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Exit 0
24th October 2020, 14:15
The endless controversy over private messages may have a simple explanation. PMs per se are off limits, yes, but member-to-member exchanges (Visitor messages) gathered up into conversations on a member’s personal page are readable by all members and no non-members. Some people (perhaps not all) may well be talking at cross-purposes.

araucaria,
When I was a member at PA, I had a continuing Private Message dialogue with one specific individual (name withheld). No other members were ever included in this continuing dialogue.

Bill Ryan commented to me (at the end of my membership) that the moderation team had never seen two members use the private message function in the way that I had been using it - as a private communication device.

These Private Messages numbered well over 1000. We began the dialogue when we first became members, and continued it until we were banned.

I hope this clarifies your confusion.

Aragorn
24th October 2020, 14:31
araucaria,
When I was a member at PA, I had a continuing Private Message dialogue with one specific individual (name withheld). No other members were ever included in this continuing dialogue.

Bill Ryan commented to me (at the end of my membership) that the moderation team had never seen two members use the private message function in the way that I had been using it - as a private communication device.

I hope this clarifies your confusion.

Just for the record, every super moderator ─ which at Project Avalon means "anyone on the moderator team" ─ and every administrator can, when looking at the Who's Online (https://jandeane81.com/online.php), see when someone is looking at a PM, and who sent that PM. However, they cannot see what's in the PM ─ only who sent it. When an ordinary member looks at the Who's Online (https://jandeane81.com/online.php), they'll only see the words "Private messaging" next to the name of the member who's looking at a PM.

Chuckie
24th October 2020, 14:35
curious Aragorn, is there a member log of 'private messaging' ... :drama: :) ... if so, it's a good way to determine 'directions' ... the patterns would be obvious ... :)

Exit 0
24th October 2020, 15:03
curious Aragorn, is there a member log of 'private messaging' ... :drama: :) ... if so, it's a good way to determine 'directions' ... the patterns would be obvious ... :)

NotAPretender,

One of the last things Bill Ryan told me, just before I was terminated, was that Paul could send me a compressed file of all my Private Messages in an email, if I wanted them.

I declined.

Aragorn
24th October 2020, 15:09
curious Aragorn, is there a member log of 'private messaging' ... :drama: :) ... if so, it's a good way to determine 'directions' ... the patterns would be obvious ... :)

Not that I know of, no. :hmm:





NotAPretender,

One of the last things Bill Ryan told me, just before I was terminated, was that Paul could send me a compressed file of all my Private Messages in an email, if I wanted them.

I declined.

I suppose if you can interact with the database directly, then you can retrieve that information. But you have to know how the database is structured, and you have to be very good with SQL, which is a database language.

Exit 0
24th October 2020, 15:18
Aragorn,

During the final week of my sojourn at PA, I spent a week of nights deleting all my Private Messages. It was then that Bill sent me that final message regarding a compressed file.

Bill explained that my effort was futile, because all those private messages were still on the "database". With that, he offered to have Paul send me all that I had been deleting.

Chuckie
24th October 2020, 15:23
:)

Select * from dbPrivateMessages where Aragorn.MessageID = NAP.MessageID and Aragorn.veryPrivateMessageStuffID = Nap.veryPrivatesMessageStuffID

ooohh, this is some good stuff. Wow, I didn't know that about her... hehe, if only I'd known!


Aragorn,

During the final week of my sojourn at PA, I spent a week of nights deleting all my Private Messages. It was then that Bill sent me that final message regarding a compressed file.

Bill explained that my effort was futile, because all those private messages were still on the "database". With that, he offered to have Paul send me all that I had been deleting.

My specialty is doing stuff 'they' say can't be done ... :)

Dreamtimer
24th October 2020, 15:26
Like compete with Aianawa in terms of understandable posts?

Chuckie
24th October 2020, 15:27
lol ...

Exit 0
24th October 2020, 15:44
:)

Select * from dbPrivateMessages where Aragorn.MessageID = NAP.MessageID and Aragorn.veryPrivateMessageStuffID = Nap.veryPrivatesMessageStuffID

ooohh, this is some good stuff. Wow, I didn't know that about her... hehe, if only I'd known!



My specialty is doing stuff 'they' say can't be done ... :)

NotAPretender,

I have no understanding of this "code" you have referenced. I’m not as computer literate as the moderators in this Thread.

Are you suggesting that you can read the Project Avalon database, and that you have accessed the individual (name withheld) that I was Private Messaging with?

Chuckie
24th October 2020, 15:46
:) Let me at it!

No, not at all, it was just a bit of a joke reference to the 'general' ambience of the thread. Not meant to imply anything regarding forums and their security.

Aragorn
24th October 2020, 16:10
NotAPretender,

I have no understanding of this "code" you have referenced. I’m not as computer literate as the moderators in this Thread.

It's the syntax of an SQL command. SQL (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SQL) stands for "structured query language", and it strongly resembles normal English in its syntax.



select [NAME OF COLUMN(S)] from [NAME OF TABLE] where [CERTAIN CONDITION APPLIES]

araucaria
24th October 2020, 16:26
araucaria,
When I was a member at PA, I had a continuing Private Message dialogue with one specific individual (name withheld). No other members were ever included in this continuing dialogue.

Bill Ryan commented to me (at the end of my membership) that the moderation team had never seen two members use the private message function in the way that I had been using it - as a private communication device.

These Private Messages numbered well over 1000. We began the dialogue when we first became members, and continued it until we were banned.

I hope this clarifies your confusion.

No confusion Exit0: I did say maybe not all. In your case, Bill Ryan was possibly just concerned with the volume of traffic involved. You make no suggestion that he was actually reading your stuff. Where would he find the time, I wonder? Or the interest? I would just comment on your inordinate use of the PM facility with an analogy. Here in France, you may use a public bar as your private office if you wish, but a waiter will come and take your order every hour. This is to ensure fair use of their valuable space. When two individuals have so much to say to each other, out of common courtesy they usually take their conversation elsewhere. If you don’t, then at least don’t come complaining about the service.

On another matter raised by Aragorn, there do seem to a few questions over Hervé’s new account as Gwin Ru.
1) why is Gwin Ru’s join date backdated to 3rd July 2018? Was Hervé suffering from covid back in 2018? Or was it not backdated at all and set up for a rainy day somewhere down the line?
2) I don’t think ordinary members at least are allowed to have more than one account. Why should administrators be any different? Alternatively, since there is no overlap, why not just state that Hervé was back under another user name?
3) there is an unnecessary degree of deception when in his second post, back in April, Gwin Ru talks about Hervé’s possibly being right re covid, as if they were different people.
4) Hervé’s previous handle was Amzer zo, which is Breton for ‘no hurry’ or words to that effect. Gwin Ru is Breton for ‘red wine’. Why choose a name that in itself might be enough for someone to concoct a theory about kidney failure due to overconsumption of alcohol?
5) does any of this matter? Probably not. My little idle-minded dead-end theory goes like this. Hervé has been administering the forum from his local bar. Every hour he would order a Gwin Ru. Either he was working too hard or... the barman was superspreader zero.

Aragorn
24th October 2020, 16:50
On another matter raised by Aragorn, there do seem to a few questions over Hervé’s new account as Gwin Ru.
1) why is Gwin Ru’s join date backdated to 3rd July 2018? Was Hervé suffering from covid back in 2018? Or was it not backdated at all and set up for a rainy day somewhere down the line?
2) I don’t think ordinary members at least are allowed to have more than one account. Why should administrators be any different? Alternatively, since there is no overlap, why not just state that Hervé was back under another user name?

It was Hervé's test account as an administrator. He asked Bill whether he could come back incognito for a while ─ albeit that Bill is now under the impression that it's going to be permanent ─ and he asked Bill to rename the test account to Gwin Ru.

I had a test account too over there ─ in fact, to the best of my knowledge, my test account is still active, because I only thought about it after I had already retired my main account, and thus, when I no longer had the ability to retire the test account as well.


3) there is an unnecessary degree of deception when in his second post, back in April, Gwin Ru talks about Hervé’s possibly being right re covid, as if they were different people.

At that point in time, Hervé really did still intend to remain anonymous. But things have changed in the meantime. At present time, Gwin Ru has already long given away that he is, in fact, Hervé in a different guise, and ─ at least, according to Bill ─ that he has no intention of returning to being Hervé.


4) Hervé’s previous handle was Amzer zo, which is Breton for ‘no hurry’ or words to that effect. Gwin Ru is Breton for ‘red wine’. Why choose a name that in itself might be enough for someone to concoct a theory about kidney failure due to overconsumption of alcohol?

I think you're seeing things that aren't there. Just because one likes red wine does not make one an alcoholic just yet, and I for one certainly wouldn't have deducted anything of that nature from him choosing that name, other than that it is indeed Bréton for "red wine".


5) does any of this matter? Probably not. My little idle-minded dead-end theory goes like this. Hervé has been administering the forum from his local bar. Every hour he would order a Gwin Ru. Either he was working too hard or... the barman was superspreader zero.

I don't know where you got this theory, but it sounds quite far-fetched to me. Either way, all of the symptoms described by you-know-who ─ and I know her Project Avalon name too ─ were congruent with Covid-19. I've had Covid-19 myself ─ twice now ─ and I'm still battling with the aftereffects of the disease, so not only do I recognize the symptoms, but I can also fully understand that it has long-lasting consequences, and that it causes neurological damage. It's a filthy virus.

As for where Hervé would have contracted it, who knows? I myself barely have any real-world contact with other people, and even I don't know where I got it. I suspect the supermarket, but the second infection could just as easily have come from my household physician, whom I had to see on a house call over a different issue only a few days before I got the symptoms again.

donk
24th October 2020, 20:46
Again, your perception of things based on your own beliefs, are not "official"

Can you possibly show me the documents where Bill Ryan has documented his "Church" and let me remind you that posts on the internet, that affect someone else's ego, are not "official" in anyway, specially, again, when the purpose/meaning/effect is determined by every person's perspective

And second, the post i replied to, was about Scientology, not the stupidity about US politics, why did you change to this issue?

I never mentioned, or care about the idiot US politics, so it seems odd you changed to that narrative so suddenly

But yet, "The Church of Scientology" and the "Free Zone" are not the same, at all, separation of identity comes to mind

Do you think all Asians are Chinese, or all Chinese are Asian? Are there possibly some Russian that are also Asians? What about the Cossacks, are they Asian? Or Russian, or Azerbaijanis?

Maybe because Azerbaijani people have beliefs in Islam it means they are also Turkish, or Iranians?

Free Zone may be separate from the church, but that’s like saying Catholicism is different than Mormons...the core beliefs are the same, instead of Jesus they both worship L Ron.

I had posted a DM Bill sent me HERE, cuz I posted up the sacred OT3, the handwritten raving of Hubbard tripping his face off. He suggested my then recent MS diagnosis could be from exposure to that “tech” as a reckless uninitiated non-high-level L Ron worshiper.

Definitely had a grudge at that time, as he was portraying his faith to be less fundamentalist than I learned it was, and I was pretty deep in the cult to his personality at that time. Which happens to be the time he unveiled his sooper seckret whistleblower he made us all pretend to “protect goodETxSG’s identity”. Shortly after which, he used his cult to gang shame his now ex-wife.

I don’t have a grudge anymore, but do poke my two cents in whenever I see him being discussed. Like you said, you don’t see the whole story...how could you, unless someone else told ya?

It’s funny, I tried logging in the other day just to see, and the reason for my permanent ban at Avalon was exposing private messages, it was strongly worded—will have to go back and copy. At the time, the late mod Sierra originally gave me the boot for something like “asking for special privileges” when I posted publicly I had my inbox full on purpose-so please stop using your mod powers to send me more...at the time I was obsessed with transparency and honesty and felt any discussion on a friggin forum should be out for all to see...how silly I was

Oh...forgot: you can’t go back to see my post I mentioned cuz coincidentally within a couple days of that, the previous TOT completely disappeared somehow, the only posts that exist start sometime after that—maybe someone knows how to find first post of this incarnation?

Wind
24th October 2020, 21:30
Donk, Malisa can't see the messages on this thread anymore.

Exit 0
24th October 2020, 22:15
For everyone concerned with this Private Message debate, I have a correction and an apology to make.

This all happened quite a while ago, and my memory is fading to all the details.

How my unnamed friend and I had been communicating at PA was on the Visitor's Message format. We both had limited outside access to our visitor's messages exclusively to just the two of us. We did that because visitor's messages were unlimited, so we could chat back-and-forth, like we were in a private chatroom. We naively believed no one could see what we were saying. That was true for the other members, however the moderators must have been having their hoot reading what we were saying. So much for respecting private conversations.

Bottom line, I'm sorry if I got anyone's tail feathers up in a ruffle.

The purpose of my post #719 had nothing to do with debating if private messages can be read. My intention was to expose how Bill Ryan grants special favors to attractive women members, for his own manipulation.


Post #719
It's been a long time since I posted on this website, so, I'm not going to read-through 718 cimments to catch-up.

I was banned from PA as the member "observer". 2508

When I was banned, Mr. Ryan wrote me a private message detailing how he had read-through my private messages, between myself and a member friend, whom Bill refered to as my "sock puppet".
He told me how he could see (from the dialogue) how I had tried to "moderate" this friend's offensive public comments (offensive, of course, to Bill Ryan).
He also told me that he regreated banning me, but that it had been the decission of the Moderating Team.

Just recently, Bill granted my friend's membership back. Upon which he sent my friend on a fact-finding mission about France, to locate the whereabouts of his missing pet moderator Herve'

I mention all this, because it has long been my suspicion that Project Avalon is a 'honeypot trap' - for the express use of Bill Ryan.

My friend, of course, is an attractive female.

donk
24th October 2020, 22:52
Donk, Malisa can't see the messages on this thread anymore.

Heh...I’m a bit behind. Did see you post the old “move on” trope...sucks bud, I don’t mean to make you annoyed or your job harder and totally but get it, but I like to reminisce...never get tired of talking about it

She was a sock puppet for BR anyway, I am sure “she” will get the message:o

donk
24th October 2020, 23:03
It's been a long time since I posted on this website, so, I'm not going to read-through 718 cimments to catch-up.

I was banned from PA as the member "observer". 2508

When I was banned, Mr. Ryan wrote me a private message detailing how he had read-through my private messages, between myself and a member friend, whom Bill refered to as my "sock puppet".
He told me how he could see (from the dialogue) how I had tried to "moderate" this friend's offensive public comments (offensive, of course, to Bill Ryan).
He also told me that he regreated banning me, but that it had been the decission of the Moderating Team.

Just recently, Bill granted my friend's membership back. Upon which he sent my friend on a fact-finding mission about France, to locate the whereabouts of his missing pet moderator Herve'

I mention all this, because it has long been my suspicion that Project Avalon is a 'honeypot trap' - for the express use of Bill Ryan.

My friend, of course, is an attractive female.

Holy moley—good stuff. He accused you of having pm convo with yourself??? I guess he assumed you knew he read pms?

Added: sorry folks, I promise to read the dang thread before posting again. I don’t know how I used to do it, quite exhausting

Wind
24th October 2020, 23:15
She was a sock puppet for BR anyway, I am sure “she” will get the message:o

You mean Malisa? I'm not sure what you're smoking, but that's not the case.

This thread is rather useless, we could have much better discussions here.

Lord Sidious
25th October 2020, 05:07
She was a sock puppet for BR anyway, I am sure “she” will get the message:o

She's a lot of things, but she's not a he................

donk
25th October 2020, 05:18
I was joking...sheesh

Wind
25th October 2020, 05:37
You forgot to use enough proper smilies!

Chris
25th October 2020, 20:38
I've said it before and I'll say it again, there is an undisclosed and unacknowledged undercurrent of Paranoia and Cultism over at PA.

Some of it comes as a natural consequence of focussing and encouraging paranoid conspiracy theories, but there is a connecting tissue with Scientology and its basic beliefs that explains a lot of the goings-on over there.

If I knew about the forum's links to Scientology beforehand, I would never have joined in the first place.

A lot of newer members are unaware that Scientology-based world views shape the general Zeitgeist of the forum, and it would be really helpful for people who dislike groupthink and cultish behaviour if they were properly informed. I think this thread on TOT is therefore a very valuable resource.

sourcetruth
28th May 2022, 00:48
There is plenty of material all over the forum that shows how Corey changes his story all the time, as well as plenty of testimony of his antics. Also, on the day he left the forum, he was only abusing the forum anymore for advertising his guest appearances on various radio shows, and he falsely accused another staff member and myself of being followers of his enemy, Shane "The Ruiner" Bales ─ who, for that matter, is an equally great liar and storyteller, and we caught him in own his web of lies just the same.

Also, while Corey was a member here and he couldn't get me to do what he wanted me to do, he just went over my head and took it straight to Malc (The One), the founder of The One Truth. But of course, Malc stood by us, and he knew that the allegations were false, because none of us had ever been remotely interested in the Ruiner material ─ we all knew it was bunk.

Lastly, on account of Corey's dealings with Project Avalon, I was there, both on and behind the scenes. I know what happened. You may choose to disbelieve it, but then that's on you. The evidence is all out there.

After looking more into him, then I do see now that Corey Goode is a fraud. I didn’t know much about him before when I first came here, I only knew of him because I had briefly seen him on Gaia.
The mainstream spiritual community has many people who just want profit, fame, or followers, and he is one of those. He tried to appeal to the simple minded mainstream spirituality mentality to gain fame.
When I see someone who tries to make profit, especially when they have gotten famous, then I do get very suspicious of them, especially when they want you to pay hundreds of dollars for something.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/4ayyqw/david-wilcock-ufo-conspiracy-theorist-covid-19-deep-state-ascension
It seems like there are other frauds promoted on PA from what I have heard, their kind of mentality on the forum makes them prone to these figures. In general, they have a new age/mainstream spirituality conspiratorial mindset over there.
Those within the communities new age and mainstream spirituality are prone to falsehoods and misinformation because in mainstream spirituality there is a lot of information watered down and filtered to be appealing to people instead of real substance.

As far as the topic of UFOs and aliens, there are a lot of frauds out there from what I have heard. Do you know anyone who you don't think is a fraud when it comes to these topics?

Aragorn
28th May 2022, 01:34
As far as the topic of UFOs and aliens, there are a lot of frauds out there from what I have heard. Do you know anyone who you don't think is a fraud when it comes to these topics?

Wow, that's a difficult one to answer, and especially now that I've become quite a cynic when it comes to UFO/UAP witnesses. So I tend to lean more toward the kinds of people who aren't selling anything, like Luis Elizondo, who headed the former Pentagon research into UAPs, or someone like Gary Heseltine, whom we have interviewed in 2015 (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/8167-The-One-Truth-interviews-Gary-Heseltine-UFO-Researcher), and who was doing research on the topic on account of the British police force. There are more people like that, many of whom appeared at the first Disclosure Project presentation in 2001, although I will add that Steven Greer himself has in the meantime become compromised — the price he pays for being a narcissist.

When it comes to David Wilcock, Michael Salla, Alfred Lambremont Webre, Karen Kerry Cassidy and Fearless Leader™, I am now dismissing out of hand any testimonies and/or witnesses they produce, as well as anyone who has ever been associated with them on account of their "research".

Wilcock discredited himself a long time ago, first by selling pseudoscience, and then by unconditionally backing (and marketing) Corey Goode. He has made it clear that it's a business for him, and that he's in it in order to make a living. Salla is a real-life Fox Mulder from "The X-Files", minus the discernment that Fox Mulder had. Webre is an opportunistic sensationalist without a shred of discernment, and he's got an unhealthy obsession with satanism and pedophiles.

Cassidy is a headless chicken with an attitude — hence the Karen moniker for her. Fearless Leader™, lastly, is only marginally better than her, and is guilty of having unleashed a whole host of charlatans onto the so-called "alternative community" — it's quite a list. Cassidy has tried that too, but she has been less successful than him even though she has produced an even higher quantity of charlatans, simply because the ones she produced — and continues to produce — haven't got a shred of credibility to them, plus that she herself is also well known for not having either of her feet on the ground.

The UFO/UAP phenomenon is very real — let there be no doubt about it — and I find it quite peculiar how everyone in the mainstream has such a hard time admitting that these things are most likely extraterrestrial and/or interdimensional, not to mention why the subject must automatically be met with ridicule. But I prefer keeping both of my feet on the ground. If they're asking for donations, trying to sell you some book they wrote or charging you money for "counseling", then they're charlatans in my book. ;)

Chuckie
28th May 2022, 12:16
After looking more into him, then I do see now that Corey Goode is a fraud. I didn’t know much about him before when I first came here, I only knew of him because I had briefly seen him on Gaia.
The mainstream spiritual community has many people who just want profit, fame, or followers, and he is one of those. He tried to appeal to the simple minded mainstream spirituality mentality to gain fame.
When I see someone who tries to make profit, especially when they have gotten famous, then I do get very suspicious of them, especially when they want you to pay hundreds of dollars for something.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/4ayyqw/david-wilcock-ufo-conspiracy-theorist-covid-19-deep-state-ascension
It seems like there are other frauds promoted on PA from what I have heard, their kind of mentality on the forum makes them prone to these figures. In general, they have a new age/mainstream spirituality conspiratorial mindset over there.
Those within the communities new age and mainstream spirituality are prone to falsehoods and misinformation because in mainstream spirituality there is a lot of information watered down and filtered to be appealing to people instead of real substance.

As far as the topic of UFOs and aliens, there are a lot of frauds out there from what I have heard. Do you know anyone who you don't think is a fraud when it comes to these topics?

Hi ST, I worked in the area that is part of his 'underground map' of activities. The map he demonstrated was completely inaccurate. And that was my tipoff. There's another guy that I always respected for his knowledge of physics and aerospace. He did a video discussing the explosion of the Columbia space shuttle. I was in a state of disbelief that he could be so whacked. The Columbia didn't explode, it literally melted. After the accident, I did software work on the area that was involved. What a load of bs it was! You just can't be too careful about self-described Ufologists because many of them are just ignorant or liars.

I can suggest two. Dr Jacques Vallee, who is aged at this point and is not as active as when younger. Nick Pope is solid. Travis Walton is a solid experiencer.

Aianawa
28th May 2022, 12:19
Ruthless judgements.

Gio
29th May 2022, 01:56
Ruthless judgements.

"Personalities in the Alternative Media" ...

When collecting the cash it comes with the territory ...

Right Bawana...

https://assets.podomatic.net/ts/64/1b/36/sailingbeyondknowledge/640x640_5758241.jpg

By the way that's George Green who's just off the picture ...

Ah much better, note check out the orbs around Bill.

https://assets.podomatic.net/ts/64/1b/36/sailingbeyondknowledge/285%3E_5758241.jpg

Aragorn
29th May 2022, 02:10
Ah much better, note check out the orbs around Bill.

https://assets.podomatic.net/ts/64/1b/36/sailingbeyondknowledge/285%3E_5758241.jpg

You sure that's not just dust on the camera lens, Bro? ;)

Gio
29th May 2022, 02:16
Wow, that's a difficult one to answer, and especially now that I've become quite a cynic when it comes to UFO/UAP witnesses. So I tend to lean more toward the kinds of people who aren't selling anything, like Luis Elizondo, who headed the former Pentagon research into UAPs, or someone like Gary Heseltine, whom we have interviewed in 2015 (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/8167-The-One-Truth-interviews-Gary-Heseltine-UFO-Researcher), and who was doing research on the topic on account of the British police force. There are more people like that, many of whom appeared at the first Disclosure Project presentation in 2001, although I will add that Steven Greer himself has in the meantime become compromised — the price he pays for being a narcissist.

When it comes to David Wilcock, Michael Salla, Alfred Lambremont Webre, Karen Kerry Cassidy and Fearless Leader™, I am now dismissing out of hand any testimonies and/or witnesses they produce, as well as anyone who has ever been associated with them on account of their "research".

Wilcock discredited himself a long time ago, first by selling pseudoscience, and then by unconditionally backing (and marketing) Corey Goode. He has made it clear that it's a business for him, and that he's in it in order to make a living. Salla is a real-life Fox Mulder from "The X-Files", minus the discernment that Fox Mulder had. Webre is an opportunistic sensationalist without a shred of discernment, and he's got an unhealthy obsession with satanism and pedophiles.

Cassidy is a headless chicken with an attitude — hence the Karen moniker for her. Fearless Leader™, lastly, is only marginally better than her, and is guilty of having unleashed a whole host of charlatans onto the so-called "alternative community" — it's quite a list. Cassidy has tried that too, but she has been less successful than him even though she has produced an even higher quantity of charlatans, simply because the ones she produced — and continues to produce — haven't got a shred of credibility to them, plus that she herself is also well known for not having either of her feet on the ground.

The UFO/UAP phenomenon is very real — let there be no doubt about it — and I find it quite peculiar how everyone in the mainstream has such a hard time admitting that these things are most likely extraterrestrial and/or interdimensional, not to mention why the subject must automatically be met with ridicule. But I prefer keeping both of my feet on the ground. If they're asking for donations, trying to sell you some book they wrote or charging you money for "counseling", then they're charlatans in my book. ;)


Ruthless judgements.



"Personalities in the Alternative Media" ...

When collecting the cash it comes with the territory ...

Right Bawana...

https://assets.podomatic.net/ts/64/1b/36/sailingbeyondknowledge/640x640_5758241.jpg

By the way that's George Green who's just off the picture ...

Ah much better, note check out the orbs around Bill.

https://assets.podomatic.net/ts/64/1b/36/sailingbeyondknowledge/285%3E_5758241.jpg


You sure that's not just dust on the camera lens, Bro? ;)

Yes genuine fairy dust ...

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse4.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP. lHqGSy3JXhSUkcEGYZiOKgHaEy%26pid%3DApi&f=1

Gio
29th May 2022, 02:47
I actually think that is a good photograph of Bill ... Just saying...

Orb/fairy/dust and all!

https://projectavalon.net/Bill_Ryan_Cuenca_orbs_6_Feb_2012.jpg

Aragorn
29th May 2022, 02:50
I actually think that is a good photograph of Bill ... Just saying...

Aragorn!

You rang, Milord? :grin:

Silly Wabbit
29th May 2022, 02:56
All judgements aside, people do take bad photos, and when there is a good one posted, it is fair to acknowledge it..