What Motivates Bill Ryan of Project Avalon Community Forum?

[Aragorn]

We did seriously wonder whether Christine was his 'minder': [...]

Meanwhile, she bustled here and there, and seemed to be more in charge ...

Back when I myself was still a member at La Casa Del Sombrero™, one of my friends there was a woman who had visited and stayed with The Hat Man™ and Christine at their house in Ecuador, and she described Christine as being a lot more active. According to what she said, you could give Bill a rusty chair or a log of wood to sit on, and he didn't care, so long as he had a place to sit. But the house was all tidy and neatly organized, and that was all Christine's work.

I myself am regularly in touch with Christine, and she's a doer. She takes initiatives in which she can direct her energy, and she's very introspective and conscientious. A woman of honor. El Sombrero™ on the other hand is a ruthless opportunist and a narcissist, while he's actually more like a faint shadow of the man he wants the world to think he is.

[araucaria]

it's sad to say that he came across as a man without a cause in desperate need of a 'mission'.


It IS very sad, and the normal reaction is to want to help. But of course, it is a difficult thing to get through to anyone needing help, partly because they can’t trust you.


Could be another MILAB?

I don’t see milabs and all that stuff being the cause of the problem as actually part of the problem. There are plenty of ways of getting messed up with no outside help, and such things are more likely the doings of the messed up, or at least a positive feedback mechanism. You can get messed up just as well by joining an intelligence agency as by being a target. These agencies are not only the source of the term ‘conspiracy theory’, they are its prime victims. ‘Trust no one’ is not a viable recipe for healthy living.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?95745-CIA-Good-Guy-Robert-David-Steele&p=1131361&viewfull=1#post1131361

[Emil El Zapato]

I wonder if he's just not uncomfortable interacting with people in his 'role'. It certainly wouldn't be unprecedented. He was thrust into the limelight due to his connections and maybe it actually overwhelmed him.

[Aragorn]

I wonder if he's just not uncomfortable interacting with people in his 'role'. It certainly wouldn't be unprecedented. He was thrust into the limelight due to his connections and maybe it actually overwhelmed him.

I think you're giving him way too much credit. ;)

[Fred Steeves]

He was thrust into the limelight due to his connections and maybe it actually overwhelmed him.

Well yes and no. The limelight indeed came through his connections, but it certainly was not thrust on him. Bill was eating that shit up, and still does whenever he sees an opportunity. Or haven't you noticed?...

Do you even know the circumstances of his launch? Because it's hard to imagine you would say that if you did.

[Emil El Zapato]

Hey Fred,

I'm not remembering the details right now but we've had this discussion before. I read the book and saw his name and was duly impressed. In any case, he's obviously damaged in some fashion. My analogy is that writers, for example, can be amazingly articulate in print but if someone tries to interview them they appear as brick walls and folded arms. In other words, in self-protection mode. It was just a thought, Occam's Razor and all that. Groups of people can twist reality into some amazing contortions.

No one really deserves to be beaten to a pulp, not even Trump (maybe). It's my opinion, such folks just need to move on, unless they are unable which means they have the masochistic streak that compels them to act in a fashion that is really counter-productive to their own well being.

The thing is that Bill Ryan seems to be wounded... :) but I don't know enough about him personally to really know.

[Dumpster Diver]

The last several posts make me think BR could be an extreme introvert who learned performing behavior thru his Scientologist buddies. In unguarded moments, you lapse back into the introvert phase. Then, when "on stage" another learned personal emerges. David Wilcock does this, but he actually talks about it.

On a similar note, anyone noticing the sun's impact on your behaviors? I'm seeing a corellation with Ben Davidson's Kp index (http://spaceweathernews.com) and my crazed behavior. The good thing is, I can see the index rise and mentally "clamp" it down.

[Emil El Zapato]

Absolutely, Dumpy (Do you mind that shortnane, I mean it in a friendly way) that is something, I would really consider. Not sure about the scientology part of it, but surely by nature it is possible.

[Dumpster Diver]

Absolutely, Dumpy (Do you mind that shortnane, I mean it in a friendly way) that is something, I would really consider. Not sure about the scientology part of it, but surely by nature it is possible.

Dumpy is good, DARK NIGHT Dumpy is even better :dan:

I point this out as I'm an extreme introvert. I had to learn "performance personalities" to get along in life and succeed. There is a video on Cary Grant who transformed his persona in much the same way. It's on Netflix or Amazon, I forget which. Point is, many folks think I'm an extrovert. Not so, in unguarded moments I go straight back to my old turtle-like behaviors as I can't be in performance mode all the time. I've not been around BR, but from the descriptions, I can see a resemblance.

...now I just need to get my DND cult going. Black Kool-aid? Naw...

[Emil El Zapato]

Hey Darky... :)

yeah, that's my point...Myself, I've gone back and forth a number of times, depending on how my life is going. Sometimes very badly, sometimes not so badly. I actually tend to believe that 'by nature' I was an extrovert and then squashed into introversion. At least, that's what I wanted to believe until my daughter was born. She certainly is not an extrovert, more self-contained than anything. She has no problem performing in front of people, but she doesn't liked being 'f*cked' with. I was adopted so I never really knew what parts of me were nature vs. nurture but she has helped resolve many of those questions. My daughter was almost 'pathologically' shy in her earlier years. So extrapolating from that I arrived at the conclusion that I was just 'pathological' :)

[Dear Reader]

I've noticed that the throng of sycophant's that clamour to 'like' every post that The Cat in The Hat makes @ PA has dwindled to, in some cases, single numbers. Low-blow to the Ego. Poor show. There is a distinct lack of 'energy' around those parts of late. There's also a noticeable lack of some of the Heavy Hitters who used to post in abundance, and new members. I'm thinking that PA has finally found it's place in the Natural Order of things. It's a round-about, or merry go-round, Yeah, a merry go-round, where you go round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round in the same old conversations and subjects. I noticed a reply The Cat in The Hat made to someone a couple of days ago, and it was exactly, and I mean e-x-a-c-t-l-y the same (bullet points, paragraphs, wording) as a reply I'd received from him at least two years ago. He must have pages of copied & pasted replies he's made over the years saved, to be used ad infinitum, such is the repetition of the place.

Entropy, can't out run it, just gotta accept it.

[Dumpster Diver]

I've noticed that the throng of sycophant's that clamour to 'like' every post that The Cat in The Hat makes @ PA has dwindled to, in some cases, single numbers. Low-blow to the Ego. Poor show. There is a distinct lack of 'energy' around those parts of late. There's also a noticeable lack of some of the Heavy Hitters who used to post in abundance, and new members. I'm thinking that PA has finally found it's place in the Natural Order of things. It's a round-about, or merry go-round, Yeah, a merry go-round, where you go round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round in the same old conversations and subjects. I noticed a reply The Cat in The Hat made to someone a couple of days ago, and it was exactly, and I mean e-x-a-c-t-l-y the same (bullet points, paragraphs, wording) as a reply I'd received from him at least two years ago. He must have pages of copied & pasted replies he's made over the years saved, to be used ad infinitum, such is the repetition of the place.

Entropy, can't out run it, just gotta accept it.

Blowback due to Darth Hatman's psyop on CG/DW? I also think Andy Basiago's "gloves off" interview with Maugans didn't help. I think BR's leash holders are in desperate shape and so threw BR into the breach. Actually, I think BR was set up for exactly this situation. The point of his entire existance in the alt-world...to scramble it as much as possible.

[Wind]

anyone noticing the sun's impact on your behaviors? I'm seeing a corellation with Ben Davidson's Kp index (http://spaceweathernews.com) and my crazed behavior. The good thing is, I can see the index rise and mentally "clamp" it down.

Definitely. When it rises, I tend to get more nervous sometimes, highly annoying especially if forget to check those space weather sites like today. Now don't even get me started about earthquakes and feeling dizzy when the Earth is moving...

[Elen]

The last several posts make me think BR could be an extreme introvert who learned performing behavior thru his Scientologist buddies. In unguarded moments, you lapse back into the introvert phase. Then, when "on stage" another learned personal emerges. David Wilcock does this, but he actually talks about it.

On a similar note, anyone noticing the sun's impact on your behaviors? I'm seeing a corellation with Ben Davidson's Kp index (http://spaceweathernews.com) and my crazed behavior. The good thing is, I can see the index rise and mentally "clamp" it down.

Great observation Batman...:batman

[Dumpster Diver]

Great observation Batman...:batman

....er, that's Dark Knight Dumpy...but thanks.

[Elen]

....er, that's Dark Knight Dumpy...but thanks.

Yeah, DKD...I got it now, confused with all that Pharma from Germany. :p

[tarka the duck]

Back when I myself was still a member at La Casa Del Sombrero™, one of my friends there was a woman who had visited and stayed with The Hat Man™ and Christine at their house in Ecuador, and she described Christine as being a lot more active. According to what she said, you could give Bill a rusty chair or a log of wood to sit on, and he didn't care, so long as he had a place to sit. But the house was all tidy and neatly organized, and that was all Christine's work.

I myself am regularly in touch with Christine, and she's a doer. She takes initiatives in which she can direct her energy, and she's very introspective and conscientious. A woman of honor. El Sombrero™ on the other hand is a ruthless opportunist and a narcissist, while he's actually more like a faint shadow of the man he wants the world to think he is.

I must say, I was slightly in awe of Christine during our visit: she was so dynamic and personable, and I really admire people who are able to speak more
than one language perfectly :)

BTW I should have added the words "tongue in cheek" when saying that we wondered if she was Bill's minder: personally, I don't subscribe to the theory
that he's controlled. My explanation is much, much simpler ...

[Dumpster Diver]

I must say, I was slightly in awe of Christine during our visit: she was so dynamic and personable, and I really admire people who are able to speak more
than one language perfectly :)

BTW I should have added the words "tongue in cheek" when saying that we wondered if she was Bill's minder: personally, I don't subscribe to the theory
that he's controlled. My explanation is much, much simpler ...

Being “controlled” doesn’t mean all the time, just at critical times. The controller has other things to do, perhaps control other folks, or receive controlling themselves.

[Emil El Zapato]

I'm sure your motives are honest but I'm sensing a bit of sexism? :)

[Dreamtimer]

As far as women go, the most common thread seems to have been money. Maybe gold, maybe from a trust, maybe savings... New woman, new money. There have already been comments on other threads, or perhaps earlier in this thread on this subject. I don't recall specifically at the moment.

[donk]

I must say, I was slightly in awe of Christine during our visit: she was so dynamic and personable, and I really admire people who are able to speak more
than one language perfectly :)

BTW I should have added the words "tongue in cheek" when saying that we wondered if she was Bill's minder: personally, I don't subscribe to the theory
that he's controlled. My explanation is much, much simpler ...

Heh, tongue or cheek or not it is how I felt at first when I found out they were married, that she was the driving force behind anything nefarious or selfish. It didn’t help that some of the more prominent and intelligent members I respected at the time thought she was practicing black magick

I haven’t met her in the flesh yet but by directly interacting with her I got to know her fairly well and consider among my favorite and closest friends I’ve made online, dynamic and awe inspiring are great descriptors. You should check out her art, the originite pyramid she and Cristian made me is one of my treasured possessions

But it just goes to show that best of us can sucked in to relationships and purposes that look and feel good on the surface only to get super deep in a bad “investment” (or energy). She believed in PA and what she thought was Bill’s mission. Hell, maybe on some level even Bill, at one time. Deceptions can’t get so big without a shred o’ truth at the heart of them

[Dumpster Diver]

The real reason Bill is here:

https://i2.wp.com/www.timhallman.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/god-far-side.jpg?fit=672%2C780

...and probably myself as well...

[enjoy being]

We all come from Jar mon.

[Elen]

We all come from Jar mon.

It appears dat way mon. :p

[Paloma]

We are jar dust...

[Dumpster Diver]

We are jar dust...

:hilarious::ha::h5:

[pointessa]

I've noticed that the throng of sycophant's that clamour to 'like' every post that The Cat in The Hat makes @ PA has dwindled to, in some cases, single numbers. Low-blow to the Ego. Poor show. There is a distinct lack of 'energy' around those parts of late. There's also a noticeable lack of some of the Heavy Hitters who used to post in abundance, and new members. I'm thinking that PA has finally found it's place in the Natural Order of things. It's a round-about, or merry go-round, Yeah, a merry go-round, where you go round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round in the same old conversations and subjects. I noticed a reply The Cat in The Hat made to someone a couple of days ago, and it was exactly, and I mean e-x-a-c-t-l-y the same (bullet points, paragraphs, wording) as a reply I'd received from him at least two years ago. He must have pages of copied & pasted replies he's made over the years saved, to be used ad infinitum, such is the repetition of the place.

Entropy, can't out run it, just gotta accept it.

I have noticed the definite decline in the quality and quantity of interesting threads and posts on PA. Long gone are the days when you could go to the forum and find page after page of new and interesting threads and posts from some of the most creative thinkers on the internet.

I think there was a big hope for a sort of revival with the Corey Goode/ Dark Journalist saga but that has fizzled out and the Dark Journalist has moved on to other things. At its peak Ryan talked about having an alliance with the likes of Katherine Austin Fitts and others to bring down CG. As if she would be the slight bit interested in getting involved in that soap opera. Members were warned that they needed to be very careful with the quality of their posts due to the increase in viewers because of the CG affair. It was all in preparation for the swarm of new members that would be coming. Instead of presenting the information and letting the chips fall where they may and let people make their own decisions he let it drag out ad nauseum. I couldn't look any more after I watched a PA member that I had a lot of respect for devolve into a servant for Ryan as he had this person do things like invite certain youtube 'celebrities' that shared his sentiments to be "fast tracked" into membership.(As though there were thousands waiting ahead of them) Frankly, it got to be embarrassing even to read it. I think a lot of folks were really fed up with the whole thing.

Now, it seems that the whole forum is a patchwork of youtube videos, with very little analysis or discussion. The discussion that does exist, is nowhere near the quality of what it used to be. Don't get me wrong, youtube videos have their place, but a forum is about discussion and that seems to be sadly lacking to a large degree these days. So the days of the vibrant exchange of ideas for that forum seem to be long gone, and at the same time this forum continues to grow. He might take note of the management style of this forum and learn a thing or two.

[Dumpster Diver]

I have noticed the definite decline in the quality and quantity of interesting threads and posts on PA. Long gone are the days when you could go to the forum and find page after page of new and interesting threads and posts from some of the most creative thinkers on the internet.

I think there was a big hope for a sort of revival with the Corey Goode/ Dark Journalist saga but that has fizzled out and the Dark Journalist has moved on to other things. At its peak Ryan talked about having an alliance with the likes of Katherine Austin Fitts and others to bring down CG. As if she would be the slight bit interested in getting involved in that soap opera. Members were warned that they needed to be very careful with the quality of their posts due to the increase in viewers because of the CG affair. It was all in preparation for the swarm of new members that would be coming. Instead of presenting the information and letting the chips fall where they may and let people make their own decisions he let it drag out ad nauseum. I couldn't look any more after I watched a PA member that I had a lot of respect for devolve into a servant for Ryan as he had this person do things like invite certain youtube 'celebrities' that shared his sentiments to be "fast tracked" into membership.(As though there were thousands waiting ahead of them) Frankly, it got to be embarrassing even to read it. I think a lot of folks were really fed up with the whole thing.

Now, it seems that the whole forum is a patchwork of youtube videos, with very little analysis or discussion. The discussion that does exist, is nowhere near the quality of what it used to be. Don't get me wrong, youtube videos have their place, but a forum is about discussion and that seems to be sadly lacking to a large degree these days. So the days of the vibrant exchange of ideas for that forum seem to be long gone, and at the same time this forum continues to grow. He might take note of the management style of this forum and learn a thing or two.

I keep hoping some PA folks will drift over here. But with Donk bashing Darth Hatman, Aragorn piling on, and my calling out his psyop tendencies, among others, little wonder folks are loath to join in unless they realize they’ve been snookered by the Hatman.

[Aragorn]

I think there was a big hope for a sort of revival with the Corey Goode/ Dark Journalist saga but that has fizzled out and the Dark Journalist has moved on to other things. At its peak Ryan talked about having an alliance with the likes of Katherine Austin Fitts and others to bring down CG. As if she would be the slight bit interested in getting involved in that soap opera.

The very fact that he was planning for that only emphasizes that taking down Corey Goode is a personal matter for him, rather than a matter of paying a service to the so-called "alternative community". And that then in turn only confirms what I said about him earlier, i.e. Bill Ryan does what's in the best interest of Bill Ryan, and to hell with everyone else.


So the days of the vibrant exchange of ideas for that forum seem to be long gone, and at the same time this forum continues to grow. He might take note of the management style of this forum and learn a thing or two.

I'm afraid both Bill Ryan's ego and his loathing for yours truly are too large for that. Remember, this is a guy who personally banned me from his forum because I told him to his face in a private message that he was being blackmailed into protecting Simon Parkes. And he wàs too — well, more or less, see the next paragraph. It just wasn't by the person I suspected of such, i.e. Stephen Hodges. It was Parkes himself. He threatened to sue the whole of Avalon when a few members began complaining about his — shall we say — "less than appropriate behavior".

And instead of doing The Right Thing™, El Sombrero™ wrote a private message to Count Comb-Over™ in which he offered his apologies on behalf of every member of Project Avalon, and from thereon he became complicit in covering up Parkes' misconduct by banning those who dared expose Parkes. Laura Heath was banned too, after her "What to do..." thread.





I keep hoping some PA folks will drift over here. But with Donk bashing Darth Hatman, Aragorn piling on, and my calling out his psyop tendencies, among others, little wonder folks are loath to join in unless they realize they’ve been snookered by the Hatman.

Are you sure you're looking around carefully enough, then? Because I see many former Avalon members joining up here — some under a different name, some under the same name as they have/had over there. :hmm:

[Dumpster Diver]

The very fact that he was planning for that only emphasizes that taking down Corey Goode is a personal matter for him, rather than a matter of paying a service to the so-called "alternative community". And that then in turn only confirms what I said about him earlier, i.e. Bill Ryan does what's in the best interest of Bill Ryan, and to hell with everyone else.



I'm afraid both Bill Ryan's ego and his loathing for yours truly are too large for that. Remember, this is a guy who personally banned me from his forum because I told him to his face in a private message that he was being blackmailed into protecting Simon Parkes. And he wàs too — well, more or less, see the next paragraph. It just wasn't by the person I suspected of such, i.e. Stephen Hodges. It was Parkes himself. He threatened to sue the whole of Avalon when a few members began complaining about his — shall we say — "less than appropriate behavior".

And instead of doing The Right Thing™, El Sombrero™ wrote a private message to Count Comb-Over™ in which he offered his apologies on behalf of every member of Project Avalon, and from thereon he became complicit in covering up Parkes' misconduct by banning those who dared expose Parkes. Laura Heath was banned too, after her "What to do..." thread.






Are you sure you're looking around carefully enough, then? Because I see many former Avalon members joining up here — some under a different name, some under the same name as they have/had over there. :hmm:

Well, I mean coming over here in hordes, i.e. draining the kool-aid swamp. :bump2::bump2::bump2::bump2::bump2::bump2::bump2:

^^^^ Best emoji(s) I could find, really wanted an alligator or two.

[Octopus Garden]

Hi. I am new here. Nice to meet you all. I am a member of Project Avalon, kind of retired, I guess. I have been reading this thread about Bill Ryan with great interest. I didn't have any problems with him at all. He didn't get back to me a couple of times when I pm'd him but that isn't a big deal at all.

The mods do their best. I didn't always agree with some of their decisions, but neither did I know what was going on. My only criticism about them is they have trouble identifying deeply offensive individuals, who will NOT change.

They seem to have a problem identifying paranoid sociopaths. There is a clear and highly antagonistic quality to their posts and perhaps Bill and the mods think they can work with the person to get them to see reason and be respectful. And clearly, it's not going to happen.

I vehemently disagree with people who can't disagree respectfully and appear to be engaged in a "quest for the truth" that is cherry picked from a highly politicized and nasty angle and ends up looking like a vendetta.

Giovanni, I will pm you. I don't want to use my former name on this forum, but if any of the mods or posters from Avalon pm me, I will be happy to!

Ciao!

Octopus

[Emil El Zapato]

Hi Octupus,

That was my experience as well. The only conclusion I could draw was that Hatman (denigrating moniker) and the mods were in agreement which I found very disheartening. I was determined that I wasn't going out with a whimper and I didn't. :omg:

NAP

[Aragorn]

Hi. I am new here. Nice to meet you all.


(welcome), Octopus Garden! ;)



http://users.telenet.be/stryder/The_One_Truth/Miscellaneous/welcome.jpeg

[Octopus Garden]

Hi, NotAPretender,

I am sorry to hear that. They are losing people by the boat load. Many former posters have vanished. Some of that is just the usual attrition, I guess. But others?

[Elen]

(welcome):thonetruthsmiliey::unity:

[Dumpster Diver]

Hi. I am new here. Nice to meet you all. I am a member of Project Avalon, kind of retired, I guess. I have been reading this thread about Bill Ryan with great interest. I didn't have any problems with him at all. He didn't get back to me a couple of times when I pm'd him but that isn't a big deal at all.

The mods do their best. I didn't always agree with some of their decisions, but neither did I know what was going on. My only criticism about them is they have trouble identifying deeply offensive individuals, who will NOT change.

They seem to have a problem identifying paranoid sociopaths. There is a clear and highly antagonistic quality to their posts and perhaps Bill and the mods think they can work with the person to get them to see reason and be respectful. And clearly, it's not going to happen.

I vehemently disagree with people who can't disagree respectfully and appear to be engaged in a "quest for the truth" that is cherry picked from a highly politicized and nasty angle and ends up looking like a vendetta.

Giovanni, I will pm you. I don't want to use my former name on this forum, but if any of the mods or posters from Avalon pm me, I will be happy to!

Ciao!

Octopus

Welcome Octopus to our merrie band of Bill bashers! I was never at The Kool-aid Stand (Avalon) but I do read it as a set of alt-world vectors that can be unique, i.e. not posted elsewhere. I've tangled with just about everyone here including Malc and his henchbuddy Aragon and not been banned so I can vouch that you won't be banned for your views. I tried and am still here. :onthequite::tiphat:

[Octopus Garden]

Thanks for the welcome!:tiphat:

[Elen]

I've tangled with just about everyone here including Malc and his henchbuddy Aragon and not been banned so I can vouch that you won't be banned for your views. I tried and am still here. :onthequite::tiphat:

:p

[Paloma]

Welcome, Octopus Garden. I resonated with your post. I thought PA was an amazing forum, several years ago.
Such a great group of people, which created a certain dynamic after the Atticus event calmed down.
And I attributed this largely to BR's management and also the moderator efforts. But over time something went wrong. I began to perceive some serious inconsistencies, and contradictions, the longer I was active there.
BR seemed to indulge certain people who in my view had no business of being there, and the science-spirituality motto became more and more of a joke, where people's genuine spiritual experiences were considered woowoo, while some dubious science got the thumbs up.
I can't remember exact examples right now, just that I was often felt puzzled while reading who was sanctioned by BR and "his team", unsubscribed or sent on vacations, yet some really twisted persons were allowed to hang out in the inner circle.
I must admit, I miss the old days there.

[Dumpster Diver]

:p

Most everyone except for Elen and Dreamy (Dreamtimer) that is. :smile2:

[Octopus Garden]

Yes, it was different before. And some of this might have to do with the same topics, over and over and people just get bored and move on to what they consider more exciting. It is drama driven -- as are most interactive forums.

I really only had a difficult time with one poster who was clearly a paranoid sociopath. In my view he was a highly disruptive individual who should have been given the bum's rush years ago. Talk about a bad vibe. Made me and a number of others shudder. If someone disagrees--that's fine. If they have hostility to some public person and you don't agree. Fine. But making it personal, and gleefully engaging in smearing and insulting forum members? That's not okay.

[Octopus Garden]

I have noticed the definite decline in the quality and quantity of interesting threads and posts on PA. Long gone are the days when you could go to the forum and find page after page of new and interesting threads and posts from some of the most creative thinkers on the internet.

I think there was a big hope for a sort of revival with the Corey Goode/ Dark Journalist saga but that has fizzled out and the Dark Journalist has moved on to other things. At its peak Ryan talked about having an alliance with the likes of Katherine Austin Fitts and others to bring down CG. As if she would be the slight bit interested in getting involved in that soap opera. Members were warned that they needed to be very careful with the quality of their posts due to the increase in viewers because of the CG affair. It was all in preparation for the swarm of new members that would be coming. Instead of presenting the information and letting the chips fall where they may and let people make their own decisions he let it drag out ad nauseum. I couldn't look any more after I watched a PA member that I had a lot of respect for devolve into a servant for Ryan as he had this person do things like invite certain youtube 'celebrities' that shared his sentiments to be "fast tracked" into membership.(As though there were thousands waiting ahead of them) Frankly, it got to be embarrassing even to read it. I think a lot of folks were really fed up with the whole thing.

Now, it seems that the whole forum is a patchwork of youtube videos, with very little analysis or discussion. The discussion that does exist, is nowhere near the quality of what it used to be. Don't get me wrong, youtube videos have their place, but a forum is about discussion and that seems to be sadly lacking to a large degree these days. So the days of the vibrant exchange of ideas for that forum seem to be long gone, and at the same time this forum continues to grow. He might take note of the management style of this forum and learn a thing or two.

Yes the Corey Goode affair, interesting at first, became too much. How many threads should be devoted to one sorry clown when there are so many others out there. I always figured that most of the sorry clown/whistle blowers were full of sh** so I just avoided whistle blower threads. I figured that Bill Ryan was naive but well meaning. I hope this is true.

[Dumpster Diver]

Yes the Corey Goode affair, interesting at first, became too much. How many threads should be devoted to one sorry clown when there are so many others out there. I always figured that most of the sorry clown/whistle blowers were full of sh** so I just avoided whistle blower threads. I figured that Bill Ryan was naive but well meaning. I hope this is true.

I don’t agree. The entire alt-world environment is being driven by the CG/DW “revelations” so I think a through discussion of CG and the other personalities is very much warranted. After I got to know several folks here and their interactions with both CG and BR, it really helped me understand the situation and the weirdness surrounding.

New information is always good. For example, new info on flat earth was caused me to reopen what was formerly what I thought was a closed and understood (for me) topic.

The chaotic Sun, earth pole reversal, etc is connected to the CG storyline and is most important to all of us, IMO.

[Octopus Garden]

Dumpster Diver,

Any info at all pertinent to CG's b.s. about Secret Space Program is fair game. Outside of that is prurient interest, IMHO. It can also draw innocent parties into a 'web of intrigue,' that takes on the appearance of a blood sport.

[Aragorn]

I've tangled with just about everyone here including Malc and his henchbuddy Aragon and not been banned so I can vouch that you won't be banned for your views. I tried and am still here. :onthequite::tiphat:

The name is Aragorn. Aragon is a region in Spain. And Gio calls me argon, which is a gas. :fpalm: :cracky: :onthequite:





I figured that Bill Ryan was naive but well meaning. I hope this is true.

I'm afraid not. Bill Ryan is an obsessive-compulsive, narcissistic and Machiavellian psychopath, not to mention a Scientologist and a supporter of Werner Erhard — think "neurolinguistic programming" — and he will do or say whatever he needs to attain his objectives, whether that means that he has to do or say something good or whether he has to do or say something bad.

Perhaps you won't take it from me, but I happen to be well-versed in psychology, and I also happen to have quite a bit of experience at dealing with psychopaths. :hmm:

[Octopus Garden]

Aragorn, I don't know much about Bill Ryan. My own experiences with him were okay. But...they were also very limited. Can you link me to anything that will explain more about your experiences with him to me? I am really curious.

[Dumpster Diver]

The name is Aragorn. Aragon is a region in Spain. And Gio calls me argon, which is a gas. :fpalm: :cracky: :onthequite


Sorry Argonite, my dzlexzia is kicking in again. :hilarious::fisty:

Not to mention the spell ckr picking out whatever it likes and subbing my bent text.

[Aragorn]

Aragorn, I don't know much about Bill Ryan. My own experiences with him were okay. But...they were also very limited. Can you link me to anything that will explain more about your experiences with him to me? I am really curious.

Oh wow... :scrhd: I've already written about that extensively all over the forum, including here on this thread, as well as on other threads dedicated to El Sombrero™ — even on threads that weren't necessarily about him but where the subject somehow came up. And I have already collided more than once with The Hat Man™'s resident fanboys (and -girls) over that too. :rolleyes:

But I'll give you just a couple of samples, and by the way, some of this information comes from reliable sources within the Project Avalon mod team... ;)





Did you know that El Sombrero™ contacted one of our former staff members — somebody who is at present time still a member at Project Avalon — by way of Skype with the request to remove Bill Ryan's name from a post made by one of our members, in which said member espoused his then-held opinion that Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy would have been working for the alphabet spooks? And of course, this was all to happen below the table, without that anyone else in the mod room here were to find out.

The reason El Sombrero™ gave for the request was that "he had been informed by an Avalon member" of a Google search on the names of both Bill Ryan and the The One Truth member in which that particular post came up. :rolleyes:




He keeps a list of all Project Avalon members of whom he knows that they are also registered here at The One Truth — and by now, probably about any Avalon member registered at Earth Empaths as well. People have already been banned from Avalon over things they had said either here or at Earth Empaths.




He keeps a copy of every written conversation ever had — whether by email, Skype or private message — as well as thousands upon thousands of photographs on external hard disks, as well as all of the information provided to him by everyone who ever signs up as a member at Project Avalon.




When he found out from Corey Goode's wife that Corey had been sent a 72-page FBI file on him, he went ballistic, and he threatened his wife Christine with grave harm — yes, that is an understatement. He also became obsessed with Corey from that moment on, and his passive-aggressive behavior due to that obsession became intolerable during the Skype meetings of the Project Avalon 24/7 Earth Healing Group, to such an extent that Christine took the decision to ban him from the group's meetings on Skype.

As he couldn't take revenge on Christine — because she was too popular among the Project Avalon members — he took it out on newbie moderator Hazel and fired her from the Avalon staff. Christine and Claudia (Karelia) then both resigned as moderators in protest.

I had already been apprised of the situation before it played out, and on the night that I was banned from La Casa Del Sombrero™, I confronted him with his manipulations and his lies, by pointing out that he had posted an announcement in which he stated that Christine, Claudia and Hazel had all three voluntarily stepped down as moderators, while he had actually fired Hazel, leading to the other two stepping down in protest.

He vehemently denied that — I believe I still have the screenshots of that exchange — and he tried to put a spin on it by way of an out-of-context quote of something he himself had written in a Skype exchange with the three of them . Ironically enough, more than two years later, when he had his moderators start a slandering campaign against Christine out on an open thread at Avalon, he had actually forgotten about how he had denied having fired Hazel, because he openly admitted to it, and he even put a spin on why she was fired from the Avalon staff.


Isn't it ironic that Project Avalon uses Skype for their staff meetings, while Skype is notorious for its security leaks, not to mention that it's also owned by Microsoft, who are engaged in several million-dollar contracts with DARPA, the DIA, the NSA, the CIA, the FBI and the DHS?




Shortly after I had joined up as a member here at The One Truth, I began participating in the exchanges on a thread about Simon Parkes — indirectly, the Simon Parkes affair had led to my being banned from Avalon, but I'm not going to get into the specifics here and now because that's a whole story in and of itself — and this was a members-only thread. Still, some of Simon Parkes' groupies had infiltrated here — this was during the time that Corey Goode was active here, and many people were signing up here in that time just so as to be able to talk to Corey, or maybe to hear Corey talk to them — and these groupies were posting that members-only stuff back to Simon Parkes.

On the 6th of April 2015, both I myself as an individual and Malc as the founder of The One Truth received threats with legal action from Simon Parkes via email. Both emails arrived at Malc's and my private email addresses, and in both threats, I was named by my legal name. There is no way Simon Parkes could have gotten hold of that information — and of those email addresses — without that Bill Ryan would have handed it to him on a platter. That's a serious breach of ethics, right there.




And now you probably also know why signing up at Project Avalon comprises of filling out that extensive questionnaire, and providing them with your real name. Bill Ryan keeps a copy of all that information on his own computers, for if and when he has any use for it.

As charming and sympathetic as the guy seems on the outside, I can tell you that he is cold as ice on the inside. Cold, incredibly calculated and utterly premeditated. He's also very intelligent, which allows him to think very fast.

Is he naive? Well, he does have his own woo-woo factor and his Scientology belief system. But innocent and well-intended, he is not. Trust me. :ninja:

[enjoy being]

I'm continually baffled at the amount of times I hear about these people and that they are leading some alt movement.
I just see that sort of thinking as unhealthy and unfounded. In no way would I consider either DW or whatsis pickle to be leading any frontier apart from the one swapping bubblegum card overflows, I cannot take one single atom between those two seriously and I guess I just presume it ought to be obvious to most, which is when I get baffled by people falling for all the fantasy and leg weeing.

[Octopus Garden]

Aragorn, Thanks for that information. It's all a bit confusing but I appreciate that you took the time to get back to me on it. Maybe there are two sides to the man. Do you think he is unworthy of compassion though? Has he abused women, or just been with a lot of women? I want to point something out here that is important to bear in mind. I am not a FAN of Bill Ryan--just kind of neutral.

Nothing, I don't take them seriously either. It is annoying that they are playing directly into the belief that ufology and SS programme are cartoonish. When the likes of Dolan is represented with no choice but to share a stage with these types, it is like making Nikola Tesla share a stage with the inventor of the hoola hoop.

[Dumpster Diver]

Oh wow... :scrhd: I've already written about that extensively all over the forum, including here on this thread, as well as on other threads dedicated to El Sombrero™ — even on threads that weren't necessarily about him but where the subject somehow came up. And I have already collided more than once with The Hat Man™'s resident fanboys (and -girls) over that too. :rolleyes:

But I'll give you just a couple of samples, and by the way, some of this information comes from reliable sources within the Project Avalon mod team... ;)





Did you know that El Sombrero™ contacted one of our former staff members — somebody who is at present time still a member at Project Avalon — by way of Skype with the request to remove Bill Ryan's name from a post made by one of our members, in which said member espoused his then-held opinion that Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy would have been working for the alphabet spooks? And of course, this was all to happen below the table, without that anyone else in the mod room here were to find out.

The reason El Sombrero™ gave for the request was that "he had been informed by an Avalon member" of a Google search on the names of both Bill Ryan and the The One Truth member in which that particular post came up. :rolleyes:




He keeps a list of all Project Avalon members of whom he knows that they are also registered here at The One Truth — and by now, probably about any Avalon member registered at Earth Empaths as well. People have already been banned from Avalon over things they had said either here or at Earth Empaths.




He keeps a copy of every written conversation ever had — whether by email, Skype or private message — as well as thousands upon thousands of photographs on external hard disks, as well as all of the information provided to him by everyone who ever signs up as a member at Project Avalon.




When he found out from Corey Goode's wife that Corey had been sent a 72-page FBI file on him, he went ballistic, and he threatened his wife Christine with grave harm — yes, that is an understatement. He also became obsessed with Corey from that moment on, and his passive-aggressive behavior due to that obsession became intolerable during the Skype meetings of the Project Avalon 24/7 Earth Healing Group, to such an extent that Christine took the decision to ban him from the group's meetings on Skype.

As he couldn't take revenge on Christine — because she was too popular among the Project Avalon members — he took it out on newbie moderator Hazel and fired her from the Avalon staff. Christine and Claudia (Karelia) then both resigned as moderators in protest.

I had already been apprised of the situation before it played out, and on the night that I was banned from La Casa Del Sombrero™, I confronted him with his manipulations and his lies, by pointing out that he had posted an announcement in which he stated that Christine, Claudia and Hazel had all three voluntarily stepped down as moderators, while he had actually fired Hazel, leading to the other two stepping down in protest.

He vehemently denied that — I believe I still have the screenshots of that exchange — and he tried to put a spin on it by way of an out-of-context quote of something he himself had written in a Skype exchange with the three of them . Ironically enough, more than two years later, when he had his moderators start a slandering campaign against Christine out on an open thread at Avalon, he had actually forgotten about how he had denied having fired Hazel, because he openly admitted to it, and he even put a spin on why she was fired from the Avalon staff.


Isn't it ironic that Project Avalon uses Skype for their staff meetings, while Skype is notorious for its security leaks, not to mention that it's also owned by Microsoft, who are engaged in several million-dollar contracts with DARPA, the DIA, the NSA, the CIA, the FBI and the DHS?




Shortly after I had joined up as a member here at The One Truth, I began participating in the exchanges on a thread about Simon Parkes — indirectly, the Simon Parkes affair had led to my being banned from Avalon, but I'm not going to get into the specifics here and now because that's a whole story in and of itself — and this was a members-only thread. Still, some of Simon Parkes' groupies had infiltrated here — this was during the time that Corey Goode was active here, and many people were signing up here in that time just so as to be able to talk to Corey, or maybe to hear Corey talk to them — and these groupies were posting that members-only stuff back to Simon Parkes.

On the 6th of April 2015, both I myself as an individual and Malc as the founder of The One Truth received threats with legal action from Simon Parkes via email. Both emails arrived at Malc's and my private email addresses, and in both threats, I was named by my legal name. There is no way Simon Parkes could have gotten hold of that information — and of those email addresses — without that Bill Ryan would have handed it to him on a platter. That's a serious breach of ethics, right there.




And now you probably also know why signing up at Project Avalon comprises of filling out that extensive questionnaire, and providing them with your real name. Bill Ryan keeps a copy of all that information on his own computers, for if and when he has any use for it.

As charming and sympathetic as the guy seems on the outside, I can tell you that he is cold as ice on the inside. Cold, incredibly calculated and utterly premeditated. He's also very intelligent, which allows him to think very fast.

Is he naive? Well, he does have his own woo-woo factor and his Scientology belief system. But innocent and well-intended, he is not. Trust me. :ninja:

The above is just a few reasons I stay on the good side of Argon...Argagon...Aragathorn...Astrodorn...whateve r...

[enjoy being]

...Though, well, yeah still baffled. Sometimes I think it must be an urgency thing. And I wonder, should I feel more urgent?
Should I be hanging on the edge of my seat try to soak up every drop of information? Hoping to get the inside scoop and formulate a plan to save the world?
How many alt community people still want to save the world? Think it can be done?
Have you worked out if it can be done and how yet?
It didn't take long to work out that the thing which will change paradigms for better or for worse, is when we work together. Though, we can't agree on paradigms, in fact we are in general, potentially as bad at making paradigms as those who made the last one. There's no wave of pure souls taking any lead, especially the ones who think they are, who are usually found very lacking.
So, one studies and speculates and thinks they have got to somewhere where they know what is going on.. then what? Job done? It's hard waiting for the rest to catch up, what are you going to do in the meantime?
Try and 'convert' others? Potentially leading them away from where you were intending?
Action. People wanting action, getting frustrated at lack of. Well what actions are going to work? I mean ya know if you try and put your head above the crowd and call the people, it will be cut off pretty swiftly. Are you going to go door knocking and turn more people the other direction?
What is your plan? ..and is it actually going to work or worse, entangle people in more tar babies.
I don't believe in urgency. It takes what it takes. A watched pot never boils. A world of meddlers.
We are looking for authenticity. I mean surely we know that the only true change can come from authenticity. Authenticity of intent and emotion. The individual has each their authentic experience, their dark night of the soul which convinces them in their heart to become part of a change. It is those personal moments we are looking for, singular realisations packed with powerful personal motivating factors. That is how you get everyone on the same page, and you kind of have to wait for that to happen on its own accord.. not try and create a wave of followers caught up in fiction. Yet people who might be aware of a need for authenticity, will still play storytime with people who severely muddy the waters with unruly personalities and distortions.

[Dumpster Diver]

Aragorn, Thanks for that information. It's all a bit confusing but I appreciate that you took the time to get back to me on it. Maybe there are two sides to the man. Do you think he is unworthy of compassion though? Has he abused women, or just been with a lot of women? I want to point something out here that is important to bear in mind. I am not a FAN of Bill Ryan--just kind of neutral.

Nothing, I don't take them seriously either. It is annoying that they are playing directly into the belief that ufology and SS programme are cartoonish. When the likes of Dolan is represented with no choice but to share a stage with these types, it is like making Nikola Tesla share a stage with the inventor of the hoola hoop.

As I mentioned in another thread, it is a mistake to dismiss everything someone says because you don’t like them, or have found a few things you don’t like or you think untrue. Are you right all the time? Neither are they. On the other hand, the bad guys know exactly the false stuff (or that which they are promoting) and then the true “gum wrappers” to sell it with. On the whole, you can learn more from false “truthers” than folks trying to be straight with you.

[Emil El Zapato]

I don't recommend the door-to-door thing. My step-brother's father did that and he was institutionalized. His message, "I'm Jesus Christ and I'm here to save you!"

[Paloma]

One has to be in touch with one's emotions. How did we feel when we went in, and how did we feel when we left?

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[Dumpster Diver]

One has to be in touch with one's emotions. How did we feel when we went in, and how did we feel when we left?

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I’d label the house “Alt-world discoveries.” I’m the orange cat four years ago going in and then out two years later on the other side.

[Aragorn]

Aragorn, Thanks for that information. It's all a bit confusing but I appreciate that you took the time to get back to me on it. Maybe there are two sides to the man. Do you think he is unworthy of compassion though?

I don't know... Is anyone ever unworthy of compassion? I think that's a decision we all have to make within our individual selves. :hmm:

Would I save his life if I were the only thing standing between him and death? Yes, I probably would, because that's who I am. :flag:


Has he abused women, or just been with a lot of women?

I don't know whether he abused them, in the colloquial sense. But has he used them and is he still using them? I'd say "yes". :hmm:

[Paloma]

...Though, well, yeah still baffled. Sometimes I think it must be an urgency thing. And I wonder, should I feel more urgent?
Should I be hanging on the edge of my seat try to soak up every drop of information? Hoping to get the inside scoop and formulate a plan to save the world?
How many alt community people still want to save the world? Think it can be done?
Have you worked out if it can be done and how yet?
It didn't take long to work out that the thing which will change paradigms for better or for worse, is when we work together. Though, we can't agree on paradigms, in fact we are in general, potentially as bad at making paradigms as those who made the last one. There's no wave of pure souls taking any lead, especially the ones who think they are, who are usually found very lacking.
So, one studies and speculates and thinks they have got to somewhere where they know what is going on.. then what? Job done? It's hard waiting for the rest to catch up, what are you going to do in the meantime?
Try and 'convert' others? Potentially leading them away from where you were intending?
Action. People wanting action, getting frustrated at lack of. Well what actions are going to work? I mean ya know if you try and put your head above the crowd and call the people, it will be cut off pretty swiftly. Are you going to go door knocking and turn more people the other direction?
What is your plan? ..and is it actually going to work or worse, entangle people in more tar babies.
I don't believe in urgency. It takes what it takes. A watched pot never boils. A world of meddlers.
We are looking for authenticity. I mean surely we know that the only true change can come from authenticity. Authenticity of intent and emotion. The individual has each their authentic experience, their dark night of the soul which convinces them in their heart to become part of a change. It is those personal moments we are looking for, singular realisations packed with powerful personal motivating factors. That is how you get everyone on the same page, and you kind of have to wait for that to happen on its own accord.. not try and create a wave of followers caught up in fiction. Yet people who might be aware of a need for authenticity, will still play storytime with people who severely muddy the waters with unruly personalities and distortions.
Great post, and great questions being raised.
Three options at any given time, presenting themselves:
A) We let the world impact us, b) we impact our environment, or c) we sit in the stillness of neutrality.
I just let it happen these days, and make only slight adjustments when the belance of these three is off.
The days of wanting to have everyone on the same page are over for me.
I just can't see it happen anymore.

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[pointessa]

I'm continually baffled at the amount of times I hear about these people and that they are leading some alt movement.
I just see that sort of thinking as unhealthy and unfounded. In no way would I consider either DW or whatsis pickle to be leading any frontier apart from the one swapping bubblegum card overflows, I cannot take one single atom between those two seriously and I guess I just presume it ought to be obvious to most, which is when I get baffled by people falling for all the fantasy and leg weeing.

I am baffled as well. The fact that none of these guys are held accountable for what they say. Nobody seems to care that nothing they forcast actually happens. I could make a list of hundreds of things that DW has told us will happen and when the date of said event arrives he gives us a new date and a new event. All the "insider" information they have shared hasn't changed a thing in this world, except maybe making some people poorer by giving them donations or paying for one of their events. They are 100% diversion, distraction and soap opera entertainment for the folks that question reality as it is presented by the MSM. I understand folks that are newly awakened falling victim to this stuff, but what about those that have been around? I also understand that they can throw some truth in with the hype and that can string folks along for a while.

My premise is that we are living in the end of a cycle that is being devoured by corruption, the proverbial snake eating its own tail, which is nearing its peak. I even see it in "charitable" organizations I volunteer for. This is the natural consequence of unbridled ego, greed and selfishness run amok. Every organized grouping that humans have created is to some degree infected with this. When just one person puts his own needs and wants above the collective goal, the corruption begins. Guys like DW and CG are, in my opinion, just jumping on the bus. What a great arena to create a scam. Dealing with information that is not provable, or using the excuse that the source must be protected so " you will just have to take my word for it".

At the same time we are immersed in this corruption, it seems our ability to reason, use logic and common sense are diminishing. I have gotten to the point that I actually long for integrity, courageousness and honor in people.(I can think of one very special member here that fits that description and I'm sure there are many more.) I do see it, but not very often. Sadly, if you possess these qualities you are in the minority, and definitely not looked up to by the masses. In fact, if you fit this description most likely you will be discounted by a society that does not have have a place for you.

I think it will be most interesting to see how this whole thing turns out. It is a bizarro, topsy turvy world we live in. Up is down, right is wrong and on and on....really a most interesting time. If you made it through this whole post, I thank you for giving me your time I know its time to step down from the soap box....

[Aragorn]

[...] I understand folks that are newly awakened falling victim to this stuff, but what about those that have been around? [...]

One of the problems I see is that those who are newly awakened and who are falling for this stuff are stubbornly refusing to hear out those of us who've been around the proverbial "alt community" block. I see some of that playing out here at The One Truth, even, and that is sad. Not exactly unexpected, but sad nevertheless.


[...] Guys like DW and CG are, in my opinion, just jumping on the bus. [...]

Perhaps off-topic for this thread, but I've been thinking some more about Corey Goode lately, and based upon my experiences with him as a human being and as a former member of The One Truth, I am now opined that he would be afflicted with schizotypal personality disorder (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizotypal_personality_disorder).

Quoting from Wonkypedia... ;)










Schizotypal personality disorder (STPD) or schizotypal disorder is a mental disorder characterized by severe social anxiety, thought disorder, paranoia, hallucination, derealization, transient psychosis and often unconventional beliefs.










David Wilcock is of course another matter. As soon as he saw some aspects of Corey's story that more or less corresponded to his own infatuation with the Law Of One material, he went completely manic. And taking responsibility is not all that high on his list of priorities, so he'll gladly take people's money and make them promises which he cannot live up to.

Likewise for all the claims he has been making. He's been selling people stories that he himself believes in but which always lead to some dead end. But he's a public personality — an "alt media celebrity", you could say — and as such he is dragging many other people down into that pipe dream with him, only to deliver them yet another disappointment in the end. And he's not the only one either. Kerry Cassidy is even worse, because she doesn't even have a proper scientific understanding and she has no discernment whatsoever. She's nothing but a noisemaker anymore now.

And that then brings us back to Bill Ryan. He too has his woo-woo factor, but he is even worse than Kerry and Wilcock combined, because for him, it's all about his narcissistic satisfaction. He wants to be perceived as a hero that people can look up to — King Arthur — but without actually having to be that hero. He did after all name his forum Project Avalon, and the mythological Avalon was the island where King Arthur went to die after his battle with Mordred.

Never even mind that Bill Ryan would be miles away from the righteous and honorable King Arthur. To Bill Ryan, it's not about who he is, but about whom he is perceived as. He wants to be a big name. And because he doesn't have much to tell of his own — or at least, nothing of the caliber of a secret space program or jump rooms to Mars — he picks out people with other stories and offers them a launch platform. And each and every one of those people will then of course turn out to be yet another disappointment in the end, but El Sombrero™ doesn't care about that, because with each and every one of them, he's hoping that he finally dug into the mother lode.



"Yes, this next guy is the real deal, I know it. I can feel it. This guy is legit. And I, Bill Ryan, am going to be the one who discovered him."


Too bad for all the people who got suckered into his story. They'll get over it, eventually. And given enough time, he'll have a story ready on how and why his newest must-believe whistleblower/witness turned out to be yet another failure — but it'll never have been Bill Ryan's fault, of course! And if he can't come up with a credible explanation, then he'll simply pretend that it never happened, or he'll launch some vendetta campaign against his former must-believe protégé, just as he has done with Corey Goode.



"It doesn't matter. People leave Avalon all the time, and other ones join up to take their place. But I am still Bill Ryan, the great researcher. And one day my ship will come in and I'll hit the jackpot. You'll see."


I think I'm not hitting the nail too far from the head on this one. ;)

[Emil El Zapato]

That is the fundamental injustice of any 'business' proposition that doesn't proceed with a sense of right and wrong. There's always more where they came from. I hate that and it sucks big time!

[pointessa]

You have made some really good points here. Aragorn. I'll have to consider what you said about CG. Do you believe that he totally believes what he says? That there is no con, just hallucinations and mental illness? What about the misrepresentation about previous salary and job qualifications? I find it very suspicious that the real push to fame happened only after he burned his bridges for a mainstream job by getting a restraining order from his previous employer for harassment or stalking. Who would hire anyone with that in his history? Even if someone wanted to hire him, they would be afraid to , due to potential lawsuits in the future if he did anything, know his past history? (At least that's how it works in the US)

[Aragorn]

You have made some really good points here. Aragorn. I'll have to consider what you said about CG. Do you believe that he totally believes what he says? That there is no con, just hallucinations and mental illness? What about the misrepresentation about previous salary and job qualifications? I find it very suspicious that the real push to fame happened only after he burned his bridges for a mainstream job by getting a restraining order from his previous employer for harassment or stalking. Who would hire anyone with that in his history? Even if someone wanted to hire him, they would be afraid to , due to potential lawsuits in the future if he did anything, know his past history? (At least that's how it works in the US)

Well, it's difficult to assess, because a person with that kind of affliction is constantly hopping back and forth between reality and fantasy. And I'm pretty sure that Mrs. Goode would have lent him "a helping hand" in remembering just how much exactly he was making before he lost his job. She has her own motives for riding this train.

She's in it because she wants a taste of the fame her husband is amassing. That much was already clear during her tenure here as a member. She actually expected preferential treatment from us because "her husband was a famous whistleblower." And when she found out that this is not how we run this forum, she asked for her retirement and left with a few sneers directed at the management. :rolleyes:

She's using Corey's delusional mind to her own advantage. The only difference with Wilcock & Co is that Wilcock actually believes in Corey's story, as does Corey himself, whereas she on the other hand is a shameless opportunist. :hmm:

[Dumpster Diver]

Based on Agathorn's assessment I missed a trick in become a whistleblower at the kool-aid stand. Using my math tricks I coulda made some waves. Darn! :fpalm:

[enjoy being]

What happened to that PA member Harley Hanson or something similar? He seemed to be the one being groomed for the position of spacecadet whistle blower, ahead of GoodeTsxg or whatever it was, back during the Charles cabaret. Was quite surprised to find it was CG who had become selected, the HH fellow must have not worked out.

That's just my candid observations from back at the time.

[Emil El Zapato]

Harley Hanson?

[pointessa]

Well, it's difficult to assess, because a person with that kind of affliction is constantly hopping back and forth between reality and fantasy. And I'm pretty sure that Mrs. Goode would have lent him "a helping hand" in remembering just how much exactly he was making before he lost his job. She has her own motives for riding this train.

She's in it because she wants a taste of the fame her husband is amassing. That much was already clear during her tenure here as a member. She actually expected preferential treatment from us because "her husband was a famous whistleblower." And when she found out that this is not how we run this forum, she asked for her retirement and left with a few sneers directed at the management. :rolleyes:

She's using Corey's delusional mind to her own advantage. The only difference with Wilcock & Co is that Wilcock actually believes in Corey's story, as does Corey himself, whereas she on the other hand is a shameless opportunist. :hmm:

The info about his wife and her expectations is really interesting. Do you think her realization that CG was probably not going to be making a steady income after the restraining order from his past employer may have influenced her desire to play the unflinching, supportive role as the wife of a heroic"whistle blower"?


OOPs, I just realized I have wandered off topic here. I will cease and desist ...sorry guys.:blsh:

[Emil El Zapato]

Hi pointessa,

no worries, you have my permission to go as far off topic as you like...(pssst, don't tell Aragorn, though...it's a conspiracy)

NAP

[Aragorn]

The info about his wife and her expectations is really interesting. Do you think her realization that CG was probably not going to be making a steady income after the restraining order from his past employer may have influenced her desire to play the unflinching, supportive role as the wife of a heroic"whistle blower"?

Absolutely. ;) It oozes right off of her. : Sherlock:


OOPs, I just realized I have wandered off topic here. I will cease and desist ...sorry guys.:blsh:

No problem. This thread has already gone all over the place several times before, and the info about Corey is linked to Bill Ryan, given that the latter was Corey's launchpad. It was only later that Wilcock and Salla appeared on the scene, and probably because Corey himself had contacted them. ;)

[Dreamtimer]

There is a Harley over at PA who posts. I don't know if this is the same one.

[araucaria]

Harley Davidson? No. I think it’s Harley Hawkins. Yet I recall BR recently (this year) describing the end of Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance as something very special. I have not read the book, but the ending describes the death of a son, who had been his passenger and until near the end only ever seen his father’s back. I shouldn’t be at all surprised if something in his personal biography was being played out here.

[Emil El Zapato]

Is his name really Harley Davidson? I went to school with a much younger very cute girl whose father's name was Harley Davidson. I'm sure there's more than a few...This was in Kansas, though.

:)

[donk]

The info about his wife and her expectations is really interesting. Do you think her realization that CG was probably not going to be making a steady income after the restraining order from his past employer may have influenced her desire to play the unflinching, supportive role as the wife of a heroic"whistle blower"?


OOPs, I just realized I have wandered off topic here. I will cease and desist ...sorry guys.:blsh:

I dunno, but the “freak out” that got her banned was eeirily similar to the episode that made me completely disillusioned with Bill. I didn’t really believe it was her at the time, thinking it was corey using “her” account...I certainly found it hard to believe a wife would support that story

But it was still early and the jump from SSP ship details to communing blue avians and sphere beings was New. “Her” concern was how BR dealt with scientology’s OT3 being exposed to the uninitiated. “She” flipped at how “science and spirituality meet” when it comes to him. Especially since corey came to me here “concerned about it”.

(Sorry to keep using quotes but it’s hard to use these terms difinitively, this is just my perception)

After seeing one of her interviews, I guess I was wrong to think it couldn’t be anyone other Corey. It sure takes a special someone to go through whatever they are with him and the whole situation. Maybe it’s fun? I dunno. So bizarre

[Gio]

At this point, (may I suggest) seeking professional counseling (if not already procured) by those that can't get over the affects (afflictions) cast upon (them) by this (break away scientology cult like) PA2 forum ...
I will also add - Aragorn has very adequately covered the important points and aspects of BR's (and his minions) earlier transgressions (and dubious behaviors) upon certain former members ...
The good news here - There is much life and truth still to behold and experience upon this plane ...

So may I share one of my last post (reflections) on the original Project Avalon forum ...
(from my 'Dan Brown's~ Lost Symbol' thread ...

Posted 3/3/2010


To the Forum~

For many years now, I felt like many humans, that something was amok with the way we were lead to perceive this world we live in. This world just did not make sense? In particular, the ways in which Western cultures were not conducive to and in synchronicity with that of Nature and Mother Earth. After living through some very tumultuous and stressful years trying to adapt and accept (what I began to realize as) these false norms~ I dropped out and began a personal sojourn to find my own way back in making peace with all.

For years, I have conducted my own research into the veiled and sometimes secret hidden realms of ufology and extraterrestrial life on and off this planet. When I first arrived at the Project Avalon Forum in the fall of 2008, I had already spent many hours viewing the Project Camelot video interviews. The Forum, established by Bill and Kerry first introduced me to "The "New Paradigm" book series. The basis for these books were the transcribed 'Messages,' in which I believe originated off planet and later published by George Green. These 'messages' have had an enormous effect in awakening many members and visitors to this forum~ from all around the globe. As Project Avalon has evolved and expanded, it has become a kind of clearing house and discussion platform, in regards to these and other related subject matters.

The Forum has become a true internet crossroads into the collection and discernment of shared and insightful wisdom. Also, it has allowed me the wonderful gift of being able to connect with other like-minded souls~ from around the world. I have truly come to believe, we on this forum~ coming from different countries, cultures, and faiths~ were meant to meet up here. Our self-determined quest for the truth, is the glue that binds us together in our individual journeys towards spiritual enlightenment. My sincere thanks and gratitude to all those who have worked tirelessly (past & present), in maintaining this sites presence and integrity on the internet. The close friendship and bonds that have resulted~ were truly the bonus for me!


At this point in time I have chosen to live and let live ...

Hopefully you will to ...

After all, how can one not resist that 'Svengali' smile.





http://projectavalon.net/Amazon/Bill_Ryan_by_waterfall.jpg

What Motivates Bill Ryan of Project Avalon Community Forum?

[Dear Reader]

Whoooaaaaa there. If I wasn't already wide-awake, I am now!

That's not an image you wanna see 1st thing in the morning. It should come with some sort of warning! :shocked:

[Kathy]

Whoooaaaaa there. If I wasn't already wide-awake, I am now!

That's not an image you wanna see 1st thing in the morning. It should come with some sort of warning! :shocked:

Not an image I would want to see any time of day or night. I will not focus on it.

Gio stated "At this point in time I have chosen to live and let live ..." and I agree. BR is of no importance or concern to me and, furthermore, does not deserve even an iota of my energy :onthequite::onthequite:.

[Fred Steeves]

Remember when your parents taught you to always look both ways crossing the street? Pretty important lesson eh?

Figuring out BR and his Projects is kind of similar to that; congratulations, you've now learned not to walk out in front of that one particular car (many never will), but keep in mind there are many other cars on the road.

[Elen]

Not an image I would want to see any time of day or night. I will not focus on it.

Gio stated "At this point in time I have chosen to live and let live ..." and I agree. BR is of no importance or concern to me and, furthermore, does not deserve even an iota of my energy :onthequite::onthequite:.

I hear you loud and clear Sister...and I'm with you on this! :h5:

[Emil El Zapato]

whaaa?! BR is a bundle of scintillating energy. Can't you see it radiate from him in that picture? I think he was caught in a moment of experiencing the divine feminine. Not that there's anything wrong with that! :frantic:

[Kathy]

whaaa?! BR is a bundle of scintillating energy. Can't you see it radiate from him in that picture? I think he was caught in a moment of experiencing the divine feminine. Not that there's anything wrong with that! :frantic:

His eyes are very black, or am I seeing things? I can't look too long.

[enjoy being]

As I have said before, that is a photo of his twin sister Belinda competing in the Miss Tasmania pageant, and it is often unfairly posted as if it were Bill there looking all womanly and free.

[Emil El Zapato]

As I have said before, that is a photo of his twin sister Belinda competing in the Miss Tasmania pageant, and it is often unfairly posted as if it were Bill there looking all womanly and free.

lol :lol:

[Aragorn]

I told you guys that Bill Ryan was aiming for a comeback when he started doing those interviews with The Dark Journalist about Corey Goode earlier this year, and then the one with Richard Dolan, didn't I? ;)


: Sherlock:

Well, it either way looks like there may be some extra financial revenue headed the way of El Sombrero™ and Kerry Cassidy. UFOtv has a new sensationalist video out which features the both of them, as well as Richard Dolan.

It's about "Alternative 3", and it's not on YouTube, but instead it's being streamed on Amazon, although UFOtv did put a trailer up on YouTube...




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZe4cKfw_jc


Trigger warning: The above video contains close-up footage of Bill Ryan. :p

[Emil El Zapato]

that's pretty hi falutin' though isn't. A stream on Amazon?

[Fred Steeves]

UFOtv has a new sensationalist video out which features the both of them, as well as Richard Dolan.

For one who is supposedly this world class researcher that can sniff out something afoul from a mile away, once again Dolan displays at the very least, this certain blind spot wide enough to drive an 18 wheeler through.

I'm waiting for JPF to hop fully on this bandwagon as well, let's expand this "all star" panel.

[Emil El Zapato]

is that the stream Fred? UFOtv

[Aragorn]

For one who is supposedly this world class researcher that can sniff out something afoul from a mile away, once again Dolan displays at the very least, this certain blind spot wide enough to drive an 18 wheeler through.

I'm waiting for JPF to hop fully on this bandwagon as well, let's expand this "all star" panel.

I am actually surprised that he isn't in there already. And of course, they could step it up and bring David Wilcock, Alfred Lambremont Webre and Michael Salla on board as well, but all three of them have pledged their support to Corey Goode and his blue birdies, so that wouldn't work. :p

And after their clash of egos — in Barcelona, wasn't it? — with Steven Greer, they can't bring him on board anymore either, but hey, they've got the next best thing; they've got Stephen Bassett. :p Andrew Basiago is out too, because he threw El Sombrero™ under the bus during his interview with Randy Maugans, but at least Laura Eisenhower is there to tell us all about the weather on Mars. :D

Now all we still need is Arthur "Henry Deacon" Neumann, maybe topped off with just a little bit of Bob Dean for that smidgeon of "credible military whistleblower" flavor. ;) And maybe some L. Marzulli for that Roman-Catholic aroma when the plates are being served out to the guests. :p

By the way, those are not prawns in that bowl on the table. They're mantises, with kind regards from Simon Parkes. :whstl: :ttr: :ha:

[Emil El Zapato]

I love Bob Dean...mantis or delusional...

Who is JPF?

[Fred Steeves]

Aragorn, stop in man your killing me! :lol:

[Aragorn]

I love Bob Dean...mantis or delusional...

Who is JPF?

Joseph P. Farrell. ;) Yes, Fred is an Acronymian too. I've already scheduled an appointment for him at the Acronymian Rehab Center. :p

[Fred Steeves]

Joseph P. Farrell. ;) Yes, Fred is an Acronymian too. I've already scheduled an appointment for him at the Acronymian Rehab Center. :p

Guilty as charged. Hard habit to break, especially for those who are former USN :p

[Octopus Garden]

edited out

[Dumpster Diver]

I am actually surprised that he isn't in there already. And of course, they could step it up and bring David Wilcock, Alfred Lambremont Webre and Michael Salla on board as well, but all three of them have pledged their support to Corey Goode and his blue birdies, so that wouldn't work. :p

And after their clash of egos — in Barcelona, wasn't it? — with Steven Greer, they can't bring him on board anymore either, but hey, they've got the next best thing; they've got Stephen Bassett. :p Andrew Basiago is out too, because he threw El Sombrero™ under the bus during his interview with Randy Maugans, but at least Laura Eisenhower is there to tell us all about the weather on Mars. :D

Now all we still need is Arthur "Henry Deacon" Neumann, maybe topped off with just a little bit of Bob Dean for that smidgeon of "credible military whistleblower" flavor. ;) And maybe some L. Marzulli for that Roman-Catholic aroma when the plates are being served out to the guests. :p

By the way, those are not prawns in that bowl on the table. They're mantises, with kind regards from Simon Parkes. :whstl: :ttr: :ha:

ROFLMAO :hilarious:

Argon, you’ve either out done yourself, or have been around this stuff for too long. :smiley-dance013:

[Aragorn]

ROFLMAO :hilarious:

Argon, you’ve either out done yourself, or have been around this stuff for too long. :smiley-dance013:

Well, they are a bit of an incestuous crowd, aren't they? When push comes to shove, they're all scratching each other's backs while selling scifi/horror stories to the kids. :tea:

By the way, how's that ascension coming along, Dimpster Duvet? :onthequite:

[Dumpster Diver]

Well, they are a bit of an incestuous crowd, aren't they? When push comes to shove, they're all scratching each other's backs while selling scifi/horror stories to the kids. :tea:

By the way, how's that ascension coming along, Dimpster Duvet? :onthequite:

...as my folks back in Alabama used to say, you can call me anything as long as you call me to dinner.

[Aragorn]

...as my folks back in Alabama used to say, you can call me anything as long as you call me to dinner.

Hey, you started it by calling me Argon. :p I'm not that volatile. :onthequite:

[sandy]

Next thing you know you bunch are going to become script writers for SNL...too fuuny...thanks I needed a good laugh. :h5:

[Dreamtimer]

The Excellent Adventures of Argon and Dimpster Duvet. Covering things in a sleepy veil, and then blowing them up!:magic:

[Dumpster Diver]

Jokes aside, I do struggle (as well as Geo, I’m sure) with many words. Add in the notorious Apple spell checker, and the one here at TOT (these bots seem to struggle over the words with each other like bad guy ETs fight over our planet) and I can get lost at Cee.

Agorathorn loves to lord his superior spelling skills over us lesser spelling mortals. Karma awaits him in his next life. :meditating:

[Aragorn]

Jokes aside, I do struggle (as well as Geo, I’m sure) with many words. Add in the notorious Apple spell checker, and the one here at TOT (these bots seem to struggle over the words with each other like bad guy ETs fight over our planet) and I can get lost at Cee.

Um, The One Truth does not utilize any spell checker, Dumptruck Driver. The spell check comes from whatever your browser invokes, but it's either way something that's installed on your local computer, or whatever other device you are connecting to the forum with. Many browsers use their own built-in spell checker, based upon the default language chosen.


Agorathorn loves to lord his superior spelling skills over us lesser spelling mortals. Karma awaits him in his next life. :meditating:

If it's up to me, then there won't be any next life. ;) But then again, in your opinion you are me on another timeline, and if that were true, then you are undoubtedly already experiencing that karma now. :p

[Dumpster Diver]

Um, The One Truth does not utilize any spell checker, Dumptruck Driver. The spell check comes from whatever your browser invokes, but it's either way something that's installed on your local computer, or whatever other device you are connecting to the forum with. Many browsers use their own built-in spell checker, based upon the default language chosen.



If it's up to me, then there won't be any next life. ;) But then again, in your opinion you are me on another timeline, and if that were true, then you are undoubtedly already experiencing that karma now. :p

...or maybe it’s you suffering me?

That’s a thought: I’m the karma you TOT guys are suffering due to all the nasty things you did the last time around?

BTW, If me = God, and You = God, therefore I’m = You holds, your “exit ticket” is most likely invalid.

[Aragorn]

I told you guys that Bill Ryan was aiming for a comeback when he started doing those interviews with The Dark Journalist about Corey Goode earlier this year, and then the one with Richard Dolan, didn't I? ;)


: Sherlock:

Well, it either way looks like there may be some extra financial revenue headed the way of El Sombrero™ and Kerry Cassidy. UFOtv has a new sensationalist video out which features the both of them, as well as Richard Dolan.

It's about "Alternative 3", and it's not on YouTube, but instead it's being streamed on Amazon, although UFOtv did put a trailer up on YouTube...




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZe4cKfw_jc


Trigger warning: The above video contains close-up footage of Bill Ryan. :p


Having looked at the comments on YouTube for this trailer today, I don't know what's more pathetic: the fact that Billzebub™ & Co are trying to make a comeback, or the fact that the Flat-Earthers are all over that comment section like flies on a turd... :rolleyes:



:fpalm:

[Dumpster Diver]

Billzebub !!

We gotta compile all of Darth Hatman’s many names...

...and don’t forget The Cat in the Hat.

[Emil El Zapato]

well, I watched 'Alternative 3'. If I didn't know better I would have sworn that it was meant to be a comedy. I'm in my resident critic mode at the moment:

misspellings, mispronunciations, etc. It was ludicrous. I feel kind of bad for these people.

NAP

I hope no one noticed... :blsh:

[DMt.]

...I recall BR recently (this year) describing the end of Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance as something very special. I have not read the book, but the ending describes the death of a son, who had been his passenger and until near the end only ever seen his father’s back. I shouldn’t be at all surprised if something in his personal biography was being played out here.

Umm, please allow me to clarify here, at the risk of offtopicness or 'spoilers' for prospective readers;

Z&AMM is indeed fictionalised autobiography, like the sequel Lila, and Mr. Pirsig's son Chris did indeed die [apparently from being stabbed in a random mugging], but it's not part of the end of that book. The ending there is actually pretty upbeat and hopeful.

[araucaria]

Umm, please allow me to clarify here, at the risk of offtopicness or 'spoilers' for prospective readers;

Z&AMM is indeed fictionalised autobiography, like the sequel Lila, and Mr. Pirsig's son Chris did indeed die [apparently from being stabbed in a random mugging], but it's not part of the end of that book. The ending there is actually pretty upbeat and hopeful.

You misunderstand me: I wasn't referring to Mr Pirsig. Never mind.

[Aragorn]

It would appear that Ol' Billzebub™ has found himself a new business venture (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100663-Regression-sessions-offered-to-Avalon-Members-and-Guests-by-Will-Berlinghof-or-Bill-Ryan&p=1191938&viewfull=1#post1191938) in the footsteps of Count Comb-Over™. :p

He's only charging USD $150 per session. Over Skype*, of course, because we wouldn't want to keep the Central Intelligence Agency, the Department of Homeland Security, the Defense Intelligence Agency and the National Security Agency — colloquially also known as "No Such Agency" — out of the loop on account of what's cooking in the so-called "alternative community" now, would we? :D


:ttr: :fpalm:










* Skype is proprietary software — which means that not only do you not know whatever the hell it's doing, but you are legally also not even allowed to find out — and it is owned by Microsoft, which has ongoing multi-million-dollar contracts with a whole slew of US alphabet soup agencies.

Skype has repeatedly been in the news regarding security leaks and controversies regarding the privacy of its users. And in spite of all that, it is apparently still the preferred platform for Project Avalon staff communication.

I shall now feign absolute ignorance and posit that perhaps someone with an understanding greater than mine would be able to explain why that is the case.


:rolleyes:

[Fred Steeves]

I've been quietly sitting back watching this latest mutation slowly materialize between these parties, and my only comment is entirely predictable: "Buyer Beware".

[Dreamtimer]

60-90 minutes, over Skype, and recorded. :hmm:


I'll stick with the dreams.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a9/Briullov%2C_Karl_-_A_Dream_of_a_Girl_Before_a_Sunrise.jpg/220px-Briullov%2C_Karl_-_A_Dream_of_a_Girl_Before_a_Sunrise.jpg

[enjoy being]

Ahh great, thanks for this reminder, I have been trying to find a way to bring up some fantastic news, and the mention of this new Cam channel seems like a perfect opportunity.
I have been spending a lot of time in recent weeks finalising the details on an exciting new service I intend to offer, further details will be released exclusively in coming days and I am very excited to bring this exciting prospect to you all first!

[Dreamtimer]

Artistic regression? Past life painting? Starseed sculpture? Mindful macrame?

[Dumpster Diver]

Artistic regression? Past life painting? Starseed sculpture? Mindful macrame?

:hilarious::smiley-dance013::ha:

[Dear Reader]

What Motivates Bill Ryan of Project Avalon Community Forum? Looks like $150 per regression session right now.

Is there no end to the Cat's talents? He gonna take you back, way back, way back to a time in space, a time within time and help you clear that stuck energy, that negative loosh that's been a lingering' around. You knows it, youva felt it but couldn't put yo finger on just what it was, until now! Ol' Billderado, the unpaid Bill, the DOLLAR BILL will ease that ol' neg energy right outta yo soul!! Roll up, roll up, $150 only.

FREE YO' SELF!

[Aragorn]

What Motivates Bill Ryan of Project Avalon Community Forum? Looks like $150 per regression session right now.

Is there no end to the Cat's talents? He gonna take you back, way back, way back to a time in space, a time within time and help you clear that stuck energy, that negative loosh that's been a lingering' around. You knows it, youva felt it but couldn't put yo finger on just what it was, until now! Ol' Billderado, the unpaid Bill, the DOLLAR BILL will ease that ol' neg energy right outta yo soul!! Roll up, roll up, $150 only.

FREE YO' SELF!


:ttr: :lol: :ha: :hilarious:

But wait, there's more! Once he takes you back up into the realm between lives, you can get to meet God. And here he comes... First a vague silhouette appearing in a cloud, then you see some color appear, and then finally, there he is, and he's wearing a hat! :p

[Dear Reader]

:ttr: :lol: :ha: :hilarious:

But wait, there's more! Once he takes you back up into the realm between lives, you can get to meet God. And here he comes... First a vague silhouette appearing in a cloud, then you see some color appear, and then finally, there he is, and he's wearing a hat! :p

Da-Da-Daaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh.................

[Fred Steeves]

But wait, there's more! Once he takes you back up into the realm between lives, you can get to meet God. And here he comes...
And here I thought you were going to say it's Xenu. :eyebrows:

[Dear Reader]

Oh Dagnabit!!

I thought this was breaking nooz... With a screen name of The Reader, maybe I should do dat in da future, READ!

[enjoy being]

Artistic regression? Past life painting? Starseed sculpture? Mindful macrame?

Huh, how the heck did you manage to guess them all? And how much do you charge?

[pointessa]

I was really surprised to see Bill Ryan is selling his services as a Regression Therapist on his forum. Kind of shocking after the uproar about his ex wife, Christine offering her services for free as a healer because she wasn't trained or qualified to do so. He was so careful to make sure that he wasn't being affiliated with these untrained healers due to the damage they might cause. I guess all that is out the window now. All of the sudden he is a therapist and is good enough to charge 150 dollars a session. Oh, the hypocrisy hurts. Funny, the things people will do for a few bucks. And really, who can call you out on a wrong past life. It is an almost foolproof gig, although I am pretty sure Bill has convinced himself he is the real deal.

I guess his failure at a comeback with the Corey G revelations didn't work, so if you can't beat them, join them. Of one thing I am sure, he will never see the truth of this. I believe he is totally lacking into self insight. I wonder how many of his dwindling followers will shell out 150 bucks without questioning his credentials in the least. I would find the idea of letting him toy with my sub conscious terrifying. In fact, in the US, he would be breaking the law, selling those services without credentials.

[Fred Steeves]

Some very astute observations you make concerning credentials, especially considering the healing group dust up as you point out. I sure wouldn't hold my breath waiting for anyone to ask for credentials; I'm sorely tempted to ask through my somewhat recently activated account there, but that would tend to raise an unnecessary red flag now wouldn't it? :)

Here's food for thought though: I could of course be dead wrong here, but as Bill is pretty high up in the free zone Scientology circles, I suspect that this has certain auditing components to it. This would definitely count as credentials anyway.

[Octopus Garden]

Bill sent me a pm when I revealed I had a chronic illness on his forum. He was very kind and understanding -- sent me a reference to a local healer, too. I don't know much about auditing, but from the little I know, it seems that hypnosis is a part of it. So, in that respect, could he not be considered to have some experience?

I don't mean any disrespect and understand some of those here have had some major disagreements with Bill Ryan. But, I think it's important to give him credit where it is due.

He might make a great past life regressionist. Maybe that's his calling.

[Kathy]

But, I think it's important to give him credit where it is due.

He might make a great past life regressionist. Maybe that's his calling.

Do you think he really wants to give up his power trip so late in his life or has he cottoned on to how to earn a few bucks as the healer's/healers' agent? I truly feel that disagreements with BR have caused fellow members to re-assess his character and withdraw their trust in him. Saying so does not mean that I intend to demean your feeling for him.

[Octopus Garden]

Hi Kathy,

I don't have any strong feelings for or about BRyan. I am also very aware that we all have a darker side and some have a Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde personality. Often, the worst types, in that regard, are the people we would least suspect...until it's too late. When that happens it can be really damaging.

So there is all of that I consider when analyzing people. There is also, I think, those who are zealous to find 'the truth,' and it forever evades them, trickster like. The more it evades them, the harder they try to find it. They double down, develop a kind of singular focus, get into patterns of wishful thinking. Their egos and finances become more dependant on finding "the truth," as their capacity for critical thought erodes, in a positive feedback loop.

Amd if BRyan has engaged in personal study of alien abductions, there is a whole other tier of trickster like phenomena he would have engaged. I have seen people ruined by pursuing that one too far! Their lives turn to sh**.

So there is the typical sociopath who can't be trusted and then there are those who start out well intentioned and then end up first, screwing themselves over and then everybody who gets close to them.

[Emil El Zapato]

Artistic regression? Past life painting? Starseed sculpture? Mindful macrame?

I think I was Leonardo DaVinci in a past life...no really... no, not really... :)


What Motivates Bill Ryan of Project Avalon Community Forum? Looks like $150 per regression session right now.

Is there no end to the Cat's talents? He gonna take you back, way back, way back to a time in space, a time within time and help you clear that stuck energy, that negative loosh that's been a lingering' around. You knows it, youva felt it but couldn't put yo finger on just what it was, until now! Ol' Billderado, the unpaid Bill, the DOLLAR BILL will ease that ol' neg energy right outta yo soul!! Roll up, roll up, $150 only.

FREE YO' SELF!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2_snSkpULQ

[Dumpster Diver]

Bill sent me a pm when I revealed I had a chronic illness on his forum. He was very kind and understanding -- sent me a reference to a local healer, too. I don't know much about auditing, but from the little I know, it seems that hypnosis is a part of it. So, in that respect, could he not be considered to have some experience?

I don't mean any disrespect and understand some of those here have had some major disagreements with Bill Ryan. But, I think it's important to give him credit where it is due.

He might make a great past life regressionist. Maybe that's his calling.

At $150 a pop, I'm sure it will be great for somebody.

...ok but suppose you got the money, with his documented Scientologist background you want him poking around in your brain?

[Dreamtimer]

Nope. Not for money, not for free. My head's mine to run.

[sandy]

Well the run downs will get to a point where there is nothing more to say or can be evoked and thus the last thing mentioned will be the lead in to your answer of who you were, are or may be.......:scrhd: Lets discuss this and see where it goes............... :nails: .....supposition anyone???

[enjoy being]

Well the run downs will get to a point where there is nothing more to say or can be evoked and thus the last thing mentioned will be the lead in to your answer of who you were, are or may be.......:scrhd: Lets discuss this and see where it goes............... :nails: .....supposition anyone???

I definitely feel less embarrassed running down Brussels Sprouts and Broad Beans. This thread just goes on and on and on, and even though I have said a few times that I would prefer to ignore it, it's like a scratching post. I'm not very invested in any ill feelings towards the shrills and phoneys of the 'alt community', but freely will use them as comedic material. But that really is not an excuse, it still becomes pretty dour humour to what I world 'prize'.

*searches for thread ignore button*

[Aragorn]

*searches for thread ignore button*

Scroll up to the first post on this page and click on Thread Tools, right above that post. The last option in the drop-down menu reads "Ignore this Thread". ;)


:ht:

[Dumpster Diver]

Back to topic:

Now even Steven Greer is on Gaia TV. He has appeared on several Deep Space programs with GTV.

So now only Darth Hatman and his evil hench-buddy Kerry has not gotten some Gaia bux...no wait, Kerry was on Buzzsaw in GTV, right?

Ok, Robert David Steele and Dark Journalist haven't either...

...now where is Donk when you need him?

[modwiz]

Back to topic:

Now even Steven Greer is on Gaia TV. He has appeared on several Deep Space programs with GTV.

So now only Darth Hatman and his evil hench-buddy Kerry has not gotten some Gaia bux...no wait, Kerry was on Buzzsaw in GTV, right?

Ok, Robert David Steele and Dark Journalist haven't either...

...now where is Donk when you need him?

It's getting to be like a Rogue's Gallery with the Gaiatv line-up. Dark Jounalist is part of the laughably named 'dark alliance', a term composed by the rogue's gallery group (RGG). Bill is such an odious fellow that he falls into a separate category whereby, association with him has to measured carefully. He is a far more toxic person than generally known but, hardly a threat and certainly not deserving of a thread bearing his name.

It is coming up on the Xmas season and since we already invoke some South Park terms with Mr. Hat, let us not forget the Xmas spirit that Mr. Hankie, the Xmas Poo, brings to us.

Mr. Hat, Mr. Hankie. What's the difference? :eyebrows:

[Dumpster Diver]

It's getting to be like a Rogue's Gallery with the Gaiatv line-up. Dark Jounalist is part of the laughably named 'dark alliance', a term composed by the rogue's gallery group (RGG). Bill is such an odious fellow that he falls into a separate category whereby, association with him has to measured carefully. He is a far more toxic person than generally known but, hardly a threat and certainly not deserving of a thread bearing his name.

It is coming up on the Xmas season and since we already invoke some South Park terms with Mr. Hat, let us not forget the Xmas spirit that Mr. Hankie, the Xmas Poo, brings to us.

Mr. Hat, Mr. Hankie. What's the difference? :eyebrows:

Looks like Jay Weidner, or whoever runs GTV, is trying to do “big tent” Alt-world politics sorta like when the American Republicans talked about doing big tent politics but never convinced folks they really meant it.

I enjoy the stuff presented there. Most presentations are 1/2 hr long, which, granted, is much, much longer than my attention span (I typically fall asleep, but in my conspiracy mind, “the Archons made me do it”...so, refreshed, I rewind to a place I remember and watch to the end). A lot of topics are covered in a non-rambling way. It’s kinda like Entertainment Tonight for the alt-world.

I’m a simple person...

[Dear Reader]

The Cat has started to refer to himself in the third person. Always a worry, and usually a sign.

Won't be long now, I tell thee.

[donk]

hardly a threat and certainly not deserving of a thread bearing his name.

c'mon man..very few that get their own thread "deserve" it, but your idea guy John Lamb Lash certainly does, his life/interactions are very interesting and if you've interacted with anyone who's come out of his cu...er...groups you might be surprised.

As far as on topic, the mn who brought us Serpo, then got a lineup of pretty much half the peeps of the who's who that got their own threads thereafter AFTER Serpo was debunked, then CREATED the monster that is Corey Goode (maybe not worthy of his own thread, but Bill and his fans got him DW's attention that made him gaia-tv famous) is definitely worthy of his own here...especially since its a hub for recovering PA addicts like us.

Remember the days when we took PA (and the ideas shared there...and the threads with people who've done much less) seriously? Well it appears that there's some people that still do...so ust because he's not twisting sophianic gnosticism to get attention doesn't make THAT much different...let alone less thread worthy...that Lash or anyone else.

Yeah I agree b!tching about petty character flaws is silly and tiresome and taking cheap shots and throwing insults and jokes is childish and lame (though sometimes funny), it is what it is, and commenting on the thread that it isn't worth is kinda paradoxical

[Dumpster Diver]

I agree with Donk, The Hatman is a psyop menace feeding on OUR community. WE are the targets, not the muggles. The muggles are blind to this stuff.

This thread deserves to be bumped and rebumped...

[ArtyCarl]

I hope nobody minds me dragging up this old thread again but as a one time original Camelot and Avalon member I look back on my membership days with some sadness. Project Camelot WAS a community I was proud to be a member of and although I have been as critical of BR as most people, I don't get involved there anymore and my feelings have mellowed towards him over time. I remember waiting for new excerpts from the Serpo releases thinking the story was going to break any day and I would be watching it on the news (oh how optimistic I was).

Now I really think that BRs main problem was a desperation to be relevant right from the Serpo days, he felt he was at the heart of the alt community and maybe saw a special place for himself there.

When he and Kerry acrimoniously went their separate ways he started again with Avalon but this time HE was in charge.....only to be made a fool subsequently with the Charles nonsense, Corey Goode and even Pete Peterson whom he backed away from extremely quickly admitting they had not done their due diligence with him.

Now, Bill is tarnished with all this but probably still feels he is one whistleblower away from thrusting himself back to the forefront of the alt scene....unfortunately this desperation makes him ripe for being conned.

[Dumpster Diver]

I hope nobody minds me dragging up this old thread again but as a one time original Camelot and Avalon member I look back on my membership days with some sadness. Project Camelot WAS a community I was proud to be a member of and although I have been as critical of BR as most people, I don't get involved there anymore and my feelings have mellowed towards him over time. I remember waiting for new excerpts from the Serpo releases thinking the story was going to break any day and I would be watching it on the news (oh how optimistic I was).

Now I really think that BRs main problem was a desperation to be relevant right from the Serpo days, he felt he was at the heart of the alt community and maybe saw a special place for himself there.

When he and Kerry acrimoniously went their separate ways he started again with Avalon but this time HE was in charge.....only to be made a fool subsequently with the Charles nonsense, Corey Goode and even Pete Peterson whom he backed away from extremely quickly admitting they had not done their due diligence with him.

Now, Bill is tarnished with all this but probably still feels he is one whistleblower away from thrusting himself back to the forefront of the alt scene....unfortunately this desperation makes him ripe for being conned.

...so this is a switch: Darth Hatman as a victim. Everyone has an opinion, but I think not.

[Octopus Garden]

Arty,

Genuine whistleblowers, like Assange and Snowdon require an incredible amount of protection. There are some exceptions to this general rule of thumb and I think BR is on the lookout for those minor league players, working in secret projects, etc...who feel that going public provides a certain amount of protection.

However, because their information can't be independently verified it's really easy for anyone to come up with a good story and hoodwink those curious people looking for 'the truth.'

There are all sorts of games within games being played here. I view the whole truth seeking phenomenon now as a kind of evolutionary reboot, where seeking the truth ends up being a byproduct of something even more important.

Allow me to explain my hypothesis here. The most difficult exercise the brain performs is social interaction. We are processing vast amounts of information when we are socially engaged, even on the most mundane level.

Scientists are discovering that animals with the highest intelligence are the ones who live in tight social groups and the bigger the group, the more intelligent each individual animal is going to be.

Highly social animal societies require that individuals within it have a sophisticated theory of mind. In other words baboons have to be able to understand how and what, their compatriots are thinking. In order to form a reliable impression of 'what is really going on' moment by moment, they have to be able to somehow discount for deception, too. There is survival value for those who do it best and it drives brain evolution.

With humans the theory of mind has to extend to being able to think about what others are thinking but what they are thinking about what you are thinking about what they are thinking. Add to this the potential for even minor factual errors and minor deceptions AND how much your compatriot may or may not be aware of where and how the misperception or deception is occurring, in a back and forth exchange, and you can appreciate the processing power required.

The trickster phenomenon takes all of this one step farther and it is expressed on many different levels of interactions-- political, mundane and also in an invisible realm. Now we are tasked with first, trying to define what that invisible or occult realm is and then, how it interacts with an already exceedingly complex social sphere.

And figuring it out, if at all possible, has great value --- but the real value is finessing it all, as an individual -- and the subsequent evolutionary effects on the human brain/mind.

BR's function is to help bootstrap this process whether he is aware of that or not. Multi layers of potential deception is what he presents to his audience.




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[Dumpster Diver]

Arty,

Genuine whistleblowers, like Assange and Snowdon require an incredible amount of protection. There are some exceptions to this general rule of thumb and I think BR is on the lookout for those minor league players, working in secret projects, etc...who feel that going public provides a certain amount of protection.

However, because their information can't be independently verified it's really easy for anyone to come up with a good story and hoodwink those curious people looking for 'the truth.'

There are all sorts of games within games being played here. I view the whole truth seeking phenomenon now as a kind of evolutionary reboot, where seeking the truth ends up being a byproduct of something even more important.

Allow me to explain my hypothesis here. The most difficult exercise the brain performs is social interaction. We are processing vast amounts of information when we are socially engaged, even on the most mundane level.

Scientists are discovering that animals with the highest intelligence are the ones who live in tight social groups and the bigger the group, the more intelligent each individual animal is going to be.

Highly social animal societies require that individuals within it have a sophisticated theory of mind. In other words baboons have to be able to understand how and what, their compatriots are thinking. In order to form a reliable impression of 'what is really going on' moment by moment, they have to be able to somehow discount for deception, too. There is survival value for those who do it best and it drives brain evolution.

With humans the theory of mind has to extend to being able to think about what others are thinking but what they are thinking about what you are thinking about what they are thinking. Add to this the potential for even minor factual errors and minor deceptions AND how much your compatriot may or may not be aware of where and how the misperception or deception is occurring, in a back and forth exchange, and you can appreciate the processing power required.

The trickster phenomenon takes all of this one step farther and it is expressed on many different levels of interactions-- political, mundane and also in an invisible realm. Now we are tasked with first, trying to define what that invisible or occult realm is and then, how it interacts with an already exceedingly complex social sphere.

And figuring it out, if at all possible, has great value --- but the real value is finessing it all, as an individual -- and the subsequent evolutionary effects on the human brain/mind.

BR's function is to help bootstrap this process whether he is aware of that or not. Multi layers of potential deception is what he presents to his audience.




.

Nice. Bravo to the 8 armed dog sled driver...

[Fred Steeves]

ArtyCarl, long time no see.


I remember waiting for new excerpts from the Serpo releases thinking the story was going to break any day and I would be watching it on the news (oh how optimistic I was).

Man, you've been at this a lot longer than me. In '05/'06 when Serpo was going on, I was still reading corny spiritual books from Barnes N' Noble, and thinking W. was a great president.


Now I really think that BRs main problem was a desperation to be relevant right from the Serpo days, he felt he was at the heart of the alt community and maybe saw a special place for himself there.

How he got there in the first place is what really interest me any more. As I'm sure you'll recall he was somehow drafted into that private email circle of people (through Victor Martinez?) from various elite circles. The super secret insider "Anonymous" (Richard Doty?) contacted Martinez from there, but soon enough the ball was plopped in Ryan's lap.

Was that all just by chance?

Who all was in this elite group Bill felt so in awe of rubbing shoulders with? Quite possibly a bunch of Intel guys like Doty, Kit Green, and Hal Puthoff, from the later to be named "Team Of Five"? And also, maybe, just maybe, the vast majority of "insiders" he and Kerry would later interview with the next Project, Project Camelot?

Questions, questions, questions...


When he and Kerry acrimoniously went their separate ways he started again with Avalon but this time HE was in charge.....only to be made a fool subsequently with the Charles nonsense, Corey Goode and even Pete Peterson whom he backed away from extremely quickly admitting they had not done their due diligence with him.

That's something donk and I have gone round and round on for a few years now: Is he just an easy mark? A great chess player? Or somewhere in between?


The trickster phenomenon takes all of this one step farther and it is expressed on many different levels of interactions-- political, mundane and also in an invisible realm. Now we are tasked with first, trying to define what that invisible or occult realm is and then, how it interacts with an already exceedingly complex social sphere.

And figuring it out, if at all possible, has great value --- but the real value is finessing it all, as an individual -- and the subsequent evolutionary effects on the human brain/mind.

BR's function is to help bootstrap this process whether he is aware of that or not. Multi layers of potential deception is what he presents to his audience.

From my experience and observations thus far, 7+ years in now, "Where Science and Spirituality Meet" acts as both a honey pot with a secondary glass ceiling for wet behind the ears seekers, and a springboard to bigger and better things for those precious relative few who wind up "seeing" the trickster. Personally speaking, I'm forever thankful for the experience.

[Dumpster Diver]

When you get into the fact that entities, especially negative ones, have the tech to look down future timelines, it makes sense to set up a “honeytrap” to snare such.

Logic:

1. alt-world guys are the most knowledgeable and the most dangerous to you, especially insiders.
2. Insiders will wake up and will probably gravitate to others having same “symptoms.”
3. Construct a forum to bring them together.
4. Dialog with them, find out who they are, negate them by various means.

[Octopus Garden]

DDiver,

The various insiders seem to cancel each other out in online turf battles and the never ending Arthurian quest for eyeballs. Does Bill Ryan lie, in interpersonal affairs that cross over onto the forum? People claim he does. Does he flat out lie when he promotes one shyster after another? It seems like it but some of it could be due to wishful thinking that supports his Arthurian quest for more viewers.

And he should never but never give out personal info about anybody. That is just scary

[ArtyCarl]

I wouldn't call BR a victim, in fact I would categorise him as an opportunist. If I remember rightly he was struggling financially and saw a way of exploiting the rapid growth in numbers that the Charles information was going to bring. Reading the whole thread over at Nexus, where Richard laid out what was going on in back channels when a number of admins left, you would also have to say he was a rampant megalomaniac. Unfortunately couple those things with a large ego and you have someone who will bend the rules/truth to fit whatever narrative he happens to be supporting at the time.

[Dumpster Diver]

Well, it seems I need to add:

3.5 Find, grow, turn, and/or pay person(s) to create such a forum.

I contend Darth Hatman is the person.

[chocolate]

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[Dumpster Diver]

Chocolate, I can feel your pain in this writing. Yours and yours for Bill. I was going to write, “if Bill deserves it,” but everyone deserves consideration.

I don’t hate Bill, I don’t even dislike him (read my signature line, I really believe this). I’m nearly pointing out the logic behind why I think Bill is running a psyop. He himself may not even know why he is doing it, or even recognize he is doing such. But it makes sense to me, especially in light of the very many testimonies of folks who were once part of Avalon.

I’m a little unusual in that I do feel sorry for the perpetrators rather than the victims sometimes because I realize that the perps, in so acting, have built more karma to overcome, while the victims have burned off some.

[Emil El Zapato]

And, just to add,

If you recall the image of Bill Ryan next to the waterfall, together with other photos of him, with my personal impression added during and after my forum interaction with him, as personal or impersonal as it could have been taken, my father who was definitely older than Bill had a lot in common physically with Bill Ryan. I come from visual intelligence, mostly, if one can align the intelligence as any separate expression with something isolated, and I receive an immediate impression of people by seeing their faces, bodies, postures, and reactions. My father passed away, suffered all his life, and he only shared with me one single event which opened up a world of possible experiences he might have had. He once told me, not without feeling embarrassed, that he could “get up from within his body while being asleep and observe his lying body from the corner of the room’s ceiling”. And I lived by his side for 64 years...
So, it must always be in our awareness that we might share, in extremes of circumstances, what we otherwise would have put deep below the surface of our experiences, for reasons various and very valid to our sane lives and future.

I remember reading a thread posted by TraineeHuman thinking that for some very specific reason not only he sounds very close to me, but he sounded as if it was Bill Ryan writing, or speaking from within my own mind or soul.
That was back then.
Then, I witnessed TraineeHuman’s thread going in a very strange direction, and I started to doubt the whole purpose of me being on that forum, apart from the happiness I once felt at “meeting” indirectly with TH.

I also remember feeling as if my heart chakra, if that would still exist in a woman, being pierced by great pain, by looking at a specific point in time on Bill Ryan’s forum, somewhere, I don’t remember now where among all threads.
Then, he started to sound more and more “superficial” to me in some of his threads...

And, then, my father passed away, but before that “I got up from within my sleeping body”, without knowing where to go, but upon returning I felt much less ill than the hours before.

I don’t believe in reincarnations, and I know two people loved me ever — my father and my sister. I cannot not care about somebody who was once closer to somebody who loved me.
I think I cannot love anybody, out of self-preservation, and, that is a very lonely way to live and die here...

If you have family to love...no other love is necessary. If you don't have any family then that truly is a lonely place to be. I've been there and don't want to be again.

[palooka's revenge]

...... I think I cannot love anybody, out of self-preservation, and, that is a very lonely way to live and die here...

Ironically, u are far from alone in such alone-ness. And for the same reason. Most of us are not so honest about it as you though.

[chocolate]

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[Emil El Zapato]

He will abandoned you, again, for he is human. He will hurt you, again, for he acts, too, in self-preservation...
Most people had forgotten how sinful they have been, and they can be. I only keep reminding them, but that, too, has its times. Here all the Priests who ever had the courage to speak directly admitted that they have a great sin. Is it theirs, or are they trying, who can say.
I can only, probably, ask you to try not to see the most negative in Bill Ryan, or in anybody, because that sends both of everyone into an abyss from which we are still trying to climb up.

If he is that narcissistic as to assume he has the power to extort money, or any other positive change any of us have managed to materialize or manifest, let him judge himself alone. But, I can feel you painful memory of the experience of being, on the surface as if, lied to, not just once.

I think there always is a way, for as long as life continues.
“And God saw it was good”.

You can be in the deepest darkness, but for as long as you can wish for something other than the most negative for yourself, or for as long as you will ever exist, somebody will reach for you.

And, to finally close this chapter, as ever briefly to try to close it, don’t “try to sell” who you are or what you can do... which always saddened me most, but before I had literally no idea it was all about demonstration one’s value, over there, or over here. We have a value which is immeasurable, and human life will be preserved, if we don’t fall back into the darkness of hatred and despair. And, if you could, please help all the passed away people to judge us or themselves, a bit less.

I so never cared about Ryan’s private life... until he attempted too much of a lie on my own existence, here. Yes, he destroyed something of a value to me as well. I can only ask to forget.

Never let another human being be the judge of your value...easier said than done, of course, but true nevertheless.

[chocolate]

Yes ...

The place (Avalon Forum) where BR and his Crew can smugly denounce and dictate
what BR and his (so called) expert friends can stamp what's valid (truth) or not ...

Always remembering all along - BR (and his crew) pushed the likes of Charles, Simon,
Corey, Shane, etc etc ...

Having to even chide myself for not calling him out long before i stop posting at PA2 ...

Now quite deservedly qualifying to be called ~ Project Ryantology ... :holysheep:

You know, giovonni,

Apart from missing your news thread, probably out of ... (I lost the exact word!), sad current feeling about past pleasant feeling in a situation?,

While I was on the projectavalon forum I could never fully connect to some of you. I remember you mostly from the post of a film I watched. It was about a woman who showed different time-frames to a man who had fallen in love, I think, mostly with her physically beautiful body.

It doesn’t help too much even if one has a physically beautiful body.
I have had a friend, her names is also very beautiful, who went “over” to the United Kingdom to join her brother in his life, and hopefully to have a better opportunity to work in architecture. She is, probably, as beautiful as she was from when we studied together, but on few occasions I felt as if she constantly found it difficult to survive, to the point of perhaps drinking quite a bit. She is what I think a dream-woman is judging by all the men who I have known, so far.

So, it could be that Bill Ryan has done what he could do. Neither of us, being literally just online-friends, could know what motivates him, or his life achievements. It is not in my liking to say that he is “flawed as any human being”. If I couldn’t be exact in what I do, for the reasons I’m doing those things, I wouldn’t be doing them, and I assume he has done exactly that, postponing his actions until gathering his own ground on why he keeps doing whatever that is.

I look at everyone as I look at myself, perhaps I even look respectfully at everyone else more than upon myself, probably because I value the shared time more than the constant attempts at judgement. But, I most definitely miss some of you, from there and then, without being able to iterate why I miss you exactly.
There is a big “empty” feeling about some of you. Is it of your doing, or of my missteps, I don’t know.

I definitely have an “empty” feeling on the side of Aragorn. Will he respectfully try to make me leave this forum, (too), will be his own decision to make. I have grown tired to try resist the strong tide of ... (another instance of not finding the exact word...) overwhelming, unnecessary pulling down on somebody else.

But, I am hopeful that even if I have one grain of sand, I can see the universe in it, there and then.

I, too, have never tried to sell who I am, but have been often perceived as if I did. Very often the immediate realization of what is happening internally in an interaction I have managed to override, but I have preserved the original moment, out of respect for both sides, giving everyone the space. I think everyone reacts in the same way, similar to the way I described it in the previous sentence.

We should never forget, I think, as people, that behind literal appearances there are great accumulations of supportive manifestation. And, some like me, will keep, perhaps, manifesting, without a current desire to materialize fully. And, because most here chose to speak with sexual nuances, where GF could mean a “girl friend” as in a woman who is not your wife yet, but you have sex with her, the reason why your GF could be weird, unhappy, dissatisfied, etc. quite bothersome to me finalisations of your feelings ( which finalisations I find ... immature to say it at best ), could be because she might have felt treated as if like a sexual object selling herself for her and her children’s future better opportunity of not being constantly hurt!
I sometimes struggle to find the reason of why both sexes keep trying to lie to one-another. I know only one excuse for this constant “battle”, and that is the love for one’s children, believing that they and their better fortune can motivate your current suffering, as if children are to be born dumbed out as to what the parents have felt...

You would not quite believe me, but I have had a much clearer internal understanding with Karl Lagerfeld, who I will never meet in current time, than with any of my “male” colleagues. I can connect to women based on internal experience, but not based on love, too, although here a woman feeling love for another woman would make her definitely much less prone to becoming lesbian. ...

Too much of honest words in one post!
I often wonder, if men can be so hurtful in an obscure manner verbally, how has this world survived if it hadn’t been for the rules of all Religion, and of our ability to make ourselves believe in lies or in possibilities.

[Elen]

I definitely have an “empty” feeling on the side of Aragorn. Will he respectfully try to make me leave this forum, (too), will be his own decision to make. I have grown tired to try resist the strong tide of ...

Take my word for it Chocolate, Aragorn would never "push you out"...neither would I, Dreamtimer or Malc for that sake. Be safe ;), because you are welcome here.

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[palooka's revenge]

....... Too much of honest words in one post!
I often wonder, if men can be so hurtful in an obscure manner verbally, how has this world survived if it hadn’t been for the rules of all Religion....

Welcome Chocolate!

One size don't fit all but, I can see your point.

[Fred Steeves]

Cristian can be found here:
http://earthempaths.net/forum/phpBB3/index.php

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[Aragorn]

You know, giovonni,

Apart from missing your news thread, probably out of ... (I lost the exact word!), sad current feeling about past pleasant feeling in a situation?,[...]

Just for the record, my friend, Gio has already left The One Truth again some time ago. As I understand it, the main reason would have been related to his health and a new kind of therapy he was going to try, but it must also be said that near the end of his tenure here, Gio had become very territorial and ego-driven, and he even went so far as to publicly express his distrust in myself — not just once but twice in a row — this notwithstanding the fact that we had already spoken extensively by way of a video link and that we had been friends earlier.

Either way, Gio left of his own device. Nobody here made him leave. It was his own decision, and as we do with every member who requests the retirement of their account, we have extended him a 24-hour grace time before moving his account into retirement, just in case he were to have changed his mind. But he didn't. Instead — and sadly enough — he chose to burn a few bridges on his way out.

As for his threads, Gio had two active threads here, i.e.:


Gio's Cosmic Emporium (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/9965-Gio-s-Cosmic-Emporium); and
Musings From The Great Northwest (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11004-Musings-From-The-Great-Northwest).




I definitely have an “empty” feeling on the side of Aragorn. Will he respectfully try to make me leave this forum, (too), will be his own decision to make. I have grown tired to try resist the strong tide of ... (another instance of not finding the exact word...) overwhelming, unnecessary pulling down on somebody else.

I would never even dream of driving you away, my friend — or anyone else for that matter, whether I personally like them or dislike them. I'm not that kind of person. A few of our members on the other hand would very much like it if I myself were to disappear... :hmm:

As I told you earlier, your presence here is valued and appreciated, by myself as well as by my colleagues in the mod room. ;) :hugs:





Aragorn on that same forum had a completely different avatar picture, but I can’t be sure what that picture was.

When I signed up here at The One Truth, I initially had the same avatar as back at Project Avalon. However, as I wanted to distance myself from that memory, I also chose to change my avatar. Besides, I had gotten tired of seeing that one next to my posts. It was a still photo from "The Fellowship Of The Ring". ;)





[...]

Initially when I wrote to Aragorn with this question in mind he answered to my inquiry pointing me to the same forum. I only once visited that forum, earthempaths.net, some years ago, and I think I never repeated my visit. In that forum Cristian had his avatar name with a small letter “c” at the start where originally his avatar name was with a capital letter “C”. To me that was important then somehow, but it has grown in importance for me recently. And, besides that fact, that forum seemed more like a personal blog of somebody named Christine. Who Christine is, if I try to forget about the avatar picture of a funny-looking, cute tiger on the forum of Bill Ryan with the avatar name Christine, I cannot be sure, but if that were to be the same Christine I respected her desire for a more individual, perhaps more private, place, if you can label it in such a way.

Earth Empaths is the forum of Christine Anderson, who used to be a moderator at Project Avalon, and who was married to Bill Ryan at the time — in fact, to the best of my knowledge, they are still not officially divorced, due to legal reasons. I am still in touch with Christine via email, even though it has been a while now since our last exchange.

Christine started Earth Empaths after she left El Sombrero™, together with Claudia (formerly known at Project Avalon as Karelia), Cristian, and several other ex-Avalon members and moderators. :)

[Dreamtimer]

'Tis true. People don't get 'pushed out' here.

Members who are banned have specifically broken rules and have been warned beforehand. That would be via infraction and/or being warned via PM and pointed to the relevant rule(s).

Members who want to retire have a 24 hour grace period to think about it. Even if they want to retire yesterday. They still have 24 hours before it's in effect.

And there are bots all the time trying to join. Our Administrator has created a 'bot' of our own to help us.

Who would think virtual non-existent entities would be such a pain in the neck?

[Aianawa]

Chocolate disslikers will be shown the entry door to BPB's forum, at the very least.

[Aragorn]

Chocolate disslikers will be shown the entry door to BPB's forum, at the very least.

Well, disslikers generally have already long had their seat secured over there, and then that is what made them assume the arrogance to behave belligerently over here. I guess it must have been in their DNA, or perhaps they were looking at the world through a cultish Collidescope full of images of a hat. :p

They had either way never really been in tune with the spirit of The One Truth to begin with, and our little Shire had always been merely an auxiliary venue for them — La Casa Del Sombrero™ being their primary and dearly beloved one.

Their loss, though — not ours. <shrug>

[Dumpster Diver]

I’m proof positive that TOT doesn’t toss ill fitting, bombastic, caustic, name calling ego maniacs :love::congratulations:

[Dreamtimer]

But oh how you do tempt. And you call me evil. Finger wagging. :goodbad:

[Dumpster Diver]

But oh how you do tempt. And you call me evil. Finger wagging. :goodbad:

Wow, that’s a cool new emoticon :cool::love:

[Dreamtimer]

I like it too. I like the action of the halo and flame.

[Elen]

I like it too. I like the action of the halo and flame.

OK I take full responsibility :p

[Dreamtimer]

OK I take full responsibility :p

You devil, you. Which shoulder do you prefer? :ttr:

[Elen]

You devil, you. Which shoulder do you prefer? :ttr:

Either one works for me...timing is important though...:goodbad: :p

[Aianawa]

What are BPB's good points ?.

[Aragorn]

What are BPB's good points ?.

In my opinion? Well, he's intelligent and he has enough of an understanding of scientific principles to be able to legitimately debunk certain dis-/-misinformation. He's quite knowledgeable in many areas, including the field of history. He doesn't merely collate the information, but he assimilates it and understands it.

He's also very eloquent, which makes it easy to understand his words without leaving any room for unintended ambiguities. He can therefore also — at least, if and when he wants to — deploy this eloquence as tactfulness in communication, and that's a very strong and desirable quality in negotiations.

Mind you that this is no guarantee that he'll never be rude. One can be perfectly eloquent and rude all at the same time, as in that particular post where he called your writing style "an embarrassment". That was definitely rudeness, albeit that it was shrouded in a velvet glove.

[modwiz]

In my opinion? Well, he's intelligent and he has enough of an understanding of scientific principles to be able to legitimately debunk certain dis-/-misinformation. He's quite knowledgeable in many areas, including the field of history. He doesn't merely collate the information, but he assimilates it and understands it.

He's also very eloquent, which makes it easy to understand his words without leaving any room for unintended ambiguities. He can therefore also — at least, if and when he wants to — deploy this eloquence as tactfulness in communication, and that's a very strong and desirable quality in negotiations.

Mind you that this is no guarantee that he'll never be rude. One can be perfectly eloquent and rude all at the same time, as in that particular post where he called your writing style "an embarrassment". That was definitely rudeness, albeit that it was shrouded in a velvet glove.

Who is this Bill Ryan guy anyway? Should I know of him? :grin::ha:

[Aragorn]

Who is this Bill Ryan guy anyway? Should I know of him? :grin::ha:

Well of course you should! He's God's gift to mankind, didn't you know that? We must all worship him! :wshp;:wshp; Repent, sinner! :cracky:



:ha:

[modwiz]

Well of course you should! He's God's gift to mankind, didn't you know that? We must all worship him! :wshp;:wshp; Repent, sinner! :cracky:



:ha:

I must have jumped a timeline. :cloud:

[Aragorn]

I must have jumped a timeline. :cloud:

Time to bring in Sapphire & Steel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sapphire_%26_Steel) then. I hear they're good at fixing that sort of thing. :ttr:

[Aragorn]

Here's a novelty, and a bit of a bombshell too... Believe it or not, yours truly has actually been emailing back and forth with Bill Ryan today. :belief:


:flame::flame::flame:

The reason for today's exchange was an email that was sent to Bill Ryan — with myself in CC — by somebody whom I shall not name now, but who seemed to insinuate that The One Truth was planning to lure all Project Avalon members to our forum in an attempt to assimilate Project Avalon into The One Truth. The email was worded in such a way as to suggest that I would be open to this plan but that I considered it unfeasible.


:holysheep:

I found the situation so embarrassing that I decided to contact Bill Ryan and explain to him that The One Truth has no intention whatsoever to take over Project Avalon, and that we do not infiltrate other forums in order to lure members over to ours. Not only would that be unethical, but for the other forum(s), it would be tantamount to spam, and grounds for an immediate ban. I know what I'm talking about because I ran an IRC network with a bunch of other people for about six years, and we've also had to deal with that kind of behavior there.

Bill was very cordial in his reply, in his usual style of communicating, and because he knows the person who sent that email quite well, he confirmed my own impressions of said person. Now, this is about as much as I can reveal, because there is a certain confidentiality involved regarding both the events and the person who sent Bill that email. However, my homies in the mod room have seen the complete exchange, and so have all staff members at Project Avalon. The sender of that original email is no stranger to either forum.

Anyway, it all goes to show how life can lead you down strange paths. If you had told me only yesterday that I would be talking to Bill Ryan via email today, I would have told you to stop eating strong cheese before bedtime. :p

The whole thing does however remind me of that strange dream I had a while ago — somewhere early in May 2017 — and which I then posted about on another thread (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/10917-BR-s-disclosure-on-CG?p=841969112&viewfull=1#post841969112). In fact, I would even say that as far as dreams — the ones you have while you are asleep — becoming a reality goes, what happened today was probably a real-world manifestation of said dream, and that the dream had therefore been some kind of noospheric prophecy — micro macro, with eggysamples. :p

To make things easier, I'll copy my recall of the dream again below. ;)











In this dream, The One Truth and Project Avalon were not just forums, but physical places, not dissimilar to university campuses. The setting was a typical warm spring evening, at or around sunset, but definitely before the onset of complete darkness.

Project Avalon was located at the edge of a lush green forest, and had the appearance of a medieval castle, with towers, an approximately five-meter-wide moat — filled with water, of course — and with a wooden bridge across the moat of approximately three and a half meters in width. Yet, they did have very modern amenities. The path toward Avalon — including the bridge across the moat — was illuminated by small but tasteful electric lanterns on both sides, placed approximately one meter above the ground, and spaced about two to three meters apart. From what I could tell, the inside of Avalon was also lit with modern electric lighting.

The One Truth on the other hand was located in a more urban setting. Not exactly smack downtown — we also had some lush green in our environment, and there were also ponds — but I remember observing that The One Truth was strategically far better located than Project Avalon, because we had a direct connection with all of the main roads leading in and out of the town. The One Truth was also slightly smaller than Avalon, but not all that much smaller, and we also had towers, but — and here lies the big contrast — it had an ultramodern appearance. Somewhat futuristic even, with much higher towers. And I remember that it felt like home to me.

There was quite a bit of a distance between The One Truth and Project Avalon, but it nevertheless still qualified as walking distance — say a ten-to-fifteen-minute walk.

For some reason that wasn't clear to me — hey, it was a dream and dreams aren't always logical — I found myself in the area between The One Truth and Project Avalon, and actually quite close to the latter's location. There were people all around, because it wasn't pitch dark just yet, and it was a warm spring evening. And suddenly, I ran into Bill Ryan. He looked just as he always does, wearing very casual clothing, and of course his inseparable hat. He recognized me and grinned.

I felt a little uncomfortable because I had been criticizing him quite harshly here at the forum in recent days. Nevertheless, I walked up to him, with in the back of my mind the fact that our brothers modwiz and Aianawa have recently been discussing Bill Ryan on the TOTcasts, and that modwiz had also dedicated one of his Mystic Brew videos to the subject of Bill Ryan's recent statements regarding the state of the so-called "alternative community".

I greeted Bill, and he greeted me back. There was no resentment from either side. I asked him how he had been, and even though he did not ask me anything at all, I started talking a bit about The One Truth to him, telling him about some of what we had been up to, and what we've been talking about recently, including the subject of Corey Goode, of course.

Bill and I started talking about the so-called "alternative community", and it was all very cordial. We were both pointing out some of the problems of the community, such as a lack of discernment, the credibility of whistleblowers and alleged witnesses, and so on. Then, as we had been standing there and talking for quite a while, I was getting thirsty, and even though I knew — at least, in my dream — that Bill wouldn't have minded if we took the conversation into Project Avalon's lounge room, I chose to invite him over to the lounge room of The One Truth.

Bill accepted my invitation, and next thing we were over at The One Truth, sitting at the bar of the lounge room. I pointed out to Bill that I felt that The One Truth was strategically better located than Project Avalon because we were near all of the main roads, but I did not tell him that in order to mock or insult him — it was merely something I had observed and that I mentioned in passing.

Then, as the conversation neared its end, Bill decided to return to Avalon — he probably had some work to do over there — and he offered to buy drinks for the whole house, but I declined and I said that this last round was on me, and I told the bartender to put it on my tab. After all, I had invited Bill into our lounge, and he had accepted, which means that I was the host and he was my guest, and I would have been a terrible host if I had allowed for the guest to pay for the drinks.

So then after that last drink, Bill went back off to Avalon, all by himself, on foot. And I remained with the feeling that we had accomplished something there, and that The One Truth and Project Avalon were going to be working together in the future on account of being a kind of community watchdog, warning the community about so-called witnesses and whistleblowers who are only seeking to become "alt media heroes", and in guiding the community onto the discovery of the truths that are being held from us all by The Powers That Be™.

[The One]

https://i.imgflip.com/28e4oo.jpg

[Octopus Garden]

Nice dream, Aragorn. It would be lovely if it happened in real life. I hate to use the word 'synergistic,' but your combined strengths would be just that if you teamed up. :laurel-and-hardy-da

[Emil El Zapato]

The event was real, though? That is a bombshell...not to mention rather bizarre....I"m getting dizzy!

[Aragorn]

Nice dream, Aragorn. It would be lovely if it happened in real life. I hate to use the word 'synergistic,' but your combined strengths would be just that if you teamed up. :laurel-and-hardy-da

Well, who knows what the future brings, right? But the difference between Project Avalon and The One Truth in my dream — although symbolically represented by the former having the appearance of a medieval castle and the latter of a hypermodern campus — does hold.

From what I can make up from some of Bill Ryan's own recent posts over at Project Avalon, he still very much believes in the old-school paradigm of a qualified leader, whereas we over here at The One Truth tend to have a more libertarian approach, with way-showers rather than leaders, and with people assuming responsibility over their own actions and decisions. In a way, you could say that it's the difference between giving a man a fish and thus having fed him for a day, to teaching a man how to fish and subsequently having fed him for the rest of his life.

But ultimately, we're all supposed to be on the same side here. We're all trying to get to the bottom of all the mysteries, and to the truth behind government lies and obfuscations. So in the end, it is not impossible that we may at some point in time decide to put our heads together again in sharing information that could serve all of us. We don't have to agree on everything. They have their style and we have ours, and one can only thrive if one is allowed to be oneself. But our motto is and has always been that...



TOGETHER WE MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

:fire:

[Dumpster Diver]

Bill admits to being into Scientology in this thread over at the Kool-aid stand (sort of):

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?103682-Hal-Puthoff-the-1970s-SRI-remote-viewing-project-and-its-origins-in...

[Aragorn]

Bill admits to being into Scientology in this thread over at the Kool-aid stand (sort of):

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?103682-Hal-Puthoff-the-1970s-SRI-remote-viewing-project-and-its-origins-in...

Well yes, he has never made that a secret. It has always been publicly visible in the FAQ at the main Project Camelot website, as you can read here (http://projectcamelot.org/questions.html)...:










What is your spiritual orientation?


We both believe absolutely in the fundamental rights of all spiritual beings – including anyone reading these words – to liberty, freedom of thought, action, expression, and access to important information that affects them and their future directly. This is one of the key principles underlying Project Camelot.

Kerry Cassidy is not connected to any specific spiritual group. Bill Ryan is a Free Zone (Ron's Org) Scientologist (http://scientology.wikia.com/wiki/Rons_Org), fully against and publicly opposed to the goals and modus operandi of the Church of Scientology (and, he is proud to say, named on the Church of Scientology's official Enemies List (http://projectcamelot.org/the_scientology_enemies_list.rtf)).

[Chester]

what is BPB?

[Aragorn]

what is BPB?

It's Aianawese. It means "Bill's Pain Body" — I'm not kidding! :p :ttr:

[Aianawa]

Did you get that other latest one Brother ?

[Dreamtimer]

Here's the eponymous thread (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/12071-Bills-Pain-Body-Thread-All-Welcome?highlight=Bill%27s+Pain+Body).

[Emil El Zapato]

Eponymous...damn, why don't I remember the definition of that word... :) Oh, now I remember why...because I never knew it in the 1st place. I've gone back to refreshing my vocabulary memory...It has waned in the last few years...from lack of effort I hope. I've only scored below 99.9 percent on one test in my life. I scored a 95 on the Graduate Record Exam... I was about 42 years old then... :)

e·pon·y·mous
/əˈpänəməs/

adjective
(of a person) giving their name to something.
"the eponymous hero of the novel"
(of a thing) named after a particular person.
"Roseanne's eponymous hit TV series"

[Dreamtimer]

I heard the word in recent years and was miffed at myself for not knowing it. As part of my efforts to revive my adult vocabulary after years of working with children, I like it and use it when I can.

[Elen]

I heard the word in recent years and was miffed at myself for not knowing it. As part of my efforts to revive my adult vocabulary after years of working with children, I like it and use it when I can.

And for your information: I'VE NEVER HEARD IT BEFORE! :ha:

[Aragorn]

Eponymous...damn, why don't I remember the definition of that word... :) Oh, now I remember why...because I never knew it in the 1st place. I've gone back to refreshing my vocabulary memory...It has wained in the last few years...from lack of effort I hope. I've only scored below 99.9 percent on one test in my life. I scored a 95 on the Graduate Record Exam... I was about 42 years old then... :)

e·pon·y·mous
/əˈpänəməs/

adjective
(of a person) giving their name to something.
"the eponymous hero of the novel"
(of a thing) named after a particular person.
"Roseanne's eponymous hit TV series"

I heard the word in recent years and was miffed at myself for not knowing it. As part of my efforts to revive my adult vocabulary after years of working with children, I like it and use it when I can.

And for your information: I'VE NEVER HEARD IT BEFORE! :ha:

Heh, I knew what it meant, and English isn't even an official language in this country. :p :victorious: :onthequite:



https://cdn.xl.thumbs.canstockphoto.com/funny-child-with-green-t-shirt-mocking-isolated-on-white-background-stock-photography_csp7748040.jpg

[Elen]

Heh, I knew what it meant, and English isn't even an official language in this country. :p :victorious: :onthequite:



https://cdn.xl.thumbs.canstockphoto.com/funny-child-with-green-t-shirt-mocking-isolated-on-white-background-stock-photography_csp7748040.jpg

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR_LTEWW0ojxRaQdz_tSQYa7T7T7_yEB-SjnCjf3oGdHEAxAoQQ

[Gio]

Ah Avalon change is good ...

But is it all too little too late ...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPIdRJlzERo

[Aragorn]

Ah Avalon change is good ...

But is it all too little too late ...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPIdRJlzERo


Not quite dead yet, but a little birdie told me that she has been banned for life. :p :whstl:

[Bob]

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This was referenced - http://earthempaths.net/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1230&sid=6292a6ec223a69c7ff4b64206ff179a4

and is worth the read

it was found here: https://jandeane81.com/archive/index.php/t-10917-p-2.html

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[Gio]

In the end ...

"Forgive us our sins ...

As we forgive those who sin against us" ...

Avalon - Testify To Love


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwQhsL98qkg

[Bob]

nahh..

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http://earthempaths.net/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1230&sid=6292a6ec223a69c7ff4b64206ff179a4

Christine's posted observations gets into details -

[Aragorn]

PS are the 4 guest hiding incognito happy to forward to br that his days are numbered so to speak, as far as criminal prosecution goes?

Those four guests are data-mining bots, Bob. We can see their IP addresses, remember? :)


er oh ya, we definitely need to merge with PA (sighhh ... and sigh........................)

The One Truth is definitely not going to merge with Project Avalon. We haven't even merged with our sister forum, Eye-Rise, so why would we merge with Project Avalon? :noidea:

However, as individual forums within the (so-called) alternative community, we are open to working together with Project Avalon in order to get this community back on course. Because right now, there's a whole lot of division within this community, and The Powers That Be™ are undoubtedly having a blast.

We've had our share of cults here at The One Truth as well, and right now there's a very fanatic and quite large cult running amok over at Project Avalon. Bill and his moderators are doing everything they can to keep the situation under control, but with so many members and such a large forum, that's not an easy task. I have seen with my own eyes how far gone some of these people are. And the sad thing is that people like that are always going to fall for some cultish hype. Whenever the QAnonsense™ fad finally clears out ─ which I don't expect to be any day soon, given that Donald Trump has yet another term to go if the voters let him ─ then it'll be some other delusional fad again.

People like that don't belong in the alternative community, because they are not alternative, period. Running Project Avalon is Bill's business, but if I were him, I'd kick a whole bunch of those clowns out of his living room. Because these people can't even think rationally anymore. They complain about censorship and political correctness, and yet they themselves are attempting to censor others, and they are appealing unto political correctness with regard to their obsession with their fad-of-the-day, in this case, the QAnonsense™ bullshit. "It's not an obsession/addiction, it's research." Yeah, right. :rolleyes:

Anyone who truly, sincerely, honestly believes that Donald Trump would be some kind of Marvel Comics hero fighting the evil Deep State™ should check themselves in at a mental hospital. :fpalm:

[Bob]

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https://tonyortega.org/2018/11/03/never-public-l-ron-hubbard-jrs-devastating-1972-takedown-of-his-father-and-scientology/

interesting page about some background

[Aianawa]

Is site diminishing ? Bob.


Those four guests are data-mining bots, Bob. We can see their IP addresses, remember? :)



The One Truth is definitely not going to merge with Project Avalon. We haven't even merged with our sister forum, Eye-Rise, so why would we merge with Project Avalon? :noidea:

However, as individual forums within the (so-called) alternative community, we are open to working together with Project Avalon in order to get this community back on course. Because right now, there's a whole lot of division within this community, and The Powers That Be™ are undoubtedly having a blast.

We've had our share of cults here at The One Truth as well, and right now there's a very fanatic and quite large cult running amok over at Project Avalon. Bill and his moderators are doing everything they can to keep the situation under control, but with so many members and such a large forum, that's not an easy task. I have seen with my own eyes how far gone some of these people are. And the sad thing is that people like that are always going to fall for some cultish hype. Whenever the QAnonsense™ fad finally clears out ─ which I don't expect to be any day soon, given that Donald Trump has yet another term to go if the voters let him ─ then it'll be some other delusional fad again.

People like that don't belong in the alternative community, because they are not alternative, period. Running Project Avalon is Bill's business, but if I were him, I'd kick a whole bunch of those clowns out of his living room. Because these people can't even think rationally anymore. They complain about censorship and political correctness, and yet they themselves are attempting to censor others, and they are appealing unto political correctness with regard to their obsession with their fad-of-the-day, in this case, the QAnonsense™ bullshit. "It's not an obsession/addiction, it's research." Yeah, right. :rolleyes:

Anyone who truly, sincerely, honestly believes that Donald Trump would be some kind of Marvel Comics hero fighting the evil Deep State™ should check themselves in at a mental hospital. :fpalm:

I believe he be the perfect person atm, has been xxxxlent so far and will get better, MW will be saint material by time 2020 comes round lol.

[Aragorn]

Anyone who truly, sincerely, honestly believes that Donald Trump would be some kind of Marvel Comics hero fighting the evil Deep State™ should check themselves in at a mental hospital. :fpalm:

I believe he be the perfect person atm, has been xxxxlent so far and will get better, MW will be saint material by time 2020 comes round lol.

Vern, I often wonder what world you're living in, because it is obviously not the same world as I'm living in. :scrhd:

[Aianawa]

Your amazing Aragorn.

[Emil El Zapato]

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https://tonyortega.org/2018/11/03/never-public-l-ron-hubbard-jrs-devastating-1972-takedown-of-his-father-and-scientology/

interesting page about some background

Just my opinion Bob, but I would be questioning Jr's motivations and veracity also....

[Emil El Zapato]

Part of the problem is that 'imagination' is required to be 'alternative' anything BUT, incumbent upon the imaginative is the ability to correlate imaginative thinking to a thread of reality. We can't pin imaginative thinking on other imaginative ruminations without ending up some place that absolutely no one recognizes except the bizarre. In my not really interested opinion we have to reign ourselves in at some point (before the men in white coats) start parking outside our front door.

[Octopus Garden]

Those four guests are data-mining bots, Bob. We can see their IP addresses, remember? :)



The One Truth is definitely not going to merge with Project Avalon. We haven't even merged with our sister forum, Eye-Rise, so why would we merge with Project Avalon? :noidea:

However, as individual forums within the (so-called) alternative community, we are open to working together with Project Avalon in order to get this community back on course. Because right now, there's a whole lot of division within this community, and The Powers That Be™ are undoubtedly having a blast.

We've had our share of cults here at The One Truth as well, and right now there's a very fanatic and quite large cult running amok over at Project Avalon. Bill and his moderators are doing everything they can to keep the situation under control, but with so many members and such a large forum, that's not an easy task. I have seen with my own eyes how far gone some of these people are. And the sad thing is that people like that are always going to fall for some cultish hype. Whenever the QAnonsense™ fad finally clears out ─ which I don't expect to be any day soon, given that Donald Trump has yet another term to go if the voters let him ─ then it'll be some other delusional fad again.

People like that don't belong in the alternative community, because they are not alternative, period. Running Project Avalon is Bill's business, but if I were him, I'd kick a whole bunch of those clowns out of his living room. Because these people can't even think rationally anymore. They complain about censorship and political correctness, and yet they themselves are attempting to censor others, and they are appealing unto political correctness with regard to their obsession with their fad-of-the-day, in this case, the QAnonsense™ bullshit. "It's not an obsession/addiction, it's research." Yeah, right. :rolleyes:

Anyone who truly, sincerely, honestly believes that Donald Trump would be some kind of Marvel Comics hero fighting the evil Deep State™ should check themselves in at a mental hospital. :fpalm:

Say it loud and say it proud, Brother! I wandered into their qult thread today and it appears run of the mill gruesome isn't enough to give them a rush now. They're dusting their "research" with fentanyl now.

I am very familiar with one of the stories one of the posters references. It happened about 20 miles from where I lived, years ago. Multiple murder of adult women...very gruesome indeed. This was a few years ago.

It looks like there may have been a couple of twisted cops involved in an initial cover up, as well. The women murdered were native Indian, which was all the more tragic, as, until recently there's been two systems of policing in Canada. One for natives and one for everybody else. THAT'S what has outraged me th most over the years.

But no, for the qult, it's not enough. They have to make it more gruesome than it was by adding satanic ritualistic beheadings performed on young girls. No young girls involved and no satanic rituals either.

They have to ratchet up the most gruesome to be even more gruesome because they can't get high on typical gruesome anymore. They need to recreate stories to make sure there is a child in there somewhere, preferably headless. They snort this shit right up their noses.

[Aragorn]

Anyone who truly, sincerely, honestly believes that Donald Trump would be some kind of Marvel Comics hero fighting the evil Deep State™ should check themselves in at a mental hospital. :fpalm:

Say it loud and say it proud, Brother! I wandered into their qult thread today and it appears run of the mill gruesome isn't enough to give them a rush now. They're dusting their "research" with fentanyl now.

I am very familiar with one of the stories one of the posters references. It happened about 20 miles from where I lived, years ago. Multiple murder of adult women...very gruesome indeed. This was a few years ago.

It looks like there may have been a couple of twisted cops involved in an initial cover up, as well. The women murdered were native Indian, which was all the more tragic, as, until recently there's been two systems of policing in Canada. One for natives and one for everybody else. THAT'S what has outraged me th most over the years.

But no, for the qult, it's not enough. They have to make it more gruesome than it was by adding satanic ritualistic beheadings performed on young girls. No young girls involved and no satanic rituals either.

They have to ratchet up the most gruesome to be even more gruesome because they can't get high on typical gruesome anymore. They need to recreate stories to make sure there is a child in there somewhere, preferably headless. They snort this shit right up their noses.

Some people really seem to be born or otherwise conditioned with an insatiable lust for drama. :drama: :fpalm:

During the first couple of years of The One Truth, we had a few members here who were equally afflicted with that insatiable lust. One of those members was Ria, who was posting all kinds of stuff from questionable blogs and equally questionable YouTube channels regarding Illuminati conspiracies and baby-eating satanic pedophiles. And all of it was junk.

And of course, it should therefore also come as no surprise that she was the one who brought the Ruiner blog to The One Truth, and together with another such unstable individual ─ let's call her Breeze, formerly known at Project Avalon and Eye-Rise as Realeyes ─ started a cult around the Ruiner. After all, Shane "The Ruiner" Bales claimed to be ─ wait for it ─ a member of an Illuminati family. :rolleyes:

Ria and her cult were causing trouble all over The One Truth, and especially so because Corey Goode was still a member here at the time, and the Ruiner had declared Corey a liar ─ which was probably the only true fact that Shane ever wrote on his blog. Eventually Ria and her cult moved over to Eye-Rise, and they destroyed it almost completely because of their totalitarian methods of running the forum ─ anyone who questioned the veracity of the Ruiner's claims was censored and instantly banned.

Eventually Kathy ─ who owns Eye-Rise ─ took back control, but Ria, who was an administrator there, used her administrative privileges to delete half of the forum's content on her way out before Kathy could ban her. And now they're somewhere else ─ together with Shane "The Ruiner" Bales ─ at yet another forum, created by a former admin from both The One Truth and Eye-Rise. :rolleyes:

The cult phenomenon is really worrisome. And there are so many cults already. :fpalm: Even Corey Goode, proven a liar, a deceiver and a mentally deranged person, still has his Blue Chicken™ cult. And then there's that offshoot cult of Bentinho Massaro, which has already driven one of its former members to suicide.




"Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it."

(Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel)

[Octopus Garden]

Damn! What a mess!

[Bob]

Just my opinion Bob, but I would be questioning Jr's motivations and veracity also....

the son goes on further here:

https://tonyortega.org/2014/05/10/jamie-dewolf-ive-found-the-last-memoir-of-the-son-of-scientologys-founder/ (scroll down to the highlighted section with a grey background)

that 'energy' that comes across from "nibs" appears poignant at times and detailed at other times, describing methods used during the search for power and how it would be subsequently used.

[Chester]

Some sad news... over at PA. The awesome e-book library appears to be offline. Bill posted concerns over some of the titles being subject to copyright issues.

[Gio]

Some sad news... over at PA. The awesome e-book library appears to be offline. Bill posted concerns over some of the titles being subject to copyright issues.

Yes Sam,

And thanks for updating us on this obviously inevitable situation with the long up and running Project Avalon library ...Those not familiar with this can go here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?101536-The-Walter-Bosley-thread&p=1306202&viewfull=1#post1306202) to read the concerns and complaints by the author and forum member Walter Bosley.

I would imagine at the very least, Bill Ryan (and his team) will have to do a major review of the library's extensive content and remove copyrighted material that might (or could be) potentially problematic to the PA forum's liability concerns in the long run.

[Aianawa]

Copyrite and patents is going to get really ugly, weres love this.

[Aragorn]

Copyrite and patents is going to get really ugly, weres love this.

Absolutely agreed. Copyright and patents were created to offer protection, but instead they are being used as weapons, and patent trolling is actually a lucrative business in its own right nowadays ─ and especially in the USA, where patents may also cover software development.

[Aianawa]

So how is Bill getting on ? atm.

[Aragorn]

So how is Bill getting on ? atm.

Well, Bill is doing fine, I guess. He has been posting some interesting thoughts, and on various threads. So are the other mods over there, for that matter. They are all really intelligent and empathetic people, and they do their homework too.

Bill has a really good team now, and the bridge is starting to take shape. :like:

[Aianawa]

Good, very important part n cog of humanity.

[Aragorn]

Heads up, I've deleted 11 posts in total from both this thread and from the Cosmic Emporium (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/9965-The-Cosmic-Emporium) thread. The management would very much appreciate it if everyone were to leave the drama out of it from here on. Thank you.

[Aianawa]

Drama is okay Aragorn, is a form of communication but yes understand.

[Fred Steeves]

Heads up, I've deleted 11 posts in total from both this thread and from the Cosmic Emporium (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/9965-The-Cosmic-Emporium) thread. The management would very much appreciate it if everyone were to leave the drama out of it from here on. Thank you.

- Is this coming from just you Aragorn, or did the whole mod team huddle up and agree on this one?

- Without knowing what was deleted, for the record what type of thing might be considered "drama" from here on?

- Is this sudden move be based on that some Q fans over at The Project are combing through the TOT archives looking for dirt?

[Aragorn]

Heads up, I've deleted 11 posts in total from both this thread and from the Cosmic Emporium (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/9965-The-Cosmic-Emporium) thread. The management would very much appreciate it if everyone were to leave the drama out of it from here on. Thank you.

- Is this coming from just you Aragorn, or did the whole mod team huddle up and agree on this one?

The decision was mine, but my colleagues agree. And the reason why the decision was mine is twofold...:


That junk should already have been deleted earlier on, because we've been cutting certain people too much slack, and there was a time when we used to intervene a lot sooner; and...
I've pretty much been the only staff member on duty in these last couple of days, with the other staff members only dropping in for a short time. Even right now in this very moment, I am once again the only staff member on duty.

One of our staff members is having difficulties both in his home and with his computer hardware, another staff member has just lost her father over the weekend, yet another staff member's daughter is battling cancer, and Malc has a wife, five children and a daytime job.

As second in command of this ship and as head of the moderation team, I reserve the liberty to make such calls on my own, even though ─ as I said ─ the other staff members agree with me, because we've been discussing this in the mod room for a few days now, and Malc has only yesterday once again asserted his complete support and confidence in how I run this forum.


- Without knowing what was deleted, for the record what type of thing might be considered "drama" from here on?

Personal conflicts, insults toward and defamation of fellow members, inappropriate language and behavior, et al. That sort of thing.


- Is this sudden move be based on that some Q fans over at The Project are combing through the TOT archives looking for dirt?

No, not in the slightest.

The QAnon fans over at Project Avalon have already long made up their minds both about The One Truth and about myself ─ at least one of them has already said on an open thread over there that they've added me to their ignore list, and I suspect that there would be many more ─ and I don't see how this is going to change anything. They've already made their prejudices about The One Truth very clear, and to be honest, I'm not interested in trying to sway people off of their prejudices if they choose to be blind to the facts. It's a waste of time, and I've got a lot more on my plate than that.

This here is The One Truth, and it is here that I am the administrator. The staff at Project Avalon takes care of business at Project Avalon, and the staff of The One Truth takes care of business here at The One Truth.

[Elen]

OK Fred, we do agree on this. We would do the same for you if someone was telling us all sorts of "secrets" about you. Personally I'm not interested in gossip or secrets of any kind...not my style. :tiphat:

[Emil El Zapato]

Hi Aragorn, your staff has my support and good will to help overcome their life's battles. Such things have become very real to me as I just had a new cousin from my father's side have breast cancer surgery and my sister on my mother's side had surgery earlier this year. It is her 2nd bout, the 1st time having been 20 years ago.

[Chris]

The QAnon fans over at Project Avalon have already long made up their minds both about The One Truth and about myself ─ at least one of them has already said on an open thread over there that they've added me to their ignore list, and I suspect that there would be many more ─ and I don't see how this is going to change anything. They've already made their prejudices about The One Truth very clear, and to be honest, I'm not interested in trying to sway people off of their prejudices if they choose to be blind to the facts. It's a waste of time, and I've got a lot more on my plate than that.

This here is The One Truth, and it is here that I am the administrator. The staff at Project Avalon takes care of business at Project Avalon, and the staff of The One Truth takes care of business here at The One Truth.

Why am I not surprised about the Qster reaction regarding yourself and TOT over at PA?

You have made it fully clear that you oppose their propaganda efforts and see it as fascism lite.

They won't thank you for that and I'm sure they see TOT as a fully biased leftist haven of SJW snowflakes.

Of course BR and his team will have to come down hard on them and they will see it as further proof of that the alternative community has been fully infiltrated by communism. Or, Child-eating, Jaysus-hating, Paedophile, Gay, Muslim Lizard Jews. Take your pick.

It would be comical, if it weren't for the real-world consequences of this kind of thinking.

[Aragorn]

Why am I not surprised about the Qster reaction regarding yourself and TOT over at PA?

You have made it fully clear that you oppose their propaganda efforts and see it as fascism lite.

They won't thank you for that and I'm sure they see TOT as a fully biased leftist haven of SJW snowflakes.

Of course BR and his team will have to come down hard on them and they will see it as further proof of that the alternative community has been fully infiltrated by communism. Or, Child-eating, Jaysus-hating, Paedophile, Gay, Muslim Lizard Jews. Take your pick.

It would be comical, if it weren't for the real-world consequences of this kind of thinking.

Well, Bill did send two Project Avalon members on a little vacation for trying to provoke me.



One (Jayke) was trying to shame me with a link to some old stuff that I've said in the past about Bill and Project Avalon ─ on this very thread here, even ─ and of which I have stated that I must and will own up to my past mistakes, and that I am therefore not going to sweep it under the rug by deleting it.


The other one (KiwiElf) was threatening to post a link to a so-called infographic that was supposedly made under my supervision and that accuses Bill of being an alphabet soup agency asset. This accusation has indeed been brought up here in the past by one or two members, but none of the staff members of The One Truth have ever believed that to be true, and to the best of my knowledge, 99.9% of our member base has never believed it either.


But what KiwiElf (and the other QAnon followers) apparently didn't know was that I recognize the style of who made that infographic. A link to it had been posted to one of the far-right threads over at Project Avalon before ─ possibly by KiwiElf, but I don't remember ─ and I now remember that this is where I had seen it the first time, and how embarrassed I felt, given that it was indeed in a post which alleged that The One Truth was the origin of that image. According to KiwiElf's threat to me, the image is being hosted at a QAnon-related message board. It is either way the Photoshop work of none other than our former super moderator bsbray, who was seeking to bring down Bill Ryan and Project Avalon during his last three months or so here at The One Truth, but with a slant, namely that he didn't want to take the fall for it and jeopardize his Project Avalon membership while doing it.

bsbray ─ known in more recent times at Project Avalon as A Voice from the Mountains ─ had made similar infographics before about Simon Parkes, Corey Goode, David Wilcock and (I believe) Benjamin Fulford, as part of his activity in our now defunct Watchdog Task Force (https://jandeane81.com/group.php?groupid=6) community group. He had not made such an infographic about Bill yet when he was still here, but I knew that it was his intention to do so at the time, because Bill Ryan was one of the "alternative community personalities" we were investigating with the group at the time, albeit that he was the last one to be added to the list. In fact, I had never even heard of the concept of an infographic until bsbray brought that up in the WTF group, because I was under the impression that we'd be compiling our findings on the claims and/or reputations of "alternative community celebrities" into PDF documents that would later on be posted under The Watchdog (https://jandeane81.com/forumdisplay.php/101-The-Watchdog), the subforum that this thread here sits under.

Anyway, returning to the confrontation at Project Avalon, Jayke was suspended for three days, and KiwiElf for three weeks.

Bill and his mods do have my back over there, because they know what I'm trying to do, and they support me. And some of the members who follow QAnon have also begun seeing things for what they are ─ or at least, on account of where I'm coming from with this bridge I'm trying to build. It's just that there's a minority of prejudiced and trigger-happy fanatics who are dominating the atmosphere on that particular thread (and on one or two other but related threads), and they're the ones who are spoiling things for everyone else over there.

[Aianawa]

Gosh, simple really, you have the Q thread in hoax section on TOT, Qetc at Papa site will trust you ?.

[Emil El Zapato]

A Voice from the Mountains...such a purdy name for a cynical deluded jackass. I've seen some of the posts...not a healthy personality...

[Fred Steeves]

Well, Bill did send two Project Avalon members on a little vacation for trying to provoke me.

One (Jayke) was trying to shame me with a link to some old stuff that I've said in the past about Bill and Project Avalon ─ on this very thread here, even ─ and of which I have stated that I must and will own up to my past mistakes, and that I am therefore not going to sweep it under the rug by deleting it.

The other one (KiwiElf) was threatening to post a link to a so-called infographic that was supposedly made under my supervision and that accuses Bill of being an alphabet soup agency asset. This accusation has indeed been brought up here in the past by one or two members, but none of the staff members of The One Truth have ever believed that to be true, and to the best of my knowledge, 99.9% of our member base has never believed it either.

Well that makes it easier to do this, nice and concise it saves me from having to further explain.

Folks, the tale Aragorn just told that's happening over at The Project was the impetus for the following questions of mine a couple of days ago in response to his announcement of deleting some posts. See the following:


Heads up, I've deleted 11 posts in total from both this thread and from the Cosmic Emporium thread. The management would very much appreciate it if everyone were to leave the drama out of it from here on. Thank you.


- Is this coming from just you Aragorn, or did the whole mod team huddle up and agree on this one?

- Without knowing what was deleted, for the record what type of thing might be considered "drama" from here on?

- Is this sudden move be based on that some Q fans over at The Project are combing through the TOT archives looking for dirt?

What happened was I hadn't been paying that close of attention here, at that particular time, but I knew about Kiwi and Jayke threatening Aragorn with some old posts from here. I DIDN'T know about the very recent harsh exchanges that had occurred here on this thread, and it would have made total sense to delete such. I never would have questioned it in the slightest.

What I falsely assumed then, lacking that key piece of information, is what Aragorn may have done was to go back in time and clean up some of that old stuff so as not to be used as possible ammunition over there with those two. And in such a case, I also genuinely wanted to know what "drama" now entailed. Might it mean no more questions or concerns about Bill Ryan? In such a case this may not be the place for me any more, if there is now someone, anyone, who is now off limits. But of course I didn't know for sure, the timing seemed quite the coincidence anyway, but I wanted to be sure so I asked. That's what I do. ;)

And Aragorn, so there are no further misunderstandings on this, not for a second did I think you were doing it yourself, I thought it would have been for this forum in general, if such had occurred.

In retrospect I can see now how my questions could have come across as a bit unreasonable, and it's also clear now what Elen was talking about in response to me:


OK Fred, we do agree on this. We would do the same for you if someone was telling us all sorts of "secrets" about you. Personally I'm not interested in gossip or secrets of any kind...not my style. :tiphat:

I was like "what the hell is she talking about, secrets and gossip"? I get it now Elen! :tiphat:

So anyway I want to formally apologize for my little faux pas. True I could have saved some public trouble by simply pm'ing Aragorn and asking him behind the scenes (and at times I do just that!), but in this instance, with the information I had, I thought it more in the interest of the whole forum to know what had happened, and why.

But again, sorry for the mix up. And as Paul Harvey used to say: "Now you know the REST of the story".


P.S.

And Bill, I'm still a watchin you... I may be the only one now LOL, but so be it. Any plans of teaming up with the likes of Rick Doty again? Or another Charles? Speaking of Charles, whatever happened to all those Rulers of the World threads? Should we be erasing history? Shouldn't they be like, in the Avalon Library or something?

Just so there's no more silly misunderstandings, I'm just talking to Bill, not the fine membership over yonder. Most of you are good peeps and are welcome here!

Aw hell ma, you're welcome here too Bill, come on over and put your feet up man. I'll fetch you a cold one. :beer:

[Chester]

Good post, Fred... thanks was not enough.

[Aragorn]

Gosh, simple really, you have the Q thread in hoax section on TOT, Qetc at Papa site will trust you ?.

A belated reply ─ sorry for that ─ but why would the fact that the management of The One Truth has decided, based upon the evidence, to park the QAnon thread under the Proven Hoaxes & Misinformation (https://jandeane81.com/forumdisplay.php/105-Proven-Hoaxes-Misinformation) category even remotely have anything to do with my integrity, my intentions and/or my credibility as a human being? :confused:

I'd love to see anyone point out the logic in that one. :popc:

[Chester]

A belated reply ─ sorry for that ─ but why would the fact that the management of The One Truth has decided, based upon the evidence, to park the QAnon thread under the Proven Hoaxes & Misinformation (https://jandeane81.com/forumdisplay.php/105-Proven-Hoaxes-Misinformation) category even remotely have anything to do with my integrity, my intentions and/or my credibility as a human being? :confused:

I'd love to see anyone point out the logic in that one. :popc:

What (I believe) Aianawa was saying in Aianawese was, "How do you expect the "Q followers" to pay any respect to anything you might say regarding Q (pro or con) when you have his Q thread in the hoax section here at ToT."

I think he's suggesting... "what did you expect?" (by opening yourself to confrontation over at the Jr. site's Q fans' sections).

That's how I took his comment. But again, I am translating and I may have gotten it wrong.

[Aragorn]

Well, Bill did send two Project Avalon members on a little vacation for trying to provoke me.



One (Jayke) was trying to shame me with a link to some old stuff that I've said in the past about Bill and Project Avalon ─ on this very thread here, even ─ and of which I have stated that I must and will own up to my past mistakes, and that I am therefore not going to sweep it under the rug by deleting it.


The other one (KiwiElf) was threatening to post a link to a so-called infographic that was supposedly made under my supervision and that accuses Bill of being an alphabet soup agency asset. This accusation has indeed been brought up here in the past by one or two members, but none of the staff members of The One Truth have ever believed that to be true, and to the best of my knowledge, 99.9% of our member base has never believed it either.


But what KiwiElf (and the other QAnon followers) apparently didn't know was that I recognize the style of who made that infographic. A link to it had been posted to one of the far-right threads over at Project Avalon before ─ possibly by KiwiElf, but I don't remember ─ and I now remember that this is where I had seen it the first time, and how embarrassed I felt, given that it was indeed in a post which alleged that The One Truth was the origin of that image. According to KiwiElf's threat to me, the image is being hosted at a QAnon-related message board. It is either way the Photoshop work of none other than our former super moderator bsbray, who was seeking to bring down Bill Ryan and Project Avalon during his last three months or so here at The One Truth, but with a slant, namely that he didn't want to take the fall for it and jeopardize his Project Avalon membership while doing it.

bsbray ─ known in more recent times at Project Avalon as A Voice from the Mountains ─ had made similar infographics before about Simon Parkes, Corey Goode, David Wilcock and (I believe) Benjamin Fulford, as part of his activity in our now defunct Watchdog Task Force (https://jandeane81.com/group.php?groupid=6) community group. He had not made such an infographic about Bill yet when he was still here, but I knew that it was his intention to do so at the time, because Bill Ryan was one of the "alternative community personalities" we were investigating with the group at the time, albeit that he was the last one to be added to the list. In fact, I had never even heard of the concept of an infographic until bsbray brought that up in the WTF group, because I was under the impression that we'd be compiling our findings on the claims and/or reputations of "alternative community celebrities" into PDF documents that would later on be posted under The Watchdog (https://jandeane81.com/forumdisplay.php/101-The-Watchdog), the subforum that this thread here sits under.

Followup...

After several frantic attempts ─ spread out across multiple days ─ at digging up the images that KiwiElf threatened to publish with the innuendo that they would have been concocted here at The One Truth, I have now finally found them. They were hosted in the far-right /pol/ section of 8Chan, as well as that they were hosted as downloadable attachments to a blog post with the exact same text as in said post at 8Chan, albeit that the attachments to the blog post were behind a register-and-pay wall.

The blog post and its identical sibling at 8Chan were obviously word for word written by bsbray (A Voice from the Mountains), and contained the same expressions, the same hate, the same racism and the same expletives as bsbray used in that insulting Skype message he sent to one of our staff members ─ words like "nigger" and "faggot", along with all the typical "shit", "bullshit", "fucking", and so on.

The post at 8Chan also dates back to September 2018, which was almost two years after bsbray left The One Truth. And I was lucky enough to find it when I did, because I just got a heads-up from Constance over at Project Avalon that 8Chan appears to be down now ─ I checked the link again right after her message, and indeed, it is no longer available now ─ followed within minutes by an announcement at Slashdot (https://tech.slashdot.org/story/19/08/05/0323200/cloudflare-terminates-8chan) that Cloudflare has terminated their service for 8Chan because of the recent mass shootings and the growing extremism.

I am not going to be posting these images here, because all too many people would like to see this bridge between The One Truth and Project Avalon collapse, and I don't want to give them any ammunition. But I do have them on my computer, and I've posted them to the mod room here right after I found them. I've also got a screenshot of the blog post that was written under a pseudonym and that word for word contains the same text as in the 8Chan article with the two infographics. I have however sent all three images ─ the two infographics and the screenshot ─ to Bill and the complete Project Avalon staff via email.

I think this now completely exonerates The One Truth on account of the allegations that we would have been behind the creation and/or publication of those libeling images.

[Aianawa]

That is great, so keeping all in order and fairness, Relocating Q thread back to original section should be simple, of course you can still call n believe it is a hoax if you wish but you appear to be doing well in regards allowing others to be yourself or opposite.

Yes cheers Sammy, spot on ta

[Aragorn]

Followup...

After several frantic attempts ─ spread out across multiple days ─ at digging up the images that KiwiElf threatened to publish with the innuendo that they would have been concocted here at The One Truth, I have now finally found them. They were hosted in the far-right /pol/ section of 8Chan, as well as that they were hosted as downloadable attachments to a blog post with the exact same text as in said post at 8Chan, albeit that the attachments to the blog post were behind a register-and-pay wall.

The blog post and its identical sibling at 8Chan were obviously word for word written by bsbray (A Voice from the Mountains), and contained the same expressions, the same hate, the same racism and the same expletives as bsbray used in that insulting Skype message he sent to one of our staff members ─ words like "nigger" and "faggot", along with all the typical "shit", "bullshit", "fucking", and so on.

The post at 8Chan also dates back to September 2018, which was almost two years after bsbray left The One Truth. And I was lucky enough to find it when I did, because I just got a heads-up from Constance over at Project Avalon that 8Chan appears to be down now ─ I checked the link again right after her message, and indeed, it is no longer available now ─ followed within minutes by an announcement at Slashdot (https://tech.slashdot.org/story/19/08/05/0323200/cloudflare-terminates-8chan) that Cloudflare has terminated their service for 8Chan because of the recent mass shootings and the growing extremism.

I am not going to be posting these images here, because all too many people would like to see this bridge between The One Truth and Project Avalon collapse, and I don't want to give them any ammunition. But I do have them on my computer, and I've posted them to the mod room here right after I found them. I've also got a screenshot of the blog post that was written under a pseudonym and that word for word contains the same text as in the 8Chan article with the two infographics. I have however sent all three images ─ the two infographics and the screenshot ─ to Bill and the complete Project Avalon staff via email.

I think this now completely exonerates The One Truth on account of the allegations that we would have been behind the creation and/or publication of those libeling images.

Bill has now gotten back to me on my message, and he has confirmed that, with certainty, the article and the infographics were the work of bsbray, alias A Voice from the Mountains. He also showed me a scathing and bullying Skype message that he received from bsbray the day after he was banned from Project Avalon, which contained certain references from those infographics, and which clearly shows what a sick person bsbray has become.

Now that Bill and his team have received the images, I've deleted them from my computer again. I don't want that sick junk on my machine. I only needed to store them somewhere for the time being, so that I could attach them to the email I sent to Bill and the Project Avalon mods, and they've seen them now, so my computer and I have done our part and we doesn't needs them anymore, Preciouss. ;)

[Chester]

GOOD... very good the matter is resolved and over. I am sad for the souls that have such harsh lessons in their soul paths. I wish better for them all.

[Dreamtimer]

Putting the thread in the hoax section is not a result of anyone's opinion. The reasons have been made clear.


It is my opinion that the earth is round (with a bulge). But that's not why it would be determined to be real or hoax. That would be determined via evidence and observation.

Same with the Q stuff.

Evidence and observation reveal what is most likely: it's a game being played on folks. A game that got out of hand. And many are falling for it. That part is real. And so is the psychology behind it.


If we hang our hats on something like the Q phenomenon then our foundation will be weak and will fall away when we least expect it because we believed in the solidity of something which had no real basis.

Much like large portions of our economy...

[Aianawa]

Rubbish imo.

Papa site is likely taking a hit from the people as such for their censorship of Qetc, not sure if that can be confirmed though.

[Aragorn]

Rubbish imo.

Papa site is likely taking a hit from the people as such for their censorship of Qetc, not sure if that can be confirmed though.

There is no censorship. Nobody is being prevented from posting about QAnon, and the pertinent threads are still being updated every day.

What has happened at Project Avalon was merely a quarantining of those particular threads, and for good reason too. And what has happened here at The One Truth is that we found the evidence compelling enough to categorize the QAnon material as dis- and misinformation, so that those people who haven't tasted the QAnon Kool-Aid™ yet won't be misled into believing in proven falsehoods.

Just because you're in denial doesn't mean that the facts have changed, Vern.

[Aianawa]

Thankyou dear Mirror

[Gio]

"Bill Ryan's personal Question-and-Answer thread. Pile it on." ...

The world according to Bill.

[Aragorn]

"Bill Ryan's personal Question-and-Answer thread. Pile it on." ...

The world according to Bill.

Well, that's what a personal Q&A thread inevitably leads to when people stop asking personal questions and begin asking you all kinds of things that have nothing to do with yourself. :hmm:

Bill is replying to the best of his abilities, but of course, when they're asking him for his opinions ─ or worse, when people start regarding Bill as if he has all the answers ─ then inevitably Bill will be responding with what he knows, or what he personally believes in, or what he deems the most plausible explanation for any given mystery, and so on.

Mind you, Bill has never claimed that he holds the gospel ─ notwithstanding the fact that he's met some interesting individuals in his life, and perhaps especially so during his stint with Project Camelot ─ but I guess we've all seen that this so-called alternative community all too easily regards a single individual with certain interesting information or opinions as if they are some omniscient entity.

And perhaps the membership at Project Avalon would be a bit extreme in that regard, as the polar opposite of the membership here at The One Truth, where nobody gives a shit about anything anymore and people think that clicking the Thanks button will wear out their mouse. :sarcastic:

[Gio]

Wow your quick to the draw on this thread Aragorn ...

And note you would make an excellent PR guy for BR ...

Though more and more Bill is speaking as matter of fact
and less and less in that once qualifying 'opinion mode' ...

Plus the reemergence (over there) via Bill and others of
the "Scientology Freezone" stuff is interesting as well ...

IMO


Give em that old time religion stuff it works every-time....
Note the LRH's free zone/free range click/clucking chickens.


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Well Aragorn are you going to add your thanks ...

[Aragorn]

Wow your quick to the draw on this thread Aragorn ...

Nah, I was just looking at the new posts and I saw this one appear, and I decided to reply before checking the Manjaro forum. ;)


And note you would make an excellent PR guy for BR ...

:onthequite:


Though more and more Bill is speaking as matter of fact
and less and less in that once qualifying 'opinion mode' ...

Hmm... I'm having the opposite impression, or at least, on account of what he says nowadays about various subjects. :hmm: That doesn't mean that I would agree with him, though, because I know the difference between an opinion and factual evidence. And sometimes I will see Bill replying to a question with information he's been given by one of his contacts, and then I think to myself, "Bill, you're being naive again, because I don't trust that witness/informer."

Dan "Burisch" would be a fine example of that. Bill still believes in Burisch's integrity, but I don't. There's something about the way that guy talks that screams the word "liar" in my mind's ear.


Plus the reemergence (over there) via Bill and others of
the "Scientology Freezone" stuff is interesting as well ...

I've noticed that, yes, but in all fairness, it's because people are actively asking him about that. He doesn't exactly proselytize for it, from what I've seen. :hmm:


IMO


Give em that old time religion stuff it works every-time....
Note the LRH's free zone/free range click/clucking chickens.


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Well Aragorn are you going to add your thanks ...

Nah. Besides, look at those dates ─ that must have been a post from October 2018. I'm reading that thread now, but only from the point in time that I returned to Project Avalon. I don't have time to read everything. ;)

[Gio]

hmm ...

As best he knows ...



"Enjoy. As best I know, his account of the JFK assassination is quite correct."

JFK: 3 shooters, the fatal bullet from Johnny Roselli in the storm drain. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?108562-JFK-3-shooters-the-fatal-bullet-from-Johnny-Roselli-in-the-storm-drain.&p=1313492&viewfull=1#post1313492)

The chickens click/cluck from just today ...



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Who knows if you try harder on your posting Aragorn you might get this kinda thanks over there !

[Aragorn]

Who knows if you try harder on your posting Aragorn you might get this kinda thanks over there !

I'm actually getting a lot more thanks over there than I do here. :(

[Gio]

I'm actually getting a lot more thanks over there than I do here. :(

Duh !!!

[Aragorn]

I'm actually getting a lot more thanks over there than I do here. :(

Duh !!!

I didn't mean that in the statistical way, Gio.

Of course there are many more members at Project Avalon than there are here, but that is not what I meant. What I meant was that the member base there appears to be more active and more involved than here at The One Truth. Over here, most members reside in a passive "audience mode", and like I said, even simply thanking a post seems too much to ask anymore.

The community spirit here is dying, if not dead already. And that makes me sad.

[Gio]

Sad indeed

IMO

It's a general condition of growing apathy in the community ...
Noting quite a few PA members visit here daily ...
But seldom if ever thank anything or anyone ...

Almost like clicking the TV channels ...
Their live's are so busy !

IMO

I have my own theory's 'as best i know' ...
Which i believe is 'quite correct' ...

Cos i just got an e-mail from an unnamed
source who told me their all just pathetic ...

At least they might use the guest mode ...

IMO

[Emil El Zapato]

Clout. Some people are orgasmic about it and as u pointed some don’t give a shit. Myself I’m not impressed by climbers ever

[Fred Steeves]

I'm actually getting a lot more thanks over there than I do here. :(

Just for you big daddy. A present on Post # 497.:grin: