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Jengelen
22nd September 2017, 11:27
This thread was split off from the "What Motivates Bill Ryan of Project Avalon Community Forum? (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11414-What-Motivates-Bill-Ryan-of-Project-Avalon-Community-Forum)" thread because — valid or not — this is a topic all of its own and it was derailing the original thread too much.

The first post of this thread is a copy of Jengelen's post here (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11414-What-Motivates-Bill-Ryan-of-Project-Avalon-Community-Forum?p=841979118&viewfull=1#post841979118). All subsequent posts have been moved over from the original thread. Because of the relocation of individual posts from the original thread to this new one here, some inconsistencies may appear in replies with quotes taken from posts on the original thread.


With respect,
Aragorn.











If Corey Goode, David Wilcock, or Bill Ryan, David Icke or any other researcher be it Dark Journalist or Wikileaks' Julian Assange the one thing they all have in common is they seek the hot button stories to gain more view, or more clicks I should say!! I'm not calling it click bait but they are all guilty of that at times I think and I am sure most agree. However, it's forums and videos and your titles are bound to be made to attract people so no harm there but what about the elephant in the room? You know the obvious thing that is right in front of everyone every single day and just flies right over their heads not even noticed? None of them mention it but seem to avoid it other than to drift off on reptilians but it's so much more than that simple answer!

The elephant in the room is that Donald Trump was born a women! That is to say he is a grandma okay? I know anatomy and I've seen enough myself to also know he is married to a man, Melania! I also know his son, with the widows peak, is a female and also married to a man, a transgender no different than Melania or Katelyn Jenner. This son of Trump's was brought up as a male, dressed in little boy clothes according to reports, like father like son. Then we have little Baron, a little girl being brought up as a little boy! Then of course Ivanka, that was actual Ivan!

Now this has been going on since Egypt and Greece and likely before!! So where are the voices? Who notices that Melania, like Michelle Obama were both men? Which speaker is talking about the TV and how it is a direct way to peer right into Lucifer's world where everything is upside down!!? Who else has noticed that Melania Trump looks like many drag queens in Vegas? None of them because they are all on the thing too, that same system of communication and support they all need and part of the same system! You see it now? All connected!

There are no white hats here! But these masters of deception are very polished at what they do. See the video I have attached to see some of the men that started out women and how far this gender reassignment has come. My father worked in top secret things once and told me years back they are always much farther ahead in years than the public knows. I could never get a definite number just that they were well ahead.

Please know that I have absolutely no problem with someone trying to find peace with their gender ID. My problem is not with this it is with honesty because these elite are hiding it making the entire thing look quite sinister. I mean if Trump is running for president and is transgender the people have right to know this before voting! If he is straight and married to a transgender the people also have the same right to know these things before voting! This could likely change opinions of some and perhaps this is why it is hidden or not discussed. If you search you can see that Ted Cruz obviously noticed this and apparently rejoiced at discovering some truth to his suspicions on Melania before the election, even commenting on the 5 o'clock shadow noticed by more than a couple politicians!

When you look on that TV and they say left they mean right! When they say up they mean down, bad they mean good, more they mean less! Less taxes means more and everyone seems to know that much to some extent. And when it's a woman talking it's most always a man in the big positions and when a man, almost always a woman because nothing is as it appears in Lucifer's world! No I'm not religious.

These children used to be killed and sacrificed to Baphomet in the past but now a days they have another form of sacrifice! They take children just like Kaley Cuoco who was supposedly rumored to be male in the womb and if true, the parents and doctors can if wanted begin changing the sex in the womb to that desired by the parents and every now and then one of the MiLab trannies goes nutso like Amada Bynes did remember? Well, that was all related to the same stuff! She apparently started growing new parts down there and discovered biologically anyway, she is male and was sacrificed by her parents as a womb baby and transgendered like Bieber, and Cyrus, and so many others and not one of these guys touches it almost like it's taboo! Makes you wonder if maybe ole Bill Ryan isn't really bio female himself at times or at least it's occurred to me!

Think it's not possible? Watch this and you'll realize it is more than possible. Even treatments not available to the public are available to any of the players because with the pay to play schemes going on today anything is possible for those with the money.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHQTScd0EzI

Fred Steeves
22nd September 2017, 12:30
You may want to consider easing up on the wacky weed, just a smidge...

Emil El Zapato
22nd September 2017, 12:36
Hi Jengelen

Great post, perhaps a little cynical though.

Jengelen
22nd September 2017, 12:49
You may want to consider easing up on the wacky weed, just a smidge...

I said the same things as you all think and will yet say! A man is always three of his head wide at the shoulder. A woman is 2.5 heads wide at the shoulder but some can be like a man, however it is not considered the norm. Then we have height. Men are 7 of their heads tall. Women are 6. If you want to start freaking yourself out start counting head width on your favorite stars and see for yourself how on the tube it's mostly a mirror opposite of doing it in life yourself studying people as you look out in the world. But on TV men are 2.5 heads wide, and many of the women are three heads! Go through your favorite episodes of whatever you like and start checking head sizes too! Look at the jaw, the hand size, feet, length of the arms! All signs of transgender. You can't open up Bing or Google headlines without seeing them because it's everywhere and it's not that I have a problem with someone wanting to find peace in their own gender pref. It's the blatant deception and hiding in plain site and the fact it flies right over the heads of everyone to elicit this response! Fascinating!

I guess some have never been to Vegas because Melania is a drag queen if I've ever seen one!

Aragorn
22nd September 2017, 18:20
If Corey Goode, David Wilcock, or Bill Ryan, David Icke or any other researcher be it Dark Journalist or Wikileaks' Julian Assange the one thing they all have in common is they seek the hot button stories to gain more view, or more clicks I should say!! I'm not calling it click bait but they are all guilty of that at times I think and I am sure most agree. However, it's forums and videos and your titles are bound to be made to attract people so no harm there but what about the elephant in the room? You know the obvious thing that is right in front of everyone every single day and just flies right over their heads not even noticed? None of them mention it but seem to avoid it other than to drift off on reptilians but it's so much more than that simple answer!

The elephant in the room is that Donald Trump was born a women! That is to say he is a grandma okay? I know anatomy and I've seen enough myself to also know he is married to a man, Melania! I also know his son, with the widows peak, is a female and also married to a man, a transgender no different than Melania or Katelyn Jenner. Then we have little Baron, a little girl being brought up as a little boy! Then of course Ivanka, that was actual Ivan! Now this has been going on since Egypt and Greece and likely before!! So where are the voices? Who notices that Melania, like Michelle Obama were both men? Which speaker is talking about the TV and how it is a direct way to peer right into Lucifer's world where everything is upside down!!? None of them because they are all on the thing too and part of the same system! You see it now? All connected! No white hats here!

When you look on that TV and they say left they mean right! When they say up they mean down, bad they mean good, more they mean less! And when it's a woman talking it's most always a man and when a man, almost always a woman because nothing is as it appears in Lucifer's world! These children used to be killed and sacrificed but now a days they have another form of sacrifice! They take children just like Kaley Cuoco who was male in the womb and begin changing the sex in the womb and every now and then one of the My Lab tranny's goes nutso like Amada Bynes did remember? Well, that was all related to the same stuff! She apparently started growing new parts down there and discovered biologically anyway, she is male and was sacrificed by her parents as a womb baby and transgendered like Bieber, and Cyrus, and so many others and not one of these guys touches it almost like it's taboo! Makes you wonder if maybe ole Bill Ryan isn't really bio female himself at times or at least it's occurred to me!

I think you need to lay off on the strong cheese before bedtime, dude. ;)

Jengelen
23rd September 2017, 23:38
I think you need to lay off on the strong cheese before bedtime, dude. ;)

Perhaps so but consider this. I think there probably are invading reptiles and they've taken over the government. In a indirect way you can see it with the transgender thing going on. It would stand to reason that the mini series "V" was telling some truths and one of them is that in the reptile species the female is the dominant one unlike in humans. Remember?

So if that is the case it stands to reason that the females of this invading species would find more comfort in the men's body but to stay disguised and be comfortable in their own gender they transfer the gender of the species they take over (humans) to the female from male and still get the more dominant body type, stronger even than the true female.
The male of the reptile species on the other hand being the weaker sex among reptiles would feel more comfort in the female gender role and biologically weaker body. In turn the dominant females would want to keep the males submissive and weaker but to stay disguised in the society they take over as males while here so they have to pretend and be male in the society of humans you see?

But inside it is a female reptile in the male role but a female body none the less at least biologically so it is the weaker of the two which would prevent a subservient male species in the reptiles from getting any ideas of switching roles if they were for example allowed to occupy the stronger more dominant roles in society.

The reptiles are everywhere in the transgenders both in Hollywood and politics, banking, teaching, publishing, and the media. Ask yourself why it is that so many women in Hollywood are three of their heads wide at the shoulder when the rest of the world is 2.5 head widths at the shoulder for real bio females? How is it that so many dawg ugly big jawed women end up in power positions like Christine LaGarde or whatever her name is? Cause she is a reptile female playing the role of female on earth but in a male body, the stronger more domineering body of the two available. So the reptile take over is right in front of you everyday on the TV where up is down and left is right. "HOLLYWOOD" the wood of Merlin's wand.

If we play a game how many would you get correct? Not serious of course as I don't really want to sway it much more, however alien reptilian possessed humans is something BR would cover to be motivated to comment about. This is just more food for thought really.

Jessica Alba- male or female
Beyonce'- m or f
Christine Baranski
Tom Cruise
Donald Trump
Melania Trump
Johnny Depp
Brad Pitt
Debbie Gibson
Amanda Pete
Lady Ga Ga? Is that really a lady?
Meg Ryan
Tom Hanks
Gwen Stefani
Natalie Portman
Carman Diaz
Amy Winehouse
Pink
David Bowie
Paula Abdul
Taylor Swift
Cara Devingne
Tyra Banks
Britany Spears
Miley Cyrus
Justin Bieber
Carrie Fisher?
The list could be much larger.

Fred Steeves
23rd September 2017, 23:55
Dude, you're losing it...

Dumpster Diver
24th September 2017, 00:19
Sounds like a Mardi Gras parade where most of the good looking "females" are she-males...

...I love New Orleans "variety"

Jengelen
24th September 2017, 09:23
Dude, you're losing it...

Jessica Alba
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-qXTUQw7Bw

Dreamtimer
24th September 2017, 10:16
I think Mr. Parkes missed the females-are-dominant memo, Jengelen. But I'll take your perspective over his. If it's a male psyche/energy inside the physical female body, that's a little easier to grok.

Jessica Alba, though, is just too sweet and pretty to be reptilian inside. And her line of products seems to be well tailored for human needs.

Beyonce as Sasha Fierce is believable in your theory. She'll kick your a$$ whenever she chooses. And her husband will wish he was so tough.:nails:

Jengelen
24th September 2017, 14:33
Speaking of woman/man ...



Remember it's really all about me folks ...

http://projectavalon.net/Amazon/Bill_Ryan_by_waterfall.jpg

Thank you! This picture proves my posts are right on point and just as valid a question to consider for any conspiracy minded persons to consider. Besides that I'm not alone here in thinking there is more here than meets the eye. That is totally on point and not a derailment at all! Look at the feminine aspects of that picture and tell me you can't see reason enough to wonder. That isn't the only picture I've seen showing this either. You all say what you want. I have thick skin. We are supposed to be discussing these possibilities. Isn't that the true topic?
Besides that you are the ones with bad eyes here. Open them a little bit further and you'll start to see there are a lot of oddities with all public figures as pointed out.

What motivates them? Seems to me they are all getting off on running incompetent humans around in groups controlling them all the while perhaps showing off their great abilities to each other for how many followers they can all gather up, deceive, control or feed off of for whatever reasons I'm just not sure. It does look like a human round up in many ways to me though and maybe I just see that being a cowpoke!? From biblical times to now they manipulate the masses much the same ways only today it's through tools of mass communication. Like dangling carrots and all the followers just jump in line.EDIT: to add
Discomfort with the subject matter does not invalidate it or the questions.

Emil El Zapato
24th September 2017, 16:13
Shakira: Male or Female

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/30/db/22/30db22b4cb362b261459fedff871df1f.jpg

http://picture-cdn.wheretoget.it/ebxlkm-l-610x610-underwear-shakira-lace-leotard-body-sheer.jpg

Just between you and me, I don't even care... :)

NAP

Jengelen
24th September 2017, 17:24
Shakira: Male or Female

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/30/db/22/30db22b4cb362b261459fedff871df1f.jpg

http://picture-cdn.wheretoget.it/ebxlkm-l-610x610-underwear-shakira-lace-leotard-body-sheer.jpg

Just between you and me, I don't even care... :)

NAP

We have to care. I mean if this is real it's infiltrated our highest government officials! This video here is not one I'm guilty of watching entirely but if you just for the sake of argument use it here for a second to humor me scroll ahead if it doesn't pop up immediately to 6:30 and still frame it. Cover that photo with your thumb and this is granddad walking the beach in a bikini if you ignore the breasts and pappy is showing off the family pride between his legs I might add! This is Donald Trump's x wife! Now color me whatever color you like okay! IF we have been taken over by aliens they would go straight for government. IF shows do occasionally spell out truth then V the series shows us it's reptiles that have dominant females, Stargate that they infiltrate from within, They Live showing they hide in plain sight and Ancient Aliens and David Icke and others pointing out they've been here messing with mankind for quite some time! How would they infiltrate? Maybe just like this and maybe their weakness is in fact that the females are so bent on dominance that even when taking over a planet for the hosts they won't let the males occupy the stronger male bodies of humans!! The males have to be bio-females and can pretend to be human males in and among the society.

Okay call it a silly belief! Needs to be stated now though because conveniently just as the public is finally turning onto this strangeness they are planning to make negative speech against trans a crime in the future! All this gender issue stuff is a big part of their control over the masses whoever these beings are! To me it's no more silly than anything Goode or Ryan have promoted or talked about so far and we can see some physical signs, dare I say evidences at least with my theory and you can't that is to say CANNOT do that with Corey Goode or David Wilcock who Bill brought to us with a big granny smile! Maybe Bill Ryan wears that hat all the time to draw attention from his feme face and small ears, small hands and he likes the macho image it adds! Otherwise put a wig on him and some make up he is a granny like Donald Trump.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6Hry7zrHmc&t=391s

This second video if it loads for me is one showing some of the remarkable surgeries being done. You can watch this if you like but keep in mind these surgeries go both ways!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf2SsCTZ5-I&t=8s

Wind
24th September 2017, 18:29
Someone has been listening this too much...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf0oXY4nDxE

Jengelen
24th September 2017, 19:28
Hey Fred,

That's a good idea, but I've got 'Jen'G'elen' figured out. (i.e. Jender). He/She is a proponent of 'understanding' of transgenderism, which is cool with me really. A full thread might be interesting though it could get 'pornographic' pretty quickly with my help. Because I would need to continue posting 'full' women... :eyebrows:

NAP

No I'm done and would have stopped except to reply to those that carried it on. My point belonged here, it's been on my mind. A researcher somewhere may see something from one of the posts they can grasp or that rings true. You never know? Lightning may strike and something could be discovered like the fact that a gender reassignment surgery has been found in Denver for someone that started out as a guys name and was listed as a Slavic last name beginning with a "K" and the first name was later changed to "Melania". i ask you. How many people named Melania did you hear of before she became a household name? I'm no expert on it certainly but it appears to me enough tells are showing up with some of these that a serious look should make it obvious and I don't believe it is everyone but more like just the leaders and power players, you know the ones recognized, rewarded all the time! The key game players only. By the way. Jengelen is an ancient word. Jingle and Jangle were the first two! People would say something would jingle like keys or it may jangle almost like a cow bell but another way is Jengelen or janglin' which was another shorter way to say something jingles and jangles both. It had to do with sounds and nothing else.

Emil El Zapato
24th September 2017, 19:30
Gawd, that may be the first time I"ve ever been wrong... :) that's what I get for being overconfident...happens every time.

sarahdita85
25th September 2017, 15:25
Why does it matter if someone is a man and not a woman or vice versa? These are only bodies after all, I think whats underneath should be more important.....

Emil El Zapato
25th September 2017, 15:42
well, to many physicality doesn't make any difference. Like anything else it is a continuum.

My particular motto is: (tongue-in-cheek, of course)

"Asexuality, it isn't just for amoeba anymore"

NAP

Jengelen
25th September 2017, 16:44
Why does it matter if someone is a man and not a woman or vice versa? These are only bodies after all, I think whats underneath should be more important.....

Exactly! So why hide it? The deception is the focus. Not the people trying to find comfort in their gender ID. More power to them, I applaud their effort but at some point everyone will undoubtedly come out I would think. There is a guy doing videos on youtube that found reference to Ted Cruz discussing with laughter Melania's obvious five o'clock shadow that is enough to cause her to apparently disappear to reshave that time each day. More are leaking out like this all the time. The factor to consider here is voters! Do voters not have a right to know if the prez is married to a transgender just because 50% of the country feels it's not an issue if he is? I think a lot of people would be very interested to know and for that reason it matters very much.

sarahdita85
25th September 2017, 19:48
Well as much as i cant stand some of the people mentioned, i think its their own business and they dont owe anyone explanations.

Jengelen
25th September 2017, 21:11
Well as much as i cant stand some of the people mentioned, i think its their own business and they dont owe anyone explanations.

I envy your strength and compassion as an individual but as a public official living in the public housing of the White House it is everyone's business who lives there and there is no presumed privacy for the public figures unfortunately. If I was to vote for someone and discover they made decisions in their life that were major such as this that I had no idea about I would at the least feel slighted as if the info was purposely concealed from me. This couldn't allow one to make a educated decision if it is not shared with the people you expect to trust you. If I were to date someone and discover they had concealed such a thing from me, just a body or not I'm sure it would be a deal breaker for any future to the relationship at the least for me. In many ways we are making a relationship for a four year commitment to our president so in my mind we are owed every explanation. Trump seems pretty quick to hop on every other statement with a comeback. I wonder if anyone has tweeted this question to him? I'm pretty sure for many voters it would call into question the company Trump keeps and/or perhaps his observational skills!? I mean did he notice she has a five o'clock shawdow? Some may queston as well as his own judgement? Is he homosexual? Is he a woman himself? There is no presumed privacy with public officials and so many things give indications of the kind of places he frequents for entertainment, which would make sense, Atlantic City, Vegas and so on for his businesses so this is a legit question. Is Melania a transgender? I mean it shouldn't be any big deal but it's all under the table talk and forums like these that are the only places discussing it.

When we look at the song and dance the congress goes through just for a judge? Think about this, in fact every branch of government, legislative, executive, and judicial has shivers and investigates a potential supreme court judge with a magnifying glass and he or she is disqualified for the least little infraction they find! I ask you how fast do you think they'd toss Donald if he were the one being background checked? And why is it okay for the president but probably enough to boot him for any hope of a judge spot!? Not the fact or question that he married a transgender, but the concealment of this from the committee, that would be their issue of course and I think it should be one for the people. It was enough I sat here for eight years watching Michelle's privates dance under her dresses but now we have yet another one. One has to wonder WTF!? I know I do daily.

Why is it that Jenna Talackova is the spitting image of Ivanka? How is it that others like Lisa Kudrow also look so much like her and all three have had plastic surgery apparently by the same doctor? Is this just a mold they use and yet another tell that the entire family is transgender? Some of these people in the video had surgery started as early as 16 on some, and others were started on hormone treatment as early as 14 years of age. These are beautiful examples of what can be achieved with treatments for gender reassignment I must say.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_BzacLRoX8

Jengelen
25th September 2017, 22:36
Before too much longer if the liberals have their way it will be a crime to list the gender of your baby. You must let the baby decide because you might get it wrong. What God intended has no bearing anymore, you have to realize gender is a choice you know? So I ask you in all seriousness! If gender is a choice then why can't people chose to be male when born into a male body and female when born into a female body and simply be happy with that? Better yet happy or not just chose that because you imply that you can do that right? Why do you have to make everyone else comply to your twisted ideas that apparently can change if you so desire so this implies these choices may not even be permanent!? I mean what are we to do here folks just build one rest room for all or do we keep separate rest rooms in every business in case you change your mind?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOlOwJRMalE

Emil El Zapato
25th September 2017, 23:47
whoa, gender is not a choice. It is what we are provided with in terms of genitalia and what our brain gender wiring is conditioned in the womb to be. It doesn't seem unreasonable that there are mismatches and mistakes made. It is not a fad, it has been the situation for time immemorial. That is as silly as someone waking up one morning and deciding to enjoy and be attracted to the same sex. Logic, dictates that it just doesn't happen that way.

it isn't a matter of 'complying' either...it is a matter of sensitivity, compassion, and most of all COOPERATION! Cooperation, is simply not that painful.

Jengelen
26th September 2017, 00:12
whoa, gender is not a choice. It is what we are provided with in terms of genitalia and what our brain gender wiring is conditioned in the womb to be. It doesn't seem unreasonable that there are mismatches and mistakes made. It is not a fad, it has been the situation for time immemorial. That is as silly as someone waking up one morning and deciding to enjoy and be attracted to the same sex. Logic, dictates that it just doesn't happen that way.

it isn't a matter of 'complying' either...it is a matter of sensitivity, compassion, and most of all COOPERATION! Cooperation, is simply not that painful.

Correct! It is not a fad. This is not going away but growing and it's in your face so what is the harm pushing it back in their's a little!? I mean sooner or later like the topic or not you are all going to have to vote on some of these questions!

enjoy being
26th September 2017, 01:24
It is becoming more popular therefore acceptable and acceptable therefore popular, these days, to own a pet pig, and tattoo it.
It is even trendy and cool. Especially in the cafebiker culture, seen as the 'thinking man's pitbull', the whole notion has become embraced. It offers a way for some, to have tattoos without getting the horrid things on themselves, instead opting to nominate their pet pigs. This will obviously culminate in the creation of beautiful tattooed memento when they are gone. Perhaps a wall hanging or rug, or a handbag or shoes.

Aragorn
26th September 2017, 02:09
Apart from having split off this discussion from another thread — where it was derailing the on-topic discussion — into this separate thread here, I was going to stay out of this debate, because, quite frankly and with my background in various fields of science, I found the premise in the original post too ludicrous for myself to even respond to. But as I am always trying to educate — and I don't mean this in a condescending way — I am now going to try and bring some sanity into this discussion.

As always, it is very easy for anyone who doesn't know or understand the basics and the mechanisms behind any given phenomenon to come up with totally implausible and/or impossible stories. That's how this so-called "alternative community" has been deluding itself for years already, and why there doesn't really have to be too much in the way of government shill activity in order to lead this "alternative community" astray. Humans are perfectly capable of deluding themselves. ;)


So here are the scientific facts...

Barring any genetic anomalies — which do exist — a baby's physical gender is determined by which chromosome pairs it has. Women have XX chromosome pairs, and men have XY chromosome pairs. As such, a mammalian egg always contains an X chromosome, and a mammalian sperm contains either an X chromosome or a Y chromosome. In some cases, the chromosomes are damaged and/or an anomalous pairing occurs. For instance, girls with Down Syndrome have XXX chromosomes, and boys with Down Syndrome have XXY chromosomes.

Another such anomalous pairing would be babies with XO chromosomes. These babies are physically androgynous — i.e. they will have the genitalia of both genders, albeit usually not in a functional form, and, insofar as I know, also in an incomplete state of development. In other words, when these children reach the age of sexual maturity, they are actually sterile.

Because genetic research is a still relatively young branch of science, and because of people's earlier (and religiously inspired) belief that gender identity and sexual orientation were only defined later in life — according to Catholic doctrine, this would be around the age of 6 or 7 — androgynous children were usually surgically altered in such a way that they would appear female. In other words, the penis and testicles were cut away, and what remained was shaped into a vagina. Before such children were old enough to undergo the "corrective" surgery, they were then usually also kept away from the other children of their age whenever they needed to change into or out of a bathing suit, or when they needed to shower.

However, as I wrote in the paragraph here-above, this was all in a time when genetic research was still pretty much non-existent, and when people still believed that sexual orientation and gender identity would only develop years after the baby had already been born. Scientific research has in the meantime shown this to be false. Brain scans of both heterosexual and homosexual (or bisexual) people of both genders have shown that there is a significant difference in the layout and functioning of the brain between heterosexual and non-heterosexual people. In fact, to give you an example, in the event of a homosexual male, the brain actually appears to have a lot in common with that of a heterosexual female.

Furthermore, homosexuality and bisexuality also appear to be reflected in the genetic structure, or otherwise put, sexual orientation is just as much determined by one's genes as one's physical gender. And in the event of androgynous children, they are most often not even bisexual. They will commonly have a sexual preference for one gender only. However, given the "corrective" surgery that many of these children have been put through at the time, coupled to their environment then attempting to raise them as girls, these children are guaranteed to find themselves in a lot of emotional and psychological distress, and in having an identity crisis. Nowadays, luckily, there is a better scientific understanding of the phenomenon, and the "corrective" surgery and gender-specific upbringing are no longer applied.

Another such strange phenomenon is a quite frequent occurrence at a specific island or group of islands in the Pacific Ocean, and which is believed to be tied to environmental factors. It has been observed there — and is considered pretty normal by the locals — that certain girls seem to spontaneously turn into boys when puberty sets in. This is however not a matter of an actual biological sex change, but rather a matter of misinterpretation of the babies' gender when they are born.

Genetically and biologically, these children are actually boys — there are no discernible genetic anomalies at all — but due to some strange and apparently localized environmental influence, the baby's penis does not appear to be fully developed yet at birth, and their testes also won't start dropping until at a much later age. And behaviorally, even though those children are raised as girls — because that is what their family believes them to be when they are born — they generally behave very boyish throughout their childhood. They play with toys designed for boys, and they grow up to be perfectly heterosexual men.

Now, the above all said, a transgender is not someone whose physical gender has changed, but rather someone whose physical appearance of gender has instead been altered by way of surgery and hormones. In other words, a male-to-female transgender still has XY chromosomes, and a female-to-male transgender still has XX chromosomes. And no amount of hormone injections, pills or breast implants is ever going to change that, let alone that it would allow a transgender to reproduce sexually by way of their newly assigned gender identity.

With all of that out of the way, I do want to add that it is my personal belief that gender identity and thus also sexual orientation are rather properties of the soul, and that the creation of the fetus from the DNA and the chromosomes of its parents would be influenced by the gender identity of the soul that is to be merged with that particular fetus. Or at least, if the soul is actually self-aware enough to know its own gender identity and sexual preferences. And even then still, it is not unthinkable that some souls may consciously decide to go for a ride in a body of the opposite gender.

Lastly, I will also add the following on account of the conspiracy angle to this thread. While I am firmly convinced that the premise of the original poster is utterly and grossly wrong, both on account of all the celebrities he has listed and on account of his claim of it having something to do with reptilians, there obviously is an "LGBT agenda" being played out, and it has nothing to do with human rights.

We see the same thing here in Europe as in the USA, i.e. there's a Gay Pride — or some equivalent name — almost every month of the year, because it's being organized at different times in different countries. And it serves no purpose at all, because Europe is very liberal in that regard. For instance, gay marriage is perfectly legal here in Belgium, as well as in the Netherlands, and I believe in Germany as well — France has ruled against it, I believe, and given how Catholic Italy is, they probably don't allow it over there yet either. And believe it or not, the Brussels Capitol Region even has a dedicated LGBT police squadron, whose job it is to go out and penalize gay-bashing. I kid you not.

But hey, let the following be a consolation for gay people whose country of residence does not allow them to get legally married... At least you won't have the government meddling with your finances, and you can also save yourselves the trouble of having to pay an expensive lawyer and fight yourselves through a divorce if/when you decide to break up with one another. :p (Hey, what business is it of the bureaucrats whom you choose to have a romantic and/or sexual relationship with anyway, so long as they're legal adults?)

But so anyway, if it's not about human rights, then what is it about? Well, I don't think it has anything to do with the balance between the Divine Feminine and the Divine Masculine either, but rather with a deliberate attempt to pervert the sanctity of these two divine polarities — because that is what they are. And still in my personal opinion, the reason behind this attempt is that the satanists who control Hollywood, politics, et al, are serving the opposite of Creation. Creation seeks to create order out of chaos — the word "chaos" in this context actually being "the undefined and unidentified potential of the quantum superstate" — while those who serve a satanic agenda seek the exact opposite; they are a destructive force that wants entropy and chaos, because dissonance generates loosh energy, which they feed off.

Now, I don't believe in the character of Satan — or, for that matter, Lucifer — because that's just a concoction of mankind, but I do know that there are evil and destructive forces in the universe. Call them the Archons, if you will. And whatever goes down here on Earth — as on any other world in the universe, I suppose — is definitely in their interest. The more chaos and dissonance they can generate, the more loosh it produces, and that's what makes them happy.

The above all said, people often misunderstand something they read on the internet, so let me be clear... Yes, I do believe that some kind of "LGBT agenda" is being played out, and especially so with regard to Hollywood and the music industry. For instance, all recent movies and series in the Star Trek franchise now have to have at least one openly LGBT character on the show.

Gene Roddenberry had also already envisioned that gender and gender roles could pose somewhat of a mystery when dealing with alien species and cultures, but at least, he brought the concept to the foreground in a natural way, for instance when Jadzia Dax met up again with another Trill woman, who had been the wife of a previous (and male) host of the Dax symbiont with whom Jadzia was merged. Bringing an "LGBT awareness" to the screen by forcing every Star Trek series and movie to feature at least one LGBT character is far from natural, and reeks of a "politically correct" agenda, and thus of thought policing.

The bottom line is this: As a happily heterosexual male, I fully support human rights — and I call them "human rights" rather than "LGBT rights", because being LGBT does not grant one more rights than that other humans are entitled to — but LGBT people really ought to lay off on that thought policing agenda. We're all human on this planet, and neither gender identity nor sexual orientation have anything to do with that.


:tea:

Jengelen
26th September 2017, 09:16
Its just a repeat of what I have already stated Aragorn. Read it again and you can see you are not in as much disagreement as you think you are! Loosh is reptile and you are obviously aware. Also as stated by me earlier you are either female or male biologically period and you cannot change it! You are biologically what you are and that is that XX or XY and it won't change with surgery! You are physically male or female! What you are mentally does not at any time change that physicality of your body chromosomes. You just repeated what I said in a different way is all you did. You don't disagree with much at all from what I see. And if the thread is so ridiculous why start a new one then? It seems to me that just because discomfort is experienced with the topic people want to shut it out. Its there, its not leaving and sooner or later it will be at your front door so you may as well deal now! So I guess when it shows up on ballots that you'll just say it's ridiculous to the government all the way to them making it so that you can't even decide the gender of your own child.

There is nothing deluded about being aware of having your buttons pushed all the time to try to mass sway public opinion and trends to new settings because every time you turn around someone is finding a way to make a problem out of the way you live, or the songs you listen to or the car you drive and that is what they are doing presently to all of you and yet even here on the so called 'awake' forums it still flies right over your heads as a non topic or ridiculous and that attitude of passive behavior is why they are walking all over everyone with the agenda daily!

Old 'That Girl' clip. Trans are nothing new in Hollywood

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCpchzEFYQI

Jengelen
26th September 2017, 10:15
David Icke Headline today paste relevant to topic. I want to add first that Icke talks a lot of shape shifting and people witnesses said events. Others speak of haze or aura shields around faces and not remembering faces or what people they met look like often. Maybe Icke got it part right? Maybe the shape change is the gender swap and Icke missed it? To the paste from Icke headlines

"John Lewis, a major retailer in the UK announced today it's going "gender neutral" on children's clothes. Instead of having separate areas all clothes will now be integrated for boys and girls. See how they are targetting children first? Mark my words more stores will combine mens and womens clothing departments next. No separate changing rooms either.

This is social engineering par excellence and the media are promoting it.

Today The Telegraph, The Sun, The Independent, The Mail, The Express, The Times, The Standard and of course Pink News all ran stories to brainwash the masses to accept gender neutrality.

"The Times reports that John Lewis made the decision to go neutral after consulting with the Let Clothes Be Clothes campaign group, which is lobbying to "end gender stereotyping in [the] design/marketing of childrenswear."

Let Clothes Be Clothes said on Twitter this morning that they are "absolutely thrilled" by John Lewis's announcement. Parents and commentators have also praised the retailer's decision to go gender neutral on children's clothes."

They are trying and succeeding into making some parents question their children's gender identities. They are coming for your genitals to neutralize them ladies and gentleman!"

Dreamtimer
26th September 2017, 13:13
The easiest way to screw with peoples' gender and genetic expression is through environment and food.

When industries want to sell their waste instead of paying to dispose of it properly, we end up with fluoride in water, particulates in the atmosphere, and more. Nuclear waste and accidents put radiation in the environment. These are what cause genetic issues.

The conservatives are the ones with the history and record of wanting to legislate what goes on in the bedroom and private lives, not the liberals. Liberals don't give a crap what your orientation is, that would be the obsession of conservatives. They want to know for sure it's a pussy they'll be grabbing. And I'm still not any safer.

Dreamtimer
26th September 2017, 13:35
Why does it matter if someone is a man and not a woman or vice versa? These are only bodies after all, I think whats underneath should be more important.....

I think you hit the nail on the head.:)

I'm feeling a bit nostalgic. Bsbray and I had some fun discussions about my beard and whether I would be sporting it on a TOT-cast. He got some images off the internet that could be real. Some men are quite pretty. This pic isn't the best example but the others are YUGE.
http://brainprick.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/o-CONCHITA-WURST-facebook.jpg

Emil El Zapato
26th September 2017, 15:32
Apart from having split off this discussion from another thread — where it was derailing the on-topic discussion — into this separate thread here, I was going to stay out of this debate, because, quite frankly and with my background in various fields of science, I found the premise in the original post too ludicrous for myself to even respond to. But as I am always trying to educate — and I don't mean this in a condescending way — I am now going to try and bring some sanity into this discussion.

As always, it is very easy for anyone who doesn't know or understand the basics and the mechanisms behind any given phenomenon to come up with totally implausible and/or impossible stories. That's how this so-called "alternative community" has been deluding itself for years already, and why there doesn't really have to be too much in the way of government shill activity in order to lead this "alternative community" astray. Humans are perfectly capable of deluding themselves. ;)


So here are the scientific facts...

Barring any genetic anomalies — which do exist — a baby's physical gender is determined by which chromosome pairs it has. Women have XX chromosome pairs, and men have XY chromosome pairs. As such, a mammalian egg always contains an X chromosome, and a mammalian sperm contains either an X chromosome or a Y chromosome. In some cases, the chromosomes are damaged and/or an anomalous pairing occurs. For instance, girls with Down Syndrome have XXX chromosomes, and boys with Down Syndrome have XXY chromosomes.

Another such anomalous pairing would be babies with XO chromosomes. These babies are physically androgynous — i.e. they will have the genitalia of both genders, albeit usually not in a functional form, and, insofar as I know, also in an incomplete state of development. In other words, when these children reach the age of sexual maturity, they are actually sterile.

Because genetic research is a still relatively young branch of science, and because of people's earlier (and religiously inspired) belief that gender identity and sexual orientation were only defined later in life — according to Catholic doctrine, this would be around the age of 6 or 7 — androgynous children were usually surgically altered in such a way that they would appear female. In other words, the penis and testicles were cut away, and what remained was shaped into a vagina. Before such children were old enough to undergo the "corrective" surgery, they were then usually also kept away from the other children of their age whenever they needed to change into or out of a bathing suit, or when they needed to shower.

However, as I wrote in the paragraph here-above, this was all in a time when genetic research was still pretty much non-existent, and when people still believed that sexual orientation and gender identity would only develop years after the baby had already been born. Scientific research has in the meantime shown this to be false. Brain scans of both heterosexual and homosexual (or bisexual) people of both genders have shown that there is a significant difference in the layout and functioning of the brain between heterosexual and non-heterosexual people. In fact, to give you an example, in the event of a homosexual male, the brain actually appears to have a lot in common with that of a heterosexual female.

Furthermore, homosexuality and bisexuality also appear to be reflected in the genetic structure, or otherwise put, sexual orientation is just as much determined by one's genes as one's physical gender. And in the event of androgynous children, they are most often not even bisexual. They will commonly have a sexual preference for one gender only. However, given the "corrective" surgery that many of these children have been put through at the time, coupled to their environment then attempting to raise them as girls, these children are guaranteed to find themselves in a lot of emotional and psychological distress, and in having an identity crisis. Nowadays, luckily, there is a better scientific understanding of the phenomenon, and the "corrective" surgery and gender-specific upbringing are no longer applied.

Another such strange phenomenon is a quite frequent occurrence at a specific island or group of islands in the Pacific Ocean, and which is believed to be tied to environmental factors. It has been observed there — and is considered pretty normal by the locals — that certain girls seem to spontaneously turn into boys when puberty sets in. This is however not a matter of an actual biological sex change, but rather a matter of misinterpretation of the babies' gender when they are born.

Genetically and biologically, these children are actually boys — there are no discernible genetic anomalies at all — but due to some strange and apparently localized environmental influence, the baby's penis does not appear to be fully developed yet at birth, and their testes also won't start dropping until at a much later age. And behaviorally, even though those children are raised as girls — because that is what their family believes them to be when they are born — they generally behave very boyish throughout their childhood. They play with toys designed for boys, and they grow up to be perfectly heterosexual men.

Now, the above all said, a transgender is not someone whose physical gender has changed, but rather someone whose physical appearance of gender has instead been altered by way of surgery and hormones. In other words, a male-to-female transgender still has XY chromosomes, and a female-to-male transgender still has XX chromosomes. And no amount of hormone injections, pills or breast implants is ever going to change that, let alone that it would allow a transgender to reproduce sexually by way of their newly assigned gender identity.

With all of that out of the way, I do want to add that it is my personal belief that gender identity and thus also sexual orientation are rather properties of the soul, and that the creation of the fetus from the DNA and the chromosomes of its parents would be influenced by the gender identity of the soul that is to be merged with that particular fetus. Or at least, if the soul is actually self-aware enough to know its own gender identity and sexual preferences. And even then still, it is not unthinkable that some souls may consciously decide to go for a ride in a body of the opposite gender.

Lastly, I will also add the following on account of the conspiracy angle to this thread. While I am firmly convinced that the premise of the original poster is utterly and grossly wrong, both on account of all the celebrities he has listed and on account of his claim of it having something to do with reptilians, there obviously is an "LGBT agenda" being played out, and it has nothing to do with human rights.

We see the same thing here in Europe as in the USA, i.e. there's a Gay Pride — or some equivalent name — almost every month of the year, because it's being organized at different times in different countries. And it serves no purpose at all, because Europe is very liberal in that regard. For instance, gay marriage is perfectly legal here in Belgium, as well as in the Netherlands, and I believe in Germany as well — France has ruled against it, I believe, and given how Catholic Italy is, they probably don't allow it over there yet either. And believe it or not, the Brussels Capitol Region even has a dedicated LGBT police squadron, whose job it is to go out and penalize gay-bashing. I kid you not.

But hey, let the following be a consolation for gay people whose country of residence does not allow them to get legally married... At least you won't have the government meddling with your finances, and you can also save yourselves the trouble of having to pay an expensive lawyer and fight yourselves through a divorce if/when you decide to break up with one another. :p (Hey, what business is it of the bureaucrats whom you choose to have a romantic and/or sexual relationship with anyway, so long as they're legal adults?)

But so anyway, if it's not about human rights, then what is it about? Well, I don't think it has anything to do with the balance between the Divine Feminine and the Divine Masculine either, but rather with a deliberate attempt to pervert the sanctity of these two divine polarities — because that is what they are. And still in my personal opinion, the reason behind this attempt is that the satanists who control Hollywood, politics, et al, are serving the opposite of Creation. Creation seeks to create order out of chaos — the word "chaos" in this context actually being "the undefined and unidentified potential of the quantum superstate" — while those who serve a satanic agenda seek the exact opposite; they are a destructive force that wants entropy and chaos, because dissonance generates loosh energy, which they feed off.

Now, I don't believe in the character of Satan — or, for that matter, Lucifer — because that's just a concoction of mankind, but I do know that there are evil and destructive forces in the universe. Call them the Archons, if you will. And whatever goes down here on Earth — as on any other world in the universe, I suppose — is definitely in their interest. The more chaos and dissonance they can generate, the more loosh it produces, and that's what makes them happy.

The above all said, people often misunderstand something they read on the internet, so let me be clear... Yes, I do believe that some kind of "LGBT" agenda is being played out, and especially so with regard to Hollywood and the music industry. For instance, all recent movies and series in the Star Trek franchise now have to have at least one openly LGBT character on the show.

Gene Roddenberry had also already envisioned that gender and gender roles could pose somewhat of a mystery when dealing with alien species and cultures, but at least, he brought the concept to the foreground in a natural way, for instance when Jadzia Dax met up again with another Trill woman, who had been the wife of a previous (and male) host of the Dax symbiont with whom Jadzia was merged. Bringing an "LGBT awareness" to the screen by forcing every Star Trek series and movie to feature at least one LGBT character is far from natural, and reeks of a "politically correct" agenda, and thus of thought policing.

The bottom line is this: As a happily heterosexual male, I fully support human rights — and I call them "human rights" rather than "LGBT rights", because being LGBT does not grant one more rights than that other humans are entitled to — but LGBT people really ought to lay off on that thought policing agenda. We're all human on this planet, and neither gender identity nor sexual orientation have anything to do with that.


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wow, ok, I would add that Robert Heinlein reveled in blurring the lines of gender and sexual orientation almost 75 years ago and just between you and I it always made me a bit squemish, but I'm not sure I would agree in the 'agenda' factor. I would tend to believe that it is a 'natural' progression of evolving social consciousness. Hollywood, as a bastion of social progressiveness, has always used itself as a forum for progressive issues. Consider this, Shakespeare, Michelangelo, DaVinci, Turing, even Jesus have all had their sexual orientation questioned, or even confirmed, as not 'typical'. Creative, or even enlightened individuals have insight and even identification into what you characterized as the divine feminine and divine masculine polarity. This is not new.

Archons:

I have a personal theory about that and it does relate to 'sexuality'. The bible, according to some reactionaries, precludes intermingling of races. However, it doesn't define 'race'. I've long believed that 'race' actually is meant to refer to a notion that dates to antiquity (i.e. Neanderthals, Denisovans, et al). It is patently obvious that mystics have long 'sensed' an evil energy emanating from creation and there is no doubt that it exists. I'm beginning to think that the evil energy is actually latched onto the part of ourselves that violated the Biblical proscription of no intermingling. It is latched onto the part of ourselves that is Neaderthal or Denisovan or even perhaps the animal part of our precursor races.

Jengelen
26th September 2017, 19:07
I think you hit the nail on the head.:)

I'm feeling a bit nostalgic. Bsbray and I had some fun discussions about my beard and whether I would be sporting it on a TOT-cast. He got some images off the internet that could be real. Some men are quite pretty. This pic isn't the best example but the others are YUGE.
http://brainprick.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/o-CONCHITA-WURST-facebook.jpg

Well, there are legal reasons to know the biology of someone, and not the gender preference but the actual biology. Boy Scouts for example is for boys! It's not for manufactured boys that were born female though because those are still biological females! See it says plainly in the rules it has to be boys! The boys scouts by the way, have already kicked people out for this. Girl Scouts too so it goes both ways. You can't chose what is determined by your biology in other words no matter how much you believe in magic which is what it would be. So I am in complete agreement that gender is not a choice. But it does matter no matter how much you want to say it doesn't. Other cases in the past would have been submarine service and such things as this but they changed that to allow enlisted women to work in limited numbers on subs in Dec. of 2014 as I recall.

Emil El Zapato
26th September 2017, 21:13
gotta join the future...talk about things that are on the way...manufactured everything most assuredly is...

Aragorn
27th September 2017, 01:12
Its just a repeat of what I have already stated Aragorn. Read it again and you can see you are not in as much disagreement as you think you are! Loosh is reptile and you are obviously aware.

The idea that the concept of loosh would be reptilian is hogwash. Hollywood tends to stigmatize reptilians in science fiction movies because reptilians look fearsome, and because the Roman Catholic Church and Judaism before it have designated the snake in the (metaphorical) Book of Genesis as Satan, the source of all evil. Christianity — as a derivative of Judaism — is still the dominant religion in the western hemisphere, and certainly in the USA. As I've said before, there's also a reason as to why virtually the whole of South America speaks Spanish and is Catholic.

Yet, if you happen to have read the Book of Job, then you will know that it was not "the Satan" — which was a title, not a proper name — who put Job through all of his misery and deprived him of all that he loved. The Satan was merely an angel who acted in the role of a prosecutor in Yahweh's court, and it was Yahweh himself who decided to ruin Job's life, so as to make his point before the Satan.

In addition to that, the Book of Job is a book from the Old Testament, and in the Old Testament, angels were not beings with an individual soul, but were rather described as emanations of Yahweh's mind and will. So any which way you turn it, the bad guy in the Abrahamic religions is not a character named Satan, but Yahweh himself. According to the scriptures, he did after all say that he's a jealous god, and the Old Testament is full of instances where Yahweh killed people or ruined their lives for not obeying him.

My strongest points of contention with your original post were that none of the people whose names I recognized from that list of celebrities you gave would be a transgender, as well as that transgenders cannot physically procreate by way of their newly assigned gender. You suggested that they could, and that's ridiculous.


And if the thread is so ridiculous why start a new one then? It seems to me that just because discomfort is experienced with the topic people want to shut it out.

Just because I did not agree with your assertions doesn't mean that The One Truth would prevent or forbid you from having a discussion about this topic. This is not Project Avalon, and you are free to discuss here whatever you want, so long as it's not against the Forum Rules (https://jandeane81.com/announcement.php?f=&a=1) — e.g. no pornography, no hate speech, et al.

Furthermore, you know very well why I split this discussion off into a separate thread. You were posting this stuff on the "What Motivates Bill Ryan of Project Avalon Community Forum? (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11414-What-Motivates-Bill-Ryan-of-Project-Avalon-Community-Forum)" thread, and considering your tenacity at discussing this subject there, as well as the fact that people were responding to it, you were derailing that thread. Therefore, by splitting the discussion off into a separate thread, I have brought the original thread back on topic and I have given you a space where you can indulge in this discussion.

Among other things, this is what moderators and administrators do, you know? ;)





"The Times reports that John Lewis made the decision to go neutral after consulting with the Let Clothes Be Clothes campaign group, which is lobbying to "end gender stereotyping in [the] design/marketing of childrenswear."

Let Clothes Be Clothes said on Twitter this morning that they are "absolutely thrilled" by John Lewis's announcement. Parents and commentators have also praised the retailer's decision to go gender neutral on children's clothes."

Unisex clothing has been around for decades already. There's nothing new about that. But like I said, I do see an agenda being played out, albeit that it's not being played out for the reasons you think it is. It's got nothing to do with females being the domineering gender among reptilians — which they're not, by the way — but with social disruption and thought policing.





They want to know for sure it's a pussy they'll be grabbing.

Hey, I know more than one dude who found out too late that what he was playing with was not a kitty cat. :p :ttr: :ha:





wow, ok, I would add that Robert Heinlein reveled in blurring the lines of gender and sexual orientation almost 75 years ago and just between you and I it always made me a bit squemish, but I'm not sure I would agree in the 'agenda' factor. I would tend to believe that it is a 'natural' progression of evolving social consciousness. Hollywood, as a bastion of social progressiveness, has always used itself as a forum for progressive issues.

I wouldn't call that progressive at all. It is a matter of a certain population group trying to deal with its own frustrations of not feeling "mainstream enough" by overdoing it and over-accentuating whatever it is that makes them different, without wanting to admit to themselves that it is their very difference which makes them feel "special", and "more entitled than others".

I'll give you an example, which I've already brought up a while ago on another thread. I myself am not a Holocaust denier, and I also have nothing whatsoever against Jewish people. But here in Belgium, as well as in Germany and in several other European nations, Holocaust denial is a crime — not a misdemeanor, but a crime, for which you can go to jail. Do you think that's fair? What about freedom of speech? What about freedom of thought?

Likewise, I myself have — in a similar vein — been accused of antisemitism twice in a row for daring to speak up for the Palestinians and against the policies and practices of the Israeli government. Really? Does that make me antisemitic?


:fpalm:


Consider this, Shakespeare, Michelangelo, DaVinci, Turing, even Jesus have all had their sexual orientation questioned, or even confirmed, as not 'typical'.


William Shakespeare, if he even existed, was merely an actor. All of his plays were written by other people, and most notably one Sir Francis Bacon. ;)


Michelangelo had his sexual orientation questioned, indeed, but insofar as I know, there has been no conclusive evidence in either direction.


Leonardo DaVinci's sexuality was questioned because his painting of "The Last Supper" depicts what the Roman Catholic Church has termed to be John in a rather feminine way, and with somewhat of a romantically inclined pose toward the figure of Jesus. However, DaVinci was a member of the Priory of Zion, and he wanted to contend that the Catholic Church had deliberately replaced the character of Mary Magdalene as Jesus' wife and primary apostle by a male, John, because of Peter's misogyny. Don't forget that up until only recently, the official story was that Mary Magdalene had been the prostitute saved by Jesus from being stoned to death, even though the very Bible itself never mentions said prostitute by name, and instead describes Mary Magdalene as a respectable woman from an equally respectable family, even.


Alan Turing was a homosexual, but back in those days, homosexuality was still illegal in the UK. In spite of the fact that Turing's efforts had helped the allies win World War II, Turing was convicted in court over his sexual orientation and he was sentenced to castration. I do not know whether he eventually was or wasn't castrated, but in the end he either way saw no other option but to take his own life. So much for having served his country, not to mention that everyone using a computer or computing device today is indebted to Alan Turing's genius.


Jesus' sexual orientation was questioned because he was said to have displayed love indiscriminately. However, that was the unconditional and universal agape love, not the eros type of love. And that's all based upon the scriptures and historical recounts, because there is contention as to whether Jesus ever even existed, as well as that there are recounts of at least four different people who were socially and spiritually active at the same time, and who could all be considered eligible for having been the Biblical Jesus.



;)


It is patently obvious that mystics have long 'sensed' an evil energy emanating from creation and there is no doubt that it exists.

Yes, but this evil was created as a side-effect of Creation itself, and it needs to exist as a catalyst for Creation to be able to accomplish its goal. I know, it sucks, but that's the way it is. ;)

Jengelen
27th September 2017, 10:23
The idea that the concept of loosh would be reptilian is hogwash. Hollywood tends to stigmatize reptilians in science fiction movies because reptilians look fearsome, and because the Roman Catholic Church and Judaism before it have designated the snake in the (metaphorical) Book of Genesis as Satan, the source of all evil. Christianity — as a derivative of Judaism — is still the dominant religion in the western hemisphere, and certainly in the USA. As I've said before, there's also a reason as to why virtually the whole of South America speaks Spanish and is Catholic.

Yet, if you happen to have read the Book of Job, then you will know that it was not "the Satan" — which was a title, not a proper name — who put Job through all of his misery and deprived him of all that he loved. The Satan was merely an angel who acted in the role of a prosecutor in Yahweh's court, and it was Yahweh himself who decided to ruin Job's life, so as to make his point before the Satan.

In addition to that, the Book of Job is a book from the Old Testament, and in the Old Testament, angels were not beings with an individual soul, but were rather described as emanations of Yahweh's mind and will. So any which way you turn it, the bad guy in the Abrahamic religions is not a character named Satan, but Yahweh himself. According to the scriptures, he did after all say that he's a jealous god, and the Old Testament is full of instances where Yahweh killed people or ruined their lives for not obeying him.

My strongest points of contention with your original post were that none of the people whose names I recognized from that list of celebrities you gave would be a transgender, as well as that transgenders cannot physically procreate by way of their newly assigned gender. You suggested that they could, and that's ridiculous.



Just because I did not agree with your assertions doesn't mean that The One Truth would prevent or forbid you from having a discussion about this topic. This is not Project Avalon, and you are free to discuss here whatever you want, so long as it's not against the Forum Rules (https://jandeane81.com/announcement.php?f=&a=1) — e.g. no pornography, no hate speech, et al.

Furthermore, you know very well why I split this discussion off into a separate thread. You were posting this stuff on the "What Motivates Bill Ryan of Project Avalon Community Forum? (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11414-What-Motivates-Bill-Ryan-of-Project-Avalon-Community-Forum)" thread, and considering your tenacity at discussing this subject there, as well as the fact that people were responding to it, you were derailing that thread. Therefore, by splitting the discussion off into a separate thread, I have brought the original thread back on topic and I have given you a space where you can indulge in this discussion.

Among other things, this is what moderators and administrators do, you know? ;)






Unisex clothing has been around for decades already. There's nothing new about that. But like I said, I do see an agenda being played out, albeit that it's not being played out for the reasons you think it is. It's got nothing to do with females being the domineering gender among reptilians — which they're not, by the way — but with social disruption and thought policing.






Hey, I know more than one dude who found out too late that what he was playing with was not a kitty cat. :p :ttr: :ha:






I wouldn't call that progressive at all. It is a matter of a certain population group trying to deal with its own frustrations of not feeling "mainstream enough" by overdoing it and over-accentuating whatever it is that makes them different, without wanting to admit to themselves that it is their very difference which makes them feel "special", and "more entitled than others".

I'll give you an example, which I've already brought up a while ago on another thread. I myself am not a Holocaust denier, and I also have nothing whatsoever against Jewish people. But here in Belgium, as well as in Germany and in several other European nations, Holocaust denial is a crime — not a misdemeanor, but a crime, for which you can go to jail. Do you think that's fair? What about freedom of speech? What about freedom of thought?

Likewise, I myself have — in a similar vein — been accused of antisemitism twice in a row for daring to speak up for the Palestinians and against the policies and practices of the Israeli government. Really? Does that make me antisemitic?


:fpalm:




William Shakespeare, if he even existed, was merely an actor. All of his plays were written by other people, and most notably one Sir Francis Bacon. ;)


Michelangelo had his sexual orientation questioned, indeed, but insofar as I know, there has been no conclusive evidence in either direction.


Leonardo DaVinci's sexuality was questioned because his painting of "The Last Supper" depicts what the Roman Catholic Church has termed to be John in a rather feminine way, and with somewhat of a romantically inclined pose toward the figure of Jesus. However, DaVinci was a member of the Priory of Zion, and he wanted to contend that the Catholic Church had deliberately replaced the character of Mary Magdalene as Jesus' wife and primary apostle by a male, John, because of Peter's misogyny. Don't forget that up until only recently, the official story was that Mary Magdalene had been the prostitute saved by Jesus from being stoned to death, even though the very Bible itself never mentions said prostitute by name, and instead describes Mary Magdalene as a respectable woman from an equally respectable family, even.


Alan Turing was a homosexual, but back in those days, homosexuality was still illegal in the UK. In spite of the fact that Turing's efforts had helped the allies win World War II, Turing was convicted in court over his sexual orientation and he was sentenced to castration. I do not know whether he eventually was or wasn't castrated, but in the end he either way saw no other option but to take his own life. So much for having served his country, not to mention that everyone using a computer or computing device today is indebted to Alan Turing's genius.


Jesus' sexual orientation was questioned because he was said to have displayed love indiscriminately. However, that was the unconditional and universal agape love, not the eros type of love. And that's all based upon the scriptures and historical recounts, because there is contention as to whether Jesus ever even existed, as well as that there are recounts of at least four different people who were socially and spiritually active at the same time, and who could all be considered eligible for having been the Biblical Jesus.



;)



Yes, but this evil was created as a side-effect of Creation itself, and it needs to exist as a catalyst for Creation to be able to accomplish its goal. I know, it sucks, but that's the way it is. ;)

Not everyone on the list I made is a transgender that is the idea! There are supposed to be straight ones in there mixed and you guys were to figure which was which. There are many trans in that list btw! If you don't know you don't know because you haven't researched it!! Wake up and watch some of those videos dude! Those are trans in that list and more than a few and some big surprises!! One day down the road some of those people will come out and all of you will crap yourself!

Jengelen
27th September 2017, 12:46
The first women president was "Lady O" Here we see her giving the NFL and others their first lesson on disrespecting your flag, song and country.

The first man of the white house during that stay is pictured below for your convenience. Nuff said there.

Emil El Zapato
27th September 2017, 12:59
I won't, I might find it 'dramatic' but that's the extent of it. As Dreamtimer posted, progressives don't care.

Aragorn: In terms of thought policing I can appreciate your take but between you and I, nobody polices my thoughts. I tend not to let police police me, I've paid the price for that one in the past. Authoritarians are useless in whatever guise they appear. I don't believe the 'LGBT' movement represents thought policing, just people wanting what they want. Perhaps that is a bit selfish but they deserve that given the social misunderstandings and mistreatment directed at them for centuries.


The first women president was "Lady O" Here we see her giving the NFL and others their first lesson on disrespecting your flag, song and country.

The first man of the white house during that stay is pictured below for your convenience. Nuff said there.

Oh please, spare me the flag and country nonsense. This is overt nationalism and is the greatest source of hostility known to man.

Jengelen
27th September 2017, 14:10
I won't, I might find it 'dramatic' but that's the extent of it. As Dreamtimer posted, progressives don't care.

Aragorn: In terms of thought policing I can appreciate your take but between you and I, nobody polices my thoughts. I tend not to let police police me, I've paid the price for that one in the past. Authoritarians are useless in whatever guise they appear. I don't believe the 'LGBT' movement represents thought policing, just people wanting what they want. Perhaps that is a bit selfish but they deserve that given the social misunderstandings and mistreatment directed at them for centuries.



Oh please, spare me the flag and country nonsense. This is overt nationalism and is the greatest source of hostility known to man.

I don't consider it nonsense to show respect for the man that wrote the anthem or our country by doing it proper the way every other president has in the past. Doing that should be natural and volunteered when the national anthem is played. You would think of all people that Barry would respect Francis Scott Key, the man that had his memorial written down on stone as the 'Nigger Lawyer' because he was so well known for going to the defense of black folk everywhere, even at no charge often and it was even reported at times he took food even off his own table to feed families of those that were without income when someone he tried and failed to defend was in the stockade or jail or had been whipped. When he died black folk came from all over to respect him and cried big tears and now they all kneel while America forgets he was their man. He went to bat for the blacks more often than not and the thanks he gets is a protest in his song. I found it very distasteful. Barry was a supposed constitutional scholar and he stands up there as president sometimes even talking during the song. What a real jerk he was! And people like you that justify it quite frankly make me sick!

Emil El Zapato
27th September 2017, 14:55
I'll never understand this animalistic territorial imperative. My territory begins and ends at my front and back yard.

NAP

Gio
27th September 2017, 17:11
A Freudian slip ... (https://www.google.com/search?q=freudian+slip+meaning&oq=fauedian+slip+meaning&gs_l=psy-ab.1.0.0i13k1.11838.23692.0.25460.17.16.1.0.0.0.13 6.1514.11j5.16.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..0.7.552...0i7i10i30k1j0i7i30k1j0i8i7i30k1.0.de xm2Aqyf44)

https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/170327-jared-kushner-feature.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=1328&h=882&crop=1

Jared Kushner voted as a woman (http://nypost.com/2017/09/27/jared-kushner-voted-as-a-woman/)

Emil El Zapato
27th September 2017, 18:37
they likely didn't have a box for 'reptilian'

Aragorn
27th September 2017, 19:46
Aragorn: In terms of thought policing I can appreciate your take but between you and I, nobody polices my thoughts. I tend not to let police police me, I've paid the price for that one in the past.

Well, I can understand, but it still won't stop anyone from trying to police our thoughts. I could give you tons of examples — don't even get me started on the revolting horror pictures of rotting teeth, freshly removed internal organs and all kinds of ulcerous tumors which must by law take up a third of either side of every pack of cigarettes being sold here in the EU these days — but I'll pick one that's related to the topic of this thread.

Does anyone still remember what the word "gay" originally meant to imply? If you don't, it means "merry", "cheerful", and it's an English word derived from the French word "gai", which still bears that original meaning — you know, as in "gai Paris". But somewhere along the line — at least as early as the 1970s, but it may even have been sooner — that word was given a whole new meaning by the LGBT advocates. And I do mean "advocates", as opposed to "defenders of human rights". I'll get back to that in a minute.

As I've already mentioned in one of my earlier posts on this thread, Belgium supports gay marriage, and so do Germany and the Netherlands. So why do we then still need to have an annual Belgian Pride — because that's what they call it over here — with, on a separate day, an Antwerp Pride? Last time I checked Antwerp was still a Belgian city — notwithstanding the firmly held religious belief among Antwerpians that Antwerp lies at the center of the universe. :p

Now I'm not certain, but I believe that there would be a Brussels Pride or whatever as well, and on yet another day — I'm not exactly keeping tabs, but the mainstream media definitely make sure that everyone's aware of it by pouring it into a news headline whenever any such Gay Pride parades are being organized. Don't you think that's a little over the top? And in a country which supports equal rights for those with another sexual orientation than heterosexual? And that's not even all, because there are things happening during those parades that you wouldn't even get away with as a heterosexual if you were to do that in public. :rolleyes:

And then there's the LGBT police squadron that goes out to penalize gay-bashing. Seriously? Is that something a heterosexual police officer — or for that matter, any police officer, regardless of their gender and sexual orientation — would not be able to report and penalize? Or could it not rather be that it is a kind of sting operation, just so as to be able to punish someone who might, after a few beers, have a potty mouth and utter a word like "faggot"? You know, just like those strategically positioned unmarked patrol vehicles with a speed camera attached to them, set up to catch anyone who happens to stray 1 km/h over the speed limit because they've got their eyes on the road — where they should be — rather than on their speedometer?

Now, I can understand that LGBT people would be vying for respect of their human rights, and especially in developing countries like the United States of Acronyms. (:ttr:) And seriously, I think that what happened to Alan Turing was repulsive and abominable, and that the death sentence and execution of homosexuals in Iran — as well as by Iran's enemy, ISIS, who throw homosexuals down on the street from the roof of a tall building — is scandalously horrifying. I'm sure Saudi Arabia won't be any better in that regard either — human rights don't even seem to exist at all there.

So yes, I do strongly protest and oppose the fact that LGBT people — or for that matter, any other group of people — are being deprived of their human rights, not to mention tortured and gruesomely put to death. But there's a difference between advocating human rights and advocating disrespect for what is probably the most beautiful of all Yin/Yang manifestations of Creation: the fireworks between the Divine Feminine (Yin) and the Divine Masculine (Yang).

And that is what certain groups of people — call them the Illuminati, if you will — are seeking to accomplish. Their game is the disruption of the Creative energies, and they are only using the LGBT people as a forefront. Those people themselves don't even realize that they are being used. They think they are fighting for their human rights, but they are actually being used by a group of satanic psychopaths behind the scenes in a ploy to desecrate (one of the principal forces of) Creation.


Authoritarians are useless in whatever guise they appear. I don't believe the 'LGBT' movement represents thought policing, just people wanting what they want. Perhaps that is a bit selfish but they deserve that given the social misunderstandings and mistreatment directed at them for centuries.

In hindsight, I did realize that my original wording was poorly chosen, but as I had already been quoted by other people, there was no point anymore in editing my original post. Therefore, I trust that my expounding here-above would offer sufficient clarification of my vantage on this topic. ;)

Emil El Zapato
27th September 2017, 20:34
yeah, I think I understand...

How do you feel about Amsterdam pride...Nyuk! Nyuk! Nyuk! :winner:

I'm just yanking your chain, Aragorn. I can see how it would be easy to gain your perspective. I always view 'solid opinions' as a 'model'. Representative but not always entirely accurate. And I certainly wouldn't belabor the point. I'll just keep my eyes open... :)

enjoy being
27th September 2017, 20:46
Oh my bad is this actually a serious thread? I just presumed it was an extremely ramped up spoof.

enjoy being
27th September 2017, 21:03
Seems there's plenty of badges to wear out there, make your own, choose the wording and polish the blighter till you can see your face in it. Marry your badge, and what it stands for. Let it all be about your badge and let no fool pass unaware of the message you and the badge bring. Force your badge down others throats, make them listen and make them pay when they don't meet fickle requirements of the badge. Let the rest of the world pass you by while you go about focussing on the chores of the badge. I'm picking Pink Floyd or someone said it all already before.

Aragorn
27th September 2017, 22:47
Oh my bad is this actually a serious thread? I just presumed it was an extremely ramped up spoof.

It was, until I made the magnanimous decision to inject my immaculate intellect and infallible wisdom into this thread. :rock: :victorious: :winner:




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https://renaissancelifetherapies.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Self-Confidence-Reap-The-Benefits-of-Self-Confidence1.png


Hmm.. Okay, I might be overdoing it just a tiny little bit now. :hmm: :p :ttr: :whstl:




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(In truth, those who really do know me will be able to tell you that I'm actually quite a humble man. Vocal, yes, but humble nevertheless. But then again, there are lots of people who don't know me at all and who think they do, just as there are also lots of people who are not familiar with the concept of humor. :rolleyes:)

Gio
27th September 2017, 23:41
Seems there's plenty of badges to wear out there, make your own, choose the wording and polish the blighter till you can see your face in it. Marry your badge, and what it stands for. Let it all be about your badge and let no fool pass unaware of the message you and the badge bring. Force your badge down others throats, make them listen and make them pay when they don't meet fickle requirements of the badge. Let the rest of the world pass you by while you go about focussing on the chores of the badge. I'm picking Pink Floyd or someone said it all already before.


♫ "Well, I told you that the light goes up and down ...
Don't you notice how the wheel goes 'round?
And you better pick yourself up from the ground ...
Before they pull the curtain down" ♫ …

Here's mine ...



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Badge


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FGxH50WS7Q


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enjoy being
28th September 2017, 03:44
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Nice badges bro!

pabranno
28th September 2017, 13:38
i am a 57 year old Lesbian. Been gay since birth. Aragorn, I think you have a great understanding of the situation.
We are biologically different. The Pacific Ocean example was verrry interesting.
I have never really been involved in protests and parades.
I am just being me. I always felt they were a bit too angry, a bit over the top, in your face kind of stuff.
The transgender agenda has just floored me: it happened with such RAPIDITY and is saturating society now.
That's a red flag for me. Maybe society is shifting, but there is so much energy being put into the transgender issue.
Heck, I waited my whole life to be able to take the mask off at work....
As Aragorn said, I suspect the issue is being used by darker powers for whatever end....
We obviously don't need to keep the polarity to procreate, Jengelen, as we have pretty well, "seeded the earth"
I don't know if they are trying to march us towards androgynous identiies to be swallowed up into some type of hive mind.
I don't know.
Jengelen, I believe you are correct; something is going on.
But why the emotional investment? You seem too personally agitated by this issue.
I appreciate everyone's thoughtful comments on this thread.

PS. Hello, All!

Pamela

Emil El Zapato
28th September 2017, 14:08
Ok, time for complete honesty. I think Pride parades are ridiculous. People parading around in their underwear to garner respect? That seems a little a-backwards to me but, I CAN believe that all these activities are intended to be a concerted process but why target 'evil' as the source. There is a strong current of negativity that fights any concerted processes as a plot to dominate the world. I suppose in this case to dominate the world with gayness and transgenderism, huh?! It is born of a natural reaction to uncomfortable change and propaganda, very evil propaganda has conditioned us to believe that anything that represents complete acceptance is bad.

That's nonsense! Unless, we become accepting of our fellow people we will never escape this madness called 'The Prison Planet'. This is the fundamental plot people. The very plot we all speak of, the conspiracy to separate us and we fight it tooth and nail by following the scheme. We are our own worst enemies.

I could go on for days on this notion. Historically, civilizations have been forced to their knees, not because of moral decay in all of its manifestations but because the reactionary that exists in all societies refuses to accept change. The reactionary would sooner play with swords and nuclear devices than accept change they don't like. It is the evil all wrapped up nice and neat in the package of Satan, Archons, Globalists, Nibiru, Gays, Transgenders, liberals, Islamists, Jews, illegal immigrants, and the Dutch... :)