so many people seem so nonchalant about this article and it's implications)

Kathy
2nd January 2018, 12:27
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UieuNu2vla8
"Streamed live 15 hours ago by DarkJournalist

Exposing the False Disclosure Op!
Dark Journalist Special Report with Gigi Young on The UFO Disclosure Counter Intelligence Psyop by Tom Delonge, Luis Elizondo, Harry Reid, Academy to the Star & The New York Times!"

Lemual
3rd January 2018, 07:58
I'm late to the game with Dark Journalist, I've heard his name around a lot but never watched a video until now.

What's everyone else's opinion of him and/or the quality of his reporting/journalism?

Aragorn
3rd January 2018, 12:05
I'm late to the game with Dark Journalist, I've heard his name around a lot but never watched a video until now.

What's everyone else's opinion of him and/or the quality of his reporting/journalism?

He did a whole series of interviews with Bill Ryan on account of Corey Goode a while ago. Now, Corey's narrative is premium bullshit, but if you're going to cling onto El Sombrero™ as a credible source of information, then you've already lost your credibility as a journalist in my book, and especially so since Mr. Robillard never even cared to hear anyone from the other side of that fence — e.g. Michael Salla, who in spite of his incredible naiveté is still an honorable man, which is more than anyone can say of El Sombrero™.

Long story short, I personally consider the Dark Journalist one more source of meaningless noise in this so-called alternative community — merely another narcissistic talking head, and for that matter, a biased one too. But people's mileage may vary. ;)


:tea:

Dumpster Diver
3rd January 2018, 17:47
I listen to DJ, but as a psyop source.

Again, the cool thing about psyop sources is that they know what the truth is and what is the lie. Untangle the truth, a lot of the rest is truth they must pack in to sell the psyop package.

NotAPretender
4th January 2018, 00:45
I'm late to the game with Dark Journalist, I've heard his name around a lot but never watched a video until now.

What's everyone else's opinion of him and/or the quality of his reporting/journalism?

Lizst statements all converge with the general consensus...in any case, you're right, no hoopla...it's a failure by most standards I can think of.

Lemual
4th January 2018, 05:25
but if you're going to cling onto El Sombrero™ as a credible source of information, then you've already lost your credibility as a journalist in my book

Would you say anyone who associates with BR is suspect? (in your opinion)

Further to that, who do you find worthwhile/consistent/believable? (obviously healthy scepticism never goes astray)

All input welcome.


I listen to DJ, but as a psyop source.

Again, the cool thing about psyop sources is that they know what the truth is and what is the lie. Untangle the truth, a lot of the rest is truth they must pack in to sell the psyop package.

What gives you the impression he's a psyop? Is there proof? (not defending him, I'm just wondering)

I wonder sometimes how far the alt community has been infiltrated by the deep state et el.

Aragorn
4th January 2018, 14:19
Would you say anyone who associates with BR is suspect? (in your opinion)

That's a tricky question to answer. I would say that it depends on how and why they associate with him. He obviously has a great deal of fans and worshipers — I believe you yourself have witnessed at least one confrontation between myself and such a worshiper here at The One Truth. Does the name Collidescope ring a bell? :eyebrows: (And she was not the only one, either.)

As a Machiavellian psychopath with a background in Scientology and neuro-linguistic programming — he's also a fan of Werner Erhard and has attended the EST seminars — El Sombrero™ is certainly very skilled at fooling people. At this very moment, Project Avalon has 11'098 members, so I don't think I need saying anything more in that regard.

Now, Richard Dolan is of course another matter. Maybe Richard doesn't care enough about Bill Ryan and his activities to actually know whom he's dealing with, because Dolan is the kind of guy who's more interested in the material than in the personalities behind it. But the Dark Journalist is suspect in and of himself, in my opinion. Look into the guy's background and you'll see what I mean.

Then there are those who very much like rubbing shoulders with El Sombrero™ because they see so much of themselves in him. I'm talking of the usual narcissists here, and I can name a few names, but I'm not going to. They are names that keep on popping up on a regular basis anyway — some perhaps a little less so these days than others, but they're still around.


Further to that, who do you find worthwhile/consistent/believable? (obviously healthy scepticism never goes astray)

Well, I've already mentioned Richard Dolan. Whereas the subject matter of his lectures is concerned, he is to be taken seriously. He conducts his research with great diligence. Likewise, there is Michael Schratt, who was interviewed by Kerry Cassidy a few times. These guys are historians, and they can back up everything they say with evidence.

Among the credible witnesses/whistleblowers, I also count the very humble but very sincere Clifford Stone. You look at one interview with or presentation by the guy, and you instinctively know he's telling the truth as he knows it. I do not feel the same reassurance of verity when I hear Bob Dean talk. With all due respect for his age and his declining health, he comes across as pretty full of himself, and you can also feel that he's not telling you all that he knows. And that then must also by definition include a contemplation of the question whether that which he does talk about would actually be truthful.

Someone whom I do not trust (anymore) is Joseph P. Farrell. There's a little red light popping on in the back of my head every time I hear the guy talk. I also don't consider David Wilcock a reliable source of information, and specifically so because he appears to be caught up in his own woo-woo factor. He so desperately wants to believe that he's the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce, just as he also so desperately wants to believe that the aliens Corey Goode talks about would be the Ra entity of the Law Of One material.

Alfred Lambremont Webre is even worse than David Wilcock, and by a huge margin too. He's not a researcher, but instead he's just someone with an enormous dose of paranoia, a strong woo-woo factor, a lust for sensationalism beyond belief, and all he does is reiterate what he's heard elsewhere without even vetting the material. And then he writes books about it and sells them.

But I'll tell you whom you should have faith in: yourself. ;) Don't listen to all these talking heads. Listen to yourself. Use your intuition. ;)


I wonder sometimes how far the alt community has been infiltrated by the deep state et el.

Not quite as far as the so-called "alt community" itself believes. After all, there is no need to. The "alt community" is perfectly capable of deceiving itself. It is all too easy for all too many people to just take someone's word at face value and/or misconstrue perfectly natural phenomena and scientific facts, rather than to actually get off their butts and do some research that doesn't include any tabloid websites or questionable YouTube sources.

What the vast majority of the so-called "alt community" needs to do, first and foremost, is stop thinking that they would be some kind of an enlightened elite just because they happen to believe in extraterrestrial visitations and/or conspiracy theories. It doesn't work like that.

So long as people thoughtlessly keep on consuming information without actually working on themselves — and by this, I am not talking about balancing one's chakras, raising one's vibrations or whatever other hollow New Age meme applies — things are never going to change. What's the difference between watching the mainstream news on television and listening to the umpteenth video from Kerry Cassidy and the likes?

That's right: nothing at all. It's all bull. As the late Mahatma Gandhi said, you must be the change you wish to see in the world — or become it, if you aren't already. There's no point in sitting in front of a screen and listening to some talking head. If you want to change the world — "you" in the impersonal, proverbial sense — then you have to start with yourself. Don't wait for the other person to do it, because you'd be waiting until the cows come home.

You are the center of your own universe, and so that is what you have to go on. And you should also not wait for anyone else to catch on, because then too, you would be waiting for the cows to come home. Just be the change, for the sake of being it, regardless of whether others pick up on it or not. Because then at least you know that you're doing The Right Thing™, and for The Right Reasons™. ;)

Dumpster Diver
4th January 2018, 14:31
Would you say anyone who associates with BR is suspect? (in your opinion)

Further to that, who do you find worthwhile/consistent/believable? (obviously healthy scepticism never goes astray)

All input welcome.



What gives you the impression he's a psyop? Is there proof? (not defending him, I'm just wondering)

I wonder sometimes how far the alt community has been infiltrated by the deep state et el.

Since Bill Ryan, a Scientologist, is running a psyop at the kool-aid stand, and DJ ran a 6 part hit piece against CG along with the cat in the Hat, it makes sense, but actually there is more math behind it than that. Add in Greer, a CIA operative outed by Andy Basiago, and combined operations against CG/DW over the past year. The objective is to get the alt-world community to look away from the chaotic sun, coming sun flash, earth pole shift, ascension, and the global warming/solar system warming coverup using chem trails, etc.

Lemual
5th January 2018, 03:49
That's a tricky question to answer. I would say that it depends on how and why they associate with him. He obviously has a great deal of fans and worshipers — I believe you yourself have witnessed at least one confrontation between myself and such a worshiper here at The One Truth. Does the name Collidescope ring a bell? :eyebrows: (And she was not the only one, either.)

As a Machiavellian psychopath with a background in Scientology and neuro-linguistic programming — he's also a fan of Werner Erhard and has attended the EST seminars — El Sombrero™ is certainly very skilled at fooling people. At this very moment, Project Avalon has 11'098 members, so I don't think I need saying anything more in that regard.

Now, Richard Dolan is of course another matter. Maybe Richard doesn't care enough about Bill Ryan and his activities to actually know whom he's dealing with, because Dolan is the kind of guy who's more interested in the material than in the personalities behind it. But the Dark Journalist is suspect in and of himself, in my opinion. Look into the guy's background and you'll see what I mean.

Then there are those who very much like rubbing shoulders with El Sombrero™ because they see so much of themselves in him. I'm talking of the usual narcissists here, and I can name a few names, but I'm not going to. They are names that keep on popping up on a regular basis anyway — some perhaps a little less so these days than others, but they're still around.



Well, I've already mentioned Richard Dolan. Whereas the subject matter of his lectures is concerned, he is to be taken seriously. He conducts his research with great diligence. Likewise, there is Michael Schratt, who was interviewed by Kerry Cassidy a few times. These guys are historians, and they can back up everything they say with evidence.

Among the credible witnesses/whistleblowers, I also count the very humble but very sincere Clifford Stone. You look at one interview with or presentation by the guy, and you instinctively know he's telling the truth as he knows it. I do not feel the same reassurance of verity when I hear Bob Dean talk. With all due respect for his age and his declining health, he comes across as pretty full of himself, and you can also feel that he's not telling you all that he knows. And that then must also by definition include a contemplation of the question whether that which he does talk about would actually be truthful.

Someone whom I do not trust (anymore) is Joseph P. Farrell. There's a little red light popping on in the back of my head every time I hear the guy talk. I also don't consider David Wilcock a reliable source of information, and specifically so because he appears to be caught up in his own woo-woo factor. He so desperately wants to believe that he's the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce, just as he also so desperately wants to believe that the aliens Corey Goode talks about would be the Ra entity of the Law Of One material.

Alfred Lambremont Webre is even worse than David Wilcock, and by a huge margin too. He's not a researcher, but instead he's just someone with an enormous dose of paranoia, a strong woo-woo factor, a lust for sensationalism beyond belief, and all he does is reiterate what he's heard elsewhere without even vetting the material. And then he writes books about it and sells them.

But I'll tell you whom you should have faith in: yourself. ;) Don't listen to all these talking heads. Listen to yourself. Use your intuition. ;)



Not quite as far as the so-called "alt community" itself believes. After all, there is no need to. The "alt community" is perfectly capable of deceiving itself. It is all too easy for all too many people to just take someone's word at face value and/or misconstrue perfectly natural phenomena and scientific facts, rather than to actually get off their butts and do some research that doesn't include any tabloid websites or questionable YouTube sources.

What the vast majority of the so-called "alt community" needs to do, first and foremost, is stop thinking that they would be some kind of an enlightened elite just because they happen to believe in extraterrestrial visitations and/or conspiracy theories. It doesn't work like that.

So long as people thoughtlessly keep on consuming information without actually working on themselves — and by this, I am not talking about balancing one's chakras, raising one's vibrations or whatever other hollow New Age meme applies — things are never going to change. What's the difference between watching the mainstream news on television and listening to the umpteenth video from Kerry Cassidy and the likes?

That's right: nothing at all. It's all bull. As the late Mahatma Gandhi said, you must be the change you wish to see in the world — or become it, if you aren't already. There's no point in sitting in front of a screen and listening to some talking head. If you want to change the world — "you" in the impersonal, proverbial sense — then you have to start with yourself. Don't wait for the other person to do it, because you'd be waiting until the cows come home.

You are the center of your own universe, and so that is what you have to go on. And you should also not wait for anyone else to catch on, because then too, you would be waiting for the cows to come home. Just be the change, for the sake of being it, regardless of whether others pick up on it or not. Because then at least you know that you're doing The Right Thing™, and for The Right Reasons™. ;)

Above and beyond answer Aragorn! Thank you very much. As for all the points you made I agree with pretty much everything. Didn't know about Michael Schratt so also thanks for that one.

As for Dolan, I hold him in pretty high esteem. Not that he's beyond question (no one is) but I find his writings well researched and referenced. Another name I'll add (and feel free to add your opinions of him) is Nick Pope. His talks seem pretty "dry" but he seems to stick to what he knows. He is ex Govt though so that needs to be taken into consideration.

I figured the same re the "alt community". It seems lots of people are willing to throw around the psy-op label when an ill informed narcissist (or useful idiot maybe) is an equally good explanation.

Again thanks for the huge response :thup:

Dumpster Diver
5th January 2018, 04:02
That's a tricky question to answer. I would say that it depends on how and why they associate with him. He obviously has a great deal of fans and worshipers — I believe you yourself have witnessed at least one confrontation between myself and such a worshiper here at The One Truth. Does the name Collidescope ring a bell? :eyebrows: (And she was not the only one, either.)

As a Machiavellian psychopath with a background in Scientology and neuro-linguistic programming — he's also a fan of Werner Erhard and has attended the EST seminars — El Sombrero™ is certainly very skilled at fooling people. At this very moment, Project Avalon has 11'098 members, so I don't think I need saying anything more in that regard.

Now, Richard Dolan is of course another matter. Maybe Richard doesn't care enough about Bill Ryan and his activities to actually know whom he's dealing with, because Dolan is the kind of guy who's more interested in the material than in the personalities behind it. But the Dark Journalist is suspect in and of himself, in my opinion. Look into the guy's background and you'll see what I mean.

Then there are those who very much like rubbing shoulders with El Sombrero™ because they see so much of themselves in him. I'm talking of the usual narcissists here, and I can name a few names, but I'm not going to. They are names that keep on popping up on a regular basis anyway — some perhaps a little less so these days than others, but they're still around.



Well, I've already mentioned Richard Dolan. Whereas the subject matter of his lectures is concerned, he is to be taken seriously. He conducts his research with great diligence. Likewise, there is Michael Schratt, who was interviewed by Kerry Cassidy a few times. These guys are historians, and they can back up everything they say with evidence.

Among the credible witnesses/whistleblowers, I also count the very humble but very sincere Clifford Stone. You look at one interview with or presentation by the guy, and you instinctively know he's telling the truth as he knows it. I do not feel the same reassurance of verity when I hear Bob Dean talk. With all due respect for his age and his declining health, he comes across as pretty full of himself, and you can also feel that he's not telling you all that he knows. And that then must also by definition include a contemplation of the question whether that which he does talk about would actually be truthful.

Someone whom I do not trust (anymore) is Joseph P. Farrell. There's a little red light popping on in the back of my head every time I hear the guy talk. I also don't consider David Wilcock a reliable source of information, and specifically so because he appears to be caught up in his own woo-woo factor. He so desperately wants to believe that he's the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce, just as he also so desperately wants to believe that the aliens Corey Goode talks about would be the Ra entity of the Law Of One material.

Alfred Lambremont Webre is even worse than David Wilcock, and by a huge margin too. He's not a researcher, but instead he's just someone with an enormous dose of paranoia, a strong woo-woo factor, a lust for sensationalism beyond belief, and all he does is reiterate what he's heard elsewhere without even vetting the material. And then he writes books about it and sells them.

But I'll tell you whom you should have faith in: yourself. ;) Don't listen to all these talking heads. Listen to yourself. Use your intuition. ;)



Not quite as far as the so-called "alt community" itself believes. After all, there is no need to. The "alt community" is perfectly capable of deceiving itself. It is all too easy for all too many people to just take someone's word at face value and/or misconstrue perfectly natural phenomena and scientific facts, rather than to actually get off their butts and do some research that doesn't include any tabloid websites or questionable YouTube sources.

What the vast majority of the so-called "alt community" needs to do, first and foremost, is stop thinking that they would be some kind of an enlightened elite just because they happen to believe in extraterrestrial visitations and/or conspiracy theories. It doesn't work like that.

So long as people thoughtlessly keep on consuming information without actually working on themselves — and by this, I am not talking about balancing one's chakras, raising one's vibrations or whatever other hollow New Age meme applies — things are never going to change. What's the difference between watching the mainstream news on television and listening to the umpteenth video from Kerry Cassidy and the likes?

That's right: nothing at all. It's all bull. As the late Mahatma Gandhi said, you must be the change you wish to see in the world — or become it, if you aren't already. There's no point in sitting in front of a screen and listening to some talking head. If you want to change the world — "you" in the impersonal, proverbial sense — then you have to start with yourself. Don't wait for the other person to do it, because you'd be waiting until the cows come home.

You are the center of your own universe, and so that is what you have to go on. And you should also not wait for anyone else to catch on, because then too, you would be waiting for the cows to come home. Just be the change, for the sake of being it, regardless of whether others pick up on it or not. Because then at least you know that you're doing The Right Thing™, and for The Right Reasons™. ;)

Nicely put. You’ve ever so much more patience to write out such. I really can’t get much more than a few paragraphs these days.

Lemual
5th January 2018, 04:10
Andy Basiago

I've heard this name around a bit, do you rate him?

I do try to use my own discernment when researching people/ideas but it's great to have a group like you guys, with a heck of a lot of experience, helping me wade though the muck as it where.

Dumpster Diver
5th January 2018, 04:27
I've heard this name around a bit, do you rate him?

I do try to use my own discernment when researching people/ideas but it's great to have a group like you guys, with a heck of a lot of experience, helping me wade though the muck as it where.

I think Basiago is on the correct side, i.e. not an operative or controlled. But as a MILAB, I think a lot of his memories are suspect as in a fair amount of his memory is overwritten, and he owns up to this fact. Humans are on Mars, a number of Hams have triangulated voice signals from there, so that correlates. His time travels stories are crazy, but I have alternate corroboration of such.

In my work, everything goes back to what I have seen/experienced myself. I use information found in forums like these as vectors to study, but in the end, each fact must check out against things I have seen or derived in my own experience. I would advise you to do the same. Don’t believe what I say, verify it for yourself. It is a lot of work, though.

Lemual
5th January 2018, 05:11
Don’t believe what I say, verify it for yourself. It is a lot of work, though.

I try to as much as I can, it can be hard to find the time. As such I'm here picking the brains of my fellow travellers! :)

Dumpster Diver
5th January 2018, 05:39
I try to as much as I can, it can be hard to find the time. As such I'm here picking the brains of my fellow travellers! :)

You have the rest of your life, what else are you gonna do with it? :dan:

boja
19th November 2018, 12:07
Default ADAM Research Project

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vP1v44NM9ls


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vP1v44NM9ls


Observations On Potential UAP/UFO Material In Possession for The ADAM Research Project

This could be labelled as "more drip feed from TTSA"
HOWEVER, it is noticeable from the following video below (published 30 AUG 2018)
that LUIS ELIZONDO is now much more self-assured and ASSERTIVE.

He is basically CONTROLLING THE NARRATIVE and saying that by about a year from now, much more info will be available publicly - and we must be patient.

He has become the "US version of Nick Pope".


Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3r6SmrCUM0


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3r6SmrCUM0


It is also noticeable that NICK POPE has "sync'd up with Luis & TTSA",
and has COMPLETELY CHANGED his stance on the subject as shown in the video below (published 20 JUL 2018).

Now he's saying instead of "OF NO DEFENCE SIGNIFICANCE", that everybody should be "LOOKING OUT FOR & REPORTING" these UFOs as they are "EXTREMELY IMPORTANT" !! - Choosing his words very carefully, just like Luis admits to doing so.


Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbZrKrZ2UIk


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbZrKrZ2UIk


Their audacity is GALLING after 70 years, but this looks to be the "disclosure program" that they are going to roll out.
(Couple this with the newly released info on 11 SEP 2018 about Skinwalker Ranch in JEREMY CORBELL's film, which must have been approved by "The powers that be")

Somewhere around July / Aug 2018 (perhaps someone can find it, I can't find it now), Luis actually said -

"EITHER JAN / FEB 2019, MORE VIDEOS WILL BE RELEASED WHICH WILL ENABLE US TO HAVE A BETTER CONVERSATION ON THE SUBJECT."

NotAPretender
26th April 2019, 22:49
US Navy introducing guidelines for pilots to report UFO sightings

By Barbara Starr, CNN Pentagon Correspondent

Washington (CNN)Navy pilots who think they may have seen unidentified flying objects will now have a detailed means of reporting unexplainable events so the military can keep track of what may, or may not, be happening.

"The Navy is updating and formalizing the process by which reports of any such suspected incursions can be made to the cognizant authorities," they said in a statement.
"A new message to the fleet that will detail the steps for reporting is in draft," the statement added.

The Navy does not think that aliens have been flying in US airspace, one Navy official told CNN. But there have been "a number of reports of unauthorized and/or unidentified aircraft entering various military-controlled ranges and designated air space in recent years," according to the statement.

"These kinds on incursions can be both a security risk and pose a safety hazard for both Navy and Air Force aviation. For safety and security concerns, the Navy and the USAF takes these reports very seriously and investigates each and every report."

The new policy will standardize how incidents are reported, and what radar or other data may be gathered that the military can store long term for further analysis, the navy official said.
Separately a senior military official told CNN that some of the recent sightings are highly classified military aviation programs undergoing testing in the western United States.

Because the sightings have garnered public attention, senior Navy intelligence officials have briefed Congress, as well as aviators on the safety hazards.
The Pentagon has intermittently over the decades funded various efforts to evaluate unexplained incursions and phenomena, but the last official effort was shuttered in 2012.

A former Pentagon official, who led that program and resigned in protest when it was ended, told CNN's Erin Burnett in 2017 "that there is very compelling evidence that we may not be alone."
Luis Elizondo made clear he could not speak on behalf of the government, but strongly implied there was evidence that stopped him from ruling out the possibility that alien aircraft visited Earth.

"These aircraft -- we'll call them aircraft -- are displaying characteristics that are not currently within the US inventory nor in any foreign inventory that we are aware of," Elizondo said of objects they researched.

He said the program sought to identify what had been seen, either through tools or eyewitness reports, and then "ascertain and determine if that information is a potential threat to national security."
"We found a lot," Elizondo said.

The former Pentagon official said they identified "anomalous" aircraft that were "seemingly defying the laws of aerodynamics."
"Things that don't have any obvious flight services, any obvious forms of propulsion, and maneuvering in ways that include extreme maneuverability beyond, I would submit, the healthy G-forces of a human or anything biological," Elizondo said.