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Gio
11th September 2019, 05:20
And speaking of being motivated ...

It was Art Bell who first brought me into the world of woo woo ...

And later on it was Bill and Kerry's forum that introduced me to some great people ,,,

And from that experience i learned that we are all spiritual beings just learning to be human beings !

So i will share this here ...


#1130 Grave & Home Compound of ART BELL - Coast To Coast AM - Pahrump NV - Travel Vlog

Daze with Jordan the Lion


Published on Sep 10, 2019

23:44 minutes


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Aragorn
11th September 2019, 16:33
[I]And speaking of being motivated ...

It was Art Bell who first brought me into the world of woo woo ...

And later on it was Bill and Kerry's forum that introduced me to some great people ,,,

In my case, I'm not sure who came first, but it was those same two sources ─ Coast To Coast AM, and the interviews by Project Camelot ─ that got me going down the rabbit hole. However, I had never been "a forum person" up until then, so it still took me several years before I decided to join up at Project Avalon. ;)

Gio
27th September 2019, 22:33
An oldie but goode ...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtBHfxU2wmc

Chuckie
28th September 2019, 13:18
I've always been an alternative type...I had no choice. One of the advantages of 'otherness'. One sees throughg the bullshit at a tender age. But the 'alt' it seems before I engaged its forum world was co-opted by the blind. Those that believe they have discovered something fantastical when in fact, others experienced and lived it as children. When I was 10 years old I would coerce my dad to take me out on drives at night to do UFO spotting. I actually went to my 1st UFO presentation at 11 to see the author of 'Flying Saucers Serious Business'... Frank Edwards...I remember people in the audience gasping at the fake ufo pictures... :)

Gio
29th September 2019, 17:27
Bravo's series has nothing on this franchise ...

The ongoing ...



https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/25/Sir_Joseph_Noel_Paton_-_The_Quarrel_of_Oberon_and_Titania_-_Google_Art_Project_2.jpg

The Real Housewives OF Project Avalon

Orbs
30th September 2019, 02:33
So what did you all conclude?

Scamalot?

I recall the interview Ryan did with “Charles” the Illuminati dude. Sorry to butt hurt anyone but that was laughable at best.

The Chris Thomas thread at Avalon died as well. I’ve read some of it but I saw posts shooting Chris down and it seemed fake to me. If you don’t care for his work that is your right really. But the guy was a healer and helped a lot of people. Trying to debunk a healer in a thread about the healer is a red flag.

Ed Chiarini exposed Cassidy for whatever that is worth.

After the interview with Charles I never read or watched anything Ryan did. I also remember Cassidy interview some Cliff dude and Sargent Major guy. Something about remote viewing the Cruisifiction of Christ. That’s over the top for me. That’s time travel not remote viewing. I disagree with the whole story we are told as well.

I’m in the Scamalot camp. Sorry.

sourcetruth
6th October 2019, 12:45
Everything that is being said on this thread about Bill Ryan makes much more sense to me now.

He is being exposed for his ego and his cult-like following on this thread.

I myself have had a very bad experience with Bill Ryan, and seeing this thread has made sense of his behavior towards me.

His forum is not open to new ideas, it just wants to maintain the status quo.

I have seen other places from the interet that describe a bad experience with Bill Ryan and his forum.

Aragorn
6th October 2019, 13:23
Everything that is being said on this thread about Bill Ryan makes much more sense to me now.

He is being exposed for his ego and his cult-like following on this thread.

Please don't read too much into that. A lot of what has been said on this thread a long time ago has been withdrawn, not in the least by myself.


I myself have had a very bad experience with Bill Ryan, and seeing this thread has made sense of his behavior towards me.

That could just be a case of confirmation bias. We've all been there. Your feelings get hurt, and then you come across information that seems to corroborate (or offer a plausible explanation for) the reason of this hurtfulness, but this is a very subjective and irrational response.

Trust me, I know ─ been there, done that, have the T-shirt. :hmm:


His forum is not open to new ideas, it just wants to maintain the status quo.

That is not my experience, but there are always two sides to running a forum. There is the management, and there is the forum's population. And sometimes they are at odds with each other. Project Avalon is certainly big enough to allow for convictions and personalities of all kinds to intermingle, and with a circumference of that nature, there will even be friction and polarization at times. The QAnon phenomenon was such a source of friction and polarization, but luckily that seems to have subsided somewhat now.


I have seen other places from the interet that describe a bad experience with Bill Ryan and his forum.

I don't have any doubts about that, but then again, you will also find places where they speak ill of The One Truth. In addition to that, one of our ex-moderators has gone off the deep end and has posted some very slanderous material about Bill Ryan that isn't supported by any truth whatsoever.

The internet is a highly diverse ecosystem, and you will find dozens of very different opinions and vantages on just about everything and everyone in existence. It is not always evident what the truth is. Don't let that mislead you. ;)

Fred Steeves
6th October 2019, 15:26
Everything that is being said on this thread about Bill Ryan makes much more sense to me now.

He is being exposed for his ego and his cult-like following on this thread.

I myself have had a very bad experience with Bill Ryan, and seeing this thread has made sense of his behavior towards me.

His forum is not open to new ideas, it just wants to maintain the status quo.

I have seen other places from the interet that describe a bad experience with Bill Ryan and his forum.

From what I saw of your threads not only over at The Project, but ATS as well, you seem to have bad experiences with everyone who doesn't bow to the altar of "Quartz Crystal". It's one thing to actually spend countless hours researching shady internet characters the likes of Bill Ryan and many others, and base one's opinions on that, but quite another to simply come to a place like this all butt hurt because nobody is buying the snake oil you are selling. And the latter is exactly what just happened.

How soon til we get Quartz Crystal jammed down our throats here as well? Here's a hint, it won't go well for you here either.

Look man, if you really are only 17, then the school of hard knocks you are encountering may well prove to be an invaluable life lesson for you. If you're much older and only claiming to be 17, then know that you really do only have the maturity of a 17 year old.

Whatever the case I don't think you'll make it here either because you have already proven that your mental/spiritual outlook is like a runaway train focused in one narrow direction. A lot of people are knocking on your door basically saying "dude, you're fucking up with this hyper narrow focus of yours", but you refuse to listen.

Here's a tip: When just about everyone you're encountering is proving to be a problem, chances are it's YOU who is fucking up, not them. That's from the school of real life.

sourcetruth
6th October 2019, 16:13
From what I saw of your threads not only over at The Project, but ATS as well, you seem to have bad experiences with everyone who doesn't bow to the altar of "Quartz Crystal". It's one thing to actually spend countless hours researching shady internet characters the likes of Bill Ryan and many others, and base one's opinions on that, but quite another to simply come to a place like this all butt hurt because nobody is buying the snake oil you are selling. And the latter is exactly what just happened.

How soon til we get Quartz Crystal jammed down our throats here as well? Here's a hint, it won't go well for you here either.

Look man, if you really are only 17, then the school of hard knocks you are encountering may well prove to be an invaluable life lesson for you. If you're much older and only claiming to be 17, then know that you really do only have the maturity of a 17 year old.

Whatever the case I don't think you'll make it here either because you have already proven that your mental/spiritual outlook is like a runaway train focused in one narrow direction. A lot of people are knocking on your door basically saying "dude, you're fucking up with this hyper narrow focus of yours", but you refuse to listen.

Here's a tip: When just about everyone you're encountering is proving to be a problem, chances are it's YOU who is fucking up, not them. That's from the school of real life.

Is there anything wrong with me taking the position that there is truth in the information I shared? You and others make it out to be a bad thing that I have a position of considering there to be truth in it. People take hard positions on topics all of the time, for me to take a hard stance on this topic is fair.

If you think that it is fair for you and others to take a hard stance against this topic, then it must be perfectly fair for me to also take a hard stance.

The hard stance that I took was not about the channel, it was about the statements that I stated in my OP about what the channel says. My hard stance was that there were statements in the OP that were true.

It is one thing for people to have some criticism, it is another when they form a hard stance against it, and when they group up against me in hard opposition. That is exactly what happened at Project Avalon, they all grouped togrther and formed a hard stance against the thread topic. This resulted in the staff jumping on the bandwagon and taking action against me.

I find it ironic that people on this thread are saying that Bill and his forum.have a cult mentality, because what they said to me exactly was that this was literally a cult. This was obviously absurd, but they still tried to make this claim.
The cult mentality on the forum is evidenced by how they all jumped on the bandwagonin grouping against my thread posts. They actually attacked me in many ways by trying to smear me in several ways.

First my thread was moved to the section "known hoaxes and bad information", and then I was banned permanently by Bill himself. He posted in the thread telling me some nonsense about how I am not a good member of his forum/cult/herd. All that I didnwas take a hard stance that I found sthere to be truth in the statements presented. I tried to explain what experience I have that led me to this conclusion and I tried to discuss why I have concluded this but there was too much of a hard stance against my thread.

The reason that there was so much oppoaition to this information was because it includes concepts that go against the grain.

Fred Steeves
6th October 2019, 16:59
The reason that there was so much oppoaition to this information was because it includes concepts that go against the grain.

Bullshit! The reason, is that these other people you're referring to are not stupid, they've been there done that, and they know New Age drivel repackaged as something new and exciting when they see it.

The problem over there is not that seasoned members can by now see through most Johnny come lately recycled spiritual mumbo jumbo, because they clearly can as evidenced by your particular example and others. The problem, is that they are blind when it comes from their own fearless leader and some of those he insists on endorsing.

Other than that those are smart and experienced people over there, and you have blown a chance to learn a thing or two from them just as you are very likely to do here as well.

sourcetruth
6th October 2019, 17:11
Bullshit! The reason, is that these other people you're referring to are not stupid, they've been there done that, and they know New Age drivel repackaged as something new and exciting when they see it.

The problem over there is not that seasoned members can by now see through most Johnny come lately recycled spiritual mumbo jumbo, because they clearly can as evidenced by your particular example and others. The problem, is that they are blind when it comes from their own fearless leader and those he endorses.

Other than that those are smart and experienced people over there, and you have blown a chance to learn a thing or two from them just as you are very likely to do here as well.

Although I have argued that it is not simply repackaged material, that is besides the point.

Repackaged or not, I wanted to discuss the statements that were made. When they rejwct something because they see it as something "repackaged", that is not giving the topic a fair chance of being discussed.

But they are indeed blind to their leader in the way you speak of. After he made a post towarda me throwing shade at me, there was a huge surge in opposition towards my thread. That is what I am concerned about, because it shows how they will blindly follow Bill Ryan.

I am willing ot learnthings from others, but I also expect that others should be willing to consider what I say.

sourcetruth
6th October 2019, 17:27
It is clear to me now from reading this thread what Bill Ryan and his forum really is. I am not surprised to see that others have criticized him and his forum.
Tell me, does anyone here actually still have respect for Bill Ryan and his forum?

Chris
6th October 2019, 17:51
Welcome to the forum sourcetruth.

I had a somewhat similar experience with PA and BR last year, though in hindsight he was kinda right, at least from his perspective, as the person responsible for the safety of his followers and forum members. I know it really hurts when you are excluded from a community you feel a valuable member of, there is a reason that exile and banishment have always been such effective punishments.

In any case, most of us have some history with BR and PA over here at TOT, generally not a happy one, but have moved on and I suggest you do the same. I don't know anything about your material and I don't visit over at PA any more, but I'm certainly happy to hear it.

Aragorn
7th October 2019, 11:03
It is clear to me now from reading this thread what Bill Ryan and his forum really is. I am not surprised to see that others have criticized him and his forum.
Tell me, does anyone here actually still have respect for Bill Ryan and his forum?

Yes, absolutely. But one always has to clean one's own house first before complaining about another man's house being dirty.

Bill Ryan is a man with both flaws and qualities, like every last one of us. He has made mistakes in the past, and he'll probably still be making mistakes in the future, because such is the nature of being human and living in a confusing world. Let him who is without sin cast the first stone, and all that. But I am convinced that Bill is trying to do the right thing, and that he's trying very hard to protect the community he has built.

As a forum, Project Avalon has certain standards, and Bill wants to uphold those standards. You may not agree with either those standards or the way Bill and his moderators go about in protecting them ─ and such is your prerogative ─ but you have to keep in mind that in the end, it's his forum, and therefore his rules.

For that matter, The One Truth now has a good working relationship with Project Avalon, and I have personally been having numerous very positive exchanges with Bill over the course of now a year and a half or so. I respect Bill, and I respect his moderators too ─ they are all fine people.

Even good people without ulterior agendas don't always see eye to eye. This is yet another challenge life throws at us. The least we can all do is try getting along and respecting the other person's opinion, even if we don't agree with it. There's enough evil in the world already, so the last thing we need is infighting among the good people.


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Elen
7th October 2019, 15:10
Even good people without ulterior agendas don't always see eye to eye. This is yet another challenge life throws at us. The least we can all do is try getting along and respecting the other person's opinion, even if we don't agree with it. There's enough evil in the world already, so the last thing we need is infighting among the good people.


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You've said it Brother...I agree 100% :h5:

sourcetruth
7th October 2019, 19:23
My problem is not just with the way that Bill has acted towards me (moving my thread to "known hoaxes and other bad information", confronting me in comments instead of discussing the topic, then BANNING me), it is the group herd mentaility at the forum as a whole. All of the posts of people that were taking a hard stance against me and the topic that I preaented were getting up to 10 "thanks" per post, and Bill himself got 14 "thanks" in his post when he banned me. In contrast, I got absolutely 0" thanks" on that forum after the 1st page of it.

The group herd mentaility is evident on my thread. After Bill made a post where he attacked me, all of the other members that were on the thread all began attacking me at once. This shows how much influence that Bill has on the people at the forum, he is acting as the ringleader that the group herd follows. This is one of the main probelms I have found with Bill, he is able to create a following that will always side with him and will group up on posters in threads.

The group herd mentality is not just about Bill though, it is the group members themselves that are part of it. There was this kind of grouping before, but it became much more intense after Bill's post.

This shows what type of forum that Bill has established, which reveals a lot about himself and how he is able to establish this kind of forum.

Not only did the topic I try to discuss get completely rejected, but I was personally attacked in many ways. When I say that everyone was opposing me, I am not just saying that they took a hard stance against the content of the topic, but they also took a hard stance against me and they attacked the channel that I shared, on top of completely rejecting it.
I got attacked and smeared in many qays. They said many absurd things about me that are obviously not true. They accused me of being the owner of that channel or "working with them", of having multiple people commenting through my account, lying about my age, and other stuff. What they said about the channel was that it was a scam, cult, and copying other people, and other stuff.

This is not the way that an open minded spiritual community would behave.

Chris
7th October 2019, 21:44
My problem is not just with the way that Bill has acted towards me (moving my thread to "known hoaxes and other bad information", confronting me in comments instead of discussing the topic, then BANNING me), it is the group herd mentaility at the forum as a whole. All of the posts of people that were taking a hard stance against me and the topic that I preaented were getting up to 10 "thanks" per post, and Bill himself got 14 "thanks" in his post when he banned me. In contrast, I got absolutely 0" thanks" on that forum after the 1st page of it.

The group herd mentaility is evident on my thread. After Bill made a post where he attacked me, all of the other members that were on the thread all began attacking me at once. This shows how much influence that Bill has on the people at the forum, he is acting as the ringleader that the group herd follows. This is one of the main probelms I have found with Bill, he is able to create a following that will always side with him and will group up on posters in threads.

The group herd mentality is not just about Bill though, it is the group members themselves that are part of it. There was this kind of grouping before, but it became much more intense after Bill's post.

This shows what type of forum that Bill has established, which reveals a lot about himself and how he is able to establish this kind of forum.

Not only did the topic I try to discuss get completely rejected, but I was personally attacked in many ways. When I say that everyone was opposing me, I am not just saying that they took a hard stance against the content of the topic, but they also took a hard stance against me and they attacked the channel that I shared, on top of completely rejecting it.
I got attacked and smeared in many qays. They said many absurd things about me that are obviously not true. They accused me of being the owner of that channel or "working with them", of having multiple people commenting through my account, lying about my age, and other stuff. What they said about the channel was that it was a scam, cult, and copying other people, and other stuff.

This is not the way that an open minded spiritual community would behave.

I can't say I disagree with any of that... In fact I pretty much reported the same experience with my similarly short-lived tenure over at PA on my welcome thread over here at TOT. But, that is of course how I experienced it, that is, it was my subjective lived experience and not necessarily the objective fact of the matter. I think with time, you might look back at your time at PA from a different point of view and learn from it. I know, I did.

It doesn't change the fact though that humans are herd animals and we are liable to groupthink. The bigger the group, the stupider we generally are. If there is a designated leader that people respect and look up to, we tend to defer to their judgement. One of the advantages of a small forum like this one, is that people generally know each other quite well, there is less scope for misunderstandings and people tend to develop individual points of view, rather than just try to blend in with the herd. PA certainly has a herd mentality thing going on and of course it is Bill's forum, so people will defer to him. That to me creates a hierarchical structure, that I strongly dislike. There is certainly a subtle pecking order in place, where some can get away with stuff that others never would get away with. It certainly is unfair, but that's just the way a forum like that will work.

Dreamtimer
8th October 2019, 11:13
I have seen some folks leave Bill's forum for good reasons. And many of them have gone back and are posting there once again. I can't say why.

It's a larger group. There is more feedback.

I was never a member there.

I don't personally know what motivates Bill. Certainly he started off looking for truth(s). He has said he sees the forum as a library. It's a private library in many ways. He doesn't seem to go around doing interviews like he used to.

A couple of former TOT members are posting there now about climate and vaccines. They seem to find more folks sympathetic to their views and that seems to be what they desire.

A good, vigorous debate is desirable, imo. But that is not what many folks want. And it is difficult to do with just written text. People can easily misunderstand words without the human expression that goes along with it.

Bill has stated more than once that he doesn't want his forum to look bad. And that is a subjective thing.

He showcased Joe from the Carolinas and encouraged members to view his videos. Joe himself noted that his traffic depends a great deal on the topics, and unfortunately permaculture just doesn't bring in the views. That's a shame, imo.

I suppose a perusal of Bill's Q & A thread would reveal some of his motives but I haven't read it closely.

I don't see why talking about crystals would be so much worse in terms of image than the rabbit hole of Qanon. The latter topic has a very strong following. So whether or not it makes the forum look bad Bill can't really stop it. No doubt he must rely a great deal on his moderators.

sourcetruth
11th October 2019, 09:35
I am checking back on the same thread that I got banned from and the accusations against me are becoming absurd. There is this one completely absurd accusation that they keep making, which is that there is multiple people using my account! How absurd is that? They are trying to explain me away as something that I am not so that they can reject everything that I say. It is evern more apparent of a group mentality on that forum.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?108597-A-Youtube-channel-named-Quartz-Crystal.-Says-many-interesting-things-about-how-Source-Players-create-the-matrix./page16

Aianawa
11th October 2019, 09:42
My problem is not just with the way that Bill has acted towards me (moving my thread to "known hoaxes and other bad information", confronting me in comments instead of discussing the topic, then BANNING me), it is the group herd mentaility at the forum as a whole. All of the posts of people that were taking a hard stance against me and the topic that I preaented were getting up to 10 "thanks" per post, and Bill himself got 14 "thanks" in his post when he banned me. In contrast, I got absolutely 0" thanks" on that forum after the 1st page of it.

The group herd mentaility is evident on my thread. After Bill made a post where he attacked me, all of the other members that were on the thread all began attacking me at once. This shows how much influence that Bill has on the people at the forum, he is acting as the ringleader that the group herd follows. This is one of the main probelms I have found with Bill, he is able to create a following that will always side with him and will group up on posters in threads.

The group herd mentality is not just about Bill though, it is the group members themselves that are part of it. There was this kind of grouping before, but it became much more intense after Bill's post.

This shows what type of forum that Bill has established, which reveals a lot about himself and how he is able to establish this kind of forum.

Not only did the topic I try to discuss get completely rejected, but I was personally attacked in many ways. When I say that everyone was opposing me, I am not just saying that they took a hard stance against the content of the topic, but they also took a hard stance against me and they attacked the channel that I shared, on top of completely rejecting it.
I got attacked and smeared in many qays. They said many absurd things about me that are obviously not true. They accused me of being the owner of that channel or "working with them", of having multiple people commenting through my account, lying about my age, and other stuff. What they said about the channel was that it was a scam, cult, and copying other people, and other stuff.

This is not the way that an open minded spiritual community would behave.

Feel for you, had a wee journey there and turned the other cheek much, still not nice to get banned.

Aragorn
11th October 2019, 10:48
I am checking back on the same thread that I got banned from and the accusations against me are becoming absurd. There is this one completely absurd accusation that they keep making, which is that there is multiple people using my account! How absurd is that? They are trying to explain me away as something that I am not so that they can reject everything that I say. It is evern more apparent of a group mentality on that forum.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?108597-A-Youtube-channel-named-Quartz-Crystal.-Says-many-interesting-things-about-how-Source-Players-create-the-matrix./page16

At this point, you should be able to separate the management of Project Avalon from the member base. Bill made a management decision with regard to your membership there, but you have to keep in mind that the reactions and claims from the members are not his responsibility.

Project Avalon is a huge forum in comparison to The One Truth. It is huge both in terms of its circumference and in terms of its member base. And with that many members ─ with personalities of all types ─ cruising the huge labyrinth of information that Project Avalon is, it is inevitable that certain subcultures within the member base arise.

Upon my initial return to Project Avalon, I happened to run into a confrontation with such a subculture, namely that of the (predominantly US-American) QAnon followers, many of whom identify with what is known in the USA as the "alt-right" ─ i.e. a far-right movement that rejects science in favor of pseudoscience, and that conservatively and anxiously seeks to cling to capitalism and The American Way™. For them, anyone who would even remotely adhere a progressive political stance is by definition the enemy.

That very same political movement ─ I am not talking of the Project Avalon members who adhere said political orientation, but of the movement in general ─ is what gave us such gems as that Michelle Obama would be either a man in drag or a transgender, and that Hillary Clinton is a baby-eating, satanic and lesbian witch. It is also this same movement that believes that vaccines cause autism, that we never went to the moon, and ─ in extreme cases ─ that Earth would be flat, and that Hitler and the Nazis were the good guys. We have seen very similar claims here at The One Truth, so ─ again ─ it's not unique to Project Avalon.

Bill and his moderators were not happy with the representatives of that movement running amok over at Project Avalon, and it was in Bill's absence that several of Bill's staff members, who had aligned themselves with this movement, started what could more or less be regarded as a civil war among the moderators. There were also other, more personal factors involved, so it wasn't all about the QAnon- and Trump-mania, but the fact remains that this situation cleaved the entire Project Avalon mod room in half, and that friends suddenly turned out not to be friends anymore. This was a painful episode for Bill and his remaining staff members.

Anyway, to cut the long story short, the bottom line of what I'm trying to say is that you should not hold Bill accountable for the reactions of some of his members, because Bill doesn't control that, and he doesn't necessarily agree with it either. People will do as people will do, and especially when you have such large numbers of people flocking together on a single forum.

And perhaps it's getting old, but yes, even here at The One Truth we have seen such behavior in the past, when our active member base was still a bit larger than it is now. Certain members go about their ways with a sense of entitlement ─ thereby helped by the fact that communication via a text-only medium comes with a certain degree of anonymity ─ and when the mods then don't step in right away, then these members start feeling even more entitled, and then they drag the others along with them and become "leaders of civil unrest", and so on. Trust me, we've see it here too, and we've had our share of cult behavior here as well.

If you are really as young as you claim to be ─ not that I'm doubting you, mind you ─ then you are very intelligent for your age, but at the same time, youth does mean inexperience. And trust me on this, you will come to experience many more dark sides of the human psyche on your path through life ─ perhaps even more than people of my generation, because I have a distinct impression that everything's accelerating nowadays. Trends come and go in rapid succession, people are also much quicker at judging one another, and the next public outcry (over whatever subject) seems only seconds or minutes away anymore. Things are becoming more chaotic all the time, all over the world.

Bill Ryan did not think you were a suitable member for Project Avalon ─ whether his opinion was just or not ─ and so he unsubscribed you. The reaction of the Project Avalon members to this event on the other hand is something you should see as completely separate. It's easy to talk behind someone's back when they're gone ─ and we've all been guilty of that to a certain degree at some point in our life ─ but it's only human nature. You shouldn't place too much value in what others are saying. In a few weeks from now, it'll all be but a faint and foggy memory anymore anyway. Because that, too, is human nature.

Welcome to Planet Earth, kid. It is one of the most beautiful planets in the galaxy, but it is not one of the nicest places to be. :unsure:

sourcetruth
12th October 2019, 01:40
At this point, you should be able to separate the management of Project Avalon from the member base. Bill made a management decision with regard to your membership there, but you have to keep in mind that the reactions and claims from the members are not his responsibility.

Project Avalon is a huge forum in comparison to The One Truth. It is huge both in terms of its circumference and in terms of its member base. And with that many members ─ with personalities of all types ─ cruising the huge labyrinth of information that Project Avalon is, it is inevitable that certain subcultures within the member base arise.

Upon my initial return to Project Avalon, I happened to run into a confrontation with such a subculture, namely that of the (predominantly US-American) QAnon followers, many of whom identify with what is known in the USA as the "alt-right" ─ i.e. a far-right movement that rejects science in favor of pseudoscience, and that conservatively and anxiously seeks to cling to capitalism and The American Way™. For them, anyone who would even remotely adhere a progressive political stance is by definition the enemy.

That very same political movement ─ I am not talking of the Project Avalon members who adhere said political orientation, but of the movement in general ─ is what gave us such gems as that Michelle Obama would be either a man in drag or a transgender, and that Hillary Clinton is a baby-eating, satanic and lesbian witch. It is also this same movement that believes that vaccines cause autism, that we never went to the moon, and ─ in extreme cases ─ that Earth would be flat, and that Hitler and the Nazis were the good guys. We have seen very similar claims here at The One Truth, so ─ again ─ it's not unique to Project Avalon.

Bill and his moderators were not happy with the representatives of that movement running amok over at Project Avalon, and it was in Bill's absence that several of Bill's staff members, who had aligned themselves with this movement, started what could more or less be regarded as a civil war among the moderators. There were also other, more personal factors involved, so it wasn't all about the QAnon- and Trump-mania, but the fact remains that this situation cleaved the entire Project Avalon mod room in half, and that friends suddenly turned out not to be friends anymore. This was a painful episode for Bill and his remaining staff members.

Anyway, to cut the long story short, the bottom line of what I'm trying to say is that you should not hold Bill accountable for the reactions of some of his members, because Bill doesn't control that, and he doesn't necessarily agree with it either. People will do as people will do, and especially when you have such large numbers of people flocking together on a single forum.

And perhaps it's getting old, but yes, even here at The One Truth we have seen such behavior in the past, when our active member base was still a bit larger than it is now. Certain members go about their ways with a sense of entitlement ─ thereby helped by the fact that communication via a text-only medium comes with a certain degree of anonymity ─ and when the mods then don't step in right away, then these members start feeling even more entitled, and then they drag the others along with them and become "leaders of civil unrest", and so on. Trust me, we've see it here too, and we've had our share of cult behavior here as well.

If you are really as young as you claim to be ─ not that I'm doubting you, mind you ─ then you are very intelligent for your age, but at the same time, youth does mean inexperience. And trust me on this, you will come to experience many more dark sides of the human psyche on your path through life ─ perhaps even more than people of my generation, because I have a distinct impression that everything's accelerating nowadays. Trends come and go in rapid succession, people are also much quicker at judging one another, and the next public outcry (over whatever subject) seems only seconds or minutes away anymore. Things are becoming more chaotic all the time, all over the world.

Bill Ryan did not think you were a suitable member for Project Avalon ─ whether his opinion was just or not ─ and so he unsubscribed you. The reaction of the Project Avalon members to this event on the other hand is something you should see as completely separate. It's easy to talk behind someone's back when they're gone ─ and we've all been guilty of that to a certain degree at some point in our life ─ but it's only human nature. You shouldn't place too much value in what others are saying. In a few weeks from now, it'll all be but a faint and foggy memory anymore anyway. Because that, too, is human nature.

Welcome to Planet Earth, kid. It is one of the most beautiful planets in the galaxy, but it is not one of the nicest places to be. :unsure:

The problem is that Bill Ryan and his forum member base are intertwined with each other and with the other members of the forum. When one acts, the others will follow. This is what is happening here and what others are describing in this thread.

It is a weird analogy to a sheep and a shephard, because the sheep are not only following the shephard and the other sheep, but the shephard in this case (Bill Ryan) is following his herd, essentialy becoming one of the sheep himself, which is what makes it weird.

sourcetruth
12th October 2019, 01:54
Feel for you, had a wee journey there and turned the other cheek much, still not nice to get banned.

It seems that the forum is attempting to make a sort of exclusivity. This is shown in the way that they make you submit a lengthy application in your registration process that overreaches questions about you.

Aianawa
12th October 2019, 02:00
While only there a short time, waiting for the final cut lol, yes I could have been more tidy, they did not like new, as in 1320 material or censorship issues unproven, irony, > http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?102011-Prophecy-9-11-and-the-end-of-the-artificial-timeline.

Dreamtimer
12th October 2019, 11:14
Who's the boss, Floss?

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Chuckie
12th October 2019, 12:31
Hi Source,

I'm feelin' you man...it is unfortunate and in truth many members at PA are just psychological washouts. Not all, of course, but the power base of members have always been 'exclusive' and 'alternative' to anything that contradicts their worldview. A worldview that in most cases has twisted reality beyond recognition. And the most distinguishing characteristic is a hatred of humanity. They exemplify the definition of 'Us vs. Them' all the while believing they are seeking truth, justice, and the human way. As it has been said, "It's a strange brew!" A very strange brew.

Chuckie
12th October 2019, 12:40
I feel you slipping away, Aragorn... :)

Aragorn
12th October 2019, 13:20
I feel you slipping away, Aragorn... :)

What do you mean by that? :confused:

Chuckie
12th October 2019, 13:22
I mean that that...I feel you slipping away...just my 'impression'... You are the man on this forum. Don't forget that... :)

Aragorn
12th October 2019, 13:46
I mean that that...I feel you slipping away...just my 'impression'... You are the man on this forum. Don't forget that... :)

I'm still not clear on what you mean by "slipping away". If you are referring to my taking a backseat in any discussions regarding Bill Ryan or Project Avalon, then I plead guilty as charged. Having once been banned from Project Avalon myself ─ and by Bill in person ─ and having believed in Corey Goode's integrity and truthfulness regarding the events that were unfolding both at Project Avalon as a whole and between Bill and Corey as individuals at the time, I've foolishly allowed myself to also ride the Bill-bashing train for a while, but I am now ashamed of and embarrassed by that episode.

If on the other hand you are talking of my presence here on the forum, then the thing is that I've also taken on a more passive stance, given the obsession of some here with US politics and Donald Trump ─ no reference to yourself implied, by the way. I am also very busy over at the Manjaro forum, where the chief administrator has just made a very unfortunate and ─ in my opinion ─ wrongly and most likely personally motivated decision that affects the entire community.

His mind is obviously not very clear either, because he mistook my well-intended humor for passive-aggressive jabs at him, and he has been conducting himself for quite a while now in a manner that suggests that he's more than a little irritated about something ─ whatever that may be ─ and that he doesn't realize that he's taking it out on the members, making the good members pay for what a couple of "misbehaving" other members were guilty of. He's not a bad guy, but his style of running a forum is very different from mine. :hmm:

Chuckie
12th October 2019, 14:00
that's reasonable..but your input is always good and insightful and this board needs it. This may sound weird but your position makes you a focal point of everything that happens on it. A ghost mediator is not the best thing for any 'organization' Speaking for myself, I look to your opinions as a motivator, I'm betting everyone does whether for or against. It is animating to 'hear' you state your disgust regarding American politics. That is part of the charm in the house. For example, your ongoing difference with Aianawa on Q sparks emotional interest and no real animus because the focal point is not central to one's being but it is central to one's place in the world. That's a healthy place to be on a discussion forum.

Just idle thoughts... :)

sourcetruth
12th October 2019, 18:27
Hi Source,

I'm feelin' you man...it is unfortunate and in truth many members at PA are just psychological washouts. Not all, of course, but the power base of members have always been 'exclusive' and 'alternative' to anything that contradicts their worldview. A worldview that in most cases has twisted reality beyond recognition. And the most distinguishing characteristic is a hatred of humanity. They exemplify the definition of 'Us vs. Them' all the while believing they are seeking truth, justice, and the human way. As it has been said, "It's a strange brew!" A very strange brew.

That is indeed what many of the members there are about.

Everyone on my forum was trying to make me out to be some sort of fraudster who has some sort of sinister motive.

They like to twist things to fit their narrative, which is how they deal with their spiritual views in general. Their viewpoint is a twist of reality that fits their narrative.

When they exclude anything contradicting their worldview, they act as a group and follow what the other group members opinions are. If you try to bring any ideas that go against the grain, they will all gang up on you for it. And when you try to argue with them the way that I did when they started ganging up on me, then the staff will start hopping on the bandwagon, and eventually Bill Ryan himself will ban you because he knows that he has the support of all of the other forum members to do so.

Bill Ryan had no reason to ban me. He basically said that I was not contributing to his forum and "misusing" his forum and my membership on his forum, whatever that is supposed to mean. If you aren't in agreement with their viewpoint then you are not adding value to their forum in their opinion.

I am just not a loyal enough part of the group, I am not in agreement with everyone else on the forum so he feels that he has to ban me. He knows that he would get a lot of support for this and that the forum members would like him more for it.

This post of his, where he announces that he has closed my membership, got more "thanks" then any other post on the forum, with 17 thanks! This shows how one sided the members are on that forum when they decide to gang up on someone.




Why do I have to talk to you about everywhere that I post on? It is only going to derail the thread as it did when you brought it up, and ever since you made that post this thread has become flooded with opposition.
I didn't even have to tell you that one place that I posted on, I could have just ignored your question. The only reason that this question is being brought up is an attempt to attack amd discredit me because I have discussed this topic on other forums.

I have a very strong interest in this topic, which is why I want to discuss it in different places.
Yes, you clearly do. But you still have all those other forums to use as your platform now.

You've been misusing Avalon, and you've been misusing the privilege of your membership. You've contributed nothing to the Avalon community, and the members have been quick to pick up on that.

That's why you've found yourself disliked and unaccepted here: not because of what you present (though that's highly flawed, and potentially dangerous), but because of the way you've conducted yourself. Your membership here is closed.

I am thinking that the forum is concerned with maintaining an image of themselves that they present, and to them it means that they have to exclude those like us who present the forum with concepts that are too far from the mainstream.

sourcetruth
12th October 2019, 18:50
Look at the way that they mock the people on TOT on their forum. They aee us all as rejects of their forum, because we weren't good enough to them.

This one user, PurpleLama, posted the following quote:




Posted by PurpleLama (here)
Banned from PA and debuting on TOT in 3, 2, 1....
I totally called it, although I will not link to the posts. He went straight in to the PA bashing, instead of the QC material, perhaps we gave him a new hobby. LOL!

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?108597-A-Youtube-channel-named-Quartz-Crystal.-Says-many-interesting-things-about-how-Source-Players-create-the-matrix.&p=1318349&viewfull=1#post1318349

If PurpleLama or any other Project Avalon members are reading this that see the TOT forum this way, I challenge them to come to this forum and address not only me, but all of the other TOT members who are reporting the same complaints about your forum.

Bill Ryan knows how loyal his following on the forum is to him, so he does not care to answer any of the criticisms of him.

Chris
12th October 2019, 20:06
Look at the way that they mock the people on TOT on their forum. They aee us all as rejects of their forum, because we weren't good enough to them.

This one user, PurpleLama, posted the following quote:



http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?108597-A-Youtube-channel-named-Quartz-Crystal.-Says-many-interesting-things-about-how-Source-Players-create-the-matrix.&p=1318349&viewfull=1#post1318349

If PurpleLama or any other Project Avalon members are reading this that see the TOT forum this way, I challenge them to come to this forum and address not only me, but all of the other TOT members who are reporting the same complaints about your forum.

Bill Ryan knows how loyal his following on the forum is to hi, so he does not care to answer any of the criticisms of him.

PurpleLama is a member here, though I have not seen him around for a while. Maybe he will choose to engage you.

However, you should keep in mind that TOT and PA really aren't at loggerheads with each other, in fact relations are relatively cordial. There are many members who post on both forums, though PA is obviously bigger and better known. As Fred has said, you may run into the same problems here as you did over there, though the admins/mods here are much less trigger happy with the ban button, their patience is not unlimited either. If you are into pushing your own agenda and point of view, you may run into trouble eventually. To use a crude analogy, nobody likes the guy with the bible and the pressed shirt who wants to talk to you about Jesus... Evangelical zeal and inflexibility of opinion won't go well down here either.

And yes, banned PA members do have a habit of turning up here eventually to vent their frustration. That is how I also ended up here, though initially, I wasn't aware of the past bad blood between the two forums, I just wanted a more gentle and less judgemental alternative.

Also, I noticed that you are also a member on Spiritual Forums and have a very similar thread there, in which the accusations against you are pretty identical to the ones made on PA. Apparently you are also pushing this material on other forums as well.

http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=131173

sourcetruth
13th October 2019, 04:38
PurpleLama is a member here, though I have not seen him around for a while. Maybe he will choose to engage you.

However, you should keep in mind that TOT and PA really aren't at loggerheads with each other, in fact relations are relatively cordial. There are many members who post on both forums, though PA is obviously bigger and better known. As Fred has said, you may run into the same problems here as you did over there, though the admins/mods here are much less trigger happy with the ban button, their patience is not unlimited either. If you are into pushing your own agenda and point of view, you may run into trouble eventually. To use a crude analogy, nobody likes the guy with the bible and the pressed shirt who wants to talk to you about Jesus... Evangelical zeal and inflexibility of opinion won't go well down here either.

And yes, banned PA members do have a habit of turning up here eventually to vent their frustration. That is how I also ended up here, though initially, I wasn't aware of the past bad blood between the two forums, I just wanted a more gentle and less judgemental alternative.


PurpleLama put a thanks on my post towards them as to let me know that they are present. We will see when he decides to engage me, I know that he is just being patient.

The two forums aren't completely at odds with each other, although they do have a history between them, and there more than a few members here who have had a bad experience with them. They have created an amount of resentment against them, and there is some of it on this forum.


Also, I noticed that you are also a member on Spiritual Forums and have a very similar thread there, in which the accusations against you are pretty identical to the ones made on PA. Apparently you are also pushing this material on other forums as well.

http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=131173

The accusations made against me on that forum pale in comparison to the accusations made against me on Project Avalon.

There have been little accusations made against me in that forum at all.

In contrast, on Project Avalon I was being persistently personally attacked in several ways.

sourcetruth
13th October 2019, 06:45
Look at this, it is an interview with Corey Goode about the accusations made against him by Bill Ryan.

https://galacticconnection.com/corey-goode-responds-to-claims-made-by-bill-ryan/

There is something very interesting that he states here about Project Avalon.


Goode: Once my information violated BR’s UFO religion, things went south very quickly. This is easy to verify by looking at Forum records (unless deleted or edited once more) his forum is controlled like a small totalitarian country. You either tow the line or you [sic] are either pushed out by other loyal forum members or are “un-subscribed” from the forum. If you do not believe me, open up an account there and speak your mind for a few weeks. You will wish you hadn’t. This is what occurred in 2015.

He and others in that Forum have claimed I data mine and steal other people’s testimony. This was claimed about William Tompkins as well. Even though my info came out prior. You really have to look into these people and see their venomous attacks on a number of people other than myself. If you do the research you will see a clear pattern of behavior and accusations. This group seems to follow this pattern in an unbroken cycle. That is one reason I have warned people about hanging out in forums.

...

Closing Comments from Goode
These are just more unfounded accusations made by this group.

Out of over 300,000 fans, there are less than 50 detractors on Avalon. To call this a noisy minority would be an understatement.

...

All I can say is do some research on this forum and all involved with its forum leader. Once you read their energy and see what drama has occurred in that forum you can “consider the source” and move on like everyone else does.

...

I will end my final response to these attacks by saying, research these people. Take a close look at their language and energy, and the evidence used to support their claims, then consider the source. There is nothing to their accusations but speculation and deceitful assertions.

...


In my opinion these people are self-identifying and are minimizing their selves in this field even further than they have with previous actions.


It seems to match what me and other members of TOT are reporting about PA and BR.

Aragorn
13th October 2019, 08:21
Look at the way that they mock the people on TOT on their forum. They aee us all as rejects of their forum, because we weren't good enough to them.

This one user, PurpleLama, posted the following quote:



Banned from PA and debuting on TOT in 3, 2, 1....

I totally called it, although I will not link to the posts. He went straight in to the PA bashing, instead of the QC material, perhaps we gave him a new hobby. LOL!

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?108597-A-Youtube-channel-named-Quartz-Crystal.-Says-many-interesting-things-about-how-Source-Players-create-the-matrix.&p=1318349&viewfull=1#post1318349

If PurpleLama or any other Project Avalon members are reading this that see the TOT forum this way, I challenge them to come to this forum and address not only me, but all of the other TOT members who are reporting the same complaints about your forum.

PurpleLama is a member here as well, and he likes playing psychological games with people and hanging out other people's dirty laundry just so as to start a little riot. That's why he thanked the very post of yours that I'm quoting here-above. He's mocking you, by letting you know that he's looking at this thread, until he deems the time right for some additional fun by gaslighting you.

Would that be the correct analysis, PurpleLama, or did I overlook something? :sarcastic:


Bill Ryan knows how loyal his following on the forum is to him, so he does not care to answer any of the criticisms of him.

That may have been true in the past, but then this is one of the things in which I firmly believe that Bill has changed. He has become a lot more transparent about the inner workings of Project Avalon over the years, and he now also does respond to criticism, provided that the criticism is uttered with respect.





PurpleLama put a thanks on my post towards them as to let me know that they are present. We will see when he decides to engage me, I know that he is just being patient.

We knows him, Preciousss, we knows him. ;)


The two forums aren't completely at odds with each other, although they do have a history between them, and there more than a few members here who have had a bad experience with them. They have created an amount of resentment against them, and there is some of it on this forum.

There are people over at Project Avalon who resent The One Truth ─ this is true. And many of them resent The One Truth for all the wrong reasons, because they are going by gossip, or by things that were posted here five years ago by people who aren't even coming around anymore.

On the other hand, there are also people here who resent Project Avalon, because they've been banned from there ─ or perhaps retired against their will, in which case they still have read-only access ─ but many of those are already no longer coming around here anymore either. And when emotions run high, words come cheap ─ especially the wrong ones.

The One Truth and Project Avalon (as a whole) now have a very cordial relationship with one another. Not to pat myself on the back, but I've already helped the Project Avalon administrators with technical advice on a few occasions, and I've also exposed the perpetrator of a very slanderous article with two infographics about Bill Ryan that was posted at a US right-wing blog site and in a far-right section of the 8Chan forum.

Several Project Avalon members were accusing The One Truth of having been behind that slandering campaign. Not only did we not have anything to do with it ─ and not for a split second will I ever believe that any single member of our current management team would be posting at far-right websites ─ but I was able to retrieve the article in question and the two infographics, and to ascertain that they had been written and created by one of our former staff members, who had gone off the deep end and had become a neurotic and psychotic ultra-far-right sociopath. And what most of those Project Avalon members also didn't know was that the guy who had created that slanderous stuff was right in their midst.

So I handed over all the evidence to Bill Ryan and his moderators, along with the background of how this person had come to leave the staff here ─ and the forum a few days later ─ and had become a resentful, racist and manipulative bully. And one look at the evidence made Bill corroborate my analysis. He confirmed that it was indeed said person, who had at that point just been banned from Project Avalon for having harassed/bullied other forum members, and who had then immediately sent a scathing/mocking Skype chat message to Bill.

So, long story short, there have been many, many contacts between myself and Bill ─ with all of his team members copied in ─ over the course of now a year and a half or so, and all of those contacts have been cordial, with mutual respect. I would even daresay that we're friends now. Maybe not close friends ─ and we don't necessarily need to be ─ but there is definitely enough of a friendship to make me want to give Bill a hug and invite him over for a couple of cold beers if I were to run into him in real life. And it is my impression that these sentiments are mutual.

If you consider the animosity that used to exist between The One Truth and Project Avalon in the past, then I'd say we've made a hell of a progress. And forums like ours are meant to embody a hope for the future of humanity, even if only metaphorically. So if we, as "alternative community" forums, cannot get along with one another, then how could we possibly hope for the rest of humanity to get along? What credibility would our messages have, as purveyors of alternative approaches to the mainstream?





Look at this, it is an interview with Corey Goode about the accusations made against him by Bill Ryan.

https://galacticconnection.com/corey-goode-responds-to-claims-made-by-bill-ryan/

There is something very interesting that he states here about Project Avalon.

It seems to match what me and other members of TOT are reporting about PA and BR.

As it just so happens to be, I've known Corey Goode as a friend ─ at least, from my end ─ from before he left Project Avalon until he left The One Truth, and I can tell you ─ cross my heart ─ that Corey is a pathological liar and a narcissist. He uses people, and he's only concerned with himself. Don't believe anything Corey writes, because then you might as well start believing in Santa Claus as well.

And the sad part of it all is that Corey Goode is only one of the people within this "alternative community" who are leading this community completely astray. There are dozens more, and I've got a nice long (but by no means complete) list for you if you want to know. ;)

PurpleLama
13th October 2019, 13:00
PurpleLama is a member here as well, and he likes playing psychological games with people and hanging out other people's dirty laundry just so as to start a little riot. That's why he thanked the very post of yours that I'm quoting here-above. He's mocking you, by letting you know that he's looking at this thread, until he deems the time right for some additional fun by gaslighting you.

Did you actually read his thread at PA? I actually have said all I have to say about QC.

Would that be the correct analysis, PurpleLama, or did I overlook something? :sarcastic:

You hurt my feelings, Strider. Please don't confuse snark for psychological warfare. ;b

Chuckie
13th October 2019, 13:15
PurpleLama is a member here, though I have not seen him around for a while. Maybe he will choose to engage you.

However, you should keep in mind that TOT and PA really aren't at loggerheads with each other, in fact relations are relatively cordial. There are many members who post on both forums, though PA is obviously bigger and better known. As Fred has said, you may run into the same problems here as you did over there, though the admins/mods here are much less trigger happy with the ban button, their patience is not unlimited either. If you are into pushing your own agenda and point of view, you may run into trouble eventually. To use a crude analogy, nobody likes the guy with the bible and the pressed shirt who wants to talk to you about Jesus... Evangelical zeal and inflexibility of opinion won't go well down here either.

And yes, banned PA members do have a habit of turning up here eventually to vent their frustration. That is how I also ended up here, though initially, I wasn't aware of the past bad blood between the two forums, I just wanted a more gentle and less judgemental alternative.

Also, I noticed that you are also a member on Spiritual Forums and have a very similar thread there, in which the accusations against you are pretty identical to the ones made on PA. Apparently you are also pushing this material on other forums as well.

http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=131173

Hey Chris, I checked out that link you posted. Honestly, I didn't see it as a 'push' but more of 'Anybody here like me?'. But there were only a few exchanges on the site.

Aragorn
13th October 2019, 13:18
PurpleLama is a member here as well, and he likes playing psychological games with people and hanging out other people's dirty laundry just so as to start a little riot. That's why he thanked the very post of yours that I'm quoting here-above. He's mocking you, by letting you know that he's looking at this thread, until he deems the time right for some additional fun by gaslighting you.

Did you actually read his thread at PA? I actually have said all I have to say about QC.

I have not read the entire thread, although I have read parts of it. I was responding to that particular quote of yours that sourcetruth included in post #536 (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11414-What-Motivates-Bill-Ryan-of-Project-Avalon-Community-Forum?p=842015272&viewfull=1#post842015272) of this thread here.



Would that be the correct analysis, PurpleLama, or did I overlook something? :sarcastic:

You hurt my feelings, Strider. Please don't confuse snark for psychological warfare. ;b

Sometimes it's very difficult to ascertain where the line sits that separates those two ─ for the perpetrator as much as for the intended target. You certainly didn't mind pouring a little more oil onto the fire when I briefly (and perhaps foolishly) interacted with the QAnon followers at Project Avalon, knowing full-well that most of them where already cherishing a disdain for The One Truth based upon things that had been said here many, many years ago.

As far as public humiliation goes, I'd say that was more than just snark ─ noting also that your membership here still resides in active status ─ and that was seriously hurting my feelings, Purple One.

sourcetruth
13th October 2019, 13:33
Did you actually read his thread at PA? I actually have said all I have to say about QC.

You hurt my feelings, Strider. Please don't confuse snark for psychological warfare. ;b

You want to smear me and the Quartz Crystal channel. You called the QC channel a cult, which is ironic because people on this forum are calling PA a cult.

I have been checking back on my thread at PA, and the only thing that they want to do is attack me in my absence.

This is not about the Quartz Crystal channel anymore, this is about PA.

I am not the only one making these claims about PA, do not just address me, address the other posters who have said the same thing about PA.

You cannot deny that the PA forum likes to gang up on people.

Aragorn
13th October 2019, 14:45
The same way that the PA forum has made a smear campaign against Corey Goode, [...]

Did you actually read what I said to you about Corey Goode? Project Avalon didn't need to smear Corey Goode, because Corey has himself done ─ and is still doing ─ a fine job at exposing himself as a wannabe cult leader. His entire demeanor is in fact an insult to the intelligence of anyone who thinks of themselves as "Awake & Aware™". Not even Kerry Cassidy ─ the undisputed queen of woo-woo ─ still believes in the veracity of what Corey Goode is claiming. I even think David Wilcock ─ who has long been Corey's publicity agent ─ is now distancing himself from Corey as well.

Like I said, I've been friends with Corey, and I have also had to deal with him as a member here at The One Truth after I myself was recruited into the staff here. I know Corey, and he is a fraud, an opportunist, a narcissist, and quite possibly afflicted with schizotypal disorder.


I am not the only one making these claims about PA, do not just address me, address the other posters who have said the same thing about PA

The people who have said that Project Avalon would be a cult have already either retracted those words a long time ago, or they aren't even active anymore as members ─ a few exceptions perhaps notwithstanding.

What I have been told by the Project Avalon moderators ─ and as Bill himself wrote to you on that thread ─ you appear to be willfully blind to the facts while clinging to your own vantage. You are now even victimizing Corey Goode ─ a proven conman ─ and clinging onto what some people here have said about Project Avalon in a past long gone, even after you have been fully briefed on the facts and the circumstances.

And that ─ pardon my bluntness ─ is testimonial of either neuroticism or willful untruthfulness. If you are neurotic, then we can handle that ─ or at least, to a certain degree ─ because you're not the only one within this community. But if you're willfully being untruthful and you insist on misrepresenting things, then I'm afraid there is no place for you here at The One Truth, any more than that there would be a place for you at Project Avalon.

And they over there do feel that you were being untruthful to them, and that is why your account over there was either retired or banned ─ I'm not sure, but I could always check the exact wording Bill used in his announcement. But at this point, I myself over here at The One Truth am also getting the impression that you are indeed willfully being untruthful.

That doesn't mean that we're going to be kicking you out just yet, because we're always willing to give people a chance to prove themselves. But let's just say that you've either way already managed to make a bad start here, and that things are beginning to taste sour enough to put you on my radar.





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Chuckie
13th October 2019, 14:49
I be needin' some education. I haven't seen anything willfully untruthful but I know you know more about inner workings than I do. What's App!

Wind
13th October 2019, 15:27
sourcetruth, Corey Goode is a proven fraud. The data is there, so it's not slander. I think he with the willingly ignorant David Wilcock have done a lot of damage to this community with some other pathological liars and their enablers. As Aragorn said, if you truly are 17 year old then you are very intelligent for your age, but also you should know that only with age you (might) grow out of naivete. Sure you might become more cynical and pessimistic at times, but at least you see things as they truly are. I know that happened to me at least. When I was in my early 20's I thought I knew a lot and now I know that I know very little in the grander scheme of things. I'm very glad that I had some wake up calls that snapped me out of my delusions and naivete even though at times it was quite painful.

I suppose this is a good place to vent, but once you've got that ranting out of your system just move on a focus on other things that matter more. Live and let live, forgive, but you don't have to forget.

Aragorn
13th October 2019, 15:43
I be needin' some education. I haven't seen anything willfully untruthful but I know you know more about inner workings than I do.

I have explained to sourcetruth several times now that the claims that were made here at The One Truth on account of Bill Ryan as a person or Project Avalon as a whole are vantages that are no longer held by those who are still with us today ─ and certainly not by anyone in the mod room ─ and that many of the people who might still be holding those views today are no longer active here as members. I had also already explained to him earlier that Corey Goode is a fraud.

Yet, on both accounts, sourcetruth chose to ignore what I said, and kept on referring to what people here have said about Bill and Project Avalon in the past, and he is now throwing up Corey Goode as a martyr who was slandered by Bill and Project Avalon.

What else would you make of that, NotAPretender, if not untruthfulness?

PurpleLama
13th October 2019, 16:41
I have not read the entire thread, although I have read parts of it. I was responding to that particular quote of yours that sourcetruth included in post #536 (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11414-What-Motivates-Bill-Ryan-of-Project-Avalon-Community-Forum?p=842015272&viewfull=1#post842015272) of this thread here.



Sometimes it's very difficult to ascertain where the line sits that separates those two ─ for the perpetrator as much as for the intended target. You certainly didn't mind pouring a little more oil onto the fire when I briefly (and perhaps foolishly) interacted with the QAnon followers at Project Avalon, knowing full-well that most of them where already cherishing a disdain for The One Truth based upon things that had been said here many, many years ago.

As far as public humiliation goes, I'd say that was more than just snark ─ noting also that your membership here still resides in active status ─ and that was seriously hurting my feelings, Purple One.

I will publicly offer my apology to you right now, for poking at you in the midst of that controversy over at PA. There were a lot of volatile feelings being thrown around that day, and you stepped into the crossfire. It was no secret how I feel and felt about how you handled Q on your own board, but in the interest of the continued respect I should have handled it better when you piped up about it as it was boiling over at PA. I actually think very well of you, and I am a little disappointed at the appearance of partiality sometimes shown when it comes to the left right political paradigm, but that said I am well aware that we agree much more than we disagree in the grand scheme of things.

As an aside, source using Goode as an example is a source of endless amusement for me at the moment.

Aragorn
13th October 2019, 16:49
I will publicly offer my apology to you right now, for poking at you in the midst of that controversy over at PA. There were a lot of volatile feelings being thrown around that day, and you stepped into the crossfire. It was no secret how I feel and felt about how you handled Q on your own board, but in the interest of the continued respect I should have handled it better when you piped up about it as it was boiling over at PA. I actually think very well of you, and I am a little disappointed at the appearance of partiality sometimes shown when it comes to the left right political paradigm, but that said I am well aware that we agree much more than we disagree in the grand scheme of things.

Then I shall hereby accept your apology ─ just as publicly as you've offered it. :handshake: :beer:


As an aside, source using Goode as an example is a source of endless amusement for me at the moment.

Personally, I find it... very worrisome... :unsure:

Chuckie
13th October 2019, 17:08
While it may be untrue, the motivation may not be? I think we might be swamping him with negativity before he even gets a chance to smooth out his feelings. Just my opinion. I understand that it is a newcomer thing for him I just haven't seen anything that is really bad coming from him.

sourcetruth
13th October 2019, 17:22
Did you actually read what I said to you about Corey Goode? Project Avalon didn't need to smear Corey Goode, because Corey has himself done ─ and is still doing ─ a fine job at exposing himself as a wannabe cult leader. His entire demeanor is in fact an insult to the intelligence of anyone who thinks of themselves as "Awake & Aware™". Not even Kerry Cassidy ─ the undisputed queen of woo-woo ─ still believes in the veracity of what Corey Goode is claiming. I even think David Wilcock ─ who has long been Corey's publicity agent ─ is now distancing himself from Corey as well.

Like I said, I've been friends with Corey, and I have also had to deal with him as a member here at The One Truth after I myself was recruited into the staff here. I know Corey, and he is a fraud, an opportunist, a narcissist, and quite possibly afflicted with schizotypal disorder.



The people who have said that Project Avalon would be a cult have already either retracted those words a long time ago, or they aren't even active anymore as members ─ a few exceptions perhaps notwithstanding.

What I have been told by the Project Avalon moderators ─ and as Bill himself wrote to you on that thread ─ you appear to be willfully blind to the facts while clinging to your own vantage. You are now even victimizing Corey Goode ─ a proven conman ─ and clinging onto what some people here have said about Project Avalon in a past long gone, even after you have been fully briefed on the facts and the circumstances.

And that ─ pardon my bluntness ─ is testimonial of either neuroticism or willful untruthfulness. If you are neurotic, then we can handle that ─ or at least, to a certain degree ─ because you're not the only one within this community. But if you're willfully being untruthful and you insist on misrepresenting things, then I'm afraid there is no place for you here at The One Truth, any more than that there would be a place for you at Project Avalon.

And they over there do feel that you were being untruthful to them, and that is why your account over there was either retired or banned ─ I'm not sure, but I could always check the exact wording Bill used in his announcement. But at this point, I myself over here at The One Truth am also getting the impression that you are indeed willfully being untruthful.

That doesn't mean that we're going to be kicking you out just yet, because we're always willing to give people a chance to prove themselves. But let's just say that you've either way already managed to make a bad start here, and that things are beginning to taste sour enough to put you on my radar.





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Believing that someone is being untruthful is not reason enough to ban them from a forum. They could be untruthful, but they could also have been being truthful. "Feeling" that I was being untruthful is not the same as actually being untruthful.

What BR did was accuse me of being untruthful and then deciding that I must have had some ulterior motives. He and other posters on that forum were successful in spinning things to make me look untruthful,which is then what they used to decide that I must have an ulterior motive and then ban me from their forum. This is what I was talling about when I said that they were smearing me.

You know, the last time I tried to defend myself from people being suspicious of me was when I got banned from PA.
I can try to tell you that I am not being willfully untruthful, but you may have already formed an opinion of me. The more I try to defend myself against these accusations then the worse that I am made out to be.

You can tell me that Corey Goode is a proven fraud, but I will not necesarily accept this based on word alone. I am not commenting on if he is right or not, but it does seem like they are ganging up on him the same way that they are ganging up on me. You and PA could very well be either right or wrong about him, but I am just saying that it seems like they are ganging up on him. I have not looked into him well enough to make a judgement about him. Just don't try to use the fact that I don't completely accept or reject your opinion about Corey Goode against me or your opinion of me, because I am just saying that I have not looked into him enough, so I will not accept or reject that he is a fraud.

However, the link that I provided earlier that shows an interview with him about project avalon seems to show that PA and BR were trying to smear him and apin things against him. I am not completely sure that they were but I am suspicious that they could have been. They have tried to spin things against me so it is not surprising that they could have done that to someone else. I have seen posts on this forum criticizing BR and PA for behavior concerning Corey Goode, and one of the things said was that BR and PA were smearing him.

It is a little to far for you to suggest that I could possibly be willfully untruthful in my posts here. The ony thing that you have refered to me in being untruthful is that I am misrepresenting. Then you reference what I said about Corey Goode and what I said about other TOT members opinions of PA. Other then that I don't see any way that I could have been willfully untruthful.

I understand that bad things others have said about PA on this forum in the past may have been retracted by them, but I still feel that they represent my viewpoint on PA. It is a bit of a stretch for you to think that I am being willfully misrepresentative when I reference the statements made by others about PA. But again, I won't simply take your word for this when you say that they have retracted their statements. Some that have replied on this thread after I did have said that they have had certain bad experiences with PA, although I am unsure if this means that they hold the same view of PA as I do.

It is already too far to suggest that I am being willfully untruthful, but it goes even further when you suggest the idea of me potentially being kicked off of the site. Nothing that you mentioned about me misrepresenting is a justification for you bring up the idea of me being kicked off the site.

We could be in disagreement here about some things, but you are not justified in suggesting that I could be kicked out.


sourcetruth, Corey Goode is a proven fraud. The data is there, so it's not slander. I think he with the willingly ignorant David Wilcock have done a lot of damage to this community with some other pathological liars and their enablers. As Aragorn said, if you truly are 17 year old then you are very intelligent for your age, but also you should know that only with age you (might) grow out of naivete. Sure you might become more cynical and pessimistic at times, but at least you see things as they truly are. I know that happened to me at least. When I was in my early 20's I thought I knew a lot and now I know that I know very little in the grander scheme of things. I'm very glad that I had some wake up calls that snapped me out of my delusions and naivete even though at times it was quite painful.

I suppose this is a good place to vent, but once you've got that ranting out of your system just move on a focus on other things that matter more. Live and let, forgive, but you don't have to forget.

You may well be right that Corey Goode is a fraud, but I need to look into it further to verify it for myself. Can you please send me to any links that debunk him as a fraud that are not PA? I have come to distrust PA so I eant to see another sourcr that confirms this.


While it may be untrue, the motivation may not be? I think we might be swamping him with negativity before he even gets a chance to smooth out his feelings. Just my opinion. I understand that it is a newcomer thing for him I just haven't seen anything that is really bad coming from him.

I think that this is overreaching on the part of Aragorn.

I am just a newcomer to this forum, I am not completely familiar with everything here.

sourcetruth
13th October 2019, 17:28
I have explained to sourcetruth several times now that the claims that were made here at The One Truth on account of Bill Ryan as a person or Project Avalon as a whole are vantages that are no longer held by those who are still with us today ─ and certainly not by anyone in the mod room ─ and that many of the people who might still be holding those views today are no longer active here as members. I had also already explained to him earlier that Corey Goode is a fraud.

Yet, on both accounts, sourcetruth chose to ignore what I said, and kept on referring to what people here have said about Bill and Project Avalon in the past, and he is now throwing up Corey Goode as a martyr who was slandered by Bill and Project Avalon.

What else would you make of that, NotAPretender, if not untruthfulness?

You are going too far when you suggest that my intent was to be untruthful.

Chuckie
13th October 2019, 17:33
Honestly, Source I think letting the smoke clear would be a good thing? :)

PurpleLama
13th October 2019, 17:35
Source, you did lie on your application form, or in the thread, over at PA. You can pretend that is not a big deal, but it was a big deal.

This is in reference to your supposed age. Also, it has not been mentioned, that several people observed a variation of writing style for different posts, and only then was your IPs checked, and there were four or five.

Aragorn
13th October 2019, 17:50
Believing that someone is being untruthful is not reason enough to ban them from a forum. They could be untruthful, but they could also have been being truthful. "Feeling" that I was being untruthful is not the same as actually being untruthful.

What BR did was accuse me of being untruthful and then deciding that I must have had some ulterior motives. He and other posters on that forum were successful in spinning things to make me look untruthful,which is then what they used to decide that I must have an ulterior motive and then ban me from their forum. This is what I was talling about when I said that they were smearing me.

You know, the last time I tried to defend myself from people being suspicious of me was when I got banned from PA.
I can try to tell you that I am not being willfully untruthful, but you may have already formed an opinion of me. The more I try to defend myself against these accusations then the worse that I am made out to be.

You can tell me that Corey Goode is a proven fraud, but I will not necesarily accept this based on word alone. I am not commenting on if he is right or not, but it does seem like they are ganging up on him the same way that they are ganging up on me. You and PA could very well be either right or wrong about him, but I am just saying that it seems like they are ganging up on him. I have not looked into him well enough to make a judgement about him. Just don't try to use the fact that I don't completely accept or reject your opinion about Corey Goode against me or your opinion of me, because I am just saying that I have not looked into him enough, so I will not accept or reject that he is a fraud.

However, the link that I provided earlier that shows an interview with him about project avalon seems to show that PA and BR were trying to smear him and apin things against him. I am not completely sure that they were but I am suspicious that they could have been. They have tried to spin things against me so it is not surprising that they could have done that to someone else. I have seen posts on this forum criticizing BR and PA for behavior concerning Corey Goode, and one of the things said was that BR and PA were smearing him.

It is a little to far for you to suggest that I could possibly be willfully untruthful in my posts here. The ony thing that you have refered to me in being untruthful is that I am misrepresenting. Then you reference what I said about Corey Goode and what I said about other TOT members opinions of PA. Other then that I don't see any way that I could have been willfully untruthful.

I understand that bad things others have said about PA on this forum in the past may have been retracted by them, but I still feel that they represent my viewpoint on PA. It is a bit of a stretch for you to think that I am being willfully misrepresentative when I reference the statements made by others about PA. But again, I won't simply take your word for this when you say that they have retracted their statements. Some that have replied on this thread after I did have said that they have had certain bad experiences with PA, although I am unsure if this means that they hold the same view of PA as I do.

Alright, then at this point I am now opined that you would be neurotic, given that you felt you needed seven paragraphs for saying the same thing. :rolleyes:


It is already too far to suggest that I am being willfully untruthful, but it goes even further when you suggest the idea of me potentially being kicked off of the site. Nothing that you mentioned about me misrepresenting is a justification for you bring up the idea of me being kicked off the site.

We could be in disagreement here about some things, but you are not justified in suggesting that I could be kicked out.

Pardon me, Your Highness, but as it just so happens to be, I am the administrator of The One Truth ─ not you ─ and it is us, the staff, who have created the rules here, and who will determine who is to leave and who is to stay.

If a person is abusing The One Truth for deliberately spreading misinformation, disinformation or propaganda, or if a person is otherwise toxic to our community or hazardous to individual members, then we reserve the right to show said person to the door. And we may do that gently ─ i.e. by retiring said person's account, so that they still have read-only access to all public sections of the forum ─ or we may decide to do it manu militari, depending on the circumstances.

And members with a sense of entitlement usually don't last very long here, I can tell you that much. At this point, I see no reason to show you to the door just yet, but please don't test my patience or call my bluff. That would be the mistake others have made in the past, and they lost their bet.


You may well be right that Corey Goode is a fraud, but I need to look into it further to verify it for myself. Can you please send me to any links that debunk him as a fraud that are not PA? I have come to distrust PA so I eant to see another sourcr that confirms this.

There is plenty of material all over the forum that shows how Corey changes his story all the time, as well as plenty of testimony of his antics. Also, on the day he left the forum, he was only abusing the forum anymore for advertising his guest appearances on various radio shows, and he falsely accused another staff member and myself of being followers of his enemy, Shane "The Ruiner" Bales ─ who, for that matter, is an equally great liar and storyteller, and we caught him in own his web of lies just the same.

Also, while Corey was a member here and he couldn't get me to do what he wanted me to do, he just went over my head and took it straight to Malc (The One), the founder of The One Truth. But of course, Malc stood by us, and he knew that the allegations were false, because none of us had ever been remotely interested in the Ruiner material ─ we all knew it was bunk.

Lastly, on account of Corey's dealings with Project Avalon, I was there, both on and behind the scenes. I know what happened. You may choose to disbelieve it, but then that's on you. The evidence is all out there.

sourcetruth
13th October 2019, 18:25
Source, you did lie on your application form, or in the thread, over at PA. You can pretend that is not a big deal, but it was a big deal.

This is in reference to your supposed age. Also, it has not been mentioned, that several people observed a variation of writing style for different posts, and only then was your IPs checked, and there were four or five.

Let me explain myself about all of this, I tried to explain this on that forum but they did not listen to me.

I put on my application that I was 2000 while I should have put that I was born in 2002 to be 17. The reason that I did this was because I was uncertain about if my application would have been accepted if I put that I was under 18, so I put my age to be a little over 18 so that I wouldn't have doubs about being accepted. It may not seem resasonable for me to think that but at the time that I applied I had a slight doubt about it.

I dis not post this on that forum because I was doubtful about what the response to it would be.

As for the IP address, the locations that BR said were my IP addresses were pennsylvania, new jersey, san jose, and memphis.
My family moved to memphis to philadelphia during the time period that I was making posts on Project Avalon. We initially went to philadelphia but then went to new jersey. Pennsylvania and new jersey are right next to each other at philadelphia.

As for san jose, that is in california, and I am not sure why that was listed. It may have had to do something with the the fact that I was using my mobile phone data when I was going onto the forum, because I was posting on the forum using my data plan of my phone.

The writing style of my posts changed because I was changing the approach to how I wanted to explain myself. It doesn't mean that I had multiple people using my account.

There was the theory that multiple people were using my account, and my question is why would there be multiple using my account? There is really no logic behind this accusation, it is baseless and illogical. There is no reason that there would be multiple people using my account.

This is part of what I am describing when I say that I am being smeared, because the acvusations are being made against me that are unfair

sourcetruth
13th October 2019, 19:24
Honestly, Source I think letting the smoke clear would be a good thing? :)

Yeah, I think it would be a good thing, just so that we can all be clear.

PurpleLama
13th October 2019, 19:42
This is really getting silly. I predict your tenure at TOT will be shorter than the one you enjoyed at PA.

sourcetruth
13th October 2019, 19:46
This is really getting silly. I predict your tenure at TOT will be shorter than the one you enjoyed at PA.

So you want to say this but not even bother to address my reply to you?

There is nothing silly about any of my replies, I have been very serious here and I have been explaining myself very clearly.

There was no reason for me to be banned from PA. I was just in disagreement with the entire forum, which is why I was banned. But that is not a valid reason to bam someone. I got accused of many things and of having ulterior motives, which they used as a poor justification to ban me. They wanted to spin things against me to smear me, so that they could justify their ban of me.

The reason that the Quartz Crystal material was rejected by PA was because it goes against the grain and it is too far from the mainstream.

sourcetruth
13th October 2019, 19:56
Alright, then at this point I am now opined that you would be neurotic, given that you felt you needed seven paragraphs for saying the same thing. :rolleyes:



Pardon me, Your Highness, but as it just so happens to be, I am the administrator of The One Truth ─ not you ─ and it is us, the staff, who have created the rules here, and who will determine who is to leave and who is to stay.

If a person is abusing The One Truth for deliberately spreading misinformation, disinformation or propaganda, or if a person is otherwise toxic to our community or hazardous to individual members, then we reserve the right to show said person to the door. And we may do that gently ─ i.e. by retiring said person's account, so that they still have read-only access to all public sections of the forum ─ or we may decide to do it manu militari, depending on the circumstances.

And members with a sense of entitlement usually don't last very long here, I can tell you that much. At this point, I see no reason to show you to the door just yet, but please don't test my patience or call my bluff. That would be the mistake others have made in the past, and they lost their bet.



There is plenty of material all over the forum that shows how Corey changes his story all the time, as well as plenty of testimony of his antics. Also, on the day he left the forum, he was only abusing the forum anymore for advertising his guest appearances on various radio shows, and he falsely accused another staff member and myself of being followers of his enemy, Shane "The Ruiner" Bales ─ who, for that matter, is an equally great liar and storyteller, and we caught him in own his web of lies just the same.

Also, while Corey was a member here and he couldn't get me to do what he wanted me to do, he just went over my head and took it straight to Malc (The One), the founder of The One Truth. But of course, Malc stood by us, and he knew that the allegations were false, because none of us had ever been remotely interested in the Ruiner material ─ we all knew it was bunk.

Lastly, on account of Corey's dealings with Project Avalon, I was there, both on and behind the scenes. I know what happened. You may choose to disbelieve it, but then that's on you. The evidence is all out there.

Let me ask you this, do you think that it was fair for me to get banned on PA? And do you think that it was fair for me to be ganged up on?

Chris
13th October 2019, 19:58
Let me explain myself about all of this, I tried to explain this on that forum but they did not listen to me.

I put on my application that I was 2000 while I should have put that I was born in 2002 to be 17. The reason that I did this was because I was uncertain about if my application would have been accepted if I put that I was under 18, so I put my age to be a little over 18 so that I wouldn't have doubs about being accepted. It may not seem resasonable for me to think that but at the time that I applied I had a slight doubt about it.

I dis not post this on that forum because I was doubtful about what the response to it would be.

As for the IP address, the locations that BR said were my IP addresses were pennsylvania, new jersey, san jose, and memphis.
My family moved to memphis to philadelphia during the time period that I was making posts on Project Avalon. We initially went to philadelphia but then went to new jersey. Pennsylvania and new jersey are right next to each other at philadelphia.

As for san jose, that is in california, and I am not sure why that was listed. It may have had to do something with the the fact that I was using my mobile phone data when I was going onto the forum, because I was posting on the forum using my data plan of my phone.

The writing style of my posts changed because I was changing the approach to how I wanted to explain myself. It doesn't mean that I had multiple people using my account.

There was the theory that multiple people were using my account, and my question is why would there be multiple using my account? There is really no logic behind this accusation, it is baseless and illogical. There is no reason that there would be multiple people using my account.

This is part of what I am describing when I say that I am being smeared, because the acvusations are being made against me that are unfair

To me, it sounds like a reasonable explanation. I have been at the receiving end of paranoia and groupthink from certain PA members, so I know exactly how that feels.

When I first joined, I was almost immediately accused of being an MK Ultra intelligence asset with a handler that was sent to infiltrate and take down the forum. That thankfully died down, but certain people repeatedly attacked me and tried to discredit me, although I always fought back and did not take it lying down, as exhausting as that was. Eventually, it was decided that I was a danger to the whole community, so I was banned outright, with no warning or any possibility of recourse. It had seriously affected my mental and spiritual state, so it was no trivial matter. I am over it now, but when you are ganged up on by an entire community with various accusations, it really rocks your world and makes you question all your assumptions.

That mentality actually followed me over here, since a newly joined member, who knew me from PA immediately started attacking me, Bill Ryan got involved and it all turned into a big almighty mess with a lot of back of forth between the two forums, not unlike what you are experiencing now, so you have my sympathies. Thankfully it all worked out in the end and I can say that we're all friends now and there are no hard feelings. I just hope that eventually you'll come to see things that way as well.

PurpleLama
13th October 2019, 20:13
The reason that the Quartz Crystal material was rejected by PA was because it goes against the grain and it is too far from the mainstream.

Or, because it was garbage, and having recognized it as such, we debated it with you in the hopes you would relent from your your way or the highway approach to the topic.

That being said, your quote of my post, which prompted my entry into this thread, has held to be entirely true. You did go straight into the PA bashing, and QC has only been mentioned in passing, so perhaps you have a new hobby. LOL!

sourcetruth
13th October 2019, 20:39
Or, because it was garbage, and having recognized it as such, we debated it with you in the hopes you would relent from your your way or the highway approach to the topic.

That being said, your quote of my post, which prompted my entry into this thread, has held to be entirely true. You did go straight into the PA bashing, and QC has only been mentioned in passing, so perhaps you have a new hobby. LOL!

Or maybe it wasn't garbage, what makes you so sure? That is what is said of a lot of concepts too far from the mainstream, because they disagree with what the majority holds.

When you and your PA forum "recognize this as garbage", what you are really doing is exercising the exclusivity of your forum to anything that don't fit with the viewpoint that your forum has already decided to hold.

Once it was clear that I would not "relent" in the way that the forum wanted me to, BR banned be, because it became clear that Iw ould no longer be an obedient loyal member of the forum. Your leader wants people who will not detract from the group, which is why he wanted to ban me.

You are not someone who is open to new ideas, you are someone who has already decided what view to hold, and looks at anything else in relation to this viewpoint. This also applies to PA as a whole, and to your leader BR. This is why PA felt the need to slander and discredit me, because they wanted to discredit my topic of discussion.

PA deserves to be exposed for its group mentality and exclusivity of ideas.

sourcetruth
13th October 2019, 20:44
To me, it sounds like a reasonable explanation. I have been at the receiving end of paranoia and groupthink from certain PA members, so I know exactly how that feels.

When I first joined, I was almost immediately accused of being an MK Ultra intelligence asset with a handler that was sent to infiltrate and take down the forum. That thankfully died down, but certain people repeatedly attacked me and tried to discredit me, although I always fought back and did not take it lying down, as exhausting as that was. Eventually, it was decided that I was a danger to the whole community, so I was banned outright, with no warning or any possibility of recourse. It had seriously affected my mental and spiritual state, so it was no trivial matter. I am over it now, but when you are ganged up on by an entire community with various accusations, it really rocks your world and makes you question all your assumptions.

That mentality actually followed me over here, since a newly joined member, who knew me from PA immediately started attacking me, Bill Ryan got involved and it all turned into a big almighty mess with a lot of back of forth between the two forums, not unlike what you are experiencing now, so you have my sympathies. Thankfully it all worked out in the end and I can say that we're all friends now and there are no hard feelings. I just hope that eventually you'll come to see things that way as well.

It is a tactic used by the group when they decide that they want to exclude someone from their forum, they are doing it purposefully and willfully in order to discredit anyone who has an opposing viewpoint, which will maintain the group mentality on the forum.

Chuckie
13th October 2019, 22:10
As the saying goes Source, "When in Rome do as the Romans do" That doesn't mean sell your soul to be a groupie. But until one builds some 'credibility' it is best to walk softly. I didn't walk softly (not my style at all) got banned, railroaded really by what proved to be a master of manipulation, now long gone from the forum and in my estimation moving busily along the road of mass manipulation. I thought from the beginning that I knew this person from another forum and quickly began to realize that whatever it was they were, they were 'professional'. A very sick human being in fact.

One shouldn't walk knowingly into an enemy camp with a weapon raised...it isn't healthy... :)

Chuckie
13th October 2019, 22:15
I prefer to think that BR came to realize how his 'Paul' (you may or may not have met him) was a moron and colluded with the Witch of the East to take me down. He later relented and granted me membershib again but I quickly burned that bridge. I knew what I was getting into this time and have no regrets. The same might happen to you as well. Only time will tell.

PurpleLama
13th October 2019, 23:29
Source, I will humbly invite you to begin your standard QC thread, and see how it fares here at TOT. It seems curious that you seem to have veered from your standard OP with your debut at this board as opposed to all the others. That might be my fault, I have been guilty of creating self fulfilling prophecies in the past.

:wiz:

PurpleLama
13th October 2019, 23:34
Or maybe it wasn't garbage, what makes you so sure?

It might be the fact that I am over 40, and i started this journey when I was not only younger than you, but before the internet came into being. I know, crazy, right?

sourcetruth
14th October 2019, 03:23
As the saying goes Source, "When in Rome do as the Romans do" That doesn't mean sell your soul to be a groupie. But until one builds some 'credibility' it is best to walk softly. I didn't walk softly (not my style at all) got banned, railroaded really by what proved to be a master of manipulation, now long gone from the forum and in my estimation moving busily along the road of mass manipulation. I thought from the beginning that I knew this person from another forum and quickly began to realize that whatever it was they were, they were 'professional'. A very sick human being in fact.

One shouldn't walk knowingly into an enemy camp with a weapon raised...it isn't healthy... :)

I guess I did not walk softly enough in that forum, I was too willing to argue against them.

If you don't establish yourself as one of the group then it is easier for them to gang up on you, because they see you as an outsider.


I prefer to think that BR came to realize how his 'Paul' (you may or may not have met him) was a moron and colluded with the Witch of the East to take me down. He later relented and granted me membershib again but I quickly burned that bridge. I knew what I was getting into this time and have no regrets. The same might happen to you as well. Only time will tell.

Considering how much support he has rallied against me in the thread, I doubt that he would ever want to restore my membership in any way, because he rallied everyone against me.

sourcetruth
14th October 2019, 03:31
It might be the fact that I am over 40, and i started this journey when I was not only younger than you, but before the internet came into being. I know, crazy, right?

So you think that it is garbage because it goes against what you have been taught all these years?

sourcetruth
14th October 2019, 03:37
Source, I will humbly invite you to begin your standard QC thread, and see how it fares here at TOT. It seems curious that you seem to have veered from your standard OP with your debut at this board as opposed to all the others. That might be my fault, I have been guilty of creating self fulfilling prophecies in the past.

:wiz:

I will indeed do so. I am not sure if you want to participate in that thread that I will make, but if you do, then I am ready for you.

I have indeed veered off from my standard OP, I had a lot to contribute to this thread about PA and BR by providing information about my own experience with them.

Aragorn
14th October 2019, 06:22
Let me ask you this, do you think that it was fair for me to get banned on PA?

Well, that's a complicated issue. First of all, I believe that Bill referred to your account as having been unsubscribed, and because of the difference in terminology ─ here at The One Truth, we use the terms "banned" and "retired", which are two different things ─ it is not clear to me whether you have, in fact, been banned or not. To us here, the term "banned" means that if you try bringing up the forum in your browser again, you get to see a message that tells you that you've been banned (and why), and then that is all you get to see, because then you don't have access to anything on the forum anymore, unless you clear out all of your browser cookies related to that forum.

The second thing is that I haven't read your entire thread at Project Avalon out of a lack of time and energy. I am the administrator here at The One Truth, I am one of the administrators at our sister forum Eye-Rise, I check in at Project Avalon several times a day ─ where, as you know, traffic is a lot busier than here ─ and then I also check in several times a day at the PCLinuxOS forum, and I am an assistant-moderator at the Manjaro Linux forum, where I provide lots of technical assistence. And on top of that, I'm also suffering from various health issues. So it's simply not feasible for me to read everything into detail, and I have to maintain a mental filter. I don't read any long threads on any other forum than The One Truth anymore.

Now, what I know of your situation at Project Avalon has already been said on this thread here, and so I have to go by that information in order to answer your question. Do I think it was fair? Well, Project Avalon is Bill Ryan's forum, and as such, he holds the prerogative to lay down the conditions people must live up to if they want to remain members at his forum. He has every right to demand that. As a Project Avalon member, you are a guest in Bill Ryan's living room, so to speak, and it is a guest's obligation to behave according to the rules of the house.

Did you violate those rules? Well, Bill and his moderators seem to think that you did, and not knowing all of the details of the situation, it is not for me to say whether their impressions of you were correct or not. But it's their house, and they felt that you didn't belong there, and that you were being an unproductive member. Personally I wouldn't have banned you per se ─ again: I don't know the exact circumstances and I can only go by the small amount of information I do have ─ because there is always the option of graceful retirement, which still allows the retired member to visit the forum and read all of the material in the public section ─ not in the members-only section anymore, of course.

Was there an influence from Bill on his members in this decision, or vice versa? Yes, most likely there was, but it won't have been deliberate. One never lives in a vacuum, and people interact with one another, and their opinions always weigh in, even if you don't accept them. For instance, someone could tell me something that I don't accept for true, but nevertheless, I will have heard or read their words, and I will have spent some computing cycles in my brain on whatever it is that they told me ─ whether true or false.

But has Bill yielded to the pressure from his members? No, I don't think so. Has Bill willfully rallied his members to gang up on you? No, I don't think so either. But have the members ganged up on you? Well, to a certain extent they have, yes. It's human nature, and the anonymizing aspect of communicating over the internet facilitates this gang culture. Project Avalon is certainly no exception in that regard, but it gets even worse if you look at things like Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and all those other "social media". At least the staff at Project Avalon are still intervening and they actively try calming people down via the back-channels. You don't get that on Facebook, Twitter and whatever else is there.


And do you think that it was fair for me to be ganged up on?

It is never fair to be ganged up on. The phenomenon is however real, and sadly enough, it is very natural ─ see above ─ due to the anonymous nature of the internet, and because human beings are herd animals. And in addition to that, in this day and age, the human mindset is so very much "not awake" at all.

People are acting much more upon instinct than upon conscious thought ─ just as The Powers That Be™ want us to behave. And that's exactly why we're "sheeple". Most people don't even know themselves, but they'll always be quick to judge another. For the record, I'm not saying that this is what happened to you at Project Avalon, but it is a general observation on account of humanity from someone ─ me ─ who has never "fitted in" anywhere, and who has also been the victim of bullying and mob rule in his life.

Time heals (almost) all wounds. You are feeling hurt right now because you feel you've been treated unjustly. I can understand and appreciate that. But the situation is what it is, and there is little to nothing you can do to change it. The past is either way the past ─ it's all water under the bridge ─ and time is only moving forward in this reality. So try not to dwell on what lies behind you, but instead focus on what lies ahead. You're still young, and you have a whole lifetime ahead of you. So try looking at things in a positive light. Everything happens for a reason, even if we don't understand said reason.

:unsure:




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJUhlRoBL8M

Dreamtimer
14th October 2019, 14:20
I haven't welcomed you yet, sourcetruth, so welcome to the shire.
:welcome toters::lets make:

Dreamtimer
14th October 2019, 14:51
Forgive but don't forget. Fantastic advice, Wind. It's important to remember for so many reasons.


Corey did one good thing, inadvertently, which was to lead me to this forum. I had been reading some of his posts at PA and I was interested in his 'sphere beings'.

He had a few threads here which he posted on a great deal. They are still there to be read. The evidence is in plain sight so-to-speak. He did not turn out to be honorable or truthful. I can say that as an empirical observation rather than as opinion.

Wind
14th October 2019, 15:00
Forgive but don't forget. Fantastic advice, Wind. It's important to remember for so many reasons.

That's what I apply in my life. I can forgive many things if not everything that has been done to me, but I will never forget. I can't and I won't. It is a part of my soul's lesson to learn from those painful things and integrate them into the evolution of my consciousness and compassion. It is a mistake to forget, that way we will never learn from mistakes, be they our own or others. People who don't know history are doomed to repeat it.

Here's something to look into.


http://youtu.be/M6WRnA17OrM

Dreamtimer
14th October 2019, 15:07
In many ways it's a shame this forum is so small. We have a lot of early Corey Goode stuff here. He could easily be exposed for the sham that he is. But folks don't really look that far down the rabbit hole, do they?

I recall how WantDisclosure outright refused to read Corey's own words posted here. She kept using the word 'smear'. But Corey would have to have been deliberately smearing himself. She would not even read his own posts. She did not want her bubble burst.

Dreamtimer
14th October 2019, 15:13
I forgot about the 'intuitive empath' claims. Corey proved that wrong right off the bat with me. He didn't intuit or even interpret me correctly. He saw what he wanted to see.


Predicting the future is not, imo, such a big deal. People do it all the time. It's just mostly intuitive. We pick up the phone when someone had just dialed us. We think of someone we haven't seen in years and then there they are.

Our instincts tell us not to go there or turn that way. And then we find out we avoided great danger.

My experience as well as some research has led me to the belief that we dream about the future quite a bit.

Here's a fun example: I had a dream that I was brushing my teeth but my mouth was all black. It was gross. Dream interpretation would lead me to all sorts of fears.

Simple truth is that I foresaw using activated charcoal toothpaste. I was in the bathroom brushing my teeth and looked at my gross reflection, experienced a moment of deja vu, and then recalled the dream. It was just a simple jaunt into the future possibilities.

I must say that nothing is set in stone, so even when dreaming of the future it's very important to remember that it's just a likely possibility, not foreordained.

I doubt Corey knows any of this. He has to take his ideas from other folks.

Dreamtimer
14th October 2019, 16:22
That was a good video Wind. I watch the Illusion one as well. He should do one on Roger Ramsaur.

sourcetruth
26th September 2020, 05:23
https://youtu.be/IzUdeLI6x2w
Has anybody else seen the new video Kevin Moore made on Bill Ryan? Its quite... Interesting
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?112131-Bill-s-Picasso-story
That's Bill Ryan's response to the story.

Elen
26th September 2020, 05:56
https://youtu.be/IzUdeLI6x2w
Has anybody else seen the new video Kevin Moore made on Bill Ryan? Its quite... Interesting
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?112131-Bill-s-Picasso-story
That's Bill Ryan's response to the story.

I saw it and thought it was "unbecoming" of Kevin Moore to make assumptions based on rumours and gossip. :goodbad:

Aianawa
26th September 2020, 07:49
Thankyou Saucysource, will look into, ta

and hi


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzUdeLI6x2w&feature=youtu.be

Chuckie
26th September 2020, 13:55
I saw it the other day, but it is a touchy subject hereabouts the shire. Here's the thing: A lot of the video was pretty well researched ... so?

Aragorn
26th September 2020, 14:31
https://youtu.be/IzUdeLI6x2w
Has anybody else seen the new video Kevin Moore made on Bill Ryan? Its quite... Interesting
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?112131-Bill-s-Picasso-story
That's Bill Ryan's response to the story.

I've watched that video in its entirety on the night that it was uploaded to YouTube, and I'm also aware of how you were one of the most vigorous contributors of the hatemongering in the video's comment section on YouTube. :facepalm:

Ever since the story of the Picasso drawing came to the surface many years ago, Bill has always been consistent in his recount of what happened. His story has never changed once, and I for one believe him.

If the Picasso drawing is authentic, then it was drawn long before Maya Picasso was ever born, and so she may not be an authority on whether it was indeed made by Pablo Picasso or not. Furthermore, in her letter to the art dealer's lawyer, Maya writes that she does not believe the drawing to be from the hand of her father. She does not say that it is a fake, but only that she does not believe that her father drew that, even though ─ again ─ if it is indeed authentic, then it would have been drawn decades before Maya was born. And back in those days, Pablo Picasso was very prolific, and a lot of his material may have gone by uncatalogued. It is quite plausible that this work would be one of the uncatalogued ones.

What Kevin Moore did in that video was disgraceful, and for myself, he has now completely ruined his reputation as a documentary maker because of the unprofessional way that he compiled this "evidence" against Bill, as well as because of his motivation for doing so, namely that he was banned from Project Avalon earlier, and that he holds a grudge against Bill. Just like you, I might add.

Where I come from, a man is still innocent until proven guilty. Bill's recount of how he came into the possession of the drawing and how the sale went down is highly plausible, just as that it sounds very clear to me that Lisa, the art dealer, is trying to save her own reputation after having screwed up trying to score a lucrative deal when she was still new in the business.

If this particular "documentary" is representative for how Kevin Moore works, then none of his other work should be taken seriously either, notwithstanding his correct exposure of the fact that Mark Richards is indeed a confirmed premeditated murderer.

Malisa
6th October 2020, 22:10
I've watched that video in its entirety on the night that it was uploaded to YouTube, and I'm also aware of how you were one of the most vigorous contributors of the hatemongering in the video's comment section on YouTube. :facepalm:

Ever since the story of the Picasso drawing came to the surface many years ago, Bill has always been consistent in his recount of what happened. His story has never changed once, and I for one believe him.

If the Picasso drawing is authentic, then it was drawn long before Maya Picasso was ever born, and so she may not be an authority on whether it was indeed made by Pablo Picasso or not. Furthermore, in her letter to the art dealer's lawyer, Maya writes that she does not believe the drawing to be from the hand of her father. She does not say that it is a fake, but only that she does not believe that her father drew that, even though ─ again ─ if it is indeed authentic, then it would have been drawn decades before Maya was born. And back in those days, Pablo Picasso was very prolific, and a lot of his material may have gone by uncatalogued. It is quite plausible that this work would be one of the uncatalogued ones.

What Kevin Moore did in that video was disgraceful, and for myself, he has now completely ruined his reputation as a documentary maker because of the unprofessional way that he compiled this "evidence" against Bill, as well as because of his motivation for doing so, namely that he was banned from Project Avalon earlier, and that he holds a grudge against Bill. Just like you, I might add.

Where I come from, a man is still innocent until proven guilty. Bill's recount of how he came into the possession of the drawing and how the sale went down is highly plausible, just as that it sounds very clear to me that Lisa, the art dealer, is trying to save her own reputation after having screwed up trying to score a lucrative deal when she was still new in the business.

If this particular "documentary" is representative for how Kevin Moore works, then none of his other work should be taken seriously either, notwithstanding his correct exposure of the fact that Mark Richards is indeed a confirmed premeditated murderer.

There is plenty of evidence that he did not attempt to do anything but to sell a sketch he took for real, there was a professional appraisal of it way before and it was part of the deal and it was accepted as such, it's very simple. You can't go back years later to demand a refund just because someone who did not do a new evaluation of the picture just says "is not real" without any proof Causing it lost value due to the rumors, when there was no new appraisal and the person has not ever seen the sketch in person or has any credentials to discredit something, beyond "he was my father", which are not professional credentials at all

If you sell a car and years later the car maker goes into a bad rumor that they hired underage people to do work and the car is worthless now, do you go back to the person that sold it to you and demand a refund? Because that's very much what happened with the picture

It is so sad to see how some people act through hate, no matter what facts are presented, or don't even bother to look at facts at all. Hate is the main driving force

Also it's so funny to see, that only people who have been kicked in the butt out of Avalon have so much grudge.

IF they think Avalon is worthless, why are they so hateful and even years after, still keeping that "i was removed from Avalon" grudge alive? It does say a lot about the life they deal with, i guess? :)

Too bad for these people who claim to have higher standards, but act on their lowest due to low principles. Meh

Gio
6th October 2020, 23:19
hmm ...

Who gives a shit.

modwiz
7th October 2020, 04:53
hmm ...

Who gives a shit.

Yes, old news. We have a future to see to.

Aianawa
7th October 2020, 20:25
Indeed, the best movies are a head, a balanced knoggin, creative juices of ones heart n passion foolfooled.

sourcetruth
8th October 2020, 18:57
Kevin Moore even talked to Emile Wolf's own son, who said that his father has never been to Ghana and that he has never even heard of anyone named Bill Ryan or anyone named Ryan.
In the video then they talked about how the FBI could not find any traces of Bill Ryan and that it looked like he was covering his tracks. That seemed suspicious to me.
Whether or not Maya Picasso's statement proves that it is a fake or not, the fact that she wasn't able to authenticate it still casts doubt on the paintings authenticity. And I am quite sure that she is an authority on the work of her fathers, and she is probably tasked regularly on it.
You can believe him and his word all you want, but there is certainly a level of doubt that remains. I can't say that I believe him with this level of doubt and uncertainty.


It is so sad to see how some people act through hate, no matter what facts are presented, or don't even bother to look at facts at all. Hate is the main driving force

The facts that were presented were already presented to a US court, and they already made their ruling. They even know that he had someone authenticate the paining, and yet they still made their ruling against him. The court doesn't seem like they were able to authenticate the painting. Bill could have even fought it it in court if he really wanted to.


Also it's so funny to see, that only people who have been kicked in the butt out of Avalon have so much grudge.
Maybe it is funny. But it is not funny to Lisa, the art dealer.
There are numerous of those who have been "kicked in the butt out of Avalon".

Aragorn
9th October 2020, 02:56
Kevin Moore even talked to Emile Wolf's own son, who said that his father has never been to Ghana and that he has never even heard of anyone named Bill Ryan or anyone named Ryan.

Kevin Moore also adamantly claims that the Project Avalon staff ─ and Bill in particular ─ read the members' private messages. This is a flagrant and bald-faced lie. You need a special vBulletin plugin to be able to do that, and no such a plugin is installed at Project Avalon.

Kevin Moore can claim all he wants, but he has lost all credibility with me. Bill Ryan on the other hand may have his flaws ─ who doesn't? ─ but his integrity in this matter stands like a house on solid ground, and having been closely involved with all dealings within the Project Avalon mod room as an administrator for about eight months, I can testify first-hand how protective Bill is of his members and their privacy. I also repeat that his story regarding the Picasso drawing and how it came into the possession of his family has never changed. Bill has been both consistent and transparent in that from day one.


In the video then they talked about how the FBI could not find any traces of Bill Ryan and that it looked like he was covering his tracks. That seemed suspicious to me.

Why gee, Bill isn't even a US citizen. If you were to ask the FBI for any information on me, then they'd probably come up with even less than they have on Bill, because I've never even set foot in the USA.

Maybe you should ask the FBI how much info they have on a certain woman named Judy, eh?


Whether or not Maya Picasso's statement proves that it is a fake or not, the fact that she wasn't able to authenticate it still casts doubt on the paintings authenticity. And I am quite sure that she is an authority on the work of her fathers, and she is probably tasked regularly on it.

Not necessarily. First of all, that drawing ─ it's a charcoal drawing, not a painting ─ was created decades before Maya Picasso was born. Secondly, a lot of Picasso's work ─ and this is just as true for other artists ─ simply went uncatalogued. Artists are artists, not businessmen (or -women) seeking to make a fortune, unlike art dealers.


The facts that were presented were already presented to a US court, and they already made their ruling. They even know that he had someone authenticate the paining, and yet they still made their ruling against him. The court doesn't seem like they were able to authenticate the painting. Bill could have even fought it it in court if he really wanted to.

No, he couldn't, because Bill wasn't even in the USA when the case went to court. He was in Ecuador on a presentation tour with Inelia Benz.

donk
9th October 2020, 05:15
Member when he had his forum try to gang-shame his wife for his $60k in sentimental gold coins he was so upset she stole?

Aragorn
9th October 2020, 05:29
Member when he had his forum try to gang-shame his wife for his $60k in sentimental gold coins he was so upset she stole?

Even though I have not looked at the pertinent discussions in the Project Avalon mod room regarding that subject ─ if there even are any records of that ─ and with the disclaimer that the regular mods chat was still on Skype in those days, instead of on Discord as it is now, I'm not so sure that Bill himself would have been behind that shaming campaign. Sure, Bill would have told the (then) mods about it, but from what I know now, I think it was rather former Project Avalon administrator Paul Jackson who set that whole campaign in motion.

It was either way before my time as a staff member over there, so I cannot make any authoritative statements in that regard, and I won't. :noidea:

Dear Reader
9th October 2020, 15:48
I've been through something fairly similar to all this malarky recently, and let me tell you this:

Once the 'Crowd' has decided that you're a wrong 'un, that's it...... you are a 'Wrong 'un'. They ain't gonna let little incidentals like facts get in the way of the derision, no sireee, no way, no how. It is only a very small minority that will, when presented with evidence that they were wrong, apologise and admit they were wrong. Very small minority indeed. Now you into the area of Ego, and we know how passionately some will protect that Ego, to have it bruised in any way...... Phhheeeeoooooo....... No, no, no.

I liked some of Kevins earlier stuff, The Moore Show etc, but this latest incarnation, International Spiritual News Network seems to me to be just another vehicle with a fairly large demographic for him to hitch his trailer to. How can you claim to be a spiritual person and then spit-out some of the vitriol he has? Don't work like that does it.

By thy deeds be known....... And all that.


It's all a storm in a tea cup anyway.

"2 sugars please, and leave the bag in".

Ta.

Wind
9th October 2020, 22:07
Sure, Bill would have told the (then) mods about it, but from what I know now, I think it was rather former Project Avalon administrator Paul Jackson who set that whole campaign in motion.

It's not really my business, but if she did steal then it should have been handled as a (private) legal matter. That's a lot of money.

Malisa
10th October 2020, 02:03
Kevin Moore even talked to Emile Wolf's own son, who said that his father has never been to Ghana and that he has never even heard of anyone named Bill Ryan or anyone named Ryan.
In the video then they talked about how the FBI could not find any traces of Bill Ryan and that it looked like he was covering his tracks. That seemed suspicious to me.
Whether or not Maya Picasso's statement proves that it is a fake or not, the fact that she wasn't able to authenticate it still casts doubt on the paintings authenticity. And I am quite sure that she is an authority on the work of her fathers, and she is probably tasked regularly on it.
You can believe him and his word all you want, but there is certainly a level of doubt that remains. I can't say that I believe him with this level of doubt and uncertainty.



The facts that were presented were already presented to a US court, and they already made their ruling. They even know that he had someone authenticate the paining, and yet they still made their ruling against him. The court doesn't seem like they were able to authenticate the painting. Bill could have even fought it it in court if he really wanted to.


Maybe it is funny. But it is not funny to Lisa, the art dealer.
There are numerous of those who have been "kicked in the butt out of Avalon".


It's so odd that you continue to attack someone who doesn't care anything about you, or even remembers you at all

Your ego got hit bad, weren't you the one who bragged to me on ATS about how Bill Ryan was talking to you and how he was way smarter and Avalon was a great place, compared to ATS?

And once you got booted you started ackting like a butt hurt kid and continued to do for more than a year now? When are you going to grow up?

All your words are meaningless, and forgettable, due to your own attitude, and you are not 17 anymore, so you can't play that game as you like so much

Why did you delete your new Twitter account after posting about this exact same topic? It was the only post you made, are you so desperate and full of hate you created an account just to post about this sketch issue?


There are two facts around this, both related to you:

1. This continuing repeat of yourself gets boring real fast, way too much
2. You hate Bill Ryan and lack the proper way to act classy around it, so you just show up as this person you proved yourself to be way too many times

Also:

P.S.

The US court is not the court of the world, and it has never been proven either way, so saying "he owes some money" without a fair trial, is just crap talking. Just the kind you like the most, so it seems

Incredible enough for you, an US judge would consider your own words useless and meaningless

Gio
12th October 2020, 22:33
Pablo Picasso ...


https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fbig.assets.huffingtonpost.com%2Fpa blo-picassogunnn.gif&f=1&nofb=1

♪ Such a dirty mind...
Always get it up for the touch
of the younger kind ♪

My Sharona


The Knack


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR2JtsVumFA

♪ Come a little closer huh, ah will ya huh.
Close enough to look in my eyes, Sharona ♪

Gio
12th October 2020, 22:48
Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
Sure, Bill would have told the (then) mods about it, but from what I know now, I think it was rather former Project Avalon administrator Paul Jackson who set that whole campaign in motion.



It's not really my business, but if she did steal then it should have been handled as a (private) legal matter. That's a lot of money.

You are absolutely correct ...

And in which Bill should have never permitted his/hers private/marital affairs to have been allowed to be injected as a topic on his forum.

Enough said .

Dreamtimer
13th October 2020, 12:11
Bill seems to be increasingly motivated by the force of the Qult. Which is nearly out of his control. And from what I've seen, he nearly lost control of his forum. I think he's making proverbial deals with the devil to keep things running (by acceding to the Q forces). But that's just my opinion. I don't know him and I'm not a member and never have been.

Gio
13th October 2020, 16:18
Bill seems to be increasingly motivated by the force of the Qult. Which is nearly out of his control. And from what I've seen, he nearly lost control of his forum. I think he's making proverbial deals with the devil to keep things running (by acceding to the Q forces). But that's just my opinion. I don't know him and I'm not a member and never have been.

Peculiar at this particularly crucial point, one could suggest by once again opening the flood gates to the Alt-right conspiratorial forces, Bill is actually aiding (and abetting) with his forum's Q support to the possible re-election of Donald Trump ...


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Aragorn
13th October 2020, 22:27
Bill seems to be increasingly motivated by the force of the Qult. Which is nearly out of his control. And from what I've seen, he nearly lost control of his forum. I think he's making proverbial deals with the devil to keep things running (by acceding to the Q forces). But that's just my opinion. I don't know him and I'm not a member and never have been.

That's an astute observation, and I agree.





Peculiar at this particularly crucial point, one could suggest by once again opening the flood gates to the Alt-right conspiratorial forces, Bill is actually aiding (and abetting) with his forum's Q support to the possible re-election of Donald Trump ...

I don't know how large Project Avalon's impact would be in that regard, considering that we're still talking of a venue that more or less makes up for a niche among the social media ─ as does The One Truth, for that matter ─ but it is a fact Bill himself has stated on multiple occasions, both in and outside of the Project Avalon mod room, that he supports Donald Trump. And he supports him for all the wrong reasons too, i.e. he sees Donald Trump as an enemy of the political establishment, and he's turning a blind eye to Trump's obvious incompetence and narcissism, and his contribution to a culture of extremists ready to start a second civil war.

The addition of the words "... where all lives matter..." to the Project Avalon banner illustrates this very clearly. It is an obvious response to the name of the Black Lives Matter movement, but a very puerile one. The Black Lives Matter movement did not choose their name so as to make the statement that white lives do not matter, or that black lives matter more than white lives. They chose that name in response to an acute systemic racism in the United States ─ there are other nations with similarly acute systemic racism issues, albeit not necessarily against people with an ethnicity of African descent, cfr. the systemic racism against Palestinians by the state of Israel.

It's like having a "Save the whales!" sticker on the bumper of your car. It doesn't mean "I hate chickens." It means that whales are an endangered species, while chickens obviously are not. By consequence, coming back to the Black Lives Matter movement with the slogan "All lives matter" is intellectually dishonest and insulting, in my humble opinion.

:noidea:

Chuckie
13th October 2020, 22:31
that's easy for you to say Aragorn, i noticed you didn't include Blue Chickens in the above post...

Dreamtimer
13th October 2020, 22:45
Blue Chickens, lol.

I hadn't seen the 'all lives matter' change yet. Bill's not even an American. I'm not sure what it is he thinks he understands so well. I wonder how many poor black Americans he has interviewed.

Methinks he needs to talk to some folks who have experienced first-hand the very unique experience of being a black American.

Malisa
13th October 2020, 23:18
That's an astute observation, and I agree.






I don't know how large Project Avalon's impact would be in that regard, considering that we're still talking of a venue that more or less makes up for a niche among the social media ─ as does The One Truth, for that matter ─ but it is a fact Bill himself has stated on multiple occasions, both in and outside of the Project Avalon mod room, that he supports Donald Trump. And he supports him for all the wrong reasons too, i.e. he sees Donald Trump as an enemy of the political establishment, and he's turning a blind eye to Trump's obvious incompetence and narcissism, and his contribution to a culture of extremists ready to start a second civil war.

The addition of the words "... where all lives matter..." to the Project Avalon banner illustrates this very clearly. It is an obvious response to the name of the Black Lives Matter movement, but a very puerile one. The Black Lives Matter movement did not choose their name so as to make the statement that white lives do not matter, or that black lives matter more than white lives. They chose that name in response to an acute systemic racism in the United States ─ there are other nations with similarly acute systemic racism issues, albeit not necessarily against people with an ethnicity of African descent, cfr. the systemic racism against Palestinians by the state of Israel.

It's like having a "Save the whales!" sticker on the bumper of your car. It doesn't mean "I hate chickens." It means that whales are an endangered species, while chickens obviously are not. By consequence, coming back to the Black Lives Matter movement with the slogan "All lives matter" is intellectually dishonest and insulting, in my humble opinion.

:noidea:



The Black Lives Matter movement did not choose their name so as to make the statement that white lives do not matter, or that black lives matter more than white lives


As someone who has a Russian-American sister, who totally looks blonde and an "American bimbo", i can tell that a lot of people who would otherwise treat white persons in a normal way, would reject her so bad that made her cry with bullying and plenty other things, back when she was 11/13. And tons of those people were actually not "white"

So don't know, it did seem at that time, that black lives mattered more than her whiteness, and her "whiteness" mattered less than the normal "American" whiteness

Even with her green eyes, her blond hair, her natural white skin, she was not just "part" of the team, once she spoke with Russian southern accent

The reality of the US is that it has completely gone to waste at this time, and the remaining people who can figure out why or how it could be fixed, won't be listened anymore

Chuckie
13th October 2020, 23:29
that's sad, Malisa, I suspect it was many of the same people that have Trump DNA ... it's a complicated picture ... the very bottom line is that every human being should be treated with dignity and respect. If one is not, they will beget another that carries the same scars and anger. Mistreat anyone and the ever widening circle of dysfunction won't stop ... ever. At its genesis it is not a matter of anything beyond a need to be kind. I've been laughed at for saying that (On these alt-forums) because it is so simple-minded. If it is so simple why do so many not understand it.

Aragorn
14th October 2020, 00:12
As someone who has a Russian-American sister, who totally looks blonde and an "American bimbo", i can tell that a lot of people who would otherwise treat white persons in a normal way, would reject her so bad that made her cry with bullying and plenty other things, back when she was 11/13. And tons of those people were actually not "white"

So don't know, it did seem at that time, that black lives mattered more than her whiteness, and her "whiteness" mattered less than the normal "American" whiteness

Even with her green eyes, her blond hair, her natural white skin, she was not just "part" of the team, once she spoke with Russian southern accent

The reality of the US is that it has completely gone to waste at this time, and the remaining people who can figure out why or how it could be fixed, won't be listened anymore

Well, now we're at the core of the issue. It isn't even a matter of skin tone ─ and by the way, many Latin-Americans are subjected to the same kind of discrimination ─ but of a deranged nationalistic culture of (white) American Exceptionalism, fed with incessant covert and not-so-covert supremacist propaganda via the same mainstream media corporations as what control the US political establishment, and through it, the US education system, all of which has now culminated into a society on the brink of civil war.

Evil begets evil, and the entities responsible for this deranged culture are now going to have their karma handed to them on a silver platter, regardless of who wins the 2020 US elections. That's not even relevant anymore at this point, because both candidates are abominable ─ the reincarnation of Benito Mussolini versus a senile old man who represents the corporate US hegemony. But that's off-topic for this thread, and I'd really like to keep US politics out of this one for a change.

Malisa
14th October 2020, 00:54
Well, now we're at the core of the issue. It isn't even a matter of skin tone ─ and by the way, many Latin-Americans are subjected to the same kind of discrimination ─ but of a deranged nationalistic culture of (white) American Exceptionalism, fed with incessant covert and not-so-covert supremacist propaganda via the same mainstream media corporations as what control the US political establishment, and through it, the US education system, all of which has now culminated into a society on the brink of civil war.

Evil begets evil, and the entities responsible for this deranged culture are now going to have their karma handed to them on a silver platter, regardless of who wins the 2020 US elections. That's not even relevant anymore at this point, because both candidates are abominable ─ the reincarnation of Benito Mussolini versus a senile old man who represents the corporate US hegemony. But that's off-topic for this thread, and I'd really like to keep US politics out of this one for a change.



Yes, i forgot this wasn't about it, it just turned that way, i suppose we can just say "today's a new day" but it also applies to the entire topic at this time. Most people who posted here at one time came with grudges :) It does seem like just how i had mine against the US, most people did the same against Bill Ryan LOL, the entire thread is based on people with that kind of feelings, doesn't it?

Octopus Garden
14th October 2020, 01:01
Bill, like many people, has an irrational fear of "Communism." China is clearly a corporatocracy -- a fascist dictatorship, as is Russia. So who does that leave to quietly take over, infiltrate society and defeat the marriage of the mega-corporations to government?

Kids with zero money riding around on skateboards throwing rocks? How about transgendered Marxists? There may be close to 100 in Canada. They're obviously a threat, as are their progressive parents who force them to take drugs to delay puberty, so they can transition more easily.:rolleyes:

No, it's black people agitating for humane treatment. God knows they are slowly taking over, what with all of their money and power. They're the ones who are really giving Communist infiltrators a foothold, wherever they push their bullshit that their lives actually...matter.:rolleyes:

Octopus Garden
14th October 2020, 01:06
Malisa,

Some people have had past grudges with Bill Ryan, but most here don't. I don't agree with him on some vital issues--but I like him very much as a human being. I feel he is generally kind, super intelligent and generally honest. It is frustrating more than anything that he, like so many people and for various reasons, have drunk the hard right koolaide.

Malisa
14th October 2020, 01:23
Bill, like many people, has an irrational fear of "Communism." China is clearly a corporatocracy -- a fascist dictatorship, as is Russia. So who does that leave to quietly take over, infiltrate society and defeat the marriage of the mega-corporations to government?

Kids with zero money riding around on skateboards throwing rocks? How about transgendered Marxists? There may be close to 100 in Canada. They're obviously a threat, as are their progressive parents who force them to take drugs to delay puberty, so they can transition more easily.:rolleyes:

No, it's black people agitating for humane treatment. God knows they are slowly taking over, what with all of their money and power. They're the ones who are really giving Communist infiltrators a foothold, wherever they push their bullshit that their lives actually...matter.:rolleyes:

Does he?

He seems to like me very much, seeing as i'm Russian oligarchy (as far as the ridiculous US rules say so) i have never seen him hating me about that?

Who knows, but i do tend to think that he has way more things going on than that

Aragorn
14th October 2020, 02:02
Bill, like many people, has an irrational fear of "Communism."

Does he?

He seems to like me very much, seeing as i'm Russian oligarchy (as far as the ridiculous US rules say so) i have never seen him hating me about that?

Who knows, but i do tend to think that he has way more things going on than that

Bill is way too intelligent to indulge in the vilification of an entire population. He always treats every person as an individual, and he'll also always try to approach everyone with equal amounts of respect.

Malisa
14th October 2020, 02:10
Bill is way too intelligent to indulge in the vilification of an entire population. He always treats every person as an individual, and he'll also always try to approach everyone with equal amounts of respect.

So do you, since you accepted my friendship in the same way, and all moderators as well

So, the idea that he has some things going on beyond that are ridiculous because i am the very proof of it not being true

Gio
14th October 2020, 02:20
Well ...

Apparently from these recent post, Bill is an all around nice guy ...

Can anyone here provide an actual bio for this semi-public personage ...

You know, place and date of birth, schooling (degrees), past employments, etc etc ...

PS ~ also the same regarding for Kerry Cassidy?

Aragorn
14th October 2020, 02:57
Well ...

Apparently from these recent post, Bill is an all around nice guy ...

Can anyone here provide an actual bio for this semi-public personage ...

You know, place and date of birth, schooling (degrees), past employments, etc etc ...

PS ~ also the same regarding for Kerry Cassidy?

Without looking up on the details, and thus off the top of my head... Bill Ryan was born in 1953 ─ I'm not sure on the exact date anymore, but it is no secret to the Project Avalon members, because someone will always start a birthday thread for him. He was born in London, from a Canadian father and a British mother ─ his mother was an artist. For the first nine or ten years of his life, he grew up in Ghana. He studied mathematics and became a teacher. Later on he became a professional team-builder who was hired as a freelancer by companies. He has been married only once, to Christine Anderson. He is also a mountaineer, he's a member of Ron's Org, which is a Scientology organization not affiliated with the actual Church of Scientology, and he currently lives all alone in Ecuador with his dog Mara.

As for Kerry Lynn Cassidy, I know far less, although she did talk about her earlier life somewhat in various interviews. I think she's originally from California but currently living in Arizona (I believe). She's approximately 54 years old right now. She studied and graduated as a filmmaker, and she has been employed at JPL, where according to her own recount, she didn't actually have to do anything other than be there, which she found suspicious ─ and it is. She too has been married only once, to the musician who wrote and produced the theme music for her videos ─ Rick something. She has no children.

Gio
14th October 2020, 03:22
Thanks Aragorn,

I was aware of this info, but appreciate your input ...
He has had a limited ongoing -bio at PC (http://projectavalon.net/lang/en/bill_ryan.html)for a while ...

I remember years back when Bill asked (via a thread) the PA membership
advice in creating a Wiki page, you know the how to thingy ...
And i remember reminding him, others in the public
domain could/might also add as well ...
Apparently he passed on that one ... :blink:

Aragorn
14th October 2020, 03:45
Thanks Aragorn,

I was aware of this info, but appreciate your input ...
He has had a limited ongoing -bio at PC (http://projectavalon.net/lang/en/bill_ryan.html)for a while ...

Kerry Cassidy had a Facebook page at the time ─ I'm talking of, oh, more than ten years ago ─ but there wasn't much on there that I remember, and she wasn't even actively monitoring it. :unsure:

donk
14th October 2020, 04:42
Even though I have not looked at the pertinent discussions in the Project Avalon mod room regarding that subject ─ if there even are any records of that ─ and with the disclaimer that the regular mods chat was still on Skype in those days, instead of on Discord as it is now, I'm not so sure that Bill himself would have been behind that shaming campaign. Sure, Bill would have told the (then) mods about it, but from what I know now, I think it was rather former Project Avalon administrator Paul Jackson who set that whole campaign in motion.

It was either way before my time as a staff member over there, so I cannot make any authoritative statements in that regard, and I won't. :noidea:

That had nothing to do with staff or mod rooms, he explicitly rallied his base attacking her openly on the forum.
So if ya really missed that, it was at the time when LRon lovers were emboldened by BR’s support like the trumpers seem to be now, you don’t member dat?

Aragorn
14th October 2020, 04:48
Even though I have not looked at the pertinent discussions in the Project Avalon mod room regarding that subject ─ if there even are any records of that ─ and with the disclaimer that the regular mods chat was still on Skype in those days, instead of on Discord as it is now, I'm not so sure that Bill himself would have been behind that shaming campaign. Sure, Bill would have told the (then) mods about it, but from what I know now, I think it was rather former Project Avalon administrator Paul Jackson who set that whole campaign in motion.

It was either way before my time as a staff member over there, so I cannot make any authoritative statements in that regard, and I won't. :noidea:

That had nothing to do with staff or mod rooms, he explicitly rallied his base attacking her openly on the forum.
So if ya really missed that, it was at the time when LRon lovers were emboldened by BR’s support like the trumpers seem to be now, you don’t member dat?

To be honest, no, I don't remember that, because I wasn't paying much attention to what was going on at Project Avalon at that point in time. All I remember about it is that it was somewhere in 2016, and at that point in time, my account over there was still on the naughty list. So I never really monitored that situation from up close. :noidea:

Lord Sidious
14th October 2020, 05:19
Bill is way too intelligent to indulge in the vilification of an entire population. He always treats every person as an individual, and he'll also always try to approach everyone with equal amounts of respect.

Erm, no.
One of my most infamous moments was taking him to task over doing exactly that about all white australians, for things the brits were mainly responsible for.
I had something like 75% of the active members on my case for 24 hours straight and bill would never admit he was wrong.


So, the idea that he has some things going on beyond that are ridiculous because i am the very proof of it not being true

You have no idea.
There used to be so much more going on that what you see on the forum.
Much of what you say is only surface observation.

Gio
14th October 2020, 07:54
As the saying goes LS ...

It is what it is ...

Like the many that have witnessed and lived the PA experience over the past decade of years plus... The reality was, the forum was Bill's in name only ... He had/has quietly feasted and lived off the energy of the regular members continuous posting contributions, but personally garnished all the forum's financial donations as a personal benefit - I'm doubting if any taxes were ever collected on these sums over the years ...

While regular members, moderator, administrators, were coming and going after each of his many infamous forum fiascos over the years ... Fascinatingly it always seemed to leave an ongoing forum base of deniers (some obviously cultist), to jump at and fill in the ranks for Bill to continuously move on and live off the energy of (especially from his association to) the Original PA forum and Project Camelot video interview glory days.

Even now (as of yesterday), his take on things (as always) appears to admonish himself from any responsibility for his past personal behavior (s) and actions within the Alt community itself ... Deflecting any blame (as usual) to every and anyone but himself within the community.

I find it kind of ironic, that it took Bill ten years (2008-2018) to get around to finally coming up with this thread idea ... Perhaps he needed that (extra) time to consume and ingest all his collective forum/shared information - analyzing it all, and now finally communicating willfully with the members and guest there ... Noting because he never shared in this open way during the forum's previous years.



Bill Ryan's personal Question-and-Answer thread. Pile it on. :)


Bill Ryan answering to one of his multiple butt kissers ... (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104824-Bill-Ryan-s-personal-Question-and-Answer-thread.-Pile-it-on.--&p=1383219&viewfull=1#post1383219)

I'm pretty disgusted with the dog-eat-dog mêlée that is now the so-called 'alternative media'. I see more and more parallels with the mainstream, as greed, cheap entertainment, monetization, paywalls, ego, manipulation, toxicity, drama, sleaze, competition and fakery all slowly grow and grow and grow. It's not everywhere, but there's a lot of it now.

I've posted several times that there's a kind of Stockholm Syndrome at play here, that I've not heard anyone else ever comment on. By that, I refer to the known phenomenon in which a kidnapped person, held prisoner by an authoritarian controlling group, sometimes flips to adopt the very same values as their powerful captors.

The alt media has adopted the values of the mainstream, in just the same way. Much of the alt media is a cheap copy of CNN or Fox, complete with commercials. The content is different, but the copied style is very often just the same.

It makes the days of Project Camelot, founded 14 years ago, seem like a naive simple playground in comparison. So to get to the question, I'm really not very motivated to go to the trouble to dive back into the alternative swamp.

In the last several years I feel I've grown quite a lot, in the sense that it's no longer important for me in any ego-sense to be working hard to yell at thousands of people through some virtual bullhorn. I know what I know, I understand what I understand, my values are my values, and I'm personally very comfortable and rock solid with all that.

A few people may listen to what I have to share, which I appreciate. I'm not trying to be famous, to get rich, to prove anything, or to compete. I do my own internal work, and I know that I make a difference, and have definitely done so.

I know exactly what I've done in my life, which is really quite a lot. I'm 100% definitely nowhere near the end of this incarnation! But I know I've already way more than lived the life of most other people, whatever field they're in, and that generates its own peace and satisfaction.

A worthy note ...

The Project (s) might not have ever reached the big time (Ancient Aliens, Ghost Hunters etc. etc.), but Bill and Kerry have continued to muddle a way through their own conspiracy world's never ending chaos ... :smile2:

Chuckie
14th October 2020, 10:27
She studied and graduated as a filmmaker, and she has been employed at JPL, where according to her own recount, she didn't actually have to do anything other than be there, which she found suspicious ─ and it is. She too has been married only once, to the musician who wrote and produced the theme music for her videos ─ Rick something. She has no children.

Funny NASA, among insiders is called a white collar work program ... which it is. Things and changes happen very slowly in the environment. After the retirement of the Space Shuttle people were shuffled around, traded badges etcetera to keep the budget money flowing. A guy moved in to the neighborhood into the cube next to me, he was handed a laptop and left to his own devices. He was there for about 3 months before he was laid off. In that time I never saw the guy open the machine even once. Absolutely not opened even once in 3 months, it was hilarious.

Dreamtimer
14th October 2020, 10:37
Bill needs to keep what he has going. He needs the energy and membership of his forum so he needs to let the Qult have its power, imo. And he needs to draw in members, which will happen with the Q stuff in the forefront and out in the open. But his membership will change and he may be inviting a beast which will overpower him.

I don't personally believe that giving 'equal time' to the most extreme elements is in any way a good idea. But with the threads out in the open now, potential new members do have a better idea of what they're jumping into.

So more Cultists will come and truth seekers who don't toe the line will be driven out.

I predict the character of the forum will change dramatically.

Chuckie
14th October 2020, 10:54
I got into a discussion with my next door neighbor regarding the golden one. He is from Venezuela and his wife is from Ecuador. He is vociferously anti-socialism because he believes his country was ruined by Cuban infiltration. He is an 'undecided' golden one voter. I told him he won a point from me for being 'undecided'. I think I showed him the light regarding the golden one's 'strength' in opposing socialism. I stated that the only motivation underlying actions are self-serving and he agreed.

He has a familial hegelian-dialectic going with him the thesis of anti-socialism, his wife the antithesis and his children the synthesis. The point here is that Ecuador may be a country that is liberal in nature. Ex-pats find their communities but I wonder how 'comfortable' Bill is living in the world he does. My question is do ex-pats tend to the 'libertarian' philosophy?

I agree with Gio's analysis of PA and Bill Ryan. It's a mish mash of the idealogue and mostly senseless. No real rhythm that represents a coherent integrated thinking process. Bill, I believe has always played both sides against the middle while tending to the negative. Why is anyone's guess, but it would be easy to suggest it was for personal gain.

His test questions suggest the motivation is to change the world for the better but I've never seen a concerted effort to do any such thing, rather just the opposite in fact. He does keep track of his people. When I asked to be given another chance, he was fully aware of my history there. He knows what he wants to happen on the forum.

In terms of the neverending parade of sycophants, I would liken it to property owners, specifically apartment properties in Texas. There are victims born everyday, fodder for the money machine.

Octopus Garden
14th October 2020, 21:50
Does he?

He seems to like me very much, seeing as i'm Russian oligarchy (as far as the ridiculous US rules say so) i have never seen him hating me about that?

Who knows, but i do tend to think that he has way more things going on than that

Malisa, Your response is confusing. He obviously doesn't think you're a Communist. For that matter, he probably doesn't think Russia is Communist or China either. That was the point of my post. Where are all these scary Communist monsters? He has copied and pasted at least one wild ass thing about how Communists infiltrate societies. That idea supports PA assumption that BLM is a dangerous Marxist plot and that anti-fa are of the same ilk. And of course these Marxist's ultimate goal is world domination.

I figure even if they were all Marxists, they have so little power it's zero concern.

He believes what he says. It's not nefarious, underhanded or manipulative. It's just wrong and he has irritated a huge percentage of people right off the forum because he doesn't seem to get that this line of thinking can lead to real world violence and unecessary civil unrest. If he does get that and still supports it, knowing that, it's a shame.

Most citizens on the right and left want the same thing, ironically. The answer is progressive politics, not a two party duopoly presided over by dinosaurs pointing fingers at each other, screaming, "witch, witch."

Wind
14th October 2020, 22:11
I predict the character of the forum will change dramatically.

Oh, it already has. What keeps me there are the good people, but political threads have turned sour a long time ago and certain people have left or are staying quiet for various reasons. Like my friend Aragorn, I barely feel like expressing my opinions about the political stuff there anymore. I tend to stick to the spiritual stuff as it's my forte anyways. Sure I'll take a look every now and then at the political and conspiracy-madness fumed threads, but what I see is disheartening and at times quite worrysome too.

I see people operating on a quite narrow band of consciousness which is low-vibrational too, it's revolving around the tribal and survival mentality, fear being one of the key words. That's quite far away from the intellect let alone the heart-spaced wisdom and I'm not judging, I'm observing. Unfortunately it is way too easy to hypnotize masses of people and get them buy into all kinds of theories and movements.

Malisa
15th October 2020, 03:08
The problem with this kind of stuff is that it's basic perception from each one's point of view

You may have seen stuff i have not, or interpreted in a way that goes against your beliefs. I have not seen anything that would cause me to reject Bill Ryan, or Avalon. I could even say that by some of the stuff i did in the past months, i would have been banned any other place, yet i wasn't and i had a lot of support from them, even way more than my own family, to be clear and honest.

This also happened "behind the scenes" so who would know if i don't say it?

The way this is going, it's like asking other people to reconsider their views based on something they have not seen, but other people did, or interpreted as a bad thing. Like blind fate, otherwise, if you speak about it, there must be some evidence, because just saying "i know stuff happened" and then not showing the "why/how/what" leads into a bad road

I got reminded of this lol:

"I don't like sand politics. It's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere. Not like here. Here everything is soft and smooth."

LOL

modwiz
15th October 2020, 05:41
:yawn:

Lord Sidious
15th October 2020, 05:49
The problem with this kind of stuff is that it's basic perception from each one's point of view

You may have seen stuff i have not, or interpreted in a way that goes against your beliefs. I have not seen anything that would cause me to reject Bill Ryan, or Avalon. I could even say that by some of the stuff i did in the past months, i would have been banned any other place, yet i wasn't and i had a lot of support from them, even way more than my own family, to be clear and honest.

This also happened "behind the scenes" so who would know if i don't say it?

The way this is going, it's like asking other people to reconsider their views based on something they have not seen, but other people did, or interpreted as a bad thing. Like blind fate, otherwise, if you speak about it, there must be some evidence, because just saying "i know stuff happened" and then not showing the "why/how/what" leads into a bad road

I got reminded of this lol:

"I don't like sand politics. It's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere. Not like here. Here everything is soft and smooth."

LOL

Go and read the threads about Charles/Atticus/Stephen and the 18, with all the crazy shit that went on at that time.
How can I explain months and months of discussion in a private section of the forum? And PM's from bill, moderators and others?
My point is, there's far more to that forum and the membership than you know............

modwiz
15th October 2020, 06:09
Go and read the threads about Charles/Atticus/Stephen and the 18, with all the crazy shit that went on at that time.
How can I explain months and months of discussion in a private section of the forum? And PM's from bill, moderators and others?
My point is, there's far more to that forum and the membership than you know............

If they only knew and experienced what we did, M'lord. We were deep into the 'backroom' stuff.

It was what it was. Lots of garbage and 'leaders'.

Bunch of clowns.

Yes, Lord Sid and myself were part of the Atticus 18. An 'elite' group of people approved by "Atticus'. Lord Sid was first to get booted, for being honest. I was not far behind him. I have no grievance with the man, Charles/Atticus. We did not fit together and parted as friends. Never spoken a negative word about him.

What I know is my business and I honor confidentiality when it does not protect bad actors. Charles/Atticus/Stephen was never a bad actor in any sense of the word. He was quite a character though.

I hope he is well.

Malisa
15th October 2020, 06:39
:yawn:

That’s exactly how I feel reading all these comments

Dwelling in the past, unable to move forward deep inside, trying to push their feelings about things that no one cares about anymore, being bothered by things that don’t matter at all

So boring and pointless

I have better things to do in life than go read a lot of boring bickering between old mindset people who are uncapable of understanding they will never agree on anything because their mud is not better than the mud being thrown from the other side of the river, even if they think it is because of primal behavior

Meh

sourcetruth
15th October 2020, 07:17
Kevin Moore also adamantly claims that the Project Avalon staff ─ and Bill in particular ─ read the members' private messages. This is a flagrant and bald-faced lie. You need a special vBulletin plugin to be able to do that, and no such a plugin is installed at Project Avalon.

Bill Ryan also made a false claim on the Avalon thread when he claimed that Lisa the art dealer had been compensated by insurance.


Maybe you should ask the FBI how much info they have on a certain woman named Judy, eh?
There's no reason to drag her into this conversation.



It's so odd that you continue to attack someone who doesn't care anything about you, or even remembers you at all

Your ego got hit bad, weren't you the one who bragged to me on ATS about how Bill Ryan was talking to you and how he was way smarter and Avalon was a great place, compared to ATS?

And once you got booted you started acting like a butt hurt kid and continued to do for more than a year now? When are you going to grow up?
There are two facts around this, both related to you:

1. This continuing repeat of yourself gets boring real fast, way too much
2. You hate Bill Ryan and lack the proper way to act classy around it, so you just show up as this person you proved yourself to be way too many times


That's just a negative way of saying that I was upset. With the kind of attitude that you and them have given me, its absolutely justified for me to have been upset by it, and I am not ashamed about how I feel.



Also:

P.S.

The US court is not the court of the world, and it has never been proven either way, so saying "he owes some money" without a fair trial, is just crap talking. Just the kind you like the most, so it seems

Incredible enough for you, an US judge would consider your own words useless and meaningless

The US court doesn't have to be the court of the world in order to make decisions within its own jurisdiction. They have already made that decision, weighing the available information about the case.
What basis do you have to claim what somebody else would think of my words? Just because you don't want to acknowledge any value of my words, doesn't mean that someone else won't.

Aragorn
15th October 2020, 08:26
Kevin Moore also adamantly claims that the Project Avalon staff ─ and Bill in particular ─ read the members' private messages. This is a flagrant and bald-faced lie. You need a special vBulletin plugin to be able to do that, and no such a plugin is installed at Project Avalon.

Kevin Moore can claim all he wants, but he has lost all credibility with me. Bill Ryan on the other hand may have his flaws ─ who doesn't? ─ but his integrity in this matter stands like a house on solid ground, and having been closely involved with all dealings within the Project Avalon mod room as an administrator for about eight months, I can testify first-hand how protective Bill is of his members and their privacy. I also repeat that his story regarding the Picasso drawing and how it came into the possession of his family has never changed. Bill has been both consistent and transparent in that from day one.

Bill Ryan also made a false claim on the Avalon thread when he claimed that Lisa the art dealer had been compensated by insurance.

What Bill said was that it would only be logical if Lisa was indeed compensated by her insurance, and that as far as he knew, she had indeed compensated. He only found out much later that this was not the case.



Maybe you should ask the FBI how much info they have on a certain woman named Judy, eh?

There's no reason to drag her into this conversation.

There is if you're going to maintain double standards. And you do. You're simply pissed off with Bill because no one at Project Avalon took your Quartz Crystal material seriously, and because your subsequent behavior over there eventually got you unsubscribed. You've held a grudge against Bill ever since then, and now you are latching onto the kerfuffle that Kevin Moore started as new fuel for that grudge. And Moore himself also holds a grudge against Bill, because he too was unsubscribed from Project Avalon, because of his grotesque and selfish behavior.

Look man, you can't hide it ─ you're not even trying to hide it ─ and neither can Kevin Moore. I recognize the pattern all too well, because once upon a time I was in your shoes, okay? I too was once banned from Project Avalon, and when I then signed up here and saw other people here bashing Bill, it was all too easy to jump on that bandwagon. And the longer you let that fester, the more it will skew your perception of what's really going on over at Project Avalon.

I've just had eight months behind me as an administrator at Project Avalon. I was either involved with or a direct witness to the discussions in the mod room. I've spoken with Bill on account of several topics. I think I now have a pretty good understanding of what kind of a man he is and what he stands for, and that goes for the other Project Avalon staff members as well. And they're all human beings with flaws and qualities ─ no exception to that rule. I have my differences with Bill on account of the course that Project Avalon should follow with regard to the right-wing extremism that's brooding there, but I still respect the man, and I know that he's trying very hard to be a good human being, even if I don't agree with his choices.

Bill Ryan is not a criminal, and he's not trying to con anybody. He has been transparent and consistent regarding that issue with the Picasso sketch from the first day onward. But shit happens, and sometimes life just deals you a bad hand of cards, even if your intentions are honorable. Something just like that could be happening to you tomorrow, or next year, or maybe ten years from now. Life isn't fair, and I don't think it'll ever be. But it is what it is, so let it rest now. That horse has already long been beaten to death, and Kevin Moore is a cheap shot for digging it up again and then adding some deliberate lies on top.

Lord Sidious
15th October 2020, 12:15
That’s exactly how I feel reading all these comments

Dwelling in the past, unable to move forward deep inside, trying to push their feelings about things that no one cares about anymore, being bothered by things that don’t matter at all

So boring and pointless

I have better things to do in life than go read a lot of boring bickering between old mindset people who are uncapable of understanding they will never agree on anything because their mud is not better than the mud being thrown from the other side of the river, even if they think it is because of primal behavior

Meh

Be very careful of projection, for you speak of someone else, not the Modern Wizard.
I know him very well and he is nothing like that.
However, this post tells me that you're in for a rough ride, as you won't listen to others who went up the road before you.

Chuckie
15th October 2020, 12:20
The natural hook is that 'if one is accepted' then all is well. Not always the case in my experience but it surely does make things much smoother than sand. It provides the latitude of bowing out according to one's own conditions. Another natural hook, one's own auspices is always better than a boot in the ass. :)

Octopus Garden
15th October 2020, 18:58
Am not seeing any Q threads on PA today? So, what is happening there, I wonder.

Gio
15th October 2020, 19:44
Am not seeing any Q threads on PA today? So, what is happening there, I wonder.

No its still public, i believe RunningPaula (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100318-The-Qanon-posts-and-associated-US-political-analysis&p=1383543&viewfull=1#post1383543) just took a toilet break ... :facemask:

Octopus Garden
15th October 2020, 19:51
Okay, There it is, in all it's moronic glory. Just spotted it. Thanks Gio

araucaria
15th October 2020, 20:37
That’s exactly how I feel reading all these comments

Dwelling in the past, unable to move forward deep inside, trying to push their feelings about things that no one cares about anymore, being bothered by things that don’t matter at all

So boring and pointless

I have better things to do in life than go read a lot of boring bickering between old mindset people who are uncapable of understanding they will never agree on anything because their mud is not better than the mud being thrown from the other side of the river, even if they think it is because of primal behavior

Meh

I rarely visit this forum – my apologies, but I’m here now :) – I came, a week after the event, to find out why Aragorn left Avalon.

I see that forum as a local watering-hole. I go there because it’s handy, the beer is OK, and there are few regulars whose company I enjoy. Most of what goes on there is background noise, as it is to anyone present. There are doubtless nicer places to go – just as there are certainly nicer places to go than Planet Earth. Some members here may recall a couple of posts I made on this very thread a few years ago; if you don’t, please don’t bother scrolling back. Let’s just say the beer tasted off and eventually a barmaid was sacked.

However, the subject of this thread is the landlord. Generally a landlord is a genial guy just as long as you steer clear of politics. Aragorn doesn’t like his politics: OK let’s see what can be said on the subject, with zero expectations beyond the intellectual exercise per se. Note that I have made no bones about being a man of the left, and to date I have neither been banned nor seen the need to retire for my views. Others have other experiences: I understand.

For example, when Bill Ryan warmly recommended Daniel Schmachtenberger, I pointed out that Daniel’s thinking and thinking process was Marxist/dialectical. Nothing nasty happened to me. Dialectical thinking adds rigour to one’s thought processes, notably because contradictory – antithetical – ideas are built into the process. This can be seen as a fact-checker function if you will: it keeps you on topic, it keeps you on target, and it keeps you honest. Notice how even in the USA, politics pays lip service to this process, in the shape of a two party system. Except that every 4/8 years you have thesis, then every 4/8 years antithesis, with no synthesis in sight. In the UK this sometimes translates as the right bringing in leftist measures, and the left rightist; but usually it is us versus them.

The problem with politics then is a) a lack of rigorous thinking, b) rejection of the opposition, and c) downright dishonesty. In light of a) and b), downright dishonesty becomes the norm – which is a fair definition of Johnsonism. What I mean by honesty is ‘'grounded truth’ . The concept of truth is groundless, i.e. other-dimensional, whereas honesty is testable e.g. in a court of law. The problem with left-right politics is that it is trumped by issues of integrity. A rightist with integrity will denounce a dishonest/criminal rightist regime. And if one is honest, a leftist with integrity will denounce a dishonest/criminal leftist regime. This is where party politics can break down: honest people, whoever they are, call out dishonesty, regardless of party allegiance.

But a greater issue seems to be American politics: how does it compare with Johnsonism – going beyond the simple (simplistic) equation Trump = Johnson? (Generally speaking, I don’t know enough about American politics to have a valid opinion). I am troubled when northern England Labour voters change their allegiance because, from my standpoint, and for anyone suspicious of the mainstream media message, they are going in the wrong direction. But I am satisfied to see that they are probably doing so with the best motives.

If someone like Bill Ryan – coming relatively late to the game – sees Donald Trump as an asset, then from my standpoint, it would be because Trump is poles apart from Boris Johnson. Meaning that his outer exterior is pure bluff. He projects the persona of a Boris Johnson, but with a totally different – intelligent – agenda. Johnson’s bluff is to create the illusion of reality behind a clown. Trump on the other hand, hiding behind a clown, is for real. In other words he is a double agent. This would indicate that anyone in agreement with his project to ‘drain the swamp’ would refrain from compromising him by proclaiming what he is about. Conversely (and as a consequence!), this would suggest that any misunderstanding about Trump would be due to lack of information.

I don’t think many people are comfortable with the idea of such a level of duplicity in the service of honesty. But they should be, if they accept the notion of ‘honest duplicity’ being fostered by any regime involved in purely defensive espionage against duplicitous enemies. Americans have accepted this for decades with respect to the CIA for example. The logical inference from this is that people choose a side depending on whether or not they see the CIA as an angelic or less than angelic organization. This of course is pure speculation on my part, as I don’t know if such a correlation has ever been attempted.

Let me say that for me American politics is a difficult area, because what passes for the left, i.e. ‘liberalism’, has the same roots as Toryism in the UK. The east coast Ivy League was deliberately based on the methods of Eton-Oxford of the Tory establishment. Historically, the CIA is an offshoot of this elite, although of course it created its own internal opposition. ‘Conspiracy theory’, as a CIA concept, was spawned when two liberal clans, Kennedy and the CIA, came to blows.

I say these things as an unrepentant leftist. I am not about to say that salvation lies in extreme right-wing politics. If Donald Trump is to represent any kind of answer, then it would have to be as a kind of middle-of-the-road honest family man embracing values that the ordinary honest citizen can identify with.

Given that my core skill is in creative writing, what follows is neither a judgement nor an opinion, just a stream of consciousness.
I saw an interview from the 1980s, in which billionaire Trump stated that the role of self-appointed world policeman was draining the US domestic economy of 200 billion a year. On the face of it, this was said in relation to the ordinary American, not in relation to any loss of income for himself and others like him. In other words, he was defending a ‘leftist’ policy from which he has never wavered… Notice the parallel with Communist ‘socialism in one country’. But notice also the internal contradiction (antithesis): ‘socialism in one country’ is a contradiction in terms because socialism of necessity involves the whole of society. The Soviets came to grief on that account.

But if Trump is ‘honest’, has integrity, meaning that the man of the 1980s was mutatis mutandis in line with the man we know today, then that would mean that he has the best interests of his people at heart, which would logically lead to an electoral majority. What is his record so far? As an outsider, I honestly don’t know – zero wars? The total demolition of his adversaries in court would answer this question. This cannot be ruled out – post-election, so everything is up for grabs.

You understand my problem: the ‘Democratic’ ‘left’, corresponding to British Toryism, the Establishment, the stable diet from which an occasional Labour government offers a little light relief, is ‘trumped’ on its right by a little honesty. Joe Public is much more confused than I am. But it is nothing a few independent court cases could not put to rights.

While this is just an Internet post, not a doctoral thesis, some sort of conclusion is required. We know that a correct answer can be reached by correct or incorrect reasoning, and that an incorrect answer can be reached by incorrect or correct reasoning. Here, from the outsider perspective, reasoning is unavoidably inadequate: all anyone can do is to vote, or not, with one’s feet, for honesty. It really doesn’t matter where you are or what you are doing. ON a supposed planet of choice, yes or no, which is it?

Chuckie
15th October 2020, 21:03
This doesn't represent a problem, it represents a fundamental misunderstanding of the Golden One. He has been duplicitous since knee-high to his daddy. He was not being honest decades ago and he is not being honest now. His concern then and now has been his fortune despite the fact that he was not ignorant enough, nor completely matured in his narcisissm, to be stupid enough then to state such. He might have been having a good year way back in the 1980's while his daddy was still protecting him with his own extorted billions. You actually need to research the Golden One's moral trail and you will see clearly that for the 'ordinary' guy it is a trail of tears and doesn't speak well for the avenger of the deep state. Material is readily available, one can start with his wife and niece and then proceed to his sister. It will be an easy leap from there to business partners, media, employees, hapless individuals that were chewed up and spit out for monetary gain and the list goes on. It is clear now that even the most highly trained James Bond counterparts, spies, counterspies, double agents, and the most sophisticated of any other legal arm in civilized society is able to track his money?

Would you really believe that such a depraved moron would be capable of pulling that off for himself? No, he has help, some very deep state knowledgeable types aiding and abetting him for their own ends of course.

Octopus Garden
15th October 2020, 21:30
He has elements of the DIA supporting him. For some reason, people don't get these guys are about as deep as deep state gets. Cambridge Analytica, of which Steve Bannon (an avowed militarist) was a board member is chalk full of former military people. They got the creep elected.

You can look at it this way. If you were military and wanted to stage an overt coup, you would help manipulate into power an unstable ninkempoop who would require a military intervention....eventually. Very loosely speaking, the Dems have their letter agencies but the repuglicans have theirs too. And the repugs are tied to those with all the guns, plus traditional ties to tabloid media, which has segued into alt right online media.

The dinosaurs in both parties deserve each other, but those they manipulate and control don't deserve what is coming. Nobody deserves a military dictatorship.

I should rephrase that. What might be coming. A right wing military dictatorship isn't a sure thing. This is how they get started though.

Dreamtimer
15th October 2020, 23:16
Yikes. I gotta get that island.

Aragorn
16th October 2020, 01:58
I rarely visit this forum – my apologies, but I’m here now :) – I came, a week after the event, to find out why Aragorn left Avalon.

I see that forum as a local watering-hole. I go there because it’s handy, the beer is OK, and there are few regulars whose company I enjoy. Most of what goes on there is background noise, as it is to anyone present. There are doubtless nicer places to go – just as there are certainly nicer places to go than Planet Earth. Some members here may recall a couple of posts I made on this very thread a few years ago; if you don’t, please don’t bother scrolling back. Let’s just say the beer tasted off and eventually a barmaid was sacked.

However, the subject of this thread is the landlord. Generally a landlord is a genial guy just as long as you steer clear of politics. Aragorn doesn’t like his politics: OK let’s see what can be said on the subject, with zero expectations beyond the intellectual exercise per se. Note that I have made no bones about being a man of the left, and to date I have neither been banned nor seen the need to retire for my views. Others have other experiences: I understand.

Just for the record, I don't really have a problem with the fact that Bill supports Donald Trump, because I know why Bill believes that Trump would be the better choice. I think that Bill is being naive in this matter, and that, in this naiveté, Bill has also completely forgotten that there are still alternatives beside the US Democrats and the US Republicans.

Bill's motivation for supporting Donald Trump is not driven by what Trump truly stands for ─ i.e. nationalism, corporatism and both personal and cultural narcissism. No, Bill supports Donald Trump because he believes that the alternative would be even worse, because Joe Biden is after all a candidate from within the corrupt corporatist-globalist establishment.

So Bill's outspoken support for Trump, even if I don't agree with him in that, was definitely not why I left Project Avalon. There were several different reasons why I left, but I guess you could say that most of them boil down to the insanity of a very vocal group of members ─ some of whom are quite arrogant, others are quite disdainful and cynical, and yet others are blinded by a frothing hatred for anything perceived as left-wing. Just as Joseph McCarthy would have wanted it.

A large contingent of these people has been completely hypnotized by Donald Trump and the Q phenomenon, and they are embracing fascism without knowing that they are, because they don't even understand what fascism really is, just as they don't understand what socialism is.

Another contingent exhibits Pavlovian knee-jerk reactions on account of anything mainstream, in favor of both unproven and disproven pseudoscience. Among other things, we're talking of incessant Covid-19 denial, paranoia regarding 5G, the belief that autism would be caused by vaccines ─ coupled to the vehement defense of Andrew Wakefield, who was barred from every practising medicine again ─ and more anti-truth.

There is a significant overlap between both of these contingents ─ albeit that it's not a one-on-one match ─ and there is most definitely intellectual dishonesty among the both of them. If you present them with the facts, then it's like you're suddenly speaking another language and they can't understand a single word you're saying, with as a result that they'll simply flat-out ignore what you just said.

What makes everything worse, however, is that Bill is protective of both of these groups of people and has as such allowed Project Avalon to degrade into merely an echo chamber for the alt-right and the truth-deniers. Yes, when it comes to hard science, Bill still puts his foot down, and in the battle against the Covid-19 deniers, we stood side by side as hard-scientists. But that is not enough, and it backfired, because then we got to see reactions from members who couldn't tell our personal opinions and knowledge apart from the Project Avalon leadership and "party line". Anything we said was interpreted as an almost dictatorial intervention on account of the members' freedom of speech.

There were a couple of other reasons as well on account of why I had to leave Project Avalon, among which (but not limited to) the fact that I was still suffering from a second Covid-19 infection ─ which, like the first time around, has long-term consequences that I'm still battling with ─ and the fact that I'm a very busy man. I'm also still the administrator here, and I'm a moderator at the Manjaro Linux forum. But the most significant factor in my decision to leave Project Avalon was without any doubt the amount of lunacy from those two very vocal and entitled contingents, and the fact that Bill is allowing these people to bring down the quality of Project Avalon.

I was literally feeling embarrassed to still be a member there, let alone a staff member, and I've told Bill. It all became too much to bear, and something had to give. It had been brooding in my mind for quite some time already, and it was a serene discussion in the Project Avalon mod room ─ not an argue, but a very serious and somewhat intense discussion ─ that prompted me to bite the bullet and leave.

But that said, I don't hold any grudges against Bill. In fact, I sent him an interesting article regarding Covid-19 ─ which I've posted on a pertinent thread here ─ via email only yesterday, and he posted it as a new thread at Project Avalon, crediting me in the process. So it's not like we're not on speaking terms anymore. We parted as friends, and I still respect the man. But it was obvious that I, being who I am, don't belong at Project Avalon.

So there you have it. :unsure:

Malisa
16th October 2020, 06:36
But that said, I don't hold any grudges against Bill. In fact, I sent him an interesting article regarding Covid-19 ─ which I've posted on a pertinent thread here ─ via email only yesterday, and he posted it as a new thread at Project Avalon, crediting me in the process. So it's not like we're not on speaking terms anymore. We parted as friends, and I still respect the man. But it was obvious that I, being who I am, don't belong at Project Avalon.


And this is exactly how i believe it should be, not keep going on and on over things that already happend and can't be changed, but move forward and don't focus on the past or irrelevant things

Personally, if something doesn't affect me, i can look at it but not get all twisted over it, and that's true for most that happens, and just moving forward if you feel you are not happy is the best way to go. But not to keep going for years with a hidden grudge while pretending is not there, i found that not very honest and a complete waste of time, because it will never change anything around you or anyone else, it just completely wastes the person

But anyways, everyone is entitled to their opinion and perception, no time to lose trying to explain

I'm just glad you are doing better, even if it's very hard to get through <3


Bill Ryan also made a false claim on the Avalon thread when he claimed that Lisa the art dealer had been compensated by insurance.


There's no reason to drag her into this conversation.




That's just a negative way of saying that I was upset. With the kind of attitude that you and them have given me, its absolutely justified for me to have been upset by it, and I am not ashamed about how I feel.



The US court doesn't have to be the court of the world in order to make decisions within its own jurisdiction. They have already made that decision, weighing the available information about the case.
What basis do you have to claim what somebody else would think of my words? Just because you don't want to acknowledge any value of my words, doesn't mean that someone else won't.

You could write a book about all the things that go through your head, and it would still be meaningless and forgettable due to your own past

You hold a terrible grudge against Bill Ryan because he removed you from Avalon, due to your own actions

You believe the entire world, and all the people on it are produced by your own brain, you think you are a God figure for imaginary humans with no souls

And somehow you want to talk to us, the "imaginary humans". are you even capable of understanding your own issue around this broken concept? By your own standards and broken teachings and knowledge, Bill Ryan doesn't exist beyond an avatar, yet you are so broken by his rejection you have kept your grudge for more than a year now and continually attack him. Such a God you are

All you say is not acceptable due to this, it comes from the wrong place, every single time

Gio
16th October 2020, 07:09
"I was literally feeling embarrassed to still be a member there" ...


https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fthumbs.dreamstime.com%2Fb%2Fscien tology-building-hollywood-boulevard-los-angeles-los-angeles-california-april-93902903.jpg&f=1&nofb=1

When one man's religion is another man's watering hole ...

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Flockerroom.johnlocke.org%2Fapp%2F uploads%2F2018%2F12%2Fjack-bar-no-drink.gif&f=1&nofb=1

So there you have it.

Malisa
16th October 2020, 07:33
Be very careful of projection, for you speak of someone else, not the Modern Wizard.
I know him very well and he is nothing like that.
However, this post tells me that you're in for a rough ride, as you won't listen to others who went up the road before you.

Oh i don't necesarily have to listen and follow every single person who has been here on this planet before me, if that were the case i would be more crazy than i am already

Assuming that because someone is older or "more experienced" they know better, is going the wrong way about life

I'm not in for any rough ride, i already went through that one way before i came here. Trust me, a few posts here and there are not going to change reality for me. I'm going through way worse than egos being hit on the internet. If someone gets hurt by something someone else posted on the internet, they have bigger issues to deal with. And i can tell you i have done and went through things that most people can't deal with, i just don't care about small minds and hurt internet egos, at all

LOL

araucaria
16th October 2020, 08:52
There is no relief from embarrassment by coming here. It is embarrassing to be human, which is merely to say one feels in the wrong place at the wrong time. I am content with the protection of personal integrity not to be too embarrassed by my own actions. Integrity is the knowledge of being in the right place at the right time, just about the only knowledge I for one would claim to possess. Injecting integrity into US politics may not be possible, but it would seem that some people at least are exploring how it might be done. No doubt they are embarrassing themselves in the process. If you have been unblocking a sewer, you will not like the way you smell either, but the job’s got to be done. Embarrassment washes off. But there is only so much any one individual can do, which is not very much at all, embarrassingly little in fact. It would seem that the humbling experience is an integral part of the package.

Chuckie
16th October 2020, 11:16
I would agree with Malisa on this one, it is a 'virtual' experience, virtual degradation, virtual accolades, it is all virtual but then creation has more elements of virtual content than provided by physical reality. And therein is the focal value. The zeitgeist of virtual discussion falls out in a very real manner. Propaganda is the quintessential example of 'virtual' twisting of truth and lies and serves the purpose of those that do not have the best interests of society in hand. It's only my virtual opinion, of course.

We can't let our minds be fooled by those that are not motivated by the high moral road. I truly believe that anything less is sinister.

It really isn't necessary to browbeat ourselves to determine the truth. Take a breath, clear thoughts, forget just for a second that we believe anything and then 'think'. Check our instincts at the door and then look at what is slapping us in the face. It is surprisingly easy to understand what is happening around us when viewed from that perspective.

Dreamtimer
16th October 2020, 13:32
I sure do wish Trump was unblocking the sewer. But he's not. He does not have a history of integrity. His patterns of behavior have been the opposite of integrity.

Dwelling on the past is surely not good. But forgetting it and failing to learn from it lead to disease and worse. If we ignore Trump's own history and patterns of behavior then we utterly misunderstand the man.

People are chasing phantoms while Trump bilks the US taxpayers for as much as he can. He has lined his pockets with money from his own campaign, hurting his own donors.

That is the kind of man he is. He did the same thing with his charitable foundation. It's called self-dealing.

He has numerous failed businesses, most notably several casinos. How does a brilliant businessman bankrupt casinos?

The answer is because he was never a brilliant businessman. He was bailed out time and again by his father.

We must understand our history in order not to repeat it.

This is why it is such a deep concern that so few folks really seem to understand what communism and socialism really are.

A very deep concern.

Lord Sidious
16th October 2020, 15:05
Oh i don't necesarily have to listen and follow every single person who has been here on this planet before me, if that were the case i would be more crazy than i am already

Assuming that because someone is older or "more experienced" they know better, is going the wrong way about life

I'm not in for any rough ride, i already went through that one way before i came here. Trust me, a few posts here and there are not going to change reality for me. I'm going through way worse than egos being hit on the internet. If someone gets hurt by something someone else posted on the internet, they have bigger issues to deal with. And i can tell you i have done and went through things that most people can't deal with, i just don't care about small minds and hurt internet egos, at all

LOL

Whilst all that is very nice for you, that's your projection of what I said.
You used the word assuming.
I agree, you assume a lot.

Malisa
16th October 2020, 23:00
Whilst all that is very nice for you, that's your projection of what I said.
You used the word assuming.
I agree, you assume a lot.

Just as you did when you said this:



However, this post tells me that you're in for a rough ride, as you won't listen to others who went up the road before you.


This is pointless, you are just going to beat around the bushes for years

My post did not tell you that, since you don't know anything about me, and my words may or may not be the exact same thing i'm thinking, it's just your perception of me based on your own beliefs. You are just trying to find a way to tell me i'm wrong and that's a total waste of time, because we could spend our lives on this pointless argument

So as i said, i have better things to do than follow a random path based on vague statements that never reach the point or just are meant to extend the conversation forever in ridiculous ways, because no one is brave enough to say what they really want to say

No thanks

When people ask me: "What do you see?", i always tell them "I see a lot of things"

xi xi

Malisa
17th October 2020, 01:25
"I was literally feeling embarrassed to still be a member there" ...


https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fthumbs.dreamstime.com%2Fb%2Fscien tology-building-hollywood-boulevard-los-angeles-los-angeles-california-april-93902903.jpg&f=1&nofb=1

When one man's religion is another man's watering hole ...

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Flockerroom.johnlocke.org%2Fapp%2F uploads%2F2018%2F12%2Fjack-bar-no-drink.gif&f=1&nofb=1

So there you have it.

Bill Ryan doesn't belong to the church of scientology, but in any case, any "churches" are places of soul and mental corruption anyway

You can be part of a spiritual or research group, but it's open to your own criteria. Churches don't even work like that, it's either you are with us or you go to hell BS

Gio
17th October 2020, 01:30
There is no relief from embarrassment by coming here. It is embarrassing to be human ...

From my spiritual being perspective view, embarrassment is just part and parcel of becoming human - More than anything else, it has been a very humbling experience foremost.

Gio
17th October 2020, 04:45
Bill Ryan doesn't belong to the church of scientology.

Bill Ryan is a proclaimed Free Zone (Ron's Org (https://scientology.fandom.com/wiki/PsOne_Hagrid)) Scientologist .



You can be part of a spiritual or research group, but it's open to your own criteria. Churches don't even work like that, it's either you are with us or you go to hell BS


Especially so, over at Bill's PA forum's Church of the holy Q thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100318-The-Qanon-posts-and-associated-US-political-analysis&p=1187161&viewfull=1#post1187161) .

Malisa
17th October 2020, 04:49
Bill Ryan is a proclaimed Free Zone (Ron's Org (https://scientology.fandom.com/wiki/PsOne_Hagrid)) Scientologist .



Especially so, over at Bill's PA forum's Church of the holy Q thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100318-The-Qanon-posts-and-associated-US-political-analysis&p=1187161&viewfull=1#post1187161) .

Again, your perception of things based on your own beliefs, are not "official"

Can you possibly show me the documents where Bill Ryan has documented his "Church" and let me remind you that posts on the internet, that affect someone else's ego, are not "official" in anyway, specially, again, when the purpose/meaning/effect is determined by every person's perspective

And second, the post i replied to, was about Scientology, not the stupidity about US politics, why did you change to this issue?

I never mentioned, or care about the idiot US politics, so it seems odd you changed to that narrative so suddenly

But yet, "The Church of Scientology" and the "Free Zone" are not the same, at all, separation of identity comes to mind

Do you think all Asians are Chinese, or all Chinese are Asian? Are there possibly some Russian that are also Asians? What about the Cossacks, are they Asian? Or Russian, or Azerbaijanis?

Maybe because Azerbaijani people have beliefs in Islam it means they are also Turkish, or Iranians?

Wind
17th October 2020, 05:05
This thread continues to amaze me, time after time it's being resurrected for whatever reason.

People sure do like to hold onto their grudges!

Gio
17th October 2020, 05:29
This thread continues to amaze me, time after time it's being resurrected for whatever reason.
People sure do like to hold onto their grudges!

You continue to amaze me Wind ...

And i hold no grudges for anything or anyone over at PA ...
For it was a learning and connecting experience for my
time spent there ... And noting i was not kicked off the
PA forum -Having left of my own accord back in 2016.

It's all a learning experience ... Unlike your colleague
Aragorn, you perhaps have things still to learn there ?

Wind
17th October 2020, 05:33
You continue to amaze me Wind ...

And i hold no grudges for anything or anyone over at PA ...

Well that is great to hear, perhaps we can move on then?

Gio
17th October 2020, 05:33
From Project Camelot ...
What is your spiritual orientation? (https://projectcamelot.org/questions.html)

Gio
17th October 2020, 05:44
And speaking being amazed ...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5C76XMCJCVs

Malisa
17th October 2020, 05:51
From Project Camelot ...
What is your spiritual orientation? (https://projectcamelot.org/questions.html)

Honestly, you DO hold a grudge, just not one you want to speak up in public but constantly try to present through other means



https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11414-What-Motivates-Bill-Ryan-of-Project-Avalon-Community-Forum?p=842029614&viewfull=1#post842029614


And..



Well ...

Apparently from these recent post, Bill is an all around nice guy ...

Can anyone here provide an actual bio for this semi-public personage ...

You know, place and date of birth, schooling (degrees), past employments, etc etc ...

https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11414-What-Motivates-Bill-Ryan-of-Project-Avalon-Community-Forum?p=842029456&viewfull=1#post842029456

I don't like to waste my time on ridiculous games, it's obvious how you feel, so why even pretend

Why those details even matter? Except if you wanted to point to something "wrong" that would give credit to your grudge

Gio
17th October 2020, 06:43
Except if you wanted to point to something "wrong" that would give credit to your grudge

No grudge, just general dislike ... :)

PS ~ And mistrust.

Aragorn
17th October 2020, 07:01
Honestly, you DO hold a grudge, just not one you want to speak up in public but constantly try to present through other means



And..


https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11414-What-Motivates-Bill-Ryan-of-Project-Avalon-Community-Forum?p=842029456&viewfull=1#post842029456

I don't like to waste my time on ridiculous games, it's obvious how you feel, so why even pretend

Why those details even matter? Except if you wanted to point to something "wrong" that would give credit to your grudge

No grudge, just general dislike ... :)

PS ~ And mistrust.



"Let him who is without sin cast the first stone."

(Some wise dude from a long time ago. Was crucified. They initially meant to drown him,
but then all the nuns would have had to wear a fish tank hanging from their necks.)

:ttr:

araucaria
17th October 2020, 08:27
If you see the elite as incorrigible, then the prison planet model would seem to apply best to the situation – provided one takes the analogy all the way. The deprivation of our freedom by this elite indicates that they are the jailers and the rest of us the inmates. If an inmate has integrity in the sense of knowledge of being in the right place at the right time, then that would mean eventual acceptance of being guilty as charged. On the other hand, if they feel they are angels only here to help, it could possibly be out of embarrassment through feeling they are in the wrong place at the wrong time: they are innocent and the whole thing is a huge mistake. As far as we know, there have only been one or two mistakes, and the reaction was very different, one of acquiescence. Or it could be that at some stage along the way, they have grown into model prisoners almost ready for release (although release may be still some time off). They begin to trust in a miracle, which is not a miracle at all, the day those jailers open the gates to freedom. The miracle becomes automatic, inevitable, once the cosmic penitentiary has achieved the desired effect of change through admission of guilt, namely repentance. The example of Jesus would be that even the guiltless would go meekly through this process rather than attack the guards and make a break for freedom. It makes a lot of sense: better clean the slate than go on the run as an outlaw. So, guilty as charged, but after so long, guilty of what exactly? Satan’s sin is either pride or doing things back to front; or rather both: stubbornly doing things back to front, thinking he knows best. At some stage, this has got to stop and we have to get in step with the universe. The jailers are simply showing how not to do it. Learn the lesson and you can go out and be a proper angel on full power.

The prison is not the only analogy or even the best. It was useful in Christian times, but not so much nowadays. Michael Newton’s between-life clients tend to see life here as a school. In this analogy, the starting point is not willful error but immature ignorance, but otherwise the process is similar: you learn and eventually graduate. But the pedagogy has improved: instead of telling students how useless they are, teachers emphasize the positives and give encouragement: they are on the same side. And gifted students (formerly model prisoners) help their classmates. The climate is one of cooperation, not isolation.

Another difference between the two models is that there are a different group of people in charge. The angels only here to help are now in charge as teachers or gifted students and the former powers-that-be are slow learners at the bottom of the class. The jailers who thought they had the keys are actually lagging behind the rest, but they have been brought onside: everyone is aligned in working towards a single goal. Also in this scenario, angels who used to feel they were in the wrong place at the wrong time are no longer thinking in terms of an outdated analogy, possibly as good Christians. From the educational standpoint, they see the world differently, even though so far nothing else has changed. Instead of worshipping Christ, they act out the Christ consciousness. The last will be first and the first will be last, not in terms of power but in terms of influence. The wrong path has led to total incompetence in high places, a total dead-end. As competence takes over, the gates of the cosmic penitentiary swing open and stay open. Some inmates may be too set in their ways to notice at first.

Aragorn
17th October 2020, 08:39
If you see the elite as incorrigible, then the prison planet model would seem to apply best to the situation – provided one takes the analogy all the way. The deprivation of our freedom by this elite indicates that they are the jailers and the rest of us the inmates. If an inmate has integrity in the sense of knowledge of being in the right place at the right time, then that would mean eventual acceptance of being guilty as charged. On the other hand, if they feel they are angels only here to help, it could possibly be out of embarrassment through feeling they are in the wrong place at the wrong time: they are innocent and the whole thing is a huge mistake. As far as we know, there have only been one or two mistakes, and the reaction was very different, one of acquiescence. Or it could be that at some stage along the way, they have grown into model prisoners almost ready for release (although release may be still some time off). They begin to trust in a miracle, which is not a miracle at all, the day those jailers open the gates to freedom. The miracle becomes automatic, inevitable, once the cosmic penitentiary has achieved the desired effect of change through admission of guilt, namely repentance. The example of Jesus would be that even the guiltless would go meekly through this process rather than attack the guards and make a break for freedom. It makes a lot of sense: better clean the slate than go on the run as an outlaw. So, guilty as charged, but after so long, guilty of what exactly? Satan’s sin is either pride or doing things back to front; or rather both: stubbornly doing things back to front, thinking he knows best. At some stage, this has got to stop and we have to get in step with the universe. The jailers are simply showing how not to do it. Learn the lesson and you can go out and be a proper angel on full power.

The prison is not the only analogy or even the best. It was useful in Christian times, but not so much nowadays. Michael Newton’s between-life clients tend to see life here as a school. In this analogy, the starting point is not willful error but immature ignorance, but otherwise the process is similar: you learn and eventually graduate. But the pedagogy has improved: instead of telling students how useless they are, teachers emphasize the positives and give encouragement: they are on the same side. And gifted students (formerly model prisoners) help their classmates. The climate is one of cooperation, not isolation.

Another difference between the two models is that there are a different group of people in charge. The angels only here to help are now in charge as teachers or gifted students and the former powers-that-be are slow learners at the bottom of the class. The jailers who thought they had the keys are actually lagging behind the rest, but they have been brought onside: everyone is aligned in working towards a single goal. Also in this scenario, angels who used to feel they were in the wrong place at the wrong time are no longer thinking in terms of an outdated analogy, possibly as good Christians. From the educational standpoint, they see the world differently, even though so far nothing else has changed. Instead of worshipping Christ, they act out the Christ consciousness. The last will be first and the first will be last, not in terms of power but in terms of influence. The wrong path has led to total incompetence in high places, a total dead-end. As competence takes over, the gates of the cosmic penitentiary swing open and stay open. Some inmates may be too set in their ways to notice at first.

Umm... :back to topic:

Lord Sidious
17th October 2020, 08:51
Just as you did when you said this:



This is pointless, you are just going to beat around the bushes for years

My post did not tell you that, since you don't know anything about me, and my words may or may not be the exact same thing i'm thinking, it's just your perception of me based on your own beliefs. You are just trying to find a way to tell me i'm wrong and that's a total waste of time, because we could spend our lives on this pointless argument

So as i said, i have better things to do than follow a random path based on vague statements that never reach the point or just are meant to extend the conversation forever in ridiculous ways, because no one is brave enough to say what they really want to say

No thanks

When people ask me: "What do you see?", i always tell them "I see a lot of things"

xi xi

I'm not going to tell you what I really think of this as I will get banned again..............

araucaria
17th October 2020, 09:27
Well Aragorn, if you don’t see how my post is on topic regarding what motivates Bill Ryan, then let me spell it out. The idea of perceptions changing from a prison planet to a place of education explains quite a bit about how people operate. For example, JFK was a would-be educator playing the role of a prison warder, and was duly sacked. Whether Donald Trump is or isn’t more of the same, and whether or not he gets the sack, is the critical issue of the current ‘debate’ in the US. The same question is also the subject of this thread, only with reference to Bill Ryan. It is all about perceptions, which is ultimately unhelpful, boring – someone here yawned – basically because there is a sliding scale of competence: a competent jailer is a poor pedagogue, a good pedagogue a hopeless jailer. Where exactly Bill Ryan or anyone else sits on this scale is of secondary importance; they are what they are, and we each make what we can of it. I think that is all I have to say on the subject.

Chuckie
17th October 2020, 11:08
No grudge, just general dislike ... :)

PS ~ And mistrust.

you know I really get that one, I felt the same way about that farmer from Texas, wanna-be smart guy and most ridiculous 'spiritually awoken' fake dude moderator I have ever seen ... what's-his-name

Chuckie
17th October 2020, 11:39
If you see the elite as incorrigible, then the prison planet model would seem to apply best to the situation – provided one takes the analogy all the way. The deprivation of our freedom by this elite indicates that they are the jailers and the rest of us the inmates. If an inmate has integrity in the sense of knowledge of being in the right place at the right time, then that would mean eventual acceptance of being guilty as charged. On the other hand, if they feel they are angels only here to help, it could possibly be out of embarrassment through feeling they are in the wrong place at the wrong time: they are innocent and the whole thing is a huge mistake. As far as we know, there have only been one or two mistakes, and the reaction was very different, one of acquiescence. Or it could be that at some stage along the way, they have grown into model prisoners almost ready for release (although release may be still some time off). They begin to trust in a miracle, which is not a miracle at all, the day those jailers open the gates to freedom. The miracle becomes automatic, inevitable, once the cosmic penitentiary has achieved the desired effect of change through admission of guilt, namely repentance. The example of Jesus would be that even the guiltless would go meekly through this process rather than attack the guards and make a break for freedom. It makes a lot of sense: better clean the slate than go on the run as an outlaw. So, guilty as charged, but after so long, guilty of what exactly? Satan’s sin is either pride or doing things back to front; or rather both: stubbornly doing things back to front, thinking he knows best. At some stage, this has got to stop and we have to get in step with the universe. The jailers are simply showing how not to do it. Learn the lesson and you can go out and be a proper angel on full power.

The prison is not the only analogy or even the best. It was useful in Christian times, but not so much nowadays. Michael Newton’s between-life clients tend to see life here as a school. In this analogy, the starting point is not willful error but immature ignorance, but otherwise the process is similar: you learn and eventually graduate. But the pedagogy has improved: instead of telling students how useless they are, teachers emphasize the positives and give encouragement: they are on the same side. And gifted students (formerly model prisoners) help their classmates. The climate is one of cooperation, not isolation.

Another difference between the two models is that there are a different group of people in charge. The angels only here to help are now in charge as teachers or gifted students and the former powers-that-be are slow learners at the bottom of the class. The jailers who thought they had the keys are actually lagging behind the rest, but they have been brought onside: everyone is aligned in working towards a single goal. Also in this scenario, angels who used to feel they were in the wrong place at the wrong time are no longer thinking in terms of an outdated analogy, possibly as good Christians. From the educational standpoint, they see the world differently, even though so far nothing else has changed. Instead of worshipping Christ, they act out the Christ consciousness. The last will be first and the first will be last, not in terms of power but in terms of influence. The wrong path has led to total incompetence in high places, a total dead-end. As competence takes over, the gates of the cosmic penitentiary swing open and stay open. Some inmates may be too set in their ways to notice at first.

The thing about Jesus:
Jesus' message was intended to exemplify forgiveness and tolerance of the fellow human being with strong emphasis on 'fellow human being'. Not of necessity did that include oppressive 'institutions' that purposefully exploit the masses. Witness his anger in the temple against 'the money changers'. A lesson in the form of a very strong metaphor of right and wrong, good and fallen morality. Exploitation is not acceptable and therefore should be opposed even while 'acceptance' remains an inherent aspect of the human experience. Otherwise known as a call to faith that the good will make things aright.
My favorite part of the bible has always been the sermon on the mount. In essence it is a re-reference to faith and righteousness in the face of adversity. A call to the other virtues of patience and hope, faith, and even charity...Spiritual charity which is free, unlike hate petitioning to be free. Spiritual charity, free yet so many are unwilling to give.


Well that is great to hear, perhaps we can move on then?

aw, c'mon my friend Wind ... it is so much fun to bash,mash, crunch and crash. Where's the harm, really. It's an exercise in self-awareness. :)

araucaria not to go against Aragorn's feelings but I find your thoughts stimulating. I wouldn't stop, i would keep thinking.

Malisa
18th October 2020, 05:28
I'm not going to tell you what I really think of this as I will get banned again..............

Oh i could say so to, but i do not as well, let's keep it classy, but yeah

Aragorn
18th October 2020, 11:54
Listen up. I have just deleted the last four posts from this thread because they were needlessly provocative. Let's leave the ad hominems out of this, okay?

Gio
18th October 2020, 11:57
Oh i knew you would (i saved them) ...

The One Truth (scrubbed)

giggle :)

Perhaps you need to do the same for little missy's above post.

Aragorn
18th October 2020, 12:12
Oh i knew you would (i saved them) ...

The One Truth (scrubbed)

giggle :)

Perhaps you need to do the same for little missy's above post.

There's nothing wrong with that post, which is why I let it stand. As I see it, they are both conceding to watch their language. Unfortunately, that is not what happened in the aftermath, which is why I've deleted the posts that followed.

As an alternative, if people aren't going to behave ─ and that includes all participants here ─ then I can also always lock this thread if I have to, and then it's "game over". But of course, then we'll have to hear the whining about censorship again. :rolleyes:




Addendum: Gio has now been banned from this thread after yet another provocative post that needed deletion, so please don't reply to him on this thread anymore, because that would be unfair, given that he won't be able to read it.

Fred Steeves
18th October 2020, 12:57
I didn't see the deleted posts as all that big of a deal. So we had a little clash of the old guard vs. the new guard, so what? Not like there were F bombs flying or anything. Rob's a big boy and can handle himself, and Malisa has a lot of potential. To me it would be nice to see both Rob lay down his sword and actually give a bit of a history lesson to Malisa, not just criticize her, and Malisa to lay down her sword long enough to actually give a shit about the history of PA.

I think both are correct in that history matters, yet we can't get stuck there either.

Lord Sidious
18th October 2020, 20:52
I didn't see the deleted posts as all that big of a deal. So we had a little clash of the old guard vs. the new guard, so what? Not like there were F bombs flying or anything. Rob's a big boy and can handle himself, and Malisa has a lot of potential. To me it would be nice to see both Rob lay down his sword and actually give a bit of a history lesson to Malisa, not just criticize her, and Malisa to lay down her sword long enough to actually give a shit about the history of PA.

I think both are correct in that history matters, yet we can't get stuck there either.

Why would I sow seed in barren ground?

Fred Steeves
18th October 2020, 22:04
I'm not so sure the ground is barren. This kid seems to have a head on her shoulders, just not very long in the tooth life experience wise. I know what that's like. If she's smart as I think she might be, she'd at least hear your side of the story out in an objective manner.

As an aside, might moderation consider a time limit for Gio's ban on this thread? He's one of the few battle hardened veterans still around, and if the last offensive post in question was on par with the others that got deleted, it can't have been all that egregious to warrant a permanent.

Lord Sidious
18th October 2020, 23:18
I'm not so sure the ground is barren. This kid seems to have a head on her shoulders, just not very long in the tooth life experience wise. I know what that's like. If she's smart as I think she might be, she'd at least hear your side of the story out in an objective manner.

As an aside, might moderation consider a time limit for Gio's ban on this thread? He's one of the few battle hardened veterans still around, and if the last offensive post in question was on par with the others that got deleted, it can't have been all that egregious to warrant a permanent.

I don't doubt the intelligence side, it's the attitude that forms a bar to any discussion.
If it was any thicker, even Vader couldn't get through it with his lightsabre...............

Octopus Garden
19th October 2020, 01:28
It is hard to grasp all of the ins and outs of PA history, who said what to whom and why and etc...but it's worth noting that there are no saints on PA. That's for sure. Some posters I thought highly of turned out to be a bit racist, and if not racist, not able to imagine being anything other than white. I think if you can say a forum has a sub-text, that would be it. And I think Bill Ryan falls into that category. He sets the tone, even if it is to veer away from those threads and not offer an opinion. Not speaking up, speaks volumes.

And I get how white people who are struggling financially and don't have any particular beef with any other race would be bugged by the "guilty by association,' thing, but they have to understand that, within the criminal justice system, racism is systemic. It's not about how they feel and relate to other races, it's about a system that was set up by wealthy white men and has gotten worse not better. So it breaks down by race and class but those who aren't white get the worst of it.

Anyway...back to topic!


I'm not so sure the ground is barren. This kid seems to have a head on her shoulders, just not very long in the tooth life experience wise. I know what that's like. If she's smart as I think she might be, she'd at least hear your side of the story out in an objective manner.

As an aside, might moderation consider a time limit for Gio's ban on this thread? He's one of the few battle hardened veterans still around, and if the last offensive post in question was on par with the others that got deleted, it can't have been all that egregious to warrant a permanent.

Malisa is a sweet intelligent girl. She has a lot going for her. She is very direct, which some people will put off some people. But she does have a point about age not conferring wisdom, necessarily. Boomers can be some of the most ignorant blind fools out there. They start out with skulls full of slurry that turns to concrete over the decades.

Aragorn
19th October 2020, 01:46
I'm not so sure the ground is barren. This kid seems to have a head on her shoulders, just not very long in the tooth life experience wise. I know what that's like. If she's smart as I think she might be, she'd at least hear your side of the story out in an objective manner.

Perhaps that matter should then best be handled via private messages.


As an aside, might moderation consider a time limit for Gio's ban on this thread? He's one of the few battle hardened veterans still around, and if the last offensive post in question was on par with the others that got deleted, it can't have been all that egregious to warrant a permanent.

It wasn't so much the post in and of itself, but rather the deliberately trollish intent behind it, and the fact that it was a verbatim copy of one of his earlier posts on this thread. It was trolling for the sake of trolling. He had already made his point earlier ─ ad nauseam, even ─ and there was no need for him to keep tooting that same horn over and over and over again. We heard him the first time.

:noidea:

sourcetruth
19th October 2020, 01:48
This isn't the first time ad hominem attacks were an issue on the forum.

I don't doubt the intelligence side, it's the attitude that forms a bar to any discussion.
If it was any thicker, even Vader couldn't get through it with his lightsabre...............

I know what you mean. She has a long history, and some of that is with me.
In the past, she has followed me to multiple forums and platforms to argue against me wherever I went. She has never acknowledged any points that I make. She has also made several as hominem attacks on this forum before, including to myself, and got reprimanded for it.
She is defensive of Project Avalon and Bill Ryan. Ever since she followed me there to my thread and I got banned from there, she has grown quite fond of the forum, especially after I started criticizing it.

Aragorn
19th October 2020, 01:56
sourcetruth has now also been banned from this thread. He has already shown on multiple occasions that he's only opportunistically seeking to fan the flames due to the fact that he was unsubscribed from Project Avalon, and the fact that Malisa was trying to talk sense into him both over there and here at The OneTruth ─ as we all were, to no avail.

Malisa
19th October 2020, 02:55
sourcetruth has now also been banned from this thread. He has already shown on multiple occasions that he's only opportunistically seeking to fan the flames due to the fact that he was unsubscribed from Project Avalon, and the fact that Malisa was trying to talk sense into him both over there and here at The OneTruth ─ as we all were, to no avail.

I also would like to note, just this time, that it's not true that i never addressed his claims, i did in a very throughout way, to the point he was unable to reply and instead started attacking my person, saying insults like "you laugh like a donkey" and plenty other things such as "you are hedonist" because i had a healthy relationship with my gf, so what does that matter at all? He went from losing arguments to directly insult me and then he claims i was doing ad hominen attacks on him

This is all documented on Out of Mind forums and on Twitter, but once he was exposed he deleted his Twitter and youtube accounts and started using other accounts to attack people around

He also constantly made sure to remind me that as a woman, i was "lesser" than him, and acted in misogynist ways around me, basically calling me "impure" for just being me and having a gf at the time, he dislikes women very much, and i was attacked online because of it. Originally i tried talking to him but he rejected any attempt, i even offered to buy him some books he wanted to read on Amazon, but once he new i was a woman he rejected the offer, this is crazy wrong. And i can totally see he's still going with the hate

This is off topic so i'm going to stop now, but just wanted to clarify that i never failed to address his claims, he just was unable to figure out his own agenda and deleted all the evidence. I see he continues to pretend none of that happened, and that's sad and troublesome to see

Chris
19th October 2020, 08:24
Just for the record, I don't really have a problem with the fact that Bill supports Donald Trump, because I know why Bill believes that Trump would be the better choice. I think that Bill is being naive in this matter, and that, in this naiveté, Bill has also completely forgotten that there are still alternatives beside the US Democrats and the US Republicans.

Bill's motivation for supporting Donald Trump is not driven by what Trump truly stands for ─ i.e. nationalism, corporatism and both personal and cultural narcissism. No, Bill supports Donald Trump because he believes that the alternative would be even worse, because Joe Biden is after all a candidate from within the corrupt corporatist-globalist establishment.

So Bill's outspoken support for Trump, even if I don't agree with him in that, was definitely not why I left Project Avalon. There were several different reasons why I left, but I guess you could say that most of them boil down to the insanity of a very vocal group of members ─ some of whom are quite arrogant, others are quite disdainful and cynical, and yet others are blinded by a frothing hatred for anything perceived as left-wing. Just as Joseph McCarthy would have wanted it.

A large contingent of these people has been completely hypnotized by Donald Trump and the Q phenomenon, and they are embracing fascism without knowing that they are, because they don't even understand what fascism really is, just as they don't understand what socialism is.

Another contingent exhibits Pavlovian knee-jerk reactions on account of anything mainstream, in favor of both unproven and disproven pseudoscience. Among other things, we're talking of incessant Covid-19 denial, paranoia regarding 5G, the belief that autism would be caused by vaccines ─ coupled to the vehement defense of Andrew Wakefield, who was barred from every practising medicine again ─ and more anti-truth.

There is a significant overlap between both of these contingents ─ albeit that it's not a one-on-one match ─ and there is most definitely intellectual dishonesty among the both of them. If you present them with the facts, then it's like you're suddenly speaking another language and they can't understand a single word you're saying, with as a result that they'll simply flat-out ignore what you just said.

What makes everything worse, however, is that Bill is protective of both of these groups of people and has as such allowed Project Avalon to degrade into merely an echo chamber for the alt-right and the truth-deniers. Yes, when it comes to hard science, Bill still puts his foot down, and in the battle against the Covid-19 deniers, we stood side by side as hard-scientists. But that is not enough, and it backfired, because then we got to see reactions from members who couldn't tell our personal opinions and knowledge apart from the Project Avalon leadership and "party line". Anything we said was interpreted as an almost dictatorial intervention on account of the members' freedom of speech.

There were a couple of other reasons as well on account of why I had to leave Project Avalon, among which (but not limited to) the fact that I was still suffering from a second Covid-19 infection ─ which, like the first time around, has long-term consequences that I'm still battling with ─ and the fact that I'm a very busy man. I'm also still the administrator here, and I'm a moderator at the Manjaro Linux forum. But the most significant factor in my decision to leave Project Avalon was without any doubt the amount of lunacy from those two very vocal and entitled contingents, and the fact that Bill is allowing these people to bring down the quality of Project Avalon.

I was literally feeling embarrassed to still be a member there, let alone a staff member, and I've told Bill. It all became too much to bear, and something had to give. It had been brooding in my mind for quite some time already, and it was a serene discussion in the Project Avalon mod room ─ not an argue, but a very serious and somewhat intense discussion ─ that prompted me to bite the bullet and leave.

But that said, I don't hold any grudges against Bill. In fact, I sent him an interesting article regarding Covid-19 ─ which I've posted on a pertinent thread here ─ via email only yesterday, and he posted it as a new thread at Project Avalon, crediting me in the process. So it's not like we're not on speaking terms anymore. We parted as friends, and I still respect the man. But it was obvious that I, being who I am, don't belong at Project Avalon.

So there you have it. :unsure:

Hmm, quite an interesting turn of events.

Can't say I blame you, without wanting to offend anyone's delicate sensibilities, that forum is unfortunately becoming a shit-show for some reason, attracting crazy, paranoid types.

It has been infested by what JH Kunstler calls Corn-Pone Nazis, a unique type of home-grown (and corn-fed) fascist that thrives on paranoid conspiracy theories.

I still find some of the material posted there interesting, where it concerns alternative views and information regarding things like UFOs and spiritual topics, but I don't think I could stomach having discussions with those kind of paranpid conspiracy and Qanon types that seems to dominate the forum these days.

I am starting to think that some other forums have bans on certain types of discussions for good reason.

Spiritual forums (if it can be recovered, that is), has a ban on political topics and discussions. Actualized.org has a ban on conspiracy theory-type dicsussions. I think that is quite a smart policy.

For what it's worth, I think Project Avalon should have a more narrow focus and concentrate on topics that are actually pertinent and relevant to the alternative community. I must admit that I have always found the general atmosphere of paranoia and groupthink there to be off-putting.

I recall, that within days of joining up there I was accused of being an intelligence asset with an MK ultra handler who was sent to infiltrate the community...

:lol::ha::hilarious:

Dear Reader
19th October 2020, 10:21
At this stage of the game, what is it's (PA) purpose?

And to some extent, this forum right here??

This is just my very humble observation, and to some extent, point of view.

I get the tag-line, "where science and spirituality meet", yeah I get that, but beyond that it has just morphed into one giant echo-chamber with factions that have split-off viciously defending their corner of said chamber. In the past annuls of time, in the early days it was a breath of fresh air, to meet like-minded kiff and kin, to talk about the subjects that one wouldn't necessarily speak to friends or family about, there was a real kinship amongst the few...... Bit of drama here and there, some oddballs appearing every so often, there were things to be learnt, new info to chase, decrement to practice and sharpen, hell, there was even a monthly 'News Letters' sent out, a compilation of what Bill thought was that months most interesting and pertinent information. Good stuff all round.

But now..........

Yep, we all grow, if you've been around for any length of time no doubt there's not a huge amount that will shock any more. We know how the grand game is played, and as Icke is fond of saying, "know the destination, know the journey". I understand the value of forums such as these for the people who have only just had the veil lifted, it's value lies in it's halls of content, and with half-decent researching skills one could have a wonderful time digging through the info that best interests them. Above and beyond that now................ I'm not so sure. Sitting around endlessly talking about sh*t and not actually doing anything about that sh*t ain't the most productive way to be spending one's time, no? Sitting around endlessly talking about sh*t and not actually doing anything about that sh*t, does that make you a better human being? Does that elevate you intellectually in some way?? No, thought not. Maybe that should be explained to a few members over yonder.

I've seen Bill a lot recently trying to 'steer' the tone of the topics on the main-facing page by bumping thread after thread from the depths of the vault, instead of letting the forum organically present what it is that it's members are talking about, which shows that he knows that it ain't quite right, and to me, if you are artificially trying to present your forum to the world as one thing, when in reality it is another thing completely, well, say it ain't so Joe.

Yoo's folks here are a different kettle of fish though. I do read here every day, and you seem to be a tighter bunch, I understand that many here have had similar experiences from elsewhere before coming here, so there is a shared kinship there, I get that, but I get the feeling that here, you ain't trying to 'be' something, you just 'are'........ If ya catch ma drift.

Anyway, as I said, It's just an observation, no harm done.

As you were.

Aianawa
19th October 2020, 10:35
Mmmff feels good being an ARE , feels strong and forward, ta.

Chris
19th October 2020, 11:45
@Dear Reader

As Aragorn is fond of saying, the entire so-called alternative community has disgraced and discredited itself by its association with and support of the currrent US administration. They have clearly been co-opted and it is a sickening sight, not to mention that the Alex Jones types are now effectively in power not just in the US, but in many other parts of the world where the "populist" revolution is overturning the old liberal order.

Dear Reader
19th October 2020, 11:49
@Dear Reader

As Aragorn is fond of saying, the entire so-called alternative community has disgraced and discredited itself by its association with and support of the currrent US administration. They have clearly been co-opted and it is a sickening sight, not to mention that the Alex Jones types are now effectively in power not just in the US, but in many other parts of the world where the "populist" revolution is overturning the old liberal order.

I couldn't agree more Chris,

but wanted to refrain from Politik-Think for the simple reason that the known observable universe isn't big enough to contain my written thoughts on The Grand Game.

Wind
19th October 2020, 12:05
As Aragorn is fond of saying, the entire so-called alternative community has disgraced and discredited itself by its association with and support of the currrent US administration.

This is something that has been very disturbing for me to witness during the past few years, of course it didn't start with the Orange Man but it sure got worse with him. I had my illusions about this community and they were shattered completely. I'm amazed that people look up for politicians to save them and to lead them to some kind of salvation. If that isn't mindless herd-mentality then I don't know what is.

Chris
19th October 2020, 12:34
This is something that has been very disturbing for me to witness during the past few years, of course it didn't start with the Orange Man but it sure got worse with him. I had my illusions about this community and they were shattered completely. I'm amazed that people look up for politicians to save them and to lead them to some kind of salvation. If that isn't mindless herd-mentality then I don't know what is.

The most disturbing aspect is that this has happened once already, in 1930's Europe.

Various far-right movements on the continent thrived on paranoid conspiracy theories and it got really ugly when they actually seized power. Another parallel is a polarisation, where people are now either far-right or far-left, with very little in between. That is why we are now seeing pre-civil-war conditions in a number of countries, chiefly the USA. I'm afraid this election will bring considerable amounts of actual violence, no matter who wins. Neither side will accept the results, they will be contested and actual civil war battles might be fought on the streets. That BTW, is very reminiscent of the chaos in Weimar Germany or pre-civil-war Spain.

Aragorn
19th October 2020, 12:44
The most disturbing aspect is that this has happened once already, in 1930's Europe.

Various far-right movements on the continent thrived on paranoid conspiracy theories and it got really ugly when they actually seized power. Another parallel is a polarisation, where people are now either far-right or far-left, with very little in between. That is why we are now seeing pre-civil-war conditions in a number of countries, chiefly the USA. I'm afraid this election will bring considerable amounts of actual violence, no matter who wins. Neither side will accept the results, they will be contested and actual civil war battles might be fought on the streets. That BTW, is very reminiscent of the chaos in Weimar Germany or pre-civil-war Spain.

My thoughts exactly, Chris. My thoughts exactly. :hmm:

Dreamtimer
19th October 2020, 13:30
"Corn-Pone Nazis" That term is funny. The reality of it isn't, of course.

"In the past annuls of time, in the early days it was a breath of fresh air, to meet like-minded kiff and kin, to talk about the subjects that one wouldn't necessarily speak to friends or family about, there was a real kinship amongst the few...... Bit of drama here and there, some oddballs appearing every so often, there were things to be learnt, new info to chase, decrement to practice and sharpen, hell, there was even a monthly 'News Letters' sent out, a compilation of what Bill thought was that months most interesting and pertinent information. Good stuff all round."

Those were the days, huh? I was never a member but I did lurk quite a bit. I don't any longer.


Why is it that 'populist' revolutions are never really about the people?


"...the known observable universe isn't big enough to contain my written thoughts on The Grand Game." Well, at least you won't have to worry about it all being lost due to tech difficulties. :p


I'm in the midst of this 1930s craziness. I still can't believe it. And I don't know what to do.

Actually, in part, the craziness of my country is what brought me here. I started just being interested in alternate theories. I've always been independent in my thinking and the way I live. And I wanted to know what was motivating folks on the right who seemed to be quite immersed in the alternate world.

Understanding hasn't brought much in the way of peace. I believed that I could communicate with people and help achieve greater understanding between folks.

But, beginning with Bsbray, and going on from there I mostly got attacked. Pretty viciously and yet nothing compared to what some folks undergo.

It's pretty sad.

Chuckie
19th October 2020, 13:40
a Russian psychic has been predicting this for years, perhaps a little biased, perhaps even helping (confirmation bias) but it could happen. Lefties have guns, too ... they just keep them in their closets. Brother against brother ... :) My older brother has had an arsenal for years and has always been a 'gun' fanatic. I wouldn't shoot but he might. He, after all, is a strong advocate of the Golden one. I think he is the last in the family. lol! My nephew and I have already made a pact, a couple of years ago, that when it all goes to sh*t, he's got my back. We even have a rallying cry!

No, it's not "Brazos", it's "I'm coming in hot!" :)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oFzxV_pmwI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XR-qN44En0

Chris
19th October 2020, 14:03
The dialectic trick is in the escalation. Both sides take it so far, that after a while, neither is willing to back down.

The fascist takeovers of the the 1920s and 1930s were preceded by violent attempts, sometimes successful, by the far-left to seize power and overturn the existing social order.

The very first such fascist takeover was in Hungary in 1919. It was preceded by the short-lived Hungarian Soviet Republic, whose leadership was mostly Jewish and it perpetrated what was subsequently called the "Red Terror". When the Hungarian Soviets were defeated (Soviet Russia was fighting a civil war at the time and was unable to help), a fascist, irredentist regime, led by a former Admiral in the Austro-Hungarian navy, took power.

The Horthy regime then proceeded to "restore order" which mostly meant the targeted killing of Jews, who were either involved, or in many cases, weren't, in the previous failed Soviet experiment. The first openly anti-semitic laws, aimed at restricting Jewish participation in academia and leadership positions via a quota system, were introduced in 1920.

A parallel process occured in Germany years later, except the Boklsheviks were unsuccessful in their attempts to overturn the Weimar Republic and Hitler seized power with the express aim of wiping out what he saw as "Jewish Bolshevism". That is when all the paranoid conspiracy theories about "Rotschild control" "International Jewry", the protocols and whatnot started. The hysteria around this whole issue was really very similar to what we are seeing now with pizzagate, Qanon, Demonrats, the Satanic Panic and all assorted topics.

Of course, there are conspiracy theories on both side of the debate (and sometimes, they are true), but the relentless paranoia and panic about an NWO Satanic Paedophile takeover is now really confined to one side only.

Dreamtimer
19th October 2020, 14:13
Once you've decided folks are satanic pedophiles you don't have to give them a fair trial, or a fair anything. Christians in America do not believe people have rights who are 'taken by the devil'.

The end result is that they would trash the Constitution with joy, because...Satan.

Chris
19th October 2020, 14:20
Once you've decided folks are satanic pedophiles you don't have to give them a fair trial, or a fair anything. Christians in America do not believe people have rights who are 'taken by the devil'.

The end result is that they would trash the Constitution with joy, because...Satan.

Yes, Satan is the eternal scapegoat.

You label something or someone "satanic" and alll normal rules of conduct go out of the window. Even atheists have a visceral reaction against anything that's labelled Satanic, that's how strong the religious programming is. I would liken it to a computer virus or trojan horse, that takes over people's brains and controls their thought processes, without them even realising it.

Dreamtimer
19th October 2020, 14:53
I'm not saying all Christians, by the way. I'm speaking about those who believe that if you're not saved by Jesus, then you are taken by the devil. There is no middle ground or forgiveness.

Chuckie
19th October 2020, 15:08
What people screw up is that 'it has to be Jesus'. Creation is not nearly so limited. I have learned about Jesus, I love Jesus, if i were to reject him... I would have to be damned simply because I know better.

Dear Reader
19th October 2020, 15:11
I'm not saying all Christians, by the way. I'm speaking about those who believe that if you're not saved by Jesus, then you are taken by the devil. There is no middle ground or forgiveness.


Good Lord!

Say it ain't so!!

Aye, I've seen a lot of yootoobers recently shouting about Satanic Ritual Abuse that is behind ab-so-lute-ly EVERYTHING (although have not seen it tied-into the UFO/UAP phenomena...... Yet). I've watched one particular channel, that has only been going 5 weeks, grow from 10 to 4.5k subs on the back of SRA...... In just 5 short weeks. It's crazy.

The responses from some of the viewers in the chat is the scary thing........ These are, seem to be, the general public, the very people you pass on the street, or in the coffee shop or supermarket. Once a sub-set are demonised it seems to be 'open season'...... Anything goes. No holds barred.

Dreamtimer
19th October 2020, 15:28
Perhaps people don't realize how widespread fundamentalism is in America.

When folks of that ilk fight for 'freedom of religion', that contains, by its very definition, the right to impose their beliefs upon you because their religion requires them to witness for the sake of their own salvation. It's commanded by God. You're freedom of religion is irrelevant because you're of the devil.

Here's the story of Carlton Pearson (https://www.bishoppearson.com). I didn't know until just now that there was a Netflix special about him.

Chris
19th October 2020, 20:18
I wish it were only America, but in the Islamic world, religious fundamentalism is an even bigger problem.

At least in the US, there is separation between church and state and there really is freedom of religion, at least in theory, or at least by fundamental law.

Things are very different in other parts of the world, where religion controls public discourse and Sharia rules the roost. I have some experience with Malaysia and Indonesia, but those are actually the least extreme Islamic countries in the world. The most extreme example is Wahhabism and its Syrian offshoot in the form of the Islamic State, at least until the Russians bombed them into oblivion.

Witness the plight of Yazidis, which I wrote about before. Their deity, Melek Taus, has been identified by Islamic Scholars as the Shaitan of the Quran, or in other words, the Satan of Monotheistic faiths. This despite the fact that Yezidi religion predates both Christianity and Islam by several thousand years and is as peaceful as you can get. It is now actually believed that Melek Taus is the Same Deity as Murugan in Southern India a very ancient pre-vedic deity that is also associated with the peacock and much revered in Tamil Nadu especially.

In any case, Muslims of the fundamentalist variety have determined that Yazidis are essentially devil-worshippers and as such can be treated worse than animals. During the reign of terror of the Islamic State, most of them were carried off into slavery, the women and children openly sold on slave markets and the men mostly killed. They made a serious effort to wipe out an ethnic and religious group in the middle east that has survived for thousands of years.

I'm only bringing it up to demonstrate the most extreme form of Satanic Panic and where it can lead a society even in the modern era. I see disturbing parallels with some people, particularly in the US, who combine fundamentalist Christian beliefs with the paranoia of the modern alt-right. Someone like Mike Adams or Alex Jones would be prime examples of this.

Dreamtimer
19th October 2020, 20:54
It's very dangerous, indeed.

Octopus Garden
19th October 2020, 20:58
Once you've decided folks are satanic pedophiles you don't have to give them a fair trial, or a fair anything. Christians in America do not believe people have rights who are 'taken by the devil'.

The end result is that they would trash the Constitution with joy, because...Satan.

Beautiful. Can I quote you?

Dreamtimer
19th October 2020, 21:53
Yes, you may.

Aragorn
20th October 2020, 02:24
I wish it were only America, but in the Islamic world, religious fundamentalism is an even bigger problem.

At least in the US, there is separation between church and state and there really is freedom of religion, at least in theory, or at least by fundamental law.

Things are very different in other parts of the world, where religion controls public discourse and Sharia rules the roost. I have some experience with Malaysia and Indonesia, but those are actually the least extreme Islamic countries in the world. The most extreme example is Wahhabism and its Syrian offshoot in the form of the Islamic State, at least until the Russians bombed them into oblivion.

Witness the plight of Yazidis, which I wrote about before. Their deity, Melek Taus, has been identified by Islamic Scholars as the Shaitan of the Quran, or in other words, the Satan of Monotheistic faiths. This despite the fact that Yezidi religion predates both Christianity and Islam by several thousand years and is as peaceful as you can get. It is now actually believed that Melek Taus is the Same Deity as Murugan in Southern India a very ancient pre-vedic deity that is also associated with the peacock and much revered in Tamil Nadu especially.

In any case, Muslims of the fundamentalist variety have determined that Yazidis are essentially devil-worshippers and as such can be treated worse than animals. During the reign of terror of the Islamic State, most of them were carried off into slavery, the women and children openly sold on slave markets and the men mostly killed. They made a serious effort to wipe out an ethnic and religious group in the middle east that has survived for thousands of years.

I'm only bringing it up to demonstrate the most extreme form of Satanic Panic and where it can lead a society even in the modern era. I see disturbing parallels with some people, particularly in the US, who combine fundamentalist Christian beliefs with the paranoia of the modern alt-right. Someone like Mike Adams or Alex Jones would be prime examples of this.

We're drifting miles off-topic again, but I must agree with what Chris wrote here-above. There is currently a lot of commotion again here in Western Europe ─ and most notably in France ─ because an 18-year old Chechnyan beheaded one of his teachers who had (in the course of cultural education) shown two anti-Islam cartoons in class that had previously been published in the French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo. The youngster acted on his own, but he did so because his religious entourage had put out a fatwa ─ essentially a death sentence ─ against the teacher for having shown those cartoons.

Religious insanity is just as dangerous ─ if not more, even ─ as political insanity, and especially so when it comes to religions that seek to unify church and state, as Islam does, and as Christianity did before it in the western hemisphere for approximately 800 years ─ a period now known as the Dark Ages, because it forbade and violently suppressed any kind of enlightenment and progress.

Malisa
20th October 2020, 08:06
I didn't see the deleted posts as all that big of a deal. So we had a little clash of the old guard vs. the new guard, so what? Not like there were F bombs flying or anything. Rob's a big boy and can handle himself, and Malisa has a lot of potential. To me it would be nice to see both Rob lay down his sword and actually give a bit of a history lesson to Malisa, not just criticize her, and Malisa to lay down her sword long enough to actually give a shit about the history of PA.

I think both are correct in that history matters, yet we can't get stuck there either.

To be fair, i don't ever remember someone asking "me" or anyone else about PA, they are mostly working towards explaining why Bill Ryan is not a good person, in the big picture. And this seems ridiculous because if you wanted me i could get banned here explaining why the same people criticizing him are exactly the same or worse, as human beings.

It is a total absolute, waste of time and energy and growth changes, to spend time here, while pretending you don't care at all


I'm not so sure the ground is barren. This kid seems to have a head on her shoulders, just not very long in the tooth life experience wise. I know what that's like. If she's smart as I think she might be, she'd at least hear your side of the story out in an objective manner.

As an aside, might moderation consider a time limit for Gio's ban on this thread? He's one of the few battle hardened veterans still around, and if the last offensive post in question was on par with the others that got deleted, it can't have been all that egregious to warrant a permanent.

I can see that the post produced the exact same results i expected

Experiment succes!

Would you like to know the criteria of my experiment, or should we just drop it now?



the ground is barren

Density is such a marvelous thing to observe. Internet egos are are/can be amazing

I would rather hear why "the kid" is wrong, than just beating around the bushes about it, but i don't know if i will *ever* get a real answer about it

Be specific, please, if anyone would be willing to come forward with the brutal truth that doesn't involve "we are older" and "we know better because we say so because otherwise our life means nothing"

Need to clarify, im not directing my post at you really Fred Steeves, i'm in general going to point a finger at this, even if as the mediocrity in human terms always says "if you point a finger at someone, 3 fingers may be pointing back at you" or such, which is just a way to say "i don't want you to tell my why i'm wrong, because i can't figure it out, so i'm going to tell you that if i'm wrong you must be third times way wronger than me, because my fear or accepting my mediocrity has this as the only way to escape my reality"

Chuckie
20th October 2020, 11:12
We're drifting miles off-topic again, but I must agree with what Chris wrote here-above. There is currently a lot of commotion again here in Western Europe ─ and most notably in France ─ because an 18-year old Chechnyan beheaded one of his teachers who had (in the course of cultural education) shown two anti-Islam cartoons in class that had previously been published in the French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo. The youngster acted on his own, but he did so because his religious entourage had put out a fatwa ─ essentially a death sentence ─ against the teacher for having shown those cartoons.

Religious insanity is just as dangerous ─ if not more, even ─ as political insanity, and especially so when it comes to religions that seek to unify church and state, as Islam does, and as Christianity did before it in the western hemisphere for approximately 800 years ─ a period now known as the Dark Ages, because it forbade and violently suppressed any kind of enlightenment and progress.

Enter the Grand Inquisitor...

Hi Malisa,

It's not a matter of right or wrong, or even a matter of good person, bad person ... it is a matter of ... of ... I forgot.

Dreamtimer
20th October 2020, 11:50
I like your backbone, Malisa. And though english may not be your first language, you're very good with it.

WantDisclosure started this thread. She was on a mission to confirm her ideas.

I have no personal feeling towards Bill. I have had bad and good impressions of him due to others' accounts. I personally have no clue as to what motivates him. I watched several of the early Project Camelot videos he made with Kerry Cassidy, years ago. My personal impression was that he's good with interviews due to his speaking skills. I saw him be rather rude to Kerry, which turned me off. But she may not have minded at all, I have no idea.

It's not enough to judge his motivations.

I could spend more time over there analyzing his posts and responses. But why would I do that? I can think of no reason.

I also have no idea why folks who say they're not really interested in forums come here and dump on us.

We're a small and friendly Shire. Those folks should go elsewhere.

Malisa
20th October 2020, 12:07
I like your backbone, Malisa. And though english may not be your first language, you're very good with it.

WantDisclosure started this thread. She was on a mission to confirm her ideas.

I have no personal feeling towards Bill. I have had bad and good impressions of him due to others' accounts. I personally have no clue as to what motivates him. I watched several of the early Project Camelot videos he made with Kerry Cassidy, years ago. My personal impression was that he's good with interviews due to his speaking skills. I saw him be rather rude to Kerry, which turned me off. But she may not have minded at all, I have no idea.

It's not enough to judge his motivations.

I could spend more time over there analyzing his posts and responses. But why would I do that? I can think of no reason.

I also have no idea why folks who say they're not really interested in forums come here and dump on us.

We're a small and friendly Shire. Those folks should go elsewhere.

Thank you <3

I just don't get why so many people waste energy here, while saying they "don't care"

But it's just a game in the end, "i'm going to speak in mysterious ways" and such. Because they do know better english than me and try to use that as a way to be "smarter"

Well i'm tired already so i'm going to post my usual question that so far, in the years i've been aware and around, no one can answer for real

"There's a flower growing up in the middle of a road" Why?

Let's watch that wisdom flow. And this is probably the last time i'm going to post on this thread

Thank you Dreamtimer for your time to be kind to me, i'm mostly never get that except for few people here and on avalon, and on twitter but just a few <3

Chuckie
20th October 2020, 12:22
Dearest Malisa, Never give up or abandon your principles. I know you are a little too old for this but it is something I explained to my daughter so she was aware when she was growing up. It's a book.

"The Myth of the Happy Child"

Dreamtimer
20th October 2020, 12:26
Flowers grow up in the road for the same reason trees grow on rock faces. Life is not to be denied. The beauty of the flower cannot be defeated.

Chuckie
20th October 2020, 12:30
nice!

Lord Sidious
20th October 2020, 21:57
I also would like to note, just this time, that it's not true that i never addressed his claims, i did in a very throughout way, to the point he was unable to reply and instead started attacking my person, saying insults like "you laugh like a donkey" and plenty other things such as "you are hedonist" because i had a healthy relationship with my gf, so what does that matter at all? He went from losing arguments to directly insult me and then he claims i was doing ad hominen attacks on him

This is all documented on Out of Mind forums and on Twitter, but once he was exposed he deleted his Twitter and youtube accounts and started using other accounts to attack people around

He also constantly made sure to remind me that as a woman, i was "lesser" than him, and acted in misogynist ways around me, basically calling me "impure" for just being me and having a gf at the time, he dislikes women very much, and i was attacked online because of it. Originally i tried talking to him but he rejected any attempt, i even offered to buy him some books he wanted to read on Amazon, but once he new i was a woman he rejected the offer, this is crazy wrong. And i can totally see he's still going with the hate

I don't know anything about any of this, but that's not on.


To be fair, i don't ever remember someone asking "me" or anyone else about PA, they are mostly working towards explaining why Bill Ryan is not a good person, in the big picture. And this seems ridiculous because if you wanted me i could get banned here explaining why the same people criticizing him are exactly the same or worse, as human beings.
And how would you do that, seeing as you don't know all of us, whereas we have known each other for years and you've been around bill for a year, when we know him far longer than that?


Density is such a marvelous thing to observe. Internet egos are are/can be amazing
On that we can agree. Amazing to see a 20+ years old blow in that knows it all about our past, but wasn't there and was actually in school at the time.


I would rather hear why "the kid" is wrong, than just beating around the bushes about it, but i don't know if i will *ever* get a real answer about it
No, you wouldn't, you would just waffle more shit like you've been doing and casting aspersions on people.


Be specific, please, if anyone would be willing to come forward with the brutal truth that doesn't involve "we are older" and "we know better because we say so because otherwise our life means nothing"
I haven't seen anyone saying that, but this is an example of the shit and aspersions I mentioned.

Oh and if you want kindness, it helps to give it out too..............

Dear Reader
21st October 2020, 12:35
Thank you <3

I just don't get why so many people waste energy here, while saying they "don't care"

But it's just a game in the end, "i'm going to speak in mysterious ways" and such. Because they do know better english than me and try to use that as a way to be "smarter"

Well i'm tired already so i'm going to post my usual question that so far, in the years i've been aware and around, no one can answer for real

"There's a flower growing up in the middle of a road" Why?

Let's watch that wisdom flow. And this is probably the last time i'm going to post on this thread

Thank you Dreamtimer for your time to be kind to me, i'm mostly never get that except for few people here and on avalon, and on twitter but just a few <3


Ohhh go on then, enlighten me please?

I may be old(er) and not as wise, so i'll surrender to your higher philosophical intellect. I'm not very comfortable with loaded-navel-gazing questions, such as the above.

I tell ya what I am comfortable with though, and that's who I am, and my current position in the scheme of things, philosophically speaking of course.

Et toi?

Chuckie
21st October 2020, 12:38
what is .fk?

Dear Reader
21st October 2020, 13:10
what is .fk?


? I don't see it.

Edit: Ahhhhh, sorry, location.

Falkland Isles, Islas Malvinas to certain South Americans.

It's a collection of rocks in the Southern Atlantic.

Chuckie
21st October 2020, 13:46
ooohhh, i thought that was a British flag, I guess it is a British protectorate?

Aragorn
21st October 2020, 13:51
ooohhh, i thought that was a British flag, I guess it is a British protectorate?

It is officially part of the British Commonwealth.

Wind
21st October 2020, 14:20
There's so much to know!

rNu8XDBSn10

Chuckie
21st October 2020, 14:51
WOW! lol, thanks, I think ... :)

bottom line (and staying with the season) it must be colder than a Witch's you know what in the Falkland Islands? Or does the NAD/s keep it warm... :)

Chuckie
21st October 2020, 15:02
I guess it doesn't go that far south but the climate is relatively 'oceanic'

Dear Reader
21st October 2020, 15:40
WOW! lol, thanks, I think ... :)

bottom line (and staying with the season) it must be colder than a Witch's you know what in the Falkland Islands? Or does the NAD/s keep it warm... :)


Cold.......?

Sh*t yes, although..................................... I've never been.

I've heard it's cold though.

Does that count??

:rolleyes:

Chuckie
21st October 2020, 16:32
lol ... yeah, that counts big time ... :)

Exit 0
21st October 2020, 21:34
It's been a long time since I posted on this website, so, I'm not going to read-through 718 cimments to catch-up.

I was banned from PA as the member "observer". 2508

When I was banned, Mr. Ryan wrote me a private message detailing how he had read-through my private messages, between myself and a member friend, whom Bill refered to as my "sock puppet".
He told me how he could see (from the dialogue) how I had tried to "moderate" this friend's offensive public comments (offensive, of course, to Bill Ryan).
He also told me that he regreated banning me, but that it had been the decission of the Moderating Team.

Just recently, Bill granted my friend's membership back. Upon which he sent my friend on a fact-finding mission about France, to locate the whereabouts of his missing pet moderator Herve'

I mention all this, because it has long been my suspicion that Project Avalon is a 'honeypot trap' - for the express use of Bill Ryan.

My friend, of course, is an attractive female.

Dear Reader
21st October 2020, 21:58
lol ... yeah, that counts big time ... :)

Heh..........

Yeah, the reason for the flag of the Falklands as my location is because....... Well, what are flags anyway? What does it mean?? What does it REALLY mean???

Errr..... Sorry, bit of a tangent there.

Yeah, so... Flags.

Well, mine ain't there so, Falklands, why not? Not seen it used on a forum before........ And........ All Flags Matter... So. Yep, there it is.

All that really matters though, is that I'm here, just like yoos all.

Or am I?


What about that chair?

It's not solid you know.

Dear Reader
21st October 2020, 22:08
It's been a long time since I posted on this website, so, I'm not going to read-through 718 cimments to catch-up.

I was banned from PA as the member "observer". 2508

When I was banned, Mr. Ryan wrote me a private message detailing how he had read-through my private messages, between myself and a member friend, whom Bill refered to as my "sock puppet".
He told me how he could see (from the dialogue) how I had tried to "moderate" this friend's offensive public comments (offensive, of course, to Bill Ryan).
He also told me that he regreated banning me, but that it had been the decission of the Moderating Team.

Just recently, Bill granted my friend's membership back. Upon which he sent my friend on a fact-finding mission about France, to locate the whereabouts of his missing pet moderator Herve'

I mention all this, because it has long been my suspicion that Project Avalon is a 'honeypot trap' - for the express use of Bill Ryan.

My friend, of course, is an attractive female.


Wowzers!

That's a bit Coco-Moloko. I thought it was a well established fact that members private messages cannot be read by anyone, including Bill?

Do you know how your private conversations where able to be read?

"whom Bill refered to as my "sock puppet"

So was the implication that you where having a conversation, via the private message facility, with yourself using a "sock-puppet" account? Have I got that right?

As for Herve, are you sure that your recently enfolded friend has been given that mission? I could swear-down that the Big H is back on the board under a different guise, and has been for some time.

But, I could be completely wrong about that. Odds are, I probably am.

Ahhhhhh Haaaaaa......... Yes, the old attractive female fan-dance, it's one of natures marvels. Well practiced and beautifully executed, it really is a thing of beauty, in and of itself.

Chuckie
21st October 2020, 22:18
:) so true ...

Exit 0
21st October 2020, 22:36
Wowzers!

That's a bit Coco-Moloko. I thought it was a well established fact that members private messages cannot be read by anyone, including Bill?

Do you know how your private conversations where able to be read?

"whom Bill refered to as my "sock puppet"

So was the implication that you where having a conversation, via the private message facility, with yourself using a "sock-puppet" account? Have I got that right?

As for Herve, are you sure that your recently enfolded friend has been given that mission? I could swear-down that the Big H is back on the board under a different guise, and has been for some time.

But, I could be completely wrong about that. Odds are, I probably am.

Ahhhhhh Haaaaaa......... Yes, the old attractive female fan-dance, it's one of natures marvels. Well practiced and beautifully executed, it really is a thing of beauty, in and of itself.

Dear Reader,

I assure you the friend Bill called my "sock puppet" is a real-live woman who lives in France. I have been internet friends with this individual, since long before the two of us joined PA, well over a decade ago.

Back in the summer, apearantly, Herve' had drank himself into kidney failure, and was eventually located, checked-into a French hospital, on a dialisis machine.

If any administrator tells you that your private messages can't be read, they are lying to you. Creepy Paul (a retired administrator @ PA) used to lurk in-and-out of the member's private messages all the time.

Dear Reader
21st October 2020, 22:51
Dear Reader,

I assure you the friend Bill called my "sock puppet" is a real-live woman who lives in France. I have been internet friends with this individual, since long before the two of us joined PA, well over a decade ago.

Back in the summer, apearantly, Herve' had drank himself into kidney failure, and was eventually located, checked-into a French hospital, on a dialisis machine.

If any administrator tells you that your private messages can't be read, they are lying to you. Creepy Paul (a retired administrator @ PA) used to lurk in-and-out of the member's private messages all the time.


Wow.

Thanks for your reply Exit 0.

It is not the first time, by a long way, that I've heard this about PM's. Luckily there is a staff member here who was, until very recently, a staff member at PA. He has given a detailed explanation of how it is not possible for members PM's to be read by staff. Maybe he'll see this and comment.

I knew H had been ill and hospitalised, I wasn't aware it was by his own hand. I wouldn't wish the hell of addiction on anyone, I sincerely hope he gets the help he needs.

Wind
21st October 2020, 22:53
If any administrator tells you that your private messages can't be read, they are lying to you. Creepy Paul (a retired administrator @ PA) used to lurk in-and-out of the member's private messages all the time.

Are you calling Aragorn a liar too?

Exit 0
21st October 2020, 23:24
Are you calling Aragorn a liar too?

Directly from the mouth of BR's X-wife, Christine - with whom I remain friends, as well (Not the woman I spoke of in my comment)

P.S. I could tell you things about how Private Messages are used at PA that would make your head spin, however, these things were told to me in confidence. So, I will honor that confidence.

Lord Sidious
21st October 2020, 23:45
Dear Reader,

I assure you the friend Bill called my "sock puppet" is a real-live woman who lives in France. I have been internet friends with this individual, since long before the two of us joined PA, well over a decade ago.

Back in the summer, apearantly, Herve' had drank himself into kidney failure, and was eventually located, checked-into a French hospital, on a dialisis machine.

If any administrator tells you that your private messages can't be read, they are lying to you. Creepy Paul (a retired administrator @ PA) used to lurk in-and-out of the member's private messages all the time.

It's true and it's not.
There is a plugin for all V Bulletin forums, like this one, that enables it.
It was there on Avalon when Richard was running the show, not sure about Paul, I would suspect it was still there, but Aragornugget says it wasn't installed when he was an admin and I believe him.
Even though he's a nugget..............

Exit 0
21st October 2020, 23:53
To whom it may concern:

Everything I've spoken, here-in, is with regard to Project Avalon.

I have no information about "The One Truth".

I was commenting about how I know it works at PA.

Exit 0
22nd October 2020, 00:39
This is how Christine (the admin @ earthempaths) explains it.

She started a Thread about this "reading PM's" issue, here:
https://earthempaths.net/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=1353#p1353

Be sure to read-down through the comments to gain a better understanding of how PM's can be viewed by an Admin.

Malisa
22nd October 2020, 01:01
Ohhh go on then, enlighten me please?

I may be old(er) and not as wise, so i'll surrender to your higher philosophical intellect. I'm not very comfortable with loaded-navel-gazing questions, such as the above.

I tell ya what I am comfortable with though, and that's who I am, and my current position in the scheme of things, philosophically speaking of course.

Et toi?

It's a game of perceptions of course, i thought that it would have been obvious from several posts back

But you did not attempt to answer my question about the flower

It is a clear question, why is it in the middle of the road? And by the way that's pure simple Zen

No need to get all defensive, that only means something may have been hit inside you, it's better to really ask, and not consider me "arrogant or ignorant while assuming i know better than you"

Malisa
22nd October 2020, 01:22
I don't know anything about any of this, but that's not on.


And how would you do that, seeing as you don't know all of us, whereas we have known each other for years and you've been around bill for a year, when we know him far longer than that?


On that we can agree. Amazing to see a 20+ years old blow in that knows it all about our past, but wasn't there and was actually in school at the time.


No, you wouldn't, you would just waffle more shit like you've been doing and casting aspersions on people.


I haven't seen anyone saying that, but this is an example of the shit and aspersions I mentioned.

Oh and if you want kindness, it helps to give it out too..............

Going to skip explaining every single point, because all are the same to me

Let me explain what happened, since you completely missed it :P

Perceptions are easy to manipulate, just like i did, you said all that yet you already formed a perception of me, one that is not true, because i played with your brain (and i'm sorry about that) but you fell for it very easy

The simple way to explain why i know this, is you you resorted to insult intellects with your simple comment about "barren"

That's just lamentable, even though i had given hints before, you were lead so easy that it made me uneasy to continue, but even after i gave another hint, you still missed and came up with this post where you again, continue to fall for it, on your own!

The truth is that your internet ego got hit, so you just resorted to insult my intellect

And you continue to do, while being easily lead into the perception i designed for you to follow, again and again and again

And at this point, i don't believe you can discern if i am leading you again, or i'm being fully honest

Because you already formed an opinion about me, from all the things i said. So if you are so easily manipulated, then your opinion about things is compromised, because anyone could have lead you into believing whatever you are believing now, in the same way i did just here on this thread

I don't need to listen to someone older than me that can be easily manipulated and can't see beyond the obvious

You could be 100 years old, that doesn't mean you did not spend the last 80 years of your life repeating the same mistake over and over

And since you seem to believe, right from the beginning, that age has something to do with respect. Then i believe the same, because i will treat you in the same way as you did to me, as a kid, because of your behavior, acting like a hurt kid, trying to look down on me from your position in life instead of being humble and acting with kindness and patience

Like i said, "it's all perceptions, and internet egos"

The question you should probably be asking to yourself is, if someone older than you came and said the same, would you just respect it because the person is older, or would you be offended by it, and try to belittle the person because there's no way your authority and knowledge can be challenged? You could say " i would if i see wisdom on that person" but he would say "you know nothing kid", and would you? You are younger after all, how can you even begin to understand what the older person knows? By your own standards, "the land is barren"

Whatever you do. that's up to you, i don't find anything here anymore, so bye

So that's that

Lord Sidious
22nd October 2020, 01:42
Going to skip explaining every single point, because all are the same to me

Let me explain what happened, since you completely missed it :P

Perceptions are easy to manipulate, just like i did, you said all that yet you already formed a perception of me, one that is not true, because i played with your brain (and i'm sorry about that) but you fell for it very easy

The simple way to explain why i know this, is you you resorted to insult intellects with your simple comment about "barren"

That's just lamentable, even though i had given hints before, you were lead so easy that it made me uneasy to continue, but even after i gave another hint, you still missed and came up with this post where you again, continue to fall for it, on your own!

The truth is that your internet ego got hit, so you just resorted to insult my intellect

And you continue to do, while being easily lead into the perception i designed for you to follow, again and again and again

And at this point, i don't believe you can discern if i am leading you again, or i'm being fully honest

Because you already formed an opinion about me, from all the things i said. So if you are so easily manipulated, then your opinion about things is compromised, because anyone could have lead you into believing whatever you are believing now, in the same way i did just here on this thread

I don't need to listen to someone older than me that can be easily manipulated and can't see beyond the obvious

You could be 100 years old, that doesn't mean you did not spend the last 80 years of your life repeating the same mistake over and over

And since you seem to believe, right from the beginning, that age has something to do with respect. Then i believe the same, because i will treat you in the same way as you did to me, as a kid, because of your behavior, acting like a hurt kid, trying to look down on me from your position in life instead of being humble and acting with kindness and patience

Like i said, "it's all perceptions, and internet egos"

The question you should probably be asking to yourself is, if someone older than you came and said the same, would you just respect it because the person is older, or would you be offended by it, and try to belittle the person because there's no way your authority and knowledge can be challenged? You could say " i would if i see wisdom on that person" but he would say "you know nothing kid", and would you? You are younger after all, how can you even begin to understand what the older person knows? By your own standards, "the land is barren"

Whatever you do. that's up to you, i don't find anything here anymore, so bye

So that's that

Actually, no.
I didn't bother to play your game.
I'm not interested in playing games with people online.
I'm old school, I say what I mean and mean what I say.
And, in this post I quote, you continue with your bullshit.

Aragorn
22nd October 2020, 05:20
It's been a long time since I posted on this website, so, I'm not going to read-through 718 cimments to catch-up.

I was banned from PA as the member "observer". 2508

When I was banned, Mr. Ryan wrote me a private message detailing how he had read-through my private messages, between myself and a member friend, whom Bill refered to as my "sock puppet".
He told me how he could see (from the dialogue) how I had tried to "moderate" this friend's offensive public comments (offensive, of course, to Bill Ryan).


Wowzers!

That's a bit Coco-Moloko. I thought it was a well established fact that members private messages cannot be read by anyone, including Bill?

Do you know how your private conversations where able to be read?

The staff members at Project Avalon have no direct access to any member's private messages. However, when a member hits the report button on a private message, then this generates a report thread in the mod room, and then this report thread will contain a copy of the private message that was reported. And then the moderators can indeed see that copy, and then commonly, a discussion will ensue on that thread regarding whatever the problem is.

And just in case you're wondering, this below is what a report thread looks like ─ it is similar for reported private messages, albeit that the title will then read "Reported Private Message".





Reported Post by Qwerty

Qwerty (http://jandeane81.com/members/1840-Qwerty) has reported a post.

Reason:
What's he talking about?!! I am not a dummy! I am very smart!

I demand that this administrator be fired from the staff immediately! :cracky:
Post: Dummy Thread — please ignore. (http://jandeane81.com/threads/9757?p=841955631#post841955631)
Forum: Sensitive Topics & Discussions
Assigned Moderators: Church, bsbray, Dreamtimer, Elen

Posted by: Aragorn (http://jandeane81.com/members/1483-Aragorn)
Original Content:
We have a member by the name Qwerty, but this is a dummy account for testing purposes. It's not an actual person.






As for Herve, are you sure that your recently enfolded friend has been given that mission? I could swear-down that the Big H is back on the board under a different guise, and has been for some time.

He is back at Project Avalon, but not as a staff member. He is currently posting there again under the name Gwin Ru.





Back in the summer, apearantly, Herve' had drank himself into kidney failure, and was eventually located, checked-into a French hospital, on a dialisis machine.

That's a pretty serious allegation, and if true, then none of the Project Avalon staff members know about it.

All we know is that Hervé became ill with some undefined respiratory disease, combined with brain fog, numbness in his limbs, and a few other symptoms, and as it would become clear ─ among other things, through the private messages to the staff from the female member you speak of, and I've seen those, because Bill reported them to the mod room ─ that Hervé must have contracted an early infection with Covid-19. All symptoms described seemed to indicate that, but at first the doctors couldn't decide what he had, because they had never come across anything like that. For all I know, Hervé could have been France's Patient Zero of Covid-19.

There was zero mention of anything to do with kidney failure due to alcohol abuse.


If any administrator tells you that your private messages can't be read, they are lying to you. Creepy Paul (a retired administrator @ PA) used to lurk in-and-out of the member's private messages all the time.

False. The plugin through which an administrator can read private messages was installed by former Project Avalon administrator Richard, and when Richard left and Ilie Pandia took over, Ilie ─ who himself is a vBulletin developer ─ discovered that plugin in the Admin Control Panel, and he reported it to Bill. Bill then immediately ordered Ilie to remove that plugin from the vBulletin installation, and it hasn't been there anymore since.

Paul Jackson has never had access to that plugin, and has therefore never been able to read any members' private messages. And Bill hasn't either, because he didn't even know that Richard had installed that plugin until Ilie found out about it.





It is not the first time, by a long way, that I've heard this about PM's.

And it won't be the last time either. That rumor keeps on periodically popping up.


Luckily there is a staff member here who was, until very recently, a staff member at PA. He has given a detailed explanation of how it is not possible for members PM's to be read by staff. Maybe he'll see this and comment.

I will post a more complete explanation farther below.


I knew H had been ill and hospitalised, I wasn't aware it was by his own hand. I wouldn't wish the hell of addiction on anyone, I sincerely hope he gets the help he needs.

To the best of my knowledge ─ and as far as any staff member at Project Avalon knows ─ Hervé's condition was due to an early infection with Covid-19 and had nothing to do with alcohol abuse.

I've had Covid-19 myself ─ twice now, i.e. once early in April 2020 and just now again, early October 2020 ─ so I know what it did to me, and I recognize the symptoms. But the symptoms can vary greatly, both in nature and in severity, depending on one's blood type and one's genetic makeup. People with blood types O and B are less affected than people with blood types A or AB, and people with a higher percentage of Neanderthal DNA are also more violently affected than those with a lower percentage.








If any administrator tells you that your private messages can't be read, they are lying to you. Creepy Paul (a retired administrator @ PA) used to lurk in-and-out of the member's private messages all the time.Are you calling Aragorn a liar too?

Directly from the mouth of BR's X-wife, Christine - with whom I remain friends, as well (Not the woman I spoke of in my comment)

P.S. I could tell you things about how Private Messages are used at PA that would make your head spin, however, these things were told to me in confidence. So, I will honor that confidence.

It's true and it's not.
There is a plugin for all V Bulletin forums, like this one, that enables it.
It was there on Avalon when Richard was running the show, not sure about Paul, I would suspect it was still there, but Aragornugget says it wasn't installed when he was an admin and I believe him.
Even though he's a nugget..............

Yes, this is not a standard builtin in vBulletin. It requires a plugin, but I will provide for a complete technical explanation below.





This is how Christine (the admin @ earthempaths) explains it.

She started a Thread about this "reading PM's" issue, here:
https://earthempaths.net/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=1353#p1353

Be sure to read-down through the comments to gain a better understanding of how PM's can be viewed by an Admin.

It wasn't Christine ─ whom I hold in high regard ─ who explained the mechanism. Christine wrote that Project Avalon's moderators can read private messages because that is what she believes, based upon her misunderstanding of things. The person explaining on that thread "how it's done" is Earth Empaths member Pluto's Child, who happens to be one and the same person as former The One Truth administrator Spiral.

That which Spiral is talking about is not a plugin for reading private messages ─ such a plugin does exist, and it was that plugin that Richard had installed over at Project Avalon, which Ilie discovered after Richard had left the building, and then Ilie uninstalled that plugin, as per Bill's direct and immediate order.

The plugin that Spiral is talking about is not installed at Project Avalon, but we do have it installed here. It is not a plugin for reading private messages, but for being able to log into any registered account without requiring a password. But as you can all understand, this is such a sensitive issue ─ not to mention the amount of paranoia going round within this so-called alternative community ─ that not every staff member has access to that. In fact, one has to be an administrator, and one has to be explicitly allowed to use the plugin via a separate security setting. Only Malc and I myself have access to that plugin, and even if we were to appoint any of the other staff members here in the role of administrator today, then they still wouldn't have access to that plugin.

The use of this plugin is also recorded in the system log, with the name of the administrator who uses it, against which member account, and at what time on what day. In practice, Malc is never here, so I'm the only one who ever uses it, and I'm only using it against the Qwerty account, which is a test account. It saves me the trouble of logging out of my regular session and logging into the Qwerty account, or pulling up another browser ─ which may then also yield other results ─ in which I then log into Qwerty directly via its login and password.

I have in the past also used it against one of the purple moderator accounts, because I needed to set up their permissions, and this is done in a quite different manner from setting up the super moderator permissions. Purple moderators have to be assigned as local moderators to individual forum categories ─ and their power then extends into all categories below that one, but not beyond the parent category ─ and my predecessor had not told me how he had set up those permissions, so I had to set them up with trial and error.

So, yes, I have the ability to log into any account here ─ including Malc's ─ and if I wanted to, I could use that access for reading their private messages. If I wanted to. But I don't. I am ethically opposed to the use of this plugin for that purpose, but we've installed it for in the event that a court order might mandate its use ─ e.g. in an investigation against a suspected pedophile or a potential terrorist who'd be using the forum for communicating with his cronies.

Now that we no longer have purple moderators anymore and that the member accounts all have the correct permissions, I haven't had a need to use the plugin anymore in a very long time. And Malc's visits to the forum are limited to less than a minute in duration, unless he has a thread to post or there is something he should look at in the mod room ─ he does receive notification emails, so he'll receive thread updates regarding what we post in the mod room, or when someone sends him a PM.

Again, not only are we ethically opposed to the abuse of this plugin for reading members' private messages, but we generally also wouldn't even have the time to do that if we wanted to. Malc is a busy man with a daytime job, a wife and five kids, two of whom are officially on the autism spectrum. And I myself am also a moderator at the Manjaro forum, where I'm moving threads around and replying to posts from newbies all the time.

But that's all beside the point. The point is that we don't have any inclination toward reading any member's private messages, and that we are ethically opposed to it. And over at Project Avalon, they don't even have that plugin, nor do they have the plugin that allows a staff member to directly read a member's private messages ─ which we don't have over here either, for that matter.

In the end, it all boils down to whether you trust us or whether you don't. And if you don't ─ I'm addressing the impersonal "you" here ─ then what the hell are you even doing here? And if you're so paranoid that you can't trust us, then you should be even more paranoid about using GMail as your email provider, because with them you're in even bigger trouble. They can and do read your private messages, even if it's only a primitive A.I. doing it. They do it so as to be able to ascertain what advertisements you would be most interested in, and I believe it's even mentioned in their terms of service ─ it either way became public knowledge a few years ago already.

And Facebook is even worse. If you have the Facebook Messenger app on your smartphone, then it will upload the entire content of your phone's address book to Facebook, along with all of your contacts' phone numbers, home addresses, photos and whatever other private information, regardless of whether any of them are Facebook users or not.

If you're really paranoid, then you should disconnect your computer (or other device) from the internet immediately, and especially if you're using a computer running Microsoft Windows or Apple macOS. Because both of these operating systems have a backdoor that allows their respective manufacturer to remotely control your computer. It was even in the news only two days ago that Microsoft is now remotely forcing the installation of certain Office 365 components on Windows 10 computers, and Apple can also do this sort of thing in macOS.

Both Microsoft and Apple can force you to upgrade your system ─ for whatever constitutes "an upgrade" in their case ─ without that you have the ability to refuse that. After all, if you read the EULA ("end-user license agreement") ─ and who ever does, right? ─ then it clearly points out that the software you're using remains their property ─ not yours ─ even while it's installed on your computer, and by consequence, that they possess the legal right to dictate what you can and cannot do with your computer.

So, you ─ the impersonal "you" ─ are running Microsoft Windows or Apple macOS on your computer, you're using GMail or Hotmail for your email traffic, you're on Facebook and/or Instagram, and you use WhatsApp or Facebook Messenger on your phone, but you're worried about a couple of well-intending moderators on some obscure forum being able to read your private messages?

And I'll say even more... If I had even an inkling of a bad intention within me, then I wouldn't have explained above how any of this works, including the stuff about the plugin. I could just as easily have kept my lips sealed and pretended that my nose was bleeding. But I didn't. I've put my cards out on the table. That should tell you all something about my integrity.

Enough said... :frusty:

Malisa
22nd October 2020, 05:57
Actually, no.
I didn't bother to play your game.
I'm not interested in playing games with people online.
I'm old school, I say what I mean and mean what I say.
And, in this post I quote, you continue with your bullshit.
Of course not, you were not even aware of it happening, but i'ts ok, i don't care anymore, i let you go.

IT is very clear by all your answers that you were not aware of anything, you gave away your thoughts easily, and followed through with "the design"

I don't know why your ego is so hurt, because who cares what someone else says on the internet? It almost seems as your personal, real life ego was also hurt, and that would be bad, but don't allow that, why allow it? Words are just words

I could say, you were completely out of your usual character on this last post, it was a bit naive and tired, but.. There will be always someone that comes around and makes you feel bad, why even bother? Don't let resentment take over you, ever

I don't even know what to say anymore, i think it's really time for me to leave this alone, please excuse me now

Lord Sidious
22nd October 2020, 06:03
Dunno about you nugg, but I never trusted Paul or Ilie.
From my experience with them behind the scenes, they were as legit as a flat tyre............

Aragorn
22nd October 2020, 06:36
Dunno about you nugg, but I never trusted Paul or Ilie.
From my experience with them behind the scenes, they were as legit as a flat tyre............

Well, all I can say is that I've been up and down that list of plugins in the Project Avalon Admin Control Panel, and they don't have any such plugin installed. :noidea:

Malisa
22nd October 2020, 06:45
Well, all I can say is that I've been up and down that list of plugins in the Project Avalon Admin Control Panel, and they don't have any such plugin installed. :noidea:


I would never believe Avalon has such a thing, because as far and as i have experienced, there's integrity there, and if someone people dislike the idea and refuse to accept it due to personal bias, well it is what it is

Lord Sidious
22nd October 2020, 07:21
Well, all I can say is that I've been up and down that list of plugins in the Project Avalon Admin Control Panel, and they don't have any such plugin installed. :noidea:

I didn't mean about that specifically.
I know it was there after Richard, Paul used it, but when it was removed, I don't know...........

Aragorn
22nd October 2020, 12:47
I have blocked Malisa from this thread, as per her own request. In the process, I've also cleaned up this page of the thread. Now let's keep it civil, shall we? :unsure:

Lord Sidious
22nd October 2020, 13:12
I have blocked Malisa from this thread, as per her own request. In the process, I've also cleaned up this page of the thread. Now let's keep it civil, shall we? :unsure:

Probably a good thing.
For someone done replying to comments on the thread, she kept coming back.
Sort of like a narcissistic boomerang.............

Aragorn
22nd October 2020, 13:15
I have blocked Malisa from this thread, as per her own request. In the process, I've also cleaned up this page of the thread. Now let's keep it civil, shall we? :unsure:

Probably a good thing.
For someone done replying to comments on the thread, she kept coming back.
Sort of like a narcissistic boomerang.............

More like OCD, but let's not talk behind her back.

Lord Sidious
22nd October 2020, 13:19
More like OCD, but let's not talk behind her back.

She can't even view this thread?

Aragorn
22nd October 2020, 13:28
She can't even view this thread?

No, she can't. She'll receive a notification that she has been ─ and I quote ─ "removed from the discussion". She requested it herself, as well as to not receive any more notifications regarding this thread.

I've given her the instructions on how to unsubscribe from the thread, and I do agree that it was the best solution for avoiding further conflict on this thread.

Exit 0
22nd October 2020, 13:55
Aragorn, I have no desire to drag this out any further than it has gotten. In my first commennt (#719), I inadvertantly stepped-into an unrelated debate. All my later comments, were answers to questions the other members asked of me.


It wasn't Christine ─ whom I hold in high regard ─ who explained the mechanism. Christine wrote that Project Avalon's moderators can read private messages because that is what she believes, based upon her misunderstanding of things. The person explaining on that thread "how it's done" is Earth Empaths member Pluto's Child, who happens to be one and the same person as former The One Truth administrator Spiral.
Actually, the OP message in that "Private messages...." Thread at EE, was a copy-and-past of an entry at the EE website, written by cristian. Pluto's Child (Spiral) made comments in the Thread, but my understanding is, that cristian wrote the OP message that Christine used.


That's a pretty serious allegation, and if true, then none of the Project Avalon staff members know about it.
I'm only reporting it, how it was told to me, and from memory back-to late May or early June. I tried to find the message where it was reported, but was unsuccessful in getting that far back in a FaceBook PM format.

I have reported my Project Avalon experience accurately. When I was banned, Bill Ryan himself, advised me that he had read my private messages, and "could see that I had attempted to moderate (name withheld)"

Additionally, I'm aware of much more regarding the harvesting of private messages at Project Avalon, but to discuss these alligations would be breaking a private trust.

Like you, Aragorn, I too am a man of integrity.

Lord Sidious
22nd October 2020, 13:59
I've given her the instructions on how to unsubscribe from the thread, and I do agree that it was the best solution for avoiding further conflict on this thread.

Displaying some manners and respect to others is a far superior method, but when that's not possible, beating the retreat is acceptable.......

Dreamtimer
22nd October 2020, 14:02
If those messages were reported, then they could be read. Do you know if that is what happened?

Exit 0
22nd October 2020, 14:16
If those messages were reported, then they could be read. Do you know if that is what happened?

Dreamtimer,
If you are refering to the messages that I am talking about, the only ppl who could have possibly "reported" them would have to be a PA mod, or admin.

All of the messages in question, were exclusively between (name withheld) and my self. I know the other party didn't "report" them.

donk
24th October 2020, 05:21
Again, your perception of things based on your own beliefs, are not "official"

Can you possibly show me the documents where Bill Ryan has documented his "Church" and let me remind you that posts on the internet, that affect someone else's ego, are not "official" in anyway, specially, again, when the purpose/meaning/effect is determined by every person's perspective

And second, the post i replied to, was about Scientology, not the stupidity about US politics, why did you change to this issue?

I never mentioned, or care about the idiot US politics, so it seems odd you changed to that narrative so suddenly

But yet, "The Church of Scientology" and the "Free Zone" are not the same, at all, separation of identity comes to mind

Do you think all Asians are Chinese, or all Chinese are Asian? Are there possibly some Russian that are also Asians? What about the Cossacks, are they Asian? Or Russian, or Azerbaijanis?

Maybe because Azerbaijani people have beliefs in Islam it means they are also Turkish, or Iranians?

I could show you “docs”.

Wanna see the DM he sent me HERE to tell me how irresponsible I was to expose the unlightened to the OT3?

I’m a bit behind and maybe ya got straightened out, but the Project is looking a bit white supremisist to me, and I think you’ll end up a bit disappointed putting faith in old bill

araucaria
24th October 2020, 11:26
The endless controversy over private messages may have a simple explanation. PMs per se are off limits, yes, but member-to-member exchanges (Visitor messages) gathered up into conversations on a member’s personal page are readable by all members and no non-members. Some people (perhaps not all) may well be talking at cross-purposes.

Lord Sidious
24th October 2020, 14:12
I could show you “docs”.

Wanna see the DM he sent me HERE to tell me how irresponsible I was to expose the unlightened to the OT3?

I’m a bit behind and maybe ya got straightened out, but the Project is looking a bit white supremisist to me, and I think you’ll end up a bit disappointed putting faith in old bill

She can't see any posts in the thread anymore