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WantDisclosure
10th September 2017, 23:55
Because my interest in being on a forum is public, not personal, I normally would not start a thread in the members’ section.

But since the subject matter of Bill Ryan and Project Avalon, which would normally be considered a public issue, is, at this point in time, 2017, a personal, or membership/community of a forum issue, due to public statements about an individual who used to be a member of this forum, Corey Goode; I’m thinking this thread needs to be in a sub-forum that is not viewed by the public at large, because the subject matter is not public, but “private.”

I would like to state that personally, I don’t think that Bill Ryan is a paid asset or mind-controlled. I think he is simply a flawed human being, as we all are, but in his case, his personal life/autobiography has played out in public due to his association with the forum Project Avalon Community Forum, formerly known as Project Avalon, the sister site of Project Camelot, a whistleblower site. I can't defend what I think, other than to say that is what my intuition tells me. I sense that his ego was challenged by whatever happened in his interaction with Corey Goode. The ego is a powerful, often damaging, force of nature.

I think that in his heart he is on the side of humanity and not working for the powers that be.

I’m interested in why other members think what they think.

Do you disagree with me on this, and if you do, what is your rationale?

donk
11th September 2017, 01:01
Because my interest in being on a forum is public, not personal, I normally would not start a thread in the members’ section.

But since the subject matter of Bill Ryan and Project Avalon, which would normally be considered a public issue, is, at this point in time, 2017, a personal, or membership/community of a forum issue, due to public statements about an individual who used to be a member of this forum, Corey Goode; I’m thinking this thread needs to be in a sub-forum that is not viewed by the public at large, because the subject matter is not public, but “private.”

I would like to state that personally, I don’t think that Bill Ryan is a paid asset or mind-controlled. I think he is simply a flawed human being, as we all are, but in his case, his personal life/autobiography has played out in public due to his association with the forum Project Avalon Community Forum, formerly known as Project Avalon, the sister site of Project Camelot, a whistleblower site. I can't defend what I think, other than to say that is what my intuition tells me. I sense that his ego was challenged by whatever happened in his interaction with Corey Goode. The ego is a powerful, often damaging, force of nature.

I think that in his heart he is on the side of humanity and not working for the powers that be.

I’m interested in why other members think what they think.

Do you disagree with me on this, and if you do, what is your rationale?

Yeah, but he's running a cult...and possibly in denial it is a cult.

I think he honestly believes he's being responsible about CG, who HE created.

I was a huge believer and deep into it, I believed in PA, the spirit of it and Bill's supposed mission

He's not as multidimensional as he (and his followers) like to think...it's pretty narrow minded over there...his idea of what "helps" humanity is off whack to my mind

WantDisclosure
11th September 2017, 01:15
Yeah, but he's running a cult...and possibly in denial it is a cult.
I agree with you there.

And I think the reason for it is Bill Ryan's ego.

I think that it was probably a huge embarrassment for Bill Ryan when Project Camelot split up, and he was probably looking to prove himself as an investigative journalist in his own right, and when things didn't go well for him as far as Corey Goode was concerned, it was embarrassment on top of embarrassment.

Too much to bear.

Now, he's really stuck, because he's gone way out of a limb denigrating Corey publicly.

It's one thing to worry about the credibility of any whistleblower; it's quite another to smear the individual.

donk
11th September 2017, 01:23
And possibly more importantly, I think HE is the problem, not the Corey (or ALL the others) he created

It seems easier to think he was controlled or on the payroll

Go back and look at "the good work" he did on Camelot...Pete Peterson was the the "whistleblower" most people gabe the most credence too...where is that dude now?

Then look at some of the others. It doesn't seem the ones (like Barry King and agape) that seem most genuine get any play after the fact. But the Jessica whatever she called herself then and the David wilcocks


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxQLiy7AHx8

somehow get all the attention. He himself manages to dodge any scrunity. It kinda reeks


I agree with you there.

And I think the reason for it is Bill Ryan's ego.

I think that it was probably a huge embarrassment for Bill Ryan when Project Camelot split up, and he was probably looking to prove himself as an investigative journalist in his own right, and when things didn't go well for him as far as Corey Goode was concerned, it was embarrassment on top of embarrassment.

Too much to bear.

Now, he's really stuck, because he's gone way out of a limb denigrating Corey publicly.

It's one thing to worry about the credibility of any whistleblower; it's quite another to smear the individual.

Corey SHOULD be denigrated...but Bill should get HALF the responsibility for anyone weak minded enough to believe in him and support the cult of the blue avians

And Wilcock gets the othe HALF

Someone needs to go through the early PROJECT CAMELOT interviews and see where those peeps are now

Yeah, it was GROUNDBREAKING work...but to what end?

WantDisclosure
11th September 2017, 01:27
Pete Peterson was the the "whistleblower" most people gabe the most credence too...where is that dude now?
As far as I am concerned, Pete Peterson is a credible source.

I found him to be credible when I saw him on Camelot, and I still think he's credible since I saw him on Gaia recently.

I think that we have to remind ourselves that everything we think we know about science and technology should be put in a box and opposing, even bizarre, views considered. That is, if you believe there is a secret space program and advanced technologies based on alternative physics.

Aragorn
11th September 2017, 01:33
Because my interest in being on a forum is public, not personal, I normally would not start a thread in the members’ section.

But since the subject matter of Bill Ryan and Project Avalon, which would normally be considered a public issue, is, at this point in time, 2017, a personal, or membership/community of a forum issue, due to public statements about an individual who used to be a member of this forum, Corey Goode; I’m thinking this thread needs to be in a sub-forum that is not viewed by the public at large, because the subject matter is not public, but “private.”

Well, I suppose that's a matter of perspective. :hmm:

As background information, I can tell you that Corey Goode definitely burned his bridges when he left The One Truth, and over at Project Avalon, he was initially simply put in retirement, but then later on — as a direct result of the blood feud between Bill Ryan and Corey Goode — Corey's account was moved to what they call "Unsubscribed" over there, which is Avalon speak for "banned".

Now, that said, Corey Goode has most certainly made a public figure out of himself, with David Wilcock and Michael Salla currently being his greatest promoters, but with Bill Ryan certainly having had a big hand in that as well in the past — which The Man With The Hat™ probably sorely regrets by now. On the other hand, Bill Ryan himself is of course also just as public a figure. And because Señor Ryan has played a significant role in launching certain people into an "alt community" celebrity status — himself and Kerry Cassidy included — The One Truth considers it appropriate to discuss these people in public, as part of our own community investigation into what drives these people and, perhaps even more importantly, to what extent these people are to be believed in their claims.

As part of our investigation into the truth of matters, the staff of The One Truth has created a special and publicly visible forum category, called The Watchdog (https://jandeane81.com/forumdisplay.php/101-The-Watchdog), in which all members can start threads and reply to them — as you can read in this staff announcement here (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/9909-New-The-One-Truth-Initiative-The-Alt-Media-Watchdog). This forum category was also initially intended to work in parallel with a dedicated and invitation-only community group, called Watchdog Task Force (https://jandeane81.com/group.php?groupid=6) — or "WTF" for short, as an intended pun. This community group was created by the staff, but it also comprised of regular forum members — both selected and voluntary.

Alas, the Watchdog Task Force (https://jandeane81.com/group.php?groupid=6) was primarily driven by our former super moderator bsbray, whose membership of the staff of The One Truth began suffering heavily under a sudden affliction with a strongly polarized political fanaticism during the run-up to the US presidential elections of 2016 — as you can read in this staff announcement here (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/10195-The-turmoil-of-these-last-couple-of-days-the-bsbray-affair). In short, after having very unpleasantly confronted several other members — staff included — on the open forum, bsbray insisted on an immediate retirement of his account, and he even went so far as to threaten us if we didn't live up to his request. We have therefore retired his account, but with his departure from the forum, the activities of the Watchdog Task Force (https://jandeane81.com/group.php?groupid=6) basically came to a grinding halt, and then a short while later, the non-staff members who were part of that group also began leaving the group due to other commitments. As such, the public Watchdog (https://jandeane81.com/forumdisplay.php/101-The-Watchdog) subforum became the only venue still where "alt community" celebrities and their claims are being investigated.

The above all said, I would personally like to move this thread into the public Watchdog (https://jandeane81.com/forumdisplay.php/101-The-Watchdog) forum category, but if after reading all of the above you still prefer that I don't do that, then I won't. It'll work either way, but given that this thread is about the motivations of one of the bigger names within this so-called "alternative community" and that this subject keeps on popping up again on a regular basis — often without coming to a final conclusion due to certain people's adoration for El Hombre Con Sombrero™ — I personally feel that this thread should be public.

Like I said however, I'll leave the decision in your hands. I can appreciate that you would have your reasons for keeping this restricted to the members-only category. After all, that's what they do at La Casa Del Sombrero™ as well. ;)


I would like to state that personally, I don’t think that Bill Ryan is a paid asset or mind-controlled. I think he is simply a flawed human being, as we all are, but in his case, his personal life/autobiography has played out in public due to his association with the forum Project Avalon Community Forum, formerly known as Project Avalon, the sister site of Project Camelot, a whistleblower site. I can't defend what I think, other than to say that is what my intuition tells me.

Well, I'm pretty convinced that his "celebrity status" wasn't entirely unintended. He is quite a narcissist, and there is ample evidence to corroborate that.

But as to whether he would be a paid asset, my personal assessment would be "not likely". As to whether he is being controlled, I would say "very likely". As intelligent and manipulative as he may be, he does have his own woo-woo factor — he's a Scientologist, remember? — and he has in the past staunchly promoted and defended certain things which have later on been proven to be complete fabrications from fantasists. Corey Goode is just one example. Simon Parkes is another one, and people have been banned from Project Avalon over their criticisms of Simon Parkes.

In the Dutch language, we have a saying that translates to English as "If you sleep next to the dog, you'll catch its fleas." Bill Ryan has certainly been rubbing shoulders with some questionable individuals, among whom genuine insiders from black projects and other government agencies. He has cited some of them as reliable information sources.

An example of this would be the Project Camelot whistleblower "Jake Simpson", who is also one of David Wilcock's informants. "Jake Simpson"'s real name is John "Jack" Burns, and he's a member of the ASIO, the Australian counterpart to the NSA and CIA. Kerry Cassidy was sleeping with Burns after she broke up romantically with Bill Ryan, and Bill Ryan himself has recently openly distanced himself from Burns at the Avalon forum, but — and this is important — without mentioning that Jack Burns and "Jake Simpson" were one and the same person, and that many of the claims made by Bill and Kerry regarding "inside information" that they had been handed, actually came from Jack Burns. And so far, Bill Ryan has yet to denounce that material as disinformation.

So he's playing a dirty role, in my opinion. On the one hand, he has his own gullibility factor — which, admittedly, is not as bad as Kerry's — but on the other hand, he also continues to disseminate disinformation of which he himself knows that it is disinformation.

It is certainly food for thought. :hmm:


I sense that his ego was challenged by whatever happened in his interaction with Corey Goode. The ego is a powerful, often damaging, force of nature.

Oh, that one is obvious. Bill Ryan is a fully-blown narcissist, as well as a highly skilled Machiavellian. He cannot take criticism. At one point, he even attempted to get bsbray — who was on his Skype contacts list — to edit out Bill Ryan's name from posts made by The One Truth member Lord Sidious, in which the latter had espoused his then-opinion that Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy would be working for the alphabet spooks. We have this on record in the mod room.


I think that in his heart he is on the side of humanity and not working for the powers that be.

I personally think that first and foremost, Bill Ryan does what's in the best interest of Bill Ryan, and that his apparent commitment to the cause of truth-seeking is just a convenience in which he has no emotional stakes at all. But undoubtedly there is a lot that we don't know about him yet in that regard. And that's one of the traits of an experienced Machiavellian: never let anyone look into your cards.

El Sombrero™ is a master at the game. The big question is what game exactly he's playing. :ninja:

WantDisclosure
11th September 2017, 02:06
I personally feel that this thread should be public.
I have no objection to that.

Thank you for asking.


The big question is what game exactly he's playing.
Were you interested in Project Camelot at the beginning, and a member of the original Project Avalon?

donk
11th September 2017, 03:00
were you?

I wasn't

I came in when Inelia Benz was the cover girl, and like to feel like i helped encourage Simon Parkes to join

Hopefully that's just egotistical, but I'd like to take responsibility for my many mistakes

giovonni
11th September 2017, 05:08
The above all said, To borrow from a line from the play Hamlet, by William Shakespeare ...

An officer of the palace guard says this after the ghost of the dead king appears, walking over the palace walls.

Note: “Something is rotten in the state of Denmark” ...

In which is used to describe corruption or a situation in which something is wrong ...

That about sums up BR's Project Avalon ...

From my point of view.

Dreamtimer
11th September 2017, 10:02
I've said this before. I watched a few early Camelot interviews and Bill was, more than once, rude and condescending to Kerry in front of the guest and on camera. His up front 'charm' is a front, as far as I'm concerned.

Once he and Kerry stopped working together, he turned his focus on the forum. For him, it's a place to harvest people for their ideas and money. For others it seems to be a place of research and community. But their community can be broken or taken away at the whim of Bill and his moderators and it seems that's happened a few times.

People need to be discerning. Leaders, and Bill is in a kind of leadership position, have responsibility to vet what they support. I'm not confident that he does that.

WantDisclosure
11th September 2017, 10:25
I've said this before. I watched a few early Camelot interviews and Bill was, more than once, rude and condescending to Kerry in front of the guest and on camera. His up front 'charm' is a front, as far as I'm concerned.
Thank you for that; that's an observation of yours that I was not aware of, and did not notice myself years ago.

That is interesting.


Leaders, and Bill is in a kind of leadership position, have responsibility to vet what they support. I'm not confident that he does that.
I felt that way about the interview of Jane Burgermeister. I thought that there were red flags that she may have either been a paid asset or a mind-controlled one, and that due diligence before showcasing her on Camelot, by picking up the phone and speaking with those who were actually interacting with her to find out what their concerns were, was not done.

Jengelen
11th September 2017, 11:00
Ryan does what any good asset does for the central intelligence agencies when they ask him to and don't think they don't work in some benefit be it real secrets, tips, assurances about other personal issues going on behind the scenes of all the forums no one knows about and so on! Imagine going through life being watched as you progress because you have something, or you do something, or offer something someone else may need to use and they watch and they watch and they watch and when one they watch gets into the mud, figuratively speaking, and someone else has been watching just to see when they get stuck and need help so they can then offer a hand, for a price, well you get the idea!

Like a good asset the seed is planted and then the planter steps back and distances himself/herself from it for plausible deniability once the sprout takes off! We've seen it time and again, how much more do you need before you put 2+2 together to figure it out?

WantDisclosure
11th September 2017, 11:40
We've seen it time and again . . .
Can you be more specific?

Jengelen
11th September 2017, 12:16
The image of independence is just that. A mask, a disguise, a cover to conceal the truth behind it. Everyone wants to be exempt from serving the man, or being indebted to someone but everyone stumbles in life at some point and becomes needy for something. When one is needing something, even in the slightest way it is a door cracked open for those wishing to take advantage for something they themselves need. The art of how to make someone diplomatically or politically available to you even when they wish to ignore you is about as important as the art of war to these elite that operate things behind the scenes.

The individuals they wish to manipulate or use for whatever reasons may not always need themselves, but often those they love do need or have some, shall we say, 'trouble' in their life they wish would go away. If one hypothetically speaking had this serious trouble, this serious secret trouble that was persistent and wouldn't go away, a monkey on your back in some way shape of form, well this is the opportunity all those in power love!

When Bill Clinton was needing help to get out of the Oxford rape of a coed mess he became very politically and diplomatically available to the whip and was all ears eager to help them if they could help him. It's this kind of thing that makes the world go round really. Bill was likely known about before going over to Oxford. They wanted him and knew of his deviance certainly! So these powers know things about us. They know things we wish they didn't know lets be honest. Intimate as any lover they know at least everything pertinent for those in the field of their focus that they find worthy of interest, and when they see an opportunity they use it to do what we've witnessed with these things not just lately but periodically over periods of years they do this. Cory Goode is a psyop just like Simon Parkes and others before that. All these guys are involved with these spooks to some degree and the spooks have them, Ryan included who has to be very careful now because his cover is all but blown which was his main worry I'm sure! He walks on egg shells with this because he worries of the thoughts it will bring about both the past actions and whistle blowers and future ones for how he can be accepted or trusted in the future.

I don't think Bill knew entirely what these agencies are up to with these operations they are currently running but this whole thing with Disclosure and Greer, Goode, MUFON and more is now CIA and deep state all the way obviously! They took it over and it appears to me anyway that Weidner, Wilcock, and more are all wrapped up now by contracts to where they have to remain quiet as actors playing parts because someone some where has them by the short and curly hairs apparently and that would mean they likely have all of them this way so they all are very nervous because all their reps, all their futures are now in the hands of deep state! Must be scary as all get out for them to know the man has them! None of these guys can tell you what took place behind the scenes because to do so would reveal deep state involvement from the start with all the intro of these new guys out there on the circuit at MUFON now!

They have orchestrated a perfectly run coup of the encampment and from my perspective BR opened the door for them to come right in so yeah he is nervous and has every reason to be. People may not be on to him but they are certainly seeing the dark shadow that comes with him now where before it was not seen.

Aragorn
11th September 2017, 12:26
I personally feel that this thread should be public.

I have no objection to that.

Thank you for asking.

Excellent. ;) Then I will move this thread into The Watchdog, which is publicly visible. ;)



The big question is what game exactly he's playing.

Were you interested in Project Camelot at the beginning, and a member of the original Project Avalon?

I was never a member of the Project Camelot forum, simply because I was never really into forums in general up until I joined Project Avalon on 14 January 2014 — I'll get back into that a little farther down. I have however watched most of Project Camelot's videos, up to way beyond the point in time when Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy went their separate ways. At some point, I stopped watching Kerry's videos after I got disappointed with the abysmal sound quality and the incredibility of some of her witnesses, but I stayed subscribed to her YouTube channel for a long time still, so that I would still get to see a heads-up in my YouTube news feed regarding any new material she uploaded, and so that I could then decide for myself whether or not to watch it.

I was also subscribed to Bill Ryan's YouTube channel at the time, but unlike Kerry, he didn't upload a lot of material that I hadn't already seen. Most of the material he uploaded at the time were simply the same videos with subtitles translated in different languages. Then, in 2011, he uploaded a few new videos again, including the interview with "Charles" (real name: Stephen Hodges) and a short while later, the interview with Inelia Benz.

Then he went quiet again for a while — at least, in YouTube terms — until he uploaded the interview that Claudia (Karelia) did of Simon Parkes. That's when I decided to join Project Avalon, although it wasn't over the Simon Parkes material itself, per se. I found that material interesting, but what made me decide to join up was that Bill Ryan was still active, and as I had faith in him back then, I wanted to "join the cause". I had already had a couple of exchanges with Bill Ryan earlier via plain e-mail — this was when he and Kerry were still actively working together — and he had always replied to me, and cordially so. Kerry on the other hand is aloof — I've contacted her via e-mail several times to offer her clarification regarding technical matters that she was inquiring about on her blog or in her videos, but never once did she reply. You see, I hadn't used the magic word "Annunaki". :p

As to how I came to all of that material in the first place, that's a whole story in and of itself. I am somewhat of an amateur fiction writer, and I had for a long time already been brooding on a science fiction story. At some point, I intended to go through with writing that novel, and I started doing research about UFOs and conspiracies, and that's how I fell upon the Project Camelot videos, as well as the David Icke material. Something about the dynamic between Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy and the enormous amount of videos that they were putting out at the time got me hooked.

At that point in time, I too was still in that phase where you lack discernment and where you believe everything these "researchers" say. And it was all much more convoluted than the science fiction story I had intended to write, which made me contemplate that truth is, indeed, stranger than fiction. And it is, but that's a dangerous presumption, because it leads you to take people like Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy at face value, and it took me some time to realize that even among these "researchers who bring the truth out", all is not as it seems, and people have agendas — even if it's only narcissism.

Awakening to the truth is a multi-stage process, and many get stuck in one of those earlier stages. Some are also afraid to give up on their own conditioning and indoctrination — which is quite often of a religious nature. After all, there's a reason as to why the whole of South America speaks Spanish and is Catholic. :p

Now, I won't be derailing this thread by reiterating the story of how and why I got banned from Project Avalon anymore, as I've covered all of that several times already on other threads. Let's just say that I was apprised of some information that El Sombrero™ considered dangerous to his public image, and a blemish on his ego. But either way, by the time I got banned — on 18 March 2015, and by El Hombre Con Sombrero™ himself — I was already fully convinced that he is, indeed, a certifiable Machiavellian and narcissistic psychopath, both because of my own interactions with him on the Avalon forum and because of how he conducted himself in several other matters, among which the breakup with his then-wife Christine Anderson, and the obsessive and ugly way in which he went after Corey Goode once he found out that Corey had been sent a 72-page FBI file on Bill Ryan.

Bill Ryan seems warm and charming on the outside, but he is cold as ice and utterly premeditated on the inside. That, to me, was the wake-up call with regard to the validity of the material he and Kerry had been and still are putting out there. I started putting two and two together, and some things just didn't add up.

So there you have it. ;) Just my two Eurocents, as ever. ;)

WantDisclosure
11th September 2017, 13:06
I was never a member of the Project Camelot forum, simply because I was never really into forums in general up until I joined Project Avalon on 14 January 2014 — I'll get back into that a little farther down.
I'm not making an issue out of this, and I'm mentioning it only for the record.

There was Project Camelot and the original Project Avalon, which was the forum set up for viewers of Project Camelot to discuss matters of interest, one of them being "finding safe places," referencing anticipated earth changes.

But as I recall there was additionally a Project Camelot Forum separate from Project Avalon.

When Bill Ryan left Project Camelot, posting ended on Project Avalon and was archived, and a new forum started where the membership of Project Avalon had to apply and be accepted into membership.

To distinguish the old from the new, Bill Ryan's forum is called Project Avalon Community Forum.

NotAPretender
11th September 2017, 13:24
Just an opinion:

Bill Ryan is simply not as insightful as he believes himself to be. Motivations are hard to discern in particular for those that have Machiavellian leanings. Again, in my opinion, he has been taken in on a number of occasions where circumstances clearly demonstrate that an 'intuitive' would have known better. It's simple perhaps. Poor judgment. Citing the practical, "One rises to the level of their incompetence". We see this everyday in abundance.

Aragorn
11th September 2017, 13:45
I'm not making an issue out of this, and I'm mentioning it only for the record.

There was Project Camelot and the original Project Avalon, which was the forum set up for viewers of Project Camelot to discuss matters of interest, one of them being "finding safe places," referencing anticipated earth changes.

But as I recall there was additionally a Project Camelot Forum separate from Project Avalon.

When Bill Ryan left Project Camelot, posting ended on Project Avalon and was archived, and a new forum started where the membership of Project Avalon had to apply and be accepted into membership.

To distinguish the old from the new, Bill Ryan's forum is called Project Avalon Community Forum.

Well, I'm no expert on the history of Project Avalon, but as I gather, the Project Camelot website only begot its own dedicated forum once it was clear that Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy had parted ways — and they did not do so amicably at first. In fact, Christine Anderson was the one who conducted most of the mediation between Bill and Kerry, and then somewhere along the line, Bill Ryan started a romantic relationship with her and married her. Insofar as I know — I've been in touch with Christine in recent times — Bill and Christine are legally separated but not divorced yet, due to the difficulties involved with both of them now living in different countries.

Also, there was at least one and may possibly have been multiple situations going on with the original Project Avalon forum in which Bill Ryan felt that he was losing control, which then all culminated in him kicking out most of his staff — including his then-administrator Richard and his wife Céline — and rebooting the Project Avalon "franchise" with the help from Paul, one of his current administrators. Richard and Céline then went on from there to start the Nexus forum, and several other former Avalon members and staff members went on to create The Mists Of Avalon. This was also around the time that The One Truth was founded, and both Malc and 777 have been members of the original Project Avalon as well. Former The One Truth administrator Spiral is still a member there, even.

At least, the above is what has been conveyed to me by people who were there at the time, but I myself wasn't, so I can neither confirm nor deny those recounts. :hmm:

NotAPretender
11th September 2017, 13:54
Hi Aragorn

I was a member at Nexus until they more or less went away. Celine was sick for awhile...Does anyone know how she fared? Paul is a different case altogether.

Aragorn
11th September 2017, 14:35
Hi Aragorn

I was a member at Nexus until they more or less went away.

From what I've been told still fairly recently, the Nexus forum is still being maintained, even though they may be experiencing low traffic. ;)


Celine was sick for awhile...Does anyone know how she fared?

I'm afraid I have no information on that. I've never personally known Richard and Céline, and I didn't even know that Céline was ill. But perhaps Fred Steeves can fill you in on that. As I gather, he would still be registered there at present time. ;)


Paul is a different case altogether.

I take it you are talking about Paul Jackson, the administrator of Project Avalon? In that case, I don't really know much about him, other than that he's an IT guy from Texas and that he does have a mean streak about him. Paul Jackson was the guy who, by way of Avalon member Rakyht — who was an administrator at Eye-Rise for a while and who had briefly also been a moderator here at The One Truth — launched the rumor that Malc would have hacked the Project Avalon servers, and that he was at that particular point in time also hacking the Eye-Rise server, and that this was why Eye-Rise was experiencing severe technical difficulties.

However, all of that proved to be false. Malc doesn't have any hacking skills, and even though I don't know whether the Project Avalon servers were ever really hacked, the problems with the Eye-Rise server were down to the poor service they were getting from their Icelandic hosting company. The Eye-Rise forum is currently being hosted in France, and has in the meantime also become The One Truth's sister forum. Yours truly is now also one of the staff members there, and likewise, Kathy, the founder of Eye-Rise, is now also one of our staff members here. ;)

WantDisclosure
11th September 2017, 14:49
Well, I'm no expert on the history of Project Avalon, but as I gather, the Project Camelot website only begot its own dedicated forum once it was clear that Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy had parted ways — and they did not do so amicably at first.
Here is the link to the archive of the original Project Avalon, which was alive and well from August 23, 2008 to April 9, 2010, according to the information on the site: Project Avalon (http://projectavalon.net/forum/index.php).

It was on that site that I challenged Bill Ryan re. Jane Burgermeister.

NotAPretender
11th September 2017, 15:07
Rakhyt introduced Paul to the Avalon Forum...that would be a shocker to me?

Outlander
11th September 2017, 17:47
I still consider the first version of the Project Avalon forum - http://projectavalon.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=85 - as the best forum I've ever been part of.

'Serious fun' is perhaps an appropriate description of PA1.

That was until Bill Ryan put his claws into it and decided that the only way to get complete control over the forum and its members was to close it down and start PA2. That way he was able to flush out all the 'undesirables' and make a cult community of Project Avalon.

At his worst His Holiness, The Enlightened Prophet Bill Ryan is a narcissist attention seeker and a control freak who allows no opposition & has a psychotic need to be worshiped by his community.

On the other hand he does pass on a lot of information and knowledge so it would be unfair to only slag him off.

Still, he destroyed something that meant quite a lot to me for a selfish and despicable reason, so he doesn't have my sympathy.

Outlander
11th September 2017, 18:16
@ giovonni
Thanx Chief!
:chrs:

Outlander
11th September 2017, 18:53
And than there's this:
A major new interview with a Project Avalon Whistleblower (Questions for GoodETxSG)
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?66018-A-major-new-interview-with-a-Project-Avalon-Whistleblower--Questions-for-Go

At the time I read about 26 pages of this heavily (heavenly?) moderated thread about 'GoodETxSG' (Corey Goode) and there is not a single post in 26 pages that questions 'GoodETxSG' intentions.

A bit odd to see how Bill Ryan had himself fooled by Corey Goode, who didn't present a single shred of evidence then - and now, compared to his attitude towards the Corey Goode saga lately.

And if you scroll through this thread from The Mists of Avalon you'll also find some info on Bill R.
http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t6674-my-problem-with-bill-ryan-and-his-avalonians

Dumpster Diver
12th September 2017, 04:34
Link is broken, it seems.

sandy
12th September 2017, 10:46
Hi Aragorn

I was a member at Nexus until they more or less went away. Celine was sick for awhile...Does anyone know how she fared? Paul is a different case altogether.


Hi NAP,


Last I saw on the site, Celine was fairing well and quite involved with Breast Cancer Society volunteerism things. Richard started Nexus up again about 6 months ago but I did not take up the invite to return as from what I could tell things have not changed much and even Burke left the last time I checked.

Lord Sidious
12th September 2017, 11:32
Malc doesn't have any hacking skills

He does actually.
He has hacked his local chippy that often they banned him........................

As for Celine, I will let you know when I hear back from Richard.

By the way, I know you can see this, Sir Baconhat of Nuggetry, so I have a message for you, you don't fool me or many others with all your scientology doubletalk.
We know you're a narcissistic pile of dog doodoo

Lord Sidious
12th September 2017, 12:05
Ok, Richard says Celine is doing well and beat the cancer.
They are both doing well and nexus is open for business.................

http://nexusxroads.info/forum/

NotAPretender
12th September 2017, 12:29
Hi NAP,


Last I saw on the site, Celine was fairing well and quite involved with Breast Cancer Society volunteerism things. Richard started Nexus up again about 6 months ago but I did not take up the invite to return as from what I could tell things have not changed much and even Burke left the last time I checked.

Thanks Sandy, I'm glad Celine is ok...that's good news.


Ok, Richard says Celine is doing well and beat the cancer.
They are both doing well and nexus is open for business.................

http://nexusxroads.info/forum/

Very cool, I felt that she would and it really is great that she did...

NAP

Fred Steeves
12th September 2017, 12:50
and nexus is open for business.................

http://nexusxroads.info/forum/

Yeah well, technically speaking anyway. Other than that ole Nexus is dead as a f**cking door nail. Too bad really, that was the edgiest, most cutting edge forum I've ever been part of. Back in it's day anyway, but all things must pass.

Lord Sidious
12th September 2017, 12:53
Not much activity you mean?

Fred Steeves
12th September 2017, 12:56
Zip zero zilch, go check it out.

Aragorn
12th September 2017, 13:01
Malc doesn't have any hacking skills

He does actually.
He has hacked his local chippy that often they banned him........................

Ah yes, I had totally forgotten about his munching skills. But as I gather, he was doing that for Queen and Country, so he's got an excuse. ;)

For that matter, there's a rumor going round that he's been targeting McDonald's lately. Their IT staff discovered that somebody who calls himself "The One And Only Rainbow Warrior" had changed the entry on the menu for one of their products into "Chicken MalcNuggets", and that he was attempting to change the name of another product into "Big Malc". :p


:hiding:


By the way, I know you can see this, Sir Baconhat of Nuggetry [...]

Well, I've certainly noticed some interesting IP addresses looking at this thread since I've moved it into the public view, and they're not the usual webcrawler bots. ;)


:eyebrows: : Sherlock:





Ok, Richard says Celine is doing well and beat the cancer.
They are both doing well and nexus is open for business.................

http://nexusxroads.info/forum/

It is always great to hear that someone has beaten cancer. :victorious:

I wish Richard and Céline well, and I hope Céline will be able to sustain her health. ;) :thup:



:back to topic: :)

Dreamtimer
12th September 2017, 13:58
Lol, Aragorn. Big Malc.:lol::lol::lol:

Lord Sidious
12th September 2017, 15:53
Lol, Aragorn. Big Malc.:lol::lol::lol:

He wishes, but we know the truth..............

The One
12th September 2017, 17:54
He wishes, but we know the truth..............

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p526x296/21192425_1358419884256863_8276083153665103568_n.jp g?oh=76ae356695477e50d58b4b2624f99767&oe=5A134663

Still making her smile lol

Dreamtimer
12th September 2017, 18:18
Beautiful picture, Malc. Keep smiling, both of you.:)

Dumpster Diver
12th September 2017, 22:29
I'll repost my original post from the "BR's disclosure on CG" Thread as it is still very relevant:

Keeping up with the “Corydashians”

I’ve worked with the “dark side” of the military, i.e. black projects. No, I’m not MILAB (to my knowledge), and because of that work I’ve noticed a few unusual things about the latest offensive by Bill Ryan.

Firstly, he makes the argument that all whistleblowers get slapped down eventually and the fact that CG is still around makes him likely a controlled asset.

Seems like a great argument on its face, but that’s not the way warfare works (and this is a war we are engaged in, an information war). The military typically attempts to negate an enemy by, in the air, taking out the airfields rather than attacking each aircraft. Tanks? Take out the factory, rather than each individual tank. Troops coming into a battle zone? Take out the troop ship, rather than each individual soldier on the field. The pattern is: look for the nexus and block it.

The analogy in the information world is: take out the information conduit, and then each whistleblower can’t reach the public. In this instance, Project Camelot was the conduit. Why are they still functioning and for so long with so many informative whistleblowers? Using this argument, Project Camelot and the Avalon forum are most likely controlled assets or “controlled opposition” using the current terminology. So this whole CG must be a controlled asset is a BS argument especially considering BR’s background and certainly the importance of Project Camelot in the past must be examined in such a light.

Next, there is a “blamestorm” of folks coming out against CG. BR, Dolan, Fitts, Dark Journalist, and others. This is after the Greer thing last year. Concerted efforts like this look very contrived and we certainly did such in our military’s misinformation campaigns. With all the negativity pointed at CG and DW, folks just start thinking “where there is smoke, there must be fire”.

So, I think BR’s real objective is David Wilcock. Think about it. In the eyes of most folks, discredit CG and the mud splashes on DW since the two share a long running Gaia TV program and seem to be buddies.

As for Wilcock, he is providing extremely interesting and VERIFIABLE information on his program Wisdom Teachings and in his books. Information about structure of the cosmos, issues with Redshift (extremely important), physics, i.e. science as we know it. Yes, he has allied himself with CG, but what are the real facts in CG’s story? Not much. But It’s a great, entertaining Sci-Fi story! It is a fun, alt-world “Keeping up with the Kardashians” story line.

So, at the end of the day, if CG is totally discredited what have we lost? In my eyes, not much. A great SF story is about it. Do I think CG is controlled opposition? I have him at about 30%. This means I think about 70% of info coming from him is good, but much of his rating is feeding from his agreement with DW, but he is dropping due to other information coming out. DW is much better, I have him at approx. 85% and much of his rating is due to his research.

Is BR controlled opposition? I have him as rated as about a 55% chance, but that number is now rising again. That means I see about 45% of the information is good. Still slightly worthwhile. But it is worthwhile to note that 50% is a coin flip, i.e. informationally worthless.

Remember in this world of disinformation, NOBODY is 100% right or 100% wrong, but both of these types of folks would be the most useful informationally, i.e. 100% wrong is good since you can just invert everything they are saying, somewhat like the Main Stream Media. What are they pushing? Likely the opposite is true. But remember, even if someone is being truthful they can be factually wrong. Therefore, everyone who has some information is providing some element of truth and falsehood. Use your discernment (I use math and logic) to puzzle thru the blizzard of info.

still later in that thread:

AND this is EXACTLY what I think is going with Bill Ryan. He (probably) doesn't know he's being controlled. The best slaves think they are doing good.

I further went on somewhere else in this forum with the idea that Project Camelot and later the Koolaid-Kult at Avalon are honeypots to snare MILABs and other "ne'er-do-wells" from the Deep State perspective.

...going further, BR has accomplished what his leash-holders wanted: A divided up alt-world community at war with ourselves over "stupid sh!t" instead of uniting on common points.

giovonni
13th September 2017, 00:13
Project Camelot and later the Koolaid-Kult at Avalon are honeypots to snare MILABs and other "ne'er-do-wells" from the Deep State perspective.

...going further, BR has accomplished what his leash-holders wanted: A divided up alt-world community at war with ourselves over "stupid sh!t" instead of uniting on common points.

Pretty much.

Myst
14th September 2017, 11:14
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NotAPretender
14th September 2017, 14:04
Hi Myst,

I think the Catholic Church gets a bad rap in some cases. I was heavily indoctrinated as a youth but it didn't take in the fashion they would have preferred. The dichotomy between the spiritual and the practice were stark and much too much obvious. I kept the spirituality and separated out the dogmatism and personal failures of its representatives.

Dumpster Diver
14th September 2017, 15:34
Malc = cult leader? Are we in Club Malc? :hilarious:

...or how about Darth Malc and his evil henchman Aragorn? They always come in twos in Star Wars...

Outlander
14th September 2017, 16:30
I still consider the first version of the Project Avalon forum - http://projectavalon.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=85 - as the best forum I've ever been part of.

'Serious fun' is perhaps an appropriate description of PA1.

That was until Bill Ryan put his claws into it and decided that the only way to get complete control over the forum and its members was to close it down and start PA2. That way he was able to flush out all the 'undesirables' and make a cult community of Project Avalon.

At his worst His Holiness, The Enlightened Prophet Bill Ryan is a narcissist attention seeker and a control freak who allows no opposition & has a psychotic need to be worshiped by his community.

On the other hand he does pass on a lot of information and knowledge so it would be unfair to only slag him off.

Still, he destroyed something that meant quite a lot to me for a selfish and despicable reason, so he doesn't have my sympathy.

As a matter of fact Kerry and Bill hardly ever hung out on the original PA forum and the atmosphere on PA1 was really harmonious - even mods like the notorious Richard were quite relaxed.

It was very much a 'dolphin'-forum, where no one had to be afraid to be thrown off for saying what was on his or her mind.

The new Project Avalon is a 'shark'-forum where you can be banned from, just because you're not in alignment with the the opinion of Bill & his mods, no matter how much you have contributed.

What motivates Bill Ryan?

Money, power and complete control over his flock.
:priest:

Aragorn
14th September 2017, 19:17
...or how about Darth Malc and his evil henchman Aragorn?

Oh, there are quite a few people on this forum in this day and age who absolutely consider me evil , I can tell you that much. :whstl:

The tale of the splinter and the beam, I'm afraid... ;) :tea:




I did at one time — in the past decade — use the name Lucifer as one of my nicknames when I was still running that IRC network with a bunch of other people, but that was actually to scare off the scr1pt k1dd13s who were trying to DDoS us with flood/clone bots. If you are on IRC and your connection is severed or banned by an IRCop or a server/network admin, then it says so in your status console, and so in their case, it would say something like "You were banned from this network by Lucifer [~lucifer@netadmin.chatfactory.net]. (Reason: You're a lame idiot and your mommy wants her computer back.)" :p

Outlander
14th September 2017, 19:34
Oh, there are quite a few people on this forum in this day and age who absolutely consider me evil , I can tell you that much. :whstl:

The tale of the splinter and the beam, I'm afraid... ;) :tea:




I did at one time — in the past decade — use the name Lucifer as one of my nicknames when I was still running that IRC network with a bunch of other people, but that was actually to scare off the scr1pt k1dd13s who were trying to DDoS us with flood/clone bots. If you are on IRC and your connection is severed or banned by an IRCop or a server/network admin, then it says so in your status console, and so in their case, it would say something like "You were banned from this network by Lucifer [~lucifer@netadmin.chatfactory.net]. (Reason: You're a lame idiot and your mommy wants her computer back.)" :p
Brian Eno & David Byrne - The Jezebel Spirit
"Out Jezebel, out"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5LhnBKCgU8

Dumpster Diver
14th September 2017, 21:47
Oh, there are quite a few people on this forum in this day and age who absolutely consider me evil , I can tell you that much. :whstl:

The tale of the splinter and the beam, I'm afraid... ;) :tea:




I did at one time — in the past decade — use the name Lucifer as one of my nicknames when I was still running that IRC network with a bunch of other people, but that was actually to scare off the scr1pt k1dd13s who were trying to DDoS us with flood/clone bots. If you are on IRC and your connection is severed or banned by an IRCop or a server/network admin, then it says so in your status console, and so in their case, it would say something like "You were banned from this network by Lucifer [~lucifer@netadmin.chatfactory.net]. (Reason: You're a lame idiot and your mommy wants her computer back.)" :p

Ok, necessary evil or...the lesser of two evils?

Aragorn
14th September 2017, 21:55
Oh, there are quite a few people on this forum in this day and age who absolutely consider me evil , I can tell you that much. :whstl:

The tale of the splinter and the beam, I'm afraid... ;) :tea:




I did at one time — in the past decade — use the name Lucifer as one of my nicknames when I was still running that IRC network with a bunch of other people, but that was actually to scare off the scr1pt k1dd13s who were trying to DDoS us with flood/clone bots. If you are on IRC and your connection is severed or banned by an IRCop or a server/network admin, then it says so in your status console, and so in their case, it would say something like "You were banned from this network by Lucifer [~lucifer@netadmin.chatfactory.net]. (Reason: You're a lame idiot and your mommy wants her computer back.)" :p

Ok, necessary evil or...the lesser of two evils?

Well... what do you think (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php?p=841978641&page=75#post841978641)? :eyebrows: :ttr:

Dumpster Diver
14th September 2017, 23:54
Well... what do you think (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php?p=841978641&page=75#post841978641)? :eyebrows: :ttr:

I'm going for both, these are not mutually exclusive.

Dreamtimer
15th September 2017, 00:02
I gotta say, Aragorn's not evil, and neither are you Dark Knight Dumpy. I know you've done your share of stuff, whatever that is, but I don't think you're currently evil. Or lesser.;)

Dumpster Diver
15th September 2017, 02:20
I gotta say, Aragorn's not evil, and neither are you Dark Knight Dumpy. I know you've done your share of stuff, whatever that is, but I don't think you're currently evil. Or lesser.;)

It's all relative, BR ruins lives, Aragorn ruins electrons. I, on the other hand, do everything to make my GF's life a delight.:smiley-dance013:

Dreamtimer
15th September 2017, 02:42
Aragorn ruins electrons? :scrhd:

Makin' your GF happy is (hopefully) a good thing. My husband recently reminded himself, and me, of that.;)

Aianawa
15th September 2017, 03:33
Mmmmm confused, unhappy GF can be a good thing ?

Outlander
15th September 2017, 03:50
Brian Eno & David Byrne - The Jezebel Spirit
"Out Jezebel, out"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5LhnBKCgU8


NB: The recorded voice samples of a priest(?) performing an exorcism are 100% authentic.

Dreamtimer
15th September 2017, 04:08
I only meant to not be absolute. In other words, I had two brother-in-laws who had the policy, "She's the boss. Whatever she wants." It did't work out well in either case. It must be said that both women were irrational, unpredictable, and often unkind. Going along with whatever they wanted didn't help. Both men suffered.

Basically, make sure you're really making her happy, and make sure she's not walking all over you.

Fred Steeves
15th September 2017, 09:37
Thank you "Dear Abby", great advice as always :D

Dreamtimer
15th September 2017, 11:53
Oh dear...

(I can't imagine actually writing an advice column. What a responsibility.)

Elen
15th September 2017, 14:07
Oh dear...

(I can't imagine actually writing an advice column. What a responsibility.)

That comment makes you qualify for the task. :p

giovonni
15th September 2017, 14:53
What motivates https://www.matrixwissen.de/images/stories/article-pix/face-pics/p/00142q.jpg
Keeping his hat over your eyes !

Elen
15th September 2017, 15:44
https://i.ebayimg.com/thumbs/images/m/mlB4CX7nPOKIRF66jk2qOFA/s-l225.jpg

£24.95 on e-bay...

Aragorn
15th September 2017, 15:57
It's all relative, BR ruins lives, Aragorn ruins electrons.

I object to that! :cracky: All of my internet activity has been specifically designed and carefully tested under laboratory conditions to respect the well-being of electrons!




Disclaimer: No electrons were harmed during the creation of this message, but a few of them may have been rearranged.






:back to topic: :whstl:

giovonni
15th September 2017, 16:03
Hear Hear ...


What motivates https://www.matrixwissen.de/images/stories/article-pix/face-pics/p/00142q.jpg
Keeping his hat over your eyes !

giovonni
15th September 2017, 17:47
In furthering this BR motivational agenda ...

BR has often used his minion staffs (over the years) as complicit tool participants -
when evoking his agenda upon the PA forum and its overall membership ...

This behavioral action pattern has clearly demonstrated (to me) a kind of mimicking
of the supposed top - down team/management ruse of the Church of Scientology ...

In which BR himself has publicly acknowledge his belief in as a Scientologist himself ...
And from my observations those teachings appear to still be influencing how he
manipulates 'His forum's' operational rule even to this day.

Just a closing notation ...


L. Ron Hubbard, wrote in his dictionary entitled Modern Management Technology Defined...
that 'truth is what is true for you.' Thus, with the founder's blessings they could wantonly
commit perjury as long as it was in the interest of Scientology.

Source (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_controversies#.22Attack_the_Attacker.2 2_policy)

Dumpster Diver
15th September 2017, 20:03
The Scientology aspect alone should warn folks to keep a wide berth from Darth Hatman.

Aragorn
15th September 2017, 20:37
The Scientology aspect alone should warn folks to keep a wide berth from Darth Hatman.

Yeah, but he nicely skirts around that by stating that he's a member of Ron's Org — one of the Free Zone Scientology organizations — and that he's not a member of the Church of Scientology, priding himself even that he's on their official list of enemies.

People are less familiar with Free Zone Scientology, while what they are most familiar with regarding the Church of Scientology itself is said organization's record of criminal activities — for which it has been outlawed in Europe.

So it's these criminal activities which are deemed by the majority of the people as being the deplorable aspect of Scientology, and not the pseudo-religion itself. Ergo, with Ron's Org being an unknown to most people, they won't immediately want to take El Sombrero™ to task over it. Some have tried, but we've all seen how that ends. Just ask donk. ;)

Dreamtimer
15th September 2017, 20:40
You are not of the body!
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/1ne1renijZ8/hqdefault.jpg

Aragorn
15th September 2017, 21:30
You are not of the body!
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/1ne1renijZ8/hqdefault.jpg

Somehow the above makes me want to write something sarcastic with regard to the events here at the forum in the last 48 hours, but I think that one such shit storm was enough for the month of September, so I'll restrain myself. :p


:whstl:

Outlander
15th September 2017, 23:43
In furthering this BR motivational agenda ...

BR has often used his minion staffs (over the years) as complicit tool participants -
when evoking his agenda upon the PA forum and its overall membership ...

This behavioral action pattern has clearly demonstrated (to me) a kind of mimicking
of the supposed top - down team/management ruse of the Church of Scientology ...

In which BR himself has publicly acknowledge his belief in as a Scientologist himself ...
And from my observations those teachings appear to still be influencing how he
manipulates 'His forum's' operational rule even to this day.

Just a closing notation ...

Indeed, The Church of Ryantology

donk
16th September 2017, 03:59
The analogy in the information world is: take out the information conduit, and then each whistleblower can’t reach the public. In this instance, Project Camelot was the conduit. Why are they still functioning and for so long with so many informative whistleblowers? Using this argument, Project Camelot and the Avalon forum are most likely controlled assets or “controlled opposition” using the current terminology. So this whole CG must be a controlled asset is a BS argument especially considering BR’s background and certainly the importance of Project Camelot in the past must be examined in such a light.

Sorry...I have only gotten this far.

You say PC has brought forward "so many informative whistleblowers"...who, exactly?

Until relatively recently, Pete Peterson was the crowd fave....before that, Wilcock was almost "above" anyone else on there.

The only one I can think of who brought lasting value was George Greene, maybe because I haven't heard from him in years and he's distanced himself from the scene


As for Wilcock, he is providing extremely interesting and VERIFIABLE information on his program Wisdom Teachings and in his books. Information about structure of the cosmos, issues with Redshift (extremely important), physics, i.e. science as we know it. Yes, he has allied himself with CG, but what are the real facts in CG’s story? Not much. But It’s a great, entertaining Sci-Fi story! It is a fun, alt-world “Keeping up with the Kardashians” story line.

Oh christ, my bad...I should have read on before posting

Why aren't you on divine cosmos, dumpster fire?


So, at the end of the day, if CG is totally discredited what have we lost? In my eyes, not much. A great SF story is about it. Do I think CG is controlled opposition? I have him at about 30%. This means I think about 70% of info coming from him is good, but much of his rating is feeding from his agreement with DW, but he is dropping due to other information coming out. DW is much better, I have him at approx. 85% and much of his rating is due to his research.

Are you a sock puppet of ol Sammy boy? 96.66% of statistics are made up by the people who spout them


...going further, BR has accomplished what his leash-holders wanted: A divided up alt-world community at war with ourselves over "stupid sh!t" instead of uniting on common points.

Bullshit, he brought up most of the shit you think is not stupid...but i think kind of is. It's hypocritical of him to act like the beacon of light on the situation he created as much (or more) than anybody else

Dumpster Diver
16th September 2017, 04:04
Why aren't you on divine cosmos, dumpster fire?

Are you a sock puppet of ol Sammy boy? 96.66% of statistics are made up by the people who spout them

Probably because they haven't offered me anything. Dolan took the money and now has a show. He still is the highest rated guy in my scheme. Yes, higher than even DW who "loses points" hanging with CG and now Peterson. The numbs are fickle.

As for making up numbs, yup, I confess, I make 'em up. What else do math guys do? Everything is subjective...really.

donk
16th September 2017, 04:14
So it's these criminal activities which are deemed by the majority of the people as being the deplorable aspect of Scientology, and not the pseudo-religion itself. Ergo, with Ron's Org being an unknown to most people, they won't immediately want to take El Sombrero™ to task over it. Some have tried, but we've all seen how that ends. Just ask donk.

Ya, people forget that even that FREEZONE stuff is basing your reality on the writings and speeches and projections of the man who Joe Rogan likes to point out has published the most fiction of all time (by a friggin lot)...focusing your energy on his "technology" makes it so that LRon the ultimate TOOL for learning "discernment"

To get back on topic, there is certainly plenty of documentation and even an experiment you can try to prove one motivation of BR: he actively protects the uninitiated from the harm the OTIII can cause them

Dumpster Diver
16th September 2017, 04:23
Sounds like with approx $17k and a bit of study time I can get to be OT III.

...maybe when I get the house done I'll see what cash is left...

donk
16th September 2017, 04:29
OH SHIT...Ryantology....good one!! The religion of the Avalonian

I admit it. I was once a Ryantologist. If any of you current Ryantologists need someone to talk to, I'll try to be here for you. You don't have to live like that...

Damn outlander, I'm kicking myself for not coming up with that one

:hilarious:

giovonni
16th September 2017, 06:07
Hear Hear ...


In furthering this BR motivational agenda ...

BR has often used his minion staffs (over the years) as complicit tool participants -
when evoking his agenda upon the PA forum and its overall membership ...

This behavioral action pattern has clearly demonstrated (to me) a kind of mimicking
of the supposed top - down team/management ruse of the Church of Scientology ...

In which BR himself has publicly acknowledge his belief in as a Scientologist himself ...
And from my observations those teachings appear to still be influencing how he
manipulates 'His forum's' operational rule even to this day.

Just a closing notation ...


Indeed, The Church of Ryantology

Yes ...

The place (Avalon Forum) where BR and his Crew can smugly denounce and dictate
what BR and his (so called) expert friends can stamp what's valid (truth) or not ...

Always remembering all along - BR (and his crew) pushed the likes of Charles, Simon,
Corey, Shane, etc etc ...

Having to even chide myself for not calling him out long before i stop posting at PA2 ...

Now quite deservedly qualifying to be called ~ Project Ryantology ... :holysheep:

Fred Steeves
16th September 2017, 09:58
The place (Avalon Forum) where BR and his Crew can smugly denounce and dictate
what BR and his (so called) expert friends can stamp what's valid (truth) or not ...

You mean like this? Using mountains of indisputable evidence? :rolleyes:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?99679-The-Truth-about-Pete-Peterson-David-Wilcock-the-foreclosure-the-dead-cats-and-GoFundMe&p=1179322&highlight=#post1179322

giovonni
16th September 2017, 14:05
Hear Hear ...


In furthering this BR motivational agenda ...

BR has often used his minion staffs (over the years) as complicit tool participants -
when evoking his agenda upon the PA forum and its overall membership ...

This behavioral action pattern has clearly demonstrated (to me) a kind of mimicking
of the supposed top - down team/management ruse of the Church of Scientology ...

In which BR himself has publicly acknowledge his belief in as a Scientologist himself ...
And from my observations those teachings appear to still be influencing how he
manipulates 'His forum's' operational rule even to this day.

Just a closing notation ...


Indeed, The Church of Ryantology

Yes ...

The place (Avalon Forum) where BR and his Crew can smugly denounce and dictate
what BR and his (so called) expert friends can stamp what's valid (truth) or not ...

Always remembering all along - BR (and his crew) pushed the likes of Charles, Simon,
Corey, Shane, etc etc ...

Having to even chide myself for not calling him out long before i stop posting at PA2 ...

Now quite deservedly qualifying to be called ~ Project Ryantology ... :holysheep:




You mean like this? Using mountains of indisputable evidence? :rolleyes:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?99679-The-Truth-about-Pete-Peterson-David-Wilcock-the-foreclosure-the-dead-cats-and-GoFundMe&p=1179322&highlight=#post1179322

Precisely ...

Whatever he so chooses to deem as truthful .

donk
16th September 2017, 14:52
C'mon, Gio...don't ya know he's out there saving the world?? Just ask Sammy:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode&p=1180079&viewfull=1#post1180079

I was thinking about why I come and endlessly add my perception of what I see...ie b!tch about what Bill's doing...hooked on reading the endless hypocritical rants and outrage and analyzing "pieces of evidence" in a "scientific/reasonable/logical" way.

I totally recognize I do the same exact thing...except my "evidence" is the dumb shit people post for all to see. I don't need to prove anyone's a liar or hypocrite or scammer, I guess I just enjoy speculating on Bill's (and PAs) motives (and dynamics), which if you can't see by now is ever bit as culty as any other cult.

Cuz like you point out gio, the thing that is special about it is that just about every crazy cracker they are analyzing now, their first public appearance was with him. And the ones that didn't are kids trying to be like he was in the "groundbreaking" Camelot videos days. This comment kills me, who's this guy AlZen talking about:



Seems to me all the conmen, crazies, and disinfo agents out there has an open mike over at this Jimmy Church fellow. A few may be by mistake and poor judgement, but at some point it becomes a pattern. Just an observation, I'm not that familiar with Church.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?99679-The-Truth-about-Pete-Peterson-David-Wilcock-the-foreclosure-the-dead-cats-and-GoFundMe&p=1179840&viewfull=1#post1179840

Seems to me if more people (us) replaced Church with Ryan earlier in his "pattern" he wouldn't have the attention (or numbers) to be projecting the responsibilities he never owned on to these new peeps everyone's so worried about.

They are so outraged with the state of the "community"...because some are finally noticing that it is stuck in the same loops it's always been. Everyone loves talking about their perspective on the (OBVIOUS) surface issues and blow each other about helpful they are being, no one wants to look a little deeper at how it keeps happening, or point the finger at the established authorities that maintain it.

giovonni
16th September 2017, 15:22
Exactly Donk ...

Though for now, i will give my Al Zen (of Forum Borealis) and Walter Bosley a pass ...
I sense they are late to the fair, but will eventually see the light and go home.

PA2's numbers are way down and the writing is all over its forum's dying board.

BR might have to find another ways and means to his dwindling ego/income.

NotAPretender
16th September 2017, 15:36
lol...pretty strong opinions regarding 'el Hombre'. I feel used now... He personally let me back into PA and I thought that it was interesting after trying several times and likely having been stopped by 'the other story'...Paul.

My motivation was a particularly vexing individual, the comments made my stomach churn and I felt compelled to respond...if not attack (my shadow self?), it wouldn't have been the first time that drive had gotten me into trouble. Jung would suggest that it was the conflicting needs of a not fully integrated ego which he terms the archipelago of luminations buried within the typical psyche. :)

That is why I considered Aragorn's comment about Bill getting it together 'interesting'. I figured if he let me in, things must be changing somehow. Of course, I made some grandiose claims about myself to which he most certainly would have applied his own interpretation...(yes, I can be a little sneaky sometimes...I hate myself), but, since it is very true about the talk of dwindling traffic, which I commented on incidentally, that might have been the ultimate decider.
:holysheep:damn, I'm not as special as I thought... just kidding, of course, I try not to fall for that particular brand of self-aggrandisement. :rolleyes:

Lord Sidious
16th September 2017, 16:01
You know it's a cult when you see how they behave.
Some of you may remember the first time I called him out over bullsh!t that he typed about Australia and the aborigines.
He lied and twisted and gaslighted, but couldn't prove me wrong.
I posted for 36 hours straight with a huge chunk of the active forum on my case because I called out their knight, Sir Baconhat of Nuggetry.
However, a lot of people saw what was happening too................

NotAPretender
16th September 2017, 16:12
Curious about Australian aborigines?

Outlander
16th September 2017, 17:35
Exactly Donk ...

Though for now, i will give my Al Zen (of Forum Borealis) and Walter Bosley a pass ...
I sense they are late to the fair, but will eventually see the light and go home.

PA2's numbers are way down and the writing is all over its forum's dying board.

BR might have to find another ways and means to his dwindling ego/income.

He's desperately in need for a new super-whistleblower that's for sure.

An improved version of Dan Burisch (Dan Rubisch) would be ideal.

btw, remember the hype that BR might be a descendant/reincarnation of King Arthur? :whstl:

Coming to think of it there has been so much utter nonsense and bs promoted by BR, that by now all the available alarm bells should start ringing when whistleblowers/revelations are presented by Bill (and/or Kerry).

It seems to me that the overall quite intelligent members of PA2 are struck by a kind of Alzheimer disease when one is reminded of BR's deceit record.

During the PA1-PA2 transition I came to the conclusion that BR is a character not ever to be trusted again and I keep that in mind whenever he does something that has my sympathy.

In life it's important to take a stand and when that means you're gonna miss out on something you enjoy, so be it.

Dreamtimer
17th September 2017, 00:10
You made me think of GOT, Outlander.

Tyron Lannister said to the Captain of the Guards, "You're a fool if you think my sister is your friend".

enjoy being
17th September 2017, 00:35
Its been going on for longer than anyone named BR. I find the fascination with all these people quite amusing when it comes down to it.
Sadly amusing at the way in which humans collect idols or place people in reverence. Whatever the code, be it sports, politics, music, or alt media. It is plain hilarious how folk are fairly spineless with no real sense of self. "Oh my idol, I wanna be, act, look like them, I want to write them letters to say how much I adore them." It is completely pathetic in my view. I appreciated ideas and words from people. But everyone poos and wees and snorts and farts and makes mistakes. No one is perfect or has all the answers. It is fascinating to see how invested people become in their causes and those related to the cause.
In this way, I don't usually have a lot of sympathy for people who have the wool pulled over their eyes. I would point to it being a two way street, and many are willing participants in the varying slides from truth or whatever it is meant to be called. Desperation from damaged or confused souls, looking for answers which they are incapable of fully grasping anyway.
What is ones own motivation? Surely that is the one which has the greatest effect over ones experience.
Yet further down the track after these types have had a good go at tweaking their own nipples while philosophizing online, they feel safe and heroic themselves, and will defend their communal castle made of cards, and lend each other support in firming up the illusion of being on some form of path which will eventuate in their self created fog being cleared.
I have always liked Donk's signature to posts. What is the purpose of your presence. Something everyone should be aware of and meter their responses to, why am I replying? why am I feeling dis/agreement? etc.

Dumpster Diver
17th September 2017, 00:50
Its been going on for longer than anyone named BR. I find the fascination with all these people quite amusing when it comes down to it.
Sadly amusing at the way in which humans collect idols or place people in reverence. Whatever the code, be it sports, politics, music, or alt media. It is plain hilarious how folk are fairly spineless with no real sense of self. "Oh my idol, I wanna be, act, look like them, I want to write them letters to say how much I adore them." It is completely pathetic in my view. I appreciated ideas and words from people. But everyone poos and wees and snorts and farts and makes mistakes. No one is perfect or has all the answers. It is fascinating to see how invested people become in their causes and those related to the cause.
In this way, I don't usually have a lot of sympathy for people who have the wool pulled over their eyes. I would point to it being a two way street, and many are willing participants in the varying slides from truth or whatever it is meant to be called. Desperation from damaged or confused souls, looking for answers which they are incapable of fully grasping anyway.
What is ones own motivation? Surely that is the one which has the greatest effect over ones experience.
Yet further down the track after these types have had a good go at tweaking their own nipples while philosophizing online, they feel safe and heroic themselves, and will defend their communal castle made of cards, and lend each other support in firming up the illusion of being on some form of path which will eventuate in their self created fog being cleared.
I have always liked Donk's signature to posts. What is the purpose of your presence. Something everyone should be aware of and meter their responses to, why am I replying? why am I feeling dis/agreement? etc.

Must be why I'm so out of step with everyone, I've no freaking heroes. Worked with a lot of high level people, some with powerful gifts, but oft times could see their feet of clay.

All started at the age of 8, in Sunday School talking about the Book of Job. I remember thinking, this God playing dice with Satan over Job's life is NOT my God.

enjoy being
17th September 2017, 00:59
I really don't understand it either, DD. As an artist, I completely understand appreciating another's "work" and finding out what of it, is that which creates such a response, in order to understand how ones own triggers work or such. But committing to another as being the be all and faultless end-all is akin to giving up within yourself. If I loved the works and messages of others so much that I stopped contributing anything of worth of my own, then what is the purpose of my presence, anywhere.

Dumpster Diver
17th September 2017, 01:16
I really don't understand it, DD. As an artist, I completely understand appreciating another's "work" and finding out what of it, is that which creates such a response, in order to understand how ones own triggers work or such. But committing to another as being the be all and faultless end-all is akin to giving up within yourself. If I loved the works and messages of others so much that I stopped contributing anything of worth of my own, then what is the purpose of my presence, anywhere.

In art, my appreciation of another's work extends to: could I have done what he/she did? I collect Dutch maritime paintings. Many, of even lesser artists, I could not have made; the color of the water, the mood of the work was/is beyond me. The reason I dislike much "modern art" is most of it, I can do. Writing is the same, as a writer, I find much that is something I can do.

In politics, much of that I could do or could have done when younger, is what I see being accomplished, therefore not that impressive.

Perhaps so much has been corrupted by the Deep State. That certainly explains much of my disappointment with "the system" over the years even before I got to understand some of the secrets these last 4 years...

...or maybe my standards are too high. I should have learned to like the jealous, blood-thirsty God like everyone else.

enjoy being
17th September 2017, 01:50
Art or the process to me is an abstract handbook to life. It will be hard to describe that in a few short sentences, but I'll try. I see most people as artists. What they do, that they focus on and get joy from and strive to refine its craft, is art. The dialogue an artist has with their chosen medium has some very strong parallels with aiming for a 'perfect life'. The psychology of making and creating and nurturing ones attitude and inspiration, for life, is roadmapped in an abstracted way, through artistic practice.

But yes, along the way there are artists who really just like the label and have run from the hard work and have ended up limited.
Figurative art is like maths, there is really only one answer, in that, it either looks like what it is meant to, or it doesn't. Where-as abstract art is something one can just say is right or was intended. Both present challenges, the later challenging those who do it, to not hide behind excuses. IMO, in the art sense, it has many many failures, for there are not enough boundaries. I work in both styles, photorealism to abstraction. I concentrated on figurative and realist painting while at art school, because it was solid, and I figured spending valuable time which might be the only full time period in my life.. painting blobs and splatters, wasn't going to help me learn. It is easier to be hard on yourself when there is something to measure it against. From it, I find that abstraction is the hardest to make, for me, maybe because it never really is fully abstract, so becomes something surreal and boundaryless. making my find wander through mazes of possibilities and often getting lost. Luckily I earn a living using my collective skills, without having to sell paintings. Well I think luckily, it keeps it more personal as an ongoing investigation not needing to be packaged for others.

That said, and noting how it is straying from topic, it is this sort of analysis that I mean by everyone having an artistic practice. I recognise it in most pastimes. Inclined to think to myself of others, "So this is what they are doing with their internal dialogue".
Not wow they are so amazing an clever or wow they give so much, or wow they talk so much sense.. just, so this is how they have chosen to use the tools which we all have. I wonder how their life of success and failure has shaped them.
I hope this sort of makes sense. :-O

Fred Steeves
17th September 2017, 13:55
Though for now, i will give my Al Zen (of Forum Borealis) and Walter Bosley a pass ...
I sense they are late to the fair, but will eventually see the light and go home.

Walter Bosley, yes I remember him from the documentary "Mirage Men", which essentially exposes Bill's old buddy Richard Doty from the Project Serpo days (2005-06), as the notorious disinfo agent that he is. Researcher, private investigator, a career in Intelligence, can sniff deception a mile away, yet can't seem to notice any of the numerous red flags waving all around him in this particular instance.

Ah well, I've just got him filed away with other noted researchers like Joseph Farrell and Rich Dolan, Dark Journalist, etc., who seem to all share this same mysterious blind spot.

giovonni
17th September 2017, 14:21
Walter Bosley, yes I remember him from the documentary "Mirage Men", which essentially exposes Bill's old buddy Richard Doty from the Project Serpo days (2005-06), as the notorious disinfo agent that he is. Researcher, private investigator, a career in Intelligence, can sniff deception a mile away, yet can't seem to notice any of the numerous red flags waving all around him in this particular instance.

Ah well, I've just got him filed away with other noted researchers like Joseph Farrell and Rich Dolan, Dark Journalist, etc., who seem to all share this same mysterious blind spot.

:thup:/wink/wink

I believe in the old adage of give them enough rope ...

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6b/Hangman-5.png

Aragorn
17th September 2017, 17:32
Walter Bosley, yes I remember him from the documentary "Mirage Men", which essentially exposes Bill's old buddy Richard Doty from the Project Serpo days (2005-06), as the notorious disinfo agent that he is. Researcher, private investigator, a career in Intelligence, can sniff deception a mile away, yet can't seem to notice any of the numerous red flags waving all around him in this particular instance.

According to what I've read in Bill Ryan's thread about Pete Peterson, El Sombrero™ is now openly distancing himself from Richard Doty. :tea:

Fred Steeves
17th September 2017, 20:16
According to what I've read in Bill Ryan's thread about Pete Peterson, El Sombrero™ is now openly distancing himself from Richard Doty. :tea:

Ah yes, I'm assuming you refer to the post below:



Official documents have low validity.

I do understand your point. But court documents are court documents. This wasn't a briefing from MJ-12 leaked by Richard Doty! :)

That came across to me as more typical game playing, possibly even a bit of showing off to certain observers, being that Doty also helped put Bill himself on the map with the Serpo releases. As if to boast: "Look at me, I can be *this* damn blatant and nobody can see it. Top that!"

Then again this all goes back to motive, and perhaps my observations are nothing but tilting at windmills. Actually that's probably the case, because according to all the top experts there is absolutely nothing to see here folks, move along :)

Aragorn
17th September 2017, 20:30
Ah yes, I'm assuming you refer to the post below:



Official documents have low validity.

I do understand your point. But court documents are court documents. This wasn't a briefing from MJ-12 leaked by Richard Doty! :)

That came across to me as more typical game playing, possibly even a bit of showing off to certain observers, being that Doty also helped put Bill himself on the map with the Serpo releases. As if to boast: "Look at me, I can be *this* damn blatant and nobody can see it. Top that!"

Then again this all goes back to motive, and perhaps my observations are nothing but tilting at windmills. Actually that's probably the case, because according to all the top experts there is absolutely nothing to see here folks, move along :)

Well, there is on the other hand the irony that El Sombrero™ would be appealing unto the validity of court documents when he himself has been convicted in absence by a court in the state of California on the charges of art fraud. :p

Fred Steeves
17th September 2017, 21:11
Well, there is on the other hand the irony that El Sombrero™ would be appealing unto the validity of court documents when he himself has been convicted in absence by a court in the state of California on the charges of art fraud. :p

Good point, how could I have missed the *double* irony in that short post! Picasso anyone? :eyebrows:

Dreamtimer
18th September 2017, 04:37
Someone's nose is crooked.:whstl:

Dumpster Diver
18th September 2017, 20:05
BTW, anyone have a list of "whistleblowers" that Darth Hatman still "embraces"?

I would assume that Richard Dolan, Dark Journalist, and Farrell etc do not make the list as they are researchers & journalists.

I thin he is on the outs with everyone, excepting our MILAB lady Kerry who only "sort-of" blows the whistle in the occasional interview of her.

Aianawa
21st September 2017, 11:29
After 7 pages, I think I have the answer, survival. Whoever he believes he is, needs to survive.

Now what does he believe he is ?.

Outlander
21st September 2017, 11:36
Now what does he believe he is ?.

God's gift to mankind?!

Outlander
21st September 2017, 11:57
.................................................. ..........El Sombrero™


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCDf3XQKKKA

NB: FABULOUS track!!!

Elen
21st September 2017, 12:21
.................................................. ..........El Sombrero™


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCDf3XQKKKA

NB: FABULOUS track!!!

Who can sit still? :D

KINGSTON FRIZZ
21st September 2017, 13:03
Yeah, but he nicely skirts around that by stating that he's a member of Ron's Org — one of the Free Zone Scientology organizations — and that he's not a member of the Church of Scientology, priding himself even that he's on their official list of enemies.

People are less familiar with Free Zone Scientology, while what they are most familiar with regarding the Church of Scientology itself is said organization's record of criminal activities — for which it has been outlawed in Europe.

So it's these criminal activities which are deemed by the majority of the people as being the deplorable aspect of Scientology, and not the pseudo-religion itself. Ergo, with Ron's Org being an unknown to most people, they won't immediately want to take El Sombrero™ to task over it. Some have tried, but we've all seen how that ends. Just ask donk. ;)

Rons org does not seem any better to me: http://www.fzsurvivors.com/home/

Elen
21st September 2017, 14:29
Rons org does not seem any better to me: http://www.fzsurvivors.com/home/

I believe Aragorn didn't think so either...

Fred Steeves
21st September 2017, 14:57
After 7 pages, I think I have the answer, survival. Whoever he believes he is, needs to survive.

Now what does he believe he is ?.

I would put that differently, as I think in general it's a bit more complicated than that.

I see it more as the ongoing result of a lifetime spent seeing it something like so: "This is the situation I find myself in presently. Who do I need to be, and what do I have to do, in order for events and circumstances to favor my own personal designs?"

If you are a high level Scientologist dealing with lowly wogs, many of whom are considered "Suppressive Persons" (SP), there are no moral constraints to dealing with such people. They are not worthy of this type of consideration, thus nothing to trouble the conscience about.

This would be no definitive answer btw, merely a slice of the pie.

giovonni
22nd September 2017, 02:35
Though for now, i will give my Al Zen (of Forum Borealis) and Walter Bosley a pass ...
I sense they are late to the fair, but will eventually see the light and go home.

PA2's numbers are way down and the writing is all over its forum's dying board.

BR might have to find another ways and means to his dwindling ego/income.
Walter Bosley, yes I remember him from the documentary "Mirage Men", which essentially exposes Bill's old buddy Richard Doty from the Project Serpo days (2005-06), as the notorious disinfo agent that he is. Researcher, private investigator, a career in Intelligence, can sniff deception a mile away, yet can't seem to notice any of the numerous red flags waving all around him in this particular instance.

Ah well, I've just got him filed away with other noted researchers like Joseph Farrell and Rich Dolan, Dark Journalist, etc., who seem to all share this same mysterious blind spot.

Updated ...

Forget Walter Bosley ...

http://j.b5z.net/i/u/2040243/i/under_bus.png

Jengelen
22nd September 2017, 11:27
Since this thread was split to the new thread on the Reptilian Transgender agenda you may as well pick up from the new thread from here if you are interested in this subject. Try re-reading this post for additional info. there in the new thread that has an edit and a video added to this post that I did not double up here.

If Corey Goode, David Wilcock, or Bill Ryan, David Icke or any other researcher be it Dark Journalist or Wikileaks' Julian Assange the one thing they all have in common is they seek the hot button stories to gain more view, or more clicks I should say!! I'm not calling it click bait but they are all guilty of that at times I think and I am sure most agree. However, it's forums and videos and your titles are bound to be made to attract people so no harm there but what about the elephant in the room? You know the obvious thing that is right in front of everyone every single day and just flies right over their heads not even noticed? None of them mention it but seem to avoid it other than to drift off on reptilians but it's so much more than that simple answer!

The elephant in the room is that Donald Trump was born a women! That is to say he is a grandma okay? I know anatomy and I've seen enough myself to also know he is married to a man, Melania! I also know his son, with the widows peak, is a female and also married to a man, a transgender no different than Melania or Katelyn Jenner. Then we have little Baron, a little girl being brought up as a little boy! Then of course Ivanka, that was actual Ivan! Now this has been going on since Egypt and Greece and likely before!! So where are the voices? Who notices that Melania, like Michelle Obama were both men? Which speaker is talking about the TV and how it is a direct way to peer right into Lucifer's world where everything is upside down!!? None of them because they are all on the thing too and part of the same system! You see it now? All connected! No white hats here!

When you look on that TV and they say left they mean right! When they say up they mean down, bad they mean good, more they mean less! And when it's a woman talking it's most always a man and when a man, almost always a woman because nothing is as it appears in Lucifer's world! These children used to be killed and sacrificed but now a days they have another form of sacrifice! They take children just like Kaley Cuoco who was male in the womb and begin changing the sex in the womb and every now and then one of the My Lab tranny's goes nutso like Amada Bynes did remember? Well, that was all related to the same stuff! She apparently started growing new parts down there and discovered biologically anyway, she is male and was sacrificed by her parents as a womb baby and transgendered like Bieber, and Cyrus, and so many others and not one of these guys touches it almost like it's taboo! Makes you wonder if maybe ole Bill Ryan isn't really bio female himself at times or at least it's occurred to me!

giovonni
22nd September 2017, 14:02
Well ... with no doubt I've been slowly souring on this whole alternative truth movement for a while now ... And there is no doubt in my mind something (in the global environment) is effecting a physiological change/transition of humankind ... Though for whatever reason, I'm still not quite sure of the real purposeful agenda?

But i am sure, and do like and agree with Fred Steeves, sharing his healthy/cautionary eye - in keeping an active (mental) filing system on all these presented 'suspect researchers'. Something is amok within the community that has seemingly wanted all along to divide (and entrench) any real truth from being achieved ... And those that encamp themselves within cult like groups are at the top of my be weary of list of culprits.

Outlander
22nd September 2017, 20:35
About Pete Peterson:

... having just gotten off the phone with Stanford University I can tell you that he did not receive this Ph.D. at Stanford nor was he ever enrolled there. Stanford also confirms that they have never been called "Golden State College" nor do they hand out "classified Ph.D's" I used Peterson's full real name and DOB for my information. Just a simple phone call for Wilcock or anyone else.
SOURCE: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?99679-The-Truth-about-Pete-Peterson-David-Wilcock-the-foreclosure-the-dead-cats-and-GoFundMe&p=1181548#post1181548
:popc:

Aragorn
22nd September 2017, 20:41
About Pete Peterson:


... having just gotten off the phone with Stanford University I can tell you that he did not receive this Ph.D. at Stanford nor was he ever enrolled there. Stanford also confirms that they have never been called "Golden State College" nor do they hand out "classified Ph.D's" I used Peterson's full real name and DOB for my information. Just a simple phone call for Wilcock or anyone else.

SOURCE: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?99679-The-Truth-about-Pete-Peterson-David-Wilcock-the-foreclosure-the-dead-cats-and-GoFundMe&p=1181548#post1181548
:popc:

Um, that source link does not point to where you think it does, Brother. That's an entirely different post. The real source for that quote is a post by Avalon moderator Kristin, here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?99679-The-Truth-about-Pete-Peterson-David-Wilcock-the-foreclosure-the-dead-cats-and-GoFundMe&p=1181496&viewfull=1#post1181496). ;)

You're welcome. :whstl:

Outlander
23rd September 2017, 00:13
Um, that source link does not point to where you think it does, Brother. That's an entirely different post. The real source for that quote is a post by Avalon moderator Kristin, here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?99679-The-Truth-about-Pete-Peterson-David-Wilcock-the-foreclosure-the-dead-cats-and-GoFundMe&p=1181496&viewfull=1#post1181496). ;)

You're welcome. :whstl:

:thup::winner::tiphat::h5::thup::winner::tiphat::h 5::thup::winner::tiphat::h5::thup::winner::tiphat: :h5:

giovonni
23rd September 2017, 11:21
:thup::winner::tiphat::h5::thup::winner::tiphat::h 5::thup::winner::tiphat::h5::thup::winner::tiphat: :h5:

Yes indeedy...

BR's got quite a Peanut Gallery following going over there ...

You get what you give ...


https://i.pinimg.com/736x/c2/69/d1/c269d1c5baa3cb51054017415d8ca72a--no-time-make-time.jpg

Dreamtimer
23rd September 2017, 11:24
More and more people are becoming allergic to peanuts. :whstl:

Wind
23rd September 2017, 13:31
https://156zni49nby62r9lbshm73b1-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/the-generation-of-today-are-so-allergic-to-everything-6166-640x640.jpg

donk
23rd September 2017, 15:43
PA member neutronstar posts in the break off Pete Peterson thread mentioned above:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?99679-The-Truth-about-Pete-Peterson-David-Wilcock-the-foreclosure-the-dead-cats-and-GoFundMe&p=1181548&viewfull=1#post1181548


Default Re: The Truth about 'Pete' Peterson, David Wilcock, the foreclosure, the dead cats, and GoFundMe

Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Quote Posted by Jantje (here)
I guess this shows that it's very important to do a background check and ask for evidence that can back up what a whistleblower is presenting, otherwise it's just a person telling a story that might be true.
Yes, really. Even the first time we met 'Henry Deacon', in late 2006 (real name Arthur Neumann), he placed his documents on the table for us to read, but asked us to be silent when we read them.

He'd deliberately asked us to meet him in a really crowded Pizza Hut at 6 pm on a Saturday evening, filled with noisy children. The very first thing he did was put his cellphone on the table and take out the battery while we watched, and he motioned us to please do the same. He then showed us the documents. One item he wrote on a sheet of paper in pen, made sure we'd seen it, and then crumpled it up again.

That's how a real whistleblower thinks, fears, and operates. (Also see the extremely good Ed Snowden documentary, Citizenfour: it's very similar in some ways.)

A few weeks later, 'Henry' took us to his local pub in the small village close to the base he worked at, and Kerry and I sat in a corner watching his ex-colleagues come in the door and greet him with surprise. That was also a pretty good check for us. 'Henry' was always exactly who he said he was.
Although I think there is a very good chance he is telling the truth. How far will the deep state go to fool someone. If they did a profile on you, maybe they thought they would have to go to that length to fool you. Just saying.

This goes right into Bob Lazar. I think he is telling the truth, but it is not what it seems. I think the deep state showed him what they wanted to show him, told him what they wanted him to know, and knew that he would talk. I think the whole thing was a psychological operation, and it probably went the way they wanted it to.

At the end of the day we make are best guesses. My guess here would be he is telling the truth but I am not going to drop dead with shock if somehow I found out he was a plant.

This thread reveals as much about the motivations of the man as anything...as any member here knows. This post (like this thread) (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/10917-BR-s-disclosure-on-CG) should serve the same purpose he claims is the root of the root of his thread: it is to inform those that are not familiar with the "Truth about Bill Ryan", which he wishes was as important a role in the "community" as Corey Goode.

Earlier in the thread, Bill interjects:



Something to clarify here:

I'm not saying that David Wilcock has been knowingly complicit in any publicly stated untruth.

I'm not saying there has been any knowingly perpetrated fraud by him or Coco Luau (the GoFundMe campaign organizer) concerning the $52,000+ so far collected for Peterson. (Though something, somewhere, is wrong with that picture.)

I am saying that he was grossly negligent in not fact-checking what he was told (which anyone reading this could have done, and which now has been done) — and in believing, as he often does, everything that 'one of his insiders' tells him.

To all reading this, Avalon members or not: Do you begin to see how important this all is?

Yet he has the nerve to later say:

Off-topic here, but Charles was exactly who he said he was.

Oh yeah, who is that? Someone important? Someone that anyone outside of PA could have ever heard of because you?

That is so clearly (to me) what motivates him, to direct as many as he can to see what he thinks is important, whilst making sure the lessons are never applied to him. This should be clear to any of his fans or anyone trying to fact check him: You can see for yourself on his own forum how he elevated regular poster goodETxSG to "super secret whistleblower" status to great fanfare and with his entire cult energized to their highest protection mode, going as far to hide the name Corey the dude used to sign a lot of his own posts.

Whether he is purposefully used by some sort of agency as an asset, completely used by them without his consent, or even what I would guess, completely ignored by them...you can tell that he just eats shit like section9's comment up:


This is yet another object lesson in the necessity for those in the Alternative Research Community to police themselves and audit when necessary. It's worth noting that our forum host has shown great leadership in this regard.

He has my thanks.

You don't have to believe he's a sociopath or whatever to see that. With all the scoldings to the "humorous" types they have over there reminding them that "we are on stage here, people"...it is clear he basks in the adulation/respect/notice of his perceived standing within the community. Those of you reading this believing he is of sterling integrity, some sort of wonderful example of discernment or how great research is done, you need to open your eyes to what is a greater hypocrite than even his old friends David Wilcock and Corey Goode and Pete Peterson (and Charles and Simon and Inelia...)

Aragorn
23rd September 2017, 18:30
[... Snippy was here...]

Whether he is purposefully used by some sort of agency as an asset, completely used them, or even what I would guess, completely ignored by them...you can tell that he eats shit like section9's comment up:


This is yet another object lesson in the necessity for those in the Alternative Research Community to police themselves and audit when necessary. It's worth noting that our forum host has shown great leadership in this regard.

He has my thanks.

You don't have to believe he's a sociopath or whatever to see that. With all the scoldings to the "humorous" types they have over there reminding them that "we are on stage here, people"...it is clear he basks in the adulation/respect/notice of his perceived standing within the community.

That, and he regularly pumps it out there to his "house guests" that they — and the Project Avalon forum as a whole — are some kind of an elite. You know, they are the "awake & aware", they are the True Researchers™, the chosen ones who are going to save the world.

(He did after all say that he used to work as a freelancer in team-building for various corporations, didn't he? What better way to build a team spirit than by telling your subjects — what a wonderfully duplicitous and appropriate word :p — that they are "special" and "chosen"?)


:fpalm:


Those of you reading this believing he is of sterling integrity, some sort of wonderful example of discernment or how great research is done, you need to open your to what is a greater hypocrite than even his old friends David Wilcock and Corey Goode and Pete Peterson (and Charles and Simon and Inelia...)

The greatest liar is always the one who interjects at least 50% truth in his lies. As a Scientologist and as a Machiavellian psychopath, he knows (and performs) that trick all too well.

Excellent post, Brother. ;) :thup:

giovonni
23rd September 2017, 23:05
he regularly pumps it out there ...

The greatest liar is always the one who interjects at least 50% truth in his lies. As a Scientologist
and as a Machiavellian psychopath, he knows (and performs) that trick all too well.



Oh Bill ...

http://www.memorybanque.com/grayhair7.11.2017e.jpg

Please say it's not true ... :eyebrows:

donk
24th September 2017, 12:54
More likely than meg ryan being a man, is Jengelen being Bill Ryan.

Even worse derailer of threads than dumpster diver, christ

giovonni
24th September 2017, 13:12
Speaking of woman/man ...


Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

To all reading this, Avalon members or not: Do you begin to see how important this all is?

Remember it's really all about me folks ...

http://projectavalon.net/Amazon/Bill_Ryan_by_waterfall.jpg

giovonni
24th September 2017, 13:50
I recall a few of years ago BR put out an inquiry over at PA2 ...
It was a thread asking info and advice on creating a wiki page
for himself ... If i remember correctly the thread seemed to
go by the wayside quite quickly - Especially after being advised
others could and probably would edit/contribute there ...

Though one might imagine BR would most definitely prefer a locked page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Editing)...

Still waiting on that definitive biography on this very public person.

http://adigaskell.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/wikipedia-research.jpg

donk
24th September 2017, 13:59
Heh, I remember that.

As brilliant as he may seem to some, it is shocking to me that he needed to be reminded he can't control his image outside his own "house".

Fred Steeves
24th September 2017, 18:54
Jengelen,

Perhaps start a thread of it's own on this subject? Something along the lines of: "Everyone you see on t.v. is a tranny".

NotAPretender
24th September 2017, 18:59
Hey Fred,

That's a good idea, but I've got 'Jen'G'elen' figured out. (i.e. Jender). He/She is a proponent of 'understanding' of transgenderism, which is cool with me really. A full thread might be interesting though it could get 'pornographic' pretty quickly with my help. Because I would need to continue posting 'full' women... :eyebrows:

NAP

giovonni
24th September 2017, 19:09
Well - if anything BR can be thankful how this thread has regressed ...

Surprised more PA2 members aren't here helping it along that line?

PS ~ i will leave you all to it.

NotAPretender
24th September 2017, 19:22
Don't be offended Giovonni,

After all, Fred did suggest another thread to 'play' on...No intention to derail the thread.

giovonni
24th September 2017, 19:48
Don't be offended Giovonni,

After all, Fred did suggest another thread to 'play' on...No intention to derail the thread.

No offense taken, it's not my thread ... :)

I really don't even know many members participating here, so it's hard to really gauge a members purposeful real intent ... Many have varies avatar names across these boards, that in itself works in benefiting all kinds of disruptions.

Aragorn
24th September 2017, 21:01
More likely than meg ryan being a man, is Jengelen being Bill Ryan.

Even worse derailer of threads than dumpster diver, christ


Jengelen,

Perhaps start a thread of it's own on this subject? Something along the lines of: "Everyone you see on t.v. is a tranny".




Well - if anything BR can be thankful how this thread has regressed ...

Surprised more PA2 members aren't here helping it along that line?

PS ~ i will leave you all to it.

Don't be offended Giovonni,

After all, Fred did suggest another thread to 'play' on...No intention to derail the thread.

No offense taken, it's not my thread ... :)

I really don't even know many members participating here, so it's hard to really gauge a members purposeful real intent ... Many have varies avatar names across these boards, that in itself works in benefiting all kinds of disruptions.


I have now split off the transgender discussion into another thread — here (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11459-The-Reptilian-Transgender-Agenda). The opening post to that thread is a duplicate of post #105 (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11414-What-Motivates-Bill-Ryan-of-Project-Avalon-Community-Forum?p=841979118&viewfull=1#post841979118) by Jengelen, so as to not break the continuity for those who stumble upon this thread here for the first time. That way, they can see that a secondary discussion emerged and that it was split off into a separate thread. ;)

Dumpster Diver
25th September 2017, 18:08
More likely than meg ryan being a man, is Jengelen being Bill Ryan.

Even worse derailer of threads than dumpster diver, christ

Dour Donk: who are you talking about? BTW, Whoever it is, I refuse to give up the title.

...also, calling me Christ will not change my mind.

Aianawa
25th September 2017, 21:22
Gee Dumpy, I feel your very xlent at derailing and rerailing while having fun also, crikey derailing is an art ( not including trollies ) and our snug forum of differing artist is very fortunate indeed imo.

Now, back to the story of Bill's behaviour patterns and shadow fighting.

Elen
26th September 2017, 06:37
Gee Dumpy, I feel your very xlent at derailing and rerailing while having fun also, crikey derailing is an art ( not including trollies ) and our snug forum of differing artist is very fortunate indeed imo.

Now, back to the story of Bill's behaviour patterns and shadow fighting.

You know what Vern...I feel that we could send you ANYWHERE and that very "anywhere" would be peaceful after your visit. ;)

Dreamtimer
26th September 2017, 14:36
Laughing at Dumpy and marveling at Aianawa.


It seems to me a good case has been made for some motivations already:

Narcissism is a motivator.

Money is/has been a motivator.

Some have made the case that there is an intelligence agency guiding him.

He is currently making a show of admitting mistakes and learning, showcasing CG because that's the name with the most mileage.

He has been able to use the forum to find people, women in particular, useful to him. (for money, for marriage, for...)

There's a flavor if not a direct connection to Scientology. So the philosophies, or mentalities associated therewith would be a motivator. (I don't know much about Rons Org)


What did I leave out?

Lord Sidious
26th September 2017, 15:58
What did I leave out?

Ask em about Sir Baconhat of Nuggetry sending d!ck pics via pm to women he was trying to groom.............

NotAPretender
26th September 2017, 16:09
Dear Lord,

No disrespect meant, but why are you so angry? I'm curious really, not suggesting I feel 'affronted'

NAP

Dreamtimer
26th September 2017, 23:24
We have a member of the Weiner club, eh? :shocked::hiding::pc:

Aragorn
26th September 2017, 23:44
Ask em about Sir Baconhat of Nuggetry sending d!ck pics via pm to women he was trying to groom.............

I know that Simon Parkes was doing that, but I am shocked to hear that Bill Ryan himself — in spite of my opinion of the man — would also have sunk that low. :vom:

But then again, considering some other dark traits of his which have come to the surface in the meantime, I do not think that it would be all that implausible.



:shocked:

modwiz
26th September 2017, 23:46
I know that Simon Parkes was doing that, but I am shocked to hear that Bill Ryan himself — in spite of my opinion of the man — would also have sunk that low. :vom:

But then again, considering some other dark traits of his which have come to the surface in the meantime, I do not think that it would be all that implausible.



:shocked:

It is quite an accusation. In most cases we would want to see evidence. Not in this case.:vom::vom:

Lord Sidious
27th September 2017, 07:53
Dear Lord,

No disrespect meant, but why are you so angry? I'm curious really, not suggesting I feel 'affronted'

NAP

Go back and read all of the posts I made of my experiences.


It is quite an accusation. In most cases we would want to see evidence. Not in this case.:vom::vom:

You know I talk to lots of people around the traps................

pabranno
28th September 2017, 14:19
Lord Sid,
Can you point me to those posts so I can understand better?
I am a PA2 member, but am trying to understand the perspective here.

Pamela

Lord Sidious
28th September 2017, 17:37
Lord Sid,
Can you point me to those posts so I can understand better?
I am a PA2 member, but am trying to understand the perspective here.

Pamela

There are only 137 posts in this thread.
I posted and others posted about our experiences

Dumpster Diver
29th September 2017, 19:40
Gee Dumpy, I feel your very xlent at derailing and rerailing while having fun also, crikey derailing is an art ( not including trollies ) and our snug forum of differing artist is very fortunate indeed imo.

Now, back to the story of Bill's behaviour patterns and shadow fighting.

Thanks. And I do agree I derail and then re-rail. In spite of what The Donkster sez, I do obey rulez...sometimes.

Fred Steeves
30th September 2017, 10:24
Here's an interesting little diddly. What might be the motivation of throwing a friend and fellow ufo researcher's credibility under the bus, only to come back a short time later to reiterate the importance of their work?

Here is Bill just a short time back, showing little regard for Mr. Disinformation himself Richard Doty's MJ 12 "leaks".



Official documents have low validity.

I do understand your point. But court documents are court documents. This wasn't a briefing from MJ-12 leaked by Richard Doty! :)
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?99679-The-Truth-about-Pete-Peterson-David-Wilcock-the-foreclosure-the-dead-cats-and-GoFundMe&p=1179565#post1179565

Yet now these MJ "leaks" are back to being very important again.


Yes. This is old news, of course, presented by Ancient Aliens for a popular audience.

There's a thread about the very important 1954 SOM1-01 manual here:


The Smoking Gun - Special Operations Manual SOM1-01 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?82572-The-Smoking-Gun-Special-Operations-Manual-SOM1-01)

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100003-ETs-Tech-recovery-disposal-US-Documents-Ancient-Aliens-Majestic-12-Linda-Moulton-Howe-Giorgio-Tsoukalos&p=1182547&highlight=#post1182547



Which takes us back to this 2015 thread, about this very important manual:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?82572-The-Smoking-Gun-Special-Operations-Manual-SOM1-01

Where at post #9, he again showcases the importance, and vouches for the validity:


------

This is all about the very well-known (among ufologists) Special Operations Manual SOM1-01.

Expert government document analysts who've studied it closely, such as MajesticDocuments.com (http://www.majesticdocuments.com) team Robert and Ryan Wood, agree that it's the most likely to be completely genuine of all the mass of UFO documents that have surfaced; the odds, many researchers say, are almost certain. Every little detail adds up to it being the authentic, real thing.

All the individual pages are here, as originally leaked on undeveloped film:

http://specialoperationsmanual.com/the-manual

(The website http://specialoperationsmanual.com contains a wealth of specialized information)

Here's a single PDF of all the original photographed pages:

http://projectavalon.net/SOM1-01_original_complete.pdf (http://projecavalon.net/SOM1-01_original_complete.pdf)

http://projectavalon.net/SOM1-01_original_complete.pdf

Here's a reconstructed replica:

http://projectavalon.net/SOM1-01_Replica.pdf

http://projectavalon.net/SOM1-01_Replica.pdf

And here's a high-quality reproduction of the contents (not actually a replica):

http://projectavalon.net/SOM1-01_Reconstruction.pdf

http://projectavalon.net/SOM1-01_Reconstruction.pdf

Thing is, if you Google "SOM 1-01 Richard Doty", you find yourself back in the midst of the Richard Doty Runaround once again. Here's an example, and this is where Linda Moulton Howe always enters the picture:


Linda Moulton Howe, who stated she saw this document on April 9, 1983 – 18 months before Shandera found it in his letterbox. Howe identified the man that showed it to her as Richard Doty, an AFOSI agent who had been co-operating with Moore in the disinformation campaign direct against Bennewitz.
http://philipcoppens.com/majestic12.html

So what's going on here? Is it just a sign of forgetful old age settling in? A little good cop/bad cop action? Instilling cognitive dissonance?

What indeed, would be the motivation for standing firm that MJ 12 is both credible, and non credible?

Lord Sidious
30th September 2017, 12:46
Sad when people get old and nugget.
He has all the credibility of a flat tyre

Aragorn
30th September 2017, 19:02
Here's an interesting little diddly. What might be the motivation of throwing a friend and fellow ufo researcher's credibility under the bus, only to come back a short time later to reiterate the importance of their work?

Here is Bill just a short time back, showing little regard for Mr. Disinformation himself Richard Doty's MJ 12 "leaks".

[...]

So what's going on here? Is it just a sign of forgetful old age settling in? [...]

Sad when people get old and nugget.
He has all the credibility of a flat tyre

I have a theory — well, if you want to call it that — that his memory isn't quite anywhere near as good as as what people give him credit for, and that this is one of the reasons why he manically keeps detailed records of everything, such as every e-mail or PM ever sent or received, every Avalon member's personal details, et al.

We know he's obsessive-compulsive, not to mention that he's a Scientologist and a supporter of Werner Erhard — he did, by his own admission, attend the EST seminars — and just as in the case of the alphabet soup spooks, having a hard copy of everything gives you much better control in strategic situations than having to rely on your memory.

Now, if you keep a record of everything on a computer, then that becomes a secondary storage to your own memory, but the problem is that you'd then be relying on this secondary storage for an accurate recount of something that happened, and if your primary storage — i.e. the brain — doesn't contain that same information while you're also not thinking about verifying any given situation with the information in your records, then you screw up.

Of course, we also know he's a liar and a skillful manipulator. I have ample first-hand evidence of that. :tea:

NotAPretender
30th September 2017, 19:05
well, we probably all know that the personality disordered can never keep their stories straight. And, some normal people do change their minds. :)

enjoy being
30th September 2017, 22:36
One thing I do notice is that there are people who seem entrapped by the scandals and loathings of this individual, to the point they appear to be extremely preoccupied with him and the subjects surrounding him. With such obsession it hints at a hang up for other reasons which keep the topic emotional and fertile for them. I guess that's the difference with some people, some fairly much excommunicate such people and allow them no more time or energy.
I personally have never given this fellow any special status, he is just a poo factory like everyone else, and I don't believe he really has any influence in the field of vision, he is just a test for individuals to pass on their way to becoming, aware.
Sometimes the dramas of the community seem to be far more chaotic than the nature of the info we are collectively digesting. The community represents much more to some. Some have attached social reasonings to their presense, they have attached parts of their ego and expectations and entangled their hearts in the timelines of the stories they have viewed. The cathartic release of some of the material can form linkages to the storyteller I suppose, it is our job to be vigilant of these. Many times we see where it has not been policed and we have various neuroses develop in individuals.
I suppose it is par for the course in the way of people being open and vulnerable. And that humans have become generally preoccupied with being submissive slave minded consumers, so there are many bad habits to break. I could also imagine that being a story teller and cracking open the hives of honey, will make you smell of honey, even though you just cracked a shell and split open a wall to get to honey and are quite removed from BEING the honey, people will still tend to think that you are the honey.

donk
30th September 2017, 23:41
One thing I do notice is that there are people who seem entrapped by the scandals and loathings of this individual, to the point they appear to be extremely preoccupied with him and the subjects surrounding him. With such obsession it hints at a hang up for other reasons which keep the topic emotional and fertile for them. I guess that's the difference with some people, some fairly much excommunicate such people and allow them no more time or energy.
I personally have never given this fellow any special status, he is just a poo factory like everyone else, and I don't believe he really has any influence in the field of vision, he is just a test for individuals to pass on their way to becoming, aware.
Sometimes the dramas of the community seem to be far more chaotic than the nature of the info we are collectively digesting. The community represents much more to some. Some have attached social reasonings to their presense, they have attached parts of their ego and expectations and entangled their hearts in the timelines of the stories they have viewed. The cathartic release of some of the material can form linkages to the storyteller I suppose, it is our job to be vigilant of these. Many times we see where it has not been policed and we have various neuroses develop in individuals.
I suppose it is par for the course in the way of people being open and vulnerable. And that humans have become generally preoccupied with being submissive slave minded consumers, so there are many bad habits to break. I could also imagine that being a story teller and cracking open the hives of honey, will make you smell of honey, even though you just cracked a shell and split open a wall to get to honey and are quite removed from BEING the honey, people will still tend to think that you are the honey.

I am one of those "entrapped", as I experienced almost as much "truth" about him as he got "truth of Corey Goode"

I don't relate to the "community" as I once did, but I feel sharing my "truth" is every bit as valid and important as his. And I feel he's WAY more influential (and therefore "dangerous") to the community than the dude he's gaining cred for calling out.

Most importantly, I genuinely LIKED...even LOVED...most posters on Avalon. I am more worried about them than the "community" at large. I know some them peek over here, and that most...if not all...are very smart. Those of them that will question their beliefs and think really hard about what they're enabling is the only peeps I hope to help.

The rest is selfish, I'll admit it. I find it educational and reflective to air out my remaining issues with the experience...similar stuff cycles around in my real life, and always has. Sometimes the "rants" are a release that helps with REAL, personal change.

enjoy being
1st October 2017, 00:29
I was in the throes of an additional post stating how I hold contradicting views in so much as I believe it is also healthy to investigate these things and link all the puddles to their various drips. I guess I have become even more cynical than ever in some respects, in that I find it quite rare that anyone actually measures up with their honey sharing, y'know, there's always the different layers. I have become more desensitised to being outraged or intrigued over stories. I love archaeology, but even that seems like a series of thousands of narrow no exit lanes, as we wait and wait for the huge amount of evidence to have any impact at all.

I guess it is like a sock puppet enthusiasts group having a massive argument because one of the sock puppets tried to pretend to be a puppeteer, and the Chief Sock, after initially being okay with it, got all upset when all the foolish became fooled. So the Chief Sock had to tell all the rest of the socks that the other sock was not really a puppeteer but just a sock like the rest.... Yeah I guess it is sort of like that to me, where it is so bloody absurd anyone would believe for a second that the sock puppet was a puppeteer or any of it was anything more than some silly bunch of repurposed odd socks.

hmm lol

I'd like to learn new and better ways of sharing my displeasure constructively.

NotAPretender
1st October 2017, 16:00
My experience was that I felt abused by the community...I suppose I had it coming because as I most often do, I disregarded the 'rules' of community that exist in most 'polite' societies. <sigh> I'm so misunderstood... :). In effect, when I was there I 'targeted' individuals that were spreading negative propaganda, negative in the sense that it totally violated my sense of 'truth' and 'reality' and just basic 'goodness'. The most vocal of the propagandists were viciously evil pretending to 'better the world!'. One has to understand that my only exposure to the forum world was a few years I spent on a forum that was dedicated to an active serial killer. One can imagine what the environment's prevailing ambience was, kill or be killed. At the end, I was reputedly the only original poster that survived the experience under his/her original avatar, everyone else had been booted on more than one occasion.

I will readily admit that I was somewhat in awe of the level of 'intelligence' and the abilitiy to 'articulate' which is essentially why I was very embittered by the experience. When I joined Avalon, I was expecting a group of 'outed' mystics, astrologers, spiritual, ufo researchers, and caring individuals but what I immediately encountered was shocking to me and I went into attack mode. And, of course, as 'evil' was the predominant voice, I got smashed... lol, smashed I say, with the help of the p.t.b.

This board is much closer to what I expected at Avalon. so yayyy for that. A member here suggested it.

I think I'm over it now...I just need a little adrenaline fix now and then and I confess I love drama when it ain't mine... :)

NAP

Aianawa
1st October 2017, 20:10
Imo atm avoiding not avoiding the what is, is partly a noospheric transmission.

And transission

Dreamtimer
2nd October 2017, 11:29
I enjoy the periodic Aianawan koan. It's a spontaneous moment of the mind being moved into a new awareness.

The last thirteen years have seen major transitions for me.

araucaria
2nd October 2017, 13:18
Well - if anything BR can be thankful how this thread has regressed ...

Surprised more PA2 members aren't here helping it along that line?

PS ~ i will leave you all to it.

Hi Gio, good to be interacting again with you and some others. I gather you have a health issue; I am sure it will be resolved with all due haste.

I have no speculations to make about Bill Ryan’s motivations. As with anyone else, if one digs deep down through the endless layers of trauma and hurt and sickness that have afflicted humanity over eons, and turned victims into perpetrators, one will doubtless find them to be pure. That attitude is for myself. For the sake of others, however, I have to prefer a much more severe and pragmatic stance. When enough people independently reach the same conclusion identifying a particular source with too much harm to too many people, then it is time to do something.

As to my own motivations and late arrival on this board, I do have a bit of ’splainin’ to do, which reflects indirectly on BR. My last post on Avalon was on 5 July. From a public forum standpoint, I am just a member who hasn’t posted for a while. However, there was a disagreement with the forum owner which was promptly hidden in the members only section. I may or may not repost some of that material, I really don’t know. But it means my online presence is effectively a misrepresentation of who I am and what I am about. I enrolled here notably to correct that, but also of course in order to carry on where I left off. I have not retired from PA, mostly to maintain ready access to my personal intellectual property there, but since to post again would amount to backing off and toeing the line, I am not prepared to do that.

Regarding who I am, something has not changed: this is reflected in my keeping my earlier screen name. The araucaria input here carries on from the araucaria input over there, and defines a singular source, the individual human being at the keyboard. What has changed is my transfer of my activity from a forum that is dysfunctional as a community to one seemingly more aware of the problem, hence likely closer to finding a solution. The notion of the collective, the community, i.e. how we deal with the self/others dichotomy, being central to my thinking. I intend to start a thread on that subject in the near future.

I read a lot about the inadequacy of duality. If you don’t like duality, then you are in for a hard time, because duality is merely the beginner’s introduction to all-out multiplicity. And a harder time still if your answer is to go off crying for an immediate return to oneness with mother. Or if you short-circuit the open-ended dialectical process in a circular Problem-Reaction-Solution approach. Or if you are a slave to artificial intelligence, stuck in binary processing. We are actually dealing in fuzzy logic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuzzy_logic).
These forums are fuzzy sets (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set_theory#Axiomatic_set_theory) where ‘the degree of membership of a person in the set (...) is more flexible than a simple yes or no answer.’

The challenge of the universe is multiplicity out of oneness; you can work your way all the up to an ultimate creator of everything, but that challenge of dealing with multiplicity will still be the same at the very highest level. It may actually be that the ‘Creator’ has got itself as it were into a tight spot that only tiny finite beings can extricate it from. But this would only be a time-based way of saying that multiplicity is here to stay, and so are ‘we’. Intrication and extrication are timeless, i.e. ever simultaneous.

In relational terms, this means there is self and there are others: not others as part of self, or for that matter self as merely part of others – both selfhood and otherness defining each other and taking the process further. I am what I am both in function of the traits I have and in function of the traits I do not have but see in others. On the face of it, my one self stands little chance amid increasing millions, billions... of others, all increasingly different in increasingly different ways. One can understand the perceived need to look after one’s self as a precious expression of oneness. Unfortunately it doesn’t work that way. We are all unique, hence being unique is actually what draws us all together: uniqueness is the commonest characteristic in the universe. The unique self is so in its element that it can take care of itself. Instead of ‘it’s all about me’, we can truly say and thrive on ‘it is all so NOT about me’. It is all about others and otherness: they are for real – except of course any who would exclude themselves from that reality.

This applies to the example of Bill Ryan and Avalonians, who are not reducible to mere sub-elements of BR, others as parts of self. The subject of our disagreement boils down to this very concept of the collective, and the discussion (or non-discussion) merely proved my point (to myself at least) in demonstrating how one is individualized, isolated and basically shown the door. This of course is nothing new to those here who have experienced the same thing, but it would appear that it has to be experienced first-hand. Each has to pass through a kind of turnstile to gather on the other side. I like how Nothing (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11414-What-Motivates-Bill-Ryan-of-Project-Avalon-Community-Forum?p=841979541&viewfull=1#post841979541)puts it: ‘just a test for individuals to pass on their way to becoming, aware’. A possible analogy might be culling the herd, but the one proposed was cell renewal: a forum is supposedly like a human body, which discards dead cells up to 100% in seven years. Here’s me thinking it was just a community of entire human beings, no reductionist analogies involved: some will come and go, others stay longer. Not just thinking this: actively working to make it happen. Meanwhile, BR combs out his dandruff...

I joined Avalon as a possible source of answers to questions raised in my... literary research. This involved a range of topics to be found on such sites: esoteric spirituality, the Maya... and things like, What does the word “cosmic” mean on a Nato document? (I had found the answer to that in a Camelot interview with Bob Dean.) This is otherness bordering on intrusion, but how many others will have similar stories. You soon notice the difference between joining a forum and joining a public library: you are dealing with people first, and information second. It is not a private blog, talking to maybe no one but oneself; it is not a private correspondence of just two people exchanging; it is a full-grown grapevine of multiplicity in action where no individual can take charge, claim control or otherwise determine what goes on in any substantial, meaningful way. You always get a whole lot more than you bargained for. And conversely, you always give a whole lot more than others bargained for. This is the fact of life that the manipulators deny, and their followers are victims of that denial.
This was for me a total reversal of perspective, for here were people with very real issues, while I had only fictitious inquiries of no importance – no importance, that is, until I adjusted my focus upon the people.

Good forum members are drawn in to mingle and led to stay on this basis of giving something (not everything) to some (not everyone) and taking something (not everything) from some (not everyone). They are not necessarily blinded by a cult. We have cultish practices all around us; if you want to do something different, you have to do so in the midst of all this cultishness – or at least as much of it as you can stand, at the risk of finding yourself intolerably alone. No analogies involved: if the above analogy were valid, then one would have to accept the body of Avalon having a collective soul and thereby allowing also for the ‘death’ of the ‘cell’ Bill Ryan. (Maybe it will never come to that, because he provides quality too.)

So we have two alternatives that can no longer be ignored. One alternative is this: Bill Ryan does not consider himself a cell of the body, but its owner, its soul, its puppet-master. However, when we consider his forum to have taken on a life of its own, we move into a well-known archetype: in reverse chronological order, you have Collodi’s puppet Pinocchio that comes to life and inevitably ‘misbehaves’; Pygmalion’s statue of Galatea; then going way back to whoever ‘created’ the human race: was it the Annunaki, claiming ownership, or some benevolent entity creating us for our own sake, in precisely the way we tend to bring up our own children? This marking precisely the dividing line between healthy behaviour and the behaviour of the bloodline family elite.

Hence there is a very clear divide right there that extends back in time to the year dot. Life itself is a ‘loose cannon’ spraying death on anyone unable to relinquish the illusion of possible control. Conversely, life showers gifts on anyone giving up that illusion. We are all at some stage in that process of learning to deal with life. And part of that process involves learning to distinguish between helps and hindrances. In theory Avalon should be a help, but for many, it would appear that Bill Ryan is proving a hindrance. That is what priests and gurus and authoritarian regimes do; they create bottlenecks. People used to pass through the Berlin Wall at Checkpoint Charlie, until they discovered they could clamber over wherever they pleased.

Returning to the body/cell analogy, the other – collective – view of the singular undying element – as opposed to its above-described self-perception – is as a foreign body. A piece of wartime shrapnel, for example, will survive all subsequent cell renewal and you will take it to the grave. Alternatively, a cancer cell or a virus may well take you to the grave. As we know, viruses get a good press these days (they are good press): whenever someone launches their little ‘it’s all about me’ bomb, it’s called ‘going viral’. What I am advocating is something rather different; we might call it ‘going virile’. Virility means manly strength – manly as opposed to virulent or predatory. Unfortunately two roots have become entwined. Virtus (virtue), originally manly excellence, and by extension all kinds of excellence –very much including specifically feminine excellence – became mixed up with virus, derived from a Sanskrit word for the venom of a poisonous serpent. The entanglement is actually rather worse, but that is enough for now.

Hence Jengelen’s snaky/unmanly transgender sideshow is actually very much on topic here. Even though any or many of the details may be wrong, we are truly seeing, not a desirable feminization of our macho society, but its effeminization. Bill Ryan is accused of preying on vulnerable females. I have no input as to the ‘preying’ side of the affair; what is obvious enough, however, is that he certainly hangs out a lot with vulnerable females. From his own apparent ‘all is self’ viewpoint, this would suggest that basically he is one himself. I am reminded of the intrepid hero Achilles, who didn’t want to fight the Trojan War, and went hiding among the skirts of some princesses. He didn’t want to fight because he had been told he would get killed, and that wasn’t in the script because, apart from that heel, he was supposed to be immortal. In other words, the hero of no-risk killing sprees chickened out.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/tintin-may-have-been-asexual-girl_uk_59c4d4d8e4b06ddf45f6f25d?utm_hp_ref=uk

My entire criticism of BilL Ryan can be summed up as a deficit of ‘virile’ courage. I just read something by a French writer about it being in human nature to beget a project and also to strangle it. What I mean by virility is the courage to beget a project and nurture it to fruition. That is feminine courage and masculine courage combined. It has to be a collective effort in order to work. This is not going to happen with Bill Ryan in charge, which is why he is now in my rearview mirror, about to disappear altogether from view. I am thinking TOT might yet achieve this goal. As an aside, I prefer the spelling ThOTh, but for reasons that have nothing to do with mythology or theology; simply, Thoth as the entity or principle behind our learning to read and write, which is our medium on these boards.

My problem with second-guessing motivations is that it is basically undecidable whether BR created a forum for good motives and then subverted it, or if it started out for perverse reasons and was positively subverted by certain contributors. None of us master the harm we can do while trying to act for the best. By the same token, none of us master the good we can do whatever our motives. For example, have I, by staying on at Avalon considerably longer than others here find acceptable, contributed to the harm caused to the vulnerable female segment of the population, or possibly done more good than harm? This is a question I cannot answer. I can only adjust my position instinctively in light of fresh data, and even then, even now, I cannot be sure this is for the best in any absolute way.

I have laboured for several weeks to produce this post, which I still find unsatisfactory but will share anyway. However, the point being that everything is inevitably so, it is perfect in its own imperfect way as a small step in a given desired direction. That direction is towards relief of pain. To the extent that Bill Ryan is a source of considerable pain, I have a further matter to discuss in another post. This post has been on the subject of motivation in the abstract, which may resonate for some. What follows is more concrete, which may possibly be persuasive for others.

araucaria
2nd October 2017, 14:25
The idea behind this second post is to tackle Bill Ryan in the open on his home turf, which I take to be providing an enabling platform for whistle-blowers. That at least is how he started out with Camelot. Since I stopped posting, the Pete Peterson business has come to bite him in the rear, but until now I haven’t had an opportunity to comment. It is shockingly not good enough to be apologizing only once found out that absolutely no due diligence was done in terms of checking credentials. It is counter-productive to be quoting the behaviour of Henry Deacon/Arthur Neumann as the perfect counter-example showing how things should be done. The honest reaction would have been, many years ago, to admit publicly, ‘If this is how it is done, then we slipped up badly with the other fellow.’ And take down the interview. And post a warning in its place.

Admittedly, it may seem a bit late for me to be talking. What happens is that we all focus on some of the things we find important; there are other things we also find important, but in a finite world, constraints of time and space mean that we cannot address every issue all at once. Meanwhile, some of these other things become urgent until they scream for immediate attention. What is urgent right now is to provide a contradictory reading of the Bill Ryan situation. Thank you for this thread, which has been doing precisely that. Below is the second of my two cents-worth, which is as timely as I can make it. ‘October the First is Too Late’ is the title of an SF novel by the astronomer Fred Hoyle; maybe not quite: I signed up at 11.17 on 1.10.17, bang on time if you ask me. I even answered 11 to a forward-looking question about the month of November.

Strangely, while I have little or no recall of anything Pete Peterson actually said, I do remember a few things said about his Camelot interview – notably the amount of off-the-record statements he made in addition to the on-the-record statements, the life-threatening nature of any lapses in this regard, and hence the need to submit the interview for clearance. Unsurprisingly, this approval never came, but the interview was published regardless. This whole scenario needs dismantling.

A few preliminary remarks.
An official spokesman is qualified to make controlled on-the-record statements revealing previously off-the-record material. Everyone else signing non-disclosure agreements has to treat info like apples and oranges in the Garden of Eden: you are welcome to make yourself sick on these oranges, but don’t you dare touch them apples!
A genuine insider respects this boundary to the best of his or her ability; but a leak may occur inadvertently, with an apparently harmless exchange possibly generating unforeseen results when applied to a different, outside, context. For example, while waiting at the photocopy machine, John Brandenburg shows his Mars xenon isotope material to a nuclear physicist waiting behind him, who blurts out, “Someone nuked them!”, and then on realizing the scale of his tiny mistake, promptly disappears (Death on Mars, p. 109). Brandenburg receives this cross-fertilizing insight, but he still has to do his homework. The actual disclosure is innocent enough in itself, and the leak is quickly mended; it only becomes a bombshell in this new other-worldly context.
A genuine whistleblower is someone who deliberately crosses this boundary, making controlled leaks revealing previously off-the-record material. A genuine whistleblower is, if not an intruding outsider, a former genuine insider who is not an official spokesman, but becomes a shadow spokesman with divided loyalties – their loyalty to their employer now comes second to their loyalty to society at large. Unfortunately their betrayal/illicit intrusion makes them pretty unbelievable: discredit (loss of reputation) leads to discredit (loss of credibility). The Trojan prophetess Cassandra was blessed with an ability to make correct predictions and cursed with universal incredulity.
A total hoaxer is a parody of the above, just a shadow speaking mostly for himself. A disinfo agent (willing or involuntary) is personally neither officially official nor genuinely genuine, and the same goes for their info. They produce a different kind of shadow, like projecting a rabbit on the wall with the hands in a given position: some parts may resemble fingers, but overall the illusion prevails.
Finally, there is the reporter, who listens to and passes on information from all the above sources, with various combinations of objectivity and commitment depending on where they lie on a spectrum ranging from the mainstream journalist to the alternative researcher. Note that objectivity and commitment are independent parameters, not opposite ends of a single continuous scale. In other words, greater commitment is not incompatible with greater objectivity, nor does a non-committal attitude guarantee such objectivity.

However, to add a little historical depth, one might further mention the category of witness. The Greek word is martyros, and the early Christian martyrs were witnesses to spiritual values who blew the whistle on the political elite who were suppressing disclosure in these matters. In those days, the only genuine whistleblower truly was a dead whistleblower, since martyrdom combined in a single event the act of disclosure (profession of faith) with the elimination of the witness. This was verging on suicide, and as suicide is often contagious, it soon became a public health issue only resolved at the Council of Nicaea, which established a basis for dealing with it without undermining the root cause. Suicidal martyrs are a public health issue to this day, as we all know, and are generally neither heroes nor villains: just victims.

Hence the true, deliberate whistle-blower, spouting forth and getting killed for it, would be a latter-day martyr. All very admirable, but you don’t assert the glory of life either by taking it or by losing it cheaply. We don’t want that kind of whistle-blower any more than we want jihadists: the real task is to combine witnessing with survival. There are of course people paying with their lives for speaking out: this is precisely why it is so shameful to be playing games while at the same time claiming to honour their memory. My preliminary conclusion on the Peterson situation is that in this case we have no martyrs: we have survivors bearing witness – so far so good – but their testimony is false. Bill Ryan admits that Peterson’s evidence is not credible, but fails to see how it reflects upon himself. His own act is equally fake, as is easily demonstrated (see below).

So where does Pete Peterson fit in with the above dramatis personae now that doubt has been cast on the value of his info? Doubt must also be cast on his requirement of submitting his interview for prior approval: it was tantamount to claiming status as an official spokesman. That was never going to happen regardless of whether his bona fides are phoney. Why? Because any genuine official disclosure would pass through the normal open channels, and he likely had no access to those channels anyway. Quite simply, if an agency has anything they want us to know, they have the front office to issue the necessary propaganda. No need for undercover agents. Propaganda by definition is issued loud and clear, far too loud and clear to be entirely true. However, the falsity of the front story does not make the undercover story necessarily true: to think otherwise is the definition of gullibility.

Hence the ‘on-the-record’ info was basically garbage. Any genuine whistle-blower info had to be the ‘off-the-record’ variety. In other words, Peterson was not blowing the whistle, he was holding out the whistle to Project Camelot, saying ‘Just blow it and you’re dead’. In other words, we don’t need to know the value of his data to know that he is a hero in the Achilles mould: when the going gets tough, he... passes the buck to Bill and Kerry, who, perfectly understandably, sit on the information. They don’t want to be martyrs, which means they don’t want to be whistle-blowers either. And that amounts to saying they are pretending, they are playing games, they are not for real, they are fakes. They are themselves withholding information that they claim to be an important part of a necessary disclosure. We don’t know how important it actually is, but it sure makes them look important.

The question of sanctions for overstepping prescribed limits then becomes somewhat academic. Kerry Cassidy, Bill Ryan once claimed, was nearly killed for publishing off-the-record material. He actually gave that as a major reason for their split. This claim also needs reviewing in light of the fact that said off-the-record material is now likely to be as worthless as the rest. Were the circumstances of this attack ever given? Did a bullet whistle past Kerry’s ear? Did she take a sip from a cup of coffee that tasted of bitter almonds? Did the brakes on her car fail? I don’t recall anything of that nature.

The thing about David Wilcock’s story is that he provided a garage bill as evidence that he did at least suffer some kind of mechanical failure. Regardless of what we make of this in real-life terms, it does make sense at the symbolic level. He was trying to stop doing whatever dangerous thing he was doing, but couldn’t, because his ‘braking system’ was faulty. It may be that he simply can’t drive. Going downhill, you brake very little, by relying on your engine brake, i.e. by staying in low gear. Too much ‘high octane speculation’ I reckon.
On the other hand, about the Kerry Cassidy accident – again unless I’m mistaken – we can say precisely nothing, rien, nada. To the point that some doubt even if there was ever a split in any real sense at all.

The question now becomes: who would kill in reprisal for disclosing as genuine, material from a hoaxer/disinfo agent? Answer: no one. The more the merrier. Let them do their worst.

The kindest possible interpretation of what, if anything, occurred is that Cassidy, perhaps like Wilcock on a previous occasion, was prey to a panic attack. This is a very real phenomenon. No one can be criticized for succumbing to such an experience. But the reality (the panic attack) is based on an illusion (it has a cause, but no concrete cause). Again, who was responsible: Peterson’s superiors? It turns out, as far as we know, he had none. Peterson himself? Really? The only real enemy seems to have been the equivalent of Wilcock’s undermaintained brakes.

The not-so-kind interpretation would be to repeat that they are pretending, they are playing games, they are not for real, they are fakes.

This story has a corollary, which might lead us somewhere in practical terms.
The corollary is this: if the alleged threat came through disclosing material from a whistle-blower as TRUE, then there is no reason for anyone to kill in reprisal for presenting material from a disinfo agent as FAKE. If Peterson is seen to be a freelance agent, then it should be possible for Camelot or Avalon to publish his off-the-record statements as disinfo with no fear of threat to life or limb, since the risk of reprisal was in all likelihood part of the disinfo. As I said above, if someone could kill, then who would that someone be? Not the usual suspects.

It would be useful indeed to know all the many things that are supposedly too secret to tell and yet probably false. This would be no betrayal of a private conversation. It would be an instance of the alternative researcher turning non-suicidal whistleblower. It could and should happen, but I am not holding my breath, because on previous form it would require quite a U-turn. It would also be useful to know what dangerous piece of information Kerry Cassidy let slip. That information is already public anyway, and since the danger has passed, it is a reasonable question to ask what it was, or alternatively what the reason might be for not answering that question. Once again, saying someone will get killed is no longer a credible response. It might be true, but it is not credible. The whistleblower community has painted itself into a corner.

The afore-mentioned previous form can be summarized as follows. Bill Ryan presents himself as a serious, committed reporter or alternative researcher. He has already admitted to being totally unserious (unprofessional or if you prefer, dangerously amateurish) in the basic matter of checking credentials. He is no reporter, but a fake newsman. He is not at all committed to the whistle-blower cause, since he declined to share what he had been told and is now prepared to throw Peterson under the bus at the first sign of trouble. And he is no researcher: had he done his homework to back up any of this stuff, as I explained John Brandenburg did, he would have discovered something to set off alarm bells. Maybe he did, but he never reported it; on the contrary, one may want to explore how much of his posting has been based on the lies. And finally he is no alternative researcher: whether deliberately or otherwise (I really don’t care either way), he is providing more mainstream entertainment, targetting and diverting an often vulnerable audience who are searching in deadly earnest.

The above is no more than a submission. If Bill Ryan is man enough to respond, I am prepared to back down on anything that he is able to explain more satisfactorily. But again, I am not holding my breath. On Avalon, he let his lady friends tell me he didn’t want me out. I pointed out that his silence spoke otherwise, since he hadn’t and wouldn’t say so himself. This he confirmed by maintaining his silence; nor did he respond to my criticisms, other than to say I needed to supply more evidence – which I did – again no response.

In a court of law, no defence is no defence: you are doing nothing to avoid being found guilty as charged. Internet forums are not a court of law. But then neither are they meant to administer justice; what they can and should be doing is warning users against abusers of any description. When a forum owner is accused of something, he can simply say (or silently express), Get out of here! If he is accused of something from a tiny forum like this one, he may think he can afford simply to ignore it. Silence is a fuzzy concept because no defence is sometimes the plea of the unconcerned innocent, although more often it is due to there being no possible adequate defence. Like an amber light that may mean stop and may mean go, silence may mean innocent and may mean guilty. It doesn’t mean undecidable. At an amber light, a decision is unavoidable one way or the other. Let’s see how Bill Ryan’s silence might be viewed as culpable.


Since the basic accusation is that he is a fake, pretending to be someone and do something he is not, most notably by holding info from Peterson allegedly at personal risk to his life, this amounts to pretending to play Russian roulette. How does this work? Well, I guess there are various ways of making sure that your empty chamber is lined up so that you can safely pull the trigger. That would be like publishing Peterson’s harmless on-the-record stuff. Or you can simply not pull the trigger at all. That would be like withholding Peterson’s unverified off-the-record stuff. I am suggesting a third solution: that these cartridges are blanks and so the trigger can safely be pulled. The only shred of credibility left to BR would then be to fire his revolver till empty, which he absolutely cannot do. Why? Because either he would publish nothing but provably dud info, or he would fire live ammunition only identifiable as such by the physical damage to himself. He would need the courage of a true witness to take that risk; it’s not going to happen.

This is what I mean by painting someone into a corner. He has set up an amber light that is neither red nor green: what do you do when you cannot go and you cannot stop? Float off right out of this reality into another dimension, I guess.

How might this work? How can idle conspiracy nonsense turn lethal? Umberto Eco’s 1988 novel Foucault’s Pendulum (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foucault%27s_Pendulum) describes how some publishers (nowadays it would be conspiracy site owners) end up very dead after making up additional material to sell in their catalogue. Hoist with their own petard is the phrase that comes to mind: they are killed by their over credulous readers who take it all seriously.

Eco is reported as saying that Dan Brown is a character in his novel. I submit that Bill Ryan is another. All these characters have a real life equivalent. Hence David Wilcock might well be genuinely afraid for his life. This is the part of the story that maybe comes closest to being real. Being personally on the side of life every time, I suggest that, to avoid the story-book ending, there is a life-giving way out for these people. Let them just desist from their present activities, and go and do some real, serious work – I recommend heavy labour. They really have no choice, because their once over credulous readers are dwindling in numbers, wising up and walking away. It is like reverse blackmail: you just stop cashing in, go away and nothing will happen to you.
Stop strangling your own project. Stop detracting/distracting from the main task at hand, which is to build up a community, a community of communities.

I said that this forum was a ‘tiny’ TOT. This was not meant disparagingly. On the contrary, you guys have built a solid base on which the forum can grow. I am here to assist in that process of ‘Together we make a difference’. – Important note (abusers beware): ‘together’ does NOT parse as ‘to get her’. – Coming alphabetically after TNT, TOT could be quite explosive...
:)

giovonni
2nd October 2017, 14:40
Hi Gio, good to be interacting again with you and some others. I gather you have a health issue; I am sure it will be resolved with all due haste.

I have no speculations to make about Bill Ryan’s motivations. As with anyone else, if one digs deep down through the endless layers of trauma and hurt and sickness that have afflicted humanity over eons, and turned victims into perpetrators, one will doubtless find them to be pure. That attitude is for myself. For the sake of others, however, I have to prefer a much more severe and pragmatic stance. When enough people independently reach the same conclusion identifying a particular source with too much harm to too many people, then it is time to do something.

As to my own motivations and late arrival on this board, I do have a bit of ’splainin’ to do, which reflects indirectly on BR. My last post on Avalon was on 5 July. From a public forum standpoint, I am just a member who hasn’t posted for a while. However, there was a disagreement with the forum owner which was promptly hidden in the members only section. I may or may not repost some of that material, I really don’t know. But it means my online presence is effectively a misrepresentation of who I am and what I am about. I enrolled here notably to correct that, but also of course in order to carry on where I left off. I have not retired from PA, mostly to maintain ready access to my personal intellectual property there, but since to post again would amount to backing off and toeing the line, I am not prepared to do that.

Regarding who I am, something has not changed: this is reflected in my keeping my earlier screen name. The araucaria input here carries on from the araucaria input over there, and defines a singular source, the individual human being at the keyboard. What has changed is my transfer of my activity from a forum that is dysfunctional as a community to one seemingly more aware of the problem, hence likely closer to finding a solution. The notion of the collective, the community, i.e. how we deal with the self/others dichotomy, being central to my thinking. I intend to start a thread on that subject in the near future.

I read a lot about the inadequacy of duality. If you don’t like duality, then you are in for a hard time, because duality is merely the beginner’s introduction to all-out multiplicity. And a harder time still if your answer is to go off crying for an immediate return to oneness with mother. Or if you short-circuit the open-ended dialectical process in a circular Problem-Reaction-Solution approach. Or if you are a slave to artificial intelligence, stuck in binary processing. We are actually dealing in fuzzy logic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuzzy_logic).
These forums are fuzzy sets (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set_theory#Axiomatic_set_theory) where ‘the degree of membership of a person in the set (...) is more flexible than a simple yes or no answer.’

The challenge of the universe is multiplicity out of oneness; you can work your way all the up to an ultimate creator of everything, but that challenge of dealing with multiplicity will still be the same at the very highest level. It may actually be that the ‘Creator’ has got itself as it were into a tight spot that only tiny finite beings can extricate it from. But this would only be a time-based way of saying that multiplicity is here to stay, and so are ‘we’. Intrication and extrication are timeless, i.e. ever simultaneous.

In relational terms, this means there is self and there are others: not others as part of self, or for that matter self as merely part of others – both selfhood and otherness defining each other and taking the process further. I am what I am both in function of the traits I have and in function of the traits I do not have but see in others. On the face of it, my one self stands little chance amid increasing millions, billions... of others, all increasingly different in increasingly different ways. One can understand the perceived need to look after one’s self as a precious expression of oneness. Unfortunately it doesn’t work that way. We are all unique, hence being unique is actually what draws us all together: uniqueness is the commonest characteristic in the universe. The unique self is so in its element that it can take care of itself. Instead of ‘it’s all about me’, we can truly say and thrive on ‘it is all so NOT about me’. It is all about others and otherness: they are for real – except of course any who would exclude themselves from that reality.

This applies to the example of Bill Ryan and Avalonians, who are not reducible to mere sub-elements of BR, others as parts of self. The subject of our disagreement boils down to this very concept of the collective, and the discussion (or non-discussion) merely proved my point (to myself at least) in demonstrating how one is individualized, isolated and basically shown the door. This of course is nothing new to those here who have experienced the same thing, but it would appear that it has to be experienced first-hand. Each has to pass through a kind of turnstile to gather on the other side. I like how Nothing (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11414-What-Motivates-Bill-Ryan-of-Project-Avalon-Community-Forum?p=841979541&viewfull=1#post841979541)puts it: ‘just a test for individuals to pass on their way to becoming, aware’. A possible analogy might be culling the herd, but the one proposed was cell renewal: a forum is supposedly like a human body, which discards dead cells up to 100% in seven years. Here’s me thinking it was just a community of entire human beings, no reductionist analogies involved: some will come and go, others stay longer. Not just thinking this: actively working to make it happen. Meanwhile, BR combs out his dandruff...

I joined Avalon as a possible source of answers to questions raised in my... literary research. This involved a range of topics to be found on such sites: esoteric spirituality, the Maya... and things like, What does the word “cosmic” mean on a Nato document? (I had found the answer to that in a Camelot interview with Bob Dean.) This is otherness bordering on intrusion, but how many others will have similar stories. You soon notice the difference between joining a forum and joining a public library: you are dealing with people first, and information second. It is not a private blog, talking to maybe no one but oneself; it is not a private correspondence of just two people exchanging; it is a full-grown grapevine of multiplicity in action where no individual can take charge, claim control or otherwise determine what goes on in any substantial, meaningful way. You always get a whole lot more than you bargained for. And conversely, you always give a whole lot more than others bargained for. This is the fact of life that the manipulators deny, and their followers are victims of that denial.
This was for me a total reversal of perspective, for here were people with very real issues, while I had only fictitious inquiries of no importance – no importance, that is, until I adjusted my focus upon the people.

Good forum members are drawn in to mingle and led to stay on this basis of giving something (not everything) to some (not everyone) and taking something (not everything) from some (not everyone). They are not necessarily blinded by a cult. We have cultish practices all around us; if you want to do something different, you have to do so in the midst of all this cultishness – or at least as much of it as you can stand, at the risk of finding yourself intolerably alone. No analogies involved: if the above analogy were valid, then one would have to accept the body of Avalon having a collective soul and thereby allowing also for the ‘death’ of the ‘cell’ Bill Ryan. (Maybe it will never come to that, because he provides quality too.)

So we have two alternatives that can no longer be ignored. One alternative is this: Bill Ryan does not consider himself a cell of the body, but its owner, its soul, its puppet-master. However, when we consider his forum to have taken on a life of its own, we move into a well-known archetype: in reverse chronological order, you have Collodi’s puppet Pinocchio that comes to life and inevitably ‘misbehaves’; Pygmalion’s statue of Galatea; then going way back to whoever ‘created’ the human race: was it the Annunaki, claiming ownership, or some benevolent entity creating us for our own sake, in precisely the way we tend to bring up our own children? This marking precisely the dividing line between healthy behaviour and the behaviour of the bloodline family elite.

Hence there is a very clear divide right there that extends back in time to the year dot. Life itself is a ‘loose cannon’ spraying death on anyone unable to relinquish the illusion of possible control. Conversely, life showers gifts on anyone giving up that illusion. We are all at some stage in that process of learning to deal with life. And part of that process involves learning to distinguish between helps and hindrances. In theory Avalon should be a help, but for many, it would appear that Bill Ryan is proving a hindrance. That is what priests and gurus and authoritarian regimes do; they create bottlenecks. People used to pass through the Berlin Wall at Checkpoint Charlie, until they discovered they could clamber over wherever they pleased.

Returning to the body/cell analogy, the other – collective – view of the singular undying element – as opposed to its above-described self-perception – is as a foreign body. A piece of wartime shrapnel, for example, will survive all subsequent cell renewal and you will take it to the grave. Alternatively, a cancer cell or a virus may well take you to the grave. As we know, viruses get a good press these days (they are good press): whenever someone launches their little ‘it’s all about me’ bomb, it’s called ‘going viral’. What I am advocating is something rather different; we might call it ‘going virile’. Virility means manly strength – manly as opposed to virulent or predatory. Unfortunately two roots have become entwined. Virtus (virtue), originally manly excellence, and by extension all kinds of excellence –very much including specifically feminine excellence – became mixed up with virus, derived from a Sanskrit word for the venom of a poisonous serpent. The entanglement is actually rather worse, but that is enough for now.

Hence Jengelen’s snaky/unmanly transgender sideshow is actually very much on topic here. Even though any or many of the details may be wrong, we are truly seeing, not a desirable feminization of our macho society, but its effeminization. Bill Ryan is accused of preying on vulnerable females. I have no input as to the ‘preying’ side of the affair; what is obvious enough, however, is that he certainly hangs out a lot with vulnerable females. From his own apparent ‘all is self’ viewpoint, this would suggest that basically he is one himself. I am reminded of the intrepid hero Achilles, who didn’t want to fight the Trojan War, and went hiding among the skirts of some princesses. He didn’t want to fight because he had been told he would get killed, and that wasn’t in the script because, apart from that heel, he was supposed to be immortal. In other words, the hero of no-risk killing sprees chickened out.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/tintin-may-have-been-asexual-girl_uk_59c4d4d8e4b06ddf45f6f25d?utm_hp_ref=uk

My entire criticism of BilL Ryan can be summed up as a deficit of ‘virile’ courage. I just read something by a French writer about it being in human nature to beget a project and also to strangle it. What I mean by virility is the courage to beget a project and nurture it to fruition. That is feminine courage and masculine courage combined. It has to be a collective effort in order to work. This is not going to happen with Bill Ryan in charge, which is why he is now in my rearview mirror, about to disappear altogether from view. I am thinking TOT might yet achieve this goal. As an aside, I prefer the spelling ThOTh, but for reasons that have nothing to do with mythology or theology; simply, Thoth as the entity or principle behind our learning to read and write, which is our medium on these boards.

My problem with second-guessing motivations is that it is basically undecidable whether BR created a forum for good motives and then subverted it, or if it started out for perverse reasons and was positively subverted by certain contributors. None of us master the harm we can do while trying to act for the best. By the same token, none of us master the good we can do whatever our motives. For example, have I, by staying on at Avalon considerably longer than others here find acceptable, contributed to the harm caused to the vulnerable female segment of the population, or possibly done more good than harm? This is a question I cannot answer. I can only adjust my position instinctively in light of fresh data, and even then, even now, I cannot be sure this is for the best in any absolute way.

I have laboured for several weeks to produce this post, which I still find unsatisfactory but will share anyway. However, the point being that everything is inevitably so, it is perfect in its own imperfect way as a small step in a given desired direction. That direction is towards relief of pain. To the extent that Bill Ryan is a source of considerable pain, I have a further matter to discuss in another post. This post has been on the subject of motivation in the abstract, which may resonate for some. What follows is more concrete, which may possibly be persuasive for others.


The idea behind this second post is to tackle Bill Ryan in the open on his home turf, which I take to be providing an enabling platform for whistle-blowers. That at least is how he started out with Camelot. Since I stopped posting, the Pete Peterson business has come to bite him in the rear, but until now I haven’t had an opportunity to comment. It is shockingly not good enough to be apologizing only once found out that absolutely no due diligence was done in terms of checking credentials. It is counter-productive to be quoting the behaviour of Henry Deacon/Arthur Neumann as the perfect counter-example showing how things should be done. The honest reaction would have been, many years ago, to admit publicly, ‘If this is how it is done, then we slipped up badly with the other fellow.’ And take down the interview. And post a warning in its place.

Admittedly, it may seem a bit late for me to be talking. What happens is that we all focus on some of the things we find important; there are other things we also find important, but in a finite world, constraints of time and space mean that we cannot address every issue all at once. Meanwhile, some of these other things become urgent until they scream for immediate attention. What is urgent right now is to provide a contradictory reading of the Bill Ryan situation. Thank you for this thread, which has been doing precisely that. Below is the second of my two cents-worth, which is as timely as I can make it. ‘October the First is Too Late’ is the title of an SF novel by the astronomer Fred Hoyle; maybe not quite: I signed up at 11.17 on 1.10.17, bang on time if you ask me. I even answered 11 to a forward-looking question about the month of November.

Strangely, while I have little or no recall of anything Pete Peterson actually said, I do remember a few things said about his Camelot interview – notably the amount of off-the-record statements he made in addition to the on-the-record statements, the life-threatening nature of any lapses in this regard, and hence the need to submit the interview for clearance. Unsurprisingly, this approval never came, but the interview was published regardless. This whole scenario needs dismantling.

A few preliminary remarks.
An official spokesman is qualified to make controlled on-the-record statements revealing previously off-the-record material. Everyone else signing non-disclosure agreements has to treat info like apples and oranges in the Garden of Eden: you are welcome to make yourself sick on these oranges, but don’t you dare touch them apples!
A genuine insider respects this boundary to the best of his or her ability; but a leak may occur inadvertently, with an apparently harmless exchange possibly generating unforeseen results when applied to a different, outside, context. For example, while waiting at the photocopy machine, John Brandenburg shows his Mars xenon isotope material to a nuclear physicist waiting behind him, who blurts out, “Someone nuked them!”, and then on realizing the scale of his tiny mistake, promptly disappears (Death on Mars, p. 109). Brandenburg receives this cross-fertilizing insight, but he still has to do his homework. The actual disclosure is innocent enough in itself, and the leak is quickly mended; it only becomes a bombshell in this new other-worldly context.
A genuine whistleblower is someone who deliberately crosses this boundary, making controlled leaks revealing previously off-the-record material. A genuine whistleblower is, if not an intruding outsider, a former genuine insider who is not an official spokesman, but becomes a shadow spokesman with divided loyalties – their loyalty to their employer now comes second to their loyalty to society at large. Unfortunately their betrayal/illicit intrusion makes them pretty unbelievable: discredit (loss of reputation) leads to discredit (loss of credibility). The Trojan prophetess Cassandra was blessed with an ability to make correct predictions and cursed with universal incredulity.
A total hoaxer is a parody of the above, just a shadow speaking mostly for himself. A disinfo agent (willing or involuntary) is personally neither officially official nor genuinely genuine, and the same goes for their info. They produce a different kind of shadow, like projecting a rabbit on the wall with the hands in a given position: some parts may resemble fingers, but overall the illusion prevails.
Finally, there is the reporter, who listens to and passes on information from all the above sources, with various combinations of objectivity and commitment depending on where they lie on a spectrum ranging from the mainstream journalist to the alternative researcher. Note that objectivity and commitment are independent parameters, not opposite ends of a single continuous scale. In other words, greater commitment is not incompatible with greater objectivity, nor does a non-committal attitude guarantee such objectivity.

However, to add a little historical depth, one might further mention the category of witness. The Greek word is martyros, and the early Christian martyrs were witnesses to spiritual values who blew the whistle on the political elite who were suppressing disclosure in these matters. In those days, the only genuine whistleblower truly was a dead whistleblower, since martyrdom combined in a single event the act of disclosure (profession of faith) with the elimination of the witness. This was verging on suicide, and as suicide is often contagious, it soon became a public health issue only resolved at the Council of Nicaea, which established a basis for dealing with it without undermining the root cause. Suicidal martyrs are a public health issue to this day, as we all know, and are generally neither heroes nor villains: just victims.

Hence the true, deliberate whistle-blower, spouting forth and getting killed for it, would be a latter-day martyr. All very admirable, but you don’t assert the glory of life either by taking it or by losing it cheaply. We don’t want that kind of whistle-blower any more than we want jihadists: the real task is to combine witnessing with survival. There are of course people paying with their lives for speaking out: this is precisely why it is so shameful to be playing games while at the same time claiming to honour their memory. My preliminary conclusion on the Peterson situation is that in this case we have no martyrs: we have survivors bearing witness – so far so good – but their testimony is false. Bill Ryan admits that Peterson’s evidence is not credible, but fails to see how it reflects upon himself. His own act is equally fake, as is easily demonstrated (see below).

So where does Pete Peterson fit in with the above dramatis personae now that doubt has been cast on the value of his info? Doubt must also be cast on his requirement of submitting his interview for prior approval: it was tantamount to claiming status as an official spokesman. That was never going to happen regardless of whether his bona fides are phoney. Why? Because any genuine official disclosure would pass through the normal open channels, and he likely had no access to those channels anyway. Quite simply, if an agency has anything they want us to know, they have the front office to issue the necessary propaganda. No need for undercover agents. Propaganda by definition is issued loud and clear, far too loud and clear to be entirely true. However, the falsity of the front story does not make the undercover story necessarily true: to think otherwise is the definition of gullibility.

Hence the ‘on-the-record’ info was basically garbage. Any genuine whistle-blower info had to be the ‘off-the-record’ variety. In other words, Peterson was not blowing the whistle, he was holding out the whistle to Project Camelot, saying ‘Just blow it and you’re dead’. In other words, we don’t need to know the value of his data to know that he is a hero in the Achilles mould: when the going gets tough, he... passes the buck to Bill and Kerry, who, perfectly understandably, sit on the information. They don’t want to be martyrs, which means they don’t want to be whistle-blowers either. And that amounts to saying they are pretending, they are playing games, they are not for real, they are fakes. They are themselves withholding information that they claim to be an important part of a necessary disclosure. We don’t know how important it actually is, but it sure makes them look important.

The question of sanctions for overstepping prescribed limits then becomes somewhat academic. Kerry Cassidy, Bill Ryan once claimed, was nearly killed for publishing off-the-record material. He actually gave that as a major reason for their split. This claim also needs reviewing in light of the fact that said off-the-record material is now likely to be as worthless as the rest. Were the circumstances of this attack ever given? Did a bullet whistle past Kerry’s ear? Did she take a sip from a cup of coffee that tasted of bitter almonds? Did the brakes on her car fail? I don’t recall anything of that nature.

The thing about David Wilcock’s story is that he provided a garage bill as evidence that he did at least suffer some kind of mechanical failure. Regardless of what we make of this in real-life terms, it does make sense at the symbolic level. He was trying to stop doing whatever dangerous thing he was doing, but couldn’t, because his ‘braking system’ was faulty. It may be that he simply can’t drive. Going downhill, you brake very little, by relying on your engine brake, i.e. by staying in low gear. Too much ‘high octane speculation’ I reckon.
On the other hand, about the Kerry Cassidy accident – again unless I’m mistaken – we can say precisely nothing, rien, nada. To the point that some doubt even if there was ever a split in any real sense at all.

The question now becomes: who would kill in reprisal for disclosing as genuine, material from a hoaxer/disinfo agent? Answer: no one. The more the merrier. Let them do their worst.

The kindest possible interpretation of what, if anything, occurred is that Cassidy, perhaps like Wilcock on a previous occasion, was prey to a panic attack. This is a very real phenomenon. No one can be criticized for succumbing to such an experience. But the reality (the panic attack) is based on an illusion (it has a cause, but no concrete cause). Again, who was responsible: Peterson’s superiors? It turns out, as far as we know, he had none. Peterson himself? Really? The only real enemy seems to have been the equivalent of Wilcock’s undermaintained brakes.

The not-so-kind interpretation would be to repeat that they are pretending, they are playing games, they are not for real, they are fakes.

This story has a corollary, which might lead us somewhere in practical terms.
The corollary is this: if the alleged threat came through disclosing material from a whistle-blower as TRUE, then there is no reason for anyone to kill in reprisal for presenting material from a disinfo agent as FAKE. If Peterson is seen to be a freelance agent, then it should be possible for Camelot or Avalon to publish his off-the-record statements as disinfo with no fear of threat to life or limb, since the risk of reprisal was in all likelihood part of the disinfo. As I said above, if someone could kill, then who would that someone be? Not the usual suspects.

It would be useful indeed to know all the many things that are supposedly too secret to tell and yet probably false. This would be no betrayal of a private conversation. It would be an instance of the alternative researcher turning non-suicidal whistleblower. It could and should happen, but I am not holding my breath, because on previous form it would require quite a U-turn. It would also be useful to know what dangerous piece of information Kerry Cassidy let slip. That information is already public anyway, and since the danger has passed, it is a reasonable question to ask what it was, or alternatively what the reason might be for not answering that question. Once again, saying someone will get killed is no longer a credible response. It might be true, but it is not credible. The whistleblower community has painted itself into a corner.

The afore-mentioned previous form can be summarized as follows. Bill Ryan presents himself as a serious, committed reporter or alternative researcher. He has already admitted to being totally unserious (unprofessional or if you prefer, dangerously amateurish) in the basic matter of checking credentials. He is no reporter, but a fake newsman. He is not at all committed to the whistle-blower cause, since he declined to share what he had been told and is now prepared to throw Peterson under the bus at the first sign of trouble. And he is no researcher: had he done his homework to back up any of this stuff, as I explained John Brandenburg did, he would have discovered something to set off alarm bells. Maybe he did, but he never reported it; on the contrary, one may want to explore how much of his posting has been based on the lies. And finally he is no alternative researcher: whether deliberately or otherwise (I really don’t care either way), he is providing more mainstream entertainment, targetting and diverting an often vulnerable audience who are searching in deadly earnest.

The above is no more than a submission. If Bill Ryan is man enough to respond, I am prepared to back down on anything that he is able to explain more satisfactorily. But again, I am not holding my breath. On Avalon, he let his lady friends tell me he didn’t want me out. I pointed out that his silence spoke otherwise, since he hadn’t and wouldn’t say so himself. This he confirmed by maintaining his silence; nor did he respond to my criticisms, other than to say I needed to supply more evidence – which I did – again no response.

In a court of law, no defence is no defence: you are doing nothing to avoid being found guilty as charged. Internet forums are not a court of law. But then neither are they meant to administer justice; what they can and should be doing is warning users against abusers of any description. When a forum owner is accused of something, he can simply say (or silently express), Get out of here! If he is accused of something from a tiny forum like this one, he may think he can afford simply to ignore it. Silence is a fuzzy concept because no defence is sometimes the plea of the unconcerned innocent, although more often it is due to there being no possible adequate defence. Like an amber light that may mean stop and may mean go, silence may mean innocent and may mean guilty. It doesn’t mean undecidable. At an amber light, a decision is unavoidable one way or the other. Let’s see how Bill Ryan’s silence might be viewed as culpable.


Since the basic accusation is that he is a fake, pretending to be someone and do something he is not, most notably by holding info from Peterson allegedly at personal risk to his life, this amounts to pretending to play Russian roulette. How does this work? Well, I guess there are various ways of making sure that your empty chamber is lined up so that you can safely pull the trigger. That would be like publishing Peterson’s harmless on-the-record stuff. Or you can simply not pull the trigger at all. That would be like withholding Peterson’s unverified off-the-record stuff. I am suggesting a third solution: that these cartridges are blanks and so the trigger can safely be pulled. The only shred of credibility left to BR would then be to fire his revolver till empty, which he absolutely cannot do. Why? Because either he would publish nothing but provably dud info, or he would fire live ammunition only identifiable as such by the physical damage to himself. He would need the courage of a true witness to take that risk; it’s not going to happen.

This is what I mean by painting someone into a corner. He has set up an amber light that is neither red nor green: what do you do when you cannot go and you cannot stop? Float off right out of this reality into another dimension, I guess.

How might this work? How can idle conspiracy nonsense turn lethal? Umberto Eco’s 1988 novel Foucault’s Pendulum (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foucault%27s_Pendulum) describes how some publishers (nowadays it would be conspiracy site owners) end up very dead after making up additional material to sell in their catalogue. Hoist with their own petard is the phrase that comes to mind: they are killed by their over credulous readers who take it all seriously.

Eco is reported as saying that Dan Brown is a character in his novel. I submit that Bill Ryan is another. All these characters have a real life equivalent. Hence David Wilcock might well be genuinely afraid for his life. This is the part of the story that maybe comes closest to being real. Being personally on the side of life every time, I suggest that, to avoid the story-book ending, there is a life-giving way out for these people. Let them just desist from their present activities, and go and do some real, serious work – I recommend heavy labour. They really have no choice, because their once over credulous readers are dwindling in numbers, wising up and walking away. It is like reverse blackmail: you just stop cashing in, go away and nothing will happen to you.
Stop strangling your own project. Stop detracting/distracting from the main task at hand, which is to build up a community, a community of communities.

I said that this forum was a ‘tiny’ TOT. This was not meant disparagingly. On the contrary, you guys have built a solid base on which the forum can grow. I am here to assist in that process of ‘Together we make a difference’. – Important note (abusers beware): ‘together’ does NOT parse as ‘to get her’. – Coming alphabetically after TNT, TOT could be quite explosive...
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Hi Gio, good to be interacting again with you and some others.

This post has been on the subject of motivation in the abstract, which may resonate for some. What follows is more concrete, which may possibly be persuasive for others.

A Hi/Five/Welcome Araucaria

Thank you for joining us all here at the TOT forum !

Your posts are truly 'a visual feast to the eyes and the mind' ...

Please give us some time to take it all in ... :spinning:

Blessings Gio

Fred Steeves
2nd October 2017, 15:12
Hi there Araucaria,

Pleasant surprise seeing you over here. I saw your name down below as a new member, and was curious what you were going to be about.

In all honesty I never read many of your posts, well, very far anyway, because I just don't generally like to read voluminous posts. However, I *was* privy to what was contained in that Members Only thread, and found it most interesting. It's always nice to see the light bulb in the head turning on like it did for you, and there really wasn't a lot of wiggle room for Bill to try and respond to any of it. If he won't respond to what you said there, he certainly won't be respond to anything you say here. He has an awful lot to answer for, and the 5th Amendment is his greatest friend.

He certainly isn't the only one in this community that has much to answer for, but he *is* a great poster child for the rampant deceptions.

And yes, to learn the unique lessons he and others like him have to offer, are incredibly valuable. It truly is an initiation of sorts. Nothing was right on with that.

Cheers

NotAPretender
2nd October 2017, 15:34
"The kindest possible interpretation of what, if anything, occurred is that Cassidy, perhaps like Wilcock on a previous occasion, was prey to a panic attack. This is a very real phenomenon. No one can be criticized for succumbing to such an experience. But the reality (the panic attack) is based on an illusion (it has a cause, but no concrete cause). Again, who was responsible: Peterson’s superiors? It turns out, as far as we know, he had none. Peterson himself? Really? The only real enemy seems to have been the equivalent of Wilcock’s undermaintained brakes."

Martin Heidegger would characterize the panic attack as 'active Nothinging'. Seems quite appropriate!

Dreamtimer
2nd October 2017, 17:21
Welcome Auracaria, so good to have you here. I look forward to your posts and the richness therein.:chrs:(welcome)

Aragorn
2nd October 2017, 21:02
[...]

As to my own motivations and late arrival on this board, I do have a bit of ’splainin’ to do, which reflects indirectly on BR. My last post on Avalon was on 5 July. From a public forum standpoint, I am just a member who hasn’t posted for a while. However, there was a disagreement with the forum owner which was promptly hidden in the members only section. I may or may not repost some of that material, I really don’t know. But it means my online presence is effectively a misrepresentation of who I am and what I am about. I enrolled here notably to correct that, but also of course in order to carry on where I left off. I have not retired from PA, mostly to maintain ready access to my personal intellectual property there, but since to post again would amount to backing off and toeing the line, I am not prepared to do that.

Regarding who I am, something has not changed: this is reflected in my keeping my earlier screen name. The araucaria input here carries on from the araucaria input over there, and defines a singular source, the individual human being at the keyboard. What has changed is my transfer of my activity from a forum that is dysfunctional as a community to one seemingly more aware of the problem, hence likely closer to finding a solution. The notion of the collective, the community, i.e. how we deal with the self/others dichotomy, being central to my thinking. I intend to start a thread on that subject in the near future.

[...]

Thank you for two very well-written posts full of insightful contemplations, Araucaria. You've now conditioned us to want more. By all means, keep it coming! ;)


Now, with that out of the way...



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enjoy being
3rd October 2017, 00:20
Maybe he resents not being ridiculed on TV like David Icke. I presume Davids site still has a forum, it would be one of the longest running if so.
Kind of different though, comparing the two englishmen. One is actually an active researcher and has some fame. The other is just some small fry in comparison who has never really published much of true worth.
Not that by any way am I any sort of David Icke fan... Just enjoying highlighting the actual calibre of contribution vs the attention given, which I find a little bewildering.

donk
3rd October 2017, 00:37
Strangely, while I have little or no recall of anything Pete Peterson actually said, I do remember a few things said about his Camelot interview – notably the amount of off-the-record statements he made in addition to the on-the-record statements

I remember two things about it:

1. David Wilcock was there (and barely really around BR or PA before or since...if at all)
2. It was most of the most vocal around PA during my time (and I've even since...right up til recently) referring to it as the most compelling of the "groundbreaking work" Bill and Kerry did


Bill Ryan presents himself as a serious, committed reporter or alternative researcher. He has already admitted to being totally unserious (unprofessional or if you prefer, dangerously amateurish) in the basic matter of checking credentials. He is no reporter, but a fake newsman. He is not at all committed to the whistle-blower cause, since he declined to share what he had been told and is now prepared to throw Peterson under the bus at the first sign of trouble.

I disagree...I think it took him a minute...and Peterson's image REALLY melting down faster than Wilcock's....to start his 180 on ol' Pete. I can't imagine it was easy for him to admit he made a mistake, especially of that scale...that was shocking to me. But I have seen a ton of peeps praising that interview and the "intel" PP brought to the table, right up til when he started appearing on Gaia.

I also disagree BR's JUST a "fake newsman"...intentional or not, he's a "fake whistleblower creator", that's why I insist on continuing to share my experiences with him. It's a pattern and I like discussing it with people who hopped on (and got off) the Bill wagon at various times, whether it be Serpo, Charles, Inelia, Corey, or whoever. I even saw him take a little credit for Wilcock getting a popularity boost.


This is what I mean by painting someone into a corner. He has set up an amber light that is neither red nor green: what do you do when you cannot go and you cannot stop? Float off right out of this reality into another dimension, I guess.

Heh...nice one...I once painted Bill in a corner, over his handling of LRon's OT3, which he shut down any attempt of conservation about and outright hid (to protect us), in his "open forum" where science and spirituality supposedly met, in a "safe" place to discuss EVERYTHING.

That's when I stopped enabling and started trying to hold him to his own standards. He didn't like my ways...even followed me here to tell me how irresponsible I was being putting people in danger, even suggested that my posting the document he described as entity infested (CG's wife read my story I think :eyebrows:) may have been the cause of the MS attack I got that lead to the diagnosis I had revealed there. Whatever his motives, he's a strange duck

Anyways, great posts. Nice to see you here.

enjoy being
3rd October 2017, 00:39
And the Pete Peterson one I have no interest in touching that tarbaby. I remember the name back several years, there were a few completely absurd names they came up with and that was one in which I chuckled and clicked 'Next'.
From the gist of things reading above, regards KC an'all, sounds like another wind up.
Wasn't it in the 'other BR' thread where Kerry Cassidy, and the Australian, and DW, were shown up as faking a death threat?

sandy
3rd October 2017, 05:59
araucaria >>>Welcome aboard the good ship TOT :chrs:

araucaria
3rd October 2017, 10:13
In all honesty I never read many of your posts, well, very far anyway, because I just don't generally like to read voluminous posts. However, I *was* privy to what was contained in that Members Only thread, and found it most interesting. It's always nice to see the light bulb in the head turning on like it did for you,

Thank you Fred and others for your welcome and comments. I do not see this as a kind of ‘Road to Damascus’ moment. I mentioned traffic lights. What has happened is no more than a bump at a crossroads: I nearly missed my turn-off, and BR didn’t see me coming through an amber light. I am on the same bumpy journey as before.

As evidence of continuity, the long post issue was actually part of the ‘discussion’ at PA. BR was thanking my long posts almost up to the day when he decided he’d had enough. When I say he didn’t see me coming, I mean he was thanking stuff he hadn’t really read or fully understood. Maybe he is going senile, but there is more to it. What I see is an adept of the short post. This is where it gets cultish.

Short messages are great for conveying already-formed ideas, but pretty useless for accompanying the thinking process per se. I can tell you via twitter that the answer to Life, the Universe and Everything is 42, but unless you ask to read the thousands... of pages of calculations in fine print, it becomes a magic formula, a religious dogma to accept or reject, or a joke. Bill Ryan says things like 42 with utter conviction, and is often met with equal certainty, but there is no fine print to back it up. It was a matter of time until he clashed with someone doing something very different. But these accidents do take time: just how long is ultimately irrelevant. I had been a thorn in Bill Ryan’s side for quite some time, but I didn’t really start noticing until he became one for me. I don’t agree that I was in the wrong place; it was a place where, even in hindsight, I could possibly have been of help.

A long post is actually only a couple of pages of printed text; it is not a 400-page book. In mine, you get to see the thought process in action, falsifiable: exposed to criticism, disagreement and/or improvement. In other words, my process is part of a bigger, joint process – working ‘together’. This collaboration is possible because for all its length, it is imperfect and incomplete. This is in total opposition to the current conventional wisdom whereby anything that cannot be said in 140 characters, or maybe a few multiples thereof, is not worth saying. There is a great deal that will only be found in all those 400-page books. If you don’t study some of those as well, you are short-changing yourself. :)

The more one reads/writes, the more one tends towards doubt and reticence on every subject. To put it another way, things fade into unimportance. BR’s favourite word is ‘important’: it makes me cringe. Over the summer, I turned my desk round to face the other way. Has this fresh perspective changed my thinking? I can see a couple of trees I couldn’t see before: maybe I can channel them! Well probably not; the idea was simply to move a little closer to the radiator. Utterly insignificant – or seemingly so, like the fine print people ignore at their peril.

Fred Steeves
3rd October 2017, 12:05
Short messages are great for conveying already-formed ideas, but pretty useless for accompanying the thinking process per se.

Ha ha ha, you and Aragorn should get along great in the essay department! :p

Me personally, I am hoping one day to gain such a thorough understaing of the meaning of life, that it can be freely expressed in the form of a parable.

P.S.

Aragorn you know I love you man, just razzin ya a bit.

My apologies, back to topic.

Dreamtimer
3rd October 2017, 12:17
It seems to me that the substance rather than the size of a post is what matters. Being concise is nice. But certainly not the only way. I like the opportunity to see the thought processes. (or lack thereof)

I like how you didn't know he was a thorn in your side until you were one in his. It shows, to me, how you were being you, and doing what you were there to do. For him on the other hand, you weren't being the kind of instrument that he wanted. Shame, he ends up missing value that's right in front of him.

donk
3rd October 2017, 12:29
I mentioned in this thread (and elsewhere) I thought one of Bill's main motivations is to be seen as IMPORTANT within the community.

It's sort of a trying to get to the front of the line of "researchers" (and posters and youtubers) falling all over each to try to show lies and logical errors in the stories anyone getting attention (importance?) with their tales. It was distressing to me at first to see how much the "community" seemed to like and even need the obvious stated for them, but it looks now like it's all gotten so silly that most can see any "whistleblower" testimony can at best be talked in circles about and in most cases just shit upon

So the "important" peeps all start blowing each other over their superior discernment and "research methods" and interview skills and compare themselves to Richard Dolan, as if he's ever brought any clarity to anything. It's been a slow motion train wreck watching the "community" go from something try to hold the veneer of "scienctific method" and logic and discernment to blue bird/beam stories that started once upon a time in a Project not so far way

It would be kinda comical if it wasn't so tragic and frustrating. My biggest problem with him was not the flaws in character I would often point out, but with what I saw as direct insults to my intelligence with some of the crap he pulled, and his forum enables. I think you (and carmody) were important to him in order to make him look/feel smart...right up til he started realizing that in the depths (it's not the length of your posts that is difficult for most people, I think) of your writing you exposed he ain't as sharp or smart or discerning or logically sound as he likes to appear

Dumpster Diver
3rd October 2017, 16:23
Welcome Araucaria. I surprised myself by reading your posts. As a short attention span ne’er do well, it is an accomplishment for me. I’ll post something in future on it for Donk to disparage, to be sure.

I’ll say just one thing now, though, mostly for the Donkster. I think it unfortunate we tend to focus on personalities rather than ideas. I still think our biggest concern should be the chaotic sun and it’s affect on the planet. Yes, I know DW talks about it all the time, but no one has postulated any counter information, just ad hominems against Will-talk-about-his-cock. I’m concerned that he has presented a lot of info backing it from all sorts of religious and historical documents and has several other folks along with several sun scientists making noises in the same direction.

Donk will respond below re: thread derailing.

araucaria
3rd October 2017, 19:49
I think it unfortunate we tend to focus on personalities rather than ideas. I still think our biggest concern should be the chaotic sun and it’s affect on the planet.
Hi there Dumpster Diver, nice to meet you (or am I supposed to know you from elsewhere? :))

I intend to get off this thread and do my own thing just as soon as new members are allowed to. Regarding the chaotic sun, Richard Michael Pasichnyk explains in The Vital Vastness how, contrary to common belief, the Sun’s activity actually lags behind whatever is happening on Earth. This would mean that earthquakes are not so much an effect of solar activity as a cause. The simple conclusion is that we just need to start behaving and the Sun will respond accordingly.
http://www.livingcosmos.com/vital.htm

To understand how this would work, imagine a kind of reverse astrology. We all know what various aspects of Mars do to us. It is a kind of self-fulfilling prophecy until we decide that we’ve had enough of this. If enough people were to snap out of it, then ‘Mars’ would be forced to behave less belligerently in return, and everyone would get to benefit from it. Has it ever occurred to you what the astrological role of Earth might be on another planet? I imagine it is a mixture of very sweet and absolutely horrid. People are easy to get on with when they are nice, and horrendous when they turn nasty. The Sun and the planets are probably no different.

Joseph Farrell in Cosmic War is very much into ultra-sophisticated weaponry and technology. Yet when he describes how the power-giving 'Tablets of Destiny' had to be rewritten after the explosion of a planet, it strikes me what he is talking about is astrology. All the different transits and aspects would have changed and needed recalibrating. This is extremely low-tech, highly explosive magic. Next time you see old grumpy in the mirror, just smile at him and see how he changes: you will feel much better for it. The rest is simply a change of scale. Let’s work at our own human scale and let the pantograph (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantograph)do its work.

NotAPretender
3rd October 2017, 19:59
For Whatever It's Worth:

I concluded many years ago that Earth's influence is the herd instinct and I mean that in a good way. (I just wanted to avoid the 'community' word again) Herding is how species thrive. In a very natural sense it provides the best protection against predators. The problem attendant with that is recognizing the predator.

Paloma
3rd October 2017, 20:52
I was on a Wingmakers forum years ago where people did experiments directing sun activity with their minds. And lo and behold.... I couldn't believe it at the time, but have since then come across many more pieces of evidence that it is possible. Earth is a consciousness hub.
We are It. The power of "I am" becomes magnified with "We are!"

Dumpster Diver
3rd October 2017, 21:02
Hi there Dumpster Diver, nice to meet you (or am I supposed to know you from elsewhere? :))

I intend to get off this thread and do my own thing just as soon as new members are allowed to. Regarding the chaotic sun, Richard Michael Pasichnyk explains in The Vital Vastness how, contrary to common belief, the Sun’s activity actually lags behind whatever is happening on Earth. This would mean that earthquakes are not so much an effect of solar activity as a cause. The simple conclusion is that we just need to start behaving and the Sun will respond accordingly.
http://www.livingcosmos.com/vital.htm

To understand how this would work, imagine a kind of reverse astrology. We all know what various aspects of Mars do to us. It is a kind of self-fulfilling prophecy until we decide that we’ve had enough of this. If enough people were to snap out of it, then ‘Mars’ would be forced to behave less belligerently in return, and everyone would get to benefit from it. Has it ever occurred to you what the astrological role of Earth might be on another planet? I imagine it is a mixture of very sweet and absolutely horrid. People are easy to get on with when they are nice, and horrendous when they turn nasty. The Sun and the planets are probably no different.

Joseph Farrell in Cosmic War is very much into ultra-sophisticated weaponry and technology. Yet when he describes how the power-giving 'Tablets of Destiny' had to be rewritten after the explosion of a planet, it strikes me what he is talking about is astrology. All the different transits and aspects would have changed and needed recalibrating. This is extremely low-tech, highly explosive magic. Next time you see old grumpy in the mirror, just smile at him and see how he changes: you will feel much better for it. The rest is simply a change of scale. Let’s work at our own human scale and let the pantograph (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantograph)do its work.

Well, I'm not a waif washed in from the shores of Avalon if that is what you are asking. I lurk there, but never post under this name. After being amazed that Darth Hatman and Kerry (now claiming to be a MILAB, of all things) got away with what they did initially in Project Camelot (this now increasingly seems to be misinformation packed amongst items viewed by the community as "verified"), I now see Camelot and The Avalon Koolaid-Kult to be two ventures of an alt-world directed psyop.

As for the sun, I have personal experience of the sun getting hotter due to my observations. This, coupled with DW's observations and that of Ben Davidson's (http://www.suspicious0bservers.org) along with a number of Ben's crowd (all not linked with DW in any way that I can tell) leads me to believe the Sun getting hotter (and more chaotic) is the real reason for Global Warming and for the massive coverup by Darth Hatman's leash-holders, i.e. Deep State in some form.

NotAPretender
3rd October 2017, 21:16
well, planetary temperatures in the Sol system have been increasing but that's a whole 'nuther story...


I was on a Wingmakers forum years ago where people did experiments directing sun activity with their minds. And lo and behold.... I couldn't believe it at the time, but have since then come across many more pieces of evidence that it is possible. Earth is a consciousness hub.
We are It. The power of "I am" becomes magnified with "We are!"

well, you know that makes sense as we are ostensibly the only intelligent species in the immediate vicinity...

Dreamtimer
4th October 2017, 14:47
I intend to get off this thread and do my own thing just as soon as new members are allowed to.

I'm pretty sure there's no probation period or any such thing. You are free to do your own thing as you are able.

Outlander
5th October 2017, 09:24
I intend to get off this thread and do my own thing just as soon as new members are allowed to.


I'm pretty sure there's no probation period or any such thing. You are free to do your own thing as you are able.

Foxy - Get Off

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19UFDGp92Tc

giovonni
5th October 2017, 16:36
:tiphat:

https://boards.420chan.org/vroom/src/1456195467558.jpg

:back to topic:

PS ~ Let's not forget Bill Ryan's cultivation of his moderation team ...
Forum members who seem to transform after becoming part of his staff ???

Fred Steeves
5th October 2017, 17:36
PS ~ Let's not forget Bill Ryan's cultivation of his moderation team ...
Forum members who seem to transform after becoming part of his staff ???

Interesting Gio, yes that does happen. When they approached me with Bill's new idea about having an official front door greeter (must have been 20012/13), it of course wasn't a mod position, but it definitely *was* being part of the team. And yes it did make me even more fervently loyal for a few months, but then being so much closer to things also made me pay closer attention to things.

That's when I began to notice certain things weren't as they seemed, or as they should be. And the more my concerns were summarily dismissed, the more I knew something really was indeed wrong. So, being part of the team can also have the opposite effect. Very rare though...

giovonni
5th October 2017, 17:44
Interesting Gio, yes that does happen. When they approached me with Bill's new idea about having an official front door greeter, it of course wasn't a mod position, but it definitely *was* being part of the team. And yes it did make me even more fervently loyal for a few months, but then being so much closer to things also made me pay closer attention to things.

That's when I began to notice certain things weren't as they seemed, or as they should be. And the more my concerns were summarily dismissed, the more I knew something really was indeed wrong. So, being part of the team can also have the opposite effect. Very rare though...

Yes indeedy ...

I am about to go out the door now ...
But will add some commentary in regards to this issue later ...

Note while keeping it within the realm of observing these members personal privacy ...
Since they are (all) for most part are non public personages ... :)

Dumpster Diver
5th October 2017, 17:57
Interesting Gio, yes that does happen. When they approached me with Bill's new idea about having an official front door greeter (must have been 20012/13), it of course wasn't a mod position, but it definitely *was* being part of the team. And yes it did make me even more fervently loyal for a few months, but then being so much closer to things also made me pay closer attention to things.

That's when I began to notice certain things weren't as they seemed, or as they should be. And the more my concerns were summarily dismissed, the more I knew something really was indeed wrong. So, being part of the team can also have the opposite effect. Very rare though...

So, BR steals ideas from Walmart as well.

NotAPretender
5th October 2017, 21:38
Foxy - Get Off

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19UFDGp92Tc

wow...they be jammin'

giovonni
6th October 2017, 01:21
Yes indeedy ...

I am about to go out the door now ...
But will add some commentary in regards to this issue later ...

Note while keeping it within the realm of observing these members personal privacy ...
Since they are (all) for most part are non public personages ... :)

While spending a good amount of time typing out my feelings and insights on all this BR conjecture this afternoon ... I've decided it would not be in anyone that's involved best interest, if i open the flood gates to what i know and feel ... Through it was a very good cathartic exercise, putting it all into words.

Noting there are individuals who i admire over at Avalon, I don't want to burst anyone (s) bubble publicly... So instead of posting my feelings and findings openly here, I will do so in private with them ... I have no desire to really take down Bill Ryan, because i sense he will eventually accomplish that all by himself.

Saying all that - While noticing this thread seems to be gravitating back and forth from eloquent to silly -
What would be the point in waste/sharing it all here ...

And knowing - John (araucaria) gave an excellent account in how bad things
really have evolved at Bill Ryan's Avalon - what else could be adequate.

giovonni
6th October 2017, 05:53
So i will bump these two companion posts ...


Hi Gio, good to be interacting again with you and some others. I gather you have a health issue; I am sure it will be resolved with all due haste.

I have no speculations to make about Bill Ryan’s motivations. As with anyone else, if one digs deep down through the endless layers of trauma and hurt and sickness that have afflicted humanity over eons, and turned victims into perpetrators, one will doubtless find them to be pure. That attitude is for myself. For the sake of others, however, I have to prefer a much more severe and pragmatic stance. When enough people independently reach the same conclusion identifying a particular source with too much harm to too many people, then it is time to do something.

As to my own motivations and late arrival on this board, I do have a bit of ’splainin’ to do, which reflects indirectly on BR. My last post on Avalon was on 5 July. From a public forum standpoint, I am just a member who hasn’t posted for a while. However, there was a disagreement with the forum owner which was promptly hidden in the members only section. I may or may not repost some of that material, I really don’t know. But it means my online presence is effectively a misrepresentation of who I am and what I am about. I enrolled here notably to correct that, but also of course in order to carry on where I left off. I have not retired from PA, mostly to maintain ready access to my personal intellectual property there, but since to post again would amount to backing off and toeing the line, I am not prepared to do that.

Regarding who I am, something has not changed: this is reflected in my keeping my earlier screen name. The araucaria input here carries on from the araucaria input over there, and defines a singular source, the individual human being at the keyboard. What has changed is my transfer of my activity from a forum that is dysfunctional as a community to one seemingly more aware of the problem, hence likely closer to finding a solution. The notion of the collective, the community, i.e. how we deal with the self/others dichotomy, being central to my thinking. I intend to start a thread on that subject in the near future.

I read a lot about the inadequacy of duality. If you don’t like duality, then you are in for a hard time, because duality is merely the beginner’s introduction to all-out multiplicity. And a harder time still if your answer is to go off crying for an immediate return to oneness with mother. Or if you short-circuit the open-ended dialectical process in a circular Problem-Reaction-Solution approach. Or if you are a slave to artificial intelligence, stuck in binary processing. We are actually dealing in fuzzy logic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuzzy_logic).
These forums are fuzzy sets (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set_theory#Axiomatic_set_theory) where ‘the degree of membership of a person in the set (...) is more flexible than a simple yes or no answer.’

The challenge of the universe is multiplicity out of oneness; you can work your way all the up to an ultimate creator of everything, but that challenge of dealing with multiplicity will still be the same at the very highest level. It may actually be that the ‘Creator’ has got itself as it were into a tight spot that only tiny finite beings can extricate it from. But this would only be a time-based way of saying that multiplicity is here to stay, and so are ‘we’. Intrication and extrication are timeless, i.e. ever simultaneous.

In relational terms, this means there is self and there are others: not others as part of self, or for that matter self as merely part of others – both selfhood and otherness defining each other and taking the process further. I am what I am both in function of the traits I have and in function of the traits I do not have but see in others. On the face of it, my one self stands little chance amid increasing millions, billions... of others, all increasingly different in increasingly different ways. One can understand the perceived need to look after one’s self as a precious expression of oneness. Unfortunately it doesn’t work that way. We are all unique, hence being unique is actually what draws us all together: uniqueness is the commonest characteristic in the universe. The unique self is so in its element that it can take care of itself. Instead of ‘it’s all about me’, we can truly say and thrive on ‘it is all so NOT about me’. It is all about others and otherness: they are for real – except of course any who would exclude themselves from that reality.

This applies to the example of Bill Ryan and Avalonians, who are not reducible to mere sub-elements of BR, others as parts of self. The subject of our disagreement boils down to this very concept of the collective, and the discussion (or non-discussion) merely proved my point (to myself at least) in demonstrating how one is individualized, isolated and basically shown the door. This of course is nothing new to those here who have experienced the same thing, but it would appear that it has to be experienced first-hand. Each has to pass through a kind of turnstile to gather on the other side. I like how Nothing (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11414-What-Motivates-Bill-Ryan-of-Project-Avalon-Community-Forum?p=841979541&viewfull=1#post841979541)puts it: ‘just a test for individuals to pass on their way to becoming, aware’. A possible analogy might be culling the herd, but the one proposed was cell renewal: a forum is supposedly like a human body, which discards dead cells up to 100% in seven years. Here’s me thinking it was just a community of entire human beings, no reductionist analogies involved: some will come and go, others stay longer. Not just thinking this: actively working to make it happen. Meanwhile, BR combs out his dandruff...

I joined Avalon as a possible source of answers to questions raised in my... literary research. This involved a range of topics to be found on such sites: esoteric spirituality, the Maya... and things like, What does the word “cosmic” mean on a Nato document? (I had found the answer to that in a Camelot interview with Bob Dean.) This is otherness bordering on intrusion, but how many others will have similar stories. You soon notice the difference between joining a forum and joining a public library: you are dealing with people first, and information second. It is not a private blog, talking to maybe no one but oneself; it is not a private correspondence of just two people exchanging; it is a full-grown grapevine of multiplicity in action where no individual can take charge, claim control or otherwise determine what goes on in any substantial, meaningful way. You always get a whole lot more than you bargained for. And conversely, you always give a whole lot more than others bargained for. This is the fact of life that the manipulators deny, and their followers are victims of that denial.
This was for me a total reversal of perspective, for here were people with very real issues, while I had only fictitious inquiries of no importance – no importance, that is, until I adjusted my focus upon the people.

Good forum members are drawn in to mingle and led to stay on this basis of giving something (not everything) to some (not everyone) and taking something (not everything) from some (not everyone). They are not necessarily blinded by a cult. We have cultish practices all around us; if you want to do something different, you have to do so in the midst of all this cultishness – or at least as much of it as you can stand, at the risk of finding yourself intolerably alone. No analogies involved: if the above analogy were valid, then one would have to accept the body of Avalon having a collective soul and thereby allowing also for the ‘death’ of the ‘cell’ Bill Ryan. (Maybe it will never come to that, because he provides quality too.)

So we have two alternatives that can no longer be ignored. One alternative is this: Bill Ryan does not consider himself a cell of the body, but its owner, its soul, its puppet-master. However, when we consider his forum to have taken on a life of its own, we move into a well-known archetype: in reverse chronological order, you have Collodi’s puppet Pinocchio that comes to life and inevitably ‘misbehaves’; Pygmalion’s statue of Galatea; then going way back to whoever ‘created’ the human race: was it the Annunaki, claiming ownership, or some benevolent entity creating us for our own sake, in precisely the way we tend to bring up our own children? This marking precisely the dividing line between healthy behaviour and the behaviour of the bloodline family elite.

Hence there is a very clear divide right there that extends back in time to the year dot. Life itself is a ‘loose cannon’ spraying death on anyone unable to relinquish the illusion of possible control. Conversely, life showers gifts on anyone giving up that illusion. We are all at some stage in that process of learning to deal with life. And part of that process involves learning to distinguish between helps and hindrances. In theory Avalon should be a help, but for many, it would appear that Bill Ryan is proving a hindrance. That is what priests and gurus and authoritarian regimes do; they create bottlenecks. People used to pass through the Berlin Wall at Checkpoint Charlie, until they discovered they could clamber over wherever they pleased.

Returning to the body/cell analogy, the other – collective – view of the singular undying element – as opposed to its above-described self-perception – is as a foreign body. A piece of wartime shrapnel, for example, will survive all subsequent cell renewal and you will take it to the grave. Alternatively, a cancer cell or a virus may well take you to the grave. As we know, viruses get a good press these days (they are good press): whenever someone launches their little ‘it’s all about me’ bomb, it’s called ‘going viral’. What I am advocating is something rather different; we might call it ‘going virile’. Virility means manly strength – manly as opposed to virulent or predatory. Unfortunately two roots have become entwined. Virtus (virtue), originally manly excellence, and by extension all kinds of excellence –very much including specifically feminine excellence – became mixed up with virus, derived from a Sanskrit word for the venom of a poisonous serpent. The entanglement is actually rather worse, but that is enough for now.

Hence Jengelen’s snaky/unmanly transgender sideshow is actually very much on topic here. Even though any or many of the details may be wrong, we are truly seeing, not a desirable feminization of our macho society, but its effeminization. Bill Ryan is accused of preying on vulnerable females. I have no input as to the ‘preying’ side of the affair; what is obvious enough, however, is that he certainly hangs out a lot with vulnerable females. From his own apparent ‘all is self’ viewpoint, this would suggest that basically he is one himself. I am reminded of the intrepid hero Achilles, who didn’t want to fight the Trojan War, and went hiding among the skirts of some princesses. He didn’t want to fight because he had been told he would get killed, and that wasn’t in the script because, apart from that heel, he was supposed to be immortal. In other words, the hero of no-risk killing sprees chickened out.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/tintin-may-have-been-asexual-girl_uk_59c4d4d8e4b06ddf45f6f25d?utm_hp_ref=uk

My entire criticism of BilL Ryan can be summed up as a deficit of ‘virile’ courage. I just read something by a French writer about it being in human nature to beget a project and also to strangle it. What I mean by virility is the courage to beget a project and nurture it to fruition. That is feminine courage and masculine courage combined. It has to be a collective effort in order to work. This is not going to happen with Bill Ryan in charge, which is why he is now in my rearview mirror, about to disappear altogether from view. I am thinking TOT might yet achieve this goal. As an aside, I prefer the spelling ThOTh, but for reasons that have nothing to do with mythology or theology; simply, Thoth as the entity or principle behind our learning to read and write, which is our medium on these boards.

My problem with second-guessing motivations is that it is basically undecidable whether BR created a forum for good motives and then subverted it, or if it started out for perverse reasons and was positively subverted by certain contributors. None of us master the harm we can do while trying to act for the best. By the same token, none of us master the good we can do whatever our motives. For example, have I, by staying on at Avalon considerably longer than others here find acceptable, contributed to the harm caused to the vulnerable female segment of the population, or possibly done more good than harm? This is a question I cannot answer. I can only adjust my position instinctively in light of fresh data, and even then, even now, I cannot be sure this is for the best in any absolute way.

I have laboured for several weeks to produce this post, which I still find unsatisfactory but will share anyway. However, the point being that everything is inevitably so, it is perfect in its own imperfect way as a small step in a given desired direction. That direction is towards relief of pain. To the extent that Bill Ryan is a source of considerable pain, I have a further matter to discuss in another post. This post has been on the subject of motivation in the abstract, which may resonate for some. What follows is more concrete, which may possibly be persuasive for others.


The idea behind this second post is to tackle Bill Ryan in the open on his home turf, which I take to be providing an enabling platform for whistle-blowers. That at least is how he started out with Camelot. Since I stopped posting, the Pete Peterson business has come to bite him in the rear, but until now I haven’t had an opportunity to comment. It is shockingly not good enough to be apologizing only once found out that absolutely no due diligence was done in terms of checking credentials. It is counter-productive to be quoting the behaviour of Henry Deacon/Arthur Neumann as the perfect counter-example showing how things should be done. The honest reaction would have been, many years ago, to admit publicly, ‘If this is how it is done, then we slipped up badly with the other fellow.’ And take down the interview. And post a warning in its place.

Admittedly, it may seem a bit late for me to be talking. What happens is that we all focus on some of the things we find important; there are other things we also find important, but in a finite world, constraints of time and space mean that we cannot address every issue all at once. Meanwhile, some of these other things become urgent until they scream for immediate attention. What is urgent right now is to provide a contradictory reading of the Bill Ryan situation. Thank you for this thread, which has been doing precisely that. Below is the second of my two cents-worth, which is as timely as I can make it. ‘October the First is Too Late’ is the title of an SF novel by the astronomer Fred Hoyle; maybe not quite: I signed up at 11.17 on 1.10.17, bang on time if you ask me. I even answered 11 to a forward-looking question about the month of November.

Strangely, while I have little or no recall of anything Pete Peterson actually said, I do remember a few things said about his Camelot interview – notably the amount of off-the-record statements he made in addition to the on-the-record statements, the life-threatening nature of any lapses in this regard, and hence the need to submit the interview for clearance. Unsurprisingly, this approval never came, but the interview was published regardless. This whole scenario needs dismantling.

A few preliminary remarks.
An official spokesman is qualified to make controlled on-the-record statements revealing previously off-the-record material. Everyone else signing non-disclosure agreements has to treat info like apples and oranges in the Garden of Eden: you are welcome to make yourself sick on these oranges, but don’t you dare touch them apples!
A genuine insider respects this boundary to the best of his or her ability; but a leak may occur inadvertently, with an apparently harmless exchange possibly generating unforeseen results when applied to a different, outside, context. For example, while waiting at the photocopy machine, John Brandenburg shows his Mars xenon isotope material to a nuclear physicist waiting behind him, who blurts out, “Someone nuked them!”, and then on realizing the scale of his tiny mistake, promptly disappears (Death on Mars, p. 109). Brandenburg receives this cross-fertilizing insight, but he still has to do his homework. The actual disclosure is innocent enough in itself, and the leak is quickly mended; it only becomes a bombshell in this new other-worldly context.
A genuine whistleblower is someone who deliberately crosses this boundary, making controlled leaks revealing previously off-the-record material. A genuine whistleblower is, if not an intruding outsider, a former genuine insider who is not an official spokesman, but becomes a shadow spokesman with divided loyalties – their loyalty to their employer now comes second to their loyalty to society at large. Unfortunately their betrayal/illicit intrusion makes them pretty unbelievable: discredit (loss of reputation) leads to discredit (loss of credibility). The Trojan prophetess Cassandra was blessed with an ability to make correct predictions and cursed with universal incredulity.
A total hoaxer is a parody of the above, just a shadow speaking mostly for himself. A disinfo agent (willing or involuntary) is personally neither officially official nor genuinely genuine, and the same goes for their info. They produce a different kind of shadow, like projecting a rabbit on the wall with the hands in a given position: some parts may resemble fingers, but overall the illusion prevails.
Finally, there is the reporter, who listens to and passes on information from all the above sources, with various combinations of objectivity and commitment depending on where they lie on a spectrum ranging from the mainstream journalist to the alternative researcher. Note that objectivity and commitment are independent parameters, not opposite ends of a single continuous scale. In other words, greater commitment is not incompatible with greater objectivity, nor does a non-committal attitude guarantee such objectivity.

However, to add a little historical depth, one might further mention the category of witness. The Greek word is martyros, and the early Christian martyrs were witnesses to spiritual values who blew the whistle on the political elite who were suppressing disclosure in these matters. In those days, the only genuine whistleblower truly was a dead whistleblower, since martyrdom combined in a single event the act of disclosure (profession of faith) with the elimination of the witness. This was verging on suicide, and as suicide is often contagious, it soon became a public health issue only resolved at the Council of Nicaea, which established a basis for dealing with it without undermining the root cause. Suicidal martyrs are a public health issue to this day, as we all know, and are generally neither heroes nor villains: just victims.

Hence the true, deliberate whistle-blower, spouting forth and getting killed for it, would be a latter-day martyr. All very admirable, but you don’t assert the glory of life either by taking it or by losing it cheaply. We don’t want that kind of whistle-blower any more than we want jihadists: the real task is to combine witnessing with survival. There are of course people paying with their lives for speaking out: this is precisely why it is so shameful to be playing games while at the same time claiming to honour their memory. My preliminary conclusion on the Peterson situation is that in this case we have no martyrs: we have survivors bearing witness – so far so good – but their testimony is false. Bill Ryan admits that Peterson’s evidence is not credible, but fails to see how it reflects upon himself. His own act is equally fake, as is easily demonstrated (see below).

So where does Pete Peterson fit in with the above dramatis personae now that doubt has been cast on the value of his info? Doubt must also be cast on his requirement of submitting his interview for prior approval: it was tantamount to claiming status as an official spokesman. That was never going to happen regardless of whether his bona fides are phoney. Why? Because any genuine official disclosure would pass through the normal open channels, and he likely had no access to those channels anyway. Quite simply, if an agency has anything they want us to know, they have the front office to issue the necessary propaganda. No need for undercover agents. Propaganda by definition is issued loud and clear, far too loud and clear to be entirely true. However, the falsity of the front story does not make the undercover story necessarily true: to think otherwise is the definition of gullibility.

Hence the ‘on-the-record’ info was basically garbage. Any genuine whistle-blower info had to be the ‘off-the-record’ variety. In other words, Peterson was not blowing the whistle, he was holding out the whistle to Project Camelot, saying ‘Just blow it and you’re dead’. In other words, we don’t need to know the value of his data to know that he is a hero in the Achilles mould: when the going gets tough, he... passes the buck to Bill and Kerry, who, perfectly understandably, sit on the information. They don’t want to be martyrs, which means they don’t want to be whistle-blowers either. And that amounts to saying they are pretending, they are playing games, they are not for real, they are fakes. They are themselves withholding information that they claim to be an important part of a necessary disclosure. We don’t know how important it actually is, but it sure makes them look important.

The question of sanctions for overstepping prescribed limits then becomes somewhat academic. Kerry Cassidy, Bill Ryan once claimed, was nearly killed for publishing off-the-record material. He actually gave that as a major reason for their split. This claim also needs reviewing in light of the fact that said off-the-record material is now likely to be as worthless as the rest. Were the circumstances of this attack ever given? Did a bullet whistle past Kerry’s ear? Did she take a sip from a cup of coffee that tasted of bitter almonds? Did the brakes on her car fail? I don’t recall anything of that nature.

The thing about David Wilcock’s story is that he provided a garage bill as evidence that he did at least suffer some kind of mechanical failure. Regardless of what we make of this in real-life terms, it does make sense at the symbolic level. He was trying to stop doing whatever dangerous thing he was doing, but couldn’t, because his ‘braking system’ was faulty. It may be that he simply can’t drive. Going downhill, you brake very little, by relying on your engine brake, i.e. by staying in low gear. Too much ‘high octane speculation’ I reckon.
On the other hand, about the Kerry Cassidy accident – again unless I’m mistaken – we can say precisely nothing, rien, nada. To the point that some doubt even if there was ever a split in any real sense at all.

The question now becomes: who would kill in reprisal for disclosing as genuine, material from a hoaxer/disinfo agent? Answer: no one. The more the merrier. Let them do their worst.

The kindest possible interpretation of what, if anything, occurred is that Cassidy, perhaps like Wilcock on a previous occasion, was prey to a panic attack. This is a very real phenomenon. No one can be criticized for succumbing to such an experience. But the reality (the panic attack) is based on an illusion (it has a cause, but no concrete cause). Again, who was responsible: Peterson’s superiors? It turns out, as far as we know, he had none. Peterson himself? Really? The only real enemy seems to have been the equivalent of Wilcock’s undermaintained brakes.

The not-so-kind interpretation would be to repeat that they are pretending, they are playing games, they are not for real, they are fakes.

This story has a corollary, which might lead us somewhere in practical terms.
The corollary is this: if the alleged threat came through disclosing material from a whistle-blower as TRUE, then there is no reason for anyone to kill in reprisal for presenting material from a disinfo agent as FAKE. If Peterson is seen to be a freelance agent, then it should be possible for Camelot or Avalon to publish his off-the-record statements as disinfo with no fear of threat to life or limb, since the risk of reprisal was in all likelihood part of the disinfo. As I said above, if someone could kill, then who would that someone be? Not the usual suspects.

It would be useful indeed to know all the many things that are supposedly too secret to tell and yet probably false. This would be no betrayal of a private conversation. It would be an instance of the alternative researcher turning non-suicidal whistleblower. It could and should happen, but I am not holding my breath, because on previous form it would require quite a U-turn. It would also be useful to know what dangerous piece of information Kerry Cassidy let slip. That information is already public anyway, and since the danger has passed, it is a reasonable question to ask what it was, or alternatively what the reason might be for not answering that question. Once again, saying someone will get killed is no longer a credible response. It might be true, but it is not credible. The whistleblower community has painted itself into a corner.

The afore-mentioned previous form can be summarized as follows. Bill Ryan presents himself as a serious, committed reporter or alternative researcher. He has already admitted to being totally unserious (unprofessional or if you prefer, dangerously amateurish) in the basic matter of checking credentials. He is no reporter, but a fake newsman. He is not at all committed to the whistle-blower cause, since he declined to share what he had been told and is now prepared to throw Peterson under the bus at the first sign of trouble. And he is no researcher: had he done his homework to back up any of this stuff, as I explained John Brandenburg did, he would have discovered something to set off alarm bells. Maybe he did, but he never reported it; on the contrary, one may want to explore how much of his posting has been based on the lies. And finally he is no alternative researcher: whether deliberately or otherwise (I really don’t care either way), he is providing more mainstream entertainment, targetting and diverting an often vulnerable audience who are searching in deadly earnest.

The above is no more than a submission. If Bill Ryan is man enough to respond, I am prepared to back down on anything that he is able to explain more satisfactorily. But again, I am not holding my breath. On Avalon, he let his lady friends tell me he didn’t want me out. I pointed out that his silence spoke otherwise, since he hadn’t and wouldn’t say so himself. This he confirmed by maintaining his silence; nor did he respond to my criticisms, other than to say I needed to supply more evidence – which I did – again no response.

In a court of law, no defence is no defence: you are doing nothing to avoid being found guilty as charged. Internet forums are not a court of law. But then neither are they meant to administer justice; what they can and should be doing is warning users against abusers of any description. When a forum owner is accused of something, he can simply say (or silently express), Get out of here! If he is accused of something from a tiny forum like this one, he may think he can afford simply to ignore it. Silence is a fuzzy concept because no defence is sometimes the plea of the unconcerned innocent, although more often it is due to there being no possible adequate defence. Like an amber light that may mean stop and may mean go, silence may mean innocent and may mean guilty. It doesn’t mean undecidable. At an amber light, a decision is unavoidable one way or the other. Let’s see how Bill Ryan’s silence might be viewed as culpable.


Since the basic accusation is that he is a fake, pretending to be someone and do something he is not, most notably by holding info from Peterson allegedly at personal risk to his life, this amounts to pretending to play Russian roulette. How does this work? Well, I guess there are various ways of making sure that your empty chamber is lined up so that you can safely pull the trigger. That would be like publishing Peterson’s harmless on-the-record stuff. Or you can simply not pull the trigger at all. That would be like withholding Peterson’s unverified off-the-record stuff. I am suggesting a third solution: that these cartridges are blanks and so the trigger can safely be pulled. The only shred of credibility left to BR would then be to fire his revolver till empty, which he absolutely cannot do. Why? Because either he would publish nothing but provably dud info, or he would fire live ammunition only identifiable as such by the physical damage to himself. He would need the courage of a true witness to take that risk; it’s not going to happen.

This is what I mean by painting someone into a corner. He has set up an amber light that is neither red nor green: what do you do when you cannot go and you cannot stop? Float off right out of this reality into another dimension, I guess.

How might this work? How can idle conspiracy nonsense turn lethal? Umberto Eco’s 1988 novel Foucault’s Pendulum (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foucault%27s_Pendulum) describes how some publishers (nowadays it would be conspiracy site owners) end up very dead after making up additional material to sell in their catalogue. Hoist with their own petard is the phrase that comes to mind: they are killed by their over credulous readers who take it all seriously.

Eco is reported as saying that Dan Brown is a character in his novel. I submit that Bill Ryan is another. All these characters have a real life equivalent. Hence David Wilcock might well be genuinely afraid for his life. This is the part of the story that maybe comes closest to being real. Being personally on the side of life every time, I suggest that, to avoid the story-book ending, there is a life-giving way out for these people. Let them just desist from their present activities, and go and do some real, serious work – I recommend heavy labour. They really have no choice, because their once over credulous readers are dwindling in numbers, wising up and walking away. It is like reverse blackmail: you just stop cashing in, go away and nothing will happen to you.
Stop strangling your own project. Stop detracting/distracting from the main task at hand, which is to build up a community, a community of communities.

I said that this forum was a ‘tiny’ TOT. This was not meant disparagingly. On the contrary, you guys have built a solid base on which the forum can grow. I am here to assist in that process of ‘Together we make a difference’. – Important note (abusers beware): ‘together’ does NOT parse as ‘to get her’. – Coming alphabetically after TNT, TOT could be quite explosive...
:)

Aianawa
6th October 2017, 06:45
Hearty welcome to you, enjoy where your coming from, no no not PA, this stuff >



Hi there Dumpster Diver, nice to meet you (or am I supposed to know you from elsewhere? :))

I intend to get off this thread and do my own thing just as soon as new members are allowed to. Regarding the chaotic sun, Richard Michael Pasichnyk explains in The Vital Vastness how, contrary to common belief, the Sun’s activity actually lags behind whatever is happening on Earth. This would mean that earthquakes are not so much an effect of solar activity as a cause. The simple conclusion is that we just need to start behaving and the Sun will respond accordingly.
http://www.livingcosmos.com/vital.htm

To understand how this would work, imagine a kind of reverse astrology. We all know what various aspects of Mars do to us. It is a kind of self-fulfilling prophecy until we decide that we’ve had enough of this. If enough people were to snap out of it, then ‘Mars’ would be forced to behave less belligerently in return, and everyone would get to benefit from it. Has it ever occurred to you what the astrological role of Earth might be on another planet? I imagine it is a mixture of very sweet and absolutely horrid. People are easy to get on with when they are nice, and horrendous when they turn nasty. The Sun and the planets are probably no different.

Joseph Farrell in Cosmic War is very much into ultra-sophisticated weaponry and technology. Yet when he describes how the power-giving 'Tablets of Destiny' had to be rewritten after the explosion of a planet, it strikes me what he is talking about is astrology. All the different transits and aspects would have changed and needed recalibrating. This is extremely low-tech, highly explosive magic. Next time you see old grumpy in the mirror, just smile at him and see how he changes: you will feel much better for it. The rest is simply a change of scale. Let’s work at our own human scale and let the pantograph (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantograph)do its work.

Dreamtimer
6th October 2017, 13:25
Dang. I would have loved the insight coming from your experiences, Gio. I do hope you will share one day as it would be helpful to all manner of people who may be lurking around.

giovonni
6th October 2017, 16:09
Dang. I would have loved the insight coming from your experiences, Gio. I do hope you will share one day as it would be helpful to all manner of people who may be lurking around.

Sorry, but won't ever happen here ...

Too many ...

em·bed (s)

past tense: embedded; past participle: embedded

1.
fix (an object) firmly and deeply in a surrounding mass.
"he had an operation to remove a nail embedded in his chest"
synonyms: implant, plant, set, fix, lodge, root, insert, place; sink, drive, hammer, ram

* 2.
attach (a troll) to a free open forum to create conflict, havoc, and confusion.

giggle :)

Aragorn
6th October 2017, 19:17
Dang. I would have loved the insight coming from your experiences, Gio. I do hope you will share one day as it would be helpful to all manner of people who may be lurking around.


Sorry, but won't ever happen here ...

Too many ...

em·bed (s)

past tense: embedded; past participle: embedded

1.
fix (an object) firmly and deeply in a surrounding mass.
"he had an operation to remove a nail embedded in his chest"
synonyms: implant, plant, set, fix, lodge, root, insert, place; sink, drive, hammer, ram

* 2.
attach (a troll) to a free open forum to create conflict, havoc, and confusion.

giggle :)

Are you saying we've got shills here at The One Truth? :confused:

giovonni
6th October 2017, 19:21
Are you saying we've got shills here at The One Truth? :confused:

Come on Dude ...

They were here way before you and the current staff ever got here ... :)

Aragorn
6th October 2017, 19:35
Are you saying we've got shills here at The One Truth? :confused:

Come on Dude ...

They were here way before you and the current staff ever got here ... :)

Well, I know that we've got a couple of El Sombrero™ fans here — well, at least one still that I know of, because the others have all asked for their retirement, and one was banned (by myself) for belligerent behavior and slander — but there's a difference between a True Believer™ and an actual shill.

So if you have any evidence — or at the very least, reasonable suspicion — then I would appreciate it if you were to share this with the staff. A private message is probably the most discreet approach. :hmm:

Lord Sidious
6th October 2017, 19:45
Interesting Gio, yes that does happen. When they approached me with Bill's new idea about having an official front door greeter (must have been 20012/13), it of course wasn't a mod position, but it definitely *was* being part of the team. And yes it did make me even more fervently loyal for a few months, but then being so much closer to things also made me pay closer attention to things.

That's when I began to notice certain things weren't as they seemed, or as they should be. And the more my concerns were summarily dismissed, the more I knew something really was indeed wrong. So, being part of the team can also have the opposite effect. Very rare though...

Not sure if you recall, but I was greeting all the new members and wishing everyone happy birthday.
They turned that around after I was banned into me wanting to take the forum over!

giovonni
6th October 2017, 19:51
Well, I know that we've got a couple of El Sombrero™ fans here — well, at least one still that I know of, because the others have all asked for their retirement, and one was banned (by myself) — but there's a difference between a True Believer™ and an actual shill.

So if you have any evidence — or at the very least, reasonable suspicion — then I would appreciate it if you were to share this with the staff. A private message is probably the most discreet approach. :hmm:

Your choice of term - 'shill' ...

I prefer to use the term 'troll' which is more inclined to a particular psych behavior.

I am not suggesting that anyone posting here would be of that kind of nature ... :rolleyes:

While noting this particular subject matter for the most part is just about fun and games.

giovonni
6th October 2017, 20:44
shill

So if you have any evidence — or at the very least, reasonable suspicion — then I would appreciate it if you were to share this with the staff. A private message is probably the most discreet approach. :hmm:

Only if You and Malc, are prepared to relocate, protect, and support me
within the lifestyle i've been accustomed to.

Fred Steeves
6th October 2017, 20:46
Interesting Gio, yes that does happen. When they approached me with Bill's new idea about having an official front door greeter (must have been 20012/13), it of course wasn't a mod position, but it definitely *was* being part of the team. And yes it did make me even more fervently loyal for a few months, but then being so much closer to things also made me pay closer attention to things.

That's when I began to notice certain things weren't as they seemed, or as they should be. And the more my concerns were summarily dismissed, the more I knew something really was indeed wrong. So, being part of the team can also have the opposite effect. Very rare though...


Not sure if you recall, but I was greeting all the new members and wishing everyone happy birthday.
They turned that around after I was banned into me wanting to take the forum over!

Geez I had totally forgotten, but that *does* ring a bell. Interesting how little of a twist it takes, to make 2+2=5...

donk
6th October 2017, 21:29
Heh, I told them that I had my mailbox full for a reason, I didn't want anyone saying anything to me that they wouldn't want to share with the forum, so when I hit 500 pms and they pmed about something they said "oh, you want special treatment? Our hands are tied, you're banned"

Hey sierra who speaks for bill, asking to NOT get more pms than my limit is the opposite of asking for special treatment :D

Aragorn
7th October 2017, 01:33
So if you have any evidence — or at the very least, reasonable suspicion — then I would appreciate it if you were to share this with the staff. A private message is probably the most discreet approach. :hmm:

Only if You and Malc, are prepared to relocate, protect, and support me
within the lifestyle i've been accustomed to.

Well, Don Giovonni, as it just so happens to be, the safe house on Barbados is in use right now by a guy who keeps a pen full of blue chickens, the one at Lake Tahoe is currently occupied by an Edgar Cayce clone who keeps on talking about his willy, and we've only just relocated Lego Batman to Arizona. But I'll check with our Mexican operative Mrs. Anderson as to whether Villa Loco in Acapulco is available. ;)




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weGiFoK4JeI

Outlander
7th October 2017, 01:45
Sometimes I'm inspired, sometimes I'm more inspired

AVALONOGY DONATICS

PA2 Round Table Declaration:

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• We stand together for the future of the Human Race.

• We will not tolerate suppression of the truth.

• We stand together to support others in the expression of truths and freedom to speak out... no matter how radical those ideas may seem.

• Standing for freedom takes courage; together we shall be strong in the face of all odds.

• We will do everything we can to work towards the establishment of a new way of living together on Planet Earth.

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I wonder if the people who have put their name under this noble PA2 Round Table Declaration, have read the Patriot Act 1 & 2.
If not, perhaps they should.

• We will do everything we can to work towards the establishment of a new way of living together on Planet Earth.

With the Patriot Act 1 & 2 in hand, signing this, could mark you as a potential 'terrorist'!

Wait a second…

P. A. 1 & 2 …

:omg:

Patriot Act 1 & 2 ...

Coincidence? :whstl:


"Pretentious? Moi?"
What really p#sses me off about Bill Ryan, is that he seems to think he is some sort of godlike idol.
I've send this guy 2 or 3 emails, and never received an answer. – mind you, if I mail Bono, I get a reply within 24 hours max.

Now please tell me: 'Who the f#ck is Bill Ryan, to have an attitude like that?'
Nobody I know has ever heard of the guy.

Someone just pm-ed me: “Did you know that Life of Brian originally was named Life of B. Ryan?”
No I kid you not.
It was only after B. Ryan had read the script he realized this movie was not about him but about his brother Brian.
Brian Ryan?
“One & the same”
No I kid you not!

B. Ryan: "You're all individuals !!!! "

Crowd: "Yes !!! We're all individuals !!!"

Lone Man: "I'm not. "

B. Ryan: "You don't need me or anyone else to tell you what to do.…"

Yep, that must be Brian.


Usually rats are the first to leave a sinking ship, but in this particular saga, it's the other way round.

Everyone with an open, healthy and slightly suspicious mind, has been kicked off of this boat & those with no mind of their own at all, are invited to sail the ship.

Outlander
7th October 2017, 01:58
MARCH 2010

Project avalon 2.. Are you havin a laugh?
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=21049&page=4

Project Avalon Hero Carol posted this:

JT, I think you are spot on when you claim the problem is with integrity and it starts at the top with the founders. Once again, Bill is unavailable with no welcoming message, no mission statement, or any word what-so-ever on PA2. Where is the captain of the ship?

I'm also very confused about Project Light Warrior as they want folks for games and portals.

Coming here to this forum is like watching a train wreck. Helping out at a new forum also has its challenges no matter where that forum is just because folks are so diverse and at so many levels of awareness and understanding. And the intention behind each forum is very different from each other.

I honestly don't think that Bill or Kerry were ever commited to this forum other then the idea to have it happen and help with the creative process in the design. This is clearly evident with respect to how involved they are "not." They are still very involved with what it takes to do Camelot and that really doesn't leave much time to participate on a forum as compared to the many members who do have time to be on the net.

What astonishes me is that this forum has almost 7,000 members. Where are they? What do they think? Personally, I'm sorry to see the hundreds if not thousands of hours the many, many volunteers put in to making this forum so full of great information come to an end. Some threads will be moved over to AV2 but what happens to PLW? I suspect over time all of this will eventually be sorted out but currently the hoopla and phoney rah, rah is a bit much.

If this is any example of how Bill runs his ship when he is involved heaven help AV2. The Captain needs to be there or the whole thing will eventually turn into yet another train wreck.

These almost 7,000 members have some choices to make if they wish to continue to be involved with PA at some level. They can join all of the forums and be a bit spread out. They can go with just one forum. They can just back up and drop it all together. This transition is about choices and the choice about staying here is not an option.

Let's look at this from another perspective as well. Let's look at earthchanges and ground crews who are networking. Those who accept this as a real possibility have taken steps to take care of themselves. If someone sees a tornado coming the smart thing to do is to relocate to a safe space. In this fourm's case it's a train wreck. The more aware members will have already found a safe place ~ while others will be checking out multiple other places rather then worrying about whether they will be rejected and not recieve an invitation to AV2. As I see it one can be pro-active and take control or be reactive and whine. Irrespective of how the choice plays itself, this forum is coming to an end.

Meanwhile, the many members are going through and adjustment period. Particularly the ones who were comfortable the way things were here. Personally, I've not been all that comfortable since almost day 1, yet did find things I could do here which made me happy.

It's all a matter of perspective JT. I think you understand better then most just exactly what has happened here. And let's be clear, part of the problem has absolutley nothing to do with any personality or group of personalities. It has to do with the technical difficulties related to running this particular forum. It is time for a change... it has to change if it is going to survive.

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Outlander
7th October 2017, 02:23
Swanny, with whom i wrote an absurd and hilarious thread about The Galactic Federation of Lies on PA1, has this to say about PA2:

OK here is my rant about pa2

Seems pretty obvious to me that it's about control. You only have to read the rules to see that

This is my favourite

Quote:

Any discussion of a product or service for sale, or of a website designed to sell products or services, is forbidden, even if you do not directly profit from such a discussion.

So if you find a site offering a good price for a water filter etc you are not allowed to share it with your friends, worst than that you can't even talk about it.
WTF is that all about????

I still don't understand the word censor.

You can say bum, ass, bottom but not ar$e.

We are here because the world we are living in is going trough massive changes and yet we are being treated like little kids.

Quote:

Everyone joined this forum to discuss OUR material, not to hear others showcase theirs. Members who insist on promoting / showcasing themselves, their own websites, philosophies, products, services or other unrelated teachings will be unsubscribed.

Does this mean T3J will not be allowed to talk about his dowsing?? And who is OUR???
Did Bill write this and wants us only to talk about his interviews?? Oops on the new forum I wont be able to mention his name unless it has been ok'ed

Quote:

1. TARGETING INDIVIDUALS
1 Posts should not be directed to any specific individuals such as Bill Ryan, Kerry Cassidy or any specific witness unless a discussion has already opened. We advise you to direct your comments, questions and concerns to the group, so anyone may answer you. This promotes community discussion rather than individual confrontation.

I think who ever wrote those rules needs to rewrite them and bear in mind that the forum belongs to it's members, with out them they will have no one to control.

Hey don't worry the NFO will take care of us

If anyone wants a new job there are always vacancies for traffic wardens

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On 3-18-2010 I wrote:

I think it was Fredkc who said, that we are guests at this forum.

This remark hit the nail on the head.

We all tend to forget this, but indeed we are guests, & those who 'run' & own this forum, can do with it, as they please.

They can ban, mist, (infract) & warn who- & whenever it suits them.

To those who thought Avalon was a family where they could feel save, it must come as a bitter surprise that they've made a mistake.
Some might even feel betrayed.

But looking at the amount of voters in Greybeards poll-thread, 6500 members really don't give a sh#t about what happens at/with Project Avalon.

n.b. GOPL, I've read your post before it was 'edited'.
People who are looking for trouble usually find it.

Outlander
7th October 2017, 02:36
Right, it’s 03-25-2010, 11:09 PM

So Long, Farewell, Auf Wiedersehen, Goodbye!
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=21192

Baron, another member with an open, healthy and slightly suspicious mind – and not in the least impressed by Bill’s heritage has this to say:

I would also like to say my farewells to all, as this forum is about to be closed in a dozen days for posting at least, and soon after everything will be lost! Because I don't think the fees will be kept up for long to vBulletin® Version 3.8.4, for a static forum, as they are not free or cheap$$$$.So all these posts will be lost most likely for good when its closed down for none payment of fees.All this information then be lost forever sadly!

I've been in a self imposed exile for a while because my critical expose and warning posts regarding some of the fraudsters and phony whistle-blowers Bill & Kerry interviewed, whom they believed,which were not welcome. Especially since I called them naive and gullible!

Even though some of them were exposed a decade before B&K came on the scene! They were given a new lease of lying life!

I tried to warn them in private first to no avail, as did others who had done real investigations on these frauds.

Even after presenting irrefutable evidence that they were frauds and not to promote or get involved with them for their own sake protecting their reputation and neutrality.

FrancieJones: was another who could not understand why Bill & Kerry would promote these frauds even after warning them. I understand that FranceJones got banned because she posted a private email from Bill, yet Bill posted a private email from Cliff High. A little bit of hypocrisy here I think? The pot calling the kettle black.

The only reason for being critical of Bill & kerry was so they did not get stung, it only takes a few fraudsters to break things up, and we only have to look what's happened.

So that's me out of ever being invited to the new forum2! LOL.

Oh before I go I will just remind you all even though my old posts will say much the same I will name the main frauds, so called whistle-blowers NOT.

Why oh why Bill do you believe this repeater of other peoples work, who is a liar and a fraud to boot, and who is NOT an MD aka Medical Doctor as he claims! The one license he did manage to wrangle that gave him the right to administer pharmaceuticals was revoked, and he was struck off years ago, after the death of young man and injuries to others! He was lucky not to have got 20 years minimum.Now a snake oil salesman using conspiracy to sell his wares via his radio show to those he scares to near death if not via pharmaceuticals.

His name? Bill Deagle! Yet he has been befriended by Bill so Bill sees neither his BS , lies or his history. Or the hypocrisy of his morbidly obese body of a man who sells people his health wares and lectures people on their health!

Why because he has cleverly welcomed you into his home and fed you?!!! And given you his BS answers that the powers that be set him up yadda yadda yadda! Yeah and I'm Henry Deacon aka Arthur Neumann who went to the MOON with my secret gov passport!

One of the reasons Michael St Clair became disillusioned with Bill was because of his reluctance to see through fear monger fraud Bll Deagle.The same for Cliff High sometime later.

I wonder why Richard Sauder of the underground bases had a beef with Bill & Kerry? Who wrote a scathing so called autonomous post at rense.com?

Dan Burisch: Another fraud and liar oh I almost forgot Dan Burisch is now against Project Camelot and he now hates Bill with a vengeance! Don't worry Bill he's nothing more than a lab assistant of one week, whose mentally a fantasist and thinks he's another professor of everything! The ultimate family and wife frauds who believe their own fantasies.

True Ott: Another phony who wont come on the conference scene anymore just in case his lack of credentials and BS is brought up another fear mongering snake oil salesman via radio! He thinks Jane Burgermeister (as did Deagle) stole his bird flu expose! Since he had the conspiracy copyright on it.A none Doctor a Chinese cookie paper diploma.WORTHLESS.

Jordan Maxwell: Aka real name Russell Pine! What can we say this man thinks he's a symbologist of the highest order yet for one elementary example he described the reason with conviction why Vikings had horns on their helmets? Vikings never ever had horns on their helmets its just a modern myth something Monty Python would play on! He repeats lots of nonsense mixed with some truths to sell his wares books to feed his ego and stomach!
A real Symbologist would know that!

Now for the piste de la resistance!

Henry Deacon aka Arthur Neumann: Well this man claims to have been to the moon works on black projects and has a secret passport which he has showed everybody and been to conferences overseas all paid for, and on video for all to see, all while still working on top secret projects for a secret government agency! Wow what a brave whistle blower! (This will explain his disappearance from the scene of late, the government has locked him up!) As confirmed and checked out by Bill & kerry! It never dawned on Bill & Kerry that he set them up to give himself some credibility? He got somebody he knew who called him Dr or Professor when he's neither and that was the legitimacy! LOL

Since he knows his cover is now blown I doubt we will hear from him again in public at least! I know that a sting is in place to expose him if he dares set foot on any podium or conference. His real occupation and who he really is will make him turn purple as well as those who believed this fraud, all for 15 minutes of fame!

Pete Peterson: Oh how we know who this guy is? Well this guy is a home tinker inventor of useless gadgets who has a work shop! But he is neither a whistle-blower scientist or works on black projects, unless you count him getting black in his workshop, nor does he hold an accredited doctorate what he has is something you buy off the internet worthless to make him look like somebody, the same as some of the above. He use to be seen at fairs trying to sell his gadgets and other rubbish, wonder why the secret government lets him do that?

Now one of these above has an occupation which is closer to a "janitor" than anything else, anybody guess who? Yet Bill & Kerry investigated him? Black opps janitor perhaps?

The group of truth seekers who decided to trace them and expose these phony's are waiting to pounce with their evidence,but only when it will make an impact.

Why because they are sick of these frauds fooling those who want to find the real truth about real conspiracies! Not fantasy they have picked up from books the internet and TV!

Yet they like others have tried to warn Bill & Kerry but they would not have it! These exposes are not meant to embarrass them, but they will sadly.

There are others who are similar but most of them are not trying to sell stuff or have an agenda.There just mostly telling their story. But these have to be exposed, far to many people are believing these frauds.

Bill & Kerry what you had was something great and those of us who have been critical have mostly been because of your lack of discernment not what you set out to do, which we all appreciated, but you blew it you got close to the wrong people and believed BS.

I hope you wake up or discover these frauds really are frauds and you have been hoodwinked, because these are no better than the Ron L Hubbard's of this world. Though the latter was much worse he was a pornographer and paedophile as well as a fraud with his criminal brainwashing Scientology BS.

Bill & Kerry if you get back to what you set out to do in a discerning manor you would have virtually no criticism and you would have grateful followers of your work,because you do have a talent for interviewing and asking good questions that engrosses the viewer or listener.

The truth shall set you free, avoid braggarts fantasists and loud aggressive persons for they are vexations to the soul.

Best Regards
Baron
PS: Moderator notice as usual no fowl language. I once got a warning here from one mod for using the swear word "obsequious"! LOL,that's Really true!

:yawn:

Aragorn
7th October 2017, 03:10
"Pretentious? Moi?"
What really p#sses me off about Bill Ryan, is that he seems to think he is some sort of godlike idol.

That comes with being a clinical narcissist, and he's not the only one in that regard. For that matter, Kerry Cassidy has also been endowed with a fair dose of that.


I've send this guy 2 or 3 emails, and never received an answer. – mind you, if I mail Bono, I get a reply within 24 hours max.

Well, I myself have also e-mailed him a couple of times — way before I was ever a member at La Casa Del Sombrero™ — and I must admit that he did actually reply to me each time, and quite cordially too. He even CC'ed Kerry Cassidy in on his reply — they were still actively working together at the time. But then again on the other hand, he did neglect replying to a question I asked him in a short PM exchange back when I was still a member at his palace.

E-mailing Kerry herself was like talking to a brick wall. I've sent her several e-mails with technical information that she herself was inquiring about on her blog, or in order to correct her on something she had all backwards, but never once did she reply — not even a simple "thank you" — or even return to the subject at hand on her blog. You see, I hadn't said the magic word, "Annunaki". ;)

Dumpster Diver
7th October 2017, 03:46
Well, Don Giovonni, as it just so happens to be, the safe house on Barbados is in use right now by a guy who keeps a pen full of blue chickens, the one at Lake Tahoe is currently occupied by an Edgar Cayce clone who keeps on talking about his willy, and we've only just relocated Lego Batman to Arizona. But I'll check with our Mexican operative Mrs. Anderson as to whether Villa Loco in Acapulco is available. ;)



Wait a minute, I’ll shill for Bill for bux...retirement is expensive.

donk
7th October 2017, 16:34
Right, it’s 03-25-2010, 11:09 PM

So Long, Farewell, Auf Wiedersehen, Goodbye!
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=21192

Baron, another member with an open, healthy and slightly suspicious mind – and not in the least impressed by Bill’s heritage has this to say:

I would also like to say my farewells to all, as this forum is about to be closed in a dozen days for posting at least, and soon after everything will be lost! Because I don't think the fees will be kept up for long to vBulletin® Version 3.8.4, for a static forum, as they are not free or cheap$$$$.So all these posts will be lost most likely for good when its closed down for none payment of fees.All this information then be lost forever sadly!

I've been in a self imposed exile for a while because my critical expose and warning posts regarding some of the fraudsters and phony whistle-blowers Bill & Kerry interviewed, whom they believed,which were not welcome. Especially since I called them naive and gullible!

Even though some of them were exposed a decade before B&K came on the scene! They were given a new lease of lying life!

I tried to warn them in private first to no avail, as did others who had done real investigations on these frauds.

Even after presenting irrefutable evidence that they were frauds and not to promote or get involved with them for their own sake protecting their reputation and neutrality.

FrancieJones: was another who could not understand why Bill & Kerry would promote these frauds even after warning them. I understand that FranceJones got banned because she posted a private email from Bill, yet Bill posted a private email from Cliff High. A little bit of hypocrisy here I think? The pot calling the kettle black.

The only reason for being critical of Bill & kerry was so they did not get stung, it only takes a few fraudsters to break things up, and we only have to look what's happened.

So that's me out of ever being invited to the new forum2! LOL.

Oh before I go I will just remind you all even though my old posts will say much the same I will name the main frauds, so called whistle-blowers NOT.

Why oh why Bill do you believe this repeater of other peoples work, who is a liar and a fraud to boot, and who is NOT an MD aka Medical Doctor as he claims! The one license he did manage to wrangle that gave him the right to administer pharmaceuticals was revoked, and he was struck off years ago, after the death of young man and injuries to others! He was lucky not to have got 20 years minimum.Now a snake oil salesman using conspiracy to sell his wares via his radio show to those he scares to near death if not via pharmaceuticals.

His name? Bill Deagle! Yet he has been befriended by Bill so Bill sees neither his BS , lies or his history. Or the hypocrisy of his morbidly obese body of a man who sells people his health wares and lectures people on their health!

Why because he has cleverly welcomed you into his home and fed you?!!! And given you his BS answers that the powers that be set him up yadda yadda yadda! Yeah and I'm Henry Deacon aka Arthur Neumann who went to the MOON with my secret gov passport!

One of the reasons Michael St Clair became disillusioned with Bill was because of his reluctance to see through fear monger fraud Bll Deagle.The same for Cliff High sometime later.

I wonder why Richard Sauder of the underground bases had a beef with Bill & Kerry? Who wrote a scathing so called autonomous post at rense.com?

Dan Burisch: Another fraud and liar oh I almost forgot Dan Burisch is now against Project Camelot and he now hates Bill with a vengeance! Don't worry Bill he's nothing more than a lab assistant of one week, whose mentally a fantasist and thinks he's another professor of everything! The ultimate family and wife frauds who believe their own fantasies.

True Ott: Another phony who wont come on the conference scene anymore just in case his lack of credentials and BS is brought up another fear mongering snake oil salesman via radio! He thinks Jane Burgermeister (as did Deagle) stole his bird flu expose! Since he had the conspiracy copyright on it.A none Doctor a Chinese cookie paper diploma.WORTHLESS.

Jordan Maxwell: Aka real name Russell Pine! What can we say this man thinks he's a symbologist of the highest order yet for one elementary example he described the reason with conviction why Vikings had horns on their helmets? Vikings never ever had horns on their helmets its just a modern myth something Monty Python would play on! He repeats lots of nonsense mixed with some truths to sell his wares books to feed his ego and stomach!
A real Symbologist would know that!

Now for the piste de la resistance!

Henry Deacon aka Arthur Neumann: Well this man claims to have been to the moon works on black projects and has a secret passport which he has showed everybody and been to conferences overseas all paid for, and on video for all to see, all while still working on top secret projects for a secret government agency! Wow what a brave whistle blower! (This will explain his disappearance from the scene of late, the government has locked him up!) As confirmed and checked out by Bill & kerry! It never dawned on Bill & Kerry that he set them up to give himself some credibility? He got somebody he knew who called him Dr or Professor when he's neither and that was the legitimacy! LOL

Since he knows his cover is now blown I doubt we will hear from him again in public at least! I know that a sting is in place to expose him if he dares set foot on any podium or conference. His real occupation and who he really is will make him turn purple as well as those who believed this fraud, all for 15 minutes of fame!

Pete Peterson: Oh how we know who this guy is? Well this guy is a home tinker inventor of useless gadgets who has a work shop! But he is neither a whistle-blower scientist or works on black projects, unless you count him getting black in his workshop, nor does he hold an accredited doctorate what he has is something you buy off the internet worthless to make him look like somebody, the same as some of the above. He use to be seen at fairs trying to sell his gadgets and other rubbish, wonder why the secret government lets him do that?

Now one of these above has an occupation which is closer to a "janitor" than anything else, anybody guess who? Yet Bill & Kerry investigated him? Black opps janitor perhaps?

The group of truth seekers who decided to trace them and expose these phony's are waiting to pounce with their evidence,but only when it will make an impact.

Why because they are sick of these frauds fooling those who want to find the real truth about real conspiracies! Not fantasy they have picked up from books the internet and TV!

Yet they like others have tried to warn Bill & Kerry but they would not have it! These exposes are not meant to embarrass them, but they will sadly.

There are others who are similar but most of them are not trying to sell stuff or have an agenda.There just mostly telling their story. But these have to be exposed, far to many people are believing these frauds.

Bill & Kerry what you had was something great and those of us who have been critical have mostly been because of your lack of discernment not what you set out to do, which we all appreciated, but you blew it you got close to the wrong people and believed BS.

I hope you wake up or discover these frauds really are frauds and you have been hoodwinked, because these are no better than the Ron L Hubbard's of this world. Though the latter was much worse he was a pornographer and paedophile as well as a fraud with his criminal brainwashing Scientology BS.

Bill & Kerry if you get back to what you set out to do in a discerning manor you would have virtually no criticism and you would have grateful followers of your work,because you do have a talent for interviewing and asking good questions that engrosses the viewer or listener.

The truth shall set you free, avoid braggarts fantasists and loud aggressive persons for they are vexations to the soul.

Best Regards
Baron
PS: Moderator notice as usual no fowl language. I once got a warning here from one mod for using the swear word "obsequious"! LOL,that's Really true!

:yawn:

Man, I wish I'd have read that before I dove headfirst into the project.

DD: you couldn't intentionally do a better job than you are right now, brother. Stop posting and maybe he'll make you an offer to start again

giovonni
7th October 2017, 16:45
Wait a minute, I’ll shill for Bill for bux...retirement is expensive.

With no doubt ...

Retirement can be expensive especially in Sedona, that along with the cost of meds and all ...

Perhaps you should have moved to Ecuador instead ... :tiphat:



Looks like Bill Ryan got a very active new pet friend ...

If it walks like a duck ...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQczligGB30

NotAPretender
7th October 2017, 17:08
Well, Don Giovonni, as it just so happens to be, the safe house on Barbados is in use right now by a guy who keeps a pen full of blue chickens, the one at Lake Tahoe is currently occupied by an Edgar Cayce clone who keeps on talking about his willy, and we've only just relocated Lego Batman to Arizona. But I'll check with our Mexican operative Mrs. Anderson as to whether Villa Loco in Acapulco is available. ;)




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weGiFoK4JeI

Blue Chickens? I wanted to dye my daughter's cat blue and I don't know why but she didn't talk to me for a week.

Acapulco...Four Tops or Elvis:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVYPO0N8KF4

Dumpster Diver
7th October 2017, 17:12
Man, I wish I'd have read that before I dove headfirst into the project.

DD: you couldn't intentionally do a better job than you are right now, brother. Stop posting and maybe he'll make you an offer to start again

Thanks Donk. Coming from you, I'll accept it as a compliment. Oops, sorry...I just realized you may have to look up that word.

giovonni
7th October 2017, 17:19
Not a pretender indeed.

hint/hint ...

Perhaps it's time to do some post thread dividing?

Fred Steeves
7th October 2017, 17:22
Right, it’s 03-25-2010, 11:09 PM

So Long, Farewell, Auf Wiedersehen, Goodbye!
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=21192

Baron, another member with an open, healthy and slightly suspicious mind – and not in the least impressed by Bill’s heritage has this to say:

I would also like to say my farewells to all, as this forum is about to be closed in a dozen days for posting at least, and soon after everything will be lost! Because I don't think the fees will be kept up for long to vBulletin® Version 3.8.4, for a static forum, as they are not free or cheap$$$$.So all these posts will be lost most likely for good when its closed down for none payment of fees.All this information then be lost forever sadly!

I've been in a self imposed exile for a while because my critical expose and warning posts regarding some of the fraudsters and phony whistle-blowers Bill & Kerry interviewed, whom they believed,which were not welcome. Especially since I called them naive and gullible!

Even though some of them were exposed a decade before B&K came on the scene! They were given a new lease of lying life!

I tried to warn them in private first to no avail, as did others who had done real investigations on these frauds.

Even after presenting irrefutable evidence that they were frauds and not to promote or get involved with them for their own sake protecting their reputation and neutrality.

FrancieJones: was another who could not understand why Bill & Kerry would promote these frauds even after warning them. I understand that FranceJones got banned because she posted a private email from Bill, yet Bill posted a private email from Cliff High. A little bit of hypocrisy here I think? The pot calling the kettle black.

The only reason for being critical of Bill & kerry was so they did not get stung, it only takes a few fraudsters to break things up, and we only have to look what's happened.

So that's me out of ever being invited to the new forum2! LOL.

Oh before I go I will just remind you all even though my old posts will say much the same I will name the main frauds, so called whistle-blowers NOT.

Why oh why Bill do you believe this repeater of other peoples work, who is a liar and a fraud to boot, and who is NOT an MD aka Medical Doctor as he claims! The one license he did manage to wrangle that gave him the right to administer pharmaceuticals was revoked, and he was struck off years ago, after the death of young man and injuries to others! He was lucky not to have got 20 years minimum.Now a snake oil salesman using conspiracy to sell his wares via his radio show to those he scares to near death if not via pharmaceuticals.

His name? Bill Deagle! Yet he has been befriended by Bill so Bill sees neither his BS , lies or his history. Or the hypocrisy of his morbidly obese body of a man who sells people his health wares and lectures people on their health!

Why because he has cleverly welcomed you into his home and fed you?!!! And given you his BS answers that the powers that be set him up yadda yadda yadda! Yeah and I'm Henry Deacon aka Arthur Neumann who went to the MOON with my secret gov passport!

One of the reasons Michael St Clair became disillusioned with Bill was because of his reluctance to see through fear monger fraud Bll Deagle.The same for Cliff High sometime later.

I wonder why Richard Sauder of the underground bases had a beef with Bill & Kerry? Who wrote a scathing so called autonomous post at rense.com?

Dan Burisch: Another fraud and liar oh I almost forgot Dan Burisch is now against Project Camelot and he now hates Bill with a vengeance! Don't worry Bill he's nothing more than a lab assistant of one week, whose mentally a fantasist and thinks he's another professor of everything! The ultimate family and wife frauds who believe their own fantasies.

True Ott: Another phony who wont come on the conference scene anymore just in case his lack of credentials and BS is brought up another fear mongering snake oil salesman via radio! He thinks Jane Burgermeister (as did Deagle) stole his bird flu expose! Since he had the conspiracy copyright on it.A none Doctor a Chinese cookie paper diploma.WORTHLESS.

Jordan Maxwell: Aka real name Russell Pine! What can we say this man thinks he's a symbologist of the highest order yet for one elementary example he described the reason with conviction why Vikings had horns on their helmets? Vikings never ever had horns on their helmets its just a modern myth something Monty Python would play on! He repeats lots of nonsense mixed with some truths to sell his wares books to feed his ego and stomach!
A real Symbologist would know that!

Now for the piste de la resistance!

Henry Deacon aka Arthur Neumann: Well this man claims to have been to the moon works on black projects and has a secret passport which he has showed everybody and been to conferences overseas all paid for, and on video for all to see, all while still working on top secret projects for a secret government agency! Wow what a brave whistle blower! (This will explain his disappearance from the scene of late, the government has locked him up!) As confirmed and checked out by Bill & kerry! It never dawned on Bill & Kerry that he set them up to give himself some credibility? He got somebody he knew who called him Dr or Professor when he's neither and that was the legitimacy! LOL

Since he knows his cover is now blown I doubt we will hear from him again in public at least! I know that a sting is in place to expose him if he dares set foot on any podium or conference. His real occupation and who he really is will make him turn purple as well as those who believed this fraud, all for 15 minutes of fame!

Pete Peterson: Oh how we know who this guy is? Well this guy is a home tinker inventor of useless gadgets who has a work shop! But he is neither a whistle-blower scientist or works on black projects, unless you count him getting black in his workshop, nor does he hold an accredited doctorate what he has is something you buy off the internet worthless to make him look like somebody, the same as some of the above. He use to be seen at fairs trying to sell his gadgets and other rubbish, wonder why the secret government lets him do that?

Now one of these above has an occupation which is closer to a "janitor" than anything else, anybody guess who? Yet Bill & Kerry investigated him? Black opps janitor perhaps?

The group of truth seekers who decided to trace them and expose these phony's are waiting to pounce with their evidence,but only when it will make an impact.

Why because they are sick of these frauds fooling those who want to find the real truth about real conspiracies! Not fantasy they have picked up from books the internet and TV!

Yet they like others have tried to warn Bill & Kerry but they would not have it! These exposes are not meant to embarrass them, but they will sadly.

There are others who are similar but most of them are not trying to sell stuff or have an agenda.There just mostly telling their story. But these have to be exposed, far to many people are believing these frauds.

Bill & Kerry what you had was something great and those of us who have been critical have mostly been because of your lack of discernment not what you set out to do, which we all appreciated, but you blew it you got close to the wrong people and believed BS.

I hope you wake up or discover these frauds really are frauds and you have been hoodwinked, because these are no better than the Ron L Hubbard's of this world. Though the latter was much worse he was a pornographer and paedophile as well as a fraud with his criminal brainwashing Scientology BS.

Bill & Kerry if you get back to what you set out to do in a discerning manor you would have virtually no criticism and you would have grateful followers of your work,because you do have a talent for interviewing and asking good questions that engrosses the viewer or listener.

The truth shall set you free, avoid braggarts fantasists and loud aggressive persons for they are vexations to the soul.

Best Regards
Baron
PS: Moderator notice as usual no fowl language. I once got a warning here from one mod for using the swear word "obsequious"! LOL,that's Really true!

:yawn:

What a dynamite post, that looks to have been one of those periods when a lot of people at once were catching on the the dog and pony show. There was of course another one of those periods barely a year after that with the whole Charles fiasco, but there was also one on ATS 4 years prior, back in 2006. Anyone who doesn't know that's when/where Bill got his start in 2005 with the Charles like Serpo material.

There was the trademark vast following for a while, but then it started to unravel when members started challenging the credibility of the whole space opera, and broke away to start their own forum dedicated to getting to the bottom of it. Those people investigated the shit out of Bill and his friends, and were the ones to originally expose Richard Doty, later shown in the documentary Mirage Men.

I still find it fascinating how so many people have caught onto this crap over the years, yet the beat goes on at the good old Project. Reminds me of the line from Crystal Ship by The Doors:

"Oh tell me where your freedom lies,
The streets are fields that never die"

There are so many lessons to be learned from all of this, and they can be directly applied to our world experience at large.

Dumpster Diver
7th October 2017, 17:28
...or

"You can check out but you can never leave" ~Igges, Hotel Kali

NotAPretender
7th October 2017, 17:32
Not a pretender indeed.

hint/hint ...

Perhaps it's time to do some post thread dividing?

Giovonni, I understand you're an enlightened being but don't take yourself so seriously. I don't...

giovonni
7th October 2017, 17:47
The sad fact is that Bill gradually eased the Original Project Avalon forum (http://projectavalon.net/forum/) off the front burners ... Gradually original members were locked out and could no longer access their own profile pages, post, threads etc ...Then Bill complained it cost too much in maintaining that wonderful first depository site of collective shared information ... Making it marginally noticeabe and nearly impossible to find information unless you knew where it was buried.

Slowly it all kind of went by the way - hardly ever mentioned or for that matter ever referenced ...

The truth of matter is Project Avalon has never truly evolved - instead it just revolves around Bill Ryan world.


Giovonni, I understand you're an enlightened being but don't take yourself so seriously. I don't...

I've never claimed such a thing, but by the way if your not a pretender ...
Who are you and what is your PA2 avatar?

NotAPretender
7th October 2017, 17:53
ohhhh, i can't tell you that...it's a state secret. Need to know and you don't need to know... :)

Honestly, I can't even think of it off the top of my head...i'll get back to you on that one...


Gotcha'

Actually, I just went and checked...it's (WhatTha')

I'm curious though...What would I be pretending? To not being the genius cognitive empath that I am?

NAP

giovonni
7th October 2017, 18:16
ohhhh, i can't tell you that...it's a state secret. Need to know and you don't need to know... :)

Honestly, I can't even think of it off the top of my head...i'll get back to you on that one...


Gotcha'

Actually, I just went and checked...it's (WhatTha')

I'm curious though...What would I be pretending? To not being the genius cognitive empath that I am?

NAP

Thanks

Dumpster Diver
7th October 2017, 18:27
Giovonni, I understand you're an enlightened being but don't take yourself so seriously. I don't...

Yeah, don't be a Donk. :hilarious::dan:

giovonni
7th October 2017, 18:34
:back to topic: ...

http://projectavalon.net/Amazon/Bill_Ryan_by_waterfall.jpg

What Motivates Bill Ryan of Project Avalon Community Forum?

giovonni
7th October 2017, 19:42
ohhhh, i can't tell you that...it's a state secret. Need to know and you don't need to know... :)

Honestly, I can't even think of it off the top of my head...i'll get back to you on that one...


Gotcha'

Actually, I just went and checked...it's (WhatTha')

I'm curious though...What would I be pretending? To not being the genius cognitive empath that I am?

NAP


Thanks

Apparently (a newbie) with no history ....

PA2 joined date September 4, 2017

PS ~ If if you and DD were (have) been just lurking over at PA2 all along ...
Why the continual fun and games (tag teaming) on this particular thread?

NotAPretender
7th October 2017, 19:51
Apparently (a newbie) with no history ....

PA2 joined date September 4, 2017

still not satisfied, huh. Fred (Steeves) has asked me before what my original Avatar name was. I wouldn't tell him because it is a point of shame for me. As I described it to him. I felt raped by the forum and would sooner not open up those old wounds.

For Whatever It's Worth: I was a nobody and still am

I think I have one post there. This forum caught my interest, I knew what to expect from Avalon...so i've been here!

giovonni
7th October 2017, 20:06
Apparently (a newbie) with no history ....

PA2 joined date September 4, 2017

PS ~ If if you and DD were (have) been just lurking over at PA2 all along ...
Why the continual fun and games (tag teaming) on this particular thread?


still not satisfied, huh. Fred (Steeves) has asked me before what my original Avatar name was. I wouldn't tell him because it is a point of shame for me. As I described it to him. I felt raped by the forum and would sooner not open up those old wounds.

For Whatever It's Worth: I was a nobody and still am

I think I have one post there. This forum caught my interest, I knew what to expect from Avalon...so i've been here!

For someone who describes their PA2 experience as being "raped" ...
You do have an odd and funny way of expressing it here...

But i will for now take you at your word as a fellow member ...

Though perhaps you could enlighten us on those true feelings?


We surely don't want anyone else getting raped over there do we.

NotAPretender
7th October 2017, 20:27
Well, as I explained in an earlier post, Bill Ryan personally invited me into the forum in September. As earlier mentioned, I was 'pleasantly' surprised by the correspondence, surprised in many ways. It did a lot to 'wash' the bitterness away, but I still don't want to relive it. Many of the people that were on the forum at the time went on to find other avenues for their hate speech and propaganda and in a perverse way I always took that as vindication. But, in the end, it isn't a matter of life or death. In many ways, forum dwelling is a diversion, a very informative one albeit. I try very seriously to not let virtual existence run my life. One of my most basic characteristics is a burning desire to be a slave to nothing.

Here's an example and a story that is 'funny' to me.

I have a sister-in-law that lives her life on facebook which is cool by me, but last night she posted a comment that she is hated by 80 people (calculated by some obscure app). I think she actually felt bad about it, so, I commented that I was hated by 278 people (calculated) and I don't even exist.

I had to make up a phony facebook page because I lost my original information and could never get facebook to let me know how to fix the problem. Many of my oldest friends have always figured I was plain crazy, so imagine my delight when I comment on their pages under my assumed name and then tell them who I am...I find that hilarious!

NotAPretender
7th October 2017, 20:38
lol, as far as DD is concerned. Aragorn said he was a mathematician, and as a general rule, I don't like mathematicians because they are so 'stuffy'. It seems DD doesn't fit that mold which I find interesting. It suggests to me that he is one of those rare commodities, a mathematician with real brains and imagination. :)

NAP

giovonni
7th October 2017, 20:50
Well, as I explained in an earlier post, Bill Ryan personally invited me into the forum in September. As earlier mentioned, I was 'pleasantly' surprised by the correspondence, surprised in many ways. It did a lot to 'wash' the bitterness away, but I still don't want to relive it. Many of the people that were on the forum at the time went on to find other avenues for their hate speech and propaganda and in a perverse way I always took that as vindication. But, in the end, it isn't a matter of life or death. In many ways, forum dwelling is a diversion, a very informative one albeit. I try very seriously to not let virtual existence run my life. One of my most basic characteristics is a burning desire to be a slave to nothing.

Here's an example and a story that is 'funny' to me.

I have a sister-in-law that lives her life on facebook which is cool by me, but last night she posted a comment that she is hated by 80 people (calculated by some obscure app). I think she actually felt bad about it, so, I commented that I was hated by 278 people (calculated) and I don't even exist.

I had to make up a phony facebook page because I lost my original information and could never get facebook to let me know how to fix the problem. Many of my oldest friends have always figured I was plain crazy, so imagine my delight when I comment on their pages under my assumed name and then tell them who I am...I find that hilarious!

I'm a bit confused by the wording in your paragrah ...

Do you personally know Bill Ryan?

Were you an original PA forum member?

What bitterness are you speaking of?



I try very seriously to not let virtual existence run my life.

Good to hear, but many on these forum boards have real life personal relationships
from them and do take the many hours, months and years spent there on seriously ...

I have personally met Phil (donk) and many others on these forums ...
So taking it all so serious has been very real for many of us ...

PS ~ Even after taking care of Bill in person (hospitality wise) he's never even
contacted me personally or answered my PM's ...

Reading your post, I am very thankful for that now ... :D

NotAPretender
7th October 2017, 20:59
Whatever... I apologize for making light of anyone's real pain, that is the last thing I would do. Incidentally, people that spend time parsing words for meaning are bound to miss the meaning.

giovonni
7th October 2017, 21:07
Whatever... I apologize for making light of anyone's real pain, that is the last thing I would do. Incidentally, people that spend time parsing words for meaning are bound to miss the meaning.

Just simple questions, trying to understand where your coming from?




:back to topic: ...

http://projectavalon.net/Amazon/Bill_Ryan_by_waterfall.jpg

What Motivates Bill Ryan of Project Avalon Community Forum?

NotAPretender
7th October 2017, 21:28
wellll, I don't want to detract from the focus of the thread...I just want to insert an observation on occasion. Seriously, that is where I'm coming from most of the time. I think free-flowing thought, a.k.a. stream of consciousness can be very valuable, I recommend it to anyone that wants to synchronously discover connections....In fact, I think we just did that. Sorry, but that's just me.

Dumpster Diver
7th October 2017, 21:39
lol, as far as DD is concerned. Aragorn said he was a mathematician, and as a general rule, I don't like mathematicians because they are so 'stuffy'. It seems DD doesn't fit that mold which I find interesting. It suggests to me that he is one of those rare commodities, a mathematician with real brains and imagination. :)

NAP

I'm not even a "real" mathematician. I was Math II (Applied) and not one of the Theory Kids. The brainiacs were all Math I (Theory) and looked down at us unwashed applied math guys like we were the alter boys/girls who would never get into the Priesthood.

I cared not as I rapidly gained a job after a 4 year stint and never looked back. With everyone else such math dummies, I was the one-eyed man in the land of the blind and had virtually my pick of jobs with the Defense Dept.

NotAPretender
7th October 2017, 21:46
hmm, if nothing else working with the DoD will give one a sense of humor...

giovonni
7th October 2017, 22:56
lol, as far as DD is concerned. Aragorn said he was a mathematician, and as a general rule, I don't like mathematicians because they are so 'stuffy'. It seems DD doesn't fit that mold which I find interesting. It suggests to me that he is one of those rare commodities, a mathematician with real brains and imagination. :)

NAP

I don't believe anyone needs any mathematicians, to see what's really occurring on this thread.

Aianawa
7th October 2017, 23:04
Well, I learnt lots about the past, PA wise and where some members here are coming from when annoyed, frustrated and angry in regards to the bills and getting hurt in life, internet wise.

NotAPretender
8th October 2017, 13:16
Giovonni,

Seriously, I'm starting to think the one that wants to divert attention is you? What the heck are you talking about? It doesn't seem to be Bill Ryan which is the focus of the thread.

Are you trying to support BR? I mean that is certainly ok with me, after all, we all have opinions, not biblical truths!

NAP

giovonni
8th October 2017, 16:21
Your digging yourself into a hole dude ...


wellll, I don't want to detract from the focus of the thread...I just want to insert an observation on occasion. Seriously, that is where I'm coming from most of the time. I think free-flowing thought, a.k.a. stream of consciousness can be very valuable, I recommend it to anyone that wants to synchronously discover connections....In fact, I think we just did that. Sorry, but that's just me.

hmm


Giovonni,

Seriously, I'm starting to think the one that wants to divert attention is you? What the heck are you talking about? It doesn't seem to be Bill Ryan which is the focus of the thread.

Are you trying to support BR? I mean that is certainly ok with me, after all, we all have opinions, not biblical truths!

NAP

On the other hand - I (and others here) could also say you are in fact doing that yourself ...

And I am not joking here ...

Bill Ryan and his minions have hurt many over the years ... That's a fact !

To me you are just trolling this thread, and after your assertion that you were supposedly "raped" by the Avalon forum yesterday ... I believe it's you who needs to still answer the questions that i put forth to you yesterday - and perhaps even more so since you have no post history (to show for) that indicates any claim you are making ...

You joined The One Truth Forum April 3, 2017 ... then supposedly on a personal invite by Bill Ryan himself you rejoin PA2 Sept 4, 2017 - My question to you is what was your avatar (if any) prior to supposedly re-joining PA2 again ?

NotAPretender
8th October 2017, 16:37
hah, that's not going to happen, to put it in the vernacular, you are just being 'snoopy'.

Let me clarify. I've been castigated before for not reading a thread before commenting which I think is somewhat 'constricted' thinking to even suggest a thing, but, in any case, as I explained in an earlier post, I was banned from PA2 in 2012 I think it was. As stated earlier, I arrived there shortly after Lord Sidious had caused some kind of uproar, I never new what but he had just been banned to the apparent chagrin of many, but that's not the point. I was banned after posting a goodbye and a f*ck you. I later apologized to the objects of my post on a different forum. As not unexpected "they" rather enjoyed the dilly dally of 'drama and fighting' and no matter what I would try, the apology was always essentially rejected. So, I had been trying periodically for 5 years to be admitted back to PA2 because in truth, I wasn't finished fighting my battle on PA2. I had always been rejected but finally received an email from one Hat Dude, asking why I wanted back in after my earlier 'rampage' and I explained what my motivations for posting were. He acceded that I wasn't what I had been portrayed as and let me back in. That's the whole story, not really worth all this bandwidth in my estimation.

NAP

giovonni
8th October 2017, 16:47
hah, that's not going to happen, to put it in the vernacular, you are just being 'snoopy'.

Let me clarify. I've been castigated before for not reading a thread before commenting which I think is somewhat 'constricted' thinking to even suggest a thing, but, in any case, as I explained in an earlier post, I was banned from PA2 in 2012 I think it was. As stated earlier, I arrived there shortly after Lord Sidious had caused some kind of uproar, I never new what but he had just been banned to the apparent chagrin of many, but that's not the point. I was banned after posting a goodbye and a f*ck you. I later apologized to the objects of my post on a different forum. As not unexpected "they" rather enjoyed the dilly dally of 'drama and fighting' and no matter what I would try, the apology was always essentially rejected. So, I had been trying periodically for 5 years to be admitted back to PA2 because in truth, I wasn't finished fighting my battle on PA2. I had always been rejected but finally received an email from one Hat Dude, asking why I wanted back in after my earlier 'rampage' and I explained what my motivations for posting were. He acceded that I wasn't what I had been portrayed as and let me back in. That's the whole story, not really worth all this bandwidth in my estimation.

NAP

Perhaps you could get your friend Bill to verify all this crap ?

:back to topic:

NotAPretender
8th October 2017, 17:12
ok, you win. I don't even know why you are asking but you win. What you really should do is simply state you don't want anyone siphoning off your attention for what you consider superfluous reasons. I'm ok with that! But you might remember that one man's 'superfluous' is another man's 'interest'.

Outlander
8th October 2017, 18:33
Sometimes I'm inspired, sometimes I'm more inspired

AVALONOGY DONATICS

PA2 Round Table Declaration:

:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :::::::::::::::::::::::

• We stand together for the future of the Human Race.

• We will not tolerate suppression of the truth.

• We stand together to support others in the expression of truths and freedom to speak out... no matter how radical those ideas may seem.

• Standing for freedom takes courage; together we shall be strong in the face of all odds.

• We will do everything we can to work towards the establishment of a new way of living together on Planet Earth.

:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :::::::::::::::::::::::

I wonder if the people who have put their name under this noble PA2 Round Table Declaration, have read the Patriot Act 1 & 2.
If not, perhaps they should.

• We will do everything we can to work towards the establishment of a new way of living together on Planet Earth.

With the Patriot Act 1 & 2 in hand, signing this, could mark you as a potential 'terrorist'!

Wait a second…

P. A. 1 & 2 …

:omg:

Patriot Act 1 & 2 ...

Coincidence? :whstl:


"Pretentious? Moi?"
What really p#sses me off about Bill Ryan, is that he seems to think he is some sort of godlike idol.
I've send this guy 2 or 3 emails, and never received an answer. – mind you, if I mail Bono, I get a reply within 24 hours max.

Now please tell me: 'Who the f#ck is Bill Ryan, to have an attitude like that?'
Nobody I know has ever heard of the guy.

Someone just pm-ed me: “Did you know that Life of Brian originally was named Life of B. Ryan?”
No I kid you not.
It was only after B. Ryan had read the script he realized this movie was not about him but about his brother Brian.
Brian Ryan?
“One & the same”
No I kid you not!

B. Ryan: "You're all individuals !!!! "

Crowd: "Yes !!! We're all individuals !!!"

Lone Man: "I'm not. "

B. Ryan: "You don't need me or anyone else to tell you what to do.…"

Yep, that must be Brian.


Usually rats are the first to leave a sinking ship, but in this particular saga, it's the other way round.

Everyone with an open, healthy and slightly suspicious mind, has been kicked off of this boat & those with no mind of their own at all, are invited to sail the ship.

I posted this and those 2 other posts following the above at page 13 not only to drop my mask - for I've got nothing to hide, but also to see in what direction this thread would go.
Those who should have had the most questions because all that was completely new to them, ignored my posts and started a bs conversation.



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enjoy being
8th October 2017, 20:02
From what I have observed over a bit of time, some seem to be placing a wee bit too much importance to this thread, a wee bit too much importance on Bill Ryan and his forums, and a wee bit too much importance in themselves.

Outlander
8th October 2017, 20:20
From what I have observed over a bit of time, some seem to be placing a wee bit too much importance to this thread, a wee bit too much importance on Bill Ryan and his forums, and a wee bit too much importance in themselves.

One is master over the words not spoken and becomes a slave of what one says.

A man's gotta know his limitations and from what I observe you're going a wee bit over the edge now.

:whstl:

enjoy being
8th October 2017, 20:37
One is master over the words not spoken and becomes a slave of what one says.

A man's gotta know his limitations and from what I observe you're going a wee bit over the edge now.

:whstl:
? No thanks keep your advice or whatever that was supposed to be.

Outlander
8th October 2017, 20:57
From what I have observed over a bit of time, some seem to be placing a wee bit too much importance to this thread, a wee bit too much importance on Bill Ryan and his forums, and a wee bit too much importance in themselves.


One is master over the words not spoken and becomes a slave of what one says.

A man's gotta know his limitations and from what I observe you're going a wee bit over the edge now.

:whstl:


? No thanks keep your advice or whatever that was supposed to be.

Just an observation

enjoy being
8th October 2017, 21:01
Just an observation
Okay... hmm more observations I could make then.. focusses binocs on outlander.. hmm oh best not.

donk
9th October 2017, 12:53
I posted this and those 2 other posts following the above at page 13 not only to drop my mask - for I've got nothing to hide, but also to see in what direction this thread would go.
Those who should have had the most questions because all that was completely new to them, ignored my posts and started a bs conversation.



:Bump: ..... : Sherlock: ..... :bump2::thonetruthsmiliey:.....:ninja: .......... :bump2::thonetruthsmiliey: ....:Bump: ..... : Sherlock: :bump2::thonetruthsmiliey:..... ..........
:ninja: .......... :bump2:.....:thonetruthsmiliey:.......:Bump: .......... : Sherlock: :thonetruthsmiliey:..........:ninja: .......... :bump2:.....:thonetruthsmiliey:

That particular one didn't make a lot of sense to me, what exactly were you trying to reveal with that?

The other post were really good, I appreciated them...shame how quickly they get buried by nonsense

NotAPretender
9th October 2017, 15:08
Hi Donk,

I'm NotAPretender. What is nonsense? You tell me and I'll attempt to justify my part of the nonsense. It might be worthwhile.

We might as well delve into the drama need that we all have!

Outlander
9th October 2017, 18:41
That particular one didn't make a lot of sense to me, what exactly were you trying to reveal with that?

The other post were really good, I appreciated them...shame how quickly they get buried by nonsense

They were meant as one but I posted them in 3 parts because it was too much text for one post.

They're a sort of summary of the 7 pages of the 'Are you having a laugh' thread - http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=21049 - at PA1, where we see the last convulsions of the forum.

Can you imagine such texts being posted in todays PA?

I give it 5 minutes before they are deleted,

Anyway, I was surprised to see them 'buried by nonsense' .

I thought the name of this thread was What Motivates Bill Ryan of Project Avalon Community Forum?

:tea:


Okay... hmm more observations I could make then.. focusses binocs on outlander.. hmm oh best not.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=xxoMqs7iGqk

Dreamtimer
9th October 2017, 20:39
It was interesting looking at the posts from MoA. In part because of the amazing new whistleblower who 'showed up' in 2014. Already people were commenting on how CG was not being asked tough questions.

The motive then would have been the attention and traffic. The motive now is still some of that, right? But now it's how CG isn't the real thing at all. This 'change' has happened in a manner focusing on only one figure. People here have pointed out the parade of 'insiders' and whistleblowers that have gone through PA.

So what is the continuing motive? Does it bring in new members? If there is a cult mentality, how does that fit in? It kinda looks like Bill's cult spawned Corey's cult. Ironically, Bill's cult would have been spawned by the originator, LRonH. Is the Ruiner leading one? It seems to metastasize.

I'm not sure how much I really want to understand what motivates cult mentality.

It wouldn't be all the members, just the ones in the inner circles.

enjoy being
9th October 2017, 21:57
It's the nature of the landscape to a point I think Dreamtimer. If the site was a forum for CCTV enthusiasts or a sporting code, my guess is there would be different sorts of personalities involved. And my guess is the members would be far less melodramatic and far less likely to fall into saviour complexes and such. There are types of people involved in these sorts of sites that are, how do we say, eccentric and more.
Plenty from that state of mind and outlook, love sitting there reading all the stories and side swipes and over flowing content. That's one of the problems in lots of ways, far too much content, plenty of people that fancy themselves as roving reporters placing their daily news and anecdotes.. a lot of it being just sugary tabloid entertainment akin to cartoons. Or the 'Confucius says' types. The types of audiences that like that kind of stuff are definitely going to be a bit preprimed to get a bit culty or obsessed. I have to remind myself that there are a good deal of theoretically unbalanced or potentially crazy people floating around making their own billboards etc.

Outlander
12th October 2017, 20:53
It's the nature of the landscape to a point I think Dreamtimer. If the site was a forum for CCTV enthusiasts or a sporting code, my guess is there would be different sorts of personalities involved. And my guess is the members would be far less melodramatic and far less likely to fall into saviour complexes and such. There are types of people involved in these sorts of sites that are, how do we say, eccentric and more.
Plenty from that state of mind and outlook, love sitting there reading all the stories and side swipes and over flowing content. That's one of the problems in lots of ways, far too much content, plenty of people that fancy themselves as roving reporters placing their daily news and anecdotes.. a lot of it being just sugary tabloid entertainment akin to cartoons. Or the 'Confucius says' types. The types of audiences that like that kind of stuff are definitely going to be a bit preprimed to get a bit culty or obsessed. I have to remind myself that there are a good deal of theoretically unbalanced or potentially crazy people floating around making their own billboards etc.
You didn't mention the 'high and mighty, belittling and cocky' type, Nothing...

enjoy being
12th October 2017, 21:52
You didn't mention the 'high and mighty, belittling and cocky' type, Nothing...

No...no I didn't? Perhaps you can fill us in?

I do know that often such accusations come down to at least an even percentage of the accuser's own perceptions, and their own emotional state and/or concept of self.

Sure, you get arrogant people who are genuinely arrogant and a large number of people can agree on it, but then you get individuals who think someone is arrogant, because of... well their own 'thing' in their head, whichever it may be. Of course it could be helped along by a clash in personality, a clash in style of communication, language, even a clash in style of humour can do it.

Outlander
13th October 2017, 02:48
No...no I didn't? Perhaps you can fill us in?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOdjCb4LwQY

Dreamtimer
13th October 2017, 02:49
I have a family member who is constantly projecting her own feelings, etc., onto others and reacting as if they had said or felt whatever it was. It's quite maddening.

Are you describing BR, Outlander?

Aragorn
13th October 2017, 05:00
I have a family member who is constantly projecting her own feelings, etc., onto others and reacting as if they had said or felt whatever it was.

I've known a lot of people like that in my time, and in fact, I still do. :tea:

NotAPretender
13th October 2017, 19:12
I'd love to respond to some of these posts but I'm concerned that it could be construed as nonsense....hahahahahahaha!!!! ok, i will do it anyway and I'll even attempt to make it topic relevant.

Projection is a horrible problem for society. Good people expect bad people to do good! Bad people expect good people to do bad! Now tell me that's not a BIG problem. So the question is....drumroll, please...Is Bill Ryan good or bad and what is the projection to which he is subject?!

tarka the duck
24th October 2017, 09:47
We had the dubious pleasure of spending 2 weeks getting up close and personal with Bill Ryan ...

When he was living with Christine while she worked at Madre Tierra guest house in Vilcambamba, Ecuador, Tony (hubby) and I decided to go and check him out in out in the flesh. We'd been members of Avalon for a few years, and were travelling in that area at the time: we'd become increasingly disillusioned with the hype surrounding the man, and wanted to see for ourselves.

It was fascinating in the fact that he was utterly un-fascinating. In fact, it was sad. He'd lived in Ecuador for quite some time, but at that point, had learned no Spanish. He rarely went into the town, despite telling us that we would meet many interesting people there (we didn't - too many ex-pats sitting around drinking and playing cards in the sun).

The two families who owned the hotel clearly saw him as a parasite (they spoke to us about their feelings): he had been staying in Christine's room for months, and he really was out of place. I'm not wildly gregarious, but he was extremely uncomfortable around people - unless he was the centre of attention. We were able to watch his behaviour and body language at length, and had many chats with both him and Christine, until he realised that we weren't that impressed. I think it was when he told us, during a conversation about Buddhism, that he'd lived in Tibet for a thousand years, and then sat back waiting for our adoration, that the scales had dropped from our eyes. After that, for 5 days, he cut us dead. :(

He exhibited classic narcissistic personality disorder traits. I actually felt sorry for him, especially when, at a screening of 'Thrive' at the hotel, he told the audience that he knew "every single word of this movie is true". He is 'blessed' with great self belief, but unfortunately, it appears to be groundless.

NotAPretender
24th October 2017, 13:48
Hi Tarka,

Your tale sounds very 'up close and personal'. It does sound pretty sad, if not disturbed behavior on his part. That's rough!

Dumpster Diver
24th October 2017, 15:29
We had the dubious pleasure of spending 2 weeks getting up close and personal with Bill Ryan ...

When he was living with Christine while she worked at Madre Tierra guest house in Vilcambamba, Ecuador, Tony (hubby) and I decided to go and check him out in out in the flesh. We'd been members of Avalon for a few years, and were travelling in that area at the time: we'd become increasingly disillusioned with the hype surrounding the man, and wanted to see for ourselves.

It was fascinating in the fact that he was utterly un-fascinating. In fact, it was sad. He'd lived in Ecuador for quite some time, but at that point, had learned no Spanish. He rarely went into the town, despite telling us that we would meet many interesting people there (we didn't - too many ex-pats sitting around drinking and playing cards in the sun).

The two families who owned the hotel clearly saw him as a parasite (they spoke to us about their feelings): he had been staying in Christine's room for months, and he really was out of place. I'm not wildly gregarious, but he was extremely uncomfortable around people - unless he was the centre of attention. We were able to watch his behaviour and body language at length, and had many chats with both him and Christine, until he realised that we weren't that impressed. I think it was when he told us, during a conversation about Buddhism, that he'd lived in Tibet for a thousand years, and then sat back waiting for our adoration, that the scales had dropped from our eyes. After that, for 5 days, he cut us dead. :(

He exhibited classic narcissistic personality disorder traits. I actually felt sorry for him, especially when, at a screening of 'Thrive' at the hotel, he told the audience that he knew "every single word of this movie is true". He is 'blessed' with great self belief, but unfortunately, it appears to be groundless.

Self delusion or imposed memories? Jesus complex with little charisma? Could be another MILAB?

But again, I will say his antics against CG and DW smacks of a designed psyop against the alt-world community. Nobody in the muggle community knows this clown.

Great insight, thanks.


From what I have observed over a bit of time, some seem to be placing a wee bit too much importance to this thread, a wee bit too much importance on Bill Ryan and his forums, and a wee bit too much importance in themselves.

BR is the Harvey Weinstein of the alt-world community but a bit less aggressive? The man is an extreme menace.


You didn't mention the 'high and mighty, belittling and cocky' type, Nothing...

...or folks who think they are a Bat :batman

NotAPretender
24th October 2017, 15:43
Baseball bat, Dumpy... :)

Dumpster Diver
24th October 2017, 18:15
Baseball bat, Dumpy... :)

There are no cool emojis for baseball bats...

...we’re all flash and little substance here in Bat-land.

tarka the duck
25th October 2017, 10:03
Self delusion or imposed memories? Jesus complex with little charisma? Could be another MILAB?



We did seriously wonder whether Christine was his 'minder': he seemed so vacant and lost, and spent a lot of time standing around with his arms folded - classic self hugging stress relief behaviour, masking insecurities (with him, it didn't come over as a 'power pose' at all). He was isolated, with his hat pulled down over his eyes... it wasn't that he didn't want to say anything, as he seemed to love those occasions when he had a passive audience - it was more that he had nothing to say, lacking both insight and secret understandings. Having watched him, I found it easy to entertain the idea that he could easily be manipulated: it's sad to say that he came across as a man without a cause in desperate need of a 'mission'.

Meanwhile, she bustled here and there, and seemed to be more in charge ...

PS I have no personal agenda when I recount this experience: I don't hold a grudge, and never had a 'falling out' with either him or the PA forum - I'm merely stating what we observed.